WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.640 --> 00:00:07.759 Breaking down the hall the exes at all. It's Steve Lavera and Jagin Salas. 2 00:00:08.119 --> 00:00:17.280 This is I on the Ball on Fox Sports fourteen fifty. They we're 3 00:00:17.280 --> 00:00:24.760 back. We have breaking news on the ball, breaking news on Fox Sports 4 00:00:24.800 --> 00:00:29.960 fourteen fifty. Breaking news that we have breaking news, breaking it was breaking 5 00:00:30.000 --> 00:00:33.880 news to me. It's news. It's news. The news that there was 6 00:00:33.960 --> 00:00:37.159 breaking news coming up. Wait to go, Steve. So we'll start with 7 00:00:37.159 --> 00:00:40.799 the most positive thing I think I saw today coming out of Arizona Sports Leaf 8 00:00:40.840 --> 00:00:44.880 Magnuson. He came out with a post today on X that said pretty much 9 00:00:44.880 --> 00:00:47.960 indicated, Hey, Tucson has been home to me for four years, treated 10 00:00:48.000 --> 00:00:52.280 me well, and now I would like to announce that anyone that buys a 11 00:00:52.359 --> 00:00:57.439 Leaf Maguson jersey, he says, all proceeds will go from the percent of 12 00:00:57.479 --> 00:01:00.320 what he receives on what he received a Tucson children's charity, and then the 13 00:01:00.320 --> 00:01:03.120 tickets will be donated to the same charity so that those kids can go watch 14 00:01:03.200 --> 00:01:08.280 him play. It was fantastic, fantastic. Did you see the price socks 15 00:01:08.319 --> 00:01:14.439 stuff with the jersey? Talked about what did you make? We didn't know 16 00:01:14.480 --> 00:01:15.480 what to make of it. We don't know what to make there. We 17 00:01:15.480 --> 00:01:21.439 didn't know if it was but then he commits and then maybe a much to 18 00:01:21.439 --> 00:01:23.519 do about nothing but maybe not. I don't I don't know which weird it 19 00:01:23.560 --> 00:01:26.760 was, just it seems like something weird. It's all of that is such 20 00:01:26.760 --> 00:01:33.359 a new you know, Leaf Magnuson gives you a sense of hope, right 21 00:01:33.519 --> 00:01:37.519 that some good will come out of this, but so much crap is coming 22 00:01:37.560 --> 00:01:40.319 out of this. Uh and what we'll talk to Ray Well is about some 23 00:01:40.359 --> 00:01:42.159 of that. But you know, just some of the things that go on 24 00:01:42.359 --> 00:01:47.400 like that, right, you know, but uh, great, Unleaf Magnuson. 25 00:01:47.439 --> 00:01:49.280 That's he's gonna, you know, donate his proceeds. I'm sure he 26 00:01:49.319 --> 00:01:52.959 can. You know, he'll have to get a pizza or whatever with you 27 00:01:53.040 --> 00:01:57.239 know, a couple of percentages from the jersey sales. But also you know 28 00:01:57.280 --> 00:02:00.280 he wants, hey, man, you get your jersey out there. People 29 00:02:00.280 --> 00:02:02.560 are buying it because it's it's for a good cause. That'd be pretty cool. 30 00:02:02.760 --> 00:02:08.719 Yeah. And then Arizona sophomore edge rusher Russell Davis the second has announced 31 00:02:08.759 --> 00:02:14.840 that he will officially transfer out of the program, and we also lost Raheem 32 00:02:14.840 --> 00:02:19.759 Wright and he commit. He was a recruiter command, he was a commit. 33 00:02:20.360 --> 00:02:23.960 Yeah for next year. He was granted his release from his national letter 34 00:02:23.960 --> 00:02:29.680 of it. Oh he did have it and okay, yeah, so yeah, 35 00:02:29.719 --> 00:02:32.599 the Arizona Arizona Wildcats have lost a couple of recruits, at least three 36 00:02:32.599 --> 00:02:37.840 players. We've gone to Washington. We had the three star running back Adam 37 00:02:37.879 --> 00:02:40.919 Mohammad, and we had the corner Jordan Shaw and Demon Williams. So the 38 00:02:40.960 --> 00:02:47.439 list is slowly it is. It's fourteen more days, right probably. Yeah, 39 00:02:47.560 --> 00:02:53.400 you know you're you're gonna lose guys and you go fill them up man 40 00:02:53.479 --> 00:02:55.919 that you know, the portal will open again for everybody. Uh, I 41 00:02:55.919 --> 00:03:00.199 think in April early April, and uh, you know, Brent Brand will 42 00:03:00.240 --> 00:03:02.280 have to go out and get some guys to fill some of these holes that 43 00:03:02.319 --> 00:03:08.120 are being created. But not not a surprise. It hasn't been an avalanche 44 00:03:08.159 --> 00:03:12.039 of guys like it happened at Alabama, but it's been some guys and some 45 00:03:12.120 --> 00:03:15.400 key guys like Joana Coleman and stuff. So yeah, yeah, definitely some 46 00:03:15.439 --> 00:03:20.800 retooling that will be coming the next year or so. The Sixers, Joel 47 00:03:20.800 --> 00:03:22.840 Embiid, I know this is a little bit out there. But the Sixers, 48 00:03:22.840 --> 00:03:24.919 it's kind of interesting the six of Joel Embiid is going to miss tonight's 49 00:03:24.960 --> 00:03:32.840 game against the Portland Trailblazers. But it's also kind of putting his MVP candidacy 50 00:03:32.840 --> 00:03:38.800 at risk because they're with the new rule you have to play sixty five games. 51 00:03:38.080 --> 00:03:40.800 He has now missed twelve games on the season. If he misses five 52 00:03:40.840 --> 00:03:45.560 more, he'll become ineligible for the MVP. Uh And they have quite a 53 00:03:45.560 --> 00:03:47.960 few games remaining on their schedule, so it's kind of interesting to see if 54 00:03:47.960 --> 00:03:53.599 he'll if he'll be able to stay healthy break we no, no, no, 55 00:03:53.639 --> 00:03:58.639 they just voted captains got a ways to go. Yeah, And but 56 00:03:58.680 --> 00:04:01.000 he's having an absolutely he I mean getting better by the Yeah, he's just 57 00:04:01.039 --> 00:04:04.319 got to play enough games. Yeah, and he's got to play again games 58 00:04:04.319 --> 00:04:09.639 against good teams as well. Speaking of good teams, that has to play 59 00:04:09.680 --> 00:04:12.560 at the same level of other good teams. Arizona has fallen out of the 60 00:04:12.560 --> 00:04:15.399 top ten and the latest ap pole, coming in at number eleven, behind 61 00:04:15.480 --> 00:04:19.839 Kentucky and Marquette. Would it And I posted this to the on Facebook and 62 00:04:19.879 --> 00:04:23.839 I just said, and still all the world has been fine, Uh if 63 00:04:23.879 --> 00:04:29.519 there were six, what what I mean nothing and the eleven does not exactly 64 00:04:30.399 --> 00:04:31.839 but we're talking about it. But definitely, at the end of the day, 65 00:04:31.839 --> 00:04:35.120 what does it matter in late genuine the team doesn't team shouldn't care. 66 00:04:35.600 --> 00:04:41.720 So beyondest if I was waiting for here from fans, well, recruiting and 67 00:04:41.720 --> 00:04:45.879 stuff, you're Arizona. You don't need strankings to be to be recruiting, 68 00:04:46.000 --> 00:04:48.800 now, you know. It's just it's just you said, it's conversation. 69 00:04:48.879 --> 00:04:54.399 It's fun. It's not fun being eleven. To the Cats who think they 70 00:04:54.399 --> 00:05:00.040 should do number one. I whoa it is me? I wanna die. 71 00:05:00.680 --> 00:05:05.480 Oh we're six, We're only six, We're just number one two weeks ago. 72 00:05:10.079 --> 00:05:12.800 Oh man. I will say though that you brought up how it's it's 73 00:05:12.839 --> 00:05:15.439 unimportant to recruiting. I think it's a side effect of the things that actually 74 00:05:15.480 --> 00:05:19.160 matter for recruiting, Like if your team has a good play style, people 75 00:05:19.199 --> 00:05:23.040 are watching them, they're succeeding in the games that people are watching them, 76 00:05:23.120 --> 00:05:26.519 you'll be higher ranked, and so in that way it does matter for recruiting. 77 00:05:26.519 --> 00:05:29.199 But the number itself has nothing to do with if you're fifteen or if 78 00:05:29.199 --> 00:05:33.040 you're seventeen. What's the difference. What sells is Arizona, which sells as 79 00:05:33.120 --> 00:05:39.519 Tommy and the Style. Yeah, McHale mkale. Right, it's historic, 80 00:05:39.600 --> 00:05:42.680 historic, you know, the eight, the brand a still still I mean, 81 00:05:42.680 --> 00:05:47.240 wait when you're if you're let's say, can't state it matters, yeah, 82 00:05:47.720 --> 00:05:49.759 right, right, that you're in the rankings, there's a big deal. 83 00:05:49.800 --> 00:05:53.800 Sure, but you know yeah Arizona, Yeah, they're beyond the rankings 84 00:05:53.959 --> 00:05:56.680 behind Tommy Way is not walking into anybody's literally saying, hey, do you 85 00:05:56.720 --> 00:05:58.720 know how many weeks we spent in the top ten of the eight? People? 86 00:05:59.279 --> 00:06:01.319 Come here? It was new thirty five years ago and that's so new 87 00:06:01.399 --> 00:06:05.879 now exactly exactly We were talking about this a little bit off air, but 88 00:06:05.959 --> 00:06:13.759 there has been some reporting going around between Forbes and Fortune that Taylor Swift has 89 00:06:13.759 --> 00:06:18.160 brought an additional three hundred and thirty one and a half million dollars in revenue 90 00:06:18.279 --> 00:06:24.319 to the invalue, in value, sorry value to the Kansas City Chiefs through 91 00:06:24.720 --> 00:06:32.360 just obviously marketing social media highlights and obviously just the viewership in general has skyrocketed, 92 00:06:32.600 --> 00:06:36.319 and just just saying she'll be doing the halftime show, well they call 93 00:06:36.399 --> 00:06:41.839 it brand value. And what they're saying is that you know, when you 94 00:06:41.879 --> 00:06:46.639 when you quantify or monetize, Yeah, you know, all that you know 95 00:06:47.079 --> 00:06:50.920 is happening because of her, whether it's in you know, print or digital 96 00:06:53.000 --> 00:06:57.199 social media, here on highlights, you know, every time they show her 97 00:06:57.240 --> 00:07:00.519 on television, you know, all those things that it adds up to three 98 00:07:00.639 --> 00:07:06.319 hundred and thirty one and a half million dollars in almost like advertising right value. 99 00:07:06.319 --> 00:07:11.600 For it's like when they have a golf tournament here, you have eyes 100 00:07:11.680 --> 00:07:15.040 on on the city and right it's it's kind of kind of like you know, 101 00:07:15.079 --> 00:07:18.240 you have your title, a title sponsorship, you pay x what you 102 00:07:18.319 --> 00:07:23.920 expect to get much more in value out of that group being on TV commercials, 103 00:07:23.959 --> 00:07:27.040 through having you know, your name mentioned every time a bowl game, 104 00:07:27.879 --> 00:07:30.000 when the bowl game is played, and all those kinds of things. So, 105 00:07:30.480 --> 00:07:33.560 but you know, she's I mean, she's uh, you know, 106 00:07:34.800 --> 00:07:41.240 I mean, she's as visible as anybody. It's her, it's her time. 107 00:07:41.279 --> 00:07:43.720 You know, people are comparing you know, what's going on with her 108 00:07:43.800 --> 00:07:46.680 to you know, Michael Jackson, Prince, you know when they were you 109 00:07:46.720 --> 00:07:50.399 know, those kind of artists or you know, we're huge and at their 110 00:07:50.439 --> 00:07:58.079 at the at the top of their popularity, that she's kind of in that 111 00:07:58.160 --> 00:08:03.120 neighborhood. I question that she's to the Michael Jackson level. But you know, 112 00:08:03.639 --> 00:08:07.160 she filled up a whole bunch of stadiums this last year, and it's 113 00:08:07.199 --> 00:08:11.199 crazy. That's how funny. A funny post on social media showed a picture 114 00:08:11.240 --> 00:08:15.160 of her at a concert when she was just getting off the ground. You 115 00:08:15.160 --> 00:08:18.519 wouldn't even call it a concert. She was playing at a beach. There 116 00:08:18.600 --> 00:08:22.199 was the stage and her band is on this stage and there's like a banner, 117 00:08:22.720 --> 00:08:26.720 you know, hooked to the stage and as Taylor Swift, and then 118 00:08:26.759 --> 00:08:28.959 it showed a picture of one of the full stadiums. It went from that 119 00:08:30.000 --> 00:08:33.399 to that, Yeah, well, you know, don't date her. You'll 120 00:08:33.399 --> 00:08:41.840 have a something about you don't. Well, she's gonna be in Japan the 121 00:08:41.919 --> 00:08:45.399 night before the game, so she has like twenty minutes to get to the 122 00:08:45.480 --> 00:08:48.000 game. Yeah, he said something with the where the Jets travel, and 123 00:08:48.440 --> 00:08:54.279 I guess she's got a fast playing. There's a song about that. I 124 00:08:54.279 --> 00:08:58.879 don't think there was with this flying economy. No, she's not. She's 125 00:08:58.919 --> 00:09:03.879 not going Southwest videos. Oh heyse on my flight to Vegas. Yeah, 126 00:09:05.200 --> 00:09:09.080 that's not happenying. Who is going to be in Vegas on time and not 127 00:09:09.159 --> 00:09:13.080 in Tokyo the night before, hopefully as Patrick Mahomes, who became the first 128 00:09:13.080 --> 00:09:16.320 ever quarterback to start in four Super Bowls before turning the age of thirty. 129 00:09:16.759 --> 00:09:20.240 He is the third quarterback to start in four Super Bowls in a five season 130 00:09:20.320 --> 00:09:24.279 span, joining just Tom Brady and Jim Kelly. His fourteenth playoff win puts 131 00:09:24.320 --> 00:09:28.679 him behind only Brady and Joe Montana, and his fourth Super Bowl start puts 132 00:09:28.759 --> 00:09:33.440 him in the class of just Brady and John Elway, who have more than 133 00:09:33.480 --> 00:09:35.320 him. But he's still young. Yeah, only Brady John Noway have more 134 00:09:35.360 --> 00:09:39.799 than him, have more than super Bowl Star because Terry Bratch I had. 135 00:09:41.159 --> 00:09:46.480 Yeah, Okay, he's into crap. He didn't even he didn't do the 136 00:09:46.480 --> 00:09:50.320 show this weekend either. He was not part of the program health. That's 137 00:09:50.360 --> 00:09:54.039 what they said. I did not know that. Actually, I thought this 138 00:09:54.120 --> 00:09:58.279 stat was also pretty crazy. That the the Eagles led the NFL with seventy 139 00:09:58.320 --> 00:10:03.200 sacks last season, they had zero versus Patrick Mahomes and the Super Bowl, 140 00:10:03.320 --> 00:10:07.519 and the Ravens led the NFL with thirty one takeaways this season and had zero 141 00:10:07.840 --> 00:10:11.080 yesterday against Patrick Mahomes. The Ravens were just bad. Yeah, they were 142 00:10:11.120 --> 00:10:15.480 not the team They went away from what got them there. They had six 143 00:10:15.600 --> 00:10:20.919 rushing plays I think for at least designed for running backs, which is unbelievable. 144 00:10:20.919 --> 00:10:22.600 They were just they were just it was me. You you could tell 145 00:10:22.759 --> 00:10:28.799 early on they didn't have Yeah. Yeah that that that that Lamar Jackson didn't 146 00:10:28.840 --> 00:10:31.759 have it. The team didn't have it. Yeah. So so I have 147 00:10:31.840 --> 00:10:37.279 something real quick. Uh, one of our sponsors for this show will not 148 00:10:37.360 --> 00:10:43.000 be operating this spring, the track, the Little Downs will not be operating. 149 00:10:43.399 --> 00:10:48.440 No, maybe in the fall. I guess there were some audits that 150 00:10:48.480 --> 00:10:50.720 needed to get done before the paperwork. It was not going to be ready 151 00:10:52.000 --> 00:10:54.039 before they were going to be starting here in two or three weeks, So 152 00:10:54.840 --> 00:10:58.240 that's the question. So they might move it to the fall, which could 153 00:10:58.399 --> 00:11:03.559 could being being conflict with the football. Yeah, who's gonna go out there? 154 00:11:03.679 --> 00:11:07.320 Yeah when well, it's a different audience, Jay, you know, 155 00:11:07.399 --> 00:11:09.240 and you know what, I know, it's a different audience. Yeah, 156 00:11:09.240 --> 00:11:11.279 but there's still some of us that like to do both. Well, Sundays 157 00:11:11.279 --> 00:11:16.000 you set your Sundays for that. But apparently that's going to be moved to 158 00:11:16.000 --> 00:11:18.279 the fall. I got Sunday ticket, I'm not going to so you won't 159 00:11:18.279 --> 00:11:22.240 be going. You will be going. So that's been moved to the bad. 160 00:11:22.559 --> 00:11:24.600 Yeah, so that will be to the fall. No reaching this semester 161 00:11:24.639 --> 00:11:28.879 of this this spring. And I have this just from the daily start. 162 00:11:30.360 --> 00:11:33.879 I guess the doctor Robbins went on the tube today or YouTube whatever you went 163 00:11:33.960 --> 00:11:37.679 on to do like the state of the whatever his finances are, there should 164 00:11:37.679 --> 00:11:41.240 be a five to fifteen percent of layoffs. There are one hundred and seventy 165 00:11:41.279 --> 00:11:46.840 seven million dollars one hundred and seventy seven million deficit with five to fifteen percent 166 00:11:48.519 --> 00:11:52.200 layoffs expected. Who whoa, I'm worried about the kid man. Yeah, 167 00:11:52.279 --> 00:12:00.279 I mean, no job is probably safe, right, Unfortunately bad You said 168 00:12:00.320 --> 00:12:05.799 sixty one of eighty one units of the university did not make their budget. 169 00:12:05.320 --> 00:12:13.039 Wow, that's that's a bad number. That's a bad number. You just 170 00:12:13.080 --> 00:12:15.720 wonder how it got out of hand like that, right, I mean that 171 00:12:15.799 --> 00:12:16.440 was my first thought. And I was like, you know what, that's 172 00:12:16.440 --> 00:12:20.320 not even not even close to my pay grade. Yeah, yeah, I 173 00:12:20.320 --> 00:12:22.720 mean you just wonder how long it's been going in that direction, and and 174 00:12:22.720 --> 00:12:26.399 and and how it got that bad. You know, somebody wasn't paying attention. 175 00:12:28.039 --> 00:12:31.759 And I don't know who, who's whose feet you lay that at? 176 00:12:31.519 --> 00:12:35.480 But dang, yeah, So just it is what it is. Now? 177 00:12:35.679 --> 00:12:39.840 Oh what time is it? Six twelve? You have anything? No? 178 00:12:39.039 --> 00:12:43.240 I did? Did we talk about Joe Lenardi? No? No? No? 179 00:12:43.240 --> 00:12:45.200 No? Oh? Okay, Well, Joe Lenardi came out with a 180 00:12:45.200 --> 00:12:48.399 new bracketology and for those of you fans who were losing your minds at Arizona 181 00:12:48.480 --> 00:12:54.559 is is headed south on the on the bracket, he's got still got Arizona 182 00:12:54.600 --> 00:12:58.039 as a two seed, and comfortably as a two seed. He's got them 183 00:12:58.039 --> 00:13:01.080 as the sixth, which is a seed in the tournament. His number one 184 00:13:01.159 --> 00:13:05.120 is Purdue, his number two is Yukon, number three is Houston. Number 185 00:13:05.159 --> 00:13:09.080 four is North Carolina. So those are your four number one seeds. Then 186 00:13:09.200 --> 00:13:13.360 his number five is Tennessee and followed by Arizona, then Wisconsin, who Arizona's 187 00:13:13.399 --> 00:13:20.559 beaten, Marquette, Kansas who lost again is down on the three line. 188 00:13:20.320 --> 00:13:24.320 Alabama is on the three line, another team that Arizona beat. Duke is 189 00:13:24.360 --> 00:13:28.600 on the four line, another team that Arizona beat, And so you know, 190 00:13:28.919 --> 00:13:35.480 look there's a long way to go. He's still got Oregon out. 191 00:13:35.840 --> 00:13:39.159 He's got Washington as the first four out in, Washington State first four out. 192 00:13:39.559 --> 00:13:43.320 Oregon is the next four out. He's got Colorado the last four in, 193 00:13:45.039 --> 00:13:52.600 and he's got so I'm presuming he's got Utah in because he's got he's 194 00:13:52.600 --> 00:13:56.279 got three pack twelve teams. I haven't seen the whole bracket. He's got 195 00:13:56.279 --> 00:14:01.600 three pack twelve teams in there, so okay, oh yeah, well he's 196 00:14:01.639 --> 00:14:05.360 got he's got Colorado in, so he must have Utah in. And then 197 00:14:05.360 --> 00:14:09.240 he's got Washington State and Oregon out. Okay, good stuff, Thank you 198 00:14:09.279 --> 00:14:13.320 guys. All right, we're coming back. 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Let Arizona 264 00:18:59.079 --> 00:19:02.680 Pest Control get rid of your bad bugs, termites, bees, or rodents 265 00:19:02.720 --> 00:19:07.440 serving Tucson and Southern Arizona since nineteen forty seven. Go to azypast dot com 266 00:19:07.440 --> 00:19:15.240 to schedule your free evaluation Today. Streaming live on the iHeartRadio app. This 267 00:19:15.440 --> 00:19:21.880 is I on the Ball with Steve Rivera and Jay Gonzalez on Fox Sports fourteen 268 00:19:22.039 --> 00:19:23.960 fifty. Hey, welcome back to Why on the Ball hero Fox Worths fourteen 269 00:19:25.000 --> 00:19:27.599 fifteen. I'm Steve Rivera. Hee's jakinsaus known if we have Ray Wells with 270 00:19:27.720 --> 00:19:33.000 the Desert Takeover Football Collective. How are you Ray? Oh? I'm doing 271 00:19:33.000 --> 00:19:36.440 great guy. How are you doing? We're doing well. Thanks for joining 272 00:19:36.559 --> 00:19:40.759 us. Uh you wanted a touch base and because of the changeover with coaches, 273 00:19:40.799 --> 00:19:42.799 are you as busy as ever or how is it for you right now? 274 00:19:45.279 --> 00:19:48.920 You know what, we are definitely busy. I think it's interesting. 275 00:19:49.880 --> 00:19:52.759 I told someone, you know, when someone leaves you, you kind of 276 00:19:52.799 --> 00:19:56.480 have that new, renewed energy to make sure things are going to be good 277 00:19:56.519 --> 00:20:00.839 for the future. And I think that's what's happened to in Tucson. We've 278 00:20:00.839 --> 00:20:06.599 had a lot of interest in supporting a collective since around the fifteenth through the 279 00:20:06.599 --> 00:20:08.839 month. So ray when when something like this happens? And you know, 280 00:20:10.119 --> 00:20:12.279 we saw that at the other schools. Everybody who pretty much you know, 281 00:20:12.359 --> 00:20:17.240 a coach leaves. There's a lot of churn. Players leave, players come. 282 00:20:17.720 --> 00:20:21.599 What kind of role does the do you have or does a collective like 283 00:20:21.680 --> 00:20:27.279 yours have in do you know what? I think? Yeah, we've got 284 00:20:27.279 --> 00:20:30.799 some feedback. What kind of role do you have in helping the coach kind 285 00:20:30.839 --> 00:20:36.240 of hold things together? Can you hear me? Yeah, we can hear 286 00:20:36.240 --> 00:20:40.759 you. Yeah, yeah, you know, our our job really was focused 287 00:20:40.759 --> 00:20:44.160 on to focus on the roster. I think everyone involved in the collective really 288 00:20:44.920 --> 00:20:48.880 roster and making sure that we could keep letting the players know we were here 289 00:20:48.880 --> 00:20:51.039 for them and we wanted to support them and keep them here in Tucson. 290 00:20:51.799 --> 00:20:56.000 So I'm sure you were spoken to a lot to buy the players or who 291 00:20:56.359 --> 00:20:59.160 who goes to you? Do the players go directly to you or coaches? 292 00:20:59.240 --> 00:21:03.359 Or how does this work? So yeah, we primarily as a collective deal 293 00:21:03.400 --> 00:21:07.319 with just the student athletes. So for us, it was there were some 294 00:21:07.359 --> 00:21:12.680 conversations and they were honest, I think I won't divulge what some of the 295 00:21:12.680 --> 00:21:18.480 players said, but I think there were some honest conversations about what they would 296 00:21:18.519 --> 00:21:21.960 like to see happening going forward, and and uh yeah, and as it 297 00:21:22.000 --> 00:21:23.640 turns out, we were able to do a great job and keep you know, 298 00:21:23.759 --> 00:21:26.480 most of our players are in Tucson. Could you ask him about the 299 00:21:26.519 --> 00:21:30.240 geist in the in the because yeah, well, you know, here here's 300 00:21:30.400 --> 00:21:33.680 here's something that you know, you want to wonder how you know, because 301 00:21:33.839 --> 00:21:37.920 you know, when you're talking about a collective altogether, you know, friends 302 00:21:37.920 --> 00:21:41.400 of Wilburn Wilman, and how you're trying you're trying to support all the athletes, 303 00:21:41.440 --> 00:21:44.039 but you know, even the athletes within the program, Like we talked 304 00:21:44.039 --> 00:21:48.039 to Jordan Geist, we talked to uh uh Jilaney Schanelle who both said, 305 00:21:48.359 --> 00:21:52.799 you know, NIL is more really football and basketball and that that you know, 306 00:21:52.839 --> 00:21:56.240 they might get some sponsorships and get some gear and things like that, 307 00:21:56.279 --> 00:21:59.720 but they don't seem to get a lot that it's really centered around football and 308 00:21:59.759 --> 00:22:03.640 bassketball. I mean, is that you agree with that? And and how 309 00:22:03.839 --> 00:22:08.960 how how can other athletes take advantage of some of this stuff? You know 310 00:22:10.039 --> 00:22:12.799 what, I think that there's their support for all sports. I think we've 311 00:22:12.880 --> 00:22:17.319 we've worked at this point from friends of Olbern Wilma's standpoint, and as a 312 00:22:17.400 --> 00:22:22.240 collective, we've worked with women's swim and dive, soccer, women's basketball, 313 00:22:22.440 --> 00:22:27.599 baseball, tennis, and and I'm actually currently working on a deal for track 314 00:22:27.640 --> 00:22:33.920 and field. So I think that those sports the opportunities are coming. And 315 00:22:33.960 --> 00:22:38.000 then also you look at you also look at what happens in athletics in terms 316 00:22:38.000 --> 00:22:42.240 of revenue generation and kind of how that has to trickle down effect and negotiate 317 00:22:42.400 --> 00:22:45.920 other sports. You know, you look at men's basketball and football, and 318 00:22:45.920 --> 00:22:49.359 then there's kind of trickle down in terms of the revenue and how that's split 319 00:22:49.400 --> 00:22:53.200 to be able to support some of other sports. I think that's not necessarily 320 00:22:53.240 --> 00:22:56.039 purposely what happened with N I L. I just feel like it's kind of 321 00:22:56.039 --> 00:23:00.880 taking that same path where you're gonna see some trickle down effect as we get 322 00:23:00.920 --> 00:23:03.200 going. Yeah, NIL is only this is only a third year of NIL. 323 00:23:03.519 --> 00:23:10.480 There's going to be a shift where you're trying to see more Olympic sports 324 00:23:10.519 --> 00:23:12.720 to get more NIL and more support. All right, getting back to the 325 00:23:12.720 --> 00:23:15.920 festivities of the last couple of weeks, we had em Bert to Lopez on 326 00:23:15.400 --> 00:23:21.359 on the show last week, and he talked about how he developed an arrangement 327 00:23:21.359 --> 00:23:26.200 specifically with McMillan Tetro McMillan, you know, other athletes obviously had to get 328 00:23:26.519 --> 00:23:30.200 you know, they had to you know, find opportunities elsewhere. How much 329 00:23:30.240 --> 00:23:36.799 of that in terms of you know, boosters or Colum booster supporters or whatever 330 00:23:37.039 --> 00:23:44.039 is going on directly with athletes versus athletes getting nil opportunities through the collective, 331 00:23:44.480 --> 00:23:49.519 And there's room for both. I'm assuming right there is absolutely room for both. 332 00:23:51.400 --> 00:23:56.000 Berta Lopez has been a huge supporter of the collective census inception a couple 333 00:23:56.079 --> 00:23:59.880 of years ago. I think he's so compelled to be able to find a 334 00:24:00.119 --> 00:24:06.440 way to get a deal done with Timac. But there's opportunities for for any 335 00:24:06.960 --> 00:24:10.759 local business owner to be able to engage in IL as long as they go 336 00:24:10.799 --> 00:24:15.039 through the proper paperwork and procedures. They don't necessarily have to go to the 337 00:24:15.559 --> 00:24:17.759 Collective to be able to get a done bill done. If they want to 338 00:24:17.759 --> 00:24:22.240 do a direct you know, business to students transaction and that's actually allowed, 339 00:24:22.759 --> 00:24:26.839 and do you do you provide any kind of guidance on that or are they 340 00:24:26.920 --> 00:24:32.799 kind of on their own on that. So the beautiful, the beautiful thing 341 00:24:32.880 --> 00:24:40.039 is in UH. The Athletics department actually has the Athlete Marketplace where student athletes, 342 00:24:40.319 --> 00:24:42.839 where locals can engage with student athletes to that website. It helps in 343 00:24:42.920 --> 00:24:48.279 terms of give you the dos and don'ts. All the compliance rules and regulations 344 00:24:48.279 --> 00:24:52.720 are kind of laid out there, so it helps everyone involved from having any 345 00:24:52.799 --> 00:24:56.720 kind of missteps or any possible violations. So let me give you a hypothetical 346 00:24:56.799 --> 00:24:59.519 rate. So I have one hundred thousand dollars in my pocket. Of course, 347 00:24:59.519 --> 00:25:03.799 it's a hyph athetical happen So, so given the situation that you've a 348 00:25:03.920 --> 00:25:08.160 now financially and I'm a booster and mister x uh and I want to help 349 00:25:08.240 --> 00:25:12.000 out, help out the university, get out of their mess, help with 350 00:25:12.039 --> 00:25:17.240 the kids, help with collective and all that, at some point my wallet 351 00:25:17.279 --> 00:25:19.839 is gonna go My bucket is going to go empty. How is that because 352 00:25:21.079 --> 00:25:26.519 everybody's trying to reach out to me to get the money. You know what, 353 00:25:26.599 --> 00:25:30.200 I think it's donor centric. That's the one that's been the one thing 354 00:25:30.559 --> 00:25:34.640 with NIL is that donors that want to support NIL have been able to do 355 00:25:34.680 --> 00:25:41.880 that and it's not an and or it's just an addition too. So if 356 00:25:41.880 --> 00:25:45.599 you're given to the athletics department, or you're giving some excuse or some unit 357 00:25:45.640 --> 00:25:48.559 on campus, you have the ability to be able to give to the collective. 358 00:25:48.599 --> 00:25:52.480 And that's what's happened. I don't think it's anyone had to choose either 359 00:25:52.640 --> 00:25:56.279 or it's been I want to support this, I fully back and I want 360 00:25:56.279 --> 00:26:00.480 to back to student athletes. I also want to be able to support the 361 00:26:00.519 --> 00:26:04.640 College of Medicine or the athletics department or somewhat of the NC on campus. 362 00:26:06.400 --> 00:26:10.799 And and so you're finding the people are doing both. Are they spreading it 363 00:26:10.839 --> 00:26:14.319 around, you know as similar you know, like are they giving more or 364 00:26:14.319 --> 00:26:19.039 are they kind of spreading what they've had. I would say there's a combination. 365 00:26:19.160 --> 00:26:22.279 There are some that are giving more than what they've ever given on top 366 00:26:22.359 --> 00:26:26.240 of what they've done in the past, and there are some that are kind 367 00:26:26.240 --> 00:26:29.960 of spreading it around. Like there's some donors that want to be equal between, 368 00:26:30.240 --> 00:26:33.000 you know, helping supporting the football program but then also supporting the basketball 369 00:26:33.039 --> 00:26:38.640 program. But then they're also supporting the athletics department. So I think what's 370 00:26:38.680 --> 00:26:47.319 going to be interesting is you have the university starting uh, the university. 371 00:26:47.720 --> 00:26:49.279 I had a little feedback there. You have the university in their campaign, 372 00:26:49.920 --> 00:26:53.079 with everything that's going along with campus, You're going to see more donors start 373 00:26:53.160 --> 00:26:56.599 to step up and make sure that all that needs are taken care of. 374 00:26:57.599 --> 00:27:02.839 I feel like more was just like on Barcelopez, see a need, have 375 00:27:03.000 --> 00:27:06.119 the means to be able to help and support and then do that until then 376 00:27:06.160 --> 00:27:10.039 the bleatings. So you have your heart here, you played here, you're 377 00:27:10.039 --> 00:27:12.319 now working for the school and I've just been reading. You know, it's 378 00:27:12.640 --> 00:27:15.920 a case of where the haves have and the have nots don't. Have. 379 00:27:17.400 --> 00:27:21.279 You talked about Ohio State and Michigan doing really well with all this, but 380 00:27:21.799 --> 00:27:25.119 what does Arizona fit Because you guys have to kind of maybe even think out 381 00:27:25.119 --> 00:27:29.519 of the box. Or am I wrong? I would say most of the 382 00:27:29.680 --> 00:27:36.000 universities that you see the strong in IL programs have also had strong development programs 383 00:27:36.079 --> 00:27:40.200 and then you just kind of or booster programs and you've seen that support kind 384 00:27:40.240 --> 00:27:44.640 of continue on what I said before, they're choosing to be able to support 385 00:27:44.640 --> 00:27:47.359 in a different way. When it comes to the University of Arizona, I 386 00:27:47.400 --> 00:27:49.319 think we are, you know, in terms of the PAC twelve, which 387 00:27:49.359 --> 00:27:53.319 is the conference we're in currently, we do pretty well. I'd say we're 388 00:27:53.319 --> 00:27:59.400 probably in the top half of the conference in terms of collectives and we do 389 00:27:59.480 --> 00:28:03.680 well have and so as we moved into the Big twelve, I think there's 390 00:28:03.720 --> 00:28:07.839 already been the valuation of what was to do and kind of going forward. 391 00:28:07.319 --> 00:28:12.079 Our goal this year was to raise four million dollars just for football. It's 392 00:28:12.079 --> 00:28:15.680 an aggressive goal, but I think that's the number that that was everyone was 393 00:28:15.720 --> 00:28:21.039 comfortable that we felt would give us the opportunity to have a strong NIL program 394 00:28:21.119 --> 00:28:23.519 to support football. Wait when you say that and you're comparing yourselves to others, 395 00:28:23.519 --> 00:28:27.079 I mean, the competition out there has to be incredible. You know, 396 00:28:27.119 --> 00:28:30.640 when you see an athlete say, Okay, well I was getting this 397 00:28:30.720 --> 00:28:33.240 here, but I'm going over here because I've got this opportunity over there. 398 00:28:33.640 --> 00:28:37.359 I mean how I mean, how difficult does that or how how do you 399 00:28:37.359 --> 00:28:41.680 guys you know, work through you know and avoid you know, being in 400 00:28:41.720 --> 00:28:48.799 a bidding war for players and that kind of thing. The quotea phrase, 401 00:28:49.400 --> 00:28:52.279 we we just kind of moneyball the hell out of it and just do the 402 00:28:52.319 --> 00:28:56.000 best we can well what we have and we kind of know who we are 403 00:28:56.079 --> 00:29:00.400 and what our niche is. We know the type of players that we want 404 00:29:00.400 --> 00:29:03.079 to recruit because now it's not just about recruiting people to get them on campus. 405 00:29:03.119 --> 00:29:06.720 You have to from to keep them on campus, right because you all 406 00:29:06.759 --> 00:29:10.640 know what was happening lately. Yeah, but you know one of the things 407 00:29:10.720 --> 00:29:14.920 that Coach Brennan he was, you know, making sure you also have a 408 00:29:14.960 --> 00:29:18.240 developmental portion of your program, but you actually can go get those kids that 409 00:29:18.559 --> 00:29:22.200 maybe did get the offer, but there's still you know, a solid three 410 00:29:22.240 --> 00:29:26.599 star kid that can come here and be a stud and be an all conference 411 00:29:26.640 --> 00:29:30.799 performer. And if you have that type of antalitude where you're constantly going to 412 00:29:30.839 --> 00:29:36.200 try to backfield with some developmental players and then you kind of have those stars 413 00:29:36.240 --> 00:29:38.759 and studs that you you know, TL deals are going to be out there 414 00:29:38.759 --> 00:29:44.200 for, you can keep a very sustainable program. How quickly after Brent Brennan 415 00:29:44.240 --> 00:29:47.039 got here, did you meet with get a chance to meet with him? 416 00:29:47.039 --> 00:29:55.480 And what was that conversation? Like it was actually a reunion. Coach Brennan 417 00:29:55.880 --> 00:30:00.039 was the graduate assistant my first year here in Tucson on the staff and I 418 00:30:00.119 --> 00:30:03.839 spent a lot of time. Uh. One of his gaduties was he was 419 00:30:03.839 --> 00:30:08.119 in charge of the Scout defense. I read shared to my friend on campus, 420 00:30:08.160 --> 00:30:11.359 I was on the Scout defense. So I spent as much time with 421 00:30:11.480 --> 00:30:15.559 him as a coach that I did with my own position coach. So it 422 00:30:15.599 --> 00:30:18.319 was great. You know, Brad Brennan and his brother, Brad and I 423 00:30:18.359 --> 00:30:22.000 were teammates and we've been we've been in touch and over the past twenty plus 424 00:30:22.160 --> 00:30:26.440 years, we always talk and chat and to each other. So it's been 425 00:30:26.519 --> 00:30:32.119 nice to actually have him here, just like a homecoming. It's it's quite 426 00:30:32.119 --> 00:30:36.000 a change. Was twenty three years twenty four years now since you guys have 427 00:30:36.039 --> 00:30:41.920 worked together, these times have changed. You were a player. How is 428 00:30:41.960 --> 00:30:45.440 it because it's like they say, the wild wild West, is it? 429 00:30:45.519 --> 00:30:52.680 Is it more difficult than people think in terms of coaching? No, no, 430 00:30:52.680 --> 00:30:55.559 no, In terms of getting the moneys that you need doing what you're 431 00:30:55.599 --> 00:31:00.680 doing, Yeah, no, I would say it's not. I mean everything 432 00:31:00.759 --> 00:31:03.960 is difficult when you're asking someone to give us their own, their herd own 433 00:31:04.039 --> 00:31:07.440 money. Yeah. I think the value as long as people, as long 434 00:31:07.519 --> 00:31:11.920 as any individual seeds the value and what you're asking what the money's for. 435 00:31:11.519 --> 00:31:15.400 They're willing to give. And you know, two years ago we started a 436 00:31:15.519 --> 00:31:18.240 collective. We were in a you know, coach Fishers, in a mass 437 00:31:18.400 --> 00:31:23.319 rebuild and NIL was new and I think after that first year, you saw, 438 00:31:23.680 --> 00:31:26.039 you know, we got some players, we got a little bit of 439 00:31:26.039 --> 00:31:30.480 different, you know, better on offense. Our record improved from one win 440 00:31:30.559 --> 00:31:33.000 to five wins, and then you know, we kind of went all in 441 00:31:33.000 --> 00:31:34.200 a little bit more and you get a ten win season out of that. 442 00:31:34.680 --> 00:31:38.720 So now it's easier to say, hey, this is what is possible. 443 00:31:40.039 --> 00:31:41.920 Would you be willing to help us and support us? And now you have 444 00:31:42.000 --> 00:31:47.039 a just tangible proof that yet if I give, we can we're able to 445 00:31:47.079 --> 00:31:48.680 be able to use these things and there's a positive outcome that's going to come 446 00:31:48.680 --> 00:31:53.599 from it. Are you getting more of the average fan, you know who's 447 00:31:53.599 --> 00:31:57.960 saying, Okay, I'll give you twenty bucks a month or forty dollars a 448 00:31:57.960 --> 00:32:00.799 month or whatever, you know, not the I mean, you're always going 449 00:32:00.839 --> 00:32:05.880 to have the big money boosters who say I'm committed to this. But are 450 00:32:05.880 --> 00:32:10.599 there more people involved with giving both to NIL and as well as the university 451 00:32:10.640 --> 00:32:14.119 as a whole. In the last two and a half three weeks, we 452 00:32:14.240 --> 00:32:20.759 have had a huge swell end donations and they range the amounts are are you 453 00:32:20.759 --> 00:32:23.680 know, anywhere from twenty five dollars on up? But I think there is 454 00:32:24.880 --> 00:32:30.319 there is a huge push to support the program and that's been great, Like 455 00:32:31.200 --> 00:32:35.119 you know, and I think by presetting your show throughout the summer, like 456 00:32:35.160 --> 00:32:37.920 everyone can get involved. We just want to have as many people as possible 457 00:32:37.960 --> 00:32:43.480 supporting our NIL program, and supporting does a takeover, and that message is 458 00:32:43.480 --> 00:32:46.400 really starting to sink in and we're definitely starting to see more people sign up 459 00:32:46.400 --> 00:32:50.319 with more donors. Are I'm gonna call it the I'll get back at you 460 00:32:50.400 --> 00:32:54.359 Jetfish fund, I'll get back at you. We're gonna honestly, but you 461 00:32:54.400 --> 00:32:58.799 could call it that, and it would be great because I would say that. 462 00:32:58.799 --> 00:33:02.359 That Tuesday and Wednesday after his departure, I got a lot more phone 463 00:33:02.359 --> 00:33:07.119 calls than I had been getting. But you know what, it wasn't necessarily 464 00:33:07.160 --> 00:33:10.440 so much about hey, we're going to stick it to this guy. It 465 00:33:10.519 --> 00:33:13.880 was more hit. I really want to support the players, and I want 466 00:33:13.920 --> 00:33:16.559 this team to stay together. I believe in them. There's a special group 467 00:33:16.599 --> 00:33:21.039 and we want to keep this group here in Tucsons. Do you worry much 468 00:33:21.160 --> 00:33:24.240 or do you pay much attention to what the other schools are doing and how 469 00:33:24.279 --> 00:33:28.319 they're doing it and how well they're doing and you know how much money some 470 00:33:28.400 --> 00:33:30.960 of these other schools have. I suppose there's not a whole lot you can 471 00:33:30.960 --> 00:33:35.400 do about it. But where where is your Is there any angst with what's 472 00:33:35.440 --> 00:33:38.279 going on elsewhere? Do you try and measure yourself to other schools? How 473 00:33:38.279 --> 00:33:43.799 do you how do you approach all that you know? What you you can 474 00:33:44.680 --> 00:33:47.119 waste time? You really could, it was a waste of time to try 475 00:33:47.160 --> 00:33:51.960 and compare yourself to everyone else's see where you fall. I think we just 476 00:33:51.960 --> 00:33:53.640 focus on being the best that we can be and kind of like I said 477 00:33:53.640 --> 00:33:58.599 before, we know where our niches and our niches and where we try and 478 00:33:58.599 --> 00:34:02.799 fit in and that's okay. We're comfortable in our space, I think, 479 00:34:02.920 --> 00:34:07.680 And that's always been kind of that's the lay of the land across college athletic. 480 00:34:07.000 --> 00:34:12.679 You're going to have Oregon, who you know, has supporters where they 481 00:34:12.719 --> 00:34:16.199 can build one hundred and eighty million dollars facility, Well, our facility was 482 00:34:16.320 --> 00:34:22.119 seventy five million dollars. So it's a great building and it does exactly what 483 00:34:22.119 --> 00:34:24.679 begin to do here in Tucson. So you know, Texas A and M 484 00:34:24.719 --> 00:34:28.880 is another example of that text dam as well as the best collectives. And 485 00:34:28.920 --> 00:34:30.639 they just fired their coach and paid them seventy five million dollars to go away. 486 00:34:30.840 --> 00:34:35.119 Yeah. Yeah, you can have a lot of money. That doesn't 487 00:34:35.159 --> 00:34:37.639 necessarily mean you know what to do with it, and it's it's going to 488 00:34:37.679 --> 00:34:40.000 equate to success. We would rather make sure we get the right people in 489 00:34:40.079 --> 00:34:44.519 place to en ship, you know, to keep our brand and our style 490 00:34:44.559 --> 00:34:49.519 of football and our young people that we get here that are solid individuals, 491 00:34:49.840 --> 00:34:53.000 solid student athletes. That's what we want as what's most important. Ray Wells, 492 00:34:53.079 --> 00:34:55.199 we appreciate your time and starting to tell you, Ray, you were 493 00:34:55.199 --> 00:35:01.000 born twenty years too early. Yeah you know what, Like I said, 494 00:35:01.199 --> 00:35:04.639 I would be one of those guys. If somebody was willing to pay me 495 00:35:04.719 --> 00:35:07.920 to do something that I absolutely love and I got to sign a couple of 496 00:35:07.960 --> 00:35:09.679 autographs and show up and wave my hand and shake some hands, I'd be 497 00:35:09.719 --> 00:35:14.880 happy to do it. But I mean, and that's the thing we have 498 00:35:15.519 --> 00:35:17.599 when we talk about money. Our kids love football, and they love being 499 00:35:17.639 --> 00:35:21.840 here. They love Tucson, and I think that's if I could say one 500 00:35:21.840 --> 00:35:25.079 thing about our student athletes. They love being here and they love being Wildcats. 501 00:35:25.119 --> 00:35:29.119 And that's why it makes what I do so important. That's why I 502 00:35:29.199 --> 00:35:32.159 enjoy what I do. Great, great Tinky Ray is always thanks about man. 503 00:35:32.960 --> 00:35:37.960 You guys have a good one. How do they find how do they 504 00:35:37.000 --> 00:35:42.079 find race? Okay, Desert Takeover is the you go to the friends of 505 00:35:42.079 --> 00:35:46.039 Wilma and will Friends of Wilma and Wilbur website. I think you can find 506 00:35:46.079 --> 00:35:52.159 them there. Uh. There's also there's also a basketball collective as well. 507 00:35:52.239 --> 00:35:55.639 Yeah, you can go there, but uh, friends of Wilbur and Wilma 508 00:35:55.719 --> 00:36:00.960 is it's Friends of Wilburt and Wilma dot com. I think Desert Takeover has 509 00:36:01.000 --> 00:36:07.639 its own website for football. For football, Desert Takeover is football. Uh, 510 00:36:07.639 --> 00:36:12.599 and then there's then there's the basketball one, but it's a Desert Takeover 511 00:36:12.719 --> 00:36:15.920 dot com. That's a collective you can go on. You can make donations 512 00:36:15.159 --> 00:36:19.480 right on their website and and give them a hand. And it sounds like 513 00:36:19.519 --> 00:36:22.760 people are doing that. So you can get tax deductible donations. You can 514 00:36:22.800 --> 00:36:28.519 also provide opportunities for the for the athletes to have a chance to make a 515 00:36:28.559 --> 00:36:30.559 little bit of money. Well, I'll get back at you, jigfish. 516 00:36:30.599 --> 00:36:36.239 Watch they're doing that. They're doing that, all right, Hey, stick 517 00:36:36.239 --> 00:36:37.239 around, We got one more segment to go. Give us a call. 518 00:36:37.519 --> 00:36:40.000 Five to two zero four one, six, seventy four forty one. Right 519 00:36:40.039 --> 00:36:47.239 back. Don't believe, just fla. Don't believe, just fla, don't 520 00:36:47.280 --> 00:36:52.599 believe LA For an Arizona men's basketball fan, you know it's been successful for 521 00:36:52.639 --> 00:36:55.920 nearly forty years. 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The A Team Apply online today at a team security dot net. 563 00:39:52.000 --> 00:39:58.000 This is I on the Ball with Steve Rivera and Jay Gonzalez sound Fox Sports 564 00:39:58.039 --> 00:40:02.840 fourteen fifteen. Subscribe to the podcast on the iHeartRadio app Just Surgery, Eye 565 00:40:02.840 --> 00:40:06.639 on the Ball. Hey, welcome back to my in the ball here on 566 00:40:06.679 --> 00:40:09.320 Fox Sports fourteen fifteen. I'm Steve, he's Jay. Got Kevin with us 567 00:40:09.360 --> 00:40:13.000 today, got about thirteen minutes. You know. One of the things Jay, 568 00:40:13.400 --> 00:40:17.119 I saw this earlier today the gymnast from LSU. So she's missed a 569 00:40:17.119 --> 00:40:22.599 couple of the last meets. She gets paid a ton of money. So 570 00:40:22.000 --> 00:40:27.800 if you're not working, I mean, I would imagine there has to be 571 00:40:27.840 --> 00:40:30.039 something in the contract that says you got to be doing the stuff you're supposed 572 00:40:30.039 --> 00:40:32.519 to be doing that gets you the visibility that we're paying for, right, 573 00:40:32.639 --> 00:40:35.840 right, I think, But then again, I don't know. I mean, 574 00:40:35.880 --> 00:40:38.760 like, okay, Like, we know TMAC has a as a as 575 00:40:37.679 --> 00:40:44.719 a contract with Burt Lopez. There has I mean, if he gets hurt, 576 00:40:44.840 --> 00:40:46.679 there's there's you know, there's nothing you can do about that. But 577 00:40:46.800 --> 00:40:52.719 let's say TMAC gets suspended, yeah, or let's say he quits the team. 578 00:40:52.760 --> 00:40:55.920 Yeah, Or let's say something happened when he is no longer what happens 579 00:40:55.920 --> 00:40:59.199 to the you know, is there a provision in the contract that says if 580 00:40:59.639 --> 00:41:01.800 this happen depends you know, the contract is you know, in valid not. 581 00:41:01.960 --> 00:41:06.079 I'm not suggesting that any of that's gonna happen. It seems like a 582 00:41:06.079 --> 00:41:08.480 good guy, but you know, you never know, you get in trouble 583 00:41:08.559 --> 00:41:12.079 off campus or whatever, and the next thing you know, you know, 584 00:41:12.119 --> 00:41:16.440 you're not on the field. You wonder if those contracts have something that deals 585 00:41:16.440 --> 00:41:20.079 with that. Sure. In addition to what you're saying, Jay, I 586 00:41:20.119 --> 00:41:22.920 think I think you're talking about Olivia Dunn, right, Yeah, yeah, 587 00:41:22.920 --> 00:41:25.760 I think Olivia Dunn's main draw is her social media presence. To be honest, 588 00:41:25.960 --> 00:41:29.800 she's an alright gymnast. She's obviously a high level gymnast. I'm not 589 00:41:29.800 --> 00:41:32.719 taking anything away from it, but so that's off her level. She's you're 590 00:41:32.760 --> 00:41:37.039 not watching her go to the Olympics. You're paying her because she is a 591 00:41:37.039 --> 00:41:39.599 social media draw. She's got millions of followers. Everyone's gonna go to her 592 00:41:39.639 --> 00:41:44.119 meets pretty much regardless of whether she's to your point or not, because she's 593 00:41:44.119 --> 00:41:45.480 gonna be in the room. That's what you're paying for. Yeah, and 594 00:41:45.840 --> 00:41:47.880 Tam Mac, you're paying him to be on the field and be an elite 595 00:41:47.880 --> 00:41:52.519 wide receiver. Maybe not necessarily because he's the most interesting guy. I'm not 596 00:41:52.519 --> 00:41:54.000 saying he's not interesting, but he doesn't put that out there for us to 597 00:41:54.039 --> 00:41:58.000 really see. So we'll talk about this. So this movie, you jay 598 00:41:58.000 --> 00:42:00.920 a lot one on one with the Robbie Benson, right. One of his 599 00:42:01.000 --> 00:42:06.199 jobs, one of the player jobs was cutting the graphs or more turning on 600 00:42:06.239 --> 00:42:07.639 the sprint, turn on the spring and they were automatic. Actually had a 601 00:42:07.639 --> 00:42:13.119 friend who that was actually his job at a baseball So they're automatic. Uh 602 00:42:13.280 --> 00:42:15.639 so what if the team Mac and we're using him because we know he's an 603 00:42:15.639 --> 00:42:20.559 agreement, Uh, he has to do the work. I would think, 604 00:42:20.760 --> 00:42:23.320 well is there is it illegal if he doesn't, Well, there's there because 605 00:42:23.320 --> 00:42:27.440 of the money that's involved, there has to be more to it, right. 606 00:42:27.599 --> 00:42:29.840 I mean, let let's say, you know, I mean t mac 607 00:42:30.360 --> 00:42:34.199 he's he's not getting paid to be on the field his he I mean he 608 00:42:34.320 --> 00:42:36.800 is, but he's not. You know, the contract is for him to 609 00:42:36.840 --> 00:42:39.639 do, as Burt, like I said, provide some sort of service, 610 00:42:39.679 --> 00:42:44.119 which you know, according to like Ray Wells was just saying, you know, 611 00:42:44.159 --> 00:42:47.119 he's signing autographs, he's doing appearances. Sure, he's doing a community 612 00:42:47.159 --> 00:42:52.960 food bank. Uh uh event those are the things that the contract hays him 613 00:42:53.039 --> 00:42:59.000 for. But you know, part of that is that he's got to maintain 614 00:42:59.079 --> 00:43:04.360 the level of visible ability as a football player, sure, so that those 615 00:43:04.400 --> 00:43:08.719 appearances have value. Right. You know, if George Mitt is our our 616 00:43:08.880 --> 00:43:14.360 our friend at it's at the sports cards place, if he's paying somebody to 617 00:43:14.400 --> 00:43:17.320 come and be at his at his shop, that guy's gotta have some visibility. 618 00:43:17.920 --> 00:43:21.039 Let's take this callee. Are you guys, Hi, you're on the 619 00:43:21.039 --> 00:43:24.119 air. This is hey Gabe. How you doing pretty good? You are 620 00:43:24.119 --> 00:43:30.280 you? Are you feeling better? Yeah? I am. I'm very happy 621 00:43:30.320 --> 00:43:37.599 that there is on a bounce back when against finally beating Oregon in their duck 622 00:43:37.519 --> 00:43:45.360 the gold Matter court. So so everything's right with Gabe. Now, yeah, 623 00:43:45.800 --> 00:43:52.360 so far, so good. The dirt dominated Bay Area schools this weekend, 624 00:43:52.519 --> 00:43:58.519 so they need to stack up wins on top of each other. So 625 00:43:59.599 --> 00:44:04.639 I just really love to see you hopefully, Kayla. I hope hopefully bos 626 00:44:04.719 --> 00:44:10.440 Well and bollow Uh think about well about what they did on Saturday and just 627 00:44:10.599 --> 00:44:16.559 think just not getting into their own minds. Just just control what you need 628 00:44:16.599 --> 00:44:22.679 to control and just find your asses off. So yeah, okay, he's 629 00:44:22.800 --> 00:44:25.480 just said and done. Gay But thanks, Yeah, I know, I 630 00:44:25.519 --> 00:44:30.159 know. Thanks go cast. Thanks you guys all doing well. Yeah, 631 00:44:30.199 --> 00:44:34.440 we're doing fine. Thank you. We're still on the air. Appreciated. 632 00:44:36.800 --> 00:44:39.480 He sounds better. He was angry last week. It was a quick call 633 00:44:39.559 --> 00:44:43.719 to he was really bad. Yeah, I don't blame I mean that was 634 00:44:43.840 --> 00:44:45.760 you know that Oregon State game was still so bad. It was well it 635 00:44:45.840 --> 00:44:50.639 was eighteen point favorite. You know whatever, you got another collar. Hi, 636 00:44:50.719 --> 00:44:55.119 you're on the air and I and the ball games, James. Hey, 637 00:44:55.159 --> 00:44:58.760 Hi, you guys doing We're doing well. Are you keeping up with 638 00:44:58.800 --> 00:45:01.400 the women's basketball team? We that was your Yeah, that's what I was 639 00:45:01.480 --> 00:45:05.320 kind of calling about. When you guys are talking about nil and stuff, 640 00:45:05.360 --> 00:45:07.960 and you know, if like if team that gets hurt, does he still 641 00:45:07.000 --> 00:45:10.440 get paid or whatever? I have a some of our question. You know, 642 00:45:10.519 --> 00:45:15.400 we had that standout Maya nausey. She's like off the team now to 643 00:45:15.440 --> 00:45:21.039 focus on academics. My question is, isn't she on an athletic scholarship? 644 00:45:21.920 --> 00:45:27.039 She was? Now if she's smart enough to go to medical school, maybe 645 00:45:27.039 --> 00:45:30.199 she's you know, that's become a you know, an academic scholarship or something 646 00:45:30.239 --> 00:45:34.840 like that. It's hard, it's hard to know what kind of an arrangement 647 00:45:34.880 --> 00:45:38.159 they make in a situation like that, but I would guess that you know, 648 00:45:38.840 --> 00:45:43.239 at some point that that's that's on. You know, she's got that 649 00:45:43.280 --> 00:45:46.679 in mind when she does whatever whatever she did. Yeah, it's just unfortunately 650 00:45:46.679 --> 00:45:50.840 she took you know, a sports scholarship and now she's not using it, 651 00:45:50.880 --> 00:45:54.119 and you know, my you know, idea could have potentially recruited another person. 652 00:45:54.199 --> 00:45:57.639 Now we're down to seven people with all the injuries. But do we 653 00:45:57.679 --> 00:46:00.559 know that for a fact that she is on an athletic scholarship? She was, 654 00:46:00.639 --> 00:46:04.280 I mean, she obviously was. Whether she still is that that we 655 00:46:04.360 --> 00:46:07.199 don't know. I guess maybe we just haven't asked, right, right, 656 00:46:07.320 --> 00:46:08.639 I mean, maybe if we ask it you, Okay, what happened to 657 00:46:09.039 --> 00:46:14.000 my Nagy scholarship? That might be a question, you know, but I 658 00:46:14.199 --> 00:46:15.239 don't James, I don't have an answer for you on that. We I 659 00:46:15.239 --> 00:46:21.559 don't think any of us know specifically specifically what what happens there if there's an 660 00:46:21.599 --> 00:46:27.239 available scholarship athletic scholarship now, because my energy is no longer with the team, 661 00:46:27.760 --> 00:46:30.440 but it is at I was at the game on on Sunday, and 662 00:46:30.480 --> 00:46:34.079 you know, they started off pretty decent, but unfortunately, you know, 663 00:46:34.360 --> 00:46:37.039 Stanford's deep, they have a great coach, they have a lot of stellar 664 00:46:37.079 --> 00:46:39.360 athletes on the team. It just unfortunately, you of eights just couldn't compete. 665 00:46:39.679 --> 00:46:44.000 Yeah, yeah, what do you hope for rit By? They're they're 666 00:46:44.039 --> 00:46:45.880 eleven and ten right now, three and six in the conference. What are 667 00:46:45.880 --> 00:46:51.239 you hoping for? I'm hoping for an n I T and hopefully these players 668 00:46:51.280 --> 00:46:55.559 can gel together and build up some uh chemistry and go forward to next year 669 00:46:55.559 --> 00:47:00.559 and hopefully have a better squad next year and put a good, good season 670 00:47:00.559 --> 00:47:04.360 together in the Big twelve. James, I'm gonna ask you a slanted question 671 00:47:04.719 --> 00:47:07.519 because you do you do follow the girls the women's team. Do you think, 672 00:47:07.599 --> 00:47:12.119 and this is this is a tough question, do you think that Ada 673 00:47:12.159 --> 00:47:15.920 will get them back to that level she had them at a couple three years 674 00:47:15.920 --> 00:47:22.360 ago. I think she can. It just obviously comes down to you know, 675 00:47:22.039 --> 00:47:25.239 Harry McDonald's who was an awesome athlete. She's gonna have to find something 676 00:47:25.280 --> 00:47:30.519 similar to that, like a Kate Reese or or not Kate Reese, that 677 00:47:30.599 --> 00:47:34.400 other girl from Iowa that's really good. You have to have stand out altum 678 00:47:34.519 --> 00:47:37.199 athletes, just like in the men's you have to have some good players. 679 00:47:37.199 --> 00:47:40.159 And I think the nil kind of took its toll on the team last year 680 00:47:40.199 --> 00:47:44.280 and not getting enough playing time. I think she's learning and I think she 681 00:47:44.320 --> 00:47:49.679 can get us back to the tournament runs. Okay, well that's fair enough, 682 00:47:49.760 --> 00:47:52.039 that's good enough. Okay, James, thanks for calling, man, 683 00:47:52.039 --> 00:47:55.039 thanks for listening. Appreciate it. Right, we've got about five minutes left. 684 00:47:55.119 --> 00:47:58.960 We can get another call or two. Yep, no problem, Yep. 685 00:48:00.960 --> 00:48:04.840 It just throws such a hope. It makes everything such a whole different 686 00:48:04.880 --> 00:48:08.519 picture. Uh and I can't you know, I've been listening to a whole 687 00:48:08.519 --> 00:48:12.480 bunch of stuff about you know, all this, you know, the Congress 688 00:48:12.559 --> 00:48:15.599 is involved, and you know, are the athletes going to become employees? 689 00:48:15.639 --> 00:48:19.320 And it's like, and I get it, there are laws in this country 690 00:48:19.400 --> 00:48:23.199 that say, you know, if you're you know, if you're that's just 691 00:48:23.280 --> 00:48:27.519 if you're an athlete, and and a college is making a whole bunch of 692 00:48:27.519 --> 00:48:31.599 money because of what you're doing, that you should be compensated for that. 693 00:48:31.639 --> 00:48:37.400 Somehow I get that. But with with where things are, I feel like 694 00:48:37.519 --> 00:48:39.639 just where things are headed, like I said, all of a sudden, 695 00:48:39.679 --> 00:48:43.599 you know, our college is just going to be minor league sports, which 696 00:48:43.639 --> 00:48:46.159 they have been. Right now we're talking about you know, you're you're paying 697 00:48:46.159 --> 00:48:50.719 them, you're signing contracts with them, and how are these how are these 698 00:48:50.760 --> 00:48:52.599 programs going to serve? How is the Division III program? Yeah? Because 699 00:48:53.880 --> 00:49:00.320 so Jay, there was a major, major deficit, right major. I'm 700 00:49:00.360 --> 00:49:02.239 sure that other schools are like this, not to maybe this degree, or 701 00:49:02.239 --> 00:49:06.559 at least they hasn't come out publicly. How are the schools going to pay 702 00:49:06.599 --> 00:49:08.960 the kids when they themselves don't have enough to put the light keep legs? 703 00:49:09.079 --> 00:49:13.000 See that? And that's what worries me, Steve, is that is that 704 00:49:13.000 --> 00:49:16.480 what it just worries me I'm you know, thinking of the worst possible scenario 705 00:49:16.519 --> 00:49:20.719 is that at some point there's only going to be a handful of schools who 706 00:49:20.719 --> 00:49:23.679 can afford to have sports. And so where do all these kids who are 707 00:49:23.920 --> 00:49:29.719 growing up playing high school sports go? Right? If once they get to 708 00:49:29.800 --> 00:49:34.760 college, the law says, there has to be money to pay you you 709 00:49:34.800 --> 00:49:38.639 know, how many how many athletic programs across the country can afford to do 710 00:49:38.679 --> 00:49:40.639 that? Right? Right? So let me just say this because I said 711 00:49:40.639 --> 00:49:44.519 this off the era I think is for the start the stary of the story. 712 00:49:45.000 --> 00:49:49.639 Talk to Arnold, who's the the the A board guy, and he 713 00:49:49.679 --> 00:49:53.039 says, he said that the whole athletic model is just flipped upside down over 714 00:49:53.079 --> 00:49:57.280 the last four or four or five years. Right, they're going to try 715 00:49:57.320 --> 00:50:01.039 to modernize athletic operations from the ground up. Yeah, but how so what 716 00:50:01.039 --> 00:50:06.320 does that mean? How and does every you know, I mean, it 717 00:50:06.400 --> 00:50:10.239 has to be the entire all of n C double A athletics. You have 718 00:50:10.320 --> 00:50:15.480 to go through that. And why would Alabama change what it's doing? Right, 719 00:50:15.639 --> 00:50:19.159 They're not going to Arizona is not a lone ranger in this wor right, 720 00:50:19.199 --> 00:50:22.039 No, they're not. But but what I'm concerned is that the programs 721 00:50:22.079 --> 00:50:24.079 like Arizona they're just hanging I don't want to say just hanging on, but 722 00:50:24.119 --> 00:50:28.239 are kind of in the middle of the road. And if you know, 723 00:50:28.320 --> 00:50:31.360 if they can't afford to do this, are we left with thirty schools who 724 00:50:31.400 --> 00:50:37.119 can play football and raise the money necessary? Is that? It is that 725 00:50:37.159 --> 00:50:39.360 all we're gonna have for college sports? Sure, And who's going to determine 726 00:50:39.360 --> 00:50:44.719 that, Well, it's gonna be determined by who can who's the financials and 727 00:50:44.840 --> 00:50:47.079 financials, who can who can handle the financials, who can who can get 728 00:50:47.079 --> 00:50:52.039 one hundred thousand people into their stadium to allow them to fund But even in 729 00:50:52.079 --> 00:50:58.519 Alabama or Georgia or in Ohio state state's got sixty sports, they're not gonna 730 00:50:58.519 --> 00:51:00.119 able to keep How are they gonna able to kee pull sixty sports if they 731 00:51:00.159 --> 00:51:04.000 have to pay them all? Yeah, And that's what worries me is that 732 00:51:04.079 --> 00:51:09.440 who has sixty six state sixty teams? Six zero six zero teams? Really 733 00:51:09.480 --> 00:51:14.119 that's three times more than they've got. Dude, they have what kind of 734 00:51:14.159 --> 00:51:17.519 teams? They've got? Every pig pong teams, you know, bad men? 735 00:51:17.639 --> 00:51:22.159 Who who the hell know? Sixty teams. Holy crap, I would 736 00:51:22.159 --> 00:51:23.599 that's a shocked to me. Everyone has twenty one? I think it is 737 00:51:23.880 --> 00:51:28.519 just took on the triathlon and some of the other ones. Yeah, so 738 00:51:28.559 --> 00:51:30.280 some of the some of the men's sports that Ohio State has that aren't, 739 00:51:30.320 --> 00:51:32.800 you know, part of the Big Four. For example, out the Spirit 740 00:51:32.880 --> 00:51:38.000 program, we got obviously tennis, lacrosse, haka. I heard it wrong. 741 00:51:38.719 --> 00:51:42.840 It's thirty six thirty sixties, but still it's almost twice as many. 742 00:51:42.960 --> 00:51:46.280 Yeah it's thirty six, but still, how do you do that? Who's 743 00:51:46.280 --> 00:51:52.559 going to pay the rifle team? And alright, they might have to no, 744 00:51:52.639 --> 00:51:55.360 but we talked about and then guess what the TV revenue is going to 745 00:51:55.400 --> 00:51:58.840 be. It is what it is, and eventually they're gonna say we don't 746 00:51:58.840 --> 00:52:01.440 have any money either, right at some point that runs out. It just 747 00:52:01.519 --> 00:52:06.679 it just worries me with all that's happening. And again it's it's all about 748 00:52:07.360 --> 00:52:08.960 you know, this is America, and there's a law, and there are 749 00:52:09.039 --> 00:52:14.119 laws that say you do this, you get this, you know, I 750 00:52:14.199 --> 00:52:19.760 get it. But how somewhere along the line, there's gonna have to be 751 00:52:19.800 --> 00:52:22.840 an exception to that, so that all these all these programs can survive, 752 00:52:22.880 --> 00:52:25.039 and I don't know if anybody's willing to do that, and it just it 753 00:52:25.119 --> 00:52:28.920 worries the hell out of me. And maybe none of this will happen before 754 00:52:28.920 --> 00:52:32.599 I kick so maybe it won't even matter. But it's it's not to you't 755 00:52:32.639 --> 00:52:36.079 matter to me, It'll matter to my kids. All right, let's get 756 00:52:36.119 --> 00:52:37.599 the heck out here. Thanks for being here very well. Thank you for 757 00:52:37.639 --> 00:52:40.119 being here, Brian Peterson, Thank you for being here. We'll be back 758 00:52:40.119 --> 00:52:49.039 tomorrow more great guess, so be sure to come back