You're listening to kf I am six on demand. Chip. Welcome to the
Jesus Christ Show. Hello Jesus, my brother. What's going on? Roughly?
I don't know. Ten years ago, I was heavily involved in a
cell church and things were going great, and then all of a sudden,
my prayer life became I don't know, for lack of a better description,
putting my prayer in a bucket that disappeared into the black distance. And when
it started to happen, I recognized it immediately because I was so used to
feeling the presence of God just in you know. I mean, I've drive
him to work, I talked to him and you know, going go on.
I just you know, always talked to him and he was always there
and whatever. And then this started and I recognized the changed immediately, and
I prayed with even more, with even more vigor. And you know,
I said, you know, what am I doing wrong? I know it's
me, because it's not him. It had to be me. What have
I done? What did I do? What am I doing? You know?
Uh? You know I asked my friends to do the same. My
friends paid with me and for me, and you know I was you know,
drop a bus on me, whatever it take to open my mind or
my eyes or my heart or whatever I've done. And finally, after about
five years of doing this, I just kind of I don't know. I'm
I'm wondering if I'm just full of bologney, you know, I'm I'm I'm
wondering, you know, is this what it's Do most Christians not feel the
presence of God? Was it my imagination? You know? It depends how
how you're feeling. I am, Chip. I mean, are you saying
that you felt God when it was attached to certain things that you got that
you wanted, No, just mowing the lawn. He was just there.
How has that changed? I don't. I don't, I you know,
I don't know. I mean, the celt Church was a part of fell
apart, but we joined another one and that didn't go real well either.
But then sometimes when I hear those things, here's the rule, Chip,
straight out. If you are standing in front of a building and you see
it in front of your face, and it's right there, and then all
of a sudden, a couple of years later, you don't see that building,
the likelihood of that building getting up and moving is slim right, it's
it's it's you that's moved exactly. So there you're the one. The pillar
of God stands firm. If you're not seeing God, usually it's because you've
moved away for some reason. And if you get caught up in the movement
of a church or the movement of a body, or a particular teacher or
anything, you get caught up just in that you lose the beauty of what's
really going on. And it doesn't mean that there aren't wonderful you know,
groups or churches or teachers that have great followings. It's not about that.
It's if you get caught up in the movement though. If you just get
cut up in that experience experience, then it becomes, you know, simply
about the experience and less about God. And sometimes people go for that feeling.
It's like we say on the program that happiness is a momentary feeling of
joy due to happening. So people confuse happiness for joy sometimes, and happiness
is and joy, joy is constant. It's always there. It's for those
who understand that it's there even in bad times. It's not something that,
oh, someone gave me a cake, someone gave me money. Oh,
things are going my way, therefore I'm happy. It's always their joy is
the pure understanding and acceptance of existing and the complexity and the intensity of what
that means why I exist. That is a wonderful, wonderful thing in good
times and bad so for believers. Often you can get wrapped up in an
experience or a particular church, and I hear people all the time chip that
will will say, hey, you know what, my pastor left, or
my pastor retired. I heard recently of a pastor who retired and has to
tell people, you know, have signs and stuff, say please respect my
retirement because people didn't want to let him go, right, and and he
had done God's work and he's he needs to spend time with his family and
himself, and and people were just like at his door thinking and that becomes
a form of idol worship. That becomes, you know, people losing the
truth of who God is and thinking that God has only can only be seen
or only be felt through certain things. Right, you know, we you
know, we hope the show lasts a long time. We hope God is
using it and why we're here. However, people's faith should not be built
upon this program now the faith that faith should always be in the Father and
this end absolutely. So where is he? So, where is he in
your life that you're not seeing him, feeling, tasting, experiencing God.
Well, that's what's funny, is is he's really I mean what I used
to take as I'm not making any sense, it's everywhere. I mean,
it's in the fact that I'm sitting on my back porch hitting my beautiful dog.
It's you know, it's in the fact that my daughters are inside pickering
over a video game. You know, good good. Those are things exactly,
those are the things that you should be uh, experiencing and taking the
simplicity. Yeah you know that that. Yeah, I guess I could hit
you just get used to it. And this is it's it's too easy to
go, ah, well, God's there. Especially when God is there and
God's really present in your life, you take it for granted. And that's
why people say, oh, why am I going through these trials, because
it's the only time you recognize being Having a little distance from God truly makes
you go, oh my gosh, God is gone. It's not oh well,
I don't really feel him. No, God is there when when it
just God takes enough to go on the head of a pin out of your
life and you will feel as if the bottom has dropped out. Yea,
and perhaps yeah, it's just you have to appreciate that that he's there,
and you have to see it a little different. Sometimes building the steps Chip,
people will say, oh, this guy does such and such and I
want to I want to do that too, or you know, people see
a huge company that's successful and they go, oh, all I've got to
do is you know, well, that's a coffee house and they make tons
of money. I just have to make coffee on a street corner and have
a cute logo and some scones and I'm going to be rich. I'm going
to be a wealthy miser. Yeah, but it's not People will forget.
People see success Chip and they try and copy success. Never copy success,
always copy the path to success, which is very different. A lot of
times it's years and years and years of straining and toiling and trying to figure
out a proper recipe or a proper path, or raising the money or doing
all these things of it. No lady sees that. They just see the
end result and they go, oh, this is all I have to do.
I have to open a shop and I have to put coffee in it.
No, there was there was steps prior to that that were the most
important part, not the end result. Sometimes it's so easy to see the
end result, or get used to the end result that you forget the steps
it takes to get there, and in forgetting that, you lose all of
it. Emron, Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show. Thanks so much for
taking my call, my pleasure. We got just a couple of minutes here.
So what's up, perfect I was wondering if you could deliverate in the
verse for me, Matthew, Chapter six, verse twenty two, and I'll
take that off the year. Okay, thank you. Well, what a
courteous caller. Chapter twenty two. So here you're looking at me talking about
wealth, and it starts out in nineteen. We'll push back because I always
tell you to understand something. You want to read before it and you want
to read after it. So it started verse nineteen, do not lay up
for yourself treasures upon earth, where moth and rust destroy, and where thieves
break in and steel. Then we'll jump to verse twenty two, which is
the one in question by you. The lamp of the body is the eye.
If therefore your eye is clear, your whole body will be full of
light. But if your eye is bad, your whole body will be full
of darkness. If therefore the light that is in your darkness, that is
in you is darkness, how great is the darkness? So this is me
getting upset at the Pharisees. And the Pharisees were very big on gathering wealth,
getting as much as they can and gathering wealth. My point or was
that they were serving two masters, and that they were they were not They
were not able to use faith or understand faith because they were never in need
of God. They always supplied their own stuff. They always got their own
stuff. So the passage here describing the eye is talking about if they're only
looking at wealth. Imagine the old concept of having rose colored glasses. Well,
if you have rose colored glasses, everything you see will be rose colored.
So if you are lusting after and coveting after stuff, then you now
the window to your soul. Your eyes is now taking in only that lust
and covetiousness for things, and not learning about the necessity of God providing or
any of those things, and then it goes on to say that you're serving
two masters, because it's showing that they're serving wealth and the gathering of wealth
and God when they have time, and so it's splitting them. The darkness
comes from the eye being sick. This is implying that their eyes are sick
because their eyes are bent on gain and constantly getting wealth, and they can't
see anything. If you've seen somebody gambling or somebody who makes a lot of
money, and all they think about is making money, making money, making
money, their eyes look dead like that. They're not thinking about anything outside
of it, and therefore the inside of them is dark as well. That's
what it's talking about. Joe, Welcome to Jesus Christ Show. Hello,
and thank you very very much for your sacrifice. I've read the accounts of
your apostles on your comments on the hypocrisy of the Pharisees and the Sodyssees,
and I now follow your instruction for prayer. But my question today is on
the role of churches and religion everywhere I look nowadays. My understanding of the
churches and religion is the primary goal is the salvation of men souls, but
everywhere you look, and there are churches involved and liberation theology and help with
the environment, and global warming and immigration and social justice. What's going on
with the churches. So you're concerned with the church being involved in what would
normally fall into politics, Yes, okay, I think it's fair, and
I'll address it specifically and then generally as well. First, generally, it's
imperative that that churches are involved in many aspects of what's going on in the
world. It's it's helpful. However, there are times where the church becomes
lazy and they forget that their job is to change hearts, not laws,
and that if you if you change hearts, the laws will follow. So
it's easier to change a law than it is to change the heart of man.
So a lot of times churches focus on the political and they lose their
path. However, you mentioned some specifics global warming and the like. Well,
outside of the politics of that, you know, whether it's happening or
not or any of those things. You are called throughout scripture to be good
stewards of that which is in front of you, and to be a good
steward of the planet is to be reasonable, to be a good steward to
a human kind is reasonable and completely biblical. However, those issues you raise
are hot button issues and become political and politicized very quickly. And what happens
is they become emotional rather than intellectual, and people stop being rational about Okay,
well this is what we need to do, and you should be able
to protect this or to protect that or any of these things, and it
becomes an emotional issue and that becomes a problem. And then the church puts
their impromotur on it, and it looks like, oh, well, the
church is saying, well, we believe this, and then this particular Protestant
church is saying we believe this, and that becomes very, very problematic,
and now the church loses its place, which is the spiritual company and the
compass of righteousness in the community, and now becomes just another pundit and another
politico and another voice spouting things on one side or the other. And my
response always has been, give to Caesar what is Caesar's and give to God
what is God's. So people get lost in those things, and unfortunately there's
not the balance. Sometimes there's people that say, hey, Joe, and
you maybe one of them. I don't want them near any political things,
and that's not fair either. The churches in the community plays a part of
the community and is raising the community and has a stake in it. And
therefore the best thing a church can do is raise people up in the way
they should be. Raise them, teach them the right things, teach them
what the biblical and scriptural decisions are on things, and let them make the
decisions out as they are in doing civil things and being part of their civic
duty. That's what's important. When the church gets too involved, yes,
that is a huge problem. Rafael, Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show.
Hello Jesus, Hi. I've had a question for some time about how the
soul or spirit actually exists within the body, and then it leads me to
the question of if it exists within the body. So, in a word,
assuming we each has individual souls, in the event of let's say,
an amputated limb, or if you donate a heart or another organ like a
kidney, does any of your soul go with those parts or does the remaining
body have any lesser soul and the result of given up a kidney for instance.
No excellent question, but no, you throughout scripture it refers to ashes
to ashes. Dust to dust refers to the clay, you know, the
creator using you as clay and your body being clay, the flesh being a
container of vessel reeling. And if you imagine it, it's like saying,
if you donated your car as part of you leave with the car. No,
you get out of the car and then it's just a shell. It's
what you use to move your body around in this world, while your body
is what moves your soul around in this world. Well, this is where
it gets a little complicated for me. Okay, years ago, I had
an ankle injury and my orthopedic surgeon made the suggestion that he could take a
couple cells of my cartilage out of my body, put it in a petri
dish and let it grow, and as it would develop into a larger amount
of cartilage, you could then reinsert it and repair my ankle. So,
while that cartilage is out of my body, it is existing human tissue and
it never died, it never stopped. In fact, it's growing. So
if in the very near future, a science is able to take one or
two other cells of my body and create a clone of being. Does that
other grouping of now very complicated human cells that was my tissue initially have a
soul. Well, this is where the argument goes. Now, how how
it pertains to your question and the specifics of your question. No, your
soul is not in that in those uh, you know, organized of cells
and parts of who you are. No, but you your soul is never
truly inside your body in that sense. Your soul doesn't exist only inside your
body. Your soul is a bridgeway to a whole other world. Your soul
is that which connects you with God, and your connection with God is completely
other than outside the body. The cloning process brings up a whole other set
of questions. Well, that gets into whether God is going to give a
soul to that other living being or whether it's just going to be tissue and
assuming assuming, and this is where science is taking it. Or you can
theoretically have replacement body parts for yourself as long as that other organism does not
have a brain that is allowed to cultivate as part of its development. I
could theoretically have a spare heart or a spare kidney. Range That's that's the
possibility of the path that is being trotted on as we speak. Right,
So if the other organism in fact is allowed to develop a brain does not,
then the consciousness that would have come with that suggest that somehow a different
soul is created for that new being. Well, that would be on its
face where you would intellectually go absolutely. However, the theologically that that is
all man question. Dealing with man. The placement of the soul is a
God question, and there's there is no there's nothing you can go to in
scripture that's going to point out specifically how that category would you know, fit
in, because that category doesn't exist really in scripture. So be that the
only place that the soul could then exist is in the brain. Well,
that's where, that's where, that's where it's understood or actualized in one sense
the way you're experiencing it here. But for instance, in the Book of
Acts, you have Stephen being stoned to death, and there's some language in
there that implies that the body, that the soul was removed prior to the
physical death of Stephen. Yes, so so there there are some that would
say, well, you know, Stephen was still alive maybe physically, but
the spirit had been removed or the soul had been removed prior to that,
maybe as a as a form of compassion by God, and to being brain
dead in a hospital being kept on life support. Possibly. So these are
one of those philosophical categories that go with, you know, many forms of
study. You've got theology implied there, you've got physiology, You've got all
of these things that are going to come together. And this is where understanding
science where science leads And does that mean, you know, does that show
the face of God or does it explain away God or these things? Well,
my statement was that all things that can be understood should be understood,
but how they're applied is where it becomes a moral or ethical issue. And
so just because this knowledge will exist doesn't mean that it should be pursued down
in particular or what seems like the logical path. That's where science and ethics
have to meet. But when it comes to the mechanics, you may mechanically
be able to build a body, but no, no scientists can build a
soul. So they can maybe replicate or use cells to perpetuate more cells,
but scientists don't understand what the soul is or how that activity or how life
they continue to go back to the brain. But they're still trying to find
out how the brain pushes these things, because the brain would be, for
all intents and purposes mechanically a computer, and computers don't feel emotionally. They
can replicate things, but they can't create them in that sense. Even with
artificial intelligence they can make You can make a robot put its eyebrows down like
it's sad, or put them up like it's mad, but it doesn't.
It's not experiencing fear or anger or sadness. That is precisely where it becomes
really difficult for someone like me. But you can appreciate the knowledge of it.
I can appreciate the theology behind the distinction between the spirit world that would
require crystal and I still somehow have never released the idea that there is not
energy, because I really do believe that there is something much greater than us
that somehow is an effect. Oh sure there, and all the things we've
talked about point to that. As a matter of fact, there was scientists
some time ago that created a simple life virus and like in a peatrae dish,
and it was this big deal all over the scientific community. Man has
created life, and the theist went, uh huh, so what and they
went, oh, well, we did it. You don't need God.
And they said, you did what in a certain environment, intelligent life created
life, which is what the theist has been saying since day one that intelligence
comes from intelligence, not from randomness or chaos. And so there's yeah,
there's where my question really is. No, but what as it lies?
As it lies with the pieces in the parts, you're still looking at just
the mechanics. That is, even if they could create an entire human being
that looks exactly like you, it's not going to be you for many reasons,
one of just the mechanical reasons, because you are a product of your
environment as well as your genetics. And so the new environment, if it's
growing in a new place, unless it grew up the exact way at the
exact time in the exact sense that you did, it's going to be different.
So if that's going to be different physically just physiologically different as to how
this being grows and adapts, then one must understand that likewise, whether God
breathes, the word numa or the word spirit comes from the word numa means
to breathe, it literally is the illustration of God putting his mouth on the
mouth of man and putting errand to him. May ask you though, in
the case of the cartilage from my ankle, yes sir, I own the
cartilage, yes, sir. In the case of putting my body stem cells
into some patriot dish that grows up into being a complete human that essentially is
spare parts for me, At what point would I not be then able to
own that other body? And if that other body was actually included a brain,
is it its own sanctioned being? Or should I still have ownership just
as I would over the carlage. Well there, This is where a lot
of those questions, Yeah, but they're get really mighty. There is the
debate at what point is this harvesting of organs of your own organs? Where
does it become a greater debate? And this is what's going on, And
this is why people are arguing saying, Hey, at some point, you're
going to be stepping on the foot of God and you may find as a
people that there you'll get to that state should it, you know, get
that far and and it won't be what you think it's going to be.
And it won't have that, And and it's much further off than people think.
And there are greater problems with the cloning process than people think. And
it's not the spirit is not something in this soul. It's not something that
is going to be an answered question in twenty five, thirty years, six
years whatever they figure out that issue of cloning. No, my issue with
my own soul is then, is there something really here that I need saved?
Is there really something here that really is what is referred to as the
sinful nature? Is there is If the question of the soul becomes such a
basic issue as to how it exists and what it is needed from it,
you may have welcome to Earth to save my soul, as we all understand
it. But does my soul need saving? And the and the answer from
you know it is the Jesus Christ Show. So forgive me for for stating
the obvious, but the answer the answer is yes. Yes, The answer
is yes absolutely, because there are things outside of the mechanics of the biology
you're talking about that that transcend that that sign it has not been able to
even understand or observe properly, things like that. You know, having male
female does not match the evolutionary model. Having a motion does not match the
evolutionary model. The desire to love when it's against a contradictory to the desire
to survive, does not match that evolutionary model. And those are the things
that are outside of the mechanics. So you keep saying, well, if
you build a car, if you build a car, if you build a
car, and I'm saying no, if the engine isn't put in there,
the car means nothing. The car is just physical form. Scripture says,
be fearful not of the person that can kill the flesh, but the person
that can kill the soul. So they're not combined in that sense. Also,
when it talks about birth or you know, people say born again,
they think it's a denomination. It's not. It's a theological term used in
a conversation with me and Nicodemus, and I'm explaining, unless you are born
again, and he says, I got to crawl up into the womb again.
No, born of the water and born of the spirit. It's talking
about being born in the flesh, born of the of the woman, and
then born of God. And there are two separate things. And even if
science makes an entire person of you. That doesn't say whether God is going
to grant that thing a soul, because there are other living things on this
planet without souls. And what happens that, well, it becomes mechanical.
Jeff, Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show. Thank you. My question is
how can someone like me who I am. I am. I probably one
of the biggest sinners there is. I hate to admit that, but I
probably am be reconciled to God who is holy? Well, why is the
what kind of sin is in your life that it weighs on you such?
I mean, are you just in a complete state of rebellion or you're just
a sinner because you're a sinner? Well, I don't know if it's a
sinner because I'm a sinner or anything like that, And I'm really not sure
if it's rebellion. I know that there is a God, and I know
that he is very holy, because sometimes when people ask this, Jeff,
they're talking about something that that has a foothold in their life that continues to
come up. And it's not let I when I say a sinner because you're
a sinner, it's not belittling the sin. I mean, all sin is
bad. It's to understand the difference between while there's something in my life that
I that I'm I've been struggling with for a long time, versus being a
human being and falling short of the mark of God. Well, as you've
just stated in that being human issues with adultery because I am separated but not
legally divorced, I think really don't like that deal or even the word divorced
a. But if you're okay with the word adultery, no, not okay,
we need a one of them, be honest with you, I'm very
sure God is not okay, would neither one of them as well. Well,
it's really about you know, the term repentance. And you hear this
all the time, and it's this, you know, very religious sounding word,
but Jeff, it really just means to turn away from. And if
you if you think of it this way, imagine a pillar, a big
marble pillar, and it's in front of you all the time, and all
of a sudden it's not in front of you. That's because you changed.
Chances are the pillar doesn't move, and that's how God is. So if
God's not in your vision, and God's not in your view, it's because
you've turned away from God, not because God's turned away from you. So
the first thing to do is to get on a path where you are seeking
God and seeking God's face and seeking God's will. That's what's imperative. That's
also one of the reasons why I called to speak with someone like yourself,
who is much more in tune with His ways and his will than I am
or ever probably ever have ben. But yet I want to be well,
there's a big there's a big cheat sheet. It's a it's made up of
over sixty books. It's written over a span of yes or a span of
one hundred or fifteen hundred years, by three forty authors. Are so thirty
continent or three continents, times of peace, times of war. I mean,
there's a there's a big book there that will help you understand things.
And there's an old there's an old saying that sin will keep you from the
Bible, but the Bible will keep you from sin. So if you spend
time in scripture and you spend time with God, that's how you get to
know God better, and that's how you learn to see you're missing the mark.
It's like shedding a little light on the situation. Turn the light on
first, see what needs to be cleaned to what needs to be done,
and spend time with God. Build a relationship and turn away from those things.
Don't you don't. You're bigger than that. You don't have to fall
into adultery or things like that. You build your life in a way that
you don't stumble into those things. Otherwise they'll get a hold of you.
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