WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.040 --> 00:00:06.200 The Chili Effect is sponsored by Wallstreet, Window dot Com and listeners like you 2 00:00:06.839 --> 00:00:17.559 Now and Now Media December sixth, twenty twenty three, allegedly according to that 3 00:00:17.600 --> 00:00:21.359 thing we call a calendar, and this is the Ocelli effects. So you 4 00:00:21.480 --> 00:00:24.960 might notice I sound a little stronger, but still a little stuffed up. 5 00:00:25.559 --> 00:00:29.199 We're still recovering over here, but a lot better than I was a couple 6 00:00:29.239 --> 00:00:34.359 of weeks ago. So welcome to it. Welcome to Wednesday or Wodin's Day 7 00:00:34.359 --> 00:00:39.000 in the middle of the week. Now, this is an interesting topic. 8 00:00:39.719 --> 00:00:42.719 The topic, the guests you may be familiar with if you've listened to my 9 00:00:42.719 --> 00:00:47.079 show for a while, for sure, But the topic is different. Why, 10 00:00:48.159 --> 00:00:53.439 you know, different types of media have different effects. Sometimes, you 11 00:00:53.439 --> 00:00:56.880 know, media is just entertainment and it's just junk food for the brain, 12 00:00:56.960 --> 00:01:00.479 and that's all there is to it. Uh. People figure out a while 13 00:01:00.560 --> 00:01:03.519 ago to stop writing scripts. They could just bring on real people, create 14 00:01:03.599 --> 00:01:08.400 circumstances and have reality TV. Sure, that's something that went on and still 15 00:01:08.439 --> 00:01:12.439 goes on. As we're living through yet another incarnation of the Jersey Shore. 16 00:01:12.519 --> 00:01:18.120 I think I'm not living through it, but somebody is because they're making it 17 00:01:19.040 --> 00:01:22.079 anyway, it is what it is. And of course I've talked on this 18 00:01:22.599 --> 00:01:26.400 program about the evolution of the talk show even the other day, discussing what 19 00:01:26.560 --> 00:01:30.599 Phil Donahue and the fact that he had a format that was sort of picked 20 00:01:30.680 --> 00:01:34.359 up by Oprah Winfrey, et cetera, et cetera, and later on evolved 21 00:01:34.359 --> 00:01:40.120 into the Jerry Springer experience. They called those things talk shows. But the 22 00:01:40.120 --> 00:01:44.079 way Springer did it, it was what the Battle of the idiots, and 23 00:01:44.400 --> 00:01:48.519 who knows if all those idiots were actual real people are not they could have 24 00:01:48.560 --> 00:01:51.560 been actors. And later on they took that format and gave it over to 25 00:01:51.599 --> 00:01:55.959 his security guy, the bald guy, Steve Wilcos Right. Anyway, the 26 00:01:56.000 --> 00:02:00.760 evolution of various types of media, it's effect on society and society effect on 27 00:02:00.879 --> 00:02:06.239 it is actually what we might end up discussing tonight. Why there was a 28 00:02:06.239 --> 00:02:09.360 phenomena, you know, at some point, and it was some years ago 29 00:02:09.479 --> 00:02:16.280 really at its height of popularity. Unsolved mysteries now that fits a lot into 30 00:02:16.319 --> 00:02:21.800 true crime, and true crime is a genre that continues, especially in the 31 00:02:21.840 --> 00:02:25.039 podcast world. It is one of the most popular types of podcast. It's 32 00:02:25.039 --> 00:02:29.520 one of the most popular types of TV. Show, it's almost always a 33 00:02:29.560 --> 00:02:32.919 winner. Check any network or streaming service. They got plenty of true crime, 34 00:02:34.080 --> 00:02:38.479 and Unsolved mysteries kind of fell into that category, but it was different. 35 00:02:40.360 --> 00:02:46.199 Along with things like America's Most Wanted, the audience was meant to get 36 00:02:46.240 --> 00:02:52.840 involved anyway. I find this interesting, just like I find the evolution of 37 00:02:53.199 --> 00:02:57.479 Like I said, even even reality TV kind of interesting, starting with real 38 00:02:57.520 --> 00:03:00.280 people. If you think about it, back in the seventies there with John 39 00:03:00.360 --> 00:03:06.120 Barber's creation and what a monster he created, going on to basketball wives and 40 00:03:06.159 --> 00:03:12.000 every other maniac thing that happened the real world, et cetera. Unsolved Mysteries, 41 00:03:12.000 --> 00:03:15.400 though, is a weird thing because I don't think anything really evolved from 42 00:03:15.479 --> 00:03:23.439 it, although it was baked into that true crime sorta genre, and yet 43 00:03:23.080 --> 00:03:28.360 it was its own thing too. I'm not going to discuss this on my 44 00:03:28.400 --> 00:03:30.759 own. I've got veteran journalist Albert Lanier with me who wrote a piece about 45 00:03:30.800 --> 00:03:34.759 this. Now. He wrote this a little ways back, but due to 46 00:03:34.800 --> 00:03:37.199 the fact that I had to go to Dallas and then I spent three weeks 47 00:03:37.199 --> 00:03:42.319 sick, we got a couple of months here that I probably should have gotten 48 00:03:42.360 --> 00:03:45.560 him on a couple of months ago, and I meant to, and then 49 00:03:45.639 --> 00:03:50.400 crazy stuff kept happening, so and the road trip to Dallas and all that. 50 00:03:50.520 --> 00:03:53.280 So you guys know, I've been busy. It's been crazy, the 51 00:03:53.319 --> 00:03:57.639 network's been weird. So I finally got back around to bring on Albert Lanier 52 00:03:57.719 --> 00:04:01.280 again at the tail end, and because he's probably discussed this in other places 53 00:04:01.280 --> 00:04:06.520 with a couple other people, but but guarantee you won't hear this conversation anywhere 54 00:04:06.560 --> 00:04:11.159 else. He wrote a piece about unsolved mysteries, and we're going to talk 55 00:04:11.159 --> 00:04:14.840 about that along with god knows what else because I never script this either. 56 00:04:15.360 --> 00:04:19.240 Uh, mister Lanier, how are you doing tonight? I'm fine, turning 57 00:04:19.279 --> 00:04:26.079 out. I love the taxonomy and the digression of your evolution of talk shows, 58 00:04:26.439 --> 00:04:33.240 the way that Phil Donahue begat, Oprah Biquett begat Jerry Springer. I 59 00:04:33.279 --> 00:04:39.000 actually liked that because I thought that was great. So I just wanted to 60 00:04:39.000 --> 00:04:42.560 come out and say, love the opening. Love the opening. You know, 61 00:04:42.639 --> 00:04:45.959 it's nothing to do with unsolved mysteries. I like it even better because 62 00:04:45.959 --> 00:04:48.199 it has nothing to do with unsolved mysteries. But I love that opening because 63 00:04:48.199 --> 00:04:51.199 I used to watch the Phil Donahue Show. Right, that's a whole other 64 00:04:51.240 --> 00:04:57.680 show to talk about. But this is a first for me, as people 65 00:04:57.680 --> 00:05:01.240 who have heard me on The o'chill Effect and another shows probably are aware. 66 00:05:03.040 --> 00:05:08.319 I'm in kind of brand new territory now. I was a journalist, and 67 00:05:08.399 --> 00:05:12.759 I was a writer for twenty two years, freelance writer for twenty two years. 68 00:05:13.000 --> 00:05:18.920 And I among the things that I did as a journalist and a freelancer 69 00:05:19.360 --> 00:05:24.199 was I was a film reviewer for about eight years or so, or online 70 00:05:24.199 --> 00:05:29.240 film reviewer. I used to cover film festivals. I wasn't a TV critic, 71 00:05:29.560 --> 00:05:32.759 so let me just state that from the outset. If there are fans 72 00:05:32.800 --> 00:05:38.120 of Unsolved Mysteries or other TV shows, I'm not a TV critic. I 73 00:05:38.160 --> 00:05:42.639 don't know much about TV critics, film film film critics. I know I've 74 00:05:42.680 --> 00:05:46.240 met them, I've interviewed them. I've talked to other film reviewers, so 75 00:05:46.319 --> 00:05:50.199 I know that I know that aspect very well. I don't know anything about 76 00:05:50.240 --> 00:05:56.240 TV critics. I know a couple what's just name Tom Shields. I think 77 00:05:56.319 --> 00:05:59.399 of Washing Post. It was John J. O'Connor. I think the New 78 00:05:59.480 --> 00:06:02.360 York Times. But I don't know anything about TV criticism. And this is 79 00:06:02.399 --> 00:06:06.199 a first for me because I've never really talked about a TV show, and 80 00:06:06.240 --> 00:06:10.560 so people are probably wondering, well, if you're a journalist and you're a 81 00:06:10.560 --> 00:06:14.879 freelance writer, and you were a freelance writer, and you were a journalist 82 00:06:14.920 --> 00:06:16.879 and you're a writer, why are you talking about TV now? Well, 83 00:06:17.040 --> 00:06:24.040 I'll tell you. I found out, Oh, I guess late September, 84 00:06:24.120 --> 00:06:30.079 early October about the anniversary of Unsolved Mysteries, Okay, And that got me 85 00:06:30.120 --> 00:06:34.800 to thinking. I've been on a number of podcasts since twenty nineteen where I 86 00:06:35.040 --> 00:06:41.959 have analyzed true crime content. You talk about the explosion and true crime and 87 00:06:42.000 --> 00:06:46.120 that it's very successful. That's what I had heard because I was I actually 88 00:06:46.199 --> 00:06:51.160 got started talking about true crime by actually supposedly I was going to go on 89 00:06:51.199 --> 00:06:55.040 another show and talk, you know, go back to another show and talk 90 00:06:55.079 --> 00:06:57.720 about a subject, and the host wasn't that interest in the subject. I 91 00:06:57.759 --> 00:07:00.560 asked, So, what are you interested in? Her crime? Hot Hollywood? 92 00:07:00.600 --> 00:07:04.800 I went, okay, Well, the only thing I know I didn't 93 00:07:04.839 --> 00:07:09.600 follow true crime. Now. I listened to a couple of podcasts here and 94 00:07:09.639 --> 00:07:15.680 there, but I didn't know so the death of Bob Crane and the death 95 00:07:15.720 --> 00:07:18.600 of Natalie Wood were the only ones that're kind of familiar with, And so 96 00:07:18.759 --> 00:07:21.800 that's how I started in terms of true crime. Now why do I say 97 00:07:21.839 --> 00:07:27.959 all that, Because when I was on these shows and I still do it, 98 00:07:28.000 --> 00:07:31.279 from hind to Todd analyzing true crime cases, host would ask me, 99 00:07:31.680 --> 00:07:35.240 how did you find out about this particular case or that particular case, how 100 00:07:35.279 --> 00:07:39.639 to come to your attention? And the answer is, I saw it an 101 00:07:39.759 --> 00:07:44.759 Unsolved Mysteries. I saw this segment on the original Unsolved Mysteries. I saw 102 00:07:44.839 --> 00:07:47.879 that segment, and so I decided if I can say that I saw this 103 00:07:48.079 --> 00:07:53.040 on Nsolved Mysteries or I got this case from Unsolved Mysteries when I talk about 104 00:07:53.120 --> 00:07:57.279 Unsolved Mysteries, never wanted to, but I thought seems fair to me. 105 00:07:57.519 --> 00:08:01.519 So that's initially how this all I started that I'm talking about. Okay, 106 00:08:01.600 --> 00:08:05.839 well, and I have a question right here because Unsolved Mysteries in a way, 107 00:08:07.480 --> 00:08:11.160 as I said during the introduction, fits in the true crime genre, 108 00:08:11.759 --> 00:08:20.199 but also doesn't because not everything on Unsolved Mysteries was true crime. Some things 109 00:08:20.199 --> 00:08:26.439 were just weird circumstances or long lost relatives. Even they had all sorts of 110 00:08:26.480 --> 00:08:30.000 things like this. You know, here's somebody was born, their father had 111 00:08:30.040 --> 00:08:33.080 to leave the country. I remember specifically a couple of them were, you 112 00:08:33.080 --> 00:08:39.519 know, like somebody who was a military person and they maybe had a child 113 00:08:39.759 --> 00:08:43.399 and they weren't aware of how to find that child. And a couple of 114 00:08:43.399 --> 00:08:48.679 those were on there. So it wasn't always crime. It might have indeed 115 00:08:48.759 --> 00:08:54.240 been something that was a mystery to someone in their life. They were adopted. 116 00:08:54.960 --> 00:08:58.360 Uh, they had lost track of an item even a couple of times. 117 00:08:58.360 --> 00:09:01.320 It was a special item, right, something that was important to a 118 00:09:03.039 --> 00:09:07.799 family legacy in one way or another. It was weird. And also there 119 00:09:07.799 --> 00:09:13.840 were disappearances and there were crimes. Now, I even confided in you that 120 00:09:13.919 --> 00:09:16.279 I had recently gotten a hold of an artifact from Unsolved Mysteries, which was 121 00:09:16.320 --> 00:09:22.200 weird. It was a random occurrence. I got a hold of their copy 122 00:09:22.240 --> 00:09:26.240 of the Zuppruter film again because I'm a JFK guy, you know, And 123 00:09:26.320 --> 00:09:31.360 they did some enhancements and stuff like that, because they had done some stuff 124 00:09:31.399 --> 00:09:35.600 on the Kennedy assassination on Unsolved Mysteries. Now, I don't even remember the 125 00:09:35.639 --> 00:09:39.679 episode, honestly, I don't either. Yeah, it's funny because I know 126 00:09:39.759 --> 00:09:43.919 they did a segment on Martin Luther King right, and they did at least 127 00:09:43.919 --> 00:09:48.519 a couple of segments on Robert Kennedy. Yes, I think one it was 128 00:09:48.559 --> 00:09:54.639 about a photographer with taking photos there. The other was about the assassination in 129 00:09:54.720 --> 00:09:58.720 general. I don't recall them doing anything on JFK. Now, again, 130 00:10:00.039 --> 00:10:05.080 let me have another disclaimer here and say I do not know. Although I 131 00:10:05.120 --> 00:10:11.440 did research into Unsolved Mysteries for not only the piece I ended up writing about, 132 00:10:11.639 --> 00:10:16.360 but also come on shows like this and talk about it, I do 133 00:10:16.480 --> 00:10:20.519 not know every segment, every case, and every episode of Unsolved Mysteries. 134 00:10:20.000 --> 00:10:28.240 So please, if you react to me on Facebook or on X or elsewhere, 135 00:10:28.679 --> 00:10:33.519 please I don't know every segment. I don't know everyone. I only 136 00:10:33.559 --> 00:10:39.879 got to watch like a few episodes in preparation even for this, even for 137 00:10:39.919 --> 00:10:43.039 this interview today. Last night I was watching their documentary. They had a 138 00:10:43.080 --> 00:10:54.840 new documentary commemorating the thirty fifth anniversary called Unsolved Mysteries Behind the Legacy, which 139 00:10:54.879 --> 00:11:01.840 I think is available on YouTube now, And so I saw that. I 140 00:11:01.879 --> 00:11:05.039 saw the first episode of Unsolved last night. Again, I had seen it 141 00:11:05.080 --> 00:11:09.159 previously as part of my research, right, So I thought again, and 142 00:11:09.200 --> 00:11:13.320 I saw a couple other first season episodes, so I do not know every 143 00:11:13.360 --> 00:11:16.240 episode just so that I let it. I don't know every case. I 144 00:11:16.240 --> 00:11:18.559 don't know what wet no fair enough. And look, if you go to 145 00:11:18.679 --> 00:11:22.240 an unsolved dot com no kidding, they have that web address. If you 146 00:11:22.279 --> 00:11:26.840 go there, you can still see uh stuff about the program, the legacy 147 00:11:26.919 --> 00:11:31.039 of it, uh mysteries that are as yet still unsolved. And I had 148 00:11:31.120 --> 00:11:33.919 Jamie Scott Enured on this show, by the way, just as a follow 149 00:11:35.000 --> 00:11:39.960 up on the RFK thing, that photographer. I had that photographer on the 150 00:11:39.000 --> 00:11:43.759 show. I think I used it still from Unsolved Mysteries to promote it because 151 00:11:43.279 --> 00:11:46.960 it was one of the best pictures that they had of him out there at 152 00:11:46.960 --> 00:11:50.360 the time. And I used it because I was like, hey, look, 153 00:11:50.360 --> 00:11:54.080 I want to talk about his photographs because that is an interesting I don't 154 00:11:54.080 --> 00:11:58.960 know if you're familiar with the details there, but again they are little yeah. 155 00:11:58.039 --> 00:12:01.240 Well, they were reaching out to the public and saying, look, 156 00:12:01.279 --> 00:12:03.480 if you know something, and in a lot of cases they found that there 157 00:12:03.519 --> 00:12:11.159 were people that had tips that had information that could present something to the people 158 00:12:11.159 --> 00:12:16.720 at Unsolved Mysteries one way or another that would be indeed helpful in some cases. 159 00:12:16.759 --> 00:12:20.039 Like I said, there were victims of things, there were people that 160 00:12:20.120 --> 00:12:22.759 disappeared, you know, all kinds of stuff. And if you look on 161 00:12:22.799 --> 00:12:26.360 there now they have, you know, episodes they show you are on various 162 00:12:26.360 --> 00:12:31.360 streaming platforms. Other are episodes on Netflix and Hulu and all of that. 163 00:12:31.519 --> 00:12:35.039 So, you know, and this is a weird thing because again it's not 164 00:12:35.240 --> 00:12:39.799 really true crime, but there are true crime elements to it. And again 165 00:12:41.200 --> 00:12:45.120 Peacock, Pluto, you know, all these different things. YouTube even has 166 00:12:45.679 --> 00:12:50.639 episodes of this. It's like, which is the company? I believe that 167 00:12:50.759 --> 00:12:54.679 if they don't own the rights and there the distributor, that that's still that 168 00:12:54.879 --> 00:13:03.080 the distributes on Solved Mysteries right for broadcast, stir or other kinds of platforms. 169 00:13:03.440 --> 00:13:07.159 So and I've watched Unsolved Mysteries on YouTube for the past couple of years, 170 00:13:07.440 --> 00:13:15.720 so I have been watching episodes. To be fair, I know people 171 00:13:15.720 --> 00:13:20.399 are going to ask me, did you watch the original Unsolved Mysteries? Yes, 172 00:13:20.440 --> 00:13:24.960 I did. I watched it when I was in college, get home 173 00:13:26.000 --> 00:13:28.879 from a late class, get off the bus into my apartment, and it 174 00:13:28.000 --> 00:13:31.879 was I was just in time. To watch it. So I did see 175 00:13:31.919 --> 00:13:37.399 it years ago. I saw the original, so getting to and it was 176 00:13:37.399 --> 00:13:41.840 on multiple networks, just really quickly for just for context here, it was 177 00:13:41.879 --> 00:13:46.840 on various networks. Started out on NBC in nineteen eighty seven and then continued 178 00:13:46.879 --> 00:13:52.879 on to well, let's see, continued on to CBS for the Tennessee, 179 00:13:54.240 --> 00:13:56.600 you know, all these different things. It was across all different networks and 180 00:13:56.639 --> 00:14:03.320 then eventually went to Lifetime in two thousand, which is you know, so 181 00:14:03.559 --> 00:14:05.639 this is something that continued on and I'm trying to figure that one out. 182 00:14:07.279 --> 00:14:11.840 How how did Lifetime get that show? I don't know. I didn't look 183 00:14:11.879 --> 00:14:15.480 at this. I wasn't able to find the specific details. I know Lifetime 184 00:14:15.600 --> 00:14:20.120 was airing reruns of the show, I think when it was still in first 185 00:14:20.200 --> 00:14:24.279 run. Yes, so that might have been one aspect today, right and 186 00:14:24.480 --> 00:14:30.080 the Yeah, they went up commissioning new episodes though, which was interesting because 187 00:14:30.399 --> 00:14:33.600 it was sort of thought to be, uh, you know, no longer 188 00:14:33.720 --> 00:14:37.480 viable commercially and you know, just sort of like the odd thing with Star 189 00:14:37.559 --> 00:14:41.159 Trek. It was so cheap that it went across all the independent uh you 190 00:14:41.159 --> 00:14:46.679 know, TV channels for a while, and because of its wide distribution actually 191 00:14:46.720 --> 00:14:50.840 gained greater popularity than if they had held out for more money trying to distribute 192 00:14:50.879 --> 00:14:56.519 the thing, which is really a fascinating model, right right, Well and 193 00:14:56.679 --> 00:15:01.759 back then. You know, it's funny you mentioned that because cause well I'm 194 00:15:01.759 --> 00:15:05.080 a lifelong Star Trek fan, and Star Trek is one of those shows that 195 00:15:05.159 --> 00:15:11.639 chose the power of syndication. Yes, like syndicating shows, So that's an 196 00:15:11.679 --> 00:15:16.279 indication of that. And they reinvented syndications. Star Trek just as a side 197 00:15:16.320 --> 00:15:20.120 note, reinvented syndication when they went to the next generation. I'm I'm quite 198 00:15:20.159 --> 00:15:24.240 aware of media. Yeah, first run, they they tear them out first 199 00:15:24.320 --> 00:15:28.200 run, and they were spending big money as a first run syndicated show. 200 00:15:28.519 --> 00:15:33.000 They were spending big money on Star Trek Generation. It's not that the cast 201 00:15:33.799 --> 00:15:37.639 got it at first. I mean, what I heard of the conditions, 202 00:15:37.639 --> 00:15:41.639 I should be talking about Star Trek. But uh, it's interesting, that's 203 00:15:41.679 --> 00:15:45.600 a whole other episode. I'm gon go and talk about Star Trek the next 204 00:15:45.600 --> 00:15:48.000 Generation. Well, absolutely, Star Trek, but I got to talk about 205 00:15:48.080 --> 00:15:54.919 unsolved Let's let's get back into unsolved mysteries. But it's worth bringing up that 206 00:15:54.679 --> 00:15:58.399 that this is something to you know, there's the business of it, and 207 00:15:58.440 --> 00:16:03.559 then there was the phenomena of it. And next generation skipped this whole process 208 00:16:03.559 --> 00:16:07.360 of going to a network in the first place. Uh, they did it 209 00:16:07.399 --> 00:16:10.679 to uh and and then later on they would use star Trek to literally launch 210 00:16:10.679 --> 00:16:14.360 a network, which is really fast. Right, Like, Star Trek is 211 00:16:14.399 --> 00:16:18.120 an interesting thing in media history anyway, whether you're like star Trek or not. 212 00:16:18.399 --> 00:16:22.559 But anyway, but I get talked about the Star Trek all day. 213 00:16:22.440 --> 00:16:29.200 Maybe I'm getting next time you're mentioning, Yeah, you were mentioning, I 214 00:16:29.320 --> 00:16:37.600 want to do derails because I love Star Treks. Unsold Mysteries had an interesting 215 00:16:37.720 --> 00:16:44.000 history, So let me just deal with the history of this first Unsold Mysteries. 216 00:16:44.279 --> 00:16:49.519 Unlike was unlike the vast majority of primetime network TV shows when it aired 217 00:16:49.519 --> 00:16:55.039 in the late eighties. The first thing was that it technically was an one 218 00:16:55.200 --> 00:17:00.799 hour or what they call an hour long show. Like the two acic aspects 219 00:17:00.840 --> 00:17:04.200 of TV are the half hour sitcom and the hour on drama. Right, 220 00:17:04.319 --> 00:17:08.759 So technically Unsolved was an hour long show, but it was not an hour 221 00:17:08.839 --> 00:17:17.240 long strictly fictional or scripted dramatic show. Well, what do you think show? 222 00:17:17.480 --> 00:17:19.200 Yeah, what do you think about my assertion that it was like one 223 00:17:19.240 --> 00:17:23.680 of those shows in that time period that was meant to have public involvement, 224 00:17:23.839 --> 00:17:30.599 Like it was interactive in a way like America's Most Wanted and a few other 225 00:17:30.640 --> 00:17:36.279 shows where they literally would evoke public response, call us, let us know, 226 00:17:36.480 --> 00:17:41.480 participate in this show, literally help us figure things out. Either it 227 00:17:41.559 --> 00:17:45.960 was to catch criminal or to catch somebody, or to find something that was 228 00:17:45.680 --> 00:17:49.480 kind of a sub genre also right at that time. So go ahead, 229 00:17:49.480 --> 00:17:53.839 well, well what happened is this? Your point is an interesting one because 230 00:17:55.839 --> 00:17:59.279 that was what I called the part of the two selling points of the show. 231 00:17:59.400 --> 00:18:03.440 As I called one was viewer interaction. At first there was a peel 232 00:18:03.519 --> 00:18:08.160 box for Unsolved Mysteries. When it became a series, and then it became 233 00:18:08.200 --> 00:18:12.880 the one eight hundred number, so viewer interaction. If you know something, 234 00:18:15.119 --> 00:18:21.880 call us here. Then the other selling point was what I call the basis 235 00:18:21.920 --> 00:18:25.759 of the show, what the show essentially was, which was what I call 236 00:18:25.839 --> 00:18:33.160 a multi varied, multi faceted show, unlike even shows prior that are what 237 00:18:33.200 --> 00:18:42.200 I call true life shows, meaning dealing with true factual subject matter. I'll 238 00:18:42.200 --> 00:18:45.759 give you an example of a show because I compare it a little in my 239 00:18:47.240 --> 00:18:51.519 peak in my piece in my article, there was a show for a number 240 00:18:51.519 --> 00:18:55.599 of years hosted strangely enough by an actor from Star Trek, Leonard Newboys, 241 00:18:55.640 --> 00:19:00.599 called In Search Of. In Search Of was not an hour long, It 242 00:19:00.720 --> 00:19:07.759 was a half hour show, but it was a show that it was a 243 00:19:07.839 --> 00:19:17.640 show that dealt with subject historical subject matter primarily, but also paranormal and various 244 00:19:17.640 --> 00:19:22.559 other types of subject matter. But it was the episodes were done on a 245 00:19:22.599 --> 00:19:26.960 subject by subject basis, meaning if they looked at something like Jack the Ripper 246 00:19:27.400 --> 00:19:33.720 or the Mary Celeste, they looked at it, or Stonehenge or something, 247 00:19:34.240 --> 00:19:38.240 they looked at it entirely for the half hour. Through the half hour. 248 00:19:38.359 --> 00:19:41.960 Stoneheands was one of my favorite ones actually, where they just how did this 249 00:19:42.079 --> 00:19:45.920 happen? They would ask the question and they would put some you know, 250 00:19:47.079 --> 00:19:51.960 interesting accounts this that serre's some evidence, and there was a half hour good. 251 00:19:52.559 --> 00:19:56.400 So In search Of to me was the kind of I would call it 252 00:19:56.559 --> 00:20:02.759 standard true life show. I saw. Mysteries was different in that it was 253 00:20:03.160 --> 00:20:06.640 from In Search Of obviously in that it one was an hour long show, 254 00:20:07.000 --> 00:20:11.279 right, but it was also a show. And I make this point that 255 00:20:11.480 --> 00:20:17.480 basically took I think I made this point in my in my article that it 256 00:20:17.559 --> 00:20:22.119 takes the basis of news, which I would say are the block or segment 257 00:20:22.279 --> 00:20:27.359 type structure, skeletal structure a block, D block, c bloc D block, 258 00:20:29.000 --> 00:20:34.160 and it uses that as the skeletal structure and as the mainframe for the 259 00:20:34.200 --> 00:20:41.440 show and other And also what it did was it didn't have a singular subject 260 00:20:41.480 --> 00:20:47.480 matter. It had multiple subject matters because of the skeletal structure the block, 261 00:20:47.599 --> 00:20:53.079 what I call the block structure, it allowed for different types of cases, 262 00:20:53.640 --> 00:21:00.319 different types of segments, different stories to be told in one So you could 263 00:21:00.359 --> 00:21:07.119 have, from what I understand, they had at least this was I think 264 00:21:07.200 --> 00:21:17.519 cited in the documentary Behind a Legacy, twenty categories of subjects for on sell 265 00:21:17.599 --> 00:21:22.839 mystery. So you had stuff like you would have normally have the crime stories 266 00:21:22.960 --> 00:21:26.880 right where there was some criminal that was on the loose. You also had 267 00:21:26.960 --> 00:21:30.960 what they call lost love, where somebody was seeking a family member or a 268 00:21:32.000 --> 00:21:37.279 friend or someone that made a difference in their life. Then you had what 269 00:21:37.319 --> 00:21:42.200 you would call the You had others like final Appeal, which is actually one 270 00:21:42.240 --> 00:21:48.240 of my favorites where someone who was convicted of a crime was allowed to make 271 00:21:48.319 --> 00:21:52.559 their case as to why they didn't commit the crime. So there were different 272 00:21:52.680 --> 00:22:02.759 kinds of stories, issues, elements, cases with it. So that structure 273 00:22:02.880 --> 00:22:08.319 ABCD E block what have you normally consisted of about anywhere between four and five 274 00:22:08.359 --> 00:22:14.079 segments, and this often included what they would call an update. And the 275 00:22:14.240 --> 00:22:17.440 update was of course an update on a previous case. So if a criminal 276 00:22:17.519 --> 00:22:22.000 was on the loose and they had been caught, then they would have this 277 00:22:22.160 --> 00:22:27.200 update. And for what I had found in my research, they had to 278 00:22:27.240 --> 00:22:33.160 try to keep pretty fluid in terms of the structural organization of each episode, 279 00:22:33.400 --> 00:22:37.680 because if something came up, they found a futuritive where they found a missing 280 00:22:37.720 --> 00:22:42.480 person, they would then send a unit to go out and capture that. 281 00:22:42.480 --> 00:22:47.400 They had I think a separate unit, a separate crew which did updates only 282 00:22:47.799 --> 00:22:52.079 on Unsolved mysteries. So they went and did that and they would get that 283 00:22:52.200 --> 00:22:57.240 b ro edit it and get it out there. So it was very different 284 00:22:57.720 --> 00:23:03.319 from other what I call it true life shows. Even to this day, 285 00:23:03.319 --> 00:23:10.200 there really aren't shows like Unsolved Mysteries. They don't really exist with that kind 286 00:23:10.240 --> 00:23:18.079 of multi varied and multiple type of segments and issues. At best. With 287 00:23:18.240 --> 00:23:22.920 some of these true crime oriented shows, you might have a segment of your 288 00:23:22.920 --> 00:23:27.920 two segments in one episode, but it's not normally the case. It really 289 00:23:29.079 --> 00:23:34.119 was a very different show for a number of reasons. As my piece called 290 00:23:34.400 --> 00:23:37.440 you may be able to help solve a mystery? Makes clear? Did I 291 00:23:37.480 --> 00:23:41.680 get into why the show worked? Why that's the I think of the piece. 292 00:23:41.839 --> 00:23:45.640 Yeah, I think where you quote Robert Stack, which, by the 293 00:23:45.680 --> 00:23:48.960 way, on mister linear sub Stack, which I'm going to link to and 294 00:23:49.000 --> 00:23:55.319 actually publish with your permission. I'm going to republish your article on my site 295 00:23:56.279 --> 00:23:59.440 as certain and add a few things to it, just to just to give 296 00:23:59.519 --> 00:24:04.200 some reference. Says, but you know, you quote Robert Stack in one 297 00:24:04.200 --> 00:24:07.319 of your paragraphs here, which I have just pulled up in front of me, 298 00:24:08.079 --> 00:24:12.119 where you quote them from an LA Times interview where he says, quote, 299 00:24:12.119 --> 00:24:17.359 we're balancing two needs here. We're trying to produce theater and we're looking 300 00:24:17.400 --> 00:24:21.079 to do a public service. And the thing is, you didn't feel as 301 00:24:21.119 --> 00:24:26.920 though you were watching something that was sensationalistic for the sheer's sake of the You 302 00:24:26.960 --> 00:24:30.799 know, if it bleeds, it leads, let's excite the audience. Only 303 00:24:30.640 --> 00:24:36.440 that wasn't what the purpose was. It did seem as though they were literally 304 00:24:36.480 --> 00:24:40.599 trying to do a service for the people that you know, we're involved here. 305 00:24:40.640 --> 00:24:42.359 Like you said, the Lost Love thing. It could have been a 306 00:24:42.359 --> 00:24:45.799 missing family member, it could have been someone that they lost track of many 307 00:24:45.880 --> 00:24:52.680 years ago for whatever reason, terrible circumstances something. And then you would get 308 00:24:52.799 --> 00:24:56.160 the like you said, the updates, which, by the way, they 309 00:24:56.240 --> 00:25:00.279 changed those out. Sometimes there would be new updates, especially when they started 310 00:25:00.279 --> 00:25:06.160 to do the Lifetime thing. Lifetime had you know, updates, because they 311 00:25:06.359 --> 00:25:10.839 would rerun a show from the eighties and the mystery might not have been solved, 312 00:25:10.839 --> 00:25:15.240 but twenty years later, somebody comes around and you know, finally gives 313 00:25:15.279 --> 00:25:18.480 them a piece of information, and they might publicize that or bring that person 314 00:25:18.519 --> 00:25:21.519 on and say, oh, they were looking for the witness, Well, 315 00:25:21.519 --> 00:25:25.920 here's that witness. They were looking for this piece of evidence, they were 316 00:25:25.960 --> 00:25:30.000 looking for this person. Here's the person found. And they would show you 317 00:25:30.000 --> 00:25:32.759 in a quick flash, Hey, you know, here's the reunion of these 318 00:25:32.799 --> 00:25:37.480 two people, the lost love and it was just it was really interesting. 319 00:25:37.559 --> 00:25:41.759 I don't know, it was interesting theater, and you also got the feeling 320 00:25:41.799 --> 00:25:47.480 that legitimately they were trying to help people that were in search of answers for 321 00:25:47.599 --> 00:25:51.799 things and unsolved mystery truly, you know. So I find that interesting, 322 00:25:51.839 --> 00:25:56.960 and I find that you use the quote from the host Robert Stack in the 323 00:25:56.079 --> 00:26:00.759 article, which sums it up pretty well. What do you say? Yeah, 324 00:26:00.920 --> 00:26:03.279 I thought it was a good quote. When I was doing my research, 325 00:26:03.319 --> 00:26:06.440 I said, oh, I got to use this quote. So that 326 00:26:06.640 --> 00:26:10.400 was a part of it. The interesting thing to me about Unsolved because I 327 00:26:10.440 --> 00:26:14.960 never thought about unsolved mysteries until I started doing the research. And the odd 328 00:26:14.960 --> 00:26:18.680 thing about the article is I never intended to write an article about Unsolved. 329 00:26:19.200 --> 00:26:23.000 I actually because I decided I was going to talk about it the next time 330 00:26:23.039 --> 00:26:27.640 I get interviewed on shows. I was actually doing research just to be on 331 00:26:27.720 --> 00:26:33.480 shows like this, and just for shows like this, because, to be 332 00:26:33.480 --> 00:26:37.640 honest, I really didn't know anything about unsolved mysteries as the TV show as 333 00:26:37.640 --> 00:26:41.559 an entity. We talked about Star Trek earlier. I know a lot about 334 00:26:41.559 --> 00:26:45.599 Star Trek because I'm a Star Trek fan, but I knew absolutely nothing about 335 00:26:45.839 --> 00:26:52.319 unsolved mysteries. And so I started doing the research, and I initially was 336 00:26:53.240 --> 00:26:59.440 when I was doing my recarch, reading articles and doing listening to interviews and 337 00:26:59.839 --> 00:27:07.359 the standard kind of structure of research. What I realized was when I was 338 00:27:07.359 --> 00:27:11.559 looking at my notepad, my reporter's notepad, which I still have, I 339 00:27:11.599 --> 00:27:15.039 looked at it and I went, you know, I could turn this into 340 00:27:15.079 --> 00:27:18.839 an article, which is kind of unusual. So I didn't really do research 341 00:27:18.880 --> 00:27:23.240 for my article. I had done research for appearances on talk shows, and 342 00:27:23.359 --> 00:27:30.279 the research I did basically helped become the article. So it was unlike anything 343 00:27:30.279 --> 00:27:33.279 I've ever done before. I've never done that before. In twenty two years 344 00:27:33.279 --> 00:27:37.000 of being a journalist or a freelance writer, I had never done research in 345 00:27:37.119 --> 00:27:41.440 general, and then just decided to write an article about it just never happened. 346 00:27:41.480 --> 00:27:45.960 So it was very interesting. And the initial article really was going to 347 00:27:45.000 --> 00:27:49.839 be about the history of the show and the behind the scenes, which I 348 00:27:49.920 --> 00:27:56.200 got really wrapped up in, got really fascinated with. And then my mind 349 00:27:56.359 --> 00:28:00.240 changed when I read two articles, one for the New York Times from the 350 00:28:00.400 --> 00:28:04.880 LA Times that kind of it was about the rebooted show and those who don't 351 00:28:04.920 --> 00:28:11.079 know there's a reboot of Unsolved Mysteries on Netflix. I think they've had like 352 00:28:11.240 --> 00:28:15.880 three volumes, as they call her three seasons, so I just want to 353 00:28:15.920 --> 00:28:22.480 let people know about that. And the characterizations of the show from the writers, 354 00:28:22.480 --> 00:28:26.640 from the reporters, Chess was total bs. I looked at that and 355 00:28:26.640 --> 00:28:30.519 I went, that doesn't seem like unsolved mysteries to me. And again, 356 00:28:30.559 --> 00:28:33.400 I'm not an unsolved Mysteries I wasn't an unsold mysteries fan. I was an 357 00:28:33.480 --> 00:28:37.480 unsold mystery viewer that wasn't a fan. So I didn't have a proprietary view 358 00:28:37.519 --> 00:28:44.000 of it, but I just so I guess objectively, I went, that 359 00:28:44.200 --> 00:28:48.359 doesn't jibe with me. And so then I thought, socratically, Okay, 360 00:28:48.440 --> 00:28:52.440 if this isn't what the show is about, what is it about? How 361 00:28:52.440 --> 00:28:56.119 does it work? And that's where the idea for this article came from, 362 00:28:56.480 --> 00:29:00.799 is like, you know why it works. That's a correct journalistic instinct, 363 00:29:00.920 --> 00:29:04.480 right when you read a story and you say to yourself, look, intuitively, 364 00:29:04.519 --> 00:29:07.720 I know something is very wrong here with the way this is being described. 365 00:29:08.240 --> 00:29:11.799 What do you do? As an ethical journalist? You say, well, 366 00:29:12.359 --> 00:29:17.559 what can I learn about this? And perhaps I could represent the missing 367 00:29:17.640 --> 00:29:22.519 pieces here, the mischaracterization. I could correct it. I think journalists really 368 00:29:22.559 --> 00:29:29.079 should be doing that more often. Unfortunately, it's like a copy and piece 369 00:29:29.079 --> 00:29:32.319 of the world anymore. But yeah, so I've gone through that. I 370 00:29:32.319 --> 00:29:34.799 don't know how many times. I hate to see this, but I don't 371 00:29:34.839 --> 00:29:41.920 know how many times I've looked at another news seaper article, or a magazine, 372 00:29:41.200 --> 00:29:45.279 not much magazine but new Zybarco, or some TV show, a TV 373 00:29:45.519 --> 00:29:49.319 news segment and gone, no, I don't think so, No, that's 374 00:29:49.359 --> 00:29:55.480 not right, No that's incorrect. So that's not unusual with me, sad 375 00:29:55.519 --> 00:30:00.319 to say. I don't know if that's a good commentary or not. But 376 00:30:00.680 --> 00:30:03.359 anyway, I wrote the piece and the piece is available on my substack. 377 00:30:03.680 --> 00:30:08.759 Of course, it's the first for me because I don't think I've ever written 378 00:30:08.759 --> 00:30:12.799 about a TV show before. I've never done a piece like this, so 379 00:30:12.839 --> 00:30:17.720 I've never done again. I used to review movies. I was a Mooie 380 00:30:17.799 --> 00:30:22.519 reviewer online movie reviewer from about two thousand and two to twenty ten. I 381 00:30:22.599 --> 00:30:26.359 used to cover film festivals, among other things. So movies I know about 382 00:30:26.680 --> 00:30:33.079 television I know a good deal about but I never had any interest in reviewing 383 00:30:33.160 --> 00:30:37.799 TV shows or analyzing them or assessing them. Or dissecting them. So this 384 00:30:37.839 --> 00:30:42.119 is brand new territory for me. You were talking about this show now is 385 00:30:42.240 --> 00:30:48.200 brand new territory for me. I don't talk about TV shows on talk shows. 386 00:30:48.279 --> 00:30:49.680 Well, i'll tell you why I appreciate you. Now, some people 387 00:30:49.720 --> 00:30:52.799 are going to find this strange that I even wanted to bring you on with 388 00:30:52.920 --> 00:30:57.880 this subject, because usually I'm very dismissive of a lot of television and stuff 389 00:30:57.920 --> 00:31:02.400 like that. I don't watch a lot of it, and I used to 390 00:31:02.480 --> 00:31:04.880 when I was younger, but I don't any longer. And the reason is, 391 00:31:06.039 --> 00:31:11.440 quite frankly, we've gone into an age where, even in the podcast 392 00:31:11.480 --> 00:31:15.559 world, any sort of media creation, all people do, it seems to 393 00:31:15.599 --> 00:31:22.079 me, is they they simply pick up old ideas and redo them. They 394 00:31:22.200 --> 00:31:26.920 never seem to innovate any longer. And there was a time in which people 395 00:31:26.960 --> 00:31:33.160 tried things, and sometimes not so successfully, but people changed the genres themselves. 396 00:31:33.160 --> 00:31:38.000 People changed the way television was done, whether you're talking about Lucy o'ball 397 00:31:38.119 --> 00:31:42.480 or married with children or you know, so on and so forth. Different 398 00:31:42.519 --> 00:31:49.119 things have altered the media because people were innovative about it. Now in our 399 00:31:49.200 --> 00:31:55.839 current sort of you know, mal you of what's happening here we are. 400 00:31:56.480 --> 00:31:59.599 We have podcasters out there that don't know how to do a podcast. They 401 00:31:59.640 --> 00:32:01.720 get on, they have a discussion, they give their opinions, they bs 402 00:32:02.160 --> 00:32:07.079 and that's it. And some of them decide to focus on fandom and they 403 00:32:07.319 --> 00:32:12.200 they they just attached themselves to the popular fandom. Like I can't tell you 404 00:32:12.240 --> 00:32:15.319 how many start like you and I are both Star Trek fans, right, 405 00:32:15.680 --> 00:32:22.519 how many Star Trek podcasts are out there, how many Star Trek YouTube shows 406 00:32:22.680 --> 00:32:28.799 are out there? They are there, but they're just they're just attachments to 407 00:32:28.920 --> 00:32:31.960 something else. They're not innovating anything, you know. I mean they pretend 408 00:32:32.000 --> 00:32:35.519 to. Oh, I have you know, the Captain's Share, and I 409 00:32:35.599 --> 00:32:38.680 break down each episode and I go through each series, and yeah, that's 410 00:32:38.720 --> 00:32:44.480 great because you have this wide field of stuff that somebody created when they were 411 00:32:44.559 --> 00:32:51.839 innovating a particular type of entertainment, you know, and you piled onto it. 412 00:32:51.880 --> 00:32:55.559 But there were points in time not too long ago, when people imagine 413 00:32:55.680 --> 00:33:00.440 different things and created things that were really truly different in their character, in 414 00:33:00.480 --> 00:33:05.880 their presentation, whether it was something that was meant to be a public service 415 00:33:05.960 --> 00:33:09.960 or it was pure entertainment. Is irrelevant. There was a more innovative time 416 00:33:10.279 --> 00:33:15.720 where we didn't just make the eighteenth edition to the Star Wars Universe. Right, 417 00:33:15.359 --> 00:33:20.079 Disney keeps making more and more Star Wars just because they can, you 418 00:33:20.119 --> 00:33:24.079 know what I mean. We don't have superhero movies coming out constantly. But 419 00:33:24.119 --> 00:33:28.079 you know what I'm saying, Like, you're bringing up stuff that I could 420 00:33:28.079 --> 00:33:31.519 talk about. No, no, exactly, but that's my point. I'm 421 00:33:31.519 --> 00:33:36.559 like, I can't talk about it because I'm here to promote my piece. 422 00:33:36.640 --> 00:33:38.960 And I know, I know, and I want people to but I want 423 00:33:38.960 --> 00:33:43.839 people to read this right now. I'm telling you it's really tough because I'm 424 00:33:43.839 --> 00:33:47.599 like Rick Wars. I know, I know, I know, but but 425 00:33:47.640 --> 00:33:51.400 the thing is, it's funny for you right now. I'm like that, 426 00:33:51.680 --> 00:33:54.160 I'm chopping at the bit. It's okay. But the reason why this piece 427 00:33:54.240 --> 00:34:00.240 is important is because it points back to a time when, you know what, 428 00:34:00.400 --> 00:34:04.279 somebody created this, and if you take a look at the way it 429 00:34:04.400 --> 00:34:08.079 was created, it's not just let's do what somebody else already did and slap 430 00:34:08.119 --> 00:34:12.519 a new name on it. Let's not just you know, tag on to 431 00:34:12.639 --> 00:34:15.559 some existing thing. This was. I mean, Netflix at this point is 432 00:34:15.599 --> 00:34:20.559 tagging onto an existing thing and trying to redo it. Yes, but what 433 00:34:20.599 --> 00:34:23.800 I'm saying is you go back to a time when this was created, when 434 00:34:24.079 --> 00:34:30.280 this was you know, different in its in its time period, right, 435 00:34:30.360 --> 00:34:34.119 And that's what's great about this is that you know what you show people, 436 00:34:34.599 --> 00:34:39.199 if you innovate, you might actually create something that becomes a phenomena because it 437 00:34:39.320 --> 00:34:45.559 is attractive, it's interesting, it's entertaining and educational on some level. Right. 438 00:34:46.119 --> 00:34:49.440 There are ways of doing this, like I used to let you brought 439 00:34:49.519 --> 00:34:51.800 up in search of That was one of my favorite shows when I was a 440 00:34:51.880 --> 00:34:54.480 kid too. It was In Search of because it was so great. It 441 00:34:54.519 --> 00:34:59.719 was like this quick rush of information and all of a sudden you might want 442 00:34:59.719 --> 00:35:04.320 to go run out by books find out about this subject. You got very 443 00:35:04.400 --> 00:35:07.679 interested in the subjects that Leonard Nimoy was the host, you know, but 444 00:35:08.840 --> 00:35:12.320 it wasn't I don't think it was really his show. It was like somebody 445 00:35:12.320 --> 00:35:15.039 else. I forget who the writers were at this point, but it didn't 446 00:35:15.079 --> 00:35:22.079 matter. They did such a good job tantalizing you with this fascinating something that 447 00:35:22.519 --> 00:35:24.239 you would all you know, like I knew people who literally got you know, 448 00:35:24.599 --> 00:35:28.599 involved in the Jack the Ripper thing, and were suddenly reading all the 449 00:35:28.599 --> 00:35:31.280 books and trying to find out about the real history and seeing if people were 450 00:35:31.320 --> 00:35:37.960 still alive, and you know, like all kinds of weird things. They 451 00:35:37.960 --> 00:35:40.599 would go and visit the landmarks because they had initially seen it on a television 452 00:35:40.599 --> 00:35:46.440 show. This was kind of inspirational, and it was because it was different. 453 00:35:47.320 --> 00:35:50.400 Now, you know, when you get more of the same, more 454 00:35:50.440 --> 00:35:52.719 of the same, more of the same, it's just like this, you 455 00:35:52.760 --> 00:35:54.719 know, it's the same thing. The guy's playing practical jokes on people. 456 00:35:54.800 --> 00:35:59.239 Okay, we had that little sub genre for a minute, you know, 457 00:35:59.599 --> 00:36:05.639 Komen with Jackass and that Ridiculousness and the show Ridiculousness. Right, anyways, 458 00:36:06.199 --> 00:36:09.800 all these things going on, you know, the people that just took Internet 459 00:36:09.880 --> 00:36:15.880 videos and you know the Daniel Tosh sort of format where you know, I 460 00:36:15.880 --> 00:36:21.239 mean, it's just these were innovations when they were first done. People could 461 00:36:21.360 --> 00:36:24.119 look at things and do them in a different way. And I think Unsolved 462 00:36:24.159 --> 00:36:30.400 Mysteries is an example of that, where indeed mysterious things go all the way 463 00:36:30.400 --> 00:36:36.320 back to you know, you know, written literature. Radio. You know, 464 00:36:36.360 --> 00:36:39.880 there used to be tons of radio stuff that presented mysteries. There might 465 00:36:39.920 --> 00:36:45.199 have even been a show called Unsolved Mysteries that was different from this. In 466 00:36:45.599 --> 00:36:47.760 the time of like you know, the Theater of the Mind, where radio 467 00:36:49.000 --> 00:36:53.800 was the primary entertainment source, right, it was the highest level of entertainment 468 00:36:53.840 --> 00:36:59.840 source for mass distribution. They had mysterious things on there. Some of them 469 00:36:59.840 --> 00:37:04.280 were or you know, plays like and and and series like The Shadow and 470 00:37:04.320 --> 00:37:07.679 Dick Tracy and things like this. Yes, but what I'm saying is that 471 00:37:07.719 --> 00:37:13.440 there were times when these things didn't exist and somebody had to imagine, how 472 00:37:13.480 --> 00:37:17.440 can we do this different? And Unsolved Mysteries is an example of it. 473 00:37:17.960 --> 00:37:22.159 You struck on something that in a way, uh did its own thing, 474 00:37:22.320 --> 00:37:30.480 has not really been truly duplicated, and yet contributes to a bunch of subgenres 475 00:37:30.480 --> 00:37:37.320 and inspired other media. Like I brought up Real People earlier, John Barber's 476 00:37:37.599 --> 00:37:42.599 I've had him on and I love the guy, but yeah, Facebook friends. 477 00:37:42.679 --> 00:37:45.280 I think I'm still Facebook friends with him, but I had talked to 478 00:37:45.360 --> 00:37:51.800 him on Facebook. Very nice guy, seems like and yeah, I remember 479 00:37:51.880 --> 00:37:54.039 real people in the seventies, you know, it feels like real people. 480 00:37:54.119 --> 00:37:59.760 That's ridiculous. Sorry, that's incredible. That's incredible was the ripoff of Real 481 00:38:00.280 --> 00:38:04.519 but it's so funny because that's incredible was the immediate ripoff where they brought in 482 00:38:04.559 --> 00:38:09.559 a bunch of hosts, you know, the studio, the studio with an 483 00:38:09.599 --> 00:38:19.119 audience. Right now, it's interesting in talking about Unsolve Mysteries because and talking 484 00:38:19.119 --> 00:38:22.920 about how different it was, I mentioned the structure of the show, right. 485 00:38:22.440 --> 00:38:27.199 The history of the show is interesting in that it was a show obviously 486 00:38:27.400 --> 00:38:32.000 was unlike other shows on network TV in prime time at the time because it 487 00:38:32.039 --> 00:38:35.960 didn't come from an idea that got turned into a treatment that could turn into 488 00:38:35.960 --> 00:38:40.679 a script that was turned into a pilot. Unsolved Mysteries came about because of 489 00:38:40.800 --> 00:38:47.559 specials. So the kind of special that it was done by these two producers, 490 00:38:47.679 --> 00:38:58.559 John Cosgrovee and Terry Dunn europe or documentary filmmakers, and they they had 491 00:38:59.360 --> 00:39:06.320 done a documentary. There's done special for NBC called Missing Have You Seen This 492 00:39:06.360 --> 00:39:09.199 Person? Was hosted by Meredith Baxter, who was a star of the show 493 00:39:09.400 --> 00:39:15.760 Family Ties It's the Big Hit symptom and her husband David Bernie, and that 494 00:39:15.880 --> 00:39:22.559 of course was dealing with missing people, missing persons, and that special did 495 00:39:22.719 --> 00:39:27.199 well. It was on NBC. It did well, and it came out 496 00:39:27.199 --> 00:39:32.679 in eighty five. There were a couple more specials that came out of the 497 00:39:32.719 --> 00:39:40.039 Missing specials in I think January and April nineteen eighty six. That original Missing 498 00:39:40.079 --> 00:39:44.159 have you have you seen this person? I believe got nominated for an Emmy 499 00:39:44.159 --> 00:39:52.239 Award. And so what happened was that Costco and You're came up with the 500 00:39:52.360 --> 00:39:59.400 concept for Unsolved Mysteries, which was not just to have missing people, but 501 00:39:59.440 --> 00:40:02.480 to have as I mentioned before, with the skeletal structure, the multi varied 502 00:40:02.480 --> 00:40:09.159 structure, to have you know, missing crime stories, to have lost loves, 503 00:40:09.199 --> 00:40:16.679 to have final appeal, to have historical stories, to have various other 504 00:40:16.840 --> 00:40:22.400 types of stories as a part of this, but all mysteries. And that's 505 00:40:22.719 --> 00:40:28.000 what kept that was the motifue, that was the through line, that was 506 00:40:28.079 --> 00:40:40.000 the thread through everything. So that Unsolved Mysteries actually premiered as a special in 507 00:40:40.119 --> 00:40:44.320 January nineteen eighty seven, in nineteen eighty seven, and it was hosted by 508 00:40:44.400 --> 00:40:49.119 Raymond Burke, who people know as Perry Mason. So he did the first 509 00:40:49.400 --> 00:40:53.719 and it was a series of specials. You had Carl Malden who had been 510 00:40:54.199 --> 00:40:59.320 not only a movie actor when an Oscar, but also been a TV star 511 00:40:59.400 --> 00:41:04.159 with the Street San Francisco. He hosted a couple of the Unsolved Mystery specials. 512 00:41:04.320 --> 00:41:08.119 Then Robert Stack got hosted for several more specials, and then finally in 513 00:41:09.320 --> 00:41:16.519 nineteen eighty eight, Onsolve Mysteries got turned into a primetime TV series, greenlit 514 00:41:16.800 --> 00:41:22.639 as a primetime show and it ran on NBC I think for about nine seasons 515 00:41:22.760 --> 00:41:25.599 with Robert Stack, and then as you mentioned, they went to CBS for 516 00:41:25.599 --> 00:41:30.840 a couple of seasons in lifetime and that's after that was its initial run because 517 00:41:30.920 --> 00:41:37.079 Robert Stack died, I believe, and not long after that I think it's 518 00:41:37.119 --> 00:41:40.239 like two thousand and three years tho if I recall correctly, and that cancer 519 00:41:40.440 --> 00:41:47.679 unfortunately, and so the show had a very different kind of history. It 520 00:41:47.719 --> 00:41:52.440 was a show. You know, with these specials, what the networks would 521 00:41:52.440 --> 00:41:55.119 do is they would use them as kind of place filler, seat holder, 522 00:41:57.679 --> 00:42:04.000 time management type programming. You know, if they didn't have a show ready 523 00:42:04.119 --> 00:42:07.960 or they you know, they didn't they didn't want to put on some midseason 524 00:42:07.039 --> 00:42:10.840 replacement in this slot right away, they could do with this kind of special 525 00:42:12.119 --> 00:42:19.920 or entertainment type special and I think these specials did better than I think expected, 526 00:42:20.519 --> 00:42:22.440 and NBC got interested and they turned it into a show, which was 527 00:42:22.440 --> 00:42:25.760 successful. But this is a show that was a top twenty show, right, 528 00:42:25.800 --> 00:42:30.159 And to explain how different it was, just really quickly as a reference 529 00:42:30.199 --> 00:42:32.599 point, to explain how different it was in nineteen eighty seven and eighty eight, 530 00:42:32.599 --> 00:42:38.519 according to Nielsen, the top shows on network television in America were things 531 00:42:38.599 --> 00:42:43.480 like let Me Just Dance through the List really quickly, The Wonder Years, 532 00:42:43.519 --> 00:42:46.679 and Alf and The Golden Girls, and Growing Pains and Who's the Boss and 533 00:42:46.840 --> 00:42:52.280 Night Court, the Cosby Show. Mostly comedies, right, and they were 534 00:42:52.320 --> 00:42:58.519 all sitcom situation comedies. Mostly that was what your big money was. And 535 00:42:58.719 --> 00:43:02.920 NBC was the most dominant network, it appears, with CBS running close behind 536 00:43:04.000 --> 00:43:08.159 and ABC running a distant third. And you know, even though CBS had 537 00:43:08.159 --> 00:43:14.199 stuff like Dallas at Night and you know, a different NBC had Monday Night 538 00:43:14.199 --> 00:43:17.440 Football, et cetera, et cetera, you really had, you know, 539 00:43:17.639 --> 00:43:23.360 mostly those scripted sitcoms seem to be dominating the airwaves in eighty seven and eighty 540 00:43:23.360 --> 00:43:29.519 eight. So yeah, go ahead, that's a very good comparison. So 541 00:43:29.760 --> 00:43:32.400 I'm glad you brought up those shows, because one of the things that I 542 00:43:32.440 --> 00:43:38.280 noted earlier was it was different for virtually every other prime time network TV show, 543 00:43:38.480 --> 00:43:43.599 is that it was a show that was not only true life as I 544 00:43:43.679 --> 00:43:47.559 mentioned in had a Seaton in Search of Right, but it was also a 545 00:43:47.599 --> 00:43:53.760 show that was not a sure entertainment show. It was more of an information 546 00:43:53.880 --> 00:43:59.840 show, and it wasn't I know, the producers don't really see it. 547 00:44:00.039 --> 00:44:06.119 I know they have the new Netflix Unsolved Mysteries. They don't really view it 548 00:44:06.159 --> 00:44:07.960 as a true crime show. I know they kind of edge it, and 549 00:44:08.119 --> 00:44:15.239 I always and I don't disagree with that. I think they're right. I 550 00:44:15.360 --> 00:44:20.719 think I think they're right. I think they're right. Well, the only 551 00:44:20.840 --> 00:44:25.039 informational just really quickly again to note for what was what was rated highest back 552 00:44:25.079 --> 00:44:30.639 then, the only informational show in the top ten according to Nielsen again in 553 00:44:30.679 --> 00:44:36.199 eighty seven and eighty eight was sixty Minutes, which had been a staple of 554 00:44:36.239 --> 00:44:39.159 network television as you well know, CBS magazine, you know, news magazine 555 00:44:39.239 --> 00:44:44.559 show. It's still big now, seems like, and you know, but 556 00:44:44.920 --> 00:44:46.639 it's a staple. It's one of those things. And that's the only thing 557 00:44:46.679 --> 00:44:52.400 that was really in the top ten that was of an informational sort of you 558 00:44:52.440 --> 00:44:55.639 know, even the news shows, Nightline and all that, none of that 559 00:44:55.760 --> 00:45:01.119 stuff was that big at that timeline and really was born out of the what 560 00:45:01.159 --> 00:45:05.480 do you call the hostage crisis. That's where that thing became popular. That's 561 00:45:05.519 --> 00:45:09.039 right, there was the Iridian Hearts hostage crisis. Yeah, and it kind 562 00:45:09.039 --> 00:45:14.400 of evolved from there. It was supposed to be a again place filler show, 563 00:45:14.920 --> 00:45:19.400 late at night time, filler seat filler show as I call it, 564 00:45:19.760 --> 00:45:27.760 and that evolved to become a staple of late night programming for ABC. Yeah, 565 00:45:27.800 --> 00:45:31.920 and it's interesting so that, again, the comparisons are very apt. 566 00:45:31.960 --> 00:45:37.320 I'm glad you bring up these other shows because they demonstrate the landscape of network 567 00:45:37.360 --> 00:45:42.719 TV, the landscape of TV at the time, and why Unsolved Mysteries was 568 00:45:42.880 --> 00:45:46.840 very different. Yes, no one was going to call up to The Cosby 569 00:45:46.920 --> 00:45:52.800 Show or night Court and try to figure out what happened on that show. 570 00:45:52.880 --> 00:45:58.280 There was nothing to figure out. Apply goes from you know, uh goes 571 00:45:58.280 --> 00:46:01.519 from A to B two C and then it ends right. But people could 572 00:46:01.559 --> 00:46:07.119 call up the one eight hundred number. It previously was a peal box. 573 00:46:07.280 --> 00:46:09.480 But the one eight hundred number fer Ontell Mysteries and say, oh, that 574 00:46:09.559 --> 00:46:13.280 guy you had on the show was an escape fugitive. He looks like the 575 00:46:13.320 --> 00:46:16.239 guy who lives in an apartment across from me, or the guy who works 576 00:46:17.400 --> 00:46:22.559 at the store that I work at, or the guy uses the gym that 577 00:46:22.639 --> 00:46:28.159 I'm at. That's what people could do, and there was a kind of 578 00:46:28.280 --> 00:46:35.320 immediacy about it. I don't know what the results are like now, because 579 00:46:36.119 --> 00:46:39.320 I know they have the new Unsolved Mysteries and I'm sure people will go online 580 00:46:39.360 --> 00:46:45.559 and send emails and go to the Unsolved dot Com site. But I don't 581 00:46:45.599 --> 00:46:49.599 think it's the same as there was back in eighty eight, eighty nine to 582 00:46:49.679 --> 00:46:57.639 ninety and onward up until well at the end of it with Lifetime two thousand 583 00:46:57.639 --> 00:47:06.960 and one or so. One doesn't do There isn't that immediacy. There isn't 584 00:47:07.039 --> 00:47:15.960 that freshness. There isn't that vitality of interactivity that you got with that show, 585 00:47:16.440 --> 00:47:20.480 and that was one of the reasons it did. Now what was brought 586 00:47:20.519 --> 00:47:23.679 up was America's Most Wanted, But America's Most Wanted is a crime show based 587 00:47:23.719 --> 00:47:30.519 on the UK show Crime Watch, and that's a pure crime show. I 588 00:47:30.559 --> 00:47:37.440 think America's most wanted clearly was a show that the fledgling thoughts that were at 589 00:47:37.440 --> 00:47:43.920 the time must have green lit partly because of what was happening with Unsolved Mysteries. 590 00:47:44.960 --> 00:47:49.320 Must have seen that criminal component. But I know the producers are unsolved. 591 00:47:49.440 --> 00:47:52.119 They don't really see their show as a true crime show. Even with 592 00:47:52.199 --> 00:47:54.159 the new we move that's out, they don't really see it as a crime 593 00:47:54.199 --> 00:48:01.039 show. I don't disagree, but I think that crime and criminal element weird 594 00:48:01.320 --> 00:48:06.320 way to say it, but the criminal element of the show really helped the 595 00:48:06.360 --> 00:48:10.840 show become successful because my understanding is when it came to the stories and unsolved 596 00:48:10.880 --> 00:48:16.599 mysteries, one of the way they'd get like segments and cases of what was 597 00:48:16.719 --> 00:48:22.639 by co calling and also calling up top, you know, police departments across 598 00:48:22.639 --> 00:48:27.440 the country, and at first, from what I understand, they were like 599 00:48:27.880 --> 00:48:36.360 very hesitant to get involved. But once the success record was being demonstrated episode 600 00:48:36.360 --> 00:48:40.920 after episode after episode with the updates right, they were aboard. And I 601 00:48:42.000 --> 00:48:45.920 know that Terry dunn Yours set in interviews the police in a lot of small 602 00:48:45.960 --> 00:48:52.280 towns and a lot of areas would roll out the red carpet for unsolved mysteries. 603 00:48:52.639 --> 00:48:57.199 And that's another aspect I should address. I don't want to go too 604 00:48:57.239 --> 00:48:59.920 far into what how the show worked. Does I want people to read my 605 00:49:00.159 --> 00:49:05.000 piece, But I'll just shite one aspect of why the shows the success. 606 00:49:05.079 --> 00:49:10.719 Why the show worked authenticity primarily in terms of locations. They when an event 607 00:49:12.039 --> 00:49:15.440 took place, they would usually go to the state, the city, and 608 00:49:15.519 --> 00:49:21.000 the town and the area where it took place. Often they would hire local 609 00:49:21.079 --> 00:49:27.719 actors to portray people, or people who were involved in the events, portrayed 610 00:49:27.760 --> 00:49:34.320 themselves and were involved in some way. So now, of course this didn't 611 00:49:34.360 --> 00:49:40.320 really make for any winning acting, but you know, but it made for 612 00:49:40.599 --> 00:49:45.079 it's still made for compelling TV. After all, these are re enactments. 613 00:49:45.760 --> 00:49:51.519 I mean, if you want really well acted stop you make a m OW 614 00:49:51.599 --> 00:49:54.920 or movie of the week, or you make a theatrical motion picture and put 615 00:49:54.920 --> 00:49:59.960 it in theaters, you know, or TV or another kind of TV show. 616 00:50:00.440 --> 00:50:04.840 Right. I think it's undeniable though that it's certainly whether it was meant 617 00:50:04.920 --> 00:50:07.960 to be. You know, true crime was meant to be an aspect of 618 00:50:07.000 --> 00:50:09.840 it, but not a main aspect of it. It was just, you 619 00:50:09.880 --> 00:50:13.760 know, part of it. But the thing is you can't deny though, 620 00:50:13.800 --> 00:50:16.599 and I don't think anybody could that it had a great deal of influence on 621 00:50:16.760 --> 00:50:22.159 later true crime because all of these cold case shows out there, there's tons 622 00:50:22.199 --> 00:50:25.760 of them under different names, different networks. You know, Discoveries got them 623 00:50:25.760 --> 00:50:30.760 and History Channels got them, and they're cold case shows, I call them, 624 00:50:30.519 --> 00:50:34.800 and I'm probably using the wrong label, but you know what I'm talking 625 00:50:34.800 --> 00:50:39.960 about, And they indeed go to the locations because I think Unsolved Mysteries did 626 00:50:39.960 --> 00:50:45.039 it first and showed them that it worked. They do reenactments sometimes they try 627 00:50:45.079 --> 00:50:50.360 and show, you know, legitimate footage too. I think Unsolved Mysteries occasionally 628 00:50:50.400 --> 00:50:52.280 did that where it was like, here's some real footage and now here's a 629 00:50:52.320 --> 00:50:57.360 reenactment. And they were one of the first shows to not try and blur 630 00:50:57.760 --> 00:51:00.280 the line. They would tell you this is a reenactment. You know, 631 00:51:00.480 --> 00:51:06.800 they go on this. Yeah. Yeah. Well. My assessment of Unsolved 632 00:51:06.800 --> 00:51:14.519 Mysteries from more of a producing and and from a television standpoint is these were 633 00:51:14.519 --> 00:51:20.960 fundamentally documentary filmmakers caused from your made documentaries. They had made a documentary back 634 00:51:20.960 --> 00:51:24.880 in eighty three for HBO called Five Dangerous Guns, which was about gun ownership. 635 00:51:25.920 --> 00:51:30.199 And I think the directors often on Unsolved Mysteries scheme from documentary backgrounds. 636 00:51:30.639 --> 00:51:39.079 So these are primarily documentary filmmakers doing a network show. And so the I 637 00:51:39.119 --> 00:51:47.639 think Unsolved Mysteries didn't look like the standard dramatic show because it wasn't a dramatic 638 00:51:47.639 --> 00:51:52.039 show that was one hour show. I think it was different because they were 639 00:51:52.079 --> 00:51:55.440 going for authenticity, which is the point that I make in my article. 640 00:51:57.159 --> 00:52:02.480 That's very different. I hate to say, but most so called Hollywood film 641 00:52:02.480 --> 00:52:08.480 and TV commercial uh, not just commercials, but TV and UH and films 642 00:52:09.119 --> 00:52:14.280 don't really care that much about authenticity. Some do, many do not. 643 00:52:15.320 --> 00:52:22.159 I hesitate to use the film Napoleon as example, you know, because the 644 00:52:22.199 --> 00:52:29.599 director Famous Lee told historians what he thought, uh they should do initially in 645 00:52:30.280 --> 00:52:36.360 contradistinction or in contrast to his movie, and so Unsolved was different in that. 646 00:52:36.760 --> 00:52:39.119 And I cite this because I can't cite every reason why it works because 647 00:52:39.119 --> 00:52:44.239 nobody reads the article if I don't. But it was an authentic show, 648 00:52:44.599 --> 00:52:47.159 it was shot in the locations. When you say that it was among the 649 00:52:47.159 --> 00:52:52.039 first to do that, I think outside of news, I think I think 650 00:52:52.079 --> 00:52:53.440 it was one of the first. I mean, it was a show. 651 00:52:54.159 --> 00:53:00.119 I mean I was looking at some episodes last night and and the episode, 652 00:53:00.159 --> 00:53:04.880 you know, the segment I looked at was the d V Cooper case, 653 00:53:04.920 --> 00:53:09.960 which I've discussed on your program this year, in fact, and it was 654 00:53:10.000 --> 00:53:15.079 one of the cases I got from on Zolmscruse. Not that I hadn't heard 655 00:53:15.079 --> 00:53:19.440 of it before, but I've seen that segment. I also saw one called 656 00:53:19.599 --> 00:53:23.280 about Don Henry and Kevin Ives and the death of those two young men in 657 00:53:23.400 --> 00:53:28.480 Arkansas. That's another one I saw Terry me that was a very well done 658 00:53:28.559 --> 00:53:36.440 segment. And I saw the first episode of Unsolved Onsale Mysteres. The pilot, 659 00:53:36.559 --> 00:53:39.119 like I said, was a special with Raymond Burr, but the first 660 00:53:39.119 --> 00:53:44.480 episode, of course was with Robert Stack, who did all the subsequent episodes. 661 00:53:45.039 --> 00:53:53.199 And so the show was the show had a real feel to it it 662 00:53:53.679 --> 00:53:58.199 And you know, you you look at this show and you it shot in 663 00:53:58.280 --> 00:54:02.360 different locations, it's shot using at times real people. You know, you 664 00:54:02.440 --> 00:54:07.880 mentioned real people the TV show, Well, this show used real people, 665 00:54:07.440 --> 00:54:15.320 and you could tell often there wasn't anything inauthentic about on some issues. If 666 00:54:15.360 --> 00:54:20.679 anything comes out to me, it's it's the show wasn't inauthentic, and the 667 00:54:20.719 --> 00:54:27.199 show fundamentally was trying to get the audience to take part by saying, look, 668 00:54:27.760 --> 00:54:32.760 someone out there knows something, and if you know something, call us. 669 00:54:35.320 --> 00:54:38.719 And that's where they had a telecenter, which was like a man you 670 00:54:38.760 --> 00:54:46.920 know, you know, with a large amount of cubicles and for episodes when 671 00:54:47.280 --> 00:54:52.639 they would during the episodes of the air, they get calls and often you'd 672 00:54:52.639 --> 00:54:59.280 have law enforcement personnel that were standing by, uh there to you know, 673 00:54:59.440 --> 00:55:05.400 God's talk to somebody or what have you. And so the term interactive which 674 00:55:05.440 --> 00:55:09.599 you used, is very important. It was I think very much a pioneer 675 00:55:09.639 --> 00:55:14.400 of interactivity on TV. Right. So what I want to do is have 676 00:55:14.519 --> 00:55:17.840 people go to that is the week that is which is the title of your 677 00:55:17.840 --> 00:55:22.559 substack. I want people to read it there. As I said, I'm 678 00:55:22.599 --> 00:55:24.320 going to publish it here too, but I'm going to give you guys the 679 00:55:24.400 --> 00:55:29.400 reference link to go and look at the original article. I want you to 680 00:55:29.440 --> 00:55:34.119 do that explore this idea because again I think it is a great interest. 681 00:55:35.679 --> 00:55:37.480 Excuse me, has a lot to say, Sae. I'm still coughing a 682 00:55:37.480 --> 00:55:44.280 little bit guys. Sorry, excuse me again, not even going to hit 683 00:55:44.280 --> 00:55:46.280 the cough button. All right, here we go. I want you to 684 00:55:46.280 --> 00:55:50.639 go over to Albert Lanier's substack. Check it out for sure. That is 685 00:55:50.679 --> 00:55:53.719 the week. That is is the general title. And this particular article, 686 00:55:54.239 --> 00:55:59.519 yeah, this particular article is called you May be Able to Solve a Mystery 687 00:56:00.360 --> 00:56:04.920 and that's it, and it is about unsolved mysteries and it is worth your 688 00:56:05.039 --> 00:56:07.679 time. So that's all I got to say about that. And again I 689 00:56:07.719 --> 00:56:12.320 want to thank Albert Lanier for being with us tonight. Neil Chilly effect is 690 00:56:12.400 --> 00:56:35.880 done for. Do you like history? Real history that you were never taught 691 00:56:35.920 --> 00:56:42.360 in schools? Why the Vietnam War Nuclear Bombs in nation Building in Southeast Asia 692 00:56:42.480 --> 00:56:47.679 by author Mike Swanson with new documentation never seen before that'll open your eyes to 693 00:56:47.840 --> 00:56:53.119 events that led up to this. 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Make this mob an extension of yourself. 772 01:03:15.599 --> 01:03:19.159 This is James cor Corner Report dot com and you're listening to the Affected 773 01:03:19.639 --> 01:04:00.119 dot com oh Chili dot com dot Com Radio Network eight