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I'd like to welcome Steve Edmonds to
Bigfoot Crossroads. Uh. I was part

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of a podcast that interviewed you years
and years and years ago. I don't

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know what it's called the podcast.
No, podcasts weren't even a thing yet.

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I don't know what you would call
it. But yeah, but I

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mean, we know a lot of
the same people. I've been down in

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the areas that you've done a lot
of stomping around at. But your name

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has always come up in conversations as
someone who is very knowledgeable about the ongoing

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stuff down in that part of I
guess you'd call that south central Oklahoma if

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you don't mind. Just to get
things rolling, just tell a little bit

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about yourself, Okay, there's not
really much to tell, no, I

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just yeah, Well, you know, I grew up down here. It's

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I don't know, it's it's considered
south central, but it used to be

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considered southwestern, because you know,
Oklahoma City has grown so big, it's

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now we're we're we used to just
be called southwestern, but now it seems

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like we're getting sucked into the south
central. But yeah, I grew up,

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I grew up here. I'm a
Native American I'm Katta and Western Delaware,

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and uh, you know that being
in American you know, we've always

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had stories and I've always heard stories, and but then I've had I started

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having my own experiences that I think
I was about eleven, ten or eleven

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when I first first saw the big
hairy guy. And we call him harry

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Man. We call him Harry people
are harry Man. That's what the cattle

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was referred to him as. And
and so I was I was about I

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was I think I was ten when
I saw him walk across the claring down

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there by the tribe. And you
know, my dad really didn't talk to

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me much about it. But after
after I you know, ran down there

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and told him what I saw.
He said, okay, he said,

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just get close to here, you
know, don't go too far. And

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and then he started telling me some
of the stories you know that he heard

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and and you know that was passed
along and you know, and I always

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said to me when I was when
I was younger, he would always met

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me come in before it got dark, like like he would be getting it's

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t be going down. He's like, okay, you know, Steve,

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come on in. And I'm like
I'm playing. You know, I've got

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I was on the basketball court.
It's all dirt, you know. I

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had my little roads and houses built, and I have my cars and my

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hot wheels and stuff. And I'm
like, I'm like, really, Dad,

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And he goes, yeah, bring
your bring your cars and mess up

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your roads. And I was like, Dad, He's like, mess up

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your roads, bring your cards.
So it was like he was like,

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you know, let you know,
don't leave any signs that the kids are

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here. Yeah. And I never
I never thought about that until I got

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older, and and hearing some of
these toys and his other Native Americans saying,

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you know, telling their kids come
in before dark or don't go out

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when it's foggy, and you know, stuff like that. And and my

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older brother I was telling him about
that. He said, man, he

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said, when we were a little. Because I'm quite younger than them,

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he said, when we were a
little, they left it out till one

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two o'clock. To them, I
guess they didn't care if anything got us.

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I wanted to ask you, in
general, how does your tribe view

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this thing. Is it like a
spiritual being? Is it a physical being?

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Is it just another animal out there? Or you know, you said

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you call it the hairyman or people, so I guess you guys see it

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as a person. Well, it's
it's it's funny because I never did pursue

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that. I never did go around
asking, which I wished I would have

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when we had more elders. But
I went to a couple of people and

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ask them, and they said,
you know, some some of the elder

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to say, you know, don't
talk about it, don't worry about it,

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don't bother him, you don't bother
you. And then there are some

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that were saying, well, you
know, he's kind of like a guardian

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protector, you know, he watches
out. So there's I mean, there's

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there's kind of kind of a conflicting
stories I get. So I went and

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talk to my h you know,
there was when when you're little like that

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and you go to the dances and
stuff, you you developed friends, whether

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they're they're from different schools and stuff, different towns, and so he started

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hanging around with them and we had
a we had a pretty uh uh rag

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tag group that you know, we'd
always get with and uh, my friend

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Leonard, he's a he's in doing
the po He's like moved into the Elder

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squell on pod meetings and stuff.
So I'm talking to him about that.

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I said, you know, all
the times that you know your dad and

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stuff, the pots beings, I
said, did they ever talked about He

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said, they've never really talked about
it. They like, they know he's

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there, but they never really talked
about him or acknowledge you know that he's

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here. And he's were telling me
some of his experiences that he had,

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you know, growing up, because
he grew up you know, over around

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Lakiba. It's not very far from
where I grew up and uh, and

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he was telling me, so it
is some of his experiences. We were

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talking to you to night and I
was like, Lass, and we gotta

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sit down and you know, eat
dinner or drink cofference something talk because I

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said, I'm I'm sure you've got
a lot of stories. And he added,

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he hasn't heard, you know,
some of my stories. So so

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we'll get together and yeah, I'm
gonna get get some more stories because he

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had some good ones. He he, Uh, you know, I talked

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to some people that have experiences and
you know, it's it's like I think

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I think I'm safe to say that
there are quite a few people to think

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that he may be an interdimension the
creature. And I know a lot of

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people in the Bigfoot world say,
don't be talking about that, that's not

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even you know, possible, blah
blah blah. But it is possible,

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you know. I mean because the
way that I was raised, in the

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way the Native Americans are raised,
you know, there's there's there's different there's

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different things out there, and there
were some things that were here before we

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were even here. So yeah,
so I I mean, I can't really

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speak for the way the tribe,
my tribe looks at it, but the

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way I do is I think they
that they can be h enginementional and that

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they can you know, they disappeared
quick and so I don't know. You

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know, people talk about cloaking,
and there's a lot of New Americans talk

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about, you know, how they
just disappear right right there. And I

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talked to a lot of people that
had that experience the fact, not about

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five years ago. Because I leave
in the morning, I work, and

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sometimes I leave my house about three
thirty four o'clock in the morning, drive

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to telk On the city and one
and I always closed my current. My

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mom always taught me because my curtains
at starts getting dark. That was another

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you know, I guess. So
we had like little rules that I didn't

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understand, but I did. They
never told me. They wouldn't tell me,

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you know, close your windows at
night when it starts getting dark,

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because I always if you here's something
at the window, don't run the look

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out. And I always ask my
dad why. He's like something might be

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looking back at you, you know, so that you know that that that

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was good enough to keep me from
peeking out of the windows work yeah,

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and so and so, and I
usually do. But this one night in

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particular, one morning, I was
getting my stuff, I was getting ready.

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I was coming down the hallway and
when he come out of the hallway

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there's living room and the kitchen to
the right, and there's a kitchen window

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over the dining room table, and
and I just I mean a lot everything.

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It was just weird because the light
the curtain was open just enough.

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And my cousins lived behind me and
they have a two yard lights and I

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just happened to just look out the
window and I saw two dark silhouettes,

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no neck, broad shoulders, and
they were kind of walking towards my house.

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One was falling in the other.
They walked kind of kind of like

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in the line, and I stopped
and I looked. I was like,

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I stepped back, and I was
like, I see that. I looked,

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and I could see him. So
I put my stuff down the chair

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and I stepped back because if they
would have continued walking, they would have

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came across under the yard light and
I would have been able to see him.

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But I didn't see anything. And
I looked, and so I ran

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out the front door, which I
should have ran out the back door,

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but I ran out the front door
because I was the closest and went outside

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and there was nothing out. The
dogs wouldn't barking. It was, I

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mean, it was quiet, and
so I got my car and I backed

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up and I went over to that
yard and I hit my brides and got

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out and look because you know,
I thought, well, maybe they just

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went down. Now they were gone
and we couldn't find any I think Kirk

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came by. We did go and
look, because he's happened to be down

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that day or that that night.
We went found an impression but couldn't make

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anything of it. But yeah,
that, and that was just so weird.

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I mean, it was like I
could I mean, I saw them.

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So I talked to my cousin the
next night and I said, the

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evening and I said, where's anybody
out? And she's like, no,

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we were, you know, we
were all in, she said. But

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you know, my son and his
wife did here voices from behind the house.

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She said, they sounded human,
they sounded like they were talking English,

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but they couldn't make out what they
were saying. They said, it's

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almost like they were arguing, almost
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And she said, but no,
nobody was, you know, nobody

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was out roaming around. I said, okay, well I saw and it

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was two figures. Like I said, I've seen them enough to know what

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they looked like. And to me, that's what to two hairy people coming

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across, like walking towards my house, like cutting across, because I think

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they cut across the yards through here. But they used to, because we

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used to get all kinds of activities, activities around here. I always that's

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when people asking me, I see
I grew up with them in my backyard,

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which is true. But here lately
it seems like they're the activities really

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really been non existent. Huh,
what do you think happened that caused that

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they just left the area or something? Well, you know, like I

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said, I know, I know
people people. You know, I just

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asked people trying to keep an open
mind because I've seen things, you know,

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not just the you know, a
hairy man and the hairy people.

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I've seen you know, paranormal things, things that are just you know,

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I've seen a dear change into an
hour like that. Whoa. Yeah,

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So I think that there's something else
coming in on their property. You know,

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it's territorial thing. I heard at
once to explain to me that,

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yeah, that they have their territories, but there are also things, other

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things out there that you know,
push onto the territory. And so I've

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heard some weird Kyle vocalizations that I've
never heard before, and I recorded one.

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Well it's been about a year and
a half ago. And sometimes whenever

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it would vocalize, the cutouts would
be quiet and sometimes they start up.

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But this night it was that there
was nothing going on and it made its

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vocalization and it was you know,
outside of my house, and I could

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hear it, like walking away but
it was still doing its vocalization, so

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I don't know. And then maybe
it's just the heat. I think they

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you know, they move. I
think you know there are there, you

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know, they eat what they can
and what they can find, and I

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think that might be part of it
too, But I really don't know.

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But that's why I was talking to
some people down here at the kind we

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had a meeting culture culture meet.
We did get together and we'll meet saying,

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practice our songs and you know,
stories and stuff, and so we

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sung until eleven already and we moved
outside and there's the four of us.

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After talking, we talked till two
thirty, and so the security guard came

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out and she I know her,
and so we were talking. So I

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was asking her, have you heard
any things? So it's not a while

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and she said, I hear her
cry outs, which I haven't either,

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and uh, And I said,
well, what do you what do you

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think? I mean, have you
ever heard of your that? When's the

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last time you heard something? It's
been over a year, and assad,

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well, I don't know that kind
of kind of missile. But at the

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same time, we're like, well, what was that? You know,

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tell me about that? First sighting
that you had whenever you were a kid,

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Like what exactly happened? Okay,
Well, where I lived, the

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the tribal headquarters or whatever is the
ways from my house. And so my

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mom and my dad and I had
an aunt and uncle that were down there

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in the community house. They were
cutting meat. I guess we're gonna have

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a dinner. I don't remember.
I was like I once say that I

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was ten. And so they they
had a well called man uncle. They're

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a distant aunt uncle. They want
my like real aunt uncle. But you

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know, we called him an uncle. And so they had a son.

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His name was Junior. We call
him Jews. And so him and I

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were walking around, you know it
is you know, eighties, and he

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had a little boom box. And
so we're just walking around the dance arena,

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and you know, I was walking
around just you know, I besting

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around because you know, parents were
down there cutting meat. So we were

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walking and I got to the top
of the hill and he said, ah,

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he said, I got us there
rested, and there was an old

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out house just you know, little
ways off. It didn't work, but

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he says, green box down went
went behind the out house to relieve himself.

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And so I'm sitting there, you
know, kicking the rocks because it

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was all graveled and the roads are
gravel and I was kicking. I was

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looking down and I was happening.
Looked up and looked to my east,

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and there was a hill and there
was a little bit of a clearing,

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probably about a ten foot clearing,
and I saw him. He's walked across

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that clearing. He took that clearing
and just as pretty much like one step,

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probably about seven foot tall, black
shiny here. Because the sun was

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going down in the west, I
was looking east, so you know,

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the sun was kind of low,
and so that I mean, I could

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just see his here shining. It
was just black shiny here. He didn't

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look at me, he didn't turn
around. He just you know, walked

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across the walked across that clearing,
and and I was like, Jude,

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I'm getting out of here, and
I took off running. I didn't even

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wait for him. He came running
back here and got just be boxed and

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I see, wait, wait,
what's going on? Wait where you going?

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And I'm I'm gone, dude,
I'm just I'm forced gumping hill.

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Yeah, And I get down the
community house, and I mean I even

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slowed down hit that. I just
hit the house boom and went rolling in

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there. And my dad like,
what's wrong, And I said, I

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just saw this big hairy thing like
big foot up up there on the hill.

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And he's kind of looked at me
and looked at looked at Uncle Mel

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and he says, well, just
stay around here and then don't go too

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far. And I was like,
okay, yeah, yeah, after seeing

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that, I didn't go anywhere.
I stayed you know, in the house.

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And then all the way home,
you know, after he got home,

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which is not very far, he
started telling me some stories and stuff

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and you know, well what you
probably saw was this, and you know,

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don't be scared of them. You
know they're not gonna hurt you.

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You know, just just you know, kind of mind your own business and

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don't mind their own business, and
you know, just trying to calm me

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down, because you know, that
was that was something else, you know,

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to see that at ten, ten
years old. And yeah, so

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that then after that, I mean, but before that, I should say,

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I was telling you I remember some
things that I you know, so

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forgot. But about a couple of
years before that, like we'd have the

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dances down there and on the tree
line on the road going into the to

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the to the property. It was
you know, a wooden line, and

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we would go down there and we
would like just we'd like pick something up

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and throw it into the trees and
they and then something would come out of

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the trees, like we dot a
rock and the rock would come out back

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out. And if we pick something
up, you know, throw it in

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there, then it would come back
out. And then we then like like

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ten feet from the tree line,
this tree just started shinking real hard,

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you know, oh cool, And
then we throw something at it and then

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something would throw it back. And
we did that, I mean like every

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other every dance we went, every
dance that we had, we do that.

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We go And finally my dad found
out. He's like, I can't

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up here and quit best with those
and that's what he said, just don't

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be doing that. He said,
just leave it along. And I was

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like, okay. So that was
that was before I you know, I've

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got a couple of years before I
actually physically saw them. But yeah,

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we throw we throw things in the
tree line and throw things back, and

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then it would just start like We
had that one time where we had like

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three trees just violently shaking, all
at the same time. But they were

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they were they spread out about you
know, thirty thirty twenty yards thirty yards

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apart, but they were close enough
to where we could see them, but

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we couldn't see what we was shaking
them. Yeah, and then you know,

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they say, don't whistle at night, don't whistle whiter walking out of

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the woods, and uh, and
we'd be down there, we'd whistle,

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and they whistle back, and we
whistle. It was almost like signmon because

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we're like, you know, we
like change our whistle and it would change

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this whistle. It was. It
was just you know, walking what we

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were doing. So I don't know
if they were juveniles. I don't know

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if they're older, but they I
mean they I guess they like the attention.

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I want to say that they were, you know, juveniles because you

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know, we're playing is what we're
doing. Yeah, I mean a lot

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of the stories that I heard from
down there were kind of centered around kids

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too. Yeah. From from what
I can, what I've observed or what

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I you know, is that yeah, if you want to, uh,

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kind of draw them out or they're
curious that you know, you can you

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can you know, have kid voices
because they they like to, I guess,

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check out what the kids are doing. I think they're playful, is

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what it is. I mean,
that's just me. I mean, you

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hear some of the tribes out out
west or northwest that you know what they

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grab kids or you know they you
know, they they're grab and see around

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here, we'll see. What I
was told was when you know we are

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our original lands are around the corners
of Oklahoma, Texas, Arkansas, and

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Louisiana. That's where we that's that's
our homelands. And from what I what

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my dad told me was what elders
told them was that they followed us as

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we migrated. You know, we're
migrated. We hadn't move out, migrated

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Texas then up to Oklahoma. And
I always so that they followed us up

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from Louisiana really so that they've kind
of always been with the tribe. That's

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what I'm saying. So some people
say, you know that they they were

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kind of like guardians a little bit
that they watch watched out for us,

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and uh and then yeah, but
that's I mean, that's kind of what

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I believe. I think I think, yeah, they probably did keep up

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with us, and that you know
that the ones that are around, you

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know, here in my backyard and
around the tribe are probably the same from

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the same I guess you could say
tribe, the same family, the same

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tribe, because I think that that's
what they do, is that they you

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know, they occupied an area and
this is you know, like when you

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go camp and you know, you
all, this is our area, we're

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gonna put up our tent. You
know, this is where we're gonna be.

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And yeah, I kind of kind
of think that's that's kind of what

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they do too. They have their
own territories. They moved from place to

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place, and I think that's you
know, that's what they kind of do.

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They kind of might, you know, move and but they always come

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back. What can you tell me
about Purgatory? What do you want to

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know? Well, I've been down
there once or twice and at daytime it's

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an amazing place. It's a pretty
unique place, the drive in there and

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everything. But at nighttime it was
one of the scariest places I've ever been.

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And nothing happened. Nothing happened.
I don't remember anything happening I think

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we might have heard a distance vote, you know, a distant vocalization.

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But I mean, I've heard horror
stories about the place. Yeah, well

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with that place, I think it's
a little bit of a bicture of everything.

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It's a little bit of paranormal,
and I think it's a little bit

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squatchy. I think it just kind
of depends on you know, sometimes we

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affect the area we're in. Whatever
we bring sometimes triggers whatever is there,

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and so you know, nothing happened, So that might be a good thing,

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but I think it's just kind of
a mixture of of things that could

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happen there. You could see,
you know, something not human and then

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you could see you know, Harryman
or you know, or something just quite

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questionable. There's a there's a place
like that that I know that I used

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to go visit. In fact,
my buddy and I were talking about the

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same place because that's where his experience
has happened and I had some really uh

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with experiences out there, and it's
it's kind of like that too. It's

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it's uh, you know, trees
are overgrown and you go when you sit

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and you you hear movement and you
might even see a dark a big,

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huge dark silhouette, and then then
you might see a fog little space,

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a little place of fog that's moving
along the road, and then all of

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a sudden, something comes out of
it that kind of looks like it's trying

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to stand up. You know,
it's it's it's kind of weird because you

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know that, you know, I'm
stick I mean, I didn't stick around

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to see what what what it formed
into that, you know, And after

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I experienced that, I thought maybe
I shouldn't be out here so much.

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Because we used to go out there. We used to, I mean we

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were goofy. We take a bandload
of people and we go out there and

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sit and you know, part be
throwing pop cans things at the band,

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and you know we're and you could
hear them moving and and everybody gettings here

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and stuff, and you know,
he just then he takes off. And

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we did this rout before that whatever
that, whatever that fog was, We

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did that before we got to town
and where everybody's getting out of the vand

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and stuff, and it's look,
there's this big handprint on the side out

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there. It started right behind the
passage to go and went all the way

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down to it, like it just
reached out and just let you know,

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as a band went by, just
you know, and it was it was

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a big hit print Wow. I
mean yeah, I've heard stories basically groups

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of people going to some spot or
somebody's house, even in the backyard and

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just setting up the lawn chairs and
sitting around and talking and just basically waiting

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for these things to get there and
entertain them for the night, you know,

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until everybody got too scared to stay
and then all you know, haull

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butt out of there. Yeah,
or the you ran out of wooden the

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fire guys. Yeah, I don't
want to be the guy that has to

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go get the new firewood either.
Yeah. Oh that's that's always fun.

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That's always fun. When you send
the new the new people out there,

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they get, yeah, get some
more wood. But yeah, let's go

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out there. We're watching you.
So have you have you heard any stories

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about them like coming out to like
the pow wows, to the drums,

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or coming out to the powers after
everybody leaves and everybody's kind of picking up

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and heading home. Oh, I'm
yeah, I mean that's there's there's a

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lot, I mean, just about
any any tribe that any tribal people that

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you talked to, you will always
have stories like that. I think they're

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real curious and back just with you
know, just with my tribe. You

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know, we have we used to
have a lot of dances a lot of

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times and uh, you know we
have we have dinners on Saturdays and you

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know, feed the whole tribe.
And and so you know, there were

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people that would talk about, you
know, after they after whoever has the

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dance or whoever was in charge of
clean up, will clean up bag all

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the trash and then coming in the
next day or come in that Monday,

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and those tracks, those back,
those bags of trash are dragged across the

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road into the tree lines and gone
through. You know, I had an

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uncle just recently passed away, and
I was ran into him down here at

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the travel store and he's like I
was talking to him and I asked him,

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you know how things going over there, because he lives he lives about

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five or six miles away from where
I live. And you know it's he

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lives in a kind of a wooded
area. We said, how else down

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below his where he lived, it
was his parents' house, and it's like

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Steve, I've got so much activa
out there. He said, you need

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to come out there, and I
said, okay. I said, let's

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let me know when it goes well, he goes, just whenever you want

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to, you let me know when
you're coming out and get this phone number.

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And so I told carry us,
I said, we come down,

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let's go out there. And so
we did. I don't know if he

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told you about it, but we
got out there and just you know,

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started doing the initial interview. You
know, what's still daylight. It was

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probably you know, five o'clock in
the summer in the evening, you know,

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and we started hearing tree knocks back
then and there, and so he

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was selling some of the stories.
He's like, like, I said,

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native native guy. He said,
yeah. I was sitting there watching TV.

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He said, start getting dark,
he said. So I got up

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and closed my closed the curtains to
my living room window. He said,

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just as I went sit down,
he said to do it. Running by

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the window. He's like, it
was waiting for me to close. It

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hurt. And then he said,
you know, he's old military guy,

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and he would roll his hose up, you know, perfectly in front of

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the house. You'd go to town, come back and the holes of something

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would grab the hose and stretched across
the yard, so you'd have to roll

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it back up again. And but
what was really amazing was he had a

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he had two horses, and he
had that spent the south side of the

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yard fenced off. And but he
had those grand those middle I don't know,

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they weren't loom I want to say
they were middle the metal correl.

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You know how he could just get
the you know, the corral and he

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could just put him in the ground
and make it a little crowd. Yeah,

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like the panels. The panels,
thank you. And so he had

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those. But one was laying down. He said, come here, he

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said, look at this. He
said whatever. He said, Well,

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we know what it is, he
said, but I'm just gonna say whatever

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it was. Pulled it out of
the ground. It was very fourth feet

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deep in the ground. Pulled it
straight out of the ground. And then

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on the pole where the on the
pole where the pole with us, sorry,

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where the pole, where the the
hinges where you put the fence on.

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You know. There they got the
little metal pigs that come up and

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out. Yeah, And so he
he showed us and whatever. It grabbed

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that metal peg, a little bitty
metal peck and just been it straight down.

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Kurt's got pictures of it. Wow. So pulled it out of the

409
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ground. The benthos like, you're
not gonna use us, you know,

410
00:28:33.359 --> 00:28:34.920
And so, yeah, we had
a lot of movements that night. We

411
00:28:34.960 --> 00:28:38.599
never didn't see anything, but we
heard a lot, and he wanted us

412
00:28:38.599 --> 00:28:44.480
to come back out again, but
unfortunately he passed away. So and they

413
00:28:44.920 --> 00:28:48.039
when pulled up. I looked at
some nice rocks on your riff, he

414
00:28:48.039 --> 00:28:49.200
goes, He goes, you know
what that's from? I said, Do

415
00:28:49.279 --> 00:28:52.519
they really throw on He goes,
yeah, he goes, I could be

416
00:28:52.559 --> 00:28:56.440
at the kitchen cooked and I hear
that rock. He had rocks on his

417
00:28:56.519 --> 00:29:00.960
roof where they were just throwing rocks
on his riff. Huh. Do you

418
00:29:00.079 --> 00:29:07.480
hear stories of like violent encounters,
you know, that's what that's what that's

419
00:29:07.480 --> 00:29:11.759
funny. They asked me that the
other night when we were out there talking

420
00:29:11.880 --> 00:29:17.359
stories, you know, and that's
what they said. They aren't they violent,

421
00:29:17.599 --> 00:29:19.799
you know? I said, I'm
not. Now with the tribe and

422
00:29:19.880 --> 00:29:25.000
around here, I've not heard of
the violence stories. I've only heard,

423
00:29:25.039 --> 00:29:27.240
you know, they're curious the you
know, they might, you know,

424
00:29:27.319 --> 00:29:30.079
you might. I had an answer
that where you know, doing dishes,

425
00:29:30.079 --> 00:29:33.279
look out the window and there's one
standing off about ten feet off the window,

426
00:29:33.319 --> 00:29:36.480
looking you know, in the window, and I'm like, you know,

427
00:29:36.480 --> 00:29:41.000
we're done. You know. But
I've I've not ever heard of any

428
00:29:41.039 --> 00:29:51.039
attack, and now I've heard stories
like the only the only really violent story

429
00:29:51.160 --> 00:29:55.680
I heard, and it was not
really violent. It was kind of weird

430
00:29:56.599 --> 00:30:00.119
the little town south of me.
In fact, I got a friend that

431
00:30:00.480 --> 00:30:06.440
I've uh been talking to. He's, you know, he's he's he's a

432
00:30:06.480 --> 00:30:11.839
poet and he's a published Arthur and
I just mentioned it to him and he's

433
00:30:11.920 --> 00:30:14.119
like, oh yeah, he goes. They called my dad when that happened.

434
00:30:14.240 --> 00:30:18.359
What happened was there was an Indian
home with the Indian people living just

435
00:30:18.440 --> 00:30:21.680
right before you get into the town. It's right off the road. And

436
00:30:22.079 --> 00:30:26.200
I guess so like the juvenile came
up and grabbed one of the kids and

437
00:30:26.279 --> 00:30:30.519
just started dragging him by his leg
up the hill and they took off chasing

438
00:30:30.599 --> 00:30:34.880
him, and one of the one
of the uncles, had all they had

439
00:30:34.960 --> 00:30:38.640
was a two by four and hit
across the back. He said and let

440
00:30:38.680 --> 00:30:42.440
it, let the child go,
and he grabbed him and they ran back

441
00:30:42.480 --> 00:30:45.640
down the hill and they called his
dad to you know, bring a shotgun

442
00:30:45.680 --> 00:30:48.839
out there into the house because they
didn't have any weapons. That had to

443
00:30:48.880 --> 00:30:56.000
be what early nineties, And that's
that's that's the only the only story I

444
00:30:56.039 --> 00:31:02.000
heard of anything like grabbing or you
know having to use Yeah. And but

445
00:31:02.160 --> 00:31:03.039
around here, I mean, like
I said, I haven't you know,

446
00:31:03.119 --> 00:31:11.319
I've had a cousin that lived if
you go share from my house about what

447
00:31:11.559 --> 00:31:15.359
two two and a half three miles
from my house, And while the uncle

448
00:31:15.400 --> 00:31:18.799
and the cousin lived in the back
and they can't they didn't, I mean,

449
00:31:18.039 --> 00:31:21.400
I don't know, I want,
I don't want to say they harassed

450
00:31:21.519 --> 00:31:22.880
them, but they always let them
know that they were there. And he

451
00:31:22.960 --> 00:31:26.720
was always chasing them, you know, hey, get out of here,

452
00:31:26.759 --> 00:31:30.839
and uh go out, you know, fire his gun in the year and

453
00:31:30.839 --> 00:31:33.680
he said, but they'd always be
standing off in the wood line, or

454
00:31:33.720 --> 00:31:37.440
they'd just be outside of the the
security light, yard light. You know,

455
00:31:40.079 --> 00:31:44.839
but they and a lot of people
see them down there. But I've

456
00:31:44.920 --> 00:31:48.720
never heard of, you know,
any attacks or anything like that. Now.

457
00:31:48.759 --> 00:31:52.200
But her dogs doesn't hear, yeah, you know, that's that's kind

458
00:31:52.240 --> 00:31:56.799
of a different thing. In fact, my cousin back here, she said

459
00:31:56.880 --> 00:32:01.920
that she had a pit and and
a little un if it was a whinny

460
00:32:02.000 --> 00:32:06.599
dog. There's a small dog and
she said, I let him out to

461
00:32:06.640 --> 00:32:07.960
go the bathroom and they go out, and she said it they'd always be

462
00:32:08.079 --> 00:32:13.319
looking on the east side, which
where our houses are. There's a field

463
00:32:13.680 --> 00:32:15.200
and there's a fence on top of
the hill. I got I gotta tell

464
00:32:15.200 --> 00:32:19.240
you the story about that. But
it seemed like that they always came.

465
00:32:19.519 --> 00:32:22.559
They would always just come to that
fence on top of the hill. They

466
00:32:22.720 --> 00:32:24.960
hardly ever came over that fence.
If if you saw him or herd them,

467
00:32:25.079 --> 00:32:29.000
you you went on the side of
the fence. But anyway, she

468
00:32:29.079 --> 00:32:31.480
said, then they bark that way. And she said, so one night,

469
00:32:31.599 --> 00:32:36.880
she said, that little dog just
took off into that because there was

470
00:32:36.920 --> 00:32:42.200
a fence and there's there's a there's
weeds right there, big tall weeds,

471
00:32:42.240 --> 00:32:45.279
and she said it just went whoop
into the weeds. And then she said

472
00:32:45.319 --> 00:32:47.319
heard she I was here. It
was a yelt and said that pit took

473
00:32:47.359 --> 00:32:52.039
off and he ran and she ran
into the woods. I mean into jumped

474
00:32:52.039 --> 00:32:55.119
over those weeds, and then she
and you heard her kind of making noise,

475
00:32:55.200 --> 00:32:59.680
and she come jumping out and there
she had a big scratch on her

476
00:32:59.680 --> 00:33:04.839
back and she ran straight into the
house. And they said for two weeks

477
00:33:04.839 --> 00:33:07.000
she would not come out, huh. And then when she did coming out,

478
00:33:07.119 --> 00:33:09.519
she would come out, but she
wouldn't get very far from the house,

479
00:33:09.839 --> 00:33:15.039
and then she would kind of look
to exact direction and kind of whine

480
00:33:15.079 --> 00:33:17.160
a little bit, and then she'd
go back into the house. They said

481
00:33:17.160 --> 00:33:22.400
it took a couple of months before
she would go back out into the yard,

482
00:33:22.960 --> 00:33:25.640
you know, just be out of
the yard. But like I said,

483
00:33:25.680 --> 00:33:30.880
I mean, I'm other than that
with people. I'm not hurt any

484
00:33:30.960 --> 00:33:36.079
kind of violent. I mean,
I don't know anything for a fact,

485
00:33:36.160 --> 00:33:39.680
but it you know, a lot
of the stuff that you hear sounds like

486
00:33:39.839 --> 00:33:45.000
they do things to see what our
reaction is going to be. Yeah,

487
00:33:45.079 --> 00:33:49.599
And like if they smack the house
and you come running out looking, then

488
00:33:49.640 --> 00:33:52.079
they're going to keep smacking the house. You can almost guarantee it. Or

489
00:33:52.720 --> 00:33:57.640
they may just be saying, you
know, well let's see if anybody's here,

490
00:33:57.960 --> 00:34:00.960
or let's see your let's let them
know, boom, I'm here,

491
00:34:00.400 --> 00:34:05.160
I'm back. We're back. You
know, I don't know it. Yeah,

492
00:34:05.279 --> 00:34:09.519
I don't know what the because one
night, it's probably been about a

493
00:34:09.599 --> 00:34:15.840
year or so, I was getting
ready to go to bed. It was

494
00:34:15.880 --> 00:34:19.440
about eleven o'clock. I was in
my bedroom and I shut everything down.

495
00:34:19.480 --> 00:34:22.400
I went to my bedroom and I
was just getting in the bed and on

496
00:34:22.440 --> 00:34:25.079
the very top of the window,
not not not on the window, but

497
00:34:25.159 --> 00:34:30.440
the very top of the window was
like three knocks. And I was like,

498
00:34:30.920 --> 00:34:35.679
and I set up, and I
was like, huh. So I

499
00:34:35.760 --> 00:34:38.519
got you know, I got dressed, and I text my daughter because she

500
00:34:38.360 --> 00:34:42.119
was living in normous time, I
said, and hey, bag, I

501
00:34:42.119 --> 00:34:45.199
said, something just knocked on my
window, on the top of my window,

502
00:34:45.360 --> 00:34:46.320
you know, three knocks or so
I'm gonna go check it out.

503
00:34:47.039 --> 00:34:50.679
And then she called me. She
was, uh, well call me as

504
00:34:50.719 --> 00:34:52.840
soon as you get done. I
said, okay, And so I got

505
00:34:52.840 --> 00:34:55.960
off flashlight, went out, looked
around. No infusions. I can't find

506
00:34:57.000 --> 00:35:00.199
anything. I didn't even hear,
you know, my cousin's dog's bark him.

507
00:35:00.199 --> 00:35:02.800
But yeah, I went out,
looked around and came back in and

508
00:35:04.679 --> 00:35:07.079
we called her and said, you
know, nothing. She was all right,

509
00:35:07.159 --> 00:35:08.000
Dad, we'll be careful and if
you need anything, let me know.

510
00:35:08.119 --> 00:35:10.400
And I said, you got all
your doors and windows walk right,

511
00:35:10.639 --> 00:35:14.880
said yes. She says, okay, so we'll call me in the morning.

512
00:35:15.000 --> 00:35:15.840
I said, okay. So I
went to sleep. I went you

513
00:35:15.840 --> 00:35:21.480
know when they went to sleep,
and that and nothing. Nothing I did

514
00:35:21.519 --> 00:35:22.760
about a year ago. I didn't
get up in the middle of night go

515
00:35:22.800 --> 00:35:29.159
to the bathroom. I leave my
bathroom light on and uh. And so

516
00:35:29.280 --> 00:35:34.800
I was doing my business and I
heard like a scratch on the screen and

517
00:35:34.840 --> 00:35:37.199
I didn't think anything about it.
It was three o'clock in the morning,

518
00:35:37.599 --> 00:35:40.920
and it's like like you know,
like a like a nail across the screen.

519
00:35:42.000 --> 00:35:44.880
And I didn't and I was saying, I was still kind of have

520
00:35:44.960 --> 00:35:47.159
sleet, and I was thinking,
I wonder if I wonder if that was

521
00:35:47.239 --> 00:35:52.599
a branch or you know, a
weed. So I went late that down

522
00:35:52.599 --> 00:35:55.400
and I got next morning, which
is a Saturday morning, and I thought

523
00:35:55.440 --> 00:35:59.079
about it. I went outside and
looking and it was nothing near that window.

524
00:36:00.400 --> 00:36:06.639
So but that was I haven't really
heard anything other than that. But

525
00:36:06.760 --> 00:36:08.880
yeah, I could be a reaction. It could just be you know,

526
00:36:08.960 --> 00:36:15.280
hey, we're back or you know, we're we're here and we're letting you

527
00:36:15.320 --> 00:36:21.320
know. Do you think they recognize
people? I do, I really do.

528
00:36:21.679 --> 00:36:23.840
I think they get accustomed to people
now, I know. You know,

529
00:36:24.159 --> 00:36:30.840
have you heard of mine speak?
Yeah? Yeah, okay, I

530
00:36:30.880 --> 00:36:35.480
never gave it a thought, you
know. But and that's why I seeing

531
00:36:35.519 --> 00:36:38.519
those guys down here, I said, But the interesting thing happened. Okay,

532
00:36:38.559 --> 00:36:44.280
So we have an annual dance from
my grandmother. And so one year,

533
00:36:44.519 --> 00:36:49.880
this has been probably about fifteen years
ago. I went down to the

534
00:36:49.960 --> 00:36:53.960
dance and I saw my cousin and
and he had he had his new girlfriend

535
00:36:54.000 --> 00:36:59.840
with him, and she was not
native, she's non native, and she

536
00:37:00.400 --> 00:37:02.880
and I started talking to him.
And she looked at my cousin and she

537
00:37:02.880 --> 00:37:07.159
goes, is this him? And
I goes, oh, yeah, this

538
00:37:07.239 --> 00:37:09.079
is this is this is Steve.
And she goes, Hi Steve, and

539
00:37:09.159 --> 00:37:13.320
she gotta shook my hand, and
I was like, hi, you know,

540
00:37:13.639 --> 00:37:15.679
like, do I know you?
She was, oh, I'm sorry,

541
00:37:15.679 --> 00:37:17.920
says no. And so my cousins
started telling me. So they came

542
00:37:17.920 --> 00:37:27.400
out to you know, work on
the ground, and she started getting this

543
00:37:28.239 --> 00:37:32.880
communication and he induced himself. I
don't if he even remembers the name every

544
00:37:32.880 --> 00:37:35.679
time I see him. I got
to ask him the name I gotta write

545
00:37:35.679 --> 00:37:39.639
down, but he gave him.
He gave his name, said he was

546
00:37:40.159 --> 00:37:46.079
older Bigfoot, his mate had died
and he didn't think he had very much

547
00:37:46.119 --> 00:37:52.320
longer, you know, to be
here, and started telling her about different

548
00:37:52.320 --> 00:37:55.639
people and different things at the tribe. She's never been here before, she's

549
00:37:55.679 --> 00:38:01.320
never even met any of us before. But this I was telling her,

550
00:38:01.400 --> 00:38:05.800
you know what, so and so
is this so and sew does this?

551
00:38:06.000 --> 00:38:08.679
You know the My uncle used to
have an AA meeting and after he got

552
00:38:08.679 --> 00:38:13.079
through, he take the food and
put it on a plate and he would

553
00:38:13.119 --> 00:38:16.199
said it you know, by the
road. But then he would sit there

554
00:38:16.199 --> 00:38:20.239
and you know, sing some songs. It just kind of or you know

555
00:38:20.280 --> 00:38:22.480
whatever, and then he got up
to leave. When he got up to

556
00:38:22.559 --> 00:38:24.880
leave, he said they'd go get
the food and you know, talked about

557
00:38:24.880 --> 00:38:30.920
different and then talked about me,
you know, being around the tribe and

558
00:38:30.119 --> 00:38:34.440
not being scared that you know,
I walked at night, you know,

559
00:38:34.599 --> 00:38:39.679
through the through the on the road
and described me to a team didn't know

560
00:38:39.760 --> 00:38:45.320
my name, but described me.
Wow, and yeah and so I never

561
00:38:45.400 --> 00:38:46.679
and so yeah, it kind of
freaked me out because I was like,

562
00:38:47.440 --> 00:38:52.119
and sup, and I talked to
my cousin last year, so I never

563
00:38:52.159 --> 00:38:53.880
did ask about it about it,
and I said, you ever keep up,

564
00:38:54.039 --> 00:38:57.760
you know, ever keep on touch
with it. She goes, she

565
00:38:57.800 --> 00:39:00.760
goes, no, but you know
that he followed us to Washington State.

566
00:39:00.000 --> 00:39:02.480
I said, what do you meet? Just well, he said, we

567
00:39:02.599 --> 00:39:06.679
moved after that, he said,
I moved with her. Her family was

568
00:39:06.719 --> 00:39:09.880
from Washington State. He said,
I moved up there, and he followed

569
00:39:09.960 --> 00:39:15.639
us up there and was telling about
he told her about my first kiss,

570
00:39:15.760 --> 00:39:19.400
you know, he said, behind
grandma's house, by those orchards. Said

571
00:39:19.400 --> 00:39:22.360
he was by those orchards, and
he said, and he told he told

572
00:39:22.400 --> 00:39:25.239
her that he kissed a little white
girl and everything. And he's like,

573
00:39:25.880 --> 00:39:30.079
nobody knew about that. You know
that your grandma new about that. And

574
00:39:30.159 --> 00:39:31.719
after what he did, he must
have been watching another he told off on

575
00:39:31.800 --> 00:39:37.320
you. And so yeah, he
said, he said that he went up

576
00:39:37.320 --> 00:39:39.960
to watching the state and it was
he was mind speaking with her. I

577
00:39:40.000 --> 00:39:45.039
guess, you know, I don't
know, you know, people might call

578
00:39:45.079 --> 00:39:47.559
her crazy, but it was just
so where that she's not ever been around

579
00:39:47.599 --> 00:39:51.599
here, and I ever talked to
anybody, and it was our first time

580
00:39:51.639 --> 00:39:54.440
beating down there, and and why
would why would she say it was a

581
00:39:54.440 --> 00:39:58.599
big foot doing it? You know, like if you're gonna make up a

582
00:39:58.639 --> 00:40:01.880
story and you yeah, like,
why would you say a bigfoot told me

583
00:40:01.920 --> 00:40:07.199
this? Yeah? I mean he
didn't say he was a big foot.

584
00:40:07.239 --> 00:40:10.719
He said he was you know,
a Harry what they call a Harry person,

585
00:40:12.000 --> 00:40:16.119
Yeah, Harry man. I mean, have you heard of anybody else

586
00:40:16.599 --> 00:40:22.360
doing that besides her? Nope,
I'm not. I'm not ever. You

587
00:40:22.360 --> 00:40:30.119
know, I know one I know
one instance that they were down there at

588
00:40:30.159 --> 00:40:35.840
the complex and they pulled in and
there was a little one underneath. He

589
00:40:35.920 --> 00:40:39.880
was trying to hide underneath the vehicle
and covered his eyes and then the I

590
00:40:39.920 --> 00:40:43.960
can't remember who it was. It
was the baby was the baby, but

591
00:40:44.159 --> 00:40:46.159
was talk was she was young,
probably about five or six, and start

592
00:40:46.199 --> 00:40:50.039
crying. She goes, it's it's
saying that we gotta get out of here

593
00:40:50.039 --> 00:40:52.079
and we're gonna get hurt. And
so I freaked their parents out, so

594
00:40:52.159 --> 00:40:57.639
they left. But other than that, I'm not ever, you know I

595
00:40:57.719 --> 00:41:01.119
heard anybody communicated with him like that. I'm I've seen documentaries and shows and

596
00:41:01.119 --> 00:41:07.280
stuff, right, but I'm not
ever nobody personally. No, that was

597
00:41:07.360 --> 00:41:10.480
and that was that was wild because
I mean, like I said, I

598
00:41:10.480 --> 00:41:13.280
didn't. I mean, I had
no idea. She's like, it's this

599
00:41:13.400 --> 00:41:16.039
human He's like, oh yeah,
this is Steve and she's I was like,

600
00:41:16.079 --> 00:41:22.960
Okay, what's going on talking about
He's talking about me here? What

601
00:41:23.079 --> 00:41:30.800
do you think's going on at Booger
Bottoms? H Kurt told me that you

602
00:41:30.840 --> 00:41:35.880
guys have gone down there several times. Well, I think it's become more

603
00:41:35.920 --> 00:41:44.039
of a paranormal spot than it has
ye know, the Bigfoot spot, because

604
00:41:45.480 --> 00:41:49.119
you know, first couple times went
down there, we could hear something physically

605
00:41:49.119 --> 00:41:52.840
moving and you know, you can
see where they impressions and stuff. But

606
00:41:52.840 --> 00:42:00.079
but what's so weird is that the
Game of Wildlives has put signs down there

607
00:42:00.119 --> 00:42:07.199
and built a fence. You tay
that, Yes, yes, we would

608
00:42:07.199 --> 00:42:08.599
go down there because you could go
down there and park. You remember how

609
00:42:08.639 --> 00:42:14.079
I said you go in yeah,
in park and it was a fence.

610
00:42:14.159 --> 00:42:20.400
But yeah, they it seems like
they the Game Wildlife has kind of started

611
00:42:20.440 --> 00:42:24.119
putting signs and fences up along that
part of the lake. And so yeah,

612
00:42:24.199 --> 00:42:30.280
so we really couldn't get close.
But the last couple of times we

613
00:42:30.320 --> 00:42:37.840
went, we had we had it
was really weird because I had a weird

614
00:42:37.880 --> 00:42:39.239
feeling. That's why I told Kurt. I said, something's not right here,

615
00:42:39.719 --> 00:42:43.760
I said, I don't do you. Are they around you? I

616
00:42:43.800 --> 00:42:47.599
said, something's around you know,
I said. And then when we're standing

617
00:42:47.639 --> 00:42:51.679
there behind his truck, I know, I'm in corner of my eye,

618
00:42:52.320 --> 00:42:55.320
I saw like a guy with the
cowboy hat standing behind there, just kind

619
00:42:55.360 --> 00:42:59.480
of facing us. And I turned
like that real quick because I thought it

620
00:42:59.480 --> 00:43:02.440
was Kurt coming up and that's why. And he was on the front of

621
00:43:02.480 --> 00:43:05.920
the truck, you know, So
I went, I thought maybe he came

622
00:43:05.960 --> 00:43:08.519
around, and uh, I won't
know what Kurt would look like in a

623
00:43:08.519 --> 00:43:15.079
cowboy hat, but anyway, probably
like a Texas Ranger, I would think,

624
00:43:15.159 --> 00:43:17.159
so, all right, And so
that's why I told him. I

625
00:43:17.239 --> 00:43:20.800
said, I just saw someone standing
back. Every body the truck, but

626
00:43:20.800 --> 00:43:22.760
but we're in a cowboy hat.
And so that's when he started telling me

627
00:43:22.800 --> 00:43:30.039
about that e VP, that Dan
or somebody died. Yea, yeah,

628
00:43:30.079 --> 00:43:34.039
and I was like really, he
said yeah, he said so, and

629
00:43:34.440 --> 00:43:36.800
I said, well, I said, I'm not feeling comfortable. He goes,

630
00:43:36.840 --> 00:43:37.480
you know, someone's not right here. I said, I know,

631
00:43:37.960 --> 00:43:42.719
it's just really weird. And I
said, I'm ready to leave when you

632
00:43:42.760 --> 00:43:45.920
are. And usually that's not that's
not that's because he said, I don't

633
00:43:45.920 --> 00:43:47.039
know if he told you. He's
like, that's not Steve. You know,

634
00:43:47.440 --> 00:43:51.519
he has sn't get freaked out about
anything. And I was, I

635
00:43:51.639 --> 00:43:55.360
was, it was. It was
not a I can't explain. It was

636
00:43:55.440 --> 00:44:01.000
just like a weird feeling. And
so I was like, I'm ready when

637
00:44:01.000 --> 00:44:02.480
you are. He goes, well, he goes, let's go, and

638
00:44:02.519 --> 00:44:07.599
so we took off and as we
were driving, we could see lights and

639
00:44:07.679 --> 00:44:10.239
it looked like it was coming from
the ground up. But they would they

640
00:44:10.280 --> 00:44:13.639
remove it. I mean, you
know, I thought, you know,

641
00:44:13.679 --> 00:44:15.920
maybe an old old rig. Uh, they're fixing a bit of ore.

642
00:44:16.000 --> 00:44:21.039
Again. They got the lights out
there. But it was weird because as

643
00:44:21.039 --> 00:44:23.519
we would drive, it was like
they were moving, you know, like

644
00:44:23.760 --> 00:44:31.559
they like they were there. And
so we came through Binger and uh,

645
00:44:31.960 --> 00:44:38.079
the store closes at eleven, and
it was nine o'clock. Because I remember

646
00:44:38.199 --> 00:44:40.239
saying, he goes, you need
to stop, get something drink and go

647
00:44:40.280 --> 00:44:44.119
to the bathroom. I said,
I'm good, and I said, yeah,

648
00:44:44.119 --> 00:44:45.960
I said, because it closes that. You know. I looked at

649
00:44:45.000 --> 00:44:47.880
my watch, it was like nine, you know. So we came on

650
00:44:49.000 --> 00:44:52.760
back and then we went north,
you know, on the road out here

651
00:44:52.840 --> 00:44:57.880
by by the ass and those lights
and and I know how to scribe him

652
00:44:57.880 --> 00:45:00.280
now, like Skinning Walker Ranch,
when he see those lights coming out from

653
00:45:00.280 --> 00:45:06.719
the from the basin, that's what
they look like. They looked like they

654
00:45:06.719 --> 00:45:09.760
were coming from the heels over here. And so we drove and we went

655
00:45:09.800 --> 00:45:14.079
down that road and I said,
they're still there. And so we got

656
00:45:14.079 --> 00:45:16.920
to get in where we had to
back up, and so we backed up,

657
00:45:17.679 --> 00:45:23.079
and then we went to the next
smile section and pulled over, and

658
00:45:23.119 --> 00:45:25.119
he said, you want to get
out. He goes, I'm wanting to

659
00:45:25.199 --> 00:45:30.039
look these you know, look at
these things steven oculars and stuff. And

660
00:45:30.039 --> 00:45:32.400
we're like, okay. So we
saw these lights and then all of a

661
00:45:32.440 --> 00:45:37.639
sudden we saw like three three military
planes, I think there are three.

662
00:45:37.760 --> 00:45:40.760
They started flying towards They're coming from
the west and they're coming towards us.

663
00:45:42.320 --> 00:45:45.639
And as they went over. Once
they went over, everything was gone,

664
00:45:45.679 --> 00:45:51.679
the lights, everything, and then
and so we got back in the truck.

665
00:45:52.239 --> 00:45:54.480
We started talking. We started driving
and I'm like, man, I

666
00:45:54.519 --> 00:45:59.079
am tired. He goes me too. He goes, I, I'm kind

667
00:45:59.079 --> 00:46:01.960
of warre out and I said me
too, and start pulled down here by

668
00:46:02.000 --> 00:46:06.920
my house and we're gonna sit there. And I was like, I'm try

669
00:46:07.199 --> 00:46:09.360
look at my watch and I said
what time? What time do you have?

670
00:46:09.599 --> 00:46:15.800
And he's like, it's going on
one o'clock and I said it was

671
00:46:15.840 --> 00:46:20.559
just nine o'clock, not too long
ago, and yes, And so we

672
00:46:20.559 --> 00:46:28.320
started going back talking and we can't
there's an hour that we can't we don't

673
00:46:28.360 --> 00:46:30.199
remember. I mean, we can't
account for it because we did this.

674
00:46:30.519 --> 00:46:34.760
We stopped here, we're here,
this took you know this low. We

675
00:46:34.840 --> 00:46:38.079
stopped here, we got out here, those jets flew over and then we

676
00:46:39.119 --> 00:46:44.360
came back and went and sat at
that one spot. And he started getting

677
00:46:44.360 --> 00:46:46.679
tired. And I told him.
I said to me, like two two

678
00:46:46.719 --> 00:46:52.719
to three days to fully get back
my energy. And then he said the

679
00:46:52.760 --> 00:46:55.119
same thing I said, because I
just want to come home and sleep.

680
00:46:55.440 --> 00:47:00.039
Where would you guess the lights were
exactly well, like I said, we

681
00:47:00.119 --> 00:47:04.719
you were at Fort Cobb. So
the lights looked like they were they were

682
00:47:05.440 --> 00:47:08.679
on this side of Beinger, between
Fort Cobb and Binger, But as we

683
00:47:08.760 --> 00:47:12.800
kept going, like I said,
the lights would stay almost in the same

684
00:47:12.840 --> 00:47:15.840
spot. So when we got two
Beinger, we started coming out towards my

685
00:47:15.920 --> 00:47:22.079
house. Look like there's there's some
bluffs, there's some cliffs off to the

686
00:47:22.119 --> 00:47:23.320
north. That's why I went that
way because it looked like they were coming

687
00:47:23.360 --> 00:47:28.719
from out from those bluffs and they
were coming out. That's that's what I

688
00:47:28.760 --> 00:47:30.760
said. That was what's so weird
about it. It's like they stayed with

689
00:47:30.880 --> 00:47:35.679
us until you know, we got
to Beinger. Then it looks like they

690
00:47:35.679 --> 00:47:38.400
were coming out of the bluffs and
I mean, there's just nothing out there.

691
00:47:39.400 --> 00:47:44.760
No, No, there's yeah there
there's maybe there's a church built on

692
00:47:44.800 --> 00:47:50.239
that road now, but at the
time it wasn't built yet, and yeah,

693
00:47:50.280 --> 00:47:52.639
and it's there's nothing there. And
so that's what I said that,

694
00:47:52.840 --> 00:47:55.519
you know, when it's really weird
when he saw those yes, because he's

695
00:47:55.559 --> 00:48:00.360
got that plane finder, which I
got it now, and he's like,

696
00:48:00.440 --> 00:48:04.159
these these jets aren't registring. They're
not you know, and they we saw

697
00:48:04.239 --> 00:48:07.079
him coming as they flew over.
We watched him go over and we started

698
00:48:07.119 --> 00:48:10.599
talking that's when I know it's the
lights are gone. And then that's what

699
00:48:10.679 --> 00:48:13.480
I was like, Well, let's
let's get out of here, you know,

700
00:48:14.559 --> 00:48:16.559
because you know we're in come sit
at a spot where just a little

701
00:48:16.559 --> 00:48:22.280
ways office I had. I had
a lot of experiences over there, and

702
00:48:22.320 --> 00:48:24.480
that's why we came to that spot. And then I was like, man,

703
00:48:24.519 --> 00:48:28.039
I'm tired, he goes. I
am to think about calling the night.

704
00:48:28.599 --> 00:48:30.559
I said, we're getting old.
It's early. But then when I

705
00:48:30.840 --> 00:48:31.639
said, we looked at I watched
it. It was like going it was

706
00:48:31.679 --> 00:48:36.360
almost one, and I was like, wait a minute. And we started,

707
00:48:36.559 --> 00:48:40.880
you know, accounting for our hours, and there's one hour that okay,

708
00:48:40.920 --> 00:48:46.199
but from from ten till from eleven
to you know midnight. Well,

709
00:48:46.360 --> 00:48:49.360
you know we we well we were
doing this right, I don't know what

710
00:48:49.440 --> 00:48:52.880
we were you know, so we're
like, it winted this out. Yeah,

711
00:48:52.960 --> 00:48:58.000
it was. Yeah. You know. There was one time where we

712
00:48:58.000 --> 00:49:00.559
were done at the bottoms and there
was a pretty good group of us there,

713
00:49:00.679 --> 00:49:06.039
several vehicles. I was walking down
the vehicles, you know, that

714
00:49:06.119 --> 00:49:12.480
were parked there along the tree line
away from the bridge, and one of

715
00:49:12.480 --> 00:49:15.400
the people that was with her,
her name was Crystal, and she had

716
00:49:15.440 --> 00:49:20.239
a big suburban and she had a
kid with her at the time. Her

717
00:49:20.239 --> 00:49:23.000
youngest was with her, and he
was probably six or seven years old at

718
00:49:23.000 --> 00:49:30.440
the time. And I walked by
her vehicle and her windows were halfway down,

719
00:49:32.239 --> 00:49:38.599
and I saw her kid laying in
the back seat. I could see,

720
00:49:38.679 --> 00:49:42.360
you know, somebody laying in the
back seat. It's pitch black dark,

721
00:49:42.960 --> 00:49:46.239
and that's what it was because I
heard those step why, it sounded

722
00:49:46.280 --> 00:49:50.800
like footsteps. And I had walked
back there and I saw the kid laying

723
00:49:50.840 --> 00:49:54.360
in the back seat and I heard
the growl, and I got nervous because,

724
00:49:54.360 --> 00:49:59.000
like, here's this kid conked out
in this suburban with the windows down

725
00:49:59.000 --> 00:50:01.480
and I'm hearing footstep up and growls
over here. Yeah. So I went

726
00:50:01.559 --> 00:50:07.159
back to the rest of the group
at the bridge and I said, Crystal,

727
00:50:07.000 --> 00:50:09.559
you might want to go get your
kid. Like I'm hearing some sounds

728
00:50:09.559 --> 00:50:13.559
from over there, and I think
I heard a growl, and she goes,

729
00:50:13.639 --> 00:50:15.559
what do you mean, I said, your kid in the back of

730
00:50:15.559 --> 00:50:19.920
the suburban. I heard something by
it, and she said, well,

731
00:50:19.920 --> 00:50:22.000
he's right here, he's over there
by so and so. And I look

732
00:50:22.000 --> 00:50:27.400
over and there's the kid standing on
the bridge with somebody, and I was

733
00:50:27.440 --> 00:50:30.159
like, well, who's laying down
in your back seat? And she's like

734
00:50:30.760 --> 00:50:37.119
nobody. So we walked over there
with flashlights. Nobody's in there, but

735
00:50:37.320 --> 00:50:40.199
I swear there was somebody laying in
that back seat whenever I walked by there.

736
00:50:40.599 --> 00:50:45.880
Wow. Well, I mean i'd
never heard you know, everything was

737
00:50:45.880 --> 00:50:49.920
always attributed to Bigfoot down there.
Yeah, so the idea that maybe there

738
00:50:49.960 --> 00:50:52.639
was paranormal stuff going on there too
kind of makes a lot of sense for

739
00:50:52.679 --> 00:50:57.199
some of the stuff that was happening
down there. Yeah, And I think

740
00:50:57.280 --> 00:51:02.119
for some reason, it's getting more
it's more evident, more more there because,

741
00:51:02.440 --> 00:51:06.000
like I said, you know,
the last time we went, we

742
00:51:06.000 --> 00:51:07.239
didn't get anything. That's why I
found them. I'm like, I'm getting

743
00:51:07.360 --> 00:51:12.840
comfortable again. Yeah, me too, Let's go. And so we're really

744
00:51:13.559 --> 00:51:16.800
Since then, we've I think we've
only been back there once. And it's

745
00:51:17.079 --> 00:51:22.039
I got talked about seditious. It's
just not. The feeling is not.

746
00:51:22.159 --> 00:51:23.679
It's not a good feeling. It's
not. It's like we're not supposed to

747
00:51:23.719 --> 00:51:29.239
be here, or something doesn't want
us here and it wants to make it

748
00:51:29.320 --> 00:51:32.320
a point to show us that it
doesn't want us. So do you hear

749
00:51:32.679 --> 00:51:38.519
stories of people seeing things that aren't
big foot? Oh? Yeah, oh

750
00:51:38.599 --> 00:51:45.559
yeah, I've got I've heard stories
of you know, people seeing by foot

751
00:51:46.360 --> 00:51:49.880
look like a praying man. It's
walking on his high legs. You know.

752
00:51:51.880 --> 00:51:59.320
Uh, there's actually a real like
a skinny like you know, a

753
00:51:59.440 --> 00:52:02.119
real skin almost like what do you
call him? A slender man kind of

754
00:52:02.880 --> 00:52:09.119
uh? Beyah. My cousin,
his son saw it crossing the highway down

755
00:52:09.159 --> 00:52:13.000
here below my house. He said
it was skinny. It was real skinny.

756
00:52:13.840 --> 00:52:16.920
Yeah. And like I said,
when my well, we're coming back

757
00:52:17.519 --> 00:52:22.880
from My mom moved in Darko,
and so I went down to see her.

758
00:52:22.960 --> 00:52:27.039
And I was married at the time, and I had we had hers

759
00:52:27.119 --> 00:52:30.920
minding ours, and so the kids
were sleeping the back because it was like

760
00:52:30.440 --> 00:52:37.239
about eleven o'clock. Were coming back
and got outside of Grace Mott and and

761
00:52:37.320 --> 00:52:40.559
so we're just talking. The kids
are asleep, and we're at the suv

762
00:52:42.039 --> 00:52:44.960
and we come up on that hill
and I see it. My parent peal,

763
00:52:45.000 --> 00:52:47.280
I'll see a deer. It's coming
out of the tree line, jumps

764
00:52:47.320 --> 00:52:52.320
the fence and hits the bar ditch
and then he comes up and he's gonna

765
00:52:52.440 --> 00:52:57.840
he's coming right out in front of
me, and and so I'm not gonna

766
00:52:57.880 --> 00:53:00.320
swerve try to miss him. I'm
just gonna hit him because I got kids

767
00:53:00.320 --> 00:53:05.119
in the back. And so I
just kind of gripped the stern wheel and

768
00:53:06.039 --> 00:53:08.719
my now ex wife at the time
grabbed the old crap handle and the dash

769
00:53:08.760 --> 00:53:13.679
because you know, she was bracing
so she saw it too. Yeah,

770
00:53:13.719 --> 00:53:15.559
oh yeah, and so and so
just as we got on the hill,

771
00:53:16.239 --> 00:53:20.239
all of a sudden there's an owl
and he's slapping his wings trying to get

772
00:53:20.239 --> 00:53:22.719
out of our way, and he
get you know, he goes up just

773
00:53:22.800 --> 00:53:30.000
as we go by. And and
so as we go down the hill and

774
00:53:30.119 --> 00:53:32.119
then we come up the next hill, we're both quiet, and so we

775
00:53:32.159 --> 00:53:35.719
started going off the next hill and
I let kid, I said, what

776
00:53:35.840 --> 00:53:37.280
did gc? She steep back to
where it was a dear. So I

777
00:53:37.320 --> 00:53:40.719
was getting ready for the impact.
It was a dear and I said,

778
00:53:42.079 --> 00:53:45.320
oh, it was an owl,
And she goes, is that a I

779
00:53:45.400 --> 00:53:46.159
said, yep. I said,
I had to be a shape, sister,

780
00:53:46.880 --> 00:53:50.519
I shaped hill because that gear we
were gonna we were gonna plan it

781
00:53:50.599 --> 00:53:52.599
because like I said, I saw
it come out because that night I saw

782
00:53:52.639 --> 00:53:55.480
it come out over the fence into
the bar, gets up on the highway

783
00:53:55.960 --> 00:54:00.760
and just as it was coming into
our path. It's an hour, it's

784
00:54:00.760 --> 00:54:02.800
flapping this way and he's he's flapping
to get out of our way. We're

785
00:54:02.840 --> 00:54:06.239
just like, because you know,
I didn't slow down, I didn't hit

786
00:54:06.320 --> 00:54:08.000
my brakes. I was just breaking
brakes and for impact, because I wanted

787
00:54:08.039 --> 00:54:12.159
to take a chance on you know, flipping the vehicle with the kids and

788
00:54:12.400 --> 00:54:16.199
you know, sleeping stuff. I
don't know if the listeners are aware or

789
00:54:16.239 --> 00:54:22.440
not, but hitting a deer is
a pretty big impact. Yeah. I

790
00:54:22.480 --> 00:54:27.000
mean, even if its the dough, it's still yeah. Yeah, and

791
00:54:27.679 --> 00:54:31.880
it's just yeah, it was just
and she and she was Steve's because where

792
00:54:31.880 --> 00:54:36.199
it was deer said okay, so
make sure we were on the same page

793
00:54:36.760 --> 00:54:37.960
that the kids didn't see it.
They were asleep, which was you know,

794
00:54:38.079 --> 00:54:43.039
it was black as that posits an
hour, but so yeah, I've

795
00:54:43.079 --> 00:54:47.280
seen yeah that. And I was
telling about the about the stories about the

796
00:54:47.559 --> 00:54:52.039
community house being haunted. I said, I went when I was law enforcement

797
00:54:52.119 --> 00:54:55.159
down there, and the window was
opened and and you got to go in

798
00:54:55.320 --> 00:54:58.920
and walk the whole length of the
building just to get to old bill and

799
00:54:58.920 --> 00:55:01.840
built in the thirties. And uh. And I went back then and shut

800
00:55:01.920 --> 00:55:05.880
the window. I came back and
checked that middle door, and then that

801
00:55:06.039 --> 00:55:08.239
from behind me, it was a
deep voice. I said, what are

802
00:55:08.320 --> 00:55:13.320
you doing here? I was like
what. I turned around, looked around.

803
00:55:14.119 --> 00:55:16.159
Okay, I's walked on out.
I got my jeep and lifts.

804
00:55:17.320 --> 00:55:25.719
Yeah, that wasn't in the police
handbook. Yeah, but I mean then

805
00:55:27.039 --> 00:55:30.880
that one night I was getting ready
that I was logging out and our office

806
00:55:30.880 --> 00:55:35.719
is way in the back and something
kicked the front door. The doors are

807
00:55:35.800 --> 00:55:39.400
locked, they're double doors, glass
doors, and something just I mean it,

808
00:55:39.440 --> 00:55:44.119
something like he just kicked the doors. Boom boom, boom. And

809
00:55:44.199 --> 00:55:46.440
so I jumped up and running down
the hallway and went out, looked around.

810
00:55:47.079 --> 00:55:50.320
Nothing had my flashlight. I mean, there's no place. Came back

811
00:55:50.320 --> 00:55:54.679
at high because it's parking are parking
lot, you know, and nothing.

812
00:55:55.119 --> 00:55:59.360
And so but before that, before
I started working there, i'd go back

813
00:55:59.400 --> 00:56:02.320
there and this lady named Ruby,
that was her office and I was talking

814
00:56:02.360 --> 00:56:05.760
to her. Well maybe I was. I was security before I came off

815
00:56:06.039 --> 00:56:09.320
it because they're trying to get all
everything together because they just fired their other

816
00:56:09.960 --> 00:56:15.400
officers and they were still trying to
get everything together, and so they said,

817
00:56:15.440 --> 00:56:16.760
you know, just pulled security for
now. And so I went in

818
00:56:16.880 --> 00:56:20.960
and talked to her, and we'll
be talking and you'd see something go by

819
00:56:21.000 --> 00:56:23.599
the window. They were a little
bitty windows, probably about six by well

820
00:56:23.599 --> 00:56:27.760
they were long, I'll you know, long windows, but they were you

821
00:56:27.880 --> 00:56:30.559
know, six inches wide, but
they were you know, just the length

822
00:56:30.599 --> 00:56:36.400
of the room and from the ceilings
floor. And I saw something the bias

823
00:56:37.039 --> 00:56:38.880
somebody outside. Steve, I see
it all the time. You go look,

824
00:56:38.920 --> 00:56:43.000
there's nobody will be there. He
said. It goes by window all

825
00:56:43.039 --> 00:56:46.440
the time. So I'll say,
okay, well, if you're okay with

826
00:56:46.519 --> 00:56:52.639
it. You know, did you
court tell you about the outside of grace

827
00:56:52.719 --> 00:56:55.960
Mont like about a year ago,
like a m I have been last summer

828
00:56:58.320 --> 00:57:04.920
about that. We went by over
by Sugar Creek and there's a there's a

829
00:57:05.039 --> 00:57:07.199
river bid, there's a drive river
bid bid, and then there's the creek

830
00:57:07.280 --> 00:57:15.679
itself. And so we went on
this side because his nephews, grandfather Lisa's

831
00:57:15.719 --> 00:57:19.920
that property. And I've been talking
about, uh, strange things happen,

832
00:57:20.440 --> 00:57:23.320
big hay Bales being moved, you
know, rolled rolled into the field.

833
00:57:24.159 --> 00:57:29.599
You know those how hay bales aren't
aren't light right, And yeah, so

834
00:57:29.760 --> 00:57:35.760
we went and so we we had
him with us, and so we walked,

835
00:57:35.920 --> 00:57:39.199
we walked down into that barbage and
he goes, are you sensing anything

836
00:57:39.280 --> 00:57:43.280
you you know, you sensing him
or or the ear? I said,

837
00:57:43.679 --> 00:57:45.719
man, he I said, something's
here. I said, but it's not.

838
00:57:45.039 --> 00:57:49.159
It's not Harry, I said,
it's those thing's ancient. I said,

839
00:57:49.440 --> 00:57:52.880
it's weird. It said, it's
it's something that's been here longer than

840
00:57:52.000 --> 00:57:57.760
we have. And he said,
and so you know, his nephews like,

841
00:57:57.880 --> 00:57:59.360
oh, what do you think he
did? Yes, I don't know.

842
00:58:00.119 --> 00:58:02.280
I don't know, he said,
said I don't know. I said,

843
00:58:02.280 --> 00:58:05.920
I'm not. Don't get me speculating. By that time, we could

844
00:58:05.960 --> 00:58:08.159
hear something. We could hear too, something coming towards us, but it

845
00:58:08.280 --> 00:58:15.000
wasn't it was pour legged and and
so all I had was a flashlight and

846
00:58:15.239 --> 00:58:22.000
Kurt had his back vision doggle just
the chronicle order, you know, the

847
00:58:22.320 --> 00:58:28.880
lens. And so we're sitting there
and we could hear it coming and and

848
00:58:28.960 --> 00:58:36.920
so I waited till I got about
it's probably about seven six seven yards from

849
00:58:37.039 --> 00:58:42.280
us, and it hit the hit
the flashlight, and it was a wolf,

850
00:58:43.400 --> 00:58:47.800
but it was it had long,
curly fur. It wasn't slick colored,

851
00:58:49.239 --> 00:58:52.639
it wasn't slick bird. It was
curly, I mean, really weird

852
00:58:52.800 --> 00:58:58.679
curly, bright yellow eyes. And
just as I hit that flashlight, as

853
00:58:58.719 --> 00:59:02.480
it hit him, he stopped in
mid step and then it's kind of looked

854
00:59:02.519 --> 00:59:07.880
at us and slid to the side, slid out of the light. He

855
00:59:07.960 --> 00:59:14.159
didn't walk, he didn't cry,
He just slid to the side. And

856
00:59:14.760 --> 00:59:19.119
his nephew saw it too, And
I turned the light off, and I

857
00:59:19.199 --> 00:59:21.880
looked at I happened to look at
Kurt, and he was looking through that

858
00:59:22.679 --> 00:59:23.920
and he kind of jerked his head
and he looked at me. He goes,

859
00:59:24.000 --> 00:59:27.239
yeah, I think you better get
out of here. And so we

860
00:59:27.320 --> 00:59:30.599
got up to the top of the
field and he goes, so I told

861
00:59:30.679 --> 00:59:32.920
him what we saw. He goes, he as well, He goes,

862
00:59:34.000 --> 00:59:37.800
I saw I had a heat signature
coming across that field. He said.

863
00:59:37.800 --> 00:59:39.239
Then all of a sudden, it
was like right in front of me,

864
00:59:39.360 --> 00:59:43.360
like it went from that field that
just right in front of me, he

865
00:59:43.519 --> 00:59:45.480
said. I said that when he
jerked and he goes, Yeah, he

866
00:59:45.519 --> 00:59:46.400
goes. So I was like,
you know, he's a pull bunt,

867
00:59:46.880 --> 00:59:52.239
not using down and there wasn't anything
there. He said, do you care

868
00:59:52.280 --> 00:59:53.280
if I get my a R?
I said, if it makes you feel

869
00:59:53.320 --> 00:59:58.960
better, if you want to make
makes you feel a little secure, then

870
00:59:59.000 --> 01:00:08.320
yeah, sure. But that just
happened last year and yeah yeah outside.

871
01:00:08.440 --> 01:00:12.719
Yeah, man, gray Spawn is
a hotbed. What's the deal at that

872
01:00:12.880 --> 01:00:15.599
place? You know? I don't
know. We were talking about that the

873
01:00:15.679 --> 01:00:20.320
other night when I was talking to
my friend from Grace Spot were in gray

874
01:00:20.320 --> 01:00:23.280
Smont and we're talking about that because
we were talking about that. I used

875
01:00:23.280 --> 01:00:27.760
to That's how Kurt and I met
because I was the chief down here.

876
01:00:27.760 --> 01:00:32.960
I was a law enforcement down there
and I came across his group when they

877
01:00:34.000 --> 01:00:36.880
were leaving the cafe. They stopped
and ate at the cafe because they were

878
01:00:37.360 --> 01:00:39.719
outside of gray Spat. They used
to have a spot there that's no longer

879
01:00:39.760 --> 01:00:44.239
there anymore. But and that's you
know, I got talking to him and

880
01:00:44.239 --> 01:00:45.920
they tell me who they are,
what they were doing, and so I

881
01:00:46.000 --> 01:00:49.519
told him a few of my stories. So that's how I met Lucy and

882
01:00:50.079 --> 01:00:53.599
Hurt. They were part of that
grew so anyway, but yeah, one

883
01:00:53.800 --> 01:00:59.039
one night, I walked out of
the City Halls right at the end of

884
01:00:59.039 --> 01:01:04.239
the main street, and I walked
out of the out of the office and

885
01:01:04.400 --> 01:01:07.480
I looked, because there's a part
when you come out to the left there

886
01:01:08.320 --> 01:01:13.280
there's a park and it's got the
Merry go Around swings and you know,

887
01:01:13.559 --> 01:01:19.840
and that murder around was just one
no win And I had another auster with

888
01:01:19.920 --> 01:01:25.119
now that Merry go Around and and
we sat there and washed it and then

889
01:01:25.679 --> 01:01:30.119
it just slowly just stopped going around, like oh, somebody's here, you

890
01:01:30.159 --> 01:01:32.159
know, or someone's sauce, and
it just quit and that kind of you

891
01:01:32.239 --> 01:01:35.920
know. We were like, man, that's weird. And then went down

892
01:01:35.920 --> 01:01:43.840
there and took pictures and they were
there were sports all over down that at

893
01:01:43.880 --> 01:01:51.599
that park. I can't remember.
Outside of Grace once somewhere there's like a

894
01:01:51.679 --> 01:01:54.679
little church and a bridge or something. It's like Chapel Road or something like

895
01:01:54.840 --> 01:02:01.159
that. We went down there and
it was another one of those places just

896
01:02:01.639 --> 01:02:05.559
you know, as soon as you
got out, just everything was really thick

897
01:02:05.639 --> 01:02:10.320
filling. Yeah. Yeah, And
some one of us had a night vision

898
01:02:10.559 --> 01:02:14.760
scope. This was back whenever night
vision was state of the art there.

899
01:02:14.880 --> 01:02:17.159
Thermal wasn't even a thing you could
get yet. Yeah. And uh,

900
01:02:17.480 --> 01:02:22.239
there was something, you know,
kind of off in the fence line.

901
01:02:22.480 --> 01:02:25.119
You know, it's all grown up
out there and everything, and there was

902
01:02:25.239 --> 01:02:31.599
something kind of ducking down and like
watching us for quite a while. I

903
01:02:31.679 --> 01:02:35.599
couldn't figure out what it was.
I mean, it looked like a head

904
01:02:35.679 --> 01:02:38.360
and shoulders whatever it was. Yeah. And then there was a lady.

905
01:02:39.679 --> 01:02:44.280
Yeah. And then there was a
lady with us, and uh, she's

906
01:02:44.360 --> 01:02:49.480
no longer with us. Her name
was Kelly, but Kelly kind of I

907
01:02:49.519 --> 01:02:52.400
would say, Uh, you know, she was one of those people that

908
01:02:52.559 --> 01:02:55.000
was gifted, like she could sense
things for sure. Yeah, And uh,

909
01:02:55.599 --> 01:03:00.559
she was just getting hit the whole
time we were there. She just

910
01:03:00.679 --> 01:03:04.880
felt sick, you know, she
was miserable. Yeah, she just did

911
01:03:04.920 --> 01:03:07.039
not mean to be there at all. And then, uh, we had

912
01:03:07.079 --> 01:03:10.119
a dog with us, a German
shepherd, and it was freaked out.

913
01:03:10.360 --> 01:03:15.159
It wouldn't get out of the truck. It was acting skittish and I can't

914
01:03:15.159 --> 01:03:20.840
remember who it was, but one
of us wasn't me. One of us

915
01:03:20.920 --> 01:03:23.199
went to check on the dog or
get something out of the truck, and

916
01:03:23.320 --> 01:03:28.440
the window was down and I mean
that dog jumped on him and bit him

917
01:03:28.559 --> 01:03:31.039
right in the face. I mean, that's how wound up this dog was,

918
01:03:31.199 --> 01:03:35.719
and just totally out of character for
this dog. And yeah, yeah,

919
01:03:36.360 --> 01:03:39.360
after that happened, you know,
we decide, well, I think

920
01:03:39.440 --> 01:03:44.480
we better go something. Something ain't
right, something ain't right at all.

921
01:03:45.639 --> 01:03:49.000
But yeah, I heard all kind
of stories about that area and just grace

922
01:03:49.119 --> 01:03:52.199
Mont in general. Yeah I've got
I mean, I said, I've got

923
01:03:52.679 --> 01:03:59.039
I've got several stories that I didn't
even I've got like shee stories. I

924
01:03:59.119 --> 01:04:04.559
polic to go ahead and tell you
you're talking about, you know, duck.

925
01:04:04.639 --> 01:04:10.440
And then so this was back in
eighty six. How long ago was

926
01:04:11.000 --> 01:04:14.920
I remember the I remember the date, and I remember the year. It

927
01:04:15.039 --> 01:04:19.119
was December twenty nine, and and
my sister and her husband was living with

928
01:04:19.320 --> 01:04:23.599
us at the time, and so
you know, it was a weekend.

929
01:04:24.000 --> 01:04:28.760
We were bored, We're out out
of school. And so I was like,

930
01:04:28.840 --> 01:04:32.639
hey, you want to you wanna
go get John, which is our

931
01:04:32.760 --> 01:04:36.079
cousin and next door neighbor, and
I want to go into the woods.

932
01:04:36.119 --> 01:04:39.920
It was about eleven o'clock and I
said, sure, you know, why

933
01:04:39.960 --> 01:04:42.199
not, you know, we're not
doing anything else. And I said,

934
01:04:42.199 --> 01:04:44.920
this was back in the eighties,
so you know, we didn't we didn't

935
01:04:44.960 --> 01:04:49.119
have cable TV. We had antenna. So yeah, so we so we're

936
01:04:49.159 --> 01:04:51.400
getting to go over there and get
them, and we'd go be bopping in

937
01:04:51.400 --> 01:04:54.519
the woods, and like I said, once you get over that hill,

938
01:04:55.039 --> 01:04:58.000
there's a fence. And so my
brother and my cousin in the daytime,

939
01:04:58.679 --> 01:05:01.280
had one follow him back in the
woods when they were hunting, and it

940
01:05:01.360 --> 01:05:04.440
stopped that at that fence line,
and then it didn't follow on any further.

941
01:05:05.320 --> 01:05:09.440
So we go in. We had
just went and got a Christmas tree

942
01:05:09.480 --> 01:05:12.559
a couple of weeks. My mom
wanted a real Christmas tree, and so

943
01:05:13.000 --> 01:05:16.039
we didn't want to drag across the
field. So like cousin John laid down

944
01:05:16.079 --> 01:05:18.920
and rolled all the way down the
hill and make a little trail for us

945
01:05:19.000 --> 01:05:25.800
to pull the tree through. So
so we went into the woods and it

946
01:05:25.920 --> 01:05:30.920
was moonlight and we could see something
standing off in the distance, and we

947
01:05:30.559 --> 01:05:33.159
had all we had was binoculars.
So we told him, you know,

948
01:05:33.159 --> 01:05:35.719
we give him choice. You can
either go with us, go with one

949
01:05:35.760 --> 01:05:39.400
of us to go down there see
what it is, or you can stand

950
01:05:39.519 --> 01:05:43.159
up here and tell us which way
to go, you know, left right,

951
01:05:43.519 --> 01:05:45.159
you know, it moved. He
said, I'll stay here. You

952
01:05:45.239 --> 01:05:47.760
know, he was scared, and
I said, okay, So my brother

953
01:05:47.800 --> 01:05:50.400
in law I went and started walking
down there, and we're kind of talking

954
01:05:50.440 --> 01:05:53.880
real low, and we're walking towards
where you know, I thought it was

955
01:05:53.920 --> 01:05:57.000
gonna be. And so we turned
around to yell him, said, okay,

956
01:05:57.039 --> 01:05:59.719
which way did we go? And
he's standing right behind us, so

957
01:06:00.400 --> 01:06:01.440
we don't know, you know,
exactly where it goes. So we'd go

958
01:06:01.480 --> 01:06:04.880
where we think it was, and
nothing there. So we start walking back,

959
01:06:05.840 --> 01:06:12.000
well back into our left in the
tree line. You could hear footsteps

960
01:06:12.039 --> 01:06:17.400
like when we were walking. It
was walking. But then we just used

961
01:06:17.440 --> 01:06:19.559
the sign, you know, to
make us, you know, just just

962
01:06:19.599 --> 01:06:24.639
stop walking, a hand signal.
And so when it we'd walk and we

963
01:06:24.760 --> 01:06:28.280
do that, we'd stop it and
we take an extra step. We'd walk

964
01:06:28.320 --> 01:06:30.880
a little further, we do the
hand sign and we stop it, take

965
01:06:30.920 --> 01:06:34.679
an extra step, but it stops. And it did that. It followed

966
01:06:34.719 --> 01:06:38.119
us all the way up to the
tree line, which is probably about sixty

967
01:06:38.199 --> 01:06:41.039
yards. We were sixty yards into
the tree, into the you know,

968
01:06:41.199 --> 01:06:45.559
tree line, and so we got
to the fence, and so we crossed

969
01:06:45.599 --> 01:06:49.719
it and then we went down like
we were going back to the house,

970
01:06:50.119 --> 01:06:54.199
and then we doubled back, came
up that little trail that he bade us,

971
01:06:54.280 --> 01:06:57.000
you know, to get the Christmas
tree there, and then we came

972
01:06:57.079 --> 01:07:00.079
around that other tree line. And
what we did was we caught two juveniles

973
01:07:00.159 --> 01:07:05.119
in the tree line and they were
they probably weren't not even six foot tall,

974
01:07:05.519 --> 01:07:10.559
because there was two levels and they
were going from tree like almost like

975
01:07:11.039 --> 01:07:14.280
cover like you know, cover me, cover cover one, cover two,

976
01:07:14.800 --> 01:07:16.840
and they were going from tree to
tree, and they were they hide behind

977
01:07:16.880 --> 01:07:19.639
the tree, and so they got
they got close enough. I mean,

978
01:07:19.679 --> 01:07:27.159
I got the binoculars out and I
could see one that was kind of squatting

979
01:07:27.280 --> 01:07:29.960
behind a tree. I was so
close and it was so clear. I

980
01:07:30.000 --> 01:07:31.800
could see it's but cheeks, that's
all I could see. I couldn't see

981
01:07:31.800 --> 01:07:34.639
it till but I see it's butt
sticking out from behind a tree. And

982
01:07:34.760 --> 01:07:43.760
they got they got within forty thirty
forty yards of us, and so we

983
01:07:43.840 --> 01:07:46.559
were and then we're kind of throwing
things into the tree line, and then

984
01:07:46.760 --> 01:07:49.280
it just occurred to me and I
looked at my brother and I said,

985
01:07:49.320 --> 01:07:54.880
hey, if those are the babies, where's mom and dad? Yeah,

986
01:07:55.079 --> 01:07:57.559
and he looked at me and they
were like, okay, I think it's

987
01:07:57.559 --> 01:07:59.960
time to go. Let's go,
ye know, And so we left.

988
01:08:00.199 --> 01:08:04.760
That was just that was just a
couple of the fence lines up from my

989
01:08:04.880 --> 01:08:10.800
house. So yeah, so we
yeah, we can't. We came back

990
01:08:10.840 --> 01:08:14.079
home and we were kind of freaked
out, and you know, we're like,

991
01:08:14.320 --> 01:08:16.760
well, I can't go to sleep
now. But but I mean nothing,

992
01:08:16.840 --> 01:08:19.439
you know, nothing, nothing ever
became of it. But they were

993
01:08:19.960 --> 01:08:23.800
coming closer and they're going they were
going from treating tree and there was two

994
01:08:23.800 --> 01:08:27.640
of them, and I could I
could see the silhouette of one barely,

995
01:08:28.119 --> 01:08:30.039
but that one got so close that
when it squad behind that tree, I

996
01:08:30.079 --> 01:08:33.800
could, you know, I've seen
that. But and yeah, and so

997
01:08:35.199 --> 01:08:43.000
that was that was I've only seen
him like that that then, uh and

998
01:08:43.239 --> 01:08:46.880
in the tree line. And then
we had you know, back in two

999
01:08:46.960 --> 01:08:50.880
thousand and one that you know,
the rash of big foot sightings around here.

1000
01:08:53.720 --> 01:08:57.840
Yeah, and so and so this
gentleman, I don't know if I

1001
01:08:58.279 --> 01:09:02.279
shouldn't say his name, I was
calling Doug. He I guess he had

1002
01:09:02.319 --> 01:09:08.119
a friend in the BFR oh and
there he was from up around Tulsa.

1003
01:09:08.840 --> 01:09:11.880
Yeah, and so his his buddy
came down. I set up on the

1004
01:09:12.279 --> 01:09:16.000
on the travel dance round of stuff
and had his cameras and his little uh,

1005
01:09:16.880 --> 01:09:20.880
his wires, trip wires, set
up everything, and I felt bad

1006
01:09:20.920 --> 01:09:25.279
for him. He's struggling. He's
like, I'm not getting anything. And

1007
01:09:25.680 --> 01:09:28.840
so finally I said, can I
trust him? And I was like,

1008
01:09:28.960 --> 01:09:30.239
yeah, I think you can trust
him. Yeah, you can trust him.

1009
01:09:30.239 --> 01:09:32.000
I said, you think, or
can I He goes you can,

1010
01:09:32.640 --> 01:09:34.239
and so I went to talk to
him. I saif, like, dude,

1011
01:09:34.439 --> 01:09:38.800
I said, I can take you
somewhere where you'll get some activity.

1012
01:09:38.880 --> 01:09:42.000
I said, but you gotta you
can't tell anybody where this place is.

1013
01:09:43.279 --> 01:09:45.479
He's like okay, and he goes, what I need to take us?

1014
01:09:45.520 --> 01:09:48.880
Whatever you want to take your camera
whatever. So all he brought was a

1015
01:09:48.960 --> 01:09:56.600
camera, and so I took him
to this place where we've had a lot

1016
01:09:56.680 --> 01:10:00.640
of activity. I mean I took
I took some friends ends up there in

1017
01:10:00.720 --> 01:10:05.359
a jeep and we backed up and
you know, we were getting hammered by

1018
01:10:05.479 --> 01:10:10.239
cans and whatever they could find,
and so we left. So the next

1019
01:10:10.359 --> 01:10:14.000
night we came back and to get
to up to that road to go.

1020
01:10:14.720 --> 01:10:16.239
It wasn't really a road, but
it was, and it was an old

1021
01:10:16.359 --> 01:10:19.920
road but had been used and forever. And when we got there there was

1022
01:10:20.079 --> 01:10:25.840
saw machines, big eight foot ladders, just all kinds of things in the

1023
01:10:25.920 --> 01:10:30.720
middle of that road all the way
around that curves like keep out, and

1024
01:10:30.880 --> 01:10:34.479
so I would go move that stuff. When we went and I can't remember

1025
01:10:34.520 --> 01:10:36.760
what happened. Something freaked him out. He took off, he hit that

1026
01:10:36.880 --> 01:10:40.920
saw machine. It went up and
his his fender, but he kept going

1027
01:10:40.920 --> 01:10:43.199
and didn't stop until he got down
to the highway. And I had to

1028
01:10:43.239 --> 01:10:46.399
try that thing out and they would
they wouldn't go back again, but anyway,

1029
01:10:46.479 --> 01:10:49.640
so I took him to the spot
and parked in the same place,

1030
01:10:49.960 --> 01:10:54.640
and we got the same reaction.
There was we could we counted probably maybe

1031
01:10:54.880 --> 01:10:58.439
you know, five or six.
We could hear a movement on every side,

1032
01:10:58.520 --> 01:11:01.600
but we we backed up, backed
up to where nothing come in from

1033
01:11:01.640 --> 01:11:05.399
behind us. So you know,
to the front and to the left and

1034
01:11:05.439 --> 01:11:12.079
the right, we heard all kinds
of movements. And so he'd video and

1035
01:11:12.159 --> 01:11:14.720
then he'd watch it on his little
screen. If he didn't see anything that

1036
01:11:14.760 --> 01:11:18.960
he'd be again. And uh so, you know, he he got you

1037
01:11:19.039 --> 01:11:24.479
know, he got his feel of
activity because he he was starting to get

1038
01:11:24.520 --> 01:11:28.960
freaked out a little bit because they
were getting close. And so we left

1039
01:11:29.439 --> 01:11:32.199
and it was it was going on
daylight. Because I told him, I

1040
01:11:32.239 --> 01:11:34.720
said, it's getting it's about to
be daylight. And I said they're gonna

1041
01:11:34.760 --> 01:11:38.640
they're gonna disappear. And I said, said we might as well go.

1042
01:11:39.920 --> 01:11:42.560
And so because he started to get
all of this equipment together, and so

1043
01:11:43.239 --> 01:11:45.000
it was like two days later,
I got a I got a phone call.

1044
01:11:45.640 --> 01:11:51.239
He said, I'm I'm I'm gonna
send you this. Uh it's gonna

1045
01:11:51.279 --> 01:11:55.960
be on a CD. He said, it's a footage. He said,

1046
01:11:56.000 --> 01:11:58.640
I got pictures. He said,
well, sure, you just have to

1047
01:11:58.680 --> 01:12:00.840
see it. He's I can't really
tell you at it, but when you

1048
01:12:00.039 --> 01:12:03.640
when you look at it, he
said, calling me back. And so

1049
01:12:03.800 --> 01:12:10.159
I looked at it, and what
it was was he got you know,

1050
01:12:10.239 --> 01:12:15.560
like I said, they were all
around us, but he was videoing to

1051
01:12:15.840 --> 01:12:21.760
his probably his two o'clock and you
can see, I mean you all you

1052
01:12:21.800 --> 01:12:25.800
can see with the trees, you
can see a little bit light, you

1053
01:12:25.840 --> 01:12:30.439
know, behind it to make out
that there were trees and so, but

1054
01:12:30.720 --> 01:12:33.359
he said, watch this one he
goes. You'll see what I'm talking about.

1055
01:12:33.439 --> 01:12:38.119
You'll see he'll move a branch.
And so I'm watching and you can

1056
01:12:38.399 --> 01:12:41.439
see this. You see this hand
come up and move a branch. And

1057
01:12:41.920 --> 01:12:45.680
he's standing almost right in front of
us. I mean, he's probably about

1058
01:12:45.720 --> 01:12:49.359
tween about fifteen yards off, but
he's standing there, but you don't see

1059
01:12:49.399 --> 01:12:56.199
him until he reaches up and moves
that branch. And and so Doug and

1060
01:12:56.239 --> 01:13:00.600
I went back to the place where
a parked and yeah, looked at it.

1061
01:13:00.079 --> 01:13:04.039
He had to be at least nine
foot tall. Wow, and yeah.

1062
01:13:04.279 --> 01:13:09.159
And once once he moved, once
he moved, you could see the

1063
01:13:09.279 --> 01:13:14.119
protrudion he had, you know,
the the grilla cap or whatever you want

1064
01:13:14.119 --> 01:13:16.239
to call it. Once, once
he moved, you could make him out.

1065
01:13:16.399 --> 01:13:20.000
If he didn't move, we would
in their song. And so he

1066
01:13:20.159 --> 01:13:25.520
did a temperature corps. I think
his temperature was one hundred and nineteen degrees.

1067
01:13:26.479 --> 01:13:29.640
And once he did a heat.
Once he did the heat, put

1068
01:13:29.680 --> 01:13:31.359
the heat on there. You know
that you could see him in the tree

1069
01:13:31.439 --> 01:13:38.439
line. And so that became his
big uh. He was going to do

1070
01:13:38.520 --> 01:13:42.479
his own website. He left the
bfr O and that was that was his

1071
01:13:43.159 --> 01:13:46.000
That's why he's building his website and
everything around. I lost contract with us

1072
01:13:46.000 --> 01:13:47.960
though, I don't know, but
he told me at one time, he

1073
01:13:48.000 --> 01:13:50.920
goes, yeah, he goes.
I was at the show in Texas.

1074
01:13:51.039 --> 01:13:55.399
He said, this guy came up, like five thousand dollars on the table

1075
01:13:55.479 --> 01:13:57.720
and said, oh you gotta do
is whisper in my ear? Where that

1076
01:13:57.840 --> 01:14:00.439
place was? He said, I
didn't tell him as well. I said,

1077
01:14:00.439 --> 01:14:03.159
he hasn't had access to it anyway, so it'd be hard for him

1078
01:14:03.199 --> 01:14:09.279
that to get there anyway. And
so but yeah, it was, it

1079
01:14:09.439 --> 01:14:12.199
was, it was big, and
I said, if he wanted moved,

1080
01:14:13.119 --> 01:14:15.800
we went. We were never saw
him, but once he moved, then

1081
01:14:15.880 --> 01:14:17.560
you could see him and make it
out. That was only what he got.

1082
01:14:18.119 --> 01:14:23.119
But you know, he he did
record and he could hear a little

1083
01:14:23.119 --> 01:14:29.720
bit of vocalization, you know,
grunts, and you could hear things hitting

1084
01:14:29.760 --> 01:14:32.399
the jeep, you know. But
other than that, that was that was

1085
01:14:32.439 --> 01:14:34.439
all I got about. I mean, that was enough for him. But

1086
01:14:35.319 --> 01:14:41.640
he h yeah, and yeah,
he so he was he was happy with

1087
01:14:41.760 --> 01:14:45.039
that. I mean, he was
a static. So I don't know,

1088
01:14:45.119 --> 01:14:48.359
I guess he never saw one that
he says he's never saw one that big.

1089
01:14:49.479 --> 01:14:51.840
I said me either, I said
I didn't. I didn't know they

1090
01:14:51.880 --> 01:14:57.279
got that big here. I you
know eight maybe this guy was not about

1091
01:14:57.319 --> 01:15:01.279
over night foot tall. He was
huge. Did you know anybody that saw

1092
01:15:01.359 --> 01:15:09.279
the casino video? I it's it's
it's like Bigfoot himself. It's a miss.

1093
01:15:09.359 --> 01:15:15.720
I've never I've never I've heard it
exists, but I've never talked to

1094
01:15:15.800 --> 01:15:21.279
you. I'm personally that's seen it. And if it does exist, I'm

1095
01:15:21.359 --> 01:15:26.039
sure it's gonna get leaked sooner or
later. And if it doesn't exist,

1096
01:15:26.119 --> 01:15:30.119
I hope it does because I would
like to see it too. Now they've

1097
01:15:30.159 --> 01:15:35.319
got it all cut and mowed around
with a dumpster is and they got lights

1098
01:15:35.399 --> 01:15:39.119
on the dumpster and it's right off
the parking lot. Now it's used to

1099
01:15:39.159 --> 01:15:44.479
be kind of towards a tree line
and obscure, but now it's like it's

1100
01:15:44.600 --> 01:15:48.199
like they got lights on it and
they take the trash and it's around the

1101
01:15:48.279 --> 01:15:53.920
edge of the parking lot anymore.
So, have you heard anything recent from

1102
01:15:53.960 --> 01:16:01.600
the casino? The most recent was
probably about a year ago. They were

1103
01:16:01.680 --> 01:16:06.439
making the workers when you go in, there's a big, huge parking lot.

1104
01:16:06.640 --> 01:16:13.039
I guess that you got for like
semis and stuff. And they were

1105
01:16:13.439 --> 01:16:18.399
and along got tree line. I
mean the tree lines probably about ten fifteen

1106
01:16:18.399 --> 01:16:21.640
feet off from the parking lot,
but I say tree line. But they

1107
01:16:21.680 --> 01:16:29.680
were making their employees park along that, and so they'd have to walk out

1108
01:16:29.680 --> 01:16:31.720
of the casino, walk into that
big parking lot and go to their car.

1109
01:16:32.439 --> 01:16:36.720
And a couple of workers got whistled
at, you know, from the

1110
01:16:36.800 --> 01:16:41.640
tree line, and they're like,
what whistles? You know what whistles at

1111
01:16:41.720 --> 01:16:46.039
night? What whistles sell them?
Harryman, bigfoot whistles. Yeah. OK,

1112
01:16:46.199 --> 01:16:48.920
So that so that freaked them out. So now they don't make them

1113
01:16:48.960 --> 01:16:53.239
park over anymore. They parked in
the back parking lot or maybe on the

1114
01:16:53.279 --> 01:16:56.600
side over there, but hardly anybody
parks on that side over there. And

1115
01:16:57.159 --> 01:16:59.640
Karry and I went and set out
there, but we didn't get anything.

1116
01:17:00.479 --> 01:17:04.520
The thing about the casino that always
got me. I mean I talked to

1117
01:17:04.720 --> 01:17:12.920
enough people that like, yeah,
it happened for sure, and other stuff

1118
01:17:12.920 --> 01:17:16.199
has happened, but like if you
just drive up on the casino and look

1119
01:17:16.279 --> 01:17:20.119
at it, you're like, nah, there's there's no way that happened here.

1120
01:17:20.720 --> 01:17:25.479
I mean, it doesn't look like
there's any way for them to be

1121
01:17:25.720 --> 01:17:30.760
like really in cover or anything.
But that's just how it is out there.

1122
01:17:30.880 --> 01:17:33.880
Yea. Yeah, And you know, you know this from what I

1123
01:17:33.960 --> 01:17:41.079
understand who was telling me about Oh
it was on Mike's page where he said

1124
01:17:41.159 --> 01:17:44.119
that, you know, the I'm
not gonna make names, but the gentleman

1125
01:17:44.159 --> 01:17:48.880
that started the BFRO says that you
know, big Foot can't exist and is

1126
01:17:49.479 --> 01:17:54.079
not here in Oklahoma, not in
Southwest Oklahoma. I mean, is in

1127
01:17:54.119 --> 01:17:58.319
Oklahoma, but if he is,
he's down you know, southeast right or

1128
01:17:58.439 --> 01:18:03.720
over that way. There's no way
that he's he's in the southwest because there's

1129
01:18:03.760 --> 01:18:10.319
no no covering now. But I
mean there's so many there's so many witnesses

1130
01:18:10.520 --> 01:18:15.800
and you know, so many stories. I mean, I hear more here

1131
01:18:15.880 --> 01:18:19.600
than I do down down in the
south southeast. I mean, that's what

1132
01:18:19.680 --> 01:18:24.520
I've tried to you know, I
don't just go around talking about it all

1133
01:18:24.560 --> 01:18:28.560
the time. Obviously I talk about
it on the show sometimes, you know,

1134
01:18:29.000 --> 01:18:32.199
obviously with Kurt and with you.
But this part of Oklahoma, I

1135
01:18:32.239 --> 01:18:40.079
mean, it's just commonplace everybody's seen
it or know somebody that's seen it,

1136
01:18:40.960 --> 01:18:45.239
and you just stories come out of
there constantly. Oh yeah, and well

1137
01:18:45.319 --> 01:18:47.760
and with with Native Americans, you
know, Native Americans don't always share the

1138
01:18:47.920 --> 01:18:51.560
stories, but they do with other
Native Americans, or if they do and

1139
01:18:51.640 --> 01:18:55.920
you're and you're non Native, then
they trust you, right. So,

1140
01:18:56.439 --> 01:18:59.039
but yeah, but I mean,
I guess I've heard I've heard so many

1141
01:18:59.119 --> 01:19:03.840
stories uh where I grew up about
you know, him being on top of

1142
01:19:03.880 --> 01:19:09.720
the heall watching the cattle, or
him watching the kids play basketball. Uh.

1143
01:19:10.199 --> 01:19:13.439
You know, there's the two ponds
that are pretty close to my house

1144
01:19:13.560 --> 01:19:15.680
and he's been seeing in both of
them. You know I people have seen

1145
01:19:15.720 --> 01:19:19.279
them, you know, in both
of them. Uh yeah. So I

1146
01:19:19.359 --> 01:19:24.600
said to me, it's weird to
not have stories because, like I said,

1147
01:19:24.600 --> 01:19:27.319
I mean, you know, my
dogs were when I was little,

1148
01:19:27.359 --> 01:19:30.920
I had always had you know,
dogs, and they would always bark over

1149
01:19:31.039 --> 01:19:38.800
to the to the uh southwest or
south I'm sorry southeast part of the yard,

1150
01:19:39.239 --> 01:19:41.720
and it was like something was playing
with them because they barked and they

1151
01:19:41.840 --> 01:19:45.359
go towards it, and then they'd
run from it and they got bark and

1152
01:19:45.399 --> 01:19:47.119
they like go towards it, and
then they'd run from it. You know.

1153
01:19:47.279 --> 01:19:51.760
It was like I don't know if
they were playing with it or if

1154
01:19:51.800 --> 01:19:56.560
they were, you know, wanting
it. But my dogs are you know,

1155
01:19:56.600 --> 01:19:59.920
pretty smart. They wouldn't get into
the you know, out of the

1156
01:20:00.119 --> 01:20:02.119
yard. They would just stay right
there. And because my Dad's looked,

1157
01:20:02.479 --> 01:20:05.079
look what are they playing with?
And I'm like, you know, I'm

1158
01:20:05.079 --> 01:20:09.239
a little I'm like, I don't
know. He yes, m I wonder

1159
01:20:09.319 --> 01:20:12.640
what they're playing with? You know. Uh, well, I did have

1160
01:20:12.720 --> 01:20:15.439
one story I didn't experience. My
brother passed it on down to me.

1161
01:20:15.159 --> 01:20:17.920
But we're up around the house.
Is it used to be an older house

1162
01:20:18.199 --> 01:20:24.279
that they lived then before I was
born. And my brother said his bedroom

1163
01:20:24.359 --> 01:20:27.720
was on the end of the on
the south end of the house. Then

1164
01:20:27.760 --> 01:20:30.159
he said, one night he was
laying a bed and on the side on

1165
01:20:30.239 --> 01:20:31.960
the south side of the house,
it was like boo boo, boo boom

1166
01:20:31.960 --> 01:20:35.600
on the wall. He said,
shook the out house and shook his room.

1167
01:20:35.640 --> 01:20:38.279
And he said, he said,
man, he said, I got,

1168
01:20:38.680 --> 01:20:40.640
I got. I crawled out of
the bed and I crawled all the

1169
01:20:40.640 --> 01:20:44.800
ways down the hallway to to mom
and Dad's room and he said, I

1170
01:20:44.840 --> 01:20:46.960
knocked on the door, and he
said, my dad's what. He goes,

1171
01:20:47.239 --> 01:20:50.720
something just hit the house, and
he goes, what, you know,

1172
01:20:50.840 --> 01:20:54.079
something just hit the hit my bedroom
and something hit the side of the

1173
01:20:54.119 --> 01:20:57.520
house. And I think my brother
said, he's like thirteen, And my

1174
01:20:58.039 --> 01:21:00.359
dad said, all right. He
said, I heard my dad get up.

1175
01:21:00.560 --> 01:21:03.960
He came out the bid room and
had his slippers on and his robe,

1176
01:21:04.039 --> 01:21:06.479
and so he walked past him and
went out the door, and he

1177
01:21:06.560 --> 01:21:10.000
said here. I'm saying, hey, get out here, leave us alone.

1178
01:21:10.000 --> 01:21:12.279
We're not bothering. You, don't
bother us. Get out here.

1179
01:21:12.520 --> 01:21:15.880
He was alone, and he was
like, then he walked back in there.

1180
01:21:15.880 --> 01:21:17.000
He goes, okay, son,
go back to bed, you know,

1181
01:21:17.199 --> 01:21:19.960
walked in his room and shut the
door, and and my brother's like,

1182
01:21:20.439 --> 01:21:23.439
he's like, hey, no,
he said, I slept up there

1183
01:21:23.479 --> 01:21:25.439
my mom and Dad's door. You
know. He said, I want to

1184
01:21:25.479 --> 01:21:29.319
go back. I want to go
back there, you know, and that

1185
01:21:29.680 --> 01:21:32.199
you know, But like I said, i I've got so many story my

1186
01:21:32.279 --> 01:21:35.039
sisters seeing him once she was on
a walk, like I said, let's

1187
01:21:35.239 --> 01:21:41.159
get outside of that fence, and
you know, it seemed like you're in,

1188
01:21:41.319 --> 01:21:45.640
You're in his territory and my niece
I had. I've got two nieces

1189
01:21:45.680 --> 01:21:48.680
and one night they plopped up my
house it's probably been about five years ago,

1190
01:21:48.800 --> 01:21:51.680
four years ago, and said,
hey, we want to go look

1191
01:21:51.760 --> 01:21:58.079
for Harrymans. When we don't have
to go too far. I said,

1192
01:21:58.159 --> 01:22:01.119
let's go back here. And went
back there and and there was one behind

1193
01:22:01.199 --> 01:22:03.359
the tree. It wouldn't come out
from behind the tree. It was there

1194
01:22:03.399 --> 01:22:06.399
was a tree, and so I
was up close and I was trying to

1195
01:22:06.479 --> 01:22:09.960
get, you know, see if
it would come off one side the other.

1196
01:22:10.439 --> 01:22:13.199
And then while I was there,
they were laying kind of flat in

1197
01:22:13.319 --> 01:22:16.520
that field and they were getting hit
with rocks. I kept heard all I

1198
01:22:16.560 --> 01:22:19.560
said, what some from rocks that
as I said, well you know what

1199
01:22:19.640 --> 01:22:24.199
it is. Yeah, but he's
accurate, said, of course he's accurate.

1200
01:22:24.800 --> 01:22:27.079
And so then we got up back
to the tree line, got up

1201
01:22:27.119 --> 01:22:31.680
side of the fence and and then
we could hear him moving and they would

1202
01:22:31.720 --> 01:22:35.439
heard one start sneezing like it sounded
like a small one, and he had

1203
01:22:35.479 --> 01:22:39.800
it's you can't have. My niece
is funny back because she'll tell you about

1204
01:22:39.800 --> 01:22:43.279
it. I heard, because sneeze
and he's just starts sneezing, and then

1205
01:22:43.359 --> 01:22:45.039
you hear him. It's like something
picked him up and cure him away like

1206
01:22:45.159 --> 01:22:51.760
you here. And so that that
was enough for them. So we came

1207
01:22:51.840 --> 01:22:55.399
back home. But I gotta let
me tell you how clever they are.

1208
01:22:56.319 --> 01:23:00.920
Okay, So I moved back home
and I found it him ushing over here

1209
01:23:00.960 --> 01:23:03.119
on the on the yard where two
were laying, but it looked like their

1210
01:23:03.199 --> 01:23:06.640
legs were interlocked. But they were
laying off this hill that's behind my house.

1211
01:23:06.800 --> 01:23:10.319
Was my cousins wasn't living here,
and I wasn't living here, so

1212
01:23:10.439 --> 01:23:14.000
neither of these houses were occupied.
So I'm moving back out here. So

1213
01:23:14.079 --> 01:23:17.960
I went to Walmart, got a
got a bag of trail mix, the

1214
01:23:18.079 --> 01:23:23.359
salt and sweet, the sweet and
so sweet and salty. Uh. And

1215
01:23:23.399 --> 01:23:27.119
so I got two bags that that
trail mix, and I left them in

1216
01:23:27.159 --> 01:23:29.800
the Walmart bags. I tied the
handles, and I got kim lights,

1217
01:23:30.239 --> 01:23:31.800
and I tied the kim lights of
the handles. So I thought, I'm

1218
01:23:31.800 --> 01:23:34.520
gonna be smart. I'm gonna take
them out there and set it on that

1219
01:23:34.640 --> 01:23:38.119
fence, on that you know,
the fence that they they come up to

1220
01:23:38.159 --> 01:23:41.960
you. And so I broke the
kim lights. I set one on one

1221
01:23:42.039 --> 01:23:45.319
pole, you know, put put
the trash bag around the loops around that

1222
01:23:45.439 --> 01:23:49.640
pole, and I went about ten
poles down put another one on that.

1223
01:23:49.720 --> 01:23:55.479
I had two of them. So
I walked back it's probably three hundred two

1224
01:23:55.560 --> 01:24:00.399
hundred yards back to my house and
got up in the elm tree because you

1225
01:24:00.439 --> 01:24:02.880
know, it was it was fall. There was no no leaves, and

1226
01:24:02.920 --> 01:24:08.640
so I got up in that tree
and set there for about two hours and

1227
01:24:08.840 --> 01:24:10.960
just watching, you know, watching
those kimlights. I see it on the

1228
01:24:10.960 --> 01:24:14.359
skin lights go into the woods.
So I say out. There was going

1229
01:24:14.399 --> 01:24:16.680
on midnight, and I thought,
I'm getting tired. I'm gonna go get

1230
01:24:16.720 --> 01:24:19.319
those bags and move on closer to
the house and just go my bedroom.

1231
01:24:19.359 --> 01:24:25.640
Watched for the window, and so
I got going and I got closer to

1232
01:24:25.720 --> 01:24:28.800
the fence line. I looked,
those bags are kind of like blowing in

1233
01:24:28.880 --> 01:24:31.159
the wind a little bit. And
I looked, and the bags are empty.

1234
01:24:32.880 --> 01:24:35.239
What they did was poked a hole
on the bottom of the bag and

1235
01:24:35.359 --> 01:24:39.399
pulled the trail mix out, left
the bag and then kim light hanging on

1236
01:24:39.479 --> 01:24:44.960
the fence. What yes, And
I said, I said, knowing me

1237
01:24:45.880 --> 01:24:48.000
they've probably done that when I was
walking away, went to set the tree

1238
01:24:48.039 --> 01:24:50.840
line. So look at them sitting
up that tree watching for us, and

1239
01:24:50.920 --> 01:24:54.840
we just said, there eating that
trail mix. You know what it's done.

1240
01:24:55.479 --> 01:24:58.159
Yeah. I went back to I
went back to go mo those trails,

1241
01:24:58.199 --> 01:25:00.399
those bags, and the trail mix
is gone. And I had the

1242
01:25:00.439 --> 01:25:02.399
bag for a long time. I
don't know what happened to it, but

1243
01:25:02.520 --> 01:25:08.279
you can see like the hole that
like the I the finger that they used

1244
01:25:08.319 --> 01:25:13.199
to poke the hole was was probably
like three of my thumbs put together.

1245
01:25:13.560 --> 01:25:15.640
Wow. Yeah, I just poked
a hole in it, pulled the trail

1246
01:25:15.680 --> 01:25:20.279
mix out lets the bag's hand,
I said. And that's always tell people,

1247
01:25:20.439 --> 01:25:23.840
I said, you know, because
they always say, how come you

1248
01:25:23.880 --> 01:25:26.159
down and see it? How come
we down? Yeah? I said,

1249
01:25:26.159 --> 01:25:29.359
Well, something smart enough to poke
holes in a plastic bag and pull the

1250
01:25:29.399 --> 01:25:32.119
food out the lea the bags there, they're they're not that dumb. They're

1251
01:25:32.159 --> 01:25:35.680
not you know, they're not stupid. I had a lady, I heard

1252
01:25:35.680 --> 01:25:41.479
a lady that is you know that
that g town's coming into play again.

1253
01:25:42.439 --> 01:25:45.960
She lived there and she would feed
them. She would put food out in

1254
01:25:45.000 --> 01:25:48.920
this tree. So it's kind of
a dead tree and she would put food

1255
01:25:48.960 --> 01:25:55.159
out there native Native American, and
I had heard she had a polaroid of

1256
01:25:55.319 --> 01:25:59.319
them at that tree. So it's
a blurry polaroid, but they said,

1257
01:25:59.359 --> 01:26:01.880
you can make it out, you
know, silhouettes at that tree, but

1258
01:26:02.560 --> 01:26:06.880
furry silhouettes. But but she would
put food out there, and if they

1259
01:26:06.960 --> 01:26:10.560
came and there wouldn't hey food,
they would knock on her back door,

1260
01:26:11.640 --> 01:26:14.479
and she's like, all right,
And she said when she'd opened the door,

1261
01:26:14.520 --> 01:26:17.359
they wouldn't be anything there, and
says, so she would go and

1262
01:26:17.880 --> 01:26:20.520
get the food and go take it. Putting the tree. She said,

1263
01:26:20.640 --> 01:26:25.359
wait sometimes, but they would never
come while I'm looking, she says,

1264
01:26:25.399 --> 01:26:28.159
so I'd have to go and start
doing something else, or clean the house,

1265
01:26:28.279 --> 01:26:30.680
or shut the door and go do
something else. She said, then

1266
01:26:30.720 --> 01:26:32.159
and I opened the door and go
out there and looked at food to be

1267
01:26:32.239 --> 01:26:38.520
gone. They'd be gone. And
so she moved and she moved to Beinger

1268
01:26:39.319 --> 01:26:44.680
and she said it took him about
a year, I want to say,

1269
01:26:44.680 --> 01:26:47.119
about a year for them to find
her and knock on her back door at

1270
01:26:47.199 --> 01:26:54.399
being here. So they wanted food. She's she's she's tad. And I

1271
01:26:55.239 --> 01:26:59.239
asked some of the family you know, if they knew the polaroids and stuff,

1272
01:26:59.279 --> 01:27:00.239
and they're like, I don't know, I don't know what happened to

1273
01:27:00.279 --> 01:27:02.239
it. If it you know,
if it was there, I don't know,

1274
01:27:02.520 --> 01:27:05.920
you know who she left it too
or where she left it? One

1275
01:27:06.000 --> 01:27:09.960
last question before we cut out of
here, and I want to have you

1276
01:27:10.079 --> 01:27:15.720
back again for sure. I know
you got more stories. Do you hear

1277
01:27:15.920 --> 01:27:20.760
any stories about people seeing dog men
or whatever you want to call them.

1278
01:27:21.439 --> 01:27:30.800
I've heard, I've heard stories,
and I've that's kind of what I'm kind

1279
01:27:30.800 --> 01:27:35.800
of thinking as buying for his territory
out here. I'm kind of thinking that

1280
01:27:38.119 --> 01:27:43.119
it's a might be dog men that
are coming. That's why he's you know,

1281
01:27:43.199 --> 01:27:47.319
because for a long time we used
to have raccoons, possums, armadalas

1282
01:27:47.920 --> 01:27:51.319
you know, we had all of
them out here as kunks, and for

1283
01:27:54.640 --> 01:27:58.920
I want to say, good seven
eight years we've not had anything like that.

1284
01:28:00.680 --> 01:28:03.159
And Mike, I have a cousin
that goes back into those woods and

1285
01:28:03.279 --> 01:28:06.600
hunts. And he put it on
Facebook. He had a picture of a

1286
01:28:06.680 --> 01:28:14.800
possum head and he said, what
animal will eat a possum but leave the

1287
01:28:14.840 --> 01:28:18.760
head? It was just a head
there and so everybody started chiming in,

1288
01:28:18.960 --> 01:28:21.680
you know, well probably big Foot, and He's like, no, they

1289
01:28:21.680 --> 01:28:27.560
don't exist, you know, But
I've heard stories of dog Man. I've

1290
01:28:27.640 --> 01:28:34.239
heard not very many around here,
but you know, towards the back,

1291
01:28:34.479 --> 01:28:40.640
towards the south and the west and
out east, they have some. But

1292
01:28:41.600 --> 01:28:47.439
but so yeah, now I've I've
heard stories. I can't say that I've

1293
01:28:49.399 --> 01:28:54.079
ever seen one. But like I
said, that that vocalization that I got

1294
01:28:54.199 --> 01:28:59.560
that one night, I just happened
at my windows up and I told Curt

1295
01:28:59.600 --> 01:29:01.319
about it, and I said,
I want to record it, and so

1296
01:29:01.479 --> 01:29:05.239
it just happened. A couple of
nights later, I heard that same vocalization

1297
01:29:05.359 --> 01:29:12.119
and nothing answers it. It's you
know because once the kyo starts, all

1298
01:29:12.159 --> 01:29:18.199
the kyots you went in, but
the dog start barking, and yeah,

1299
01:29:18.359 --> 01:29:23.079
and this is just a h if
I can't I might be able to send

1300
01:29:23.119 --> 01:29:26.199
it to you later. But it's
just a I heard it. I think

1301
01:29:26.359 --> 01:29:29.880
Kurt put it. Someone had a
similar recording on TikTok because they said what

1302
01:29:30.079 --> 01:29:32.319
is us? And they put on
TikTok because I think Kurt said it to

1303
01:29:32.359 --> 01:29:36.920
me, and I said, that's
almost the same vocalization I heard. And

1304
01:29:38.000 --> 01:29:43.760
then I had a lady that lives
out over by Lakiba and she said she

1305
01:29:44.399 --> 01:29:47.960
she had that same almost that same
vocalization and she don't know what it is

1306
01:29:48.079 --> 01:29:53.760
either, and she recorded it.
So and one night, you know,

1307
01:29:54.079 --> 01:29:58.560
my cousins had two dogs, and
one night I heard the dog barking,

1308
01:30:00.119 --> 01:30:02.439
and I can hear two dogs barking. And so when I saw her,

1309
01:30:02.439 --> 01:30:04.359
I think it was a day the
next day o the day after that,

1310
01:30:09.079 --> 01:30:11.399
we were talking and she asked me, she goes, did you hear my

1311
01:30:11.479 --> 01:30:14.159
dog's barking? I said yes,
She goes, you know what it was

1312
01:30:14.199 --> 01:30:15.720
so weird? I said, what
she was? It was only one dog

1313
01:30:15.760 --> 01:30:19.399
out of the yard and I said
what shes Yeah, shes the other dogs

1314
01:30:19.479 --> 01:30:24.560
inside. She said, but I
heard the other dog barking, and I

1315
01:30:24.680 --> 01:30:27.720
said yeah. I said it was
close to my house. I said,

1316
01:30:27.720 --> 01:30:30.760
I thought maybe Harry might be walking, you know by, and she goes,

1317
01:30:30.880 --> 01:30:32.960
no, she goes, we don't
have one dog out there and there's

1318
01:30:32.960 --> 01:30:35.600
two dogs barking. She said,
I didn't even go out there. And

1319
01:30:35.760 --> 01:30:39.399
look, she said, you know, opened a door and called the other

1320
01:30:39.479 --> 01:30:42.560
dog again. She said, I
slept it alone. And I said,

1321
01:30:42.760 --> 01:30:45.800
yeah, I heard the other dog. I said, so, yeah,

1322
01:30:45.039 --> 01:30:47.439
and so, but I don't know
if she still has the dogs, not

1323
01:30:47.479 --> 01:30:50.319
because I haven't heard him. But
like I said, it's been I'm saying

1324
01:30:50.359 --> 01:30:56.399
it now. It's been quiet.
But yeah, it's it's it's it's interesting.

1325
01:30:56.680 --> 01:31:00.199
And that's what my family was asked
me. How how do you live

1326
01:31:00.239 --> 01:31:02.520
out there by yourself? I'm by
myself right now, you know, because

1327
01:31:02.600 --> 01:31:05.760
it's just you know, everything that
happens around there. Sis, I got

1328
01:31:05.840 --> 01:31:10.159
protection, you know, I'm protection. It's just I said. Plus,

1329
01:31:10.279 --> 01:31:13.720
you know, they if they've been
around as long as I think they have,

1330
01:31:13.880 --> 01:31:15.399
then they know that you know,
there's no harm coming out of here.

1331
01:31:17.399 --> 01:31:23.720
They may just you know, passing
through or you know, because they

1332
01:31:23.840 --> 01:31:27.560
used to. I've got a peach
tree and behind my house and if we

1333
01:31:27.600 --> 01:31:30.319
didn't get the peaches off, they
come and get them. Yeah. I've

1334
01:31:30.359 --> 01:31:33.199
heard lots of stories like that about
how people have like a fruit tree of

1335
01:31:33.279 --> 01:31:38.800
some kind and they're waiting. It's
just about time to pick the fruit.

1336
01:31:38.960 --> 01:31:43.520
You know, everything's just about ripe, and like the day or two before

1337
01:31:43.600 --> 01:31:45.239
they're going to take all the fruit, they go out there and it's just

1338
01:31:46.119 --> 01:31:53.000
all gone, just disappeared overnight.
That's that's what happened. We, like

1339
01:31:53.079 --> 01:31:56.159
I said, I was married.
She is from the city, she's part

1340
01:31:56.279 --> 01:32:00.720
Native and my sakend X my saken
EXE, and so he moved out here

1341
01:32:00.840 --> 01:32:03.399
with me. And so one night
we're getting ready to go to bed,

1342
01:32:03.439 --> 01:32:05.880
she says, I'm gonna go out. I didn't smoke at the time.

1343
01:32:06.439 --> 01:32:10.560
I said, you know, I
smoke my stoies. But and so she

1344
01:32:10.640 --> 01:32:14.640
went out to the back porch and
then not even four minutes later, she

1345
01:32:14.680 --> 01:32:17.359
comes run back in until stevens something
out there. I said, behind the

1346
01:32:17.439 --> 01:32:20.399
house. She goes, yeah,
I like, that's just is that Harry

1347
01:32:20.439 --> 01:32:23.920
Man? And I said, well, yeah, he's probably checking you out,

1348
01:32:23.920 --> 01:32:28.319
seeing hey, who's the new person
here? And so she goes,

1349
01:32:28.359 --> 01:32:30.800
well, I said, you can
smoke on the front porch the back porch.

1350
01:32:30.880 --> 01:32:33.760
You never whichever's you know, you
feel better, and she she started

1351
01:32:33.880 --> 01:32:38.640
smoking off the front porch. But
anyway, so yeah, so we went

1352
01:32:38.680 --> 01:32:40.760
out that one day. We were
looking at the peaches and I said,

1353
01:32:40.800 --> 01:32:43.359
man, we got a lot of
peaches this year, and she's, yeah,

1354
01:32:43.399 --> 01:32:45.520
she was, I guess we can, you know, have the kids

1355
01:32:45.600 --> 01:32:46.760
pick on them. That'll be something
fun for them to do, and you

1356
01:32:46.800 --> 01:32:49.000
know, maybe we'll get I said, we'll give them away, you know,

1357
01:32:49.079 --> 01:32:55.319
because we're not gonna eat them on
people can make stuffs out or whatever.

1358
01:32:56.199 --> 01:32:58.520
And we're sitting out there talking.
We come back in the house and

1359
01:32:59.159 --> 01:33:01.640
we'll get ready to go out and
you know, get the bags ready,

1360
01:33:01.720 --> 01:33:05.560
and we go out there and all
the peaches are gone off the tree.

1361
01:33:06.000 --> 01:33:11.079
Even the ones that were on the
ground that the grasshoppers reading are gone.

1362
01:33:11.600 --> 01:33:14.119
You know, even the ones that
fell on the ground that were half eight

1363
01:33:14.399 --> 01:33:17.359
or bugs are eating. Yeah,
they were gone too. So I mean

1364
01:33:17.399 --> 01:33:23.079
it was just like just a clean
pick. That's so weird. Yeah,

1365
01:33:23.159 --> 01:33:25.960
that's why. She looked at me
and she was who came and got our

1366
01:33:26.039 --> 01:33:29.640
peaches? And I looked that really
all of them, And I said,

1367
01:33:30.239 --> 01:33:32.000
he may have a big clan.
I said, we got a big plan.

1368
01:33:32.119 --> 01:33:34.640
He may have a big clan.
She goes, he took all of

1369
01:33:34.680 --> 01:33:40.319
our peaches, and I said,
yes, they got to eat. Well,

1370
01:33:40.359 --> 01:33:43.000
man, I've enjoyed it. And
like I said, I definitely want

1371
01:33:43.000 --> 01:33:45.520
to have you back. I know
you got more stories, and you know,

1372
01:33:45.640 --> 01:33:48.239
I got other things I want to
ask you about for sure. Oh

1373
01:33:48.359 --> 01:33:53.680
yeah, yeah, I mean said, yeah, probably haven't touched on a

1374
01:33:53.760 --> 01:33:56.359
lot of you know, a lot
of my stories. Yeah, I've got

1375
01:33:56.560 --> 01:34:01.159
I've got tons of experiences and stories, and yeah, I said, we

1376
01:34:01.239 --> 01:34:03.600
could even get into a little bit
of paranormal if you wanted to. But

1377
01:34:04.640 --> 01:34:12.000
uh, yeah, it's it's it's
it's interesting. And if you've had an

1378
01:34:12.079 --> 01:34:15.880
encounter with the Harryman, send me
an email at Bigfoot Crossroads at gmail dot

1379
01:34:15.920 --> 01:34:19.079
com. Check out the website Bigfoot
Crossroads dot com. You can find links

1380
01:34:19.079 --> 01:34:23.159
to the social media, a contact
form to reach me directly, links to

1381
01:34:23.239 --> 01:34:27.079
the merchandise, and all the old
episodes all in one place. And until

1382
01:34:27.159 --> 01:34:30.159
next time, remember there's something in
the woods.