WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.040 --> 00:00:03.759 It's time to talks for It's time for the show. You hear this song 2 00:00:03.879 --> 00:00:21.559 on the radio fast, Let me get that potograph? Sports Talk Radio starting 3 00:00:21.600 --> 00:00:29.239 now. What's up everybody? And welcomed episode one hundred and ninety of let 4 00:00:29.280 --> 00:00:32.600 me get that potograph. My name, of course, is the d H 5 00:00:32.679 --> 00:00:36.840 and joining me in my awesome co host, Miss Fair Scott Rappapor. What's 6 00:00:36.960 --> 00:00:43.240 up, dude, dude, I'm just riding the Domingo Germaine train. Yea 7 00:00:44.520 --> 00:00:49.039 perfect tonight through a perfect game last night, and you know, cards are 8 00:00:49.079 --> 00:00:53.359 popping, and I'm sitting on a boatload of twenty seventeen Update and Chrome Update, 9 00:00:53.439 --> 00:00:58.240 which was one of the final years that it was not mass produced and 10 00:00:58.479 --> 00:01:03.920 like huge quantities, um so, and when you were up opening the most, 11 00:01:03.599 --> 00:01:07.040 well know that wasn't even the most. Twenty nineteen is when I was 12 00:01:07.079 --> 00:01:11.840 really probably um yeah, I've been riding with Gavin Williams train man. Uh 13 00:01:11.959 --> 00:01:15.079 my ecu alum there you go by the Guardians through a one hitter and a 14 00:01:15.280 --> 00:01:22.120 second uh second big league start. So not that I know, well, 15 00:01:22.280 --> 00:01:23.719 I mean, how long you think does Domingo Germaine thing is gonna last? 16 00:01:23.799 --> 00:01:26.519 It's probably gonna be like it's it's probably gonna be like a week. Yeah, 17 00:01:26.599 --> 00:01:30.319 and you know they we're gonna roll now. I think I have a 18 00:01:30.359 --> 00:01:34.680 gold paper, uh from update. I just don't know where it is. 19 00:01:34.079 --> 00:01:38.159 You better find it, well, yeah, because the problem is that's not 20 00:01:38.239 --> 00:01:41.439 one that I pulled aside, you know, at the time, and it's 21 00:01:41.439 --> 00:01:44.640 like crap. The way I see it is, I got like twelve hours 22 00:01:44.640 --> 00:01:48.159 to find it, yep about yeah, and if I don't find it by 23 00:01:48.200 --> 00:01:51.000 that, I'm like, I'm not even gonna bother looking. Yeah. I 24 00:01:51.000 --> 00:01:53.599 don't blame you. I don't blame you on that one. But welcome everybody 25 00:01:53.640 --> 00:01:57.079 to the show. We've got a jam jam Pack show for you today. 26 00:01:57.200 --> 00:02:01.159 A lot of interesting stuff going on in the hobby. But before we dive 27 00:02:01.200 --> 00:02:05.480 into it, man, I want to talk about something that really pissed me, 28 00:02:05.719 --> 00:02:10.759 like got on my nerve yesterday during a baseball game. So you're supposed 29 00:02:10.800 --> 00:02:14.719 to open that up with saying, I want to talk about something that really 30 00:02:14.759 --> 00:02:17.560 grinds my gears. Yeah, yeah, here's something that grinds my gears. 31 00:02:19.240 --> 00:02:22.280 All right. So I took you to a Hickory Crawdads game yesterday and this 32 00:02:22.360 --> 00:02:27.120 ties into a lot of how athlete to relate with collectors and people in the 33 00:02:27.159 --> 00:02:30.319 hobby, And it was a really odd situation. We were there getting autographs, 34 00:02:30.439 --> 00:02:35.680 tons of people signing everything like that. I got my picture taken with 35 00:02:35.759 --> 00:02:40.400 a couple of people. Everybody was acting really cool. Then Maximo Acosta comes 36 00:02:40.439 --> 00:02:46.680 strolling around the corner, the only person on Hickory outside of Kumar Rocker who's 37 00:02:46.680 --> 00:02:52.439 injured down there, that really is you know, he's got the potential. 38 00:02:52.479 --> 00:02:54.680 I mean, he's been up in the bigs before and has the potential to 39 00:02:54.759 --> 00:02:59.639 be there again. So obviously someone that a lot of people want his autograph 40 00:02:59.719 --> 00:03:04.159 of. There's maybe five of us there right, all autograph hounds, and 41 00:03:04.199 --> 00:03:09.719 then me and my son with a baseball. He walks one baseball, one 42 00:03:09.759 --> 00:03:13.919 baseball, one baseball. That's it. I didn't ask for anything myself, 43 00:03:14.000 --> 00:03:19.479 No, So he signs probably the four, you know autograph hounds who have 44 00:03:19.599 --> 00:03:24.159 binders, and you know, Big Tens signs about you know, about fifteen 45 00:03:24.240 --> 00:03:29.840 or twenty for all of them, signs tons of stuff for them. Walks 46 00:03:29.879 --> 00:03:32.680 straight up to Jude and you know, Jude puts his ball out, said 47 00:03:32.680 --> 00:03:36.520 get your autograph, says yeah, yeah, yeah, let me let me 48 00:03:36.560 --> 00:03:38.639 go, set my gear back down and I'll be right back, runs over, 49 00:03:39.360 --> 00:03:45.439 sets his gear down, walks back out to warm up, turn and 50 00:03:45.599 --> 00:03:50.520 waves to my son. Oh god. Yeah. Like dude, First of 51 00:03:50.560 --> 00:03:52.520 all, I'm just gonna say it right here. I know you're not listening 52 00:03:52.560 --> 00:03:55.759 to maximum, but fuck you. But like, just if you're gonna be 53 00:03:55.759 --> 00:04:00.520 a pro athlete, man, you get I don't know it so usually, 54 00:04:01.560 --> 00:04:03.639 So here's my thoughts on this. And a lot of guys do it the 55 00:04:03.719 --> 00:04:08.080 right way. The other guys that were the autograph hounds, were they adults 56 00:04:08.560 --> 00:04:11.719 all right? Yes, one was a teenager. All of the other adults 57 00:04:11.919 --> 00:04:14.800 all right. So here's here's what I've seen with a lot of athletes, 58 00:04:15.439 --> 00:04:17.879 Um, the good ones and what they do. Yeah, they will go 59 00:04:18.000 --> 00:04:23.680 to the youngest looking kid first sign this thing. So he should have gone 60 00:04:23.720 --> 00:04:28.839 straight to judee signed his ball, yeah, and then moved on to the 61 00:04:28.839 --> 00:04:32.199 teenager and then the adults and just going up and if there's time, you 62 00:04:32.199 --> 00:04:38.480 know, you just you know the as yeah exactly, that's that's the thing. 63 00:04:38.519 --> 00:04:41.720 You signed one thing for each and if there's time you can go back 64 00:04:41.720 --> 00:04:45.360 through the line or whatever and sign it again. Um, that's what the 65 00:04:45.399 --> 00:04:47.360 good guys do, right, that's what you see, you know, Mike 66 00:04:47.439 --> 00:04:51.439 Trout, Yeah, that's what he does. That's um. You know, 67 00:04:51.480 --> 00:04:54.720 you had a couple of the couple other guys that you had met, you 68 00:04:54.720 --> 00:04:57.560 know, yesterday and gotten pictures with it. I saw some cool stuff, 69 00:04:57.560 --> 00:05:00.800 including one of one of my boys, one of us right here in Chicago. 70 00:05:00.319 --> 00:05:05.680 He you know those guys, they'll start with the kids exactly, and 71 00:05:05.879 --> 00:05:11.040 that's that's the way to do it. Yeah. The walking back out and 72 00:05:11.079 --> 00:05:15.959 waving thing kind of like rubbing it in an eight year old's face was really 73 00:05:15.079 --> 00:05:19.160 like, I don't know, it just got me. And as an athlete, 74 00:05:19.199 --> 00:05:23.759 I think, you know, obviously autograph signings annoying and all that blah 75 00:05:23.800 --> 00:05:27.319 blah blah, but you're an athlete that comes with the territory and if you're 76 00:05:27.360 --> 00:05:30.399 going to sign some people take a second to sign a kid's ball, but 77 00:05:30.399 --> 00:05:32.959 don't rub it in his face or tell him you're gonna do something. Because 78 00:05:32.959 --> 00:05:36.000 he's sitting there all excited, you know, it's the big guy on the 79 00:05:36.120 --> 00:05:43.480 roster, and then he trolls him and my son was legitimately like hurt by 80 00:05:43.519 --> 00:05:45.839 that. I mean, he might as well have just gone out there instead 81 00:05:45.839 --> 00:05:48.240 of waving, just grabs crotch right going at him. That's basically the same 82 00:05:48.279 --> 00:05:51.439 thing. But here's the here's like, what is he doing on a High 83 00:05:51.480 --> 00:05:56.399 A team? That? Yeah, exactly, Maybe that's why it's so bitter. 84 00:05:56.839 --> 00:05:59.279 I'd be bitter too if i'd, you know, if i made the 85 00:05:59.279 --> 00:06:01.160 show and then all sudden, I've fallen so far down to High A and 86 00:06:01.199 --> 00:06:05.120 it's not and it's not a rehab assignment and was not one of the better 87 00:06:05.160 --> 00:06:11.879 players in a six two win, you know, Like I understand, Look, 88 00:06:11.879 --> 00:06:14.240 I understand some of the some of the guys they get sent down to 89 00:06:14.560 --> 00:06:18.519 like High A for rehab assignment due to like where the team is at the 90 00:06:18.519 --> 00:06:21.000 time, what the game schedule is, you know, and things like that. 91 00:06:21.000 --> 00:06:25.240 That's not to day, that's not the case. So and I don't 92 00:06:25.240 --> 00:06:29.120 I don't, you know, I don't hit those guys about old made You're 93 00:06:29.160 --> 00:06:30.720 all the way done High you know, huh huh. No, you're down 94 00:06:30.720 --> 00:06:33.319 there on a rehab assignment. You're gonna you know, play a couple of 95 00:06:33.319 --> 00:06:36.959 games and then you're going straight back to the big leagues. Yeah, obviously 96 00:06:38.000 --> 00:06:41.079 not the case here. No, Well, this dude's attitude just like his 97 00:06:41.199 --> 00:06:44.079 game. It's a piece of shit in my eyes. But anyway, just 98 00:06:44.199 --> 00:06:47.000 a little story I wanted to share yesterday, and a big fu to Maximo 99 00:06:47.120 --> 00:06:53.160 because just the wrong way to conduct yourself as a pro. And speaking of 100 00:06:53.199 --> 00:06:56.120 I'm gonna tell you though, Drew, speaking of big fus. Yes, 101 00:06:56.560 --> 00:07:00.560 there's one guy out there who has got a giant fu to Panini. Who's 102 00:07:00.600 --> 00:07:05.160 that? That is the guy that originally paid a ridiculous amount of money from 103 00:07:05.160 --> 00:07:12.360 the twenty eighteen National Treasures Horizontal Shield auto of Lamar Jackson. Oh my god, 104 00:07:12.600 --> 00:07:15.759 the one of one, Yes, the one of one. Oh sorry, 105 00:07:15.800 --> 00:07:18.000 let me rephrase that, the one of two. Yeah, well yeah, 106 00:07:18.120 --> 00:07:23.920 now it's a one of two. Yes, absolutely insane guys, if 107 00:07:23.920 --> 00:07:29.639 you've not heard um, like Scott just said, this card was sold. 108 00:07:29.800 --> 00:07:33.600 It's already been graded BGS eight point five, I believe, and sold on 109 00:07:33.639 --> 00:07:41.279 the PWCC marketplace. Yet this week pull bangers pulled it out of a box, 110 00:07:43.079 --> 00:07:46.439 pulled another one out of a box. All right, So I don't 111 00:07:46.439 --> 00:07:48.959 even know. Here's my thought. I took a look at the pictures of 112 00:07:49.000 --> 00:07:55.720 both cards, and you can tell that they are two completely different cards. 113 00:07:55.800 --> 00:07:58.720 Oh, absolutely there's no, there's no question. You look at the alignment 114 00:07:58.759 --> 00:08:03.800 on the shields. Yeah, it's all they are. They are two separate 115 00:08:03.839 --> 00:08:07.079 cards. Yep. So what I think happened, and I'm gonna give, 116 00:08:07.360 --> 00:08:11.240 I'll give at this point, I'm gonnaive Panini the benefit them down on one, 117 00:08:11.240 --> 00:08:13.759 I think. But we all know the Panini makes duplicate cards of a 118 00:08:13.800 --> 00:08:18.120 lot of those high value cards. In the case that one gets damaged and 119 00:08:18.160 --> 00:08:22.360 they, you know, they can they can then apply the one of one's 120 00:08:22.360 --> 00:08:26.439 stamp to it and replace the card that that's there. And if for some 121 00:08:26.519 --> 00:08:31.680 reason they do not have to replace that card, usually that gets a white 122 00:08:31.680 --> 00:08:33.679 box one of one sticker or a black box one of one sticker, and 123 00:08:33.679 --> 00:08:37.159 it goes in the black box or a white box. Fine, no issues 124 00:08:37.200 --> 00:08:43.200 with that. Somewhere along the line, though, the second backup copy must 125 00:08:43.200 --> 00:08:48.759 have gotten the real one of one's stamp and made its way into the product, 126 00:08:48.759 --> 00:08:50.639 because I don't think you know, my initial thought was, holy crap, 127 00:08:50.679 --> 00:08:54.000 somebody cracked this out, put it into a resealed box or whatever, 128 00:08:54.639 --> 00:08:58.240 you know, But it's not. It's two completely separate cards. And you 129 00:08:58.279 --> 00:09:00.639 can tell by looking at you know, if you compare are the two images. 130 00:09:00.639 --> 00:09:03.519 They're two completely separate cards. But the question is why would anybody crack 131 00:09:03.919 --> 00:09:09.440 an eight five look eight five on a National Treasure's card, especially from twenty 132 00:09:09.480 --> 00:09:15.039 eighteen. Is Yes, that is it actually had some strong subgrades too, 133 00:09:15.320 --> 00:09:20.159 and once again that's why it's created by BGS as well, those thicker cards. 134 00:09:20.679 --> 00:09:22.039 Getting an eight five on it, I'd be I'd be happy as hell. 135 00:09:22.559 --> 00:09:28.159 Yes, it's rarer to get that nine to five from you know, 136 00:09:28.200 --> 00:09:31.320 from BGS on the on the thicker stuff, especially hand packed, so your 137 00:09:31.399 --> 00:09:35.840 premium, especially on NT. Yeah, but my question is how did this 138 00:09:35.919 --> 00:09:43.519 happen? Oh, especially in this is very important for listeners that maybe don't 139 00:09:43.600 --> 00:09:48.120 understand the box out process of cards. This is one one of only a 140 00:09:48.159 --> 00:09:54.120 couple of products that's also hand collated. Right, This isn't a collating machine. 141 00:09:54.399 --> 00:10:00.519 This isn't where something was dumped twice accidentally. These are hand packed here. 142 00:10:00.679 --> 00:10:03.519 We're not talking about the regular standard machine type of stuff. This is 143 00:10:03.639 --> 00:10:09.879 human. This is actual human beings watching over this being done and it still 144 00:10:09.000 --> 00:10:13.159 happens. Yeah, And I'm trying to figure out how they let that happen 145 00:10:13.559 --> 00:10:16.759 because it's such a big card. It was not like Lamar Jackson in twenty 146 00:10:16.759 --> 00:10:22.039 eighteen was a nobody you knew when when you had your one of one NT 147 00:10:22.240 --> 00:10:24.759 shields that you were hand packing into boxes. This is one of the ones 148 00:10:24.840 --> 00:10:28.960 that was top of your list. Yeah, I mean, let's be honest, 149 00:10:28.080 --> 00:10:31.519 it's not like it's not like it would have been in twenty seventeen with 150 00:10:31.600 --> 00:10:37.200 Patrick Mahomes right where you know, he didn't play the entire season, so 151 00:10:37.639 --> 00:10:39.480 you didn't know, you know, yeah he was a first round pick, 152 00:10:39.519 --> 00:10:43.039 but it's still one of yeah you didn't you didn't know because he didn't play, 153 00:10:43.240 --> 00:10:48.120 So okay, that's fine, you know that whatever, nobody's paying attention 154 00:10:48.120 --> 00:10:50.159 to it. But in this case, Lamar Jackson was one of the biggest 155 00:10:50.240 --> 00:10:54.879 names in the freaking product for the entire season. Yes, and this is 156 00:10:54.919 --> 00:11:00.960 one of his biggest rookies period. Yeah, there's this and this and Flawless. 157 00:11:01.360 --> 00:11:03.399 Yeah, you know those are the two big ones, right, So 158 00:11:05.320 --> 00:11:09.320 it boggles the mind. And this, Look, this isn't a recent mistake. 159 00:11:09.759 --> 00:11:13.039 This isn't something that you know, or we'll do to you know, 160 00:11:13.240 --> 00:11:16.440 not hiring good people or not having good staff or anything like that. We're 161 00:11:16.440 --> 00:11:20.720 talking about. This is something that happened in twenty eighteen. Yeah, it's 162 00:11:20.799 --> 00:11:24.799 pre pandemic. You know, Staffing levels were fine, everything, you know, 163 00:11:24.919 --> 00:11:26.720 production was fine. There were no delays, there were no hurries to 164 00:11:26.720 --> 00:11:31.559 get out product or anything like that. They were This is when they were 165 00:11:31.559 --> 00:11:35.879 in the middle of really there the beginning of their most thriving period before it 166 00:11:35.919 --> 00:11:41.559 got out of control. Yeah, exactly. So my question is due to 167 00:11:41.639 --> 00:11:46.159 the fact that the guy you know who bought the BGS eight five paid a 168 00:11:46.279 --> 00:11:50.679 ridiculous amount of money for it, and now there is a second copy out, 169 00:11:50.559 --> 00:11:54.720 what is Panini gonna do to make it right with the guy who had 170 00:11:54.759 --> 00:11:58.840 the original one of one? And obviously we you know, you can always 171 00:11:58.960 --> 00:12:01.240 we will always know which one was the original, of course, but the 172 00:12:01.279 --> 00:12:07.519 reality is this box that just got opened could very easily have been opened in 173 00:12:07.600 --> 00:12:11.279 twenty eighteen, and this could have been the first one, right, Yeah, 174 00:12:11.320 --> 00:12:15.360 you know, it's all chance. Yep, you know, it's it's 175 00:12:15.399 --> 00:12:18.600 just luck as to who opens what and when and where it goes. And 176 00:12:18.639 --> 00:12:20.399 we don't know that, you know, we don't know the history of the 177 00:12:20.399 --> 00:12:22.960 case that it came out of, and you know where it was sitting for 178 00:12:24.159 --> 00:12:26.639 you know, for five years. But it just with a card like that, 179 00:12:26.879 --> 00:12:31.759 especially the one of ones. Yes, I could see it. You 180 00:12:31.759 --> 00:12:33.960 know, Hey, there's a duplicate of you know, one of the ones 181 00:12:33.960 --> 00:12:35.600 out of forty nine or whatever. It's not going to watch as much. 182 00:12:35.639 --> 00:12:41.480 But this is the This is was probably the biggest card out of that entire 183 00:12:41.559 --> 00:12:45.879 product that year, because I don't I don't remember any rookies bigger than Lamar 184 00:12:45.960 --> 00:12:48.519 Jackson in twenty eighteen at the time. I really don't think so. I 185 00:12:48.559 --> 00:12:52.039 mean, he was being compared to I mean, really what he is Cam 186 00:12:52.039 --> 00:12:56.000 Newton, but a whole lot better, you know, and like he had 187 00:12:56.039 --> 00:12:58.559 all the hype in the world. That's what I'm saying. This card, 188 00:12:58.279 --> 00:13:03.919 you would think, of all the stuff in the hand collating area, this 189 00:13:03.039 --> 00:13:07.519 is the one that's being paid most attention to, if well. But I 190 00:13:07.559 --> 00:13:11.919 also want to know how the backup copy even got into the stamping machine, 191 00:13:11.919 --> 00:13:16.600 because that's right that they should have waited. Yeah, like they do with 192 00:13:16.639 --> 00:13:20.679 all the other ones. They sit there, unnumbered, unstamped, and wait 193 00:13:20.919 --> 00:13:24.399 until it either until the you know, the one that's in the product has 194 00:13:24.440 --> 00:13:28.840 to get replaced, or they slap that white box sticker on it and use 195 00:13:28.919 --> 00:13:33.559 it as a you know, as a white box card. Yeah, well, 196 00:13:33.600 --> 00:13:37.679 you know, you nailed one thing big time, and that's that Pannini 197 00:13:37.799 --> 00:13:43.200 needs to do something for the person who you know, initially paid all this 198 00:13:43.240 --> 00:13:46.879 money for this card. And they also need to start addressing this stuff. 199 00:13:46.919 --> 00:13:52.480 Look, these companies get away with these issues and they never address them anymore. 200 00:13:52.480 --> 00:13:54.840 And recently, you know, this week, there's been a lot of 201 00:13:54.879 --> 00:14:01.759 talk on buy some influencers and some other videos about Obvious with the ESPN article 202 00:14:01.000 --> 00:14:05.519 on breaking and everything, there's been a lot of talk on regulation and oversight 203 00:14:05.639 --> 00:14:11.080 and all this type of stuff in the industry. This is we let these 204 00:14:11.120 --> 00:14:13.919 companies get away with this stuff too much. Now, do I think this 205 00:14:13.000 --> 00:14:18.919 is some terrible thing on Panini's you know part that they did maliciously blah blah, 206 00:14:18.919 --> 00:14:22.080 and it makes them a bad company. Of course not. But you 207 00:14:22.159 --> 00:14:26.240 need to address the mistakes. You need to fix the mistakes as best you 208 00:14:26.279 --> 00:14:30.799 can, and you need to explain to people how they can make sure that 209 00:14:30.879 --> 00:14:35.080 this doesn't happen again. Now, obviously this was twenty eighteen, so it's 210 00:14:35.120 --> 00:14:39.639 a long time ago, and it's easy to say we've already made these improvements, 211 00:14:39.080 --> 00:14:43.039 but you know, I think we let these companies get away with Oh 212 00:14:43.080 --> 00:14:46.279 they fucked up again, you know. But here's the other thing. I 213 00:14:46.279 --> 00:14:48.919 think this is going to be the telling fact on how it plays out, 214 00:14:50.320 --> 00:14:54.159 especially for the guy that bought the eight five. There is a friend of 215 00:14:54.159 --> 00:14:56.360 ours who I'm not going to name because I know he wants to keep it 216 00:14:56.399 --> 00:15:01.159 private, who is in the middle of a lawsuit with Panini over a Panini 217 00:15:01.360 --> 00:15:07.440 Honors car, yes by the Brady, that he paid a six figure sum 218 00:15:07.600 --> 00:15:13.679 for because it was the Honors one of one contenders lawsuit on this show, 219 00:15:13.840 --> 00:15:18.679 right, and that is still playing out, and that is a situation. 220 00:15:18.759 --> 00:15:22.399 It turned out the card had been trimmed, yes, even though Panini cracked 221 00:15:22.399 --> 00:15:26.080 it out of an eight five bgs slab and look, they missed it. 222 00:15:26.080 --> 00:15:30.000 It happens. Yeah, it was greated a long time ago. It wasn't 223 00:15:30.000 --> 00:15:31.320 like a recent thing. They bought it back, cracked it out of the 224 00:15:31.320 --> 00:15:33.480 slab, put it into one touch to put in the product, and it 225 00:15:33.559 --> 00:15:39.159 turned out to be trimmed. Now, depending on how that lawsuit plays out. 226 00:15:39.480 --> 00:15:41.039 And I'm gonna have to get an update on that because I have not 227 00:15:41.159 --> 00:15:43.639 asked this friend about this in a long time. I want to see how 228 00:15:43.639 --> 00:15:48.519 this plays out, because that is going to set a precedent as far as 229 00:15:48.000 --> 00:15:54.480 Panini compensating somebody for their mistake. Ye, and that you know that right 230 00:15:54.519 --> 00:15:58.799 there will either open the door for the guy who bought the eight five to 231 00:15:58.799 --> 00:16:03.440 go after Panini for a chunk of money, or it'll close the door on 232 00:16:03.480 --> 00:16:07.399 that person being able to go after Panini for that chunk of money. But 233 00:16:07.440 --> 00:16:11.559 this, this is not a situation because that that lawsuit, it was cracked 234 00:16:11.559 --> 00:16:15.320 out of an eight five slab, so it really wasn't Panini's fault that it 235 00:16:15.360 --> 00:16:22.879 was trimmed. Right. However, this issue is one Panini was one avoidable 236 00:16:22.279 --> 00:16:26.679 and we shouldn't we shouldn't even be having this conversation because it never should have 237 00:16:26.679 --> 00:16:33.480 happened. I absolutely agree, and it's unfortunate that this did happen, especially 238 00:16:33.559 --> 00:16:38.120 with such, like I said, such an important card and one of the 239 00:16:38.159 --> 00:16:45.360 biggest cards out there for twenty eighteen now apparently has two. Yeah, it's 240 00:16:45.360 --> 00:16:48.879 a one of two. Yeah, So we'll see what happens. We'll keep 241 00:16:48.919 --> 00:16:52.559 tracking that one and uh, you know, kind of go down that road. 242 00:16:52.799 --> 00:16:56.159 We'll get you some updates when you know, when they become available on 243 00:16:56.200 --> 00:17:02.960 it but drew speaking of speaking illegal. Yes, So a couple of big 244 00:17:03.000 --> 00:17:07.799 things popped in the last week or so. And this does not involve Panini, 245 00:17:07.279 --> 00:17:14.160 No, No, involves Tops and Fanatics. Joe Fanatics decided that they 246 00:17:14.160 --> 00:17:19.880 were going to revamp the dealer program for stores, and they sent out a 247 00:17:19.880 --> 00:17:23.599 new dealer agreement. And you know, I was able to get a copy 248 00:17:23.599 --> 00:17:27.119 of that from somebody, and it's long, and it's full of legal jargon, 249 00:17:27.200 --> 00:17:30.240 and it's full of a lot of confusing things, and it's also full 250 00:17:30.240 --> 00:17:36.559 of weird things that contradict themselves in the same freaking paragraph, like the one 251 00:17:36.599 --> 00:17:42.039 about how you know, Tops Fanatics reserve you know, will tell you what 252 00:17:42.160 --> 00:17:48.519 prices to sell the products at and for the MSRP and then like you must 253 00:17:48.559 --> 00:17:52.440 stick to that and not sell below it. But then further down in that 254 00:17:52.480 --> 00:17:56.920 same paragraph, it says, well, you can set whatever price you want 255 00:17:56.000 --> 00:17:59.720 on it, yeah, based on It's like it's like, okay, wait 256 00:17:59.759 --> 00:18:04.000 a minute, um, something's yeah, something doesn't seem right. YEAHPT confused 257 00:18:04.079 --> 00:18:07.920 on that one, yeah, um. And that that's one of those things. 258 00:18:07.960 --> 00:18:11.359 But the biggest, biggest thing, the biggest issue that anybody ever had, 259 00:18:11.759 --> 00:18:15.680 and it's not it's not the fact that the dealer agreement requires a dedicated 260 00:18:15.759 --> 00:18:21.759 Tops section in the store. Yeah, so like all the stores that usually 261 00:18:21.799 --> 00:18:26.240 separate by sport, yeah, you know, now have to set you know, 262 00:18:26.319 --> 00:18:29.839 now if if that's still going to be in there, have to separate 263 00:18:29.920 --> 00:18:33.079 by tops, you know, by the manufacturers, which do you know, 264 00:18:33.079 --> 00:18:37.279 don't get me wrong, you can separate because tops to you know, it's 265 00:18:37.279 --> 00:18:38.960 baseball, you know, and then you know, some soccer and you know, 266 00:18:40.000 --> 00:18:42.160 things like that. So there's a way to do it. Tops isn't 267 00:18:42.200 --> 00:18:45.519 really doing football, they're not really doing basketball, Panini is not doing a 268 00:18:45.599 --> 00:18:48.720 lot of the other So there's a way to do it so that one's not 269 00:18:48.759 --> 00:18:52.839 as big. But the biggest one is that the initial version of the agreement 270 00:18:52.000 --> 00:19:00.079 did not allow stores to break product and sell spots in the break online. 271 00:19:00.559 --> 00:19:07.359 Yeah, they were restricted to selling spots in their breaks for people that walk 272 00:19:07.400 --> 00:19:14.599 in the door and that's it and the sales nothing. Yeah. Um, 273 00:19:14.640 --> 00:19:21.440 they're also they're also restricting selling to other dealers, which I don't know how 274 00:19:21.839 --> 00:19:26.240 the big and maybe maybe the big distributors have a set have a separate agreement. 275 00:19:26.319 --> 00:19:29.720 Maybe you know, blowout. David Adams, uh, Steel City, 276 00:19:29.880 --> 00:19:33.000 Chicagoland. You know those guys. Maybe they have a completely separate agreement. 277 00:19:33.160 --> 00:19:38.799 But I got a note yesterday from the guy that sent me the copy of 278 00:19:38.839 --> 00:19:45.200 the agreement, right and he said he was currently on a call with Topsy 279 00:19:45.440 --> 00:19:51.279 and they are making changes to the breaking section of the agreement and they are 280 00:19:51.359 --> 00:19:56.680 now after bad because of the backlash. They're now going to allow stores to 281 00:19:56.720 --> 00:20:00.519 sell spots and breaks on their own platform, whether it's you know, could 282 00:20:00.519 --> 00:20:04.160 be Facebook, it could be their website to you know, we'll see when 283 00:20:04.200 --> 00:20:08.160 I when it's funny you mentioned that and they're going back on that because I 284 00:20:08.200 --> 00:20:11.039 think that the reason that they put that in there, and they made this 285 00:20:11.119 --> 00:20:15.160 stuff so strict, which was absurd, by the way, if you've not 286 00:20:15.240 --> 00:20:21.160 read this contract, some of the caveats and little things in there just hilarious 287 00:20:21.240 --> 00:20:25.440 to me. But I thought this was definitely a ploy to Okay, you 288 00:20:25.440 --> 00:20:27.319 can either choose to break this way, or you can sign up for our 289 00:20:27.359 --> 00:20:30.759 new breaking platform, you know, and then if you want to sell it 290 00:20:30.799 --> 00:20:36.559 online, then you can sell it through the Fanatics breaking platform that they're going 291 00:20:36.599 --> 00:20:40.880 to have. Because well, but I didn't see any I didn't see any 292 00:20:40.960 --> 00:20:47.160 language in there that allowed them to even use the Fanatics breaking platform. Well, 293 00:20:47.160 --> 00:20:48.799 I didn't either, and I think that's why that this was a way 294 00:20:48.799 --> 00:20:52.519 for them to probably say, Okay, if you're a store, you can 295 00:20:52.559 --> 00:20:56.519 either host them in store or you can host them on here. And that's 296 00:20:56.519 --> 00:21:00.839 pretty much like an ultimatum form without writing. Well but they yeah, but 297 00:21:00.839 --> 00:21:03.640 they didn't put it in the in the writing. They just they restricted it 298 00:21:03.759 --> 00:21:07.359 period. And I know that. Look, there's a lot of the large 299 00:21:07.440 --> 00:21:12.759 breakers out there that are both a store and a monster, you know, 300 00:21:12.759 --> 00:21:17.480 and then like a huge break, you know, huge breaking Layton. Layton's 301 00:21:17.480 --> 00:21:19.680 got a store and he you know, and he's a huge breaker, monster 302 00:21:21.119 --> 00:21:25.200 monster breaks. They have a huge store and they're also a large breaker Badger 303 00:21:25.240 --> 00:21:32.039 breaks, same thing. So how would it affect those guys? And what 304 00:21:32.079 --> 00:21:38.359 I haven't seen was do they have a separate agreement for breakers right which I 305 00:21:38.400 --> 00:21:41.240 haven't seen. I haven't. I haven't either. If they do, I've 306 00:21:41.319 --> 00:21:45.480 not seen it or heard a break or talk about it at this moment. 307 00:21:45.599 --> 00:21:48.359 No, And uh, I will say that I have not done my due 308 00:21:48.400 --> 00:21:52.000 diligence and reached out to some of the larger breakers that I know to ask, 309 00:21:52.240 --> 00:21:56.119 I will yea. But yeah, I think it's all going to be 310 00:21:56.160 --> 00:21:59.319 it's it sounds like it's all going to be changing. It sounds like it 311 00:21:59.519 --> 00:22:03.440 that what the terms that they put out this week, sounds like they're going 312 00:22:03.480 --> 00:22:07.079 to be putting some out next week that they're going to be updated, And 313 00:22:07.279 --> 00:22:10.759 it's going to be interesting to see what they update, if you know, 314 00:22:11.000 --> 00:22:15.119 if it's more than just being able to host your own breaks, and how 315 00:22:15.160 --> 00:22:18.400 many restrictions are they going to put on that, you know, how much 316 00:22:18.440 --> 00:22:22.400 control are they going to try and have over it when they pretty much just 317 00:22:22.440 --> 00:22:26.480 put out a terms of service where they controlled it almost to the t. 318 00:22:26.920 --> 00:22:30.039 Well, I think they're gonna put out as much control as they you know, 319 00:22:30.519 --> 00:22:33.960 they're going to try to control it as much as they think that they 320 00:22:33.039 --> 00:22:37.039 can, right, you know, the whole you know, the whole aspect 321 00:22:37.079 --> 00:22:41.920 of it is they're they're trying to control as much of the market as humanly 322 00:22:41.960 --> 00:22:47.440 possible. Yeah, and this was this was one of those things like launch 323 00:22:47.480 --> 00:22:52.079 your own breaking platform. Cool, got that, but at some point you 324 00:22:52.200 --> 00:22:56.160 have to let the market decide, you know, kind of what's going on. 325 00:22:56.759 --> 00:23:00.960 If people want to you know, use that platform. Fine, if 326 00:23:00.000 --> 00:23:03.599 people want to continue, you know, working with the other breakers on all 327 00:23:03.599 --> 00:23:07.960 the other platforms and you know things like that, fine, Yeah, if 328 00:23:07.960 --> 00:23:11.519 you want to you know, run promotions to you know, promote your platform 329 00:23:11.640 --> 00:23:14.960 instead of others and try to draw people in and things like that. Okay, 330 00:23:14.960 --> 00:23:17.279 cool, that's your product. You can do whatever you want. Yeah. 331 00:23:17.319 --> 00:23:21.839 If you want to sell spots and breaks for cheaper than the competition, 332 00:23:21.920 --> 00:23:26.279 because you're dealing with the wholesale cost, I'm sorry, let me rephrase that 333 00:23:26.319 --> 00:23:30.039 the manufacturing costs, not even the wholesale cost. So in theory, the 334 00:23:30.079 --> 00:23:33.480 product is cheaper for you than it is for everybody else, and you want 335 00:23:33.480 --> 00:23:36.640 to take advantage. Okay, that's fine. You make the cards, you've 336 00:23:36.640 --> 00:23:40.359 got the contracts, but you still have to let the market decide what they 337 00:23:40.400 --> 00:23:44.039 want to do. Yeah, definitely, And you know they say that they 338 00:23:44.079 --> 00:23:48.119 want to they're going to start these advertising campaigns and bringing more people than effort 339 00:23:48.119 --> 00:23:52.359 into the hobby and things like that. Well, in order to do that, 340 00:23:52.480 --> 00:23:55.400 and in order to be successful at that, you have to let the 341 00:23:55.519 --> 00:23:59.480 market have some freedom, you know what I mean. Yeah, if you 342 00:23:59.599 --> 00:24:03.079 try and tight knit control it so much, then no matter how much advertising, 343 00:24:03.119 --> 00:24:07.920 marketing promotion you do, if it's not exactly what people like, they're 344 00:24:07.960 --> 00:24:11.680 gonna walk away. You're giving them one option as opposed to hundreds, and 345 00:24:11.720 --> 00:24:18.599 so the exact marketing is completely counterintuitive to what you're trying to produce. It 346 00:24:18.599 --> 00:24:22.240 just makes no sense to me. No, exactly. Now, there is 347 00:24:22.279 --> 00:24:26.400 there's one part in there that doesn't make sense. And they have the if 348 00:24:26.400 --> 00:24:30.160 you violate you know, any terms conditions, they can't sue you, they 349 00:24:30.160 --> 00:24:32.160 can't come after you and like that. But what they can do is pull 350 00:24:32.200 --> 00:24:34.599 your agreements. Yep, and you don't have access to direct product anymore. 351 00:24:36.000 --> 00:24:41.279 Now, in a lot of cases, I don't like that, but in 352 00:24:41.319 --> 00:24:44.680 some cases I do because there's a Look, it's when it comes to breakers. 353 00:24:45.160 --> 00:24:48.200 There's a lot of shady guys out there. Oh yeah, that you 354 00:24:48.559 --> 00:24:51.160 pulled you know some crap. You know, don't send a card that's a 355 00:24:51.200 --> 00:24:55.079 big value card. You know, you're you know, you obviously got caught 356 00:24:55.119 --> 00:24:57.559 on videos swapping you know something back and forth or whatever. Now there's a 357 00:24:57.559 --> 00:25:03.319 mechanism to pull yeah products, yes, which is fine, which is great 358 00:25:03.480 --> 00:25:07.319 because if we can eliminate Look, there's a lot of really really good solid 359 00:25:07.400 --> 00:25:11.519 breakers out there. Yeah, guys that have been doing this for a long 360 00:25:11.559 --> 00:25:15.880 time. Even some of the newer guys are really good. But there's there's 361 00:25:15.000 --> 00:25:21.519 enough shady bastards out there that, you know, given something can finally be 362 00:25:21.559 --> 00:25:25.960 done about it. Yeah, exactly. So that's that's the one thing that 363 00:25:26.000 --> 00:25:29.559 I like about this, YEP, is that you know, fanatics will now 364 00:25:29.559 --> 00:25:32.759 have the power to, you know, tell the guys that are scamming people 365 00:25:32.880 --> 00:25:36.799 or you know, swapping cards out being really shady that hey, sorry, 366 00:25:36.960 --> 00:25:38.920 you're not getting product from us anymore. No. I do like that, 367 00:25:40.039 --> 00:25:42.759 And you know, like I said, I have a feeling we'll see you 368 00:25:42.799 --> 00:25:47.839 know, and updated terms and services here very soon, at least from what 369 00:25:47.880 --> 00:25:52.240 it sounds like talking to you. It'll be interesting to see what those exactly 370 00:25:52.480 --> 00:25:59.240 are. But Tops definitely uh putting out some interesting new terms that are that 371 00:25:59.519 --> 00:26:03.000 definitely got a lot of people angry when they dropped them. We'll see how 372 00:26:03.039 --> 00:26:07.599 the update goes. But speaking of breaking and products that are going to be 373 00:26:07.640 --> 00:26:12.920 broken a lot soon, Scott, we've got a big release that we finally 374 00:26:12.960 --> 00:26:18.400 got the cell sheet and got the announcement for and talk about disappointment. Tops 375 00:26:18.480 --> 00:26:25.359 Chrome yep, swinging a miss. Yeah, so big changes the tops Chrome 376 00:26:25.440 --> 00:26:29.440 this year, so in pay in the past, Tops Chrome has always been 377 00:26:29.559 --> 00:26:33.319 two autos in the hobby boxes, five autos and the jumbos yep. Simple 378 00:26:34.000 --> 00:26:37.960 Bowman has always been one auto in the hobby box and three autos in the 379 00:26:38.000 --> 00:26:41.400 jumbos, and then in the case of a super Jumbo, obviously there's five. 380 00:26:41.799 --> 00:26:47.799 But they made the change the tops Chrome. It's now going to be 381 00:26:47.920 --> 00:26:52.200 one auto in a hobby box and three autos in the trouble box. So 382 00:26:52.519 --> 00:26:57.000 aside from the disappointment of probably spending the same amount of money on a box, 383 00:26:57.319 --> 00:27:00.200 if not more, you know, because depending on who's going to be 384 00:27:00.240 --> 00:27:03.599 in it, it's actually a decent rookie class. This year you are getting 385 00:27:03.759 --> 00:27:07.720 two less autos in a jumbo, one less auto in a hobby box. 386 00:27:07.640 --> 00:27:12.279 And not to mention if there's a repeat of last year where certain kurds forget 387 00:27:12.319 --> 00:27:15.799 to be you know, put in the product and you know they have to 388 00:27:15.839 --> 00:27:18.960 make up for it with things like silver packs because but forget about that, 389 00:27:18.960 --> 00:27:23.480 because that hasn't happened yet. But this tells me a lot, Yeah, 390 00:27:23.519 --> 00:27:30.119 this tells me a lot. Yeah. And what this tells me, is 391 00:27:30.240 --> 00:27:36.079 that they are significantly overprinting products. Oh yes, because I don't think the 392 00:27:36.119 --> 00:27:37.799 athletes are saying, oh, well, hey, we want to double our 393 00:27:37.839 --> 00:27:41.599 print runs and so we need twice as many autographs out of you guys, 394 00:27:42.200 --> 00:27:45.400 right yeah, yeah, No, I can't see the guys agreeing to that. 395 00:27:47.160 --> 00:27:51.519 So instead we're just going to cut down on the number of autographs that 396 00:27:51.559 --> 00:27:55.960 we put in the products. And they're probably going to put veterans in again 397 00:27:56.000 --> 00:27:59.559 this year too. Yeah. Now here's the thing. So I would have 398 00:27:59.640 --> 00:28:03.240 been okay with veteran autos being in the twenty twenty one product because that was 399 00:28:03.279 --> 00:28:07.160 a that was a terrible rookie class, right, yeah, But twenty twenty 400 00:28:07.160 --> 00:28:12.599 two was good enough, right where you didn't really need it. No unless 401 00:28:12.720 --> 00:28:17.599 look, unless, of course the veterans you were throwing in there are trout 402 00:28:17.880 --> 00:28:22.359 Jeter, you know, which was not the case. No, not the 403 00:28:22.440 --> 00:28:27.400 case. Um, although I did hit a really nice orange Casey Mize auto. 404 00:28:27.920 --> 00:28:33.200 No, No, not even not even remotely cool. Yeah, but 405 00:28:33.240 --> 00:28:37.319 it's you know, I'm saying that sarcastically. Yeah, but it's just like 406 00:28:37.400 --> 00:28:41.000 it's swells, like, guys, come on, I know, especially with 407 00:28:41.079 --> 00:28:47.440 something that's a staple like tops Chrome. Um, you that's the one product. 408 00:28:47.519 --> 00:28:51.640 And and I kind of had hope when you saw Sapphire this year they 409 00:28:51.640 --> 00:28:53.640 cut the print run, you know, and made it to where you were 410 00:28:53.680 --> 00:28:57.720 getting more autos and more color per boxes and things like that. I was 411 00:28:57.839 --> 00:29:02.480 kind of getting the idea that maybe they figured out that, yeah, we 412 00:29:02.559 --> 00:29:06.720 can mass produce the Series one, the Series two, maybe make Inception a 413 00:29:06.759 --> 00:29:08.720 little bigger, maybe make some of these other products a little bigger, but 414 00:29:08.759 --> 00:29:12.759 some of the staples, maybe they were going to pull back a little bit 415 00:29:12.799 --> 00:29:18.400 on to kind of preserve that legacy and that strength and the value of that 416 00:29:18.480 --> 00:29:23.920 product. But absolutely not with a showing like this. And I haven't even 417 00:29:23.960 --> 00:29:26.920 got to my favorite part of the set yet, which I'm saving till the 418 00:29:27.039 --> 00:29:33.920 end. But no, absolutely, just ridiculous going down to one auto, 419 00:29:33.079 --> 00:29:37.599 especially when the box price is going to be at least what it was last 420 00:29:37.680 --> 00:29:41.799 year, if not quite a bit more. Yeah, exactly. Now. 421 00:29:41.799 --> 00:29:44.079 The good news is, if you like last year's product, the prices have 422 00:29:44.160 --> 00:29:45.480 come down, yes, quite a bit, And there's still a ton of 423 00:29:45.480 --> 00:29:48.359 it's sitting out there, and a lot of hobby shops that sold the silver 424 00:29:48.400 --> 00:29:52.559 packs left and things like that, so they did do. They are bringing 425 00:29:52.599 --> 00:29:56.440 back the MVP program too, which I think is cool. So it gives 426 00:29:56.440 --> 00:30:02.359 people keep your base cards everybody because whoever or gets announced MVP, they're going 427 00:30:02.400 --> 00:30:07.119 to do the MVP buyback program again. And I do like one thing that 428 00:30:07.160 --> 00:30:11.960 they're doing this year with it. And they took five of the cards that 429 00:30:11.039 --> 00:30:17.119 were bought back from the hobby shops and they had Judge and Goldschmidt sign them 430 00:30:17.319 --> 00:30:22.400 and they're putting those in this year's set. Hopefully hopefully it was the Hopefully 431 00:30:22.400 --> 00:30:26.480 it was the five lower numbered color auto I hope instead of instead of just 432 00:30:26.559 --> 00:30:30.920 five bas cards because that would suck. That would but it's still pretty cool 433 00:30:32.000 --> 00:30:34.160 to see him do something with it. I hope they do more than that, 434 00:30:34.279 --> 00:30:37.279 because they said they were going to be doing some really cool things with 435 00:30:37.319 --> 00:30:41.880 those cards. I still say, hire Tim Carroll to make an awesome piece 436 00:30:41.960 --> 00:30:45.440 out of them with those but you know that's just me trying to get my 437 00:30:45.519 --> 00:30:51.000 man Tim some cool work. But they are bringing back the MVP program, 438 00:30:51.039 --> 00:30:55.359 but yeah, dropping the autographs, man, you're there. They're already doing 439 00:30:55.400 --> 00:31:00.839 it with Cosmic and Sonic and all these ridiculous offshoots. I was cool with 440 00:31:00.920 --> 00:31:07.680 sapphire, but the solution of the chrome brand is it's saddening to me because 441 00:31:07.200 --> 00:31:12.599 my favorite thing since it's been invented, since nineteen ninety six, football like 442 00:31:12.799 --> 00:31:18.160 tops, chrome has been my thing. I love it, everybody loves everybody 443 00:31:18.200 --> 00:31:22.880 loves chrome. Yeah, and I just I hate seeing the delution of it. 444 00:31:22.920 --> 00:31:26.079 But there is one thing I do have to say before we move on 445 00:31:26.160 --> 00:31:30.480 from this mess right here, that I cannot well, I can wait to 446 00:31:30.519 --> 00:31:38.359 see a fucking taco fractor. Bro Ide. I saw that the fractor. 447 00:31:38.480 --> 00:31:42.599 This is not Panini with emojis no, or the toilet paper or what do 448 00:31:42.640 --> 00:31:47.000 they what do they call the toilet paper or the crisis, something like the 449 00:31:47.079 --> 00:31:51.839 taco fractor. Oh my god, I don't know what to think about that. 450 00:31:52.440 --> 00:31:56.680 Me neither me neither. Now the thing is is not listed on the 451 00:31:56.759 --> 00:32:01.720 regular parallels list. There's all the parallels, and then they say there is 452 00:32:01.799 --> 00:32:08.640 also a new Taco fractor number to five. So maybe no information, no 453 00:32:08.680 --> 00:32:10.640 photo, no information, no no, no, not get that. But 454 00:32:10.759 --> 00:32:16.559 maybe it's a card that folds in half, not a traditional not a traditional 455 00:32:16.599 --> 00:32:22.200 book card. Yeah, but maybe it folds in half and in between you 456 00:32:22.240 --> 00:32:28.640 know in the middle of the card is a chrome mini. Hey, Nazi, 457 00:32:28.880 --> 00:32:31.319 that would be cool. I would still say, don't you every name 458 00:32:31.359 --> 00:32:37.680 at Taco fractor again? But that's pretty cool. Where I mean, how 459 00:32:37.720 --> 00:32:42.079 am I supposed to take you seriously with everything? Look? With everything away 460 00:32:42.119 --> 00:32:45.200 it is in society and you know, cancel culture being what it is and 461 00:32:45.279 --> 00:32:50.839 everything's racist these days? Yeah, how has there not been backlash on this? 462 00:32:51.599 --> 00:32:52.279 But like I said, I would be cool. A look if it's 463 00:32:52.279 --> 00:32:57.599 folded in half and there was a mini you know, the of that card 464 00:32:57.680 --> 00:33:00.839 or whatever in the middle, that would be cool. I would actually like 465 00:33:00.960 --> 00:33:04.559 to see that on chrome stock. Guys. I know you people from product 466 00:33:04.559 --> 00:33:07.640 development are listening. Let's get it on that. If that's not what this 467 00:33:07.720 --> 00:33:10.319 taco fractor is, because well, it is interesting that it's not listed with 468 00:33:10.440 --> 00:33:15.440 the base parallels, so we don't know if it's an insert that's out of 469 00:33:15.480 --> 00:33:17.960 five or just a you know, is it a regular parallel. We have 470 00:33:19.000 --> 00:33:22.720 no clue what it is yet, but they're teasing everybody with the Taco fractor. 471 00:33:22.920 --> 00:33:27.200 Yeah, and we know that they can make chrome minis because they do 472 00:33:27.240 --> 00:33:31.960 it with ellen Ginter chrome, so you know they have the printing press set 473 00:33:32.039 --> 00:33:36.279 up to make chrome minis. Yeah, let's see it happened. I think 474 00:33:36.319 --> 00:33:37.680 that would be a really cool idea of the card just folds in half as 475 00:33:37.680 --> 00:33:42.720 a mini inside and then just called the taco fractor. There you go. 476 00:33:43.440 --> 00:33:45.640 Well, yep, so guys tops Chrome. If you haven't seen, they 477 00:33:45.759 --> 00:33:51.319 dropped the autos, They've got a couple of new inserts, a couple of 478 00:33:51.400 --> 00:33:55.039 new cool little autograph sets, and then of course the question of the taco 479 00:33:55.200 --> 00:34:00.319 fractor. And I'm just curious, Scott and I have a feeling that these 480 00:34:00.319 --> 00:34:04.759 taco fractors are probably gonna cost a pretty penny, well, especially if they're 481 00:34:04.839 --> 00:34:07.280 number to five. Yeah, and let's be honest, who doesn't like tacos? 482 00:34:07.719 --> 00:34:09.639 Right? And speaking of tacos, you know what, Drew, I'm 483 00:34:09.719 --> 00:34:13.400 hungry all right too. Let's take a break. I'm gonna go grab a 484 00:34:13.440 --> 00:34:17.559 taco. We'll be right back and welcome back to everybody, two, Episode 485 00:34:17.639 --> 00:34:22.320 one hundred and ninety. The tacos are on our belly. We're all full, 486 00:34:22.000 --> 00:34:25.440 while it's still empty. But hey, there you go. We got 487 00:34:25.480 --> 00:34:29.480 tacos, so that's good. We got tacos, so everything is good. 488 00:34:29.480 --> 00:34:32.639 And apparently taco fractors soon. But guys, we're gonna move on now to 489 00:34:32.760 --> 00:34:37.079 a big well. It could be a big story, but it's a developing 490 00:34:37.119 --> 00:34:43.920 story. It dropped about about twelve hours before we recorded today Thursday. I 491 00:34:44.000 --> 00:34:47.599 gotta give kret to Jeff Wilson and the guys over at Sports Card Investor and 492 00:34:47.880 --> 00:34:52.679 Blowout Forums who initially you know, the Blowout detectives. They do their thing. 493 00:34:53.199 --> 00:34:58.280 Well, they were scounding the internet, yes the other day and found 494 00:34:58.320 --> 00:35:02.559 something quite interesting. I could have massive, massive hobby implications, Scott, 495 00:35:02.920 --> 00:35:10.800 and that is that Lebron James could possibly be leaving upper Deck as an exclusive 496 00:35:10.880 --> 00:35:16.440 athlete. On their website, upper Deck has a list of their exclusive athletes, 497 00:35:16.559 --> 00:35:21.400 it always went Michael Jordan, Lebron James, and then the rest of 498 00:35:21.440 --> 00:35:24.280 the guy Tugger Woods, Wayne Gretzky, Patrick Waw, things like that. 499 00:35:24.519 --> 00:35:30.519 Yeah, Lebron is gone from the exclusives area, but is still listed as 500 00:35:30.559 --> 00:35:37.599 an upper Deck athlete, which obviously has led to tons of speculation as to 501 00:35:39.199 --> 00:35:45.159 is his exclusive going. Did he find a way out of this lifetime exclusive 502 00:35:45.199 --> 00:35:52.039 that he signed with upper Deck? That would be huge, huge, And 503 00:35:52.559 --> 00:35:58.000 if that is the case, you know, we know that you know Brawnie 504 00:35:58.119 --> 00:36:02.760 is signing the Tops chrome McDonald McDonald's all American style. But if Lebron is 505 00:36:02.800 --> 00:36:09.880 no longer exclusive to upper Deck does but he's still an upper Deck athlete, 506 00:36:10.440 --> 00:36:15.400 which means that it's now a non exclusive agreement, and that also means that 507 00:36:15.440 --> 00:36:21.159 he's not going to be signing an exclusive agreement with anybody else. But that 508 00:36:21.280 --> 00:36:24.719 also opens the door for him signing an agreement with somebody else. So, 509 00:36:25.599 --> 00:36:30.679 if this is indeed the case and not, you know, not just some 510 00:36:30.800 --> 00:36:32.960 error that somebody pulled him off the exclusive jos on the website, is it 511 00:36:34.000 --> 00:36:40.519 possible that we see Lebron autos for the next year or two in Panini products? 512 00:36:42.519 --> 00:36:46.880 And following that with the acquisition of the NBA license by Fanatics, do 513 00:36:46.960 --> 00:36:52.159 we see him in tops products? Well that that certainly sounds like a and 514 00:36:52.599 --> 00:36:57.840 you know something that gives me, or at least leads me to think that 515 00:36:57.880 --> 00:37:02.039 this does hold some weight. Is we're right at that time where we're pushing 516 00:37:02.079 --> 00:37:06.679 to the national, We're under thirty days away till the National, where we 517 00:37:06.800 --> 00:37:12.880 know some of the biggest news worthy events in the hobby are always announced. 518 00:37:13.400 --> 00:37:19.119 What bigger thing for Fanatics Panini anyone to be able to announce than to say, 519 00:37:19.280 --> 00:37:25.480 Lebron James autographs are coming. I mean that that would literally take over 520 00:37:25.559 --> 00:37:30.440 the National in terms of buzz for multiple days, if not the entire week. 521 00:37:30.519 --> 00:37:31.800 Oh absolutely, And you know what, dude, But here's the thing, 522 00:37:32.119 --> 00:37:36.960 we have an even bigger announcement regarding the National than that we do. 523 00:37:37.159 --> 00:37:38.440 We're gonna share with you at the end of the show. Yes, we 524 00:37:38.519 --> 00:37:42.440 do. So. Yeah, keep an eye on that. But back to 525 00:37:42.519 --> 00:37:49.039 Lebron. Yeah, this has major hobby ramifications if he does wind up being 526 00:37:49.079 --> 00:37:57.760 able to sign a contract with either Panini or Fanatics, and I think Fanatics 527 00:37:57.840 --> 00:38:02.280 is the most likely one because they also have a massive memorabilia you know operation. 528 00:38:02.320 --> 00:38:07.639 And this is very key for people to know. This went very very 529 00:38:07.719 --> 00:38:12.920 under the radar as it was just a normal signing. But Clutch Management, 530 00:38:12.960 --> 00:38:17.719 which manages Brawny and it's Lebron James company. One of their higher up employees 531 00:38:17.760 --> 00:38:24.320 a few months ago left Clutch for Fanatics and is now working in athlete relations. 532 00:38:24.679 --> 00:38:31.119 So there is a Clutch, a literal Clutch and Fanatics connection already in 533 00:38:31.199 --> 00:38:36.039 place. That's already there. Yeah, I'm curious as to how that is 534 00:38:36.039 --> 00:38:38.000 going to play out. But I think I think if it is under the 535 00:38:38.119 --> 00:38:44.960 radar now, I think that there they are holding the announcement until the national 536 00:38:45.400 --> 00:38:52.360 Yes website screw up or something like that. I would have thought with over 537 00:38:52.519 --> 00:38:57.760 twelve hours since you know, Sports Card Investor and some other major influencers have 538 00:38:57.840 --> 00:39:00.119 started posting about this, that they would have fixed it. It's literally a 539 00:39:00.199 --> 00:39:06.119 simple go onto the web design page and click the tile and click the picture 540 00:39:06.800 --> 00:39:09.360 and then he's right back there. It's not like they deleted massive amounts of 541 00:39:09.400 --> 00:39:15.239 pages. It's literally a list of photos that scroll in in a slide show. 542 00:39:15.360 --> 00:39:19.119 All you have to do is add the picture back to the slide show. 543 00:39:19.400 --> 00:39:22.840 And the fact that it hasn't been done but yet he still remains on 544 00:39:22.880 --> 00:39:29.440 the athlete area, but no change has been made since all this buzz came 545 00:39:29.480 --> 00:39:35.480 out. Maybe they're just liking the website impressions. Who knows, But the 546 00:39:35.519 --> 00:39:39.679 fact that they haven't fixed it also really leads me to believe that we might 547 00:39:39.840 --> 00:39:45.760 be getting a big announcement at the National. We might see Brawnie Lebron James 548 00:39:45.159 --> 00:39:51.159 Dual Autos, we might You know that the possibilities are endless right now, 549 00:39:51.239 --> 00:39:54.800 here's the here's the other question. So if it's the if it's true that 550 00:39:55.039 --> 00:40:00.079 Lebron is no longer an exclusive athlete with the Upper Deck, Yeah, and 551 00:40:00.119 --> 00:40:05.960 speculating that Fanatics is going to make a major announcement about them signing him coming 552 00:40:06.039 --> 00:40:08.800 up at the National and then obviously, you know, having at their booth 553 00:40:08.840 --> 00:40:13.599 a whole bunch of Lebron James autograph stuff to sell, right, you know, 554 00:40:13.760 --> 00:40:17.239 basketballs and jerseys and all that kind of stuff. Does Upper Deck come 555 00:40:17.280 --> 00:40:22.920 out with their own announcement stating that he is no longer and he is still 556 00:40:22.960 --> 00:40:29.000 an upper Deck athlete, but no longer exclusive to Upper Deck, just to 557 00:40:30.199 --> 00:40:36.639 force Fanatics into making an announcement ahead of time. Hey, that's that would 558 00:40:36.679 --> 00:40:40.079 be That would be slick then, And that'd be something that I would do. 559 00:40:40.320 --> 00:40:44.199 I mean, if it's me, if I'm upper Deck and I know 560 00:40:44.320 --> 00:40:49.519 that that they're going to try and capture attention at the National or field that 561 00:40:49.599 --> 00:40:53.360 they are because they haven't announced it or anything like that, I absolutely would. 562 00:40:53.440 --> 00:40:57.760 Especially if I'm upper Deck and I have announcements of my own that I 563 00:40:57.880 --> 00:41:01.239 want people to be paying attention to it, then yeah, force that announcement 564 00:41:01.320 --> 00:41:06.480 to happen sooner, right, you know, like next week or something like 565 00:41:06.519 --> 00:41:09.840 that. And that way, the buzz on it, you know, has 566 00:41:09.920 --> 00:41:15.400 died down a bit at the national and it frees up other companies to make 567 00:41:15.480 --> 00:41:19.480 a bigger announcement where now all of a sudden, that's the one that's getting 568 00:41:19.519 --> 00:41:22.239 talked about for yeah, no, hey, And it's a nice little jab 569 00:41:22.280 --> 00:41:27.920 at him for obviously stealing Lebron away. There's no way they didn't want him 570 00:41:27.960 --> 00:41:30.440 to be an exclusive forever. I mean, that's why they sign him to 571 00:41:30.519 --> 00:41:36.760 these deals. But one of the biggest things about this man is if he 572 00:41:36.920 --> 00:41:44.400 does leave as an exclusive athlete, it changes the entire Lebron hobby landscape because 573 00:41:45.400 --> 00:41:50.960 all buyers, especially of high end Lebron stuff and especially the autographs, have 574 00:41:51.199 --> 00:41:57.000 known that, Okay, well after he retires, they can't even make cards 575 00:41:57.119 --> 00:42:00.800 of him in his pro uniform anymore, you know, like it like, 576 00:42:00.880 --> 00:42:05.360 and they're done. And so there was this finite area where they knew where 577 00:42:05.360 --> 00:42:09.480 they assumed that, Okay, well, once they're done, so are all 578 00:42:09.480 --> 00:42:14.880 of his licensed cards and all that stuff. Well that won't be the case 579 00:42:14.960 --> 00:42:20.159 anymore, and it would change the entire market and I would be curious to 580 00:42:20.159 --> 00:42:22.960 see, which we won't know for a long time if this happens to be 581 00:42:22.960 --> 00:42:27.719 true, the effect it has on some of his early stuff that goes for 582 00:42:27.800 --> 00:42:30.960 insane amounts of money, because I tell people all the time, outside of 583 00:42:31.519 --> 00:42:35.119 you know, the cards, that it is they doesn't have a ton of 584 00:42:35.119 --> 00:42:38.679 stuff. There's a lot of reasons as rookies and early year stuff commands so 585 00:42:38.800 --> 00:42:44.639 much value. Was also because there was that finite time period where it was 586 00:42:44.679 --> 00:42:47.000 going to end, and yeah it was going to be gone, but now 587 00:42:47.440 --> 00:42:52.400 that door might be wide open forever. Well. But it also throws another 588 00:42:52.480 --> 00:42:55.400 piece to the puzzle too. If he is not exclusive with Upper Deck any 589 00:42:55.400 --> 00:43:00.920 longer, that opens the door for him to be able to sign things like 590 00:43:01.000 --> 00:43:06.159 his TOPS Chrome Rookie card. Yes, and you know for people getting an 591 00:43:06.159 --> 00:43:09.840 IP auto as an Upper exclusive, he cannot. He'd be able to sign 592 00:43:09.840 --> 00:43:14.239 an Upper Deck card, uh, you know, in person, but not 593 00:43:14.800 --> 00:43:19.679 tops or trying to think who else was out there Panini, you know who's 594 00:43:19.719 --> 00:43:23.760 out there making making cards back then. But now if he's not exclusive, 595 00:43:23.840 --> 00:43:29.760 he can. So the question is does somebody you know approach him and say, 596 00:43:30.000 --> 00:43:32.519 hey, we'd like to have you do a signing and here's you know, 597 00:43:32.800 --> 00:43:37.760 fifty tops chrome rookie cards, right, and now all of a sudden 598 00:43:37.760 --> 00:43:39.519 they get signed, they get sent off to get started and slabbed and things 599 00:43:39.519 --> 00:43:44.719 like that, and they are now, all of a sudden they're worth a 600 00:43:44.800 --> 00:43:49.679 significantly larger amount of money because they're the only ones that are on the market 601 00:43:49.800 --> 00:43:52.159 because he was never able to sign him in the you know, in the 602 00:43:52.199 --> 00:43:57.159 past. Ye, so does that happen? I know, No, This 603 00:43:58.199 --> 00:44:02.320 is much more than just Willie have some autographs in a fanatics product or something 604 00:44:02.320 --> 00:44:07.679 like that. This really does change a lot because those upper deck exclusive lifetime 605 00:44:07.760 --> 00:44:14.519 deals that they put together really are very specific on, like you said, 606 00:44:14.639 --> 00:44:19.960 in person's signings everything. And if that's taken off the table, man, 607 00:44:20.639 --> 00:44:24.360 what could happen? Who knows, but it's it is going to be quite 608 00:44:24.400 --> 00:44:29.920 interesting, and watching his market is going to be quite interesting. I still 609 00:44:29.920 --> 00:44:32.840 think he's someone that's smart enough to control it a little more than some people 610 00:44:32.880 --> 00:44:37.480 would. But you know, they also don't sign those just random people to 611 00:44:37.960 --> 00:44:45.679 lifetime exclusives exactly. Yeah, But speaking of exclusives, wrap up the show. 612 00:44:45.800 --> 00:44:50.320 Switch over brands here, we jump over to Panini. We've got a 613 00:44:50.400 --> 00:44:55.239 couple of questions going on and a couple of issues, and they keep contradicting 614 00:44:55.280 --> 00:45:00.679 each other. And obviously Select has a little bit to do with this, 615 00:45:00.880 --> 00:45:05.280 But dude, what is going on with the top quarterbacks in this year's class? 616 00:45:05.639 --> 00:45:07.599 You know, a week ago or two weeks ago, we would have 617 00:45:07.679 --> 00:45:13.639 thought we would have known the answer, But with all that's transpired in the 618 00:45:13.719 --> 00:45:17.760 last you know, week and a half or so, the only answer that 619 00:45:17.800 --> 00:45:23.280 we can give at this point is I don't know, right right, I 620 00:45:23.320 --> 00:45:27.679 don't know. Everything looked like it was going to be those you know, 621 00:45:27.719 --> 00:45:31.880 those top quarterbacks were fanatic. We're gonna end up being fanatics exclusives. They 622 00:45:31.880 --> 00:45:37.400 showed up at the Panini's Rookie premiere, but only posed for photographs yep, 623 00:45:37.960 --> 00:45:43.840 you know, for the cards. They didn't sign anything exactly. And then 624 00:45:44.119 --> 00:45:47.360 all of a sudden, Panini pops up on their website, you know, 625 00:45:47.440 --> 00:45:53.880 a limited availability of autographed cards after no Yeah, they so Panini inst has 626 00:45:53.920 --> 00:46:00.800 those up. But that's after announcing the Select XRC autos, which conveniently left 627 00:46:00.840 --> 00:46:06.679 all of them out. Yep. The autographs were Anthony Richardson, Jean Robinson, 628 00:46:06.760 --> 00:46:09.280 Jamar Gibbs, Jackson, Smith, New Joshiba, and Quinton Johnson. 629 00:46:09.760 --> 00:46:15.039 That's it. So they left those quarterbacks out of the XRC autographs which people 630 00:46:15.039 --> 00:46:21.480 were chasing putting in tons of money for. Then they throw Panini Instant autos 631 00:46:21.639 --> 00:46:24.760 up of these guys a very limited amount. I think the base was three 632 00:46:24.960 --> 00:46:30.440 forty eight, and then a couple of small parallels of Bryce Young's c J. 633 00:46:30.599 --> 00:46:35.599 Stroud will leave us. But it makes no sense. So are these 634 00:46:35.679 --> 00:46:37.960 left? Are these going to be stickers? And they were left over from 635 00:46:37.960 --> 00:46:44.239 the draft stuff that maybe they were able to sneak in before exclusives were signed, 636 00:46:44.920 --> 00:46:49.679 because obviously the select ones they're not getting signed. But what I mean, 637 00:46:49.679 --> 00:46:53.960 they're contradicting in themselves and it's it's having a major effect on their market. 638 00:46:54.239 --> 00:46:58.000 Yeah, but I think. But here's the thing with with those exclusive 639 00:46:58.039 --> 00:47:04.320 agreements. I was always under the impression that autographs that were you know and 640 00:47:04.320 --> 00:47:07.519 stuff like that, in cards that were signed and produced prior to the exclusive, 641 00:47:07.920 --> 00:47:13.719 even though they hadn't been released yet. Yes, we're okay, they 642 00:47:14.079 --> 00:47:19.119 are, yes, But in this case the cards were produced after. Yeah, 643 00:47:19.199 --> 00:47:22.440 Panini Instant, I mean that those are literally go about to be produced 644 00:47:22.639 --> 00:47:27.719 right, the cards themselves have not been produced yet, even though they you 645 00:47:27.760 --> 00:47:31.559 know, they're probably sticker autos, and the stickers were most likely signed prior 646 00:47:31.599 --> 00:47:38.320 to that. So this is an interesting an interesting one because even though the 647 00:47:38.440 --> 00:47:44.400 sticker was signed, the cards weren't made. Cards were not made, yeah, 648 00:47:44.440 --> 00:47:47.280 nor announced or you know, anything like that. So if they did 649 00:47:47.280 --> 00:47:52.719 sign an exclusive with that acts like we you know, like everybody speculated, 650 00:47:52.800 --> 00:47:55.039 just given the fact that they didn't sign anything in the Rookie premiere, they 651 00:47:55.079 --> 00:48:00.519 didn't sign anything, they didn't mention any of their names. Draft Night social 652 00:48:00.559 --> 00:48:07.639 media and tops had autographs of those three quarterbacks up the next day, and 653 00:48:07.760 --> 00:48:10.360 Panini did not so well. But here's the but here's the thing that maybe 654 00:48:12.199 --> 00:48:15.039 that leads me to believe that, you know, if there are sticker autos 655 00:48:15.079 --> 00:48:20.119 for these they weren't if they didn't get mentioned in the Draft night media, 656 00:48:20.199 --> 00:48:23.679 that they didn't sign them at the draft either right now, which which would 657 00:48:23.679 --> 00:48:27.119 have meant that they you know, would have had to approach them to sign 658 00:48:27.159 --> 00:48:29.639 them prior to the draft, which look, you know, these guys are 659 00:48:29.639 --> 00:48:30.760 going to get drafted and things like that, and that's you know, it's 660 00:48:30.760 --> 00:48:36.559 one thing, but the cards haven't been produced yet exactly. And that's the 661 00:48:36.639 --> 00:48:39.239 thing that that kind of perplexes me. Yeah, Like I said, if 662 00:48:39.280 --> 00:48:46.119 they had produced the cards prior to the exclusive greem getting signed, then they 663 00:48:46.119 --> 00:48:50.840 can still be released. Yeah, but that's not the case here. Nope. 664 00:48:51.119 --> 00:48:54.079 And maybe that's maybe that has something to do with and I don't know 665 00:48:54.119 --> 00:49:00.480 the wording of these agreements, but maybe it is actually boxed out cards and 666 00:49:00.559 --> 00:49:07.559 that's why the xrcs are unable to have them. But Panini Instant and a 667 00:49:07.760 --> 00:49:12.800 non boxed out platform, they're able to skirt some of these rules to get 668 00:49:12.880 --> 00:49:16.119 rid of inventory that they had. I mean, I don't know. It 669 00:49:16.480 --> 00:49:23.199 doesn't make sense because you had to know that announcing this select XRC Auto checklist 670 00:49:23.280 --> 00:49:28.239 was going to be the biggest kick in the gut. Cards that were selling 671 00:49:28.360 --> 00:49:32.400 for literally eight to nine hundred dollars are now selling for like one hundred and 672 00:49:32.440 --> 00:49:37.440 fifty. It was that it's that big of a drop off, if not 673 00:49:37.639 --> 00:49:40.599 more, on some of these, So you had to know that was going 674 00:49:40.639 --> 00:49:45.639 to be a massive disappointment. Yet you put out the Panini Instant stuff. 675 00:49:45.800 --> 00:49:50.199 Maybe you're putting out the Panini Instant because that's the only way you can skirt 676 00:49:51.000 --> 00:49:53.880 the you know, the legal ease in these contracts. I don't know, 677 00:49:53.920 --> 00:49:59.559 But don't you think don't you think that Fanatics would still go after Panini for 678 00:49:59.639 --> 00:50:01.519 you would Look, you've got to you've got to assume that, you know, 679 00:50:01.519 --> 00:50:06.679 because again, Panini's going after Fanatics right now for stealing employees. The 680 00:50:06.760 --> 00:50:12.159 lasting Panini needs right now is Fanatics going after them for anything. Yeah, 681 00:50:12.199 --> 00:50:15.960 So you would assume that the people at Panini would be smart enough to say, 682 00:50:15.960 --> 00:50:17.559 hey, we want to do this, but maybe we should run it 683 00:50:17.599 --> 00:50:22.800 by the lawyers first, right, and who knows, maybe they did, 684 00:50:22.840 --> 00:50:24.960 maybe they didn't, you know, I mean, who knows what I mean? 685 00:50:25.400 --> 00:50:30.000 Fanatics can really go after them for the dollar amount of the sales, 686 00:50:30.519 --> 00:50:32.519 yeah, and you know, and that's pretty much it. So maybe they're 687 00:50:32.559 --> 00:50:37.519 anticipating Fanatics to say, yeah, you can't release those because we have an 688 00:50:37.519 --> 00:50:40.480 exclusive agreement with these guys. The cards were produced after the agreement was signed, 689 00:50:42.360 --> 00:50:45.320 and you have to give us. You know, we're going to sue 690 00:50:45.320 --> 00:50:49.800 you for the proceeds of the cards. And the reality is that's a drop 691 00:50:49.800 --> 00:50:52.480 in the bucket for Panini. But now, all of a sudden, you 692 00:50:52.480 --> 00:50:53.920 know, now, all of a sudden, the cards are out there though, 693 00:50:54.320 --> 00:51:00.639 right the ship assume well they can also Fanatics couldn't theory file for an 694 00:51:00.639 --> 00:51:04.519 injunction to stop them from shipping the cards, yeah, or even producing the 695 00:51:04.559 --> 00:51:06.719 cards. And if that were the case, they'd have to refund everybody. 696 00:51:07.360 --> 00:51:09.679 But they'd have to announce the exclusives first. I mean, my god, 697 00:51:10.079 --> 00:51:14.159 Like, this is what's driving me crazy. Is it's holding up the whole 698 00:51:14.199 --> 00:51:19.119 hobby like no one like it's it's causing certain people like these Well, there's 699 00:51:19.159 --> 00:51:21.760 nothing to say. There's nothing to say that, you know, if they 700 00:51:21.760 --> 00:51:23.079 are, if they do have an exclusive agreement with Fanatics, there's nothing to 701 00:51:23.079 --> 00:51:27.840 say. The Fanatics needs to put out an announcement saying that hey, these 702 00:51:27.880 --> 00:51:30.960 are our new exclusive athletes, welcome them to the family. They don't have 703 00:51:30.039 --> 00:51:34.519 to do that. Now. I feel that's another national type announcement. I 704 00:51:34.559 --> 00:51:37.880 feel like that's that's a national type thing because it garners attention. Yeah, 705 00:51:37.920 --> 00:51:43.280 but it's one of those. But it happens so far in advance of the 706 00:51:43.400 --> 00:51:46.679 national that I don't see it. I don't see it garnering that kind of 707 00:51:46.880 --> 00:51:51.800 you know, that type of really depends on the presence they're gonna have there, 708 00:51:51.840 --> 00:51:53.719 you know, I mean, we don't know and how big they want 709 00:51:53.719 --> 00:51:59.159 of a splash and how many big announcements are they going to make? It's 710 00:51:59.280 --> 00:52:01.079 what is what It's going to come down to, how they want the show 711 00:52:01.119 --> 00:52:06.400 to go, DoD they want to focus around one major announcement or do they 712 00:52:06.440 --> 00:52:09.039 want to focus around because I mean, let's face it, they've got a 713 00:52:09.079 --> 00:52:13.880 lot of things going on heading into the National. A lot of this is 714 00:52:13.920 --> 00:52:19.360 an interesting National because it's a very transitional one. This is a transitional point 715 00:52:19.400 --> 00:52:22.639 in the hobby. No, that's true, Um, but I can't I 716 00:52:22.039 --> 00:52:25.400 can only see him making an announcement like that in relation to the National if 717 00:52:25.440 --> 00:52:30.559 those guys were going to be signing at the National. But they're not going 718 00:52:30.599 --> 00:52:32.599 to be signing at the National because training camp is going to be going on. 719 00:52:34.039 --> 00:52:37.800 So that's not going to happen, right, And given that the speculation 720 00:52:37.920 --> 00:52:40.480 is already out there and has been talked about for well over a month now, 721 00:52:40.880 --> 00:52:45.559 that these guys are exclusive to fanatics by the time you get to the 722 00:52:45.639 --> 00:52:47.800 National, if all of a sudden the announced oh well, you know, 723 00:52:47.840 --> 00:52:52.199 hey, Stroud and Levis and all these got there there, you were announcing 724 00:52:52.199 --> 00:52:57.480 that they're exclusive fanatics athletes. Well, okay, great, we knew that 725 00:52:57.519 --> 00:53:00.639 months ago, right, Yeah, you know that's the reaction that it's gonna 726 00:53:00.679 --> 00:53:02.840 get. Yes, No, I agree with you, there, I do. 727 00:53:04.480 --> 00:53:09.400 But it is interesting because it's I've never seen a football hobby or a 728 00:53:09.480 --> 00:53:15.039 higby time period where the biggest names in the hobby there's so much question over 729 00:53:15.199 --> 00:53:19.800 them and what products are we gonna see. And you know, when you 730 00:53:19.840 --> 00:53:23.679 look at price points on boxes things like that, those Select boxes were very 731 00:53:23.800 --> 00:53:30.199 very high because of those xrcs. When those XRC price xrcs were announced, 732 00:53:30.239 --> 00:53:35.039 go look at the prices of Select, it's dropped significantly. So, no, 733 00:53:35.199 --> 00:53:37.599 that is true. Now there's nothing stopping Panini from doing the non auto 734 00:53:37.800 --> 00:53:42.679 xrcs for those guys. No, well, no, they've got those. 735 00:53:42.760 --> 00:53:46.280 They're in the non auto they've already exactly on that. Yeah, but it's 736 00:53:46.280 --> 00:53:50.400 the autograph, you know pieces. So I mean there's still guys chasing the 737 00:53:50.440 --> 00:53:53.880 low numbered you know, non auto xrcs of these guys time and that that's 738 00:53:53.960 --> 00:53:57.440 keeping the product high. But hey, I will say, at least they 739 00:53:57.440 --> 00:54:01.079 did one thing right with Select Football this year. It's no more retail blue. 740 00:54:01.280 --> 00:54:06.320 Yes, that's actually a parallel as opposed to the base. I know 741 00:54:06.360 --> 00:54:08.159 when I was, I was all excited and I talked about it when we 742 00:54:08.199 --> 00:54:15.239 talked about selected Premier League and La Liga and FIFA. Is that the retail 743 00:54:15.880 --> 00:54:20.599 cards were the same cards that you found in the hobby boxes, which is 744 00:54:20.760 --> 00:54:24.159 awesome. So guys that build the sets, you know, aren't out there 745 00:54:24.719 --> 00:54:28.719 like, oh well I have to get hobby or I'm only doing the blue 746 00:54:28.760 --> 00:54:31.039 retail variation of A. No, they're back to the way that it used 747 00:54:31.079 --> 00:54:35.639 to be, yeah, where it's not a different you know, the base 748 00:54:36.239 --> 00:54:40.639 retail is not a different color from the base hobby and I do like also, 749 00:54:40.840 --> 00:54:44.800 you know, they yes, they added in the fifth tier, which 750 00:54:44.880 --> 00:54:47.559 I hate, but they kept field level out of retail, making it hobby 751 00:54:47.639 --> 00:54:51.960 only and I like that as well, bringing the field levels back to more 752 00:54:52.000 --> 00:54:55.400 of a super short print type of field yep, as opposed to blasters as 753 00:54:55.400 --> 00:55:00.639 well. So they did a couple of things right, but re the release 754 00:55:00.719 --> 00:55:05.920 of the XRC autograph checklist and then the Panini instant announcement where within about forty 755 00:55:05.920 --> 00:55:12.079 eight hours of each other and just caused more confusion than ever over are these 756 00:55:12.079 --> 00:55:15.800 guys going to be signing this year. Are we getting National Treasures rpas? 757 00:55:15.840 --> 00:55:20.519 Are we getting optic on card rated rookie autos or are we going to be 758 00:55:20.559 --> 00:55:23.440 getting some fanatic stuff. Who knows. Well, we'll find out as the 759 00:55:23.760 --> 00:55:28.480 you know, as the year goes on and products come out, and yeah, 760 00:55:28.519 --> 00:55:30.400 you know it's got to find out soon. I mean we're going to 761 00:55:30.480 --> 00:55:35.079 be dropping soon, so I know, all right, speaking of dropping. 762 00:55:35.559 --> 00:55:38.079 Yes, So that's all we got from a topic standpoint today. However, 763 00:55:38.400 --> 00:55:43.639 we've got something I teased a little bit earlier. Yeah, and as we 764 00:55:43.719 --> 00:55:51.599 have a massive announcements in relation to the national that we do, mister Rappaport, 765 00:55:51.679 --> 00:55:55.840 guys, make sure you are following our Instagram and Facebook them and you 766 00:55:55.920 --> 00:56:01.639 get that potograph LGTP podcast on any of the platforms. As we are going 767 00:56:01.679 --> 00:56:08.239 to be giving away two sets of two tickets to the Nationals, so four 768 00:56:08.360 --> 00:56:14.079 tickets total, two sets of two. There will be two different giveaways. 769 00:56:14.159 --> 00:56:19.320 One is up right now and goes through July fourth. The next one will 770 00:56:19.440 --> 00:56:22.280 start on the fourth and go for a couple of days as well, and 771 00:56:22.320 --> 00:56:27.360 then we'll announce those winners. All the information you'll be able to find on 772 00:56:27.400 --> 00:56:30.519 the social media on how you can win those These are gonna be in groups 773 00:56:30.519 --> 00:56:35.679 of two. They are gonna be day passes, So you can win two 774 00:56:35.760 --> 00:56:39.800 tickets to the National, and you have two opportunities to do it. I 775 00:56:39.960 --> 00:56:44.079 like it. And in addition to that, I think we got Ray coming 776 00:56:44.159 --> 00:56:49.559 up next week. Going yes, Ray from Ray Shelty from Selectible Media and 777 00:56:49.719 --> 00:56:52.599 one of the men responsible for making the National what it is. Without Ray, 778 00:56:52.639 --> 00:56:58.079 the National would be complete and total chaos. Mister Ray Shelty will be 779 00:56:58.159 --> 00:57:01.719 joining the show here either are next week tenatively schedule DA or next week or 780 00:57:01.760 --> 00:57:05.880 the week after, but he will be joining us here very soon to talk 781 00:57:05.960 --> 00:57:09.960 all things National. But thank you to the National and Collectible Media of course 782 00:57:10.360 --> 00:57:14.559 for giving us these awesome tickets to give away to you guys. So if 783 00:57:14.559 --> 00:57:17.480 you'd like to check out the National, you've got your chances. Make sure 784 00:57:17.519 --> 00:57:22.000 to check the socials and get your entries in. We will be announcing those 785 00:57:22.039 --> 00:57:25.519 giveaways on the proper day, but you've got two different chances to win two 786 00:57:25.599 --> 00:57:31.599 tickets to the National. I like it. Red is gonna wrap up episode 787 00:57:31.760 --> 00:57:37.000 one hundred and ninety before we go, I do want to thank our awesome 788 00:57:37.039 --> 00:57:42.480 sponsored game Time cards silent cases, show your slaps, slap strown, Denver 789 00:57:42.639 --> 00:57:47.320 card shows, stand up displays, and of course Treasure Hunter sports cards and 790 00:57:47.360 --> 00:57:52.000 of course wax pag Nation. Guys, we've got a lot of cool stuff 791 00:57:52.039 --> 00:57:53.840 on our road to the National. As I said, we've got the giveaways 792 00:57:53.920 --> 00:57:59.199 up now Hobby Hotline every single Saturday. I'll be on this Saturday, the 793 00:57:59.239 --> 00:58:04.000 first, and may have a surprise show coming up here in a couple of 794 00:58:04.079 --> 00:58:07.800 days, so be on the lookout. As me and Scott got a couple 795 00:58:07.800 --> 00:58:12.159 of reasons to celebrate, we might celebrate with you, but another great show 796 00:58:12.199 --> 00:58:15.000 as always my friend. Of course, I got a couple more before you 797 00:58:15.039 --> 00:58:19.840 get your foot after Chicago for a week and get to have a little bit 798 00:58:19.920 --> 00:58:22.599 fun have you know for a couple of days. Can't wait for that one. 799 00:58:22.679 --> 00:58:25.800 But until next week, guys, you know the deal. Keep ripping 800 00:58:25.840 --> 00:58:30.480 those packs, pulling those hits and we'll talk to you. Then He's