What is krak lac in fellow thermonuclear a efforts. I am dan Fa Valley
coming at you solo today for a little bit of trade deadline talk. If
you are listening to this on your podcast, feed this pre season episode that
Grant and I did. If you're watching it on YouTube, it's standalone and
you can look for that episode with Grant and I will be coming out on
Tuesday. We will, however, be covering the NBA trade deadline around these
parts in earnest. It's Monday, January eighth when this goes live. That's
one month out from the twenty twenty four NBA trade deadline. And I found
a lot of the discourse fascinating this year, and I think that we're shaping
up for one what could be a Bonker's NBA trade deadline, but what's going
to be one of the more fascinating NBA trade deadlines that we've seen. We
had WOJ right before the old Janobi trade say it could be a slow trade
deadline. Then O g Anobi gets traded. I believe it was before og
got traded. That happens every year, not with just Wode specifically, but
there are these warnings of there's gonna be a lot of chatter no movement,
and we've definitely had trade deadlines at different scales, but every year there is
some level of madness. Even if it's not an All NBA type player being
moved, we could have multiple of those caliber players moved. This trade deadline,
when you're looking at all NBA is probably a stretch for everyone except Pascal
Siakam, who's left been tearing it up lately. By the way, Zach
Lavine, All Star caliber player, Larry Marketen, All Star caliber player,
de Jontay Murray, kind of fringe people are down on him, but that
contract is super interesting. There can also just be surprised names that crop up
every year, and I'm intrigued for so many reasons because you look at not
just some of the names that are out there, and there's this element of,
Okay, well, what are the Raptors doing? Are they going to
move Siakam? I not that a complete one to eighty on this. It
just would not surprise me if the plan is to keep him, because he's
so good and what is the past. Like some of the trade packages that
are being mentioned for Pascal Siakam just blow my mind. This is someone who's
gonna at bottom require multiple first round picks, and probably a nice young player
or useful veteran players, because the Raptors don't look like they're going for that
hard reset based off what they prioritized in the og Ananobi return. I do
expect, though this is not saying that I think that no stars are gonna
get moved. If I had to pick, you know, between Dejontay,
Zach Lavine, Pascal Siakam, I would say at least one of those guys
get moved. I would say Dejontay Murray gets moved to if you don't consider
him a star, that's fine. And let's just not forget about some of
the surprise players. When you go through, there's always a team. It
feels like that is just going to shock us, whether they make this buy
type of move or if they start to sell. It's look Brooklyn hovering at
ninth in the Eastern Conference as I record this five games under five hundred,
could they look at movie McHale bridges. If the offer is right, everyone
expects Dorian Finney Smith or Royce O'Neill. Maybe Nick Classon gets involved with that.
I just don't think we can rule out something like that, or maybe
the Rockets decide to move on from Jalen Green, do the Thunder decide to
look at Josh Giddy. This is to me, though, what makes the
trade deadline so fascinating this year is we've now been so entrenched in the playing
competitive landscape that by extension, there are so many could be, would be
should be might be actually are buyers. And that has basically been the case
since the play in and started, and we've tried to identify teams. Oh
well, you know, let's use as an example. Okay, the Jazz,
I'm recording this. They're two losses outside the plan and they are about
to play through one of the most brutal stretches of the year for any team.
I think they could decide not to make a move because why they have
all the picks that they need. And I think you're running into this with
some of the other rebuilding teams. I guess New Orleans and Oklahoma the Oklham
save Thunder are not rebuilding. But when you've gotten, in Utah's case,
all these picks already and you have some other future first rounders on the balance,
if you're San Antonio there's not going to be that urgency necessarily to sell,
or you're a team like the Pistons that's kind of stuck in this malaise
and you don't really have Yeah, you could really use extra first round equity,
you don't have players who are gonna get that by themselves. I don't
know how much. Boyan Bgdonovich, who is probably your best non core trade
asset at this point, how much is he going to fetch you. You
probably need to stack players on top of one another, or look at moving
a Jade and Ivy if you wanted to get any real meaningful first round equity
back. Yes, and so there's that team like a Detroit where okay,
they could sell, but how much do they actually have to sell? That's
going to complicate the trade deadline. I think what's also going to be mega
fascinating is you have these really good player types Jeremy Grant in Portland, even
though there's been messaging that Portland doesn't want to move in, Portland would absolutely
move him if he offers right. Kyle Kuzman, Washington, that was a
deal. It is declining in scale moving forward. Was signed so they could
trade. What is the line in the sand going to be though, for
those teams, are those sort of mid end type of players going to get
dealt on the same level as in og Anobi's probably better than the Jeremy gran
over og right now is probably yeah, I think that's right. But on
that level of player, what's the asking price going to be? Because you
can set it and say, well, we want a first round pick and
a young player or two first round picks. Who's giving you that? That's
what else makes this trade deadline incredibly fascinating. Some of the teams that you
would expect to be most aggressive, or many of them like they're just pick
poor. Milwaukee already played the Damian Lillard card. The Lakers can only trade
one first round pick. The Clippers can only trade one first round pick and
already acquired James Harden. You have these teams at the top. Okay,
Boston has all I think they have first round picks that they could trade.
They don't have all their own first That was a stupid thing to say.
They have first round picks that they could trade. They have very little salary
matching when they're mentioned for Kelly Olynik or Chris Bousche, what's the money that's
going out to get that if you're not building some super complex deal with too
many plays involved. They're not just gonna trade Al Horford, who's still important
to their team. They're not just gonna trade Drew Holliday or Derek White,
who who's been playing his ass off this year. So that's a team that's
probably gonna be a lot of other teams might be more married to the buyout
market await those certain players. You can't sign in the buyout market if they
make more than the current mid level exception. You're not gonna be able to
go to a team that's with inside the first apron of the salary cap about
seven million dollars over the luxury tax. Excuse me, That's what I meant.
And so you have the top the tippy top. But then there's also
you look at the element of the Clippers and if they're willing to move some
players who are kind of important, if they're not married to the Norm Powell
salary, if they can attach that first round pick to PJ. Tucker,
they can actually make a pretty big splash. And so are they going to
play that card the Lakers, that distant first round pick is intriguing. Are
they gonna pull the lever of do we go get Zacklovine? Is it somebody
else? Is the Marta Rosen and Alex Caruso the answer? And then that's
gonna lead you to the other question, the existential questions for and I want
to get into more of that the Lakers warrior stuff. But the Bulls are
mentioned as this. Let's the Bulls, The Raptors and the Hawks are all
mentioned as these teams that are just They could be wild sellers. They could
both also go in the other direction. I don't think Chicago should, but
we've seen a track record that they will try and throw good money after bad.
The Hawks been playing a little bit better lately. They are going to
be cash conscious. It looks like they're open for business on anyone not a
named Trey Young or Jalen Johnson. So, yes, the very they could
be the team that defines the deadline if they move DeAndre Hunter and Clint Capella
and Dejante Murray and bo Da Bardanovic. They could also be a team that
talks themselves into okay, well, you know we're still right there in the
play in or the Bulls gonna fall off we could make some type of move.
We know the Raptors are already willing to think like that. We saw
them do it just last season. If you're gonna keep Pascal Siakam and you've
acquired a manual quickly so you're gonna pay, you've acquired RJ. Barrett,
you owe that top six protected pick to San Antonio this year, you could
be a team that actually goes for it. And so there's this very i
would say unique push and pull, maybe even on an existential level for so
many of these teams that are trying to figure out what to do. And
I do think even if you believe that this type of stuff exists out there
every season, and there's definitely always the surplus of buyers. The dynamic this
season though, where it feels like we're seeing a if not a changing,
a shifting of the guard. Looking at Minnesota and Oka see just blowing up
the standings. And then also at the bottom of that end where you have
these teams that might be fading out. Golden State, for one, are
they a team that kind of has to decide They are a team that has
to decide are we gonna go for it now? Or do we just start
leaning into the young kids, and it's really time to start thinking about moving
Draymond Green and Klay Thompson. I can't imagine they would move Steph unless he
asked for out. I would expect, just because that's how things go.
Win this situation, they will inevitably favor the immediate timeline. But then what
does that mean? Yeah, you could say, okay, Johnathan can make
a gun, Moses Moody gone, but is Andrew Wiggins gone? Are they
gonna move Chris Paul following his fractured hand. He's out four to six weeks,
by the way, still an expiring contract that could be used in moves.
I think it probably makes it more likely that he's moved now that he's
injured than it was before, to be quite honest with you, just because
they don't have four to six weeks to buy this time. That's the trade
deadline at that point. And unless you believe that Okay, well Draymond will
still be on the court at that point. Maybe Clay continues to play better
on the offensive end, we could make a run as is. I don't
see it. They could just go the other route that where we're really gonna
lean into the kids and this kind of starts a different type of movement there.
We're seeing it with the Lakers right now, where I think probably too
much of the blame is hauling on dartin Ham. I don't love the personnel
that they have there to begin with. Could they make a coaching change.
We know they're not going to all of a sudden start selling, but then
what is the buy move that they do? How all in do they go?
Do they give up that twenty nine or twenty thirty first round pick?
And who's it for? Do they view Demarta Rosen is worth that even though
I think functionally he's not a great fit for them on the offensive end?
Do they roll the dice on zach Lavine, whose salary structure certainly complicates things
for that moving forward. Or is there an opportunity out there that's not being
discussed or one that's been tangentially discussed. We mentioned it, We were way
ahead of this on the podcast, saying it's only a matter of time before
they register interests in Deshontay Murray. They entered the Deshontai Murray sweepstakes. I
can't remember who reported it, but that was like a week ago. Or
a few days ago that it was mentioned, and so they're going to be
another wildcard team then everyone then you just have your normal it's you know,
the contenders, the good teams that are going to be looking to make upgrades.
However marginal. You know, we mentioned Boston or Milwaukee. What can
they actually do? Can Milwaukee get a point of attack defender? How much
does Dennis Smith Junior cost? Can they get a flyer on Davion Mitchell depending
on what the Kings want for him. But beyond them, though, the
Sixers are sitting here with these assets, Joel Embiid is injured, Tyrese Maxi's
on this meteoric rise. They have a need for either another ball handler or
wing type. I don't think they're gonna go all in mid season. That
just doesn't feel like Darryl Moury's style at this point because of the cat flexibility
he's about to have this summer. But they could do something they could do
so they could straddle that line. Yeah, maybe it's a low end acquisition
or where they're just trying to it's someone who's on expiring contract. They're using
some of their middle end salaries below the Danfy meltains here to step out of
their way to get somebody, or do they do something in the middle.
They've been mentioned for de Jontay Murray, not a fit that I particularly love.
And we look at these teams team like the Knicks who just acquired O
Gianninobi, which one opens up different avenues for them to now try because they
do need another ball handed to or a creation. That's why Jeanta Murray's being
mentioned so much. I'll aduce McBride the other night in Philly was basically like,
yeah, fuck you, that's not happening. They're a team that could
still do something pretty sizable and they're going to be buying. Then there are
these teams that I feel like the Pacers, the magic teams that people want
to buy or to make that move to get the magic shooting, to get
the Pacers a combo winger forward. By the way, I am warming up
to the idea of Pascal Siakam in Indiana more and more. I don't know
if that displeases Pacers fans or not. I've been more so they need to
s Q three four. I'm kind of just to the point where I look
at them. It'd be really nice to have that secondary creator or second creator
just to call it. In the playoffs, and Pascal Siakam, for all
his flaws, he's shown he can do that before. I'm warming up to
that idea. But are they gonna give up enough to get him from Toronto?
Because you're not gonna get stuff without giving up stuff. And then there
are these other Oklahoma City you could throw in the Pacers, Magic Tier two.
Everyone they're second in the West. Everyone wants them to make a trade.
They can do whatever they want. They could do nothing just because they've
been playing so well. They could do something that's kind of on the margins
where it's, oh, well, like Trey Man and Poku, they're not
gonna be around here, so we'll just sort of flip them, roll them
into seconds or whatever we could get. They could do something on the middle
end of the spectrum. I think they're a team that should at least think
about this is not my first move for them, they should least think about
to Jante Murray, where if you move Giddey's minutes to Murray's minutes, he
is a better off ball fit, he's a better defender. You lose rebounding,
you do lose some playmaking there. I think that they need the creation
shock creation in the playoffs more as good as their half court offense has been
this season. And that's somebody who doesn't cost you the whole kit and kaboodle.
I don't even know if he costs you Josh Giddy. Quite frankly,
I would not, And by the way, I would keep kase A while
it's over Josh Giddy at this point, if he came down to it.
They're also a team that could just do They could go all in, but
they won't. It's not even worth mentioning. I don't know where Larry Marketing
falls on that end of the spectrum for them. That's someone who I love
for O casing, and that's not really unique. That's been said a bunch
at this point. I could also see them being the team that you're sort
of rolling your Damas Breton's salary into another salary that you can then move over
the offseason or try and rehabilitate. Is it John Collins, there's two years
left on his deal after this one. I mentioned Lonzo ball is a joke.
Just as the Bulls were looking to save money after this season, he's
starting to run again. I don't think you get you'll acquire him with the
intention of him being a part of your team. But if you just take
a flyer on Lonzo Ball so you have that expiring money into next season that
you can then use in a trade, that is something that that would be
very much on Okac's level. Minnesota doesn't have a ton, but I've started
to think if you start baking in pick swaps along with Leonard Miller's generating a
lot of buzz from what he's done in the G League, and you do
have some salary matching tools in Kyle Anderson, Shake, Milton Nikhil, Alexander
Walker, guys who are making more of the minimum. Are you willing to
move off of nas Reed if you're that married to the Karl Anthony Towns,
ready go Barrettier as I think it was Dane Moore had mentioned this read after
what I thought was a terrific start, has not been as good defensively this
season, So are you willing to look at moving him to go get in
service of another shot creator, point guard type to help manage your offense when
Anthony Edwards is off the floor, Maybe just to pair with Anthony Edwards in
certain moments if you don't think Mike Commley's always going to be an answer who
By the way, Mike Conley's going to be a free agent after this season
Minnesota. I don't know what the cost is on him, and I think
if I'm in Atlanta, I'm hanging up the phone just because I don't think
this is enough. But if you start putting Minnesota's best possible offer on the
table, where it's Leonard Miller, are you intrigued by Wendell Moore or Josh
might not? And some of these pick swops, and then it's getting these
lower cost salaries, some of which are coming off the books, like a
Dejontay Murray trade for them, or a boat down Magdonovitch trade for them,
if they could swing it, just like to get that guy in there.
I don't know if Minnesota would look at it as well, then we just
have six starters. If you're getting a type of Bugdanovitch is an easier sell
off the bench. But if it's de Jontay Murray and all of a sudden
you have Kat Gobert Murray and and Conley and Jade McDaniels, it's a lot
of a lot of players, but you could fiddle with your closing lineup,
especially given how just oh Jade McDaniels this season has been. He's he's dealt
with injuries. So the Nuggets, they're not. I wouldn't expect them to
do anything because they're so married to this youth movement and they're just they're gonna
be so good when it matters most. It's like they're a team which you
look at, Okay, we know what they're gonna do with the trade deadline.
Uh, it's kind of diddo for just like the Charlotte the Charlotte Hornets,
they might trade Terry Rozier, they might trade Gordon Hayward, but nothing
of like super constants one way or the other for them. That might be
underestimating the season terror Zie has had, though, what's the asking price for
him? That falls into that mid end of well, what does it cost
to get Kuzma? What does it cost to get Jeremy Grant there My guess
would be, if we don't see at least two of marketing Levine Siakam Murray
traded and plus plus surprise star X, we're gonna see a lot of the
Kuzma level Jeremy Grant level terror Rozier type moves, because there are teams out
there that just need that extra leg And I think that the lack of sellers
almost increases the likelihood, or not even just the lack of sellers, the
lack of clarity on who is going to sell and which of the should be
buyers will actually buy. Again, I'm referencing the Magic the Thunder. How
aggressive will a team like the Timberwolves be or the Clippers be just because they
have some assets? How aggressive are the Kings going to be? They have
very clear needs or two They've been mentioned to Siakam. They they were the
favorites, and then an hour and a half later they weren't. They were
facing the Raptors that night. That's how those things work. Can they get
in on some wing defense or additional point of attack defender who doesn't shrink the
floor for you offensively, or a big who protects the rim but it's also
a good offensive fit up around some bonus. I don't know who I just
described, maybe Chris Bouchet. I feel like I'm contractually obligated to mention him.
There are so many unanswered questions here, Even like the Houston Rockets could
be buyers, and I could be. They're probably buyers because they're they're worried
about the here and now. And they've been so good at home this year,
where they fifteen and six at home this season, and they did just
beat they did just beat the Bucks. That's a different story. They're another
team that could buy. And so you look at these conferences and in the
East there are twelve teams, the one seed through right now, the twelve
seed, which is the Toronto Raptors. Those are all teams that can talk
themselves into buying. And then you're in the West, and I think it's
one through eleven for sure can talk themselves into buying. The Lakers are eleventh
right now, but the Jet the Grizzlies are thirteenth. They're kind of a
wildcard here. They have their own first round picks, they have some mid
end salaries. If they want to get in for just a stop gap big
who's also higher impact, maybe on an expiring contract or a contract they don't
mind footing the bill in tandem with Steven Adams end or Brandon Clark next season,
they can go after that. We know they need a wing. We
know they could still use shooting, even though Lukenard is back in the lineup.
They're a team that, yeah, the record doesn't show it, and
they're probably just gonna wind up in the plane. They were eight losses out
of sixth place right now, and so the playing is their best bet.
But they're all about the now anyway. It's not gonna change if they don't
make a trade there. So you might as well get in on sweepstakes of
players you believe would be good fits beyond this season as well. And so
I would say between the Jazz, I would say, it's just the Jazz,
the Blazers, and the Spurs. We just know that they're not gonna
buy except oh wait, the Spurs could kind of use a four general and
Trey Jones and Wenby prove that I feel like eighty times a game. Maybe
could they just decide to get in on the Tias Jones sweepstakes something like that,
Like could they come in and scoop up one of these players that Tias
Jones is not someone you're banking to reach the buyout market, but if you're
a contender, maybe you're looking to see if THELN Wrights can reach the buyout
market. Or the spur just come and swoop in and say, hey,
this fills the need. We have some contracts that fit it. The cost
is so low, let's go get him. They could sneak in there and
do that. Utah could do that. I say that they're not going to
be definitively buyers, but I would also advocate if the price is right,
they should be in on de Jontey Murray. That's a name that makes a
lot of sense for them. They could also be sellers. And so this
uncertainy, I think is going to make for a very interesting dynamic that is
going to clash and what it all leads to to get at the To wrap
up the thesis of this argument, there is going to be in my mind,
I won't identify it. Maybe I'll throw out a couple scenarios here.
There is going to be anywhere between one to like three or four firework moves
that I just don't think we saw coming. And I'm not saying fireworks need
to be Oh, the Pelicans traded Zion Williamson, another team that should be
buying by the way, they've decided, well Brandinger was playing so well a
Zion such a health risk even though he's played well at points. We have
all these lineup data that says we're great like this. I'm not saying it's
gonna be a movie. I wouldn't. I wouldn't bet on that. But
there's going to be just something someone we didn't see coming, or there's going
to be a team that's forced into a decision that it otherwise wouldn't necessarily have
made because one maybe the offer is just too good since there is a lack
of sellers, or they just lose so much ground. Golden State is like
a perfect example here. We know the Lakers are what do they have to
sell? They're not unless Anty Davis Lebron James requests of trade, they're not
going anywhere. The Warriors are a wildcard in that instance, just like the
Hawks or the Raptors, as much as the Bulls or the Nets, even
though and there's just there's there's layers to the wildcard status here too. Wendell
Carter Junior in Orlandos he expendable because Gogo Ptadze Movagner exists apparently, and he
was banged up this season, hasn't had the greatest season overall. Like that,
that's not a that doesn't count as a selling move. But Wendell Carter
Junior is a player that would log a ton of minutes for a bunch of
teams, teams that might actually want him. And so that's someone who can
both shift the landscape a little bit. And it's just a name that we're
not throwing around there in the mainstream that much. The mainstreamish guy that I
will be watching just because now OG's off the board, and there's so many
teams that need this player and he provides more from scratch scoring is Michel Bridges.
If they don't move him, I think we're either gonna hear reports that
they had these what was it, four first round picks slash year for him.
It wouldn't surprise me if there's more than that on the table the rumor
is, however accurate it is, or did they decide to get involved in
the Pascal Siakam sweepstakes themselves or maybe even de Jante Murray to get another creator
in there. This trade deadline is a lot of teams, a lot of
fan bases will be unhappy as always because you're you know, if you're a
Kings fan, if you're a Pacers fan, you're gonna be linked to players
and you're either not gonna get those players, or maybe you don't do anything
like even on the I'm a big advocate of just a Jay Shawn Tate in
Sacramento could make a world of difference, or even an Alex Caruso. You
might not even make that type of a move. If you're the Kings,
it just might not be out there and you're not You're gonna be very selective
about your all in moves. That's why I'm leary about the Siakam fit.
From a talent perspective. If the Raptors don't want to move, I'm sure
do it, especially if you think he's gonna stick around. But then you're
using your best assets on not filling enough of your biggest needs in that scenario,
and that creates some awkwardness moving forward. And I think you could look
legitimately at twenty five teams in the league and make a case for them to
just be wild cards at the deadline, and the number might even be higher
than that. The knownes for me are Charlotte. They will sell Hayward Rosier.
Maybe if Martin comes in, picks up Cody Martin. There's Washington,
just everyone except for Block cool Bali should be open for business. I'd love
to see a good team steal Denny Avia. I know we just signedn extension,
but poison pill. If you're not in the luxury tax anymore, working
around the poison pill isn't as difficult via trade. But anyone not name Blockqule
Bali is like not going to be bolted down at this point. So Charlotte
and Washington and that's it. In the East where it's like, I mean,
Miami's a wildcard to me where they won't sell. But I could just
picture them doing nothing. I could also just picture them doing something huge,
like we've all been waiting on if the right name becomes available there. And
then in the West, I would skew towards San Antonio is gonna continue to
play a conservative and they're more likely to look at what can we take on
some additional money if we're gonna trade Doug McDermott or Jedti Osmond's expiring contract or
those just buyout candidate guys. I mean, even if they go out and
get a flour generals, it's sort of like a young second or third draft
guy rather than investing assets in a tie show, so they're gonna be sellers
or just Stan Patters. I think Portland maybe they're wildcard in the sense,
would they consider moving Matis Stible, Would they consider moving Anthony Simons? Will
they move Jeremy Grant? But it's pretty clearly they're in a stage in their
development where it's, yeah, they're gonna entertain offers. They're not going out
there where I'm talking about the Jazz, who I would use a wildcard,
or even the Grizzlies where they're not gonna do These are teams that are probably
not gonna make any noise in the playoffs with the player or whatever. But
they are still in Utah, and Memphis could say, well, we like
these players long term and they're gonna help us a lot. Now we're gonna
go get them just because we have the assets to do it. Portland's not
that team, that buying type team. So San Antonio, Portland, Washington,
Charlotte. The end did like, I don't know what the fuck to
expect from Detroit. They should be sellers, but I'm also not super impressed
with what they have to sell off. Maybe another team wants to take a
flyer on James Wiseman. There was I can't remember it was an OKC fan
in our mentioned or no, it was a Memphis fan. I really want
to take a flyer on James Wiseman in the YouTube comments and said like,
what if we gave up a first? Please don't give up a first for
James Wiseman. That was I appreciate the optimism and the faith in him,
but damn. So there are four teams that I think you look at and
say, well, we know kind of the general idea of what they're going
to do, and even Portland might just be a stretch there because they have
I would say no fewer than three players that other good teams would really want
every Signmon' is just one of the most under players. Think even when you
look at his contract, Oh he's the cacambo guard who's really only this pure
score. Okay, no shit, He's making under twenty percent of the salary
cap or whatever it is, and he can shoot the lights out, and
I think his passing has gotten better over the past couple of years. That's
a player that that teams the human fit on a lot of teams, you
mentually have an Orlando What do Orlando look like with Anthony Simon's Uh, they
have Jeremy Grant, they have Laties Tible. Those are just some of the
names that have that have circled. I cannot wait to go through the next
month. And to me, it's it's less about the rumors that we hear
and more and this is always the case, but it's more about what actually
happens, because there could be a huge discrepancy between what teams are doing and
what they reported to do. And Toronto would be a perfect example, and
we saw it last year. Where are they gonna sell? No, they
bought, And there could just be more instances of that or the flip side
of well, more teams than normal could be convinced to sell. I'm looking
at the Warriors just kind of short circuiting their dynasty error aging out. I'm
looking at the that's not really a great team. I'm looking at the so
the Warriors of surprise sellers. Maybe maybe that's the Hawks. I guess that
we already know that they're sellers. But could we see the nets? The
nets for sure are gonna be up there. Uh. And none of this
to say a thing. Some people like, well, what about Cleveland and
Donvan Mitchell. That's just I can't picture that happening this season, and I
just wouldn't do it if I was Cleveland either, quite frankly, but when
you have teams that might be convinced who part with players they otherwise wouldn't because
the market just dictates, like, all right, well that's the way it
crumbles. It also just went shoping we see more young players kind of moved
in advance of their next contracts, where it's no, you keep these guys,
so they signed their next contract, you figure it out after that.
Josh Giddy, Jalen Green, none of those are dudes that would shock me
if they just got moved to the deadline. I guess Giddy a little bit
because it's because it's Oklahoma City, and so this trade deadline has the chance
to be one of the more interesting ones that we've seen. Even if I
would say, right now, based on the realistic names that are available,
Pascal Siakam is the best player that could get moved. Let's say he doesn't
get moved. Let's say Zach Kelvine doesn't get moved. Let's also say de
Jontay Maury and Larry Market and don't get moved, and let's say Michel Bridges
stays put. Just me mentioning those names is probably gonna disappoint people. There's
still gonna be a ton of movement. There's still gonna be a lot of
unforeseen moves. There's still gonna be teams going for it that we didn't expect
to go for it. Even I it's not with this season in mind,
which is where maybe a Memphis comes in. It could shit could be where
the Lakers or the Warriors come in at this point. It's certainly where the
Jazz would come in there and get maybe the Spurs just back their way into
this. And so I would just caution anyone one the rumor stuff is just
please try and keep in mind like where the information might be coming from.
And if you're not seeing people on the regular report and they're all of a
sudden reporting now, like I under if you want to dunk on them,
quote, tweet them, or make screenshot and make fun of it, I
totally get it, but you don't need to read into it. Just because
we're so desperate for slot this time of year. I would just brace for
chaos and the unexpected is all that's not like super sourced information. I would
call it an educated guess, and maybe I'll be wrong, because I'm wrong
all the time, and I'll come on in a minute, but this is
going to be a wild, wacky, potentially bonkers deadline, which is fun.
I know some people don't like the transaction side of this game, but
it is part of this league and it's a huge driver when it's engagement and
fan interest. Does that speak to the league's value of educating fans enough to
where they're interested in the basketball being played. I would argue that we're at
a point where, yes, some of the mainstream stuff is annoying and tired,
but platforms are often given to the loudest people, and they're going to
have some of the biggest platforms, which is just why they're so loud in
the first place, because they're right in front of your face. I think
that there actually is a pretty good balance when you're looking at the educated basketball
fan on social media who cares about the x's and o's and really wants to
get into the nitty gritty of the the forty five angle cuts and things of
that nature. But we are in the transaction part of the season, and
so even if you're want even if you're inclined to make fun of people who
care about the trade stuff, and I try to care about everything. I
will say some of my favorite analysis and podcasts to do. I think I
have mentioned this before. It's not so much I like reacting to rumors is
fine. I love trying to fit pieces together after we know that they're together,
where it's out, does og fit on the knicks or quickly on the
raptors after those trades go down. That's some of my favorite analysis to do.
I like trades. I like trade rumors. I'm not sorry. I
also like watching basketball, believe it or not. I like also the stories
that go beyond the basketball, where things that are happening off the court.
Where was it, who was it? Kelly olynnok or who is it?
From the Jazz Just recently they rescued a dog or something. There was that
fun story from Andy Larson. So this is a wild time of year.
Proceeded with caution. But my advice is a cliche, is that embrace for
what you're not prepared to embrace, whether it's a team traveling in a certain
direction or just players that I haven't even named, Like I think people aren't
mentioning Mchael Bridges only in sort of these off handic comments. I'm thinking even
outside that box where it's just name the player, it's yes there, there
are maybe like ten to fifteen actually untouchable, way more than that who are
uber likely to be moved. But like I'll use the Nix as an example,
I wouldn't predict it. Julius Rando could be trade like that is something
that could actually happen. I wouldn't predict it mid season just based off the
way he's playing. How much they do need a shock creation now following the
a manual quickly trade. But you also don't know who's coming back in that
perspective type of deal or what they're planning on doing, as if they're step
laddering their way to something different. But that's all I have on the trade
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But now listen to me and Grant just ramble on and on about a
bunch of fun shit. We're onto stat padding this week. We're gonna punt
on guess a player for this week. We will have it back next week,
but we need to get it's wait my time pretty early for me though,
still, but like we need to get granted standing. And it's been
basically two hours over two hours when you consider our our pre production meeting.
Yeah, you don't like to over use the word hero but I think we
probably not all heroes were capes, but Grant is wearing one right now,
so some of them still do. That's right. What do you have for
me with with Staffe? You want to talk about some twenty five point quarters?
How about that? I don't know what prompted this, but we're gonna
go with it here. So, uh, Dan, the topic is twenty
five point quarters this season? I think, Oh yeah, okay, tell
me who among these players has had a twenty five point quarter this year?
Joel Embiid, Jason Tatum, Pascal Siakam or Anthony Simons. All right,
so Joel Embiid, Pascal Siakam, Anthony Simons, and Jason Tatum Joel Embiid,
correct. And by the way, what I will what I will also
inform you of is that every single player I mentioned has that has had at
least a twenty point quarter. So these are all, like you'll probably remember,
some of them at some point from the course of the year. Okay,
you're one for one who's had the twenty five point quarter this season?
Luka, Doncic, Daron Fox, Keegan Murray, LaMelo Ball. Oh my
god, uh Keegan Murray. That's right, he had a thirty point quarter.
I think he was like eight of eight from three or something. This
is the game he set the right I don't remember that. I don't know
you're because you're East Coast bias. Probably uh if the game was probably podcasting
at the time. Yeah, well there's a good chance that's true. All
right, let's see, I'm trying to how about this one, Uh,
Tyr's Halliburton, de Jontay Murray, Karris Lavert or Trey Young, who's had
a twenty five point quarter this season. I would appreciate it if you would
refer to him as future New York Nick de Jontay Murray from now on.
Now I will is that your guests. No, I already forgot the name
Jeante Murray, Trey Young, Karris Lavert, Tyres Haliburton. I'm just gonna
I feel like this is wrong, but I'm just gonna say Tyr's Haliburt You're
so right, Tam. And not only does he have he's the only guy
with two twenty five point quarters on the season. Tyr's got a twenty five
and a twenty six. Let's see last one who's had a twenty five point
quarter this season? Alprin Shangoon, Donovan Mitchell, McHale Bridges, or I
have a Robinson here who I can't remember. I think it's Duncan Robinson.
It's not gonna be Duncan Robinson. I'm gonna say it's not Duncan Robinson.
So Donovan Mitchell, Alprin, Shangouon, McHale Bridges or Robinson Robins, Adamy,
Duncan Mitchell Robinson. I doubt it twenty rebounds. Maybe I'm gonna say
Donovan Mitchell incorrect, Michal Bridges had a twenty six point quarter this season?
All right? I want to be that's You're such an afterthought for me right
now. Just maybe one of the teams I watched the least in the league.
Sorry, sorry nets fans, just not that interesting this year. Okay,
how about this? This is prompted by Tyrys Haliburton, who we mentioned
a minute ago. He's had a couple of twenty twenty games recently twenty points
twenty assists. Naturally, he's had two of them this year, so forget
the points. If he has one more twenty assist game, he will be
in rare territory with seven others who've had three twenty assist games in a season.
Okay, only seven guys have ever had three or more twenty assist games
in a season. I'm gonna give you four names. You got to tell
me who's had at least three twenty assist games in a season. Are there?
You gonna see how many I could get off? Rip Ooh, would
you like to do that? I'll do it all right, I'll give you
strikes. You've got it. You've got seven guys that have done it,
three twenty assist games in a single season. Chris Paul incorrect, Fuck,
he's had two. Uh, John Stockton correct, He's got like several of
them. One of he leads he's all time number one because he's had ten
in a season. That's the most anyone's ever had. You're like, I'll
save this one because I think it's wrong and I don't want two strikes right
now. Mark Jackson, no strike two my life there's like a couple there's
only one more that I would say is obvious, and then there's a couple
that are like borderline and like two or three you just are not going to
get James Harden, No, he's only ever had two. There's my three
strikes. So Magic Johnson was the other, like the one I would put
in there with Stockton as obvious. Let's see Isaiah Thomas has had three.
Uh, and then after that it's like tiny Archibald Russell Westbrook actually had three.
I should have got that. Yeah, Kevin Porter, not not Kevin
Porter junior, other Kevin Porter from like the late seventies has had a few.
Uh. And Gary Grant, who I could not pick out of a
lineup, but I vaguely remember that name. But yeah, that's it.
Pretty good. You got stocked in. You needed to get stocked in or
else we would have had to cancel the podcast. I think. So I
went one of seven. I should I wanted to guess Agie Johnson, but
I was like, after missing on a previous era like guy with Mark Jackson,
I was like, I don't Mark Jackson was a good guess. Well,
now I'm thinking about it, like the game was played so slow,
probably when he was at his peak, that that rule doesn't make that it's
hard to like, yeah, it's hard to remember the paces of different eras
because he always like the sixties were super fast, and then the eighties were
fast, and then kind of like the odd numbered decades were not, and
then since two thousand it's like been both ultra slow and then really fast lately.
Let's see, how about this? This is a This is inspired by
trivia question from Rubik Scal based on SGA recently logging his one hundredth career thirty
point game that was on December twenty ninth, which put him in a tie
for the lead this season for the most thirty point games in the league with
twenty three. Luka Doncic, I don't think I'm yeah, I'm not stepping
on any of these questions. Luka Doncic just tied with him coming into tonight.
So I'm gonna ask you, Dan, who has more thirty point games
this season? Joel Embiid or Trey Young Joel Embiid that's correct, twenty one
to fifteen? Who has more? Dan Kevin Durant or Jannis Kevin Durant incorrect?
Giannis has twenty, Durant has fourteen. Who has more thirty point games
this year? Dearon Fox or Steph Curry Taron Fox. Curry's got him by
one, fourteen to thirteen. Last one who has more thirty point games Tyrese
Maxey or Jalen Brunson. Uh, Tyre's Maxy Maxi is correct ten to nine.
I picked close ones here, and these will all be just dead stales
that you'll never be able to cut them up and use them. Because I'm
sure he's one of these guys. Went for thirty tonight. Wow. Yeah,
the stuff in the mid season is kind of tough. I'm still not
happy that no one appreciated my unassisted dunks because I had to calculate the number
of unassisted dunks by looking at how many assisted dunks they had. Oh,
I'm mad. That's a lot of work. I have one more that doesn't
have anything to do with assists or points or anything of that nature. So
I think this. If I don't, I'm not gonna say it's in your
wheelhouse, but based on the way that we've had to cover the league for
like the last ten plus years, it's stuff that you probably know. So
Dan, This is about money. Who's got the bigger salary this year in
twenty three twenty four? Gotta hate you, Kyrie Irving or Ben Simmons.
Who's making more money? Ben Simmons? No, No, you're right,
you're right, you're right. Right, let's say no, thirty seven point
nine million to thirty seven million, so all these are going to be pretty
close. Who's making more money this year? Dan? Mike Conley or Jalen
Brunson Mike Conley No, Jalen Brunson twenty six point three, Conley twenty four
point four. Who's mean trade for Conley? Why didn't they just keep it?
Uh? Yeah, right, Reroute And we talked about that, right,
why it's like he just would be I think it was the only reason
I come up with is they were planning on using cap space and then they
didn't use cap space, and so that makes it look even worse. Who's
making more money? Gordon Hayward or DeMar Derozen Mr. Hayward correct thirty one
point five to twenty eight point six million. Would it help you if I
told you one of the player's salaries so you had like an anchor to go?
No, I like going into this blind? All right? Who's making
more money this year? Brook Lopez or Miles Turner brook Lopez correct twenty five
to twenty point nine? Who's making more money? Dan Jonas Valentiunas or Wendell
Carter Junior Jonas Valentinis wee Carter Junior is like paying the magic to play for
Carter Junior. I keep trying to put him in every Fike trade because he's
making thirteen point one this year is fifteen point four? All right? Last
one, Dan, Who's making more money in twenty twenty three, twenty four?
James Wiseman or Daniel Gafford James Wiseman. No, it is Daniel Gafford
twelve point four million to James Wiseman's twelve point two. Wiseman, It's still
going to trade for Daniel Gafford, right, I think you'd think, although,
like if you can get Wendell Carter for thirteen point one, I'm not
sure why you wouldn't offer more for him. Uh. That's it. That's
all my Uh, all my staff padding that we're gonna do. Well.
That was fun, I think anyway. So let's do man. I have
a I have I guess a bunch, but they're all quick. This one
is just completely random. Which NBA player has the most TikTok followers Joannis Attatakoumpo,
Steph Curry, Kyle Kuzma or Trey Young. I'm gonna guess Kyle Kuzma
seems like you'd hear about that. He is incorrect in a big way.
He has about five hundred and fifty eight thousand, and that's in last place.
Staph is in the lead at six point six million. Okay, so
that was clubbed like ten x off. That's all. You're only like six
million Kuzman in there. That's such a red herring. Is like he seems
like he would care about TikTok, he would get Yeah, That's why I
figured it would be a good one. John Morant was initially in there,
but I think he deleted his TikTok or it never existed, and whatever I
was reading lied to me. So this is an extension of what we did
last week when we guessed the will Chamberlain I gave you will. Chamberlin owns
the NBA record for sixty five consecutive games of scoring at least thirty points.
Who has the second longest streak. You got it wrong, of course,
obviously, But which of these NBA players has the longest streak of consecutive thirty
point games? Steph Curry, Luka, Doncic, Kevin Durant or Michael Jordan?
Is that? Just? Can they all be correct somehow? I'm gonna
say Kevin Durant because it seems like he had a really long streak recently that
I remember for some reason. That is correct. His longest streak is twelve,
Steph, Luca, and MG all topped out at eleven. Okay,
so it was almost it almost was the case that they were all the correct
answer. Yeah, which of these NBA players has the longest streak of consecutive
thirty point games? Lebron, James Kawhi, Leonard, Tracy McGrady or Shaquille
O'Neill. I have to say Tracy McGrady because, uh, I'm just obligated
to pick my favorite guy. You're correct, and I kind of hate that
you got it right. McGrady had fourteen, Lebron second with twelve, Shaq
eleven, Kawhi with nine. How did Shaq not have like fifty thirty straight
thirty point games? I just to I guess make your fall and then the
era too. Yeah, Kobe passed the ball. Uh. Which of these
NBA players has the longest streak of consecutive thirty point games, Joannis Attentakumpo,
Larry Byrd, Alan Iverson or Damian Lillard. Hmm, I think I'm gonna
go with Iverson. Good. That is incorrect. Allen Iverson had eight,
Larry Bird is in the lead with nine. Wow, and Damian Lillard and
Jannis each had eight as well. Does all seem low? It doesn't it
seem low for all of them. You'd think it seems incredibly low. Actually,
but I guess. I guess scoring thirty points in a row that is
hard. Here's nice little change of pace here. Which NBA player? This
is so? By the way, I'm only asking me so I can continue
to work in my home alone. Clip on the short that no one seems
to like as much as I do. Hey, I'm right here, I
love it. Okay, good? Which NBA player has never had a fifty
point ten assist game. Steph Curry, Luka, Doncic, Joel Embiid or
Nicole Jokic. I'm gonna say Jokic. I don't think he's had the fifty
ten. That is incorrect. Joel Embiid, Jokic has one ten game,
Steph had one, Luca had two. I would have thought Embiid had it
for sure. Tough for oh he did. NBA, which NBA player has
never had a fifty point tennisist game. Kareem abdul Jabbar, Kevin Durant,
Lebron James or Michael Jordan. Hmm, I'm gonna go with Michael Jordan,
but I have no sense of this one. That is incorrect. Michael Jordan
had one, Kareem had one, Lebron has two. Kevin Durant has zero,
zero pass the ball, KDI which NBA player has never had a fifty
point tennisist game. Kyrie Irving, Donovan Mitchell, Russell Westbrook or Trey Young.
Oh man, I'm gonna say Kyrie that is correct. Yes, Trey
and Donovan Mitchell each had one, if you care, and Russell Westbrook had
three. I included him because I figured you'd be able to know that he
had at least one. Yeah, I was pretty confident not not picking him.
So this one's gonna be a little different. I'm gonna force you because
now I can't even if I have the time to cut up the one where
you gave me seven players of the guesses, oh about one, and it
was so short that it's just not going to make a good short. It
was too short for shorts. How's that do? So I'm gonna give you
an option of this is all NBA themed with active players. Do you want
to do specifically all NBA first team selections or all NBA in general selections?
Hmmm, let's do first team? Okay, let me bring up the proper
one. This is okay, so Grant, eight active NBA players have made
at least four first team All NBA squads. How many of them can you
guess? I will give you three strikes? Okay? So Lebron that is
correct, Durant that is also correct. Four first teams? You said four
first teams? Uh, Steph correct, that's three? Giannis correct, that's
four. Now the question is the stupid center spot? Does yo? I'm
gonna say yo. Kicch, I feel like that might be a strike.
That is strike one has made three first team, then I will not say
embeid. How about Kawhi? That is incorrect, he's made three? I
got two strikes I only got three guys or four guys, So if you
got half of it on two strikes, Chris Paul, that is correct.
He's got four on the button. See, I agree more, I gotta
be forgetting a wing somewhere there's somewhat obvious. You're forgetting someone obvious. So
I've said Steph Lebron, Katie Giannis and Paul, and yet there is someone
obvious that I'm missing. Arguably there's like two obvious ones, maybe three that
obvious. I want to look at. I want to look at, like
just a list of players right now, just to prompt myself. Four all
NBA first? Oh uh, James Harden correct, six of eight? That
was my last really clear guess act all right, Russ, No, that
is incorrect. Russ has only two. The final two were Luka Doncic with
four and Anthony Davis with four. Oh man, okay, I should have
Yeah, six of eight. That's impressive. Round of everyone who's listening,
round of applause for Grant, tag him and Discord shouting out in the comments
section, he's our hero. Should have got Luca because didn't he make it
like his third second year or something. Yeah, But I mean like that's
tough because his career is only what's six years old or whatever? It is
five years old, So I get why I thought you definitely should have gotten
Hardened. The Davis and Luca Ones, I think we're actually the tough,
So kudos to you. Yeah, the center thing. So I wonder if
all is just so far removed from his last one that I wouldn't have faulted
you if you didn't get him. He hasn't been selected in all NBA first
teams in twenty fourteen, so who has it? Chris Paul? So I
would have not faulted you if you didn't get him. How many did Hardin
have? Maybe? Sorry if you said it is six? Okay, you
know Lebron has more than double Kevin Durant and James James Harden and Kevin Durant
have made twelve All NBA First team combined. Lebron is thirteen All NBA First
Team. Well, he's gonna crazy, He's gonna. I think he's gonna,
assuming he starts, it'll be like nineteen or twenty All Star Games starts
or something like that, which is which I think is the record. That's
just like unthinkable. So this is my last. I think this is Oh
no, this is not my last. Let me this one is so off
beat. Now let me do the off So this we're gonna do something different.
We've never tried this before. Grant, I'm excited. We're gonna guess
which NBA player said that. Okay, talent can only get you so far.
It's about the drive and how insane you are about wanting to be great
and I have a little insanity. Did Kobe Bryant say it? Lebron James?
But who said that? Kobe Bryant, Lebron James, Michael Jordan,
or Kawhi Leonard. So before you even finished it, Kobe popped into my
mind. So I'm gonna say, Kobe Bryant, that is incorrect. It
was Lebron James. He said I have a little bit of insanity. That's
such a Kobe thing to say. Okay, I know that's unfortunate for you.
That's why it's a good question which NBA player said this. To be
honest, I would put myself in the same category as d Wade, Anthony
Edwards, Monte Ellis, Ricky Davis, or Donovan Mitchell. That is a
monte Ellis quote. I figured you know that one nice job. That is
hilarious one I can I can see the video of him saying that in my
mind right now. Okay, which the NBA player said this about Scottie Pippen.
I'm the bridge, he's the water, he will always be under me.
Kobe Bryant, Michael Jordan, Shaquille O'Neal or Gary Payton. Ooh,
so I want to say Michael Jordan just because that seems like something he'd say.
But Gary Payton as the last one, really got to me, so
I'm gonna say Gary Payton. Both of those are incorrect. It was Shaquille.
What's Shack got against Scotty Pippen? They never come on. Let's be
honest. Though all the players just listed, Shaq is absolutely the wordsmith necessary
to say. I'm the bridge, he's the water, he will always be
under me. I don't. I have to confess, I don't totally understand
what that comparison means. I'm really more am intrigued. Like what they never
played together? Right? They never overlapped. I guess like maybe the Portland
Lakers series a couple of times was where they where they met that I'm assuming
he was referring to like maybe the top seventy five rankings. Oh interesting,
I big double check to make sure these were real quotes, by the way,
if you can. So now we just need someone in discord to give
me the context, like what is the reason for Shack being the bridge over
Scottie Pippins's water. That's such a weird metaphor. This is my favorite one
which NBA player said the following about load management. Let me die out there.
Jimmy Butler, Kevin Durant, Chris Paul or Jason Tatum. Oh,
there's so many good candidates there, Dan Uh, Jimmy Butler is too obvious
because we have almost seen him die out there more than once in the playoffs.
I have to go first instinct, which will be wrong, and I'm
gonna say Jimmy Butler that is incorrect. It was Kevin Durant. That's a
wild thing to say Kevin Durant, although like the Sun's kind of treated him
that way to start this season, so I think I believe it was in
reference to when Steve Nash was playing him forty nine minutes a game, or
it was Yeah, that's it. Kat has had some stretches like that in
his career where it's just like leave the man alone. He's just for too
long, especially this year when he's you know whatever. What is KTY thirty
five? I think he's thirty five, but it was thirty four. His
jersey number is thirty five. That is true. I do know that.
Had you give me Oh no, he is thirty five. He turned thirty
five, except that. Look, me and KD are both in RKD or
in your primes. You and KD have a similar approach to work life balance.
It sounds like let me die out there, let me die out there
when it worked till I can't. All right, So I have three more.
These aren't the quote one? Did you like the quote ones? That's
not what you like that? Yeah? Okay, listeners, comments, discord,
let us know if you enjoyed the quote ones as well. You can
also submit those if you don't want to do. Guests a player okay,
Three active NBA players have won both at least one scoring and one assist title.
Who are they? I will give you three strikes to guess these three
players scoring title and assist title at least one of each. Harden correct,
Westbrook correct two for two Trey Young incorrect strike one. Oh, I know
he led in total points and assists at least once. Harden and Westbrook were
the easy ones. I gotta be missing somebody else for school. Did Lebron
do it? Lebron did it? You got it? Ding ding ding.
He snuck in that assist title like fairly recently, right with twenty twenty.
He won a scoring title in two thousand and eight. James Harden won scoring
titles in twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen, twenty twenty, assist titles in twenty
seventeen, and then last season. Russ won scoring titles in twenty fifteen and
seventeen, assist titles in twenty eighteen, nineteen and twenty twenty one. Man
Russ put up some numbers. I'm not sure if we talk about that enough
had a lot of counting stats. That guy. These two are they might
be my favorite ones other than I don't know. I kind of like the
quote idea, but these are way more off the rails. Okay, uh,
life on the line. Would you rather bet on Luka Doncic winning two
MVP awards or Victor webin Yama winning four Defensive Player of the Year awards?
I that's a you got boy. The numbers are just right for that.
What was the record? By the way, Well, Gobert is gonna win
his fourth this year, so he's gonna tie it with Dwight Howard and Ben
Wallace. I wish I knew the answer to that. I'll double check.
So I'm gonna say Luca winning two m vps is more likely than Wembyama winning
four d p O wise just man, But like, if Luca's not gonna
win it this year, yeah, I'll go with that. I think I
think I've said enough Outlanda's shit about Wimby, Like I don't need I don't
need to add to it. I I might go with Wenby winning four,
just because when you look at what Luca is gonna be up against. Yeah,
it's just like we've already kind of seen we're not He's not, you
know, contending with Steph and Kevin Durant and Lebron Right now, it's it's
Shay, Yes, it's Jokic, it's Embiid. Those guys aren't going anywhere
if Tatum ever levels up, and then you're gonna I'm assuming some of these
younger guys. I mean Victor Weman. Yeah, was gonna be discussion at
some point. Yeah, I mean, yeah, he's in like he's a
weird like he's still so young, but he is in that like Bridge generation.
That's I mean, Anthony Edwards is gonna maybe be heard from, Like
there's Halliburton. There's a bunch of guys that are gonna be right there with
him. Yeah, but four, I was gonna go three, but I
was like, I feel like that was too easy. I would have picked
up. Yeah, four was the right number, but probably because like that
just doesn't happen. Two MVPs happens all the time, it seems like anymore.
Did you look up who else has won for Yeah, it was Ben
Wallace? You recret So it's gonna be Rudy Gobert probably Ben Wallace and Dwight
Howard. Amazing final stat padding question, Your life is on the line.
You have to bet on one of these players making at least one All Star
Game before they retire. Who are you taking? RJ Barrett, Josh Giddy,
Jalen Green or Tyler Hero. Oh man, I'm gonna bet on the
guy who I think is currently the worst player of that group, ironically,
which is Jalen Green. So you gave me Barrett Green Hero, who's the
fourth giddy Giddy Yeah, Getty, he's not gonna make an all straight Yeah.
I think it's Green just because for the same reason, like I still
sort of understand why he was picked where he was. It's just like the
athletic upside is ridiculous, and he might, like if he averaged like twenty
eight a game, you know, in a couple of years, like it
wouldn't blow me away. I don't know if that means he's gonna be like
an objectively helped, full good player, but like he seems like he seems
like he has more of an all star ceiling than those guys. Would you
pick him or would you pick someone else? I might go with Hero just
because I've lost a lot of faith in Jalen Green and he Hero currently plays
for Miami and just can you rule out a scenario in which Bam is injured
for an extended period of time or Jimmy Butler is one season and Hero just
averages thirty points per game and five assists and like just gets in by way
of that one, Like if Jimmy Butler were to die out there on the
floor and Teller Hero just just has to take over for the full season.
Sure I could see it. Yeah, I don't know. That's like those
are those guys are all like the safe bet would be against all of them.
Ever being Jordan Poole got to mod it out of this discussion because you
normally would have been tied into it. It's just like, Nope, that
wasn't That wasn't going to cause you to think enough, we got to revisit
our like constant discussion of like Pool Maxie Simon's Hero since those are like,
those are the four guys kind of in there too for us. Oh,
it's always this is the little guards and they all got their extensions or actually
not Maxi hasn't yet, ironically, since he's the best one of that group.
Yeah, maybe we should do like a yearly check up on like what
the hierarchy of the pool Maxi Hero Simons that just every year we have an
annual tradition of which what's the what's the power rankings of those four guys.
For some reason, I always think of together. Yeah, that'd be good.
And by the way, you said staff padding wasn't going to take too
long, and it proceeded to take like thirty something minutes. So that's like
a bonus. I should split this episode up. I won't because it'll be
out their episode of the week. But you could put we could put guests,
and we could cram guests the players into it and at some point and
just make it its own thing. We did that once before once or I
don't really know what the problem is is when I put it, I feel
like our audio version of that does fine, But when we do it like
put on YouTube, I don't know how to hook it. So I mean,
if you want to do some guest of players, I'll hook it as
which NBA players made more all NBA teams or something. Well, I only
have one guests a player. I think I think we should probably call it
before my back falls completely apart right now. If I decided to cut this
up separately, you're all welcome for that nice little thirty minute Yeah, stat
padding bonus. I think that's gonna do it. Though everybody who has listened,
watched, rated, reviewed, subscribed, thumbs up, followed, told
friends, told enemies, thank you for those of you that have not done
that, never speak to us again. Should we just get aggressive in the
in the thank yous, and just really just draw a line in this else
probably not, probably not. If you haven't done those things, please do
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which I understand there might be some new stuff coming. Maybe should I
talk about that carpet? The hardwood Knox carpeting will come to a retailer near
you soon, except it except it won't. I have no idea how much
it costs. It was a gift. If you have space though in your
office granty with like a Hardwoodknox carpet, maybe we could, maybe we could
hook you up well, so when you showed anyway, we could talk about
it. Should we could keep talking about the carpet or should I? Should
I finish it? I thought it was a banner when you when you sent
me the photo of it, and then you said something about a carpet,
and I was like, well, that doesn't make sense. You don't roll
around your chair on a banner. That's dumb. I thought it was going
to be behind you, the big hardwood Knox thing with the with the astronaut
on it. No, there's like no place to put it that would cover
up. But people in it was funny, you said, would you say
that was? I think the the stickers you ordered are too big. When
I you' like, what is it like five by six or something or five
by seven? I have no idea what it was. People in Discord loved
it, which people in Discord seem to love my like setup in my office,
which is a nice change of because so many people think I'm like broadcasting
from a closet and are making fun of it. It was like, I
get their shoes set up behind me, but like, does this look like
a closet, Like look at Yeah, I'm just in a corner of my
office. It's mine looks more like a closet than yours. I just have
a window, so it's definitely not a closet. Well that's true. Yeah,
the window does get in the shot sometimes pretty professional by me. Yeah,
I don't have a Saint Patrick's date Danila Gallinari Jersey behind me, so
you automatically win or team at Jersey, which you should is like the you
know, team at Guy, I probably should. I have to find something
suggestions, Hey, Discord, give me some freshened up suggestions, because these
Warriors Championship hats and my dream on bobblehead and some books are I gotta.
I want to do the lighting. I actually have right next to me lighting
to do, like the have you ever watched like the YouTubers and they kind
of have like the glow lighting and it's a little bit darker behind them.
That's the other thing that my wife has just yet to do for me is
like she needs to set up my lighting better. And she's supposed to be
working on new designs for us. Well, if she figures out the lighting,
let me know, because I got some of those We're gonna use some
of those led strips for Christmas lights and then it looked too shitty and we
use actual lights instead. So got those laying around just ready for podcast studio
improvements. That's the goal for twenty twenty four is to have the new designs
up soon and for Grant and I to brighten up. Are not brighten up,
but color it up really? Yeah, add some pizazz. Yeah.
I think that's right. I think I said everything I'm supposed to say,
except for As always, We're going to close with the shout out to the
one and only Frank Milakina and an apology to Jared Allen