WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.120 --> 00:00:03.160 And it hits me, Oh my gosh, this is that triangle. You 2 00:00:03.200 --> 00:00:07.200 know, there's explanation for everything that occurred in the Randelsham Pars incident that doesn't 3 00:00:07.280 --> 00:00:12.160 involve aliens at all. It was completely silent. It comes right over our 4 00:00:12.199 --> 00:00:18.440 heads classics also really standing into clearing. He turned over to my father and 5 00:00:18.440 --> 00:00:20.600 held his hand, and he looked in his eyes and he said, we're 6 00:00:20.600 --> 00:00:27.039 not alone. Hey, hello, everyone, This is Martin Willish, your 7 00:00:27.079 --> 00:00:31.160 host. And if you're hearing this, you're listening to the audio podcast. 8 00:00:31.320 --> 00:00:36.159 First of all, I do appreciate every single listener, and if you support 9 00:00:36.200 --> 00:00:39.399 the show now, I want to thank you very much, and I apologize 10 00:00:39.439 --> 00:00:42.399 that you actually have to listen to this. If you listen to a lot 11 00:00:42.399 --> 00:00:46.159 of podcasts out there, you'll know that there's a lot of podcasts that run 12 00:00:46.240 --> 00:00:49.960 ads, and I do get approached all the time to run ads, and 13 00:00:50.320 --> 00:00:54.079 when I started this almost twelve years ago, I vowed not to do that. 14 00:00:54.399 --> 00:00:58.520 But I do need your help as the show is quite costly. Some 15 00:00:58.560 --> 00:01:03.039 of the expenses are bannedwidth use, website maintenance, graphics, blogs, audio 16 00:01:03.039 --> 00:01:06.959 blogs, and of course sometimes there's travel expenses. I'd like to do more 17 00:01:07.079 --> 00:01:10.400 of that go to conferences things like that. If you can help us out 18 00:01:10.439 --> 00:01:14.719 for two dollars or more a month, you'll see the Patreon link in the 19 00:01:14.760 --> 00:01:18.719 text below. I would appreciate it very much. Thanks, and I hope 20 00:01:18.719 --> 00:01:26.079 you enjoy today's show. Hello, and welcome to the show on Martin Willishire 21 00:01:26.079 --> 00:01:30.120 host and we have another great evening with a guest from the UK, and 22 00:01:30.200 --> 00:01:34.280 he's going to be talking about his book and he was on a long time 23 00:01:34.319 --> 00:01:38.760 ago and I just remembered that and when I was having a conversation with him 24 00:01:38.760 --> 00:01:44.920 tonight. So a couple of things. You may be expecting that we're going 25 00:01:44.959 --> 00:01:49.000 to have this military whistleblower person that I mentioned last week, and due to 26 00:01:49.280 --> 00:01:56.079 logistics what's going on with his work situation, we weren't able to obviously do 27 00:01:56.120 --> 00:02:01.000 it tonight, and it may possibly be in August, but most likely it's 28 00:02:01.000 --> 00:02:07.079 going to be in September, so stay tuned for that. So this morning, 29 00:02:07.719 --> 00:02:09.240 I have a couple of announcements. This morning, I got up and 30 00:02:09.919 --> 00:02:15.360 right away I see an email from my friend over in Portugal, Chris Ledo 31 00:02:15.800 --> 00:02:22.240 the Lido Files YouTube channel on UAP the work great work he does, and 32 00:02:22.280 --> 00:02:27.400 I saw that he's going to Washington, DC so for the hearing next week. 33 00:02:27.439 --> 00:02:29.719 I mean, there's so much going on, so next week on the 34 00:02:29.759 --> 00:02:34.159 twenty six, so I thought, well, if he is in Portugal and 35 00:02:34.280 --> 00:02:38.319 he's going and I'm in the United States, why aren't Eye going. So 36 00:02:38.560 --> 00:02:43.840 I'm going to be going. My producer and I are headed that way as 37 00:02:44.240 --> 00:02:46.599 unless something goes wrong, we're going to be there next week and I'm going 38 00:02:46.680 --> 00:02:53.080 to run a Tuesday night show from Washington, DC somehow, and so I'm 39 00:02:53.080 --> 00:02:57.560 not really sure exactly how that's going to go. The hearing is on Wednesday, 40 00:02:57.599 --> 00:03:00.800 and I hope to get some interviews with some people at the hearing itself. 41 00:03:01.240 --> 00:03:06.560 So Tuesday, the worst case scenario, Tuesday, it'll be Chris and 42 00:03:06.599 --> 00:03:12.080 I in some hotel lobby somewhere and we'll be doing a live show from Washington, 43 00:03:12.120 --> 00:03:15.879 d C. Otherwise, there may be other people joining us. We'll 44 00:03:15.879 --> 00:03:20.879 see how that works out. Hopefully it should be an interesting show. So 45 00:03:21.080 --> 00:03:25.919 our blog this week is from Charles lear Is. The title of it is 46 00:03:27.000 --> 00:03:31.159 John Keel Investigates a landing and a creature Report in Erie, Pennsylvania. Great 47 00:03:31.159 --> 00:03:38.080 work as always by Charles Lear. He's the author of the Flying Saucer Investigators. 48 00:03:38.400 --> 00:03:43.919 So our guests this evening is Paul Askoff, and he is an author. 49 00:03:44.080 --> 00:03:46.840 He's a long time upologist, Like I said, he was on before 50 00:03:46.879 --> 00:03:50.800 one time. I think he's been looking at this topic for nearly fifty years 51 00:03:50.879 --> 00:03:53.960 or something like that. And I'm bringing him in right now. Hello, 52 00:03:53.960 --> 00:03:58.400 Paul, Welcome, Hi Martin. Then, thank you for having me back. 53 00:03:59.039 --> 00:04:01.000 Oh great, Well, well we sound it sounds like a little bit. 54 00:04:01.199 --> 00:04:03.759 Your audio was fine just a couple of minutes ago, but it sounds 55 00:04:03.759 --> 00:04:09.680 a little iffy. So yeah, so I need you to unplug. I 56 00:04:09.759 --> 00:04:13.919 need you unplug your mic, noal and just use the mic on the unit 57 00:04:14.000 --> 00:04:19.959 itself. It's yeah yea, so uh yeah, go ahead and unplug that 58 00:04:20.600 --> 00:04:26.079 and okay, can you hit me? Okay, now we still have in 59 00:04:26.079 --> 00:04:30.000 trouble. I think what we're gonna have to do is have you go out 60 00:04:30.079 --> 00:04:32.079 and sign back in. Try it. Go ahead and plug that thing back 61 00:04:32.120 --> 00:04:38.199 in and sign out. And I'm not sure what what happened in the matter 62 00:04:38.240 --> 00:04:43.560 of a few minutes, but uh yeah, everything we were waking, uh 63 00:04:43.680 --> 00:04:46.240 fifteen minutes ago, everything was fine. Let's try it again. How are 64 00:04:46.279 --> 00:04:49.759 you right? Okay, I'm good. No, you're gonna have to sign 65 00:04:49.839 --> 00:04:53.560 up. You're gonna have to sign out a stream yard and come right back 66 00:04:53.600 --> 00:05:02.680 in. Okay, and so yep, and so I apologize sometimes things are 67 00:05:02.879 --> 00:05:08.000 beyond my control when it comes to technology. I do get teased about that 68 00:05:08.040 --> 00:05:11.759 a little bit here and there. But so we're going to have him try 69 00:05:11.879 --> 00:05:16.480 to reset his computer and come back in hopefully everything will be fine. And 70 00:05:16.680 --> 00:05:21.959 so while I'm waiting, does anyone let's see in chat we have a number 71 00:05:21.959 --> 00:05:27.680 of people here, if anyone would like to pose a question or your thoughts 72 00:05:27.920 --> 00:05:33.040 on the upcoming hearing. It sounds to me this is my opinion of what's 73 00:05:33.040 --> 00:05:38.399 going on lately. I've been doing the show. It's coming up on twelve 74 00:05:38.480 --> 00:05:45.240 years now and this is my five hundred and sixty sixth episode, and I 75 00:05:45.279 --> 00:05:50.560 think this is the most exciting time of that I've ever seen in this in 76 00:05:50.600 --> 00:05:57.000 the last twelve years. And people are saying that this could actually be a 77 00:05:57.120 --> 00:06:01.120 change, and I feel that as a very strong possibility right now with everything 78 00:06:01.160 --> 00:06:08.160 going on and the whistleblowers seem to be heading toward coming forward, there are 79 00:06:08.160 --> 00:06:12.600 a number of people who are Again I mentioned that the person that I was 80 00:06:12.600 --> 00:06:16.600 supposed to have on tonight. He can't do it for logistics reasons for work. 81 00:06:17.120 --> 00:06:21.439 So he will be He will be back. I mean he's going to 82 00:06:21.480 --> 00:06:27.240 be with us hopefully and most likely September. Okay, here's Paul again. 83 00:06:27.360 --> 00:06:31.240 Let's going to try the audio. I'm Martin, can you hear me? 84 00:06:31.279 --> 00:06:35.360 Okay? This time it's fine. Whatever you did before, don't do it 85 00:06:35.399 --> 00:06:40.720 again. No, no, I'm sure nothing. It's just one of those 86 00:06:40.720 --> 00:06:44.519 things. But welcome to the show. Thank you for rebooting, and thank 87 00:06:44.560 --> 00:06:47.720 you for having me. You bet, And I know it's after midnight where 88 00:06:47.720 --> 00:06:53.199 you're at, So if you would, can you tell the audience who you 89 00:06:53.240 --> 00:06:57.639 are and how you got interested in the UFO topic. Okay, my name's 90 00:06:57.639 --> 00:07:01.600 Paul Ascoff, being into UFOs for over fifty years, I've just written my 91 00:07:01.639 --> 00:07:09.879 own book, and I got into the subject by actually witnessing two UFOs when 92 00:07:09.959 --> 00:07:13.839 I was with when I was a much younger, a child with my brother 93 00:07:13.959 --> 00:07:19.480 and my father. Oh yeah, and so what you how old was that? 94 00:07:20.040 --> 00:07:25.120 How old were you then? I was eleven years old? You wanting 95 00:07:25.199 --> 00:07:29.480 to tell the story, Mark, Yeah, okay, very very briefly, 96 00:07:29.519 --> 00:07:32.759 what happened was my father was very, very strict. I'm not saying it 97 00:07:32.759 --> 00:07:35.560 were cruel or anything, but very strict, and you did as you were 98 00:07:35.600 --> 00:07:40.120 told as a child. Then I'm going back. We were just moved to 99 00:07:40.160 --> 00:07:46.160 a new home. It was nineteen sixty eighteen September, and we moved next 100 00:07:46.160 --> 00:07:48.240 to an old guy, an old war veteran whould only got one lung. 101 00:07:48.839 --> 00:07:54.439 My father had dogs and our neighbor had dogs, and as young children, 102 00:07:54.480 --> 00:07:57.600 our last job of the day, take the dogs for a long walk, 103 00:07:57.839 --> 00:08:01.240 put everything away, say good night mom and dad, go to bed. 104 00:08:01.800 --> 00:08:05.959 That was the routine. We'd put the dogs away. My father was in 105 00:08:05.000 --> 00:08:09.560 the front garden and our home was on the edge of a small village, 106 00:08:09.160 --> 00:08:15.639 very rural location, and you literally walked over the track at the front of 107 00:08:15.680 --> 00:08:18.399 our home and into fields for miles, so you could see a long way, 108 00:08:18.600 --> 00:08:24.720 pretty flat terrain. My father was in the garden and we were looking 109 00:08:24.879 --> 00:08:28.040 due east our house. The front of the home faced due east, and 110 00:08:28.399 --> 00:08:33.559 they looking to the north, the sky was completely covered in cloud and to 111 00:08:33.639 --> 00:08:37.840 the south it was completely clear. Now, my father had a telescope. 112 00:08:39.039 --> 00:08:43.639 He wasn't an astronomer or anything. He just had an interest and liked to 113 00:08:43.679 --> 00:08:48.080 involve the children like parents do. So it was just getting dusk. Now 114 00:08:48.320 --> 00:08:54.759 we've got to think this is nineteen sixty eight, so there was no police 115 00:08:54.759 --> 00:08:58.480 helicopters, there were no news helicopters, no ambulance helicopters. Even the air 116 00:08:58.559 --> 00:09:03.840 traffic was much less than it is now, especially in rural England. And 117 00:09:05.279 --> 00:09:11.879 as this pointing out, a constellation tours in the sky. Two UFOs came 118 00:09:11.919 --> 00:09:16.879 out of this bank of cloud very fast and then just stopped dead. If 119 00:09:16.919 --> 00:09:22.240 you can imagine like a v formation moving out, but one was missing. 120 00:09:22.559 --> 00:09:26.799 So one was slightly to one side and slightly behind the other. I would 121 00:09:26.799 --> 00:09:31.679 say probably at arm's length of the size of a dime. So they were 122 00:09:31.720 --> 00:09:37.000 quite large, really, and there was no discernible shape other than they were 123 00:09:37.600 --> 00:09:43.240 perfectly spherical. They were like balls of pearly white light, moving faster than 124 00:09:43.279 --> 00:09:48.399 they stopped dead. As they stopped, the one that was nearest to the 125 00:09:48.480 --> 00:09:52.879 cloud, you could actually see the light from it reflecting off the surface of 126 00:09:52.919 --> 00:09:58.120 the cloud. And as they stopped, I quite clearly got a voice in 127 00:09:58.240 --> 00:10:03.159 my head that said, oops, we hadn't meant to have been seen. 128 00:10:05.399 --> 00:10:11.480 Now there was no what can I say. My father didn't hear it, 129 00:10:11.799 --> 00:10:15.080 and my brother didn't hear it, but I got it. All I can 130 00:10:15.120 --> 00:10:20.279 say is it sounded like a friendly, masculine voice. But that was the 131 00:10:20.320 --> 00:10:24.200 impression that I got. I didn't hear anything else. And there was still 132 00:10:24.240 --> 00:10:28.480 for a few seconds while they were still, there was no apparent rotation, 133 00:10:30.159 --> 00:10:35.360 no flashing lights, nothing apparently joining them together. They were just perfectly still. 134 00:10:35.960 --> 00:10:39.159 And then all of a sudden they were moving very fast away from us. 135 00:10:39.720 --> 00:10:45.799 No acceleration, no noise. But the one thing that did change was 136 00:10:45.960 --> 00:10:52.159 as they moved, this very small, like a tear drop appeared at the 137 00:10:52.200 --> 00:10:56.639 back. It was almost like there was an atmosphere around them that was sloughing 138 00:10:56.639 --> 00:11:01.519 off at the back. And they remained like that until they moved out of 139 00:11:01.639 --> 00:11:07.039 sight directly away from us. Actually it was towards a coal fired power station 140 00:11:07.559 --> 00:11:11.519 moving due east, so it maybe only had them insight for a minute at 141 00:11:11.519 --> 00:11:16.279 the verymost. And the three of us were sat there, as you can 142 00:11:16.320 --> 00:11:20.200 imagine, milds agape looking at the sky, and the father was the first 143 00:11:20.200 --> 00:11:24.480 to speak, and he did his national service with our RAF and he just 144 00:11:24.519 --> 00:11:31.039 said, well, there's nothing we've got that can do that, and that 145 00:11:31.120 --> 00:11:35.440 was what got me into it. It was how bizarre it was, the 146 00:11:35.639 --> 00:11:39.960 odd movements, everything was so again, for want of a better term, 147 00:11:41.039 --> 00:11:45.480 everything was so alien. It was obvious that it wasn't terrestrial. It was 148 00:11:45.519 --> 00:11:50.799 obvious that it was something far beyond our normal scope. And immediately I wanted 149 00:11:50.879 --> 00:11:56.440 to know the nuts and bolts, how something could move like that, how 150 00:11:56.519 --> 00:12:01.080 something could appear like that? And how come I didn't about it? Why 151 00:12:01.080 --> 00:12:05.600 it wasn't it on the news because it was obviously blatantly insightful. Anybody was 152 00:12:05.639 --> 00:12:11.200 looking to see why Why didn't I know? Why isn't eating the newspapers? 153 00:12:11.600 --> 00:12:16.840 And that was what got me hooked. That was it right? You know? 154 00:12:16.919 --> 00:12:22.039 That is that is something a lot of people that see a UFO I 155 00:12:22.200 --> 00:12:26.960 am, they wonder why it's not you know, like they know that other 156 00:12:26.960 --> 00:12:31.559 people have seen it. Now. I have a friend that he's an appraiser, 157 00:12:31.639 --> 00:12:37.200 antiques appraiser, and we worked together um in Atlanta several years ago, 158 00:12:37.840 --> 00:12:41.919 and I told him that I was doing a show on UFOs and he said 159 00:12:41.919 --> 00:12:45.759 to me, oh, well, you know, I have a story. 160 00:12:45.759 --> 00:12:50.279 And so his story basically was he was having a barbecue out on his deck 161 00:12:50.519 --> 00:12:54.720 this is in Toronto, and they were all, they said, about twenty 162 00:12:54.759 --> 00:12:58.679 people. They were all out on the deck and they heard an after burner. 163 00:12:58.720 --> 00:13:03.200 You know, I mean this jet like speeding really fast, or there 164 00:13:03.200 --> 00:13:07.480 were a couple of jets speeding really fast and right in front of them going 165 00:13:07.519 --> 00:13:11.559 about the same speed was or a little faster, and then it shot off. 166 00:13:11.600 --> 00:13:13.879 I guess was a disc, you know, just a perfect shaped disc. 167 00:13:15.399 --> 00:13:20.200 And he said he kept looking for days in the newspaper and couldn't understand 168 00:13:20.240 --> 00:13:22.799 why. You know, he said, there had to be thousands of people 169 00:13:22.840 --> 00:13:26.559 that saw it. Why it never made the newspaper. That's often times that 170 00:13:26.679 --> 00:13:31.080 happens. But every once in a while, you know, there will be 171 00:13:31.840 --> 00:13:33.879 there'll be so many people calling in about it, you know, calling a 172 00:13:33.879 --> 00:13:37.919 police station about it, and reporters listened to the police scanners and it ends 173 00:13:37.960 --> 00:13:43.519 up getting in you know, a paper or two. Yeah. Yeah, 174 00:13:43.639 --> 00:13:48.120 so you said, you said before we went live that you've had about twenty 175 00:13:48.159 --> 00:13:52.279 five or so sightings in your life, which it's quite amazing. You know, 176 00:13:52.559 --> 00:13:54.399 a lot of people, when I talked to them in the UK, 177 00:13:54.000 --> 00:13:56.080 they say things, well, you know, it rains a lot here, 178 00:13:56.120 --> 00:14:01.279 so we don't see as many sightings as other people may. But I guess, 179 00:14:01.320 --> 00:14:03.559 I guess you've been in the right place at the right time. Would 180 00:14:03.559 --> 00:14:09.559 you call your area a place where a lot of people see something? I'm 181 00:14:09.600 --> 00:14:16.159 not sure that it is, but I think it's another thing. It's it's 182 00:14:16.200 --> 00:14:20.639 like if you can imagine working on a spiritual level, it's something I think 183 00:14:20.639 --> 00:14:28.879 that people naturally have a they tuned into it. If you like there is 184 00:14:28.919 --> 00:14:31.639 I mean, there is the other side of it that I'm always looking at 185 00:14:31.639 --> 00:14:35.480 the sky, so sometime them outside I'm like this, looking around, so 186 00:14:37.159 --> 00:14:41.679 it's been aware of it, which a lot of people nowadays. I like 187 00:14:41.840 --> 00:14:46.919 this looking downwards. I said, yeah, yeah, and they just don't 188 00:14:46.919 --> 00:14:52.759 look at the sky. And I think I'm not saying I'm sort of any 189 00:14:52.799 --> 00:14:56.559 better or any worse than anybody else. I think I'm more aware of it 190 00:14:56.639 --> 00:15:03.000 than a lot of people. And I know that there are UFO hotspots around 191 00:15:03.080 --> 00:15:07.639 the place in the US as well as in the UK, well all over 192 00:15:07.679 --> 00:15:11.600 the world for that matter. And I don't think this where I am now, 193 00:15:11.679 --> 00:15:16.440 I'm writing the center of the country, just south of Leeds City Center. 194 00:15:16.559 --> 00:15:24.840 If any of your listeners nowhere leads leads is. We're about four miles 195 00:15:24.840 --> 00:15:28.200 as the crow flies due south of the city center, so we're in quite 196 00:15:28.240 --> 00:15:37.440 a rural area really, but it's I've managed to capture on with the camera. 197 00:15:37.639 --> 00:15:45.000 I had six or seven sightings and I've managed to video one of them. 198 00:15:45.440 --> 00:15:48.720 But also, now this is something going back to what you just hinted 199 00:15:48.799 --> 00:15:54.159 on earlier. There are occasions where one of the better sightings I saw here 200 00:15:54.399 --> 00:15:58.759 one of our neighbors, and I've got this story in the book, And 201 00:15:58.840 --> 00:16:03.840 one of our neighbors had a little baby boy. So they come round nice 202 00:16:03.360 --> 00:16:08.320 summer's evening, well summer's afternoon, So all the ladies come round and they're 203 00:16:08.360 --> 00:16:12.519 all sat in our back garden having a cup of tea, cooing over this 204 00:16:12.600 --> 00:16:18.399 new little baby boy. I'm trying to entertain his younger brother on the like, 205 00:16:18.559 --> 00:16:22.559 looking at airplanes, looking at birds, playing football on the lawn, 206 00:16:22.519 --> 00:16:26.679 and we're actually laid on the grass, and I noticed a flash in the 207 00:16:26.759 --> 00:16:33.960 sky and this was like they strictly come dancing glitterball that just suddenly appeared. 208 00:16:33.679 --> 00:16:41.279 So I got everybody. There were five adults, two children, and between 209 00:16:41.399 --> 00:16:44.879 us we had it in sight. I would say a good five minutes. 210 00:16:45.200 --> 00:16:48.240 It was stationary, then slowly came towards us, and then it moved off 211 00:16:48.240 --> 00:16:52.480 to the west. And out of the five of us, we had five 212 00:16:52.519 --> 00:16:59.679 cell phones, we had two iPads, and nobody thought to pick up and 213 00:16:59.720 --> 00:17:03.559 take picture. I'll recording the thing, and it was only afterwards it was 214 00:17:03.600 --> 00:17:07.559 live. Well, I didn't take a picture. I totally get that. 215 00:17:07.599 --> 00:17:10.359 And we're gonna have to work on your mic again. But I totally get 216 00:17:10.400 --> 00:17:15.240 that because when I had my UFO sighting, if I had my camera right 217 00:17:15.319 --> 00:17:18.359 with me, which at the time two thousand and seven, I don't even 218 00:17:18.440 --> 00:17:22.720 think I had a camera on my phone, I don't believe I did. 219 00:17:22.799 --> 00:17:27.119 But if I had that right next to me, I was so captured in 220 00:17:27.160 --> 00:17:33.119 the moment that it would be the last thing. But now I'm ready. 221 00:17:33.440 --> 00:17:37.440 I had what I thought I showed here a couple of times. Hey, 222 00:17:37.759 --> 00:17:45.119 UFO, what I thought was a UFO sighting back. I think it was 223 00:17:45.200 --> 00:17:48.039 a boy. The way time flies, it's awful hard to tell, but 224 00:17:48.119 --> 00:17:52.000 I think it was like a year. Nope, I don't haven't. I 225 00:17:52.000 --> 00:17:56.599 don't think I have it here anymore yet. Yes I do have it. 226 00:17:56.680 --> 00:17:59.240 I'm going to show it because what I'm going to have to ask you to 227 00:17:59.240 --> 00:18:02.920 do is I'm going to have to ask you to reboot one more time, 228 00:18:02.960 --> 00:18:07.559 but this time unplug your microphone and leave that off and we'll use the microphone 229 00:18:07.559 --> 00:18:10.720 on your iPad. Okay, okay, So why don't you go ahead and 230 00:18:10.759 --> 00:18:18.960 do that and I'll set this up. So what I as I was saying, 231 00:18:18.400 --> 00:18:21.480 you know, I'm ready now, you know, and I always say 232 00:18:21.519 --> 00:18:23.119 at the end of my shows, keep your eyes to the sky. So 233 00:18:25.079 --> 00:18:29.680 I'm I'm ready and walking along. This was I believe it was over a 234 00:18:29.759 --> 00:18:36.079 year and a half ago. It was possibly September of two thousand and twenty 235 00:18:36.599 --> 00:18:40.400 one, but I'm not sure. Again, the way time flies, it's 236 00:18:40.400 --> 00:18:45.440 hard to say. So I was walking from a restaurant to my home and 237 00:18:45.559 --> 00:18:48.799 all of a sudden, I saw this light up here, and I grabbed 238 00:18:48.799 --> 00:18:52.359 my phone right away. It was extremely windy, and I wasn't thinking it 239 00:18:52.400 --> 00:18:56.000 was a drone because it was so windy, but Mark d Antonio thought it 240 00:18:56.039 --> 00:19:00.720 was most likely a drone. But here it is right here. So anyway, 241 00:19:00.759 --> 00:19:03.799 there's that clip, and I sent it to Mark d' antonio. He 242 00:19:03.880 --> 00:19:10.440 thought it was most likely a drone. High winds I walked over to there 243 00:19:10.559 --> 00:19:14.400 was a It was right by the water, and I walked over and there 244 00:19:14.519 --> 00:19:17.559 was a field, but I didn't see anyone, so I don't know where 245 00:19:17.559 --> 00:19:21.920 it would have landed. But anyway, I for those of you that are 246 00:19:22.240 --> 00:19:26.160 watching the video, I hope you think it's an interesting little clip. All 247 00:19:26.240 --> 00:19:30.079 Right, We're gonna try you. Now you're back again, Hi, Martin. 248 00:19:30.200 --> 00:19:32.400 Can you hear me? Okay? I can hear you, yes, 249 00:19:32.480 --> 00:19:38.119 And I'm wondering if Bill at KGRA can at least boost the audio for you 250 00:19:38.200 --> 00:19:41.519 a little bit, but yeah, try to if you can. Why don't 251 00:19:41.519 --> 00:19:45.480 you get a little bit closer or speak a little bit louder one or the 252 00:19:45.519 --> 00:19:49.920 other if you can't. Yeah, Okay, So I know we're in the 253 00:19:49.920 --> 00:19:56.000 middle of you. You know, he's talking about the different UFO encounters that 254 00:19:56.039 --> 00:19:59.640 you've had over the year, and I don't know if there's is there one 255 00:19:59.720 --> 00:20:02.519 that you know, we'll get into talking about your book and things like that, 256 00:20:02.519 --> 00:20:07.599 but is there one in particular that you would say was the most incredible 257 00:20:07.640 --> 00:20:11.480 one of them all? Well? After the first one, Well, I 258 00:20:11.559 --> 00:20:18.599 got the voice in my head, and I think what happens with things like 259 00:20:18.680 --> 00:20:25.240 that is it affects people because you know that it's it's odd that that shouldn't 260 00:20:25.279 --> 00:20:29.119 be happening. Well, not it shouldn't be happening to our normal physics. 261 00:20:29.720 --> 00:20:33.759 But we had a recent one too, September. Could you speak a little 262 00:20:33.759 --> 00:20:37.640 bit louder, try to Yeah, sure, yeah, no problem. In 263 00:20:37.680 --> 00:20:42.119 September twenty one, I think I put it in the book anyway, and 264 00:20:42.160 --> 00:20:45.519 there was where we live. We live in the top of a small cul 265 00:20:45.599 --> 00:20:49.319 de sac and it was nice summer's evening. All the families when out, 266 00:20:49.440 --> 00:20:55.720 the children were playing, and what had happened was two as you imagine, 267 00:20:55.799 --> 00:20:59.799 we were in lockdown, or we're just coming out of lockdown. So where 268 00:21:00.079 --> 00:21:03.839 Yeah, in the center of England. A lot of aircraft fly over the 269 00:21:03.880 --> 00:21:08.400 top of us from like Germany, France, Holland going over the pont to 270 00:21:08.519 --> 00:21:14.759 you guys. So we used to seeing these flight paths going over us, 271 00:21:15.039 --> 00:21:18.480 and two aircraft were almost side by side going along and that's what got me 272 00:21:18.559 --> 00:21:23.119 attention. We hadn't had much aircraft. Then suddenly there were two together. 273 00:21:23.839 --> 00:21:29.319 But behind the aircraft and behind the small countrail they were leaving, was a 274 00:21:29.559 --> 00:21:37.079 very bright, intensely bright bluey white spot like a bright star. But it 275 00:21:37.119 --> 00:21:41.319 was the middle sort of tea time, you know, like five six o'clock 276 00:21:41.319 --> 00:21:45.359 in the evening, beautiful blue skies, and it was like, I shouldn't 277 00:21:45.400 --> 00:21:48.359 be able to see that, why is that there? So looked on the 278 00:21:48.400 --> 00:21:53.680 aircraft app nothing, just the tool that had just gone, nothing else that, 279 00:21:55.160 --> 00:21:59.279 you know. It wasn't Venus or Mars or anything like that. So 280 00:21:59.759 --> 00:22:03.480 the neighbors came over, got my binoculars out, and when you looked at 281 00:22:03.519 --> 00:22:11.519 it, it stayed probably seventy eighty degrees above the horizon looking in an easterly 282 00:22:11.240 --> 00:22:19.920 southeast from our position. It moved really really slowly to maybe eighty degrees towards 283 00:22:21.000 --> 00:22:26.240 us, and then was stationary again. Now to the naked eye, it 284 00:22:26.319 --> 00:22:30.680 was just a ball. It was just a brilliant point of light. But 285 00:22:30.759 --> 00:22:34.960 when you looked at it through binoculars, it was like a doughnut shape, 286 00:22:36.000 --> 00:22:41.960 like a ring on its end. Now I've got several pairs of binoculars and 287 00:22:41.000 --> 00:22:45.119 we had it in sight for about forty minutes. So in the end there 288 00:22:45.240 --> 00:22:52.359 was eight adults, four children, all five children all saw this. I 289 00:22:52.480 --> 00:22:56.720 even had time to get the reclining chairs out of the garage who were at 290 00:22:56.759 --> 00:23:03.519 the side of because I've got me all Faithful's. I've got a pair of 291 00:23:03.599 --> 00:23:08.240 Carl's Ice ten to fifty binoculars, which I used for everything. But I've 292 00:23:08.240 --> 00:23:15.039 got some Celestium twenty five seventies, but they're quite heavy, so I usually 293 00:23:15.119 --> 00:23:18.920 have them on a tripod or something. But it was nice to be able 294 00:23:18.960 --> 00:23:23.960 to get on the reclining chair to support them and look through that. And 295 00:23:25.079 --> 00:23:30.559 when you look through those you could actually see the donut end on. But 296 00:23:30.599 --> 00:23:34.759 there were lots of what I would call smaller orbs around it that were flickering, 297 00:23:36.000 --> 00:23:40.640 that were coming in and going out, moving about, some of them 298 00:23:40.680 --> 00:23:45.240 really fast, and they left like an afterimage behind them, and it was 299 00:23:45.319 --> 00:23:51.119 really odd. And there was I would say three of as adults saw this, 300 00:23:52.400 --> 00:23:56.680 and I took half a dozen pictures and I put those to write towards 301 00:23:56.720 --> 00:24:03.519 the end in the book. Just fitted it nicely so that all the pictures 302 00:24:03.559 --> 00:24:06.279 that have took it all in the book too. Now, what do you 303 00:24:06.279 --> 00:24:11.440 mean by like an afterimage? When if you look at something bright, it's 304 00:24:11.440 --> 00:24:15.839 a brighter light, and then look at something plain or a wall, you 305 00:24:15.839 --> 00:24:18.519 can see the after image on your rectiness so you get like a contrasting color, 306 00:24:19.119 --> 00:24:25.279 and you could see that behind this when these there was these brilliant tiny 307 00:24:25.319 --> 00:24:29.559 points of light dancing around the Donalds, if you want to call it that. 308 00:24:30.519 --> 00:24:33.599 But it left like an after image on you on your retinylight, like 309 00:24:33.680 --> 00:24:38.880 you could see how I see, yeah, like a shadow almost behind it. 310 00:24:41.359 --> 00:24:47.359 Wow. Wow. Interesting. And besides your book covering this, you 311 00:24:47.400 --> 00:24:51.759 do you do cover a lot of other things, like the possibility, you 312 00:24:51.799 --> 00:24:56.480 know, like the possibility of how religions may take a look at this topic. 313 00:24:56.400 --> 00:25:00.519 Do you at this point, you know, I know you're wrote this 314 00:25:00.079 --> 00:25:06.000 the first edition and then you revised it. Do you feel that that way 315 00:25:06.039 --> 00:25:11.039 basically now or do you feel like we're in a different position than we were 316 00:25:11.400 --> 00:25:19.279 as far as religions go in this topic. I well, personally, I 317 00:25:19.319 --> 00:25:29.599 believe that religion is completely man made, for it's man's interpretation of that. 318 00:25:30.079 --> 00:25:36.240 Now. I'm not saying it's not good to follow your good ethics, good 319 00:25:36.279 --> 00:25:40.680 morals, be kind to people, and that's how we should work. But 320 00:25:40.799 --> 00:25:48.200 the problem is that nearly all religions have been done as a business, and 321 00:25:48.319 --> 00:25:56.480 I believe that's what at the time the biggest Roman Catholicism, the Romans were 322 00:25:56.519 --> 00:26:00.319 in decline, Christianity was on the rise, and it was just a way 323 00:26:00.400 --> 00:26:08.119 of making money. Yeah, all right, well I understand that, and 324 00:26:08.240 --> 00:26:14.839 I'm fortunately we have static again, I'm not really sure understanding what is going 325 00:26:14.880 --> 00:26:18.079 on, and I'm going to ask you, do you have another device beside 326 00:26:18.119 --> 00:26:22.519 your iPod or is that the only thing you can do a show on? 327 00:26:22.720 --> 00:26:29.759 Hey? So, do you have an iPhone connected to the internet? No, 328 00:26:30.240 --> 00:26:34.559 okay, yeah, I'm not sure what to say otherwise, I'm and 329 00:26:34.599 --> 00:26:40.240 it seems like you can plug your mic back in and do another reboot. 330 00:26:40.279 --> 00:26:44.440 But it seems like we may be doing this a little bit and we can 331 00:26:44.559 --> 00:26:48.920 understand what you're saying. It's just static coming through and I'm not sure exactly 332 00:26:48.960 --> 00:26:52.119 it didn't happen the whole fifteen minutes that you were on prior to the show, 333 00:26:52.160 --> 00:26:56.079 and what the difference is. I have no idea, but if you 334 00:26:56.119 --> 00:27:00.599 don't mind, you know, it's probably a good idea to reboot or whatever 335 00:27:00.640 --> 00:27:03.640 you're doing, or a step out of Maybe maybe it would be a good 336 00:27:03.640 --> 00:27:11.839 idea to reboot your iPad totally and uh restart it and think it may just 337 00:27:11.960 --> 00:27:17.359 be the signal possibly they WiFi something like that. Are you are you close 338 00:27:17.400 --> 00:27:21.200 to you? And I'm sorry everyone for this being live while I'm doing this, 339 00:27:21.279 --> 00:27:26.039 but are you near your router? Well, it's just so where it 340 00:27:26.119 --> 00:27:30.440 always is that it's maybe fifteen feet away, so you're close enough, all 341 00:27:30.519 --> 00:27:37.640 right, So why don't you try rebooting? And uh, I think that 342 00:27:38.200 --> 00:27:42.119 you know, we'll just be here waiting for you again. And does anyone 343 00:27:42.200 --> 00:27:48.039 have any questions? If you do, please put that in the chat now. 344 00:27:48.559 --> 00:27:52.960 You're we're going to try to get this straightened out if we ken. 345 00:27:52.960 --> 00:27:55.200 Do you want to try that now and see if you changed any Yeah, 346 00:27:55.200 --> 00:28:00.759 we're just going to try it. Yeah, it's still static now yeah, 347 00:28:00.799 --> 00:28:04.720 okay, Unfortunately you're going to have to jump out come back in again. 348 00:28:06.799 --> 00:28:10.920 So he's still not working. It's still working. It works, We can 349 00:28:11.000 --> 00:28:14.920 understand you. It's just there's a lot of statics that yeah, I'll go 350 00:28:14.960 --> 00:28:19.000 out. Yeah, all right, okay, so um let's see. I 351 00:28:19.039 --> 00:28:25.799 guess i'll ask this of you people that are watching this show live again. 352 00:28:25.839 --> 00:28:30.279 I apologize for this happening. And sometimes it's just unavoidable or unavoidable when things 353 00:28:30.319 --> 00:28:36.880 like this happen. So I guess what I will ask you in chat if 354 00:28:36.920 --> 00:28:42.759 you have any thoughts about this upcoming hearing good bad? Or do you think 355 00:28:42.799 --> 00:28:48.200 it's going to Um? Well, Dave, I know my audio is fine, 356 00:28:48.240 --> 00:28:52.160 but it's the guest itself he has there's some static. Yeah, someone's 357 00:28:52.160 --> 00:28:56.519 asking if this solar flare activity. That's probably it could be that's funny. 358 00:28:56.799 --> 00:29:07.680 Um, But I I'm thinking that things just seem like they are going to 359 00:29:07.720 --> 00:29:11.440 be changing. I just have that feeling now, maybe wrong. I've had 360 00:29:11.440 --> 00:29:15.759 my hopes up before in the past, and I wish we had open lines. 361 00:29:15.920 --> 00:29:22.400 I'm wondering if there's a way I could run a call here. It's 362 00:29:25.319 --> 00:29:29.079 the only thing about running a call here is well I could always edit out 363 00:29:29.119 --> 00:29:34.440 this phone number and all right, well you can go for a while anyway, 364 00:29:37.400 --> 00:29:40.200 and we'll see how far we can get this time. Yeah, but 365 00:29:40.559 --> 00:29:44.680 thank you again everyone for your patients. And we'll see how far we can 366 00:29:44.680 --> 00:29:47.559 get this time before there's any static. And you know, you got to 367 00:29:47.599 --> 00:29:51.519 forgive me. I forget exactly where we're at when you if you remember, 368 00:29:51.559 --> 00:29:55.640 I'm not, I don't. Yeah, we were talking about the amount of 369 00:29:55.759 --> 00:30:03.680 sightings that I've hub and the different areas geologically around the world and where they're 370 00:30:03.680 --> 00:30:08.559 located. And I think there's a lot of these different they call it like 371 00:30:08.640 --> 00:30:15.920 the World's Triangle and the skin Walker Rancher. They put these these attach these 372 00:30:15.000 --> 00:30:19.160 labels to them, and I often think that they're not really triangular, They're 373 00:30:19.200 --> 00:30:26.559 just it's a convenient way of doing things. You know. Skin Walker ranch 374 00:30:26.680 --> 00:30:30.519 is obviously quite famous, but there are many, many more around and I 375 00:30:30.559 --> 00:30:37.839 believe that these are like magnetic anomalies, magnetic anomalies that are worldwide. And 376 00:30:37.160 --> 00:30:42.559 what it does is it affects the electromagnetic spectrum that we normally deal with, 377 00:30:42.920 --> 00:30:52.119 and that's when you get these little pockets of if you like strangeness, where 378 00:30:52.160 --> 00:31:02.079 you get high incidents of UFOs, poltergeist phenomenon, maybe don't among crickteds. 379 00:31:02.160 --> 00:31:07.119 All all up, there's a whole boatload of things. Yeah, you know, 380 00:31:07.200 --> 00:31:11.559 there's there's all kinds of speculation with why these things are in the areas 381 00:31:11.559 --> 00:31:15.759 they are, I know, like the Hazelden Lights, for one, I 382 00:31:15.799 --> 00:31:22.240 think there's some type of geological situation there that may attract I've had um Irwin. 383 00:31:22.359 --> 00:31:26.440 I believe his name is that the scientists that's there arling. I think 384 00:31:26.680 --> 00:31:30.599 I can't remember his name right right right off the bat. He's been on 385 00:31:30.640 --> 00:31:34.400 this show before talking about that. But there are you know there, it's 386 00:31:34.480 --> 00:31:41.480 such a it's such a marvel what these things could possibly be and and and 387 00:31:41.519 --> 00:31:45.920 what they are exactly. We still have no clue at all, you know, 388 00:31:45.000 --> 00:31:49.880 interdimensionals not out of the question for one when it comes to all these 389 00:31:49.920 --> 00:31:53.759 things, you know. So, yeah, that's what I believe they are, 390 00:31:53.839 --> 00:32:00.240 Martin. I think if we go back to our normal electro magnetics spectrum, 391 00:32:00.400 --> 00:32:05.720 that's ordinary matter that we deal with on a daily basis, the actual 392 00:32:05.960 --> 00:32:12.279 acoustic spectrum and visible spectrum that we see and hear and interact with is less 393 00:32:12.279 --> 00:32:19.920 than one tenth of one percent of our electromagnetic spectrum. So you've got you've 394 00:32:19.960 --> 00:32:22.519 got the radio waves, the lower energy and the longer waves at one end, 395 00:32:22.960 --> 00:32:28.000 the visible light in the middle, and then it goes up through ultraviolet 396 00:32:28.200 --> 00:32:31.200 X rays and gamma rays and the higher energy in shorter wave lengths. And 397 00:32:31.319 --> 00:32:38.440 that's what we know about. I believe that this dark energy and dark matter 398 00:32:39.119 --> 00:32:45.119 that cosmologists are now saying it make up the vast majority of the universe that 399 00:32:45.200 --> 00:32:52.440 we deal with and I think this is precisely what ET understands completely. And 400 00:32:52.559 --> 00:32:58.319 they understand the dark energy of the dark matter as well as our ordinary matter, 401 00:32:58.720 --> 00:33:02.480 and that's why you get this crossover and why we get this where we 402 00:33:02.599 --> 00:33:08.400 can't measure it, but they do. And going back to these geographical areas, 403 00:33:08.960 --> 00:33:14.680 yes, there are things happen like a skinwalker ranch and these other places, 404 00:33:15.119 --> 00:33:19.960 and there's a lot of UFOs seen. And I believe because I'll use 405 00:33:20.039 --> 00:33:27.599 the phrase ET, because ET understands it and can control it and manipulate it. 406 00:33:28.079 --> 00:33:30.799 They use these areas if you like, if you want to call them 407 00:33:30.839 --> 00:33:37.440 portals, and they use these portals portals moving from one dimension, which is 408 00:33:37.519 --> 00:33:44.640 one frequency to another. It just happens to go through our ordinary mattic goes 409 00:33:44.680 --> 00:33:50.319 through our electromagnetic spectrum. And that is why we see in experience what we 410 00:33:50.440 --> 00:33:53.440 do. Well, it's such definitely a very good theory, as good as 411 00:33:53.480 --> 00:33:59.759 any I've ever heard, you know, and you know everything is about vibration, 412 00:34:00.079 --> 00:34:05.559 right, you know, really is Here's here's someone just posed this question. 413 00:34:05.759 --> 00:34:07.119 Do they seem to have more sightings in the day and night? And 414 00:34:07.159 --> 00:34:12.400 that's pretty easy to answer. There's more sightings at night, because there's a 415 00:34:12.400 --> 00:34:16.760 lot of lights in the sky that people will report. So I do believe 416 00:34:16.800 --> 00:34:21.760 it's much more sightings during the evening. And um, you know, and 417 00:34:21.880 --> 00:34:24.480 I encourage anyone. I get a lot of email from people that are just 418 00:34:24.599 --> 00:34:29.960 starting to look into this topic. So UM, I encourage anyone to ask 419 00:34:30.119 --> 00:34:32.760 those type of questions. Yeah, can I just go on from that? 420 00:34:32.880 --> 00:34:38.159 Because going ahead, if if you think about it, logically, most of 421 00:34:38.239 --> 00:34:44.880 our business, the business world is doom during our normal office hours and daylight 422 00:34:44.960 --> 00:34:51.079 hours, and we're being byernal that we are. We sleep at night, 423 00:34:51.519 --> 00:34:57.119 and it's natural that our energy is lower. People sleep, so during the 424 00:34:57.239 --> 00:35:02.880 night there's a lot less electron magnetic interference. So not only is it a 425 00:35:02.880 --> 00:35:09.840 lot less noise if you like only electro magnetic spectrum, we're also much more 426 00:35:09.920 --> 00:35:15.719 open to something else that may happen. And I think that's why we get 427 00:35:15.760 --> 00:35:22.360 a lot more sightings at night specifically for those two reasons. Yeah, I'm 428 00:35:22.400 --> 00:35:28.400 hearing static to come statics started to come back, and I well, we'll 429 00:35:28.480 --> 00:35:37.000 carry on and just and just see what happens. But I'm just looking for 430 00:35:37.119 --> 00:35:39.000 questions. If anyone has questions for our guests, please put them in all 431 00:35:39.079 --> 00:35:45.760 caps, and I'll get them to ask him up on the screen. So 432 00:35:47.800 --> 00:35:52.000 I do believe, as you said, you know, the dimensional thing is 433 00:35:52.039 --> 00:35:59.280 a very good possibility. And I remember I had Paul Eno has been on 434 00:35:59.320 --> 00:36:02.679 this show a few times. He runs a radio station out of Rhode Island, 435 00:36:04.159 --> 00:36:08.679 and he's been doing like a mostly a paranormal type show for many, 436 00:36:08.679 --> 00:36:15.559 many years, and he's been He visited at my when I had a guesthouse, 437 00:36:15.599 --> 00:36:20.199 he stayed in that for a while and stuff like that. So his 438 00:36:20.559 --> 00:36:25.320 idea of all the paranormal things, that's how he explained them all, was 439 00:36:25.400 --> 00:36:32.039 interdimensional ghosts, UFOs, bigfoot, cryptids, the whole shebang everything. And 440 00:36:32.199 --> 00:36:36.599 is that my getting? That's more or less what you're feeling is as well. 441 00:36:36.840 --> 00:36:42.320 Yeah, absolutely everything is energy. So everything has its own frequency, 442 00:36:42.639 --> 00:36:46.960 including you and I, your listeners, the computer, yourself in frontal so 443 00:36:47.199 --> 00:36:55.039 everything reacts to everything else. So this is why our thoughts even I mean 444 00:36:55.119 --> 00:37:00.440 nowadays, we're just sort of scratching the surface of this. We could do 445 00:37:00.639 --> 00:37:06.880 ECGs on the heart, we can do EEGs electron capholography on the brain, 446 00:37:07.440 --> 00:37:12.159 and they're able to look at the different patterns and waves. But we don't 447 00:37:12.159 --> 00:37:17.360 fully understand it all. Now you imagine, I'll still use the term et 448 00:37:19.039 --> 00:37:23.800 who might be ten thousand years in front of us, So to somebody that 449 00:37:24.000 --> 00:37:30.400 could be that far advanced and understands that and is able to interpret that. 450 00:37:30.960 --> 00:37:37.159 Because we each person is unique. Your frequency is like a fingerprint, and 451 00:37:37.360 --> 00:37:44.639 everybody's different. And this is why they can pick up on our thoughts. 452 00:37:45.679 --> 00:37:52.079 This is why they can pick up on what we're sort of experiencing where we 453 00:37:52.119 --> 00:37:55.639 are. This is like the screen memories that people have, the abductees, 454 00:37:57.400 --> 00:38:00.880 because they know what we can do, because they know what we're thinking. 455 00:38:01.480 --> 00:38:05.920 And again, going back to the first sighting that hard or one of the 456 00:38:05.960 --> 00:38:14.480 sightings that have is this why why some people remember things differently? Is this 457 00:38:14.559 --> 00:38:16.920 why we didn't take a picture, Why nobody thought to take a picture. 458 00:38:17.800 --> 00:38:23.599 And so there's all these different things that we can't prove it, but that 459 00:38:23.679 --> 00:38:30.360 would explain why we see an experience what we do. Well, you know, 460 00:38:30.880 --> 00:38:37.159 we've only got I don't know another Let's see what do we have here? 461 00:38:37.199 --> 00:38:40.000 We got another ten or twelve minutes here, we're gonna we're gonna keep 462 00:38:40.079 --> 00:38:45.760 moving on here with your static. You static is happening, but I think 463 00:38:45.239 --> 00:38:53.559 instead of rebooting that we're just going to continue on here. And so so 464 00:38:53.760 --> 00:38:58.800 there's a lot of talk about disclosure, and people think that we're close to 465 00:38:58.840 --> 00:39:05.280 it, and even in what Chuck Schumer wrote recently said that it was a 466 00:39:05.360 --> 00:39:10.000 controlled disclosure, which I thought was very interesting wording. So this person here 467 00:39:10.079 --> 00:39:14.760 wants to say, what would force the issue of disclosure? Just your thoughts 468 00:39:15.199 --> 00:39:21.159 from the UK, and do you think that they know enough to disclose it? 469 00:39:21.920 --> 00:39:27.400 Yeah, I think that we will get this drip feed of disclosure. 470 00:39:27.920 --> 00:39:32.440 You'll never find out about Roswell, You'll never find out about Randelsom Forest, 471 00:39:32.679 --> 00:39:37.800 You'll never find out about a lot of these things. Historically, if you 472 00:39:37.880 --> 00:39:45.559 imagine a government, any government admitting that they have no control, that they 473 00:39:45.559 --> 00:39:50.440 couldn't do anything about it under they've been keeping the secret from us. So 474 00:39:50.840 --> 00:39:54.000 I think what they're doing now it was the same with the A tip people 475 00:39:54.360 --> 00:39:59.039 two three years ago, and it's the same with this. And I think 476 00:39:59.039 --> 00:40:07.320 we're getting this feed of disclosure where et UFOs and aliens in general have been 477 00:40:07.480 --> 00:40:14.000 jipped into society to make it more acceptable, and I think we'll get the 478 00:40:14.079 --> 00:40:17.840 same with this disclosure and I don't think it will be a one off thing. 479 00:40:17.880 --> 00:40:21.440 I don't think it will be a sudden thing. I think it will 480 00:40:21.480 --> 00:40:28.000 be a gradual process until it's it becomes publicly acceptable completely if you like. 481 00:40:30.159 --> 00:40:35.039 Someone says, are you aware that that bell specifically states and a plan for 482 00:40:35.119 --> 00:40:38.320 controlled disclosure? Yes, that's what I That's what I heard, which is 483 00:40:38.440 --> 00:40:43.519 very interesting, and I'm going to before I do my trip to Washington, 484 00:40:43.559 --> 00:40:46.480 d C. I'm going to try to find as much information as I can, 485 00:40:46.880 --> 00:40:51.199 so I'm prepared to talk to people there, which is pretty exciting. 486 00:40:51.760 --> 00:40:54.960 So I wanted to bring this your book back here. We have this picture 487 00:40:55.039 --> 00:41:00.519 here, and that's the one that you took that you're talking about. Yeah, 488 00:41:00.559 --> 00:41:05.320 that's the one where there were eight adults from five children. So what 489 00:41:05.360 --> 00:41:08.440 it did was it moved slowly towards us till it was about eighty degrees above 490 00:41:08.440 --> 00:41:14.000 the horizon was stationary, and then it started moving very slowly to the north, 491 00:41:14.239 --> 00:41:19.119 like it moved direction ninety degrees, but really slowly. Yep. And 492 00:41:19.199 --> 00:41:22.559 that was you can just see the tiny spot there that's my neighbor's gutter, 493 00:41:23.719 --> 00:41:29.119 a two story home, and you could just see. But those were others 494 00:41:29.199 --> 00:41:30.880 and now you can just see on those where I've tried to zoom in. 495 00:41:31.039 --> 00:41:36.599 But even then, and this is something that I believe happens with a lot 496 00:41:36.639 --> 00:41:43.719 of people trying to get pictures of UFOs, is because we're not seeing the 497 00:41:43.760 --> 00:41:50.960 whole picture. We're not because the UFO itself is able to use the electromagnetic 498 00:41:51.000 --> 00:41:54.519 frequency around it, so we only see that part of it that's within our 499 00:41:54.639 --> 00:42:00.079 visible spectrum. And that's why you don't get good clear pictures it. Even 500 00:42:01.199 --> 00:42:07.119 Golden sorry about it. No, No to me, that looks like it 501 00:42:07.119 --> 00:42:10.400 looks like a balloon. Doesn't look like a balloon to you. I mean 502 00:42:10.760 --> 00:42:15.599 was that a possibility? No? And why? And why why would you 503 00:42:15.639 --> 00:42:22.639 say not? Because it was intensely bright, It was incredibly fat away that 504 00:42:23.079 --> 00:42:30.280 it was. I mean normally aircraft from the continent flyover those like thirty six, 505 00:42:30.440 --> 00:42:34.920 thirty eight, even forty thousand feet, and it was behind those, 506 00:42:35.760 --> 00:42:38.280 so whatever it was, it was much higher than that. Well, this 507 00:42:38.400 --> 00:42:45.119 is the I was underneath the Chinese balloon, and that's what when that when 508 00:42:45.119 --> 00:42:47.639 they shot it. I people that listened to the show all the time know 509 00:42:49.320 --> 00:42:52.719 that as I talked about it, that I was right underneath the balloon. 510 00:42:52.119 --> 00:42:57.519 And here's some pictures right here as the jets coming along and actually shoots it, 511 00:42:57.519 --> 00:43:01.079 and you can see it's starting to fall. So that was This was 512 00:43:01.199 --> 00:43:06.599 sixty thousand feet when I took the picture from my iPhone, And there is 513 00:43:06.599 --> 00:43:09.760 a similar I'm just pointing out there is to me, there's a similarity between 514 00:43:09.840 --> 00:43:14.960 Oh there is, yeah, but what you have here. Yeah, But 515 00:43:15.119 --> 00:43:20.000 the thing was, Yeah, when you look through the binoculars, it wasn't 516 00:43:20.719 --> 00:43:23.679 like a round balloon. It was a circle. It was like a donut 517 00:43:23.719 --> 00:43:27.960 shape. But the other thing there you go, you can see that was 518 00:43:28.000 --> 00:43:31.159 how it appeared. Oh is that is that it close up? Yeah? 519 00:43:31.280 --> 00:43:37.400 Oh okay, so I changed my whole thought pattern. Now, definitely an 520 00:43:37.440 --> 00:43:43.000 oval. It was a vertical oval. Yeah, I'm looking at it through 521 00:43:43.039 --> 00:43:45.320 the binoculars. That's what you could see. Now. It wasn't gray like 522 00:43:45.440 --> 00:43:50.719 that. It was brilliant white. But the thing was, I have a 523 00:43:50.760 --> 00:43:53.559 telescope, and I was trying to set the telescope up so that we could 524 00:43:53.599 --> 00:44:00.360 observe it better. And literally as I did that, my wife, I'm 525 00:44:00.360 --> 00:44:05.159 one of my neighbors, it suddenly speeded up. I'm zoomed off to the 526 00:44:05.239 --> 00:44:09.519 north. So well, yeah, I mean if it has a reaction like 527 00:44:09.559 --> 00:44:14.239 that, if it's moving fast, and obviously it's not a balloon. So 528 00:44:14.400 --> 00:44:17.960 yeah, yeah, well that's interesting. And that was with witnesses as well. 529 00:44:19.039 --> 00:44:22.880 So oh this is the one where you had all the all those people. 530 00:44:23.239 --> 00:44:30.199 Yeah, yeah, well that's that's pretty fascinating. And yeah, I 531 00:44:30.239 --> 00:44:32.800 can't believe that so many things have happened to you. And there's a there's 532 00:44:32.880 --> 00:44:39.440 proof right there that you do actually get sunny days there. Yeah, it's 533 00:44:39.679 --> 00:44:44.199 the weather's I have to say, just recently for those as being terrible, 534 00:44:44.679 --> 00:44:49.800 but it's uh, it's just something that we live with. And I'm sure 535 00:44:49.880 --> 00:44:54.000 there are areas where you are but get high rainfall as well. Yeah up 536 00:44:54.079 --> 00:44:58.599 north here on the east coast. Yeah, there's a lot of terrible flooding 537 00:44:58.639 --> 00:45:02.760 and rains, Yes, a lot. What So in this book are you 538 00:45:04.079 --> 00:45:06.159 is this? Are you done for writing books? Or do you think you 539 00:45:06.199 --> 00:45:08.599 may write something else? You have something in the works. Well, the 540 00:45:09.159 --> 00:45:15.360 thing is I over reading other books. I mean I've read hundreds of books 541 00:45:15.760 --> 00:45:21.800 like Jacques Vallet, Jenny Randalls. I was sort of brought up on those, 542 00:45:22.079 --> 00:45:27.119 even the old Project Bluebook and Donald Keyhole. Those were the books I 543 00:45:27.199 --> 00:45:34.119 started reading, and then modern day now we're getting a lot more worldwide people 544 00:45:34.159 --> 00:45:38.679 that are doing independent research, which is wonderful. But nothing has changed my 545 00:45:38.760 --> 00:45:44.039 mind, and I think, I like, going back to what you said 546 00:45:44.039 --> 00:45:49.440 in earlier with Paul Eno and the paranormal thing, I do believe that they're 547 00:45:49.440 --> 00:45:55.159 all connected through the electromagnetics spectrum. You get very similar reactions. You get 548 00:45:55.280 --> 00:46:01.400 very similar experiences people that frightened, people that are terrified, whether it's cryptids, 549 00:46:01.440 --> 00:46:07.559 whether it's paranormal or UFOs, it's the same reaction. And it's because 550 00:46:07.159 --> 00:46:13.880 it's the same that part of that frequency, and that's why you get that. 551 00:46:14.440 --> 00:46:19.880 So nothing's changed my mind, and I think over time I'm getting more 552 00:46:19.920 --> 00:46:27.920 corroborative evidence than you know, contradictory evidence. But the other thing is what 553 00:46:28.039 --> 00:46:34.480 I tried to do was just put more explanations in and also more sightings. 554 00:46:34.519 --> 00:46:38.480 To put a few more sightings in just to help people grasp what I was 555 00:46:38.519 --> 00:46:43.840 trying to get over because I think a lot of and nothing against it, 556 00:46:43.880 --> 00:46:49.039 but a lot of investigators and a lot of authors tend to write about a 557 00:46:49.159 --> 00:46:52.440 small part of the pie, one piece of the pizza rather than looking at 558 00:46:52.440 --> 00:46:55.400 the whole pizza, rather than looking at the whole picture. So what I 559 00:46:55.519 --> 00:46:59.599 tried to do, and I'm not saying I've got it all by any stretch 560 00:46:59.599 --> 00:47:05.519 of the generation. Well, it's a way of explaining a bigger picture rather 561 00:47:05.599 --> 00:47:12.079 than just pieces of the puzzle. I was speaking with my producer just yesterday, 562 00:47:12.119 --> 00:47:15.719 I believe it was, and I was thinking of all the paranormal things 563 00:47:15.760 --> 00:47:22.239 that you know, people witness and I've had some things I called a poltergeist, 564 00:47:22.360 --> 00:47:24.360 whatever you want to call it. I had a situation that happened several 565 00:47:24.440 --> 00:47:31.519 years ago. But of all of them, the UFO and possibly being visited 566 00:47:31.519 --> 00:47:38.400 by extraterrestrial almost makes more sense than the others because we are this you know, 567 00:47:38.480 --> 00:47:45.360 blue marble floating in the universe, with so many unknown things that could 568 00:47:45.559 --> 00:47:49.519 actually reach us in so many different, you know, possible ways that we 569 00:47:49.559 --> 00:47:55.239 don't understand. So, you know, I I sometimes don't think that UFO 570 00:47:55.280 --> 00:48:00.639 should be part of the paranormal, you know, because they're they're are witnessed 571 00:48:00.920 --> 00:48:05.280 there, you know, and it just seems that they're more viable than some 572 00:48:05.360 --> 00:48:07.880 of the other things that are you know, pop in and pop out like 573 00:48:08.199 --> 00:48:13.199 ghosts or you know, other things that people talk about par normal realm. 574 00:48:13.719 --> 00:48:17.360 Yeah, but again going back to what I said, that is the et 575 00:48:17.679 --> 00:48:22.199 is so far advanced that they can control that and they're able to control that 576 00:48:22.440 --> 00:48:28.639 environment. You know that they can interact, which obviously ghosts and other things 577 00:48:28.679 --> 00:48:34.639 can't do, not to that extent anyway. Okay, so there's a question 578 00:48:34.679 --> 00:48:37.039 here from Charles. You want to know if you had your videos or photos 579 00:48:37.079 --> 00:48:45.360 analyzed by experts like Mark di Antonio. Ye face, Yeah, about quite 580 00:48:45.400 --> 00:48:50.400 a few unlized Jason Leaves, Yes, I know who he is. Yep, 581 00:48:50.519 --> 00:48:53.760 yet Jason they is a lovely guy and he's unlized quite a few of 582 00:48:53.800 --> 00:49:04.199 mine, and again explained they were solid objects either reflecting the sun and in 583 00:49:04.199 --> 00:49:09.519 the case of that one generating its own light. It wasn't you know which, 584 00:49:10.199 --> 00:49:15.679 which is interesting. But again as another good guy about the we know, 585 00:49:15.920 --> 00:49:23.360 Paul Sinclair, it's the truth with no proof because you physically can't measure 586 00:49:23.400 --> 00:49:28.559 it, you know, and it's very difficult. I mean, look at 587 00:49:28.599 --> 00:49:32.440 the a TIP reports when they gave out the gimbal, Go Fast and Tick 588 00:49:32.519 --> 00:49:38.679 Tack UFOs. All three were recorded on radar on the carrier fleet underneath they 589 00:49:38.719 --> 00:49:45.159 were all three were recorded on the infrared gun cameras and all three were seen 590 00:49:45.400 --> 00:49:52.039 in the normal visible spectrum by the pilots the chained observers. Now they had 591 00:49:52.079 --> 00:49:58.679 eighty eight zero reports like that where they've recorded in three different spectrums, and 592 00:49:59.559 --> 00:50:04.480 you know what they said was, they're not it's not in the national interest, 593 00:50:05.000 --> 00:50:07.119 you know, national security, and that's why the others aren't being released. 594 00:50:07.400 --> 00:50:12.840 But if they've got another seventy seven that they're not showing us, how 595 00:50:13.119 --> 00:50:17.039 how good could some of those be? You know? Right? And you 596 00:50:17.039 --> 00:50:20.679 know, I talk about the spectrum a lot. You know, we only 597 00:50:20.719 --> 00:50:23.639 see a very small part of what is going on around us, you know, 598 00:50:23.719 --> 00:50:29.000 as far as what we can actually physically see with our eyes, and 599 00:50:29.639 --> 00:50:32.000 our eyes are just sending messages to our brains, and you know, there's 600 00:50:32.039 --> 00:50:37.039 all kinds of weird things that can happen with how we create what we're seeing. 601 00:50:37.159 --> 00:50:40.320 It's really interesting and fascinating to me. Thank you so much. It's 602 00:50:40.360 --> 00:50:44.719 been a real pleasure, and I'm sorry to the listeners that we had a 603 00:50:44.719 --> 00:50:46.880 couple of static issues. I'm going to try to copy some of these images 604 00:50:47.280 --> 00:50:52.800 that are in the book that I've been talking about with Paul, and I'll 605 00:50:52.840 --> 00:50:55.360 put those in the show notes. To check that out and stay tuned. 606 00:50:55.679 --> 00:51:00.159 If everything goes well, and I do believe it's going to happen, I'll 607 00:51:00.199 --> 00:51:04.079 be doing a road trip off to Washington, d C. And we'll be 608 00:51:04.400 --> 00:51:07.800 broadcasting from there next week. Thank you very much, Paul, Thank you 609 00:51:07.920 --> 00:51:12.559 Martin. It's been a pleasure, all right. Take care of ye all 610 00:51:12.639 --> 00:51:15.920 right, everyone, So that is it for tonight's show. Again, thank 611 00:51:15.960 --> 00:51:21.400 you, and thanks for your patience with all the technical issues, and remember 612 00:51:21.440 --> 00:51:43.559 to keep your eyes to the sky.