WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.040 --> 00:00:28.719 M it is video games. Super Tuesday here on the Giant Bomb cast is 2 00:00:28.960 --> 00:00:34.200 uh Tuesday, November tenth, fifteen. I'm casting my vote, yeah for 3 00:00:34.359 --> 00:00:37.320 video games. Oh, you might have to get more specific than that. 4 00:00:37.399 --> 00:00:40.560 I'm walking in the booth and there are two switches I can pull. One 5 00:00:40.600 --> 00:00:44.359 says video games. Are you gonna vote for Lara Croft? No? First 6 00:00:44.359 --> 00:00:48.719 woman president? Noting No, Well maybe when you put it that way, 7 00:00:48.719 --> 00:00:53.000 maybe I don't know. Jeff Gersman is here. Hello, Dan Ryker is 8 00:00:53.039 --> 00:00:55.320 here. I'd vote for her as president? Have you ever voted before? 9 00:00:55.600 --> 00:00:59.159 Yeah? For anything? Yeah? Okay, presidential election. You've already surpassed 10 00:00:59.200 --> 00:01:02.600 my expected yeah, waiting line. I want to like in the freezing cold 11 00:01:02.640 --> 00:01:10.480 Minnesota, they let anybody vote. Let anybody in here these days think so 12 00:01:10.599 --> 00:01:18.439 yeah. Even Starve, stage and screen noted author, famed philanthropists wreck on 13 00:01:18.519 --> 00:01:22.719 tour. David E. Lang is here. How are you doing? I 14 00:01:22.719 --> 00:01:29.040 don't even know it's Jay, but it's docks Docks right away, I figured 15 00:01:29.040 --> 00:01:32.959 e sounded esteemed. We had Vinyaki on last time I got him to say 16 00:01:32.959 --> 00:01:34.200 his middle name out loud, which last time we talked to him about it 17 00:01:34.239 --> 00:01:37.840 years ago, he was like super evasive. Yeah, what was it? 18 00:01:38.400 --> 00:01:41.920 It's Gallagher. Yeah, he's not a fan of his middle wave Yeah no, 19 00:01:42.239 --> 00:01:46.200 yeah, no, yeah. Actually, after after the humorous comedian slash 20 00:01:46.319 --> 00:01:49.280 destructor of waters Out, they were like they were big fans. Really you're 21 00:01:49.280 --> 00:01:53.000 actually serious? Yeah wow, No, Okay, I don't know, dude, 22 00:01:53.000 --> 00:01:57.040 he was born in slash. There's like, honestly there, I don't. 23 00:01:57.200 --> 00:01:59.920 I can't. There aren't a lot of things you can tell me about 24 00:02:00.159 --> 00:02:04.400 Johnny that's true that I wouldn't at least think about, believe, at least 25 00:02:04.400 --> 00:02:10.599 consider. Yes, that sure anyway, Dave Lang, you're here, Yes, 26 00:02:10.680 --> 00:02:15.599 you're fresh off of the airplane. Yeah, I just landed like an 27 00:02:15.599 --> 00:02:17.560 two hour and a half. Yeah, and fresh off of staying up all 28 00:02:17.639 --> 00:02:21.199 night before that, almost all night. I didn't quite make it. No, 29 00:02:21.879 --> 00:02:23.639 So I signed up originally for the twenty four hour shift, and I 30 00:02:23.680 --> 00:02:27.360 realized I can't do twenty four because I have to get on it. So 31 00:02:27.400 --> 00:02:30.800 my flight this morning was ten fifty and the ten hour shift would take me 32 00:02:30.840 --> 00:02:32.520 to ten am, So like, okay, I gotta stop at seven. 33 00:02:32.560 --> 00:02:36.680 So twenty one hour shift now. I start my stream yesterday, set the 34 00:02:36.719 --> 00:02:39.439 clock for twenty one, and I realized, Oh wait, I need at 35 00:02:39.479 --> 00:02:43.199 least a couple hours of sleep. I'm gonna pass out and die driving to 36 00:02:43.240 --> 00:02:46.599 the airport. Oh right, lack of lack of sleep is bad for the 37 00:02:46.599 --> 00:02:49.120 heart. So I punched out after nineteen hours. But I still feel pretty 38 00:02:49.120 --> 00:02:51.639 good about it. We raised a lot of money. Yeah, yeah, 39 00:02:52.000 --> 00:02:54.719 it sounds like everything went well. I caught the very beginning. The beginning 40 00:02:54.800 --> 00:02:58.759 was rough. Of the stream beginning was rough. I tuned in off and 41 00:02:58.800 --> 00:03:00.599 on. I saw some trials. Yeah, trials is good, a lot 42 00:03:00.599 --> 00:03:04.479 of until dawn, I think, in order it would started off with Destiny 43 00:03:04.520 --> 00:03:07.000 with Adam, which was garbage because my Xbox One was trying to download FIFA 44 00:03:07.000 --> 00:03:10.319 at the same time. I thought like upload and download are independent. Wait, 45 00:03:12.439 --> 00:03:15.000 if you're playing Destiny on the Xbox No, no, we're playing on 46 00:03:15.039 --> 00:03:17.039 PS four. Okay, we just talk about talking about the internet. Yeah, 47 00:03:17.039 --> 00:03:21.159 I had my Xbox downloading FIFA because I thought like upload and download were 48 00:03:21.159 --> 00:03:23.400 independent. Right, It turns out they're not. When you got fucking bullshit 49 00:03:23.479 --> 00:03:30.400 Comcast excuse my language, Comcast, Chicago Comcast, Chicago Comcast, And so 50 00:03:30.439 --> 00:03:31.560 that didn't work out so well. But the min I turned off my Xbox. 51 00:03:31.560 --> 00:03:35.159 Everything was fine and then the stream resumed normal. We were good. 52 00:03:35.639 --> 00:03:39.759 Then we did that, did some Spelunky was awful, a Splunky, did 53 00:03:40.039 --> 00:03:46.960 Capsule Force, did N plus plus, did Trials where I discovered that DLC 54 00:03:46.120 --> 00:03:50.759 where you can be a unicorn that breathes fire with a cat with the lou 55 00:03:50.879 --> 00:03:53.400 Kang banana with a golden gun. Yeah, oh my god, that's the 56 00:03:53.400 --> 00:03:55.879 best deal. Season didn't shoot the gun, can't shoot, the gun doesn't 57 00:03:55.919 --> 00:03:59.719 pop off. I was hitting every button. Yeah, every sat I just 58 00:03:59.719 --> 00:04:01.240 got a way to shoot. I kept resetting my run. Yeah. That 59 00:04:01.240 --> 00:04:05.080 was disappointing, but it was still pretty awesome. It's fusion DALC right, 60 00:04:05.240 --> 00:04:09.159 yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's the best nine nine ever spent 61 00:04:09.479 --> 00:04:12.039 without it out without a doubt. We messed with that a little bit. 62 00:04:12.199 --> 00:04:14.759 It's it seems like they're trying to tell a story with that thing. I 63 00:04:15.000 --> 00:04:16.480 don't know about anything. Yeah, so you play the but I don't know. 64 00:04:16.519 --> 00:04:18.360 Those guys are crazy, Like did you see the thing like that. 65 00:04:18.600 --> 00:04:20.600 They've got all the hidden stuff in the game. That's like people are gonna 66 00:04:20.600 --> 00:04:24.199 have to find keys and wait one hundred years in real life. And yeah, 67 00:04:24.199 --> 00:04:28.560 the secrets of Trials HD. Yeah, the insane fucking arg stuff they've 68 00:04:28.600 --> 00:04:30.519 done, like it's nonsense. All I know is I bodied all brands times 69 00:04:30.519 --> 00:04:34.399 and yeah I only played through all those courses once. It showed for the 70 00:04:34.439 --> 00:04:38.319 quick look, Yeah it showed, but okay, I'll take that. It's 71 00:04:38.399 --> 00:04:41.839 valid criticism. Then did Until Dawn? Yeah? Did you play through the 72 00:04:41.839 --> 00:04:44.399 whole thing? Through the whole thing in one sitting? Okay, tune out 73 00:04:44.399 --> 00:04:46.519 because I hadn't finished it yet. I love Until Dawn. Yeah, oh 74 00:04:46.560 --> 00:04:51.600 my god is that game. I feel like that's like a like a sleeper 75 00:04:51.720 --> 00:04:55.600 slash breakout hit for the year. Yeah, it was amazing. I feel 76 00:04:55.600 --> 00:04:57.759 like I think kind of came out of nowhere. Is it short? You 77 00:04:57.800 --> 00:05:00.199 said you did it all one sitting? It was like seven hours seven okay, 78 00:05:00.360 --> 00:05:03.240 but it's completely different every time? So is it like I have yourrain 79 00:05:03.319 --> 00:05:08.800 situation? It's like more so. Really my understanding is that any one of 80 00:05:08.800 --> 00:05:12.720 those kids can die, but every one of them can live, if that 81 00:05:12.759 --> 00:05:15.879 makes sense, Like it's like unless unless I've been misinformed, like the who 82 00:05:15.879 --> 00:05:18.720 lives and dies can be completely different. Yeah, there there are a couple 83 00:05:18.879 --> 00:05:21.519 like the one play through the next I know without without like kind of getting 84 00:05:21.519 --> 00:05:25.639 into all the there's some there's something. There's the beginning characters I think have 85 00:05:25.680 --> 00:05:29.399 to go away, yeahitorial stuff, because that's everyone else. I think they 86 00:05:29.399 --> 00:05:31.040 can all live or all die. Yeah, paying on the outcome, I 87 00:05:31.079 --> 00:05:35.519 was pretty bummed out because I like, I didn't really know, uh like 88 00:05:35.560 --> 00:05:38.639 what the hard parts of the game works. I didn't know anything about it. 89 00:05:38.800 --> 00:05:42.240 And I actually like, there's this character Jess who you have to go 90 00:05:42.319 --> 00:05:46.720 through like twenty quick time events in a row to like save really in the 91 00:05:46.720 --> 00:05:47.920 middle of the game, is that how the machinery works in that game? 92 00:05:47.959 --> 00:05:50.759 It's like a bunch of bullshit. It's one of the men, like you 93 00:05:50.800 --> 00:05:54.319 have to do all this stuff perfectly for somebody to live. Well, that's 94 00:05:54.360 --> 00:05:56.519 I think. I think she is a hard one to say, Okay, 95 00:05:56.600 --> 00:05:59.680 and so not every character is like is she the blond She there's like three 96 00:05:59.720 --> 00:06:01.759 blinds, she's one of them. Of course she's Mike's girlfriends. Yes, 97 00:06:01.839 --> 00:06:04.800 yes, she's the first one that died when I played. Yeah, and 98 00:06:05.079 --> 00:06:08.959 uh so that's what She's almost impossible to save there, there's like one way 99 00:06:08.959 --> 00:06:11.279 to save her, one way or only I just got lucky and picked everything. 100 00:06:11.360 --> 00:06:13.199 Really, like I went left when you should have went left. I 101 00:06:13.199 --> 00:06:15.720 got the quick time event right, and then I just she died at the 102 00:06:15.800 --> 00:06:18.639 very end. Anyway, I screwed something. I was so dumb, so 103 00:06:18.680 --> 00:06:21.879 I was pretty mad about that. I only end up saving I like everybody 104 00:06:21.920 --> 00:06:26.480 alive going to the last hour, and then I only walked away with three 105 00:06:26.519 --> 00:06:29.480 people surviving. It was a It was a cruel end of man. That's 106 00:06:29.519 --> 00:06:30.920 rough. Yeah. Yeah, when I I got like two thirds the way 107 00:06:30.920 --> 00:06:33.839 through the game and then I handed the disc off to Jason and didn't get 108 00:06:33.879 --> 00:06:38.560 back to it. But yeah, like I my group was dwindling by that 109 00:06:38.639 --> 00:06:41.519 point. I had like three people left for four people. It's not the 110 00:06:41.519 --> 00:06:45.959 mass effects suicide mission you hoped for. No, not exactly. Yeah. 111 00:06:46.199 --> 00:06:48.800 Uh. Then we played a bunch of Steam stuff. Uh did Door Kickers, 112 00:06:49.079 --> 00:06:55.319 which is godlike. Uh did some dive Kick Ruck Fools Online and dive 113 00:06:55.399 --> 00:07:00.480 Kick did. This is where my mind starts getting wonky. Uh. I 114 00:07:00.519 --> 00:07:01.879 know. I played more Steam games, can't remember singing one of them now. 115 00:07:02.480 --> 00:07:08.199 Then played some Rise multip pretty typical Steam experience, I think, uh 116 00:07:08.439 --> 00:07:12.879 Rise multiplayer on Xbox One, and then tapped out Wow, Rise, that's 117 00:07:12.920 --> 00:07:16.519 fun. You guys ever done it just just even had probably around launch, 118 00:07:16.680 --> 00:07:20.079 just enough to do the review, which was like two matches or matches. 119 00:07:20.079 --> 00:07:24.000 It's really cool. Yeah, it's basically like Arenas. It's like you and 120 00:07:24.040 --> 00:07:28.399 a friend, oh right, we did play something. It's like horror mode 121 00:07:28.399 --> 00:07:30.800 with objectives like you have to go set this camp on fire. Wait a 122 00:07:30.800 --> 00:07:35.360 minute, are you team Rise? My team Rise? Mean like in that 123 00:07:35.399 --> 00:07:38.959 you don't hate Rise? I love Rise really like Rise is great. I 124 00:07:38.959 --> 00:07:41.120 think Rise is okay, yeah, Rise. I get a lot of shit 125 00:07:41.160 --> 00:07:44.399 about that around here, like it's really cool. I mean it's a game 126 00:07:44.439 --> 00:07:46.360 with just frames in it. If you got just frames in your game, 127 00:07:46.759 --> 00:07:50.839 there's like there's could only be so bad, right, okay, so yeah, 128 00:07:50.839 --> 00:07:55.560 it's got combat system is amazing. It's like pretty good. Yeah, 129 00:07:55.879 --> 00:07:58.240 I mean it had its problems, super sure, it's not it's not an 130 00:07:58.240 --> 00:08:00.959 amazing game, but it's not a bad great was great launch title? Yeah 131 00:08:01.199 --> 00:08:05.040 yeah, stand by Capital G great? Dan, Dan looking at me incredulously. 132 00:08:05.160 --> 00:08:07.480 I hated that game. I'm gonna say it. It looked Capital G 133 00:08:07.720 --> 00:08:11.439 great, but playing it was Capital P poor. You know, different strokes 134 00:08:11.480 --> 00:08:16.000 for different folks. I guess yes, we should probably point out that this 135 00:08:15.920 --> 00:08:18.879 was for Extra Life. I don't believe those words have been uttered since you 136 00:08:18.000 --> 00:08:20.560 came on here, but see Extra Life. This was Extra Life Weekend. 137 00:08:20.639 --> 00:08:24.519 Yeah we did, Okay, we did. Uh. I was trying to 138 00:08:24.519 --> 00:08:26.560 come up with new ways to get I played a lot of FTL two. 139 00:08:26.720 --> 00:08:30.040 I was trying to come up with ways to get people to donate ups. 140 00:08:30.040 --> 00:08:31.919 At one. I saw some of those pushing club Push Up Club. So 141 00:08:31.960 --> 00:08:35.960 the rule was when I yell push Up Club, I drop and do fifteen 142 00:08:37.000 --> 00:08:39.600 good ones, talking like ninety degree bend and the almost yeah. And then 143 00:08:39.639 --> 00:08:43.879 you have a choice as a viewer. You can either drop and give me 144 00:08:43.960 --> 00:08:48.960 fifteen or kick in fifteen. But there's no there's no freeloaders on the stream. 145 00:08:48.440 --> 00:08:52.679 Either the kids are getting paid or you're getting healthy. That's the way 146 00:08:52.679 --> 00:08:54.399 it works. Man. Do you think anyone cheated? I'm sure a hundred 147 00:08:54.440 --> 00:08:58.000 people on a lot of people cheat. But I also did see donations coming 148 00:08:58.039 --> 00:09:01.200 in fifteen push take push up club. Now he had set up club. 149 00:09:01.480 --> 00:09:05.039 Set Up Club was twenty and I was gonna go to squat club and squat 150 00:09:05.039 --> 00:09:09.360 Club was gonna be sets of thirty three. But I was too tired to 151 00:09:09.399 --> 00:09:11.039 do squat club at three in the morning, a squat rack in your room 152 00:09:11.120 --> 00:09:13.759 or no, no, just like standing, okay, proper form and all 153 00:09:13.919 --> 00:09:16.960 right. But yeah that was good. A lot of people tweeting at me 154 00:09:18.000 --> 00:09:20.279 this morning. Their arms were tired, you know, they haven't done that 155 00:09:20.360 --> 00:09:22.679 much exercise in years. Yeah that was good. But yeah, no, 156 00:09:22.840 --> 00:09:26.679 it worked out really well. Like every time I did that gimmick, people 157 00:09:26.720 --> 00:09:31.240 started kicking in fifteen or twenty bucks. So nice dummies. That's for a 158 00:09:31.279 --> 00:09:33.840 good cause. But the kids, you can't knock it. It's I like 159 00:09:33.840 --> 00:09:39.080 tricking people to give anyone money. That's the bottom at the end. I 160 00:09:39.080 --> 00:09:41.000 mean, it's great, it's a charity. It's going into your pocket. 161 00:09:41.120 --> 00:09:43.799 That's great. If it's it's great it's for a charity, this time duping 162 00:09:43.799 --> 00:09:46.919 people out of their money as a passion of viewer. You gotta love it. 163 00:09:46.960 --> 00:09:48.600 Yeah, when went in doubt right, I mean one ceo, yes, 164 00:09:48.679 --> 00:09:54.799 indeed it takes a sip of his drink. But yeah, it was 165 00:09:54.879 --> 00:09:58.519 extra life weekend. We did dured twelve hours stint here in the studio on 166 00:09:58.519 --> 00:10:01.120 Friday. Austin did an overnight, Vinnie did an overnight. Jason and his 167 00:10:01.120 --> 00:10:05.039 wife did an overnight Yeah. Yeah, Drew and Alexis did a full twenty 168 00:10:05.080 --> 00:10:09.440 four Yeah, and then Dave. You can tell his kid it's catching up 169 00:10:09.440 --> 00:10:11.960 with Drew. Yeah. As the years go on, it's getting harder harder 170 00:10:11.039 --> 00:10:13.440 for Drew. Yeah, he's gonna get there. Last year was my wall. 171 00:10:13.559 --> 00:10:16.200 Last year was when I was like, I don't know if I could 172 00:10:16.200 --> 00:10:18.600 do this anymore. That said, there might be some more extra life on 173 00:10:18.600 --> 00:10:22.519 the way. I'm not sure yet. I've been talking talking about maybe a 174 00:10:22.519 --> 00:10:24.759 little bit of it. You can't say that out loud and then say you're 175 00:10:24.799 --> 00:10:28.080 not sure yet. If you if you're saying that, you're you're probably gonna 176 00:10:28.120 --> 00:10:31.080 do. I already said it in the chat in the Lang's chat yesterday, 177 00:10:31.120 --> 00:10:33.039 so the idea is already out there, all right. That's what they sucked. 178 00:10:33.080 --> 00:10:35.480 Like. I was playing until dawn, which was like at least a 179 00:10:35.559 --> 00:10:39.240 third of my entire stream. I was trying to not look at the chat 180 00:10:39.840 --> 00:10:41.639 because I don't want people saying things like like early on I saw like, 181 00:10:43.440 --> 00:10:46.039 uh, people saw about get monked. Get monked. Yeah, I had 182 00:10:46.039 --> 00:10:48.399 no idea what that was. I thought that was like new slang for Mrked. 183 00:10:50.279 --> 00:10:52.000 I thought that's like, oh, that's absolutely that now it is. 184 00:10:52.120 --> 00:10:56.720 Yeah, but so that would Actually the monk thing happened the game I lost 185 00:10:56.799 --> 00:10:58.519 my ship. It was the funniest thing I've ever seen. Then this, 186 00:10:58.639 --> 00:11:01.960 Yeah, we play donating four twenties said get munked, get mumks to get 187 00:11:03.000 --> 00:11:05.600 monked. It was amazing. Yeah, it was really good. I know 188 00:11:05.639 --> 00:11:07.960 what moment you're talking about. That is pretty funny. Yeah. Yeah, 189 00:11:09.200 --> 00:11:11.279 it was a good weekend. A lot of a lot of charity dollars were 190 00:11:11.320 --> 00:11:16.039 raised. Yeah, we know what the total was the kids the Giant Bomb 191 00:11:16.080 --> 00:11:18.159 team going out with to bed is like one sixty two, Yeah it was. 192 00:11:18.159 --> 00:11:20.200 It was in the one sixties. Yeah, yeah, which was a 193 00:11:20.240 --> 00:11:24.159 pretty solid number. I'd like to think. Yeah for the kids. I 194 00:11:24.240 --> 00:11:28.200 hit a cask all this morning. I DMed him. So like last year 195 00:11:28.240 --> 00:11:33.320 we got we did an ig with Patrick, we got nineteen k in and 196 00:11:33.639 --> 00:11:35.120 I think I beat that this year. Wow, which is all I wanted 197 00:11:35.159 --> 00:11:37.440 to do with yourself? Yeah, well, I think think about it. 198 00:11:37.519 --> 00:11:41.320 Right, you get rid of all the Iron Galaxy dead weight, right, 199 00:11:41.320 --> 00:11:43.679 oh yeah, you get rid of Patrick and his dog costumes and crap like 200 00:11:43.759 --> 00:11:48.000 that. You just get the main traction in camera all the time. Yeah, 201 00:11:48.240 --> 00:11:50.480 the money comes in, people are just throwing it at the screen at 202 00:11:50.519 --> 00:11:54.919 that point, I'm pretty sure I beat nineteen by l confirmation. I'm pretty 203 00:11:54.960 --> 00:11:58.519 sure. So we'll see you did well for sure. And now you're here. 204 00:11:58.559 --> 00:12:01.440 What a here? Yeah, it was a good time on no sleep 205 00:12:03.799 --> 00:12:05.159 something the plane. Yeah, fine, that's good. It's a game day. 206 00:12:05.240 --> 00:12:07.799 Yeah. What do we do on game day? Brand We play? 207 00:12:07.840 --> 00:12:13.200 We lace them up and play. Okay, good to know, thanks coach 208 00:12:13.559 --> 00:12:18.240 Jeff. Hey, hi, you had another marathon of sorts of your own 209 00:12:18.279 --> 00:12:22.600 overture. Yeah, yeah, something like that. It's been a weird run 210 00:12:22.639 --> 00:12:26.320 here for a bit, but that's I mean, review season is always kind 211 00:12:26.320 --> 00:12:30.039 of that way, but it was this weird run of like Halo and Need 212 00:12:30.080 --> 00:12:35.360 for Speed and then some Black Ops three happened on both sides of those reviews, 213 00:12:35.639 --> 00:12:39.720 and then basically like I was playing Need for Speed with a copy of 214 00:12:39.759 --> 00:12:43.919 Fallout in hand and needed to get through that before I could kind of move 215 00:12:43.960 --> 00:12:48.759 on. How did that feel? Fine? Yeah? Yeah, you know, 216 00:12:48.799 --> 00:12:52.159 we're like dying to get the cars out of your face. I mean 217 00:12:52.519 --> 00:12:56.399 for totally different reasons, like Need for Speed as issues, and those were 218 00:12:56.480 --> 00:12:58.639 frustrating but like, you know, moving on to fall Out, you know, 219 00:12:58.639 --> 00:13:01.879 it wasn't a situation where I'm just like, oh god, you know 220 00:13:01.000 --> 00:13:05.120 it's it's you have to you have to approach things in some kind of even 221 00:13:05.159 --> 00:13:11.200 measure or else you will go insane. Sure, that said, I pretty 222 00:13:11.279 --> 00:13:15.159 much played Fallout all weekend and finished it at like eleven o'clock on Sunday night. 223 00:13:15.879 --> 00:13:16.879 Well, I was gonna ask how many hours you would estimate you put 224 00:13:16.919 --> 00:13:20.279 in, but you probably could just tell me it's the game save when. 225 00:13:20.440 --> 00:13:24.840 Yeah, the saves, your hard saves have an hour count on them, 226 00:13:24.639 --> 00:13:30.240 and I want to say it was a little bit under forty just this weekend. 227 00:13:30.440 --> 00:13:31.600 No, that's a total, that's total, okay, And that's taking 228 00:13:31.600 --> 00:13:35.120 your time, right, you're that mainlining story anything. I did a lot 229 00:13:35.159 --> 00:13:37.720 of the side stuff, Like I got most of the trophies in that game 230 00:13:37.840 --> 00:13:39.600 really the way which most of them are. You know, there are there 231 00:13:39.600 --> 00:13:43.120 are ones that are like find all the bobbleheads and you know, all that 232 00:13:43.159 --> 00:13:46.120 sort of stuff. But like I got one of my companions all the way 233 00:13:46.120 --> 00:13:50.320 through their kind of you know, to their top affection rating and no, 234 00:13:50.639 --> 00:13:54.480 okay, no, I don't know where about I don't know where the dog 235 00:13:54.519 --> 00:13:56.480 went. At one point I dismissed the dog, and I don't know where 236 00:13:56.480 --> 00:14:01.360 the fucking dog went. Nope. I sent back to Sanctuary Hills, which 237 00:14:01.440 --> 00:14:05.559 is where I've was established my main base of operations. It's near where you 238 00:14:05.639 --> 00:14:09.480 start the game. That's the the workshop I put all my shit into, 239 00:14:09.639 --> 00:14:11.919 and like, this is where I'm gonna This is my hub. I'm gonna 240 00:14:11.919 --> 00:14:13.679 treat this is my hub. I'm gonna send all the companions here. All 241 00:14:13.679 --> 00:14:18.080 this sort of stuff went back there. Nothing ran around that place for a 242 00:14:18.080 --> 00:14:20.480 while. No dog, I don't know where that dog is. Gotta move 243 00:14:20.519 --> 00:14:22.159 to Diamond City. You get a little porch on the roof with the doghouse. 244 00:14:22.320 --> 00:14:24.799 I don't know where the dog went. He's off, he's off growing 245 00:14:24.799 --> 00:14:30.320 another head somewhere. It's like the opposite of that Shabuoya dog or whatever. 246 00:14:30.440 --> 00:14:33.679 Yeah, I haven't seen mine in about ten hours either. I assume you 247 00:14:33.720 --> 00:14:35.759 did the same thing like you met Nick, and I was like, oh, 248 00:14:35.840 --> 00:14:39.039 okay, let's go with this guy. Uh yeah, yes. And 249 00:14:39.080 --> 00:14:43.039 then there's a quest where the dog comes back. For dogs do to do 250 00:14:43.120 --> 00:14:48.879 some dog stuff, like story dog stuff. Some dog time is required here 251 00:14:48.240 --> 00:14:52.320 and and then I rolled around the dog for a little bit longer, and 252 00:14:52.360 --> 00:14:54.960 then and then at some point I was like, well, there's this perk 253 00:14:56.039 --> 00:14:58.639 that lets you hold more if you don't have a companion, you take less 254 00:14:58.720 --> 00:15:01.360 damage. That sounds good it So I got that, and I'm like, 255 00:15:01.399 --> 00:15:03.519 okay, well I'm going to send all these things away and run around on 256 00:15:03.519 --> 00:15:07.440 my own for a while because I gotta steal some shit. But isn't that 257 00:15:07.440 --> 00:15:09.360 counterproductive, because when you have a companion, you can just unload a ton 258 00:15:09.399 --> 00:15:13.039 of shit, Like, I haven't even seen a limit. Fuck has time 259 00:15:13.559 --> 00:15:18.159 seriously manipulate the inventory of a companion. Thank you all of my weapons and 260 00:15:20.440 --> 00:15:22.559 I would rather fast travel back to base and put it in the workshop and 261 00:15:22.679 --> 00:15:26.679 not have somebody they're shooting people for you. Insane cool dude, Do you 262 00:15:26.720 --> 00:15:31.600 always use companions? And that Skyrim and Oblivion was the most I've ever used 263 00:15:31.600 --> 00:15:35.360 one. Yeah, I've never been this one. Mainly, this was the 264 00:15:35.360 --> 00:15:37.759 most I've ever used one, But I never I never gave him any stuff. 265 00:15:37.799 --> 00:15:39.399 It's like, I think it's infinite storage. Face. There's no numbers 266 00:15:39.480 --> 00:15:43.159 or whatever on his like trade screen that I saw. At some point I 267 00:15:43.200 --> 00:15:46.360 was like, I didn't want to manipulate that, like I'm gonna do that 268 00:15:46.399 --> 00:15:48.919 inventory thing. I'm gonna do it where I'm eventually gonna put it and not 269 00:15:50.039 --> 00:15:52.000 have to take it all back from him and then deposit it, because it's 270 00:15:52.000 --> 00:15:56.000 not like that's a smooth, one step process when you get back to basse. 271 00:15:56.320 --> 00:15:58.200 Yeah, it's better than having to like constantly drop ship though I never 272 00:15:58.279 --> 00:16:02.559 dropped a thing really, yeah, man, I'm constantly at like my absolute 273 00:16:02.600 --> 00:16:03.799 limit. Yeah. No. I I got to a point though where I 274 00:16:03.799 --> 00:16:07.080 stopped picking up a lot of stuff because you just don't need it. So 275 00:16:07.120 --> 00:16:08.960 are you not picking up stuff for like building materials or you know when you 276 00:16:10.000 --> 00:16:11.120 see like a fan, you're not like, oh there's a screw in there. 277 00:16:11.240 --> 00:16:15.200 There are certain items that I picked up every single one I could find 278 00:16:15.279 --> 00:16:19.519 because it seemed like they had components though, like every microscope I could steal 279 00:16:19.639 --> 00:16:23.679 though, which is like like my creepy uncle who was since passed away, 280 00:16:23.759 --> 00:16:26.559 had a thing for optics, and I felt like him running around the fucking 281 00:16:26.600 --> 00:16:30.759 waist on going oh look these fine optics. Take this and yeah this is 282 00:16:30.799 --> 00:16:33.000 you know, to keep this one. Can't look through this one, it'll 283 00:16:33.080 --> 00:16:37.559 ruin it. But this one, I'm keeping that the voice in game two 284 00:16:37.600 --> 00:16:38.759 is it that same voice? No, it's not. No, that's that's 285 00:16:38.799 --> 00:16:44.960 my that's my crazy uncle. It was no longer with us. I could 286 00:16:45.279 --> 00:16:47.960 I have stories, but not, this is not the time or the place. 287 00:16:49.519 --> 00:16:52.120 So yeah, there was definitely there were definitely things that I gravitated towards, 288 00:16:52.120 --> 00:16:53.480 like, oh, I should probably get some of that because I know 289 00:16:53.519 --> 00:16:57.120 it breaks down to nuclear material. So every alarm clock I saw, are 290 00:16:57.159 --> 00:17:00.759 you saying there's nuclear material in alarm clocks? Yeah? Really, how is 291 00:17:00.759 --> 00:17:03.480 he going to keep time? That's okay, that's if not for the power 292 00:17:03.519 --> 00:17:07.480 of the atoms A good point. I haven't thought about it that way. 293 00:17:07.559 --> 00:17:11.039 Yeah, so I guess I should say that, Like, that's the thing 294 00:17:11.079 --> 00:17:14.480 they changed in this game, is they made all the trash matter because now 295 00:17:14.480 --> 00:17:17.799 it can all be broken down into components you can use to build a base. 296 00:17:17.920 --> 00:17:19.279 And it seems like the way they I am like two hours in the 297 00:17:19.319 --> 00:17:22.519 Fallout for I don't have a whole lot to say about it yet, but 298 00:17:22.519 --> 00:17:25.920 but it seems like they handle that stuff very smartly because you don't have to 299 00:17:25.960 --> 00:17:27.519 manually go break any of it down when the one thing you have to break 300 00:17:27.559 --> 00:17:32.240 down is if you need leather. Uh, it won't automatically break down armor 301 00:17:32.400 --> 00:17:33.759 because that comes out of armor. Okay, you wish you might want to 302 00:17:33.759 --> 00:17:37.759 wear yeah, point yeah, but yeah, like you want to put a 303 00:17:37.799 --> 00:17:41.039 new barrel on a pistol or build a picnic table or whatever, it will 304 00:17:41.160 --> 00:17:42.960 just break down like some of those. The only two things I built picnic 305 00:17:42.960 --> 00:17:48.200 tables and pistols stuff. Yeah, put the pistols on the tables. But 306 00:17:48.279 --> 00:17:52.119 yeah, like you yeah, it just it just automatically converts the trash you 307 00:17:52.160 --> 00:17:53.960 pick up into Yeah, so that's cool for you know, the the weapon 308 00:17:55.039 --> 00:17:56.880 upgrades, the armor upgrades, all that sort of stuff like that's that's sensible. 309 00:17:56.920 --> 00:18:02.319 You're like, I want to put a stock on this, and you're 310 00:18:02.359 --> 00:18:03.960 turning pistols into rifles and stuff like that. You're like, Okay, this 311 00:18:03.960 --> 00:18:07.519 has a pistol grip on it, so it calls it a pistol, But 312 00:18:07.559 --> 00:18:08.920 the minute I put a full stock on it, it just becomes a pipe 313 00:18:10.000 --> 00:18:14.400 rifle. Can you rename it on console? Yeah? Okay, but why 314 00:18:14.440 --> 00:18:17.160 would you I do that? I want to if you get really attached to 315 00:18:17.160 --> 00:18:18.200 one weapon, that's crazy. That's crazy. If I want to look at 316 00:18:18.200 --> 00:18:21.839 my inventory and see what is on this weapon. And the way to do 317 00:18:21.880 --> 00:18:23.480 that is to keep the generated name that it gets. If I had a 318 00:18:23.480 --> 00:18:26.960 full keyboard at my disposal, I might want name my weapon made. What 319 00:18:27.000 --> 00:18:30.839 if your named give me some weapon names. Oh, it's just like if 320 00:18:30.839 --> 00:18:33.400 you attached like a comfort grip to a pistol or whatever, it's like, 321 00:18:33.440 --> 00:18:36.960 oh, that's my and like a long uh what do you call it scope 322 00:18:37.039 --> 00:18:38.279 or something? It's like, oh, that's my comfy long shot. Okay, 323 00:18:38.279 --> 00:18:41.839 so I know it's comfortable and it's got a long shot. Would you 324 00:18:41.839 --> 00:18:45.559 type that in when the game will will yeah, because it'll be like tactical 325 00:18:45.759 --> 00:18:49.759 bolt action pistol. You know, that's all useful. Infant get dumb it 326 00:18:49.799 --> 00:18:55.000 down until you. I think those names are funny. They're like eight words 327 00:18:55.039 --> 00:18:56.839 long. Yeah, they do get they get longer than the UI is, 328 00:18:57.000 --> 00:19:03.160 which is pretty fucking dumb. Right. Yeah, so so whatever, Yeah, 329 00:19:03.200 --> 00:19:06.039 Yeah, the weapon upgrade system, that's that's new and that uses those 330 00:19:06.039 --> 00:19:08.839 components and that's cool. The armor same way. You know, it's like, 331 00:19:08.920 --> 00:19:11.440 hey, I want to pad this armor. I want to put some 332 00:19:11.519 --> 00:19:14.319 lead in it so that it has radiation resistance, you know, that that's 333 00:19:14.359 --> 00:19:18.359 the sort of stuff you'll be doing. And then there's the base building stuff, 334 00:19:18.400 --> 00:19:22.839 which it throws you into a tutorial pretty early on, which is kind 335 00:19:22.880 --> 00:19:26.839 of poorly put together. I feel like calling it a tutorial is a little 336 00:19:26.839 --> 00:19:27.839 generous. It's more like, hey, build this thing. I feel like 337 00:19:27.839 --> 00:19:32.799 they barely tell you which buttons to hit to bring up the building interface, 338 00:19:32.839 --> 00:19:33.799 and then they're just like, all right, build and I was I was 339 00:19:33.880 --> 00:19:37.920 like, why there are into what end? So I inched the game and 340 00:19:37.960 --> 00:19:41.880 I don't know why shit in terms of like what you know, like, 341 00:19:41.920 --> 00:19:45.880 okay, So there there are benefits to building in in a couple of different 342 00:19:45.880 --> 00:19:48.480 ways, but none of them seem like that meaningful. One of the things 343 00:19:48.599 --> 00:19:52.160 is that you eventually get the ability to kind of like you get you get 344 00:19:52.200 --> 00:19:53.920 a flare gun and you can use that to kind of like call in the 345 00:19:53.920 --> 00:19:56.640 minute men, or you get other items that you can use call in different 346 00:19:56.640 --> 00:20:00.000 factions also that aren't necessarily based on your encampments, but it seems like if 347 00:20:00.000 --> 00:20:03.359 you're close enough to an encampment, they'll come and help you out in battle, 348 00:20:03.440 --> 00:20:07.240 which, like having the AI come help you out in a fight, 349 00:20:07.279 --> 00:20:08.839 seems like the worst thing you could do in a Fallout game, but I 350 00:20:08.880 --> 00:20:14.319 guess whatever, you don't want to add any more unnecessary variables to the Yeah 351 00:20:14.400 --> 00:20:19.440 yeah, but yeah, so so there's that, and you know, you 352 00:20:19.480 --> 00:20:22.000 can have beds at these places, so if you had if you had more 353 00:20:22.000 --> 00:20:26.519 bases around, you'd have more beds to sleep in, and then you're well 354 00:20:26.559 --> 00:20:29.279 rested and you get more XP for a chunk of time or whatever. There's 355 00:20:29.319 --> 00:20:33.480 there's like kind of mechanical stuff like that, and also the settlements where will 356 00:20:33.480 --> 00:20:37.160 occasionally get attacked or they will find like ghoul camps, like it seems like 357 00:20:37.279 --> 00:20:40.440 that's how it will generate quests for you to do, is like hey, 358 00:20:40.519 --> 00:20:44.519 this camp is getting attacked by gouls. Go to this location and kill everything. 359 00:20:45.000 --> 00:20:47.519 So it's like more of like a pointer or two locations full of things 360 00:20:47.559 --> 00:20:52.759 for you to kill, which didn't seem necessarily like, hey, there are 361 00:20:52.759 --> 00:20:55.240 plenty of things to go kill and plenty of reasons to do it in that 362 00:20:55.279 --> 00:21:00.000 game. I didn't necessarily need like people going like we need help and endlessly 363 00:21:00.079 --> 00:21:03.839 every yeah, endlessly. Yeah. So yeah, I mean I don't get 364 00:21:04.000 --> 00:21:08.119 why someone I saw someone saying that there were a lot of building mods for 365 00:21:08.279 --> 00:21:12.000 previous Fallouts. I've seen some similar comments, So it makes me think that 366 00:21:12.079 --> 00:21:18.160 maybe this is just them trying to like take advantage of that. But it 367 00:21:18.200 --> 00:21:21.160 doesn't feel fleshed out, like maybe there's some endgame to it that I just 368 00:21:21.200 --> 00:21:22.319 missed. Yeah, because like in the quickly what you were talking about, 369 00:21:22.319 --> 00:21:26.440 like you can plant crops in your settlements, you can build supply lines. 370 00:21:26.559 --> 00:21:29.319 They need different settlements, is like, what does all that stuff do They 371 00:21:29.680 --> 00:21:32.440 the settlers in your place need food, they need water, they need beds, 372 00:21:32.519 --> 00:21:36.920 they need to defense. Wait, so you're improving the settlements just in 373 00:21:37.039 --> 00:21:41.599 service of having better settlements, Okay, Like I assumed that would like generate 374 00:21:41.599 --> 00:21:45.039 resources for you that you could use in other situations. They will. They 375 00:21:45.079 --> 00:21:48.720 when they don't have anything better to do, they will scavenge and put things 376 00:21:48.720 --> 00:21:52.279 in your workshop. So it is kind of a way to get screws and 377 00:21:52.359 --> 00:21:55.400 gears and this the stuff you'll need to build, I guess. But but 378 00:21:55.440 --> 00:21:57.400 again, by spending the first third of that game picking up everything I could, 379 00:21:57.720 --> 00:22:00.319 I did not need for any thing for the rest of the game. 380 00:22:02.119 --> 00:22:06.640 Granted I wasn't I did not get the perks to access advanced gun mods or 381 00:22:06.640 --> 00:22:10.839 advanced armor mods or the science perks which lear what you'll let you start modifying 382 00:22:10.920 --> 00:22:12.359 laser guns and all that other shit. So can you get any of those 383 00:22:12.400 --> 00:22:15.640 like gun nut or not even one? Oh wow, No, because I 384 00:22:15.720 --> 00:22:18.559 looked at what level one required. By the time, I thought like, 385 00:22:18.599 --> 00:22:22.799 well, I've got most of the other baseline stuff I want, so now 386 00:22:22.799 --> 00:22:25.480 I can start fucking around a little bit. By the time it made sense 387 00:22:25.519 --> 00:22:27.599 to get one point in gun nut, all the guns I had required rank 388 00:22:27.680 --> 00:22:33.160 three. Oh so it just wasn't worth it to do with that point. 389 00:22:34.240 --> 00:22:38.079 I went for stuff like I wanted. There were things I wanted to experiment 390 00:22:38.079 --> 00:22:41.359 with, Like the supply line stuff is not built in. That's a perk 391 00:22:41.759 --> 00:22:44.960 totally. You have to you have to spend a perk point on that. 392 00:22:45.119 --> 00:22:48.119 So anyway, like whatever, like to you know, I'll sum it up 393 00:22:48.119 --> 00:22:52.000 a little bit here for people like this. So it's got that new stuff 394 00:22:52.000 --> 00:22:55.160 in it, But I don't like that stuff not necessarily great. I think 395 00:22:55.160 --> 00:22:57.519 the shooting is a lot better. It's better as a shooter. It has 396 00:22:57.519 --> 00:23:00.960 shooting. It has shooting. Now. Now, yeah, Fallow three arguably 397 00:23:02.000 --> 00:23:04.000 did not have first person shooting, and you technically could, but it was 398 00:23:04.039 --> 00:23:07.440 so Yeah, you could you could point and try to shoot, but yeah, 399 00:23:07.480 --> 00:23:08.920 the accuracy was so bad. Unless you're using like a fat man or 400 00:23:08.960 --> 00:23:11.079 something. You had to you had to vats your way through that game. 401 00:23:11.160 --> 00:23:14.559 Yeah, you see, that's not counting vats, right, Yeah, yeah, 402 00:23:14.599 --> 00:23:17.880 that's great. I'm talking about like the real time act of pointing and 403 00:23:17.880 --> 00:23:21.200 shooting a gun like that was terrible and Fallow three, but but vatzing was 404 00:23:21.200 --> 00:23:22.599 was pretty much necessary. It was Yeah, it was kind of like the 405 00:23:22.640 --> 00:23:26.279 only way to play more or less, all right, you know what, 406 00:23:26.480 --> 00:23:29.559 you could get around it. It wasn't it was not great. This feels 407 00:23:29.559 --> 00:23:32.119 a lot better, is the point. Yeah, there are still cases where 408 00:23:32.119 --> 00:23:33.640 I put a radical on something and pulled the trigger and it didn't hit. 409 00:23:33.720 --> 00:23:37.279 But you know, it's it's it feels a lot less like RPG dice rolls 410 00:23:37.319 --> 00:23:41.200 and more like yo, I shot that guy so so that that feels a 411 00:23:41.240 --> 00:23:47.160 lot better and that's cool. But yo, this is a Fallout game, 412 00:23:47.279 --> 00:23:52.599 yeah, like top to bottom alarmingly so yeah, like they made some changes 413 00:23:52.599 --> 00:23:55.759 around like those aspects of the action. They kind of rebalanced the way VATS 414 00:23:55.799 --> 00:23:57.680 works in a way that I don't I'm not necessarily on board with how do 415 00:23:57.680 --> 00:24:02.440 you feel about running taking your AP down? I think that that's a smart, 416 00:24:02.880 --> 00:24:07.200 balanced thing. I think because it prevents you from running away from someone 417 00:24:07.279 --> 00:24:10.359 until your VATS is full and then turn shooting them. I just always have 418 00:24:10.359 --> 00:24:12.000 the thing where I'm just like sprinting from place to place and there's really nothing 419 00:24:12.079 --> 00:24:15.000 going on, and like some mutant hound or a bloat fly or something shows 420 00:24:15.039 --> 00:24:17.519 up and I try to go into VATS and it's like, oh shit, 421 00:24:17.559 --> 00:24:19.279 I've been writing, I can't do any Skyram did a similar thing with stamina. 422 00:24:19.480 --> 00:24:22.400 Yeah. Right. I didn't use VATS for probably the first half of 423 00:24:22.440 --> 00:24:26.880 the game, and then on the back half it became a lot more useful. 424 00:24:27.319 --> 00:24:30.640 I put most of my like perk stuff into that. Like I'm constantly 425 00:24:30.720 --> 00:24:33.599 using VATS. Yeah, sometimes I like again, I just start playing it. 426 00:24:33.640 --> 00:24:34.680 But like like with bugs and stuff, a dying one hit, I 427 00:24:34.680 --> 00:24:37.720 would rather just pop them off, you know. Like so because the VATS 428 00:24:37.759 --> 00:24:41.640 animation takes enough time that if you can do it, and that's me it's 429 00:24:41.640 --> 00:24:45.119 where like the shooting and the frame rate is what kind of gets in the 430 00:24:45.119 --> 00:24:47.599 way of some of that stuff, because you know it's like, yeah, 431 00:24:47.599 --> 00:24:48.599 you want. You could shoot the bugs and one hit and kill them, 432 00:24:48.720 --> 00:24:52.480 right, you know, it's not that big a deal, but they move 433 00:24:52.519 --> 00:24:56.319 arout a lot, so they're kind of hard to pin down. And also 434 00:24:56.880 --> 00:25:02.960 that becomes exacerbated by the games erratic frame rate. I played it on PS 435 00:25:03.039 --> 00:25:06.640 four. I hear Xbox one is actually worst. Digital fenders put out their 436 00:25:06.680 --> 00:25:10.759 big performance eval this morning, and yeah, that one's got some stuff going 437 00:25:10.799 --> 00:25:15.519 on. Yeah they both. I mean the PS four has is no cakewalk, 438 00:25:15.559 --> 00:25:18.480 it's no joke. Like it is crazy in some spots, like like 439 00:25:18.599 --> 00:25:22.279 how bad are we talking? There's one spot so you know, like in 440 00:25:22.279 --> 00:25:25.160 the quick look you see it, you know here and there. Uh, 441 00:25:25.200 --> 00:25:27.000 and it's like stuff like you know, when you're reloading your gun, it 442 00:25:27.039 --> 00:25:30.480 seems like just the gun taking up most of the frame and just like it 443 00:25:30.559 --> 00:25:32.920 drops a bunch of frames right there and just looks like messy. But like 444 00:25:32.960 --> 00:25:37.000 who cares, right, It's just you're just reloading a gun. So you 445 00:25:37.039 --> 00:25:40.599 know, it'll get weird out in the open world, but it seems like 446 00:25:40.640 --> 00:25:44.559 inside it gets worse. So I would be going through a location and then 447 00:25:44.680 --> 00:25:48.319 just like anytime actual combat anything, anytime anyone thing was trying to kill me. 448 00:25:48.680 --> 00:25:51.119 It seemed like that's when the frame rate was just like not cool with 449 00:25:51.200 --> 00:25:56.519 that. So there's one mission pretty late game, uh that I won't say, 450 00:25:56.799 --> 00:26:00.920 I'll leave out the specifics, but like it's a very tight area in 451 00:26:00.000 --> 00:26:03.839 terms of just like corridors and but you can see kind of a lot of 452 00:26:03.839 --> 00:26:06.680 an area, but it's kind of walk around catwalks and stuff like that, 453 00:26:07.720 --> 00:26:10.799 and there are a lot of enemies, and so I'm just like, I'm 454 00:26:10.799 --> 00:26:11.799 gonna get in here and do the thing I need to do and leave. 455 00:26:11.880 --> 00:26:15.839 I have some stealth boys, it's turned invisible. Let's just try and it 456 00:26:15.880 --> 00:26:18.279 was let's try to do the stealth thing, which I did not have great 457 00:26:18.319 --> 00:26:23.240 luck with throughout the game. So I got spotted almost immediately as soon as 458 00:26:23.240 --> 00:26:27.319 I got inside and became like me running around doing something to then escape, 459 00:26:29.119 --> 00:26:33.759 and it ended with like probably like fifteen guys all shooting at me all in 460 00:26:33.799 --> 00:26:38.839 this one tight space, and the frame rate was like probably under ten jeez, 461 00:26:40.160 --> 00:26:42.319 you know. And it's just like and and so VATS is really the 462 00:26:42.319 --> 00:26:47.599 only option, but because everything still moves while you're in VATS, VATS runs 463 00:26:47.640 --> 00:26:52.400 like shit too. If VTS not does not freeze time. Yes, so 464 00:26:52.480 --> 00:26:53.839 it doesn't make you safe, it doesn't, you know, like it it's 465 00:26:53.880 --> 00:26:57.039 it buys you a few seconds. Yeah, which you know whatever that's about. 466 00:26:57.240 --> 00:27:02.160 Like in the PC version where there it's probably you know, far less 467 00:27:02.160 --> 00:27:04.359 of an issue, right, Yeah, that's fine. In this case, 468 00:27:04.400 --> 00:27:07.000 it was like this is broken on top of broken, like I can't like 469 00:27:07.039 --> 00:27:11.960 I just had to sit there and and just pop healing items and try to 470 00:27:11.119 --> 00:27:15.000 jump over these guys and get out and eventually made it and it was fine. 471 00:27:15.880 --> 00:27:18.799 But it was one of those things where it's just like there's an extended 472 00:27:18.799 --> 00:27:22.400 sequence of gameplay here, this like a cool moment that is just fucked. 473 00:27:22.960 --> 00:27:30.440 It is crazy how bad it gets, and that's you know, really unfortunate. 474 00:27:30.519 --> 00:27:33.079 You know. I think that this game, like I said it, 475 00:27:33.279 --> 00:27:37.000 they made another one of these games, and that's that's good and bad. 476 00:27:37.039 --> 00:27:38.799 You know that not a lot of people make games the way, but as 477 00:27:38.839 --> 00:27:42.000 IT makes games, you know, it's people like to point at like oh 478 00:27:42.039 --> 00:27:47.240 the Witcher than MGS and all these other like open world games of late then 479 00:27:47.319 --> 00:27:48.640 and go like oh, well, you know, like you see it's kind 480 00:27:48.640 --> 00:27:51.680 of starting up, I mean, follow ut it's not out as we're recording 481 00:27:51.720 --> 00:27:55.839 this, so it's not necessarily like a full on discussion just yet. But 482 00:27:56.480 --> 00:28:00.400 like those games don't let you pick up everything in the environment. Those games 483 00:28:00.440 --> 00:28:04.480 don't. That's always been one of the keys really funky shit going on in 484 00:28:04.519 --> 00:28:08.359 that game. Like these other games are just tighter experiences in terms of what 485 00:28:08.400 --> 00:28:11.319 they allow, right, And the Bethessa ones are just littered with random stuff. 486 00:28:11.319 --> 00:28:14.799 If you're just walking around, like I was just walking through a field 487 00:28:14.799 --> 00:28:17.680 the other day and there's some guy there with like a wooden shack just like 488 00:28:17.680 --> 00:28:19.519 he's got a kiosk like eliminated staying where he's just selling booze in the middle 489 00:28:19.519 --> 00:28:22.359 of the wasteland, like no buildings around or anything, and you know, 490 00:28:22.359 --> 00:28:26.519 you just walk twenty minutes or twenty feet in the other direction and just random 491 00:28:26.559 --> 00:28:29.680 unscripted things show up. Like I saw this raider and I was like, 492 00:28:29.720 --> 00:28:30.960 oh shit, I should kill him. When in the vats blew his head 493 00:28:32.000 --> 00:28:33.960 up and realized he was like kneeling down at a grave of another raider. 494 00:28:34.279 --> 00:28:37.960 It's like, oh shit, Like it's just littered everywhere you look in that 495 00:28:37.960 --> 00:28:41.480 wasteland. Like I think it's awesome in a way that Witcher and meddle gear 496 00:28:41.640 --> 00:28:42.799 does not. Yeah, those games have always given me the impression that there 497 00:28:42.839 --> 00:28:47.400 are a bunch of clockwork ais running around everywhere. Yeah, in a way 498 00:28:47.440 --> 00:28:52.279 that other games like kind of keep the range of motion of the different actors 499 00:28:52.319 --> 00:28:53.559 a lot more constration. So you know, it's like they're trying to do 500 00:28:53.640 --> 00:28:57.359 more. It's kind of how I look at it. But I really with 501 00:28:57.440 --> 00:29:03.079 this game, I feel like they're doing two much, and it's it's it's 502 00:29:03.079 --> 00:29:07.440 gotten away from them, like the result is Yeah, it's because you know, 503 00:29:07.640 --> 00:29:10.839 the game is still jankie and fucked up. You know. It's like 504 00:29:11.039 --> 00:29:15.079 you still see just like these like physics gone wild moments of like this skeleton 505 00:29:15.160 --> 00:29:18.359 is gonna just rattle in the corner for no reason, death rattle. These 506 00:29:18.400 --> 00:29:22.839 two two headed cows are gonna like walk with their front legs up in the 507 00:29:22.880 --> 00:29:26.680 air going down a hill, and they're both gonna sit there and just kind 508 00:29:26.680 --> 00:29:30.680 of do this weird dance for a while because they're broken too. I was 509 00:29:30.720 --> 00:29:32.720 getting way more of the thing where it's like, hey, go into this 510 00:29:32.799 --> 00:29:34.079 church for this mission, and you go up to the door and you hit 511 00:29:34.119 --> 00:29:37.759 a to open or whatever, and it just kind of grays out and it's 512 00:29:37.759 --> 00:29:38.279 like, wait, what the hell is going on here? And you back 513 00:29:38.319 --> 00:29:41.160 up and go forward a million times and eventually it just randomly like yeah, 514 00:29:41.839 --> 00:29:45.920 especially if like AI walks through the door first, like back can jam you 515 00:29:45.000 --> 00:29:48.839 up. AI does this thing where you know, like when you walk up. 516 00:29:49.559 --> 00:29:52.000 Tell me if there's there's a term for this. I was gonna say 517 00:29:52.079 --> 00:29:55.519 that it's a bark, but it's probably not a bark. A lot of 518 00:29:55.519 --> 00:29:59.599 people talk about their combat barks. What do you like in a game like 519 00:29:59.640 --> 00:30:02.880 audio cues and stuff like that? Oh no, I've never heard it called 520 00:30:02.880 --> 00:30:06.720 that. I've heard other people call that. So when you walk up to 521 00:30:06.720 --> 00:30:10.720 an AI guy and he just without you hitting a button, he acknowledges you 522 00:30:10.799 --> 00:30:12.519 and with like some kind of hint as to what you were doing for him. 523 00:30:12.640 --> 00:30:15.440 Gotcha? A lot of those things are studio dependent. Yeah, Like 524 00:30:15.920 --> 00:30:22.200 that's what I figure. Yeah, So the game does a thing where you 525 00:30:22.200 --> 00:30:25.160 you'll walk up near a guy, say you know, the guy from the 526 00:30:25.160 --> 00:30:27.079 Minutemen at your base or whatever, and he'll say did you clear out those 527 00:30:27.119 --> 00:30:32.160 goals yet? To remind you that you are supposed to be clearing out goals. 528 00:30:32.559 --> 00:30:36.160 But if you hit the talk button. While he's doing that, it 529 00:30:36.240 --> 00:30:38.839 will not activate the dialogue. You have to wait for him to finish, 530 00:30:40.000 --> 00:30:44.720 then hit it, and then your character reacts. Your character starts another conversation 531 00:30:45.319 --> 00:30:48.200 as if that guy didn't just say that, and he says, clear out 532 00:30:48.240 --> 00:30:52.079 those goals for you, and it's just like you are both idiots. What 533 00:30:52.279 --> 00:30:56.079 is going on? Yeah, like, it just it's just it's a it's 534 00:30:56.079 --> 00:31:00.839 a waste land full of morons with the way that the dialog kind of connects 535 00:31:00.920 --> 00:31:03.839 sometimes that much radiation to kind of scramble your brain. Yeah, yeah, 536 00:31:03.920 --> 00:31:07.720 but you know it's it's you know, that game is still weird in the 537 00:31:07.720 --> 00:31:10.759 way that their games always have been. You know, I was in the 538 00:31:10.759 --> 00:31:14.680 middle of a conversation with someone and another AI guy just decided he wanted to 539 00:31:14.680 --> 00:31:17.799 walk where I was standing, walked up against me. I couldn't move because 540 00:31:17.839 --> 00:31:19.640 I'm in the dialogue, pushes me out of the way and all the way 541 00:31:19.680 --> 00:31:23.519 out of the conversation, and I had to go restart the conversation again. 542 00:31:25.519 --> 00:31:27.319 You know, it's like it's it's this is the game where you're talking to 543 00:31:27.359 --> 00:31:33.279 another person and the AI guy walks him and says his you're standing nearby, 544 00:31:33.400 --> 00:31:36.119 like, hey, general, how's it going line to you? I remember 545 00:31:36.160 --> 00:31:37.920 that would happen you, Like that would happen in Skyram too, where the 546 00:31:38.000 --> 00:31:41.920 random NPC would be close enough to the camera that it would be too loud 547 00:31:41.960 --> 00:31:45.279 and you couldn't actually hear the important company. That totally happened to me, 548 00:31:45.359 --> 00:31:48.799 Like I had AI dudes photo bombing my fucking conversations and Walton in there and 549 00:31:48.839 --> 00:31:52.599 trying to talk. I made a comment during the quick look that I had, 550 00:31:52.599 --> 00:31:55.640 like when you were saying, like, you know, you hoped this 551 00:31:55.680 --> 00:31:59.640 would be the game where they fixed that stuff, like I had those hopes 552 00:31:59.680 --> 00:32:01.279 for sky Iron, And then I said something along the lines of like I 553 00:32:01.319 --> 00:32:05.759 made my peace with the fact that they're not going to do it when Skyrim 554 00:32:05.799 --> 00:32:07.359 came out. A lot of people seem to take umbradge with that comment, 555 00:32:07.480 --> 00:32:10.240 but like, maybe a better way to put it is I gave up, 556 00:32:12.200 --> 00:32:15.240 like I stopped expecting that, you know, yeah, Like I just like 557 00:32:15.519 --> 00:32:17.480 until there's an indication that something's gonna change, Like I've just accepted this is 558 00:32:17.480 --> 00:32:20.720 how it's gonna be with the best RPGs. Well, I like what you 559 00:32:20.759 --> 00:32:23.359 said about how they deal in scale it's not that minute polish thing or whatever. 560 00:32:23.359 --> 00:32:28.200 It's just this, well the breadth of content. I stand by that, 561 00:32:28.240 --> 00:32:30.599 but a lot of people would say, like that's not enough of an 562 00:32:30.599 --> 00:32:34.000 excuse that, like they should either like kind of scale things down, or 563 00:32:34.039 --> 00:32:36.920 they should spend the money and fit like I'm sure Lang has got some more 564 00:32:37.119 --> 00:32:42.200 like well insightful thoughts about this as an actual game developer. It's just one 565 00:32:42.200 --> 00:32:45.039 of those things where the possibility space is so much bigger in those because you 566 00:32:45.079 --> 00:32:47.400 can pick up every bowl. You can't move every spoon. You can take 567 00:32:47.480 --> 00:32:50.279 like you know, all the stuff and move it in the center of town. 568 00:32:50.319 --> 00:32:53.000 And then what do you do? Right? And I think you know, 569 00:32:53.039 --> 00:32:57.319 people like people at home that run into real problems. It sucks, 570 00:32:57.440 --> 00:33:00.240 right. They don't want to hear like, oh, most people don't don't 571 00:33:00.279 --> 00:33:02.599 see these problems, or most people don't do the thing you did that causes 572 00:33:02.599 --> 00:33:05.880 a problem. Right, It's I don't really want to hear that. But 573 00:33:05.920 --> 00:33:07.960 at the end of the day, it's like, you know, you make 574 00:33:07.000 --> 00:33:09.960 the game you want to make, and you you make and you accept the 575 00:33:10.000 --> 00:33:13.200 trade offs you're willing to do to make the game you want to make, 576 00:33:13.759 --> 00:33:16.559 and I you know, I think they have a very one makes games like 577 00:33:16.599 --> 00:33:21.440 them. Nobody, right, Skyrim did really really well. I'll just Squirrels 578 00:33:21.480 --> 00:33:24.480 did really really well. This game's gonna do really really well. You know, 579 00:33:24.559 --> 00:33:29.200 I hear that. I understand people getting mad about it. The person 580 00:33:29.240 --> 00:33:30.759 that doesn't bug me at all, Like, I love that you can do 581 00:33:30.799 --> 00:33:34.200 anything you want in those games, and I'm willing just to live with the 582 00:33:34.240 --> 00:33:36.599 jank in the process. You know, That's kind of where I'm at. 583 00:33:36.720 --> 00:33:37.759 For me, it was just a case of like, you know, kind 584 00:33:37.759 --> 00:33:42.640 of hoping like okay, we're we're moving to a new set of platforms and 585 00:33:42.759 --> 00:33:45.920 like, yeah, like let's see that power used for good. I mean, 586 00:33:45.960 --> 00:33:46.880 you'll get me wrong, like if it do. I wish it was 587 00:33:46.920 --> 00:33:50.359 like as polished as like a Kajima game and you can still do all those 588 00:33:50.359 --> 00:33:52.519 things. Well of course I do. Sure, yeah, same here. 589 00:33:52.720 --> 00:33:55.119 Yeah, it's for me, it's a it's about realistic expectations and like it's 590 00:33:55.240 --> 00:33:58.559 it's I'm fine with how it is. It is what it is. It's 591 00:33:58.599 --> 00:34:00.839 its own thing, and you know, not everyone's fine with it. That's 592 00:34:00.839 --> 00:34:02.759 cool. You don't have to be you know, I am, you know, 593 00:34:02.759 --> 00:34:05.960 as a gamer and I guess I get for me, I guess there's 594 00:34:05.960 --> 00:34:07.599 a distinction between wishing it were better and expecting it to be because, like 595 00:34:07.599 --> 00:34:10.880 you said, like nobody else makes games like this period much less better, 596 00:34:12.159 --> 00:34:14.960 you know, So, like I mean, is it I mean, do 597 00:34:15.000 --> 00:34:19.119 you think that it's just like not possible to make a game of the scale 598 00:34:19.119 --> 00:34:22.800 and variability and have it worked properly all the time? We never say not 599 00:34:22.960 --> 00:34:27.639 possible, right, Like we're not realistic. Yeah, now you're kind of 600 00:34:27.679 --> 00:34:30.679 asking me to speak for them, which is comfortable doing. But like it's 601 00:34:30.679 --> 00:34:35.079 ctrictly a theoretical sense, right, Like the more the bigger the possibility space, 602 00:34:35.159 --> 00:34:37.280 the harder it is to QA, right, because it's it's not only 603 00:34:37.320 --> 00:34:40.360 things like when you think about queaing a game like that, it's not just 604 00:34:40.400 --> 00:34:44.880 like oh I moved Jeff's pop over and I took his laptop when he wasn't 605 00:34:44.920 --> 00:34:47.159 looking right, It's like the order of those things can matter for bugs too, 606 00:34:47.400 --> 00:34:51.239 you know. And you start stacking up all these possibilities in top of 607 00:34:51.280 --> 00:34:55.280 all these possibilities, and it reaches a point where it's literally impossible to QA 608 00:34:55.360 --> 00:35:00.360 the game. You could never do everything that or it's impossible to replic every 609 00:35:00.360 --> 00:35:02.840 single possibility. But you can do obviously like a thorough q A job, 610 00:35:04.079 --> 00:35:07.880 but you're there's like no like like games like Madden or whatever, they have 611 00:35:07.920 --> 00:35:12.800 testing matrixes matrices where we're gonna play every team versus every team in every stadium, 612 00:35:13.039 --> 00:35:15.119 or we're gonna make sure they all work, they all run well, 613 00:35:15.000 --> 00:35:19.559 like those are those are the backbone of QA departments for years and years and 614 00:35:19.599 --> 00:35:22.320 years, and they still are. But that kind of testing methodology just doesn't 615 00:35:22.320 --> 00:35:25.119 work for a game like that. Like there's no matrix big enough right that 616 00:35:25.119 --> 00:35:29.199 you could test. There's not of hours in the day with everyone Planet Earth 617 00:35:29.239 --> 00:35:30.880 testing it for the Mountain. They test games for it, right still five 618 00:35:30.920 --> 00:35:35.679 billion years. Yeah, Like and it's just and they are they made the 619 00:35:35.760 --> 00:35:37.719 choice that they're fine with that, you know, because they get to do 620 00:35:37.760 --> 00:35:39.320 what they want to do and they feel like they get enough of the bugs, 621 00:35:39.360 --> 00:35:42.079 you know. Once again, I don't want to speak for them, 622 00:35:42.119 --> 00:35:46.320 but and I think most gamers agree, you know, based on how they 623 00:35:46.320 --> 00:35:50.000 sell, you know. So for me, it's just it's one of those 624 00:35:50.039 --> 00:35:55.079 things that like it's I'm fine with those games being messed up in a handful 625 00:35:55.079 --> 00:35:58.119 of ways. You know, like like again, like like you said, 626 00:35:58.159 --> 00:36:00.159 like it's the difference between like you know, the game jack in the games 627 00:36:00.280 --> 00:36:05.639 and like procedural bumps. So that was the thing of like, you know, 628 00:36:05.880 --> 00:36:09.079 it's all fun in games until like I had a quest where I needed 629 00:36:09.079 --> 00:36:13.880 to go up and activate a grave and to you know, dig up a 630 00:36:13.880 --> 00:36:16.320 body or whatever it was. We were doing stuff you do in the waistline 631 00:36:16.360 --> 00:36:21.280 and dig up a body dirt, walk up to it, hit X, 632 00:36:21.480 --> 00:36:25.760 nothing, nothing happens. Just like I'm looking on the iPad and it looks 633 00:36:25.760 --> 00:36:29.519 like the iPad when when you're interacting with an object. So I was using 634 00:36:29.519 --> 00:36:31.599 this the iPad app, the tablet app or whatever, which isn't bad. 635 00:36:32.599 --> 00:36:37.679 It pops up some things, just says view mode when you're not actually openly 636 00:36:37.719 --> 00:36:39.320 wandering around, so you can fuck with the menu, but you're not actually 637 00:36:39.320 --> 00:36:43.440 able to change anything because you're interacting with an object or you're in a menu 638 00:36:43.559 --> 00:36:45.440 or you know, you're paused or whatever. It would pop that up for 639 00:36:45.480 --> 00:36:49.800 a second and then nothing would happen, and I would go, Okay, 640 00:36:49.840 --> 00:36:52.159 so I'm gonna I'm gonna make sure there aren't no enemies around and try it 641 00:36:52.199 --> 00:36:55.960 again. Nothing Okay, great, I'm try it a few more than nothing. 642 00:36:57.199 --> 00:36:59.960 Fast travel out of the area, fast travel back, nothing, quick 643 00:37:00.119 --> 00:37:01.559 the game, relaunch, it, reload it, nothing. And it was 644 00:37:01.599 --> 00:37:04.760 this thing, this moment of just like, great, is this is this 645 00:37:04.840 --> 00:37:07.679 quest just permanently fucked? Am I? It was it a story like a 646 00:37:07.679 --> 00:37:12.719 main story quest. I don't think it was main story because at that point 647 00:37:12.719 --> 00:37:15.360 you just straight up can't finish the game, right, And it was it 648 00:37:15.400 --> 00:37:19.119 was infuriated, you know, but I did regardless. It was infuriating because 649 00:37:19.119 --> 00:37:22.800 it's this thing of just and finally, like after about an hour of kind 650 00:37:22.800 --> 00:37:27.599 of just trying to restart the game and do all this different stuff, like 651 00:37:27.639 --> 00:37:31.239 it finally just activated. Wow. So you don't actually know what you did 652 00:37:31.239 --> 00:37:35.199 to fix it? Nope. Man. And that's the sort of stuff, 653 00:37:36.280 --> 00:37:39.280 right, And and you know it's it's for me, especially, you know, 654 00:37:39.760 --> 00:37:44.199 trying to like review that game and wanting to see it through and stuff 655 00:37:44.239 --> 00:37:47.199 like that. But but just even even sot like you know, caring about 656 00:37:47.239 --> 00:37:51.719 the story and I think caring about the quality of like the game and wanting 657 00:37:51.719 --> 00:37:55.079 to play it and see it through because I'm generally enjoying it. It instilled 658 00:37:55.119 --> 00:38:00.239 in it reinstilled in me this feeling of like this thing could spin up heart 659 00:38:00.280 --> 00:38:04.119 at any moment, and like I would get worried every time the framework of 660 00:38:04.119 --> 00:38:06.920 getting like, oh this is gonna break some like something's gonna happen and I'm 661 00:38:06.920 --> 00:38:08.679 not gonna be able to proceed. There's one spot where, like I was 662 00:38:08.679 --> 00:38:12.679 having some trouble with an elevator then that was a main story quest, and 663 00:38:12.679 --> 00:38:15.920 I was like, well, this is this might be broken, this might 664 00:38:15.920 --> 00:38:17.800 be broken, this might not work, you know. It just it's one 665 00:38:17.800 --> 00:38:22.719 of those things that shakes your faith in the entire product in a way that 666 00:38:22.800 --> 00:38:29.719 like I'm now approaching the entire thing like scared to do things exactly. So 667 00:38:29.800 --> 00:38:30.280 then all of a sudden it's like, well, I don't know if I 668 00:38:30.360 --> 00:38:32.559 want to funk around with this stuff because who knows what it's gonna break. 669 00:38:32.639 --> 00:38:37.559 I don't want to break my save And and I think that's a bad place 670 00:38:37.639 --> 00:38:39.440 for a game like that to be in. That game is all about possibility, 671 00:38:40.400 --> 00:38:45.039 you know, save early and often. Yeah, it's a good policy, 672 00:38:45.159 --> 00:38:46.840 yeah, definitely, you know, And and the saves are pretty poorly 673 00:38:46.920 --> 00:38:50.559 named in that game. So also the icons. Yes, yeah, the 674 00:38:50.599 --> 00:38:52.760 image is attached to your save at least on PS four are wrong. It's 675 00:38:52.800 --> 00:38:57.239 mismatching. Mismatching. Look at him and go like, oh, that's the 676 00:38:57.239 --> 00:39:00.119 one where I'm right before this like point of no return with this faction. 677 00:39:00.360 --> 00:39:04.000 So this is the decision point. This is the save I want to reload 678 00:39:04.039 --> 00:39:06.440 when I want to see the other ending. All my saves so far have 679 00:39:06.559 --> 00:39:09.199 thumbnails from the tutorial area, so I have no idea where they actually. 680 00:39:09.280 --> 00:39:14.000 They're all super broken. I've got what seems to be a permanent gledge where 681 00:39:14.239 --> 00:39:15.679 you know, in Diamond City, if you want to go up to the 682 00:39:15.719 --> 00:39:17.840 Mayor's office, there's that elevator. It looks like a scaffolding like you're cleaning 683 00:39:17.880 --> 00:39:22.559 windows, and it's supposed to like extend this bridge so you can get onto 684 00:39:22.559 --> 00:39:23.920 it, and then you press a button and the bridge folds up and you 685 00:39:23.960 --> 00:39:27.679 go up and then it folds out so you can walk out. Uh, 686 00:39:27.719 --> 00:39:31.239 it's opposite for me, So the bridge is out when I am going up, 687 00:39:32.199 --> 00:39:35.280 and then it gets up to where I need to actually get off the 688 00:39:35.320 --> 00:39:37.079 thing, and the bridge folds in. So the only way for me to 689 00:39:37.079 --> 00:39:40.280 get into the Mayor's office or back on the ground is to try to do 690 00:39:40.320 --> 00:39:45.000 this like perilous jump from the railing of the scaffold into the Mayor's office. 691 00:39:45.079 --> 00:39:49.280 I tried to make that jump forgetting that the scaffolding folds out, and felt, 692 00:39:49.400 --> 00:39:52.239 Yeah, so every time the scaffolding has not folded out for me to 693 00:39:52.480 --> 00:39:53.679 save every time, Yeah, you can do it. It just feels really 694 00:39:53.760 --> 00:39:59.000 imployed. No, I mean yeah, I mean that's that's pretty that's that's 695 00:39:59.119 --> 00:40:01.079 that is a really crazy way for that to break and to have it work 696 00:40:01.079 --> 00:40:05.119 in reverse for me, it's it's yeah, for me, it's like these 697 00:40:05.159 --> 00:40:09.639 issues that have kind of permeated their games for years now, and yeah, 698 00:40:09.679 --> 00:40:15.599 and they and they've risen to a very solid level of success to where like 699 00:40:15.639 --> 00:40:20.639 you know, like they're not like scrappy, crazy little Bethesda. They're like, 700 00:40:20.639 --> 00:40:22.760 oh, those guys that made the Terminator game, Like no, it's 701 00:40:22.800 --> 00:40:27.880 fucking Bethesda, right, you know, And and and you know, like, 702 00:40:28.800 --> 00:40:30.760 yeah, it's the sort of thing where you look at it now and 703 00:40:30.800 --> 00:40:34.239 go like, you're like a major video game developer, you don't ship a 704 00:40:34.239 --> 00:40:39.360 lot of games very often. Like I understand that this is hard, hard 705 00:40:39.400 --> 00:40:43.400 expectation to have, but like, fucking for reals, yeah, that's that's 706 00:40:43.400 --> 00:40:45.360 why. That's why I was curious to hear Lang's perspective on this, because 707 00:40:45.440 --> 00:40:50.599 like I'm I'm very curious about like the technical reality of the whole thing, 708 00:40:50.599 --> 00:40:54.440 you know, and whether it's actually even realistic. Well that's other things too, 709 00:40:54.440 --> 00:40:57.760 Like it's not even fair for me to answer that. I know, 710 00:40:57.800 --> 00:41:00.960 I know what you said was pretty illuminating already, I mean just because like 711 00:41:00.000 --> 00:41:04.679 those guys have made this game like a very similar game a lot of times, 712 00:41:05.519 --> 00:41:07.840 and they know much more informed. Like you know, it's like if 713 00:41:07.840 --> 00:41:10.880 when we're working on fighting games, right, like I know, if a 714 00:41:10.920 --> 00:41:15.639 bug is something just instinctively to worry about, like oh, this might be 715 00:41:15.679 --> 00:41:17.559 like a larger systemic kind of issue, or if just a one off thing 716 00:41:17.599 --> 00:41:20.440 and it'll get fixed in the next but whatever it is, right, you 717 00:41:20.440 --> 00:41:22.559 just kind of know these things, and these guys probably have like a very 718 00:41:22.599 --> 00:41:25.639 like to the bone feeling for all these bugs you're talking about right now, 719 00:41:27.079 --> 00:41:29.000 and they know it's like, oh, it's probably because they did this, 720 00:41:29.079 --> 00:41:30.960 or if it's like no, just some weird scripting thing that we know just 721 00:41:31.079 --> 00:41:34.480 is messed up, we have to fix it or whatever, right, and 722 00:41:35.239 --> 00:41:38.400 it's it's really hard to talk about because without that knowledge and without understanding the 723 00:41:38.440 --> 00:41:42.719 scope of the possibility space, and like I, like I said, I 724 00:41:43.280 --> 00:41:45.360 played the game, I probably just have like a if a testament understanding of 725 00:41:45.400 --> 00:41:50.559 how big it is. Right. So yeah, it's like the I mean, 726 00:41:50.599 --> 00:41:52.760 the market will ultimately tell them if they can keep making that game or 727 00:41:52.800 --> 00:41:54.920 not, you know, because they seem that seems to be the games they 728 00:41:54.960 --> 00:41:58.639 want to make, you know, willing to trade a certain level of jenk 729 00:41:59.039 --> 00:42:01.440 for just a it gives you. And yeah, we'll see what happens. 730 00:42:02.639 --> 00:42:06.039 Yeah, I think it'll do just fine. And you know, I think 731 00:42:06.039 --> 00:42:09.079 that there are really good characters in this game. Yeah I wanted to hear 732 00:42:09.320 --> 00:42:13.239 every single character, but you know, there are some of the characters are 733 00:42:13.239 --> 00:42:15.360 good. I think some of the writing I was I was left, so 734 00:42:15.400 --> 00:42:19.760 I was left pretty unsatisfied by the ending of the game, the one that 735 00:42:19.840 --> 00:42:22.800 I saw anyway. So it's a Fallout game, yep, And there are 736 00:42:22.880 --> 00:42:25.079 multiple right. Have they said how many endings there are? I don't think 737 00:42:25.079 --> 00:42:29.119 they've said, but I can well remember they said how many endings there were 738 00:42:29.119 --> 00:42:30.920 in fall Out three and that did not go over well because their idea of 739 00:42:30.920 --> 00:42:35.639 different endings was like one or two lines of dialogical. I don't know that 740 00:42:35.719 --> 00:42:38.360 this does that. I don't know that this necessarily has that like stitched together, 741 00:42:38.599 --> 00:42:45.800 like here's what you did, insofar as like that was an unsatisfying part 742 00:42:45.840 --> 00:42:47.880 of the expert anyway, you know, I won't talk too much about how 743 00:42:47.920 --> 00:42:51.440 the game ends the day before it comes out. I did want to just 744 00:42:51.480 --> 00:42:53.320 hear about the game, though, like technical issues, not not to minimize 745 00:42:53.360 --> 00:42:55.039 them, but setting them aside for a minute, just like, like, 746 00:42:55.119 --> 00:42:58.800 how do you feel about the design of the world, like the quality of 747 00:42:58.800 --> 00:43:00.039 the writing and the quests, and well, you know, I think the 748 00:43:00.119 --> 00:43:04.119 quality of the writing is can be hit or miss. I think, you 749 00:43:04.119 --> 00:43:07.039 know, certain characters and certain like quest lines I think are really good, 750 00:43:07.119 --> 00:43:09.920 and some of them, including the main storyline, I think, you know, 751 00:43:10.239 --> 00:43:14.320 wraps up a little ham fistedly at least the way that I went with 752 00:43:14.360 --> 00:43:15.840 it, and I kind of want to see the other side. Basically, 753 00:43:16.039 --> 00:43:22.199 it's a lot like Fallout three so far in that I had a specific kind 754 00:43:22.239 --> 00:43:25.639 of like way to outsmart things in mind about how I would wrap up. 755 00:43:27.000 --> 00:43:31.199 Like so if you think about the games as like being pretty open, you 756 00:43:31.199 --> 00:43:35.639 start to think about ways to attack these problems, like you know, realistically, 757 00:43:35.679 --> 00:43:37.679 and hey, you know, maybe these factions could resolve these things this 758 00:43:37.719 --> 00:43:42.760 way or this way or this way or this way and the ways the two 759 00:43:42.840 --> 00:43:45.079 or three ways that I thought of that like seemed like they would be good 760 00:43:45.079 --> 00:43:50.119 ways to resolve the situation. We're not even presented as like options to be 761 00:43:50.159 --> 00:43:53.039 shot down by an ENDPC. Yeah, you know the feeling of the fields 762 00:43:53.039 --> 00:43:57.519 that's like an athema in a game where everything is about doing things however you 763 00:43:57.559 --> 00:43:59.920 want. Yeah, so it's this feeling of like, well, maybe if 764 00:44:00.039 --> 00:44:01.840 I go the other way with this faction stuff, that option will present itself 765 00:44:01.880 --> 00:44:05.039 on this end, Like I don't know, it doesn't seem like it would, 766 00:44:05.039 --> 00:44:07.960 but maybe I'll give it a go. What was the thing? Was 767 00:44:07.000 --> 00:44:09.039 the thing at the end of fall at three? It's like they wanted you 768 00:44:09.079 --> 00:44:13.719 to walk into it. Yeah, that was like does a radioactive chamber that 769 00:44:13.760 --> 00:44:16.000 will kill you? Or you can send you or you can be a coward 770 00:44:16.000 --> 00:44:20.559 and send in your companion, right, but you also can have a super 771 00:44:20.639 --> 00:44:23.239 mutant companion who was fucking immune to radiation, right, so he could go 772 00:44:23.280 --> 00:44:27.559 in there flip whatever switch needs to be flipped. No one dies. It's 773 00:44:27.599 --> 00:44:31.280 a good time. Everybody wins in Baseball out three. They were like, 774 00:44:31.719 --> 00:44:35.639 he was like, nah, I don't want to deny you this honor. 775 00:44:36.000 --> 00:44:40.760 Yeah right, It's like, well, you's dick. And then post patch 776 00:44:40.800 --> 00:44:45.239 when they change the ending post DALC, I think, d DLC, you 777 00:44:45.280 --> 00:44:49.440 had to pay for the DLC that did this. They let you do it, 778 00:44:49.960 --> 00:44:52.360 but then the ending refers to you as a coward, the same way 779 00:44:52.400 --> 00:44:55.559 as if you sent in any of the other companions, as opposed to being 780 00:44:55.599 --> 00:45:00.760 the smartest motherfucker in the waste land or no one has to die. Yeah, 781 00:45:00.480 --> 00:45:07.639 what a bunch of bullshit that was. Man, Wow, that was 782 00:45:07.679 --> 00:45:13.000 super frustrating. Like seeing that the actual legitimate, fucking logical solution in front 783 00:45:13.000 --> 00:45:15.480 of you and having the game turn you down and then they patch it to 784 00:45:15.559 --> 00:45:22.280 address concerns and make it worse. It's like, wow, man, yeah, 785 00:45:22.320 --> 00:45:24.639 so that that's hopefully nothing that bad here. I don't know, uh 786 00:45:24.440 --> 00:45:28.400 yeah, yeah, no this, you know, I was not satisfied with 787 00:45:28.440 --> 00:45:30.719 the conclusion that I got, but I'm interested in seeing the other ones. 788 00:45:31.039 --> 00:45:35.199 At least. I think that story goes some places that you don't necessarily expect. 789 00:45:35.480 --> 00:45:37.960 There are a lot of people out there that think that they've fucking got 790 00:45:37.000 --> 00:45:39.719 a handle on it. They're like, oh, well, clearly it's this 791 00:45:39.840 --> 00:45:44.599 clearly is like no, no, it's not. It's not the thing. 792 00:45:45.000 --> 00:45:47.679 Like even people trying to piece together like limited spoiler information, I've seen people 793 00:45:47.719 --> 00:45:52.760 just have it like way way wrong unless there's some other ending that like validates 794 00:45:52.800 --> 00:45:55.760 all that stuff. That just wasn't the one I got. But yeah, 795 00:45:55.800 --> 00:45:58.760 you know, there are things to see in that game. There are places 796 00:45:58.800 --> 00:46:01.480 to see their impressive moments that I think, like, I really want to 797 00:46:01.480 --> 00:46:06.880 play this game on PC because there's there's stuff that deals with scope. There 798 00:46:06.880 --> 00:46:10.840 are some big gass explosions, there's some just there's some stuff to see at 799 00:46:10.840 --> 00:46:15.679 a distance that happens that I want to see on a platform that can run 800 00:46:15.719 --> 00:46:20.079 that at a good frame rate without like N sixty four levels of fall some 801 00:46:20.119 --> 00:46:22.400 of that stuff, Like you know, there's some turret sequences up in the 802 00:46:22.440 --> 00:46:24.639 air and stuff that it's on PS four. It's rough, man, it's 803 00:46:24.719 --> 00:46:30.840 really rough. The console versions of this game are are not as good, 804 00:46:31.440 --> 00:46:35.360 assuming the PC version. You know, I again, i've not seen it 805 00:46:35.440 --> 00:46:37.079 yet. I'm gonna start on it tonight again. The problems I've seen are 806 00:46:37.159 --> 00:46:40.199 very much just that kind of be as the jankiness, ye, robotic characters 807 00:46:40.239 --> 00:46:44.360 and weird glacis. You know, that game installed on a proper system with 808 00:46:44.360 --> 00:46:46.559 an SSD and all that stuff sounds awesome, Like the reduced load times like 809 00:46:46.599 --> 00:46:49.880 all, you know, that sounds like the way to play this game. 810 00:46:49.920 --> 00:46:52.639 Yep, I got a great frame rate. Everything looks really good. It's 811 00:46:52.639 --> 00:46:55.079 been I mean it's crashed like twice on me in sixteen or seventeen hours, 812 00:46:55.119 --> 00:47:00.360 but overall it's well. The PS four version did not crash right just and 813 00:47:00.440 --> 00:47:07.960 no stuttering just got scary y. Yeah, So it's it's it is a 814 00:47:08.000 --> 00:47:10.880 mix. There are things about that game that I think are really well made, 815 00:47:10.960 --> 00:47:14.840 and I think it's a shame that the technical aspects of it are not 816 00:47:15.039 --> 00:47:21.039 up to par at presenting those things as well as they deserve. That's that's 817 00:47:21.119 --> 00:47:23.960 my my My main problem with the entire game, I guess in a nutshell, 818 00:47:24.079 --> 00:47:28.280 is that there's stuff in that game that I think is really enjoyable, 819 00:47:28.679 --> 00:47:31.960 and a lot of it gets dragged down by technical aspect. So again, 820 00:47:32.079 --> 00:47:35.519 like you know, I think that it's this is a case where like the 821 00:47:35.559 --> 00:47:37.000 PC version, you know, like I said, you know, it's hard 822 00:47:37.039 --> 00:47:39.519 to aim guns when the frame rate is bad. I was kind of shocked 823 00:47:39.519 --> 00:47:43.800 when we recorded the click look because it's very, very noticeably worse. Yeah, 824 00:47:44.079 --> 00:47:45.840 and so you know, I think that'll be a game though. My 825 00:47:45.920 --> 00:47:52.199 understanding is the mouse and keyboard Inari faces straight trash. Yeah. Skyrim's was 826 00:47:52.199 --> 00:47:55.199 not amazing either. Yeah, just in terms of just manipulating. You know, 827 00:47:55.280 --> 00:47:58.320 there's a lot of inventory stuff to do in that game. I don't 828 00:47:58.320 --> 00:48:00.719 think the pit boy. I don't think the comp old you guys is fantastic. 829 00:48:01.239 --> 00:48:05.800 They made some of the inventory manipulation stuff a little bit better. I 830 00:48:05.800 --> 00:48:08.039 couldn't get the iPad thing to work. Yeahosab Nellie and I'm on the same 831 00:48:08.079 --> 00:48:10.519 network, is my PC that's running in And yeah, I just kept saying 832 00:48:10.519 --> 00:48:14.079 no devices. I had no problem on the on the PS four getting it 833 00:48:14.119 --> 00:48:16.360 up and running. And and it's not like I would never wear that thing 834 00:48:16.400 --> 00:48:20.920 on my arm, right, because the whole point of pulling up your pit 835 00:48:20.960 --> 00:48:22.519 boys it pauses the game, Yeah, you know, to give you time 836 00:48:22.559 --> 00:48:25.239 to heal, to give you time to do stuff like the idea of like 837 00:48:25.559 --> 00:48:30.079 holding it up to my holding my wrist up and they're going, I gotta 838 00:48:30.199 --> 00:48:32.960 double tap this tiny text to use a stem pack and then it'll go into 839 00:48:32.960 --> 00:48:36.679 the animation. Meanwhile, I'm just being shot over and over again. Like 840 00:48:36.679 --> 00:48:38.239 that's a bad way to play it. It's like looking at you're watching Golden 841 00:48:38.239 --> 00:48:43.639 Eye and dudes, you're still shooting. Yeah. So you know, the 842 00:48:43.840 --> 00:48:47.079 the iPad I thought was good for having the world map up at all times. 843 00:48:46.639 --> 00:48:49.760 Okay, I was. I was gonna ask, like, what is 844 00:48:49.760 --> 00:48:52.119 the advantage there's Yeah, that was useful. You know you're walking around, 845 00:48:52.159 --> 00:48:55.880 you're seeing the local map fill in as you walk, you're seeing the world 846 00:48:55.880 --> 00:48:59.400 maps. You know you're going in the right direction. With more than just 847 00:48:59.440 --> 00:49:02.039 a compass, you fast travel through. Yeah, you double tapping an icon 848 00:49:02.119 --> 00:49:05.280 to go. That's that's not bad. That's not bad at all. It's 849 00:49:05.320 --> 00:49:07.639 like the metal Gear app like that was pretty handy seeing the map all the 850 00:49:07.679 --> 00:49:10.719 time like that. So so I if you've got the means if you have 851 00:49:10.760 --> 00:49:16.199 a tablet, because the phone would be too small, even whether it was 852 00:49:16.199 --> 00:49:19.800 on your wrist or not. Like I set my tablet kind of in front 853 00:49:19.800 --> 00:49:22.199 of my field of view, just kind of set it in front of the 854 00:49:22.199 --> 00:49:22.960 TV, and I was just kind of right there. Just you know, 855 00:49:22.960 --> 00:49:27.840 I was like I was playing a DS game. That's it wasn't bad. 856 00:49:28.199 --> 00:49:31.559 When you finish the story, what was your light level? It was the 857 00:49:31.960 --> 00:49:36.599 two nineties, so I'm just barely raid ready. Nice. Yeah it's pretty 858 00:49:36.639 --> 00:49:39.000 good. Yeah, yeah, that's solid. Have you you you rated? 859 00:49:39.039 --> 00:49:42.559 Of course I'm not rated yet. Oh no, no, I might got 860 00:49:42.679 --> 00:49:45.519 to two ninety seven last weekend. Dude's been too busy. How the hell 861 00:49:45.559 --> 00:49:49.400 do you get to two ninety seven without rating? Do a lot of the 862 00:49:49.480 --> 00:49:53.840 legendary strikes, the two eighties strikes. That's a lot of grind Man two 863 00:49:53.840 --> 00:49:57.039 eighties, the Nightfall, the two sixties strikes. Because everything in the Raid 864 00:49:57.119 --> 00:49:59.159 drops a three hundred plus, so it was just a very quick movie. 865 00:49:59.159 --> 00:50:01.199 I guess I'm really lucky. Drops like I got a three ten shell just 866 00:50:01.480 --> 00:50:04.960 a strike. Wow, that's yeah, super rare. I got like a 867 00:50:05.000 --> 00:50:07.760 really I guess it's just good drops. But yeah, yeah, I've I've 868 00:50:07.840 --> 00:50:09.840 just been too busy. I think I'm gonna run it. I'm back in 869 00:50:09.880 --> 00:50:14.840 town next weekend or next week I'll run for the first time. I'm looking 870 00:50:14.840 --> 00:50:16.519 forward to it. Yeah, that'll be good. Excellent, it was. 871 00:50:16.679 --> 00:50:20.360 It was a fun time. Yeah, I liked it. Everyone. I've 872 00:50:20.400 --> 00:50:22.559 heard nothing but good things about the latest raid. It's good. I don't 873 00:50:22.559 --> 00:50:24.920 know that I'm gonna do the heroic version. Like people came out of that 874 00:50:24.960 --> 00:50:28.599 thing saying like, yeah, it's not that much different or harder, and 875 00:50:28.719 --> 00:50:31.599 the loot is not amazing. Thatst thing with the anytime. I mean, 876 00:50:32.199 --> 00:50:36.039 how many times did they play it? You know, it's such it's a 877 00:50:36.159 --> 00:50:37.000 random, right, I just don't know. I guess so. But then 878 00:50:37.000 --> 00:50:39.000 there's nothing else, you know, It's like you get the better loot out 879 00:50:39.000 --> 00:50:43.159 of the Heroic Raid and there's literally nothing harder in the game to apply it 880 00:50:43.199 --> 00:50:45.480 to. So that just gets back to that point I had of it, 881 00:50:45.719 --> 00:50:47.840 just like, and I think a lot of games are like this, right, 882 00:50:47.880 --> 00:50:51.400 It's not just Destiny, but like, just stop playing because when you 883 00:50:51.440 --> 00:50:53.559 pick it back up again, all the loot you have wably trivial, and 884 00:50:53.599 --> 00:50:57.199 you'll be getting better stuff right out of the gate. Taking King was one 885 00:50:57.239 --> 00:51:00.719 hundred percent that yep, absolutely so, dude. There's a certain statisfaction for 886 00:51:00.719 --> 00:51:04.800 me though, about getting to like so our crew could do like Qrota hard 887 00:51:04.840 --> 00:51:07.880 with no wipes, you know, like there's a certain statisfaction from like mastering 888 00:51:08.000 --> 00:51:12.000 that rage and vogue hard and all that stuff. Like I think if I 889 00:51:12.320 --> 00:51:14.880 was, if you don't, you don't get like loot satisfaction at some point. 890 00:51:14.960 --> 00:51:15.840 Yeah, but it's like if you still have fun playing the game, 891 00:51:16.119 --> 00:51:21.519 you have unmastering that experience, like it's still a lot of fun. It 892 00:51:21.639 --> 00:51:22.960 was for me anyway, that that end, that just that was a time 893 00:51:23.000 --> 00:51:25.199 that I used playing a different game. You know, at some point it 894 00:51:25.239 --> 00:51:28.599 was just like, well, yeah, I mean I could just like hone 895 00:51:28.599 --> 00:51:30.079 in on this thing, Occupational Hazard, find a crew, Yeah, I 896 00:51:30.079 --> 00:51:34.039 guess so. Yeah, all right, I'm just gonna read this email from 897 00:51:34.119 --> 00:51:37.320 later in the show right now. Whoa, it's about fucking unpreced It's a 898 00:51:37.320 --> 00:51:42.280 bad destiny is not so precedented and barely precedented email? Yeah totally yes, 899 00:51:43.119 --> 00:51:45.000 bobcasts John bomb dot COM's email address. Oh you listen to the show. 900 00:51:45.679 --> 00:51:50.280 Uh, it's about destiny. I know Dave Lane likes destiny, so here 901 00:51:50.280 --> 00:51:53.280 it is. It's from Brad. Uh it's not not not wait me, 902 00:51:54.599 --> 00:51:57.719 he has a different last name. I'm not gonna say it out loud, 903 00:51:57.920 --> 00:52:00.639 but he does. I know. You guys talk destiny too much already. 904 00:52:00.679 --> 00:52:05.480 But I haven't heard you guys really discussed this. Have you been keeping up 905 00:52:05.480 --> 00:52:08.320 with the weapons tied to the daily heroics? I just recently got my Black 906 00:52:08.360 --> 00:52:12.639 Spendle, and I was really surprised at how much fun it is or was? 907 00:52:12.719 --> 00:52:15.400 I'm sorry. There's something really awesome about stumbling into an entirely different area 908 00:52:15.679 --> 00:52:19.679 and doing a different heroic mission and then getting a unique item. Plus it 909 00:52:19.679 --> 00:52:22.559 doesn't require the huge commitment like the raid does. Now I've followed down the 910 00:52:22.639 --> 00:52:27.280 rabbit hole, I'm researching other unique weapon quests and starting to use the one 911 00:52:27.360 --> 00:52:30.000 hundred dot io which is a finding site. And if you guys don't know, 912 00:52:30.840 --> 00:52:34.599 I didn't think Destiny would keep me around this long, but god damn 913 00:52:34.599 --> 00:52:37.199 it has. So what about you Black Spendle no time to explain? Sleeper 914 00:52:37.239 --> 00:52:40.840 Simulant do any of these interests you? Or are you pretty much clocked out 915 00:52:40.840 --> 00:52:45.239 of Destiny at this point after finishing the raid? Those are neat? Yeah? 916 00:52:45.320 --> 00:52:47.400 Have you done some of that stuff? I have? I still haven't, 917 00:52:47.480 --> 00:52:50.920 like I was the first thing I heard about it was? I think 918 00:52:50.960 --> 00:52:54.119 it was the sleeper Simulant. Yeah, it's like and my crews like, 919 00:52:54.440 --> 00:52:57.960 we have one guy who like checks Reddit every single day for like new Destiny 920 00:52:57.960 --> 00:53:00.639 stuff. He's like, oh, there's some day you do the day you 921 00:53:00.679 --> 00:53:04.400 can start off this quest line and get this thing. You gotta go through 922 00:53:04.400 --> 00:53:06.480 this weird part of all to Glass. You know we've been to. You 923 00:53:06.480 --> 00:53:09.039 gotta get these three shells to kill this boss, this crazy hard boss. 924 00:53:09.199 --> 00:53:14.079 Yeah. Then you gotta go to future War Calt and you trade the shells 925 00:53:14.079 --> 00:53:15.599 for this other shell. It's like, well, this, okay, let's 926 00:53:15.599 --> 00:53:19.800 go. We're in. It turns out though you had to, you had 927 00:53:19.840 --> 00:53:22.159 to already have the shells in the previous run. That's the thing that people 928 00:53:22.199 --> 00:53:25.199 seem to beat up so happy about. I didn't know that. Yeah. 929 00:53:25.360 --> 00:53:28.639 And so going through all this stuff and you go to future War Calt, 930 00:53:28.679 --> 00:53:30.920 it's like, wait, this this bug something isn't happening, but it's going 931 00:53:30.960 --> 00:53:32.639 on. It's like, oh no, the I have to wait for a 932 00:53:32.679 --> 00:53:37.119 show up again and up daily working in and it showed up last week when 933 00:53:37.119 --> 00:53:39.480 I was out of town. So my whole crew has the freaking gun. 934 00:53:39.639 --> 00:53:43.000 Yeah, and I'm sitting here with without it, and they're not gonna do 935 00:53:43.039 --> 00:53:45.119 it again. That's the worst your crew has left behind now, and you 936 00:53:45.119 --> 00:53:46.920 need you need some help on some of this stuff. I kicked off the 937 00:53:47.000 --> 00:53:51.599 sleeper simulant and no time to explain quest lines over the last week because they 938 00:53:51.639 --> 00:53:53.880 both pop back up. Yeah, it's cool that it seems like they're doing 939 00:53:53.880 --> 00:53:58.559 them frequently enough where if you miss one, you'll be it'll be recoverable. 940 00:53:58.559 --> 00:54:00.239 They come around every every couple weeks. But yeah, what he's talking about 941 00:54:00.280 --> 00:54:06.960 is like set like the initial conditions for starting those quests. Uh, Basically, 942 00:54:07.000 --> 00:54:08.840 you can satisfy that first step on the same day as you can do 943 00:54:08.880 --> 00:54:12.639 the next step, but you can't do the first step and then immediately do 944 00:54:12.679 --> 00:54:15.079 the next step. So you can do the first step and the next step 945 00:54:15.119 --> 00:54:19.760 should be available, except you just arbitrarily have to wait until the next time 946 00:54:19.760 --> 00:54:22.480 it comes around. It's uh, it's frustrating. Yeah, it's kind of 947 00:54:22.480 --> 00:54:25.880 a it's unclear why. Yeah, that is right, like, uh, 948 00:54:27.639 --> 00:54:30.239 but yeah, I think that's what's frustrating about. It's like it seems doesn't 949 00:54:30.320 --> 00:54:31.599 you can't think of a logical reason why it has to be that way. 950 00:54:31.760 --> 00:54:35.280 Yeah, I had missed those two just from traveling and stuff. So I 951 00:54:35.280 --> 00:54:37.199 had done all the initial stuff and then just had to wait until they randomly 952 00:54:37.239 --> 00:54:39.760 came back up. So like that sleeper simulant one's super fun. Yeah, 953 00:54:39.800 --> 00:54:45.920 that boss is super hardy once we figured out you know where, like because 954 00:54:45.920 --> 00:54:49.440 it's that place. Is that the one where it's like it's multi glass and 955 00:54:49.559 --> 00:54:52.559 it pops between the left side and the right side and there's like the the 956 00:54:52.840 --> 00:54:58.119 the minotaurs keep yeah, and the boss is invisible. Yeah, and nothing 957 00:54:58.199 --> 00:55:01.000 sucks. We finally figured that one how to do it optimally. But it 958 00:55:01.039 --> 00:55:05.119 was fun figuring it out. So it's the combat puzzle, yeah, but 959 00:55:05.119 --> 00:55:07.239 it's the bungee combat puzzle. You're still using that super cell like electric gun 960 00:55:07.320 --> 00:55:09.760 things. I love that. It's so fun. I bought I bought a 961 00:55:09.760 --> 00:55:13.320 super cell from zero a couple of weeks ago. I don't I don't know, 962 00:55:13.400 --> 00:55:15.000 man, I haven't upgraded all the stability on it yet, but it 963 00:55:15.079 --> 00:55:17.480 kind of jumps around a little too much for my taste. I like it 964 00:55:17.480 --> 00:55:21.639 for the Crucible Yeah, okay, yeah, it's good. I mean it's 965 00:55:21.679 --> 00:55:25.079 really good with with like crowds, like dense crowds. Was the Lightning chains, 966 00:55:25.159 --> 00:55:29.480 Yeah, really really good for that. And plus I just play Warlock 967 00:55:29.639 --> 00:55:31.920 Arc and so it's like it's just it's fun to have another arc thing that 968 00:55:31.960 --> 00:55:36.119 does the same thing my super does because it feels very complimentary. It's got 969 00:55:36.239 --> 00:55:37.320 like if I didn't play at Warlock, I probably wuldn't like it as much. 970 00:55:37.440 --> 00:55:40.119 Just it doesn't make it sense. But that's why it's just fun. 971 00:55:40.199 --> 00:55:44.119 Yeah, it's a lot of lightning, Yes, all the lightning. I 972 00:55:44.159 --> 00:55:45.079 hope, I hope they keep adding some more stuff like that. I hope 973 00:55:45.119 --> 00:55:47.039 there are a few more weapons in there, because that's that's kind of all 974 00:55:47.039 --> 00:55:50.559 of It's bringing me back to Destiny at this point. There's some weird stuff 975 00:55:50.559 --> 00:55:53.639 with Zer, like like the exact game they popped up as a zero item, 976 00:55:53.719 --> 00:55:58.440 right, yeah, And I remember there's like someone I don't follow, 977 00:55:58.480 --> 00:56:01.079 like the Destiny News that tightly ask to like get digests or whatever. But 978 00:56:01.280 --> 00:56:06.119 what I've friends played Destiny we're saying is like, well, Luke Smith said 979 00:56:06.360 --> 00:56:10.000 they're gonna get rid of like Elemental Primary. Yep, yeah, right, 980 00:56:10.079 --> 00:56:14.559 and then sort there's an almost the primary. The week before that, there 981 00:56:14.760 --> 00:56:22.400 was a Warlock helmet like the Skull of ak and Rama or whatever it is. 982 00:56:22.760 --> 00:56:24.760 That was a didn't come over from season one to season two, but 983 00:56:24.800 --> 00:56:29.159 it was a two eighty skull of ak and Rama. So it's like, 984 00:56:29.199 --> 00:56:30.760 how is that possible? Like, is this something that exists? This feels 985 00:56:30.760 --> 00:56:34.360 like a bug. I better buy it in case it's a bug, Right, 986 00:56:34.599 --> 00:56:37.039 So I bought that. I I you know what, I have a 987 00:56:37.039 --> 00:56:38.679 soft spot for games that are willing to break their own rules, and Destiny 988 00:56:38.760 --> 00:56:42.599 does that a lot. Like another thing they do that I think is crazy 989 00:56:42.679 --> 00:56:45.199 is like, for instance, the Vex Mythic class from Your one was a 990 00:56:45.199 --> 00:56:49.320 fusion rifle which is supposed to be a special weapon, but it equips in 991 00:56:49.360 --> 00:56:52.760 the primary slot. Yeah. Like the idea of a weapon that equips in 992 00:56:52.800 --> 00:56:54.320 the wrong slot that is not supposed to be allowed in is like, yeah, 993 00:56:54.559 --> 00:56:57.880 kind of interesting to me. And they do a lot of weird shit 994 00:56:58.000 --> 00:57:00.159 like that. That's kind of I mean, it's a little bit different as 995 00:57:00.199 --> 00:57:01.519 they've been doing it for years now, but it was kind of that was 996 00:57:01.599 --> 00:57:06.960 kind of the point behind the wild card systems and call of duty. Like 997 00:57:07.000 --> 00:57:10.920 when you're building your your class or whatever, it's like the you can deploy 998 00:57:12.000 --> 00:57:14.760 three wild cards, up to three wild cards that then let you break the 999 00:57:14.840 --> 00:57:17.079 rules on one of those things. Yeah, so it's like I want to 1000 00:57:17.079 --> 00:57:20.119 put more attachments on my gun. It's like, okay, well, they're 1001 00:57:20.119 --> 00:57:22.840 gonna cost you two points a set of one because it's one point for the 1002 00:57:22.880 --> 00:57:25.000 wild card than one point for the extra attachment. But you can do it. 1003 00:57:25.519 --> 00:57:28.400 So you end up in the situation where it's like, I want to 1004 00:57:28.440 --> 00:57:30.239 have a gun that's got a zillion attachments, and I want to have any 1005 00:57:30.239 --> 00:57:34.559 grenades or anything else. But because of the point, and you know, 1006 00:57:34.719 --> 00:57:37.119 they've they've codified it in such a way that that's just those are just the 1007 00:57:37.199 --> 00:57:40.519 rules. Now, it didn't feel like you're breaking anything. But but at 1008 00:57:40.519 --> 00:57:44.360 the time it was like, man, that's nuts. It's exciting to feel 1009 00:57:44.360 --> 00:57:47.079 like you're getting away with something. Yeah, I got six perks, that's 1010 00:57:47.119 --> 00:57:51.360 fucking crazy. No guns at all, but as if I can pick up 1011 00:57:51.360 --> 00:57:54.760 a gun, it's on. Yeah, all right, last question about fall 1012 00:57:54.760 --> 00:57:57.400 out, and then we have to take a break, okay, which I'm 1013 00:57:57.400 --> 00:57:59.840 sure Lane will be thrilled about. How you doing down there, buddy, 1014 00:57:59.800 --> 00:58:01.480 doing okay? Yeah? Feeling strong, feeling good, feeling strong? Right? 1015 00:58:02.039 --> 00:58:06.199 Uh, do you feel much compulsion to get back into the game and 1016 00:58:06.199 --> 00:58:08.159 just kind of keep roaming and doing stuff. As soon as I finished it, 1017 00:58:08.159 --> 00:58:12.079 I turned it off, okay, but you know, I'd been playing 1018 00:58:12.079 --> 00:58:15.360 it all weekend at that point, and so there was like, you know, 1019 00:58:15.119 --> 00:58:19.119 I saw the ending and dropped me back into the world, and I 1020 00:58:19.159 --> 00:58:22.360 was like, all right, or do you even have like outstanding kind of 1021 00:58:22.400 --> 00:58:24.400 side quests stuff like the stuff. There's stuff that I didn't wrap up. 1022 00:58:24.440 --> 00:58:27.920 I mean, you know, there's stuff, But the stuff I want to 1023 00:58:27.920 --> 00:58:30.199 see is stuff that is before that point in Overturn with those factions. So 1024 00:58:30.880 --> 00:58:34.679 it doesn't make sense for me to go back into the world post game unless 1025 00:58:34.679 --> 00:58:37.960 I want to see if anyone says different stuff. You know, Drew said 1026 00:58:37.960 --> 00:58:40.199 he beat Fallout three and twelve hours. That seems like something you could totally 1027 00:58:40.199 --> 00:58:43.639 do, because he never likes doing side stuff at all. I'm learning that 1028 00:58:43.719 --> 00:58:45.239 meddle of yourselid. But yeah, it's crazy to me. Yeah, he 1029 00:58:45.320 --> 00:58:49.840 mainlined Fallout three. That's so crazy. Yeah, that seems totally I mean, 1030 00:58:49.880 --> 00:58:52.639 yeah, I'm sure just doing the main story quest you could, you 1031 00:58:52.639 --> 00:58:55.639 could totally do that, but that just I don't know, that's that's kind 1032 00:58:55.679 --> 00:58:59.679 of ignoring what makes those games unique. Yeah, yeah, you're missing a 1033 00:58:59.679 --> 00:59:02.719 lot, I think, But the main question that game is like relatively weak 1034 00:59:02.840 --> 00:59:07.199 you know that's You're You're Sky is the same way. Yeah, the main 1035 00:59:07.239 --> 00:59:09.199 story it was not the major draw there. I remember the reviews saying the 1036 00:59:09.199 --> 00:59:12.800 main story wasn't great in Skyrim. So I kind of mainline the story and 1037 00:59:12.800 --> 00:59:15.239 Skyrim and then when did all the guild stuff. I mean it was okay, 1038 00:59:15.239 --> 00:59:17.440 it was okay, It's not fiable, but it's not any better than 1039 00:59:17.559 --> 00:59:21.239 a lot of the side and like and it's arguably worse than some of the 1040 00:59:21.280 --> 00:59:23.639 side comes. I always like the Dark Brotherhood stuff more than the main storyline, 1041 00:59:23.639 --> 00:59:29.800 and that's the best. Yeah, but yeah, it's you know, 1042 00:59:30.039 --> 00:59:31.159 there are there are more things I would like to see in that game, 1043 00:59:31.199 --> 00:59:36.400 but it's not necessarily post game stuff. So you're just gonna cheat engine your 1044 00:59:36.400 --> 00:59:39.239 way through the No. I mean that game's got a console sure, yeah, 1045 00:59:40.559 --> 00:59:44.559 yeah, Like I you know that game's gonna be modeble is back, 1046 00:59:44.760 --> 00:59:47.440 so you know there's and it's the thing that like, as I'm playing it, 1047 00:59:47.559 --> 00:59:50.880 like that game is this game about scavenging, you know, Like I 1048 00:59:50.920 --> 00:59:52.159 was out of AMMO a lot of the time, partially because I wasn't using 1049 00:59:52.199 --> 00:59:55.360 vats that much, and you know, sometimes you just fucking miss or sometimes 1050 00:59:55.400 --> 00:59:59.760 you're like, I'm gonna empty a full magazine into this bug and it's a 1051 00:59:59.800 --> 01:00:05.239 time any bugs. So I missed because I'm an idiot, And so there 1052 01:00:05.239 --> 01:00:07.239 are things I would you know, like like you feel really like, you 1053 01:00:07.280 --> 01:00:09.440 know, as you're spending per points and figuring out, you know, okay, 1054 01:00:09.440 --> 01:00:13.320 where am I going to get AMMO from next and and all that, 1055 01:00:13.440 --> 01:00:15.079 Like, you know, I definitely felt like there were things in that game 1056 01:00:15.159 --> 01:00:19.280 that I didn't get to see because I didn't have my lock picking upgraded when 1057 01:00:19.320 --> 01:00:22.360 I passed to buy a lock a door I really wanted to see, or 1058 01:00:22.639 --> 01:00:23.920 or hey, you know, I didn't get to Chrisma ten, so maybe 1059 01:00:23.960 --> 01:00:28.559 there's a speech check I didn't get or something like that. So I actually 1060 01:00:28.800 --> 01:00:30.920 for all those games, is that something that actually like bugs you about that? 1061 01:00:30.960 --> 01:00:36.960 Because like I think that's something like I I think that's like novel and 1062 01:00:37.039 --> 01:00:39.400 awesome like about those like yeah, like I like, on one hand, 1063 01:00:39.400 --> 01:00:44.920 I totally get it, and and I think it's cool that you go through 1064 01:00:44.960 --> 01:00:47.920 like yeah, and you know, and and Dan and I are having conversations 1065 01:00:47.960 --> 01:00:51.880 about Fallout where he's just done stuff that I didn't even know existed. You 1066 01:00:51.880 --> 01:00:52.960 know, It's like oh, this chain of quest that comes off of this, 1067 01:00:53.039 --> 01:00:55.519 Like, oh, that's that's cool, Like everyone should have a slightly 1068 01:00:55.559 --> 01:01:01.880 different story. But also when I pass by something and see it obviously and 1069 01:01:01.920 --> 01:01:07.320 then I can't do it, that bums me out. There's like a line 1070 01:01:07.360 --> 01:01:10.320 that it can cross where it goes from novel to annoying. Yeah, and 1071 01:01:10.320 --> 01:01:13.960 and so like and I you know, I would never want this to be 1072 01:01:14.000 --> 01:01:15.800 my first play through, but there's a part of me that wants to just 1073 01:01:15.840 --> 01:01:19.559 go back, give myself every single perk in the game and play through the 1074 01:01:19.679 --> 01:01:22.559 entire game and see how it feels. Yeah, you know, not necessarily 1075 01:01:22.599 --> 01:01:25.280 like god Mode, cheating or anything like that experience. Show me the full 1076 01:01:25.400 --> 01:01:30.320 content experience as a result of me being ten and everything and all these perks 1077 01:01:30.360 --> 01:01:34.440 and all this stuff. Let me unlock everything. Let me hack every computer. 1078 01:01:34.679 --> 01:01:37.280 By the way, the the member of the Fallout three hacking and people 1079 01:01:37.280 --> 01:01:40.760 came up with like a website that is like enter the words that are in 1080 01:01:40.800 --> 01:01:45.480 the hacking mini game and we'll tell you how to unlock it. That exact 1081 01:01:45.480 --> 01:01:49.440 tool still works many they you know, do need it, though I never 1082 01:01:49.440 --> 01:01:53.079 thought that had I just at some point I would just fucking lost patience for 1083 01:01:53.119 --> 01:01:58.199 it, especially when it's like seven character words or whatever does get harder, 1084 01:01:58.239 --> 01:02:00.320 Like I just don't want to stare at these words anymore. I've got a 1085 01:02:00.360 --> 01:02:04.639 lot of game to play here. I'm just gonna pop this open and get 1086 01:02:04.679 --> 01:02:08.840 through this door. Ye yeah, it's it's It is enjoyable in the same 1087 01:02:08.840 --> 01:02:14.480 way that those games always have been, and it is messed up in the 1088 01:02:14.519 --> 01:02:17.440 ways that those games always have been. And the new stuff they've layered on 1089 01:02:17.480 --> 01:02:21.639 top is nice and some of it is convenient, but it's not going to 1090 01:02:21.800 --> 01:02:28.119 change anyone's mind about this if they already have strong opinions. I think it 1091 01:02:28.119 --> 01:02:30.159 comes down to you, like, are you up for this kind of game? 1092 01:02:30.239 --> 01:02:34.400 And I think the thing that I've discovered is I'm somewhat less up for 1093 01:02:34.440 --> 01:02:37.800 this kind of game now than I was last time out, because it's because 1094 01:02:37.840 --> 01:02:42.320 it is so similar and and for me, I think, you know, 1095 01:02:44.480 --> 01:02:45.840 and I think, like you said, I think the market will dictate to 1096 01:02:45.840 --> 01:02:49.320 a certain extent, and I'm sure it will do just fine. It seems 1097 01:02:49.360 --> 01:02:57.079 to be reviewing very well. But for me, I think that I want 1098 01:02:57.119 --> 01:03:00.360 to see them. We had this exact same conversation before once wants on the 1099 01:03:00.400 --> 01:03:04.440 BombCast. It's almost like when you come around like broken game discussion happens. 1100 01:03:04.519 --> 01:03:07.760 Yeah, I feel like you guys like save the good ones from we do. 1101 01:03:07.119 --> 01:03:12.039 We've got some stuff to talk about. Yeah, but yeah, for 1102 01:03:12.079 --> 01:03:16.559 me, like I want I want to see them tackle that stuff and you 1103 01:03:16.559 --> 01:03:19.960 know, and and get ahead of it a little better than they have, 1104 01:03:20.119 --> 01:03:22.920 you know. And and I'm sure like if if they had, if they 1105 01:03:22.920 --> 01:03:28.679 had set the PC version first and the console version second, instead of sending 1106 01:03:28.679 --> 01:03:31.400 the console versions first and the PC version second, this would probably be a 1107 01:03:31.440 --> 01:03:37.360 somewhat different conversation, sure, because at the very least the performance issues wouldn't 1108 01:03:37.400 --> 01:03:43.000 be so fresh in my mind, right, But so so that's my advice, 1109 01:03:43.119 --> 01:03:45.400 like, like, really, if you have the option to play it 1110 01:03:45.440 --> 01:03:46.440 on PC, which you know, you hey, you don't need me to 1111 01:03:46.480 --> 01:03:51.480 tell you that, maybe play the PC version if you can. Well, 1112 01:03:51.599 --> 01:03:55.239 it sounds more egregious than well, that's all loaded issue. I was gonna 1113 01:03:55.239 --> 01:03:59.480 say, it's more sounds more egregious than the last time around, but then 1114 01:03:59.599 --> 01:04:04.000 that ignoring the Skyrim PS three debacle, which was a fucking horrifying shit show. 1115 01:04:04.599 --> 01:04:08.519 Yeah, but on three sixty at least Skyrim was playable, like the 1116 01:04:08.559 --> 01:04:11.519 low times were too long, but otherwise it was basically fine for me. 1117 01:04:11.559 --> 01:04:14.079 A lot of those games and I know a way to take break, But 1118 01:04:14.119 --> 01:04:17.559 for me a lot of those games when they appeared on three sixty, it 1119 01:04:17.639 --> 01:04:20.760 felt kind of like magic. It felt kind of like, man, these 1120 01:04:20.800 --> 01:04:25.480 are games that, like console players would normally not even get to play, 1121 01:04:25.840 --> 01:04:30.239 Like how crazy is it that Oblivion is here? And like and is the 1122 01:04:30.280 --> 01:04:32.920 same game? And is this huge sprawling thing? Like, man, these 1123 01:04:32.960 --> 01:04:38.119 consoles are crazy. Even if it doesn't run great, it still feels like 1124 01:04:38.119 --> 01:04:42.119 it's beyond the scope of what those machines were built to handle. One generation 1125 01:04:42.239 --> 01:04:45.199 later, it feels like these machines should be built to handle some of the 1126 01:04:45.239 --> 01:04:49.719 most popular games from the previous generation. And I know it, you know, 1127 01:04:50.079 --> 01:04:53.559 there's a lot of give and take and a lot of compromises stuff that 1128 01:04:53.599 --> 01:04:56.280 I'd be made along the way. But to get to this point and feel 1129 01:04:56.280 --> 01:05:01.159 like this game still has all of those exact same proble you know, all 1130 01:05:01.199 --> 01:05:08.519 these years later, all this money later, is a bummer. It doesn't 1131 01:05:08.559 --> 01:05:13.039 feel like magic anymore. That's fair to say. All right, there, 1132 01:05:13.039 --> 01:05:16.920 you haven't fall Out four in stores now Man broken Games. That tells you, 1133 01:05:17.400 --> 01:05:20.719 yeah, she's been a lot this year. We had we had someone 1134 01:05:20.840 --> 01:05:26.400 right in last week who wanted to specifically ask us to get to the bottom 1135 01:05:26.519 --> 01:05:31.840 of Batman Arkham Night, which came out this year. Yeah, did it? 1136 01:05:32.400 --> 01:05:35.039 Yeah? That was this year? Did it really? Yeah? Well, 1137 01:05:35.039 --> 01:05:39.960 okay, it came out. Then one version of it un came out 1138 01:05:40.239 --> 01:05:45.000 I think it's the technical term for that unreleased, and it was re unrea 1139 01:05:45.119 --> 01:05:51.440 and then rereleased unre released. You could buy that game now, I understand 1140 01:05:51.480 --> 01:05:56.639 this, although I don't believe the purchase is binding. U why I bet 1141 01:05:56.639 --> 01:05:59.280 if you? I wonder if you buy it now if you can still maybe 1142 01:05:59.320 --> 01:06:01.440 not if you were still governed by their like by the end of the year. 1143 01:06:01.480 --> 01:06:08.039 Refund anyway policy Warner Brothers ship that game? Uh, Dave Lang, 1144 01:06:08.119 --> 01:06:12.800 you're the studio you're with Iron Galaxy, correct, which I'm the CEO of 1145 01:06:12.840 --> 01:06:15.360 which you are the CEO had a hand in the PC version of that game. 1146 01:06:15.440 --> 01:06:17.800 Is that bucks? The buck stops with you? Oh? Definitely. 1147 01:06:17.800 --> 01:06:23.320 Then the buck never stops with me. The buck goes down at Iron Galaxy 1148 01:06:21.639 --> 01:06:26.159 O Bucks. The buck goes down like the all the way, like whoever 1149 01:06:26.280 --> 01:06:30.679 the lowest person is receptionist. Buck stops with rolls downhill, trickle down Buck. 1150 01:06:31.159 --> 01:06:35.639 Yeah, that's just the way it goes. Reagan with a great man. 1151 01:06:36.519 --> 01:06:43.800 All right, now you're talking crazy, you know? So? Yeah, 1152 01:06:43.840 --> 01:06:46.119 so you you your studio had a hand in the PC version of that 1153 01:06:46.159 --> 01:06:49.360 game? Correct? What what happened? What? Why is it so broken? 1154 01:06:49.719 --> 01:06:54.960 Uh? Why was it broken? Then unbroken? Then rebroken? Unbreak 1155 01:06:54.960 --> 01:06:58.239 our Batman? Unbreak the Batman. Please, I've got some bad news for 1156 01:06:58.239 --> 01:07:00.280 you, gentlemen. Are you ready say you love us again? I love 1157 01:07:00.320 --> 01:07:03.440 you all deeply, Jeff, I love you Dan. I don't know you 1158 01:07:03.480 --> 01:07:05.880 that well, but I love you already. It seemed like a great romance 1159 01:07:05.920 --> 01:07:10.880 brand I love you. Yeah. And Warner Brothers is handling all communications for 1160 01:07:10.920 --> 01:07:15.480 this title. Okay, okay, Well, judging by my request to get 1161 01:07:15.480 --> 01:07:17.440 a Lego Dimensions review copy out of them, we will never get an answer 1162 01:07:17.480 --> 01:07:24.559 to those questions either. So I realize that answer is very unsatisfying to people. 1163 01:07:25.880 --> 01:07:28.440 But like you know, it's not uncommon for us not to be able 1164 01:07:28.480 --> 01:07:30.079 to talk about what we do on some of these games, like cap Com 1165 01:07:30.119 --> 01:07:33.519 never wanted us talk about anything we did. Does different publishers have different policies 1166 01:07:33.559 --> 01:07:38.599 about who can talk about what, and it's never a problem until someone wants 1167 01:07:38.639 --> 01:07:41.800 to know something from me, right, Yeah, and then I'm just not 1168 01:07:41.880 --> 01:07:44.760 at liberty to discuss details of that for a variety of reasons, all of 1169 01:07:44.760 --> 01:07:47.239 which are contractual. You know. Yeah, that seems like you know that's 1170 01:07:47.360 --> 01:07:50.519 you run into that. I mean just you know, just in terms of 1171 01:07:50.679 --> 01:07:56.280 like internal company like people who work actually at a publisher would probably not be 1172 01:07:56.280 --> 01:08:00.280 able to comment on that generally, either I assume, because or or just 1173 01:08:00.440 --> 01:08:01.760 across a lot of companies, we run into a lot of cases where we 1174 01:08:01.880 --> 01:08:04.039 run into people that we want to interview and they're like, I'm not a 1175 01:08:04.039 --> 01:08:06.679 cleared speaker for the company, right, Which is one of those things where 1176 01:08:06.719 --> 01:08:11.960 you're like, that's an insane thing to say in twenty fifteen, But like, 1177 01:08:12.039 --> 01:08:16.520 corporations are corporations, y'all, and that is how it works. Yeah, 1178 01:08:17.359 --> 01:08:23.119 Well, so do you envision this something like that someone would be able 1179 01:08:23.159 --> 01:08:27.520 to talk about more openly down the line. I think there's a lot of 1180 01:08:27.640 --> 01:08:31.479 things to discuss about it that aren't super incindiarya or whatever. For sure, 1181 01:08:31.600 --> 01:08:34.039 Like, I don't think this like there's there's things you can talk about in 1182 01:08:34.119 --> 01:08:39.239 constructive way. I think it would be informative. So I think all parties, 1183 01:08:40.600 --> 01:08:44.319 I think for variety of reasons. It's like the whole situation is nuclear 1184 01:08:44.399 --> 01:08:47.359 right now, and there's not a lot constructive dialogue to be had. And 1185 01:08:47.399 --> 01:08:50.399 I think maybe when that settles down, maybe you could have those talks. 1186 01:08:50.399 --> 01:08:55.840 But at that point it's probably also too late, you know. So yeah, 1187 01:08:55.920 --> 01:08:59.960 Like I think there's like there's two varieties of kind of talk. There 1188 01:09:00.079 --> 01:09:01.880 is the tell all style, which I'll never do, right, just don't 1189 01:09:02.039 --> 01:09:05.479 don't be shitty business partners. Just don't do that. Or it's like I'll 1190 01:09:05.520 --> 01:09:09.279 expect Warner Brothers not to do that to us, right, Like, don't 1191 01:09:09.319 --> 01:09:12.640 don't throw your partners under the bus ever, even if they're wrong about something. 1192 01:09:12.720 --> 01:09:15.000 Right, it's just the way it is, being like good business partners. 1193 01:09:15.039 --> 01:09:18.359 But there is like a dialogue that could happen about just like normal topics. 1194 01:09:18.399 --> 01:09:26.720 But I think, without speaking for anybody in particular, uh, like 1195 01:09:27.800 --> 01:09:31.039 any there's it's it's it's under such scrutiny right now. Anything that gets said 1196 01:09:31.239 --> 01:09:35.520 just kind of gets picked apart by somebody, and so it's hard to like 1197 01:09:35.880 --> 01:09:43.000 it's hard to construct that dialogue when everything is just getting like when it's under 1198 01:09:43.000 --> 01:09:45.680 the microscope like this, you know, yeah, yeah, no, people 1199 01:09:45.720 --> 01:09:49.039 got mad, people are still mad. As it turns out people didn't get 1200 01:09:49.039 --> 01:09:51.720 mad, they're still angry. It's it's it's one of those things that like, 1201 01:09:51.720 --> 01:09:55.119 you know, there was the end for me, it was it looked 1202 01:09:55.159 --> 01:09:59.359 like the initial batch and then like it kind of just as most news stories 1203 01:09:59.359 --> 01:10:00.520 do, you know, like can we do a podcast every week? Things 1204 01:10:00.560 --> 01:10:03.439 move on, like you know, at some point it was like oh yeah, 1205 01:10:03.640 --> 01:10:08.039 oh right, So I feel like we've had conversations that were like literally 1206 01:10:08.079 --> 01:10:10.920 it was like, oh right, Batman came out this year, like that 1207 01:10:11.039 --> 01:10:14.239 was you know, yeah that launch week sucked, like that was I was 1208 01:10:14.279 --> 01:10:15.880 it? So that was the week after E three and I was at Disney 1209 01:10:15.880 --> 01:10:20.159 with my family and it was kind of casually checking Twitter and I'm like, 1210 01:10:20.479 --> 01:10:25.640 it's like something's wrong with Batman. It's like, oh, put my phone 1211 01:10:25.640 --> 01:10:28.520 away, check it six hours later, Oh if I got a billion text 1212 01:10:28.520 --> 01:10:31.880 messages too? Yeah yeah. And then it's like realizing that this isn't like 1213 01:10:32.000 --> 01:10:34.399 a run of the mill thing. This is something that needs my tension right 1214 01:10:34.399 --> 01:10:39.159 away, right and like, uh, like that was We've never had a 1215 01:10:39.279 --> 01:10:44.680 launch like that, Like Third Strike was probably the previous launch that it got 1216 01:10:45.439 --> 01:10:47.119 not even close to that level of ire, but it got ire because like 1217 01:10:47.399 --> 01:10:50.720 some components of the online or the port weren't perfect. Those people like wanted 1218 01:10:50.760 --> 01:10:54.199 to be like this, this or this, and it's just it's like, 1219 01:10:54.520 --> 01:10:58.600 you know, it's like when people when fans are super passionate about any game, 1220 01:10:59.159 --> 01:11:04.119 right, and the passion the fuels their expectations aren't met. Uh, 1221 01:11:04.199 --> 01:11:08.520 you know, Deck can get reflected back at you as one of the people 1222 01:11:08.520 --> 01:11:11.479 who worked on the game. Right. In this case, it's like even 1223 01:11:11.520 --> 01:11:14.600 more frustratingcause no one knows who did what. No one knows what Rocks did 1224 01:11:14.600 --> 01:11:15.640 he did, No one knows what Iron Galaxy did, No one knows what 1225 01:11:15.680 --> 01:11:19.720 Warner Brothers did. So everyone's just yelling at everybody. And yeah, I 1226 01:11:19.720 --> 01:11:25.239 think I think that is something that doesn't help the situation either. Yeah, 1227 01:11:25.479 --> 01:11:27.720 that that comes along at the same time, like you know, yeah, 1228 01:11:27.720 --> 01:11:30.960 it's people spent money and we're pissed, and then that always gets weird. 1229 01:11:30.439 --> 01:11:35.039 Yeah that people always always be like any this isn't anybody like rolls up on 1230 01:11:35.079 --> 01:11:38.199 me in the mall or whatever, and they're like, hey, man, 1231 01:11:38.239 --> 01:11:40.640 you're the game you did sucks? I hey dive kick or whatever. Right, 1232 01:11:40.880 --> 01:11:42.960 it's like, if you bought it, I'm not here to tell you 1233 01:11:42.960 --> 01:11:45.359 how to feel about it, right, Like, you can feel however you 1234 01:11:45.399 --> 01:11:47.520 want about it if you bought it. Like, I'll listen to you and 1235 01:11:47.560 --> 01:11:53.079 I'll take what you have to say. But like, I'm not like I 1236 01:11:53.119 --> 01:11:56.239 understand why people are mad. I totally get it. I'm not here to 1237 01:11:56.239 --> 01:12:00.039 say this shouldn't be mad about stuff, you know. Yeah, well this 1238 01:12:00.079 --> 01:12:04.319 concludes your Batman Arkham Knight minute. That wasn't even mostly about Batman. That 1239 01:12:04.399 --> 01:12:10.640 was about generic game launches. You're a com right, Indeed, you guys 1240 01:12:10.720 --> 01:12:14.600 ended up I'm not allowed to comment on bat You guys ended up paying for 1241 01:12:15.880 --> 01:12:20.319 a Third Strike patch. Yeah, that was the right, So we did. 1242 01:12:20.920 --> 01:12:27.079 There was yeah, the very last Third Strike patch. We It's interesting, 1243 01:12:27.079 --> 01:12:30.319 I don't know if I would do that again. So that was like 1244 01:12:30.359 --> 01:12:33.600 Third Strike was like the first kind of big title we ever touched big in 1245 01:12:33.680 --> 01:12:38.640 terms of like intellectual property or whatever. Sure, and we did the normal 1246 01:12:38.720 --> 01:12:42.000 kind of launch. And you know, anytime you launch an online game that 1247 01:12:42.039 --> 01:12:45.920 doesn't have like a huge support network. Odds are something's gonna be broken. 1248 01:12:45.039 --> 01:12:48.119 It's because you can't test, you know, like this guy in Japan versus 1249 01:12:48.199 --> 01:12:51.239 this guy in Sweden or whatever, and they're go, one guy's behind this 1250 01:12:51.279 --> 01:12:54.279 shitty router, one guy's but you know, you just can't test all these 1251 01:12:54.279 --> 01:12:57.039 configurations and you find stuff, you find it works and what doesn't, and 1252 01:12:57.039 --> 01:13:00.800 you do a patch and like those kind of patches like Coom was paying for, 1253 01:13:00.159 --> 01:13:03.760 but then there was one more that was like, uh, like the 1254 01:13:03.760 --> 01:13:08.439 hardest of the hardcore fans wanted these handful of fixes done, Like so we 1255 01:13:08.479 --> 01:13:11.239 did. We did all the net code for Third Strike, then we did 1256 01:13:11.399 --> 01:13:14.520 Marvel Capcom origins, then we did Dark Stokers, and by the time we 1257 01:13:14.600 --> 01:13:16.479 got the Dark Stokers, we kept refining on the net code, iterating on 1258 01:13:16.520 --> 01:13:19.039 it. Yeah, and like the net code for Third Strike was really good 1259 01:13:19.079 --> 01:13:25.920 actually, but based on anything or was that. But there's like GGPO is 1260 01:13:25.960 --> 01:13:29.880 like fifteen twenty percent of it, you know, it's it's it's like it's 1261 01:13:29.920 --> 01:13:31.600 like the most houred facing twenty percent, but it's twenty percent. Yeah, 1262 01:13:32.479 --> 01:13:34.640 But we did a lot of things they didn't like, Like we didn't give 1263 01:13:35.000 --> 01:13:39.439 ping numbers in the UI, we gave like green, yellow, red, 1264 01:13:39.840 --> 01:13:42.479 you know which on console is pretty much the standard. That was My thinking 1265 01:13:42.479 --> 01:13:44.720 is that I'm the one that made that decision. It turns out that was 1266 01:13:44.760 --> 01:13:48.359 incredibly wrong decision because everyone that played Third Strike on GGPO on the PC had 1267 01:13:48.439 --> 01:13:51.880 numbers right, and so the way GPO on the piece we should have emulated 1268 01:13:51.880 --> 01:13:55.479 how it worked in the PC in hindsight. But and so a bunch of 1269 01:13:55.479 --> 01:13:57.760 things like that, and a bunch of things of like, oh we can 1270 01:13:57.800 --> 01:14:00.920 coalesque packets. You know, we were when we won't lose perform. It's 1271 01:14:00.920 --> 01:14:02.920 just a bunch of technical things we figured out. So by the time we 1272 01:14:02.960 --> 01:14:09.640 got the Dark Stalkers, like the net code for that kind of port of 1273 01:14:10.239 --> 01:14:14.560 arcade title was a reach against like theoretical maximum. Yeah, and we wanted 1274 01:14:14.560 --> 01:14:17.000 to bring that back in the Third Strike, along with a hand a handful 1275 01:14:17.039 --> 01:14:20.279 of other fixes, right because like for fride reasons one, I love Third 1276 01:14:20.279 --> 01:14:24.439 Strike two. It's sold a lot more than those other two games. It 1277 01:14:24.439 --> 01:14:28.600 had a bigger community. People are still playing it now, and there's a 1278 01:14:28.640 --> 01:14:30.640 hangingful of other things at Capcom's like nope, we're not you know, we 1279 01:14:30.640 --> 01:14:31.960 were not understood in doing that anymore. We'd rather like look for you have 1280 01:14:32.000 --> 01:14:34.439 you guys look forward to other stuff. And so I'm like, okay, 1281 01:14:34.479 --> 01:14:36.640 guys, don't do that. And then one of the guys just kind of 1282 01:14:36.680 --> 01:14:40.079 kept working on it on the side, and then he's like, oh, 1283 01:14:40.079 --> 01:14:42.119 I've got all this stuff done. But then it's like, okay, well 1284 01:14:42.159 --> 01:14:44.239 that's like it's cool you did that on the side, but now we have 1285 01:14:44.279 --> 01:14:45.479 to QA and we have to do this stuff and we have to do all 1286 01:14:45.479 --> 01:14:48.239 this, and so kind of made the decision as a company. They're like, 1287 01:14:48.279 --> 01:14:51.000 okay, let's just like put some of the money we made on it 1288 01:14:51.000 --> 01:14:55.399 back into it, even though it's not ours, right, And that was 1289 01:14:55.439 --> 01:14:58.199 interesting, Like I don't know if I do that again, Like I know 1290 01:14:58.199 --> 01:15:02.439 Third Strike players were super appreciative, but it's strictly like ice cold businessman term. 1291 01:15:02.560 --> 01:15:04.640 Yeah, it's strictly a business move. I'm not sure it was the 1292 01:15:04.680 --> 01:15:08.760 smartest thing I've ever done. Yeah, Like that was that was me being 1293 01:15:08.800 --> 01:15:12.680 a fan of Third Strike, not me like being smart about what's probably best 1294 01:15:12.680 --> 01:15:15.039 for Ryron Galaxy. Thinking with your joystick not your wallet. Yeah, that 1295 01:15:15.039 --> 01:15:17.960 happens a lot. Actually, you'd be surprised. Maybe you wouldn't who could 1296 01:15:18.000 --> 01:15:23.399 say, I see indeed? Yeah, all right man, we got to 1297 01:15:23.399 --> 01:15:26.359 get you in here for business talk more often. Stuff's interesting. Ask me 1298 01:15:26.439 --> 01:15:30.039 a business question. I haven't talked business yet at all. Shit, uh, 1299 01:15:30.680 --> 01:15:34.880 I got nothing business minute. M it's the giant bomb dot com business 1300 01:15:34.880 --> 01:15:40.199 match. That's what people come here for. So how is how how does 1301 01:15:40.239 --> 01:15:43.960 your studio find work these days? I know in the past, like you've 1302 01:15:44.000 --> 01:15:46.279 you've had an agent and stuff like like there's there's this agent side of the 1303 01:15:46.319 --> 01:15:49.720 business that I think a lot of people never hear about, and all this 1304 01:15:49.760 --> 01:15:53.479 other stuff like do you still have an agency that's out there finding you work 1305 01:15:53.560 --> 01:15:56.920 or at this point have you built up a reputation that people either definitely want 1306 01:15:56.920 --> 01:16:00.479 to work with you or never want to work with you. It's all of 1307 01:16:00.479 --> 01:16:03.720 that. So we So the way it typically gets handled, companies either have 1308 01:16:04.359 --> 01:16:10.279 dedicated internal people to business development, like we'll hire a bisdev guy, or 1309 01:16:10.359 --> 01:16:15.439 they have external agents quote unquote agents or agencies that work on it. And 1310 01:16:15.399 --> 01:16:19.600 I'm pretty much dedicated to just business development Internally. We also work with agents. 1311 01:16:19.640 --> 01:16:25.640 We work with CEA now they do like respawn and yeah, and people 1312 01:16:25.680 --> 01:16:28.039 like that, right, And so we used to work with Flashman, and 1313 01:16:28.079 --> 01:16:30.319 Flashman was awesome for us. We work with them for like five years. 1314 01:16:30.439 --> 01:16:36.079 But kind of the nature of like the studio agent relationship is, hey, 1315 01:16:36.119 --> 01:16:40.840 once I've kind of met everyone the agent knows already, Yeah, they've kind 1316 01:16:40.880 --> 01:16:44.359 of exhausted their usefulness. And so I flashed, like, the Flashman guys 1317 01:16:44.359 --> 01:16:45.920 are awesome. I loved them, but they weren't. I kind of met 1318 01:16:45.960 --> 01:16:48.199 everyone they know, so I don't really do I sign up with them again, 1319 01:16:48.239 --> 01:16:51.359 or do I get somebody with a different rolodex. And at the same 1320 01:16:51.359 --> 01:16:54.880 time, we've got like higher profile stuff with Sea. It's definitely a higher 1321 01:16:54.880 --> 01:16:59.000 profile Flashman and so h yeah, and so the way it works is, 1322 01:17:00.279 --> 01:17:01.279 well, I shouldn't say the way it works the way it works for us 1323 01:17:01.279 --> 01:17:05.199 and c A is. I talked with Derek, who's our primary agents, 1324 01:17:05.560 --> 01:17:09.720 and I say, Okay, I want you to try to accomplish these things 1325 01:17:09.760 --> 01:17:13.840 this month, like get us in with EA, who we've never done a 1326 01:17:13.880 --> 01:17:15.239 deal with or whatever, get us in with these people, try to get 1327 01:17:15.279 --> 01:17:18.760 us an RFP from Activision or whatever it is. Right, Sure, RFP 1328 01:17:18.920 --> 01:17:21.960 is request for proposal. They they want those. They have a game, 1329 01:17:23.039 --> 01:17:25.880 like we want to make this game. We're gonna send a request for proposal 1330 01:17:25.920 --> 01:17:29.079 to studios. They'll come in and they'll be like the first pass it like, 1331 01:17:29.119 --> 01:17:30.640 what studios gonna work out? Are we on our end? We get 1332 01:17:30.720 --> 01:17:34.600 RFPs or our sales team gets RFPs from clients? Yeah, like you know, 1333 01:17:34.640 --> 01:17:38.760 hey, we're the beef jerkeymen and we want to spend a zillion dollars. 1334 01:17:39.119 --> 01:17:42.000 What kind of package can you put together? Okay, these zillion very 1335 01:17:42.000 --> 01:17:45.079 similar thing? Yeah, and then what I so? I FCA going after 1336 01:17:45.159 --> 01:17:48.479 mostly new stuff or people we've never worked with, or maybe projects that are 1337 01:17:48.479 --> 01:17:51.920 bigger than we've ever done, and I focus on people we've worked with a 1338 01:17:51.960 --> 01:17:59.239 lot, like Microsoft or Bethesda or Warner Brothers or whatever. I focus on 1339 01:17:59.319 --> 01:18:04.319 them and existing clients and kind of running it like it like no matter who 1340 01:18:04.359 --> 01:18:08.000 finds it, like, oh, we generally need to generate a bid for 1341 01:18:08.000 --> 01:18:10.840 the work we're gonna do or whatever, like because they published needs to know 1342 01:18:10.840 --> 01:18:14.640 how much they're gonna pay us. And I'll kind of lead the process internally 1343 01:18:14.680 --> 01:18:17.439 no matter who finds it, to generate the bid, and then at some 1344 01:18:17.520 --> 01:18:21.600 point Sea hands it off to me, and then I kind of try to 1345 01:18:21.600 --> 01:18:25.680 get the deal done. But cool thing about agents too, it's really cool 1346 01:18:26.359 --> 01:18:30.359 is like they've seen probably many more deals than any bizdev guy has, and 1347 01:18:30.399 --> 01:18:32.880 like they know it's like, oh, for another client, you know, 1348 01:18:32.920 --> 01:18:39.760 I negotiated like like Capcom standard contract, right, I know they'll they'll fade 1349 01:18:39.760 --> 01:18:43.640 on their clawback claws or whatever it is, right because like I got them 1350 01:18:43.640 --> 01:18:45.640 to drop it for this other clients, So I know they'll do it. 1351 01:18:45.840 --> 01:18:47.760 Don't even bother about this other thing because they'll never give up that in a 1352 01:18:47.840 --> 01:18:50.760 billion years. So you have a better idea about how to spend your kind 1353 01:18:50.760 --> 01:18:56.359 of like negotiating bullets. So sure, and so just having intelligence going into 1354 01:18:56.399 --> 01:19:00.520 those kind of talks is always super helpful. So that's cool. And then 1355 01:19:00.560 --> 01:19:05.239 the reputation, uh really really helps. Like we we like we have people 1356 01:19:05.359 --> 01:19:09.760 like just finding us now because of all the stuff we've done all you know, 1357 01:19:09.840 --> 01:19:14.359 like like the you know, the bulk of our work, the number 1358 01:19:14.399 --> 01:19:16.560 of things we've done, and the overall Metacritic for it is like really really 1359 01:19:16.560 --> 01:19:20.279 impressive for studio like us, and so people just find us from that. 1360 01:19:20.359 --> 01:19:24.560 And so yeah, now it's definitely more of a situation where we kind of 1361 01:19:24.560 --> 01:19:28.760 get the pick from different things we're doing as opposed to like scrambling to find 1362 01:19:28.800 --> 01:19:30.520 the next Thing's LIKEA is calling you a going like we love to wrecketeer. 1363 01:19:30.640 --> 01:19:33.439 We want you to make the next boom blocks do still never called me, 1364 01:19:33.760 --> 01:19:36.479 That's not true. He had called me twice, but it's for things we 1365 01:19:36.479 --> 01:19:40.079 couldn't do because we're doing other things. But like, yeah, ea, 1366 01:19:40.199 --> 01:19:44.079 proper is never called yea. Yeah, Like it's always like the thing is 1367 01:19:44.079 --> 01:19:48.039 too it's it's weird the phone rings and it's like I don't know who this 1368 01:19:48.079 --> 01:19:53.680 company is a lot of times it could be like very natural to like, 1369 01:19:53.840 --> 01:19:55.920 oh, you know what, just some of an email or whatever, but 1370 01:19:55.960 --> 01:19:59.880 like it's like your only job is to like vet all these leads. Sure 1371 01:20:00.279 --> 01:20:01.640 you take every phone call you talk to it, even though you're gonna waste 1372 01:20:01.640 --> 01:20:04.199 a lot of your time. You know. It's like definitely like a fifty 1373 01:20:04.239 --> 01:20:08.119 to one situation, like you can take fifty calls that are a waste to 1374 01:20:08.119 --> 01:20:11.039 get that one that is worth it in a cool relationship to have or whatever. 1375 01:20:11.159 --> 01:20:14.640 Right, But yeah, it's a it's not like I think it sucks 1376 01:20:14.640 --> 01:20:20.159 about bisdev is like the like you take a lot more losses than you do 1377 01:20:20.239 --> 01:20:24.520 wins. Right, you get told no a lot more than you get told 1378 01:20:24.640 --> 01:20:30.479 yes, and so the yeses have to be amazing, like to outweigh all 1379 01:20:30.600 --> 01:20:32.880 the nose. And they rarely are. They rarely are. This is why 1380 01:20:32.920 --> 01:20:38.000 all bis deep people are alcoholics. Yeah, yeah, but you can take 1381 01:20:38.000 --> 01:20:41.920 solace and like those yeses are what keep the lights on. And yeah, 1382 01:20:41.960 --> 01:20:44.880 you can take solace in that until all the employees bitch that they don't want 1383 01:20:44.880 --> 01:20:45.920 to work on that game, like they're gonna have a job forever if you 1384 01:20:45.920 --> 01:20:51.680 didn't do your shit. Fucking employees are the worst everyone gets. When I 1385 01:20:51.680 --> 01:20:55.680 didn't win to work on this game, you spent the last six months getting 1386 01:20:55.760 --> 01:20:58.479 us to do. I think I think it's it's not for me, it's 1387 01:20:58.520 --> 01:21:01.920 negas. Doesn't the line my personal brand? Hey, how does unemployment align 1388 01:21:01.960 --> 01:21:09.199 with your personal brand? You fucking turn get typing fuck because we's so mad. 1389 01:21:09.439 --> 01:21:14.560 Yeah, now that's a business minute. That's the giant business minute. 1390 01:21:14.600 --> 01:21:16.159 Hang on, let's extend the businessman to it a minute and a half. 1391 01:21:16.239 --> 01:21:19.800 Here, where's the money coming from these days? Like I think you know, 1392 01:21:19.840 --> 01:21:24.439 you guys are primarily doing console console and PC and stuff. Like that. 1393 01:21:24.479 --> 01:21:27.640 But like it seems like there are a lot of people out there taking 1394 01:21:27.720 --> 01:21:31.399 Chinese money, the big the like the new the new thing. But like 1395 01:21:31.680 --> 01:21:34.439 the thing you hear a lot more of than you did last year, like 1396 01:21:34.720 --> 01:21:39.960 the China free to play thing was like, oh, you started hearing about 1397 01:21:40.000 --> 01:21:42.760 that a lot more than you used to like three or four years ago, 1398 01:21:42.920 --> 01:21:45.960 right right. The thing you're hearing now more this year and last year you're 1399 01:21:45.960 --> 01:21:51.800 hearing is the Japanese mobile publishers, your gung hos, you know, like 1400 01:21:51.840 --> 01:21:56.960 them you're starting they're starting to like want to do more and more stuff like 1401 01:21:57.039 --> 01:22:00.319 doing business with more Western developers and stuff like that. So that's like the 1402 01:22:00.359 --> 01:22:03.399 new thing. But like for us, we don't really chase markets like that. 1403 01:22:04.399 --> 01:22:10.399 We focus on just you know, the core of what we do and 1404 01:22:11.119 --> 01:22:14.079 we've got that on lock and so you know, we try new things all 1405 01:22:14.119 --> 01:22:15.920 the time, but it's not a like chasing down all those new things isn't 1406 01:22:15.920 --> 01:22:19.319 really focused. VR is also really hot right now. Yeah, like a 1407 01:22:19.359 --> 01:22:24.239 lot of people want to invest in VR in case it hits right. See, 1408 01:22:24.600 --> 01:22:28.279 there are definitely people throwing money at it. Yeah, and we got 1409 01:22:28.279 --> 01:22:31.199 one VR thing we're doing now it's pretty cool, but it's very much that 1410 01:22:31.279 --> 01:22:33.279 scamming kind of thing. It's like, oh, let's make a little investment 1411 01:22:33.319 --> 01:22:36.920 in VR. That way VR does hit, we can one say we have 1412 01:22:36.960 --> 01:22:42.319 experience doing it too. Maybe part of that it hitting, you know, 1413 01:22:42.800 --> 01:22:44.840 and if it doesn't hit, you know, it's just like so it's you 1414 01:22:44.840 --> 01:22:45.880 know, you main an investment didn't pan out? Like everything else? Is 1415 01:22:45.920 --> 01:22:49.439 it? First person di kick your first person fighting games? I don't know 1416 01:22:49.479 --> 01:22:53.720 how Namco is going to do a first person fighting Yeah, like TECH and 1417 01:22:53.800 --> 01:22:57.439 VR. So if you remember though Tech and one had first person camera view, 1418 01:22:57.760 --> 01:23:00.039 it's select enough times, so that's not the same as VR. No, 1419 01:23:00.359 --> 01:23:02.840 and that sucked. But like so I look at that and go like, 1420 01:23:02.840 --> 01:23:09.560 well they could do something really shitty and puke, yeah, because like 1421 01:23:09.640 --> 01:23:13.439 you know, there's hit reacts in fighting games, and how are you gonna 1422 01:23:13.600 --> 01:23:15.960 have hit reacts? Like I envisioned them doing that. I don't know if 1423 01:23:16.439 --> 01:23:19.319 Insomniac had a demo running on an Oculus back at E three that was just 1424 01:23:19.319 --> 01:23:23.239 straight up a third person behind the back game that games actually great and it 1425 01:23:23.319 --> 01:23:26.640 just didn't but it just didn't seem I played it it like looked cool but 1426 01:23:26.920 --> 01:23:29.359 nothing about it seemed like it had to be in VR, so there is 1427 01:23:29.439 --> 01:23:32.239 a very VR thing to it, so I always forget. Like so the 1428 01:23:32.279 --> 01:23:40.159 things that got me in on VR were air meck uh yeah, the E 1429 01:23:40.319 --> 01:23:45.800 Valkyrie yeah, and uh that that Insomniac game actually got me all into because 1430 01:23:45.840 --> 01:23:49.159 like so I played it at packs and the thing about it's really hard to 1431 01:23:49.159 --> 01:23:51.600 describe, right because it's like at first, blush, It's like, wait, 1432 01:23:51.600 --> 01:23:55.159 the right stick doesn't control the camera. This is just frustrating, right 1433 01:23:55.520 --> 01:23:58.119 right, But then you get passed on that thing. I've never gotten the 1434 01:23:58.560 --> 01:24:01.479 vertigo feeling like from that from any other VR stuff. Like it's it's like 1435 01:24:01.520 --> 01:24:04.399 it's impressive looking and stuff, but like my body just whatever. I'm just 1436 01:24:04.439 --> 01:24:06.600 good at it. I just I don't know. I had neither until E 1437 01:24:06.720 --> 01:24:10.239 three and then once it happened, I was like, I am done. 1438 01:24:10.279 --> 01:24:13.439 I want off right now. Yeah it fucking sucks. The bike thing it 1439 01:24:13.520 --> 01:24:15.800 was, yes, so it was the thing. It was the Morpheus thing 1440 01:24:15.800 --> 01:24:17.960 that was hooked up to a bicycle and I don't see that. I don't 1441 01:24:17.960 --> 01:24:19.840 know if that had anything to do with it, because it felt like the 1442 01:24:19.840 --> 01:24:23.279 bicycle was going to tip over. At all times, and that didn't help 1443 01:24:23.279 --> 01:24:25.399 either, And that's always I was always a pro. Leave it up to 1444 01:24:25.439 --> 01:24:29.800 Sony to ruin a new market for everybody else. Damn. Yeah. So 1445 01:24:29.960 --> 01:24:31.319 so the Intimiac thing actually sold you on it. Yeah, it's one of 1446 01:24:31.319 --> 01:24:33.560 the three, like exactly so that it's like, oh, sure, of 1447 01:24:33.600 --> 01:24:36.960 course you could do like a spaceship game, and of course, but like 1448 01:24:38.479 --> 01:24:43.600 between the Airmack thing and the e Valkyrie, which is like exactly what you 1449 01:24:43.600 --> 01:24:45.600 would expect to be, right, and then simic thing, it's like, 1450 01:24:45.720 --> 01:24:47.319 oh, there's actually a room for a bunch of different games in VR, 1451 01:24:47.439 --> 01:24:51.600 more so than I would have thought originally. Sure, I think rtsque like 1452 01:24:51.600 --> 01:24:54.640 like Airmack makes a lot of sense, and like some of the stuff that's 1453 01:24:54.680 --> 01:24:57.399 like board games or whatever, like you know, like somewhere you actually like 1454 01:24:57.439 --> 01:25:00.800 I'm literally walking around a table and moving units around. Yeah, Like there's 1455 01:25:00.800 --> 01:25:04.600 something kind of cool military man with the push stick fucking pushing tanks around like 1456 01:25:04.640 --> 01:25:08.399 that. There's something kind of awesome about that. And so we got something 1457 01:25:08.760 --> 01:25:12.000 working. It's gonna be cool. We'll see, And I'm oh, fuck, 1458 01:25:12.159 --> 01:25:15.520 sorry for the language. I played Oculus Touch for the first time, 1459 01:25:15.560 --> 01:25:19.199 like three weeks ago, I played Bullet Train by Epic. Oh my god, 1460 01:25:19.279 --> 01:25:23.000 so you were not the first person to fucking flip out at bullet Train. 1461 01:25:23.039 --> 01:25:25.960 Bullet Train, it is amazing. That's that weird little tress that like 1462 01:25:26.000 --> 01:25:28.760 the two gun demo thing they did, because the footage of that did not 1463 01:25:28.800 --> 01:25:31.359 look incredible. So bullet Train is so first of all, the oculus touch 1464 01:25:31.479 --> 01:25:35.079 is just awesome. Yeah, right, Like it's got like two triggers on 1465 01:25:35.119 --> 01:25:38.199 it, and it's like, why do you need two triggers? Like, 1466 01:25:38.479 --> 01:25:40.680 oh, go just bend over and pick up the guns on the chair in 1467 01:25:40.720 --> 01:25:43.119 front of you, and you do it, and you squeeze your hands and 1468 01:25:43.159 --> 01:25:45.880 then you grab the guns. Right, It's like one of the triggers are 1469 01:25:45.880 --> 01:25:48.159 for shooting, the others just for holding like the guns. Right. So 1470 01:25:48.199 --> 01:25:51.760 then I started so and so they got around the problem of like if you 1471 01:25:51.800 --> 01:25:56.119 have acceleration in VR and like a first person thing, so that's when you 1472 01:25:56.119 --> 01:25:58.800 get sick, right, right, So they got around it by you warped 1473 01:25:58.800 --> 01:26:00.399 from spot to spot to spot. Like if I want to get where Brad 1474 01:26:00.479 --> 01:26:03.479 is, I just kind of point my cursor at Brad, hit the hit 1475 01:26:03.520 --> 01:26:06.359 the X button. They'll let go and I'll teleport to where Brad is and 1476 01:26:06.359 --> 01:26:10.760 so you're zipping around this train station like that, and then they start encouraging 1477 01:26:10.760 --> 01:26:12.920 you to play with the physics of it. And that's like by itself isn't 1478 01:26:12.920 --> 01:26:15.880 fun. You're shooting people, you're zipping around. It's kind of like a 1479 01:26:15.000 --> 01:26:18.199 by the numbers like VR experience. And then once you figure out like the 1480 01:26:18.199 --> 01:26:24.079 physics of the world what they mean, Like like I was like throwing my 1481 01:26:24.119 --> 01:26:29.279 AK forty seven to like where Brad is teleporting me, catching it out of 1482 01:26:29.319 --> 01:26:32.119 the air, and then shooting people with it. Man, you can flick 1483 01:26:32.279 --> 01:26:35.239 so the accus so the touch knows when your hands are open or closed. 1484 01:26:35.880 --> 01:26:42.159 You could flick bullets back at the enemy like they're like swallow bullet time stuff 1485 01:26:43.239 --> 01:26:46.239 Like the Boston Bullet Train is this huge robot that shoots missiles at you. 1486 01:26:46.239 --> 01:26:50.399 You grab the missiles out of the air and throw it back at Is that 1487 01:26:50.399 --> 01:26:56.119 the demo where they had they had a demo ago where like cars are flipping 1488 01:26:56.159 --> 01:27:00.159 past you and slow motion different a big robot and there they might have changed. 1489 01:27:00.239 --> 01:27:02.359 They might it might be it might have been that that may change it 1490 01:27:02.399 --> 01:27:04.840 to this, right, Okay, but no, Bulltrain is amazing, Like 1491 01:27:05.119 --> 01:27:10.000 uh yeah, Like once you figure out like what the physics mean and those 1492 01:27:10.079 --> 01:27:14.359 mechanics and like the grabbing and the teleporting and the physics of it, it's 1493 01:27:14.359 --> 01:27:16.079 like, oh it's fucking awesome. Yeah that sounds awesome. But it's just 1494 01:27:16.239 --> 01:27:19.840 like the teleporting instead of walking thing. I think it's totally fun. It 1495 01:27:19.880 --> 01:27:23.880 felt powerful, But like, does that seem like something would would you play 1496 01:27:23.880 --> 01:27:26.880 a dozen games where you do that, where that's the primary means of moving 1497 01:27:26.880 --> 01:27:28.920 in every video game? Oh? I don't. I don't think about it 1498 01:27:28.960 --> 01:27:30.119 like that. Like I think like, oh, wow, this is the 1499 01:27:30.199 --> 01:27:35.159 first real like kind of locomotion innovation in VR i've seen. Yeah, and 1500 01:27:35.239 --> 01:27:40.000 of course there's going to be more sure right, like uh yeah, it's 1501 01:27:40.039 --> 01:27:41.640 not like oh if every yeah, of course, if every game does that, 1502 01:27:41.680 --> 01:27:43.760 I'm not gonna want to do it anymore. But like I'm just confident, 1503 01:27:43.840 --> 01:27:45.560 like, oh wow, some really smart people figured this out after monking 1504 01:27:45.640 --> 01:27:48.359 with it for a couple of months. Like that's pretty cool, you know. 1505 01:27:49.800 --> 01:27:54.960 Yeah that thing sounds bulltrain thing sounds that sounds wild. Yeah, that 1506 01:27:54.960 --> 01:27:58.399 does does sound pretty awesome. I now wants to try that. Yeah, 1507 01:27:59.079 --> 01:28:02.439 all right, business minute and a half. Yeah, several minutes. That's 1508 01:28:02.479 --> 01:28:06.439 more like the VR minute. But that's well VR business, Well business and 1509 01:28:06.560 --> 01:28:10.239 VR go together. I guess. I guess she'lling counts this business. I 1510 01:28:10.239 --> 01:28:15.239 guess. So I was shilled out for epic. That's cool, all right, 1511 01:28:15.279 --> 01:28:18.319 Well, uh, there's another big release today. I like to think 1512 01:28:18.319 --> 01:28:20.880 it's a big release, Yeah, because I just spent the last week playing 1513 01:28:20.960 --> 01:28:26.760 it. Rise of the Tomb Rater is out today. Yeah. I a 1514 01:28:26.800 --> 01:28:30.560 review on the site I played through that it's an Xbox One exclusive. You 1515 01:28:30.600 --> 01:28:33.279 may have heard. Yeah, so, I mean you have talked about it 1516 01:28:34.159 --> 01:28:38.119 in this way and it seems like it's they're they're. What they're saying about 1517 01:28:38.159 --> 01:28:41.000 as well, is that there is more rating of tombs and tomb Rater. 1518 01:28:41.239 --> 01:28:43.880 Yeah, it's uh, well, you know, the first game was pretty 1519 01:28:43.920 --> 01:28:46.760 linear, pretty like shoot through these encounters, like climb on these things, 1520 01:28:46.760 --> 01:28:49.079 and the way that we want you to like get from A to B two 1521 01:28:49.079 --> 01:28:53.840 C follow the story. Like this game is way less linear than that. 1522 01:28:54.079 --> 01:28:57.840 I mean, the story is still linear, but there is much more of 1523 01:28:57.880 --> 01:29:01.159 like a like a hesitate to use the word open or the phrase open world, 1524 01:29:01.359 --> 01:29:03.840 but like there are parts of this game that almost feel like an open 1525 01:29:03.880 --> 01:29:06.960 world game, like like way bigger areas, a lot more kind of criss 1526 01:29:06.960 --> 01:29:11.600 crossing paths, and just rounded design, you know, yeah, like mission 1527 01:29:11.640 --> 01:29:14.039 givers that hang out and give you a little side quest to do, like 1528 01:29:14.079 --> 01:29:16.399 it's nothing super involved. I was gonna say, because like the the idea 1529 01:29:16.439 --> 01:29:19.560 of a big round area in a game that was formerly linear almost sounds like 1530 01:29:19.600 --> 01:29:23.520 what Black Ops was trying to do with some of their which I guess we 1531 01:29:23.520 --> 01:29:29.279 haven't talked about Black Ops yet, got more games to talk about. That's 1532 01:29:29.439 --> 01:29:31.279 like they have like that. It seemed like that's how they were gonna do 1533 01:29:31.319 --> 01:29:34.039 co op is like, oh, here's gonna you're gonna bowl out into this 1534 01:29:34.119 --> 01:29:38.159 area and and fight here for a while and then move on. But it 1535 01:29:38.159 --> 01:29:42.239 really seems like it's just the one area that they showed an E three Is 1536 01:29:42.279 --> 01:29:44.720 that right, and the rest is not. This game's got a handful of 1537 01:29:44.760 --> 01:29:46.359 them. I think they call them hubs, like the marketing called them hubs 1538 01:29:46.399 --> 01:29:51.640 or whatever. But there are places you go back to between story beats basically 1539 01:29:51.680 --> 01:29:56.079 like the story beats like kind of happen in smaller, like more tightly designed 1540 01:29:56.159 --> 01:30:00.479 like levels that kind of spoke off of these bigger, bigger area is And 1541 01:30:00.720 --> 01:30:03.920 there's a lot of metroidy type stuff in this game, like you're getting you're 1542 01:30:03.920 --> 01:30:08.199 getting gear onto the ball. Yes, that's the first thing you get. 1543 01:30:08.279 --> 01:30:12.039 Great, can you shoot messals? Uh? Later on? Are there red 1544 01:30:12.079 --> 01:30:16.720 doors? Maybe some of them might be read I'm trying to remember. There 1545 01:30:16.720 --> 01:30:19.079 are a bunch of doors everywhere that you can't get into until it's like, 1546 01:30:19.079 --> 01:30:21.560 oh, these this type of door. Once you get the rope arrows, 1547 01:30:21.600 --> 01:30:25.359 you can shoot an arrow into it and yank it and it'll break over. 1548 01:30:26.039 --> 01:30:28.640 This other type of door you need like explosive arrows to blow up. You 1549 01:30:28.640 --> 01:30:30.760 know, like there's a lot of like, oh, you can't swim through 1550 01:30:30.800 --> 01:30:33.560 these places because you need underwater breathing gear underwater arrows. Yeah, you're just 1551 01:30:33.720 --> 01:30:42.199 say that every single thing was an arrow shot the underwater arrows arrows. Uh. 1552 01:30:42.239 --> 01:30:44.319 You know, like they close a bunch of paths off to you, 1553 01:30:44.399 --> 01:30:46.960 but like tease you with them enough that like the second you get that gear, 1554 01:30:47.000 --> 01:30:48.920 you're like, I want to go back and see what was in those 1555 01:30:48.920 --> 01:30:50.920 places. You know, like a lot of the h a lot of the 1556 01:30:50.920 --> 01:30:54.880 optional tombs are behind stuff like that. Not all of them, some of 1557 01:30:54.920 --> 01:30:56.640 them you can do as soon as you get to them. Yeah, it's 1558 01:30:57.039 --> 01:31:00.600 a lot of backtracking, but like they make it feel worthwhile cool to go 1559 01:31:00.640 --> 01:31:02.640 do that stuff. You can fast travel and stuff. The first game had 1560 01:31:02.640 --> 01:31:06.600 fast travel, but it was not great or just wasn't It doesn't seem valuable, 1561 01:31:06.600 --> 01:31:09.199 Like, right, there was not much reason to ever go back and 1562 01:31:09.199 --> 01:31:12.600 do stuff. Did you do a lot of that you can travel first game? 1563 01:31:12.680 --> 01:31:14.560 Right, Yeah, I love all the optional stuff, all the side 1564 01:31:14.560 --> 01:31:17.039 tims and sad, but I never really went back, right unless you just 1565 01:31:17.079 --> 01:31:19.359 felt like you had to get every achievement in the game. Yeah, Like 1566 01:31:19.399 --> 01:31:23.279 there wasn't a lot of value in traveling back to earlier areas. Uh, 1567 01:31:23.760 --> 01:31:26.560 whereas this game, Like there you see tons of stuff in this game that 1568 01:31:26.600 --> 01:31:29.640 you just straight up cannot do in the context of where you're at in the 1569 01:31:29.640 --> 01:31:32.319 progression and you have to go back. But you know, it's super easy 1570 01:31:32.319 --> 01:31:34.800 to fast travel back and forth. But also like like the world just feels 1571 01:31:34.800 --> 01:31:39.399 a little more alive to me, Like when you go back to older areas, 1572 01:31:39.399 --> 01:31:41.520 like it'll be a different time of day or like there'll be some other 1573 01:31:41.560 --> 01:31:44.560 weather going on, like they've repopulated a lot of the enemy encounters with like 1574 01:31:44.560 --> 01:31:48.560 slightly different enemies and stuff like it seems like a minor thing, but you 1575 01:31:48.600 --> 01:31:50.920 know, yeah, like it kind of makes things feel a little more lively. 1576 01:31:53.800 --> 01:31:56.239 Gosh, what else is there to say, Like, it's just it's 1577 01:31:56.239 --> 01:31:58.640 just a better game overall. Like I found the story a lot more interesting, 1578 01:31:58.840 --> 01:32:01.239 like the reveals the builds up to, like kind of the you know, 1579 01:32:01.279 --> 01:32:05.039 the ancient mystical truths that come into play and stuff like that are are 1580 01:32:05.079 --> 01:32:08.840 handled a little bit better than Animus the whole time. Yep, you got 1581 01:32:08.920 --> 01:32:11.560 it. Yeah, you're that guy. Spoiler warning, You're that guy who 1582 01:32:11.600 --> 01:32:15.399 pieced together all the little trailers and marketing and figured out exact about Desmond Miles 1583 01:32:15.439 --> 01:32:17.840 the whole time. This is where he's been. It's not dead. They 1584 01:32:17.880 --> 01:32:23.760 wanted you to think he was dead. They sold him to Square. Yes, 1585 01:32:24.079 --> 01:32:26.079 that's what they did. I mean, it's just like right across town. 1586 01:32:26.119 --> 01:32:29.279 You know, I got an email from someone at Square that I someone 1587 01:32:29.520 --> 01:32:30.960 in like the mobile end of Square or something like that, that said like, 1588 01:32:31.039 --> 01:32:33.880 hello, I'm I work. It was this crazy emails like I worked 1589 01:32:33.880 --> 01:32:39.119 for Square n X. You may know us as the publishers of Final Fantasy 1590 01:32:39.119 --> 01:32:43.359 and tomb Raider. It was just weird to think of that company introducing themselves 1591 01:32:43.439 --> 01:32:44.960 that. I mean, I guess that's like that's it. Those are like 1592 01:32:45.000 --> 01:32:47.279 the two biggest things that they do, right well, I mean Dragon Quest 1593 01:32:47.439 --> 01:32:51.159 maybe sure, you know, on a worldwide basis, maybe not here someone 1594 01:32:51.239 --> 01:32:54.800 maybe not here these days so much. I guess, I guess those are 1595 01:32:54.840 --> 01:32:56.720 the biggest thing. It was just a weird It was a weird thing of 1596 01:32:56.800 --> 01:32:58.800 like, hey, I'm the guy from Square, you know, the tomb 1597 01:32:58.880 --> 01:33:01.279 Raider. But like it's still it's still a weird feel. It's it's weird 1598 01:33:01.279 --> 01:33:04.640 to hear them building themselves that way after they were out there in the press 1599 01:33:04.680 --> 01:33:09.199 saying that the first tumb Rater was like a disappointment financially, never that well 1600 01:33:09.279 --> 01:33:11.680 yeah, and you know, and Microsoft said like, well, hey, 1601 01:33:11.680 --> 01:33:14.840 well we could use one of those. I guess. So I'm still not 1602 01:33:14.880 --> 01:33:17.159 clear what point Microsoft came into that conversation, though, sure, like you 1603 01:33:17.199 --> 01:33:19.600 have to assume the game was already being done. I mean, it's coming 1604 01:33:19.600 --> 01:33:24.560 out on other platforms, right, I don't know who knows. It's a 1605 01:33:24.600 --> 01:33:27.520 good it's a very good game though. I really enjoyed, like it's just 1606 01:33:27.560 --> 01:33:30.479 a better mix of like you know, the shooting and climbing stuff from the 1607 01:33:30.520 --> 01:33:33.079 first game, but but a lot more exploration, like the tombs are that 1608 01:33:33.079 --> 01:33:36.079 that makes more of them. I'm gonna I'm gonna play some of this game. 1609 01:33:36.119 --> 01:33:39.680 I'm gonna get because like the first tumb Rater really put me off with 1610 01:33:39.760 --> 01:33:44.119 kind of just its initial like quick timiness. Yeah, there's ways of good 1611 01:33:44.119 --> 01:33:45.439 because it was that thing of you know, it is the thing that I 1612 01:33:45.479 --> 01:33:48.239 saw multiple times over the course of the game being promoted, and then it 1613 01:33:48.279 --> 01:33:49.680 was like, you know, one of the first things you see when you 1614 01:33:49.720 --> 01:33:55.039 get is like just kind of shimmying sideways through this tight cave, and it's 1615 01:33:55.079 --> 01:33:58.479 just like I just need to keep holding up. This is barely a game. 1616 01:33:59.319 --> 01:34:01.399 But then I feel that way about the climbing and uncharted a lot of 1617 01:34:01.399 --> 01:34:04.479 the time too, is like there's zero stakes here. I'm never gonna fall. 1618 01:34:04.640 --> 01:34:08.039 I just have to keep pushing up. This gets away from that a 1619 01:34:08.039 --> 01:34:10.199 lot, like like there will be a lot of things like where you like 1620 01:34:10.199 --> 01:34:12.560 you'll have to make a jump to a handhold, but then you have like 1621 01:34:12.880 --> 01:34:15.760 it's not a handhold, it's like a surface you can bury your axe in 1622 01:34:15.840 --> 01:34:17.399 so you have to jump and time it. Okay, Yeah, it feels 1623 01:34:17.399 --> 01:34:20.159 like you're doing something, you know, even though games, Yes, like 1624 01:34:20.199 --> 01:34:24.319 it's still a very tightly constrained like there's only one way to do this, 1625 01:34:24.399 --> 01:34:27.159 but you at least have the time a button press to catch it, you 1626 01:34:27.159 --> 01:34:30.399 know, like it feels like you've got some agency there, even even in 1627 01:34:30.399 --> 01:34:33.720 those sequences debating whether to wait for the PC one or to go ahead the 1628 01:34:33.960 --> 01:34:36.239 Xbox because I have a feeling it's gonna come up in game of the year 1629 01:34:36.239 --> 01:34:39.760 discussion. But I played the last one on PC and it ran great. 1630 01:34:39.960 --> 01:34:42.239 Yeah, and just from seeing the quick look that you did, Brad, 1631 01:34:42.439 --> 01:34:45.079 yeah, it looks gorgeous and I have a feeling it would look great. 1632 01:34:45.079 --> 01:34:47.479 Like the visual design is fantastic in this game. There are parts of this 1633 01:34:47.600 --> 01:34:51.199 that the environments are just like unparalleled, but the animations on yeah, like 1634 01:34:51.279 --> 01:34:54.760 all the well, now, yeah, the animation is really good, except 1635 01:34:54.760 --> 01:34:57.560 for like the way they blend together is kind of jankie in a lot of 1636 01:34:57.640 --> 01:35:01.000 cases, but it's really the environment sign The art design is is just top 1637 01:35:01.039 --> 01:35:04.920 fucking notch uh, And it mostly looks totally fine on the Xbox. But 1638 01:35:04.960 --> 01:35:09.399 there's a few spots where it's like, man, like, the performance is 1639 01:35:09.439 --> 01:35:14.000 not really like living up to what this deserves. I mean generally, like 1640 01:35:14.039 --> 01:35:15.159 if you want to play a new tumb Rator and you've got an Xbox one, 1641 01:35:15.199 --> 01:35:17.399 like you're totally fine to just play it on there probably might have. 1642 01:35:17.600 --> 01:35:21.800 But the PC version is gonna look really good. Have they given a date 1643 01:35:21.840 --> 01:35:26.720 to those? They said, they said, Q one for PC, Q 1644 01:35:26.840 --> 01:35:31.039 four for PS fourth. Yea, it'll be a year away on on the 1645 01:35:31.039 --> 01:35:35.039 PS four but but yeah, it's just it's it's the story is better, 1646 01:35:35.079 --> 01:35:38.960 the like, the mix of action is way better. The exploration is a 1647 01:35:38.960 --> 01:35:42.279 lot more prominent, like it's not just shooting your way through a bunch of 1648 01:35:42.319 --> 01:35:44.960 merks. And then, like you said, like all those all those kind 1649 01:35:45.000 --> 01:35:47.119 of like scripted escape sequences from the first game. You know, it's like 1650 01:35:47.520 --> 01:35:50.880 you're running along this path that's crumbling and you can only go one very specific 1651 01:35:50.880 --> 01:35:55.039 way. You have to kind of predict like where they decided to break up 1652 01:35:55.079 --> 01:35:57.079 the bridge in front of you and just kind of follow that stuff. Like 1653 01:35:57.079 --> 01:36:00.399 there's way less of that cool, way more tumor like it. You know, 1654 01:36:00.399 --> 01:36:02.319 it sounds shitty, but there's way more tomb rating. Yeah, that's 1655 01:36:02.720 --> 01:36:05.239 there were things about the way that she controlled that I that I really appreciate 1656 01:36:05.279 --> 01:36:08.920 it. Yeah, but just yeah, there's some good stuff that it was 1657 01:36:08.960 --> 01:36:11.560 cut with too much of that other like I was, I was showing Dan, 1658 01:36:11.640 --> 01:36:14.319 Like even the combat feels more varied, Like you've got more stealth options, 1659 01:36:14.319 --> 01:36:16.039 you've got more ways to like craft weapons that you can throw dudes and 1660 01:36:16.079 --> 01:36:18.600 stuff. But like there's some really good stuff in there, Like that little 1661 01:36:18.600 --> 01:36:23.319 scramble move that she has. It's not a role necessarily, yeah, you 1662 01:36:23.359 --> 01:36:26.000 know, like it doesn't it doesn't displace you as much as a role in 1663 01:36:26.039 --> 01:36:29.840 most third person game against do you know, Yeah, where you end up 1664 01:36:29.880 --> 01:36:31.199 like you know, kind of ten feet away or whatever. It's just like 1665 01:36:31.199 --> 01:36:34.840 a real quick dodge thing that just gets you out of fire enough to like 1666 01:36:34.880 --> 01:36:38.359 kind of get behind cover and stuff. Like there's some some good stuff there. 1667 01:36:39.840 --> 01:36:43.079 But but yeah, like reviewing quick look up on the site. Should 1668 01:36:43.119 --> 01:36:46.319 go check that stuff out if you're more interested, But I highly recommend it. 1669 01:36:46.399 --> 01:36:49.840 Cool. Uh. I didn't know we had to talk about Black Ops, 1670 01:36:49.880 --> 01:36:54.479 but I guess we have to talk about black It came out Friday, 1671 01:36:54.600 --> 01:36:58.359 right, so we have not had a podcast discussion Black Ops three. I 1672 01:36:58.359 --> 01:37:00.359 didn't. I didn't really just time for that, but let's go. Call 1673 01:37:00.399 --> 01:37:06.520 of block Ops three was released. Yeah, okay, gun game is back. 1674 01:37:08.359 --> 01:37:10.640 There you go. I like gun game game. Yes, gun game 1675 01:37:10.720 --> 01:37:14.119 is good. I think Gun Game is good as well. I think last 1676 01:37:14.199 --> 01:37:15.880 year's a game is better. I think this game has a ton of stuff 1677 01:37:15.880 --> 01:37:17.520 in it, Like it's it's one of the This is a game that like 1678 01:37:17.560 --> 01:37:20.319 you look at on paper and you go, man, they really pulled out 1679 01:37:20.359 --> 01:37:25.840 of the stops, like they they made a second secret campaign that unlocks after 1680 01:37:25.880 --> 01:37:29.720 you beat the first one that is like zombies focused, which has been popular 1681 01:37:29.800 --> 01:37:31.880 for them, but it's incorporated in a way that you still get to do 1682 01:37:31.920 --> 01:37:35.279 the fun stuff movement wise from the campaign. It's not like, well it's 1683 01:37:35.279 --> 01:37:39.560 a noir thing, so stand around, I guess, and become the beast. 1684 01:37:39.760 --> 01:37:42.319 You know. We still have a robot suit and the like story of 1685 01:37:42.319 --> 01:37:48.720 the zombie thing because it's it uses it's an unlockable thing, but it reuses 1686 01:37:49.039 --> 01:37:55.680 the cut scenes from the campaign and they mute all the vo and it's just 1687 01:37:55.840 --> 01:38:01.479 your character talking. It's replaced by like your your character kind of like reminiscing 1688 01:38:01.479 --> 01:38:06.319 about these events to a doctor and but she's talking about like the zombie apocalypse 1689 01:38:06.319 --> 01:38:11.319 and all this other shit. It's just it's this crazy reuse of assets where 1690 01:38:11.319 --> 01:38:13.880 they're able to to you know, you go through the same environments in different 1691 01:38:13.960 --> 01:38:15.760 order, but it's the same basic flow through a level. It's just the 1692 01:38:15.800 --> 01:38:19.479 combat is totally different, and it's like weapon power ups that drop instead of 1693 01:38:19.520 --> 01:38:23.960 you you know, uh, just picking your load out and doing all the 1694 01:38:23.960 --> 01:38:27.560 stuff that you do. It. It's an interesting alternative mode that it's but 1695 01:38:27.600 --> 01:38:30.720 it's like that's just there's free running in this game. There's like a four 1696 01:38:30.760 --> 01:38:32.720 player wave based co op thing. There's you know, there's just you go 1697 01:38:32.840 --> 01:38:35.960 on the list. There's a ton of shit in it. I just don't 1698 01:38:36.319 --> 01:38:41.319 think it's that great. Uh. Did you feel with the campaign? Like 1699 01:38:41.359 --> 01:38:44.640 I feel like there's almost less big set piece call of duty feeling moments. 1700 01:38:44.640 --> 01:38:47.560 I feel like it's more open areas to fight, but it's all kind of 1701 01:38:47.560 --> 01:38:50.159 saying like here's a bunch of robots. No, there's the real tough robot 1702 01:38:50.199 --> 01:38:54.520 guy. And I didn't feel like outside of like you know that flood thing 1703 01:38:54.560 --> 01:38:56.800 from the quick look and like there's this ferris wheel thing that looks kind of 1704 01:38:56.840 --> 01:39:01.000 cool, but it feels like they're trying to really create almost like a Halo 1705 01:39:01.279 --> 01:39:06.000 level of sandboxy puzzley type stuff, because it's like, hey, you have 1706 01:39:06.039 --> 01:39:11.000 these cyber abilities, Uh, go ahead and use those how you see fit 1707 01:39:11.079 --> 01:39:15.119 on these enemies and and try to get through this encounter in a different way 1708 01:39:15.159 --> 01:39:17.920 maybe, but really, once you get the ability to just set off grenades 1709 01:39:17.960 --> 01:39:23.359 in people's pockets or set robots on fire with your mind, so like that 1710 01:39:23.439 --> 01:39:26.840 seems like the ability in that game, with like a few exceptions. Does 1711 01:39:26.920 --> 01:39:30.680 everybody roll around with grenades? Yes? Sure, everyone in this world carries 1712 01:39:30.680 --> 01:39:32.720 a grenade. Even if they've thrown a grenade at you, they've always got 1713 01:39:32.760 --> 01:39:35.800 one to say, bad guys. Maybe grenades aren't a great idea anymore, 1714 01:39:36.199 --> 01:39:40.520 gets the mind soldiers, Uh, you know, leave your grenades at home. 1715 01:39:40.960 --> 01:39:45.720 Uh. It really makes me wish that syndicate had done better and the 1716 01:39:45.760 --> 01:39:51.039 EA had made another syndicate with Starbreeze or something, because this does sound kind 1717 01:39:51.039 --> 01:39:54.760 of like that. Yeah, because you know you're you have abilities like that. 1718 01:39:54.800 --> 01:39:57.199 When it's not the idea of hacking enemies and stuff like that, you 1719 01:39:57.199 --> 01:39:59.640 know, it's it's there are some similarities to be drawn, but you know, 1720 01:39:59.720 --> 01:40:02.159 it's a duty game. I think the mobility stuff is it's okay. 1721 01:40:02.199 --> 01:40:05.560 What was the Giant Bomb company name? Corporate name in syndicate, there's a 1722 01:40:05.600 --> 01:40:11.119 Giant Bomb heavy Industries heavy industry. Yeah. Uh, you know, like 1723 01:40:11.119 --> 01:40:13.079 you were saying, they crammed a bunch of stuff into this game, and 1724 01:40:13.079 --> 01:40:15.159 like split screen was there for campaign and zombies and all that stuff, and 1725 01:40:15.239 --> 01:40:17.479 I was super excited about that. This weekend, me my girlfriend were like, 1726 01:40:17.560 --> 01:40:20.359 let's sit down and just play the entire campaign. And we did split 1727 01:40:20.399 --> 01:40:25.239 screen, but it is not optimized at all for like using the screen real 1728 01:40:25.359 --> 01:40:28.520 estate. You can't read anything. So when you're going to your like loadout 1729 01:40:28.560 --> 01:40:30.079 and stuff, Like, we scooted the couch across the room and I've got 1730 01:40:30.199 --> 01:40:33.760 fifty six HTV, I said, seven feet away from it. There's your 1731 01:40:33.760 --> 01:40:36.479 mistake. Oh okay, get closer, get two feet away from your TV. 1732 01:40:36.479 --> 01:40:40.079 I don't care. I'm bigot. He basically did. We basically pushed 1733 01:40:40.079 --> 01:40:44.199 the cow's probably will fall out. We're probably literally three feet from the TV 1734 01:40:44.560 --> 01:40:46.520 and we're still like, you know, anytime you have to change your cyber 1735 01:40:46.560 --> 01:40:49.439 cores or mess with your load out or read something in your kind of hub 1736 01:40:49.479 --> 01:40:54.760 area between missions, it's completely unreadable and also it takes a huge hit as 1737 01:40:54.760 --> 01:40:58.319 far as frame rate and just you know the details four it's PS four. 1738 01:40:58.319 --> 01:41:01.600 We tried it on PC first, but that was freezing anytime a grenade went 1739 01:41:01.640 --> 01:41:04.239 off. Cool and I've got a really good computer, but I was having 1740 01:41:04.239 --> 01:41:06.840 the menu problem that you had. Yeah, it sounds like there's non issue 1741 01:41:06.880 --> 01:41:10.199 at launch that Yeah, you know that it just wasn't running, right, 1742 01:41:10.279 --> 01:41:12.840 said that was with five zone. I got nice seven and so I don't 1743 01:41:12.920 --> 01:41:15.319 know, we just got some other fun problem it. Yeah, it was 1744 01:41:15.359 --> 01:41:17.319 not working well. So we switched to PS four and the games am I 1745 01:41:17.439 --> 01:41:25.199 right, what's going on? But it's still like it's fun and it's playable, 1746 01:41:25.239 --> 01:41:27.560 like I'm glad I can do split screen with my girlfriend, but it's 1747 01:41:28.319 --> 01:41:31.720 it's not that optimized by Yeah, you know, it's the for me. 1748 01:41:32.479 --> 01:41:36.680 Black Ops has always been where they've done interesting campaign stuff, and this game 1749 01:41:36.720 --> 01:41:40.800 is interesting, but it's like barely tied to the previous the events of the 1750 01:41:40.800 --> 01:41:45.039 previous games directly. It's more like thematically you think about the mind control stuff 1751 01:41:45.079 --> 01:41:49.479 and they're kind of telling those stories, but with Cybernetics. I think Christopher 1752 01:41:49.479 --> 01:41:54.600 Maloney's pretty good in it, yeah, but I think Christoper Malone's just Malone's 1753 01:41:54.640 --> 01:41:59.479 just good. Yeah. I like that guy a lot. He's good and 1754 01:41:59.520 --> 01:42:01.239 stuff. So so that kind of that was like a point in the game's 1755 01:42:01.279 --> 01:42:03.439 favor before. I'm but like, oh wait, this dude to this yeah, 1756 01:42:03.479 --> 01:42:06.479 which I didn't I did not know when I sat down to play it. 1757 01:42:06.479 --> 01:42:09.000 It was just like at the beginning of the game, you know, 1758 01:42:09.079 --> 01:42:13.439 not to play through the first mission, and then your idiot, fucking generic 1759 01:42:13.520 --> 01:42:15.840 military man walks up to this other guy goes, hey, how's it going, 1760 01:42:15.840 --> 01:42:18.119 and then he pulls back and you're like, oh shit, that's Christopher. 1761 01:42:19.199 --> 01:42:23.079 Which that reminds me another thing in coop. You can't pause the game 1762 01:42:23.119 --> 01:42:25.760 and coop, so that the part where Christopher Maloney is sitting on a train 1763 01:42:25.800 --> 01:42:29.359 at the very beginning explaining something to you, we both like tried to pause 1764 01:42:29.439 --> 01:42:31.960 to go do something and came back later and it's like, wait, why 1765 01:42:31.960 --> 01:42:34.520 are we in this hub area and it says we beat the mission or whatever, 1766 01:42:34.760 --> 01:42:38.479 and they keep alluding to this big thing that happened at the beginning when 1767 01:42:38.520 --> 01:42:41.119 chrispher Maloney was talking to you, and we're like, what is this train 1768 01:42:41.199 --> 01:42:43.880 thing they keep referring to because we did not see it at all, because 1769 01:42:43.920 --> 01:42:46.119 apparently it does not register as a pause even when both people pause in the 1770 01:42:46.159 --> 01:42:49.439 co op flit screen. Weird. Yeah, that's that's a bummer. I 1771 01:42:49.479 --> 01:42:53.359 have to say, I only watched it over your shoulder a little bit. 1772 01:42:53.439 --> 01:42:56.840 Yeah, I don't think that fake Christopher Maloney looks quite as good as fake 1773 01:42:56.880 --> 01:43:00.680 Kevin Spacey did. Pretty it's pretty good. It's not bad. Like, 1774 01:43:00.680 --> 01:43:03.479 don't get me wrong, I've seen worse, like digital celebrities or what you 1775 01:43:03.479 --> 01:43:06.760 were saying at the eyes. Yeah, like the eyeline of the eyeline stuff 1776 01:43:06.880 --> 01:43:11.000 is weird because all those cut scenes are all real time, so you can 1777 01:43:11.039 --> 01:43:15.159 still look around and move, but you can't move completely. But you do 1778 01:43:15.239 --> 01:43:16.960 get some opportunities to move a little bit, or at least move the camera 1779 01:43:17.000 --> 01:43:19.600 around. Yeah, it's like if you're looking the camera just right, the 1780 01:43:19.600 --> 01:43:23.760 island lines up perfectly by default. Yeah, that's a game where you end 1781 01:43:23.840 --> 01:43:26.800 up with like cut scenes that are happening with your back their backs to you, 1782 01:43:26.880 --> 01:43:30.159 because you know you still have full movement control while these characters are talking. 1783 01:43:30.319 --> 01:43:31.359 I mean a lot a lot of games do handle having people look you 1784 01:43:31.439 --> 01:43:34.239 in the eye pretty well, even as even as you move around them. 1785 01:43:34.239 --> 01:43:38.119 But I have to go back and look at advanced warfare. Maybe that aspect 1786 01:43:38.119 --> 01:43:40.359 of it wasn't great. Also, Kevin Spacey's not in that game a ton, 1787 01:43:41.239 --> 01:43:45.119 I guess not, though it seems worth good. But a lot of 1788 01:43:45.119 --> 01:43:46.479 those were pre rendered even in some yea, yeah, you're some of them 1789 01:43:46.600 --> 01:43:49.680 sort of different, some of them were thing but good on Christopher Maloney though, 1790 01:43:49.720 --> 01:43:54.159 man running in that crowd. You know, well, now you are, 1791 01:43:54.199 --> 01:43:56.880 you are headlining a call of duty, but like you know, at 1792 01:43:56.960 --> 01:43:59.760 what cost, like you know what like two years too late? You know, 1793 01:44:00.079 --> 01:44:02.119 just like this well I well, I mean more than like to follow 1794 01:44:02.199 --> 01:44:05.079 up a guy like Kevin Spacey who was like well respected actor, Like that's 1795 01:44:05.079 --> 01:44:10.199 a that's that seems yeah, it's I you know, this game reminds me 1796 01:44:10.239 --> 01:44:15.199 a lot of Call of Duty ghosts in like in that it's it wasn't certainly 1797 01:44:15.239 --> 01:44:17.960 a call of duty game and does seemed like a nice thing to say. 1798 01:44:18.199 --> 01:44:26.079 Yeah, I like is bad. Ghost is not bad. I think on 1799 01:44:26.119 --> 01:44:29.279 the scale of good to bad, the call of Duty it is down there. 1800 01:44:29.319 --> 01:44:31.720 People like Ghost is the most negative I've heard people be about a Call 1801 01:44:31.760 --> 01:44:34.279 of Duty in a very long time. But Ghost did have the Snoop Dogg 1802 01:44:34.359 --> 01:44:39.640 voice pack, so it kind of wins some points back, there's what's the 1803 01:44:39.640 --> 01:44:42.199 lowest market? Yea, I assume we're counting that in the evaluation. I 1804 01:44:42.199 --> 01:44:44.600 assume that, well, it wasn't available to launch, so it wasn't you 1805 01:44:44.640 --> 01:44:46.399 know, it wasn't factored in the review. Times you update the review though, 1806 01:44:46.479 --> 01:44:48.800 No, I did not mean because I find that's super useful. Like 1807 01:44:48.880 --> 01:44:51.479 when I'm thinking about a game six months after it launched, I I'll always 1808 01:44:51.520 --> 01:44:55.600 want to know what people think about it after, like really really part of 1809 01:44:55.640 --> 01:44:59.439 the current actual like thoughts about this game. What did they date is their 1810 01:44:59.439 --> 01:45:01.319 opinion chain? I gotta know. I find it super useful. Yeah, 1811 01:45:01.359 --> 01:45:03.479 that's why we have the podcast so we can come back, you know, 1812 01:45:03.760 --> 01:45:06.600 three years later and go ghosts am I right, and then move on. 1813 01:45:06.640 --> 01:45:10.079 It's just you were kind of ghosts am I right then if I remember, 1814 01:45:10.119 --> 01:45:13.119 No, yeah, totally, that's my prevailing memory of it. Was like 1815 01:45:13.159 --> 01:45:15.399 everybody was very underwhelmed with that. I put that on my time. I 1816 01:45:15.479 --> 01:45:17.600 put that pretty high my top tesla did. Yeah, I really liked that 1817 01:45:17.640 --> 01:45:20.479 game. It's it's a Call of Duty game, but I just they make 1818 01:45:20.520 --> 01:45:24.640 one a year and that was that Church slid off into a cliff Man. 1819 01:45:25.399 --> 01:45:29.239 That was that was pretty cool. Was pretty cool. Yeah, it was 1820 01:45:29.279 --> 01:45:32.079 all grave shit. But like the end of that campaign and then like there 1821 01:45:32.079 --> 01:45:36.319 were no UAVs. That Satcom stuff I thought was was a little like I 1822 01:45:36.359 --> 01:45:43.039 understand they got to change it up, but man, no, uh So, 1823 01:45:43.560 --> 01:45:45.840 anyway, this is a lot like Ghosts and that they've made another Call 1824 01:45:45.840 --> 01:45:48.920 of Duty game, and if you're up for that, like it's it's a 1825 01:45:49.199 --> 01:45:53.520 there are there's quality there. You see the money on the screen. They 1826 01:45:53.680 --> 01:45:57.239 they spent the budget and then some I'm sure you know, like it's or 1827 01:45:57.319 --> 01:46:00.199 whatever. It's there's a lot of fucking game there. But I think the 1828 01:46:00.239 --> 01:46:04.560 movement in advanced warfare is just better. So like the multiplayer, I think 1829 01:46:04.560 --> 01:46:08.840 it's more fun there. Across the board, it's better. Yeah, yeah, 1830 01:46:08.880 --> 01:46:11.680 there's nothing Black Ops he does I think better than warfare. I think 1831 01:46:11.720 --> 01:46:14.600 advanced warfare is it's a it's generally a better campaign. I also think that 1832 01:46:14.720 --> 01:46:15.479 like you know, if you look at Black Ops two, what they did 1833 01:46:15.520 --> 01:46:18.680 with like the branching campaign, and just like well like cool moments of just 1834 01:46:18.720 --> 01:46:21.359 like oh you shot this guy here and this happened, or you know, 1835 01:46:21.359 --> 01:46:26.079 it's like stuff that they've done in Black Ops previously that this is. This 1836 01:46:26.119 --> 01:46:31.319 just seems like exceedingly linear and exceedingly set in stone in a way that is 1837 01:46:31.399 --> 01:46:35.760 disappointing. It was Black Ops two, the one that had like the RTS. 1838 01:46:35.840 --> 01:46:39.840 Yes, those missions they were terrible because I stopped. I played Black 1839 01:46:39.880 --> 01:46:42.520 Ops two and I was really digging it, especially like the branching stuff, 1840 01:46:42.800 --> 01:46:45.439 and I got to that first RTS mission and I tried it twice and I 1841 01:46:45.439 --> 01:46:46.920 couldn't beat it. I've never played. It was just broken. You had 1842 01:46:46.960 --> 01:46:49.640 you had to do everything yourself to pass those missions, like you could never 1843 01:46:49.640 --> 01:46:54.199 rely on your your your AI guys. You're supposed to be like, hey, 1844 01:46:54.319 --> 01:46:57.159 this team, go protect point A, but you pretty much just have 1845 01:46:57.239 --> 01:47:00.600 to run between every point everything. And that was the only way through that. 1846 01:47:00.600 --> 01:47:01.600 So I don't know if they patched that later or not, but that 1847 01:47:01.720 --> 01:47:03.359 we did do an update to it, and I was like, I should 1848 01:47:03.399 --> 01:47:05.600 go back and check that OCS. I really liked that game. And then 1849 01:47:05.640 --> 01:47:09.039 just you know, yeah, right, it's just like who who has time, 1850 01:47:09.079 --> 01:47:11.039 but everything else in the campaign was pretty cool, I thought. In 1851 01:47:11.119 --> 01:47:14.600 Black Ops two, yeah, and I think that Black Ops three's story goes 1852 01:47:14.680 --> 01:47:19.560 some interesting places, like places the franchise has never gone before. But at 1853 01:47:19.560 --> 01:47:23.199 the same time, you know, the stories a little straightforward, and I 1854 01:47:23.199 --> 01:47:27.319 think, like, like, the nicest thing I say about it is that 1855 01:47:27.359 --> 01:47:32.079 they seemed to lift major story beats at both the beginning and end of the 1856 01:47:32.119 --> 01:47:36.119 game from RoboCop. Like the nicest thing I could say about it is that 1857 01:47:36.159 --> 01:47:43.399 it reminded me of RoboCop twice, so pretty good on the scale, pretty 1858 01:47:43.640 --> 01:47:47.960 good about RoboCop multiple times. Today. It was a good day. But 1859 01:47:48.119 --> 01:47:54.920 yeah, you know, it's it's like Ghosts and I'm all in. I 1860 01:47:54.960 --> 01:47:58.600 liked Advanced Warfare a lot, a lot, a lot, and I don't 1861 01:47:58.600 --> 01:48:00.159 know that I'll play much more of this. I think it's the weakest Black 1862 01:48:00.159 --> 01:48:03.880 Ops for sure. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean Black Ops 1863 01:48:03.880 --> 01:48:06.319 one was. I mean, they put Treyarch on the map when at a 1864 01:48:06.359 --> 01:48:10.279 time when the franchise desperately needed something like that, you know, that was 1865 01:48:10.439 --> 01:48:14.000 huge. You know, they're like the everyone talks about the numbers, even 1866 01:48:14.000 --> 01:48:15.359 people, you know, people shit all over Call of Duty. Campaigns like 1867 01:48:15.359 --> 01:48:18.760 who employs that go? That's right, everyone fucking talked about that dampaign. 1868 01:48:18.800 --> 01:48:23.039 Everyone fucking played that campaign. People were excited about that stuff. Yeah, 1869 01:48:23.039 --> 01:48:25.399 and then they you know, they with all the branching stuff, like they 1870 01:48:25.880 --> 01:48:30.520 seemed poised to take Call of Duty campaigns in a fresh new direction after Black 1871 01:48:30.520 --> 01:48:32.720 Ops two, and then the game after that was just like right back to 1872 01:48:32.840 --> 01:48:36.840 just like man with the word follow written over his head and that's what follow 1873 01:48:36.920 --> 01:48:40.840 him. I wonder if they got cold feet with doing weird stuff like that 1874 01:48:40.880 --> 01:48:44.880 because of the reception to those RTS missions. I don't know, maybe or 1875 01:48:44.880 --> 01:48:46.359 maybe just you know, it just sounds like there are so many different things 1876 01:48:46.359 --> 01:48:49.439 in this game. Maybe they couldn't just focus as much on right, maybe 1877 01:48:49.920 --> 01:48:53.000 like the raw thing of like the numbers, they're just like you know, 1878 01:48:53.119 --> 01:48:55.880 the numbers, Mason, The numbers say we shouldn't invest in the campaign as 1879 01:48:55.920 --> 01:49:00.279 heavily as we did last time. I don't know. There's definitely big moments 1880 01:49:00.279 --> 01:49:04.600 in the campaign. Uh, and yeah, there's some that's there's some weird 1881 01:49:04.600 --> 01:49:08.600 shit in that game in the same way that Black Ops one had it, 1882 01:49:09.119 --> 01:49:15.840 but in a futuristic Cyberman context that I think is like pretty fun for what 1883 01:49:15.920 --> 01:49:18.960 it is, but playing the game is just it's flat. It's all flat. 1884 01:49:19.039 --> 01:49:21.439 I think it's it's a good game, but it's probably like a bottom 1885 01:49:21.479 --> 01:49:26.520 three Call of Duty for me. I'd say it's this Ghosts and three or 1886 01:49:26.600 --> 01:49:30.399 my three lowest. Probably World at War was a war is like that's a 1887 01:49:30.399 --> 01:49:33.960 contender, but yeah, three, I don't. I don't like three much 1888 01:49:34.000 --> 01:49:36.439 at all. But actually, I mean I never I didn't really get into 1889 01:49:36.479 --> 01:49:40.000 that franchise until four came out. Okay, yeah, one, two and 1890 01:49:40.000 --> 01:49:42.399 three, Like I recognized them as quality products when they came out. It 1891 01:49:42.439 --> 01:49:45.279 was just like, man, there's some fucking awesome, crazy next level shooter 1892 01:49:45.279 --> 01:49:47.119 shit going on. But I remember, you know, we talked about it 1893 01:49:47.359 --> 01:49:50.000 every time it comes up. But I remember the E three when they showed 1894 01:49:50.079 --> 01:49:55.199 Call of Duty four, and when Jason Ocampo came back from his appointment at 1895 01:49:55.199 --> 01:49:58.399 game Spot and he was just like, you need to fucking go see Call 1896 01:49:58.479 --> 01:50:01.439 a fucking Duty. Like you just like, yeah, eyed in a way 1897 01:50:01.439 --> 01:50:05.960 that was insane. It's like, no, you need to. And then 1898 01:50:06.039 --> 01:50:09.399 I went and saw it and I was like no, yep, you're right, 1899 01:50:10.920 --> 01:50:14.640 yep, absolutely, And then that game came out and was fucking killer 1900 01:50:14.680 --> 01:50:18.720 man. Wow, they should you want to do business with Activision, Go 1901 01:50:18.760 --> 01:50:23.159 convince them that someone needs to remake Call of Duty four. Make it Red 1902 01:50:23.239 --> 01:50:26.319 dawnny your Yeah, even more Red Dawn the same, Yeah, a little 1903 01:50:26.319 --> 01:50:30.359 more Red Dawn. Yeah, let's go just multiplayer only, just those maps. 1904 01:50:30.399 --> 01:50:31.800 Just say whatever, we're gonna make those maps, but look good. 1905 01:50:32.520 --> 01:50:35.399 The same James, the whole pitch, same tell me need nine bucks, 1906 01:50:35.520 --> 01:50:38.960 same rules, Just nine bucks. Yeah, that's all you needs to tell 1907 01:50:39.239 --> 01:50:42.840 right, you're just uppressing existing maps. It comes for free. I don't 1908 01:50:42.840 --> 01:50:45.600 give him a game, and he's getting nine bucks. Yeah. You say, 1909 01:50:45.680 --> 01:50:47.399 like, I don't know. We shut down, don't call here anymore. 1910 01:50:47.600 --> 01:50:53.840 That opened up a new company. Uh huh, Iron Galaxy get them. 1911 01:50:53.960 --> 01:50:55.479 Yeah. I like the way this is going. This is smart. 1912 01:50:55.520 --> 01:50:58.720 There's nothing wrong with this plane at all. This is everyone scams money out 1913 01:50:58.760 --> 01:51:00.640 of me. Boy on the phone, Yeah, okay, what could go 1914 01:51:00.680 --> 01:51:08.520 wrong? Hey, what's your name, son Murphy? Wrong? Your name 1915 01:51:08.600 --> 01:51:15.520 is news. Let's move on. It's a news Okay, that's waiting for 1916 01:51:15.560 --> 01:51:19.439 improved already. Uh yeah, you're not getting anything out of me for your 1917 01:51:19.520 --> 01:51:25.680 RoboCop transition. Fine, go, fine, that's a mobocop Callmack. I 1918 01:51:25.680 --> 01:51:29.039 think you pick up on that. Yep, uh, he said Murphy, 1919 01:51:29.239 --> 01:51:33.199 he did, that was his name. I know they talk about this on 1920 01:51:33.239 --> 01:51:38.479 the Beast Cast a lot already, and maybe we should decide officially what we 1921 01:51:38.520 --> 01:51:42.800 want to do about rehashing from the things. We're here to say them, 1922 01:51:43.039 --> 01:51:45.600 we've been here longer than that thing. We'll be here after they're going, 1923 01:51:45.800 --> 01:51:50.079 Yeah, that's right, flash in the Pan New York podcast this year's Giant 1924 01:51:50.079 --> 01:51:57.079 Bombs Chicago. Yeah, after after, long after the bombs fall. We've 1925 01:51:57.079 --> 01:52:00.800 got a vault lined up. We'll figure it out. Uh yeah, well 1926 01:52:00.800 --> 01:52:03.600 I know that they talked about the the Activision King acquisition. Yeah, at 1927 01:52:03.640 --> 01:52:10.119 length. They are card king and armor King. They got they got the 1928 01:52:10.119 --> 01:52:14.239 market sewn up, all the costumes on Army single one. The woman spikes 1929 01:52:14.279 --> 01:52:18.199 on the fucking shoulder things amazing. Bobby Codick owns all the leopard men now. 1930 01:52:18.359 --> 01:52:23.479 Bobby Kodick throws people into volcanoes like three days a week, like he 1931 01:52:23.600 --> 01:52:27.560 is. That man is like the living embodiment of Hey Hachi. He just 1932 01:52:27.600 --> 01:52:30.159 doesn't have he doesn't hasn't grown the hair yet. Yeah. Do you think 1933 01:52:30.199 --> 01:52:33.119 he styles his hair out towards Ailie at night when nobody's when no one's around, 1934 01:52:33.439 --> 01:52:39.119 when no one's around, it does it naturally, he's suppressing it. 1935 01:52:39.119 --> 01:52:42.039 It just it pops out. And then he looks in the mirror and goes, 1936 01:52:42.159 --> 01:52:45.239 I was in Moneyball and then just like throws dudes into volcanoes. Does 1937 01:52:45.279 --> 01:52:49.439 that make like Zampella like devil Gin? Yeah? Pretty much cast out? 1938 01:52:49.680 --> 01:52:55.560 Yeah, pretty good. Oh man, I don't really know what to say. 1939 01:52:55.520 --> 01:53:01.960 Yeah, they probably they paid just I have six billion dollars to acquire 1940 01:53:02.039 --> 01:53:08.000 candy crush maker King, which Austin gets into a lot of detail on the 1941 01:53:08.000 --> 01:53:14.760 side about nerd. I thought the business minute was over. If you if 1942 01:53:14.760 --> 01:53:16.600 you no longer become aroused with the thought of six billion dollars, I don't 1943 01:53:16.600 --> 01:53:20.279 know what to tell you. It's only half cash, and that cash was 1944 01:53:20.319 --> 01:53:24.640 off shorecast dodging the tax. But that's that's a lot of the detail that 1945 01:53:24.680 --> 01:53:27.760 Austin gets into in the story. Yeah, they they saved themselves about a 1946 01:53:27.800 --> 01:53:32.760 billion dollars in federal taxes by buying foreign interests with that money rather than bringing 1947 01:53:32.800 --> 01:53:36.479 it back into the US. Yeah, So I guess make that what you 1948 01:53:36.520 --> 01:53:42.239 will the American way. Yeah, yeah, so yeah, I mean this 1949 01:53:42.359 --> 01:53:46.600 gets some a ton of users. This seems like, this seems like the 1950 01:53:46.640 --> 01:53:54.399 sort of thing that rounds out their portfolio. And you know, I was 1951 01:53:54.439 --> 01:53:58.680 talking to Stan who we work with here on some some business stuff for about 1952 01:53:58.720 --> 01:54:00.319 Giant Bomb and kind of asked him has taken He was just like, yeah, 1953 01:54:00.359 --> 01:54:02.760 this, you know, this is like like Wall Street will probably eat 1954 01:54:02.760 --> 01:54:08.680 this ship up totally. Business Insider ran a nice little pie chart that was 1955 01:54:08.760 --> 01:54:14.159 very illustrative because currently the mobile share of Activision's revenue was a tiny little sliver. 1956 01:54:14.479 --> 01:54:15.720 Yeah. I mean what they did Skylanders, that did Guitar Hero, 1957 01:54:15.840 --> 01:54:18.439 but those are like they sell those as like full price products. They're not 1958 01:54:18.439 --> 01:54:21.439 playing in the mobile space in the free to play end of it the way 1959 01:54:21.479 --> 01:54:26.960 that everyone else. It's also in territories that don't matter, like like the 1960 01:54:27.039 --> 01:54:29.920 US, US doesn't really matter, right, It's like you want to be 1961 01:54:30.000 --> 01:54:32.239 Japan, you want to be Korea, you know, by Asia, China, 1962 01:54:32.600 --> 01:54:35.560 like that's where you need to be and that's why they did it. 1963 01:54:35.640 --> 01:54:39.039 So yeah, so the before and after pie chart of this thing was like 1964 01:54:39.159 --> 01:54:44.560 very visually instructive because like even just combining King current revenue into their kind of 1965 01:54:44.680 --> 01:54:48.399 total offering just outside of even revenue. Like if now you have access to 1966 01:54:49.159 --> 01:54:54.199 like the entire world of game players. Yeah, like before you didn't have 1967 01:54:54.239 --> 01:54:58.279 Asia exactly exactly. Yeah, but yeah, it brings mobile into their portfolio 1968 01:54:58.319 --> 01:55:00.159 in a way that it absolutely was not before. Yeah, a third pillar, 1969 01:55:00.199 --> 01:55:03.720 if you will. Yes, indeed, business all the slices of the 1970 01:55:03.720 --> 01:55:08.800 pie we're the same size you right there? I love bus. What's Bobby 1971 01:55:08.840 --> 01:55:15.279 Codick's favorite pie? It's pie a mud pie. Uh yeah, you can 1972 01:55:15.319 --> 01:55:17.840 go read this new story and look at lava on a Graham cracker crust. 1973 01:55:17.920 --> 01:55:21.880 Oh geez, check out all of the business figures, the dollar amounts. 1974 01:55:23.159 --> 01:55:26.319 Spent too long to think about what his actual favorite pie is. Yeah, 1975 01:55:26.439 --> 01:55:29.000 but he got I don't got nothing. There's an answer, though you ever 1976 01:55:29.039 --> 01:55:31.079 met him? No, what do you think you ever will? No? 1977 01:55:31.239 --> 01:55:34.680 No, no, you don't run in those circles. I I think the 1978 01:55:34.720 --> 01:55:39.479 people I didner face with are two levels below Bobby. Okay, yeah, 1979 01:55:39.479 --> 01:55:44.720 that's pretty good. That's only a couple of rungs. Let's just say keep 1980 01:55:44.760 --> 01:55:47.359 climbing the ladder. Yeah, we'll see like good and what way? Like, 1981 01:55:47.399 --> 01:55:50.319 what is this world? I don't like that's the end goal to get 1982 01:55:50.359 --> 01:55:53.920 to me. The best thing about like meat and CEOs like that and being 1983 01:55:54.000 --> 01:55:57.079 tight with like like I'm really tight with like CEO of this company or that 1984 01:55:57.119 --> 01:56:00.800 company. Yeah, is your dinners are awesome, Like your business dinners are 1985 01:56:00.800 --> 01:56:05.920 fucking rad. It's amazingly Bobby Kodick doesn't go to fucking eyehop man, it's 1986 01:56:05.960 --> 01:56:10.000 pretty cool. Oh he doesn't. He doesn't know what he's missing. Yeah, 1987 01:56:10.039 --> 01:56:14.359 you know their holiday menus coming up. It's true, it is true. 1988 01:56:14.359 --> 01:56:15.039 It's good to have options. Let me just say it like that. 1989 01:56:15.159 --> 01:56:19.520 Yes, that is true. Now Activision has four hundred and seventy four million 1990 01:56:19.720 --> 01:56:29.359 more options in the form of King's user base. M let's move on Overwatch. 1991 01:56:29.720 --> 01:56:32.960 Remember that. Yeah, it's that new Blizzard first person shooter that everybody 1992 01:56:32.960 --> 01:56:36.560 thought was free to play, except it's not. It's coming out for money. 1993 01:56:38.159 --> 01:56:42.960 Yeah, it's going to be forty dollars for the base package on the 1994 01:56:43.000 --> 01:56:46.079 PC. Okay, sixty dollars on the consoles, which I guess was not 1995 01:56:46.199 --> 01:56:51.239 officially announced, although come on, yeah, it seemed pretty obvious that was 1996 01:56:51.359 --> 01:56:57.279 gonna happen, that that thing would end up on the current consoles, So 1997 01:56:57.319 --> 01:57:01.000 it'll be sixty bucks on on Xbox and PS four for the looks like they're 1998 01:57:01.000 --> 01:57:04.239 calling it the Origins Edition, and that will also exist on PC for six. 1999 01:57:04.479 --> 01:57:06.720 So it looks like, yes, you can get to go the Way 2000 01:57:06.760 --> 01:57:11.960 of the Skins and get all that extra stuff or whatever. So I understand 2001 01:57:12.000 --> 01:57:14.359 this correctly. It looks like even the forty dollars based version on the PC 2002 01:57:14.560 --> 01:57:16.960 will have all twenty one heroes in it. So they are and they're calling 2003 01:57:16.960 --> 01:57:19.760 them heroes. Uh, that's the type of game they're making. I don't 2004 01:57:19.760 --> 01:57:23.680 know if that's official nomenclature. That's the thing that Call of Duty Black Ops 2005 01:57:23.680 --> 01:57:26.640 three does that kind of just slightly, doesn't. They call them specialists. 2006 01:57:26.640 --> 01:57:29.840 But they're trying to they're trying to come up with a brandle a name for 2007 01:57:30.000 --> 01:57:32.119 their well, they're trying to establish characters in a mobilike way. Okay, 2008 01:57:32.199 --> 01:57:35.880 like these characters have these abilities, especially when so in their esports mode there 2009 01:57:35.920 --> 01:57:39.920 are picks and bands. When you told me and that thing, I was 2010 01:57:40.000 --> 01:57:43.640 like, I don't I don't know, man, it's yeah, that that 2011 01:57:43.800 --> 01:57:45.439 is something that I look at and go like, obviously, yeah, you 2012 01:57:45.479 --> 01:57:49.079 want to be an esports thing. But at some point I feel like they're 2013 01:57:49.199 --> 01:57:53.640 they're going into that direction at the expense of the rest of the player base. 2014 01:57:54.399 --> 01:57:58.720 A lot of a lot of attempts at forced esports this year. Uh 2015 01:57:58.760 --> 01:58:01.159 huh, Well, I think that's how everyone sets out when they plan to 2016 01:58:01.159 --> 01:58:03.720 do their esports. The thing they sit down, they play, let's try 2017 01:58:03.720 --> 01:58:06.920 to force an esports, right, everyone sets out fail. You can't. 2018 01:58:08.000 --> 01:58:10.680 Amazing, Yeah, you can't. You can't force it. You gotta let 2019 01:58:10.680 --> 01:58:15.399 it grow organically. The community will decide like that if you want to fuck 2020 01:58:15.520 --> 01:58:19.079 up, like the like on the e sports tip it is, bring your 2021 01:58:19.119 --> 01:58:24.760 unreleased game two packs and fucking announcers shouting over it. Yeah. Yeah. 2022 01:58:24.880 --> 01:58:28.920 And also I just well, I guess Doda proves that I was gonna say, 2023 01:58:28.960 --> 01:58:30.840 don't have weird fantasy shit in your fucking esports game. But I guess 2024 01:58:30.840 --> 01:58:33.319 Doda and League and smider all that. I feel like when it comes to 2025 01:58:33.359 --> 01:58:38.479 like action games, it just doesn't read to me like evolved specifically, Like 2026 01:58:38.479 --> 01:58:40.439 you look at that game as like, you know, the way they were 2027 01:58:40.479 --> 01:58:42.359 trying to say, like this is gonna be a big esports things, like 2028 01:58:42.359 --> 01:58:45.079 the fuck it is? What are you talking about? No? What do 2029 01:58:45.079 --> 01:58:48.039 you mean fantasy though in that context, I mean in context of like I 2030 01:58:48.079 --> 01:58:53.560 feel like the sports are best when parts of them resemble a sports sport I 2031 01:58:53.640 --> 01:58:58.279 see, I see as opposed to just saying the competition here. You know, 2032 01:58:58.399 --> 01:59:00.760 so like Rocket League, yes rocket well no, well yes, like 2033 01:59:00.880 --> 01:59:05.880 Rocket League Monday Night Combat. Yeah, Like I feel like that's that's can 2034 01:59:05.920 --> 01:59:09.560 be a way to go to just make that stuff make sense, even DODA. 2035 01:59:09.680 --> 01:59:12.399 You know, it's like they have the casting, the scores at the 2036 01:59:12.439 --> 01:59:15.039 top of the screen, the timer, you know, like the things that 2037 01:59:15.399 --> 01:59:18.399 even even good field of stuff, like the custom banners you can have around 2038 01:59:18.439 --> 01:59:21.039 the world that show which team is on which side and stuff. Yeah, 2039 01:59:21.039 --> 01:59:25.960 that's that's one that well whatever, I'm you know, what's the new Sony 2040 01:59:26.039 --> 01:59:29.479 one, like you're talking, yeah, yeah, yeah. The Riggs has 2041 01:59:29.520 --> 01:59:30.920 the look of a thing they're gonna try and make like a vr E sports 2042 01:59:30.960 --> 01:59:33.640 thingy, And they said as much, I guess, but like it just 2043 01:59:34.239 --> 01:59:36.640 yeah, I don't know, like whatever, you can only go so far 2044 01:59:36.680 --> 01:59:40.560 with future sports before that looks corny too. I'm not saying like make everything 2045 01:59:40.600 --> 01:59:45.720 cyber sports, but at the same time, I just yeah, just just 2046 01:59:46.279 --> 01:59:49.039 let let it let the community form. Just make it. Just make a 2047 01:59:49.039 --> 01:59:54.239 good ass game that is properly competitive, and support and foster that community from 2048 01:59:54.239 --> 01:59:57.239 the ground up. Don't don't come in going like its gonna be big, 2049 01:59:57.319 --> 02:00:03.000 that's adorable, so cute. Yeah this marketing teams. Stop stop marketing teams. 2050 02:00:04.119 --> 02:00:08.359 Let's just let's let's make a game, not spend any money launching it, 2051 02:00:08.880 --> 02:00:14.199 and just that way launching it. Let's do that, but get it 2052 02:00:14.239 --> 02:00:17.119 in front of people, like set the stage for it, but don't tell 2053 02:00:17.199 --> 02:00:21.319 people. Don't trying to preten you're trying. All you're doing when you're saying 2054 02:00:21.359 --> 02:00:24.880 those things, you're trying to pre select an audience, right and say, 2055 02:00:25.039 --> 02:00:27.640 hey, I think if you like this thing, you might like this thing. 2056 02:00:27.680 --> 02:00:30.680 That's all you're saying, right, You're trying to give yourself make sure 2057 02:00:30.680 --> 02:00:31.880 the right audience is like, oh, I haven't interest in this thing, 2058 02:00:31.920 --> 02:00:34.560 I should check it out. That doesn't mean they're not I don't think it's 2059 02:00:34.560 --> 02:00:39.000 ship yeah, but that that audience in particular is super protective of it's scene 2060 02:00:39.199 --> 02:00:43.159 and is very skittish about the appearance of like sleazy suits coming in trying to 2061 02:00:43.159 --> 02:00:46.840 I mean, fighting games I'm familiar with this, but also at the same 2062 02:00:46.840 --> 02:00:49.199 time, I would say that, like the sports has been sleazy suits from 2063 02:00:49.279 --> 02:00:54.000 day one. That's fair. There when when it was like fucking people playing 2064 02:00:54.039 --> 02:00:56.479 Quake for money, it was like people going like this is gonna be on 2065 02:00:56.560 --> 02:00:58.439 TV? Is the next poke? Or this could be this? Well, 2066 02:00:58.640 --> 02:01:00.520 I mean that was largely like the people try to organize around it. Yes, 2067 02:01:00.640 --> 02:01:03.199 not the people playing it necessarily. I mean the notion that, like 2068 02:01:03.479 --> 02:01:08.600 Legan Doda is this organic thing. They're just people that exploited this warcraft mod. 2069 02:01:09.000 --> 02:01:11.239 It's all like, good, it's not this thing. It's like, 2070 02:01:11.600 --> 02:01:15.279 dude, Doda, Doda is as grassroots as he could possibly get. Like 2071 02:01:15.319 --> 02:01:20.000 it is literally a mod that became popular in the Internet cafes as a competitive 2072 02:01:20.039 --> 02:01:24.800 thing. Doda. Yeah, yeah, Doda. Two well, lego legends, 2073 02:01:25.119 --> 02:01:28.960 which are completely different things. Sure, our exploitations on that organic thing. 2074 02:01:29.560 --> 02:01:31.199 They found those audiences and they said, hey, bro, if you 2075 02:01:31.279 --> 02:01:34.439 like this thing, check out my version of it. But they no, 2076 02:01:34.600 --> 02:01:40.159 but bullshit. They were almost completely literally making that. Remember when they went 2077 02:01:40.199 --> 02:01:43.720 to internationally that million tournament the first one no one know who Doda too was 2078 02:01:44.039 --> 02:01:47.720 a bunch of bullshit. That was not true. That was bullshit man Dendy 2079 02:01:47.800 --> 02:01:54.880 played in that game. Many guys are the worst fucking sellouts, Am I 2080 02:01:54.960 --> 02:01:59.000 right? I want authenticity? Yeah, okay, well there's no appearances. 2081 02:01:59.319 --> 02:02:01.319 To me, there's no parents and Blizzards taking that tack with Overwatching does not 2082 02:02:01.720 --> 02:02:06.880 skinny cigarettes and talk about how these man have you guys? Have you guys 2083 02:02:06.880 --> 02:02:10.520 seen any indication that, like, maybe I've missed something, But Donkey Kong 2084 02:02:10.640 --> 02:02:15.000 a competitive Donkey Kong and now we're talking it's my shood. That's real in 2085 02:02:15.000 --> 02:02:17.279 the South suburbs in Illinois. As will we play it's gonna blow up. 2086 02:02:18.920 --> 02:02:21.159 Nah, man, We're not gonna let it blow up because I want to 2087 02:02:21.239 --> 02:02:27.520 keep it real, keep keep it in the basement. That's right. Overwatch 2088 02:02:27.600 --> 02:02:30.760 does not. Overwatch does not look like an esport to me. Yeah, 2089 02:02:30.800 --> 02:02:31.680 I don't think. I don't know, have you said, I haven't seen 2090 02:02:31.720 --> 02:02:36.359 them put out any any shout casted competitive matches. I mean there aren't they 2091 02:02:36.439 --> 02:02:40.359 having tournaments for it at blizzcond and they bayed stuff like that, like yeah, 2092 02:02:40.359 --> 02:02:42.239 but they do that with it. I don't think Blizzard makes anything that 2093 02:02:42.239 --> 02:02:44.239 they don't want to be an esport. Sure, oh sure, have a 2094 02:02:44.279 --> 02:02:46.399 logo that has Blizzard Esports on it, like, but they're not. They're 2095 02:02:46.399 --> 02:02:48.960 not pushing that angle hard with this game right now like they do. They 2096 02:02:48.960 --> 02:02:51.720 put the bat out there like they're just letting people play it. Yeah, 2097 02:02:51.800 --> 02:02:55.119 yeah, you're you're right, but I think that game, actually he gets 2098 02:02:55.119 --> 02:02:59.079 to like that game is the tipping point for like everything basically everything is for 2099 02:02:59.159 --> 02:03:02.159 Diablo maybe where it's i mean even Diablo has got seasons and a leaderboard. 2100 02:03:02.199 --> 02:03:05.159 Sure it's not quite the same thing, but I think that they're never going 2101 02:03:05.199 --> 02:03:09.239 to make a game again that doesn't tie into that stuff, whether they're overt 2102 02:03:09.279 --> 02:03:12.479 about it or not. Like they already have a machine in place to promote 2103 02:03:12.600 --> 02:03:15.319 esports things as esports, so they can let the game be the game. 2104 02:03:16.439 --> 02:03:19.920 Yeah, and then have their dark division over here. That is just like 2105 02:03:20.520 --> 02:03:25.399 let's chop up this adderall and get going all. I mean, I'm not 2106 02:03:25.439 --> 02:03:27.880 saying that Overwatch won't get to that point, but they're not coming out of 2107 02:03:27.920 --> 02:03:30.000 the gate with like shoving that stuff in your face, you know, righting 2108 02:03:30.039 --> 02:03:31.880 it right now, they're just talking about, here's what the game is. 2109 02:03:31.880 --> 02:03:34.560 OK. Yeah, you're right. I might I might say that one hundred 2110 02:03:34.560 --> 02:03:39.000 percent of that game looks like it is esports, I would start, probably 2111 02:03:39.000 --> 02:03:42.760 the only difference is you kind of like Overwatch and you didn't care for Evolve. 2112 02:03:43.319 --> 02:03:45.840 I wouldn't say that. I bet that's one hundred percent what it is, 2113 02:03:45.159 --> 02:03:47.960 But I'm not saying that I'd like Overwatch, Like I played it and 2114 02:03:47.960 --> 02:03:50.119 I think it's well made, but it didn't really do a lot for me. 2115 02:03:51.640 --> 02:03:56.359 Now what you got, I stand by my stamment. Okay, stand 2116 02:03:56.399 --> 02:03:59.039 by it. How's it working for fighting games these days? I mean nurturing 2117 02:03:59.039 --> 02:04:00.920 a killer instinct community that was like highly skeptical out of the gate, like 2118 02:04:00.960 --> 02:04:04.479 you guys took the reins on it, and it's fighting community is like a 2119 02:04:04.640 --> 02:04:10.560 fraction the size of these things. Yeah, it's like a bunch of publishers 2120 02:04:10.600 --> 02:04:14.840 trying to you know, like I think everyone's like everyone's kind of like, 2121 02:04:14.920 --> 02:04:16.840 why aren't we as big as those things? Right? We should be Like 2122 02:04:17.000 --> 02:04:19.720 these games are easier to get into, they're easier to understand what's happening. 2123 02:04:19.920 --> 02:04:23.439 They should be better on stream, right, And so I think it's like 2124 02:04:24.600 --> 02:04:28.039 people are waiting for that to happen, but until it happens, it's a 2125 02:04:28.039 --> 02:04:30.560 bunch of people just kind of like you know, fighting over the same tiny 2126 02:04:30.600 --> 02:04:34.359 pool players relative to those games anyway. Sure, yeah, it's it's true, 2127 02:04:34.359 --> 02:04:38.199 it's it's yeah, it's hard. Yeah, I get the impression that 2128 02:04:38.199 --> 02:04:41.920 we I mean, like killers think community is growing for sure, like it's 2129 02:04:41.960 --> 02:04:45.079 doing well, and like the fact that anyone there's an Xbox One could play 2130 02:04:45.079 --> 02:04:46.279 it for free and check it out, you know, like definitely helps. 2131 02:04:46.600 --> 02:04:50.840 It's like competitive advantage for us for sure, and the communities like received us 2132 02:04:50.880 --> 02:04:55.840 really well. But it's like at the same time, it's like, you 2133 02:04:55.880 --> 02:04:59.239 know, fighting games. No one considers fighting games esports, you know, 2134 02:05:00.000 --> 02:05:02.279 and that's because like a lot of the players in that community came out I 2135 02:05:02.279 --> 02:05:05.479 think it's very seriously and said we are not this, like, do not 2136 02:05:05.560 --> 02:05:09.920 brand us as this, Like we're actively pushed it away, right Uh yeah, 2137 02:05:09.960 --> 02:05:14.600 I mean it's there. They are. What's the word, what's the 2138 02:05:14.600 --> 02:05:19.159 generous way to put it. Let's say slightly xenophobic. Let's say that, 2139 02:05:19.319 --> 02:05:23.279 like they just want the games they want and like, you know, everyone 2140 02:05:23.279 --> 02:05:27.000 says it's classic, like we want new stuff. As long as Capcom made 2141 02:05:27.000 --> 02:05:30.239 it, Capcom make the new stuff, like you know, like Mortal Kombat, 2142 02:05:30.279 --> 02:05:32.079 it's probably gonna sell more than like Street Fight or five, Right, 2143 02:05:32.560 --> 02:05:35.720 but like Street Fighter five is gonna headlin all the tournament still, Right, 2144 02:05:35.720 --> 02:05:42.640 It's like the competitive scene in fighting games is not dictated by like what people 2145 02:05:42.680 --> 02:05:45.720 actually play. Really it's weird. Yeah, But I don't know, Like 2146 02:05:45.880 --> 02:05:49.560 I think that it's one of those things where like not the people don't not 2147 02:05:49.680 --> 02:05:53.960 that it's not well, it's not dictated by the games that people play on 2148 02:05:54.000 --> 02:05:56.760 a wide scale, because like you think about Mortal Kombat, it's kind of 2149 02:05:56.800 --> 02:06:00.239 a special case of like there are people buying Mortal Kombat that have zero interest 2150 02:06:00.279 --> 02:06:04.960 in any other fighting game because they always liked those games and largely Scorpion is 2151 02:06:05.000 --> 02:06:09.039 dope or you know whatever. I think it's largely unique. It might be 2152 02:06:09.119 --> 02:06:11.680 wrong about this, but I think that's largely unique to fighting games. Like 2153 02:06:11.800 --> 02:06:15.720 I think, like you know, the proportionate size of like the competitive scenes 2154 02:06:15.760 --> 02:06:20.159 and like StarCraft two League Legends dot to two, they're relative to the size 2155 02:06:20.159 --> 02:06:24.199 of the player base. Right. I think that's a lot more true in 2156 02:06:24.279 --> 02:06:27.840 that than isn't fighting games. Yeah, And it's weird, and it makes 2157 02:06:27.840 --> 02:06:32.000 it hard to because like you have to capture the hardcore competitive fan base and 2158 02:06:32.000 --> 02:06:35.319 fighting games you have to otherwise, like no one's gonna give shit. But 2159 02:06:35.680 --> 02:06:41.199 then you've captured a very tiny audience, and maybe the people that buy Mortal 2160 02:06:41.239 --> 02:06:43.960 Kombat don't give a shit about your game anymore, you know, because you 2161 02:06:44.039 --> 02:06:47.600 made it too hard to get into or whatever. And like like there's a 2162 02:06:47.960 --> 02:06:53.399 there's a complexity, not even necessarily a depth, there's a complexity that the 2163 02:06:53.399 --> 02:07:00.600 hardcore fighting game fans want. Uh that's that's does not translate to sales on 2164 02:07:00.640 --> 02:07:04.560 a mass scale. Sure, and it's I think it's relatively unique to fighting 2165 02:07:04.640 --> 02:07:08.239 games. Yeah, I guess you could say, also, well that's that's 2166 02:07:08.279 --> 02:07:11.279 been true in rts. Yeah, you know, mobus to some extent. 2167 02:07:11.359 --> 02:07:15.560 I mean yeah, yeah, but you know, is there like a good, 2168 02:07:15.720 --> 02:07:18.720 easy to pick up and play MOBI that has been super successful? I 2169 02:07:18.760 --> 02:07:21.479 mean here is the Storm is trying to be exactly that. Yeah, Okay, 2170 02:07:23.840 --> 02:07:26.439 you might say it like Smite and some of these more actiony ones kind 2171 02:07:26.439 --> 02:07:30.319 of doing okay, yeah, m Yeah. Fighting games have always been weird, 2172 02:07:30.520 --> 02:07:34.199 especially like this recent like the most recent resurgence of them in this like 2173 02:07:34.399 --> 02:07:40.760 streaming world of internet fun. Like it's just gotten weirder. So it used 2174 02:07:40.760 --> 02:07:43.199 to just be people have fun on the internet. No, no, no, 2175 02:07:43.199 --> 02:07:45.760 no, no, the stream. Running a stream is fun. Hooking 2176 02:07:45.800 --> 02:07:49.520 up the gear is fun. Like I think about it, like when Capcom 2177 02:07:49.600 --> 02:07:54.520 was super exploitative of all their IP like PS one PS two era, when 2178 02:07:54.520 --> 02:07:56.800 they were just like actively driving all that shit into the ground. It's just 2179 02:07:56.840 --> 02:08:00.239 like fuck it. Street Fighter Anniversary Collection three, how about that, this 2180 02:08:00.239 --> 02:08:05.000 one's just got the Alpha games. I don't know, uh that that stuff. 2181 02:08:05.119 --> 02:08:07.760 Like as someone who was, you know, super into fighting games as 2182 02:08:07.800 --> 02:08:09.680 much as you could be at that point, you know, more or less, 2183 02:08:09.760 --> 02:08:13.800 Like at some point it's just like this is just too much, Like 2184 02:08:13.840 --> 02:08:16.159 it's the games aren't any good anymore. But at the same time, like 2185 02:08:16.199 --> 02:08:20.800 I miss Bloody Roar, I miss like busted weird ass fighting games. I 2186 02:08:20.840 --> 02:08:26.920 miss like four Guys Robots. No one misses four Goods. No one misses 2187 02:08:26.079 --> 02:08:31.119 Goods, bio Freaks. That's where it's a cardinal said. But like you 2188 02:08:31.119 --> 02:08:35.760 know, like all just the when when there was when there were so many 2189 02:08:35.760 --> 02:08:37.600 fighting games coming out that you could just you could just find crazy shit. 2190 02:08:37.640 --> 02:08:41.920 You could import wild Ship from Japan and just go like this is fucking nuts, 2191 02:08:41.640 --> 02:08:43.960 uh, and no one's ever gonna play it. But I'm glad it's 2192 02:08:45.000 --> 02:08:48.800 here and I don't know it's it's it bumps me out that that I think 2193 02:08:48.840 --> 02:08:52.079 that's now that's that's like turned it into the anime scene. Oh man, 2194 02:08:52.199 --> 02:08:56.039 that's like your that's like your zerd and your that's that's what that that's where 2195 02:08:56.039 --> 02:09:01.000 the anime fighters. Yeah yeah yeah, those but those got so everything got 2196 02:09:01.000 --> 02:09:05.479 technically complicated because everyone's chasing after that dream, right of the complicated competitive fighting 2197 02:09:05.479 --> 02:09:11.520 game that like I kind of like some of the simple shit. Yeah, 2198 02:09:11.960 --> 02:09:16.279 there's that middle ground is missing, but fighting game minute. Yeah, a 2199 02:09:16.279 --> 02:09:20.479 lot of minutes in this podcast, and we's just talk about different things. 2200 02:09:22.000 --> 02:09:24.039 Let's move on. Unless you have anything else to say about Overwatch. It's 2201 02:09:24.079 --> 02:09:28.039 okay. I put some of it on the extra life stream like it. 2202 02:09:28.399 --> 02:09:30.880 I want to pla play it for myself, but watching you play it made 2203 02:09:31.920 --> 02:09:33.359 did not fill me with like super excitement. I don't know. Yeah, 2204 02:09:33.520 --> 02:09:39.000 it controls well. To hear the heroes, I guess what they're called are 2205 02:09:39.119 --> 02:09:41.520 you know, they're very nicely differentiated. They all have very different abilities and 2206 02:09:41.560 --> 02:09:45.760 stuff, but like, I don't know, to an extent for me, 2207 02:09:45.800 --> 02:09:48.560 when it was just like it's like, well, all these characters play very 2208 02:09:48.560 --> 02:09:54.000 differently, but it's all in service of this very generic old feeling escort mission, 2209 02:09:54.239 --> 02:09:56.600 you know, yeah, which just this type of war kind of very 2210 02:09:56.760 --> 02:10:01.840 very very like kind of stock standard like team versus team, first person shooter 2211 02:10:01.840 --> 02:10:05.319 objective stuff. You know, maybe maybe they'll differentiate this stuff a little bit 2212 02:10:05.319 --> 02:10:09.800 more from other shooters at some point. Anyway, last news story, The 2213 02:10:09.880 --> 02:10:16.640 full list the initial list of Xbox One backwards capatibility for three sixty is out. 2214 02:10:16.800 --> 02:10:20.199 Yeah, this thing launches this week. God, you're right, yeah 2215 02:10:20.199 --> 02:10:24.039 that dash right, yeah, Thursday. I believe that's pretty it's pretty funny. 2216 02:10:24.039 --> 02:10:26.960 We went to a meeting here in town to see Microsoft and talk to 2217 02:10:26.039 --> 02:10:28.840 some of their I guess the engineers about the new dashboard stuff, and they 2218 02:10:28.840 --> 02:10:31.079 were very much like, oh, we don't have a date for it. 2219 02:10:31.079 --> 02:10:33.119 It's you know, it's like we're just gonna ship some time in November, 2220 02:10:33.159 --> 02:10:35.039 but we don't want to necessarily nail it down. And then it was like 2221 02:10:35.159 --> 02:10:39.520 less than forty eight hours later, it's like, come out of the twelfths, 2222 02:10:39.560 --> 02:10:41.239 like, oh shit, how those guys feel right now? All right, 2223 02:10:41.279 --> 02:10:43.720 then get it done. I guess all right, I'm just gonna read 2224 02:10:43.720 --> 02:10:46.720 this list to you very quickly you've stopped me, or chime in if you 2225 02:10:46.720 --> 02:10:50.000 feel anything strongly. It's hardwood spades on there, let's let's make let's go 2226 02:10:50.079 --> 02:10:52.800 Ya's okay if we like it in fart noises if we don't, all right, 2227 02:10:52.800 --> 02:10:56.520 oh okay, okay, alright, the app out or mouth part. 2228 02:10:56.239 --> 02:10:58.079 Okay, We've got a lot of games to get through. Let's go here, 2229 02:10:58.119 --> 02:11:03.079 Okay. A Kingdom for Kathling's, A World of Keathling's. Yeah, 2230 02:11:03.159 --> 02:11:09.199 Alien Homedd HD, Assassin's Creed too. Yeah, it's the only Assassin's Creed 2231 02:11:09.239 --> 02:11:16.880 on this list. Yeah what Yes, Asteroids and a Deluxe ya. I 2232 02:11:16.880 --> 02:11:20.479 don't even know what that is. Uh, Banjo Kazooi, Nuts and Bolts, 2233 02:11:20.640 --> 02:11:24.319 Yeah, yeah, yes, yeah, yeah, Clash of Heroes huh 2234 02:11:24.079 --> 02:11:31.119 uh, I don't know Banjo Kazooi and Banjo TWOI sure Battle Block Theater combat 2235 02:11:33.159 --> 02:11:37.279 fuck is that was? That was the remake? Yeah? Atari did that 2236 02:11:37.359 --> 02:11:41.239 run of like shitty. It was like stainless steel, like I don't think 2237 02:11:41.239 --> 02:11:45.439 I've ever seen no, it wasn't it was. I think Asteroids and Deluxe 2238 02:11:45.520 --> 02:11:46.800 was one of those. Also, I don't think i've Centipede two that it 2239 02:11:46.880 --> 02:11:50.279 a centipede like d X or something. How the fun did they remake? 2240 02:11:50.319 --> 02:11:52.159 Combat was okay though, I think and I didn't know about it. What 2241 02:11:52.319 --> 02:11:58.199 Gallagher Legions was all right? Yeah? Man, the d X one is 2242 02:11:58.199 --> 02:12:00.880 the one I'm talking about. The better a billion definitely better. Yeah, 2243 02:12:01.039 --> 02:12:03.239 just you know, looking coming at it after like pac Man Championship Edition, 2244 02:12:03.239 --> 02:12:07.720 it was like, X is not that right? Uh, let's see, 2245 02:12:09.439 --> 02:12:13.840 I lost my place. Should have done a mappy pitch namconam dude offered to 2246 02:12:13.880 --> 02:12:16.239 do Mappy Championship Edition d X for NAMCO. Oh. The formatting on this 2247 02:12:16.279 --> 02:12:22.359 list is very bad. Give me a second. When Jammer's Championship Edition DX, 2248 02:12:22.399 --> 02:12:24.880 what are we doing? You know what? I'm sorry the word raps 2249 02:12:24.920 --> 02:12:28.000 of Combat wrapped down from a different game. They posted this list in a 2250 02:12:28.039 --> 02:12:31.800 two column format that does not copy and paste. Well awesome. I don't 2251 02:12:31.840 --> 02:12:35.039 know what they were thinking. I apologize. Combat is not one of these 2252 02:12:35.079 --> 02:12:39.680 games. It's gonna say, like I know, however, when Monday Night 2253 02:12:39.720 --> 02:12:43.279 Combat comes off later on though, then you know, yep. Uh, 2254 02:12:43.359 --> 02:12:48.319 let's see. How sad is it that half titles of games also sound like 2255 02:12:48.000 --> 02:12:54.680 games Monday Night yep? Winter Game? All right, let's whip through these 2256 02:12:54.680 --> 02:13:00.319 battle Block Theater, be Jeweled two, Bellatoor Mma on slot Beyond Good and 2257 02:13:00.399 --> 02:13:03.000 Evil HD. Yeah, Blood of the Werewolf, never heard of it, 2258 02:13:03.760 --> 02:13:09.920 Blood Rain, Betrayal Borderlands however, not Borderlands too. That's because it's already 2259 02:13:09.920 --> 02:13:15.800 for sale on the XPO. Welcome. Yes, over the Call of wirez 2260 02:13:15.840 --> 02:13:18.960 gun Slinger. Yes, Castle Crashers, that's a good one, Castle Storm, 2261 02:13:20.079 --> 02:13:22.119 it's a pretty good game. Test Crashers come out when it's already already. 2262 02:13:22.479 --> 02:13:28.399 It's free too, if you had cast Crashers free for fun. Comparison 2263 02:13:28.560 --> 02:13:33.880 between two wait did it come out of and it was? I think it 2264 02:13:33.960 --> 02:13:37.720 was free if you had it on you. So maybe they're just counting that 2265 02:13:37.760 --> 02:13:41.720 as that. Oh they wouldn't do that. I don't think so. Castle 2266 02:13:41.760 --> 02:13:46.760 Storm said, Centipede and Millipede condemned criminal Origins, Yeah, but not condemned 2267 02:13:46.800 --> 02:13:52.319 too. Yeah, that's okay too, Crazy Taxi, Yeah, Deadliest Warrior 2268 02:13:52.439 --> 02:13:58.119 Legends, No Defense Grid, The Awakening, No, uh, Dirt three 2269 02:13:58.199 --> 02:14:05.079 and Dirt Showed Down? Okay, okay, Discs of Tron Yeah, George 2270 02:14:05.079 --> 02:14:09.439 Gomez, thank you. Sure. So that's a great game. Oh, 2271 02:14:09.479 --> 02:14:11.880 Doom and Doom two. I didn't realize those were on here. Those are 2272 02:14:11.920 --> 02:14:16.880 those are good ports, Dungeon, Siege three, Earthworm, gym HD right 2273 02:14:16.000 --> 02:14:20.119 the Due three Fable is okay, yeah, yeah, it wasn't. That's 2274 02:14:20.159 --> 02:14:22.319 the first game I'm read you had a mule. You could just put shit 2275 02:14:22.399 --> 02:14:26.560 in send it off to sell it. Hey, good things. Fable two, 2276 02:14:26.199 --> 02:14:31.039 no, Fable three, fall Out three Okay, yeah, that's just 2277 02:14:31.119 --> 02:14:37.560 free with Yeah. Yeah, Feeding Frenzy and Feeding Frenzy two Showdown. I 2278 02:14:37.600 --> 02:14:43.880 like Feeding Frenzy all four years of Wars one, two, three in Judgment, 2279 02:14:43.239 --> 02:14:46.880 which are also free four if you if you have that Ultimate Edition, 2280 02:14:46.920 --> 02:14:50.720 you get those for free. Golden Axe yeah, okay, Halo Relation of 2281 02:14:50.720 --> 02:14:56.800 an Emulation, Halo, Spartan as Salt, Hardwood Backgammon, Hardwood Hearts, 2282 02:14:56.840 --> 02:15:01.439 oh fuck, and Hardwood Space yes right over. Those were like launch games. 2283 02:15:01.439 --> 02:15:07.479 That's that's ridiculous. Well, right after Heavy Weapon comes Hexa heavy Weapon, 2284 02:15:07.520 --> 02:15:11.920 it was good. Poker Smash in there, Poker Smash, We'll get 2285 02:15:11.039 --> 02:15:15.800 there, Poker Smash launch trailer. Yeah, Bananas. I was like when 2286 02:15:15.800 --> 02:15:20.119 we were getting ready to reveal Giant Bomb. I think that was right around 2287 02:15:20.159 --> 02:15:22.479 the time Poker Smash came out. It's like that and Burnout Paris. I 2288 02:15:22.479 --> 02:15:24.640 remember that around that time. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Poker Smash was 2289 02:15:24.680 --> 02:15:30.479 cool. Was Wake in the Fable of Souls? I like that game. 2290 02:15:30.560 --> 02:15:33.239 It's all right, so launch So yeah, the Hardwood stuff is the occasion 2291 02:15:33.319 --> 02:15:37.199 where I'm like, yeah, that's kind of weird. Three of your one 2292 02:15:37.279 --> 02:15:41.680 hundred games like those are three different slots on whoever the publisher is of that 2293 02:15:41.800 --> 02:15:45.520 is still solvent enough to sign a deal to make that come out. I 2294 02:15:45.520 --> 02:15:48.800 guess, so, I guess Heavy Weapon, as I said, hex hd 2295 02:15:50.000 --> 02:15:54.439 Ekruga. Yeah, it was a great one to have on here, jet 2296 02:15:54.439 --> 02:15:56.359 Pack refueled. You know that some of these came along with the rare thing 2297 02:15:56.840 --> 02:16:05.199 Joey Ride Turbo just cause two Cameo Elements of Power, Yeah, Lego Pirates 2298 02:16:05.239 --> 02:16:09.359 of the Caribbean, Lego Star Wars, the Complete Saga, load Runner, 2299 02:16:09.520 --> 02:16:15.000 Lumines Live. Not a great version of load Runner, version of Luminous mass 2300 02:16:15.000 --> 02:16:18.520 Effect okay, just mass effect, get you gotta get you started on one 2301 02:16:18.600 --> 02:16:24.279 something. I guess forty hours later they'll add mass effect too, maybe metals 2302 02:16:24.399 --> 02:16:28.319 like three metals like xx. All right, those I remember being Yankee online. 2303 02:16:30.039 --> 02:16:35.639 A lot of those new Geoports were weird. Might Magic Clash of Heroes, 2304 02:16:35.639 --> 02:16:39.520 that's a good game. Mirror's Edge, okay, Missile Command some of 2305 02:16:39.520 --> 02:16:41.799 these are like some of these that Missic Command is one of those, Like, 2306 02:16:41.840 --> 02:16:45.159 we made a new Missile Command and it's not a good game. Some 2307 02:16:45.200 --> 02:16:48.520 of these just read to me as like very subtle marketing for like upcoming sequels. 2308 02:16:48.520 --> 02:16:50.440 Are you saying there's a new missic Command in the works. Yes, 2309 02:16:50.479 --> 02:16:54.799 that's exactly what I'm saying. Shit, there's definitely a new Mirror's Edge coming 2310 02:16:54.840 --> 02:16:58.239 though, I've heard of that. Yeah, I bet you have Monday Night 2311 02:16:58.319 --> 02:17:03.959 Combat, Monkey Island Special Edition, Monkey Island two Special Edition, Missplosion, 2312 02:17:03.000 --> 02:17:09.719 Man, m Blobs, Attack En Plus, NBA jam On Fire Edition, 2313 02:17:11.760 --> 02:17:16.879 Nights Into Dreams. It was on Xbox very sixty. Yeah. Yeah, 2314 02:17:18.360 --> 02:17:22.440 I didn't realize that nights in there. I don't think so. That game's 2315 02:17:22.479 --> 02:17:24.360 godlike. It would have been three, it would have been right at the 2316 02:17:24.399 --> 02:17:30.639 top. I guess Operation Flat Point, Dragon Rising. Oh yeah, pac 2317 02:17:30.719 --> 02:17:35.159 Man Champion and Ship Edition and Ceed x plus are on that list. That's 2318 02:17:35.159 --> 02:17:39.840 fucking awesome. Those are both great games. You know, I got past 2319 02:17:39.840 --> 02:17:41.840 the g's and I didn't see Geometry Wars on there, even though that's been 2320 02:17:41.840 --> 02:17:46.639 in the preview program. Weird, So I guess this list maybe isn't Maybe 2321 02:17:46.639 --> 02:17:52.360 they're pulling that back. That original Geometry Wars is still the best reason to 2322 02:17:52.440 --> 02:17:56.639 have this feature, so I can play that out of three sixty hooked up 2323 02:17:56.280 --> 02:18:01.360 Perfect Dark and Perfect Dark zero, fandom Breaker, bat Grounds, Pinball Effects 2324 02:18:01.040 --> 02:18:05.440 Lance versus Zombies, fan Breaker, Prince of Persia. I guess that's probably 2325 02:18:05.440 --> 02:18:09.120 that twenty eight one. Oh yeah, weird or I mean they made an 2326 02:18:09.120 --> 02:18:16.200 next bild like the Sands of Times. That one would be No, no, 2327 02:18:16.200 --> 02:18:18.879 there was like a remake of the original. It's that one, okay, 2328 02:18:20.559 --> 02:18:22.280 Sands of Time. No, no, there was time. There was 2329 02:18:22.280 --> 02:18:24.360 a reboo. It was just called Oh that was the one with its purple 2330 02:18:24.440 --> 02:18:28.760 and pink cover is all very uh like, kind of painterly, painterly looking, 2331 02:18:28.799 --> 02:18:31.319 and old North did the voice. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I 2332 02:18:31.360 --> 02:18:33.319 like But I bet this is the XPIL I bet you, I bet you 2333 02:18:33.440 --> 02:18:37.000 right, the remake of the original. Yeah yeah, yeah. Charrotica is 2334 02:18:37.040 --> 02:18:41.920 on there. Nope, dude, repast what you think of that? They 2335 02:18:41.920 --> 02:18:43.239 made that new Charrotic. I liked it. It was weird. It was 2336 02:18:43.280 --> 02:18:46.799 weird and it wasn't good, but I liked it. Yeah, it was 2337 02:18:46.799 --> 02:18:48.479 not good. It was not good, but I liked that. But I 2338 02:18:48.520 --> 02:18:50.120 liked that. Someone said, let's make another charrotic Yeah, and they tried 2339 02:18:50.120 --> 02:18:56.159 to do something they knew. Yeah, they the Bird Bird, That Bird 2340 02:18:56.399 --> 02:19:01.280 Bird. Uh Putty Squad, that's that game that we did a quip that 2341 02:19:01.200 --> 02:19:03.000 that game came out on disc on PS four, Yeah, right, okay. 2342 02:19:03.040 --> 02:19:05.120 I was like, yeah, this is one of those ye like it's 2343 02:19:05.159 --> 02:19:09.239 it's an Amiga game. It's very British. Yeah, very British. Yes, 2344 02:19:09.319 --> 02:19:13.799 I remember that Rayman three HD our type of dimensions that games? God 2345 02:19:13.879 --> 02:19:18.280 like our type dimensions? What is that? What's the one that came out 2346 02:19:18.319 --> 02:19:22.239 on PS What's the PS two one? You had? Like hundreds of ship 2347 02:19:22.280 --> 02:19:26.319 Oh Delton? Was was Final type? Final Type? Final? Final? 2348 02:19:26.360 --> 02:19:30.239 Was PS? Okay? I never Dimensions is what I think. Dimensions is 2349 02:19:30.280 --> 02:19:31.639 not a new game, right, It's like a remake of I was thinking 2350 02:19:31.719 --> 02:19:33.760 I was thinking of Final. It might be the remake of the first one. 2351 02:19:33.760 --> 02:19:37.440 I think Final is Sacred Citadel. Here we go. This is when 2352 02:19:37.440 --> 02:19:41.799 it gets crazy. Saga Vantage Collection Alex Kidd and the company Saga Vantage Collection 2353 02:19:41.879 --> 02:19:46.479 Golden Axe. Hey, remember when Golden Axe was also mentioned earlier on this 2354 02:19:46.520 --> 02:19:52.520 list, weird Saga Vantage Collection Monster World did that? Did they make Savage 2355 02:19:52.559 --> 02:19:56.120 Collection Streets the other Golden as a new Golden Axe? Did that game come 2356 02:19:56.159 --> 02:20:01.280 out? I think working on the studio get Yeah, okay, that all 2357 02:20:01.319 --> 02:20:05.319 got like there is out there is a very very really for PS two is 2358 02:20:05.440 --> 02:20:09.680 terrible. There's a very old like Launch era three sixty xpla port of Golden 2359 02:20:09.719 --> 02:20:13.600 Axe. Oh and then it must have come back out under this Saga Ventage 2360 02:20:13.600 --> 02:20:16.719 Collection label, and they're both well I mean, you know, if people 2361 02:20:16.719 --> 02:20:20.159 bottom they're not putting these out to sell more really I know, but like, 2362 02:20:20.239 --> 02:20:22.639 but when you've been going the main thing for me with this list is 2363 02:20:22.680 --> 02:20:26.479 that they've been going around since E three going like we'll have a hundred games 2364 02:20:26.479 --> 02:20:30.559 backwards compatible at launch, and like four of those are Saga Vantage Collection games. 2365 02:20:30.680 --> 02:20:33.159 Yeah, you know, yeah like it. It's it's mildly underwhelming. 2366 02:20:33.520 --> 02:20:37.360 Shadow Complex that's a good game. Yeah. Our SEP Dimensions appears to be 2367 02:20:37.360 --> 02:20:41.799 our type in our type two in one okay with like it was not good 2368 02:20:41.040 --> 02:20:46.719 with with like with like new graphics, but it wasn't good. I was 2369 02:20:46.719 --> 02:20:48.959 about to go buy that once I realized what it was, but it was 2370 02:20:48.959 --> 02:20:52.600 not good. Okay, uh, Sonic the Hedgehog one, two, and 2371 02:20:52.680 --> 02:20:56.200 three and CD. That's four games on that list. What about Knuckles three 2372 02:20:56.399 --> 02:21:03.040 came? They were separate the things. Yeah, there's originally gonna be Sonic 2373 02:21:03.040 --> 02:21:05.440 three and Knuckles, but then it was separated into two. Did they sell 2374 02:21:05.520 --> 02:21:09.159 knuckles and this just not on the list? I don't remember if XBLA got 2375 02:21:09.200 --> 02:21:15.600 Knuckles. Yeah, I don't know. It's not paid DLC. Don't give 2376 02:21:15.719 --> 02:21:16.680 my tears. Maybe they would have gone the other way with I don't know 2377 02:21:16.680 --> 02:21:20.319 whatever. Pay to pay, man, it's a new model, super meat 2378 02:21:20.319 --> 02:21:24.440 Boy. Have you've been in meetings where people literally use the term paid to 2379 02:21:24.479 --> 02:21:26.760 pay? The first time I've ever seen it is when people are describing Overwatch. 2380 02:21:28.120 --> 02:21:31.920 It's the first time I've ever seen. Yeah, and I just it's 2381 02:21:31.959 --> 02:21:35.239 the most immediately struck me, the most cynical things and one could possibly say, 2382 02:21:35.440 --> 02:21:37.319 and I wanted to punch the person in the face. Also kind of 2383 02:21:37.319 --> 02:21:41.680 accurate enough. I don't know if whatever, super me Boy, super meat 2384 02:21:41.680 --> 02:21:45.479 Boy. Yeah, that's kind of exciting to me actually because I tried to 2385 02:21:45.479 --> 02:21:48.120 play that Vita version that came out, and like, I'd hate to say 2386 02:21:48.159 --> 02:21:50.280 it, but I guess I'm one of those people where the lack of the 2387 02:21:50.360 --> 02:21:52.920 music really bums me out to the point that I don't remember what the old 2388 02:21:54.000 --> 02:21:56.799 music sounds like. So I played that new one and kind of didn't like 2389 02:21:56.920 --> 02:22:01.159 what they had going on in musically. So I remember multiple songs from the 2390 02:22:01.159 --> 02:22:03.200 first release very distinctly. You played a lot more of that game that I 2391 02:22:03.239 --> 02:22:05.959 did. I did play a lot of Super Meat Boy, but I also 2392 02:22:07.079 --> 02:22:15.959 just love Danny b Stuff, Supreme Commander two, Tom Clancy's Rainbow six Vegas 2393 02:22:16.520 --> 02:22:20.920 that comes with Siege Right Yes, uh, South Park, The Stick of 2394 02:22:20.920 --> 02:22:26.760 Truth, Torchlight, Toy Soldiers and Toy Soldiers, Cold War Tron Evolution, 2395 02:22:28.040 --> 02:22:33.040 Buckle up, It's back Tron Evolution, Back in the Saddle. Addition, 2396 02:22:33.440 --> 02:22:37.520 basically Ugly Americans Apocalypse Now. To get it to work, you have to 2397 02:22:37.520 --> 02:22:41.040 put figures on the portal and now man, then you get the Jeff Bridges 2398 02:22:41.079 --> 02:22:43.879 figure and you put it on there and it says sorry, just counted how 2399 02:22:43.879 --> 02:22:52.280 many these games we worked on. Viva Pinata and Trouble in Paradise, Wolfenstein, 2400 02:22:52.360 --> 02:22:54.159 three D. Yeah. I don't think I even realized that there was 2401 02:22:54.200 --> 02:23:01.360 a part of that on XPLA and Zuma. Zuma's all right, yeah, 2402 02:23:01.479 --> 02:23:05.360 I bought Zuma. Yeah, that's all right. I guess all right, 2403 02:23:05.440 --> 02:23:07.920 Well, there's your backwards compatible games coming on Thursday along with that and dashboard. 2404 02:23:09.680 --> 02:23:11.239 I wonder how frequently they will update that list. I hope it's frequently, 2405 02:23:11.239 --> 02:23:13.760 because there's definitely a lot of stuff on there that I wish was there 2406 02:23:13.799 --> 02:23:18.159 that was Capcom stuff at all. Yeah. Yeah, the publishers just said, 2407 02:23:18.639 --> 02:23:22.680 I guess no, no rock Star stuff. Uh. It just seems 2408 02:23:22.680 --> 02:23:26.479 like the sort of thing that like like that, like if publishers would rather 2409 02:23:26.559 --> 02:23:31.360 you buy their new games, then let give you easier ways to play some 2410 02:23:31.399 --> 02:23:33.760 of their older stuff, Right. That's that's kind of how some of that 2411 02:23:33.760 --> 02:23:35.520 strikes you would hope. Yeah, if there's some weird it's it's kind of 2412 02:23:35.520 --> 02:23:39.399 spotty in cases. You know. It's like like lots of Sega stuff, 2413 02:23:39.479 --> 02:23:41.520 Yeah, lots of Sega stuff, like a decent amount of you Be stuff 2414 02:23:41.559 --> 02:23:43.399 stuff, but like the Sea stuff like whatever that they could generate new sales 2415 02:23:43.440 --> 02:23:46.920 on some of that Sega stuff because it's still fucking Sonic the Hedgehog, Like, 2416 02:23:46.959 --> 02:23:50.280 why not show you know, have it for sale in more places? 2417 02:23:50.399 --> 02:23:54.479 Right? Uh? Yeah, I don't know. I do hope that list 2418 02:23:54.479 --> 02:23:58.399 expands dramatically in the coming months. That dashboard has gotten a lot better for 2419 02:23:58.440 --> 02:24:01.000 me in the last week or so. Oh yeah, yeah, I don't 2420 02:24:01.000 --> 02:24:05.200 know if you've been using it much. I went straight from Halo to reviewing 2421 02:24:05.200 --> 02:24:07.680 Two Raiders, so I've been spending a lot of time on that platform. 2422 02:24:07.760 --> 02:24:09.559 I went from I mean, I'll turn on an Xbox tonight to start on 2423 02:24:09.559 --> 02:24:13.360 that version of Fallout to give it a look. But I have not touched 2424 02:24:13.360 --> 02:24:15.920 it since the end of Need for Speed. It's it's less. It's definitely 2425 02:24:16.000 --> 02:24:18.799 less buggy and quicker than it was. Uh. I'm excited for that final 2426 02:24:18.920 --> 02:24:22.319 version to come out. What's the what's the idol? This is? Give 2427 02:24:22.399 --> 02:24:26.319 me a ten seconds on this. It's the Giant Bomb collective thought on Halo 2428 02:24:26.440 --> 02:24:30.120 five. I like it. It's good, it's fun, it's it's good 2429 02:24:30.120 --> 02:24:31.719 and solid. It's a good, solid Halo campaign. I think the card 2430 02:24:31.760 --> 02:24:39.319 stuff and multiplayer is an unwelcome edition, But all right, ten seconds you 2431 02:24:39.399 --> 02:24:41.559 asked for it, Good job, Yeah, emails BombCast a giant bomb dot 2432 02:24:41.559 --> 02:24:46.200 com to whip through these. Nick from Portsmouth, New Half shure right into 2433 02:24:46.239 --> 02:24:50.360 it. I've been reading articles as of late comparing the sales of the PS 2434 02:24:50.440 --> 02:24:54.719 four and the Xbox one. Fun yeah right, this biz time, we'll 2435 02:24:54.760 --> 02:24:58.639 have another business minute, get my guns out. It seems the PS four 2436 02:24:58.719 --> 02:25:03.239 is f are ahead of the Xbox One the Xbox One in sales. Excuse 2437 02:25:03.239 --> 02:25:05.479 me, but does that mean that the Xbox is doing bad? If we 2438 02:25:05.479 --> 02:25:09.840 were compared the sales of the Xbox one two the three sixty, isn't the 2439 02:25:09.920 --> 02:25:13.520 Xbox one ahead of the three sixty? That seems more like the PS four 2440 02:25:13.559 --> 02:25:18.760 is doing insanely well while the Xbox one is just doing well. Dave, 2441 02:25:18.799 --> 02:25:22.440 if you got any being on the biz side, you got any any kind 2442 02:25:22.440 --> 02:25:24.399 of feelings about like that's my understanding of the whole thing, is it? 2443 02:25:24.440 --> 02:25:28.079 Like I think the interesting question and I don't know, it's going to very 2444 02:25:28.120 --> 02:25:33.799 publisher publisher genre genre. It's not so much installed base as it is attach 2445 02:25:33.920 --> 02:25:39.399 rate, Like who's who's buying games on what console? Like PS four has 2446 02:25:39.440 --> 02:25:41.639 got Like I don't know even I don't know what the like the number of 2447 02:25:41.680 --> 02:25:46.719 different consoles is right, but like if everyone that has PS four is only 2448 02:25:46.760 --> 02:25:50.040 buying those games, you know, that's like a bigger problem than like just 2449 02:25:50.079 --> 02:25:52.520 the install base. Like that's the w problem, right, Like everybody went 2450 02:25:52.520 --> 02:25:54.719 out and bought a we and then never bought anything. Yeah, like the 2451 02:25:54.959 --> 02:25:56.879 sports for it, the console console number is super important because it's like a 2452 02:25:56.920 --> 02:26:01.440 it's like a necessary but not sufficient and condition to be successful, right, 2453 02:26:01.520 --> 02:26:05.239 but it's definitely not the most important determinator. Like yeah, yeah, it 2454 02:26:05.280 --> 02:26:07.639 kind of makes me think of like those there were those months where we were 2455 02:26:07.639 --> 02:26:11.319 getting to look at the mpds and seeing like Destiny out selling or Destiny selling 2456 02:26:11.319 --> 02:26:13.680 more on the Xbox than it was on the PS four, and like trying 2457 02:26:13.719 --> 02:26:16.920 to like figure out some reason that that was actually happening, and not being 2458 02:26:16.920 --> 02:26:20.719 able to come up with anything. For me, that's the reason is just 2459 02:26:20.799 --> 02:26:22.440 that that's where the Halo fan base lives, right, and they'd be the 2460 02:26:22.520 --> 02:26:28.040 people would be most likely to immediately jump onto Bungee's new game. That seemed 2461 02:26:28.040 --> 02:26:30.959 to seemed to be the explanation we came up with. It's like when the 2462 02:26:31.639 --> 02:26:35.079 like fighting game tournaments right at the beginning of last Gen, they are all 2463 02:26:35.079 --> 02:26:37.920 played on PS three, even though like the Xbox version rans right usually ran 2464 02:26:39.040 --> 02:26:43.319 better, and they were because everyone had PS two USB sticks that would work 2465 02:26:43.360 --> 02:26:46.559 on PS three, right, and so the community started playing on PS three 2466 02:26:46.559 --> 02:26:48.600 even though it was like not the preferred platform, like from a performance standpoint 2467 02:26:48.639 --> 02:26:52.879 or a network options and feature standpoint at the time. It's just weird stuff 2468 02:26:52.920 --> 02:26:58.280 happens around, Like these little genres have their own kind of issues that uh 2469 02:26:58.799 --> 02:27:03.559 yeah, business it's hard to figure out. It's almost like it's a job 2470 02:27:03.639 --> 02:27:09.040 or something, right, who my job? That's why I just make it 2471 02:27:09.120 --> 02:27:13.239 up as I go along. Yes, that is my understanding that, like 2472 02:27:13.799 --> 02:27:16.799 even the Xbox is doing better now than three sixty was at this point. 2473 02:27:16.840 --> 02:27:20.040 So I don't know if that's still true, but maybe maybe not. It 2474 02:27:20.120 --> 02:27:22.159 was true as of like a couple months ago. Sure, yeah, if 2475 02:27:22.159 --> 02:27:24.440 they're off to historical great start, right, like the console business is strong. 2476 02:27:24.559 --> 02:27:28.319 All just seems like people wants yeah yeah, except for the week. 2477 02:27:28.479 --> 02:27:35.639 Yeah well yeah, uh okay. Joe from Hungary writes in I hope you're 2478 02:27:35.719 --> 02:27:39.680 hungry hungry Joe, uh yeah, because in the last podcast you were talking 2479 02:27:39.680 --> 02:27:43.719 about brains and that you wouldn't eat brains. Well, let me tell you 2480 02:27:43.760 --> 02:27:48.760 guys, you are missing out. Brains are delicious. I would try a 2481 02:27:48.760 --> 02:27:52.760 brain, calbrain, pig brain, chicken brain. Would you eat human? 2482 02:27:54.319 --> 02:27:56.000 No? I mean that's that would that's would be like that. Don't don't 2483 02:27:56.000 --> 02:28:00.920 say you'd try everything about it's not known bad for you? On let's eating 2484 02:28:00.959 --> 02:28:03.159 human bad for you? Yeah, they just go what do they just cook 2485 02:28:03.159 --> 02:28:05.120 it like I'm not saying. I'm not saying, like go bite into it 2486 02:28:05.399 --> 02:28:07.840 while he's smoking a cigarette or something like that. I mean, let me, 2487 02:28:09.200 --> 02:28:11.200 let me, let me outline the rest of Joe's argument here. Seriously, 2488 02:28:11.239 --> 02:28:15.360 in Europe we eat brains all the fucking time. You saute the brain, 2489 02:28:15.440 --> 02:28:16.959 season it with salt and pepper, and put it in scrabbled eggs. 2490 02:28:16.959 --> 02:28:22.920 What a lovely breakfast or my favorite food ever brain filled pork Cutlet take a 2491 02:28:22.959 --> 02:28:28.000 slice of boneless pork meat shoulder or pork tenderloin. Tenderized the meat until it's 2492 02:28:28.079 --> 02:28:31.680 nice and evenly thin. Season the meat on both sides with salt and pepper. 2493 02:28:31.680 --> 02:28:33.559 Put the pre saute aid brain in it, and roll it up nicely. 2494 02:28:35.319 --> 02:28:39.040 Don't forget to tuck in the sides. Use toothpicks to secure the meat. 2495 02:28:39.079 --> 02:28:41.879 Then dip it in flour, then scrabbled eggs and roll it in bread 2496 02:28:41.920 --> 02:28:45.440 crumbs, then deep fry it until it's golden. Brain scrambled eggs involved in 2497 02:28:45.479 --> 02:28:48.719 this brain welcome. I I love scrabbled eggs. Eggs actually had brains at 2498 02:28:48.760 --> 02:28:52.879 Iron Galaxy holiday party two years ago. Yeah. It was placed in chicag 2499 02:28:52.920 --> 02:28:56.520 called Frontier and they have whole animal surface. It's like gross, like a 2500 02:28:56.520 --> 02:29:00.360 whole hog or a whole pig whatever, and they do that, then sure 2501 02:29:00.399 --> 02:29:05.680 if they roasted hole and they pick it apart in like on a table at 2502 02:29:05.680 --> 02:29:07.799 the front of the party and there's everything, there's brains, eyeballs, everything, 2503 02:29:09.079 --> 02:29:11.639 god, And so we actually did that. It was yeah, who 2504 02:29:11.799 --> 02:29:16.319 ate the eyeballs. I think Tommy Carbone junior head and eyeball. He was 2505 02:29:16.360 --> 02:29:18.719 not a fan. That's so gross. Do you try the brain? I 2506 02:29:18.799 --> 02:29:20.680 did that wasn't didn't like it. No. What was the texture like like 2507 02:29:20.799 --> 02:29:24.399 characterizing It's exactly what you would expects, like rubbery? Uh, kind of 2508 02:29:24.440 --> 02:29:28.680 chewy, yeah, not like a little crunchy like kind of ana sushi ban 2509 02:29:28.760 --> 02:29:31.399 sushi, like a snap to it bad sushi texture. Okay, it's like, 2510 02:29:31.920 --> 02:29:35.120 oh was it? Ok? Maybe it's softer than I'm in. Then 2511 02:29:35.440 --> 02:29:37.360 it's like, you know, I think of bad sushi is like you bite 2512 02:29:37.399 --> 02:29:39.399 and it doesn't he don't sink into it. Yeah, okay, yeah yeah, 2513 02:29:39.760 --> 02:29:43.000 man, Yeah that doesn't sound super apetizing and yeah like bad eel. 2514 02:29:45.159 --> 02:29:46.920 Joe also goes on at length about the virtues of bone Marrow, which I 2515 02:29:46.959 --> 02:29:52.000 can god like, dude, bone marrow is delicious on some nice crusty bread. 2516 02:29:52.399 --> 02:29:56.000 Yeah like this Joe character. Man, we should go we should go 2517 02:29:56.000 --> 02:29:58.639 out go to Hungary. Yeah yeah, no, right, she could find 2518 02:29:58.680 --> 02:30:03.200 this guy. I'm doing it right out there, all right. Next email 2519 02:30:03.239 --> 02:30:07.680 comes in from Ryan. It's about VR. There was some news last week 2520 02:30:07.760 --> 02:30:11.479 of a nine to eleven VR experience being developed by O eight six Studios that 2521 02:30:11.520 --> 02:30:16.760 would have players in a quote narrative driven experience designed for virtual reality, playing 2522 02:30:16.799 --> 02:30:20.879 as an office worker in the North Tower. Personally, While I'm not sure 2523 02:30:20.959 --> 02:30:24.840 this will be the project to cover nine to eleven in a tasteful manner, 2524 02:30:24.920 --> 02:30:28.159 I am excited for the potential stories VR will assist in telling in the future. 2525 02:30:28.920 --> 02:30:33.000 I'm curious as you guys thoughts on this particular project. I see a 2526 02:30:33.120 --> 02:30:37.760 number of parallels to the canceled games Six Days in Fallujah, which also covered 2527 02:30:37.799 --> 02:30:41.200 some very touchy subjects and never made it to consumers. Is the fact that 2528 02:30:41.239 --> 02:30:43.520 the game is in VR way at all? In your opinion, is there 2529 02:30:43.520 --> 02:30:46.120 a particular story or time period you would like to see invoked in a VR 2530 02:30:46.200 --> 02:30:50.680 game. I think it's you know, it's one of the things where why 2531 02:30:50.840 --> 02:30:52.840 is that subject matter being taken on? Is it like literally a case of 2532 02:30:52.959 --> 02:30:56.799 just like, well, we think we can get some headlines if we do 2533 02:30:56.000 --> 02:31:01.000 this, which just just ends up being kind of exploitat Yeah, which I 2534 02:31:01.120 --> 02:31:03.879 you know, I think it sometimes it'll go into that territory, even if 2535 02:31:03.879 --> 02:31:05.520 that wasn't their original intent. Like, you know, there were probably some 2536 02:31:05.639 --> 02:31:09.719 people working on Six Days of Fluja that that felt like they were. I 2537 02:31:09.760 --> 02:31:13.040 mean. The difference too, is that game had like a I remember it 2538 02:31:13.079 --> 02:31:16.600 had a relatively large publisher on it too. Was I was gonna say, 2539 02:31:16.639 --> 02:31:20.280 like Namco or something, but maybe I don't know, though I thought it 2540 02:31:20.319 --> 02:31:22.319 had like there was someone on board that got scared off. It had a 2541 02:31:22.319 --> 02:31:26.120 publisher, and that's this It just sounds like like that's like it's like an 2542 02:31:26.159 --> 02:31:28.079 Indian. Yeah, it sounds like some some dudes with the VR rig somewhere, 2543 02:31:28.079 --> 02:31:31.719 so it was gonna be theres always be like indie people making weird stuff, 2544 02:31:31.120 --> 02:31:35.040 Like it's the difference the six folution thing was I think got picked up. 2545 02:31:35.239 --> 02:31:39.319 Yeah, uh, I don't know. My feeling about this particular project 2546 02:31:39.440 --> 02:31:41.799 is like, you know, think about the particular horrors of being in that 2547 02:31:41.879 --> 02:31:48.319 situation, right, like the smoke, the noise, the instability and the 2548 02:31:48.360 --> 02:31:54.159 building and then the you know yeah yeah, the the possibility of having to 2549 02:31:54.239 --> 02:31:58.040 jump out the window instead of facing all of this stuff was like kay with 2550 02:31:58.479 --> 02:32:01.000 with the six Like, I don't know, it's like think of the think 2551 02:32:01.000 --> 02:32:05.479 about what VR does with things like like like heights and other kinds of like 2552 02:32:05.959 --> 02:32:11.360 really like deep sort of bodily threats, you know, and like what that 2553 02:32:11.440 --> 02:32:15.600 does to your subconscious and stuff like that could be a super effective way to 2554 02:32:15.680 --> 02:32:20.920 put somebody in that like maybe too effective. It seems like the early big 2555 02:32:22.000 --> 02:32:26.079 no no for people is never take camera control away from anyone. Uh, 2556 02:32:26.239 --> 02:32:33.520 And like the constraints around VR games are extreme, like otherwise like amazingly non 2557 02:32:33.559 --> 02:32:37.120 trivial percentI of people get sick if you just take the camera away. You 2558 02:32:37.239 --> 02:32:41.559 do, like a bunch of things like you move the camera like it's so 2559 02:32:41.680 --> 02:32:46.280 it's like, how do you do any game with those constraints? And how 2560 02:32:46.280 --> 02:32:48.840 do you do the things you just said are interesting with those kind of constraints? 2561 02:32:48.879 --> 02:32:50.040 You know, it makes it really hardy, Like we're just gonna say, 2562 02:32:50.079 --> 02:32:54.440 like, I think the answer your question is like any game of tastefully 2563 02:32:54.479 --> 02:32:56.600 done could be fine, right, but like, what are the odds that 2564 02:32:56.719 --> 02:33:01.479 game is one being tastefully done and could be good in VR? You know, 2565 02:33:01.600 --> 02:33:07.079 I think that's a different question. Sure, yeah, yeah, if 2566 02:33:07.120 --> 02:33:09.040 it's even gonna be a game, Like who knows what the intent of this 2567 02:33:09.120 --> 02:33:11.399 thing is? And it almost sounds like more of a kind of an interactive 2568 02:33:13.239 --> 02:33:18.040 art exhibition type thing, putting you in this position. Brandon from Columbus, 2569 02:33:18.079 --> 02:33:24.559 Ohio? Why why why don't games release on Fridays? Were a full time 2570 02:33:24.639 --> 02:33:26.680 job? Games coming out on Tuesday's suck. I'll pop in Fall at four 2571 02:33:26.719 --> 02:33:30.000 and I'll play it for a bit and then be thinking about the weekend the 2572 02:33:30.040 --> 02:33:33.479 rest of the week, because that's when the real binge gaming happens. Is 2573 02:33:33.520 --> 02:33:39.280 there a logical reason that games release on Tuesdays? It was always a holdover 2574 02:33:39.479 --> 02:33:41.959 from the way the retail worked right, well, like other stuff came out 2575 02:33:43.000 --> 02:33:50.040 on Tuesday's right, Yeah, stuff like everything on Tuesday. The trucks were 2576 02:33:50.079 --> 02:33:52.200 already going to the stores, right. But I don't know what the underlying 2577 02:33:52.239 --> 02:33:54.559 reason is for that. In general, I think it was so they could 2578 02:33:54.559 --> 02:33:58.840 be driving over the weekend, get there on a Monday Tuesday, so it 2579 02:33:58.840 --> 02:34:01.600 doesn't get there on a Friday, then have to sit there until Monday or 2580 02:34:01.680 --> 02:34:03.799 whatever it is. I or have to have a chance for the product to 2581 02:34:03.799 --> 02:34:07.879 get out to all the stores equally or something. I guess maybe we would 2582 02:34:07.920 --> 02:34:13.479 get shipments a lot at Funko Land on Tuesday morning, like sometimes we're lucky 2583 02:34:13.520 --> 02:34:16.719 to get it changed. At some point, yeah, that changed where like 2584 02:34:16.920 --> 02:34:18.879 it was less trucks. It was less like the truck is here with the 2585 02:34:18.920 --> 02:34:22.680 stuff from the distribution warehouse, and it became like we're getting games FedEx into 2586 02:34:22.719 --> 02:34:26.760 the store or whatever, right, So at some point, yeah, that 2587 02:34:26.920 --> 02:34:31.239 just when they offloaded it to just kind of commercial shippers or whatever it was 2588 02:34:31.799 --> 02:34:33.799 for some of the different stores than maybe that just the Tuesday thing didn't matter 2589 02:34:33.840 --> 02:34:41.520 as much. I don't know. Mortal Kombat Tuesday made a lot of sense. 2590 02:34:41.719 --> 02:34:43.680 So but yeah, that was sometime, and I want to I want 2591 02:34:43.719 --> 02:34:46.479 to say I didn't notice it until like the PS one was out. It 2592 02:34:46.559 --> 02:34:50.680 feels like that's when it kind of solidified, Like Genesis games just seemed to 2593 02:34:50.760 --> 02:34:54.920 fucking just show up. But also there was no internet to like keep track 2594 02:34:54.959 --> 02:34:58.239 of dates, and magazines didn't keep good track of that ship. So some 2595 02:34:58.440 --> 02:35:03.120 release data from games released in North America from like the sixteen bit arab back 2596 02:35:03.239 --> 02:35:05.559 are surprisingly hard to come by. Really, there's like a pretty good article 2597 02:35:05.879 --> 02:35:11.000 of people trying to determine the actual release date of Super Mario Brothers in the 2598 02:35:11.120 --> 02:35:16.520 US because of the way that the NES rolled out in eighty five. The 2599 02:35:16.639 --> 02:35:20.440 territory, like the test market stuff, like some of that stuff was just 2600 02:35:20.559 --> 02:35:24.280 unclear. It was less about like hold it for this date and more like 2601 02:35:24.319 --> 02:35:26.639 when you get him, sell him. I don't know. So I got 2602 02:35:26.639 --> 02:35:28.040 an email that I did not pull I think, last week from a guy 2603 02:35:28.040 --> 02:35:31.559 who lived in see It, like right near Nintendo headquarters in the eighties, 2604 02:35:31.760 --> 02:35:35.920 and like supposedly he was saying that like one day a month you could go 2605 02:35:35.079 --> 02:35:39.600 down and buy an NES from the warehouse at Nintendo. Huh. I have 2606 02:35:39.760 --> 02:35:41.120 no way to verify if that was actually true or not. It's weird. 2607 02:35:41.239 --> 02:35:45.680 It's just a guy he knew was selling it right back. Yeah. Maybe 2608 02:35:45.920 --> 02:35:48.399 it's like, Yo, we got all we got, we got mock Rider, 2609 02:35:48.479 --> 02:35:52.799 but the battery backup works. You could save your tracks. I don't 2610 02:35:52.840 --> 02:35:56.079 believe you. Also, fuck, they opened up that Nintendo PlayStation and we 2611 02:35:56.159 --> 02:35:58.799 didn't talk about it. I'll have to talk about that next week. Yeah, 2612 02:36:00.559 --> 02:36:05.360 super disc Yeah okay. Nick in Queensland, Australia rights and I've been 2613 02:36:05.440 --> 02:36:11.079 playing excuse me, Need for Speed twenty fifteen. I still have plenty of 2614 02:36:11.200 --> 02:36:13.799 races to complete and collectibles to acquire, but I've already unlocked all the one 2615 02:36:13.879 --> 02:36:18.559 thousand achievement points for the game. Uh, and not having achievements to work 2616 02:36:18.600 --> 02:36:20.479 towards makes me not want to play any further. Wait, he still has 2617 02:36:20.520 --> 02:36:24.000 events to complete, that's what he says. I'm pretty sure it's not possible 2618 02:36:24.079 --> 02:36:28.120 that. Okay, I don't know. Well, the question stands even if 2619 02:36:28.120 --> 02:36:30.760 he's not right about this particular case. How do you guys feel about games 2620 02:36:30.799 --> 02:36:35.799 that hand out all their points before the game is one complete. I think 2621 02:36:35.799 --> 02:36:37.319 it depends on how the game is built. Yeah, I don't have a 2622 02:36:37.319 --> 02:36:39.399 problem with that. You know, there are some games that, like the 2623 02:36:39.559 --> 02:36:41.840 full one hundred percent of that game is not a reasonable thing to expect out 2624 02:36:41.840 --> 02:36:46.120 of a player. So this is not like an official Iron Galaxy position, 2625 02:36:46.200 --> 02:36:48.520 but like I personally do not give a shit about achievements. Yeah, they're 2626 02:36:48.559 --> 02:36:52.319 invisible to me. I don't even know when that happened to me. At 2627 02:36:52.360 --> 02:36:54.520 some point, yeah, and I used to still love them. Yeah, 2628 02:36:54.799 --> 02:36:58.079 like three sixty early three, early into mid three sixty, I was all 2629 02:36:58.120 --> 02:37:01.040 about that ship. And at some point I remember you, Adam Johnny, 2630 02:37:01.440 --> 02:37:05.479 I remember that, like, yeah, uh, I never got it like 2631 02:37:05.559 --> 02:37:07.920 you guys did, but I was into it. And then now I just, 2632 02:37:07.399 --> 02:37:09.680 oh, like, don't even look at him anymore. Yeah, yeah, 2633 02:37:11.719 --> 02:37:15.000 it's I think part of it is just the three sixty was better at 2634 02:37:15.120 --> 02:37:16.920 well, it was first at doing the achievement stuff when PS three didn't have 2635 02:37:18.040 --> 02:37:20.360 it. So when PS three rolled out was already kind of too late. 2636 02:37:20.399 --> 02:37:22.719 Like I had already built up a big number over on three sixties. So 2637 02:37:22.760 --> 02:37:26.360 that's the number that is worth caring about. And now like everything's more up 2638 02:37:26.360 --> 02:37:28.760 in the air, like steam achievements never mattered. Ye, don't make a 2639 02:37:28.840 --> 02:37:33.239 sound, you know that. Well, Yeah, that's you don't make you 2640 02:37:33.280 --> 02:37:35.200 don't hear a sound when you get your achievement. What's the point? Well, 2641 02:37:35.200 --> 02:37:37.879 also, if you can download a thing to unlock achieve in the game, 2642 02:37:37.879 --> 02:37:41.479 I know what the actual argument is. Yeah, uh yeah, it's 2643 02:37:43.479 --> 02:37:48.159 I used to really be interested in in like achievement design and like how those 2644 02:37:48.200 --> 02:37:50.280 things get determined and all that sort of stuff. But at some point, 2645 02:37:50.479 --> 02:37:52.200 like it all just went away and I was like, I don't get a 2646 02:37:52.239 --> 02:37:56.879 fuck. It's weird. I don't know. I can still get down with 2647 02:37:56.000 --> 02:38:00.920 some really clever achievement design, you know, even if I don't, I'm 2648 02:38:00.920 --> 02:38:03.360 more thaying like I won't even be aware that exists, right, Like, 2649 02:38:03.360 --> 02:38:05.840 because I used to like look up what the achievements are before I play the 2650 02:38:05.879 --> 02:38:07.280 game. I still do that, and I'd look for stuff I used to 2651 02:38:07.399 --> 02:38:11.719 back in the mid like mid three sixty I would go on like X three 2652 02:38:11.840 --> 02:38:13.799 sixty eight out of ORGEA. Not only that, I would if I would 2653 02:38:13.799 --> 02:38:16.920 find their guide, and I would specifically look at like, all right, 2654 02:38:16.959 --> 02:38:18.440 what are the missible achievements? Because I want to make sure I can there's 2655 02:38:18.479 --> 02:38:22.159 nothing I'm gonna lock myself out of my first play through? What do I 2656 02:38:22.200 --> 02:38:24.600 make sure I'm doing yeah, like what gun do I need twenty kills with? 2657 02:38:24.760 --> 02:38:26.239 Right? Like, but to the extent that I would like read what 2658 02:38:26.399 --> 02:38:30.840 we're basically like spoilers based on like they're all like, all right, well 2659 02:38:30.879 --> 02:38:33.159 on this mission when you're fighting this guy, make sure you do this because 2660 02:38:33.159 --> 02:38:35.719 you can't go back and do It's like I would like ruin plot points for 2661 02:38:35.799 --> 02:38:39.879 myself to make sure I didn't miss stuff. Definitely not that crazy about it 2662 02:38:39.920 --> 02:38:41.879 anymore. I think that's, you know, a similar argument but in a 2663 02:38:41.920 --> 02:38:46.559 different way about like Fallout and like how you spec a character determining like you 2664 02:38:46.639 --> 02:38:48.959 know what you can do in the game and all that sort of stuff. 2665 02:38:50.000 --> 02:38:50.840 Like there is that feeling of like, well, I don't want to miss 2666 02:38:52.000 --> 02:38:54.879 anything. Yeah, so I want to make sure I can hack every door 2667 02:38:54.360 --> 02:39:00.680 on to make sure I can read every single like email that fake email that 2668 02:39:00.719 --> 02:39:05.520 they wrote to somebody else, even though they're all bad. Uh tum Rider 2669 02:39:05.600 --> 02:39:09.239 does something like what he's talking about that I am way into their achievements for 2670 02:39:09.280 --> 02:39:13.040 getting twenty five and seventy five percent of the collectibles in the game, but 2671 02:39:13.079 --> 02:39:16.559 that's it. Uh far cry Forward did the same thing. Yeah, you 2672 02:39:16.639 --> 02:39:20.479 could get all the collectible trophies and achievements in that game without getting everything, 2673 02:39:22.200 --> 02:39:26.879 which I am all for. H Jason Atlanta, Are you guys ever getting 2674 02:39:26.920 --> 02:39:30.920 ready to record a podcast and then are just like, man, fuck video 2675 02:39:31.000 --> 02:39:33.120 games. I do not want to talk about this garbage for another three hours. 2676 02:39:35.920 --> 02:39:39.079 No, no, yeah, yeah, no, yeah. The podcast. 2677 02:39:39.159 --> 02:39:43.360 This podcast is probably one of the most enjoyable things that we do, 2678 02:39:43.600 --> 02:39:46.879 or that I do. It's fun, it's fun. It's fun to wrap 2679 02:39:46.920 --> 02:39:48.799 about the stuff you're playing. Like we don't always. We don't always have 2680 02:39:48.959 --> 02:39:54.200 these conversations during the week, especially not on Mondays because we're getting ready to 2681 02:39:54.239 --> 02:39:56.520 record, So there's always like we did some shit over the weekend and we're 2682 02:39:56.520 --> 02:39:58.479 not going to talk about it until we get up here. Kind of have 2683 02:39:58.559 --> 02:40:01.639 to save it. Yeah. He has another question, how come no one 2684 02:40:01.760 --> 02:40:05.840 ever uses buns as a term for buttocks anymore until Dawn did it and it 2685 02:40:05.920 --> 02:40:11.120 seemed weird? Dave, do you remember that? I don't remember when somebody 2686 02:40:11.159 --> 02:40:13.280 said buns? And then probably the reason I don't remember it because I don't 2687 02:40:13.319 --> 02:40:16.399 think buns is not it doesn't strike me as like a weird thing to say 2688 02:40:16.399 --> 02:40:20.639 anymore. I don't know, but I'm old, so sounds very eighties to 2689 02:40:20.680 --> 02:40:24.479 me, like buns, Buns of steel. Absolutely. I think it's only 2690 02:40:24.520 --> 02:40:28.440 fun to talk about buns if you use a z Okay, sure giving him 2691 02:40:28.520 --> 02:40:33.799 buns, you know, yeah said buns. So I think we're like late 2692 02:40:33.840 --> 02:40:37.600 eighties. We're talking about that Nicki Minaj song that samples baby Got Back, 2693 02:40:37.760 --> 02:40:41.600 like just came out this year. So buns are back as far as I'm 2694 02:40:41.600 --> 02:40:46.920 concerned. They they never left left, all right. Always incredibly important. 2695 02:40:46.959 --> 02:40:52.959 That's good to know. They'll always be around. Buds will always be around, 2696 02:40:52.559 --> 02:41:01.520 that's true. Uh. Next email comes in from Cereal the podcast. 2697 02:41:01.559 --> 02:41:05.600 I hope I'm saying that, No, hope finally break through. They're gonna 2698 02:41:05.639 --> 02:41:09.040 give us the name of the person we decided to release this on another podcast. 2699 02:41:09.040 --> 02:41:11.040 Don't block this guy's name. I don't know if I said it right, 2700 02:41:11.040 --> 02:41:15.479 Okay, I think I did. Uh. My friend insists that pizza 2701 02:41:15.600 --> 02:41:24.360 is an open faced sandwich because pizza is ingredients and block his address. Jonathan 2702 02:41:24.479 --> 02:41:28.520 writes in, and hang on, I'm gonna skip that one now. This 2703 02:41:28.639 --> 02:41:33.280 one's from Wesley and that was face sandwich. That was decisive. Fuck yourself, 2704 02:41:33.399 --> 02:41:39.479 that's great. God. Uh greetings from Wesley in Belgium. What's the 2705 02:41:39.559 --> 02:41:41.200 best Chicago pizza? And can I get it here? Pe quads? No, 2706 02:41:41.280 --> 02:41:46.040 you cannot, John, the one that some dude is making in his 2707 02:41:46.079 --> 02:41:48.799 fucking garage. No, how is Georgiana. I was looked upon by natives. 2708 02:41:48.920 --> 02:41:52.280 It's a beat here. Really, it's good, really good. Have 2709 02:41:52.399 --> 02:41:56.120 you have you had any of San Francisco's deep dish off of not nothing? 2710 02:41:56.280 --> 02:42:01.479 No, I've never been. When I'm here, I'm I you can get 2711 02:42:01.520 --> 02:42:03.319 that anytime, right, Well, no, it's not that i'd like to 2712 02:42:03.360 --> 02:42:05.040 see. I'd like to try it out. Just most of us are a 2713 02:42:05.200 --> 02:42:07.719 laugh at it. But uh, the people that I hang out with here 2714 02:42:07.719 --> 02:42:11.799 aren't like, let's go get deep dish, right, yeah, just get 2715 02:42:11.840 --> 02:42:13.879 a little star going out here on business and they're taking you to fancy your 2716 02:42:13.920 --> 02:42:18.600 places. Exactly? Is cornmeal crust the thing in Chicago is. Okay, 2717 02:42:18.680 --> 02:42:22.879 yeah, that's a that's a that's a hallmark of a A and S tire 2718 02:42:22.959 --> 02:42:26.159 pizzas. Okay, yes, wow, okay, Yeah, a little star 2719 02:42:26.319 --> 02:42:28.840 is all about the corn meal. It's probably yeah, it's probably good. 2720 02:42:28.959 --> 02:42:31.399 It's good. Yeah. Crust is like the stealth most important part of pizza. 2721 02:42:31.559 --> 02:42:35.000 Yeah, steps the best nothing, it's the it's the thing it is 2722 02:42:35.079 --> 02:42:39.200 on the good crust is step crust. Well bad bad crust can really fuck 2723 02:42:39.280 --> 02:42:43.000 up an otherwise good pizza. Yes, that is what I would say. 2724 02:42:43.479 --> 02:42:46.120 All right, Wesley writes in from Belgium. I want a pizza real bad, 2725 02:42:46.239 --> 02:42:48.200 Yeah, really good. I'm really hungry. We need to get out 2726 02:42:48.239 --> 02:42:52.159 of here. It's dinner time. Two more emails. In a few months, 2727 02:42:52.239 --> 02:42:56.399 my baby girl will be born. And because me and my wife are 2728 02:42:56.479 --> 02:43:01.319 frequent gamers, we are thinking of some game character names. Just stop. 2729 02:43:01.760 --> 02:43:05.920 So I wanted this to serve as a cautionary tale. All right, go 2730 02:43:05.040 --> 02:43:07.479 on, we couldn't find a lot of names, and now we're stuck. 2731 02:43:07.920 --> 02:43:13.000 The name's Faith from Mirror's Edge and Gladys no portal, I mean Gladys's real 2732 02:43:13.120 --> 02:43:16.680 name, so it's Faith. Are now our favorites? Yeah, but that 2733 02:43:16.799 --> 02:43:18.280 was that was glass Doss right. That wasn't Gladys right, it was it 2734 02:43:18.360 --> 02:43:26.120 was It's os differently, but it's pronounced like Gladys is like a crazy old 2735 02:43:26.200 --> 02:43:31.079 lady name. Like don't Gladys is dirty? Like that's that the like, 2736 02:43:31.239 --> 02:43:35.440 let's bring back these names that we're only given to people years ago, and 2737 02:43:35.520 --> 02:43:37.280 so you think of them as like, you know, my really old aunt 2738 02:43:37.440 --> 02:43:41.799 was named It's like I would, I would stare clear of faith, even 2739 02:43:41.840 --> 02:43:46.200 if it was not video game related, like don't give any obvious angle to 2740 02:43:46.280 --> 02:43:48.000 be made fun of it. Like like if your kid's name, like you 2741 02:43:48.079 --> 02:43:52.719 know, like hey, you know, just use your name in a phrase 2742 02:43:52.879 --> 02:43:56.399 like don't do it, don't do it to him? Buns y z with 2743 02:43:56.520 --> 02:44:00.399 that? Who would make fun of that? Man, that's awesome, that's 2744 02:44:00.479 --> 02:44:03.479 great. Yeah, I don't know. I can't. I cannot, Sorry, 2745 02:44:03.520 --> 02:44:07.200 Wesley, I don't think we can endorse the naming of your child. 2746 02:44:07.639 --> 02:44:11.159 The weird naming kids is weird because it's like before the kid's born, it 2747 02:44:11.200 --> 02:44:13.840 seems like the most important thing in the world. And then the minute the 2748 02:44:13.959 --> 02:44:16.559 kid's born, you realize, like, oh, any name would have been 2749 02:44:16.600 --> 02:44:20.159 fun for a while, like we totally debate, like my boy, we 2750 02:44:20.239 --> 02:44:24.959 waited three days to name him. Wow, And it was like yeah, 2751 02:44:24.000 --> 02:44:26.440 it's like it's just really weird. It seems like it's super important, and 2752 02:44:26.479 --> 02:44:30.120 you fight over it, you get an arguments about it, and you trade 2753 02:44:30.239 --> 02:44:33.159 stuff you like ghost shatter, and then the kids born it's like, oh, 2754 02:44:33.200 --> 02:44:35.959 any of those names would have been perfectly fine, Like thank god, 2755 02:44:35.079 --> 02:44:39.639 this kid's healthy. Yeah you know. It's like, yeah, you're right, 2756 02:44:39.799 --> 02:44:45.639 Adolph. It is oh no, oh boy, all right. Last 2757 02:44:45.680 --> 02:44:48.200 email comes in from Jonathan, also mister Hitler, if you're nasty, yeah, 2758 02:44:50.559 --> 02:44:52.920 very nasty. Jonathan wants to know if he's screwing up as a father. 2759 02:44:54.719 --> 02:44:56.680 Chances already. Yes. Recently, my four year old daughter has been 2760 02:44:56.760 --> 02:45:01.520 watching me play Metal Gear Solid five. I should probably stop there, but 2761 02:45:01.600 --> 02:45:03.799 I'll continue. While I was playing one day, she asked me, what's 2762 02:45:03.840 --> 02:45:09.559 that man's name? And I said Snake. She repeats Snake. He's cool, 2763 02:45:09.680 --> 02:45:13.799 daddy, I laughed. She proceeded to ask me more questions about Snake 2764 02:45:13.319 --> 02:45:16.399 as her interest screw. She would cheer when I choked out bad guys and 2765 02:45:16.520 --> 02:45:20.719 scream if I got detected while sneaking kids. Seems cool. Deep down, 2766 02:45:20.760 --> 02:45:24.680 yeah, deep down I knew she really should not be watching, but I 2767 02:45:24.799 --> 02:45:28.600 was enjoying our strange bonding time. To make a long story short, she 2768 02:45:28.760 --> 02:45:31.959 is obsessed now, and it's all my fault. I finished the game and 2769 02:45:31.000 --> 02:45:35.159 hope she'd forget about metal Gear, but she hasn't. She now watches people 2770 02:45:35.239 --> 02:45:39.079 play it on YouTube. This is a four year old that's obsessed, has 2771 02:45:39.200 --> 02:45:41.959 unfettered access to YouTube. Yes, yeah, kid's gonna be president officially doing 2772 02:45:41.959 --> 02:45:45.319 a bad job. Yeah, I don't know. But also let me let 2773 02:45:45.360 --> 02:45:48.920 me you're doing a bad job. But it also doesn't matter because the kid's 2774 02:45:48.959 --> 02:45:52.120 only going to play Minecraft. That's the reality of it. Yeah, like 2775 02:45:52.399 --> 02:45:54.719 that's probably right, fostered the metal gear thing, but then also add professional 2776 02:45:54.760 --> 02:45:58.120 wrestling. If you fostered the metal gear, you'll be ensuring that she does 2777 02:45:58.120 --> 02:46:00.600 not give a shit about metal gear when she turned seven, that's true, 2778 02:46:00.760 --> 02:46:03.559 Like you can't push Yeah yeah, Like I know someone who named their daughter's 2779 02:46:03.600 --> 02:46:07.680 middle name Shell from Portal and then the whole room is all like Portal crap 2780 02:46:07.760 --> 02:46:09.200 and mirrors and stuff. Like you're just gonna make them hate video games? 2781 02:46:09.280 --> 02:46:13.280 Yeah, what are you doing if you're plus, they're only gonna like Minecraft? 2782 02:46:13.719 --> 02:46:16.040 I mean, so I think it's weird. Let's get serious here for 2783 02:46:16.040 --> 02:46:18.360 a second. You don't mind, Like, do you think Minecraft has like 2784 02:46:18.920 --> 02:46:22.000 the legs to be Like when this kid is like like the inten in ten 2785 02:46:22.079 --> 02:46:26.079 years, will it will it be a Minecraft too? Or will it just 2786 02:46:26.239 --> 02:46:30.239 be Minecraft as it exists today, will always exist and be built on and 2787 02:46:30.360 --> 02:46:33.040 be built you know. I mean it's we think. I think, uh, 2788 02:46:35.159 --> 02:46:37.319 Microcraft has to sell it to people again. Ninety million units of the 2789 02:46:37.399 --> 02:46:41.920 game, right, Yeah, there's like more YouTube videos on Minecraft than like 2790 02:46:43.159 --> 02:46:46.120 almost everything else put together. So I heard some sane stat like that, 2791 02:46:46.319 --> 02:46:50.760 right, like the Yeah, Minecraft is like Star Wars, right, It's 2792 02:46:50.760 --> 02:46:54.239 like this generation Star Wars. It's gonna be here for twenty five years. 2793 02:46:54.600 --> 02:47:01.600 Like half my kid's wardrobe is Minecraft ships. It's all Minecraft ship That's all 2794 02:47:01.639 --> 02:47:09.559 it is. We're Doomedraft is good. But at the same time, you'd 2795 02:47:09.639 --> 02:47:13.280 like to think it would change at some point and evolve and like the ways 2796 02:47:13.319 --> 02:47:18.280 that it only can when it becomes an entirely new game, right, I 2797 02:47:18.360 --> 02:47:20.440 don't know, I mean we're not. I don't know what. Is it 2798 02:47:20.520 --> 02:47:24.000 too complete already? It should just be left as is. I don't know. 2799 02:47:24.200 --> 02:47:26.280 It's highly modeble. It's yeah, maybe they don't need to do anything 2800 02:47:26.319 --> 02:47:33.079 else. It seems to be too fine, I guess, so they'll probably 2801 02:47:33.120 --> 02:47:35.840 be fine with it. I mean, there's more question of what could they 2802 02:47:35.879 --> 02:47:37.639 do if they broke from what they had and completely started fresh, right, 2803 02:47:39.120 --> 02:47:41.840 But I mean they're getting the premise. I guess what Jeff's getting at. 2804 02:47:41.840 --> 02:47:45.079 It's like we're doomed, is like why would they ever do that? Yeah? 2805 02:47:45.520 --> 02:47:48.479 Like if right, yeah if like like and when I say we're doomed, 2806 02:47:48.559 --> 02:47:52.479 I mean like it becomes like if there's one game to serve everyone, 2807 02:47:52.879 --> 02:47:56.479 there is no game business. It's a Minecraft business. Yeah. See, 2808 02:47:56.520 --> 02:48:00.079 I don't think it's like that at all. Like I think, like like 2809 02:48:00.520 --> 02:48:03.200 my three kids, I have a twelve year old and nine year old and 2810 02:48:03.200 --> 02:48:07.319 a seven year old girl. Boy girl. They all play and love Minecraft. 2811 02:48:07.399 --> 02:48:11.239 The two on the outside are not video game players. The differences Minecraft 2812 02:48:11.319 --> 02:48:16.040 gets non video game players. My boy loves Minecraft, plays Minecraft all the 2813 02:48:16.079 --> 02:48:18.399 time, but he also will play other stuff, like he loves Mario stuff 2814 02:48:18.399 --> 02:48:22.159 like you know, you like they're but he loves Minecraft most but he still 2815 02:48:22.159 --> 02:48:24.000 plays other things. One day, I'm sure we'll get sick of Minecraft, 2816 02:48:24.120 --> 02:48:26.440 like eventually, like I got sick of playing with my Star Wars figures, 2817 02:48:26.520 --> 02:48:31.360 right, We'll move on other stuff. But like every kid is gonna play 2818 02:48:31.440 --> 02:48:33.559 Minecraft and love it obsessily for years. I think it's just like I've not 2819 02:48:33.920 --> 02:48:37.520 like literally every kid, but I think, uh, now, it won't 2820 02:48:37.520 --> 02:48:41.760 be metal gear. It was never gonna be metal gear. Yeah. I 2821 02:48:41.799 --> 02:48:46.559 mean, they're never gonna make another metal gear, so maybe they'll do metal 2822 02:48:46.600 --> 02:48:50.920 gear skins for Minecraft. Yea. Also, like Venom, Snake is not 2823 02:48:50.000 --> 02:48:54.440 a hero for your daughter to look at and applause. Probably pretty cool, 2824 02:48:56.639 --> 02:49:03.799 but like cool doesn't factor into it. He's a noble soldiery. Dan never 2825 02:49:03.879 --> 02:49:05.799 have children. I'm not planning on it. Okay, yeah, all right, 2826 02:49:05.799 --> 02:49:09.399 I mean he turns bad, but at this point he's a noble soldier. 2827 02:49:11.239 --> 02:49:16.239 Bombcasts a giant palm dot com see email address Dave Lang. Yes, 2828 02:49:16.319 --> 02:49:18.360 sir, thank you for being here, Thank you for having me, Thank 2829 02:49:18.399 --> 02:49:22.040 you for hanging man. Thanks for asking me questions. You know some people 2830 02:49:22.079 --> 02:49:28.159 are afraid to ask. Yeah, we stepped it up and you're still awake. 2831 02:49:28.840 --> 02:49:30.600 Did it You made it? Hanging on? Yeah? I made it. 2832 02:49:31.360 --> 02:49:35.200 We even moving it back forth in that chair. I'm to get my 2833 02:49:35.239 --> 02:49:37.719 movement. This is why I was doing push up club yesterday, because I 2834 02:49:37.760 --> 02:49:39.680 knew if I to sat in the chair for too long, I would just 2835 02:49:41.520 --> 02:49:43.440 flowing ten. I got going now. It's a little shimmy. Plus it's 2836 02:49:43.479 --> 02:49:46.879 just sexy as hell. It's true. I wasn't gonna say anything because I 2837 02:49:48.000 --> 02:49:50.520 was audio and I don't want to deprive people. But that's the real reason 2838 02:49:50.559 --> 02:49:52.520 we have to end this podcast. I was having trouble containing myself over here 2839 02:49:54.200 --> 02:49:56.239 time, so we have to get out of here now. Stuff happening this 2840 02:49:56.280 --> 02:49:58.920 week, I don't know. Reviews of things are up. Yeah, I'm 2841 02:50:00.239 --> 02:50:03.399 finished up a Fallout review right now. I just need to mess with the 2842 02:50:03.479 --> 02:50:07.200 other versions of the game to check that out. And yeah, man, 2843 02:50:07.639 --> 02:50:11.200 games, I believe some stuff will get live streamed. That's that's probable. 2844 02:50:11.239 --> 02:50:13.000 It seems to be the case. Yeah, don't stop. Uh, there's 2845 02:50:13.000 --> 02:50:16.239 a hey, there's a new StarCraft coming out, all right, remember that. 2846 02:50:16.639 --> 02:50:20.639 No, it's a new episode of Teams GFP Radio. Oh yeah, 2847 02:50:20.799 --> 02:50:22.760 yeah, that's right. It's got hype. Yeah, what do you what 2848 02:50:22.799 --> 02:50:26.399 do you want to plugally's one of our worst episodes ever. Fantastic people going 2849 02:50:26.440 --> 02:50:28.280 on a good note. Great, that's actually all I want to plug. 2850 02:50:28.319 --> 02:50:31.399 It sounds like a good type to get in. Yeah, yeah, that's 2851 02:50:31.479 --> 02:50:35.079 that's always gonna let you plug, right, Just Team GFP Radio blown up 2852 02:50:35.040 --> 02:50:37.680 out of Chicago. All right, Well that's gonna do it. Then let's 2853 02:50:37.680 --> 02:50:41.600 go. Let's go get some bone marrow. What do you say, it's 2854 02:50:41.680 --> 02:50:45.079 just a heaping glass of it. Yeah, it's just like salty butters. 2855 02:50:45.079 --> 02:50:46.840 They don't give you enough of it. They don't give you that much, 2856 02:50:46.920 --> 02:50:50.280 like did you Yeah, I gotta stay. I went out for a steak 2857 02:50:50.319 --> 02:50:54.799 not that long ago and got like I would say, too much bone marrow. 2858 02:50:54.840 --> 02:50:58.120 So that was probably bone marrow butter. So it's not bone marrow. 2859 02:50:58.159 --> 02:51:00.760 It's probably bone marrow with butter. It's probably you got on a steak. 2860 02:51:01.719 --> 02:51:03.079 But it wasn't on the steak. It was like here's a bone with a 2861 02:51:03.120 --> 02:51:07.280 buch of stuff like interesting. Yeah, but and it was like the quantity 2862 02:51:07.360 --> 02:51:09.840 of it was like almost alarming. Yeah, you don't want it because it's 2863 02:51:09.840 --> 02:51:13.239 super savory. It's super salty, like too much of it is. Yeah, 2864 02:51:13.840 --> 02:51:16.760 it was. It was up to me to apply it how I wanted 2865 02:51:16.799 --> 02:51:18.799 to, so you know, it was like sparingly at best. But also 2866 02:51:18.840 --> 02:51:22.600 I should probably say that they said the steak was for two people, like 2867 02:51:22.799 --> 02:51:26.559 might go to steakhouse. It's impressive. Uh, they have bone marrow butter 2868 02:51:26.639 --> 02:51:30.959 they put on top of the steaks and oh my, oh man, jeez, 2869 02:51:31.440 --> 02:51:35.440 that's intense. I'm going back home right now and cock on the plane. 2870 02:51:35.479 --> 02:51:37.239 Oh I really want a steak? Now what kind of what was the 2871 02:51:37.280 --> 02:51:41.159 cut? I didn't have all kinds of I usually get just uh fifty five 2872 02:51:41.600 --> 02:51:46.959 day dry aged filet nice I'll get yeah, yeah, I usually go for 2873 02:51:46.040 --> 02:51:50.840 file at these days kind of smaller and eight medium rare. Ye get a 2874 02:51:50.920 --> 02:51:54.319 lot of sides, okay, spread the calories around. Man, so angry? 2875 02:51:54.120 --> 02:51:56.520 I go back and forth. Was your for two? Is what I 2876 02:51:56.559 --> 02:52:03.479 was? Like? I want to forget like the Porterhouse or something. I 2877 02:52:03.600 --> 02:52:07.600 go back and forth like there's something be said about the nice smallest steak. 2878 02:52:07.520 --> 02:52:13.239 But man, sometimes just lot you just want to slab a beef. Sometimes 2879 02:52:13.280 --> 02:52:16.040 I just like want to go, like, give me whatever the fucking massive 2880 02:52:16.120 --> 02:52:20.319 prime rib you've got, casino, give me this fucking like you've advertised a 2881 02:52:20.399 --> 02:52:24.120 nice eight dollars prime rible, let's fucking see it. Put, I'll give 2882 02:52:24.120 --> 02:52:26.479 you sixteen dollars double up. Put the beef of your mouth is yes, 2883 02:52:26.639 --> 02:52:31.079 that's that's my intent. Yes, finally, all right, Well on that 2884 02:52:31.239 --> 02:52:33.360 note, we have our path is clear. Now let's get that all out 2885 02:52:33.360 --> 02:52:37.040 of here. Uh. See next week for another edition of the Jenny Bob 2886 02:52:37.079 --> 02:52:39.000 Cast. Bye bye,