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You're listening to kf I am six
on demand. Chip. Welcome to the

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Jesus Christ Show. Hello Jesus,
my brother. What's going on? Roughly?

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I don't know. Ten years ago, I was heavily involved in a

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cell church and things were going great, and then all of a sudden,

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my prayer life became I don't know, for lack of a better description,

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putting my prayer in a bucket that
disappeared into the black distance. And when

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it started to happen, I recognized
it immediately because I was so used to

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feeling the presence of God just in
you know. I mean, I've drive

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him to work, I talked to
him and you know, going go on.

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I just you know, always talked
to him and he was always there

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and whatever. And then this started
and I recognized the changed immediately, and

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I prayed with even more, with
even more vigor. And you know,

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I said, you know, what
am I doing wrong? I know it's

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me, because it's not him.
It had to be me. What have

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I done? What did I do? What am I doing? You know?

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Uh? You know I asked my
friends to do the same. My

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friends paid with me and for me, and you know I was you know,

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drop a bus on me, whatever
it take to open my mind or

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my eyes or my heart or whatever
I've done. And finally, after about

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five years of doing this, I
just kind of I don't know. I'm

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I'm wondering if I'm just full of
bologney, you know, I'm I'm I'm

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wondering, you know, is this
what it's Do most Christians not feel the

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presence of God? Was it my
imagination? You know? It depends how

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how you're feeling. I am,
Chip. I mean, are you saying

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that you felt God when it was
attached to certain things that you got that

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you wanted, No, just mowing
the lawn. He was just there.

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How has that changed? I don't. I don't, I you know,

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I don't know. I mean,
the celt Church was a part of fell

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apart, but we joined another one
and that didn't go real well either.

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But then sometimes when I hear those
things, here's the rule, Chip,

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straight out. If you are standing
in front of a building and you see

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it in front of your face,
and it's right there, and then all

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of a sudden, a couple of
years later, you don't see that building,

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the likelihood of that building getting up
and moving is slim right, it's

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it's it's you that's moved exactly.
So there you're the one. The pillar

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of God stands firm. If you're
not seeing God, usually it's because you've

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moved away for some reason. And
if you get caught up in the movement

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of a church or the movement of
a body, or a particular teacher or

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anything, you get caught up just
in that you lose the beauty of what's

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really going on. And it doesn't
mean that there aren't wonderful you know,

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groups or churches or teachers that have
great followings. It's not about that.

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It's if you get caught up in
the movement though. If you just get

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cut up in that experience experience,
then it becomes, you know, simply

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about the experience and less about God. And sometimes people go for that feeling.

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It's like we say on the program
that happiness is a momentary feeling of

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joy due to happening. So people
confuse happiness for joy sometimes, and happiness

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is and joy, joy is constant. It's always there. It's for those

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who understand that it's there even in
bad times. It's not something that,

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oh, someone gave me a cake, someone gave me money. Oh,

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things are going my way, therefore
I'm happy. It's always their joy is

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the pure understanding and acceptance of existing
and the complexity and the intensity of what

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that means why I exist. That
is a wonderful, wonderful thing in good

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times and bad so for believers.
Often you can get wrapped up in an

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experience or a particular church, and
I hear people all the time chip that

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will will say, hey, you
know what, my pastor left, or

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my pastor retired. I heard recently
of a pastor who retired and has to

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tell people, you know, have
signs and stuff, say please respect my

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retirement because people didn't want to let
him go, right, and and he

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had done God's work and he's he
needs to spend time with his family and

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himself, and and people were just
like at his door thinking and that becomes

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a form of idol worship. That
becomes, you know, people losing the

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truth of who God is and thinking
that God has only can only be seen

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or only be felt through certain things. Right, you know, we you

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know, we hope the show lasts
a long time. We hope God is

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using it and why we're here.
However, people's faith should not be built

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upon this program now the faith that
faith should always be in the Father and

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this end absolutely. So where is
he? So, where is he in

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your life that you're not seeing him, feeling, tasting, experiencing God.

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Well, that's what's funny, is
is he's really I mean what I used

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to take as I'm not making any
sense, it's everywhere. I mean,

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it's in the fact that I'm sitting
on my back porch hitting my beautiful dog.

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It's you know, it's in the
fact that my daughters are inside pickering

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over a video game. You know, good good. Those are things exactly,

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those are the things that you should
be uh, experiencing and taking the

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simplicity. Yeah you know that that. Yeah, I guess I could hit

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you just get used to it.
And this is it's it's too easy to

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go, ah, well, God's
there. Especially when God is there and

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God's really present in your life,
you take it for granted. And that's

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why people say, oh, why
am I going through these trials, because

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it's the only time you recognize being
Having a little distance from God truly makes

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you go, oh my gosh,
God is gone. It's not oh well,

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I don't really feel him. No, God is there when when it

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just God takes enough to go on
the head of a pin out of your

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life and you will feel as if
the bottom has dropped out. Yea,

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and perhaps yeah, it's just you
have to appreciate that that he's there,

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and you have to see it a
little different. Sometimes building the steps Chip,

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people will say, oh, this
guy does such and such and I

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want to I want to do that
too, or you know, people see

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a huge company that's successful and they
go, oh, all I've got to

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do is you know, well,
that's a coffee house and they make tons

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of money. I just have to
make coffee on a street corner and have

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a cute logo and some scones and
I'm going to be rich. I'm going

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to be a wealthy miser. Yeah, but it's not People will forget.

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People see success Chip and they try
and copy success. Never copy success,

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always copy the path to success,
which is very different. A lot of

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times it's years and years and years
of straining and toiling and trying to figure

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out a proper recipe or a proper
path, or raising the money or doing

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all these things of it. No
lady sees that. They just see the

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end result and they go, oh, this is all I have to do.

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I have to open a shop and
I have to put coffee in it.

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No, there was there was steps
prior to that that were the most

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important part, not the end result. Sometimes it's so easy to see the

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end result, or get used to
the end result that you forget the steps

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it takes to get there, and
in forgetting that, you lose all of

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it. Emron, Welcome to the
Jesus Christ Show. Thanks so much for

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taking my call, my pleasure.
We got just a couple of minutes here.

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So what's up, perfect I was
wondering if you could deliverate in the

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verse for me, Matthew, Chapter
six, verse twenty two, and I'll

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take that off the year. Okay, thank you. Well, what a

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courteous caller. Chapter twenty two.
So here you're looking at me talking about

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wealth, and it starts out in
nineteen. We'll push back because I always

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tell you to understand something. You
want to read before it and you want

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to read after it. So it
started verse nineteen, do not lay up

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for yourself treasures upon earth, where
moth and rust destroy, and where thieves

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break in and steel. Then we'll
jump to verse twenty two, which is

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the one in question by you.
The lamp of the body is the eye.

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If therefore your eye is clear,
your whole body will be full of

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light. But if your eye is
bad, your whole body will be full

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of darkness. If therefore the light
that is in your darkness, that is

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in you is darkness, how great
is the darkness? So this is me

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getting upset at the Pharisees. And
the Pharisees were very big on gathering wealth,

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getting as much as they can and
gathering wealth. My point or was

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that they were serving two masters,
and that they were they were not They

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were not able to use faith or
understand faith because they were never in need

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of God. They always supplied their
own stuff. They always got their own

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stuff. So the passage here describing
the eye is talking about if they're only

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looking at wealth. Imagine the old
concept of having rose colored glasses. Well,

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if you have rose colored glasses,
everything you see will be rose colored.

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So if you are lusting after and
coveting after stuff, then you now

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the window to your soul. Your
eyes is now taking in only that lust

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and covetiousness for things, and not
learning about the necessity of God providing or

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any of those things, and then
it goes on to say that you're serving

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two masters, because it's showing that
they're serving wealth and the gathering of wealth

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and God when they have time,
and so it's splitting them. The darkness

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comes from the eye being sick.
This is implying that their eyes are sick

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because their eyes are bent on gain
and constantly getting wealth, and they can't

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see anything. If you've seen somebody
gambling or somebody who makes a lot of

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money, and all they think about
is making money, making money, making

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money, their eyes look dead like
that. They're not thinking about anything outside

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of it, and therefore the inside
of them is dark as well. That's

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what it's talking about. Joe,
Welcome to Jesus Christ Show. Hello,

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and thank you very very much for
your sacrifice. I've read the accounts of

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your apostles on your comments on the
hypocrisy of the Pharisees and the Sodyssees,

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and I now follow your instruction for
prayer. But my question today is on

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the role of churches and religion everywhere
I look nowadays. My understanding of the

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churches and religion is the primary goal
is the salvation of men souls, but

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everywhere you look, and there are
churches involved and liberation theology and help with

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the environment, and global warming and
immigration and social justice. What's going on

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with the churches. So you're concerned
with the church being involved in what would

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normally fall into politics, Yes,
okay, I think it's fair, and

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I'll address it specifically and then generally
as well. First, generally, it's

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imperative that that churches are involved in
many aspects of what's going on in the

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world. It's it's helpful. However, there are times where the church becomes

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lazy and they forget that their job
is to change hearts, not laws,

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and that if you if you change
hearts, the laws will follow. So

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it's easier to change a law than
it is to change the heart of man.

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So a lot of times churches focus
on the political and they lose their

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path. However, you mentioned some
specifics global warming and the like. Well,

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outside of the politics of that,
you know, whether it's happening or

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not or any of those things.
You are called throughout scripture to be good

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stewards of that which is in front
of you, and to be a good

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steward of the planet is to be
reasonable, to be a good steward to

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a human kind is reasonable and completely
biblical. However, those issues you raise

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are hot button issues and become political
and politicized very quickly. And what happens

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is they become emotional rather than intellectual, and people stop being rational about Okay,

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well this is what we need to
do, and you should be able

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to protect this or to protect that
or any of these things, and it

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becomes an emotional issue and that becomes
a problem. And then the church puts

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their impromotur on it, and it
looks like, oh, well, the

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church is saying, well, we
believe this, and then this particular Protestant

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church is saying we believe this,
and that becomes very, very problematic,

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and now the church loses its place, which is the spiritual company and the

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compass of righteousness in the community,
and now becomes just another pundit and another

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politico and another voice spouting things on
one side or the other. And my

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response always has been, give to
Caesar what is Caesar's and give to God

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what is God's. So people get
lost in those things, and unfortunately there's

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not the balance. Sometimes there's people
that say, hey, Joe, and

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you maybe one of them. I
don't want them near any political things,

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and that's not fair either. The
churches in the community plays a part of

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the community and is raising the community
and has a stake in it. And

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therefore the best thing a church can
do is raise people up in the way

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they should be. Raise them,
teach them the right things, teach them

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what the biblical and scriptural decisions are
on things, and let them make the

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decisions out as they are in doing
civil things and being part of their civic

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duty. That's what's important. When
the church gets too involved, yes,

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that is a huge problem. Rafael, Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show.

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Hello Jesus, Hi. I've had
a question for some time about how the

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soul or spirit actually exists within the
body, and then it leads me to

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the question of if it exists within
the body. So, in a word,

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assuming we each has individual souls,
in the event of let's say,

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an amputated limb, or if you
donate a heart or another organ like a

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kidney, does any of your soul
go with those parts or does the remaining

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body have any lesser soul and the
result of given up a kidney for instance.

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No excellent question, but no,
you throughout scripture it refers to ashes

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to ashes. Dust to dust refers
to the clay, you know, the

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creator using you as clay and your
body being clay, the flesh being a

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container of vessel reeling. And if
you imagine it, it's like saying,

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if you donated your car as part
of you leave with the car. No,

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you get out of the car and
then it's just a shell. It's

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what you use to move your body
around in this world, while your body

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is what moves your soul around in
this world. Well, this is where

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it gets a little complicated for me. Okay, years ago, I had

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an ankle injury and my orthopedic surgeon
made the suggestion that he could take a

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couple cells of my cartilage out of
my body, put it in a petri

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dish and let it grow, and
as it would develop into a larger amount

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of cartilage, you could then reinsert
it and repair my ankle. So,

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while that cartilage is out of my
body, it is existing human tissue and

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it never died, it never stopped. In fact, it's growing. So

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if in the very near future,
a science is able to take one or

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two other cells of my body and
create a clone of being. Does that

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other grouping of now very complicated human
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soul. Well, this is where
the argument goes. Now, how how

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it pertains to your question and the
specifics of your question. No, your

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soul is not in that in those
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and parts of who you are.
No, but you your soul is never

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truly inside your body in that sense. Your soul doesn't exist only inside your

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body. Your soul is a bridgeway
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is that which connects you with God, and your connection with God is completely

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other than outside the body. The
cloning process brings up a whole other set

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of questions. Well, that gets
into whether God is going to give a

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soul to that other living being or
whether it's just going to be tissue and

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assuming assuming, and this is where
science is taking it. Or you can

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theoretically have replacement body parts for yourself
as long as that other organism does not

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have a brain that is allowed to
cultivate as part of its development. I

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could theoretically have a spare heart or
a spare kidney. Range That's that's the

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possibility of the path that is being
trotted on as we speak. Right,

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So if the other organism in fact
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then the consciousness that would have come
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soul is created for that new being. Well, that would be on its

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face where you would intellectually go absolutely. However, the theologically that that is

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all man question. Dealing with man. The placement of the soul is a

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God question, and there's there is
no there's nothing you can go to in

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scripture that's going to point out specifically
how that category would you know, fit

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in, because that category doesn't exist
really in scripture. So be that the

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only place that the soul could then
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that's where, that's where, that's
where it's understood or actualized in one sense

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the way you're experiencing it here.
But for instance, in the Book of

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Acts, you have Stephen being stoned
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there that implies that the body,
that the soul was removed prior to the

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physical death of Stephen. Yes,
so so there there are some that would

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say, well, you know,
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the spirit had been removed or the
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maybe as a as a form of
compassion by God, and to being brain

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dead in a hospital being kept on
life support. Possibly. So these are

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one of those philosophical categories that go
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study. You've got theology implied there, you've got physiology, You've got all

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of these things that are going to
come together. And this is where understanding

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science where science leads And does that
mean, you know, does that show

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the face of God or does it
explain away God or these things? Well,

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my statement was that all things that
can be understood should be understood,

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but how they're applied is where it
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so just because this knowledge will exist
doesn't mean that it should be pursued down

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in particular or what seems like the
logical path. That's where science and ethics

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have to meet. But when it
comes to the mechanics, you may mechanically

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be able to build a body,
but no, no scientists can build a

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soul. So they can maybe replicate
or use cells to perpetuate more cells,

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but scientists don't understand what the soul
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they continue to go back to the
brain. But they're still trying to find

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out how the brain pushes these things, because the brain would be, for

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all intents and purposes mechanically a computer, and computers don't feel emotionally. They

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can replicate things, but they can't
create them in that sense. Even with

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artificial intelligence they can make You can
make a robot put its eyebrows down like

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it's sad, or put them up
like it's mad, but it doesn't.

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It's not experiencing fear or anger or
sadness. That is precisely where it becomes

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really difficult for someone like me.
But you can appreciate the knowledge of it.

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I can appreciate the theology behind the
distinction between the spirit world that would

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require crystal and I still somehow have
never released the idea that there is not

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energy, because I really do believe
that there is something much greater than us

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that somehow is an effect. Oh
sure there, and all the things we've

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talked about point to that. As
a matter of fact, there was scientists

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some time ago that created a simple
life virus and like in a peatrae dish,

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and it was this big deal all
over the scientific community. Man has

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created life, and the theist went, uh huh, so what and they

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went, oh, well, we
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And they said, you did what
in a certain environment, intelligent life created

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life, which is what the theist
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comes from intelligence, not from randomness
or chaos. And so there's yeah,

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there's where my question really is.
No, but what as it lies?

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As it lies with the pieces in
the parts, you're still looking at just

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the mechanics. That is, even
if they could create an entire human being

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that looks exactly like you, it's
not going to be you for many reasons,

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one of just the mechanical reasons,
because you are a product of your

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environment as well as your genetics.
And so the new environment, if it's

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growing in a new place, unless
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exact time in the exact sense that
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So if that's going to be different
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this being grows and adapts, then
one must understand that likewise, whether God

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breathes, the word numa or the
word spirit comes from the word numa means

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to breathe, it literally is the
illustration of God putting his mouth on the

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mouth of man and putting errand to
him. May ask you though, in

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the case of the cartilage from my
ankle, yes sir, I own the

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cartilage, yes, sir. In
the case of putting my body stem cells

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into some patriot dish that grows up
into being a complete human that essentially is

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spare parts for me, At what
point would I not be then able to

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own that other body? And if
that other body was actually included a brain,

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is it its own sanctioned being?
Or should I still have ownership just

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as I would over the carlage.
Well there, This is where a lot

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of those questions, Yeah, but
they're get really mighty. There is the

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debate at what point is this harvesting
of organs of your own organs? Where

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does it become a greater debate?
And this is what's going on, And

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this is why people are arguing saying, Hey, at some point, you're

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going to be stepping on the foot
of God and you may find as a

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people that there you'll get to that
state should it, you know, get

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that far and and it won't be
what you think it's going to be.

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And it won't have that, And
and it's much further off than people think.

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And there are greater problems with the
cloning process than people think. And

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it's not the spirit is not something
in this soul. It's not something that

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is going to be an answered question
in twenty five, thirty years, six

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years whatever they figure out that issue
of cloning. No, my issue with

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my own soul is then, is
there something really here that I need saved?

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Is there really something here that really
is what is referred to as the

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sinful nature? Is there is If
the question of the soul becomes such a

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basic issue as to how it exists
and what it is needed from it,

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you may have welcome to Earth to
save my soul, as we all understand

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it. But does my soul need
saving? And the and the answer from

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you know it is the Jesus Christ
Show. So forgive me for for stating

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the obvious, but the answer the
answer is yes. Yes, The answer

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is yes absolutely, because there are
things outside of the mechanics of the biology

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you're talking about that that transcend that
that sign it has not been able to

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even understand or observe properly, things
like that. You know, having male

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female does not match the evolutionary model. Having a motion does not match the

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evolutionary model. The desire to love
when it's against a contradictory to the desire

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to survive, does not match that
evolutionary model. And those are the things

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that are outside of the mechanics.
So you keep saying, well, if

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you build a car, if you
build a car, if you build a

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car, and I'm saying no,
if the engine isn't put in there,

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the car means nothing. The car
is just physical form. Scripture says,

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be fearful not of the person that
can kill the flesh, but the person

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that can kill the soul. So
they're not combined in that sense. Also,

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when it talks about birth or you
know, people say born again,

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they think it's a denomination. It's
not. It's a theological term used in

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a conversation with me and Nicodemus,
and I'm explaining, unless you are born

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again, and he says, I
got to crawl up into the womb again.

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No, born of the water and
born of the spirit. It's talking

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about being born in the flesh,
born of the of the woman, and

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then born of God. And there
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science makes an entire person of you. That doesn't say whether God is going

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to grant that thing a soul,
because there are other living things on this

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planet without souls. And what happens
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Jeff, Welcome to the Jesus Christ
Show. Thank you. My question is

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how can someone like me who I
am. I am. I probably one

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of the biggest sinners there is.
I hate to admit that, but I

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probably am be reconciled to God who
is holy? Well, why is the

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what kind of sin is in your
life that it weighs on you such?

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I mean, are you just in
a complete state of rebellion or you're just

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a sinner because you're a sinner?
Well, I don't know if it's a

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sinner because I'm a sinner or anything
like that, And I'm really not sure

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if it's rebellion. I know that
there is a God, and I know

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that he is very holy, because
sometimes when people ask this, Jeff,

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they're talking about something that that has
a foothold in their life that continues to

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come up. And it's not let
I when I say a sinner because you're

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a sinner, it's not belittling the
sin. I mean, all sin is

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bad. It's to understand the difference
between while there's something in my life that

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I that I'm I've been struggling with
for a long time, versus being a

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human being and falling short of the
mark of God. Well, as you've

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just stated in that being human issues
with adultery because I am separated but not

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legally divorced, I think really don't
like that deal or even the word divorced

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a. But if you're okay with
the word adultery, no, not okay,

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we need a one of them,
be honest with you, I'm very

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sure God is not okay, would
neither one of them as well. Well,

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it's really about you know, the
term repentance. And you hear this

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all the time, and it's this, you know, very religious sounding word,

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but Jeff, it really just means
to turn away from. And if

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you if you think of it this
way, imagine a pillar, a big

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marble pillar, and it's in front
of you all the time, and all

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of a sudden it's not in front
of you. That's because you changed.

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Chances are the pillar doesn't move,
and that's how God is. So if

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God's not in your vision, and
God's not in your view, it's because

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you've turned away from God, not
because God's turned away from you. So

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the first thing to do is to
get on a path where you are seeking

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God and seeking God's face and seeking
God's will. That's what's imperative. That's

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also one of the reasons why I
called to speak with someone like yourself,

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who is much more in tune with
His ways and his will than I am

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or ever probably ever have ben.
But yet I want to be well,

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there's a big there's a big cheat
sheet. It's a it's made up of

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over sixty books. It's written over
a span of yes or a span of

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one hundred or fifteen hundred years,
by three forty authors. Are so thirty

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continent or three continents, times of
peace, times of war. I mean,

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there's a there's a big book there
that will help you understand things.

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And there's an old there's an old
saying that sin will keep you from the

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Bible, but the Bible will keep
you from sin. So if you spend

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time in scripture and you spend time
with God, that's how you get to

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know God better, and that's how
you learn to see you're missing the mark.

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It's like shedding a little light on
the situation. Turn the light on

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first, see what needs to be
cleaned to what needs to be done,

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and spend time with God. Build
a relationship and turn away from those things.

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Don't you don't. You're bigger than
that. You don't have to fall

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into adultery or things like that.
You build your life in a way that

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you don't stumble into those things.
Otherwise they'll get a hold of you.

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Kf I am six on demand