And it hits me, Oh my gosh, this is that triangle. You
know, there's explanation for everything that occurred in the Randelsham Pars incident that doesn't
involve aliens at all. It was completely silent. It comes right over our
heads classics also really standing into clearing. He turned over to my father and
held his hand, and he looked in his eyes and he said, we're
not alone. Hey, hello, everyone, This is Martin Willish, your
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you enjoy today's show. Hello, and welcome to the show on Martin Willishire
host and we have another great evening with a guest from the UK, and
he's going to be talking about his book and he was on a long time
ago and I just remembered that and when I was having a conversation with him
tonight. So a couple of things. You may be expecting that we're going
to have this military whistleblower person that I mentioned last week, and due to
logistics what's going on with his work situation, we weren't able to obviously do
it tonight, and it may possibly be in August, but most likely it's
going to be in September, so stay tuned for that. So this morning,
I have a couple of announcements. This morning, I got up and
right away I see an email from my friend over in Portugal, Chris Ledo
the Lido Files YouTube channel on UAP the work great work he does, and
I saw that he's going to Washington, DC so for the hearing next week.
I mean, there's so much going on, so next week on the
twenty six, so I thought, well, if he is in Portugal and
he's going and I'm in the United States, why aren't Eye going. So
I'm going to be going. My producer and I are headed that way as
unless something goes wrong, we're going to be there next week and I'm going
to run a Tuesday night show from Washington, DC somehow, and so I'm
not really sure exactly how that's going to go. The hearing is on Wednesday,
and I hope to get some interviews with some people at the hearing itself.
So Tuesday, the worst case scenario, Tuesday, it'll be Chris and
I in some hotel lobby somewhere and we'll be doing a live show from Washington,
d C. Otherwise, there may be other people joining us. We'll
see how that works out. Hopefully it should be an interesting show. So
our blog this week is from Charles lear Is. The title of it is
John Keel Investigates a landing and a creature Report in Erie, Pennsylvania. Great
work as always by Charles Lear. He's the author of the Flying Saucer Investigators.
So our guests this evening is Paul Askoff, and he is an author.
He's a long time upologist, Like I said, he was on before
one time. I think he's been looking at this topic for nearly fifty years
or something like that. And I'm bringing him in right now. Hello,
Paul, Welcome, Hi Martin. Then, thank you for having me back.
Oh great, Well, well we sound it sounds like a little bit.
Your audio was fine just a couple of minutes ago, but it sounds
a little iffy. So yeah, so I need you to unplug. I
need you unplug your mic, noal and just use the mic on the unit
itself. It's yeah yea, so uh yeah, go ahead and unplug that
and okay, can you hit me? Okay, now we still have in
trouble. I think what we're gonna have to do is have you go out
and sign back in. Try it. Go ahead and plug that thing back
in and sign out. And I'm not sure what what happened in the matter
of a few minutes, but uh yeah, everything we were waking, uh
fifteen minutes ago, everything was fine. Let's try it again. How are
you right? Okay, I'm good. No, you're gonna have to sign
up. You're gonna have to sign out a stream yard and come right back
in. Okay, and so yep, and so I apologize sometimes things are
beyond my control when it comes to technology. I do get teased about that
a little bit here and there. But so we're going to have him try
to reset his computer and come back in hopefully everything will be fine. And
so while I'm waiting, does anyone let's see in chat we have a number
of people here, if anyone would like to pose a question or your thoughts
on the upcoming hearing. It sounds to me this is my opinion of what's
going on lately. I've been doing the show. It's coming up on twelve
years now and this is my five hundred and sixty sixth episode, and I
think this is the most exciting time of that I've ever seen in this in
the last twelve years. And people are saying that this could actually be a
change, and I feel that as a very strong possibility right now with everything
going on and the whistleblowers seem to be heading toward coming forward, there are
a number of people who are Again I mentioned that the person that I was
supposed to have on tonight. He can't do it for logistics reasons for work.
So he will be He will be back. I mean he's going to
be with us hopefully and most likely September. Okay, here's Paul again.
Let's going to try the audio. I'm Martin, can you hear me?
Okay? This time it's fine. Whatever you did before, don't do it
again. No, no, I'm sure nothing. It's just one of those
things. But welcome to the show. Thank you for rebooting, and thank
you for having me. You bet, And I know it's after midnight where
you're at, So if you would, can you tell the audience who you
are and how you got interested in the UFO topic. Okay, my name's
Paul Ascoff, being into UFOs for over fifty years, I've just written my
own book, and I got into the subject by actually witnessing two UFOs when
I was with when I was a much younger, a child with my brother
and my father. Oh yeah, and so what you how old was that?
How old were you then? I was eleven years old? You wanting
to tell the story, Mark, Yeah, okay, very very briefly,
what happened was my father was very, very strict. I'm not saying it
were cruel or anything, but very strict, and you did as you were
told as a child. Then I'm going back. We were just moved to
a new home. It was nineteen sixty eighteen September, and we moved next
to an old guy, an old war veteran whould only got one lung.
My father had dogs and our neighbor had dogs, and as young children,
our last job of the day, take the dogs for a long walk,
put everything away, say good night mom and dad, go to bed.
That was the routine. We'd put the dogs away. My father was in
the front garden and our home was on the edge of a small village,
very rural location, and you literally walked over the track at the front of
our home and into fields for miles, so you could see a long way,
pretty flat terrain. My father was in the garden and we were looking
due east our house. The front of the home faced due east, and
they looking to the north, the sky was completely covered in cloud and to
the south it was completely clear. Now, my father had a telescope.
He wasn't an astronomer or anything. He just had an interest and liked to
involve the children like parents do. So it was just getting dusk. Now
we've got to think this is nineteen sixty eight, so there was no police
helicopters, there were no news helicopters, no ambulance helicopters. Even the air
traffic was much less than it is now, especially in rural England. And
as this pointing out, a constellation tours in the sky. Two UFOs came
out of this bank of cloud very fast and then just stopped dead. If
you can imagine like a v formation moving out, but one was missing.
So one was slightly to one side and slightly behind the other. I would
say probably at arm's length of the size of a dime. So they were
quite large, really, and there was no discernible shape other than they were
perfectly spherical. They were like balls of pearly white light, moving faster than
they stopped dead. As they stopped, the one that was nearest to the
cloud, you could actually see the light from it reflecting off the surface of
the cloud. And as they stopped, I quite clearly got a voice in
my head that said, oops, we hadn't meant to have been seen.
Now there was no what can I say. My father didn't hear it,
and my brother didn't hear it, but I got it. All I can
say is it sounded like a friendly, masculine voice. But that was the
impression that I got. I didn't hear anything else. And there was still
for a few seconds while they were still, there was no apparent rotation,
no flashing lights, nothing apparently joining them together. They were just perfectly still.
And then all of a sudden they were moving very fast away from us.
No acceleration, no noise. But the one thing that did change was
as they moved, this very small, like a tear drop appeared at the
back. It was almost like there was an atmosphere around them that was sloughing
off at the back. And they remained like that until they moved out of
sight directly away from us. Actually it was towards a coal fired power station
moving due east, so it maybe only had them insight for a minute at
the verymost. And the three of us were sat there, as you can
imagine, milds agape looking at the sky, and the father was the first
to speak, and he did his national service with our RAF and he just
said, well, there's nothing we've got that can do that, and that
was what got me into it. It was how bizarre it was, the
odd movements, everything was so again, for want of a better term,
everything was so alien. It was obvious that it wasn't terrestrial. It was
obvious that it was something far beyond our normal scope. And immediately I wanted
to know the nuts and bolts, how something could move like that, how
something could appear like that? And how come I didn't about it? Why
it wasn't it on the news because it was obviously blatantly insightful. Anybody was
looking to see why Why didn't I know? Why isn't eating the newspapers?
And that was what got me hooked. That was it right? You know?
That is that is something a lot of people that see a UFO I
am, they wonder why it's not you know, like they know that other
people have seen it. Now. I have a friend that he's an appraiser,
antiques appraiser, and we worked together um in Atlanta several years ago,
and I told him that I was doing a show on UFOs and he said
to me, oh, well, you know, I have a story.
And so his story basically was he was having a barbecue out on his deck
this is in Toronto, and they were all, they said, about twenty
people. They were all out on the deck and they heard an after burner.
You know, I mean this jet like speeding really fast, or there
were a couple of jets speeding really fast and right in front of them going
about the same speed was or a little faster, and then it shot off.
I guess was a disc, you know, just a perfect shaped disc.
And he said he kept looking for days in the newspaper and couldn't understand
why. You know, he said, there had to be thousands of people
that saw it. Why it never made the newspaper. That's often times that
happens. But every once in a while, you know, there will be
there'll be so many people calling in about it, you know, calling a
police station about it, and reporters listened to the police scanners and it ends
up getting in you know, a paper or two. Yeah. Yeah,
so you said, you said before we went live that you've had about twenty
five or so sightings in your life, which it's quite amazing. You know,
a lot of people, when I talked to them in the UK,
they say things, well, you know, it rains a lot here,
so we don't see as many sightings as other people may. But I guess,
I guess you've been in the right place at the right time. Would
you call your area a place where a lot of people see something? I'm
not sure that it is, but I think it's another thing. It's it's
like if you can imagine working on a spiritual level, it's something I think
that people naturally have a they tuned into it. If you like there is
I mean, there is the other side of it that I'm always looking at
the sky, so sometime them outside I'm like this, looking around, so
it's been aware of it, which a lot of people nowadays. I like
this looking downwards. I said, yeah, yeah, and they just don't
look at the sky. And I think I'm not saying I'm sort of any
better or any worse than anybody else. I think I'm more aware of it
than a lot of people. And I know that there are UFO hotspots around
the place in the US as well as in the UK, well all over
the world for that matter. And I don't think this where I am now,
I'm writing the center of the country, just south of Leeds City Center.
If any of your listeners nowhere leads leads is. We're about four miles
as the crow flies due south of the city center, so we're in quite
a rural area really, but it's I've managed to capture on with the camera.
I had six or seven sightings and I've managed to video one of them.
But also, now this is something going back to what you just hinted
on earlier. There are occasions where one of the better sightings I saw here
one of our neighbors, and I've got this story in the book, And
one of our neighbors had a little baby boy. So they come round nice
summer's evening, well summer's afternoon, So all the ladies come round and they're
all sat in our back garden having a cup of tea, cooing over this
new little baby boy. I'm trying to entertain his younger brother on the like,
looking at airplanes, looking at birds, playing football on the lawn,
and we're actually laid on the grass, and I noticed a flash in the
sky and this was like they strictly come dancing glitterball that just suddenly appeared.
So I got everybody. There were five adults, two children, and between
us we had it in sight. I would say a good five minutes.
It was stationary, then slowly came towards us, and then it moved off
to the west. And out of the five of us, we had five
cell phones, we had two iPads, and nobody thought to pick up and
take picture. I'll recording the thing, and it was only afterwards it was
live. Well, I didn't take a picture. I totally get that.
And we're gonna have to work on your mic again. But I totally get
that because when I had my UFO sighting, if I had my camera right
with me, which at the time two thousand and seven, I don't even
think I had a camera on my phone, I don't believe I did.
But if I had that right next to me, I was so captured in
the moment that it would be the last thing. But now I'm ready.
I had what I thought I showed here a couple of times. Hey,
UFO, what I thought was a UFO sighting back. I think it was
a boy. The way time flies, it's awful hard to tell, but
I think it was like a year. Nope, I don't haven't. I
don't think I have it here anymore yet. Yes I do have it.
I'm going to show it because what I'm going to have to ask you to
do is I'm going to have to ask you to reboot one more time,
but this time unplug your microphone and leave that off and we'll use the microphone
on your iPad. Okay, okay, So why don't you go ahead and
do that and I'll set this up. So what I as I was saying,
you know, I'm ready now, you know, and I always say
at the end of my shows, keep your eyes to the sky. So
I'm I'm ready and walking along. This was I believe it was over a
year and a half ago. It was possibly September of two thousand and twenty
one, but I'm not sure. Again, the way time flies, it's
hard to say. So I was walking from a restaurant to my home and
all of a sudden, I saw this light up here, and I grabbed
my phone right away. It was extremely windy, and I wasn't thinking it
was a drone because it was so windy, but Mark d Antonio thought it
was most likely a drone. But here it is right here. So anyway,
there's that clip, and I sent it to Mark d' antonio. He
thought it was most likely a drone. High winds I walked over to there
was a It was right by the water, and I walked over and there
was a field, but I didn't see anyone, so I don't know where
it would have landed. But anyway, I for those of you that are
watching the video, I hope you think it's an interesting little clip. All
Right, We're gonna try you. Now you're back again, Hi, Martin.
Can you hear me? Okay? I can hear you, yes,
And I'm wondering if Bill at KGRA can at least boost the audio for you
a little bit, but yeah, try to if you can. Why don't
you get a little bit closer or speak a little bit louder one or the
other if you can't. Yeah, Okay, So I know we're in the
middle of you. You know, he's talking about the different UFO encounters that
you've had over the year, and I don't know if there's is there one
that you know, we'll get into talking about your book and things like that,
but is there one in particular that you would say was the most incredible
one of them all? Well? After the first one, Well, I
got the voice in my head, and I think what happens with things like
that is it affects people because you know that it's it's odd that that shouldn't
be happening. Well, not it shouldn't be happening to our normal physics.
But we had a recent one too, September. Could you speak a little
bit louder, try to Yeah, sure, yeah, no problem. In
September twenty one, I think I put it in the book anyway, and
there was where we live. We live in the top of a small cul
de sac and it was nice summer's evening. All the families when out,
the children were playing, and what had happened was two as you imagine,
we were in lockdown, or we're just coming out of lockdown. So where
Yeah, in the center of England. A lot of aircraft fly over the
top of us from like Germany, France, Holland going over the pont to
you guys. So we used to seeing these flight paths going over us,
and two aircraft were almost side by side going along and that's what got me
attention. We hadn't had much aircraft. Then suddenly there were two together.
But behind the aircraft and behind the small countrail they were leaving, was a
very bright, intensely bright bluey white spot like a bright star. But it
was the middle sort of tea time, you know, like five six o'clock
in the evening, beautiful blue skies, and it was like, I shouldn't
be able to see that, why is that there? So looked on the
aircraft app nothing, just the tool that had just gone, nothing else that,
you know. It wasn't Venus or Mars or anything like that. So
the neighbors came over, got my binoculars out, and when you looked at
it, it stayed probably seventy eighty degrees above the horizon looking in an easterly
southeast from our position. It moved really really slowly to maybe eighty degrees towards
us, and then was stationary again. Now to the naked eye, it
was just a ball. It was just a brilliant point of light. But
when you looked at it through binoculars, it was like a doughnut shape,
like a ring on its end. Now I've got several pairs of binoculars and
we had it in sight for about forty minutes. So in the end there
was eight adults, four children, all five children all saw this. I
even had time to get the reclining chairs out of the garage who were at
the side of because I've got me all Faithful's. I've got a pair of
Carl's Ice ten to fifty binoculars, which I used for everything. But I've
got some Celestium twenty five seventies, but they're quite heavy, so I usually
have them on a tripod or something. But it was nice to be able
to get on the reclining chair to support them and look through that. And
when you look through those you could actually see the donut end on. But
there were lots of what I would call smaller orbs around it that were flickering,
that were coming in and going out, moving about, some of them
really fast, and they left like an afterimage behind them, and it was
really odd. And there was I would say three of as adults saw this,
and I took half a dozen pictures and I put those to write towards
the end in the book. Just fitted it nicely so that all the pictures
that have took it all in the book too. Now, what do you
mean by like an afterimage? When if you look at something bright, it's
a brighter light, and then look at something plain or a wall, you
can see the after image on your rectiness so you get like a contrasting color,
and you could see that behind this when these there was these brilliant tiny
points of light dancing around the Donalds, if you want to call it that.
But it left like an after image on you on your retinylight, like
you could see how I see, yeah, like a shadow almost behind it.
Wow. Wow. Interesting. And besides your book covering this, you
do you do cover a lot of other things, like the possibility, you
know, like the possibility of how religions may take a look at this topic.
Do you at this point, you know, I know you're wrote this
the first edition and then you revised it. Do you feel that that way
basically now or do you feel like we're in a different position than we were
as far as religions go in this topic. I well, personally, I
believe that religion is completely man made, for it's man's interpretation of that.
Now. I'm not saying it's not good to follow your good ethics, good
morals, be kind to people, and that's how we should work. But
the problem is that nearly all religions have been done as a business, and
I believe that's what at the time the biggest Roman Catholicism, the Romans were
in decline, Christianity was on the rise, and it was just a way
of making money. Yeah, all right, well I understand that, and
I'm fortunately we have static again, I'm not really sure understanding what is going
on, and I'm going to ask you, do you have another device beside
your iPod or is that the only thing you can do a show on?
Hey? So, do you have an iPhone connected to the internet? No,
okay, yeah, I'm not sure what to say otherwise, I'm and
it seems like you can plug your mic back in and do another reboot.
But it seems like we may be doing this a little bit and we can
understand what you're saying. It's just static coming through and I'm not sure exactly
it didn't happen the whole fifteen minutes that you were on prior to the show,
and what the difference is. I have no idea, but if you
don't mind, you know, it's probably a good idea to reboot or whatever
you're doing, or a step out of Maybe maybe it would be a good
idea to reboot your iPad totally and uh restart it and think it may just
be the signal possibly they WiFi something like that. Are you are you close
to you? And I'm sorry everyone for this being live while I'm doing this,
but are you near your router? Well, it's just so where it
always is that it's maybe fifteen feet away, so you're close enough, all
right, So why don't you try rebooting? And uh, I think that
you know, we'll just be here waiting for you again. And does anyone
have any questions? If you do, please put that in the chat now.
You're we're going to try to get this straightened out if we ken.
Do you want to try that now and see if you changed any Yeah,
we're just going to try it. Yeah, it's still static now yeah,
okay, Unfortunately you're going to have to jump out come back in again.
So he's still not working. It's still working. It works, We can
understand you. It's just there's a lot of statics that yeah, I'll go
out. Yeah, all right, okay, so um let's see. I
guess i'll ask this of you people that are watching this show live again.
I apologize for this happening. And sometimes it's just unavoidable or unavoidable when things
like this happen. So I guess what I will ask you in chat if
you have any thoughts about this upcoming hearing good bad? Or do you think
it's going to Um? Well, Dave, I know my audio is fine,
but it's the guest itself he has there's some static. Yeah, someone's
asking if this solar flare activity. That's probably it could be that's funny.
Um, But I I'm thinking that things just seem like they are going to
be changing. I just have that feeling now, maybe wrong. I've had
my hopes up before in the past, and I wish we had open lines.
I'm wondering if there's a way I could run a call here. It's
the only thing about running a call here is well I could always edit out
this phone number and all right, well you can go for a while anyway,
and we'll see how far we can get this time. Yeah, but
thank you again everyone for your patients. And we'll see how far we can
get this time before there's any static. And you know, you got to
forgive me. I forget exactly where we're at when you if you remember,
I'm not, I don't. Yeah, we were talking about the amount of
sightings that I've hub and the different areas geologically around the world and where they're
located. And I think there's a lot of these different they call it like
the World's Triangle and the skin Walker Rancher. They put these these attach these
labels to them, and I often think that they're not really triangular, They're
just it's a convenient way of doing things. You know. Skin Walker ranch
is obviously quite famous, but there are many, many more around and I
believe that these are like magnetic anomalies, magnetic anomalies that are worldwide. And
what it does is it affects the electromagnetic spectrum that we normally deal with,
and that's when you get these little pockets of if you like strangeness, where
you get high incidents of UFOs, poltergeist phenomenon, maybe don't among crickteds.
All all up, there's a whole boatload of things. Yeah, you know,
there's there's all kinds of speculation with why these things are in the areas
they are, I know, like the Hazelden Lights, for one, I
think there's some type of geological situation there that may attract I've had um Irwin.
I believe his name is that the scientists that's there arling. I think
I can't remember his name right right right off the bat. He's been on
this show before talking about that. But there are you know there, it's
such a it's such a marvel what these things could possibly be and and and
what they are exactly. We still have no clue at all, you know,
interdimensionals not out of the question for one when it comes to all these
things, you know. So, yeah, that's what I believe they are,
Martin. I think if we go back to our normal electro magnetics spectrum,
that's ordinary matter that we deal with on a daily basis, the actual
acoustic spectrum and visible spectrum that we see and hear and interact with is less
than one tenth of one percent of our electromagnetic spectrum. So you've got you've
got the radio waves, the lower energy and the longer waves at one end,
the visible light in the middle, and then it goes up through ultraviolet
X rays and gamma rays and the higher energy in shorter wave lengths. And
that's what we know about. I believe that this dark energy and dark matter
that cosmologists are now saying it make up the vast majority of the universe that
we deal with and I think this is precisely what ET understands completely. And
they understand the dark energy of the dark matter as well as our ordinary matter,
and that's why you get this crossover and why we get this where we
can't measure it, but they do. And going back to these geographical areas,
yes, there are things happen like a skinwalker ranch and these other places,
and there's a lot of UFOs seen. And I believe because I'll use
the phrase ET, because ET understands it and can control it and manipulate it.
They use these areas if you like, if you want to call them
portals, and they use these portals portals moving from one dimension, which is
one frequency to another. It just happens to go through our ordinary mattic goes
through our electromagnetic spectrum. And that is why we see in experience what we
do. Well, it's such definitely a very good theory, as good as
any I've ever heard, you know, and you know everything is about vibration,
right, you know, really is Here's here's someone just posed this question.
Do they seem to have more sightings in the day and night? And
that's pretty easy to answer. There's more sightings at night, because there's a
lot of lights in the sky that people will report. So I do believe
it's much more sightings during the evening. And um, you know, and
I encourage anyone. I get a lot of email from people that are just
starting to look into this topic. So UM, I encourage anyone to ask
those type of questions. Yeah, can I just go on from that?
Because going ahead, if if you think about it, logically, most of
our business, the business world is doom during our normal office hours and daylight
hours, and we're being byernal that we are. We sleep at night,
and it's natural that our energy is lower. People sleep, so during the
night there's a lot less electron magnetic interference. So not only is it a
lot less noise if you like only electro magnetic spectrum, we're also much more
open to something else that may happen. And I think that's why we get
a lot more sightings at night specifically for those two reasons. Yeah, I'm
hearing static to come statics started to come back, and I well, we'll
carry on and just and just see what happens. But I'm just looking for
questions. If anyone has questions for our guests, please put them in all
caps, and I'll get them to ask him up on the screen. So
I do believe, as you said, you know, the dimensional thing is
a very good possibility. And I remember I had Paul Eno has been on
this show a few times. He runs a radio station out of Rhode Island,
and he's been doing like a mostly a paranormal type show for many,
many years, and he's been He visited at my when I had a guesthouse,
he stayed in that for a while and stuff like that. So his
idea of all the paranormal things, that's how he explained them all, was
interdimensional ghosts, UFOs, bigfoot, cryptids, the whole shebang everything. And
is that my getting? That's more or less what you're feeling is as well.
Yeah, absolutely everything is energy. So everything has its own frequency,
including you and I, your listeners, the computer, yourself in frontal so
everything reacts to everything else. So this is why our thoughts even I mean
nowadays, we're just sort of scratching the surface of this. We could do
ECGs on the heart, we can do EEGs electron capholography on the brain,
and they're able to look at the different patterns and waves. But we don't
fully understand it all. Now you imagine, I'll still use the term et
who might be ten thousand years in front of us, So to somebody that
could be that far advanced and understands that and is able to interpret that.
Because we each person is unique. Your frequency is like a fingerprint, and
everybody's different. And this is why they can pick up on our thoughts.
This is why they can pick up on what we're sort of experiencing where we
are. This is like the screen memories that people have, the abductees,
because they know what we can do, because they know what we're thinking.
And again, going back to the first sighting that hard or one of the
sightings that have is this why why some people remember things differently? Is this
why we didn't take a picture, Why nobody thought to take a picture.
And so there's all these different things that we can't prove it, but that
would explain why we see an experience what we do. Well, you know,
we've only got I don't know another Let's see what do we have here?
We got another ten or twelve minutes here, we're gonna we're gonna keep
moving on here with your static. You static is happening, but I think
instead of rebooting that we're just going to continue on here. And so so
there's a lot of talk about disclosure, and people think that we're close to
it, and even in what Chuck Schumer wrote recently said that it was a
controlled disclosure, which I thought was very interesting wording. So this person here
wants to say, what would force the issue of disclosure? Just your thoughts
from the UK, and do you think that they know enough to disclose it?
Yeah, I think that we will get this drip feed of disclosure.
You'll never find out about Roswell, You'll never find out about Randelsom Forest,
You'll never find out about a lot of these things. Historically, if you
imagine a government, any government admitting that they have no control, that they
couldn't do anything about it under they've been keeping the secret from us. So
I think what they're doing now it was the same with the A tip people
two three years ago, and it's the same with this. And I think
we're getting this feed of disclosure where et UFOs and aliens in general have been
jipped into society to make it more acceptable, and I think we'll get the
same with this disclosure and I don't think it will be a one off thing.
I don't think it will be a sudden thing. I think it will
be a gradual process until it's it becomes publicly acceptable completely if you like.
Someone says, are you aware that that bell specifically states and a plan for
controlled disclosure? Yes, that's what I That's what I heard, which is
very interesting, and I'm going to before I do my trip to Washington,
d C. I'm going to try to find as much information as I can,
so I'm prepared to talk to people there, which is pretty exciting.
So I wanted to bring this your book back here. We have this picture
here, and that's the one that you took that you're talking about. Yeah,
that's the one where there were eight adults from five children. So what
it did was it moved slowly towards us till it was about eighty degrees above
the horizon was stationary, and then it started moving very slowly to the north,
like it moved direction ninety degrees, but really slowly. Yep. And
that was you can just see the tiny spot there that's my neighbor's gutter,
a two story home, and you could just see. But those were others
and now you can just see on those where I've tried to zoom in.
But even then, and this is something that I believe happens with a lot
of people trying to get pictures of UFOs, is because we're not seeing the
whole picture. We're not because the UFO itself is able to use the electromagnetic
frequency around it, so we only see that part of it that's within our
visible spectrum. And that's why you don't get good clear pictures it. Even
Golden sorry about it. No, No to me, that looks like it
looks like a balloon. Doesn't look like a balloon to you. I mean
was that a possibility? No? And why? And why why would you
say not? Because it was intensely bright, It was incredibly fat away that
it was. I mean normally aircraft from the continent flyover those like thirty six,
thirty eight, even forty thousand feet, and it was behind those,
so whatever it was, it was much higher than that. Well, this
is the I was underneath the Chinese balloon, and that's what when that when
they shot it. I people that listened to the show all the time know
that as I talked about it, that I was right underneath the balloon.
And here's some pictures right here as the jets coming along and actually shoots it,
and you can see it's starting to fall. So that was This was
sixty thousand feet when I took the picture from my iPhone, And there is
a similar I'm just pointing out there is to me, there's a similarity between
Oh there is, yeah, but what you have here. Yeah, But
the thing was, Yeah, when you look through the binoculars, it wasn't
like a round balloon. It was a circle. It was like a donut
shape. But the other thing there you go, you can see that was
how it appeared. Oh is that is that it close up? Yeah?
Oh okay, so I changed my whole thought pattern. Now, definitely an
oval. It was a vertical oval. Yeah, I'm looking at it through
the binoculars. That's what you could see. Now. It wasn't gray like
that. It was brilliant white. But the thing was, I have a
telescope, and I was trying to set the telescope up so that we could
observe it better. And literally as I did that, my wife, I'm
one of my neighbors, it suddenly speeded up. I'm zoomed off to the
north. So well, yeah, I mean if it has a reaction like
that, if it's moving fast, and obviously it's not a balloon. So
yeah, yeah, well that's interesting. And that was with witnesses as well.
So oh this is the one where you had all the all those people.
Yeah, yeah, well that's that's pretty fascinating. And yeah, I
can't believe that so many things have happened to you. And there's a there's
proof right there that you do actually get sunny days there. Yeah, it's
the weather's I have to say, just recently for those as being terrible,
but it's uh, it's just something that we live with. And I'm sure
there are areas where you are but get high rainfall as well. Yeah up
north here on the east coast. Yeah, there's a lot of terrible flooding
and rains, Yes, a lot. What So in this book are you
is this? Are you done for writing books? Or do you think you
may write something else? You have something in the works. Well, the
thing is I over reading other books. I mean I've read hundreds of books
like Jacques Vallet, Jenny Randalls. I was sort of brought up on those,
even the old Project Bluebook and Donald Keyhole. Those were the books I
started reading, and then modern day now we're getting a lot more worldwide people
that are doing independent research, which is wonderful. But nothing has changed my
mind, and I think, I like, going back to what you said
in earlier with Paul Eno and the paranormal thing, I do believe that they're
all connected through the electromagnetics spectrum. You get very similar reactions. You get
very similar experiences people that frightened, people that are terrified, whether it's cryptids,
whether it's paranormal or UFOs, it's the same reaction. And it's because
it's the same that part of that frequency, and that's why you get that.
So nothing's changed my mind, and I think over time I'm getting more
corroborative evidence than you know, contradictory evidence. But the other thing is what
I tried to do was just put more explanations in and also more sightings.
To put a few more sightings in just to help people grasp what I was
trying to get over because I think a lot of and nothing against it,
but a lot of investigators and a lot of authors tend to write about a
small part of the pie, one piece of the pizza rather than looking at
the whole pizza, rather than looking at the whole picture. So what I
tried to do, and I'm not saying I've got it all by any stretch
of the generation. Well, it's a way of explaining a bigger picture rather
than just pieces of the puzzle. I was speaking with my producer just yesterday,
I believe it was, and I was thinking of all the paranormal things
that you know, people witness and I've had some things I called a poltergeist,
whatever you want to call it. I had a situation that happened several
years ago. But of all of them, the UFO and possibly being visited
by extraterrestrial almost makes more sense than the others because we are this you know,
blue marble floating in the universe, with so many unknown things that could
actually reach us in so many different, you know, possible ways that we
don't understand. So, you know, I I sometimes don't think that UFO
should be part of the paranormal, you know, because they're they're are witnessed
there, you know, and it just seems that they're more viable than some
of the other things that are you know, pop in and pop out like
ghosts or you know, other things that people talk about par normal realm.
Yeah, but again going back to what I said, that is the et
is so far advanced that they can control that and they're able to control that
environment. You know that they can interact, which obviously ghosts and other things
can't do, not to that extent anyway. Okay, so there's a question
here from Charles. You want to know if you had your videos or photos
analyzed by experts like Mark di Antonio. Ye face, Yeah, about quite
a few unlized Jason Leaves, Yes, I know who he is. Yep,
yet Jason they is a lovely guy and he's unlized quite a few of
mine, and again explained they were solid objects either reflecting the sun and in
the case of that one generating its own light. It wasn't you know which,
which is interesting. But again as another good guy about the we know,
Paul Sinclair, it's the truth with no proof because you physically can't measure
it, you know, and it's very difficult. I mean, look at
the a TIP reports when they gave out the gimbal, Go Fast and Tick
Tack UFOs. All three were recorded on radar on the carrier fleet underneath they
were all three were recorded on the infrared gun cameras and all three were seen
in the normal visible spectrum by the pilots the chained observers. Now they had
eighty eight zero reports like that where they've recorded in three different spectrums, and
you know what they said was, they're not it's not in the national interest,
you know, national security, and that's why the others aren't being released.
But if they've got another seventy seven that they're not showing us, how
how good could some of those be? You know? Right? And you
know, I talk about the spectrum a lot. You know, we only
see a very small part of what is going on around us, you know,
as far as what we can actually physically see with our eyes, and
our eyes are just sending messages to our brains, and you know, there's
all kinds of weird things that can happen with how we create what we're seeing.
It's really interesting and fascinating to me. Thank you so much. It's
been a real pleasure, and I'm sorry to the listeners that we had a
couple of static issues. I'm going to try to copy some of these images
that are in the book that I've been talking about with Paul, and I'll
put those in the show notes. To check that out and stay tuned.
If everything goes well, and I do believe it's going to happen, I'll
be doing a road trip off to Washington, d C. And we'll be
broadcasting from there next week. Thank you very much, Paul, Thank you
Martin. It's been a pleasure, all right. Take care of ye all
right, everyone, So that is it for tonight's show. Again, thank
you, and thanks for your patience with all the technical issues, and remember
to keep your eyes to the sky.