1 00:00:01,960 --> 00:00:05,599 Hi, this is Fred Green, host of the Golf Smarter podcast. Over 2 00:00:05,639 --> 00:00:10,160 the next couple of months, on our Friday episodes that retrieve the greatest hits 3 00:00:10,160 --> 00:00:15,080 from our archives, we're going to feature some of our many conversations with Tony 4 00:00:15,119 --> 00:00:20,160 Manzoni. Tony was an amazing golf instructor who passed away in twenty eighteen, 5 00:00:20,600 --> 00:00:25,039 and we first met him in twenty ten, and every time he was featured 6 00:00:25,039 --> 00:00:29,280 on the podcast with us, emails flooded in from golfers around the world, 7 00:00:29,679 --> 00:00:35,200 with more positive feedback than any other teacher we've featured. So unless you're new 8 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:40,640 to Golf Smarter or didn't play at College of the Desert anytime between the nineteen 9 00:00:40,679 --> 00:00:45,280 eighties and the two thousands, you've probably never heard of Tony because we were 10 00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:50,159 the only media outlet to really pay attention to him. We've been replaying these 11 00:00:50,159 --> 00:00:56,079 episodes the last few years, and I still get emails today reporting on how 12 00:00:56,159 --> 00:01:02,439 well you've connected and improved using Tony's teaching method. Tony's book The Lost Fundamental, 13 00:01:02,560 --> 00:01:06,439 One Simple Move Better Golf Forever, which was out of print when he 14 00:01:06,519 --> 00:01:11,560 passed away, is once again available on Amazon, including the Kindle format Tony's 15 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:15,439 video of the same name was also out of circulation when he passed, but 16 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:21,040 can now be seen online. If you'd like to gain access, please write 17 00:01:21,079 --> 00:01:26,519 directly to me golf Smarter podcast at gmail dot com or click on the Hayfred 18 00:01:26,519 --> 00:01:32,319 button at golfsmarter dot com. Lastly, after he passed, we created a 19 00:01:32,439 --> 00:01:38,200 Tony Manzoni Memorial Golf Smarter Fund to benefit the first t of Coachella Valley, 20 00:01:38,519 --> 00:01:45,159 which is where Tony lived for decades. Your tax deductible contributions are greatly appreciated. 21 00:01:45,599 --> 00:01:49,200 You can find out more at golfsmarter dot com slash Tony. We hope 22 00:01:49,239 --> 00:01:53,079 you enjoyed the journey and know that even if you've heard these episodes before, 23 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:57,200 you're going to learn something new. We're going to start with the first time 24 00:01:57,239 --> 00:02:02,400 we met Tony back in October of twenty ten and golf Smarter episode two hundred 25 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:08,120 and fifty one. Thanks so much for your support and enjoy the single pivot 26 00:02:08,159 --> 00:02:15,719 swing Ben Hogan's secret reveal. This is golf Smarter sharing tips and insights from 27 00:02:15,759 --> 00:02:21,479 golfers and golf professionals to help lower your score. It's worked for your host, 28 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:27,639 Fred Green, Welcome and thanks for downloading the Golf Smarter Podcast. Our 29 00:02:27,639 --> 00:02:31,919 guest today is Tony Manzoni, a very interesting man with a fascinating career that 30 00:02:32,039 --> 00:02:39,879 includes tour player, instructor, college coach, contributing author and co founder of 31 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:46,080 Callaway Impressive. He'll provide us with all the details on that, but most 32 00:02:46,159 --> 00:02:52,080 interestingly of all, based on years of research and modifications, he's unleashed the 33 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:59,159 single pivot swing, which may be the secret to Ben Hogan's amazing ball striking 34 00:02:59,199 --> 00:03:02,879 ability. Let's found out more. Shall we welcome to the Golf Smarter Podcast. 35 00:03:02,919 --> 00:03:07,599 Tony, Hi, Fred, How you doing today. I'm doing well. 36 00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:10,280 Thank you so much for joining us. You've got an illustrious history in 37 00:03:10,319 --> 00:03:15,439 the golf world, and I'm really intrigued about talking to you about where you 38 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:20,120 started and where you are today. You really have done a lot of different 39 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:23,560 things in golf, haven't you. Well, I have. You know, 40 00:03:23,599 --> 00:03:28,319 I started my career in the Chicago area, well, you know, Chicago 41 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:31,479 and Wisconsin, about fifty miles from Chicago and Ni Person Country Club, and 42 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:35,960 I you know, kind of made my bones there and went into the service, 43 00:03:36,039 --> 00:03:39,360 came back and worked for worked at Almaden Country Club in San Jose, 44 00:03:39,439 --> 00:03:44,439 where I lived, and from that point Ken Van Turrey, who I knew 45 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:47,639 very well, Wait, you're talking about Almaden Almenden Country Club in northern California. 46 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:51,639 Yes, and to say, okay that Almaden, all right, because 47 00:03:51,639 --> 00:03:53,159 all of a sudden we were in Wisconsin and now you're in San Jose. 48 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:57,680 Oh yeah, well I'm you know, I move. We moved to California, 49 00:03:57,719 --> 00:04:01,280 moved to San Jose because I was Chico Go born and got a work. 50 00:04:01,319 --> 00:04:06,719 I got a job at al Maden and played pretty good golf and turned 51 00:04:06,719 --> 00:04:12,439 professional obviously made some you know, made some good scores. I think I 52 00:04:12,439 --> 00:04:15,960 still have the record there at sixty one. At Almaden, I met Ken 53 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:19,759 Venturi Uh played in a few events with him. He taught me to come 54 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:24,319 into the desert Uh the Palm des area. There was a new golf course 55 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:29,000 called Mission Hills opening up, and I worked for Ken as the head professional. 56 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:31,040 He was director of golf, but primarily he was with CBS, so 57 00:04:31,439 --> 00:04:35,000 we saw him once a month. During that period of time, I got 58 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:40,439 an idea because I was training a lot of LPGA gals and one of them 59 00:04:40,519 --> 00:04:44,920 was Sally Little, and I got an idea about playing a mixed team championship 60 00:04:44,959 --> 00:04:49,199 where we wanted to play men against women, giving the ladies a distance margin. 61 00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:53,439 As it turned out, it turned out to be the Mixed Team Championship. 62 00:04:53,959 --> 00:04:59,600 J. C. Pennies was was uh the group that one of my 63 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:01,360 trying to have trying to say that they sponsored it. And that was for 64 00:05:01,399 --> 00:05:06,759 about sixteen years on ABC. And from that point in time I was very 65 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:11,319 interested in golf club design and I got together with a fellow by the name 66 00:05:11,319 --> 00:05:15,120 of Richard Parenti and Dick Dela Cruz and we started a company called Hickory Stick 67 00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:19,720 and we were selling a lot of clubs, but we didn't have the capital 68 00:05:20,759 --> 00:05:26,800 to cover the orders. A fellow by name of Elie Calloway was a member 69 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:30,720 at the Vintage where I had sold the one hundred and thirty for one of 70 00:05:30,759 --> 00:05:33,560 their golf expos there, and he liked the club. I made a cold 71 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:39,839 call to him and talked him into invested in the company, which he did, 72 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:45,319 and that's like the best call you ever made, best call, great 73 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:50,560 cold calls of all time. Oh my god. I talked to him into 74 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:56,000 putting his name on the We started out as Calloway hicky Stick Golf Club and 75 00:05:56,040 --> 00:06:00,639 then went from Calloway Hicky Stick to Callaway Golf and the company ended up settling 76 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:05,360 in the Carlsbad area, which is the heartbeat of all the golf club companies. 77 00:06:05,839 --> 00:06:11,000 And from then we went public. And during that period of time, 78 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:15,319 I decided I wanted to go in a little different direction. So I had 79 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:19,639 a hunk of money, didn't want to retire, and I heard that the 80 00:06:19,639 --> 00:06:23,519 College of the Desert was thinking about a golf academy and they had about a 81 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:28,800 twenty five acre piece of land and no funding. So through friends of mine 82 00:06:28,839 --> 00:06:30,920 and the help of Greg Norman and a few people that I knew in the 83 00:06:30,959 --> 00:06:35,240 industry, we built a golf driving range of building and a classroom and it 84 00:06:35,399 --> 00:06:41,560 houses a golf management program. And I had intended to do this for two 85 00:06:41,639 --> 00:06:45,639 or three years, get it started and let it flourish, and crazy part 86 00:06:45,639 --> 00:06:47,959 about it. This is my twenty fifth year. I became the golf coach 87 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:53,480 of College of the Desert, which has been probably one of the most satisfying 88 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:57,600 things I've ever done in golf. And I mean I'm talking Callaway and Mix 89 00:06:57,639 --> 00:07:00,000 Team championship and all that, but to work with these young Kik kids and 90 00:07:00,519 --> 00:07:06,720 changed the direction in their life. Off the golf course has been the most 91 00:07:06,759 --> 00:07:12,759 rewarding thing and it's what keeps me going just being around these kids. And 92 00:07:13,639 --> 00:07:16,560 we have a great record. We won our conference championship twenty three years in 93 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:21,879 a row, and we won state championship four times under my tutelage. And 94 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:26,000 so that you know it's all good, it's all real good. And during 95 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:30,120 that period of time, my passion is teaching golf. I played at a 96 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:33,759 decent level. I had my moments in golf, but I really was too 97 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:39,879 interested in going out at night and chasing skirts and drinking a few years and 98 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:42,399 I passed that out to my students. I said, I wasted a pretty 99 00:07:42,399 --> 00:07:46,759 good opportunity. So I use some of the faults in my own life as 100 00:07:46,879 --> 00:07:50,199 examples of what not to do. But golf has always been my passion in 101 00:07:50,360 --> 00:07:56,759 instruction. There's nothing like helping somebody with the golf game and seeing them play 102 00:07:56,920 --> 00:08:01,720 much better golf. That's way for me, is worth more than the money 103 00:08:01,759 --> 00:08:05,839 that you get for doing it. I'm a little bit shocked and stunned dismayed 104 00:08:05,959 --> 00:08:13,079 here. You mean the path to enlightenment and happiness is not lower scores exactly. 105 00:08:13,079 --> 00:08:16,439 It's teaching, it's sharing your knowledge with the Yes, it is it 106 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:18,680 really for me it is. I mean, I'm sure that there are other 107 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:22,639 people that won't agree with that, but for me, it's been the I 108 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:24,800 thought, if we just hit lower scores, we're just going to be happy 109 00:08:24,839 --> 00:08:28,240 forever. Well, I'll tell you, even when I shot sixty one, 110 00:08:28,279 --> 00:08:31,519 I still blurred it out and I didn't burdy a par five. I somebody 111 00:08:31,559 --> 00:08:35,960 should have come along him slap me in the head that time. That's just 112 00:08:35,039 --> 00:08:37,519 the mindset of all of us when we play golf. We always think we 113 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:43,879 could have done better anyway. I started studying Ben Hogan because in my mind, 114 00:08:43,039 --> 00:08:48,519 I don't think anyone's ever controlled the ball like Ben Hogan in the past 115 00:08:48,639 --> 00:08:50,799 or in the present. And there's no I mean these guys. He could 116 00:08:50,799 --> 00:08:54,240 give strokes to most of these guys. When it comes to pure ball striking, 117 00:08:54,279 --> 00:08:56,000 I don't mean scoring, I don't mean putting, but I mean hitting 118 00:08:56,000 --> 00:09:03,200 the ball from tee to green. And wave of change has occurred in and 119 00:09:03,399 --> 00:09:07,399 teaching of golf. At one time, one of the commonalities of what you 120 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:11,799 saw of a really good player was his head didn't move, and then pretty 121 00:09:11,879 --> 00:09:13,919 soon people start saying it's okay for your head to move, and he can 122 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:18,440 go anywhere it wants to go. Well, your head. There's a center 123 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:20,320 point in the golf, so when you set to the ball, you center 124 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:22,799 yourself to it, and if you move off the ball, you've got to 125 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:26,440 move back on it. So there's a lot of compensations occurring. And also 126 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:28,399 I was brought up in the era where you fan the club open and close 127 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:31,440 it, so you square the club head with the rotation in the arms. 128 00:09:31,919 --> 00:09:35,759 But in watching Hogan, especially in his later years, and he didn't really 129 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:39,759 make a lot of film available for people to see. I read all his 130 00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:45,240 books, but nothing in his books said what he did in my estimation, 131 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:48,080 maybe grip and so forth. But he played off the left side. He 132 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:52,720 played off with one axis. There's two access points in the swing left leg, 133 00:09:52,840 --> 00:09:54,679 right leg. In moving to the right leg, you have to make 134 00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:58,600 some kind of a lateral moving back to the left leg and then rotate around 135 00:09:58,600 --> 00:10:03,039 the left leg. Transitional move is where all the problems happened in the golf 136 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:05,840 swing. And also if you're rolling your arms or crossing your arms over, 137 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:09,279 the club is going to be open a long time closed a long time and 138 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:13,399 square for just a moment. And the more you practice, the closer you 139 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:16,919 can get the square more often. But there's still a lot of air involved 140 00:10:16,919 --> 00:10:20,320 in that swing. And you can look at all the arm swingers. I 141 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:24,960 can name you, Phil Michelson, I can name you Tiger Woods, and 142 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:28,159 I can name you and Dustin Johnson. These are known names, and they 143 00:10:28,279 --> 00:10:31,080 hit the heck out of the ball. But they can hit it anywhere in 144 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:33,720 the world. And I mean they can hit it two fairways. Right. 145 00:10:35,039 --> 00:10:39,840 You never saw that in Hogan zero. Okay. Part of that's moving off 146 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:41,960 the ball. The second part is that Hogan learned the square of the golf 147 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:46,720 club with his body rotation. So he connected the arm as he took it 148 00:10:46,759 --> 00:10:50,080 back across the chest and then rotated the body to square it. Now the 149 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:54,080 club has stayed square for a real long time, and there is that's to 150 00:10:54,159 --> 00:10:58,120 me, is the secret of hitting the ball properly. You put very little 151 00:10:58,159 --> 00:11:01,159 side spin on the ball. So you shot this person, you're always going 152 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:03,960 to push it. You're always gonna pull it. That's just golf. But 153 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:09,440 you won't pull it with a hook or side spin. You won't push it 154 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:15,840 with a sly So your dispersion gets very narrow, and by rotating your body 155 00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:20,960 instead of tilting down and under where that's where all the spine problems and back 156 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:24,440 problems happen. When you rotate your body, you can rotate to where your 157 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:28,279 right shoulder points at the target and your chest has left the target. Now 158 00:11:28,279 --> 00:11:31,559 I have an eighty six year old man that I teach. I've got a 159 00:11:31,559 --> 00:11:35,919 lot of people from the Vintage and Eldorado, which are really fine clothes, 160 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:39,120 probably the best in the desert, and they come to me for golf instruction 161 00:11:39,559 --> 00:11:43,440 because they like what I'm teaching and they can hit the ball more solid more 162 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:48,399 often because again, we don't have any compensations in the motion. We brace 163 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:52,000 up against the left side, rotate the body and rotate back the other way. 164 00:11:52,279 --> 00:11:54,120 Don't have to make a lateral move, don't have to turn the hands 165 00:11:54,120 --> 00:11:58,720 over in time anything. We just rotate the body. We trap the club 166 00:11:58,759 --> 00:12:01,320 on the left arm on the chest. So it's a really easy way to 167 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:09,559 play well. During this period, al Barco, a noted writer, interviewed 168 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:13,039 me, and you know, you know I'm nobody. I'm a guy at 169 00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:18,120 a driving range. Well, he liked what I had to say. And 170 00:12:18,679 --> 00:12:22,840 he put about an eight pager in Golf Illustrated magazine and the response was overwhelming. 171 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:26,080 I got calls from all over about people wanting telling me, well, 172 00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:31,519 I was trying stack until I couldn't do that, and this really helped me 173 00:12:31,559 --> 00:12:35,679 and my back doesn't hurt and blah blah blah. I talked with an editor 174 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:39,399 of Golf Illustrated and he said, would you like to have a Golf Illustrated 175 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:43,960 single pivot golf school? And that's what's going to happen in December, College 176 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:48,080 of the Desert. I've got al Geiberger, who has followed this process like 177 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:52,919 that it teaches now and plays this way. I got his son Brian, 178 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:58,360 who's a very very fine player, a good instructor from Canada by the name 179 00:12:58,399 --> 00:13:01,360 of Mike Lyons, and myself and we're going to put together a hell of 180 00:13:01,399 --> 00:13:05,639 a golf school. And when people walk out of that school, they're going 181 00:13:05,720 --> 00:13:09,120 to know why they hit it right, hit it left, and when the 182 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:11,519 ball spins, will know exactly what. They'll know a simple move to stop 183 00:13:11,559 --> 00:13:15,240 it from spinning, and they're going to be able to hit the ball farther 184 00:13:15,519 --> 00:13:18,080 than they've done in their life. And I don't care if they're a young 185 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:22,240 player thinking about the tour or an old guy that's played and he can't get 186 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:26,000 off his right side anymore. He spins out and slices everything will fix all 187 00:13:26,039 --> 00:13:30,519 that, and it's not complicated. I've never believed that the golf swing was 188 00:13:30,600 --> 00:13:33,399 rocket science. But I did know that Ben Hoogan knew something that other people 189 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:39,600 didn't, and he divulged this in other subsequent books where he made phrases he 190 00:13:39,639 --> 00:13:41,559 said, well, I'm going to play off my left side from now on. 191 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:46,440 Lee Trevino said to me, I've never seen anybody play good off their 192 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:48,600 right side, but I said a lot of great players play off their left 193 00:13:48,639 --> 00:13:50,399 side. But when he made that statement to me, I had no idea 194 00:13:50,440 --> 00:13:54,639 what he was talking about. I never realized, because I know you never 195 00:13:54,639 --> 00:13:58,279 stop learning in this game. This is a school you never graduate from because 196 00:13:58,279 --> 00:14:03,840 there's always tweaking. There's always things that you can glean from other players, 197 00:14:03,879 --> 00:14:07,200 other teachers, and so forth. So I do know one thing Tiger Woods 198 00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:11,679 is all being taught to play off the left side. Watney just said on 199 00:14:11,759 --> 00:14:15,799 television in the last tournament, I had a great tip I set up with 200 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:18,679 seventy percent on my left side. They're all getting back to stay in the 201 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:24,000 center to the golf ball. It's just too hard when you're moving that club 202 00:14:24,039 --> 00:14:26,879 as fast as these young people are moving it. It's too hard to time 203 00:14:26,919 --> 00:14:30,879 it with your hands and arms. You've got to trap it so that you 204 00:14:30,919 --> 00:14:33,039 can turn through it and eliminate the left side. And that's what this does. 205 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:37,080 I can tell you that I don't care who it is that's wild with 206 00:14:37,159 --> 00:14:41,399 the driver. Fifteen minutes with them, if they're especially if they're a good 207 00:14:41,399 --> 00:14:43,679 player, a tour player, let's say, fifteen minutes to learn this process. 208 00:14:43,799 --> 00:14:46,279 They're they can hit as hard as they want to not hit the left. 209 00:14:46,759 --> 00:14:52,639 So it's very exciting and it's going to be really worthwhile. Well, 210 00:14:52,679 --> 00:14:56,879 that was an all encompassing answer. You answered every single question that I didn't 211 00:14:56,879 --> 00:15:03,159 even get to ask in your first answer. That's what I want to do. 212 00:15:03,200 --> 00:15:05,440 I'm gonna want to go into details, but I do need to break 213 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:16,720 for just a moment because Tony, thanks so much for waiting, and let's 214 00:15:16,919 --> 00:15:22,360 get back to I don't even know where to go here. I do want 215 00:15:22,480 --> 00:15:26,679 to ask you about working at the College of the Desert before we go back 216 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:30,759 into your your golf school because and then of course the single pivot swing. 217 00:15:31,240 --> 00:15:35,919 But is the the College of the Desert. Do you cover more than just 218 00:15:37,240 --> 00:15:41,639 golf instruction? I mean, there's so many kids today who who may not 219 00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:45,000 be good enough to, you know, get up to the tour, but 220 00:15:45,039 --> 00:15:48,720 they love golf so much that they would like to be involved in the golf 221 00:15:48,720 --> 00:15:54,879 industry. Does your program facilitate that? Absolutely. We have a golf management 222 00:15:54,919 --> 00:16:00,159 program and we take those kids through turf grass management, golf shop operations, 223 00:16:00,279 --> 00:16:06,960 methods of teaching golf fundamentals and rules of golf, public speaking, marketing classes. 224 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:11,799 It has a business aspect to it, It has a general education aspect 225 00:16:11,799 --> 00:16:14,240 to it, and then it has core training aspect to it, which is 226 00:16:14,279 --> 00:16:18,799 the core courses like golf shop operations or methods of teaching golf. So when 227 00:16:18,799 --> 00:16:25,279 the student comes out of this two year program with an AA degree, they 228 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:29,399 can get into the industry and they get into middle management very quickly. For 229 00:16:29,399 --> 00:16:33,960 instance, in this valley, I've got nine head professionals that have come out 230 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:40,120 of this program. One of my students has been in China for fifteen years, 231 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:42,879 and in fact, I'm leaving the eighteenth of next month to go to 232 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:48,919 China because we're going to create a linkage of Chinese students coming to College of 233 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:52,639 the Desert and taking accelerated programs. And at the same time they're interested in 234 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:57,159 maybe me setting up some golf schools in China. So I'm very excited about 235 00:16:57,159 --> 00:17:02,600 that. But the college program is really a terrific program. You know, 236 00:17:02,679 --> 00:17:07,960 the PGA of America has these IgM programs and it's a five year commitment. 237 00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:12,480 I kind of like what we do and what the San Diego career colleges do. 238 00:17:14,359 --> 00:17:18,799 You get in and get out two years and you certainly have you're not 239 00:17:18,839 --> 00:17:21,359 going to be an expert, and no one is coming out of these programs 240 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:25,039 because you have to have the hands on But that two year commitment, you 241 00:17:25,039 --> 00:17:30,720 can get right out into industry and get going a golf team as well. 242 00:17:32,319 --> 00:17:33,759 Oh we have a great golf team. We have a great golf team. 243 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:40,480 I've been coached for I believe it's now going on nineteen years, and we 244 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:44,400 won our conference every year. The previous coach, who is a terrific coach, 245 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:47,279 we had had one and a few more years. So we're at the 246 00:17:47,319 --> 00:17:52,279 twenty third year in a row right now, and under my coaching. I've 247 00:17:52,680 --> 00:18:00,240 won four state championships and a number of what they call regional tournaments. It's 248 00:18:00,720 --> 00:18:03,920 been just great working with young people. First of all, they all hit 249 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:07,319 it over three hundred yards. It's crazy. I mean, I feel like 250 00:18:07,319 --> 00:18:10,000 putting on a calf An address when I play with the boys. So I 251 00:18:10,039 --> 00:18:11,319 finally said, okay, I from now on, I'm up in the uptees. 252 00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:15,880 I swallowed my pride because at one time I could pop it pretty far. 253 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:19,119 But it's just crazy how far they hit it now. But the problem 254 00:18:19,119 --> 00:18:22,759 is is that they can hit it anywhere far, and so we try to 255 00:18:22,799 --> 00:18:26,920 get them to understand how they have to manage themselves on the golf course. 256 00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:30,279 And of course, anger is one of the things that comes along with the 257 00:18:30,359 --> 00:18:34,119 game, and you have to have a little fire in your belly to be 258 00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:37,200 a competitor, obviously, but you can't let it affects you to the point 259 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:42,599 where it affects your next group of shots. And I being Italian, struggled 260 00:18:42,599 --> 00:18:52,400 with that up until the last week. But anyway, at sixty that day, 261 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:56,400 but I do try to talk to the boys. You know, in 262 00:18:56,440 --> 00:19:00,240 all honesty, these are the things you can't do and can do it you 263 00:19:00,319 --> 00:19:06,119 don't understand that you also disrupt other people when you're angry at yourself. It 264 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:10,720 makes people uncomfortable around you, and it's not what the game is supposed to 265 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:12,960 be. But it's gotten to the point where there's so much, so much 266 00:19:14,079 --> 00:19:17,839 money now and all of that, all that same that's attached to it that 267 00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:22,039 I think we've lost a little bit in the transition from the days when guys 268 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:26,000 jumped in an geloppy and drove from tournament to tournament and didn't make enough money 269 00:19:26,039 --> 00:19:30,400 to stay on tour they had to go and take club jobs. But there 270 00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:34,240 was something really, something really pure about that period. Now, in that 271 00:19:34,319 --> 00:19:40,480 period, the amateur status was very was looked upon much differently than it is 272 00:19:40,519 --> 00:19:44,000 today. Even if even if you have an amateur status today, I mean, 273 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:47,920 does that even exist, Well, I guess it would for college players, 274 00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:49,680 but you know, right, you're right, yeah, I mean there 275 00:19:49,799 --> 00:19:53,000 is, but I think that a lot of people, just like in other 276 00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:57,559 sports, to kind of get around it a bit. But anyway, that's 277 00:19:59,359 --> 00:20:03,839 the college is. It really is the reason I'm here more than anything else. 278 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:08,960 So we've heard about stack until we've heard about single plane and dual plane 279 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:14,720 swings. Now you want to talk about the single pivot swing. Well, 280 00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:18,960 they're just you know, sack until I don't. I'm not going to say 281 00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:25,119 that they're wrong. It's just a different way of looking at it. I'm 282 00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:29,960 basing everything I'm talking about on what I believe who was the best golfer, 283 00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:33,119 and that was Ben Hogan. And Ben Hogan his later years played off his 284 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:36,640 left side, and that just really means that he eliminated the lateral move in 285 00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:38,799 the golf swing. He means it. I need it. I'm sorry to 286 00:20:38,839 --> 00:20:42,720 interrupt, but I do need a better understanding, better explanation of what you 287 00:20:42,759 --> 00:20:48,200 mean by playing off the left side. And I'm standing up right, okay, 288 00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:51,039 when you set up to the golf ball, instead of setting up fifty 289 00:20:51,079 --> 00:20:56,119 to fifty or even fifty forty being the left side and sixty being the right, 290 00:20:56,160 --> 00:20:59,119 like a lot of people really tilt to the right when they're going to 291 00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:02,839 hit the driver because because they've been told if they hang back like that, 292 00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:06,640 they can work under and catch the ball on the f swing. And that's 293 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:11,160 true if you're going to rotate your hands and arms. But Hogan's raced up 294 00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:15,640 a little left now. He did a little differently than I teach. When 295 00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:18,200 he took the club back, it looked like he was going to move to 296 00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:21,559 the right, but as the club went back in his rotation, he set 297 00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:25,200 up against the left side. And I've got zillion pictures showing that. And 298 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:29,279 he set up against the left side because now he's against impact and all he 299 00:21:29,319 --> 00:21:32,920 has to do is rotate his body. You don't lose any power, trust 300 00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:36,160 me. In fact, you gain power, and more importantly, because you 301 00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:40,400 can catch the ball dead square again. You're not moving away from the golf 302 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:45,720 ball in the backswing. So it's nothing new. It was done for years 303 00:21:45,759 --> 00:21:49,519 by a lot of players. It just wasn't talked about, and I think 304 00:21:49,559 --> 00:21:53,319 a lot of people misinterpret doing it. They said, well, aren't you 305 00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:57,480 reversing your weight shift, aren't you? And that's the farthest thing from the 306 00:21:57,480 --> 00:22:00,359 truth. The reverse of the weight which just when you stand up, you 307 00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:04,519 stand up for the ball and your hip slide underneath you and your hips go 308 00:22:04,519 --> 00:22:07,720 go to the right, and your head is to the left, and then 309 00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:11,000 on the downs from your head goes back and your and your hips go forward 310 00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:14,119 and you're on the right foot. That's how the reversing the weight shift, 311 00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:18,440 but staying off of staying on one axis and then working around that axis is 312 00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:22,480 a far cry from that. And it's I can tell you there's a lot 313 00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:26,640 of naysayers until I have ten minutes with them and then they that I owe 314 00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:32,200 them. Yeah. Yeah, Once you can show them and put the club 315 00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:33,519 in their hand and work with them directly, I'm sure you have much different 316 00:22:33,519 --> 00:22:37,839 result than just trying to explain it without the visual. Yeah. And it's 317 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:41,319 not an old and this is not an old man's thing. I've got a 318 00:22:41,319 --> 00:22:45,519 couple of fifteen year olds that are shooting in the sixties and they beat that 319 00:22:45,599 --> 00:22:51,319 ball over three hundred yards at fifteen years old, and they and they look 320 00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:52,759 at me. And I got one Korean boy and every time he looks at 321 00:22:52,759 --> 00:22:56,519 me as his coach, no side spin. And I just get a big 322 00:22:56,599 --> 00:23:00,960 kick out of that. You know it. It's it's my passion. As 323 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:04,440 you can tell, I talk too much about it and too fast about it. 324 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:08,359 But I can't help you're talking so fast, Yeah, I can't help 325 00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:12,480 myself. It's because I'm excited about this. Necessarily, it is a breakthrough 326 00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:17,160 and there's no question about it. Fabulous. Uh And now for for the 327 00:23:17,319 --> 00:23:21,079 school, how many days is this school that you're going to be putting on 328 00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:23,839 for your UH, there will only be There'll only be it will be a 329 00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:27,440 one or two day school each day six hours of instruction. UH. So 330 00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:33,319 it'll be a one day Saturday school and a one day UH Sunday school. 331 00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:37,039 So a person can come to both day both schools if they if they need 332 00:23:37,079 --> 00:23:41,319 me. But to be honest with you, if we have you for six 333 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:44,279 hours, UH, you're going to be able to do it and you're going 334 00:23:44,319 --> 00:23:48,720 to be understand why you do it. We're going to teach you cause and 335 00:23:48,799 --> 00:23:53,000 effect UH. And that's very important for someone. And I can promise you 336 00:23:53,039 --> 00:23:57,839 that I will not have anyone that won't be swinging, and we'll prove it. 337 00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:00,559 We're gonna film in the beginning and film you in the end, and 338 00:24:00,559 --> 00:24:04,920 you're going to see a tremendous change in your setup position and the way you 339 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:08,680 finish. Most people never get to their left side because it's too far on 340 00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:11,400 the right side to ever get there. And we'll get you through the golf 341 00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:15,799 ball. And we're not going to say do you shift your weight. We're 342 00:24:15,839 --> 00:24:18,759 going to show you how to rotate your body and that's going to make your 343 00:24:18,759 --> 00:24:21,519 weight shift and you're going to be in really good balance and you're going to 344 00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:30,160 hit the ball hard for the first time in a while. You Know, 345 00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:33,880 the thing about a golf school that I've had difficulty with is that, say 346 00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:37,640 you get it one day of instruction or two days at best of instruction, 347 00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:41,480 or three or four, and you go through it and you're like, Okay, 348 00:24:41,519 --> 00:24:45,440 I got it. Yeah, I understand what I'm doing now. And 349 00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:48,839 then you go home and you don't get a chance. Now that you've played 350 00:24:48,839 --> 00:24:51,160 three days in a row, You've got to catch up back with your life 351 00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:52,400 and your work, and you don't get a chance to play for three weeks, 352 00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:56,240 and you don't get a chance to practice for two weeks whatever, and 353 00:24:56,319 --> 00:25:00,200 you go out there and all of a sudden, it's all gone. It's 354 00:25:00,279 --> 00:25:03,039 like, now, what did they teach me? Again? And I find 355 00:25:03,079 --> 00:25:04,759 that to be a difficult part about golf schools that you know, if I'm 356 00:25:04,799 --> 00:25:07,440 coming across the country go to your school, I'm going to lose all this 357 00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:11,599 stuff. How do I retain it? What kind of follow up do you 358 00:25:11,799 --> 00:25:14,759 have to help somebody if they're like, Okay, so I went to your 359 00:25:14,759 --> 00:25:15,799 school and I got it, and it was great. But now I need 360 00:25:15,839 --> 00:25:21,759 some help. Everyone's going to get a book. Is going to get a 361 00:25:21,759 --> 00:25:26,480 book called The Loss Fundamental, which I've written, and it will be out 362 00:25:26,559 --> 00:25:30,400 before the school starts, and it's a complete explanation. Also, they will 363 00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:37,079 be able to talk to us via via email and we can actually if they 364 00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:40,480 tell us what the ball is doing, we can tell them what they're doing. 365 00:25:40,799 --> 00:25:44,400 But we're not basing our instruction on timing, and that's the key. 366 00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:48,480 That's a key issue. We're not basing that instruction on you going out and 367 00:25:48,519 --> 00:25:52,680 hitting four hundred balls a day. We're basing it on body position. If 368 00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:55,920 we can show you where your body should be on the backswing and on the 369 00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:59,519 through swing, the rest of it is pretty easy. Once you connect your 370 00:25:59,599 --> 00:26:02,920 arms or keep your arms connected to the body, and of course they're connected. 371 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:06,599 I mean, it sounds almost insane to say that, but connection in 372 00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:10,640 the golf thing is different than the body being attached to the arm being attached 373 00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:14,240 to the body. Once we show them how connection occurs, and it's a 374 00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:19,160 very very simple explanation with an exercise, they can do it almost instantly and 375 00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:22,720 you will be able to tell by what the ball does if you're connected or 376 00:26:22,759 --> 00:26:27,319 disconnected. There is no question about that. In fact, a good instructor 377 00:26:27,319 --> 00:26:30,400 can turn his back to the student and watch the ball flight and he can 378 00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:37,200 tell you physically what you did. It is so simple. So what the 379 00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:42,200 golf our school will be is that this explanation over and over and over for 380 00:26:42,279 --> 00:26:45,319 six hours and when you're when you walk away from here, you're going to 381 00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:48,880 be able to do this. It isn't going to be a matter if you're 382 00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:52,559 going to lose it, because we're not basing it on you having good timing 383 00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:57,000 that particular day. So the name of your book the loss Fundamental? What 384 00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:03,440 is there something specific that it is a basic fundamental that is missing for most 385 00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:07,240 people who take construction. Well, it's playing center to the ball and that's 386 00:27:07,279 --> 00:27:14,559 been and that's the fundamental that really is lost because there's so many people teaching 387 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:17,480 to move the weight all onto the right leg and then move it back all 388 00:27:17,519 --> 00:27:21,359 the way on to the left leg. I noticed that when I've taken a 389 00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:25,599 lesson, or I've been given instruction, or even going through a change is 390 00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:30,119 swing change, that the first thing that happens to me is that all of 391 00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:33,279 a sudden, my rhythm is all screwed. Up my timing, I start 392 00:27:33,319 --> 00:27:38,640 speeding things up. Well, you know, rhythm is a very important aspect, 393 00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:42,240 and you know, with the technology that's happening nowadays. I met a 394 00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:47,240 gentleman by the name of Ted Calwell that has invented a thing called shot Watch 395 00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:52,839 and it's an amazing piece of equipment because it monitors your rhythm and I think 396 00:27:52,839 --> 00:27:57,559 most importantly, it monitors your grip pressure on the golf handle through impact, 397 00:27:59,079 --> 00:28:03,559 which it has a lot to do with velocity. And it also monitors the 398 00:28:03,559 --> 00:28:06,440 time of the swing. So you can you can take this watch, put 399 00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:08,799 it on. It tells the time, and you spin it around and turn 400 00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:14,720 it backwards on your left hand if you're right handed golfer, and go ahead 401 00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:15,799 and pop the ball, and it's going to give you these readouts. And 402 00:28:15,799 --> 00:28:21,839 you can store these readouts, so a person practicing can really really when they 403 00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:23,400 hit it really well, they can look at those numbers and say, Okay, 404 00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:26,119 that's the numbers I want to get close to. Yeah, I have 405 00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:30,240 I have Ted right here. I'd like to have. That would be great. 406 00:28:30,319 --> 00:28:36,519 And and you know it's interesting because when Ted first introduced the shot Watch, 407 00:28:36,559 --> 00:28:41,599 he came on we talked about it on the Golf Smarter podcast and there 408 00:28:41,599 --> 00:28:45,240 were so many people that, so many listeners who purchased the shot Watch, 409 00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:52,160 and I got great feedback. Teddy there, Yeah, I'm here, Fred. 410 00:28:52,279 --> 00:28:53,799 Nice to talk to you again. Yeah, it's great talking to you. 411 00:28:53,839 --> 00:28:59,119 Thanks so much for coming on and sharing this time with Tony. Yeah, 412 00:28:59,119 --> 00:29:03,279 it's a pleasure. I was listening very carefully to what Tony was having 413 00:29:03,319 --> 00:29:08,039 to say. Because one of the things that we've adopted at the urging of 414 00:29:08,599 --> 00:29:15,839 Tony and consistent with his with his single pivot idea, is our grip pressure 415 00:29:17,119 --> 00:29:21,599 now has an added feature, just to refresh your memory or for your first 416 00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:25,680 time listeners that aren't familiar with shot Watch. We have a pressure plate on 417 00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:30,200 the back of the watch that's very very sensitive and it makes contact with the 418 00:29:30,599 --> 00:29:33,599 pulse point on the active arm, the left arm for a right handed golfer. 419 00:29:34,079 --> 00:29:40,640 Now, when the arms rotate or the wrist moves, those tendons exert 420 00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:45,039 pressure against that plate and that's what we get our grip pressure readings on. 421 00:29:45,759 --> 00:29:52,279 Now. In addition to giving a reading on the grip pressure throughout the swing 422 00:29:52,359 --> 00:29:56,640 plane, which is the average from takeaway to contact with the ball, we 423 00:29:56,759 --> 00:30:03,359 do a statistical operation that on those grip pressure readings, there's fifty or so 424 00:30:03,559 --> 00:30:08,319 of them through the swing, and then we give the variation in the grip 425 00:30:08,359 --> 00:30:15,200 pressure. So what that tells the user is that if there's a large number 426 00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:18,039 for the variation, there's a lot of variation in your grip pressure through your 427 00:30:18,079 --> 00:30:22,799 swing, which is just the opposite of what Tony is talking about, because 428 00:30:22,799 --> 00:30:26,440 that means the arms are rolling over, the wrists are cocking, you know, 429 00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:30,440 the golfer is bearing down at the time he's either breaking his wrists or 430 00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:36,400 cocking or making contact with the ball that will cause a variation in the grip 431 00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:41,480 pressure instead of as Tony was talking about, keeping it constant throughout the swing. 432 00:30:41,359 --> 00:30:48,000 So we've added that feature and we think that's going to be very very 433 00:30:48,039 --> 00:30:52,000 helpful in terms of getting people to hit longer and straighter shots. We still 434 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:59,599 have the other swing parameters. We have the swing speed, where we encourage 435 00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:04,599 the use of the instrument to as a swing speed workout device. Start off 436 00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:10,720 hitting slow, swinging slowly, maintaining balance, working on the single pivot, 437 00:31:11,599 --> 00:31:18,640 and gradually increasing your speed while maintaining your balance and while and so we you 438 00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:25,400 know, we give a digital readout of that speed with one being slow as 439 00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:30,640 ten being fastest, so that like Tony's guys here, they're off the charts, 440 00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:34,400 they exceed what we can capture with the shot watch, because, as 441 00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:40,079 he's saying, they'll whip that club around at a phenomenal rate in excess of 442 00:31:40,079 --> 00:31:45,880 one hundred and thirty miles an hour. But for just us mere mortals, 443 00:31:45,119 --> 00:31:48,000 you know, we're going to start out, We're going to start out. 444 00:31:48,039 --> 00:31:53,000 We're going to work toward getting that single pivot swing, keeping everything compact and 445 00:31:55,079 --> 00:31:59,680 making good contact with the ball to drive it, to drive it longer. 446 00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:04,039 So the shot watch, you've you've done a lot of work on the shot 447 00:32:04,039 --> 00:32:07,359 Watch since it initially came out, and you've made a bunch of changes. 448 00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:10,400 Let let's talk for a moment. Uh, Clearly the shot watch has a 449 00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:15,200 lot of value to someone at the range to help them get a steady, 450 00:32:16,079 --> 00:32:21,039 a steading pace, a good rhythm rolling. But also, and this this 451 00:32:21,119 --> 00:32:23,920 new concept of grip pressure I think is really interesting because I know there are 452 00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:29,400 times where I find myself, you know, white knuckling. I'm just squeezing 453 00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:32,160 the club in a pressure situation. And you've really got to learn to control 454 00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:37,079 that, yes you do, and it really does help rad to have a 455 00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:42,400 to have a digital display and represented as a real number which you can then 456 00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:45,839 record, you know, in your active memory, and then on subsequent swings, 457 00:32:45,839 --> 00:32:49,839 say, I got to get that number, whether it's the variation in 458 00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:53,480 the grip pressure number or the absolute number. I've got to you know, 459 00:32:53,559 --> 00:32:59,079 I've got to get that to where there there aren't these spikes, you know, 460 00:32:59,279 --> 00:33:05,759 and in the grip pressure or large number in the variation read out. 461 00:33:06,119 --> 00:33:09,119 I would think that it would be really valuable to have this on the range 462 00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:17,920 and try different swings but gripping it at different pressures intentionally so that you can 463 00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:21,640 see what it feels like, and then you have a gauge to go, 464 00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:23,839 oh, okay, so that's what it feels like if I'm really squeezing too 465 00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:28,200 hard, and that's if I'm not enough, So you can really get a 466 00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:30,279 comparison and then take that with you out on the course to say, all 467 00:33:30,359 --> 00:33:34,400 right, this is the difference between what it feels like, you know, 468 00:33:34,759 --> 00:33:37,400 I got to relax. I can feel that right, and where the rubber 469 00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:43,640 hits the road is whether the ball goes straight and if there's a lot of 470 00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:45,599 variation in the grip pressure, as Tony was saying, you know you're going 471 00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:51,599 to slice it. And and because that, you know that bearing down is 472 00:33:51,599 --> 00:33:57,079 going to alter the flight of the ball as much as anything. And to 473 00:33:57,799 --> 00:34:00,240 go on to the range with that nice relaxed you know, again to quote 474 00:34:00,279 --> 00:34:05,079 Hogan, you know, just tight enough to keep that club in your hands, 475 00:34:05,119 --> 00:34:08,159 you know. And uh, and there's a digital number that you know, 476 00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:13,760 depending on the hand strength of the individual user, that's a custom fit. 477 00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:16,760 You know. If it's uh, you know, the number that works 478 00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:22,320 for you is the one you'll commit to memory and the and and the device 479 00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:27,679 is really uh, it's strong. Its strength, it's strongest selling point is 480 00:34:27,679 --> 00:34:32,119 that it's a muscle memory device. So important. Well, it's great to 481 00:34:32,119 --> 00:34:35,880 have you back on the show. Thank you very much, Fred. Oh 482 00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:39,960 yeah. And and because you had so much success with Shotwatch the first time 483 00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:45,280 that we presented it on the Golf Smarter podcast, you contacted me again wanting 484 00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:51,239 to do it. And so we've talked about this previously and we've made arrangements 485 00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:57,360 for Golf Smarter members to be able to purchase the shot Watch at your website 486 00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:01,639 at a discounted price, right and so normally the price for the shot Watch 487 00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:07,719 is one ninety nine to ninety five and for Golf Smarter listeners, if you 488 00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:10,559 use the checkout code golf Smarter, you'll be able to pick it up for 489 00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:17,199 one hundred and eighty dollars. And for Golf Smarter members, go to the 490 00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:22,079 Golf Smarter member blog and I will give you the coupone code there because you'll 491 00:35:22,119 --> 00:35:25,440 be able to get that shot Watch discounted from one hundred and ninety nine to 492 00:35:25,559 --> 00:35:31,639 ninety five to one hundred and sixty dollars, which is a very generous discount 493 00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:36,079 for you to give to our listeners. We appreciate it very much. Well, 494 00:35:36,119 --> 00:35:38,760 we're certainly pleased to do so. Fred So again, if you're not 495 00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:43,920 a Golf Smarter member, this could be a great opportunity to take advantage of 496 00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:46,800 signing up for that just so you can get the discount, the significant discount 497 00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:51,800 here again one hundred and eighty dollars for normal Golf Smarter listeners with the coupon 498 00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:55,679 code golf Smarter and for Golf Smarter members one hundred and sixty dollars, and 499 00:35:55,760 --> 00:36:01,840 we'll give you that coupon code on the blog. And if you if you 500 00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:06,400 didn't find it, email me and I will send you the coupon code for 501 00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:08,840 that. But even more so, we're going to give one away. Actually 502 00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:15,039 we're going to give two away again. Ted and I talked about this previously 503 00:36:15,079 --> 00:36:19,039 and arranged that we are going to give one away to a golf Smarter member 504 00:36:19,599 --> 00:36:23,000 and we are going to have a drawing if you register to enter at golfsmarter 505 00:36:23,159 --> 00:36:30,239 dot com. Deadline for entry is November fifth, and we will announce the 506 00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:35,280 winner on November ninth. We will give one away randomly to a golf Smarter 507 00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:40,760 member on the episode of October nineteenth. But please go to golfsmarter dot com, 508 00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:45,440 click on contests and register to win a shot watch again, value to 509 00:36:45,519 --> 00:36:51,760 two hundred dollars discounted for you only you, and again, Ted, thank 510 00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:54,639 you so much for coming back on the show and bringing Tony along. He's 511 00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:58,519 absolutely yes. Well I want to I want to thank you Fred, and 512 00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:01,639 I also want to thank Tony because his his advice, you know, he's 513 00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:07,039 all his experience and teaching golf and all the rest of that has has helped 514 00:37:07,119 --> 00:37:10,760 us in the development of the product enormously. And and you know, so 515 00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:17,079 this is a this is genuinely a team effort and we're we're delighted to work 516 00:37:17,119 --> 00:37:22,639 together with with Tony and his and his boys out here. Great. And 517 00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:25,199 can I say goodbye to Tony myself? Yes, yes, here he is. 518 00:37:25,559 --> 00:37:29,320 Hey, friend, Hey Tony, thank you so much for coming onto 519 00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:34,360 the podcast, and best of luck with with this school. And I'm hoping 520 00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:37,079 when I come back down to the Desert sometime in twenty eleven that we'll get 521 00:37:37,079 --> 00:37:40,639 a chance to meet one another face to face. I hope so too, 522 00:37:40,639 --> 00:37:45,000 And I hope I didn't give you any kind of a bad ear here with 523 00:37:45,039 --> 00:37:46,679 it all that time. Oh I loved it. I loved it. At 524 00:37:46,679 --> 00:37:51,920 some point I'm going to want to be wearing a cap from your team from 525 00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:57,679 College of the Desert Golf team. That's a given. Awesome all right, 526 00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:00,320 Pelt, thank you Tony very much. We'll talk to you. Thank you, 527 00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:09,280 bye bye now. Hm