1 00:00:01,840 --> 00:00:06,280 Check it out college football on the West Coast. This is Get Off My 2 00:00:06,480 --> 00:00:10,880 Pylon, a look at the PAC twelve and more, part of the College 3 00:00:10,919 --> 00:00:16,960 Gridiron Coast to Coast podcast network. Here's your host, Matt Zimmon. Welcome 4 00:00:17,079 --> 00:00:20,800 to the latest edition of Get Off My Pilon College football podcast. This is 5 00:00:20,839 --> 00:00:24,960 your host, Matt Zemk, part of the College Gridiron Coast to Coast podcast 6 00:00:25,039 --> 00:00:31,719 network, focusing on western college football in the United States. So here we've 7 00:00:31,879 --> 00:00:37,960 arrived Conference Championship week, also the final week in the Heisman Trophy race, 8 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:43,000 since you know Army Navy is not gonna have any Heisman implications this year, 9 00:00:43,079 --> 00:00:48,200 and you did have Keenan Reynolds several years ago being part of the Heisman discussion. 10 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:51,759 And a side note, you know Yards and Stripes is the College Gridiron 11 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:55,880 Coast to Coast podcast for the Service Academy, So you want to listen to 12 00:00:56,560 --> 00:01:00,719 that podcast if you want Army Navy Air Force content. But we're Folcus on 13 00:01:00,719 --> 00:01:04,879 the West. We've arrived at Conference Championship Week. The appetizer in the Mountain 14 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:11,200 West Boise State and UNLV San Jose State beats UNLV to create a three way 15 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:18,719 tie. The computers computer rankings decided the three way tie and Boise State got 16 00:01:18,719 --> 00:01:23,200 in ahead of San Jose State. Boise State did beat San Jose State head 17 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:27,200 to head, so you know that makes sense as well. And you know 18 00:01:27,319 --> 00:01:33,519 air Force and Fresno State in command of the conference through November fourth, but 19 00:01:33,599 --> 00:01:38,359 they both fell off the map these last few weeks. And so it's Boise 20 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:42,920 State against UNLV. Boise State when an interim head coach might be made the 21 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:49,879 permanent head coach, we shall see about that. Against Barry Odom and the 22 00:01:49,959 --> 00:01:55,439 UNLV running Rebels. What a story those guys have fashioned. And you know 23 00:01:55,599 --> 00:01:59,879 UNLV had its foot in the door for this conference championship game. So the 24 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:04,079 idea that UNLV had to pull out all the stops against San Jose State, 25 00:02:04,159 --> 00:02:08,800 No, it didn't like San Jose State was playing for much higher stakes in 26 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:14,719 that game against UNLV. So I wouldn't necessarily say that because UNLV didn't play 27 00:02:14,759 --> 00:02:17,319 well against San Jose State that the Rebels are going to get rolled by Boise 28 00:02:17,319 --> 00:02:21,879 State. I don't think you can glean too much from that game heading into 29 00:02:21,919 --> 00:02:24,199 the Mountain West championship game, but this much can be said. You know, 30 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:29,080 Boise State kicked air Force up and down the field for most of that 31 00:02:29,159 --> 00:02:31,919 game in Boise It's hard to bet against the Broncos with pedigree that they have. 32 00:02:32,439 --> 00:02:37,960 They have Andy Avolos out of there. Seems as though that's a very 33 00:02:38,199 --> 00:02:42,840 unified, cohesive team right now, I would not bet against Boise State. 34 00:02:42,919 --> 00:02:46,439 But of course that's not the main reason you came to get off my pylon. 35 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:52,159 We're focused on the Pac twelve, the big throwdown Las Vegas, Friday 36 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:58,719 Night, December first, Oregon Washington. The rematch. The winner very if 37 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:02,520 Washington wins, a lock for the College Football Playoffs. If Oregon wins, 38 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:07,840 the Ducks are very likely in We will see if there's a plot twist in 39 00:03:07,879 --> 00:03:12,280 the SEC championship game between Georgia and Alabama. But you know that's for Saturday 40 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:15,919 Friday Night. It's all about Oregon and Washington, these bitter rivals in a 41 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:21,400 rematch. The Ducks get this on neutral ground in Vegas. They don't have 42 00:03:21,439 --> 00:03:24,000 to go up to Seattle and Husky Stadium, where the Huskies want to thirty 43 00:03:24,039 --> 00:03:29,960 six thirty three thrower the first time out. So let's just pick apart this 44 00:03:30,159 --> 00:03:31,879 game. At the end of the Pac twelve season, and I know that 45 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:38,280 we have coaching carousel items. We can get to those at another point in 46 00:03:38,319 --> 00:03:42,599 time. We can mention Chip Kelly being retained by UCLA. We don't have 47 00:03:42,599 --> 00:03:47,199 any news yet as we're recording this podcast on whether USC has hired a defensive 48 00:03:47,199 --> 00:03:53,080 coordinator like that hasn't happened just yet. We have Jonathan Smith leaving Oregon State 49 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:57,240 to go to Michigan State. That is directly a result of the PAC twelve 50 00:03:57,360 --> 00:04:01,159 dying. You know PAC twelve was staying intact. Jonathan Smith probably doesn't leave 51 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:05,560 Port Vallas since he did like it there, but now that job's being downgraded, 52 00:04:06,439 --> 00:04:13,840 so Jonathan Smith goes to Michigan State. Arizona finishes its regular season nine 53 00:04:13,879 --> 00:04:16,639 to three, scores fifty nine against Arizona State, playing some of the best 54 00:04:16,639 --> 00:04:24,920 football in the country. Twenty twenty three Arizona is basically twenty sixteen USC Noah 55 00:04:24,959 --> 00:04:30,319 Fafita and Sam Darnold. You can draw a very clear cut comparison between those 56 00:04:30,319 --> 00:04:35,519 two players today and seven years ago for the Trojans. Very similar stories, 57 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:41,879 very similar developmental arcs for those two teams. You know, the coaches didn't 58 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:46,279 identify the right starting quarterback on Day one, but as soon as they made 59 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:49,879 the switch, and of course, in Arizona's case it was because of an 60 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:55,680 injury. USC's case of just Clay Helton didn't choose the right guy and he 61 00:04:55,759 --> 00:04:59,879 corrected his mistake just in time. But with Arizona, it was Jayden de 62 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:03,800 Laura getting injured which opened the door for Noah Fafita. Arizona became a completely 63 00:05:03,800 --> 00:05:10,560 different team after he took over. And Arizona is nine to three. So 64 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:14,800 those are the interesting stories in the Pac twelve. But they're all sidebars and 65 00:05:14,879 --> 00:05:20,800 they come second to Oregon Washington bow Knicks versus Michael Pennix. With the Heisman 66 00:05:20,879 --> 00:05:27,879 Trophy very much in the balance with Jaden Daniels the other main candidate, this 67 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:33,000 could be a Heisman Trophy playoff game as well as a college football playoff play 68 00:05:33,040 --> 00:05:38,639 in game. You know, winner gets in. So like you have everything 69 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:43,959 going on in this game, everything on the line in this game. Oregon 70 00:05:44,079 --> 00:05:46,680 installed as a nine point favorite. Now that's an eye opening line. You 71 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:54,839 know, Washington's the unbeaten team. Oregon's getting nine is minus nine, so 72 00:05:54,959 --> 00:06:00,959 giving nine not at Wattson Stadium, you know, in Las Vegas, on 73 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:06,519 a neutral field, definitely a line that has caught the attention of a lot 74 00:06:06,519 --> 00:06:12,920 of people. And yet, and yet, does that line really seem unreasonable 75 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:16,680 as a measurement of what might happen in this game, because Oregon has been 76 00:06:16,959 --> 00:06:25,639 significantly better than Washington over the past several weeks since their meeting on October fourteenth, 77 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:30,199 Oregon has been dominated. Oregon cleaned up Oregon State like it was just 78 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:33,439 no problem. It was a walk in the park. And Oregon, similarly, 79 00:06:33,519 --> 00:06:36,639 you know, handled usc very easily. I know, the final margin 80 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:42,319 there was only nine thirty six twenty seven, but Oregon led twenty nine to 81 00:06:42,319 --> 00:06:45,959 seven in that game, was up twenty two, just kind of cruised in 82 00:06:46,879 --> 00:06:51,439 to the harbor, didn't play its best, but was never remotely threatened in 83 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:58,639 that game. Oregon's been applying beatdowns and Washington has been skating by. The 84 00:06:59,279 --> 00:07:04,920 Huskies barely win the Apple Cup on a medium length field goal at the gun. 85 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:09,519 You know, in Washington State is not going to a bowl game, 86 00:07:09,639 --> 00:07:15,399 Washington State finishing five and seven. Washington beat a five and seven team by 87 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:19,079 a field goal at the very end of the game. Washington has been playing 88 00:07:19,199 --> 00:07:25,759 very sloppy, very uneven football. Beat Oregon State by only two on a 89 00:07:25,839 --> 00:07:31,279 night when Oregon State was extremely sloppy. So like Washington is getting here's the 90 00:07:31,279 --> 00:07:35,920 thing with Washington. Washington is getting the best effort from its opponents, but 91 00:07:36,079 --> 00:07:42,439 Washington is not getting the best performances from its opponents. Like Oregon State left 92 00:07:42,439 --> 00:07:46,160 points in the field, Washington State left points on the field. Arizona State 93 00:07:46,240 --> 00:07:51,079 from several weeks ago left points on the field. Arizona State missed multiple field 94 00:07:51,079 --> 00:07:56,720 goals in that fifteen to seven game. You know, Washington's offense did not 95 00:07:56,759 --> 00:08:00,800 score a single touchdown in that game against Arizona State. If the Sun Devils 96 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:05,160 just make field goals, they might have won that game. So Washington is 97 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:11,600 struggling to win against opponents who are also making mistakes. That Utah game that 98 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:16,680 Washington won thirty five twenty eight, Utah made a lot of big mistakes in 99 00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:22,240 that game. You know, there was there was that almost pick six where 100 00:08:22,399 --> 00:08:24,800 Washington, you know, going into the end zone, drops the ball on 101 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:28,399 the two yard line. But Utah was on the verge of taking the lead 102 00:08:30,199 --> 00:08:33,679 and Bryson Barnes, you know, the not the QB one for Utah. 103 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:39,960 That's what should have been came rising Bryson Barnes throws an awful interception, but 104 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:45,039 Utah was on the verge of taking the lead midway through the second half before 105 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:50,240 that play. So Washington has just been living on the edge week after week, 106 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:56,759 and so that nine point line for Oregon it might seem unreasonable, but 107 00:08:56,279 --> 00:09:03,200 there is that sense that after Washington has been cheating the odds week after week, 108 00:09:03,279 --> 00:09:05,480 you know, just been living on the right side of the tracks, 109 00:09:05,519 --> 00:09:11,399 getting the ball to bounce its way, and a lot of fifty to fifty 110 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:16,960 situations, it could all just cave in on the Huskies here in Oregon, 111 00:09:16,360 --> 00:09:20,720 which has been the more consistent team over the course of twelve full games. 112 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:24,720 Oregon's just gonna apply the SmackDown. You also have the reality that you know 113 00:09:24,799 --> 00:09:30,720 Oregon is going to be the team seeking revenge. It's easier for the team 114 00:09:30,720 --> 00:09:33,600 that lost the first meeting when you have a reunion. It's easier for the 115 00:09:35,159 --> 00:09:39,240 team that lost game one to be hungry for game two. In a way 116 00:09:39,279 --> 00:09:43,159 that you know Washington badly wants to win this game. You know the Huskies 117 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:46,679 are going to try their hardest, but Oregon's just gonna have a natural built 118 00:09:46,679 --> 00:09:52,559 in advantage just because of the situation, just because the way this game sets 119 00:09:52,639 --> 00:09:56,279 up for Oregon. So when you think about all those things, and when 120 00:09:56,279 --> 00:10:00,320 you think about the idea that you know, Washington's luck might run out out, 121 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:05,159 you know, talking about like regression to the mean or the odds evening 122 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:09,960 out. Maybe that's why Vegas has Oregon is a nine point favorite. It's 123 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:13,200 not nearly as wild as you might first think. You know, maybe you 124 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:18,879 look at that line initially and you're blown away, You're caught way off guard. 125 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:20,799 But then you think about it for a minute, and then for two 126 00:10:20,799 --> 00:10:24,759 minutes, and then for three minutes. Huh, you know what, Actually 127 00:10:24,799 --> 00:10:31,039 that might make some sense. And so when we when we get down to 128 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:33,759 brass tacks in this game, there are a few things to consider. One 129 00:10:33,799 --> 00:10:39,320 is, both Washington's and Oregon's field goal kickers have been struggling. Now, 130 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:43,159 Washington won the Apple Cup over Wazoo on a on a walk off field goal 131 00:10:43,159 --> 00:10:48,720 at the end, but mister shorty earlier in that game, and Washington's kicker 132 00:10:48,759 --> 00:10:54,919 had missed three straight you know before coming through in the clutch at the very 133 00:10:54,000 --> 00:11:00,519 end. And Oregon's kicker also missed a missed a relatively short field goal in 134 00:11:00,559 --> 00:11:03,320 the Civil War game against Oregon State last Friday. And of course, how 135 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:09,639 did the Oregon Washington game on October fourteenth end. It ended with Oregon missing 136 00:11:09,879 --> 00:11:15,360 a field goal, So, you know, and what do we remember from 137 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:18,720 that first Oregon Washington game. We remember Dan Lanning going for a fourth and 138 00:11:18,799 --> 00:11:22,840 three, fourth and four, you know, not just fourth and inches, 139 00:11:22,879 --> 00:11:28,159 but like fourth and three, fourth and four instead of taking field goals. 140 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:35,320 Well, if Oregon's field goal kicker is struggling to this extent, we're going 141 00:11:35,399 --> 00:11:39,799 to see a number of coaches in this game, Lanning and Kayleeb de Boer 142 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:43,360 going for it on fourth and three and fourth and four, and it's going 143 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:50,080 to be harder to criticize them because they're seeing their kickers struggle to such a 144 00:11:50,159 --> 00:11:56,720 significant extent. There's gonna be a lot of fourth down aggression in this game, 145 00:11:56,919 --> 00:12:00,120 and or at least we certainly need to be prepared for that. And 146 00:12:00,159 --> 00:12:03,480 the idea that hey, take the three points, take the field goal, 147 00:12:03,519 --> 00:12:05,679 play it safe. Well, if your field goal kicker is not someone you 148 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:11,879 can trust, is it playing it safe to kick like a forty yard field 149 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:15,639 goal or even a thirty five yard field goal on fourth and three or do 150 00:12:15,679 --> 00:12:18,919 you give the ball to Michael Pennix. Do you give the ball to bow 151 00:12:18,039 --> 00:12:22,720 Nicks and trust that they're going to be able to get three yards. It's 152 00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:30,519 gonna be fascinating to see, situationally, how the coaches handle high leverage situations, 153 00:12:30,559 --> 00:12:35,200 how they handle fourth down situations. That's gonna be an obvious point of 154 00:12:35,279 --> 00:12:41,679 interest in this game. Moving beyond that, moving beyond the kicking game and 155 00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:46,600 the fourth downs is the reality that you know, Michael Pennix has looked ragged. 156 00:12:46,799 --> 00:12:52,639 He has not been a smooth, polished quarterback for much of the past 157 00:12:54,120 --> 00:12:58,120 month. I mean, these last two games against Oregon State and Washington State, 158 00:12:58,159 --> 00:13:01,480 they have been bumpy rides. And one of the things that you know, 159 00:13:01,519 --> 00:13:05,799 if you talk to Washington fans, if you talk to people who follow 160 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:09,480 the Huskies, one of the things that they're going to say is, you 161 00:13:09,519 --> 00:13:13,480 know, why is offensive coordinator Ryan Grubb throwing the ball well down the field 162 00:13:13,559 --> 00:13:16,240 all the time? You know, you don't have to get twenty yards on 163 00:13:16,279 --> 00:13:18,639 every play. You can actually run the ball, like, it's okay to 164 00:13:18,720 --> 00:13:22,240 run the ball. It's okay to to be a little bit more conservative, 165 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:28,080 it's okay to you know, go for shorter gains, move the chains, 166 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:30,919 you know, be a little bit more high percentage, and and how you 167 00:13:30,960 --> 00:13:35,960 approach things. Michael Pennox loves to push the ball down the field, but 168 00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:39,320 that has to be balanced with a running game. It had that Washington has 169 00:13:39,399 --> 00:13:46,399 to be more variable, more versatile on offense. It needs to show Oregon 170 00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:52,000 different identities, different tendencies instead of just trying to, you know, sling 171 00:13:52,039 --> 00:13:56,600 the ball around the yard. So that that's going to be something to look 172 00:13:56,639 --> 00:14:01,960 for when Washington has the ball and Oregon is on defense. And you know, 173 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:07,799 it's interesting that, you know, Oregon State just played Oregon and the 174 00:14:07,799 --> 00:14:11,000 week before played Washington. So these two PAC twelve Championship game teams, they 175 00:14:11,039 --> 00:14:16,879 both played Oregon State very recently, and looking at this game, you know, 176 00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:22,000 through a defensive lens, you know, dj Uiyangalaway had a decent season 177 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:26,840 for Oregon State. But we all knew that the Washington game a week ago 178 00:14:28,039 --> 00:14:31,440 and then this more recent Oregon game, those were going to be the two 179 00:14:31,559 --> 00:14:35,679 most defining games of uyangalawa a season at Oregon State. We got to see 180 00:14:35,759 --> 00:14:41,559 him go up against the Huskies and then the Ducks wasn't very impressive, you 181 00:14:41,559 --> 00:14:46,279 know, Uyangalaway, you know, first off wasn't fundamentally accurate to begin with. 182 00:14:46,840 --> 00:14:52,759 But even on some passes that he completed, he had guys running open 183 00:14:52,919 --> 00:14:56,879 in space and he was not able to hit them in stride. He would 184 00:14:56,919 --> 00:15:01,320 throw the ball a little bit off the targets that even though a catch was 185 00:15:01,360 --> 00:15:05,000 made, the receiver had to leave his feet, you know, kind of 186 00:15:05,039 --> 00:15:09,960 bend or twist a little bit. Instead of just keeping a smooth progression running 187 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:15,080 forward or running in stride side to side, the receiver had to kind of 188 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:20,399 bend, twist, turn such that he would lose his balance, couldn't stay 189 00:15:20,519 --> 00:15:24,360 upright. And so what could have been or should have been a thirty yard 190 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:28,759 play like a fifteen yard pass and then fifteen yards run after the catch, 191 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:33,600 what could have been and should have been a thirty yard pass was instead just 192 00:15:33,759 --> 00:15:39,080 a fifteen yard pass, just a ten yard pass. So while you know, 193 00:15:39,320 --> 00:15:48,519 Washington limited Oregon State to twenty points and then or you know, Oregon 194 00:15:48,679 --> 00:15:52,440 was able to limit Oregon State to just seven points, you know, and 195 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:56,360 you know, solid defensive performances. To be sure, we also have to 196 00:15:56,360 --> 00:16:02,799 realize dj Riangol did not play well. He did not test the Washington or 197 00:16:02,879 --> 00:16:08,360 Oregon defenses in the ways that other better quarterbacks would have done. Like Caleb 198 00:16:08,399 --> 00:16:14,879 Williams was able to make some big plays against both Oregon's defense and Washington's defense. 199 00:16:14,960 --> 00:16:18,879 Like that's that's what we what you know, a really good quarterback can 200 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:23,440 do, particularly against Washington, like Washington has not set the bar nearly as 201 00:16:23,519 --> 00:16:26,519 high as Oregon. You know, So Washington gave up forty two to USC, 202 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:32,240 Oregon gave up twenty seven to USC. So Oregon was definitely better. 203 00:16:32,679 --> 00:16:38,360 But like a good quarterback can make good plays, big plays against these defenses. 204 00:16:38,440 --> 00:16:41,320 We saw a lot of big plays in that thirty six thirty three game 205 00:16:42,039 --> 00:16:47,519 for mid October in Seattle. But I think all of the things I've been 206 00:16:47,519 --> 00:16:52,320 talking about the last two to three minutes, it goes to the point that, 207 00:16:52,759 --> 00:16:56,799 you know, if you get Bo Nicks and Michael Pennix on their game, 208 00:16:56,399 --> 00:17:00,440 if you have them precise, if you have them locked in, you 209 00:17:00,480 --> 00:17:07,519 know, then this could be a shootout. And we shouldn't necessarily say that 210 00:17:07,680 --> 00:17:12,720 Oregon's defense is great and wonderful and outstanding based on how it played against DJA, 211 00:17:12,960 --> 00:17:18,920 who you know, really fell short, came up small in the biggest 212 00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:22,400 games of Oregon State seasons. And and and while Washington, you know, 213 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:26,799 is doing what it absolutely needs to do in terms of winning games each week, 214 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:33,000 let's not be too complementary of Washington's defense based on what it did against 215 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:38,720 Oregon State and la Ah over a week ago. You know, Oregon State 216 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:45,400 made a lot of sloppy plays, had a winnable game slipped through its fingers. 217 00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:48,319 Now Washington did finish off the win. Credit to the Huskies for that, 218 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:52,799 and and and let's be clear, you know, Washington isn't really passing 219 00:17:52,839 --> 00:17:56,839 the eye test, but in terms of overall resume, in terms of the 220 00:17:56,960 --> 00:18:00,160 quality of wins on the schedule with Oregon State, you know, at USC 221 00:18:02,519 --> 00:18:07,759 you know, beating Utah as well, the two time defending uh Pacquilt champion, 222 00:18:07,559 --> 00:18:11,920 beating Poise State earlier in the season, Boise State in the Mountain West 223 00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:15,319 title game. You know, Washington has collected a lot of really good wins. 224 00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:18,839 The winning on the road at Arizona like that results really good or Oregon 225 00:18:18,920 --> 00:18:26,119 The Ducks didn't play Arizona this season. So like Washington has the better resume 226 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:30,400 than Oregon, Washington has a better resume than Florida State, does you know, 227 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:33,880 because Clemson didn't turn out to be a really good team in the a 228 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:41,599 c C washing like Washington has better results. But the eye test is very 229 00:18:41,599 --> 00:18:47,640 different because Washington has just been skating by scraping by two, three points here, 230 00:18:47,799 --> 00:18:51,079 one score there, uh, you know, winning, winning a lot 231 00:18:51,119 --> 00:18:56,480 of close games, getting some fortuitous bounces. But the the caliber of teams 232 00:18:56,880 --> 00:19:02,839 that Washington has been beating been very good. So there's a real split in 233 00:19:02,920 --> 00:19:07,119 terms of how Washington's resume looks on paper. Huskies really should be ranked no 234 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:11,119 lower than number two in the country, and you can make a case that 235 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:15,960 they should be ranked number one, especially since Ohio State lost to Michigan. 236 00:19:17,279 --> 00:19:22,200 Ohio State had the wins over Notre Dame and Penn State, but now losing 237 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:26,200 to Michigan. Michigan didn't play anyone out of conference, So really Washington should 238 00:19:26,279 --> 00:19:33,200 be ranked no lower than number two going into conference championship Friday. But in 239 00:19:33,279 --> 00:19:38,440 terms of the eye test, like Oregon's been miles better, miles better than 240 00:19:38,480 --> 00:19:45,920 the Huskies in the month and a half since that October fourteen game in Seattle, 241 00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:53,079 So is Washington going to be able to achieve a mental reset in this 242 00:19:53,119 --> 00:19:59,160 game and go back to October fourteenth and play a much more like the way 243 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:03,680 it did that day. Like that was an elite game and an elite performance 244 00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:07,400 from Washington. But we haven't seen the Huskies played at that level since then. 245 00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:12,880 But and yet Oregon turned that loss into fuel. Like Dan Lanning, 246 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:17,319 to his great credit, you know, he used that game to tell his 247 00:20:17,359 --> 00:20:19,240 players, Hey, we're not as good as we think we are. We 248 00:20:19,279 --> 00:20:22,759 need to set the bar higher. And Oregon has definitely set the bar a 249 00:20:22,799 --> 00:20:29,359 lot higher than Washington has over the past week and a half. So those 250 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:33,440 are just some of the storylines and some of the topping points that are worth 251 00:20:33,519 --> 00:20:40,880 considering when we look at that Oregon Washington pac twelve Chamgion game on Friday. 252 00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:45,559 It's going to be a fabulous fight in Vegas. All right. 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Pennix made the bigger plays head 301 00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:45,720 to head against bow Knicks, and I thought Penix deserved to have the lead, 302 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:51,039 the clubhouse lead, if you will. Going into this Friday, December 303 00:24:51,039 --> 00:24:56,079 first game. But I would say that bo Nix just continues to stack really 304 00:24:56,079 --> 00:25:02,039 good performances one after the other, while Pennix continues to struggle. I think 305 00:25:02,079 --> 00:25:06,960 it's reasonable to say that, you know, all things considered, bon Nicks 306 00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:11,799 it is and should be ahead of Michael Pennix in the heisand race. You 307 00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:15,319 just you can't continue to be as inconsistent as Michael Pennix has been to just 308 00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:19,240 say well, but he but he won on October fourteen. You know, 309 00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:23,480 that begins to turn the Heisman into a one game referendum, and we don't 310 00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:26,680 want to do that, and it shouldn't be. You know this, this 311 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:30,160 should be a full season award. So you know, if two to three 312 00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:34,720 weeks ago I felt that Pennix was still ahead of Knicks, I don't think 313 00:25:34,759 --> 00:25:40,519 that's any longer the case. I think I think bo Nicks now now leads 314 00:25:40,559 --> 00:25:44,240 Pennix head to head. And then you know, with Jayden Daniels, what 315 00:25:44,319 --> 00:25:45,960 have I been saying. I've said that, you know, hey, let's 316 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:51,119 not give the guy a parade for lighting up a bad Florida defense. Let's 317 00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:53,759 not give the guy, you know, the Heisman based on what he's doing 318 00:25:53,799 --> 00:25:59,519 against you know, medium tier SEC teams. On that point, I'm still 319 00:25:59,559 --> 00:26:03,599 going to stay in my ground. I'm gonna, you know, entrench myself 320 00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:08,279 and reiterate what I've been saying. Now, is Jaden Daniels the most fun 321 00:26:08,319 --> 00:26:11,640 player in college football this year? Yes, he is. There's no more 322 00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:18,160 exciting, dazzling, popcorn type player than Jayden Daniels. You know, bo 323 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:22,319 Knicks has the seventy eight percent completion rate, but like so, you know, 324 00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:25,880 and he makes a few wow plays every now and then, But most 325 00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:30,039 of the time, Bo Nicks has a very clean pocket, his receivers are 326 00:26:30,079 --> 00:26:34,640 getting wide open down the field. He has a really strong offensive line in 327 00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:38,400 front of him, and he has a good defense as well. And Jaden 328 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:44,000 Daniels is having to do pretty much everything himself, and most of the time 329 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:48,559 he's able to do things by himself. Forty nine yard touchdown scramble, eighty 330 00:26:48,599 --> 00:26:52,880 five yard touchdown scramble. Yes, Jaden Daniels has had to do so many 331 00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:56,599 things by himself. And that's the obvious and reasonable argument that LSU fans are 332 00:26:56,640 --> 00:27:02,359 making about his heisman Cannon to see totally get it. And you know, 333 00:27:02,559 --> 00:27:06,720 I talked a few weeks ago on this same podcast about how you know, 334 00:27:06,759 --> 00:27:10,240 when Robert Griffin the Third won the Heisman, you know, like he was 335 00:27:10,279 --> 00:27:14,519 doing that kind of stuff with Baylor. You know that Baylor didn't have the 336 00:27:14,599 --> 00:27:19,440 national reputation and like RG three, like he he was the guy lifting that 337 00:27:19,519 --> 00:27:26,079 Baylor program to prominence, and there was a sense of like he was doing 338 00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:33,279 so much of the work by himself, all right, and so that doing 339 00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:38,480 things by himself element in that sense, Jayden Daniels is like the new representation 340 00:27:38,599 --> 00:27:45,240 of what Robert Griffin the third was for Baylor when he won the twenty eleven 341 00:27:45,599 --> 00:27:51,400 Heisman. But there's a difference that Baylor was Baylor. Baylor had not become, 342 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:55,880 you know, a regular power. It was beginning to become a big 343 00:27:55,920 --> 00:28:00,319 deal under Art Briles twelve years ago, but it hadn't a been an established 344 00:28:02,039 --> 00:28:07,119 presence. So like the fact that RG three was lifting Baylor out of relative 345 00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:11,680 obscurity, that was a big part of why his season resonated so much in 346 00:28:11,759 --> 00:28:15,759 twenty eleven. With Jaden Daniels, it's not the same thing. You know, 347 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:19,119 LSU was supposed to be a playoff contender, and obviously, like you 348 00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:25,680 don't need to tell me, LSU has an abysmal defense and atrocious defense. 349 00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:29,480 It feeds into why, you know, Jaden Daniels has been uh, you 350 00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:33,720 know, kind of basically trying to roll a boulder up a hill like Sisyphus 351 00:28:33,599 --> 00:28:38,240 He's had. He's been handicapped by his defense. But it remains that he 352 00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:45,359 was not the best quarterback on the field against Jordan Travis in Florida State. 353 00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:51,319 He was not the best quarterback on the field against Jalen Noroe and Alabama, 354 00:28:51,839 --> 00:28:55,279 all right, And so you don't want to you don't want to turn the 355 00:28:55,279 --> 00:29:00,279 Heisman into a one game referendum relative to what I've been saying about bow Next 356 00:29:00,319 --> 00:29:03,039 versus Michael Pennix in that Oregon Washington game. But while you don't want to 357 00:29:03,079 --> 00:29:07,839 turn it into a one game referendum, you also have to admit that, 358 00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:11,359 you know, if LSU being nine to three, that's not the same as 359 00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:18,599 Baylor being nine and three twelve years ago that this was supposed to be a 360 00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:26,640 national championship contender. So like, I'm not going to reward Jayden Daniels too 361 00:29:26,759 --> 00:29:33,759 much for not being the best quarterback on the field in multiple games, multiple 362 00:29:33,839 --> 00:29:44,759 high profile games against high profile opponents. You know that that still limits the 363 00:29:44,799 --> 00:29:48,160 way I see him, the way I see his season, the way I 364 00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:52,000 see his Heisman candidacy. I think, you know, if everything that Jayden 365 00:29:52,079 --> 00:29:59,880 Daniels was doing was happening in a situation much more akin to Baylor two thousand 366 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,839 eleven than LSU twenty twenty three, I think that matters. You know, 367 00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:08,480 if this was happening at let's say Kansas, or if it was happening at 368 00:30:08,559 --> 00:30:14,839 at Oregon State, or if it was happening, you know, at another 369 00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:21,799 program of that nature. It's like Syracuse, you know, Wisconsin, you 370 00:30:21,839 --> 00:30:26,079 know, programs of that to nature, not one of the superpowers such as 371 00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:32,480 LSU that would have that would affect my perception, all right, But I'm 372 00:30:32,519 --> 00:30:38,119 not I am not there in terms of giving the Heisman Trophy UH to Jayden 373 00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:45,079 Daniels simply because he is the most fun player. I think that, you 374 00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:48,000 know, he has been the most entertaining player, and that's certainly a testament 375 00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:56,039 to his magnificent athletic ability. But I would say that bo Nicks is answering 376 00:30:56,119 --> 00:31:03,799 the bell every week as a as a quarterback, as a performer in ways 377 00:31:03,799 --> 00:31:11,640 that are lifting his team and are helping his team achieve at a higher level, 378 00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:15,519 and I think, you know, team achievement should be built into this 379 00:31:15,599 --> 00:31:23,480 to a certain point. You know, like there are situations where the Heisman 380 00:31:23,519 --> 00:31:27,880 Trophy can come across as being like a most valuable player, and it gets 381 00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:33,960 into that familiar discussion where you know, like there was a Major League Baseball 382 00:31:34,079 --> 00:31:41,480 MVP debate in nineteen eighty seven where Andre Dawson of the Chicago Cubs won the 383 00:31:41,519 --> 00:31:44,720 award even though the Cubs were a last place team. Now, you know, 384 00:31:44,759 --> 00:31:48,680 so the Cubs were bad in nineteen eighty seven, but Andre Dawson was 385 00:31:48,759 --> 00:31:52,119 absolutely ridiculous. It was absolutely magnificent. And so like, you know, 386 00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:56,160 what would the Cubs have been without Andrey Dawson. They would have been nothing. 387 00:31:56,680 --> 00:32:00,240 But you know, they weren't a good team. And I struggle with 388 00:32:00,319 --> 00:32:05,039 that that, you know, if you're producing amazing numbers but on a team 389 00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:08,680 that struggles, of course you're the most valuable player for that team. But 390 00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:15,759 did your value translate into wins? Did it translate into achievement? You know, 391 00:32:16,519 --> 00:32:23,000 I want to see a most valuable player that translates into the team doing 392 00:32:23,119 --> 00:32:29,119 well. So it's not just value in and of itself, it's value translated 393 00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:34,000 into what a team does. So, you know, Jaden Daniels, he 394 00:32:34,079 --> 00:32:42,039 has the best numbers, but Bo Knicks has numbers with value, and that 395 00:32:42,119 --> 00:32:45,799 touches on something that we've been discussing in terms of the Heisman race is that, 396 00:32:46,119 --> 00:32:52,079 you know, Marvin Harrison Junior of Ohio State, he's a better NFL 397 00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:57,359 draft prospect than Jaden Daniels or Bo Nicks. But you have to have a 398 00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:00,200 certain amount of numbers, right. We did talk about that that you do 399 00:33:00,319 --> 00:33:07,440 have to have some statistical heft along with just the fact that you're the best 400 00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:12,200 player on the field. Like Marvin Harrison Junior passes the eye test for a 401 00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:15,440 college football player, Like you could say very credibly that he is the most 402 00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:22,920 outstanding player in college football, even more so than Jayden Daniels. Now you 403 00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:28,559 could you could say that Jayden Daniels might be the most outstanding player. Where 404 00:33:28,559 --> 00:33:31,920 I come down is that Jaden Daniels is the most fun and entertaining player. 405 00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:35,640 But I think in terms of like just you know, how good are you 406 00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:40,359 at the sport of football, I think Marvin Harrison Junior sets the bar pretty 407 00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:44,880 much higher than anyone else. That he's regularly the best player on the field 408 00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:49,559 in any game he's in, you know, like and Jaden Daniels wasn't against 409 00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:54,240 Alabama and Florida State. So like, that's that's exactly where and how Marvin 410 00:33:54,279 --> 00:34:00,880 Harrison Junior rises above Jaden Daniels in terms of that outstanding player. But it's 411 00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:06,480 an outstanding player designation in terms of the eye test. And we keep running 412 00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:10,920 into this split between the eye test and what the numbers show us. Right. 413 00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:16,119 We so often have this debate in college football, not just in terms 414 00:34:16,119 --> 00:34:21,719 of ranking teams, but also in terms of voting on awards with players. 415 00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:30,760 This is another classic case. So bo Nix and Jaden Daniels both supremely valuable 416 00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:37,559 to their teams, but bo Knicks's value has translated into higher achievement, uh 417 00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:45,119 than what we've seen at LSU. So that that is all a longer way 418 00:34:45,119 --> 00:34:51,320 of saying through through a multi pronged analysis that right now bo Nix would be 419 00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:54,639 my vote for Heisman Trophy winner. But of course, you know, with 420 00:34:54,719 --> 00:35:01,400 and with Jaden Daniels season over at LSU gets the final say, he has 421 00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:07,320 the final chance to state his case against Michael Pennix in Washington. And let's 422 00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:15,480 say Let's say that Pennix plays an absolutely outstanding game he outplays bo Nicks a 423 00:35:15,519 --> 00:35:22,920 second time. That would create a very very complicated Heisman scenario such that like 424 00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:27,000 you could, you could flip a coin. I don't coin has only two 425 00:35:27,039 --> 00:35:29,719 sides, but you could basically flip a coin in terms of you know, 426 00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:37,159 it would be a jump ball involving Pennix, Knicks, and Jayden Daniels. 427 00:35:38,519 --> 00:35:45,559 But if bo Nicks cleanly outplays Michael Pennix and leads Oregon to the PAC twelfth 428 00:35:45,599 --> 00:35:52,639 title to the College Football Playoff, to me, to me, that would 429 00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:57,440 merit the Heisman Trophy for bow Knicks. He could do what Marcus Mariota did 430 00:35:58,119 --> 00:36:00,800 for the Ducks in two thousand four team. So right now, if I 431 00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:07,400 had to vote, I would say bo Nicks one, Jaden Daniels a very 432 00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:12,679 close second, Michael Pennix a competitive third, still in the conversation, but 433 00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:20,079 obviously needing to be at his very best to grab this thing back from Bonnicks, 434 00:36:20,159 --> 00:36:23,519 from Jayden Daniels uh in the Heisman Trophy race. So I think it's 435 00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:28,840 I don't think anything's been decided. I do think bo Nicks has the lead. 436 00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:32,760 I do think we shouldn't give Jayden Daniels too much credit for putting up 437 00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:38,000 video game numbers against ordinary SEC defenses in a year when you know the SEC 438 00:36:38,159 --> 00:36:43,559 has been down. The PAC twelve has been better than the SEC, certainly 439 00:36:43,599 --> 00:36:46,039 at the in the top end of the conference. You know, Tennessee not 440 00:36:46,119 --> 00:36:53,199 being very good, Kentucky not being very good, Florida struggling, Texas A 441 00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:59,920 and m struggling, LSU struggling. You know, it's basically been Georgia and 442 00:37:00,079 --> 00:37:04,239 Alabama at the top of the SEC. I mean, ole Miss has had 443 00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:07,800 a good season, but let's not say that ole Miss has been spectacular. 444 00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:15,719 Given what we've seen at the top end of the PAC twelve with Oregon and 445 00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:19,239 Washington, you could make a case that was that is still the game of 446 00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:22,159 the year, the best game of the year. Heading into commerce Championship weekend, 447 00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:29,360 I do think that it should be Bo Nicks in the lead. Not 448 00:37:29,519 --> 00:37:32,920 the race isn't over, but Bo Nicks should be in the lead over Jayden 449 00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:38,119 Daniels and Michael Pennox. But we'll see what happens on Friday. One more 450 00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:45,679 very big chapter in what will be the last PAC twelve conference football game. 451 00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:51,239 Maybe in human history, maybe for like fifteen years, and maybe in the 452 00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:53,960 year twenty thirty eight, everyone's going to say, you know what, enough 453 00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:59,840 at this cross country travel, let's reconvene the old PAC twelve. Let's let's 454 00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:01,920 bringing the band back together. But we don't know if that's going to happen. 455 00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:05,239 It's going to be the last PAC twelve game for quite a while, 456 00:38:06,679 --> 00:38:09,880 and we will see if the PAC twelve gets that very special send off with 457 00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:16,000 a team back in the college football playoff Friday night in Las Vegas, it 458 00:38:16,079 --> 00:38:22,599 could be quite a show. So that's it for this week's edition of Get 459 00:38:22,599 --> 00:38:25,920 Off My Pylon college football podcast. We're part of the College Gridiron Coast to 460 00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:31,280 Coast podcast network. Look for your favorite College grid Iron Coast to Coast podcasts 461 00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:37,320 on Apple Podcasts or the other places that you look for your podcasts, and 462 00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:42,639 we will have a ton to talk about next week. This is Matt Zemak 463 00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:45,119 Joy Conference Championship weekend here at Get Off My Pile.