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Moran Podcast. Well, hello and
welcome. Thanks for getting your pot on,

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Thanks for telling a friend. That's
how we spread the word about the

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pirate ship. Tonight different We've got
some people with some credentials in the studio

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today, Sergeant Michael Zamira from the
Monroe County Sheriff's Department and doctor Mark Guesting

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from u RMC, who is a
trauma surgeon, and they're here to talk

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about the Consortium for Safe Communities,
which the doc and I were talking before

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you came in, Sergeant, and
I said, you know, I didn't

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do a whole lot, because I
wanted to have real reaction and learn about

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this as we were going along.
But what I read, I said,

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it just sort of made sense.
And he said, you would think thank

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you, you would think so,
yes, I understand, But where does

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the idea? This sounds to me
like it would be a great thing for

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the entire state. I don't believe
that the Rochester, the Greater Rochester community

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is the only one that is seeing
this uptick. I mean we see it

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around the country. We see major
metropolitans and others that are having similar problems

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to these things. But the Consortium
for the Safe Community in terms of just

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even trying to change the laws and
things, it feels like, at least

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in New York State, it's like
pulling a piano up the side of a

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building, or maybe try to find
a bullet and abdomen. I don't know,

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Doc, I mean maybe that that's
the case. I'm not really sure.

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What would you Where does the idea
come from? The first? Let's

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start there. Yeah, yeah,
so thank you, by the way,

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probably very well, doctor and I
and to talk about this issue. We

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feel very strongly about it, the
both of us, and we're very excited

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to use your your bully pulpit here
to talk about it. So the Consortium

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for Safe Communities began. I think
it was October of twenty two was the

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first meeting of this, this wide
ranging group of stakeholders from around the community.

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And really, my boss, Sheriff
Baxter, was coming to me every

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day saying, I have this message
from this person I've you know, I

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visited with a grieving mother last night. There's all these people from around our

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community who just have had enough that
they can't believe that that the state of

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public safety in their communities has gotten
to the level it has gotten and obviously

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not in a good way. So
you know, we're not just gonna sit

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there and put these people on the
back burner. And but what we found

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very quickly was there were many many
people from around our community that felt the

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same way. Right, they all
had leadership roles in the community. They

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had people that were crying on their
shoulders, but what can they do about

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it? And that was that was
the big question. What can we do?

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So we canven into a small group, I don't know, fifteen or

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so people and you know, put
it out to the group, what what

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can we do so that group has
grown exponentially since since then. But you

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know, really the impetus behind it
was what do we think the problem is?

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And everybody in the room, which
by the way, was an extremely

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diverse group, and not diverse in
the sense of sex, in race,

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in religion and things of that nature, but really just diverse in the sense

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that they represent every sort of person
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community. You know, I've got
a very educated, highly skilled MD sitting

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across from me. He was one
of the original members, Cheryl Robinson from

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the North Winton Village Association is there. So we just we have this consortium

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of people who all have the same
interest in They're not interested in we're not

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interested in arguing. We're about arriving
at a solution. It's the mastermind group,

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right, I mean, that's usually
what it's called when when we go

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through and try to do things,
you go back to even like the founding

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of this country, it was a
mastermind group of trying to figure out how

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do we solve the problem or the
common goal that we want. Yeah,

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and that's exactly what it is.
What it what it what it became,

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and and what the group decided is
first and foremost, this is not a

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problem that's going to be solved by
arresting people by by cops alone. It's

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a it's a grassroots, it's a
community effort. And when we really drilled

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down to it and we tried to
arrive at what the solution is. There's

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many solutions, but what this group
concentrated on is initially two things. We

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need to be able to detain people
who are dangerous, yes, and we

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need to be able to detain people
who just refuse to commit stop committing that

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cycle of criminality, so we call
them the repeat offenders. So that was

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the impetus. Uh. The initial
goal of the group is to sort of

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advocate for legislation that would allow judges
to do those two things, and there's

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ways to do them fair and objective. There's forty nine other states in this

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country that hold people based upon the
risk they present to the public safety.

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We are the only one that does
not have that legislation. So the risk

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of public safety would be much like
uh, we label sex offenders correct,

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like you level want what what is
your risk? And where do we hold

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you? Is that so? Bill, I I don't want to accuse you

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of doing anything but I think you
might have done some homework, because that's

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exactly I told you. I read
the one page. Yeah, yeah,

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so that's exactly what I wanted to
learn as we went along about about the

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this. But yes, so I
think so that's exactly it. When a

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sex offender goes to court to be
sentenced, they go there with what's called

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a SORA score and forgive me,
I forget the acronym, but they're assigned

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a risk based upon a measurable unbiased
risk assessment tool that says this person is

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a level one, two, three, and so on, and then you

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know, the sentence is carried out
in accordance with that in mind. And

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we're saying that tool exists for measuring
a person's dangerousness. I know of one

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created by the Laura and John Arnold
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And that's just one of them.
So these things exist, we don't have

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to build it out. There are
other states, and not to mention our

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federal government in DC that use those
things. Why why does New York State

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not use it? Yeah? You
know, there's there's a lot of the

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representatives that just that feel very strongly
against that and I'm unclear as to why

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they think that. You know,
I I know that there has been arguments

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surrounding inequalities and in unfairness when when
you carry those things out that they can

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tend to be biased. But well, I thought the Earl on I remember

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talking to Mayor Evans in the City
of Rochester about some of these laws,

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that they were more the bail reform
law was more meant for somebody who,

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let's say, and he used this
analogy, stole a pack of gum,

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that that person wouldn't be locked up
necessarily, they would be able to go

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to work and still pay their bills
and meet their obligations. And again it

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almost sounds like the assessment that you're
talking about, is this guy a big

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risk to the community he swiped the
pack of gum or a bottle of soda

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or whatever. You know, Let's
try to let's try to show them a

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better way and let them keep making
money and live by societal standards and not

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by criminal standards. But yet it
seems like it's gone much different than that.

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And I don't know that it's any
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they're going by the letter of the
law. By which it is, which

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makes it difficult. So then you
need to change the law, which means,

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you know, trying to get the
legislators and all that stuff. And

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that's the piano of the side of
the building part. But in the meantime,

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the community suffer. Yeah. So
the thing is is, you know,

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so it's Ballery Farm one piece of
the pie, and it is a

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major piece in that pie. But
when you look back over the last I

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think a six years now at this
point, there have been six major major

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reforms to our justice system that have
been pushed down the thru way that we

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as a community have been sort of
forced to absorb. You know, you

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talk about batle reform, you talk
about raise the age is a huge one,

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Less is more, deals with parole, the hal Tact, which not

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many people know about, deals with
keeping people safe in jails. It uh

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uh. Marijuana reform was a big
one, you know, a very good

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likelihood actually fully believe it killed Officer
Mazerkowitz. The the the the issues that

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arose out of there with the creation
of the gray market. So you have

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all these reforms and every one of
them I will not dispute, and I

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know my boss wouldn't either there was
good intentions behind all of them. So

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you talk about baler reform, about
the kid that stole a pack at gum

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Ballery form, a major push behind
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York City. I think he had
stolen a backpack and he was detained and

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essentially forgotten about on Rikers Island for
for a long time, and I think

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it was months, and he ultimately, you know, he dealt with some

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mental health issues and he died in
custody, and that was unacceptable for a

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person to be sitting in Rikers Island
who really shouldn't have been treated in that

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manner and locked up for that amount
of time. So there was reform that

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was needed to our system. There's
no question. I don't think there's a

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cop on the street that'll argue with
that. But the problem that came was

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that pendulum swung so far the other
way. And by the way, there

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were no law enforcement administrators, advisors, experts that were really part of the

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conversation, and that's where they it's
interesting to use the analogy of the pendulum.

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I feel like in society it has
swung so far in general, Not

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to get into too much other but
it just seems like it's it's gone so

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far in so many aspects of life
that when it needs to sort of come

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back. But how many years have
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it's just about nineteen years. Nineteen
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the job. Things when from when
you started to now society better worse we're

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seeing Is there more crime? Yeah? So it which sounds ridiculous and then

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may be hard to quantify. I
don't know. Yeah, I you know,

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so I worked for the first seventeen
years of my career, I worked

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in the jail, so not the
guy out on the streets stopping, but

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they come to us, and you
know, we raised some of these people

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when they were kids in jail,
sixteen year old. It's we're we are

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responsible for in some cases. And
you know this is not a blank and

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statement by any means, but I
know a lot of people in that jail

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that I work with that that did
exactly that raise these kids. And we

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develop rapport with these with these individuals
that come in and your quote unquote repeat

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customers, so we deal with them
often. And to answer your question,

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if there's a difference in the way
things are nineteen years ago versus now.

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You know, that's a that's an
obvious answer. Absolutely, it's black and

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white almost, and and some of
that change is good. We're doing a

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lot of more, a lot more
work in jails centered around making people good

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people again. Yeah, and it
doesn't always work, but we're gonna try

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anyway. Yeah, because it's the
right thing to do. Uh. But

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yeah, a big difference in what
we're seeing today versus what we're seeing quite

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a while ago. Yeah, Doc, when it comes to you, I

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mean you've been in Rochester, you
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talked about the Consortium of the Consortium, So basically, that's a group that

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represents many pieces in many aspects of
the community. So I'm a trauma surgeon,

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so my little slice of life is
in the hospital people who are shot,

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stabbed, victims of violence. So
that's my little window into the world.

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But I sit at the same table
with people who are involved in the

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faith community, involved in the business
community, involved in law enforcement. So

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each one of us is seeing life
from a kind of different perspective. I

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can tell you over the twenty three
years I've been here, I have absolutely

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seen a shift there is more,
there is more violence, there is less

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accountability for that violence, and the
repeat offender stuff like Mike was talking about.

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I mean, nobody's after a kid
with a piece of gum or a

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marijuana cigarette, right, But if
you're arrested with a gun on Monday,

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released, arrested with a gun on
Tuesday, released, arrested with a gun

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on Thursday, released, and then
shot or shoot somebody on Saturday, it's

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not a surprise anymore, right,
It just it just seems to me from

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a common sense perspective, these things
are largely preventable, and that's kind of

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where we get involved. So you
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we see a kid on a bike
without a helmet, we're giving them a

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bike helmet, you know, And
this is this is kind of the bike

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helmet for for the community, you
know, Like you know, if you're

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running around with an illegal gun,
there ought to be some accountability for that.

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And if and if you are doing
that over and over, that's where

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they're kind of the repeat offender and
the dangerousness comes in. You're you're going

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to get yourself into big trouble or
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my perspective on this, and you
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the number the number one thing that
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and I'm just getting the sense that
I'm not seeing that as the number

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one focus anymore. You know,
I think we're doing a lot of things,

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maybe for a lot of good reasons, but I think good luck finding

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somebody in one of these neighborhoods that's
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safer now than they did five years
ago, ten years ago. You see

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a lot you probably you know,
I would assume, go out and talk

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to family members or friends of whoever
the victim is. You know, they're

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with their heart in their hand and
scared. But are we starting to see

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this this kind of behavior. And
I can ask you as well, sergeant,

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start to we we know in the
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numbers of shootings, there's rumors of
different things that have gone on. Certainly

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it is very, very scary,
and you've seen the numbers that go up

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I think over the number of years
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know, But are we starting to
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I've always had this theory that as
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Are you starting to see some of
this behavior slowly make its way out

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of out of the City of Rochester
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mean, you are Oak County sheriff, so I would assume you see the

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entire county. So what we what
we see. What we're trying to show

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in what what is happening is that
crime in general. I gotta I gotta

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graph over here that shows homicides in
the city of Rochester, and twenty twenty

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one there were eighty five, twenty
twenty two there were seventy five, and

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last year they were fifty eight.
So we've gone down. So you know,

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that's what that's what everybody sees is
the downtick on that charge. But

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what what we need to remember is
that, you know, in two thousand

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and seventeen they were twenty eight.
Yeah, in twenty eighteen they were twenty

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eight. We aren't winning right now. Fifty eight is completely unacceptable. I

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mean, really one is unacceptable.
But let's you know, let's operate within

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our reach ability right here. Fifty
eight is asinine. That's fifty eight dead

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bodies. That's fifty eight grieving families, and it's you know, we do

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you know, we see the occasional
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It's predominantly within the city Rochester.
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here is all of this other crime
drives this. Yeah, you know you

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talk about retail theft, right,
I guess to most people there and very

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reasonably so, they're two to completely
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my experience, the stolen car issue, so seeing you know, thirteen fourteen,

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fifteen year old drivers of stolen cars
hitting things and getting personally injured,

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and to your point, hitting things
in Brighton, you know, parenting.

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Yeah, right, it doesn't take
it doesn't take a long you know stretch

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to think that if you're driving a
stolen car, you know, fifty sixty

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seventy miles an hour, you're going
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pretty quickly. And now you know, some poor guys driving down the street

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and suddenly a car comes slamming into
the side because you know, the fifteen

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year old who's driving it can't drive
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Right, you know, so you
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you are seeing sneak out into the
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city. And I can tell you, you know, from from my experience

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over the years. You know,
shootings are not unique to Rochester, and

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we've had shootings ever since I came
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Tuesday afternoon, you know, Tuesday
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We have shootouts on a Wednesday at
three in the afternoon. That's that's

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different. That's a level of unabashed
criminality that it's just I'm not used to

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seeing in the city. And that
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seven years. So so for you, doc, what what sort of is

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is the solution? There? There
were years ago there was somebody who I

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think has made a bad name for
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But I had gone to college with
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Adam used to just say to me, he would come on and he would

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say, we're gonna have a real
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are being raised by their grandparents,
and the grandparents are dying off there's going

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to be nobody there and it's going
to kind of just be kids run and

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loose. Now, I don't know
if that's sort of what we're seeing now

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or not, but what would be
the solution. It feels like in some

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way you almost need a like a
parent to step in and go, hey,

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cut it out. But I mean
that's simplifying it to the to the

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easiest right. You know. You
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so all that might correct me here, but it seems to me that

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if you've put your faith in a
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determine whether or not, you know, somebody coming before them is going to

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be dangerous and you know, and
if it's that kid who stole a pack

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of Gama or a backpack or something
silly like that, then yeah, you

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use your discretion. But but if
you're talking to somebody who is you know,

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stolen large qualities with large quantities of
items from you know, from a

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big box store over the last month, over and over and over again,

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at some point that has to stop. Somebody who's been you know, when

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we talk about getting arrested with a
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somebody has to chase that person.
Yeah, it's a car chase, it's

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a foot chase. Those people don't
just stop and say, here's my illegal

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gun, right, So there's a
lot of drama that that gets you to

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the point where you now found a
suspect with an illegal gun, and we're

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releasing those people almost immediately, and
it just to me as a citizen,

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it makes absolutely no sense. So, I mean, you know, not

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necessarily, like Mike said, against
bail reform, but there's got to be

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some guide rails, you know,
some common sense applied to these types of

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situations. And you know, I'm
hearing that those those you know, those

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those guidances for judges exist and they're
not being used. I'm not sure that's

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the case, because you know,
you have to put your faith in the

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judges, and they're not they're not
able to, you know, implement these

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kinds of things for the people who
really need, you know, in the

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words of Sheriff bax Or a time
out, you know, I think he

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used that expression, and I think
it's really true. You know, we

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have you know, we have catalytic
converter thefts that were an issue. We

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have car thefts that were an issue. We have stores that can't possibly continue

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to sustain the kinds of losses they're
sustaining. Those costs are going to go

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to the next guy who has to
pay for that, or the stores are

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going to leave, right you know, we're seeing that. You see an

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you know, extension of that in
places like San Francisco where businesses are just

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picking up and leaving because they can't
possibly tolerate that kind of lawlessness on a

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regular basis, right, And it's
it's kind of sad that to a certain

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extent, it's happening here. And
I think the consortium is made up of

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a bunch of people who are looking
at the exact same problem from a bunch

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of different views, you know,
And Mike made the point to say,

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it's a diverse group. Not everybody
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There's a lot of disagreement, but
on these core issues public safety, common

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decency, you know, being held
accountable for kind of you know, massive

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theft, those kinds of things,
I think everybody around the table thinks society

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is going to be a better place
when you do when you have that kind

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of accountability in your in your in
your cities, and your counties and your

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state people are I'm sure listening,
nodding along saying I agree. How do

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they get involved? What is the
next step? Who do we need to

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plead this case to so to speak? Yeah, yeah, So before I

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get into what we're doing, what
I'll do is plug the website that we

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have. It's our consortium n Y
dot com, our oh u R Consortium

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n Y dot com. And it's
a very simple website in its infancy stages,

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but there's a little red button on
there that you can can click to

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read our proposal what we want to
see out of out of state law develop

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and it's very it's four very simple
issues. You know, we already talked

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about two of them judges having the
ability to detain people based upon their risk

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to public safety a ka A dangerousness
standard. Number two is being able to

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hold the repeat offender. Number three
is something and I was going to chime

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in here when you guys were talking
about this earlier. What we want is

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clean law. So what you have
are, like I said, six major

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reforms to our justice system over five
years that have occurred in any any sort

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of mass overhaul like that is not
going to to occur. Without confusion.

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And that's what we're seeing right now. Sometimes, like you would indicated earlier,

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built judges are just cutting people loose
because maybe that's what the law tells

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them to do. Right. Other
times they're doing it because judges, lawyers,

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cops, victims in suspects, and
the list goes on. We're not

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clear on the law, gotcha,
nobody's clear on the law. Because so

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you get the gray area so to
speak, right, well, you've got

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I don't think it offers a lot
of gray area, to be honest with

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you, but it's an unintended gray
area. This is an unintended consequence of

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all the reforms that have come down. They've just resulted in a lot of

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confusion in some of its you know, intentional confusion, if you will,

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But of a lot of it is
just by you've got just such a massive

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overhaul to a system that we're used
to doing this way. But now we're

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changing this in six months later,
we're going to amend that you know,

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bat reformat and of it elf thick
off the top of my head has been

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amended at least three times, not
to mention racey age in a few of

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the other reforms. So it's difficult
to keep up with. So that's the

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third topic we're asking for in in
our proposal that you can view on our

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consortium n y dot com. We
want clean law. Let's let's distill this

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down so that it's fair for everybody, including the suspects, including the people

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who arresting. If you are doing
a c will happen to you and b

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could that should be made clear.
It's only fair to everybody involved in the

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system. And lastly, the this
was kind of a late add on,

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but it just made sense. Sheriff
Baxter stood with with several members of the

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state legislature, Senator Helming and Senator
Ort this this proposal for elder parole came

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out and it was just so unbelievable
to the group. It was shocking that

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we we had to include this in
our proposal. Essentially, what that proposal

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says is that if a person convicted
of a crime has done at least fifteen

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years of their sentence and they are
fifty five years old, they are automatically

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belligible excuse me, eligible for a
parole hearing. I looked high and low

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in that law. The Sheriff's Council
looked high and low in that law.

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The district Attorney and her staff looked
through that law. We were unable to

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find anywhere in there that had said, well except if you did this.

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So that means guys like Mark Christie
that killed Kley and Polton, when this

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law passes, will be eligible for
a parole hearing. I'm not saying he's

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getting out, but he at least
gets thet hearing right. So essentially,

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what this law says is there is
no longer life without parole in New York

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State, and that is unacceptable.
That is unacceptable. We're not talking about

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people being held pre trial. We're
talking about people being convicted of crimes that

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have gone to serve a sentence,
serve your time. So what I'm hearing

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you say is you're you're almost looking
You're looking for fair. Let's have a

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fair look at the person committing the
crime, be able to assess where they

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are and then decide the punishment from
there, and let's make things fair that

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you know, Mark Christie probably shouldn't
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That's what you were sentenced to,
not a fifty five after fifteen or

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twenty years that you've been in it
that that that would happen. I think

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that, So who does this go
to when you when you make these proposals,

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Who's who's the decider of of what
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I would assume it has to go
to assembly members, state senators, right,

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these sort of people then who then
try to bring it and revise the

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laws or make new laws. Yeah, yeah, maybe I'll jump in go.

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So this is not a new effort. This has been going on now

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for a little while. And the
I'm sorry, and so this has been

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going on for a little while,
and and the people that's the people it's

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going to have seen it, have
discussed it. I have talked about it,

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and there's been pushback. So for
a number of political reasons, which

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I don't totally understand that I'm not
a politician. I don't want to be

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a politician. But like I said
that, that core value of protect,

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you know, protect the citizens seems
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little bit here for for whatever reason. I can't really say that, but

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the but these concepts are not new. People are not seeing these proposals for

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the first time. And I think
what we're doing is we're really trying to,

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you know, expand the number of
people who are supporting this. You

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know, there's efforts downstate as well. I keep seeing, you know,

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in New York City people are feeling
unsafe, in the Five Boroughs are feeling

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unsafe. That's not part of this
consortium, but those voices are becoming more

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and more organized and more and more. Uh, you know, I'm hoping

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that at some point somebody is going
to say we can't continue to, you

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know, ignore those voices. And
that's and I don't know where you're going

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to go. Mike. I'm sorry
I stepped on you there, but not

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at all. But the concept that
this is this some sort of a new

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initiative, I mean this, you
know, the folks involved have been pushing

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this initiative and there's been there's been
previous budget proposals, and there's been some

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high ranking people talking about this,
and it doesn't seem to get any traction.

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So I think one of the reasons
we're trying to be animated about this

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is this needs a fair hearing and
people with common sense need to start looking

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at this legitimately. Let let's just
take one brief moment, but then I

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have questions that I'll ask you after
twenty years of service, and then you

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00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:36,920
doc who's been seeing people come in
for a quarter century to the in terms

409
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:40,839
of what we're seeing in society,
and then what is the answer? We

410
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:45,559
talk about grassroots, We talk about
all these things, and there's a phrase

411
00:29:45,599 --> 00:29:48,759
that gained a lot of traction over
the past couple of years that I feel

412
00:29:48,799 --> 00:29:52,680
like, I don't know, but
I feel like fuel some of what we

413
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see today. We'll get to that
next, but first, ah B TB

414
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415
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416
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417
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up from the inside out. It's
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418
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pepper jack, Hollopanios Nashville Hot and
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419
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or exchange the fries out for the
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420
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421
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422
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423
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If you're not going to the game, go to btb's. You got a

424
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lot of You're gonna have a ton
of Bills fans there. And every time

425
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the Bills score, they hit the
shout song. I mean, it's just

426
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427
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428
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429
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430
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431
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get the Carlson hads one of the
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432
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433
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434
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seven and nine. The Great Jim
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435
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to lockdown. Man. I didn't
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436
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going out of my mind. About
four months in, I was so desperate.

437
00:31:33,079 --> 00:31:36,400
I was on my driveway. I
was so horny. I looked at

438
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my tailpip in my car. I
go, that might work. I didn't

439
00:31:41,519 --> 00:31:44,319
do it. I'm just saying that's
how that's how I fucked up it was.

440
00:31:44,359 --> 00:31:49,640
I'm like, maybe I didn't do
it. I'm just saying I've done

441
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:52,799
something similar to that. Like when
I was in college, me and my

442
00:31:52,839 --> 00:31:55,160
friends were at a gas issue where
pump my gas. We're all drunk,

443
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:57,559
two thirty in the morning. I
took the gas cap off and then make

444
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my friend laugh. I put my
penis in the gas. He's like,

445
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:04,880
yeah, what an asshole. You
know, I didn't put in the tailpipe.

446
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:08,480
That's wrong. You know. Look, I can't defend what I did.

447
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It was a long time ago.
I was in college. I'm just

448
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afraid this day and age, that
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449
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meet to me all the night,
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450
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467
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one of the greatest guitar riffs in
rock, I really do. And I

468
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asked who. I asked the doc
for his favorite song we would bump with

469
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:10,000
it coming back, and he said
this song, and I was a little

470
00:34:10,079 --> 00:34:14,840
taken. I was like, wow, all right, but that Mark Knopfler

471
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:20,119
really underrated, right, good stuff? Yeah, really good stuff, really

472
00:34:20,159 --> 00:34:22,760
good stuff. That's one of the
few things I could listen to with my

473
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:25,079
kids in the car because otherwise their
their tastes are completely different. But they

474
00:34:25,159 --> 00:34:30,400
like this also. Yes, I
had the same problem with my kids.

475
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:32,559
I was always uh more class.
I love the Stones, and I like

476
00:34:32,679 --> 00:34:36,840
some of the deeper stuff, and
always singer songwriter kind of stuff. So

477
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:40,079
I got my youngest hooked on John
Hyatt. We would sing Tennessee Plates and

478
00:34:40,159 --> 00:34:43,280
he was a little baby. It
was, you know, one of the

479
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:46,039
cleaner songs that you can get away
with the kids. That was always fun.

480
00:34:46,559 --> 00:34:52,840
All right, So I'm mispronouncing that
it's the Consortium, am I consortup?

481
00:34:53,039 --> 00:34:55,280
Consort she up? And I could
be mispresnusd no no, no,

482
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:58,119
no, no, no. You
guys both have said it. The same

483
00:34:58,119 --> 00:35:04,760
way I have mispronounced it SOURCEUM for
safe Communities. So I really feel like

484
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:10,079
there is a great lack of respect. I feel like there is a lack

485
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:16,880
of I don't know, even self
respect with people these days. You know,

486
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:21,280
when you go back, people to
always go hey, you see pictures

487
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:24,320
of stadiums in the nineteen forties,
the World Series, and everybody was in

488
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:29,119
suits and dresses, and you just
almost held yourself to a higher standard.

489
00:35:29,559 --> 00:35:32,159
I get it. Styles change,
people change all that, but there is

490
00:35:32,199 --> 00:35:37,719
something about in our society where we
really have lost a lot of respect.

491
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:42,840
I mean, we can go on
and see anything from anywhere. We watch

492
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:46,559
people melt down, We watch people
throwing food back at people at you know,

493
00:35:46,639 --> 00:35:50,599
at fast food. You see it
all. It is a level of

494
00:35:50,679 --> 00:35:54,719
disrespect for humanity that I have never
seen. Now, we could say it's

495
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:58,719
always gone on and we just never
saw it, but I don't believe that.

496
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:02,719
And I don't know if some times, you know, it's the copycat

497
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:07,440
theory of you know, when somebody
is doing this, so therefore I'm gonna

498
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:09,079
do it as well, or I
want the attention, or hey, this

499
00:36:09,159 --> 00:36:13,360
is the cool thing to do online. I'm not sure. He saw.

500
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:15,480
It was something that I thought was
horrific and came up on the podcast just

501
00:36:15,519 --> 00:36:20,639
the other night, the knockout game
where people would just walk down the street

502
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:22,760
and knock somebody out. And I
would always say, you know, I've

503
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:27,239
instructed boxing for many years. It's
not so much the punch as it is

504
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:30,719
the fall, right, the fall
is what can really screw up. I

505
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:32,239
mean, Doc, you could probably
speak to that. It's you know,

506
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:37,039
I've known people who have gone out
to answer the phone, slipped off a

507
00:36:37,159 --> 00:36:40,159
curb and hit their head and wound
up in rehab with brain swelling and all

508
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:44,480
kinds of things. It's the fall
that does it. You know, a

509
00:36:44,519 --> 00:36:47,960
lot of times if you have an
elderly parent or grandparent, you worry about

510
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:53,360
them. The fall is sometimes worse
than whatever made them fall whatever. You

511
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:57,719
know, they may have had a
momentary heart thing that made them. Okay,

512
00:36:58,039 --> 00:37:00,159
we can figure that out, but
the fall and they not they're they're

513
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:02,800
they're not going around that that's the
bad stuff. And you said it yourself.

514
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:06,719
If a boxer is hitting a boxer, you have defensive movies. You

515
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:12,960
know it's coming right. You're not
some person walking down the streets and defenseless.

516
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:16,440
Just that stuff is crazy. But
one of the things that I really

517
00:37:17,079 --> 00:37:23,079
was very puzzled by, and I
was more puzzled because again I was really

518
00:37:23,119 --> 00:37:29,920
hoping that the idea just had a
bad title and that was defund the police,

519
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:34,199
And I thought, could you rename
it to something like reallocate? If

520
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:40,800
you feel like there is not a
communication, enough communication or enough why I

521
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:46,000
don't know what, but between the
citizens and the police force, then why

522
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:51,039
aren't we building that up. There
used to be youth leagues that the police

523
00:37:51,079 --> 00:37:53,760
would be coaches in and and different
things. I think John Wallace, who

524
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:58,239
went on to be a star for
the New York Knicks, certainly a Syracuse

525
00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:02,400
star, had started out in the
police leagus. Those budgets. Obviously,

526
00:38:02,519 --> 00:38:06,199
things change and we have to make
choices, and those budgets were cut.

527
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:09,280
But now all of a sudden we're
talking about, well we want to reallocate.

528
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:12,960
Well, what are you doing in
place of this? Then? I

529
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:15,800
mean in the city of Rochester.
And this will get a little political,

530
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:20,480
and I apologize, but now you're
going to put people in charge of basically

531
00:38:20,519 --> 00:38:24,360
disciplining the police. The accountability board
for people who have never done any kind

532
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:29,079
of law enforcement, and I feel
like all of that sends a message of

533
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:32,679
you're the enemy. Yeah, And
I'm sorry, I don't mean to be

534
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:37,800
so frank about it, but it
really feels like at times that that's become

535
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:39,880
the enemy. Well, just before
Mike jumps in, because I know he

536
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:43,679
has an opinion on this, so
I told you earlier. We do a

537
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:45,760
lot with something called Project Exile.
Yes, And one of the things that

538
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:50,280
Project Exile does is they're in the
community in the summer, right, So

539
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:53,039
they pick neighborhoods and they do a
lot of work through what's called tips And

540
00:38:53,079 --> 00:38:57,079
maybe you've heard about that, Yes, the programs where they set up in

541
00:38:57,079 --> 00:38:59,199
neighborhoods and they do a lot of
work and they talk to a lot of

542
00:38:59,199 --> 00:39:04,440
neighborhood folks. And what's interesting to
me, the rit Criminal Justice School does

543
00:39:04,559 --> 00:39:07,360
kind of an analysis of the questions
that are asked in the neighborhood. And

544
00:39:07,559 --> 00:39:12,320
the folks in the neighborhood do not
disrespect the police. When you go and

545
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:15,880
you talk to people at their door. They need the police, they want

546
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:19,480
the police, They respect the police. So I don't know what voice is

547
00:39:19,519 --> 00:39:23,519
out there being portrayed as the majority, But when you talk to citizens,

548
00:39:23,599 --> 00:39:28,559
especially people who live in these high
risk neighborhoods, they want support, They

549
00:39:28,599 --> 00:39:30,760
want the police, They want to
know are they there, who their officers

550
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:34,519
are. They want those people to
be part of their community and they want

551
00:39:34,559 --> 00:39:37,280
to support them. Well, I
believe that. So I believe that so

552
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:40,880
much. But I do wonder that
is there also a fear in those communities

553
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:45,239
to be the one to turn to
the police. Well, so I think

554
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:50,760
one of the benefits of the way
that that the thing is set up in

555
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:53,039
the summer is people come to your
door and they're talking to you at your

556
00:39:53,079 --> 00:39:55,440
door, so you're not calling the
police. There's not a police car parked

557
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:59,559
in front of your house, but
you have an opportunity to interact with the

558
00:39:59,559 --> 00:40:02,079
police. I think it was a
very positive message that the neighborhoods that you

559
00:40:02,079 --> 00:40:05,960
would think would be the least likely
to trust the police, when you talk

560
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:08,519
to people who live there, there
is actually significant trust. I think you're

561
00:40:08,559 --> 00:40:10,599
not hearing that, so I don't
you know, I don't know what you

562
00:40:10,639 --> 00:40:14,719
were going to say, but but
I was surprised by that. And I've

563
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:19,079
looked at the reports that were generated
by rit because the credital Justice students go

564
00:40:19,159 --> 00:40:22,360
through and look at the work that's
done there, and I thought that was

565
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:24,679
actually very surprising because these are areas
where I would you know, I would

566
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:28,760
initially have thought exactly what you said. But when you when you talk to

567
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:31,760
people who live there, they they
want safety. They want their kid to

568
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:35,480
be able to go to the go
to school, or go to the store

569
00:40:35,519 --> 00:40:39,119
without being without being threatened. And
they're having trouble making that happen. And

570
00:40:39,159 --> 00:40:43,239
that's like in the city, maybe
not as much in the county, but

571
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:45,599
certainly, you know, I think, well, that seems to be where

572
00:40:45,599 --> 00:40:51,079
you're seeing most of the people that
are coming to need your services and your

573
00:40:51,159 --> 00:40:53,480
skills. Well. So so for
us, it's a little different because we're

574
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:58,360
we're you know, we're a regional
trauma center, so we have seventeen eighteen

575
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:01,199
counties that send patients to us.
Okay, so the shootings and stabbings come

576
00:41:01,199 --> 00:41:05,559
predominantly from the larger city areas,
you know, but we definitely, you

577
00:41:05,599 --> 00:41:07,199
know, you get some stuff around
the borders. We got a lot of

578
00:41:07,199 --> 00:41:10,039
car accidents, and some of those
cars are stolen cars, you know,

579
00:41:10,119 --> 00:41:15,039
so those those things have a little
less less boundaries associated with them. But

580
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:17,760
what I was surprised at having looked
at this issue was, you know,

581
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:22,000
there is a baseline level of support, and it's not talked about, you

582
00:41:22,039 --> 00:41:24,719
know, for whatever reason that the
public of you know, the what you're

583
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:30,079
hearing in the news the loudest voice, the loud loudest voices or anti police

584
00:41:30,119 --> 00:41:32,239
defund the police, and and you
know, don't trust your local police officer.

585
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:37,239
But you know, I think I
think they're you know, you interact

586
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:38,960
with people all the time, and
I don't think you get that sense from

587
00:41:39,039 --> 00:41:44,840
the general population. No, I
I certainly do not. I want to

588
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:50,440
so badly right now play for you
guys. Bill Burr, the comedian talking

589
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:52,840
about and I don't know if anybody
saw this, but he talked about black

590
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:59,199
Lives matter and how white suburban women, as he says, swung their gucci

591
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:04,480
footed boot over to that. And
I don't mean to be I don't mean

592
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:08,760
this in any disingenuous way. I'm
just saying what the doctor so eloquently just

593
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:15,039
put forth is the communities themselves that
have the biggest problems want the police.

594
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:19,440
The voices we are hearing are people
who are not living in those communities saying

595
00:42:19,519 --> 00:42:23,280
defund the police. But that's that's
a problem. And I'll say this,

596
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:28,079
and this would be the only thing
I would say in defense, is somebody,

597
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:31,320
I don't think that just because you
don't live in a community that that

598
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:37,280
precludes you from having an opinion on
the way law enforcement activities are conducted in

599
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:42,559
a location. So I'll give them
that much. However, when you do

600
00:42:42,639 --> 00:42:46,639
live in a community. However,
when you do live in a community,

601
00:42:46,679 --> 00:42:49,559
well, you know, I work
in the city of Rochester. I don't

602
00:42:49,639 --> 00:42:52,039
live there, but I spend eight
ten hours a day in the city of

603
00:42:52,119 --> 00:42:55,639
Rochester. I walk the streets in
the city of Rochester, so I feel

604
00:42:55,639 --> 00:43:01,440
like I have some valid input.
But where I was going was at exactly

605
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:07,079
what the doctor said. I have
a pretty good amount of interaction with people

606
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:12,440
from different neighborhood groups and associations and
victims of crime from all around the County

607
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:15,679
of Monroe, to include the city
of Rochester. I've never had anybody tell

608
00:43:15,679 --> 00:43:17,960
me, you know, I wish
you guys could get out of out of

609
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:23,480
my neighborhood. It doesn't it doesn't
happen often. I'm not saying it doesn't

610
00:43:23,519 --> 00:43:28,119
happen at all, but I've never
heard it. And I think that what

611
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:35,320
the doctor said earlier, you've got
some loud voices, some loud voices offering

612
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:39,480
input. I don't know what the
motivating factor behind it is. Maybe maybe

613
00:43:39,519 --> 00:43:45,199
it's because they truly believe what they're
saying, but maybe it's because right now

614
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:51,599
it's you know, it's the thing
that's trending online and here is a massive

615
00:43:51,639 --> 00:43:54,360
marketing campaign created under the guise of
equal justice for all. But what they

616
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:59,880
don't realize is by taking police out
of neighborhoods, you're creating that in a

617
00:44:00,079 --> 00:44:02,920
quality because the police are there to
provide a service and keep people safe.

618
00:44:04,159 --> 00:44:07,239
And when you start removing that service
and neighborhoods become more dangerous. You know,

619
00:44:07,559 --> 00:44:13,840
the grafts over here that just creates
and equities and injustices. So as

620
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:20,559
you're as you're walking the streets of
Rochester and maybe other community in Monroe County,

621
00:44:21,039 --> 00:44:25,960
what is the answer what is needed
there? Where we talk about let's

622
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:31,760
say money being put forth in certain
areas, money is thrown at things all

623
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:35,480
the time, right, I mean, we could look at one of the

624
00:44:35,519 --> 00:44:38,719
biggest ones would be urban school districts, not just the city of Rochester,

625
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:44,440
anywhere let's say New York State are
trying all these different things that it's like

626
00:44:44,599 --> 00:44:49,679
anything against the wall that doesn't stick. But it sounds like this, uh,

627
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:54,679
this plan that you guys are putting
together has some kind of real Hey,

628
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:59,400
here's something we believe will work.
We've seen it work here, or

629
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:01,519
we've seen it work there. We've
talked to other communities. What are some

630
00:45:01,599 --> 00:45:05,679
of these things? So so,
about a year and a half ago,

631
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:08,760
I did a research project for Sheriff
Baxter. We had a very well,

632
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:13,599
I shouldn't say it's very small,
but we had another group and he told

633
00:45:13,639 --> 00:45:15,840
me I'm fired from making decisions on
names of groups because this one was called

634
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:21,920
the Coalition for Community Safety. Okay, but this group was much different.

635
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:24,719
We stepped out of our comfort zone
a little bit and we got with some

636
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:32,719
folks actually, some from some state
lawmaker's offices and their staff, and we

637
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:38,719
we drafted a white paper on sort
of a social oriented program that we thought

638
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:42,679
could help some families in need,
going back to what you said earlier about

639
00:45:42,679 --> 00:45:45,840
some of these kids that needed a
father or a mother to wrap their arm

640
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:50,840
around them. So so we got
with this group and sort of created a

641
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:55,320
proposal that we could get behind.
Is it relates to to coming up from

642
00:45:55,360 --> 00:46:00,679
that that end and the prevention side, you know, says it all the

643
00:46:00,679 --> 00:46:02,760
time, prevention, prevention, enforcement, recovery. I said it twice,

644
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:07,000
not because it was a mistake.
That is the most important part of the

645
00:46:07,039 --> 00:46:12,079
solution. So there's a reason we
say it twice. But it also goes

646
00:46:12,119 --> 00:46:15,519
back to another old adage. The
best time to plant the tree is fifteen

647
00:46:15,599 --> 00:46:17,719
years ago. So the prevention efforts
that we're starting on right now, we're

648
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:21,440
going to realize in ten years.
We're going to realize them in fifteen years

649
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:24,840
when these become excellent people going on
to do great things in their communities and

650
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:30,920
their spheres of influence. But the
thing is that we're seeing we can do

651
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:35,239
both of those things. It doesn't
have to be one or the other,

652
00:46:35,679 --> 00:46:39,639
you know, Bill Bratt and the
old New York City Police commissioner said one

653
00:46:39,679 --> 00:46:43,039
time, and I always mess this
up, so I'm going to ask you

654
00:46:43,079 --> 00:46:46,079
to edit me if I really mess
it up. But you know, public

655
00:46:46,159 --> 00:46:52,079
safety and fair treatment under the law
are not mutually exclusive items, and they

656
00:46:52,079 --> 00:46:55,360
can be achieved simultaneously. And we
wholeheartedly believe that in this group. So

657
00:46:55,559 --> 00:47:01,079
yes, let's do all of those
things at to help these kids at home,

658
00:47:01,119 --> 00:47:07,599
to help mother, single mother,
sing you know, poverty, all

659
00:47:07,639 --> 00:47:10,440
of those things. Yes, we
want to see those efforts made. And

660
00:47:10,519 --> 00:47:16,679
this white paper included a an appendix
that I think was about eighteen pages long,

661
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:22,239
just resources in Rochester, New York. We are incredibly, incredibly rich

662
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:24,480
with resources, yea, in the
greater Rochester area. I agree. So

663
00:47:24,639 --> 00:47:28,239
let's keep doing those things, and
more importantly, let's hone in on the

664
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:30,920
ones at work and apply, like
you said, funding to the ones at

665
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:35,360
work. Well, there were some
great things. I remember a reverend that

666
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:39,639
I am forgetting his name, but
it was I can read was the program?

667
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:44,679
It was Bishop but David Singleton,
David Yes, Yes, he's a

668
00:47:44,679 --> 00:47:47,840
great man. Yes, a firefighter, Okay, and he and I remember

669
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:51,920
having him on the radio and people
would do it and it was just a

670
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:55,119
great way to go and give a
little extra help to young people first second

671
00:47:55,119 --> 00:48:00,559
grade, maybe kindergarten and giving them
a chance to read and helping them learn

672
00:48:00,599 --> 00:48:05,440
to read, and how important that
is and maybe in some of the suburbs.

673
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:08,159
I'll just tell you, like you
know, we in terms of that,

674
00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:12,039
you go to the city of Rochester, right, and we look at

675
00:48:12,079 --> 00:48:16,679
one of the poorest school districts in
the country, and then you go fifteen

676
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:21,320
minutes in the other direction and you've
got Pittsford who for many, many,

677
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:24,280
many many years, only until recently
my kids went through this, it was

678
00:48:24,639 --> 00:48:29,599
half day kindergarten. They didn't offer
full day kindergarten. And the reason was

679
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:32,719
the kids were getting read to at
home, they were learning to do there

680
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:37,199
was just more input. Now,
look, there's a lot going on.

681
00:48:37,519 --> 00:48:42,320
Poverty brings all kinds of problems.
But if we want to solve this and

682
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:46,840
if we really believe that we can
help, and the Consortium believes that's part

683
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:51,880
of it is getting in there and
helping. Education is a key thing.

684
00:48:52,079 --> 00:48:58,400
And boy, this was something I
always always hold so big. As we

685
00:48:58,559 --> 00:49:02,400
talk about self esteem and self teams, get a kid to win, you

686
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:07,360
can push them even further. You're
the best coaches were the ones that yelled

687
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:09,239
at you when you won, screamed
about all the mistakes you made. You

688
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:14,400
could handle it because you won felt
great. They were a little more compassionate

689
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:16,159
when you lost because they could.
But it's that kind of thing. It's

690
00:49:16,159 --> 00:49:21,039
almost like you just need some coaches
along the way, and boy, you

691
00:49:21,039 --> 00:49:24,760
can change things quickly. And when
somebody feels good about themselves, they can

692
00:49:25,159 --> 00:49:29,119
run through walls anybody, I don't
care who they are, where they came

693
00:49:29,159 --> 00:49:31,480
from. They start feeling good about
themselves, they can do really really great

694
00:49:31,519 --> 00:49:37,559
things. And I think that there's
a cycle of all kinds of things.

695
00:49:37,559 --> 00:49:39,480
It comes into depression and all of
it right, because I feel like there's

696
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:43,280
no win, there's no way out. The world sucks. I can't get

697
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:45,079
anywhere. But boy, we start, you know, going in and just

698
00:49:45,159 --> 00:49:52,159
those programs like I can Read were
really wonderful things that had just were grassroots.

699
00:49:52,199 --> 00:49:53,559
I mean we talked about grassroots.
I don't think there was any real

700
00:49:53,559 --> 00:49:55,880
funding with that. I think it
was just simply like you got a book

701
00:49:55,880 --> 00:50:00,280
at home that your kids aren't reading
anymore, bringing in and we we've got

702
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:02,320
a first grader who left to try
Yeah, yeah, and uh. In

703
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:08,480
that part particular program, what the
bishop did was he was getting peers to

704
00:50:08,519 --> 00:50:12,880
come into the schools and he'll look
link them up with one kid, you

705
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:15,199
know that was your peer for the
school year. And all he asked for

706
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:19,559
is an hour a week. You
go into the school, you team up

707
00:50:19,599 --> 00:50:22,039
with a kid, and he told
a great story about the former Rochester City

708
00:50:22,079 --> 00:50:28,639
fire chief. I think it's John
Coffield actually got a non verbal kid with

709
00:50:28,679 --> 00:50:31,960
autism to by the end of year
two. He wouldn't give up on the

710
00:50:32,039 --> 00:50:35,840
kid. He got him to read. Wow. Yeah. So you hear

711
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:38,280
those stories and and you know,
I get as encouraged as as I can

712
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:43,960
see that you are. And those
are just incredibly powerful stories. You know,

713
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:47,880
those prevention efforts are so important in
this group, you know has not

714
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:52,280
lost sight of that. We we
want those people to do that work,

715
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:59,039
and we will stand with them whenever, whenever they need us. Uh,

716
00:50:59,079 --> 00:51:02,760
and we'll support those for it's one
hundred percent. I've always believed that no

717
00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:07,679
matter what in life, if you
wanted to do something, that people would

718
00:51:07,679 --> 00:51:10,159
meet you halfway. If there's somebody
in one of these communities, as the

719
00:51:10,199 --> 00:51:15,400
doctor was talking about, who really
wants to make a difference in is just

720
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:19,800
looking for help, Hey how do
I fix my street my block? People

721
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:22,079
will meet you halfway. I mean, there's a bunch of people who want

722
00:51:22,119 --> 00:51:25,360
to see a better life for everybody. That's what we're talking about, a

723
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:29,559
better life. So one of the
things that strikes me is interesting is we

724
00:51:29,599 --> 00:51:31,760
really do have a lot of resources
in this community and even in like you

725
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:34,719
know, when you look at the
state budget, a lot of money is

726
00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:37,679
allocated to this problem. So so
what I like to you know, you

727
00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:40,119
can make fun of me for the
medical side of this, but I have

728
00:51:40,199 --> 00:51:44,159
kind of an analogy that I you
know, when I talk about this that

729
00:51:45,079 --> 00:51:47,599
I try to push a little bit
and I look at the issue with crime

730
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:51,920
similar to like a wound that's not
healing. Yeah, so you know,

731
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:53,679
most people are familiar with what a
wound looks like, especially when that's not

732
00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:58,840
healing. And the way you get
a wound to heal, number one is

733
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:01,559
you cut the dead stuff off right, and then once that stuff is off,

734
00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:05,559
then you apply Like you know,
we're living in a modern age.

735
00:52:05,559 --> 00:52:08,599
There's a lot of new medications and
potions and things like that that you can

736
00:52:08,599 --> 00:52:12,880
put on that wound to help the
healthy tissue heal. So, you know,

737
00:52:13,079 --> 00:52:15,239
similar to what the Consortium's trying to
do, Like you pick the most

738
00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:19,760
dangerous elements in your community, they
just got to go. You cannot keep

739
00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:23,199
them out and about, and then
you take all the resources the money that

740
00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:27,000
you know, all of the other
programs and you apply them to where you

741
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:30,079
think they're going to do the most
good to try and heal what's left.

742
00:52:30,559 --> 00:52:32,639
And you know, it's a little
bit of an analogy that maybe it doesn't

743
00:52:32,679 --> 00:52:37,039
necessarily land all the time, but
uh, you know, but there's a

744
00:52:37,079 --> 00:52:39,320
lot of people really care about this
and money is being expended here. But

745
00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:43,760
I think, you know, the
truly hardened criminals are not going to stop

746
00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:45,400
doing what they're doing, right,
and so this is so there's your problem

747
00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:50,639
in the commissue as a mischief you
so, you know, so you know,

748
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:52,760
on a wound, you want to
take that stuff off right, and

749
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:57,639
then you apply all these things to
what's left because you really want a healthy

750
00:52:57,639 --> 00:52:59,840
community, you want a healthy tissue, you want to be able to heal,

751
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:02,280
so you know. So I think
that's not different from kind of the

752
00:53:02,519 --> 00:53:07,679
overall concept of looking at things like
a dangerousness standards. Doesn't mean everybody has

753
00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:09,760
to be, you know, to
the fullest extent of the law, but

754
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:13,960
the ones who are truly out there
causing real mischief, and it's the minority

755
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:15,840
of people, it's absolutely not a
big number, but it's you know,

756
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:21,079
those people are running loose all what's
the old adage it's a simple one.

757
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:23,079
One bad apple spoils the bunch,
so to speak, right, I mean

758
00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:29,199
it's sort of what you're saying to
this. So is this falling on deaf

759
00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:34,880
ears and by that I mean with
the leaders, is it is the resistance

760
00:53:35,199 --> 00:53:38,480
you said you mentioned pushback before a
little bit. I mean, do they

761
00:53:38,519 --> 00:53:45,119
need to come and hear and talk
almost like a you know, some kind

762
00:53:45,159 --> 00:53:47,239
of a board meeting where people come
up and say, hey, this is

763
00:53:47,239 --> 00:53:52,159
what's happening in my community and we
need your help. And we've had those

764
00:53:52,199 --> 00:53:54,440
meetings. Yeah, Like I said, this group again in October of twenty

765
00:53:54,440 --> 00:54:05,920
two and we met with several different
members of the Rochester Majority delegation and they've

766
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:12,320
heard us, they've heard you know, they've heard our proposal for the ability

767
00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:15,840
to detain people that are dangerous,
people that are repeat defenders, and of

768
00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:22,000
course what what we currently have is
the risk of flight. There have been

769
00:54:23,039 --> 00:54:27,880
meetings, not only with the Consortium
and Sheriff Baxter Is is met with just

770
00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:34,559
about each and every one of them
individually. We see no action. Some

771
00:54:34,639 --> 00:54:39,880
of the reason that we are offered
is that majority of policy making decisions are

772
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:45,920
done downstate. Uh, that's where
you know the power exists within the legislature

773
00:54:47,079 --> 00:54:52,840
and and that's we understand that.
But what we're looking for to occur here

774
00:54:53,000 --> 00:55:00,840
is our representation in this area needs
to hear what with their community and their

775
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:05,639
constituents are asking for right and we
believe we offer a good representation of that.

776
00:55:06,920 --> 00:55:10,159
I did a quick pull before I
came here, and this letter when

777
00:55:10,159 --> 00:55:20,079
we sent it off to this list
of New York state legislative representative representatives along

778
00:55:20,119 --> 00:55:22,559
with the governor and a couple members
of her cabinet, I think it had

779
00:55:22,599 --> 00:55:27,800
about eighteen hundred signatures on it when
we sent it. We continue to keep

780
00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:30,320
the opportunity for people to sign on
and support of those initiatives, and I

781
00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:34,320
think we're around twenty three hundred signatures
on it right now, and we intend

782
00:55:34,320 --> 00:55:37,960
to keep it wide open with no
end in sight. What's that website again?

783
00:55:38,320 --> 00:55:43,400
Yeah, that website is our consortium
hy dot com. Oh, you

784
00:55:43,519 --> 00:55:49,800
are our consortium Inway dot com.
So make it simple. That's teasing.

785
00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:52,960
I lost. I lost the Yeah, you know, but I would I

786
00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:57,360
would argue that, you know,
this effort, what we're talking about here

787
00:55:57,440 --> 00:56:00,159
is an upstate New York effort.
Yes, the issues are the same on

788
00:56:00,199 --> 00:56:02,679
state. So when you say that, you know the power brokers are downstate.

789
00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:07,559
If they talk to their constituents,
they're not going to hear a different

790
00:56:07,559 --> 00:56:09,440
story. You know, you'd be
very interesting you ask somebody, let's have

791
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:13,119
a press conference. Find me ten
people that you think are safer now than

792
00:56:13,119 --> 00:56:15,239
they were five years ago. Let's
put them up here and ask them some

793
00:56:15,320 --> 00:56:17,280
questions. Good luck find and you
know, finding ten people that live in

794
00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:21,880
these neighborhoods that are feeling safer,
feeling less likely that their car is going

795
00:56:21,880 --> 00:56:23,000
to get stolen, that their kids
going to get molested on the way to

796
00:56:23,199 --> 00:56:28,719
you know, interfered with on their
way to the school or shopping or something

797
00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:30,440
like that. You know, so
I think what we're doing here is we're

798
00:56:30,519 --> 00:56:35,000
laying some railroad tracks for other people
to follow. But you know, I

799
00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:38,079
think the problems are not unique to
Rochester or Utica or Elmira, and just

800
00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:43,679
piggyback off what the doc said,
we absolutely are laying those railroad tracks.

801
00:56:43,719 --> 00:56:47,719
So on January thirty, a contingency
from this group, the Consortia for Safe

802
00:56:47,719 --> 00:56:53,800
Committees, We're heading out to Buffalo, New York to meet with a very

803
00:56:53,840 --> 00:56:59,079
powerful group out there to essentially give
them the blueprint, and we're going to

804
00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:04,559
we're taking this regional so Buffalo efforts
begin the end of this month. Uh,

805
00:57:04,599 --> 00:57:08,559
and there will be a couple folks
there from the Onondaga County area at

806
00:57:08,599 --> 00:57:12,280
that as well, at that meeting
as well, and then we will start

807
00:57:12,280 --> 00:57:15,519
shifting east down the throu Way with
intentions to take it downstate eventually as well.

808
00:57:15,599 --> 00:57:19,519
Yeah, at least. So what
I mean, what we how do

809
00:57:19,559 --> 00:57:22,480
you change? How do you affect
improvement? You know, the first step

810
00:57:22,519 --> 00:57:27,519
is organization. You just you have
to be organized about it. And that's

811
00:57:27,679 --> 00:57:30,440
uh, you know, that's what
we've spent the last you know, a

812
00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:34,800
little over a year doing, is
essentially building out an organization here people that

813
00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:38,840
you know, share the same concerns. And it's very easy to find those

814
00:57:38,840 --> 00:57:45,119
people, quite frankly, because everybody
in our communities are How frustrating has it

815
00:57:45,239 --> 00:57:50,559
been to try to get this you
see it? Well, well i'll jump

816
00:57:50,559 --> 00:57:52,960
in you. Yeah, Mike's good
at correcting me. But I think it's

817
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:59,039
actually been encouraging. I think the
political side has been extremely frustrating because there's

818
00:57:59,079 --> 00:58:02,599
some pretty common sense here, but
to find such a cross section of the

819
00:58:02,599 --> 00:58:06,679
population truly thinking that this is the
right thing. Yep, you know.

820
00:58:06,840 --> 00:58:09,519
And you know, one of the
things Mike really didn't talk about was the

821
00:58:09,880 --> 00:58:14,760
fact that this consortium has very few
uniforms, very few uniforms, because one

822
00:58:14,800 --> 00:58:16,559
of the initial criticisms was that,
well, gee, you know, law

823
00:58:16,639 --> 00:58:21,760
enforcement's not supportive of this. So
I think the sheriff was very attuned to

824
00:58:21,840 --> 00:58:23,639
that. So this is not a
group of cops saying we don't like this.

825
00:58:23,639 --> 00:58:27,920
This is a group of citizens.
These are people who are directly impacted

826
00:58:27,960 --> 00:58:30,960
by these policies. Who are you
know, the police. You know,

827
00:58:31,039 --> 00:58:35,760
the sheriff and his team is providing
some organization to the structure, but the

828
00:58:35,840 --> 00:58:38,800
voices are not. These are people
who are living in these areas under these

829
00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:42,519
conditions, and they feel this is
the right thing. So I think from

830
00:58:42,519 --> 00:58:45,280
that point of view, it's encouraging, Like this is not just you know,

831
00:58:45,519 --> 00:58:49,400
Mike Samara and Todd Baxter out there
talking about stuff. This is you

832
00:58:49,400 --> 00:58:51,719
know, if you get thirty people
in the room, they're going to agree

833
00:58:51,719 --> 00:58:52,880
on most of these things. You
get fifty people in the room, they're

834
00:58:52,920 --> 00:58:55,480
going to agree on most of these
things, no matter what political background,

835
00:58:55,480 --> 00:58:59,519
no matter what racial background, no
matter what neighborhood they're from. So I

836
00:58:59,519 --> 00:59:02,880
think that part has been encouraging.
Now you can't people to hear it right,

837
00:59:02,920 --> 00:59:06,960
and you can't have life liberty in
the pursuit of happiness when you feel

838
00:59:06,960 --> 00:59:10,519
like you can't even leave your house
in a safe manner. Right there was

839
00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:15,760
you know where the studio is is
right across from the Fairport Police Department,

840
00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:22,760
and a friend of yours, chief
say Chief Baxter. Chief Barnes had come

841
00:59:22,800 --> 00:59:28,559
over and we were doing a podcast
for Fairport and he had victims of a

842
00:59:28,599 --> 00:59:30,880
crime in here. They are an
older couple who lives in the village who

843
00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:35,679
had their trucks stolen out of their
driveway and found in the city right,

844
00:59:35,719 --> 00:59:39,039
all banged up and all and then
all the expense that then is laid at

845
00:59:39,079 --> 00:59:44,480
their feet, all that frustration,
all that and just the feeling of someone

846
00:59:44,519 --> 00:59:46,239
else when they get the truck back
and it's all worked on, had been

847
00:59:46,239 --> 00:59:50,880
in it, all that unsafe feeling
as you're talking about, You're right.

848
00:59:50,960 --> 00:59:52,519
I think if you go around,
you're going to find most people would think

849
00:59:52,559 --> 01:00:00,280
that this is a overdue over Most
people didn't ask to be put No,

850
01:00:00,400 --> 01:00:04,760
they didn't ask for you know,
they're mining their business presumably. I don't

851
01:00:04,800 --> 01:00:07,239
know these people, but you know, we had something similar. We had

852
01:00:07,480 --> 01:00:10,039
a woman her first name was Barb
and I can't think of her last name.

853
01:00:10,480 --> 01:00:15,760
Similar thing. She out in Chilai
Gardens, had her vehicles stolen.

854
01:00:15,079 --> 01:00:21,639
Barba just retired. Barbara retired like
six months prior to that. The only

855
01:00:21,639 --> 01:00:24,960
thing she was focused on was golfing, and all of a sudden she comes

856
01:00:24,960 --> 01:00:30,400
out and her car's gone. She
had to come out of retirement go back

857
01:00:30,440 --> 01:00:35,760
to driving school buses to finance a
new vehicle. That's not right. No,

858
01:00:36,119 --> 01:00:37,360
that's not right. You know,
she was one of I just got

859
01:00:37,360 --> 01:00:43,119
the final numbers in. There were
four thousan five hundred and eleven stolen vehicles

860
01:00:43,119 --> 01:00:47,280
in the County of Monroe last year. That's four thy five hundred and eleven

861
01:00:47,400 --> 01:00:51,599
victims. Yeah, that's a lot
of people. It's a lot of people

862
01:00:51,599 --> 01:00:54,039
that did not ask to be put
into the involved in the criminal justice system.

863
01:00:54,199 --> 01:01:00,880
And more importantly, these are the
first people that are forgotten about justice

864
01:01:00,039 --> 01:01:05,960
begins to occur. I would also
guess that that's not four thousand individual criminals

865
01:01:05,960 --> 01:01:07,639
going out and stealing one car.
Oh, absolutely so. You know,

866
01:01:07,719 --> 01:01:10,199
this gets this gets right back to
what you were talking about. Right,

867
01:01:10,280 --> 01:01:15,440
Somebody has to you know, this
has to be controlled. Yeah, right,

868
01:01:15,519 --> 01:01:16,920
somebody has to do this. And
and I think, no matter what

869
01:01:16,960 --> 01:01:22,320
your political affiliations are, beliefs at
the base, this is common sense,

870
01:01:22,920 --> 01:01:24,440
right. I mean, no matter
where you are on the spectrum, you

871
01:01:24,440 --> 01:01:29,119
don't want your car stolen while you're
inside arguing about it, or you know,

872
01:01:29,320 --> 01:01:31,039
or anything else like not. You
know, I'm using car theft as

873
01:01:31,079 --> 01:01:35,440
an example, but I mean the
retail theft that we're seeing around here.

874
01:01:35,480 --> 01:01:37,920
I mean, this is gonna it's
gonna change prices. It's already changing prices.

875
01:01:37,960 --> 01:01:40,599
It's changed, it's going to chase
stores away. Right. Those are

876
01:01:40,639 --> 01:01:44,559
things that directly impact the community.
And if you're a smaller store, you

877
01:01:44,599 --> 01:01:47,119
can't keep you can't keep sustaining that
kind of theft. So you know,

878
01:01:47,159 --> 01:01:52,400
you bring up retail that Here's what
our proposal is not looking to achieve.

879
01:01:52,760 --> 01:01:57,559
We're not looking to lock up the
kid that goes into the home depot and

880
01:01:57,800 --> 01:02:00,440
you know, steals fifty bucks worth
of stuff. He's never been arrested before.

881
01:02:01,679 --> 01:02:06,880
Nobody wants nobody's looking to lock this
kid up in jail to build there.

882
01:02:08,559 --> 01:02:12,800
But what we do want to do
is, you know, when the

883
01:02:12,840 --> 01:02:16,760
individual coming out of the home depot
with a shopping cart full of mquita sahs

884
01:02:17,760 --> 01:02:22,559
to sell them gets arrested for the
fourth time in two months for doing that,

885
01:02:23,360 --> 01:02:27,960
we can't just continue to give these
people pieces of paper, I call

886
01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:31,519
them promise papers to come back to
court and just keep and expect they're not

887
01:02:31,559 --> 01:02:37,400
going to keep re engaging in that. So it's it's you know, everybody

888
01:02:37,480 --> 01:02:39,960
uses that old saying that I think
it was Albert Einstein said, doing the

889
01:02:39,960 --> 01:02:44,480
same thing over and over again expecting
a different result is insanity. I think

890
01:02:44,480 --> 01:02:47,280
that's a great opening for the You
know that you guys just recently looked at

891
01:02:47,320 --> 01:02:51,840
your appearance tickets right right, and
correct me if I'm wrong. Fifty percent

892
01:02:51,880 --> 01:02:53,719
of the appearance tickets you give go
to people who don't come back to court.

893
01:02:54,039 --> 01:02:57,639
You go and chase them, You
go and chase them, you find

894
01:02:57,679 --> 01:03:00,400
them, you give them yet another
appearance ticket because the original crime was just

895
01:03:00,400 --> 01:03:04,000
an appearance stick. And so you're
kind of chasing your tail. So that

896
01:03:04,119 --> 01:03:06,599
we now know, I mean,
you know, for whatever reason, these

897
01:03:06,679 --> 01:03:08,880
laws were changed well back way back
when we now have a track record to

898
01:03:08,960 --> 01:03:12,599
so that a bunch of the stuff
just doesn't work and it's time to tweak

899
01:03:12,800 --> 01:03:15,480
these things. Yeah, and that's
and that's what we're looking for, Doc.

900
01:03:15,519 --> 01:03:19,199
And you know that simple tweaks.
We're not looking to My boss says

901
01:03:19,239 --> 01:03:21,480
it all the time, throw the
baby out with the bath water. We're

902
01:03:21,519 --> 01:03:23,719
not looking to do that. There
is some merit to the tenants and the

903
01:03:23,760 --> 01:03:30,480
intentions of this legislation that was crafted. We think that people deserve to be

904
01:03:30,719 --> 01:03:36,280
treated fairly and that nobody should be
locked away for minor crimes while they could

905
01:03:36,280 --> 01:03:38,559
be out, you know, providing
for their family, going to work,

906
01:03:38,599 --> 01:03:42,400
going to school, et cetera,
et cetera. But there just there has

907
01:03:42,480 --> 01:03:45,880
to be a level of distinction where
we can sit down and reasonably say this

908
01:03:45,960 --> 01:03:50,559
kid needs a timeout or that guy
needs a time out. You had I

909
01:03:50,599 --> 01:03:54,079
thought it was Sheriff Baxter told me
over the summer that there was one young

910
01:03:54,159 --> 01:04:00,519
person. Could it be involved in
twelve car thefts? Oh that's very believable.

911
01:04:01,559 --> 01:04:05,480
I hope I'm not misspeaking, but
not necessarily always the driver, but

912
01:04:06,039 --> 01:04:12,599
involved in in some way to what
the doc has said. Yeah, this

913
01:04:13,000 --> 01:04:16,559
isn't Okay, that's the you know
that needs the time out or maybe longer,

914
01:04:16,599 --> 01:04:20,239
maybe a nice long time out.
There was we stopped a car I

915
01:04:20,320 --> 01:04:24,639
want to say it was in Penfield
somewhere over the summer, and there were

916
01:04:24,679 --> 01:04:31,559
seven kids in there and a gun. When did that become something that we

917
01:04:31,599 --> 01:04:39,559
are accepting? And I believe all
but one of them were cut loose at

918
01:04:39,559 --> 01:04:42,320
two o'clock in the morning. We
had to argue with a parent to come

919
01:04:42,320 --> 01:04:45,280
down and get their kid. I
mean, these things are occurring, and

920
01:04:46,440 --> 01:04:49,760
when there isn't an appropriate infrastructure for
the kid to go home, gotcha.

921
01:04:50,400 --> 01:04:53,400
You know I could tell you if
I was sixteen years old and I was

922
01:04:53,400 --> 01:04:56,119
out at two o'clock in the morning
and stolen a car, I wouldn't want

923
01:04:56,119 --> 01:05:00,039
to go home. I'd rather go
to jail. But you know the problem

924
01:05:00,119 --> 01:05:06,679
is there's there's no infrastructure to support
the kid at home. And what we're

925
01:05:06,679 --> 01:05:10,639
asking for isn't to go and lock
this kid up in the juvie for the

926
01:05:10,679 --> 01:05:13,960
next six months because he did this. We want to lock him up for

927
01:05:14,000 --> 01:05:15,920
a little bit and get him the
help he needs. We have all this.

928
01:05:16,639 --> 01:05:19,840
I mean, I told you earlier
I had that white paper with eighteen

929
01:05:19,840 --> 01:05:26,360
pages of of of resources available to
people in this in this county. Let's

930
01:05:26,360 --> 01:05:30,159
put those to work for this kid. And then, you know, recognizing

931
01:05:30,199 --> 01:05:33,480
the need for that, the county
executive found a little bit of a work

932
01:05:33,480 --> 01:05:36,719
around and he rolled out what's called
the JETS program for some some more rapid

933
01:05:36,760 --> 01:05:41,199
intervention. Uh. And we're doing
the best we can utilizing that, and

934
01:05:41,239 --> 01:05:44,159
that's proving to be a pretty a
pretty good model. But what we need

935
01:05:44,280 --> 01:05:46,840
is the ability, no matter what
a person's age is, to slow them

936
01:05:46,880 --> 01:05:51,280
down. Whether it's because they're doing
you know, repeat offenses and stealing large

937
01:05:51,280 --> 01:05:57,000
amounts of property from stores, or
if it's the third time they've been caught

938
01:05:57,039 --> 01:06:00,480
with a gun in the last eight
months, that person's dangerous. And I

939
01:06:00,480 --> 01:06:04,760
don't mean illegal gun, I mean
a illegal gun. If you're carrying an

940
01:06:04,760 --> 01:06:09,840
illegal gun around town somewhere, you're
you're dangerous. There's a reason you're carrying

941
01:06:09,840 --> 01:06:14,800
that gun. Yeah, and usually
you're not a great shot. The doc

942
01:06:15,480 --> 01:06:19,000
get a great line the other day. I meant to text you, he

943
01:06:19,159 --> 01:06:25,920
said. Sometimes the first hurdle is
putting the person in the X ray an

944
01:06:26,000 --> 01:06:30,079
ID in which one's the new round, in which one it's not uncommon that

945
01:06:30,079 --> 01:06:32,480
we're taking care of people who have
been shot more than once. And then

946
01:06:32,519 --> 01:06:35,119
when you're trying to figure out where
that this bullet go, you're taking an

947
01:06:35,239 --> 01:06:38,400
X ray to try and figure it
out, and you have to sort out,

948
01:06:38,559 --> 01:06:41,119
you know, was this bullet here
from the last time, And it

949
01:06:41,519 --> 01:06:44,119
changes what we do, It changes
how we do it. And you know,

950
01:06:44,159 --> 01:06:45,880
it's not always, but it happens
with some frequency, and it's not

951
01:06:45,920 --> 01:06:49,880
just a Rochester problem. It happens
in big cities all over your That just

952
01:06:49,920 --> 01:06:56,800
shows you that there is again a
small group that it's committing most of the

953
01:06:56,840 --> 01:06:59,760
crimes. Yeah, yeah, and
I'm and I'm I can't say that enough,

954
01:06:59,800 --> 01:07:01,920
and I thank you for saying it. Now. We know who a

955
01:07:02,000 --> 01:07:05,679
lot of these people are, and
we know there are a lot of people

956
01:07:06,559 --> 01:07:12,119
that get arrested and aren't bad people. And in fact, I would venture

957
01:07:12,159 --> 01:07:15,840
to say the vast majority of people
that become involved with the justice system and

958
01:07:15,880 --> 01:07:20,280
sometimes land themselves in jail, they're
not bad people. They've made some mistakes,

959
01:07:20,280 --> 01:07:27,039
and quite often they go on to
correct those mistakes and leave live highly

960
01:07:27,119 --> 01:07:30,679
you know, successful in meaningful lives. But there's a few hundred people in

961
01:07:30,719 --> 01:07:38,480
our in our area of of Monroe
County that are bad people. Those people,

962
01:07:39,639 --> 01:07:43,440
frankly need to be able to be
detained when they go out and exhibit

963
01:07:43,480 --> 01:07:47,400
this sort of behavior like shooting up
houses. The other night, I think

964
01:07:47,440 --> 01:07:54,159
a house got shot up in a
in an elderly woman was hit by It's

965
01:07:54,679 --> 01:07:57,639
you know that didn't happen. I
don't. Maybe I just didn't watch the

966
01:07:57,679 --> 01:08:00,440
news enough when I was younger,
but I don't remember those sorts of things

967
01:08:00,440 --> 01:08:04,119
occurring. It didn't on a widespread
basis in nineteen ninety five. It just

968
01:08:04,239 --> 01:08:09,719
it didn't, which doesn't seem that
long ago, which shows how old I

969
01:08:09,719 --> 01:08:12,760
am. That's what you say when
you're old, but that's just yesterday.

970
01:08:12,800 --> 01:08:15,199
But it doesn't. I mean,
we're not talking all that long ago.

971
01:08:15,640 --> 01:08:20,600
But it is a generation, right, So within a generation we've seen things

972
01:08:20,680 --> 01:08:26,600
changed drastically and not necessarily for the
good. So again, I think,

973
01:08:27,479 --> 01:08:30,439
how do people get involved in this
to make a difference, lend their voice

974
01:08:30,840 --> 01:08:34,840
or at least their signature, to
try to make some change to the laws

975
01:08:35,079 --> 01:08:41,279
that will directly impact this. And
I think your analogy, as much as

976
01:08:41,479 --> 01:08:45,359
you're a doctor Nerd, was fantastic
now I really do. We're you're talking

977
01:08:45,399 --> 01:08:48,439
about cutting off and then you know, making the wound heal. How do

978
01:08:48,479 --> 01:08:51,199
we do that? And it is
getting rid of the bad stuff, But

979
01:08:51,239 --> 01:08:56,760
that would be changing laws, and
I think when the majority speaks, that's

980
01:08:56,840 --> 01:09:00,159
when things start to change. You've
got to get those voices heard. So

981
01:09:00,159 --> 01:09:02,840
that's and that's what we're looking for. Bill. We need some legislative help

982
01:09:02,840 --> 01:09:08,000
here. We're not again talking about
a total rewrite of these laws. We're

983
01:09:08,000 --> 01:09:12,239
talking about maintaining these tenants, yes, and making some small adjustments to improve

984
01:09:12,279 --> 01:09:15,359
public safety. And that is this
group's mission, in a very short sentence,

985
01:09:15,560 --> 01:09:20,880
improvements to public safety. So how
do people help? You can start

986
01:09:20,920 --> 01:09:27,359
by signing on to our our initiatives
at our consortium ny dot com. But

987
01:09:27,439 --> 01:09:29,439
also more than that, if you
want to take it a step further.

988
01:09:29,760 --> 01:09:32,479
You know, everybody in Monroe County
and in this area is represented by two

989
01:09:32,520 --> 01:09:35,920
levels of state government, and that's
your New York State Senator and your New

990
01:09:36,000 --> 01:09:41,840
York State assemblyman. Uh And you
can very easily go online and you know,

991
01:09:41,960 --> 01:09:45,960
find out who your state representatives are, and you can call their office

992
01:09:45,000 --> 01:09:48,199
and tell them, hey, I
you know I heard about what they're talking

993
01:09:48,199 --> 01:09:50,920
about on the Bill Moran podcast,
and I looked into it a little bit

994
01:09:50,960 --> 01:09:55,279
and I I think that makes sense, and I'd like you to support that,

995
01:09:55,680 --> 01:09:59,760
you know, in your role as
an assembly person or senator in Albany.

996
01:09:59,800 --> 01:10:02,439
I I would like my voice to
be heard to me. That's the

997
01:10:02,479 --> 01:10:08,359
frustrating part is the political aspect of
it, especially when you've gone out with

998
01:10:08,439 --> 01:10:14,640
Project Exile and I've seen the data
from those questions asked in the communities that

999
01:10:14,720 --> 01:10:19,239
are most affected by this kind of
crime or gun violence. But they want

1000
01:10:19,520 --> 01:10:25,600
something, So why aren't we making
the changes? Who The resistance to this

1001
01:10:26,319 --> 01:10:30,640
is sometimes I feel like things don't
change until someone with some power gets affected,

1002
01:10:30,399 --> 01:10:32,960
you know, which sounds terrible and
I would never want that to happen,

1003
01:10:33,039 --> 01:10:35,239
but you know what I'm saying,
like, until you've lived it,

1004
01:10:35,399 --> 01:10:40,560
sometimes we don't make the change.
We live in a bubble or we think,

1005
01:10:40,640 --> 01:10:43,319
ah, well that's just over there, and that's not really the case,

1006
01:10:43,359 --> 01:10:47,520
and it's one example of a bigger
problem, a systemic problem, and

1007
01:10:47,560 --> 01:10:51,119
that's not And then all of a
sudden something happens and you think, oh,

1008
01:10:51,199 --> 01:10:55,479
you get hit by somebody who stole
the car, and this you find

1009
01:10:55,479 --> 01:10:58,760
out that that kid had been picked
up five other times for the same kind

1010
01:10:58,800 --> 01:11:00,800
of crime. Wasn't that time,
right, you know? And and the

1011
01:11:00,840 --> 01:11:04,039
worst part of it is that kid's
fifteen and really had an opportunity, had

1012
01:11:04,039 --> 01:11:09,279
somebody done sooner to prevent not only
the tragedy you're looking at right now,

1013
01:11:09,319 --> 01:11:13,279
but the direction this kid is heading
in. We're not doing anybody any favors,

1014
01:11:13,640 --> 01:11:15,800
you know. So it's just that, I mean, that's kind of

1015
01:11:15,800 --> 01:11:17,760
the goal. And I think,
you know, to bring it back to

1016
01:11:17,800 --> 01:11:21,840
the consortium, the fact that you
know, you have thirty forty people around

1017
01:11:21,840 --> 01:11:26,479
the table, all with different backgrounds, all with completely different ideas, all

1018
01:11:26,520 --> 01:11:28,840
thinking that we're on the right track
here. Yeah, you know, we

1019
01:11:28,880 --> 01:11:30,680
want that fifteen year old not to
make that bad decision to begin. Oh,

1020
01:11:30,720 --> 01:11:35,119
and you want to see the kid's
meeting successful. But once you get

1021
01:11:35,319 --> 01:11:38,560
once you get in that car and
you run over a baby, you know,

1022
01:11:38,800 --> 01:11:41,840
in a carriage and a corner somewhere
in a suburb close close to the

1023
01:11:41,880 --> 01:11:44,680
city, that there's no coming back
from that. No, there's not,

1024
01:11:44,800 --> 01:11:46,680
you know. And and like like
Mike said, you know, on the

1025
01:11:46,680 --> 01:11:50,000
medical side, it's all about prevention, right prevention, prevention, prevention.

1026
01:11:50,119 --> 01:11:54,560
So this is something that's just the
writings on the wall. You can see

1027
01:11:54,560 --> 01:11:57,319
these bad things are going to happen. It might not happen today, but

1028
01:11:57,359 --> 01:12:00,479
there's just no way that these scenarios
are going to play out well. And

1029
01:12:00,560 --> 01:12:03,199
that's that's what this is all about. Is there a way for people who

1030
01:12:03,199 --> 01:12:09,720
may be listening to actually go to
these meetings become part of the consortium?

1031
01:12:09,920 --> 01:12:14,439
I I don't or so it's a
large group, and so I'm trying short

1032
01:12:14,479 --> 01:12:19,319
answer larger. Short answer, short
answer is yes, and we are always

1033
01:12:20,199 --> 01:12:26,920
looking for more input. We by
no means anybody in this group. Nobody

1034
01:12:26,960 --> 01:12:30,399
thinks they're the smartest person in the
room. And if somebody raises their hand

1035
01:12:30,439 --> 01:12:32,960
and says, hey, what do
you what do you think about this?

1036
01:12:33,560 --> 01:12:36,800
You know we are We're all ears. And that's the best thing about this

1037
01:12:36,880 --> 01:12:42,640
group. We truly believe it's an
all encompassing group and that we are representatives

1038
01:12:42,720 --> 01:12:46,399
of of just the myriad of folks
that live throughout Monroe County and the different

1039
01:12:46,399 --> 01:12:53,439
positions that they hold. So yes, So if somebody does want to come

1040
01:12:53,479 --> 01:12:57,279
to a meeting of the consortium or
say communities, you can get in contact

1041
01:12:57,279 --> 01:13:00,439
with us via that website when you
sign on to that letter, and just

1042
01:13:00,479 --> 01:13:05,960
indicate you know that you are interested
in that. The beautiful thing about this

1043
01:13:05,960 --> 01:13:11,800
this group, we never meet just
to have a meeting either. We don't

1044
01:13:11,800 --> 01:13:15,159
have quarterly meetings or bi weekly or
monthly meetings. We meet when we have

1045
01:13:15,199 --> 01:13:18,479
something to talk about. Lately,
we've got a lot to talk about.

1046
01:13:18,600 --> 01:13:25,399
So we met back in December,
and we've got a meeting in Buffalo in

1047
01:13:25,479 --> 01:13:28,920
January, and we'll be scheduling one
for the Roster group probably in early to

1048
01:13:28,960 --> 01:13:31,920
mid February. So yeah, long
answer to your question, absolutely, yeah,

1049
01:13:32,039 --> 01:13:35,239
that people can joy well. I
think this is great. I'm really

1050
01:13:35,279 --> 01:13:41,479
happy to learn about it, nice
to meet both of you, and I

1051
01:13:41,520 --> 01:13:45,159
think it's something that the community needs
right. It needs to be heard,

1052
01:13:45,239 --> 01:13:50,319
it needs more. It sounds like
this needs more support or more voices behind

1053
01:13:50,359 --> 01:13:53,960
it, because it seems like a
lot of people do agree with it.

1054
01:13:53,960 --> 01:13:57,600
It's just common sense. Yeah,
thank you for that. It's good to

1055
01:13:57,600 --> 01:14:01,640
get a little bit of validation from
folks in all Anes and we very much

1056
01:14:01,680 --> 01:14:05,640
appreciate the opportunity to come talk about
this, and we are speaking for many

1057
01:14:05,680 --> 01:14:09,439
other people in this group. It's
not just the two of us. And

1058
01:14:09,560 --> 01:14:13,279
you know, so you sit down
with anybody from that group, you're going

1059
01:14:13,319 --> 01:14:15,000
to get down to the same facts. We might get to them differently because

1060
01:14:15,000 --> 01:14:18,000
we look at things from a different
perspective, but at the core, we

1061
01:14:18,319 --> 01:14:20,920
all believe the same thing. And
we want our communities to be safe.

1062
01:14:20,960 --> 01:14:25,039
We want our neighboring communities to be
safe. We want this nonsense not to

1063
01:14:25,039 --> 01:14:27,399
happen, right, you know,
And I got to believe that people who

1064
01:14:27,399 --> 01:14:30,199
represent us should want that also,
So can't we get there? What do

1065
01:14:30,239 --> 01:14:32,960
we have to do to get there? Right? And we want to make

1066
01:14:32,960 --> 01:14:35,560
a better community. We want to
make a better overall state. We want

1067
01:14:35,600 --> 01:14:40,439
to want people to be here,
not leave here. And I think that's

1068
01:14:40,800 --> 01:14:45,680
a big thing for doctor Mark gesting
for Sergeant Zimira. I'm Bill Moran.

1069
01:14:46,119 --> 01:15:09,479
We'll see tomorrow, Old Tail.
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1070
01:15:09,520 --> 01:15:12,239
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1071
01:15:12,279 --> 01:15:15,600
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1072
01:15:15,640 --> 01:15:16,760
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1073
01:15:17,000 --> 01:15:21,840
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1074
01:15:23,000 --> 01:15:25,840
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1075
01:15:25,880 --> 01:15:30,479
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1076
01:15:30,520 --> 01:15:34,039
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1077
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1078
01:15:39,359 --> 01:15:44,119
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1079
01:15:44,159 --> 01:15:45,199
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