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Amanda and I were watching a show
together and then I had to pause it

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for tomorrow, and then I came
in here and now I can hear Whose

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Line Is It? Anyway? Which
they added all of the show to Netflix

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recently. I don't know if you
guys were aware. So we've been rewatching

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whose Line? And I'm convinced Ryan's
styles. I think his name is is

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the funniest person who's ever walked the
earth? Okay? Is it? Is

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this a cold open? Is that
what you're doing here? Or oh?

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Yeah, we can we can build
off this if you want. I was

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just have you when's the last time
you watch Whose Line? Is It?

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Anyway? Like? Really? Get
that young ago? Yeah? Same here?

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So it's on Netflix now and you
can watch it. Go have fun

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with it? All right? I
was like fun with myself while having fun

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with the show. I don't know
what that means. It's episode fifty nine.

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We're back with a firescate cast.
Mom and Dad are away, so

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Jake and Mike invited Uncle Vinny to
hang out. Kids. You like Whose

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Line is It? Anyway? Oh? I got some other shows you're gonna

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love. Colin's my favorite one.
The shows are like Colin shows are like

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Colin tho's the Elevator, pitch to
CBS, Vinny, how's it going,

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Vidy Caravella from next Lander. For
most of you probably know, but for

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those of you don't, um,
you're second time on fire Escape, I

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believe, so I was, Oh, first time on the show together.

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Oh that's fantastic, that's okay.
Yeah, so so far, it's it's

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great. I didn't even know we
started until about like ten seconds ago.

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So this is I'm I'm glad to
talk about Whose line is it? Anyway?

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That's why I'm here. They added
I think it's Netflix. They added

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the entire show to Netflix. I
will tell you much of it is not

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aged well, but if you can
get past that, those guys are geniuses,

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funny stuff. Yeah, it's really
good that there are certain episodes where

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you could tell that they were not
in a great mood and just didn't want

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to be on the show. But
then like you get farther into it,

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like season four or five, and
you're like, oh, now it has

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blown up in whatever year that would
have been ninety seven, I don't remember,

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really, but the show has blown
up their big deals. They realize

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how many people are watching and they're
like, we gotta bring our a game,

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and it gets really good. It's
goin to think. The last time

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I saw it was probably decades ago. Yeah, a long time ago.

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I don't remember really. I remember
at the time thinking this is a really

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amateur production, and I was probably
twelve next Slanders are response to whose line

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is it anyway? That's what I've
been saying, Yeah, that's right.

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Hyeah No. But like I think
now looking back on it, it's like,

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no, that's not amateur. That's
just like loose, you know.

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It's just like they were ahead of
their time. They were just like fucking

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we were just gonna go We're gonna
go silly here? Uh and and loose.

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Have either of you been to a
genuinely good improv show? No?

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Yeah, you have? Was it
here? Was it? I just I

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don't know, Like I guess what's
genuinely good? Barfing? Um. I

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think at its worst, improv,
the entire crowd is uncomfortable experiencing second hand

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embarrassment. At its best, you're
like, oh cool, they got like

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four solid laughs out of me.
And I joke like, improv is hard

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as shit. I'm sure I would
bomb if I tried it in a second.

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No, you don't know. That's
not what you think. You're thinking.

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You could get up there and kill
Okay, let me clarify. I

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think I would be the funniest improv
actor. But I would get up there

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and I would absolutely bomb and vomit
and then not even be good enough to

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turn the vomiting into a joke.
What was was your was the good show

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in New York? Or where was
I? So? I recently saw a

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pretty good show here in Jersey?
Uh? And it was? It was.

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It's a good troop. It was
funny, it was I brought the

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kids to it, and um,
it was like appropriate for them as well.

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So they were able to do funny
and appropriate without without just like a

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ton of swearing, which it is
pretty hard. Uh. And we elected

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so much that we invited them that
troop to host my son's birthday party and

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do an improv lesson for like my
son and a bunch of his friends.

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Oh, that's awesome. It was
pretty good. It was, Hey,

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look a lot of yes and ending
do you find any uh find any stars

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in the in your son's friend group? Sound good? I love him very

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much. He's he's good at a
lot of things. Yeah, Um,

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you know it's you know, he
gets it, he gets what you're supposed

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to be doing. Yeah, like
you know, there's a lot of um,

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I'm gonna say for a bunch of
like eight eight nine year olds,

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the idea of giving in an in
an improv situation is tough. You want

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to be is a lot of taking, right, like I want to do

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the thing. There's not a lot
of giving. And that was good because

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that's what the that's what the lesson
was about. It was about you know,

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sharing and giving and teamwork. So
yeah, there's a bigger picture to

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it all. Imagine that would have
been helpful for me when I was young.

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I think I've always been fairly generous. But again, I'd also think

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I would be awesome on stage in
improv, and we know that's probably not

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true. I've seen a lot of
friends do improv and it's been and it's

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been it's been good too. Oh
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few weeks ago. We saw Abbey's
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shows I've been to that I say
would and I'm not. Again, I'm

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not trying to get here. We
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five years ago at this point,
and I remember going into the like going

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into the theater like I did with
many improv shows, and I've been I

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don't know why I've been so much
improv. I clearly always just don't love

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it. But Abbey's was funny,
and I think Her Troops was funny because

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it started on a very bizarre note
and they kept feeding off that right away.

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I was like, Okay, get
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the awkwardness out of the air.
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improv where it's like seventy percent of
the people that are really good and like

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thirty well, and then like twenty
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like a five percent or at least
one person who's terrible, and you can

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tell that person. Everybody's bummed when
that person gets called on and they come

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on and they're like, oh God, here comes, here comes you know,

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Bill gonna do his fucking thing,
And then everybody's like, good,

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it's time we tossed it. Dan
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that all the time, he's just
what is this guy doing here? I

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respect hypothetical Bill though, for still
going up on stage going through it.

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Bill's a little man because they won't
do they won't let him leave, they

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won't do his material. Like he's
got some he's got some really good ideas.

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But Bill is real bummed out that
there keep shooting it down. He's

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gonna start his own troop and it's
gonna be fucking awesome. I saw a

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stand up once in New York where
I couldn't tell if the person was legitimately

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joking or not, but he was
screaming at the audience to stop clapping for

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him. He was doing so he
was doing so terribly, he was doing

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so poorly um that at some point
it was like a real bad set.

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It seemed like I couldn't talk.
This was real or it was real bad

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set. And then he's like,
this fucking sucks. I fucking hate this.

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Why didn't even come up here?
To everybody's like and they're like,

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yeah, don't fucking clap for that, And everybody's like, yeah, yeah,

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so you hate all of you.
Hey, All the harder he tries,

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the harder they laughing cheer. Pretty
much like as he was like,

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this is the worst night of my
life, and They're like, yeah,

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that's pretty funny, that's that's pretty
good. There's no way out of that.

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No, and they just kind of
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Steve Zond got up this way,
Steve zon I think so. I think

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that's what happened. Sahara say,
that's about the timing. That's one of

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my desert island movies. Why why, I don't know. Yeah, there's

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a desert involved, okay with I
watched The Hara. What a what a

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weird thing I've never told anybody before
is that I watched The Hara quite a

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lot. Oh still to this day, maybe yearly, maybe twice a year.

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Twice a year is kind of a
lot. Yeah, Dwights in it,

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Rain Wilson, It's not a terrible
movie. I saw in the theater.

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It's like I thought it was one
of those It's one of those movies

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I saw with my girlfriend now wife
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and then only years and years later, would you say, Saharah, is

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it used as like a punchline,
right, like, oh fuck a movie.

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Yeah, It's like, heyverybody's fine. I don't get it. It's

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an uncharted DLC story. It's I
always appreciate what they're going for with it.

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But my uh, my dad was
really into Clive Cussler books, reading

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them, so anytime it got adapted
the what eight times they got adapted into

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movies of varying degrees of quality,
my dad was hyped. I did not

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know that was a Clive Custler.
Oh yeah, that was so Sahara.

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I may be confusing it with other
movies. Sahara was kind of like the

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lost work of Clive Custler that got
made into a movie. My dad was

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just amped as hell. It's like
they're making like his second book into a

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movie. Nobody appreciates how good it
is. My dad is one of the

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few action book connoisseurs. He really
likes Nelson DeMille. If you're by the

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rivers of Babylon Cathedral, like like
the books, reading the books are like

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screenplays for action movies. Very fun
weekend reads. I highly recommend Cathedral Ira

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Terrorists takeover Saint Patrick's Cathedral in New
York on Saint Patrick's Day as part of

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a terror operation as terrorists. That
sounds like a good book for the fire

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Escape book Club. You Got You
Got Gone, That's a good idea.

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Of Vinny. We uh, we've
recently talked about. I forget how it

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came up. Maybe it was a
reader email and Dan and Mary, I

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think, had asked me for a
recommendation of something short to read. I'm

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probably butchering this, but we had
started thinking brainstorming Novella's short stories to read

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for like a bonus episode kind of
reading club. And I told them I

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like reading. It's separate from work, separate from fire Escape. I don't

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want it to be part of anything. But but yeah, Cathedral could be

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good. By the Rivers of Babylon
was good, if I if I remember

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correctly, Wait, how did you
go? Wait? There was like a

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missing like scene missing there where you
said I like reading. I don't want

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him to be part of Dan warming
down. Oh okay, okay, Dan

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got up there. You know,
Bill and Dan was like idea for a

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show, and it's anything you're doing, I'm gonna start my own thing.

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I had to relent just to move
to move on in the episode, otherwise

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we would just be quagmired. Um, you should do the entire you know,

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you should just do the entire Clive
Custler catalog, like just a book,

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a book a week. He's no
Stephen King, but Clive Custler was

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prolific. He like he. I
think they had to shut down some wings

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of airports because of the weight of
his books. At some point, we're

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just kind of like having it fall
into loose soil or something. I like

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Clive Custler is one of those authors
that is like, I'm walking through the

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airport and it's just giant Clive Custler
next on a blue background with like a

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flag or something, or maybe a
horse, and it's just like, Clive's

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got a new book. Is he
dead? I have no idea he actually,

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I think so. And I'm I
think he's got a son who took

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over the business. Oh what's the
son's name? Please please be Clive Carl

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Now I'm curious. I'll look it
up over the break or something. But

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we um and I might be misremembering
again. I might be confusing Sahara with

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something else. But Clive Cussler,
Nelson DeMille, who's the author who wrote

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Um Dennis Lahane. I don't know
why he's in that same camp as them.

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He shouldn't be. He wrote Mystic
River and also Shutter Island, which

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okay, I remember I was a
junior in high school when I heard that

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Scorsese's next movie is going to be
called Shutter Island. It's based off this

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book, so of course we all
run out by Shutter Island, read it,

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and then consume everything else. Dennis
Lehane has written damn. Different group

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of has been meats always just like
heady, Like I don't think I always

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prepared every books heavy. These are
the same friends as like let's go shotgun

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and a handle of vodka tomorrow as
well that we weren't all um brains of

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the organization. Uh sure, but
I don't know why I associate like anytime

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an author writes more than ten books, I assume he's just commercial, which

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is not true at all, because
even Shakespeare wrote like forty five works whatever

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you call them. Now we're into
Shakespeare anyway. Oh man, it's great,

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you know it's uh we got on
the mic who we've fart for like

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an hour and a half, and
uh, you know, talk about how

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Hi Mario jumps, not about Lahane
versus Shakespeare. Uh, a handle of

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vodka versus five Cussler, you'd win
in a fight. It's a different group.

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I'm just classing up the joint in
Dan and Mary's absence. Yeah,

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Dan's at a Hollow Night convention.
Mary is very bad at Miss pac Man.

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So she went to this like crash
Cars, Miss Pacman boot Camp.

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Yeah, is that for real?
Yeah, that's amazing. Mary's terrible at

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Miss pac Man. Next time you
see her, say, I heard you

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suck a Miss pac Man. Okay, Dan's much better than you. Okay,

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I will say those is And is
she okay at pac Man? Yes,

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surprisingly enough, she's phenomenal at pac
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very bad. Okay, just don't
transfer over, you know, Yeah,

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yeah, I know. I mean
listen, I've been there. It's it's

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tough. And you see Dan asked
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Hollow Night convention. Yeah, okay, huge Hollow Knight fan. He loves

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Hollow Night. Oh my gosh.
Somebody just dropped the body upstairs in my

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in my room here they heard Hollow
Night. Yeah that was Dan. Actually

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just bust through my wall upstairs.
He's dressed up as the Hollow Knight.

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You would not believe it. He's
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which is a shame because that wall
is expensive it's my most expensive wall.

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That's better than coming through the concrete
foundation behind you. No, that

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would be bad because that would make
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but that would also be a damn
thing. I had no idea about

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those things. But either of those
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you guys are uncovering Hollow Night convention? Cheek you just got I will well,

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okay, So I want to ask
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you went to Belgium to see Bald's
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release, which they people missed.
They bumped up the PC release of Bald's

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Gate three from October twenty or sorry
Jesus August twenty eighth to August third,

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full month based August thirty first,
etc. And then they bump PS five

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back a week. I want to
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But you also just got back from
and I'm not making this up,

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a castle in Belgium with Dan Reicher. What was How have you recovered yet?

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I mean sleepwise? Yeah? Surprisingly, I was okay because we're only

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there for like three days, so
I didn't even have time to adjust to

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the time change. And then I
came back and after not sleeping in bell

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right asleep. But yeah, it
was. It was interesting. I've never

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been on a trip with Dan before. It's been a while since i've been

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on a work trip anyway, But
we went to Ghent, Belgium. The

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preview was like in a crypt,
I guess. But more interestingly, we

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went to a castle that was very
close by that had a full on torture

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chamber that Dan just kept looking at
and be like, I think they killed

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people with these things, And I
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was the That was the gist of
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It was like an iron maiden chokey, there's no iron main ironin.

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Iron Maidens weren't actually real. Really, yeah, they I think, God,

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I forgot how, but I think
they were made up. I'm pretty

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sure they were made up. I
don't know why they were made up,

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but yeah, apparently they didn't actually
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but like you think somebody after they
were made up? Do you think somebody

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made one? Was like that,
if they don't exist, I should make

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one, because that's I bet you
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for Middle Ages yet I don't.
I don't think they actually used Iron Maid.

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I think the band Iron Maiden is
like, do not let anybody know

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this, like rolling in their graves, like what our whole yeah, our

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whole premise. Roll Dal put one
in Matilda basically the chokey. Remember missus

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trunch Bull would throw kids in the
chokey. I don't think I've ever said

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this anybody. I think he might
read too many books. But you know,

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okay, well, no, I
saw the movie because I was a

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big Danny DeVito mark when I was
younger, Like Danny DeVito and his wife

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were a permanent in this movie.
I gotta watch. No, I'm still

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a Danny DeVito mark. But yeah, they throw kids in this chokey and

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the spikes were like just narrow enough
Maiden. Yeah, it was horrible.

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It was like Jumanji. It was
actually going back to watch that movie.

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It was kind of fucked up.
I feel like the only thing worse than

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like dying in an Iron Maiden is
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which is what Roll Dial dreamed for
this children's novel Yea, which is also

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creepy anyway, Sorry, Jake Um, Yeah, so you saw Chamber What

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they did have was this like neck
thing that they put on people's necks that

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had spikes on the inside, so
it would just sit there and if you

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move too much, it would just
pierce your neck. Is cool, Like

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if you fall asleep, you can't
fall asleep. If you fell asleep,

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head just nod off and die.
I don't like that, uh, not

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one bit. But screws. What's
that thumb? Screws? I feel like

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those are like the one that they
just like turn the knob and like little

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things go into your thumbs. Okay, those are always a cloud crowd pleaser

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like that, but for your neck
and yeah, yeah, that'll get the

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confessions out. But yeah, like
I said, never never traveled with Dan

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before. It was interesting. I
appreciated being abroad with him because he isn't

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afraid to look embarrassing. I suppose
he isn't afraid to embarrass himselves. What

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you're saying, you're the kindest person
I know. I'd love you for you.

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Well, he because an issue would
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like trying to think my way through
it and be like I'm just gonna ask

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someone. And he'd go up and
talk to people and just shout at them

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for a little bit, and a
lot of times they wouldn't know what he

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was saying, or if they did. Like for example, we were having

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trouble getting an ATM machine to work. I couldn't we couldn't neither us good

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withdraw money. There was a bank
nearby. Banks typically don't convert cash,

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you know, like you can't bring
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thought he'd try, and we walked
in and he's just like, hey,

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I got cash. What can we
do something with this? And they're like

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off guard and they're like, uh
no, you gotta go some marls.

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And he's like, we just want
to exchange it, and they're like we

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don't. We don't do that here, and he's like where should we go?

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Like I don't know. I was
like, okay, the airport you

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came from wasn't much what they said. They were like airport and we're like,

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oh, it's too far. How
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Or I eventually got an ATM machine
to work. We just went to a

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different one and I withdrew euros.
Is fine, but you know, if

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it was just me, I wouldn't
have gone in and asked, I would

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have just spent I would have starved
or just spent hours looking for ATM machine

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that that would work, and you
know, we found one eventually it worked

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out. But what's what's Ghent like? Ghent is? I mean it is

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like a smaller city in Belgium.
I suppose it's it's he's easy to walk

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around, it's way less crowded than
something like Brussels. I've only been to

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Brussels in Belgium, so I don't
really have much else to compare it to.

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Yeah, it's a small little town, easy to walk around, very

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bike friendly, a lot of buses
that you don't really hear d animals got

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hit by like three or four buses
while we were there. Trains, sorry,

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not buses because they were on tracks, but they felt more like are

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they like a trolley kind of Yeah? Okay, was could you compare?

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I know this is the most American
question ever? What would you compare a

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Ghent to in America? If you
can? Or like California, maybe to

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hone in more. I don't think
I really can't. I mean maybe like

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San luc abyss Bo if you've ever
been in California like that? Quiet,

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weekend things started getting a little crazier,

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but even then it wasn't nearly as
bad as something like Paris or yeah,

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I don't know, even even like
Brussels. When I was there. Yeah,

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well, one thing we figured out
is that they're not really a big

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coffee They don't have much coffee culture. So at like seven am, eight

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am or whatever, we were like, oh, let's go get some coffee.

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We found this coffee shop that looked
really cool, but we saw it

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five pm and we're like, we
probably shouldn't do that before bed. So

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we went back there and it was
closed, and we were like, all

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right, we'll just go to Starbucks. Starbucks also closed. Found three more

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coffee shops at eight am they're all
closed. We eventually found one, and

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of course Dan was like, what's
the deal? All the coffee shops closed?

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much here. I was like,
okay, it was like we had we

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drink our coffee at home. I'm
like, okay, huh, yeah it

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was. You've been to Amsterdam before, yes, several times. Is that

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also true of Amsterdam? I feel
like I remember Mary and Josh Shaw going

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into or maybe it was a specific
kind of like coffee concoction that they were

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not aware of. I don't remember
an Amsterdam, I think, I mean,

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Amsterdam is much bigger, so I
feel like it was easy to find

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coffee anyway. But I also don't
really drink coffee. So on we drink

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coffee, and I haven't slept for
twenty six hours of flight or something.

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But I think the thing you're thinking
of is when and I think it was

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Mary and Josh got in a fight
with the barista because they didn't do an

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iced coffee or something like iced coffee
might have. Yeah, oh it was

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cold coffee was weird to them.
Yeah, and yeah, like we called

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yeah, the guy called Josh some
like Starbucks loving American or oh, Josh

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Shaw's pretty well traveled, I'd say, which is funny to fall people to

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call him that. I want to
know if I want to know if you

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got a waffle or did you or
Dan get a waffle? We got a

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Belgian waffle. We got a Belgium
waffle apparently not really a big thing for

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locals, but they're there for tourists. But we did have a waffle.

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Is very good. Um. I
filmed Dan's reaction and he like just eyes

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got really wide and mouth dropped open, and I'm like, all right,

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this is it's good content, I
guess, because yeah, yeah, that'll

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be that'll be up. Is that
gonna be a giant bomb thing or game

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spot thing separate from Balder's Gate.
Yeah, the travel Law will be a

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giant bomb thing. That'll be probably
in a couple of weeks. It's we

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shot a lot um. Dan would
like react to anything and everything, so

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there's a lot to a lot to
parse through there. But but but it

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should be funny? Should it should
be entertaining? Did you film in the

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bank? Didn't film in the bank? I wish we did. Dan running

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around waving twenty dollar bills and people
Michael Man's heat too. I guess I'm

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just grabbed to rob the place.
It's all part of the plan. Which

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did you Uh? Do you have
good beers? Yeah? We had a

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lot of good beer. And the
thing is, so every time I go

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to Europe and I drink a beer, usually it's like five percent four percent.

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It's usually much lighter and it doesn't
feel as lucy goosey with percentages there.

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It feels very like on the mark, but in Belgium everything is eight

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percent. Like I had trouble finding
anything under eight percent. So I'd have

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a couple of beers and I'd be
I'd be feeling it. But we found

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this cherry beer I think called La
Shoof or something like that that we kept

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going to. In fact, we
found this. We found this uh gamer

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bar kind of that had all these
arcade machines and and all that sort of

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stuff, and they had this cherry
beer that we just kept going back to

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to get this cherry beer over over
and over again. But they also had

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fucked up pong, which was pong
that did not obey the laws of physics.

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It was like magnetized or something.
But you'd hit it, it would

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count as a hit even if you
missed it, and the bounce made no

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sense. But of course Dan loved
it and was like immediately shopping for how

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he could get into his house.
I don't know if you're gonna be able

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to find this broken pong. Yeah, it was everybody's English amazing. Yeah,

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everyone spoke pretty great English. Yeah, you know, they speak like

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three languages there. I think they
speak Dutch, English, Flemish and apparently

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no one really speaks Flemish, but
they learn it anyway, at least to

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some extent, because it's more historic. I guess, I don't know,

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sure, yeah, I mean it's
always amazing how many languages other countries just

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know. I'm trying to learn one
other language, and I'm like I'm too

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stupid for this, you know,
Like I feel like I'm just too old.

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My brain's not going to fit any
of these words. It's like I

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really should have learned as kid.
Is it German? Well, I'm trying

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to learn Dutch, but I guess
it. Took a lot of Spanish classes

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in high school and I can read
Spanish, but I can't speak Spanish.

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I'm terrible with languages as well,
like just just hot mates, it's hard,

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Like I don't know, Like due
lingo is great to an extent,

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right, Like I know you've been
doing due lingo forever, Mike, and

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like I'm like, get two hundred
days or something now, and like I

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feel like it's good at introducing you
to the language, but then you get

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to the point where it's like you're
just throwing terms at me or words vocab

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and it's not going to help because
I don't know how to actually talk to

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someone. Yeah, from what I've
from what I've seen of dual lingo,

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and I did nine years of Spanish
before du a lingo, Like I was

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actually trying to become fluent throughout my
education, and then dual lingo is just

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a good way to force myself and
kind of help myself accountable to at least,

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Yeah, keep up with it.
But I agree, dual lingo seems

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like it's very good at teaching someone
the basic phrases, and if you're good

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at a language, it's good for
maintaining and you can do you can.

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They've added more features for you to
opt into a lot more speaking and listening

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rather than just reading and writing.
However, it's those intermediate lessons that form

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the building blocks of a language that
I don't and maybe they do. Maybe

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I need to start a new language
and try it out. Amanda's really good

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with French, for instance, And
we're debating kind of learning each other's preferred

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language or preferred second language. I
guess, yeah, we're debating learning English

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and it's not going well for me
at all. But it seems like you're

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missing a lot of I can't imagine
due lingo doing as good of a job

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as teaching me how to conjugate certain
pronouns in very basic conversation. It's one

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of the hardest things for me in
Spanish still is off the cuff when I'm

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speaking to someone throwing in those pronouns, like to say. Just the other

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day, across the street from me, the garden store where we buy most

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of our house plants, one of
the employees really does not speak much English

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speak Spanish. So I was like, okay, I'll do my best not

404
00:28:48.240 --> 00:28:52.079
look like an idiot. And of
course, instead of saying like how much

405
00:28:52.160 --> 00:28:56.119
son does this plant need? I
say how much son do you need?

406
00:28:56.799 --> 00:29:00.400
Which to me it's just literal,
just cut that s at one point conversationally.

407
00:29:00.440 --> 00:29:03.440
But to him it's like this guy
needs to stick to English. I'll

408
00:29:03.519 --> 00:29:08.440
understand the basics. But did he
answer tell you what? He took a

409
00:29:08.519 --> 00:29:11.039
pause, but then he's like,
oh, Like I was like, uh,

410
00:29:11.319 --> 00:29:18.200
what is it? But I said
nessitas. So basically I was saying

411
00:29:18.720 --> 00:29:21.920
how much sun do you need the
plant? And to him he's like,

412
00:29:22.640 --> 00:29:26.359
oh, like indirect kind of sunlight
would be great. I was like okay,

413
00:29:26.440 --> 00:29:27.000
and how many? And then I
was like, well, It's a

414
00:29:27.119 --> 00:29:30.480
very simple sentence to say how many
times a week should I water it?

415
00:29:30.880 --> 00:29:34.640
But it's the water it again,
that is the toughest part of that sentence

416
00:29:34.680 --> 00:29:40.839
if you're not speaking it often.
Yeah, So basically I ended up saying

417
00:29:41.559 --> 00:29:47.240
how many times a week does it
need water? Instead of should I water

418
00:29:47.359 --> 00:29:48.839
it? Because the latter is a
bit harder, So you can I can

419
00:29:48.920 --> 00:29:53.240
get around conversations fairly easily. Yeah, but I sound dumb when I'm doing

420
00:29:53.319 --> 00:29:59.039
it, and they definitely know I'm
American. But I get there. But

421
00:29:59.160 --> 00:30:06.440
I can't imagine a lingo in its
current form teaching me those very simple to

422
00:30:06.559 --> 00:30:08.839
them as like, hey, here's
why I'm addressing, or rather, here's

423
00:30:08.880 --> 00:30:12.160
the subject of the sentence, here's
the object. To me, it's like,

424
00:30:12.440 --> 00:30:18.440
let me just get through the verbs
and conjugate them correctly in conversation without

425
00:30:18.519 --> 00:30:22.519
pausing too long and wasting their time. I don't know. Maybe due lingo

426
00:30:22.640 --> 00:30:26.680
is better about that, And I've
been doing it long enough where I am

427
00:30:26.920 --> 00:30:30.480
very curious what it would be like
to try to learn a new language from

428
00:30:30.559 --> 00:30:33.839
scratch. Yeah. I mean that's
what I did with Dutch, and like

429
00:30:33.359 --> 00:30:36.799
I said, it gave me some
Foundations. But then when I actually went

430
00:30:36.839 --> 00:30:40.119
to Amsterdam, and even in Belgium
where most people speak Dutch or English,

431
00:30:40.200 --> 00:30:41.920
it was just like, I mean, I know what that word means,

432
00:30:42.400 --> 00:30:45.799
but that's that's all I can do, and like I kind of know what

433
00:30:45.880 --> 00:30:49.640
that verb means, but I can't. I can't have a conversation. I

434
00:30:49.720 --> 00:30:53.119
can't even like I can say hello
and thank you and goodbye, and like

435
00:30:53.720 --> 00:30:56.440
that's about it, and can I
have a beer? It's about it,

436
00:30:56.559 --> 00:31:03.960
Yeah, the essentials exactly. I
think. I feel like my humble opinion

437
00:31:04.039 --> 00:31:08.119
is I think you just really need
to be immersed at some point and spend

438
00:31:08.240 --> 00:31:15.279
like two weeks just thinking in that
lay. Like I've had friends who are

439
00:31:15.440 --> 00:31:18.480
are native other language speakers and they've
been in the States, and I've heard

440
00:31:18.599 --> 00:31:22.519
multiple times it takes like anywhere from
like a week or three weeks, and

441
00:31:22.559 --> 00:31:26.920
then I've heard this a couple of
times before they start dreaming in in that

442
00:31:26.039 --> 00:31:30.079
language again, and like thinking in
that language again, and like the their

443
00:31:30.119 --> 00:31:34.559
brains switch over. Um, And
I think immersion is just just My mother

444
00:31:34.599 --> 00:31:38.480
in law was a Spanish teacher and
she was a big proponent of just like

445
00:31:38.759 --> 00:31:42.279
you just stop stop speaking in English. If you want to learn another language,

446
00:31:42.559 --> 00:31:45.279
you just have to be surrounded by
My wife is also kind of amazing

447
00:31:45.359 --> 00:31:49.440
with languages in a really annoying way, like she just kind of picks them

448
00:31:49.519 --> 00:31:56.839
up, and it sucks because it's
embarrassing hum to go anywhere with her.

449
00:31:56.119 --> 00:32:00.920
Like we went to Italy and I'm
Italian, and like my grandparents are Italian

450
00:32:00.559 --> 00:32:05.599
and her Italian. She would speak
to people stop talking to me and just

451
00:32:05.640 --> 00:32:10.079
speak to her, and she like
learned or picked up Italian like a couple

452
00:32:10.079 --> 00:32:15.599
of months before, and I would
be like, stop speaking, Well,

453
00:32:15.759 --> 00:32:17.960
okay, you order, Then you
order the food, ask them where everything

454
00:32:19.119 --> 00:32:21.319
is, you do it. And
then as we're leaving, I'd just be

455
00:32:21.440 --> 00:32:25.200
like, you know, she's really
Jewish and then and they'd be like,

456
00:32:25.279 --> 00:32:32.960
what yea the Italian she's Jewish,
and it would be like what why are

457
00:32:34.000 --> 00:32:40.279
you to be like shouting this.
Then I would get arrested and it'd be

458
00:32:40.440 --> 00:32:45.039
like this guy kicked out of the
country. No, she's like amazing with

459
00:32:45.240 --> 00:32:50.079
with like all languages, um specifically
romance languages. But I think it's just

460
00:32:50.160 --> 00:32:52.480
one of those things where people just
have an ear for it, Like Mikey,

461
00:32:52.480 --> 00:32:55.359
you might just have like a good
ear for for like languages, and

462
00:32:55.559 --> 00:33:02.079
you probably beat yourself up too much
about your your Yeah, it's I found

463
00:33:02.119 --> 00:33:07.680
it's funny because I actually people in
my life. I associate the people in

464
00:33:07.720 --> 00:33:13.440
my life who are good with languages
with the people who are also good at

465
00:33:13.640 --> 00:33:16.920
math. And I don't know that
there's an actual correlation. Maybe it just

466
00:33:17.039 --> 00:33:23.799
exists in my head. But now
I'm thirty two, when I'm working on

467
00:33:24.000 --> 00:33:30.400
Spanish, that's the closest to like
the same kind of thinking I used to

468
00:33:30.480 --> 00:33:35.839
do when I was actually taking math
courses. Because the most math I do

469
00:33:35.960 --> 00:33:39.000
nowadays very basic stuff like the stuff
they taught us in journalism school to refresh

470
00:33:39.119 --> 00:33:44.440
us before we needed to do very
basic like financial stories, whatever. But

471
00:33:45.960 --> 00:33:49.319
most people in my life that are
good with languages, I also would say

472
00:33:49.559 --> 00:33:53.079
generally are good with math. And
I don't know if that's if there's any

473
00:33:53.160 --> 00:33:58.319
correlation. Maybe there is, but
in my head, I'm like, I

474
00:33:58.480 --> 00:34:02.119
fucking suck at math, or I
just I just don't practice it often,

475
00:34:02.720 --> 00:34:07.319
Like I could do the very basic
stuff, but when it comes to like

476
00:34:07.239 --> 00:34:10.039
long division nowadays, I like,
I don't know if I have room for

477
00:34:10.119 --> 00:34:15.159
that. I've gotten more in my
life, I've gotten more into like gardening,

478
00:34:15.320 --> 00:34:19.519
I've gotten more into learning Spanish.
There's there's only so much room for

479
00:34:19.639 --> 00:34:22.599
things I can really try to get
good at. And I don't know that

480
00:34:23.039 --> 00:34:29.239
like deep math. I think long
division is deep mathep. People are rolling.

481
00:34:29.360 --> 00:34:34.039
People are just like wincing. Um. I promise I'm not completely stupid,

482
00:34:34.320 --> 00:34:38.960
but there are there are some things
that take up more headspace every day,

483
00:34:39.079 --> 00:34:43.800
and I'm just like, I don't
I've got a calculator on my phone.

484
00:34:43.960 --> 00:34:45.519
I'll get through this. I know
how to do basic I know how

485
00:34:45.559 --> 00:34:50.880
to tip. Well, sure that's
about it. That's like multiplication though,

486
00:34:50.960 --> 00:34:53.519
right, you just take just moving
a decimals too. Yeah, Pete Brown

487
00:34:53.599 --> 00:34:57.760
taught me that actually, oddly enough
really, which I think it's a fairly

488
00:34:57.840 --> 00:35:01.320
common thing to know how to do. But before Pete Brown taught me,

489
00:35:02.840 --> 00:35:07.400
if you and apologies if this is
painfully obvious, but when you get the

490
00:35:07.559 --> 00:35:12.239
check for the table at a restaurant, you get, say it's a twenty

491
00:35:12.280 --> 00:35:16.159
five seventy twenty five dollars and seventy
two cent check, just move the decimal

492
00:35:16.239 --> 00:35:20.639
over once and then multiply whatever's left
to the decimal. So that'd be four

493
00:35:20.679 --> 00:35:23.960
dollars. It sounds obvious now because
that, by definition, would be twenty

494
00:35:24.039 --> 00:35:30.119
percent. Before that, I used
to just like dread getting the check because

495
00:35:30.159 --> 00:35:32.800
I'm like, fuck, great,
twenty percent is a good tip. I'm

496
00:35:32.840 --> 00:35:36.800
gonna do twenty percent. But like, oh, it's twenty five bucks,

497
00:35:36.880 --> 00:35:39.800
so that's easy. It's you know, it's it's four bucks, but it's

498
00:35:39.840 --> 00:35:43.719
a bit above twenty. Saw that
another dollar. Then I just saw that

499
00:35:43.840 --> 00:35:45.000
and I was like, just move
that over and then round up. That

500
00:35:45.159 --> 00:35:53.199
was I didn't learn that until I
was twenty four. Public school education failed

501
00:35:53.239 --> 00:35:59.840
me. We used to just double
the tax in New York and then just

502
00:36:00.199 --> 00:36:01.960
up to twenty percent. I don't
know. I don't remember if the the

503
00:36:04.039 --> 00:36:08.960
tax on food was ten percent,
but um, I feel like tipping also

504
00:36:09.079 --> 00:36:14.039
has had its own like escalation where
it's like, oh man, it's twenty

505
00:36:14.079 --> 00:36:16.519
percent, is that too low?
Now twenty to tip higher? I mean

506
00:36:19.559 --> 00:36:22.800
it's like all automated too, where
it's like you just pay and they stick

507
00:36:22.880 --> 00:36:24.760
the thing in your face and it's
like eight used to be fifteen, twenty

508
00:36:24.800 --> 00:36:28.719
twenty five, and now it's like
it was like twenty twenty five, thirty

509
00:36:28.760 --> 00:36:30.440
and now it's twenty five thirty thirty
five, and I'm like, about,

510
00:36:30.440 --> 00:36:35.719
how about you just just pay these
employees a little bit more? Yes,

511
00:36:35.960 --> 00:36:38.440
yes, but yes, right living
wage. And also it's like that.

512
00:36:38.679 --> 00:36:44.760
It's also amazing because the difference would
be probably if I paid in cash,

513
00:36:44.800 --> 00:36:46.239
it would be like a dollar in
that little jar, like you know,

514
00:36:46.360 --> 00:36:50.840
like you know, it goes from
Okay, I'm gonna pay like twenty five

515
00:36:50.960 --> 00:36:53.000
percent of this thing, which could
it be anywhere from like a dollar to

516
00:36:53.239 --> 00:36:57.800
three dollars or something versus uh,
well, if you I just paid in

517
00:36:57.880 --> 00:37:00.239
cash, I'd probably just put the
loose change or be a dollar in the

518
00:37:00.360 --> 00:37:05.360
thing and be done. So it's
another reason we should all go back to

519
00:37:05.440 --> 00:37:09.440
cash, get rid of get rid
of the penny, and get rid of

520
00:37:09.960 --> 00:37:15.920
apple Bay. A nice thing about. Yeah, so it's really nice for

521
00:37:15.000 --> 00:37:19.800
splitting checks at tables, getting those
the handheld ones where you could just say

522
00:37:19.840 --> 00:37:22.440
do you want to split this?
How many ways? You could just say

523
00:37:22.519 --> 00:37:24.960
six, and then it'll you'll pass
it to the next person once you pay,

524
00:37:25.039 --> 00:37:30.000
etc. Another nice byproduct of that
the fact that you are presented,

525
00:37:30.599 --> 00:37:34.039
or even if you're just getting coffee, the fact that you're presented with the

526
00:37:34.119 --> 00:37:37.559
percentages, I think it's easier for
them to assume you're going to tip something.

527
00:37:38.280 --> 00:37:40.840
And it's funny. I was just
watching the Seinfeld episode the other day

528
00:37:40.880 --> 00:37:49.199
that still rings true when George has
the hang up that he needs the employee

529
00:37:49.280 --> 00:37:54.000
to see him put money in the
jar. Yeah, which as like neurotic

530
00:37:54.199 --> 00:37:59.880
as that is and chauvinistic as that
is, I still sort of get it

531
00:38:00.119 --> 00:38:05.119
because there's something about tipping in America
unfortunately, where I'm like, Hey,

532
00:38:05.199 --> 00:38:07.960
this sucks that you need to rely
on this, but I'm there with you.

533
00:38:07.079 --> 00:38:12.119
But then, like then I catch
myself thinking I'm being a huge George

534
00:38:12.239 --> 00:38:16.159
right now, Whereas like when they're
you're presenting you with those percentages, and

535
00:38:16.840 --> 00:38:20.960
in order to not tip someone,
you'd have to press the other and then

536
00:38:21.119 --> 00:38:24.280
zero dot zero zero, and they
just give you so many more chances to

537
00:38:24.320 --> 00:38:28.320
feel like a piece of shit.
I've never done that for I've worked in

538
00:38:28.360 --> 00:38:30.400
this, We've talked about this on
fire Skip, I've worked in the service

539
00:38:30.480 --> 00:38:34.760
industry for many years. I would
never do that, but I appreciate,

540
00:38:34.840 --> 00:38:37.920
at least in the American system,
that it's that much harder for someone to

541
00:38:38.079 --> 00:38:44.119
not tip somebody. And I would
just caught myself thinking that earlier today,

542
00:38:44.199 --> 00:38:47.519
even at the cafe across the street, and like that Castandra joke even has

543
00:38:47.559 --> 00:38:52.880
even more weight now where I'm like
that the screen is facing me. However,

544
00:38:53.159 --> 00:38:55.760
in my head, I'm like,
they know I'm tipping something because like

545
00:38:55.800 --> 00:38:59.239
I'm not going to do the zero
zero zero thing. But and then I

546
00:38:59.280 --> 00:39:01.000
feel like a piece of shit.
But I always I always dipped them.

547
00:39:01.039 --> 00:39:05.639
Well, I never thought about that, like tipping while they can see you

548
00:39:05.880 --> 00:39:07.800
until one time I was at a
coffee shop and I was like, I

549
00:39:08.000 --> 00:39:12.960
ordered something and they were they were
they turned around to make the drink or

550
00:39:12.960 --> 00:39:15.480
whatever, and I was about to
put my money in the jar and just

551
00:39:15.599 --> 00:39:17.960
someone grabbed my arm and was like
no, you gotta wait wait really see

552
00:39:19.000 --> 00:39:21.440
it. Yeah, just some some
person who was standing next and he was

553
00:39:21.440 --> 00:39:23.800
like, oh wait hold on and
a stranger yeah. And I was like,

554
00:39:23.920 --> 00:39:27.320
okay, is that a thing?
And they were like, well,

555
00:39:27.599 --> 00:39:29.719
they gotta see it. I was
like okay. I felt like I was

556
00:39:29.760 --> 00:39:35.000
in a Seinfeldts kit. Was it
Larry David behind you? Like, you

557
00:39:35.079 --> 00:39:37.960
gotta wait, this is Larry David. That's pretty good. I gotta wait,

558
00:39:38.599 --> 00:39:40.559
you gotta wait what is this you
gotta wait now, I don't know.

559
00:39:40.960 --> 00:39:45.079
My cousin was a barista for many
years, and ironically he would say

560
00:39:45.159 --> 00:39:51.559
that he would often feel the reverse
where he would feel uncomfortable if he saw

561
00:39:51.679 --> 00:39:57.880
people do it, so he would
turn around like very theatrically to fill the

562
00:39:57.960 --> 00:40:00.039
cup in order to say like,
here's your chance to tip. Hopefully you

563
00:40:00.119 --> 00:40:05.360
get more like so then I'm thinking
that just makes even funnier than I'm like

564
00:40:05.559 --> 00:40:07.719
waiting for them to watch me put
in a dollar or five, make eye

565
00:40:07.760 --> 00:40:13.159
contact like, hey, got this
putting right here? Have for the record.

566
00:40:13.320 --> 00:40:16.719
I just that's the stuff that I
watched Seinfeld and like, man,

567
00:40:16.960 --> 00:40:21.000
some of these jokes are have not
as well, but others are very timeless.

568
00:40:21.199 --> 00:40:27.159
And Kramer trying to pay at the
pizza stand to get his pants heated

569
00:40:27.199 --> 00:40:34.519
in the oven with pennies has still
rings true, still holds weight. That's

570
00:40:35.239 --> 00:40:37.719
now the day goes by that I
don't think about that episode. It was

571
00:40:37.760 --> 00:40:45.360
a rainy day in the Bronx.
Yeah, but I I think I think

572
00:40:45.400 --> 00:40:51.039
the tipping stuff needs to be resolved
with yes, like a better minimum wages.

573
00:40:51.559 --> 00:40:58.039
But I think those like weird escalation
on those Kiosks checkout are. It's

574
00:40:58.079 --> 00:41:00.559
like a it's like a race of
the bottom man. It's like at some

575
00:41:00.719 --> 00:41:05.159
point it's just like you should you
should be able to like do twenty five

576
00:41:06.320 --> 00:41:09.280
or just vote for your next representative
on that thing, you know, just

577
00:41:09.400 --> 00:41:13.559
be like, look, I voted
to make sure you can get a better

578
00:41:13.719 --> 00:41:16.480
minimum wage. This is ridiculous.
There are places in San Francisco. There

579
00:41:16.480 --> 00:41:22.280
are places everywhere that are actually doing
this radical thing where they pay their services

580
00:41:22.280 --> 00:41:24.920
a salary and you don't need to
tip. And I remember the first time

581
00:41:24.920 --> 00:41:29.559
I encountered that. Well, it's
widespread, but like in America and San

582
00:41:29.599 --> 00:41:34.519
Francisco specifically, there's this place called
Zazzi in Noi Valley, which is two

583
00:41:34.599 --> 00:41:38.079
doors away from Padre Sitos, a
Mexican brunch place which closed down, which

584
00:41:38.159 --> 00:41:42.599
is a shame. Jake you pointed
out to I feel like it wasn't who

585
00:41:42.679 --> 00:41:45.840
have someone else said it? But
you've told me, okay, and I

586
00:41:45.960 --> 00:41:49.559
was bummed. Um, it was
a very good brunch place down in Noi

587
00:41:49.679 --> 00:41:54.400
Valley in San Francisco. But uh, next door there's a bar called Finnigan's

588
00:41:54.400 --> 00:41:59.960
Wake, i old school Irish pub. Vinny, you said something that has

589
00:42:00.079 --> 00:42:02.360
stuck with me ever since. When
about my wife, I apologize, I

590
00:42:02.360 --> 00:42:06.599
should I shouldn't have brought it up. You said two things to me.

591
00:42:07.320 --> 00:42:12.000
This is the other thing. And
you Dan and me were hanging out at

592
00:42:12.119 --> 00:42:15.639
Desmond's on Park av that place that
used to be near the office on the

593
00:42:15.239 --> 00:42:20.000
Madison and twenty eighth Street, and
you said, your favorite bars. When

594
00:42:20.039 --> 00:42:22.639
you're inside them, you could be
anywhere in the world and it would not

595
00:42:22.719 --> 00:42:24.639
matter where you are, the bar
would be the same. Yeah, And

596
00:42:24.760 --> 00:42:28.239
that was a really good way to
describe it. There's this bar called Finnegan's

597
00:42:28.280 --> 00:42:30.719
Wake in Noe Valley. I assume
it's still there, but I could be

598
00:42:30.800 --> 00:42:37.199
wrong, and it was right.
It's this just very generic Irish pub pool

599
00:42:37.239 --> 00:42:43.519
tables. They poured guinness well,
and it was between Padricitos, this place

600
00:42:43.599 --> 00:42:47.880
that closed and Zazzy, this other
brunch place with this lovely little back patio

601
00:42:49.000 --> 00:42:51.599
that you can sit in and you
didn't have to tip because they all got

602
00:42:51.639 --> 00:42:54.280
paid salaries. Meals were a bit
more expensive, but it was you know,

603
00:42:54.440 --> 00:42:58.119
you weren't tipping, so it didn't
matter. And the move used to

604
00:42:58.159 --> 00:43:00.800
be you go to Finnegan's Wake after
you put your aim and a zazzy and

605
00:43:00.840 --> 00:43:04.000
you have a few guinnesses while you're
playing pool, and then you go over

606
00:43:04.079 --> 00:43:08.679
there and I remember thinking it's so
weird to be in this very old school

607
00:43:09.920 --> 00:43:15.280
Irish American pub playing pool, like
putting quarters in to get the Q ball

608
00:43:15.679 --> 00:43:19.840
after you scratch, and then going
next door to a place where, of

609
00:43:20.000 --> 00:43:23.079
anywhere in San Francisco, you don't
have to tip because they're paid a salary.

610
00:43:23.159 --> 00:43:27.599
It was a very Tale of two
Bars kind of thing. Every time

611
00:43:27.639 --> 00:43:30.039
we went. It was fun,
but it was whiplash. Yeah, I

612
00:43:30.119 --> 00:43:36.559
think, I think for me,
Desmond's had this, But like it should

613
00:43:36.599 --> 00:43:38.679
just be like a wooden table,
like my perfect bar is like wooden table

614
00:43:38.920 --> 00:43:45.559
in a booth, you know,
and the table vaguely smells like a dirty

615
00:43:45.639 --> 00:43:46.880
rag. You know, it's a
little sticky. Maybe yeah, it's a

616
00:43:46.920 --> 00:43:52.639
little it's a little sticky, right
exactly. The bathroom. The only thing

617
00:43:52.679 --> 00:43:55.920
I would say is like, hopefully
the bathroom. Bathroom should probably be single

618
00:43:55.960 --> 00:44:00.800
occupancy, but it's never like a
big line for it, because a big

619
00:44:00.880 --> 00:44:02.920
line at a bar. But I
don't I don't know people, you guys,

620
00:44:02.960 --> 00:44:07.079
but like I don't wait online.
I'll look and waiting for there to

621
00:44:07.119 --> 00:44:09.199
be no line, and then I've
like when there's no line for the bathroom,

622
00:44:09.320 --> 00:44:13.280
I will like try and walk quickly
to it, and then somebody always

623
00:44:13.360 --> 00:44:15.239
gets up and then goes in,
and then I have to do the quick

624
00:44:15.320 --> 00:44:19.079
mental math of like, all right, do I do they like turnaround and

625
00:44:19.239 --> 00:44:21.239
like just kind of walk back to
the table, or like, am I

626
00:44:21.360 --> 00:44:23.519
gonna queue up for the bathroom now? And then when the person comes out,

627
00:44:23.599 --> 00:44:27.800
look them and deaden the eye and
be like, I'm gonna go into

628
00:44:27.880 --> 00:44:30.159
this place. You just had a
very personal moment in and I'm gonna go

629
00:44:30.320 --> 00:44:37.079
breathe everything about you into myself that
that's too intimate for me for a bar

630
00:44:37.199 --> 00:44:42.280
room experience. I had a thing
like that on the metro riding up to

631
00:44:42.280 --> 00:44:45.320
Connecticut a couple of weeks ago.
This person was probably just having an off

632
00:44:45.400 --> 00:44:50.480
day. It happens to the best
of us. I had been waiting a

633
00:44:50.599 --> 00:44:53.639
bit outside the bathroom on a metro
train. And if you've been on a

634
00:44:53.679 --> 00:44:58.440
metro train, you know that the
bathrooms are basically every other car, and

635
00:44:58.519 --> 00:45:00.119
they're kind of in the center of
the car. It's also like an area

636
00:45:00.159 --> 00:45:05.320
where you can stand. It's near
the doors that you exit onto the platform,

637
00:45:06.000 --> 00:45:09.280
and I was waiting outside and of
the bathroom, and I remember thinking,

638
00:45:09.840 --> 00:45:14.519
I hope this person's okay. It's
been like fifteen minutes. At a

639
00:45:14.599 --> 00:45:17.679
certain point, I actually the red
and green was kind of split in the

640
00:45:17.760 --> 00:45:20.880
middle, so I was like,
it's sort of occupied, but sort of

641
00:45:20.920 --> 00:45:22.239
not. So I gave it like
a harder yank to make sure. It

642
00:45:22.320 --> 00:45:24.920
was like you weren't sure if there
You didn't see the person go in.

643
00:45:25.400 --> 00:45:30.079
No, I didn't so I earlier. I pulled it gently and it was

644
00:45:30.199 --> 00:45:31.519
it felt locked, So I just
sat down to the bench right across.

645
00:45:31.800 --> 00:45:36.239
At a certain point, I'm like, okay, So now I'm faced with

646
00:45:36.280 --> 00:45:39.559
a decision of do I go kind
of yank and it hard to double check

647
00:45:39.719 --> 00:45:45.000
because if someone else comes up behind
me, yeah, I might just be

648
00:45:45.119 --> 00:45:47.039
forming a line for no reason if
there is no one in there. Did

649
00:45:47.079 --> 00:45:53.440
you consider knocking? YEA, So
it was. I think we were in

650
00:45:53.519 --> 00:45:57.440
a tunnel at that point, so
it was loud enough where I couldn't really

651
00:45:57.679 --> 00:46:00.199
knock it. No. In my
head, I'm like, it's too out

652
00:46:00.199 --> 00:46:01.519
for me to knock. They're not
going to hear that. So I did

653
00:46:01.559 --> 00:46:05.800
eventually just knock and they're like hello. I was like, there we go.

654
00:46:07.480 --> 00:46:09.280
What do you say? Hold on
a second first? What do you

655
00:46:09.400 --> 00:46:15.480
say when you get the like response
my girlfriend and I don't have an answer

656
00:46:15.559 --> 00:46:19.599
to yeah, yeah? Is that
not sure? What to do? Almost

657
00:46:19.679 --> 00:46:22.280
I'm here, that's right? What
do you do? On both ends of

658
00:46:22.360 --> 00:46:24.880
it when somebody knocks? Do you
I think for me, it's just like

659
00:46:25.199 --> 00:46:29.440
sorry, occupied right, Like is
a is a gentle response? Right?

660
00:46:30.079 --> 00:46:31.800
But on the other end of it, do you just not answer or do

661
00:46:31.880 --> 00:46:38.519
you just like you like I'll be
waiting watching you my my, uh my

662
00:46:39.480 --> 00:46:45.639
instinctual response when I'm in there is
beer right out. Oh that's my sibling.

663
00:46:45.800 --> 00:46:47.800
I lived in a small ish house
when I was young with many siblings,

664
00:46:47.840 --> 00:46:51.119
so that was it was like beer
it out, Like, give me

665
00:46:51.199 --> 00:46:53.960
a fucking second. They're in there
a bit. I think what I said

666
00:46:54.400 --> 00:47:00.360
they said, uh hello, I
think I just said sorry, and then

667
00:47:00.360 --> 00:47:12.000
I went back to sit down and
sorry and yeah. It's like because I

668
00:47:12.079 --> 00:47:14.239
do feel bad that I disturbed them. I was like, I wouldn't want

669
00:47:14.280 --> 00:47:15.880
someone annoying me when I'm okay,
you know, do whatever and there but

670
00:47:16.639 --> 00:47:20.519
uh, they left. They were
very nice. They held the door for

671
00:47:20.639 --> 00:47:23.280
me, you know, So I
went in Finally, I will say,

672
00:47:23.360 --> 00:47:29.320
it's probably the worst I walked into
in in many years. And they knew

673
00:47:29.360 --> 00:47:32.880
it. They knew that they were
handing off there they I could sense it

674
00:47:32.960 --> 00:47:36.559
on them, they knew they they
felt a bit of shames, like,

675
00:47:36.599 --> 00:47:38.159
hey, it happens to all of
us. I'll brave it. Then,

676
00:47:38.360 --> 00:47:45.559
once inside, though, I was
faced with a dilemma because I what I

677
00:47:45.719 --> 00:47:50.719
needed to do was not going to
be that bad. However, whoever comes

678
00:47:50.880 --> 00:47:53.719
next, I could experience what they
had left behind and assume it's me,

679
00:47:53.880 --> 00:47:58.920
and by and large, I don't
care that much like what people think I

680
00:47:59.000 --> 00:48:01.000
didn't there. However, it's a
train. Who's to say that the guy

681
00:48:01.079 --> 00:48:04.760
behind me is not like in the
row next to me when we both sit

682
00:48:04.840 --> 00:48:07.960
back down. So at that point
I'm weighing my options. I'm like,

683
00:48:08.840 --> 00:48:14.760
do I wait this out to stop
being this bad? So that's exactly what

684
00:48:14.880 --> 00:48:17.719
the person before you did thought,
That's why they were in there. Maybe

685
00:48:17.719 --> 00:48:22.480
it was a person before them,
but like to that point, if I

686
00:48:22.639 --> 00:48:24.639
left too early, the person behind
them might have the same thing. That's

687
00:48:24.679 --> 00:48:29.960
just where domino effect and it sucks
doubly at a train because those aren't well

688
00:48:30.000 --> 00:48:32.639
ventilated, so it's like double the
way time. And also again going back

689
00:48:32.639 --> 00:48:36.440
to the die bar thing, it's
like I think of Columbus Cafe Jake in

690
00:48:36.639 --> 00:48:39.239
North Beach in San Francisco. It's
like one of those bathrooms. It's actually

691
00:48:39.280 --> 00:48:45.599
the bathroom. It's for a dive
bar bathroom. It's fairly clean, but

692
00:48:45.760 --> 00:48:49.599
yeah it's graffiti. Did you go
to there? If any they do?

693
00:48:49.760 --> 00:48:52.440
They did the poker chip like buy
one get one Wednesday, it was North

694
00:48:52.480 --> 00:48:58.079
Beach problem. They it was a
most of the time it was metal music

695
00:48:58.119 --> 00:49:00.800
playing while we played pool, and
these days was chip night or no sorry,

696
00:49:00.920 --> 00:49:02.639
yeah, chip night. So you
buy a drink, they give you

697
00:49:02.679 --> 00:49:06.440
a poker chip. That's a free
drink. Your next one is by one

698
00:49:06.519 --> 00:49:12.519
get one. But the bar was
always the bathroom rather was always clean for

699
00:49:12.639 --> 00:49:15.440
a dive bar. But yeah,
it was single occupancy. And then when

700
00:49:15.480 --> 00:49:22.119
you leave the bathroom you are at
the pool table. So I always remember

701
00:49:22.199 --> 00:49:28.880
thinking I have to get back to
my seat quickly because if there is a

702
00:49:28.960 --> 00:49:31.400
line, I don't want them to
really remember my face. And I also

703
00:49:31.760 --> 00:49:35.360
but it's a small enough bar where
they're going to and this is just these

704
00:49:35.400 --> 00:49:38.000
are just the options I'm weighing in
my head when I'm leaving a bathroom in

705
00:49:38.079 --> 00:49:44.119
a die bar, And I remember
Desmonds was always fairly nice because it actually

706
00:49:44.199 --> 00:49:47.039
was kind of this tiny little cramp
corridor you left into before you came into

707
00:49:47.039 --> 00:49:50.920
the main bar. But a lot
of times in die bars like Columbus Cafe,

708
00:49:51.000 --> 00:49:52.119
it's just you're right in the thick
of it when you open the door.

709
00:49:52.239 --> 00:49:55.239
And it reminded me the train,
and I'm always these are the little

710
00:49:55.920 --> 00:50:00.880
these are the these are where my
real stress comes from. Now, yes,

711
00:50:00.159 --> 00:50:02.880
social situations, my life could be
worse. These are the things that

712
00:50:02.960 --> 00:50:07.880
trust me out. Does you practice
in Spanish conjugating verbs on the toilet and

713
00:50:07.960 --> 00:50:14.639
the train that you're like, man, maybe the play is to slide the

714
00:50:14.760 --> 00:50:19.360
thing halfway between the red and green
so that somebody has the yank on the

715
00:50:19.440 --> 00:50:22.840
door, and then you can kind
of like know somebody's waiting for you,

716
00:50:23.039 --> 00:50:28.360
and then you can start having a
kind of slightly too loud conversation to yourself

717
00:50:28.440 --> 00:50:30.679
that's like, oh, man,
I can't believe the person in here before

718
00:50:30.800 --> 00:50:37.000
me left to such a stinker.
Just woo man. And then when you

719
00:50:37.079 --> 00:50:42.079
walk out, you have to sell
it to Yeah, someone did a number

720
00:50:42.119 --> 00:50:45.400
in that place. That's some business
in there. I remember it. But

721
00:50:45.519 --> 00:50:50.280
at certain points, like there's something
noble in letting the next person think it

722
00:50:50.400 --> 00:50:52.880
was you. Yeah, taking them
fall for it, you know what,

723
00:50:53.239 --> 00:50:57.159
give that other person a break for
the day. Yeah, have fun person

724
00:50:57.239 --> 00:51:00.239
front of them. Yeah, that's
right, you're you absorb that. It's

725
00:51:00.280 --> 00:51:07.719
like, that's right, it's very
chivalrous. Just I farted in the elevator.

726
00:51:07.679 --> 00:51:10.599
I did it. I was the
one. Yeah, he's so he's

727
00:51:10.639 --> 00:51:15.760
so bold. Yeah, there's been
a few times when it's been bad enough

728
00:51:15.800 --> 00:51:19.360
from like give it a bit.
But even that, though, that sounds

729
00:51:19.400 --> 00:51:23.239
like it's me saying, wait,
you said that the strangers. Yes,

730
00:51:23.320 --> 00:51:27.719
a couple times, give it a
bit, yep, like like you I

731
00:51:27.760 --> 00:51:30.320
can't let you in there. Yeah, not because the things I did.

732
00:51:30.559 --> 00:51:36.719
Actually, yeah, you're right.
I don't know why I do that.

733
00:51:36.880 --> 00:51:38.079
I have done that before, though, and it was on it's always on

734
00:51:38.159 --> 00:51:43.960
metro trains. Those things are it's
entreatment. I uh, they just get

735
00:51:44.000 --> 00:51:46.039
you in there. They want you
to poop. I are you, uh,

736
00:51:46.480 --> 00:51:53.320
what are you eating? I think
it's like I don't know what a

737
00:51:53.400 --> 00:51:58.400
lot of veggies. Okay, good
because you're you're you're moving, you're moving

738
00:51:58.480 --> 00:52:01.920
business. You're you're good baby.
Yeah, yeah, that's right, all

739
00:52:01.960 --> 00:52:05.559
the time. A lot of fiber. I love it. That's great.

740
00:52:05.960 --> 00:52:08.960
I feel like I could my body
recognizes when I'm in a public space and

741
00:52:09.000 --> 00:52:15.039
it's like, got it understood,
we are shutting down the transportation hub is

742
00:52:15.280 --> 00:52:19.440
a clues. Oh, it's just
this hula hoop of gases that goes into

743
00:52:19.480 --> 00:52:21.920
my mouth, out my butt and
then in front of me and my tours.

744
00:52:22.000 --> 00:52:27.000
It's just continually cycling. Doesn't care
if I'm at desmondser what are you

745
00:52:27.119 --> 00:52:34.719
describing? Breathing in your own farts
again? Yeah, that's what I'm describing.

746
00:52:34.760 --> 00:52:36.760
That's not what I'm meant to describe, though, I don't know what

747
00:52:36.880 --> 00:52:40.400
it is. It's just I'm always
open for business and right, okay,

748
00:52:42.079 --> 00:52:45.400
but it's always circulating. Yeah,
Jake, you were saying, I was

749
00:52:45.440 --> 00:52:50.800
gonna say, do you guys ever
witness or pay attention to the state of

750
00:52:50.960 --> 00:52:54.800
airplane bathroom over the course of a
long flight where you get in assume it's

751
00:52:54.800 --> 00:52:59.480
going to be bad, and then
every time you get in there it's worse

752
00:52:59.519 --> 00:53:01.719
and worse, and and then by
the end, like trash is sticking out

753
00:53:01.760 --> 00:53:07.119
of the trash can and like no
one's cleaned the sink, even though there's

754
00:53:07.119 --> 00:53:10.159
always a sign that says please wipe
down the sink. And it's just it's

755
00:53:12.400 --> 00:53:15.760
it's rough. I frontload my bathroom
usage on long flights, and then I'm

756
00:53:15.800 --> 00:53:20.119
like, I'm gonna hold this well. I feel like they keep the trash

757
00:53:20.199 --> 00:53:27.599
can through that really strongly. That's
that really really pushed it into what it

758
00:53:27.760 --> 00:53:30.599
was. The hinge is like not
greased at all. I feel like they

759
00:53:30.719 --> 00:53:36.000
keep that small so you don't put
bigger like cups you bring on. However,

760
00:53:36.159 --> 00:53:38.760
to your point, over the course
of eight hours, that's not enough

761
00:53:38.760 --> 00:53:45.400
for all the toilet paper people or
hand towels, etc. It's not fun.

762
00:53:45.239 --> 00:53:47.960
It's a it's a it's a great
little like uh you know, it's

763
00:53:47.960 --> 00:53:55.400
a great little ecosystem or or u
uh microcosm for humanity there like ken ken

764
00:53:55.639 --> 00:54:00.639
on an eight hour flight, we
figure this out as humanity, how would

765
00:54:00.679 --> 00:54:04.559
you keep this one room? And
it's like, no, I'm not optimistic.

766
00:54:04.719 --> 00:54:07.719
Yeah yeah, I'm no, I'm
gonna do my business. I'm gonna

767
00:54:07.000 --> 00:54:09.519
destroy it. I don't care.
I don't care what anybody has to deal

768
00:54:09.519 --> 00:54:13.679
with after this, I'm done.
To the next guy, I'm gonna be

769
00:54:13.719 --> 00:54:15.800
like, oh, I'd wait a
minute, and then do you think it'd

770
00:54:15.800 --> 00:54:19.000
be weird if you put your hand
up for a high five as you're coming

771
00:54:19.039 --> 00:54:22.159
out? Would you? All right, Mike Dragon? Would you? Would

772
00:54:22.159 --> 00:54:28.519
you? Would you slap it?
No? I can't imagine a scenario where

773
00:54:30.880 --> 00:54:34.440
no, I really wouldn't. But
now I'm thinking about like leaving a bath

774
00:54:34.480 --> 00:54:36.880
and being like, get after it, buddy, and then filing him and

775
00:54:36.920 --> 00:54:40.559
then getting back to my seat.
All right, fist bum I'd probably do

776
00:54:40.639 --> 00:54:46.440
that, okay, just like who
just like one of those Yeah, what's

777
00:54:46.480 --> 00:54:50.000
the weirdest phrase? You could say
them like beggars can't be choosers, you

778
00:54:50.039 --> 00:54:52.840
know, Am I right? Buddy? You win, somebody lose them,

779
00:54:52.920 --> 00:55:00.960
you know, like a mile low
club? Am I right? I think

780
00:55:01.039 --> 00:55:06.599
that would be my favorite. Is
you're flying to Rome and you are getting

781
00:55:06.639 --> 00:55:08.639
ready. They're like, please go
to the bathroom one last time to be

782
00:55:08.800 --> 00:55:12.639
before we get our descent, and
you leave the bathroom and you whisper like

783
00:55:12.679 --> 00:55:16.079
when in Rome, you know,
and sit back down and then just vomit

784
00:55:16.360 --> 00:55:20.000
into the sink and you're like,
I heard that's what they do here.

785
00:55:20.400 --> 00:55:22.920
Yeah, puke like the Romans do. I don't have a good transition.

786
00:55:23.239 --> 00:55:25.679
But do you guys want to talk
about video games? Now? Sure?

787
00:55:25.880 --> 00:55:30.559
Yeah? It cool? Yeah,
Dan, I have firmly convinced you to

788
00:55:30.639 --> 00:55:32.559
start trying out more wines, and
I think First Leaf, which we've both

789
00:55:32.599 --> 00:55:36.360
been loving as well as Mary,
who's not here right now, has helped

790
00:55:36.440 --> 00:55:38.800
a lot. Yes, I am
a wine man now, but when I

791
00:55:38.920 --> 00:55:42.840
started, I was but a t
ball player. You set the ball on

792
00:55:43.000 --> 00:55:45.880
the stand for me to become a
wine man. But you know who gave

793
00:55:45.960 --> 00:55:47.199
me a bat and taught me how
to hit it out of the park and

794
00:55:47.440 --> 00:55:52.280
make it to the major leagues of
winemen is First Leave. They've taught me

795
00:55:52.360 --> 00:55:55.039
so much, Mike, far more
than you ever could. What kind of

796
00:55:55.079 --> 00:56:00.840
wines you been trying with them?
Well, Cabernet, sauvignons, no noirs,

797
00:56:01.159 --> 00:56:05.840
a selection of fine wines. They've
all been fine in my opinion.

798
00:56:06.199 --> 00:56:08.679
If I'm too opined on these fine
wines, I look, they're all very

799
00:56:08.719 --> 00:56:13.000
good. I don't have the vocabulary
you do yet, but I taste them

800
00:56:13.039 --> 00:56:15.440
all. I drink them all.
First Leaf does a great job of sending

801
00:56:15.519 --> 00:56:20.320
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802
00:56:20.360 --> 00:56:22.440
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815
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818
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819
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821
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if Annie, normally I would give
our guest carte blanche to kick off the

842
00:58:59.599 --> 00:59:01.840
video game section. However, you
and I were talking earlier today. I

843
00:59:01.920 --> 00:59:07.679
think both you and I are excited
to hear what Jake saw of Balder's Gate

844
00:59:07.800 --> 00:59:10.400
three in Belgium. Obviously, Jake, you're not going to spoil anything.

845
00:59:10.760 --> 00:59:15.800
However, just to set the scene
quick for those who don't know, Larian

846
00:59:15.880 --> 00:59:21.239
Studios started releasing Balder's Gate three in
early access I think two years ago at

847
00:59:21.280 --> 00:59:24.039
this point, which was twenty one, I think an anomaly for them,

848
00:59:24.480 --> 00:59:29.199
but coming off of Divinity Original Sin
two, they're very you know, kind

849
00:59:29.239 --> 00:59:31.239
of note I don't know if traditionals
right word, but old school, like,

850
00:59:31.440 --> 00:59:35.280
we're going to release these CRPGs in
full, You're gonna have them,

851
00:59:35.360 --> 00:59:40.000
you can dive in for like two
months straight, get to know every aspect

852
00:59:40.039 --> 00:59:45.280
of this game, etc. So
early access was a bit of a departure

853
00:59:45.320 --> 00:59:47.320
for them, but also the fact
that they were doing Balder's Gate three,

854
00:59:49.159 --> 00:59:52.079
a match made in Heaven in my
opinion and a lot of people's opinion,

855
00:59:52.199 --> 00:59:54.159
but it was still like, oh, Larion's taking on this other ip.

856
00:59:54.920 --> 00:59:59.320
So now, from what I understand, when you went to Belgium, you

857
00:59:59.480 --> 01:00:02.639
played like their final hands on preview
before they release. And their release again,

858
01:00:02.679 --> 01:00:07.039
I mentioned this earlier was gonna be
late August. They bumped it up

859
01:00:07.119 --> 01:00:12.199
to August third on PC, bumped
it back to Starfield's release date on PS

860
01:00:12.320 --> 01:00:19.360
five. So I'm particularly excited because
I think perennially, August is a dead

861
01:00:19.440 --> 01:00:23.360
month just in general, even outside
of video games, So it strikes me

862
01:00:23.480 --> 01:00:29.400
as the perfect time to release a
game that I think is I would hope

863
01:00:29.559 --> 01:00:31.639
is best when you can just kind
of immerse yourself in it, get absorbed

864
01:00:31.639 --> 01:00:37.360
in it. But I'm curious what
you saw because I'm can't wait to play

865
01:00:37.400 --> 01:00:40.679
that game. I'm looking forward to
it. So what are your thoughts so

866
01:00:40.800 --> 01:00:44.280
far? Yeah, I mean so, I guess just to set the stage,

867
01:00:44.320 --> 01:00:46.360
so I played one point note,
but I still only played the first

868
01:00:46.400 --> 01:00:52.280
act, which is currently available,
so a lot of the story beats and

869
01:00:52.480 --> 01:00:58.440
stuff I think people have already seen. However, there's they added a new

870
01:00:58.559 --> 01:01:00.800
race, the drift Or. They
added two new race, is Half Working

871
01:01:00.960 --> 01:01:06.000
dragon Born, and they added new
origin stories which actually don't even think you

872
01:01:06.039 --> 01:01:08.360
could play the origin stories quite yet, which are basically pre made characters that

873
01:01:08.480 --> 01:01:12.880
you can play through the story in, but they added a couple of those.

874
01:01:15.280 --> 01:01:19.679
So the game, despite being the
first act, still felt very fresh

875
01:01:19.800 --> 01:01:23.800
to me because I played most of
Act one back in twenty twenty one and

876
01:01:23.960 --> 01:01:25.800
enjoyed it a lot. But I
got to a point where I was like,

877
01:01:25.800 --> 01:01:29.000
I just want to wait for the
full release because I know this is

878
01:01:29.039 --> 01:01:30.480
going to be good, and I
don't want to just get to a cliffhanger

879
01:01:30.519 --> 01:01:35.960
and have to wait a couple of
years for the final release. But yeah,

880
01:01:36.000 --> 01:01:38.400
I mean we mentioned we didn't want
to spoil anything, but I honestly

881
01:01:38.559 --> 01:01:42.920
think that it would be hard to
spoil anyway, even if I played beyond

882
01:01:43.000 --> 01:01:47.719
that, because the amount of narrative
permutations that can happen as you are playing

883
01:01:47.800 --> 01:01:52.679
through this game seem absurd. It
seems like it seems like they thought of

884
01:01:52.760 --> 01:01:59.360
everything in a way like some of
the scenes they were describing that they recorded

885
01:01:59.559 --> 01:02:04.119
would probably won't people probably won't even
see, but they need to be there

886
01:02:04.159 --> 01:02:08.000
in order to fulfill that sort of
D and D fantasy where anything could potentially

887
01:02:08.079 --> 01:02:14.719
happen. But yeah, I mean
high level. I walked away super impressed.

888
01:02:14.920 --> 01:02:19.599
I'm very excited. I think the
thing that Dan and I talked about

889
01:02:19.679 --> 01:02:22.239
that we were both pretty excited for
is that this game seems really funny,

890
01:02:23.719 --> 01:02:28.920
and that's something that I think is
pretty key to D and D. You

891
01:02:29.000 --> 01:02:30.880
know, whether you whether it's on
purpose or not, like D and D

892
01:02:31.039 --> 01:02:35.320
tends to be pretty funny, and
it seems to really capture that spirit.

893
01:02:35.880 --> 01:02:38.199
And Danny even mentioned, you know, he was like, I don't really

894
01:02:38.280 --> 01:02:42.760
think games are that funny, but
I think this is funny, and I

895
01:02:42.840 --> 01:02:45.719
think a lot of it is just
because they've really thought of everything and all

896
01:02:45.760 --> 01:02:50.639
of the funny situations that you find
yourself in. It's not because the game

897
01:02:50.840 --> 01:02:53.679
told you you have to do this. It's because you made some really bad

898
01:02:53.760 --> 01:02:59.079
decision and you ended up in a
dumb spot. Like one thing they were

899
01:02:59.119 --> 01:03:01.880
showing off there. They were showing
off some of the areas in Balder's Gate,

900
01:03:01.920 --> 01:03:07.199
which is the city obviously. Um
and I won't say too much because

901
01:03:07.199 --> 01:03:09.840
I don't want to spoil the situation, but basically it ended with the character

902
01:03:09.880 --> 01:03:14.880
turning into a wheel of cheese,
and hypothetically you could play through the rest

903
01:03:14.880 --> 01:03:17.320
of the game as a wheel of
cheese and your only ability is to fart

904
01:03:17.440 --> 01:03:23.599
cheese smells or something like that.
So yeah, I'm super optimistic. It

905
01:03:24.000 --> 01:03:32.119
seems very big, and yeah there's
a lot to unpack, but I'm very

906
01:03:32.199 --> 01:03:38.199
positive on it, very excited to
play more. I think one point zero

907
01:03:38.320 --> 01:03:42.559
is looking pretty solid too. I
mean I played, like I said,

908
01:03:42.559 --> 01:03:46.280
I played twenty twenty one release and
it was buggies all hell. I didn't

909
01:03:46.320 --> 01:03:50.480
see a lot of bugs when I
was playing. They were like, you

910
01:03:50.559 --> 01:03:52.679
know, little a little like I
don't even want to say polish things because

911
01:03:52.719 --> 01:03:58.360
the game is so massive, but
like obviously you know the cut scenes don't

912
01:03:58.480 --> 01:04:02.360
look as good or polished is something
you know, uncharted or whatever. But

913
01:04:02.599 --> 01:04:09.840
that's just because there's like a million
different outcomes that can happen depending on your

914
01:04:09.920 --> 01:04:15.440
choices. Did you is it?
I also played the twenty twenty one early

915
01:04:15.480 --> 01:04:21.199
access Act one. I'm struggling to
remember whether is it like Divinity two where

916
01:04:21.280 --> 01:04:27.280
you can create a character or run
with a preset protagonist. Yeah, so

917
01:04:27.440 --> 01:04:31.639
there's I think there's like eight or
nine preset protagonist. All of those characters,

918
01:04:31.679 --> 01:04:34.159
I believe, except for one,
you can also meet in the game

919
01:04:35.079 --> 01:04:40.880
and they can be part of your
party. But you can just create a

920
01:04:40.960 --> 01:04:45.280
character, and I think there's like
there's like thirteen races, twelve classes.

921
01:04:45.840 --> 01:04:50.920
There's uh like character backgrounds, you
can choose, your stats, choose.

922
01:04:51.280 --> 01:04:57.719
I think there's like forty seven subclasses
too. So it's it's it's ridiculous.

923
01:04:57.760 --> 01:05:00.159
It seems like an endless RPG.
I mean, Divinity was kind of in

924
01:05:00.280 --> 01:05:04.000
that same vein too, right,
where it was like you've got all these

925
01:05:04.039 --> 01:05:08.400
origin stories, these classes, but
it really seems like they've doubled down on

926
01:05:08.960 --> 01:05:15.119
that to the point of almost absurdity, Like I could see myself playing this

927
01:05:15.320 --> 01:05:20.719
game with multiple characters a bunch,
just because the possibilities are endless. Like

928
01:05:20.840 --> 01:05:27.639
I'm excited for Starfield in many ways, but I think narratively what Larryan is

929
01:05:27.679 --> 01:05:31.159
doing is probably going to be a
lot more interesting because they have co op

930
01:05:31.239 --> 01:05:36.960
as well, and you could do
I loved Original Sin too. I loved

931
01:05:38.000 --> 01:05:41.159
even more once I played four player
co op with people and we were all

932
01:05:41.280 --> 01:05:45.440
kind of bouncing up. It was
improv and it was the amount of leeway

933
01:05:45.559 --> 01:05:51.440
that Larryon gave you to make these
rash decisions and then to allow that second

934
01:05:51.480 --> 01:05:55.360
person to kind of reel that person
back in that third person to make things

935
01:05:55.400 --> 01:06:00.800
even wilder was pretty staggering. Like
you're sure you bump up against the boundaries

936
01:06:00.800 --> 01:06:03.159
every once in a while because they
can only do so much. But that's

937
01:06:03.239 --> 01:06:06.280
kind of the fun, and that's
what I'm excited for Balder's Gate three is

938
01:06:08.239 --> 01:06:11.480
finding those boundaries and poking at the
seams. Yeah, well, I mean

939
01:06:12.599 --> 01:06:17.039
kind of point um. Before we
had time to sit down and play,

940
01:06:17.079 --> 01:06:23.199
it's then the game director did a
walk through that and he's like, Okay,

941
01:06:23.199 --> 01:06:24.920
here's what we're gonna try to do. We're gonna do this question,

942
01:06:24.920 --> 01:06:27.920
and this question and this quest.
He fucked up every step of the way.

943
01:06:28.199 --> 01:06:30.960
He messed up all the roles,
He put characters in the wrong places,

944
01:06:31.039 --> 01:06:35.519
some people died, like it was
a disaster, but it was impressive

945
01:06:35.639 --> 01:06:41.320
because he navigated out of every single
one of those situations. And it was

946
01:06:41.840 --> 01:06:45.920
just as if not more entertaining,
just watching him react to all these like

947
01:06:45.000 --> 01:06:48.920
he was trying to do a bank
heist at one point and just absolutely like

948
01:06:49.320 --> 01:06:51.800
fuck or no, she's gonna break
out of prison, and just every step

949
01:06:51.840 --> 01:06:57.480
of the way kept messing up,
and like it still worked just because he

950
01:06:57.679 --> 01:07:00.280
was able to, uh, like
you saying, push it those boundaries and

951
01:07:00.400 --> 01:07:03.079
figure out cracks in the wall where
he's able to fit through. It was

952
01:07:04.639 --> 01:07:08.400
like, like I said, I
think that's more impressive than like, you

953
01:07:08.519 --> 01:07:13.760
know, a curated thirty minute demo
where everything happens is it's supposed to.

954
01:07:14.760 --> 01:07:18.719
We were we were playing the Early
Access very recently, like two weeks ago

955
01:07:20.000 --> 01:07:25.880
co op on a stream, and
I think my favorite part of it was

956
01:07:26.039 --> 01:07:29.679
I was talking to an MPC and
the person I was playing with. You

957
01:07:29.719 --> 01:07:30.719
know, when you're talking to an
MPC, you kind of you get this

958
01:07:30.800 --> 01:07:35.000
back and forth camera and the whole
thing, and it's showing the person talking

959
01:07:35.119 --> 01:07:39.320
and I just see the person playing
co op with jump into frame with an

960
01:07:39.400 --> 01:07:45.880
ass and just it started attacking them. And then that NPC died. It

961
01:07:45.000 --> 01:07:47.840
was one of the player characters that
you or one of the characters you could

962
01:07:47.840 --> 01:07:50.639
meet companion characters. Yeah, yeah, and that player. I think they

963
01:07:50.679 --> 01:07:56.039
said they actually changed this recently,
but that character died and his spirit came

964
01:07:56.079 --> 01:08:00.559
out and it was like the narratively
it was like this. It's like,

965
01:08:00.639 --> 01:08:02.840
oh, you've triggered this uh I
must be dead. You've triggered this alarm.

966
01:08:03.079 --> 01:08:05.639
I'm gonna give you a chance to
bring me back because I'm important for

967
01:08:05.719 --> 01:08:10.880
reasons you really don't know right now. And like here's this whole mechanic of

968
01:08:11.000 --> 01:08:13.199
how you could bring me back.
You've got to take this book out and

969
01:08:13.239 --> 01:08:15.760
it's got three pieces of yarn.
You've got to take the blue one and

970
01:08:15.840 --> 01:08:17.840
unwind it this way. Then you're
gonna summon a demon. And we like

971
01:08:18.199 --> 01:08:21.800
it was it was hilarious because it
was like, Okay, clearly this was

972
01:08:21.840 --> 01:08:26.800
an important NBC. They're not just
gonna be like reload your save, but

973
01:08:26.920 --> 01:08:30.600
it's a fun mechanic and we eventually
we just walked away and we're like yeah,

974
01:08:30.720 --> 01:08:32.560
yeah. But it was like,
you know, that's the kind of

975
01:08:32.680 --> 01:08:38.239
humor I like. That is a
little knowing to the player too, It's

976
01:08:38.279 --> 01:08:40.560
like, um, okay, you
know what you're doing, like you know

977
01:08:40.680 --> 01:08:43.039
how you got here, you and
we know what you want. We want

978
01:08:43.079 --> 01:08:45.680
to make the dumb decisions too.
We want to see the game. We

979
01:08:45.800 --> 01:08:47.479
know you want to see the game
break, and we're gonna try and account

980
01:08:47.520 --> 01:08:51.000
for as many you know, I
think, like you said, break the

981
01:08:51.079 --> 01:08:55.560
seams of this thing that's possible,
which is which is very fun. Like,

982
01:08:55.760 --> 01:09:00.359
um, I think I think that
game will come down to a lot

983
01:09:00.560 --> 01:09:05.680
of for me from what I've seen
before, how it wraps up in the

984
01:09:05.840 --> 01:09:10.039
end, because your boy, you're
gonna have a lot of threads going and

985
01:09:10.439 --> 01:09:13.880
a lot of ways. And I
love that stuff. But I feel like

986
01:09:13.960 --> 01:09:16.720
I've been burned enough in the past
with cards like just don't give me the

987
01:09:16.800 --> 01:09:21.479
slide show of like this character went
on to college, this character you know

988
01:09:23.079 --> 01:09:26.720
did this. I really hope it
wraps up in a meaningful way with the

989
01:09:26.840 --> 01:09:31.560
choices you made along the way and
not just funneling you back in towards the

990
01:09:31.840 --> 01:09:36.880
end into one or two story beats, but lets you kind of branch out.

991
01:09:36.920 --> 01:09:41.720
So so far what I've seen seems
amazing. I think they've been pretty

992
01:09:41.880 --> 01:09:47.520
good about their communication. You know, they just had that not press conference.

993
01:09:47.560 --> 01:09:50.840
They were all just sat there like
Q and A, Yeah, who

994
01:09:50.960 --> 01:09:56.760
what do you play as? So
I played as one of the origin characters

995
01:09:56.840 --> 01:10:00.680
because they recommended, if you had
already played balls Gate, should play as

996
01:10:00.840 --> 01:10:05.920
the Dark Urge or something. Yeah, And basically because at the start of

997
01:10:05.960 --> 01:10:10.319
ball is getting no matter who you
pick, your character forgets everything, as

998
01:10:10.520 --> 01:10:15.319
is every jar or every RPG ever
made, so your characters don't know anything.

999
01:10:15.359 --> 01:10:18.119
But with a Dark Urge, you
are like, I guess, kind

1000
01:10:18.159 --> 01:10:23.520
of Dexter from the show Dexter,
where you just have the urge to kill

1001
01:10:23.600 --> 01:10:29.079
things and it's kind of unexplainable,
but it seems it's because you are a

1002
01:10:29.159 --> 01:10:32.920
serial killer before all of this happened. But you can either fight that urge

1003
01:10:33.000 --> 01:10:38.319
or give into that urge. I
didn't get to this point, but they

1004
01:10:38.399 --> 01:10:42.279
like sent over some b roll that
I was looking through, and like there's

1005
01:10:42.279 --> 01:10:45.399
a scene where you just fucking kick
a squirrel because you're dark Urge is like,

1006
01:10:45.479 --> 01:10:48.479
yeah, you gotta kill that thing, and just so much blood flies

1007
01:10:48.479 --> 01:10:50.600
out and you kick the squirrel and
it hits a tree and it's just like

1008
01:10:51.159 --> 01:10:55.960
and and that your companion is like, wow, you really showed that squirrel

1009
01:10:56.399 --> 01:11:01.319
whose boss. But it seems cruelty
animals, right, yeah, so it

1010
01:11:01.840 --> 01:11:04.720
is. The dark Urge is also
kind of like a cipher where you can

1011
01:11:04.800 --> 01:11:09.840
put any other class into it,
right, yeah, so I believe.

1012
01:11:10.039 --> 01:11:13.119
So I picked the dragon born class. I think you can pick any class

1013
01:11:13.319 --> 01:11:16.640
or race for that. But I
picked the dragon Barn because that was also

1014
01:11:16.880 --> 01:11:20.800
new. And then I think cool
and they look cool. I don't remember

1015
01:11:20.840 --> 01:11:24.199
what class I did. I think
I did. I think I did,

1016
01:11:24.239 --> 01:11:28.399
like a sourcer or something like that. But but that was cool because it

1017
01:11:28.520 --> 01:11:32.319
just added that extra layer of context
where everything I did, almost everything I

1018
01:11:32.399 --> 01:11:34.800
did, that voice would show up
every now and then and be like,

1019
01:11:34.920 --> 01:11:39.600
hey, do this, and then
sometimes I do it and sometimes I wouldn't.

1020
01:11:40.399 --> 01:11:45.319
And they say like it's got its
own story that you know develops as

1021
01:11:45.399 --> 01:11:49.079
you play, and like there are
answer to answers to those questions, which

1022
01:11:49.399 --> 01:11:54.119
I think is pretty interesting. I
was talking to one of the developers.

1023
01:11:54.319 --> 01:11:56.600
I believe his name is Adam Smith. He's the lead writer, and he

1024
01:11:56.680 --> 01:12:00.000
was saying that, or I was
saying that, Like that has been done

1025
01:12:00.039 --> 01:12:02.720
in video games so much, where
there's that voice in your head that's telling

1026
01:12:02.760 --> 01:12:06.640
you to do things like Batman did
that with the Joker. I don't remember

1027
01:12:06.640 --> 01:12:12.239
which Batman game, Arkham City or
something like that, Disco, Elysium,

1028
01:12:12.680 --> 01:12:15.000
disco handling, that kind of stuff. Yeah, it had that to some

1029
01:12:15.159 --> 01:12:21.279
extent. But it's interesting in this
situation because you can just say fuck off

1030
01:12:21.439 --> 01:12:26.479
and ignore it and do what you
want. And I think that'll make for

1031
01:12:26.560 --> 01:12:30.560
some really interesting situations. I also
imagine it's a nightmare to write, Like

1032
01:12:30.680 --> 01:12:32.760
I don't know, I mean this
game in general, I imagine as a

1033
01:12:32.840 --> 01:12:36.880
nightmare to right. I'm curious to
see, like how it holds up over

1034
01:12:36.960 --> 01:12:40.399
the course of the game, and
like to your point, like I wonder,

1035
01:12:40.760 --> 01:12:44.279
I wonder how those threads tie together
or don't tie together at the end.

1036
01:12:45.239 --> 01:12:47.119
Yeah, that'll be really curious.
Like, you know, will it

1037
01:12:47.239 --> 01:12:51.119
matter will you get resolution on your
companions because there are a lot of them

1038
01:12:53.840 --> 01:12:57.199
quests you did or did not do
right, How influential will those be in

1039
01:12:57.399 --> 01:13:02.520
the grand story. I don't know. I feel like that's a little TBD,

1040
01:13:02.600 --> 01:13:08.319
because I feel like we've seen a
lot of the early stuff from from

1041
01:13:08.319 --> 01:13:13.039
the early access, and we've seen
a lot of the promise of the exploration

1042
01:13:13.159 --> 01:13:15.960
of your character, and you know, like, hey, here's the choices

1043
01:13:15.000 --> 01:13:19.840
you can make, and here's how
we're adapting five fifth Edition rules into the

1044
01:13:19.960 --> 01:13:23.439
game, and you know, we
want to give player agency and all of

1045
01:13:23.479 --> 01:13:27.640
those things. So very curious though, like it's it's also up there with

1046
01:13:27.840 --> 01:13:31.279
me. I think I share the
sentiment of I'm excited for Starfield, but

1047
01:13:31.439 --> 01:13:36.359
I think I think Starfield feels a
little bit more of a known quantity to

1048
01:13:36.479 --> 01:13:43.840
me now and boulders Gate three feels
like, I don't know a big box

1049
01:13:43.920 --> 01:13:46.319
of potential a little bit more than
Starfield does, which is kind of odd

1050
01:13:46.319 --> 01:13:49.640
to say, because I feel like
they're they're literally pitching the writing big box

1051
01:13:49.680 --> 01:13:54.079
of potential on Starfield. But something
about boulders Gate three, I love a

1052
01:13:54.119 --> 01:14:00.640
strong narrative, like I love,
you know, really densely populated worlds,

1053
01:14:00.680 --> 01:14:03.600
and you know, I feel like
Balder's Gate three seems to have that,

1054
01:14:03.680 --> 01:14:09.479
and Larion has my trust in fleshing
out some of that. They've proven themselves

1055
01:14:09.600 --> 01:14:14.199
enough, and it's been a long
time since we had a proper D and

1056
01:14:14.319 --> 01:14:17.920
D game. Yeah, license D
and D game. Yeah, it's funny.

1057
01:14:17.960 --> 01:14:23.279
I mean, even like speaking of
CRPGs, if that's the catch all

1058
01:14:23.439 --> 01:14:30.159
term I should be using, it's
the more games I'm playing throughout twenty twenty

1059
01:14:30.199 --> 01:14:33.079
three, even last year of just
hopping between games to try out as many

1060
01:14:33.119 --> 01:14:39.800
as I could, the games I
continually wanted to really dive into, you

1061
01:14:39.880 --> 01:14:45.920
know, excluding the Zelda's. I'm
trying to remember what else. Earlier this

1062
01:14:45.039 --> 01:14:48.800
year of the world, I was
like, I really want to be playing

1063
01:14:49.359 --> 01:14:57.319
something like Wasteland three again, or
Pathfinder Kingmaker or Pillars of Eternity, Dead

1064
01:14:57.359 --> 01:15:01.359
Fire, like something about those bird's
eye perspective over a bunch of these characters

1065
01:15:01.479 --> 01:15:04.600
that party. I talked up waste
Land three on our Game of the Year

1066
01:15:04.680 --> 01:15:10.520
chats two years ago. Those are
continually the ones where I think it is

1067
01:15:10.560 --> 01:15:15.239
that really delicate balance of them telling
the structured narrative but also allowing room for

1068
01:15:15.359 --> 01:15:19.319
that those emergent moments of turning into
a cheese wheel or in Original Sin too,

1069
01:15:19.399 --> 01:15:24.000
it's like, oh cool, I
can make my character a skeleton,

1070
01:15:24.479 --> 01:15:27.800
let's you know, let's let's roll
with that. And then everyone of a

1071
01:15:27.840 --> 01:15:30.800
sudden, everybody's like, what the
fuck man? I was like, oh,

1072
01:15:30.960 --> 01:15:32.840
right, of course they're creeped out, so you find a bucket.

1073
01:15:33.680 --> 01:15:38.159
Now I'm fine. Um. It's
it's that kind of blend between that,

1074
01:15:39.039 --> 01:15:44.760
those emergent moments where I think my
favorite games. The more games I play

1075
01:15:44.880 --> 01:15:48.680
my favorite ones, it truly feels
like, in a narrative and mechanical and

1076
01:15:48.880 --> 01:15:55.000
systemic sense, the developers are meeting
me halfway. Like if I'm if I'm

1077
01:15:55.039 --> 01:15:57.399
just kind of buying in, and
I'm like, cool, I'll play this

1078
01:15:57.520 --> 01:16:00.439
game, I'll I'll do what you
want me to do. And then I

1079
01:16:00.520 --> 01:16:03.439
feel like they're also kind of opting
into that agreement in a big way.

1080
01:16:03.960 --> 01:16:08.800
And that's when I get floored by
games, and I'm hoping that's why I

1081
01:16:08.800 --> 01:16:11.279
feel a Baller's Gate three. And
I already did a bit when I played

1082
01:16:11.359 --> 01:16:15.359
in twenty twenty one, but I
played three hours of that and I was

1083
01:16:15.399 --> 01:16:19.199
like, Okay, I don't want
to tell us out. Yeah, especially

1084
01:16:19.239 --> 01:16:23.640
the your save doesn't come over into
one point. Oh yeah, I don't

1085
01:16:23.640 --> 01:16:28.560
even remember what happened. I remember
did you see Kevin van Ord when you

1086
01:16:28.600 --> 01:16:30.880
were there, Jake or no.
I think he was supposed to be there,

1087
01:16:30.960 --> 01:16:34.760
but he I don't know. I
don't speak for him, but he

1088
01:16:34.800 --> 01:16:38.600
wasn't there. So yeah, so
it kind of those for those who don't

1089
01:16:38.600 --> 01:16:43.239
know Kevin van Ord right before actually, like a few months overlap at Game

1090
01:16:43.279 --> 01:16:47.239
Spot with me was the reviews editor
game Spot for a while. It was

1091
01:16:47.279 --> 01:16:53.279
an institution there, and then went
over to Larryon. We moved to Belgium

1092
01:16:53.359 --> 01:16:58.000
to write for what we didn't know
at the time was Ball's Gate three and

1093
01:16:58.520 --> 01:17:01.560
I remember, Oh, the character's
name starts with a W. Willem.

1094
01:17:02.640 --> 01:17:06.920
There's a character. I think it's
a W. Kevin's like wrote most of

1095
01:17:08.000 --> 01:17:14.119
his stuff. It's one of the
first companions see the Necromancer. Does he

1096
01:17:14.239 --> 01:17:16.039
have the scar in his eye?
Is that what you're thinking? I think

1097
01:17:16.159 --> 01:17:20.720
so. He's one of the earliest
companion characters they showed. Okay, regardless,

1098
01:17:20.760 --> 01:17:27.319
it's just it's cool to see reading
his reviews. Before I got the

1099
01:17:27.359 --> 01:17:30.760
Game Spot, I was always like, I knew those the kind of games

1100
01:17:30.840 --> 01:17:33.960
Kevin loved. So now seeing him
write one for going on four years now,

1101
01:17:34.159 --> 01:17:39.439
five years, I'm curious too.
I'm very excited to see how it

1102
01:17:39.520 --> 01:17:43.960
turns out, because I I've been
eager to see the final work for a

1103
01:17:44.039 --> 01:17:46.920
while. And it's funny. I
yeah, I thought that them releasing it

1104
01:17:47.079 --> 01:17:50.399
in early access would dampen my excitement
for the release, but I kind of

1105
01:17:50.439 --> 01:17:55.000
had the adverse effect, where now
I'm like, oh man, there's a

1106
01:17:55.039 --> 01:17:58.359
few things I missed in early access, but now it's fully coming out in

1107
01:17:58.439 --> 01:18:01.600
a month early, and yeah,
I'm I'm excited for that because until Armcore

1108
01:18:02.359 --> 01:18:05.760
there's for me, there's not much
in August that I'm really excited for before

1109
01:18:05.880 --> 01:18:11.399
armor Core six. Weird weirdly enough, a little sidebar a thing I did

1110
01:18:11.520 --> 01:18:15.960
not consider. I used my one
like monthly tweet that I do nowadays to

1111
01:18:16.119 --> 01:18:20.159
say when they moved up to release
date to August third, I'm like some

1112
01:18:20.319 --> 01:18:23.800
dumb joke about now I'm going to
lock myself in a closet and play that

1113
01:18:23.880 --> 01:18:28.079
game. A bunch of people responded
to me saying that they were a bit

1114
01:18:28.600 --> 01:18:38.199
peeved because they had taken PTO that's
funny first or whatever, and I was

1115
01:18:38.239 --> 01:18:41.479
like, I really didn't consider that, Like, of course, look,

1116
01:18:41.720 --> 01:18:45.560
at least is not later. At
least you'll have the game in at that

1117
01:18:45.680 --> 01:18:47.840
PTO time, you'll have the game. It's like, sure, you might

1118
01:18:47.960 --> 01:18:50.920
need to avoid social media for a
month and like not talk to your friends

1119
01:18:50.960 --> 01:18:54.520
for a month. But I was
like, I didn't consider that because by

1120
01:18:54.600 --> 01:18:56.880
and large, it's cool that they
moved it up a month. Um,

1121
01:18:57.399 --> 01:19:00.520
they're like it's ready to go.
We're gonna delay past five a bit.

1122
01:19:00.000 --> 01:19:02.359
I'm sure they want to get out
of the way of Starfield a bit too,

1123
01:19:02.640 --> 01:19:04.800
get away from start. Yeah,
yeah, for sure, because I

1124
01:19:04.880 --> 01:19:11.199
feel like so many games wanted to
get behind Tears of the Kingdom and then

1125
01:19:11.199 --> 01:19:14.279
others wanted to get in front of
Starfield. It was, it was it

1126
01:19:14.399 --> 01:19:15.600
made sense if it was ready to
go, go for it. And it's

1127
01:19:15.600 --> 01:19:18.760
a full month, which kind of
turnheads based on what we saw the readership

1128
01:19:18.800 --> 01:19:21.680
of that story. But um,
it's funny. I mean, I don't

1129
01:19:21.720 --> 01:19:25.239
know. It would suck if I
was like, oh, all my friends

1130
01:19:25.279 --> 01:19:28.960
and I took PTO to get excited
for launch night or for Thursday night.

1131
01:19:29.039 --> 01:19:31.119
Whenever I was like, oh man, that does that's a bummer for those

1132
01:19:31.199 --> 01:19:38.479
like fifty people out of the thousand, nah a three hundred thousand, Um,

1133
01:19:39.239 --> 01:19:43.640
I get it. I'm gonna say, before you get a nasty mail,

1134
01:19:44.000 --> 01:19:48.840
I said necromance, I met Warlock
played a lot of Yes, that

1135
01:19:49.000 --> 01:19:54.720
sounds more like it. He was
one of the first people they revealed,

1136
01:19:55.439 --> 01:19:58.600
and then Kevin was saying like,
oh, I'm I wrote most of his

1137
01:19:58.640 --> 01:20:00.720
stuff, Like oh, that's awesome, Like that's super cool to me.

1138
01:20:01.680 --> 01:20:05.359
I know different studios operate on you
know, different systems, but like that,

1139
01:20:05.479 --> 01:20:10.319
they got to really get attached to
one character, etc. I know

1140
01:20:10.399 --> 01:20:13.720
other studios are like, oh I
wrote this one level or this one mission,

1141
01:20:13.800 --> 01:20:16.800
etc. I'm excited for that.
I can't wait. Yeah. Same

1142
01:20:16.880 --> 01:20:23.119
here. I had to stop myself
from continuing to play that game, because

1143
01:20:23.560 --> 01:20:26.800
you know I did. I wanted
to keep pushing, and I was like,

1144
01:20:26.920 --> 01:20:30.760
man, I should stop because saves
don't carry over and I want to.

1145
01:20:31.800 --> 01:20:34.920
It seems like even in one point
of they've changed I don't know,

1146
01:20:35.079 --> 01:20:41.439
Jake, if you had remembered some
of the beats from the early access,

1147
01:20:41.560 --> 01:20:45.359
but it even seems like they changed
some early stuff too. They did.

1148
01:20:45.479 --> 01:20:47.560
I know for a fact, they
changed a lot of I don't know about

1149
01:20:47.560 --> 01:20:50.199
a lot, but they changed a
good amount of those interactions to Okay,

1150
01:20:51.079 --> 01:20:55.800
I think I think keep people on
their toes and also just to just do

1151
01:20:55.840 --> 01:20:59.359
accommodate for all the different classes.
I know they like. I don't know

1152
01:20:59.399 --> 01:21:00.840
if it actually it was in Early
Access, but I know they rewrote a

1153
01:21:00.960 --> 01:21:05.039
lot of one character. Um.
I think it was the warlock that we're

1154
01:21:05.079 --> 01:21:12.079
talking about, in order to better
suit his warlock background. Um. I

1155
01:21:12.119 --> 01:21:15.560
think they mentioned that in one of
the interviews I did, which which I

1156
01:21:15.560 --> 01:21:18.640
thought was kind of cool. Um. But yeah, I think even people

1157
01:21:18.680 --> 01:21:23.239
who have played Early Access in that
Act one a couple of times, I

1158
01:21:23.279 --> 01:21:27.199
think they're still gonna be surprises for
that. The character i'm thinking of,

1159
01:21:27.600 --> 01:21:30.960
um is the guy you meet in
the Druid Enclave. I don't know if

1160
01:21:30.960 --> 01:21:33.119
you remember that part of the game. I don't think that was what you

1161
01:21:33.199 --> 01:21:38.399
played. Yeah, he was the
person training the kids. Is the character

1162
01:21:38.520 --> 01:21:42.079
i'm thinking of. Okay, and
I'm not sure if that's the right character.

1163
01:21:42.239 --> 01:21:45.560
I was thinking Will w y l
L. I think that is that

1164
01:21:45.279 --> 01:21:49.079
human warlock noble by birth. Will
made his name as hell Blade of Frontiers.

1165
01:21:49.159 --> 01:21:51.640
He keeps the pack of the Devil
Wellhead. And yeah, I believe

1166
01:21:51.920 --> 01:21:57.199
if memory serves, Kevin Maynard has
done a lot of work on him.

1167
01:21:57.920 --> 01:22:01.319
I could I could be completely misremembering, but I'm pretty sure that's the case.

1168
01:22:02.680 --> 01:22:06.479
The other thing, too, is
the combat's really good, like it's

1169
01:22:08.399 --> 01:22:12.560
turn based, you know, tactical. But I prefer this style of combat

1170
01:22:12.600 --> 01:22:16.600
a lot more than Divinity Original Sin
too. I really like Divinity Original Sin

1171
01:22:16.680 --> 01:22:23.479
too, but the combat I felt
like took a very long time to get

1172
01:22:23.520 --> 01:22:28.479
through some of those battles, and
particularly the elemental stuff, where like there'd

1173
01:22:28.520 --> 01:22:30.479
be holy fires that you couldn't put
out or something unless you had a holy

1174
01:22:31.199 --> 01:22:33.680
spell. I don't know, I'm
probably butchering it because I haven't played it

1175
01:22:33.680 --> 01:22:36.680
in a while, but I just
remember battlefields being on fire all the time.

1176
01:22:38.920 --> 01:22:43.359
Uh and and this it feels a
lot punch here. Um. It's

1177
01:22:43.399 --> 01:22:45.840
same in the early access, but
it just it things get resolved very quickly

1178
01:22:45.960 --> 01:22:50.760
like they do in D and DUM
and I think that works very well for

1179
01:22:51.359 --> 01:22:56.199
for this style of game. I
had to I had to put on the

1180
01:22:57.079 --> 01:23:06.359
um or open up the kind of
expanded narration or combat roles to some of

1181
01:23:06.399 --> 01:23:10.319
the stuff I couldn't, so a
lot of stuff was popping off so fast,

1182
01:23:10.439 --> 01:23:12.680
kind of like you're saying, like
it moves pretty quickly that I was

1183
01:23:12.720 --> 01:23:15.239
like whoa, whoa, wait what
happened? Yeah? Yeah, what even

1184
01:23:15.520 --> 01:23:18.800
like what happened there? And go
back and be like, oh, okay,

1185
01:23:18.840 --> 01:23:23.640
I failed this role and then you
know this happened or you know,

1186
01:23:23.840 --> 01:23:27.640
because wild magic kicked off, this
thing happened or whatever was and I had

1187
01:23:27.640 --> 01:23:30.960
to be like, oh okay,
that makes sense. Um, it like

1188
01:23:31.199 --> 01:23:36.720
really does just move in a way, especially when it's like not your active

1189
01:23:36.800 --> 01:23:40.159
turn, when people are just doing
other things, You're like, whoa,

1190
01:23:40.319 --> 01:23:44.840
Okay, stuff's popping off. But
it's I also like it a lot.

1191
01:23:45.199 --> 01:23:46.680
You know, I think some of
the changes they've made to the fifth edition

1192
01:23:47.840 --> 01:23:53.760
rule set to make it work,
um, you know, to bend it

1193
01:23:53.960 --> 01:23:59.479
to their video game will see it
seems to be still feels accurate, right.

1194
01:23:59.479 --> 01:24:02.800
It doesn't like or at least to
my knowledge, just doesn't seem to

1195
01:24:02.880 --> 01:24:08.439
be breaking the systems in ways that
are like I don't know, like is

1196
01:24:08.520 --> 01:24:12.359
it really D and D And it's
like no, this feels pretty pretty accurate,

1197
01:24:12.439 --> 01:24:15.560
Like you've tried to incorporate a lot. I don't know if they talked

1198
01:24:15.560 --> 01:24:17.720
about it, but did they say
it feels like the language I have heard

1199
01:24:17.880 --> 01:24:20.840
is like we're launching with these classes, and so I don't know what they're

1200
01:24:20.880 --> 01:24:26.159
planning on bringing on later. Yeah, when I was there, I didn't

1201
01:24:26.159 --> 01:24:28.960
really get a good picture of whether
or not they'd be adding more eventually.

1202
01:24:29.079 --> 01:24:31.880
But it definitely doesn't seem like a
game that they're going to, you know,

1203
01:24:32.039 --> 01:24:34.800
launch an abandon. I think they're
going to they have more plans for

1204
01:24:34.880 --> 01:24:38.119
this, but to what that entails, I don't. I don't really know.

1205
01:24:39.279 --> 01:24:45.000
It's also interesting because Wizards of the
Coast and I guess Hasbro they're launching

1206
01:24:45.239 --> 01:24:51.720
there or introducing their next D and
D addition, whatever that winds up being,

1207
01:24:53.000 --> 01:24:57.880
or they're stumbling along trying to introduce
their next D and D addition as

1208
01:24:57.920 --> 01:25:01.800
they're doing play testing and trying to
figure how they keep the good will of

1209
01:25:01.880 --> 01:25:05.840
fifth edition, which is extremely popular. But also I think they want to

1210
01:25:06.039 --> 01:25:11.079
celebrate their anniversary coming up, and
you know, they make a lot of

1211
01:25:11.119 --> 01:25:14.720
money by selling new books when when
a new edition comes out, and so

1212
01:25:14.960 --> 01:25:17.000
I feel like there's been a lot
of pushback of like, whoa fifth edition

1213
01:25:17.119 --> 01:25:19.560
is awesome, please don't change it, like we can stick around you for

1214
01:25:19.560 --> 01:25:25.079
another five years, and they seem
to be you know, two steps forward,

1215
01:25:25.159 --> 01:25:27.760
one step back with a lot of
this stuff. My point being though,

1216
01:25:27.880 --> 01:25:30.640
aside from the kind of stepping in
it constantly with the audience with what

1217
01:25:30.720 --> 01:25:35.479
they announce over there is will any
of that roll into boulders Gate three or

1218
01:25:36.079 --> 01:25:40.439
are they I wonder if they'll just
stay locked into fifth edition? Even though

1219
01:25:40.479 --> 01:25:43.399
it sounds like Wizards, it's like
everything coming after this is going to be

1220
01:25:43.520 --> 01:25:45.119
compatible with fifth edition. Don't worry
about it. We're just changing some of

1221
01:25:45.159 --> 01:25:50.520
the way there's character classes work.
I'll be curious to see in six months,

1222
01:25:50.680 --> 01:25:56.119
seven months, or whenever the next
five point five edition. I don't

1223
01:25:56.159 --> 01:26:00.399
think they'll be six whatever they're calling
it comes out, because it's you know,

1224
01:26:00.680 --> 01:26:03.439
rules changes can be big. I
don't know if this will be we'll

1225
01:26:03.479 --> 01:26:10.399
see the character creation stuff seemed uh
in the stream they did also nights,

1226
01:26:10.479 --> 01:26:15.600
the revised DUI and streamlined do I
it seems like they're doing smart changes for

1227
01:26:15.720 --> 01:26:18.479
that, because do either of you
guys play. I know, Jake you

1228
01:26:18.479 --> 01:26:21.239
said you don't play too much D
and D, But are you guys familiar

1229
01:26:21.359 --> 01:26:27.680
with like character creation and the kind
of you can get in the weeds?

1230
01:26:27.920 --> 01:26:30.119
Yeah, I filled out a character
sheet or two before Okay, yeah,

1231
01:26:30.319 --> 01:26:32.880
it takes a while. It was
like, I think the first time I

1232
01:26:32.920 --> 01:26:34.359
did it, someone was like,
oh, yeah, you gotta do that

1233
01:26:34.439 --> 01:26:39.119
before we start, and I was
like, right, yes, Sion session

1234
01:26:39.239 --> 01:26:43.199
zero, right play cyberpun red together
for a bit before twenty seventy seven came

1235
01:26:43.239 --> 01:26:45.880
out, and I remember being like
Jake came up to me, He's like,

1236
01:26:45.880 --> 01:26:47.560
all right, let's do a character
sheet. I was like, okay,

1237
01:26:47.600 --> 01:26:49.079
cool. When we shooting the videos, like, I don't know,

1238
01:26:49.199 --> 01:26:51.319
sometime next week, just do the
character sheet now. We spent like,

1239
01:26:51.560 --> 01:26:55.920
read three hours in a room.
It was fun. I got it was

1240
01:26:56.159 --> 01:26:59.239
I was a salaried worker doing a
character sheet for three hours in a meeting

1241
01:26:59.319 --> 01:27:00.279
room. I could not complained.
But I was like, oh, this

1242
01:27:00.479 --> 01:27:05.079
is in depth. But even in
the early accents, and it seems like

1243
01:27:05.119 --> 01:27:10.159
they've streamlined this even more in one
point. Oh, the character career seems

1244
01:27:10.199 --> 01:27:15.159
like you could you flow through it
fairly quickly, and they have some guardrails

1245
01:27:15.279 --> 01:27:18.640
on to make sure you're not blowing
it. You know, like when you

1246
01:27:18.760 --> 01:27:24.239
pick your class, the dice rolls, they'll put the they'll put the arrays

1247
01:27:24.279 --> 01:27:26.680
in the numbers in the right spot
for you. To be like, Okay,

1248
01:27:26.720 --> 01:27:29.680
you want to put your highest number
in charisma, you know you want

1249
01:27:29.680 --> 01:27:31.760
to put that, and that's but
you can change it. But it seems

1250
01:27:31.800 --> 01:27:35.920
like they are helping you along gently. Yeah. I kind of got that

1251
01:27:36.000 --> 01:27:40.720
impression when I was because I kind
of created a character. I didn't change

1252
01:27:40.800 --> 01:27:44.119
much because I was just like,
I gotta get going and play this thing.

1253
01:27:44.920 --> 01:27:47.520
M One thing though, that we
talked about, and I don't know

1254
01:27:47.600 --> 01:27:53.880
how much this is in Act one, but the Paladin class has the oath

1255
01:27:53.960 --> 01:27:58.520
breaker stuff and that is part of
the Paladin story, so I don't know

1256
01:27:58.520 --> 01:28:01.319
if you really touch on that and
Act one, but that sounds really cool

1257
01:28:01.399 --> 01:28:04.720
because they were like, yeah,
this is a story written for that specific

1258
01:28:04.800 --> 01:28:06.800
class, and in a way,
it kind of makes it one of the

1259
01:28:06.880 --> 01:28:14.239
better role playing class because like,
sorry, wait, as a lay person,

1260
01:28:15.359 --> 01:28:19.880
what about it? I mean,
Vinnie might know better. Paladin takes

1261
01:28:19.880 --> 01:28:28.199
an oath and they have to uphold
that oath. It's really severe news and

1262
01:28:28.439 --> 01:28:30.760
you can do that in the game
and you can break it if you,

1263
01:28:30.880 --> 01:28:34.680
I don't know it kill people or
whatever. And then apparently someone will come

1264
01:28:34.760 --> 01:28:40.479
and you'll break the oath and they'll
be like an entire quest like around the

1265
01:28:40.600 --> 01:28:43.319
fact that you just broke your oath. Oh, so you're forced to either

1266
01:28:43.960 --> 01:28:47.199
stick to this role or deal with
the consequences of not sticking. Yeah,

1267
01:28:47.319 --> 01:28:50.720
in an RPG sense. So like, well, for me personally, I'm

1268
01:28:50.760 --> 01:28:54.640
going to do that, Like I
want to play Paladin immediately. I would

1269
01:28:54.680 --> 01:28:58.600
normally never would never would play Paladin. But after hearing that, I'm like,

1270
01:28:58.640 --> 01:29:00.119
Okay, that that's kind of interesting. If there's a story built into

1271
01:29:00.159 --> 01:29:04.600
the class I am picking, which
I guess is pretty normal for D and

1272
01:29:04.680 --> 01:29:09.079
D but like for games not really, you know, that's just like your

1273
01:29:09.119 --> 01:29:13.800
classes gameplay modifiers, not story modifiers. Yeah, that's cool. I didn't

1274
01:29:13.840 --> 01:29:16.279
know that that they kind of I
thought it would just be backstory stuff that

1275
01:29:16.399 --> 01:29:20.119
they didn't just weave it in.
That's neat. Yeah, I'd love to

1276
01:29:20.159 --> 01:29:24.479
see more of that and what they
do and how they flesh that out and

1277
01:29:24.520 --> 01:29:29.840
the attention to detail. Pretty excited
for that. Paladin. Huh, Well,

1278
01:29:29.920 --> 01:29:33.399
I guess I don't know. Honestly, this will be like Divinity where

1279
01:29:33.399 --> 01:29:38.960
I'll make like thirty characters and get
out of the tutorial area every time,

1280
01:29:39.000 --> 01:29:42.720
and I want sure get past that. So you know, the other thing

1281
01:29:43.199 --> 01:29:45.439
I heard Larry and say that was
so you can multi class. That's a

1282
01:29:45.520 --> 01:29:47.159
D and D thing, and it
seems like they have that in there,

1283
01:29:47.760 --> 01:29:51.920
but it said that you can respect
like later on. Did they mention that

1284
01:29:51.960 --> 01:29:56.439
at all when you talk to them. I didn't hear anything about that.

1285
01:29:57.119 --> 01:30:00.279
Okay, maybe yeah, I mean
if they said it, I think that's

1286
01:30:00.319 --> 01:30:03.319
what I heard them say, because
they didn't want people to feel like they,

1287
01:30:03.880 --> 01:30:08.479
you know, went down the wrong
path right and that you're committed into

1288
01:30:08.600 --> 01:30:13.319
this talent tree, or you put
the you pick the wrong feet, or

1289
01:30:13.359 --> 01:30:16.039
you did something incorrectly that you can
respect later on. I don't know all

1290
01:30:16.039 --> 01:30:20.359
the mechanics about it. I'm sure
the hopefully there's some narrative bit to it,

1291
01:30:20.560 --> 01:30:24.520
and but I think that was one
of the things that they were talking

1292
01:30:24.520 --> 01:30:28.359
about in that presentation they public when
they did, which was like, hey,

1293
01:30:28.439 --> 01:30:30.079
don't worry, like you know,
you're not going to goof up your

1294
01:30:30.239 --> 01:30:34.680
your character for the next seventy hours
here by making one wrong choice that hour

1295
01:30:34.760 --> 01:30:43.920
or two. I've asked people to
support Vinny when given the choice, what's

1296
01:30:43.960 --> 01:30:46.359
the general archetype you go for in
an RPG? If you can create a

1297
01:30:46.479 --> 01:30:50.840
character sure. I usually will go
boy scout first, and then the most

1298
01:30:50.920 --> 01:30:55.800
evil horrible person on a second play
through. Okay, Jake, what about

1299
01:30:55.840 --> 01:31:01.239
you, I'm the fucking rogue who
uses an arrow and Steve sneaks around every

1300
01:31:01.319 --> 01:31:05.439
time. I'm trying so hard for
Balder's Gap not to be that. Yeah,

1301
01:31:05.800 --> 01:31:10.560
I'm I'm usually a rogue as well. I I don't know what it

1302
01:31:10.720 --> 01:31:14.840
is. And it's funny because I
always have so much more fun when I'm

1303
01:31:14.880 --> 01:31:18.920
just this hunky slab of meat that's
just like stumbling his way through crowds of

1304
01:31:19.000 --> 01:31:23.159
people, and I always have more
fun with that. But I tell myself,

1305
01:31:23.960 --> 01:31:26.479
I'm gonna be a rogue every single
time when I have the option.

1306
01:31:28.319 --> 01:31:30.439
Is like that, that's cool,
though, you gotta go with the cool

1307
01:31:30.479 --> 01:31:33.760
one and I want to be all
goth and sneak through the shadows and shit.

1308
01:31:33.960 --> 01:31:38.800
Yeah. Character gameplay wise, I
will pick the pet class. Like

1309
01:31:39.199 --> 01:31:42.920
given an option, I will pick
whatever it gets, like um the ranger

1310
01:31:43.800 --> 01:31:47.239
yeah, or like a druid or
like a necromancer or whatever. Like you

1311
01:31:47.319 --> 01:31:51.920
know, if you have summons um, then I will usually pick that class.

1312
01:31:53.000 --> 01:31:55.239
Or if you can change into an
animal like a druid or something,

1313
01:31:55.279 --> 01:31:58.479
I want. I want those.
I just think those are cool options.

1314
01:31:59.319 --> 01:32:03.319
But Indean so far I have.
I usually will try and go for some

1315
01:32:03.439 --> 01:32:08.720
kind of spellcaster, just because I
think the magic opens up so many dumb

1316
01:32:09.880 --> 01:32:15.399
gameplay and narrative options, just you
know, make people levitate, you know,

1317
01:32:15.600 --> 01:32:19.479
drop the tournament to animals. It
just it's it's unlimited, right,

1318
01:32:19.600 --> 01:32:24.920
you know, like the nonsense,
the chaos you can cause. Apparently,

1319
01:32:25.399 --> 01:32:28.199
um, when I was talking to
one of the developers, they were saying,

1320
01:32:28.319 --> 01:32:31.239
I think it was the Warlock with
chaos magic or wild magic or something.

1321
01:32:31.800 --> 01:32:35.600
It must be the Sourcerer class wild
magic. Yeah, they were saying

1322
01:32:35.640 --> 01:32:41.159
that, like most of their bugs
and issues that got sent to them was

1323
01:32:41.279 --> 01:32:45.359
because of that class, because you
could kind of customize your spells and you

1324
01:32:45.439 --> 01:32:47.359
could just break the game in all
these ways. And yeah, they were

1325
01:32:47.399 --> 01:32:51.560
like nine out of ten times when
something broke it was because of that class.

1326
01:32:53.119 --> 01:32:56.239
So I want to play that class. You're not a bug class.

1327
01:32:56.359 --> 01:32:59.680
Yeah. The wild magic on the
Sorcerer I just I tried out when I

1328
01:32:59.760 --> 01:33:03.560
went back into the early access.
It's like one of those things where like

1329
01:33:03.800 --> 01:33:09.600
a random magical effect will pop off
if you do a certain things. Usually

1330
01:33:09.600 --> 01:33:13.479
it's tides of chaos, like you
change a role or you get advantage on

1331
01:33:13.520 --> 01:33:17.800
a role, and like in a
physical setting, the DM gets to kind

1332
01:33:17.840 --> 01:33:21.439
of decide at their discretion when that
wild magic kicks off, right, and

1333
01:33:21.479 --> 01:33:24.920
then you get to recharge your tides
of Chaos. And I was like,

1334
01:33:24.960 --> 01:33:27.439
how are they going to do this
in the game, and you know,

1335
01:33:27.760 --> 01:33:30.479
are they going to reference the table? And that's and it did kick off.

1336
01:33:30.640 --> 01:33:33.479
Things would like you use their tides
of chaos, which is this kind

1337
01:33:33.520 --> 01:33:39.720
of change the fabric of realities thing, and then a random spell would pop

1338
01:33:39.800 --> 01:33:42.920
off, you know, next time
you cast a spell, and that's super

1339
01:33:43.079 --> 01:33:45.920
interesting and fun. And you know, those kind of things range from flower

1340
01:33:46.000 --> 01:33:50.000
pedals just appear around you too.
You're transported to another realm, you know,

1341
01:33:50.159 --> 01:33:55.279
another plane of existence and you have
you know, thirty seconds to get

1342
01:33:55.319 --> 01:33:59.000
back because there's no oxygen here.
You know, like those things are you

1343
01:33:59.079 --> 01:34:00.840
know, I found boulders when I
was playing in the early access. I

1344
01:34:00.840 --> 01:34:03.720
don't know if you had the same
experience, Jake. It's like, you

1345
01:34:03.800 --> 01:34:08.319
know, you could die. You
can turn a corner and die and reload

1346
01:34:08.359 --> 01:34:12.239
your save like it's not gonna give
you an escape patch all the time.

1347
01:34:12.479 --> 01:34:15.119
You can get a bad role and
be boned. Yeah, just get stuck

1348
01:34:15.159 --> 01:34:18.920
in a combat situation where it's like
I can't win this and I'm I'm fucked.

1349
01:34:19.039 --> 01:34:24.359
But yeah, so I think they're
adding difficulties in one point zero.

1350
01:34:25.520 --> 01:34:28.319
I think there's three. There's like
Narrative and I imagine that's pretty easy,

1351
01:34:28.560 --> 01:34:30.119
and then there's the Standard, which
I think is in one point zero,

1352
01:34:30.119 --> 01:34:35.439
and there's Tactician, which was also
a difficulty in Divinity Original Sin too,

1353
01:34:35.800 --> 01:34:39.840
um, but that one's back.
So yeah. I mean, like,

1354
01:34:40.479 --> 01:34:44.239
honestly, after playing a lot in
the Standard difficulty, it's like, maybe

1355
01:34:44.279 --> 01:34:50.279
I'll do narrative first, just to
like see this through because I'm not good

1356
01:34:50.279 --> 01:34:53.439
at this kind of shit. I
enjoy it, but I'm not good at

1357
01:34:53.479 --> 01:34:56.439
it. So you know, vary
and stuff gets tough. I mean,

1358
01:34:56.680 --> 01:35:00.840
they did, they did that spin
off Tactics game. I think you're just

1359
01:35:00.920 --> 01:35:05.479
called Divinity Tactics. That would make
sense, I'm sure, And that was

1360
01:35:05.920 --> 01:35:09.520
I remember getting my ass kicked in
that, and I'm pretty good at those

1361
01:35:09.560 --> 01:35:11.920
kind of games, or at least
I played enough of them to at least

1362
01:35:12.239 --> 01:35:16.319
have the wherewithal to know what's going
on and I mean Original Sin two got

1363
01:35:16.439 --> 01:35:20.680
tough as well. I mean Original
Sin two had the structure where you were

1364
01:35:21.159 --> 01:35:25.279
you could be in a conversation and
then all of a sudden combat would break

1365
01:35:25.319 --> 01:35:30.079
out and you're standing where you were. If memory serves on the tiles that

1366
01:35:30.399 --> 01:35:33.479
were on the map, just how
waist Land three is and like in Exiles

1367
01:35:33.520 --> 01:35:38.840
games. So I was used to
that, but still I remember Sven was

1368
01:35:39.000 --> 01:35:43.880
doing a demo for Original Sin two
back in the day when I was doing

1369
01:35:43.920 --> 01:35:47.720
a preview for game Spot, and
I was, you know, pretty sure

1370
01:35:47.800 --> 01:35:51.039
of myself one going into that demo
that I'd be fine in the comment and

1371
01:35:51.079 --> 01:35:56.279
then I got my ass kicked and
half it's just sort of embracing the chaos.

1372
01:35:56.399 --> 01:36:00.840
But I was never super good at
letting things it out of control in

1373
01:36:00.920 --> 01:36:08.520
my favor. The last thing I'll
say about Bowlder's Game three is I'm super

1374
01:36:08.560 --> 01:36:14.479
excited about it. I'm really and
sitting there and for the last month and

1375
01:36:14.520 --> 01:36:17.960
a half had been like I'm not
gonna I have it already on PC.

1376
01:36:18.319 --> 01:36:23.720
I'm not buying this Collector's edition,
Like I'm not buying I'm not buying this

1377
01:36:23.880 --> 01:36:28.680
like whatever it is, like two
hundred and fifty dollars box of goodies and

1378
01:36:28.840 --> 01:36:33.520
then the release gate they gets moved
up, and I'm like, all right,

1379
01:36:33.560 --> 01:36:35.720
but like what if I bought the
PS five version of that, and

1380
01:36:35.840 --> 01:36:40.039
like you know, then i'd have
it on both there is cross save stuff

1381
01:36:40.119 --> 01:36:43.279
and like, I'm probably gonna want
to buy in the PS five version anyway.

1382
01:36:43.319 --> 01:36:45.199
And then I look and it's like
the PS five version has been sold

1383
01:36:45.239 --> 01:36:48.760
out right of the of the collectors
or the deluxe whatever, the superbox,

1384
01:36:48.880 --> 01:36:51.119
these other people are getting it.
I gotta get it now. And then

1385
01:36:51.159 --> 01:36:54.680
I was like, okay, well
that's sold out. Good because I'm not

1386
01:36:54.720 --> 01:36:58.000
gonna buy the PC. I own
the PC version already. And by owning

1387
01:36:58.079 --> 01:37:01.159
the PC version in Early Acts is
you get the Deluxe edition. Not the

1388
01:37:01.199 --> 01:37:03.800
collectors won't, but you get the
deluxe one. I was like, that's

1389
01:37:03.840 --> 01:37:08.439
just one more get I'm gonna buy
this thing twice. And then they do

1390
01:37:08.560 --> 01:37:14.439
their freaking uh presentation again and they're
like, don't forget that, you can

1391
01:37:14.520 --> 01:37:17.199
go. You can go get the
Collector's edition. I think they said,

1392
01:37:17.239 --> 01:37:19.600
like we found a bunch more.
You're like, go get it, and

1393
01:37:19.720 --> 01:37:24.119
I was like, a go check
it out, all right, I'll go

1394
01:37:24.199 --> 01:37:27.960
look one more time, and then
the PC edition was was even sold out

1395
01:37:28.000 --> 01:37:30.439
too, and I was like,
I miss it. And then once they're

1396
01:37:30.479 --> 01:37:32.399
both sold out, then I'm like, ah, I should have gotten it.

1397
01:37:32.560 --> 01:37:34.600
Why didn't I get it? I
could have gotten one of them.

1398
01:37:34.640 --> 01:37:38.600
And all I really want, though, is that stupid map. That's like

1399
01:37:38.720 --> 01:37:42.000
the cloth map. That's it,
and like that's really it, but like

1400
01:37:42.359 --> 01:37:45.560
you know, I'm like, that's
I could probably just find somebody on Etsy

1401
01:37:45.640 --> 01:37:47.960
and pay them, uh not two
hundred and seventy five dollars to just be

1402
01:37:48.079 --> 01:37:50.880
like, just draw a cool map
on this piece of this cloth. But

1403
01:37:53.239 --> 01:37:56.720
I couldn't. I couldn't believe it. After they sold out the second time

1404
01:37:56.960 --> 01:38:01.439
on the PC edition, that was
like there was definitely that horrible moment of

1405
01:38:01.600 --> 01:38:04.039
like I should have gotten and I'm
like, I, I really shouldn't have

1406
01:38:04.119 --> 01:38:10.600
gotten it. I really don't what
It's gonna stay in a box and I'm

1407
01:38:10.640 --> 01:38:15.039
just gonna look at it next to
the four other boxes I have of like,

1408
01:38:15.520 --> 01:38:18.399
you know, a swag I got
from something like you know, the

1409
01:38:18.560 --> 01:38:25.520
Cyberpunk Lady or the Deadbye Dad,
Deady Day. It was just dumb,

1410
01:38:25.720 --> 01:38:32.079
dumb, right, And it's like
and I know. I was literally going

1411
01:38:32.239 --> 01:38:36.199
myself like if I did this,
I would have to buy two one that

1412
01:38:36.279 --> 01:38:40.159
I would never open, yea,
and one that I would open and be

1413
01:38:40.239 --> 01:38:43.399
like Okay, I'm gonna go.
And it's like I'm so glad this sold

1414
01:38:43.439 --> 01:38:47.640
out because it's it's I'm terrible like
that and like I would never get rid

1415
01:38:47.640 --> 01:38:50.680
of it. I do that with
Nintendo games. I'll buy one to open,

1416
01:38:50.720 --> 01:38:56.079
and then I'll buy one to keep
sealed, because yeah, I had

1417
01:38:56.119 --> 01:38:59.720
all the Pokemon games lost that collection
and tried to get them again and they

1418
01:38:59.760 --> 01:39:02.640
were like hundreds, hundreds of dollars, and I was like, oh my

1419
01:39:02.760 --> 01:39:06.399
gosh, I gotta yeah, it's
bad. Wait did you you had them

1420
01:39:06.439 --> 01:39:10.920
sealed? All the Pokemon games.
Some sealed yeah, yeah, some sealed,

1421
01:39:11.399 --> 01:39:15.079
um, some weren't, but they
were all like in great condition because

1422
01:39:15.119 --> 01:39:18.560
I just didn't you. I mean, I played them for the most part,

1423
01:39:18.680 --> 01:39:23.520
but like I kept them in very
good condition and kept them like organized

1424
01:39:23.560 --> 01:39:27.520
and everything, and and yeah,
lost them in a long story short,

1425
01:39:27.600 --> 01:39:29.359
lost them in a fire. But
then I was like, I'll get them

1426
01:39:29.359 --> 01:39:32.720
again, and like they were like
six hundred dollars and I was like,

1427
01:39:32.840 --> 01:39:38.760
man, I'm sorry, Jake,
that's a somebody who has a collection problem

1428
01:39:40.279 --> 01:39:45.640
that really hurts my heart. Um, vinny, can I assume, based

1429
01:39:45.680 --> 01:39:49.880
on what you said about your preferred
classes, so many animals are you playing

1430
01:39:49.920 --> 01:39:55.359
at druid in Diable before? No
I played a necromanswer? Yeah, yeah,

1431
01:39:55.520 --> 01:40:00.600
yeah, yeah, because you summoned
a ton of dead bodies, skeletons,

1432
01:40:00.960 --> 01:40:02.279
corpses. Yeah. Yeah. Did
you guys play a bunch of dobble

1433
01:40:02.319 --> 01:40:06.640
before a little bit? Okay,
I've played like ten or fifteen hours or

1434
01:40:06.680 --> 01:40:12.640
so, Okay, I mean then
I feel like three hours is enough to

1435
01:40:12.760 --> 01:40:16.560
pretty much know the loop in that
game. Yeah, I finished up the

1436
01:40:16.920 --> 01:40:24.920
narrative in that the kind of base
campaign, and that really feels like the

1437
01:40:25.119 --> 01:40:29.279
beginning of the game in a lot
of ways. Like you you unlock so

1438
01:40:30.640 --> 01:40:35.039
many other activities once you were done
with a campaign that it is probably no

1439
01:40:35.199 --> 01:40:40.199
surprise that once you beat the campaign, you can make a new character and

1440
01:40:40.239 --> 01:40:43.840
there's just a little button that says
skip campaign, And they're like, okay,

1441
01:40:45.359 --> 01:40:48.039
so yeah, I will say,
if you're asking, I don't know

1442
01:40:48.119 --> 01:40:56.039
you didn't, but I will say
of my own accord that I was really

1443
01:40:56.359 --> 01:41:00.520
pushing myself to finish that at some
point like it was. I I felt

1444
01:41:00.560 --> 01:41:03.520
like I was playing hours on end
without getting any good loot and not changing

1445
01:41:03.600 --> 01:41:09.439
loot out. Um, I had
hit the kind of level cap at fifty

1446
01:41:09.600 --> 01:41:13.079
on that because you can't you can't
pump the world tier up again until you

1447
01:41:13.119 --> 01:41:17.760
finish the campaign into World Tier three. But you got Paragon points and so

1448
01:41:17.840 --> 01:41:20.479
it's not like useless. You kind
of still get levels. But I feel

1449
01:41:20.479 --> 01:41:25.279
like the loot just wasn't hitting.
And that's what that game is like.

1450
01:41:25.399 --> 01:41:30.960
If you're if you're spending time chewing
through dungeons and not getting the loot,

1451
01:41:30.039 --> 01:41:34.640
you feel like you want to equip. Then then I hit a cut scene

1452
01:41:34.920 --> 01:41:36.760
towards the end of the game and
I was like it was all worth it.

1453
01:41:38.039 --> 01:41:41.399
This cut scene is fucking rocks.
This this like battle cut scene at

1454
01:41:41.439 --> 01:41:43.560
the end. Here, this is
great. This is everything I want from

1455
01:41:43.560 --> 01:41:45.119
a Diablo game. All right,
let's do this, Let's wrap this thing

1456
01:41:45.199 --> 01:41:49.159
up. And I did I do
miss those days when I was getting to

1457
01:41:49.239 --> 01:41:53.479
an endgame cut scene. I was
like, this is sweet. Yeah,

1458
01:41:53.640 --> 01:41:57.880
this is sick. This is what
I'm here for. I played I think

1459
01:41:57.880 --> 01:42:02.119
about the same as you, Jake, like fifteen hours Diablo four and d

1460
01:42:03.039 --> 01:42:10.960
okay. I played with a friend
and he was like, yeah, of

1461
01:42:11.000 --> 01:42:14.920
course you picked the road. I
should say, if I have the option

1462
01:42:15.000 --> 01:42:20.039
to go like Ranger Wilderness Expert with
animals, I go for that. Um.

1463
01:42:21.079 --> 01:42:27.039
I I got to a point in
diabofore where I started to see as

1464
01:42:27.079 --> 01:42:30.680
someone who used to play a lot
of live service games, I got to

1465
01:42:30.760 --> 01:42:33.199
the point where I started to see
where they could put the live service stuff,

1466
01:42:33.239 --> 01:42:39.680
and I started to see where they
were starting the long tail of certain

1467
01:42:39.720 --> 01:42:43.479
quest or certain activities, et cetera
for long service. And then I've been

1468
01:42:43.520 --> 01:42:46.199
watching the Uh, if you're listening
to this episode, this will be up

1469
01:42:46.199 --> 01:42:50.920
in the seventeenth On the twentieth,
Season one for Diablo four starts, so

1470
01:42:51.239 --> 01:42:57.960
for those who don't know you,
basically, much like Diablo three, you

1471
01:42:58.119 --> 01:43:02.039
have to restart each season and with
a new character. However, the catch,

1472
01:43:02.319 --> 01:43:09.039
or rather the boon of completing the
campaign now is that once you complete

1473
01:43:09.079 --> 01:43:13.560
the campaign the story in Diable four, you can restart with the new character

1474
01:43:13.720 --> 01:43:15.880
and then one season one starts,
skip the campaign, so jump right into

1475
01:43:15.920 --> 01:43:23.399
season one. Immediately I started to
see more and more how they had shaped

1476
01:43:23.439 --> 01:43:27.159
this as a live service game,
and I have. Like I said,

1477
01:43:27.600 --> 01:43:30.880
I played back in the day,
I played a lot of war Frame.

1478
01:43:30.359 --> 01:43:33.960
I used to play a lot of
Destiny. I don't play those games anymore.

1479
01:43:34.119 --> 01:43:36.479
You don't play war Frame anymore,
No, I haven't for the last

1480
01:43:36.520 --> 01:43:41.119
three years. In Diable four,
I think at a certain point hit me

1481
01:43:41.199 --> 01:43:46.680
as the kind of game I could
play a lot of, and I was

1482
01:43:46.720 --> 01:43:53.199
appreciating much of the foundation they laid
with the initial release, like, okay,

1483
01:43:53.239 --> 01:43:55.800
cool, I think, by all
accounts, this is a good game.

1484
01:43:56.079 --> 01:44:00.600
I do see where they could take
this with season one and onward.

1485
01:44:00.760 --> 01:44:04.520
But at a certain point I was
actually just like, Okay, you know

1486
01:44:04.600 --> 01:44:08.880
what, let's just enjoy the story. I think I don't even know where

1487
01:44:08.880 --> 01:44:11.479
I've gotten to in the story.
I don't know that I'll go back and

1488
01:44:11.520 --> 01:44:14.560
finish it, but I do.
I did catch myself saying, okay,

1489
01:44:14.720 --> 01:44:17.920
this, I'm actually enjoying this for
what it is, this self contained campaign,

1490
01:44:17.960 --> 01:44:23.960
them playing as this Druid. These
cut scenes are pretty badass. Anytime

1491
01:44:24.000 --> 01:44:30.079
I see any of them, I
just I don't I'm like resisting going back

1492
01:44:30.319 --> 01:44:34.199
for a season one, etc.
Or rather finishing this current campaign with the

1493
01:44:34.279 --> 01:44:39.520
Druid and going back for season one
with a new character, but I still

1494
01:44:39.720 --> 01:44:44.239
think that game is well made.
It's well crafted, it's it's it's punchy,

1495
01:44:44.479 --> 01:44:50.159
it's satisfying. I actually think the
challenge level is better than Diablo three

1496
01:44:50.319 --> 01:44:55.800
was, and I've played a whole
Like most people, I've played a fuck

1497
01:44:55.880 --> 01:45:00.920
ton of Diablo three on the twelve
platforms it's been released on. But it's

1498
01:45:01.520 --> 01:45:05.640
it's I think it's the combat self
that the character classes are compelling. I

1499
01:45:06.760 --> 01:45:11.279
did start a rogue as well after
I tried the Druid. I still wanted

1500
01:45:11.279 --> 01:45:14.479
to push the Druid farther, but
it was challenging me in a way Diable

1501
01:45:14.560 --> 01:45:18.359
three did not. After playing it
for many years, I don't know I

1502
01:45:18.520 --> 01:45:25.279
was enjoying it, but I definitely
once I started to watch Blizzards the live

1503
01:45:25.359 --> 01:45:28.560
stream they did like two days ago
as of recording, It's like, uh,

1504
01:45:30.319 --> 01:45:34.119
I don't think I can do this
anymore. Right now. I've got

1505
01:45:34.159 --> 01:45:38.119
co workers who are just like champing
at the bit for season one, like

1506
01:45:38.199 --> 01:45:40.600
good for you, this, this
this sounds awesome. This is like what

1507
01:45:40.720 --> 01:45:44.600
I used to feel when war frame
and announce a new character or whatever.

1508
01:45:45.039 --> 01:45:48.600
It's just I don't know that I
have that in me anymore. And also

1509
01:45:48.720 --> 01:45:53.560
like season one's two weeks before Balder's
Gate. So I don't know, do

1510
01:45:53.600 --> 01:45:57.439
you guys think you'll be playing the
Life Service going back to this game throughout

1511
01:45:57.479 --> 01:46:01.039
the years. I'm I'm in the
same boat as you where like I played

1512
01:46:01.079 --> 01:46:04.319
a good amount of this game fifteen
hours or so, and I've really enjoyed

1513
01:46:04.359 --> 01:46:10.640
it. But I I, I
don't know, man, Like I'm kind

1514
01:46:10.680 --> 01:46:14.159
of tired of the loot game,
like the loot grind in general, Like

1515
01:46:14.439 --> 01:46:18.159
I just those I don't know that
dopamine that it used to fire off,

1516
01:46:18.279 --> 01:46:20.800
My brain just doesn't fire off.
And I'm like, Okay, now I

1517
01:46:20.880 --> 01:46:24.760
just have to jump in a menu
and figure out what I should use,

1518
01:46:24.960 --> 01:46:28.880
and I don't want to do that. But like you said, I think

1519
01:46:28.880 --> 01:46:30.840
it's a very well made game.
I'm having fun when I play with friends,

1520
01:46:30.920 --> 01:46:34.600
like you know, like it's it. It's a good like mindless.

1521
01:46:35.239 --> 01:46:38.640
Mindless sounds bad, but it is
just kind of like you know, I'm

1522
01:46:38.640 --> 01:46:43.239
just gonna get in with friends and
we're gonna talk shit and kill skeletons or

1523
01:46:43.399 --> 01:46:46.399
zombies or whatever, and it's fun
there. But like, I don't think

1524
01:46:46.399 --> 01:46:50.199
i'd played this by myself, you
know, like I just just yeah,

1525
01:46:53.039 --> 01:46:58.039
my brain just isn't compatible with it
anymore. I think for Jabla form,

1526
01:46:58.119 --> 01:47:02.279
my problem became the um too much
loot. It was too much like the

1527
01:47:02.560 --> 01:47:09.359
amount of quality loot to like my
bags would get full halfway through a dungeon

1528
01:47:09.479 --> 01:47:13.239
run and I just have to teleport
back to the Blacksmith, break them all

1529
01:47:13.319 --> 01:47:15.520
down, teleport back into the dungeon, and just keep going. And I

1530
01:47:15.680 --> 01:47:21.039
just found myself coming out of a
dungeon run with one thing. Maybe if

1531
01:47:21.119 --> 01:47:25.239
that that, I was like,
great, that was you know, it

1532
01:47:25.319 --> 01:47:28.000
didn't. It didn't feel that And
I think that's probably different in the post

1533
01:47:28.079 --> 01:47:30.800
game or we're in World Tier three
once you know, I accelerated. It

1534
01:47:31.000 --> 01:47:34.960
really felt like the campaign, aside
from getting your narrative fix, was an

1535
01:47:35.039 --> 01:47:39.359
on ramp to get you into the
real game, you know, the real

1536
01:47:39.520 --> 01:47:44.039
Dibbo four starts here kind of thing. It's it was just too much like

1537
01:47:44.880 --> 01:47:46.720
if you picked up everything, your
bags would just constantly be full, and

1538
01:47:46.800 --> 01:47:49.960
it was like a weird thing of
doing this narrative run and you're like,

1539
01:47:50.000 --> 01:47:51.880
oh, hold on, hold on, I just gotta go back and sell.

1540
01:47:53.079 --> 01:47:55.119
I gotta sell some stuff. I'll
be right back. Everybody, stay

1541
01:47:55.239 --> 01:47:57.920
right here. It's gonna run out. Like when we were playing, I

1542
01:47:58.039 --> 01:48:00.279
was playing with Alex and Brad on
a stream would just like vatish out of

1543
01:48:00.319 --> 01:48:04.800
a dungeon and be like leave them
in a battle because I'm like just unloading

1544
01:48:04.960 --> 01:48:09.079
loot back at the vendor and they'd
be like, Hey, what'd you guys

1545
01:48:09.119 --> 01:48:12.680
get up to down here? We're
like we're in this fight. Where the

1546
01:48:12.720 --> 01:48:14.319
hell did you go? It's like, my bag, befoll, Why am

1547
01:48:14.359 --> 01:48:15.439
I even playing this game if I
can't pick up loot, you know,

1548
01:48:15.640 --> 01:48:19.399
Like it's not like I'm gonna keep
marching forward and leaving stuff on the ground.

1549
01:48:20.680 --> 01:48:26.439
So I didn't like dislike my time, but I had to push myself

1550
01:48:26.479 --> 01:48:30.039
to finish it. It's and my
We just had some time off. We

1551
01:48:30.159 --> 01:48:32.359
took a week off at an Excellander
and I was like, what I want

1552
01:48:32.359 --> 01:48:35.279
to do is I want to finish
the campaign and Diabla four and I want

1553
01:48:35.319 --> 01:48:40.880
to try and finish the main story
in Tears of the Kingdom because I'm trying

1554
01:48:40.920 --> 01:48:45.680
to clear clear some ground for boulders
Gate and Starfield coming up, right,

1555
01:48:45.720 --> 01:48:49.800
So I kind of want these narrative
parts at least off my plate, and

1556
01:48:49.960 --> 01:48:55.159
so Diable four saw the narrative through
on that was very happy with that.

1557
01:48:55.279 --> 01:48:57.640
I might go back in. I
will go back in and check out season

1558
01:48:57.720 --> 01:49:00.760
one when it hits, just to
see what's happening. And there are a

1559
01:49:00.840 --> 01:49:02.920
lot of events out there even once
you finish the campaign, aside from the

1560
01:49:03.039 --> 01:49:08.640
Battle Pass or season and then Tears
of the Kingdom. You know, I

1561
01:49:08.800 --> 01:49:13.880
didn't. I've got the objective on
High Rule Castle and they're basically like,

1562
01:49:14.439 --> 01:49:17.479
go do your business, and I'm
like, great for me. That feels

1563
01:49:17.520 --> 01:49:21.520
like I finished the story. Like
do I run around the rest of High

1564
01:49:21.600 --> 01:49:27.359
Rule and go do a hundred shrines
and everything else? Because I do enjoy

1565
01:49:27.479 --> 01:49:31.079
that stuff. But at this point
where I'm at with Tears of the Kingdom,

1566
01:49:31.079 --> 01:49:35.720
have you guys finished Tears of the
Kingdom? Okay, so I'm not

1567
01:49:35.800 --> 01:49:40.680
gonna get into spoilers, but I
basically have found all the glyphs, I

1568
01:49:41.000 --> 01:49:45.079
have the Master Sword. Everybody's ready
for me to stop evil, and I'm

1569
01:49:45.119 --> 01:49:51.119
like cool. That feels like I
have seen a lot of the story.

1570
01:49:51.359 --> 01:49:56.479
And I said this. We just
recorded our podcast for Next Leonard today too.

1571
01:49:57.520 --> 01:50:01.199
I genuinely have enjoyed the story.
It beats in Tears of the Kingdom

1572
01:50:01.399 --> 01:50:04.079
same and I had to be like, I was almost like, you know,

1573
01:50:04.159 --> 01:50:06.159
for a Zelda game, like you
no, not for a Zelda game.

1574
01:50:06.199 --> 01:50:13.279
I actually, I'm not gonna say
I was overly moved, but it

1575
01:50:13.520 --> 01:50:15.640
is it is a kind of moving
at least where I'm at. Maybe they

1576
01:50:15.760 --> 01:50:18.880
fumble it at the one yard line
once I walked through that game, but

1577
01:50:19.000 --> 01:50:24.880
like, yeah, it's kind of
like, yeah, that's that's pretty messed

1578
01:50:24.960 --> 01:50:30.119
up. That's like, that's like
some some drama happening in this story we

1579
01:50:30.239 --> 01:50:33.960
have seen a million times before,
right, and they added some some darker

1580
01:50:34.079 --> 01:50:36.800
twists in it, and I was
like, that's that's all right, that's

1581
01:50:36.840 --> 01:50:43.520
okay. Yeah. I would actually
say for me, the story, the

1582
01:50:43.640 --> 01:50:46.840
cut scene, the way the story
wraps up when you get all the glyphs

1583
01:50:47.199 --> 01:50:53.920
specifically, that packed more of a
punch than the actual main storyline. And

1584
01:50:54.359 --> 01:50:57.319
it's it's tough to say because they're
actually pretty intertwined. With us pointing anything

1585
01:50:57.359 --> 01:51:01.479
like there are as in Breadth of
the Wild, there are like five big

1586
01:51:01.680 --> 01:51:06.319
storylines that come together like on these
big main or sorry, I'm the biggest

1587
01:51:06.359 --> 01:51:11.000
side quest that intertwined at the end, but finishing the glyphs, I remember

1588
01:51:11.119 --> 01:51:14.159
thinking it was oh cool, that
was well told, Like I like that,

1589
01:51:14.359 --> 01:51:17.520
And I was like the way this
existed in the world in a way

1590
01:51:17.560 --> 01:51:20.359
I wasn't aware of until I did
this, Like, oh that that was

1591
01:51:20.439 --> 01:51:24.920
this the whole time. That's it
was cool. Um, yeah, no,

1592
01:51:25.079 --> 01:51:30.520
I that story. Like, I
think they understood in writing that the

1593
01:51:30.600 --> 01:51:34.159
way I've taken it, you're there
to do the shrines, to go explore

1594
01:51:34.239 --> 01:51:38.920
this world, to just delve into
every nook and cranny you can before you

1595
01:51:39.000 --> 01:51:43.560
give up in the game forever or
as before you consign yourself to realizing you're

1596
01:51:43.600 --> 01:51:45.800
never going to see all of it. That's the game, that's the journey.

1597
01:51:46.800 --> 01:51:53.239
So I think they do. They
did want to just wrap up these

1598
01:51:53.439 --> 01:52:00.199
individual stories really in a satisfying way
without being too grandios about it, like

1599
01:52:00.279 --> 01:52:04.039
it gets pretty grandios. But I
do feel like they understood. They're like,

1600
01:52:04.079 --> 01:52:06.720
hey, we could tie a tie
a bow on certain things here and

1601
01:52:06.800 --> 01:52:11.479
there, because most of these people
are just gonna keep coming back to get

1602
01:52:11.520 --> 01:52:15.159
the rest of these twelve hundred core
ox seeds or however many there are in

1603
01:52:15.239 --> 01:52:18.159
this game. So let's be honest
with ourselves. I will say the ending

1604
01:52:18.319 --> 01:52:21.840
knocks me on my ass. I
thought the ending was was great, but

1605
01:52:23.199 --> 01:52:28.000
a lot of it was, honestly, was just the music, Like just

1606
01:52:29.039 --> 01:52:31.439
the music they used in the last
couple hours of that game. We're just

1607
01:52:31.920 --> 01:52:36.520
incredible. Like it's Zelda music.
It's always good, but in this situation,

1608
01:52:36.800 --> 01:52:43.199
like like almost to the point of
sobbing just because of how how things

1609
01:52:43.279 --> 01:52:45.960
played out and the music they use, because god, it killed me.

1610
01:52:46.439 --> 01:52:56.399
The god. One of the one
of the like best like musical cues in

1611
01:52:56.560 --> 01:52:59.640
any game ever is in Tears the
Kingdom the first time you dive to the

1612
01:52:59.720 --> 01:53:03.760
depth, when you're another guy diving
too, you're about to dive, and

1613
01:53:04.159 --> 01:53:08.960
or when you're maybe you're just doing
the actual quote unquote dive with R one

1614
01:53:09.560 --> 01:53:14.199
and you're plummeting toward the bottom,
not knowing that there's a whole other world.

1615
01:53:14.319 --> 01:53:16.079
And it happens every once in a
while when you're diving to the depths.

1616
01:53:16.079 --> 01:53:20.199
But the first time it happened,
like bassoon and trumpets kick ins like

1617
01:53:20.399 --> 01:53:26.880
born when you like this whole other
layer to the world reveals like I got

1618
01:53:26.960 --> 01:53:30.039
chills there. I was pretty cool
on that game when UM when I first

1619
01:53:30.079 --> 01:53:35.000
started playing, because it felt very
much like a retread, like I was

1620
01:53:35.680 --> 01:53:40.920
like when it when it kicked off, and even the first UM, the

1621
01:53:41.000 --> 01:53:45.880
first dungeon, the first main dungeon, was like, this seems exactly like

1622
01:53:46.000 --> 01:53:50.239
Breadth of the Wild and you are
doing all the same beats and it diverges

1623
01:53:50.520 --> 01:53:54.760
and and it's and I think it
picks up after that and very it's very

1624
01:53:54.880 --> 01:53:58.239
Nintendo. I said the same exact
thing on our podcast too. It's like

1625
01:53:59.319 --> 01:54:01.159
what you could do, it's one
click, Nintendo will do it five.

1626
01:54:01.399 --> 01:54:04.840
You know, it's like everything takes
a little longer than it should or you

1627
01:54:04.920 --> 01:54:08.920
know, it's like this shouldn't have
to be this long, or why did

1628
01:54:08.960 --> 01:54:15.439
you get this thing behind? So
much other nonsense, but I will give

1629
01:54:15.520 --> 01:54:21.199
it to them. On the fusion
stuff winds up working out, like I

1630
01:54:21.479 --> 01:54:26.039
really do enjoy it, because I
really didn't like the durability on weapons in

1631
01:54:26.159 --> 01:54:29.960
Breadth of the Wild, but I
think the fusion mitigates some of that where

1632
01:54:29.960 --> 01:54:31.720
you're like, Okay, yeah,
I hope this thing breaks soon because I

1633
01:54:31.760 --> 01:54:34.640
want to try something else. I
want to I want a new weapon here.

1634
01:54:34.880 --> 01:54:40.479
And then the really motivating factor were
those glyphs. I was just I

1635
01:54:40.600 --> 01:54:42.840
was like, I could not wait
to find the next glyph is be like,

1636
01:54:43.640 --> 01:54:45.800
you know they I guess maybe depending
on what order you find them in.

1637
01:54:47.119 --> 01:54:50.159
You know what's going to happen.
You know it's telegraphed, but you

1638
01:54:50.439 --> 01:54:54.039
still want to see it. You
know, you still want to be like,

1639
01:54:54.560 --> 01:54:56.640
no, I need to see it. I need to see what happened.

1640
01:54:56.800 --> 01:55:00.119
And I think it's the only thing
that is silly to me, is

1641
01:55:00.840 --> 01:55:05.600
um the silent link at that point
in some of those bigger story moments where

1642
01:55:05.600 --> 01:55:10.520
you're like, dude, this is
a big deal, and you're just you're

1643
01:55:10.600 --> 01:55:15.039
just you're You're just doing your ship
and jumping away like this is this is

1644
01:55:15.119 --> 01:55:18.279
kind of huge. Here nothing,
No, you're not even gonna tell anybody

1645
01:55:18.279 --> 01:55:21.199
about this. No, okay,
let's just go let's just go back.

1646
01:55:21.239 --> 01:55:26.439
So some of it does feel a
little like, okay, very link is

1647
01:55:26.439 --> 01:55:29.399
just an idiot link. I hit
on the head one too many times.

1648
01:55:29.760 --> 01:55:34.119
I did buy a house, uh, and you know his absence, Yeah,

1649
01:55:34.920 --> 01:55:40.359
uh, I bought my little modular
house and I'm doing all that stuff

1650
01:55:40.399 --> 01:55:43.439
and I don't know how how far
away am I if I just got the

1651
01:55:43.560 --> 01:55:47.560
thing finished all the dungeons and they
said go into the castle. Is it

1652
01:55:47.640 --> 01:55:50.800
like a pretty quick wrap up or
is it like a red herring where you

1653
01:55:50.840 --> 01:55:55.079
actually have half the game to go? You did all? When you say

1654
01:55:55.119 --> 01:55:57.880
all the dungeons, what do you
mean? Oh? I figured with the

1655
01:55:58.039 --> 01:56:00.039
temples, I did all the did
all four. Yeah, you're you're,

1656
01:56:00.159 --> 01:56:03.920
You've still got a ways there there. That's a bit of a red herring

1657
01:56:04.039 --> 01:56:09.199
right now. Okay, yeah,
okay, I figured it might be storywise,

1658
01:56:09.359 --> 01:56:17.119
another six hours, six to eight
hours really of like mainline narrative.

1659
01:56:17.319 --> 01:56:24.840
There's more, yeah, mainline,
um, dungeons and main quest stuff.

1660
01:56:25.479 --> 01:56:28.439
Okay, so I'm not just marching
into the castle and finished. You're you're

1661
01:56:28.520 --> 01:56:30.840
the majority of the way in,
but you've got a ways to go.

1662
01:56:30.279 --> 01:56:33.800
The Majority's mask, got it?
Yep, yep, nice, thank you,

1663
01:56:34.039 --> 01:56:41.600
Michael, Majority's mask. The game. Um okay, But I I

1664
01:56:41.720 --> 01:56:45.439
will say I think I agree.
Like after getting the glyphs, I felt

1665
01:56:45.520 --> 01:56:47.760
very satisfied with the story. I
felt like, oh, okay, I

1666
01:56:47.800 --> 01:56:53.359
can put this down for a little
bit. Yeah, for a series that's

1667
01:56:53.520 --> 01:56:56.880
dealt with sorry, go ahead.
I was just gonna say, I think

1668
01:56:56.880 --> 01:57:00.840
you'll enjoy the next section quite a
bit, because yeah, okay, it

1669
01:57:00.000 --> 01:57:08.359
is unpredictable to say the least.
Okay, I'm I was debating whether or

1670
01:57:08.399 --> 01:57:11.520
not I was gonna go do like
a shrine tear and just be like,

1671
01:57:11.560 --> 01:57:15.760
should I just go mop up shrines? I had like one of these sages

1672
01:57:15.840 --> 01:57:17.479
Will things. I was like,
I don't even know where I got this

1673
01:57:17.640 --> 01:57:21.079
thing, and like, what do
I even do with it. I've spent

1674
01:57:21.199 --> 01:57:26.880
like no time in the sky Islands. I've been mostly underground and on the

1675
01:57:26.960 --> 01:57:32.479
mainland. I just figured out how, after dozens of hours in it,

1676
01:57:32.680 --> 01:57:36.159
figured out how to increase the size
of my battery, which was like,

1677
01:57:36.479 --> 01:57:41.359
I know you can do this.
It's about I'm just gonna look this up.

1678
01:57:41.439 --> 01:57:43.560
I know you can do this somehow. I'm just gonna look And I

1679
01:57:43.600 --> 01:57:45.520
looked it up and was like,
okay, that's more complicated than it needs

1680
01:57:45.560 --> 01:57:48.720
to be. But they did not
explain it that well either, because there's

1681
01:57:48.760 --> 01:57:54.520
the foundries and there's the uh the
smiths. Yeah, two total different things,

1682
01:57:54.560 --> 01:57:58.720
and they're also in very different locations. Yeah, it's like use this

1683
01:57:58.840 --> 01:58:00.800
currency to buy this other to go
upgrade this thing, and it's like,

1684
01:58:00.920 --> 01:58:03.279
yeah, okay, this is way
more complicated than it needs to be.

1685
01:58:03.399 --> 01:58:06.960
And I do that so much more
elegantly in other areas of the game because

1686
01:58:09.119 --> 01:58:14.159
and I've talked about this d nauseum. It's like it's so good at saying

1687
01:58:14.239 --> 01:58:16.840
okay, cool. To light up
the darkness underground, you need bright bloom

1688
01:58:16.880 --> 01:58:24.000
seeds. Those are all in caves
on the surface. And then once you

1689
01:58:24.640 --> 01:58:31.319
illuminate the depths with bright bloom seeds, you'll start finding zonite zonite largely to

1690
01:58:31.479 --> 01:58:35.039
upgrade your battery, you take it
up to the sky islands, and then

1691
01:58:35.119 --> 01:58:42.119
in the sky islands you find um
the sunflowers whatever the sun plant is that

1692
01:58:42.840 --> 01:58:47.560
sundelions or some sundelions eradicates the gloom. It's like they so many areas.

1693
01:58:47.680 --> 01:58:55.560
They do a great job I think
of facilitating travel between the layers pretty organically.

1694
01:58:55.880 --> 01:58:57.960
But yeah, to your point of
video, it's like, all right,

1695
01:58:58.039 --> 01:59:00.840
why did you they did overcomplicate the
battery things like there's smiths, there's

1696
01:59:01.079 --> 01:59:06.439
boundaries, there's small charges, large
charges charges. The battery itself is not

1697
01:59:06.479 --> 01:59:11.119
actually called battery, even though it
looks like a battery. It's energy,

1698
01:59:11.279 --> 01:59:14.760
but it's not plural. I don't
know. Uh yeah, so like that

1699
01:59:15.000 --> 01:59:16.920
that stuff was you know, it's
just one of those things that's like this.

1700
01:59:17.600 --> 01:59:20.920
I'm I'm sad, I got I
just forgot out how to do this

1701
01:59:21.000 --> 01:59:23.960
this late in the game, because
I would have loved to have cruised in

1702
01:59:24.039 --> 01:59:27.399
my little hot rod. Uh you
know, a couple of pips longer.

1703
01:59:28.119 --> 01:59:31.000
Um the shrines. I love the
shrines where you get to mess around with

1704
01:59:31.119 --> 01:59:36.039
the construction stuff and have infinite battery. Those are always super fun. Maybe

1705
01:59:36.079 --> 01:59:39.479
my favorite parts. Sure, you
guys have talked a lot about Tears of

1706
01:59:39.520 --> 01:59:44.479
the Kingdom, but uh, I'm
I. I think it's cool in some

1707
01:59:44.760 --> 01:59:48.000
parts and a little drawn out in
other parts that it kind of gets in

1708
01:59:48.039 --> 01:59:51.840
the way of itself in some places, but uh yeah, I enjoy it.

1709
01:59:51.920 --> 01:59:55.880
Like when I'm stuck on the ground, just just hauling ass, waiting

1710
01:59:55.880 --> 01:59:59.239
from watching my stamina bar drop down, I feel like I'm playing wrong,

1711
01:59:59.479 --> 02:00:00.439
Like I feel I should be like
I should just build a car. I

1712
02:00:00.479 --> 02:00:03.000
should build a car right now,
or I should just teleport back to a

1713
02:00:03.079 --> 02:00:08.520
sky tower and just fly away because
this doesn't feel like this is not fun

1714
02:00:08.600 --> 02:00:12.000
now I'm just waiting for stamina bars
to come back. Yeah, yeah,

1715
02:00:12.239 --> 02:00:15.119
cool game, Like I can't eight
more hours on. All right, I

1716
02:00:15.239 --> 02:00:23.279
will I will charge into that close. Yeah. Eight might be overexaggerating if

1717
02:00:23.279 --> 02:00:25.640
you mainline, If you just you
know what, I'm just going to finish

1718
02:00:25.640 --> 02:00:28.920
this game, you can probably do
it in four or five. The biggest

1719
02:00:29.039 --> 02:00:31.119
chunk is not far in front of
you. There's a there's a part in

1720
02:00:31.239 --> 02:00:33.720
that story quest where like, oh, this is gonna take a while.

1721
02:00:34.279 --> 02:00:38.960
Once you're past that, it's smooth
sailing. Do they this is not a

1722
02:00:39.000 --> 02:00:40.800
spoiler, or if it is,
feel free to say, like, no

1723
02:00:40.920 --> 02:00:43.199
comment, But do they dump you
back into the world where you can go

1724
02:00:43.319 --> 02:00:46.520
and do everything else? There's like
you load your previous say before the last

1725
02:00:46.560 --> 02:00:51.399
baddle or something. Yead Okay,
okay, somebody, I'll just go and

1726
02:00:51.520 --> 02:00:54.319
just go ahead, because you know, I don't want to get to a

1727
02:00:54.399 --> 02:00:57.680
state where I can't go back and
check that stuff out, So I'll just

1728
02:00:57.800 --> 02:01:00.399
keep going until I get to the
point of no return and see where it

1729
02:01:00.439 --> 02:01:05.920
goes from there. That they are
pretty if memory serves, they're pretty vocal

1730
02:01:06.039 --> 02:01:11.199
about when you're at that point.
Okay, watch out link. Yeah,

1731
02:01:12.520 --> 02:01:15.359
take care of all your business here
before you move forward. Um, well

1732
02:01:15.399 --> 02:01:19.600
cool, do you guys want to
talk do some emails. Yeah, hell

1733
02:01:19.720 --> 02:01:23.840
yeah, okay. As usually,
you can ride into fire Escape past at

1734
02:01:23.880 --> 02:01:28.560
gmail dot com. Questions, comments, concerns, corrections, ladder of which

1735
02:01:29.319 --> 02:01:32.479
I toss right in the trash.
Oh nice, that's firescapecast at gmail dot

1736
02:01:32.520 --> 02:01:36.359
com. Um, all right,
we've got a couple for the night.

1737
02:01:36.439 --> 02:01:44.000
I'll read both of them. Um. First one is from Matt from Connecticut.

1738
02:01:45.039 --> 02:01:46.079
A bit of a setup here,
so bear with me, but uh,

1739
02:01:46.880 --> 02:01:49.960
it's a fun one. Hi,
Mary, Mike and Dan okay,

1740
02:01:50.000 --> 02:01:55.279
Hey, Hi Jake, Mike and
Vinnie. Okay. What is your favorite

1741
02:01:55.319 --> 02:01:59.359
genre of your favorite thing? I
was recently asked this question by a friend,

1742
02:01:59.399 --> 02:02:01.800
and it seemed like such a simple
question at first, but it ended

1743
02:02:01.880 --> 02:02:05.079
up being a lot more interesting.
My first thought was, well, I

1744
02:02:05.199 --> 02:02:09.520
like video games and platformer, so
I guess platforming games is my favorite genre

1745
02:02:09.640 --> 02:02:13.319
my favorite thing. Then my friend
said, my favorite thing is meeting new

1746
02:02:13.359 --> 02:02:15.880
people, and my favorite genre of
that is meeting new people at a friend's

1747
02:02:15.960 --> 02:02:20.439
house around a bonfire. Another friend
chimed in and said their favorite thing was

1748
02:02:20.520 --> 02:02:26.159
drinking wine and favorite genre of that
was drinking wine at the Long Island wineries

1749
02:02:26.199 --> 02:02:30.159
on their annual summer trip with family
so then I realized that the question is

1750
02:02:30.199 --> 02:02:33.159
not necessarily what is your favorite quote
unquote art and favorite genre of said art,

1751
02:02:33.199 --> 02:02:36.880
but what does your actual favorite things
do and favorite genre of said thing

1752
02:02:36.920 --> 02:02:41.920
to do? Okay, yeah,
I still stick with video games is my

1753
02:02:41.960 --> 02:02:45.119
favorite thing. My actual favorite genres
of that was playing co op games on

1754
02:02:45.199 --> 02:02:48.680
Friday nights with my wife while drinking
some bezos together. He said beer as

1755
02:02:48.720 --> 02:02:53.439
I said bezos. So what is
your favorite genre of your favorite thing?

1756
02:02:53.560 --> 02:02:57.680
Love the podcast and everything you guys
do. That's Matt from Connecticut. Anything

1757
02:02:57.720 --> 02:03:00.600
come to mind right away, So
it's like what it's like a kind of

1758
02:03:00.720 --> 02:03:05.760
umbrella, what's my favorite thing?
And then hyper specific, like like dream

1759
02:03:05.920 --> 02:03:13.479
version of that. Yeah, okay, the the perhaps a stereotypical thing,

1760
02:03:13.520 --> 02:03:15.520
I would say. He mentioned drinking
wine in the email. I would say,

1761
02:03:15.520 --> 02:03:18.920
I very much like trying new wines. I'd say my hyper specific version

1762
02:03:19.000 --> 02:03:26.279
of that lately has been Thursdays are
date nights for Amanda and I and we've

1763
02:03:26.359 --> 02:03:30.359
been trying new wine bars around the
city and they're all very fun, especially

1764
02:03:30.399 --> 02:03:32.399
in the heat in the summer.
Get some good white wines. I think

1765
02:03:32.479 --> 02:03:43.159
my favorite hyper specific thing is trying
out new Shennon blancs around New York City.

1766
02:03:43.479 --> 02:03:47.960
The hell is that? Wow?
You too? Yeah, thats gonna

1767
02:03:48.000 --> 02:03:50.479
be fine. Yeah, oh my
god, you're hard pressed to come up

1768
02:03:50.479 --> 02:03:54.199
with a new one. But you're
on the spot now. Oh my gosh,

1769
02:03:54.920 --> 02:03:58.960
man, shennon blanks. You said, right, Okay, so pick

1770
02:03:59.000 --> 02:04:05.479
another grape. They're also great.
South African I usually go. It depends

1771
02:04:05.520 --> 02:04:10.640
on It depends on the humidity of
the of the day. Yeah. Yeah.

1772
02:04:10.680 --> 02:04:13.760
So if it's a if it's a
dry, I will go South African.

1773
02:04:13.920 --> 02:04:15.399
If it's if it's kind of humid
out, I will go with more

1774
02:04:15.439 --> 02:04:18.880
of a French. Gotcha, it's
a good that's a good move. Yeah,

1775
02:04:19.319 --> 02:04:25.159
unless I studied. Yeah, uh. I love eating junk food.

1776
02:04:26.079 --> 02:04:30.760
Nice, I like I like garbage
food. Um. My favorite like hyper

1777
02:04:30.840 --> 02:04:38.319
specific thing is probably U like I
got some alone time and it's like a

1778
02:04:38.479 --> 02:04:43.000
Saturday and it's the afternoon, and
it's just full of potential to make bad

1779
02:04:43.079 --> 02:04:46.000
mistakes, and so it's like I
haven't made them yet, So I'm I'm

1780
02:04:46.079 --> 02:04:49.439
the I'm on the I'm still hungry, and I'm on this side of it

1781
02:04:49.520 --> 02:04:53.800
because after I'm on the other side
of it, it's just depression. And

1782
02:04:54.159 --> 02:04:56.760
regret. But I'm on this side
of it. It's full of potential.

1783
02:04:57.079 --> 02:05:00.479
I've put the order in. I've
got a movie or a new Okay,

1784
02:05:00.479 --> 02:05:04.680
if we're doing our favorite fantasy booking
here, a new game has just pop

1785
02:05:04.960 --> 02:05:10.119
dropped, Like let's just say Boulders
Skate three. I've got I'm alone,

1786
02:05:10.159 --> 02:05:13.560
I've got a carved out whole night
ahead of me when nobody's gonna bother me.

1787
02:05:14.199 --> 02:05:16.399
Junk food it's on its way.
I know at the end of the

1788
02:05:16.560 --> 02:05:20.840
night, I'm gonna be like splayed
out on a couch, groaning, uh

1789
02:05:21.000 --> 02:05:27.359
and in pain, but like for
that euphoric moment before it all happens.

1790
02:05:27.520 --> 02:05:30.800
That's that's my ideal. Like what
is Yeah, yeah, I was gonna

1791
02:05:30.800 --> 02:05:33.439
say it's a fast food. It
sounds like because you're door dashing it,

1792
02:05:33.479 --> 02:05:36.880
et cetera, or it's not candy
or you know, no, well,

1793
02:05:36.960 --> 02:05:41.239
so it's like in the again in
the fantasy booking, it's probably involved some

1794
02:05:41.359 --> 02:05:44.600
kind of bag of chip, maybe
like a really like a red hot um

1795
02:05:45.000 --> 02:05:48.199
those fiery Cheetos, maybe some of
those like the ones that you're really only

1796
02:05:48.239 --> 02:05:55.239
supposed to have, Like yeah,
um, like a massive amount of chips

1797
02:05:55.800 --> 02:06:00.520
it's in the fantasy version, it's
probably multiple fast food joints. Like it's

1798
02:06:00.600 --> 02:06:03.680
probably like, okay, you've got
you've got like a trifecta of like some

1799
02:06:03.840 --> 02:06:09.039
Wendy's, Burger King and some McDonald's
may be mixed in here or something like

1800
02:06:09.119 --> 02:06:12.920
that. Or it's like you just
threw it all on a bad Domino's pizza

1801
02:06:13.279 --> 02:06:15.600
and uh in that cheesy bread or
some somehow made its way in the door,

1802
02:06:16.399 --> 02:06:19.359
and that's a mistake. Once that
guy's in there, it's it's gonna

1803
02:06:19.359 --> 02:06:24.239
be a bad time. So yeah, that all happens and you're and it's

1804
02:06:24.279 --> 02:06:27.479
like right before you dig in,
it's probably the best moment because from then

1805
02:06:27.560 --> 02:06:30.399
on, like I said, you
know, you've just made a cascading series

1806
02:06:30.439 --> 02:06:34.399
of mistakes. You're just trying to
keep your hands clean. Now you're are

1807
02:06:34.439 --> 02:06:38.359
you actually even playing the game?
How are you eating and playing? You

1808
02:06:38.439 --> 02:06:42.079
probably just eat the whole thing during
a cut scene and then you're like okay,

1809
02:06:42.239 --> 02:06:44.479
and it's just a mess. It's
just a mess. But yeah,

1810
02:06:44.640 --> 02:06:48.039
that's it. The world is has
unfurled before you before you eat. Yeah,

1811
02:06:48.479 --> 02:06:50.880
or many paths you could take,
but this is the path I've chosen.

1812
02:06:50.920 --> 02:06:54.399
For the name. I know a
path I'm gonna take, and it's

1813
02:06:54.520 --> 02:06:59.560
it's it's the darkest one. That's
that's the Robert Frost poem. Right,

1814
02:06:59.720 --> 02:07:03.600
Yeah, it's a rogue came upon
two paths. The rogue it took the

1815
02:07:03.680 --> 02:07:08.039
dominoes and the darkest path. I
chose the quarter pi winner, and that's

1816
02:07:08.039 --> 02:07:12.399
what matters up. That's right,
That's right, Yeah, Jake, what's

1817
02:07:12.439 --> 02:07:17.039
your hyper specific So I guess like
genre wise, hanging out with friends,

1818
02:07:17.079 --> 02:07:21.560
I imagine no one would really argue
with that, but genre wise are specific

1819
02:07:21.680 --> 02:07:26.520
wise. I love hanging out with
friends in other countries. There is just

1820
02:07:26.680 --> 02:07:30.399
something about that that is just the
adrenaline kicks in. Everyone's excited. We're

1821
02:07:30.439 --> 02:07:33.600
gonna do dumb shit, We're gonna
drink a lot of alcohol, We're gonna

1822
02:07:33.640 --> 02:07:39.840
just we're gonna be up to no
good. Um, just menaces abroad.

1823
02:07:40.399 --> 02:07:42.760
Yeah, I mean, like you
know, when we went to Paris and

1824
02:07:43.600 --> 02:07:45.800
for siege stuff. I mean,
even when I went to Belgium with Dan.

1825
02:07:45.920 --> 02:07:48.600
But like for my birthday, I
went to Amsterdam invited a bunch of

1826
02:07:48.640 --> 02:07:53.079
friends for my thirtieth and a good
amount of them showed up. And it's

1827
02:07:53.119 --> 02:07:56.720
just like Oh, we hang out
a lot, but now we're hanging out

1828
02:07:56.760 --> 02:08:01.039
in Amsterdam, so we're gonna get
rowdy and it's probably it for me.

1829
02:08:01.600 --> 02:08:03.439
That's awesome. So it's like being
out of your comfort zone with your friends,

1830
02:08:03.640 --> 02:08:07.000
like kind of and a new experience. There's like that adrenaline that kicks

1831
02:08:07.039 --> 02:08:11.680
in where it's like we don't really
know how to get back, and we're

1832
02:08:11.800 --> 02:08:13.720
drunk, so we're we definitely don't
how to go back get back, but

1833
02:08:13.840 --> 02:08:18.840
we'll figure it out, and you
know, every love that's that's right so

1834
02:08:18.960 --> 02:08:22.680
far a knock on wood, it's
funny. I'm actually, if I was

1835
02:08:22.760 --> 02:08:28.000
to go again in a non pretentious
way, it's my my real one.

1836
02:08:28.039 --> 02:08:33.279
I think is also especially nowadays now
that Amanda and my friend groups have really

1837
02:08:33.319 --> 02:08:37.439
assimilated, I really enjoy hanging out
with both of them. But I think

1838
02:08:37.520 --> 02:08:43.239
the specific one is and this probably
will not surprise you, Jake, but

1839
02:08:43.479 --> 02:08:52.239
I like planning, like being the
one to plan stuff. I enjoy that

1840
02:08:52.319 --> 02:08:56.439
surprises you really. Yeah, I'm
like we did the we did the Bachelor

1841
02:08:56.560 --> 02:09:01.159
thing recently, and I actually really
enjoy planning stuff. All of course,

1842
02:09:01.239 --> 02:09:03.600
it always goes off the rails,
and that's half the fun of it.

1843
02:09:03.680 --> 02:09:09.159
That's like the emergent stuff that friends
but like that's right, yeah, um,

1844
02:09:09.720 --> 02:09:15.720
I I do enjoy like I loved
planning our Amanda and I both like

1845
02:09:15.920 --> 02:09:18.119
to plan stuff. She's a project
manager in the architecture world. Um.

1846
02:09:20.600 --> 02:09:24.279
I think that carries over into our
social life as well, where we are

1847
02:09:24.479 --> 02:09:28.880
often the ones who plan out like
weekends or nights, and then when it

1848
02:09:28.960 --> 02:09:30.960
goes off the course, like when
it goes off the beaten path, like

1849
02:09:30.960 --> 02:09:37.560
sure, whatever, But um,
I really enjoy like theory crafting this night

1850
02:09:37.640 --> 02:09:41.359
with friends in my head and being
the one to figure out the general roadmap.

1851
02:09:43.039 --> 02:09:45.800
And if we stick to it and
it's fun, then great, all

1852
02:09:45.800 --> 02:09:48.560
the more credit to me. If
we don't, then cool. At least

1853
02:09:48.560 --> 02:09:52.640
I laid the groundwork and then we
just branched off after a while, like

1854
02:09:52.880 --> 02:09:58.520
uh is it? Matt who wrote
in yeah um, Matt mentioned bonfires.

1855
02:09:58.680 --> 02:10:01.800
Bonfires were a huge part of my
growing up hanging out with friends. But

1856
02:10:01.920 --> 02:10:05.840
like pool parties are always a great
subset of hanging up friends for me.

1857
02:10:07.039 --> 02:10:11.279
Subgenre um, dive bars. I'd
say my favorite bars of friends are always

1858
02:10:11.319 --> 02:10:16.960
die bars. Um, and then
you start talking about my favorite die bars

1859
02:10:18.039 --> 02:10:20.560
like American Trash in the Upper east
Side in New York is great. Columbus

1860
02:10:20.600 --> 02:10:26.840
Cafe in San Francisco is great.
Um, the Gathering Lounge in Liverpool,

1861
02:10:26.880 --> 02:10:30.439
New York, where I'm from,
is great. You can just keep going

1862
02:10:30.680 --> 02:10:33.359
even deeper. Then it's like,
what is your favorite thing at dive bars?

1863
02:10:33.119 --> 02:10:39.920
That sticky table, PBRs, the
six bucks for Tallboy, a PBR

1864
02:10:39.039 --> 02:10:46.359
and a shot of Jamo. Then
below that, it's like not having to

1865
02:10:46.479 --> 02:10:50.560
drink the Jmo somehow sitting out of
it. Yeah that's fair. Yeah,

1866
02:10:50.800 --> 02:10:54.159
yeah, you did it. But
you now you got to figure out a

1867
02:10:54.159 --> 02:10:56.560
way to like you have it.
You know you have it. I'm driving

1868
02:10:56.800 --> 02:11:01.600
tomorrow someday. Yeah. Well,
since you guys are all talking about friends

1869
02:11:01.640 --> 02:11:07.000
stuff, I'm gonna change mine a
little bit too. No you like no,

1870
02:11:07.319 --> 02:11:11.000
like I was going to add to
my fantasy one. I have also

1871
02:11:11.079 --> 02:11:16.039
taken my phone and smash it with
a sledgehammer and disconnected all of the internet

1872
02:11:16.119 --> 02:11:20.239
lines to my house so that nobody
could reach me. I don't want to

1873
02:11:20.279 --> 02:11:24.800
talk to anybody at all. I
wanted to be completely isolated. I've also

1874
02:11:24.880 --> 02:11:28.800
taken my house and I've launched it
into low orbit. Um. On the

1875
02:11:30.039 --> 02:11:31.760
far side of the moon. You
live in a lighthouse at the top and

1876
02:11:31.880 --> 02:11:37.399
you and you press the button and
the lighthouse becomes a rocket ship and shoots

1877
02:11:37.399 --> 02:11:41.399
off into orbit. Or you don't
talk to anybody or your moon right now.

1878
02:11:41.000 --> 02:11:45.199
I am I have just come back
from the moon. The kids had

1879
02:11:45.239 --> 02:11:46.880
to go to swim meet. Yeah, thank you very much. I think

1880
02:11:46.920 --> 02:11:50.479
that's the problem. It's like there's
always something going I've got two kids,

1881
02:11:50.479 --> 02:11:56.520
and there's always something going on,
so it is a constant trying to bookend,

1882
02:11:56.720 --> 02:12:00.399
you know, get stuff in there. So the idea of just this

1883
02:12:00.680 --> 02:12:05.119
isolated time where you could you could
yell as much as you want, I

1884
02:12:05.159 --> 02:12:09.640
can't hear you. I'm on the
Moon's yeah, I can't even I love

1885
02:12:09.680 --> 02:12:16.079
it look like like a dive barum. Traveling with friends actually sounds super awesome.

1886
02:12:16.159 --> 02:12:20.920
That was actually really appealing, Like
I think I everybody probably knows that

1887
02:12:20.039 --> 02:12:24.199
feeling of like if you have a
good friend group, you can kind of

1888
02:12:24.239 --> 02:12:28.319
get out of anything, right,
Like, like, no matter what happens,

1889
02:12:28.760 --> 02:12:31.279
even if you can't speak the same
language the authority figures are speaking,

1890
02:12:31.479 --> 02:12:35.640
You're gonna be okay. Someone will
figure a way out. Summer it will

1891
02:12:35.640 --> 02:12:37.640
figure o. That's all awesome.
Yeah, these are good answers. Yeah,

1892
02:12:37.720 --> 02:12:43.840
thank you Matt from Connecticut. All
right, Next and last one West

1893
02:12:43.000 --> 02:12:48.760
a constant emailer, We very much
appreciate. Hello. So my partner and

1894
02:12:48.800 --> 02:12:52.479
I are have you a kid soon? Congratulations Wes. That's great to hear.

1895
02:12:52.880 --> 02:12:54.760
I'm already looking forward to introducing them
to games in a few years.

1896
02:12:54.960 --> 02:13:05.600
But this had me thinking, what
is your earliest video game memory? Mine

1897
02:13:05.720 --> 02:13:09.720
is sucking at Super Mario Bros.
While my older brothers were very good at

1898
02:13:09.760 --> 02:13:13.680
it. But we specifically, and
this is the weird part, we had

1899
02:13:13.720 --> 02:13:20.880
the Super Nintendo in my brother's bedroom, which and we all set into these

1900
02:13:20.920 --> 02:13:24.239
bean bags and then I had to
sit on this weird lump on the bean

1901
02:13:24.279 --> 02:13:28.039
bag that my brother was not occupying. And the weirdest part was the rest

1902
02:13:28.159 --> 02:13:33.279
of my life until this day.
My parents were always very against TVs and

1903
02:13:33.439 --> 02:13:37.520
bedrooms. They wanted it. They
were like, hey, that's a place

1904
02:13:37.520 --> 02:13:39.560
to sleep, that's a place to
study do homework. To this day,

1905
02:13:39.600 --> 02:13:41.760
I don't like having a TV in
my bedroom. That has rubbed off on

1906
02:13:41.880 --> 02:13:46.680
me. So it's weird to me
and I can't put myself in the headspace

1907
02:13:46.760 --> 02:13:50.399
where my parents maybe this nest was
brand new, and they were like,

1908
02:13:52.520 --> 02:13:54.000
we don't want this in the living
room because you guys will just be sitting

1909
02:13:54.000 --> 02:13:58.119
all over the floor something playing it. So I can't wrap my head around

1910
02:13:58.119 --> 02:14:00.680
why it would have been my brother's
room. But my early this memory is

1911
02:14:01.479 --> 02:14:03.640
just sucking at Super Mario Bros.
And while my brothers had to keep taking

1912
02:14:03.640 --> 02:14:11.079
the controller to progress about me losing
all the lives? It's do you still

1913
02:14:11.119 --> 02:14:16.000
suck at I'm so bad at two
D Super Mario games? Okay, like

1914
02:14:16.239 --> 02:14:20.880
very bad. Um. I also
remember my brothers. I remember getting our

1915
02:14:20.960 --> 02:14:26.359
n sixty four and being terrified of
going into Jabu Jabu's belly, the third

1916
02:14:26.439 --> 02:14:31.880
Spiritual Stone. I always had my
brother Joe do it for me. And

1917
02:14:31.079 --> 02:14:35.279
then the parallel was that, like, oh, it's this coming of age

1918
02:14:35.319 --> 02:14:37.680
story at that point, and then
my fucking stupid, dumb coming of age

1919
02:14:37.760 --> 02:14:41.079
is like I could do Jabujabo by
myself. And then of course I got

1920
02:14:41.079 --> 02:14:45.039
to the Water Temple when I was
like eight, like Joe, can you

1921
02:14:45.119 --> 02:14:46.159
do the Water Temple for me?
It's like sure, just learn to do

1922
02:14:46.199 --> 02:14:50.439
it yourself. It's like all right, and then uh, I finally did

1923
02:14:50.479 --> 02:14:54.880
Acarina by myself for the first time, and now I've played it like I

1924
02:14:54.920 --> 02:15:01.319
don't know how many times. So
yeah, I was Joe. I still

1925
02:15:01.399 --> 02:15:03.000
have to text him, Hey can
you come? Can you drive up from

1926
02:15:03.119 --> 02:15:05.560
Virginia? I got, I'm at
the Water Temple. It's like, all

1927
02:15:05.600 --> 02:15:13.680
right, coming the Pentagon. I'll
come see you in a few kind an

1928
02:15:13.720 --> 02:15:20.239
emergency, Jake. I. So
my parents were very much like, no

1929
02:15:20.399 --> 02:15:24.560
video games for you. Not allowed
to play video games. We don't want

1930
02:15:24.680 --> 02:15:28.840
you to turn into a videot,
which is what they would say often,

1931
02:15:28.159 --> 02:15:31.479
and that seemed like a bad word
to me. I was like, oh,

1932
02:15:31.520 --> 02:15:33.840
I don't want to be that.
But then my cousin lived with us

1933
02:15:33.880 --> 02:15:37.560
for a bit and he played a
lot of Warcraft three or something or Warcraft

1934
02:15:37.600 --> 02:15:39.760
two, I don't know, one
of the Warcraft games. I was like,

1935
02:15:39.439 --> 02:15:43.439
this looks cool, and my parents
were like, you can't turn into

1936
02:15:43.439 --> 02:15:46.960
your cousin. No video games.
And then I went to a friend's house

1937
02:15:46.159 --> 02:15:50.439
and I watched him play Pokemon Blue
and I was like, I want that,

1938
02:15:52.000 --> 02:15:54.399
and I tried to get him into
my parents. I like, no

1939
02:15:54.520 --> 02:15:56.800
video games, no video games,
no video games. And eventually I guess

1940
02:15:56.840 --> 02:16:01.960
I warmed down, and for one
of my birthday, I was coming home

1941
02:16:01.000 --> 02:16:07.760
from school and there was a game
Boy Color with Pokemon Red like all sealed

1942
02:16:07.880 --> 02:16:09.760
in the back seat, and I
was like, this is for me,

1943
02:16:09.840 --> 02:16:13.560
and they were like, yeah,
happy birthday. And then that was it,

1944
02:16:13.720 --> 02:16:18.720
and I just played Pokemon Red for
months, I imagine, and then

1945
02:16:18.920 --> 02:16:22.720
from there convince him to get a
Nintendo sixty four and then play a lot

1946
02:16:22.760 --> 02:16:24.439
of Smash. And now to this
day, the two games I play the

1947
02:16:24.479 --> 02:16:30.119
most or Pokemon games and Super Smash
Bros. Games. So not much has

1948
02:16:30.199 --> 02:16:33.280
changed. I've gotten better at both
of those games, but yeah, it's

1949
02:16:33.319 --> 02:16:37.680
it's what I always come back to, still playing Pokemon Scarlet and Violet even

1950
02:16:37.719 --> 02:16:39.639
though it's buggy as hell, and
I still play Super Smash Bros. Even

1951
02:16:39.639 --> 02:16:43.319
though I break controllers because of that
fucking game. You're still rebelling against your

1952
02:16:43.360 --> 02:16:50.200
parents. Did they ever explain the
one eight with Red and the so with

1953
02:16:50.360 --> 02:16:52.319
the game Boy in particular, It
was because we were traveling. We're doing

1954
02:16:52.319 --> 02:16:58.200
a lot of traveling and they were
like, kid, right, what's that

1955
02:16:58.520 --> 02:17:01.799
You were in Europe a lot when
you're younger. Yeah. My dad was

1956
02:17:01.879 --> 02:17:05.680
a teacher, so he would take
students there during the summer, and I'd

1957
02:17:05.719 --> 02:17:07.840
always go because I don't know.
They didn't know what else to do with

1958
02:17:07.959 --> 02:17:11.319
me, so they got me a
game Boy for that and I played the

1959
02:17:11.479 --> 02:17:15.520
entire plane rides, all the train
rides. Was just absorbed in that.

1960
02:17:16.239 --> 02:17:20.920
That's cool. I did your parents
regret it? Do you think? I

1961
02:17:22.200 --> 02:17:24.760
for a while, probably, But
I think now that I have a career

1962
02:17:24.799 --> 02:17:28.959
in it, they're like, okay, paid off any high school and I

1963
02:17:30.040 --> 02:17:33.520
wanted to play games and they were
like, you got to socialize with people

1964
02:17:33.760 --> 02:17:39.159
or At one point I remember getting
very kind of related, but getting very

1965
02:17:39.239 --> 02:17:45.120
into magically Gathering, a game,
but you know, not not a video

1966
02:17:45.159 --> 02:17:48.239
game necessarily. And I remember coming
home and my mom was like, do

1967
02:17:48.319 --> 02:17:54.479
you think you'll ever meet like girls
by playing magic? And I was like

1968
02:17:54.639 --> 02:17:56.600
I don't know, and she's like, oh, you should probably do something

1969
02:17:56.680 --> 02:18:00.799
else. And then you're like,
you better believe it. Meet Sity.

1970
02:18:01.399 --> 02:18:07.079
She is a blue player. A
blue player, Yeah exactly is how you

1971
02:18:07.159 --> 02:18:11.559
say it. In Magic Gathering.
How'd you build like a blue deck?

1972
02:18:11.360 --> 02:18:16.120
Blue? Yeah? Yeah, I
guess you could do mono. She's mono

1973
02:18:16.200 --> 02:18:22.840
blue. Mom. We're getting married. But yeah, it was travel I

1974
02:18:22.920 --> 02:18:24.959
think that eventually convinced them. But
you know, rest with history, I

1975
02:18:26.000 --> 02:18:28.840
suppose. But now, like your
favorite thing to do would be traveling with

1976
02:18:28.920 --> 02:18:31.760
your friends, and it's like,
you know, that's I feel like,

1977
02:18:31.760 --> 02:18:37.680
you know what I do on the
flight, play Pokemon and Smash nice very

1978
02:18:37.719 --> 02:18:43.079
good. Who's your favorite Smash player
in the in the latest one? Wait

1979
02:18:43.559 --> 02:18:48.280
it's not Kirby No. So I
love all the sword characters, I love

1980
02:18:48.319 --> 02:18:54.399
the fireroom characters. But I think
I'm best with Yoshi Yoshi. Oh wow,

1981
02:18:54.639 --> 02:19:00.600
Sammis Maine. No, no,
it's always been right. Yeah,

1982
02:19:01.000 --> 02:19:05.000
you're a Samma's Made. Yeah.
No, I'm bringing this up because I

1983
02:19:05.040 --> 02:19:09.440
thought we did that happy hour at
game Spot and you played Sammis. I

1984
02:19:09.559 --> 02:19:13.840
thought you gave me ship because you
were a Sam's Made too, zero Suit.

1985
02:19:13.959 --> 02:19:18.159
I played zero Suit. Oh yeah, I'm good with Sammas. Okay,

1986
02:19:18.239 --> 02:19:20.280
you're okay. That's just my way
of bringing it up. It's just

1987
02:19:20.319 --> 02:19:28.559
my way to brag. So I
think my earliest earliest is probably um my

1988
02:19:28.799 --> 02:19:35.319
dad taking a picture of the Pitfall
because you got like a really good score

1989
02:19:35.559 --> 02:19:39.920
and you like, I wanted to
take a picture of the TV. And

1990
02:19:39.079 --> 02:19:43.639
then when we got the picture back
it was just the reflection of the flash

1991
02:19:43.879 --> 02:19:48.760
off the TV. And we got
the picture back a week later. No,

1992
02:19:48.120 --> 02:19:50.680
No, you had to go get
it developed, you know. You

1993
02:19:50.959 --> 02:19:52.319
go, and you go, you
bring it to the place, and you

1994
02:19:52.399 --> 02:19:54.959
get the picture back days later,
and you get it back and it's just

1995
02:19:56.079 --> 02:20:00.399
the reflection of the flash off of
it. So it's just nothing. It's

1996
02:20:00.959 --> 02:20:03.120
picture what you know. I think
we did for a while. I always

1997
02:20:03.120 --> 02:20:07.319
found it hilarious to be like,
oh my gosh, I get this thing

1998
02:20:07.840 --> 02:20:11.840
and then it's like there's no proof
of it at all. Um. I

1999
02:20:11.920 --> 02:20:15.639
have two other ones that are I
have three other ones that are kind of

2000
02:20:15.719 --> 02:20:20.360
mushed together. One is going to
the video store in my neighborhood and being

2001
02:20:20.440 --> 02:20:24.200
the first person to rent a Nintendo
game. Uh. They had just started.

2002
02:20:24.280 --> 02:20:30.520
They put the they gave me the
entire Super Mario Brothers game in the

2003
02:20:30.639 --> 02:20:35.040
box with the instruction manual and just
put it in a manilla envelope and like,

2004
02:20:35.559 --> 02:20:37.520
uh, just like with for two
dollars. Like they didn't really had

2005
02:20:37.559 --> 02:20:41.280
no idea what they were doing.
Uh, And I just took the entire

2006
02:20:41.360 --> 02:20:43.920
box in the game and stuff in
the sleeve and um, and then brought

2007
02:20:45.000 --> 02:20:48.799
back to them obviously, but uh
and that was interesting because they were like,

2008
02:20:48.879 --> 02:20:52.479
oh, you're the first first person. We don't know what we were

2009
02:20:52.559 --> 02:20:58.719
doing here this uh yeah yeah right, that's a long island accent. Uh.

2010
02:20:58.840 --> 02:21:05.799
And the one that is ridiculous to
me is we rented Ryegar my older

2011
02:21:05.840 --> 02:21:09.000
brother and I and we were trying
to get through it and we were pretty

2012
02:21:09.040 --> 02:21:13.879
far in it and it was really
frustrating and my older brother Um took the

2013
02:21:15.120 --> 02:21:18.479
NES controller and it was like,
oh, he just died. And he

2014
02:21:18.520 --> 02:21:20.520
took the NES controller and he like
took it, he like wrapped it around

2015
02:21:20.559 --> 02:21:26.000
his neck. Was like ah,
and he yanked the Nintendo off of the

2016
02:21:26.159 --> 02:21:31.319
shelf it was on and it smashed
into the ground and the tape the cartridge

2017
02:21:31.360 --> 02:21:35.040
popped up and just the screen just
started blinking U. And that was the

2018
02:21:35.239 --> 02:21:41.680
end of Raygar of our Ryegar run
because though you did not get you know,

2019
02:21:41.799 --> 02:21:48.079
checkpoints back then. But my favorite
one is renting Final Fantasy And this

2020
02:21:48.239 --> 02:21:58.120
goes back to my genre moment renting
Final Fantasy and sitting downstairs during summer break

2021
02:21:58.399 --> 02:22:03.000
I think it was, and with
a giant bowl of popcorn and a hot

2022
02:22:03.200 --> 02:22:05.399
chocolate and this must have been the
summer. I don't know why I was

2023
02:22:05.399 --> 02:22:09.000
having hot chocolate, but hot chocolate
in the summer, like you know,

2024
02:22:09.120 --> 02:22:11.719
one of those hot chocolates you put
two packets in it, like get a

2025
02:22:11.840 --> 02:22:16.079
giant mug and a giant bowl of
popcorn. Work in the morning, No,

2026
02:22:16.559 --> 02:22:22.719
right, exactly, and just playing
Final Fantasy like forever, like just

2027
02:22:22.440 --> 02:22:28.680
just enjoying, not having any responsibility, end of metabolism and just enjoying that.

2028
02:22:30.440 --> 02:22:35.159
Have been three or six or I
think it was one? M it

2029
02:22:35.319 --> 02:22:37.719
was. I think it was.
I think it was Final Fantasy one.

2030
02:22:37.799 --> 02:22:43.719
They a Nintendo one get or yeah
like that, technically, whatever you wanna

2031
02:22:43.840 --> 02:22:48.079
call it. Looking back, I
think it's one. I think I think

2032
02:22:48.079 --> 02:22:54.799
it's three. Three in Japan?
Was oh so one American three Japanese.

2033
02:22:56.200 --> 02:23:03.040
I listen, you're on another a
Final Fantasy. I know what you're talking

2034
02:23:03.120 --> 02:23:05.920
about, but I don't know the
math. It was one. It was

2035
02:23:05.040 --> 02:23:07.639
one, Yeah, it was Final
Fantasy one. However, in Japan there

2036
02:23:07.680 --> 02:23:11.840
had been two already, so it
was their three, is that right?

2037
02:23:11.120 --> 02:23:16.840
Yeah? Okay, the first one
that we got was there three technically the

2038
02:23:16.000 --> 02:23:20.719
Nintendo Final Fantasy one with Garland.
I'm being such a big I just moved

2039
02:23:20.719 --> 02:23:26.479
forward. This is you've you've ruined
my memory. I take that one back.

2040
02:23:26.680 --> 02:23:31.159
I uh, it was a yeah, it was my first final fantasy.

2041
02:23:31.280 --> 02:23:33.920
It was the final fantasy. It
was the last one. Um,

2042
02:23:33.600 --> 02:23:37.319
yeah, that one was great.
Whichever one, whichever, never it was.

2043
02:23:37.639 --> 02:23:41.440
Yeah, it was awesome. I
uh, have you played sixteen much?

2044
02:23:43.520 --> 02:23:48.440
No? I played through the demo. Okay, Brad, Brad's playing

2045
02:23:48.479 --> 02:23:52.680
it. He's actually really enjoying it. Yeah, I want to take more

2046
02:23:52.719 --> 02:23:56.719
into it. I like that the
lead designer from Devil May Cry came over,

2047
02:23:58.000 --> 02:24:00.040
so I want to play more of
it, just because I like the

2048
02:24:00.120 --> 02:24:03.959
actual character action combat. But I'm
not played much of it. Um,

2049
02:24:03.639 --> 02:24:07.920
it's very good, but it is
never ending. I'm eighty hours in and

2050
02:24:09.040 --> 02:24:11.120
it has not ended yet, and
I am sick and tired of it.

2051
02:24:11.520 --> 02:24:15.440
Oh my gosh, are you doing
the side quest? Because I've heard there's

2052
02:24:15.440 --> 02:24:18.000
so many I'm doing side quests.
You get to a point where it's like,

2053
02:24:18.600 --> 02:24:22.559
all right, the big emotional final
battle is about to happen. Talk

2054
02:24:22.639 --> 02:24:26.360
to this character and it'll get going. And then it's like, but how

2055
02:24:26.399 --> 02:24:31.440
about you do fifteen side quests first? And I've done them all so far,

2056
02:24:31.559 --> 02:24:33.799
so I'm like, fuck it,
I'll do them. And it is

2057
02:24:33.520 --> 02:24:39.200
eternal. It is You're doing all
the side quests because I'm this far into

2058
02:24:39.239 --> 02:24:43.280
it, might as well. Yeah
okay, but and some of the side

2059
02:24:43.319 --> 02:24:46.360
quests are really good and they pay
off and some don't. Most of them

2060
02:24:46.440 --> 02:24:52.680
don't. But yeah, it's good. It's just very Okay, eighty hours,

2061
02:24:52.799 --> 02:24:54.239
that's a lot. Yeah, it's
a lot of hours. I know.

2062
02:24:54.280 --> 02:24:58.600
Are you playing the first Final Fantasy
sixteen? Who are you playing in

2063
02:24:58.719 --> 02:25:05.399
Japan? That's Final Fantasy thirty three
sixteen two? Okay, second, let's

2064
02:25:05.479 --> 02:25:11.440
talk first, let me Blanc before
we talk French or French or so South

2065
02:25:11.479 --> 02:25:16.559
Africa. Okay, I'm on the
avant garde cutting edge of Shennon Blanc.

2066
02:25:16.760 --> 02:25:20.440
I don't know what pairs of the
Final Fantasy Shannon Blanc. Oh, yeah,

2067
02:25:20.479 --> 02:25:24.280
clearly, clearly. Well, in
Japan it's more Bordeaux. Okay,

2068
02:25:24.600 --> 02:25:28.879
yeah, I think it's more French. Yeah, Bordeos French. Um.

2069
02:25:31.239 --> 02:25:33.600
Well cool. Thank you West from
Baltimore. As always, we appreciate your

2070
02:25:33.639 --> 02:25:39.159
emails. All right, that's basically
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Not a fan of that mouse pad, not a fan of the shirts with

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2082
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2083
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2086
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2087
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give us less than five stars,
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02:26:43.079 --> 02:26:48.520
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2089
02:26:48.520 --> 02:26:52.239
than five stars. I will take
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2090
02:26:52.319 --> 02:26:56.079
I have to. I will admit
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2091
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extra to have it. It's any
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2092
02:27:00.680 --> 02:27:03.280
it comes to your house. Yeah, don't ever read anything next Lander.

2093
02:27:03.280 --> 02:27:07.719
If you get four stars, I'm
showing up your doorstep with a hot pipe

2094
02:27:07.760 --> 02:27:16.000
and piece of punch pie. I'm
no, that's too good. People are

2095
02:27:16.040 --> 02:27:18.440
gonna four star everything that's I want
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2096
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2097
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If they give you four stars,
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2098
02:27:26.280 --> 02:27:30.639
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2099
02:27:30.799 --> 02:27:33.840
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2103
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out, go do that Vinny. Next

2104
02:27:50.520 --> 02:27:52.479
Slander. What do you guys have
going on what do you want to plug

2105
02:27:52.559 --> 02:27:54.879
for the people listening to Firescape.
I would love to tell people that we

2106
02:27:56.120 --> 02:28:00.319
have reached a point in our watch
cast, the movie podcast we do over

2107
02:28:00.360 --> 02:28:03.799
at next Lander where we are celebrating
the works of David Lynch and we are

2108
02:28:03.879 --> 02:28:09.079
watching Twin Peaks for me the first
time, for Brad Shoemaker for the first

2109
02:28:09.120 --> 02:28:11.799
time, but Alex has seen it
before. He's taking us on a journey

2110
02:28:13.360 --> 02:28:16.559
through Twin Peaks and that's very exciting. We episode, the pilots and the

2111
02:28:16.600 --> 02:28:20.440
first episode are up. It's the
watch cast is where we have watched a

2112
02:28:20.520 --> 02:28:26.360
movie beforehand and then we or the
show and then talk about it afterward.

2113
02:28:26.399 --> 02:28:30.520
We don't talk over while it's playing
like some other, let's say podcasts we

2114
02:28:30.680 --> 02:28:33.120
used to do with movies. Um, and it's great, it's fun.

2115
02:28:33.280 --> 02:28:37.479
We just I just watched the second
and third episodes and I'm have you guys

2116
02:28:37.520 --> 02:28:41.280
seen Twin Peaks first season? Okay, the first and second and I stopped

2117
02:28:41.319 --> 02:28:46.319
the second season because okay, but
I want to see the third at some

2118
02:28:46.399 --> 02:28:50.840
point. Ah, there you go. I'm having a lot of like,

2119
02:28:52.040 --> 02:28:56.799
oh my gosh moments with for Deadly
Premonition. Now, um oh, my

2120
02:28:56.879 --> 02:28:58.879
gosh, this is so that's a
lot of fun and you can check that

2121
02:29:00.239 --> 02:29:05.280
out over at patreon dot com slash
next Lander. Um, that's what I'm

2122
02:29:05.280 --> 02:29:09.319
going to pitch along with our podcasts
and all the other fun stuff if you

2123
02:29:09.360 --> 02:29:13.559
want. We talked about boulders Gate
three um, Dave Snyder and I played

2124
02:29:13.600 --> 02:29:18.600
boulders Gate U two weeks ago,
so you can check that out over at

2125
02:29:18.959 --> 02:29:22.719
our YouTube channel, Next Lander's YouTube
channel. Cool. Yeah, we are

2126
02:29:22.799 --> 02:29:24.799
all huge fans and next Lander here
at well. Thank you. We've tell

2127
02:29:24.879 --> 02:29:28.360
you guys all the time, even
if we're telling people that we're going to

2128
02:29:28.399 --> 02:29:31.879
show up at their houses if they
rate you any less than five stars.

2129
02:29:31.959 --> 02:29:35.239
We love next Lander. Vinnie,
thanks so much for coming on and James

2130
02:29:35.280 --> 02:29:37.840
for having me. Jake, thanks
for sharing all those beautiful stories with me.

2131
02:29:39.319 --> 02:29:43.280
That that traveling with friends makes me
want to go book a trip like

2132
02:29:43.319 --> 02:29:46.079
yeah, it's fine, Yeah,
I love it. Maybe to a castle

2133
02:29:46.559 --> 02:29:54.799
somewhere again with Dan. We'll exchange
the money first. Yeah, screaming to

2134
02:29:54.879 --> 02:29:58.200
bank Jake, game spot, you
have anything going on? Game Spot?

2135
02:29:58.360 --> 02:30:01.280
That's where do you want to plug? Yeah? So we just put up

2136
02:30:01.440 --> 02:30:05.000
a Boulder's Gate. Uh, Dev's
breakdown all the classes, So if you

2137
02:30:05.079 --> 02:30:09.840
want to hear them talk about all
the different classes, you should do that.

2138
02:30:09.959 --> 02:30:15.120
And then of course on Giant Bomb, we're doing a travelogue. So

2139
02:30:15.200 --> 02:30:20.760
if you want to see Dan navigate
Belgium, I do. Yeah, it's

2140
02:30:20.799 --> 02:30:28.399
ancestral homeland. Yeah, we met
one of his so called relatives who clearly

2141
02:30:28.520 --> 02:30:33.840
wasn't a relative, and we interviewed
him. He hates taco bell and that

2142
02:30:33.000 --> 02:30:37.360
was a big It's not Dan's relative, that's that was my first thought,

2143
02:30:37.440 --> 02:30:41.639
was not Dan's relative. But yeah, um, that'll that'll be up probably

2144
02:30:41.680 --> 02:30:46.520
a week from now, um from
when this podcast goes up. So yeah,

2145
02:30:46.520 --> 02:30:50.200
if you want to check that out, do awesome. Well thanks so

2146
02:30:50.319 --> 02:30:52.920
much Vinnie for joining us. We
appreciate it. You got it. We'll

2147
02:30:52.920 --> 02:30:56.319
be on the lookout for all the
cool next liner stuff that you're doing.

2148
02:30:56.520 --> 02:31:00.719
We will be back on the next
episode, which will be last day of

2149
02:31:00.799 --> 02:31:03.879
July, July thirty. First,
it's Harry Potter's birthday. It's also my

2150
02:31:03.959 --> 02:31:09.399
brother's birthday. Weird little factoid.
He'll be like forty three. We'll be

2151
02:31:09.479 --> 02:31:13.840
back then in two weeks. Thank
you everybody for joining You could have been

2152
02:31:13.879 --> 02:31:16.479
anywhere in the world tonight, but
you chose to hang out here with us.

2153
02:31:16.159 --> 02:31:20.319
We love you all. We'll see
then, Benny, thanks so much

2154
02:31:20.319 --> 02:31:24.280
for joining. Jake. I'll see
us soon, I'm sure. Have a

2155
02:31:24.319 --> 02:31:24.319
good night. See you guys later