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Now let's take a little break, come back and talk to Saint Louis Blues.
I'd like to introduce our next guest, Mike Meyer, formally of the
Hockey News and this guy covers the Saint Louis Blues a lot, so he
has all the inside scoop for us. Mike, how you do it today?
Hey, I'm doing great, appreciate you having me on, Yes,
sir, The Saint Louis Blues are an interesting team to follow it. It
was a rough year, rough year for the Blues. I think that's probably
fair to say on the whole. They fired their coach early on, a
guy who led them to a Stanley Cup and four playoff appearances in his first
five seasons, and even after replacing him, there were a lot of things
at the end of the year that the Blues didn't net out very well at
areas where they were among the ten worst teams in the NHL. Included shots
taken, shots allowed, power play efficiency and goals scored and moreover, the
top talent on the team was relatively healthy. Justin Fauken Scott Prunovich missed a
pretty good stretch. But overall, their team was their team this year,
I believe. So that was a tough start. On the flip side,
there were some good things to say about how the results came out. Not
many power play attempt opportunities against, they gave up a few power plays relative
to other teams, and because they were one of the least penalized teams and
their goalie player will get to but the results there surprising, some very positive
things. I know I've just hit you with a lot of negatives there,
Mike, But there's a lot of good and a lot to learn about this
team. What do we make all in all of the blue season? And
what do you think is coming next for this team? You're remaking, You're
making me relive all of the fun that went this past season. I'm sorry,
I guess no, it was I said, you know before the season
started, before twenty three twenty four started. As long as we see some
statistical improvements, I'll be happy. We saw a couple of different guys who
moved the needle here a little bit. We saw some progression. It was
not going to be a year that I expected them to to make the playoffs,
and the fact that it came down to was like Game eighty where they're
like still in it. This was for year one of a retool. Was
actually quite surprising. I think for a lot of people, including myself,
I really didn't think that this season was going to be chalked up as a
negative here by any stretch of the imagination. The defense you know here on
the whole, if you consider two years ago was like an this season here,
I would give it like a C. It wasn't great. It wasn't
mind blowing. We saw a whole heck of a lot less backdoor passes for
goals. We saw better performances here from the goaltenders. We saw a little
bit of particular in some scoring. So again it wasn't mind blowing, but
it moved the needle here a little bit, and I think that's what most
fans were looking for here in this year one retool. Yeah, I guess
I was pushing just the overall take, but you're right. They were a
frisky team late the year, and that sexual division was brutal, and so
it's not surprising that it didn't quite work out. But yeah, they were
in it until the very end. And one of the reasons they were in
it up until the last few games of the season was Robert Thomas. He
had another stellar year, finishing over a point per game and fifteenth in the
National Hockey League in assists. His shots. That's something that we've harped on
the show. Year after years he's not taken enough shots. His shots per
game did increase quite a bit this year, forty three percent increase over two
per game. He was consistent over the course of the year in terms of
his overall play, and so a lot of good things to say about Robert
Thomas. What did you see from him this year and what do you expect
from him going forward? I think that you hit the nail right on the
head, because everybody who would watch Robert Thomas play would simply say, point,
if this guy could just shoot more like you'd watch him in warm ups
like that is a heck of a release. And you just you were you
could see it, You could see it happening. You could be able to
see his hand eye coordination, able to see what he was capable of.
Just was it just something just was holding him back. He would rather make
the pass than be able to just put the shot on net. And so
finally now that he I think has taken the reins here as the team's number
one and let's be honest, probably number two center here as well, just
because that's where the Blues center of depth is here. At this point in
time, he's easily a top twenty or just sky of the top twenty point
producer here like in the NHL, and now he's again taking that number one
center here across across the Saint Louis Blues franchise. I think that he's still
going to be a very valued member here in fantasy. With him completing eight
hundred and seventy six face offs wins, it was like just over fifty three
percent here of a success rate. I still think that he maintains and being
one of the most underrated centers across the NHL who is just now hitting a
stride. So for guys who are in the yearly fantasies, I think you're
going to get a heck of a value pick. You're still for him because
I think there's a lot of people who still undervalue him, and for guys
who are in dynasty leagues, if you have not tried to buy on him,
trust me, his owner realizes his potential right now because I really liken
him to this generation's Claude Drue and I think that he's going to end up
becoming It's a lofty goal, I know, but I really think he's got
that kind of the potential here in him. Wow, that would be outstanding
if we get that out of him. The other main name, I guess,
the big name and the forward ranks of this team, Jordan Cayrou Thomas
led the team in points and assists. Kyrou led it in goals, with
thirty one and sixty seven total points in a full complement of eighty two games.
There was talk that Kyru might not have been as consistent as guys like
Thomas were for the team this year, and maybe as team Brass would have
liked him. But similar to Thomas in terms of an overall profile, not
a lot of blocks and hits, but Kyru is the one who really takes
the shots. He takes more than three a game, and unlike the other
big two on the team, where we'll get to the next guy in a
little bit. Kyru has a reasonably positive impact not only on even strength offense,
but on even strength defense. If you look at the goals above replacement
models from Evolving Hockey, that's a good thing that he does. What's the
word on Jordan Cayrou and what are you expecting next year? Looking back at
last year, it was almost a tale of two seasons with him before Urube
was fired, and that was on the December twelfth, after that six or
four last year against At that point in time, Kiro had five goals seventeen
points through twenty eight games, averaging just over three shots here per game.
If you continue that pace, you're looking at a guy who went from over
thirty goal scored to fourteen to fifteen goals here on the season. It was
a large underperformance here from him. Brubeys fired, Bannister comes in. It
wasn't an immediate fix. But Kyro then scores twenty six goals and fifty points
over the last fifty four games of the season, a thirty nine goal seventy
five point pacer from him. Again, tale of two different seasons. I
don't know if we're going to necessarily see a seventy five to eighty point pacer
from him this coming season. But I think you could be able to easily
chalk him up for again close to thirty goals, if not exceeding thirty goals.
Shoot, people in Saint Louis were expecting him to be a forty fifty
goal scorer. Bill just keep seeing this progression here from him. So now
that Bannister has excited and his two year contract extension here with the Blues they
picked him up, I think you we're gonna be able to see the Jordan
kyr that we have become expected to be able to see. So could we
see him be able to hit forty? Yeah? Absolutely? Could you be
able to see fifty? Just depends on his linemates, I think, in
the opportunity, But I think you're gonna be able to see the same goal
scorer that you saw within that Drew Banister era. Oh, there are on
some big numbers getting us excited over here. I love it. Lofty goals.
Yeah, we're going to move on to Pavel Butchnievich and he you know,
has been on the older side. Now he's going to be thirty this
upcoming season. Still a really decent contract for one more year that the Blues
have him for we've we're referencing our tier dynasty. He was one hundred and
sixteenth, a little bit on the low side, and I think that's an
important factor here because Buchnavich the first two seasons in Saint Louis after coming over
from the Rangers, which I still maintained was such a steal for the Blues.
But he was over point per game, looked fantastic, and this season
it didn't go quite as well sixty five point pace. His shooting percentage was
the lowest that's been in the past four years, so that was probably part
of it. But his time on ice was good. It's the most he's
ever played. His power play time on ice was the most he's ever gotten,
so it seems like he was getting really good opportunity including offensive zone starts
and power play time and things like that. So I guess the question,
is he someone who's gonna be with the team long term? Do you think
they might trade him at the deadline? And can he get back to being
that point per game player that we were so happy about in fantasy. That's
the I guess you could call it the eight million dollar question. That's what
they're expecting that booch Dan which is going to be able to earn here on
his next contract extension. Do I want him to stay as a member here
of the Blues. Yes, absolutely, Do I expect him to stay?
Boy I am about if I had able to answer that question, I'm about
twenty five percent optimistic that they're going to be able to keep him. He
doesn't necessarily match the core here of this team simply due to his age,
and that kind of worries me. However, we have seen Doug Armstrong put
out a lot of contracts here for a lot of players that kind of leave
us with our head scratching here a little bit, and so it wouldn't necessarily
surprise me that they try to be able to retain the rights and be able
to keep Bochnavich here long term. Again, like you said, he produced
really well when he first came in, start slowly dipping even though he saw
the increase here in an ice time, he only had forty two points in
fifty four games underneath a Banister after twenty one and twenty six under Berube.
So I would expect here personally, contract seasons are usually good for production.
You know, they want able to really go all gung ho here Ford able
to help make sure that their value here is increased. I think he's still
going to be a very valuable asset. But again that's the eight million dollar
question whether or not that they're gonna be able to retain him. So we'll
see. Let's talk about Braden Shin because us fantasy managers, we might like
Braden Sheen more than the average people because he throws hits. We love the
one hundred and sixty nine hits and one hundred and seventy shots and even for
forward, fifty one blocks is pretty nice. He played a full eighty two
last year, forty six points, and so he's thirty two years old now,
and the signs of where at age thirty two we're there a little bit.
I always worry about somebody who reaches their mid thirties and they throw that
many hits and use their bodies so much over time and their potential longevity.
Those forty six points that he had marked his lowest total in a full season
since twenty thirteen dash fourteen. He signed for several more years, just spent
his first as the captain of the Saint Louis Blues, And so what I
post to you, Mike, is Shen due for a bounce back in his
second year with the captain c or are we expecting just this physical half point
per game scoring era of Shen's career just going forward. Whenever I was looking
here at his point totals, I like you, he's reaching here his mid
thirties. Get very nervous. I look at him mora along the lines here
with David bachist type that he's a big power forward. But boy, we
saw a wicket drop off with David Bachis here at the end of his career,
and I'm hoping that God that does not happen here for Brandon Chen because
the Blues cannot go to a Ford having that large of a contract and him
producing at a bottom six forward type of a production. He's still going to
get the opportunity. I think he's going to absolutely get the opportunity be able
to play here second line. He's playing second line center here most of the
year, but they may need to him to be able to move off with
the wing if they can find somebody to help play the center position. He's
still very valuable, but it just it depends on some of these young guys
who are going to potentially able to come up, so you could still maybe
able to count him in around twenty goals. It took him until roughly the
very last game here the season, don't to score this twentieth, but at
that point in time you may be able to still again count him for half
a point to fifty points. But yeah, production year after year beyond that
age thirty to thirty one season, it's rough. All Right, we're gonna
go to a bit of a pick'm here. We're gonna go Brandon Sod against
Jake Nighbors. And these two are pretty different in a lot of ways.
Brandon Sod's quite a bit older, Jake Neighbors a bit younger. Also,
aside from the point pace that was essentially very similar forty two point pace for
Sod forty one for Neighbors, the bash, the block, shots and hits
are completely different for these two. Jake Nighbors brings a lot of peripheral coverage
that sod Is really seems allergic to at times, for lack of a better
way of putting it, he doesn't really do any of the peripheral blocks and
hits, but he does shoot. They both shoot about the same though actually
so and defensively you have both of them being really not great defensively, So
I'm wondering if that factors into But between these two that have both averaged a
round a half point per game, do you think we'll see one of them
take the lead here? Certainly Neighbors had some really good parts of the season
where he looked great and then he seemed like he hit a wall at some
points, potentially, and what do we He's only one hundred and twenty nine
games into his NHL career, Sad obviously a seasoned veteran. What do you
think between these two? I think you got to look at the the ice
time of the deployment tier Neighbors was was a player who worked his way at
the very beginning of the season, he was on the fourth line. He
worked his way here up to the top line, earning every single minute that
this guy here was getting. At this point, Sods slowing down, veteran
on the team, he's looking like that he's going to be probably relegated down
to a bottom six role, probably finding a good home here consistently on the
third line. And while like you, you hit the nail in here on
the head while sod end of the year, he had twenty six goals,
forty two points and he only outscored neighbors by four points still while playing five
more though, And so should Jake stay healthy and he can be, he's
going to continue to maintain that role right in front of the net. He's
going to be that disturber that's right there, taking the eyes away here from
the goalie. And I think that he's going to continue able to just bang
away. I really want him to be able to try to pick up his
assist game here just a little bit more as he gets a little more comfortable
here in the NHL. But I think you're going to be able to see
Jake Nabors continubal to stay twenty plus goal score fifty to sixty points here moving
forward, as long as he continues to get the opportunity in the top six
and on the power play. That's good to hear. He was one of
my favorites this past season. He really helped me a lot, especially moving
him up and down from the miners. But that's not going to be the
case for him moving forward. He's going to be definitely a full timer.
Let's move on to another young player, Zach bul Duke and bull Duke So
he only played twenty five games this season. He was a former first round
pick, the seventeenth d We're All twenty twenty one. He led the que
in goals. He had fifty goals twice in that season, fifty games in
the AHL, twenty five in the A scored at a half point per pay
point pace game in the AHL. So, I guess the question is what
is the Blues Brass seeing in his development? Where do they want to give
do they want to give him NHL minutes? And is this something that we'll
be seeing next year? Will he play more than twenty five games? What
do you think we can see for bull Duke next season? There might bull
Duke, and I think any of these young guys who that you started to
see make their way up to the NHL near the I guess, in like
the fourth quarter here or so of the season, I think you're going to
see these guys earn every single opportunity and be able to get every single opportunity
here rather available to them here in training campfield to earn that rossterspot. I'll
be honest. I had him pegged midway through the season of saying, yeah,
he's going to start twenty four to twenty five in the AHL. Again,
just continues growth in development, playing the top six role, top power
play unit for Springfield Thunderbirds, and I had zero issue, and I would
have said that until it blew in the face. He came up. He
made a lot of really good strides offensively, and while they didn't necessarily show
up on the score sheet, he really showed like that he belonged and that
he is going to get every single opportunity able to earn that role. Whether
or not that's going to be on the second line like he was playing here
for a little while throughout the season, that's to be determined. I would
think that he's going to play in a middle six role, that second third
line, and especially because he finished the season his final five games he had
four goals, five points. He was huge for me in fantasy. I
love that I was in the in the finals here for my league and he
was a great roster addition here for me, and I came this close with
the winning my championship, but he made it really close here for me,
and so with his five points in five games. Again, obviously he's not
gonna be an eighty point player. He's just not like he's not going to
have that kind of a pace here. But again, as long as as
long as he continues to put the work in here throughout the offseason, the
Blues are going to give him every single opportunity to be able to earn that
role here within probably the middle six. I don't think he's obviously ready able
to play that pop line here just as of yet, but he's definitely one
that I would certainly be able to keep an eye on here in any sort
of a streaming capacity over to the blue line. Tory Krug season a little
bit of a mixed bag in some ways. There was some discussion that he
battled injuries. He played the most games of a Saint Louis tenure at seventy
seven, had hies in his shots, blocks and hits for his four year
span in the Gateway City, but points this year. Only four goals thirty
five assists for forty one points in those seventy seven games, And if you
look at his with or without you numbers, he was not driving grade five
on five defense. Maybe that's not necessarily his role. There's other defensemen we're
going to get to. But what do you make overall of Tory Krug's year
and what are you expecting from him as he rolls into his thirty four year
old year. He remains steady, like you said, like this last year,
half point per game again, seventy seven of eighty two games. It's
definitely the most he's played here in the Blues, and the most since the
twenty seventeen eighteen season, like with the Bruins. The problem though, is
that you saw him produce. It was fifty nine sixty points here I believe
in about seventy six games at that point, and so when you're not seeing
that type of a production, I don't think that you're gonna be able to
see that moving forward here from him. He's regressed her quite a bit,
really in areas all across the board, but for some reason, like not
necessarily in block shots. He put up career year in block shots. So
that's always great with one hundred and eleven year of them, but I think
that we're far removed from the days where we're gonna see him cross fifty points
and perhaps even forty points if I'm being honest, depending on if he remains
in Saint Louis or if he continues to move on, It's a very crowded
blue line. It's a lot of ice time to be given out and a
lot of ice time demanded. And unfortunately, if you're not producing, you're
it's gonna be the up and who can produce for me? Because there's a
lot of guys who can be able to do it, and I just don't
see Tory Kruge really getting that opportunity on a consistent basis. All right,
let's talk about Justin Falk. I feel every year I talk about Justin Fulk
I'm wrong about him. I don't really know what to think about him.
I'm either too low and then he surprises me or I get excited about him
and he disappoints. That was the case this season. I was a little
bit more excited about him and he kind of disappointed. Forty one point pace
after a back to back fifty plus point pace seasons, and some of that
you could look at time on ice. This time on ice did go down
a little bit as powerplay share went down a little bit, but it was
actually more than two seasons ago. When he had a fifty one point pace.
His bash is still consistently pretty decent, so that always keeps him relevant
and leagues that count that kind of stuff. As far as the team retooling,
he obviously fell off quite a bit. And as they continue to retool
rebuild around, is he someone who is going to be continue to be given
this role or is he gonna are there is a team to try to look
for maybe bring in someone else that can offer a little bit more in that
realm. What do you think, Mike about Falk next season? He along
with Tory Krug, are the two veteran defensemen. I firmly believe that one
of them is going to be gone. The Blues cannot be able to continue
to move forward here with having both of them here on their roster. And
so that's one of the biggest questions that you need be able to ask yourself
here when analyzing and projecting out what Fulk is going to end up doing here
for this coming season. I think that there's again a lot of quality ice
time that's going to be given out, but Falk was starting to lose that
ice time here to young players like Matthew Kessel and Kessel may not be as
strong of a point producer, but Falk certainly losing ice time as he is
not seeming to be as strong here on the backcheck. He's not looking here
as so good in his own zone. And so Kessel here is filling that
role here for him, at least defensively. And so again that's losing some
ice time and some powerplay opportunity here for him. So I don't think that
you being down on him is necessarily a bad thing. And I if you've
got shares here of him and you need able to trade him, I would
try able to trade him now, absolutely now, and be able to get
what you can here based here, like off of namesake again, point six
here at point six to two point that's what it was here. Point per
game pace here in twenty one, twenty two, half a point per game
pace last season. WI could drop off, like you said, two goals.
He's just he's not really fantasy relevant here too terribly much outside of like
blocks hits that's not even that many, that's underneath of that's what was he
at. He had one point seven blocks per game last year and one point
three one point three one point four year hits per game, you know,
even in the areas if he's not point producing, you know, can you
be able to get me something else? No, I can able to find
other guys who can able to get me more So, Falk is not really
a guy that I would be pitting my hat to and it will say,
hey, go out there and Bill, get me fifty points here. Again.
So as high as I was here on some of the forwards, I'm
that low sometimes on some of these defensemen, especially the aging ones. Unfortunately,
it hasn't been pretty on the back end. It is not that's certainly
true. We're not really going to talk about Pranco because he isn't so fantasy
relevant, but he is at least has been more consistent, at least in
that realm. So let's talk about another guy that you said maybe they look
at some other options. Scott Prunovich is someone we've been excited about for a
long time. The issue with Scott is staying healthy. That has continued to
be an issue, and this season he's currently an RFA. I think it'll
be interesting to see what happens with him. He did play fifty four games,
the most he's ever played in the NHL. He had a twenty six
point pace, which is the same he had last season twenty six point pace,
but he only played nineteen games after a shoulder injury Believer's shoulder last year.
So despite putting up such great numbers in the NCAA and in the AHL,
he's still I would say, has not really fully proved it at the
NHL level, and can he really be a full time NHL er. A
lot of people look at him as he could be the next Tory Krue.
Okay, but Tory Krue didn't really miss this much time and he continued to
play and continues to play consistently. So I think that's the biggest question with
Prunovich. Is he gonna Do you think he'll be able to stay healthy?
And can he take this role, especially if they move on from Kruge?
Is that something do you think is feasible here? Should we be excited about
Prunovic season? I am still excited about Prunovich here at this point in time.
Expectations here has been tampered here down just a little bit. He is
probably one of the biggest X factors here on this Blues blue line. It's
truly hard to believe that this guy is twenty five. He's going to be
twenty six very shortly into the season. But he's only played seventy three regular
season games and as a second round pick here in twenty eighteen. Like you
said, he's proven he can be to play and produce here in the AHL,
but he really hasn't been able to fully ra just as of yet.
He has really good, strong stints for just a couple of games, and
then he disappears, and then he shows another couple and so you're riding that
wave here a little bit with Scott Pronovitch here right now. So he's a
great streaming option when you start to see that he's getting hot, but sometimes
those bursts are very few and far between. They're quick there. You have
to just grab him really quick, like when you see him start to put
one to two points here up here right now. So I'm still a firm
believer that he holds on and we're gonna be able to see a good uptick
in production, especially if Armstrong can able to move on from Valkerkrut before next
season. He's going to firmly cement himself. I believe he's going to get
a really good shot here at the power play one. He did that last
year near the end of the season, but again that's because there was some
injuries here to a couple of the veteran Blue Liners, and he field it
and he looked great. I really had no issues here with him. But
age is not on his side here already, and with a couple of defensemens
starting to peck their way up up there, Prunovich has abilt to earn the
eistime. He just has to. But they also need point producing defenceman and
right now, outside of Krug and Falk, there's not very many point producing
defenseman here available. So Prunovic maybe that guy if they don't look externally at
least. Yeah, I heard you counch that excitement several different ways, which
I think is appropriate. Yeah, So let's move on to the goalies and
hope the best first got Prunovich. The Blues were ranked twenty eighth in terms
of expected goals against for sixty, but they conceded this eighteenth ranked actual goal
So the goalies, both of them, I would say, performed above expected.
I think the protection that hope for God was a little bit better and
so he didn't have to perform his say percentage and his expected goals quite as
much. I think Bennington had a little less to work with. He also
played more games, but he did quite well. And Bennington played fifty seven
games. Hope had the one and or Sorry had the thirty games, and
yeah, so both of them overall looked pretty good. Bennington had a bit
of a bounce back season. We'd been tracking this over time, and ever
since he went on that run and won the Cup, he'd been trending down
and looking worse and worse every single season. He stopped that this year and
he finally had a really good season. It wasn't quite as good as the
thirty two game sample where he was on an absolute tear, but it ended
up being his second best statistical season, which is pretty great and hopefully had
a bit of a coming out party. Solid numbers in thirty games, goalsave
above expected was good, Delta Fenwick was good, and goaltending really wasn't the
issue. I think scoring the twenty seventh number of actual goals it was really
more of the problem. Bennington has three more years left on his six million
dollar cap hit deal. Can't really see him getting moved. Maybe with his
bounce back season, I don't know if that's something that the Brass would explore.
So, Mike, what do you think about the goaltending situation moving forward
between these two? So I have to take away my homer my home goggles
here he will to look at this one. Here. I'm going to make
a controversial statement. People may or may not like this here, but Bennington
probably was one of the most underrated goaltenders in the NHL this year, and
to be honest, robbed of a Vesna finalists not nomination when you look here
at it. A twenty eight twenty one to five record doesn't ultimately scream Vesna
finalist, but he was third in the NHL here and goals saved above expected,
right behind Hellibuck and Demco six and save percentage versus expected second and save
percentage on scoring chances. I think the Blues have their goaltender here right now.
I think that they have their goaltender here through the end of their contract,
because if you're looking at potentially moving on from Bennington, you're only looking
to be able to do it simply just because of his contract. That's the
only reason. And last year they gave he gave the Blues front office and
the fans a great reason to stay. Hey, I'm still here, this
is my net. Hover came in. He looked great, but Bennington looked
that much better. So I think that if you're going to be able to
look here at a fantasy goaltender, he's still going to end up being a
goaltender here, able to add one of your solid starting netminders. I don't
know if he's going to be like your complete number one goaltender, because personally
I don't trust here just yet. Give me another season able to show me
that last year was not a fluke. But they seem like they have tightened
things up here defensively and that he has reaped the benefits here of it.
Joel Hofer here on the other end, like you said, huge coming out
party. He looked great at that point in time, but he's only twenty
three and he I don't think it's completely readible to take over the helm here
just as of yet. I love to hear that because in the league that
Jesse and I are against each other, he traded me Bennington on my way
to the championship, and I'm pleased to hear that. I have a few
more good seasons to enjoy him before I have to figure out what else I'm
doing after. I should say, Mike, I couldn't give away Jordan Bennington
a year ago. He definitely his reputation has turned around one hundred eighty degrees.
I've loved the attitude the whole time, but Victor finally acknowledged it.
That's really what happened here. Yeah, I could not say that I blame
you one bit. I had several different offers here in a couple of my
Dynasty leagues here for Jordan Bennington, people knowing that I was a Blues fan,
and I had to turn out every single one of them, just because
I did not trust having him here on my team. I didn't want him
ruining my stat lines. And that was just a guy I just could not
justified able to bring in. But again, if you're looking at potentially getting
in on a goaltender of the future here in Saint Louis, grab stock and
shares here of Joelhofer is he is looking very good. And even if you're
looking at a guy here who's coming up the pipeline, Colt Nels is making
his way up. He was in the ECCHL here to go to start the
season, and then he worked his way up to the AHL, and he
maybe taking some spots away from Zarenko, the other goaltender here in the AHL.
Small little tidbit here of some future watch and I have a feeling we're
going to be hearing a little bit about them later in this episode, So
everybody tune in. But for now, Mike, you've done a great job
and it's caught up on this Saint Louis Blues team. I know right now
you're a little bit between things, but I know people should be watching this
space because you might have some things coming up in the future. How can
people follow your takes on the Blues right now? The best place to be
able to follow me here is just simply on Twitter at m underscore Meyer three.
I've tried a couple of the other socials, and Twitter is just the
one I just keep coming back to. You know, it's that huge love
hate relationship. But if some time before it's here to me later on here
throughout the off season and towards next season, I'll be looking to start up
a couple of other ventures. So just gol to stay tuned, Just stick
with that X follow because Mike has great takes on the Saint Louis Blues.
Thank you so much for coming on our show today, Mike, Yeah,
again, truly appreciate it. Guys, love the work and just able to
keep it up. Wilson, that's good fed my goodness. Long Yeah.
Now it's your wingley goalie talk. But Kat Silverman, Kat's instincts back again
to get Kat's instincts from NGL mag on the Saint Louis Blues goalies, and
we're going to start with Vadim Jerenko six foot four, one hundred and ninety
six pounds, twenty nineteen seventh round pick, really late, and he has
been really good in the HL the last two seasons. His equivalency has been
in the high twenties to mid thirties throughout his five seasons of development here.
And he's got some decent comps, some that didn't work out. He's got
a Camp Talbot camp comp here that looks pretty decent and as I mentioned,
springfield of the HL the last two seasons, and pretty decent numbers overall in
terms of his his say percentage. What do your instincts tell us about Jerenko?
Cut I think for starters, the the Blues really did a great thing
with him when they essentially used the like the flight connection through Finland where they
moved him from playing MHL and VHL, which is those minor league levels and
the U twenty level over in the Russia system. They moved him over to
play for Illness during the twenty twenty one twenty twenty two season, which gave
him a chance to play in a slightly more North American friendly league, because
I do think that the Finnish Pro league has the goaltenders who were playing the
closest comparable style to North America, and that's something that I am always very
happy to point out there. And it seems like it paid off for them
because they did that. They then brought him over to North America, dumped
him in the AHL, and he had a seamless transition. We played twenty
five games, is for twenty five his second and has had pretty decent numbers
throughout both. He is, like you said, he has a former seventh
round pick, so worst case he doesn't pan out, and oh no,
they wasted the fourth to last pick in the NHL draft that year on a
guy who was a really serviceable AHL goaltender for them, But based on the
numbers and based on how quickly he was able to pick up playing at the
North American level, I think that looks really good for them, especially because
he is only I think he's twenty three and didn't take any backsteps when he
came over in North America. He didn't need that adjustment season. Obviously,
they have Joelhofer in their system as essentially their NHLer right now, so he's
not necessary at the moment at the NHL level, but I think it's worth
keeping an eye on him because he did play so well for them in their
first two AHL seasons that they had their on him there. Yeah, it's
nice to have the option to bring someone up but may not need him right
away. Nice. So the next guy, that's the second guy and only
other guy we're going to talk about, is Colton ellis six foot, one
hundred and eighty seven pound twenty nineteen third round pick, and he's been in
the ECCHL for the greater part of three seasons. This season, he was
much better both in the ECHL and his little AHL time. His equivalency has
really been trending down. He started at twenty five percent after coming out of
the queue, and then it's been trending down, down, down, until
just eight percent, So it seems like a long shot right now. What
do your instincts tell us about Colton Ellis? He did a really good job
in the AHL this year. That is a really low overall prospect for him
there. I don't know. I thought he looked fine. I think we've
talked about him in the past and I said he's there. I'm happy for
him that he's there, but he's never really stood out in any way.
I would say he was their best option this year at the AHL level,
but he also did end up spending a chunk of time in the ECHL,
which is something that you never want to see for a goaltender who ideally you
would like to be moving up. I don't know if they did that to
give him the games, though, which because he did really well in the
ECHL and really well in the AHL this past year, so I think it's
worth giving him maybe a look at more extended playing time in the AHL this
upcoming year, just to see if Saint Louis has this really gnarly habit of
almost overcooking their goaltenders at the AHL level, waiting until we think that goaltender
isn't necessarily going to be anything because they're just fine. I believe I've said
that about two or three of their guys who made it to the NHL or
they just looked They looked solid, They didn't look like anything super flashy,
weren't doing any super exciting saves, and they made it up to the NHL
and they were just cool as a cucumber and ready to go. I think
that happened with Jordan Binnington, that happened with the VILLI who so, and
it could happen with It could happen with Colton Ellis too. I just think
it's wild that they split him with the ECHL this last year because I don't
think it looked like he needed it. We'll see that was a really strange
move for them, But I would say they're the team that makes the strangest
moves with their goaltenders and have a lot of guys who look almost a little
forgettable there and then end up wowing us at the NHL levels. So I'm
not ready to write him off yet. All right, thanks for your insights
on the Blues goalies that it will be fun to watch going forward. We'll
be back right after this big, good dynasty. He did talkin Saint Louis
Blues. The Blues are going to pick sixteenth in this year's entry draft.
They've got an extra second, third, and seventh round pick. They're down
a sixth. Thank you for your service. Flag Tarasenko and Ryland O'Ryan O'Reilly
and Victor here ranks the team's prospect system fourteenth overall in the NHL. Let's
start Victor with your patented no brainer. Who is it? Jimmy Snugaroo getting
snuggy with it is who we're going to start with twenty twenty two to twenty
third overall, pick six, two hundred and eighty seven pounds right wing.
He regress slightly this season at the University of Minnesota. That was with less
talent around him. He had no Logan Cooley, he had no Matthew Knys
because they were killing it in the NHL. He did gain some Oliver More
who had a really nice season, but it's not terribly out of the ordinary
that he would go from fifty points in forty games to just thirty four and
thirty nine, still a solid season. I don't think there's any panic button
needing to be pushed or anything like that. He actually did not. The
team in scoring that was Rhet Piblick and Bryce Bradzinski, who were juniors and
super seniors respectively, so a bit older, and again the team not quite
as good. They also lost a bunch of defensemen that I didn't mention.
But we don't have his tracking data from the NC double A season, but
we do have from his World Junior time, which he had eight points in
six games as part of the USA team and route to a gold medal.
I believe he went first in one of our World Championship pools. I don't
think that worked out as well as that person thought, because eight points and
six games is good, but it's not. It wasn't the most so.
Anyways, Snuggarud looked really good offensively and defensively. In the tracking data for
Mitch Brown, shots are really high. Game score is really high. Some
of the transition numbers a little bit lower though interestingly enough, but overall a
stout two way flow forward. Looking at his FHL player card, you can
see how amazing his shots are. In the NCUBLEA that continues to be good.
His hits and blocks are average as slightly above average, so that gives
him a really good bash, but mostly that's driven by his shots, and
his goals are much higher than his assists, so overall looking really solid.
I haven't raded it as an eight out of ten ten being Conor McDavid level,
so that's pretty good, Jesse. We need to learn more about our
player here, Jimmy Snugrews. So we need to hear from our FHL scout.
Yes we do, and today's NHL or FHL featured scout is Patrick.
All three of the prospect scouting reports you're going to hear about today are from
him. So as to the skating, Jimmy snugger Rud is a good skater,
per Patrick. He's not going to fly by defenders, but he can
put on some speed when needed. Passing and handling, it's a somewhat underutilized,
an underdeveloped part of snug Root's game. He's good at handling the puck
and passing, but is rarely driving play. Snuggerroot is a volume shooter with
an excellent shot excels getting in a good position to get quick and accurate shots
for the IQ. That's vision, innticipation, panic, poise, He's good
at getting in position for a breakout pass or a scoring chance in the offensive
zone, often finds his way to a space by a faceoff dot for a
prime shot for checking. Snugger Reed is not often the first forward in the
zone or down low defense, not the first forward back or great at breaking
of breakouts, but he sees. Patrick sees some signs of defensive engagement at
least from Snuggaroo that has promised for the future. So overall, the best
stasset Patrick sees is that shot. The biggest concern lack of playmaking. However,
Patrick thinks there's evidence he can pass well and develop into this ability.
So what is the top outcome for him? First line power play one would
be a top outcome for Snuggaroo, possibly a forty goal scorer with twenty to
thirty assists, that type of a breakdown. The justification if that happened,
it would be because of the shot and the potential to improve his playmaking and
defense. The ability may be there, it just hasn't been tapped into yet.
His median outcome fiftieth percentile. Maybe he's a thirty goal thirty assist type
guy, and the justification there would be if he was limited to a second
line, second power play role. Can't prove the playmaking and his defense.
That's just going to limit his ability to make that NHL impact stylistic comparable with
his goal scoring ability. He could be a Tarasenko like impact that type of
a profile. Anyway, who shoots a lot scores a lot light on peripherals.
So the overall thoughts in the first two games that Patrick watched, the
overall game didn't look that great and he had a great shot, good at
getting a position for good shots. In the third game, Patrick saw more
stick handling than such he recently, Snugger had said he's going back. The
reason he's going back for his junior year is that he recognized he's not ready,
he's not good enough yet, and that kind of self reflection Patrick believes
bodes well for his future development. Our friend Mason Black, the NHL Rank
King, gave us his patented pole Jimmy Snugger RUD up against Quinton Musty,
and the outcome of that poll, Quentin Musty of the San Jose Sharks wins
in a nose over Jimmy snuggerrud fifty three to forty seven boy, Victor,
I'd see that as an upset. Is that how you see it? First
of all, Mason just mean for putting two great players like this together that
I like. But I do think it's close. Yeah, I do think
it's close, actually, and I actually do think that I would lean Musty,
even though that may surprised some people, but Snugger Ruod, I think
we all got a little bit ahead of ourselves with that amazing freshman season.
It was fantastic, and I think he raised his profile. He was an
afterthought in his draft season. He did okay at the us n TDP,
but he wasn't really that exciting, and then he had this crazy season at
Minnesota. But I think you can clearly tell that he was booed a little
bit by Cooley and Knyes and that great Minnesota team. Not that he isn't
a great player, but I think that maybe that increased his stock just a
little bit too much, And maybe what we saw this season is a little
bit more realistic, as Patrick said, maybe more of a thirty thirty kind
of guy, maybe someone who's like a fifty to sixty point player. I
think that's reasonable. He's he could be a top line payer player, he
also could just as easily be a second liner. I think the same with
Musty. He's had a pretty incredible season. When we talked to Lauren Kelly,
we talked about how the sky's a limit. She sees him like he
has all the potential in the world to be a top line winger. And
of course the Shark's getting Celebrini and having Will Smith, and they have some
really good prospects, some really good young players now at Bordelo Eckln's it's filling
out nicely. I think he Musty is the top left winger, unless Will
Smith is a winger, then maybe he gets bumped down a little bit.
But I think both of these guys are great. If I had to pick,
though, I would lean slightly towards Musty. In the hockey prospecting model,
he Musty looks quite a bit better double the equivalency of a star potential
as snuggrud right now forty six percent to twenty one percent, Snugaru looking a
little bit more average. One of his better comps in this model is a
guy like Marco Sturm actually, who was a Shark, and he was much
more of an average producer so a boring fantasy asset, but a really good
real life player, and that couldn't up be what Snuggroot is. And the
j Fresh card is pretty pessimistic, I should say about snugreoed it's only four
percent chance of being a star and thirty one percent chance of being an NHLer.
These are always tough questions picking between these two, but I think that
I would like to have either one of them on my team. But if
I had to really choose, I would go Musty Jesse. Boy, Yeah,
that's boy. These people are down on Snugs. I don't love it.
Next up, Victor, the need to know prospect is who? The
need to know prospect is Dalabor Divorce Ki. What happens when your marriage comes
to an end, You get divorce skied. These nicknames are getting dark.
I liked to when it was getting stanky in here, Victor, I just
work with what comes to me. Divorce Ki twenty twenty three, tenth overall
pick six one two and three pounds center right wing. Really late birthday June
fifteenth, so he's still only eighteen and will be for another month or so.
As we're recording this. He was in the hockey Esvenskin last season,
which was that's where he was mostly. He was at the Jay twenty in
the Svenskin last season, or sorry, that's where he was last season.
This season he started in the shl on loan, but that didn't really last
and he wasn't really getting a whole lot of ice time, so he came
over to North America and joined the Sudbury Wolves who had his OHL rights eighty
eight points in fifty two games. Ended up having a fantastic season there with
Quentin Lusty as we were just talking about, and he was great. You
would expect him to dominate in the OHL after coming over from Europe. Ten
points in nine playoff games as well. He also was at the World Junior
CHAMPIONSI for Slovakia and he was really great in that tournament as well, really
a driving force for them six points in five games. Looking at his tracking
data from the World Juniors, his transition and offense game, we're outstanding.
His defensive game was really not good, and that was really true in his
OHL tracking data as well. In my mind that Divorski was a little bit
better of a two way player, but this tracking data for Mitch does not
support that. Assertion at all, it's actually quite poor. In the OHL
tracking data, his expected goals per sixty were outstanding for Divorceki, much better
than his expected assists, and his transition game was elite one hundred percentile for
his transition game fantastic, and a lot of his other games like Boards played
in the middle, off puck assists, primary port involvement, game score all
that was phenomenal for Divorski. Looking at his FHL player card, you can
see that his bash is entirely driven by his shots. He doesn't really hit
or block very much. He does take faceoffs though, if you're interested in
faceoff players. He was taking eighteen face offs per game for Sudbury and winning
ten to eleven of them. So that gives you a little bit more context
about Divorski. But Jesse to hear a little bit more. We're going to
hear from Patrick ur a Fatel scout. What did Patrick say this? As
far as skating, Divorski excellent. Smooth stride looks effortless. He goes north,
south and east west, skillfully uses his skating to continuously get in position
for passenger and handling. Also a positive displays puck handling skills, makes the
right passes at the right times for shooting. Not only does Patrick like the
shot, but says Divorski gets in position to get great shots. Scores from
multiple positions. Sometimes he shoots from the face off dots, other times crashes
the net or the goal line. For the IQ. Divorski has it the
hockey IQ he needs. He has patience, He's aware of where his teammates
are and are going. He doesn't have the puck, he won't move to
the correct area for a pass or where the puck is likely to come.
For checking dalibor positive check again on that one can separate the puck from the
defenseman, support his teammates, or be in position on the boards to receive
a puck that comes loose. Divorski is positive getting back on defense to take
the puck away, or to support his defenseman when they win a puck,
or making a breakout. The best asset for Devorski. Probably a shot can
score for multiple places on the ice, and the concern is possibly the skating,
possibly the defense is possible one or the other won't be good enough to
elevate him to the NHL. So the top tier outcome Hey Tier one once
again one seed point per game type score. That would be maybe not the
most elite player of all time, but every aspect of the game is very
good. Maybe it comes together for a greater than the sum of its parts
package fiftieth percentile Tier two Center two tops out at sixty to six seventy points.
That would be if the total sales cut skill set makes it hard to
believe he'll be anything lower than that, which would limit that scoring ceiling.
It's possible he'll be more of a high end to see that gets a scoring
boost from being on power play one. So the stylistic comparable bohorbat. Maybe
Patrick says he's fooling himself in Divorski won't be as good as he thinks,
but he's fun to watch. Has a well rounded game, might not be
the fastest skater, but he does a pretty good job getting around the ice,
has a very positive work ethic, committed to improving all the parts of
his game. Mason Black puts out the poll Dallaboard of Orski versus Braydon Yaeger
of the Pittsburgh Penguins, and the result of that Dallaboard of Orski in a
ROMP seventy one to twenty nine over Yaeger. Of course, Pittsburgh Penguins prospect.
We know none of them are any good right now, Victor, is
this how you see it Divorski in a romp? No, actually I don't
see it that way, but I could see why people are excited about divorce.
He certainly improved his stock quite a bit this season, and he looked
great in the OHL. It's hard to know if that's just a Rye product
of him already playing some professional games in the level of competition, being a
little bit lower, and having frankly, some really great linemates to work with,
so all of that seems hard to know. Jaeger, on the other
hand, he is I guess you could say some similar things about him.
He plays for moose Jaw and moosjar Is in the WHL final. They might
win the WHL go to the Mornal Cup. He's got some really great teammates.
He's only third on the team in scoring behind Furkus and an overager,
but he's looking really great. And he's a winger, which is a little
bit easier sometimes for I guess he's listed as a center, but I think
he might end up being more of a winger. Where's divorce Ge I think
is pretty clearly going to be a center, or certainly seems that way to
me. Both of these guys. The NHL ranking app looks similar, close
to point per game, but personally I Jeger a little bit better. I
think he's got that better shot. I think he's got that shoot first mentality
as a goal scoring winger forward. I like him a little bit more.
If you look at the Hockey prospecting, it has divorce scheme much higher,
especially based on this high Ohl equivalency, whereas Jaeger's. It's interesting because their
equivalencies look similar, but the percentages are much lower for Yeager, so that's
interesting. And the comps for Divorski are all pretty pretty solid. Guys like
Braidon Shen, Jayden Schwartz, those are all guys that he looks quite a
bit like in the model. I think Braidon Shen he mentioned Horvat, I
think that's reasonable, so's Braiden Shen. I don't think he doesn't hit as
much, hit or block as much as Shen did, but getting that getting
being a good faced off guy, being a center and similar point production I
think is reasonable for Devorski. Looking at the j Fresh card, there's a
thirty five percent chance of being a star in that model, So it really
likes what Divorski did this year and is pretty high on him. I think
either of these guys would be pretty exciting. I just personally like Yegor a
little bit better, and I doesn't hurt that he's in a system that has
literally no one else. So either Pittsburgh's gonna trade him, or they're gonna
let him play in the NHL and give him. He's gonna have all the
opportunity to play as much as you want. Now they might have anyone to
play with once he gets there, Jesse, that could be a problem for
sure. That would not be That would not be the greatest thing. Who
Victor is to keep your eye on prospect, keep your eye on his Auto
Stenberg twenty twenty three, twenty fifth overall pick, five, eleven hundred and
seventy two pounds six center, left wing. He was young for his draft
year. It's good to remember May twenty nine, so as recording this,
he's still eighteen, and he was eighteen all year. Twenty three games played
in the SHL last season, seven to forty one average time on ice and
just three points. This season thirty one SHL games played, eleven thirty six
average time on ice and six points. He also went to the World Junior
Championships for Sweden nine points and seven games. Looking at his SHL player card
from Fantasy Hockey Life, it doesn't really look very good. It doesn't really
score a lot. His hits are pretty decent. He's got some physicality there,
but there isn't a whole lot else. He doesn't shoot a ton,
doesn't block a bunch, and the bash is a little bit low. His
projection is more like a five out of ten that I have him at.
And looking at his player card from Mitch Brown's tracking data from the World Juniors,
it looks okay. His overall is a sixty eight. You'd want it
to be a little bit better for high end prospect offenses seventy transitions sixty four,
defense seventy three. There's a decent amount of blue here though, especially
in the expected goals and shots that's really nice, And some of the transition
game is good, although some of it is really not good. And overall
the assists and playmaking doesn't look very good. Toronto Stenberg. But Jesse tell
us a little bit more about what Patrick had to say about Oh yeah,
what did Patrick? What did Patrick have to say? He says this for
skating, Stenberg smooth stride skating not a concern in that area. Passing and
handling puck handling skills are a positive. Good touch, passes well and facilitates
the breakout by passing it to one of the other forwards. Skating up the
ice with speed on the power play, sometimes mans the point and distributes the
puck effectively. The shot is a positive, and Stenberg can score via slap
shots from the left faceof dot or by going to the net for the tip
or shots inclose. The hockey IQ positive. Also, the hockey sense is
there, Stenberg says calm. Sometimes he holds onto the puck too often,
but usually anticipates well and passes at the right time. For checking, often
the third forward into the zone will try to get in position for a shot,
but he will also support the fore check and can be effective on board
battles defense. That's a plus for Stenberg. Often the first forward back on
defense gets deep into the defensive zone, so the best asset was either the
shot or the compete. Patrick is up in the air on that shots.
Not at the same level as some other Blues prospects, but this still likes
it pretty good because concern is the overall game enough to get him to the
NHL and to be successful. Possibly he's more of a tweener, or that
scoring doesn't translate the absolute top outcome that Patrick foresees. Second line, that's
if the skill set comes together well enough, he can be a depth score.
Maybe on the second power play the fiftieth percentile tier. Maybe it's a
third liner. Stenberg's overall skill set solid, but in the end the offense
may be lacking, he says. Maybe Michale Backland. Michael Backland, they
say, is a good comparable. Stenberg was drafted as a center but played
this season on the wing. Future in the NHL may be a wing.
According to Patrick, played some in the SHL, didn't get a lot of
ice time in some games, did well with the World Juniors, didn't look
out of place in Alspensken seems likely to get another year of seasoning in swim.
He played the sole season is eighteen, which perhaps means he has still
more runway ahead. So Mason Black puts Otto Stenberg versus Yegor Sidorov of the
Anaheim Ducks, and who would you rather have on your team? That was
a sixty five to thirty five victory for Stenberg over Sidorov. Is that your
pick? Victor? Well, I feel like I'm disagreeing with their listeners all
all day today. No, I don't think I would pick Stenberg's. I
think Stenberg is one of these guys who's clearly, as Patrick said, good,
defensively, always on the right side of the puck. He's someone who
I think is more likely to be in NHL or and someone you can plug
in your bottom six. But Sitarov is certainly much more exciting, so for
those of you that aren't familiar with him. Twenty twenty three to third round
pick by Anaheim just this past season. He's Belarussian playing in the WHL.
Last season he had a pretty decent he's actually played there a couple of years
now, really good season last year, seventy six points, fifty three games,
eighty eight and sixty six this year, and they had a really good
and close series with Moose Jaw, who was just rolling over people and saks
Don gave him all they could handle, and sitter Off was part of that.
He's a really good, strong potential and I think that Anaheim did it
again with another really good pick, late mid round pick that looks really solid.
So his panchily, Yeah, it's looking pretty good so far. I
think a little bit better than Stenberg's and I think he's more of a scorer.
So if you look at the hockey prospecting, both these guys are low,
but citter Off's a little bit higher, so I would be more interested
in him, even though he was drafted as a as an overrager. He's
really young. Citter Off June eighteenth birthdate. I like him. I would
bet more on him in terms of a score. Looking at Stenberg, his
equivalent seats are really low, and most of the pretty much anyone you pull
up on hockey prospecting, they're all like busts or replacement level. This guy,
like Chris Verstig, is maybe the most you could hope for. That's
not very exciting. And the j freshcard two percent chance of being a star,
seven percent chance of being an NHLer, again not very exciting for Stenburg.
I would go sitter Off, and that's all we have for our Saint
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crew is legion. We've got Kevin Adams, the content curator who's been helping
out with show prep, really coming up with some really neat graphics that you
will see if you're on our show sheets. But they're also helping us a
little bit. Victor and myself with the interviews. Ryan Downey helps commission the
Tidy Leagues. He is the Tidy Admiral. Jeremy Visa lead scout. Jason
is helping with our prospect ranks Brandon website guru. He is a scout.
He is FHL player card Maestro prospect ranks and visualizations. If you would like
to help the show, just hit Victor up in the discord, email or
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his podcast with Peter Harling. They are going to be crashing hard on the
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with that. Concurrent to these team previews, check out Victor's articles at EP
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