Hi everyone. This is Christina and this is MJ. And this is a
Spooky Tells, the podcast for all things spooky and true crime. Sorry you
might hear my children in the background. Today, there is no Carmen.
She is packing at the last minute for some trip she has and so yeah,
she has no time to record. Oh, this is the first episode
where you're doing Iguascalientes, yes, yeah, or not the first episode where
you're doing Mexican States. That's what I meant to say. Yes, you
kind of covered already sacatecas So and Haliscope, but yesterday's I Was Calientes Part
one? Yes, part one because there's a lot of legends apparently, yes,
yes, And I'm going to be covering a true crime case from I
Was Calientes. It's very recent, so there's like not a lot of information
on it. So yeah. Before all that, a listener story And if
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through there every day. That's very exciting. Thank you so much. What
else you can call it a spooky hotline. There is still like three messages
on there that I have to play. I just never have my phone when
i'm recording because I give it to my children so they can leave me alone
like a great parent. We all do it. Yeah, you know it's
fine and two days story here it goes. Hi, ladies, love the
podcast. You do such a great job. It's like sitting around a bonfire
having drinks with your friends while sharing scary stories. And thank you. That
was the vibe. We want it right, yes, okay. So my
story starts with a phone call about fifteen years ago. I was on the
phone with my dad telling him about a new job I just got. We
live in different states. I was in my apartment and he was in the
house he was renting. As we are, all of a sudden, this
deep, slow, raspy voice comes on the line and says my name,
Gabriela. I tried to use that voice. Oh A shudder ran through my
body and I threw the phone on the bed. Even now I get chills.
I thought, what the fuck was that. My heart was racing.
Let me say that my family never calls me by my full name. They
always call me Gabby. Only strangers use my full name. As I stared
on the phone, I started to wonder if my dad had a heart attack
and that's why his voice sounded weird. But I knew that was not my
dad. I slowly picked up the phone and called out for my dad.
He was still on the line and asked me if I had heard that.
Oh no, he heard it too. Ooh, oh God, this is
worse. I told him yes. He then proceeded to tell me how the
house where he was living was haunted. He worked graveyard at the time.
His wife would leave during the day to go to work, so he would
be alone in the house. He told me he would turn off lights in
his bedroom and close the curtains so he would get some sleep. The lights
were turned back on, making it impossible for him to get any rest.
Objects would move, and you could hear noises throughout the house. Unfortunately,
he was stuck in a one year lease and could not afford to break it.
Even worse, his wife refused to believe him and said that she never
experienced anything weird. Oh, this is like the other way around. All
the horror movies is always the guys like everything's fine. Everything's fine until until
they see their child like levitating in the bed and they're like, like,
oh shit, they were just jumping. They would probably find an excuse to
that. It's not that serious. Five monkeys in the bed, that's what
was happening. However, family friends stayed with my dad and they told me
they felt weird energy in the house. They saw faces in the patterns of
the tile in the kitchen. Ooh, I don't like that. No,
that's disgusting. This was without my dad saying anything to them because he didn't
want to scare them. Okay, So like they haven't talked to each other
about this, So that's worse because then, like there's no influencing each other's
stories either. Mm hmmm. Why is there always freaking faces in the tiles?
Right? Faces places that they shouldn't be exactly every single time. It
wasn't until after they were back home that they called my dad and asked him
if there was anything weird going on in the house. Then they exchanged stories
about their experiences and they encouraged my dad to get out as soon as he
could. As soon as his lease was up. He moved. To this
day, he avoids the area to this day, he avoids the area where
the house is located. He is currently very happy in his new home and
has not experienced any other paranormal activities. That's good. Yeah, that's great.
Good for him. Not good for the next tenants though, No,
no, not at all. That's my spooky story with a happy ending,
stay a spooky love it. Yes, love the happy end. No more
hauntings. That's always good. That's what we want, right mm hmm.
But like you said, yeah, I feel bad for the next tenants,
the next tenants and then the next tenants. Yeah, everyone else, everybody
else warn people like, hey, don't rent that house. Oh. I
would one hundred percent tell people like, uh, like I've I've lived like
pretty much by myself, like not about myself, but all my own since
I was seventeen, And I would tell like if I didn't like the place,
I'd be like, mmmm, the property owners or like assholes, don't
do it. I like I'm trying to save like people from like bad property
owners landlords and and and not just what is it? What is when they're
not landlords but they're a property management company? Oh yeah, yeah that's and
that's important works, So save them from that and from hauntings like oh that
landowner sucks and I span so don't go there. Yeah no. And then
like the the apartment I currently live in, there's been two deaths in the
past three years. Oh god, yeah, not good. And one of
them was not too long ago. And it's like my neighbor across the not
across the way, but like I guess it's kind of across the way.
I guess both of them were across the way. Both deaths. Why so
close to you? I don't know, but like both the deaths that are
like in my apartment are like very close to me. Like they're not neighbors
across the way, because my apartment complex is like weird layout, but it's
like they're the back to their apartment is facing my window, if that makes
sense. Oh too close either way. I don't like it. I don't
like it. How many people moved in and the death that happened like three
years ago. Yes, there's lieutenants and there's like new tenants every year.
Okay, okay, they haven't said anything or you don't talk to them.
I don't know if that one spooky I have not heard. I don't talk
to my neighbors. So I don't know. Yeah, I was gonna say,
it doesn't sound like something you would do. So the turn around rate
to I, Yeah, that's not a good sign. So I know,
I don't know. I don't know. Okay, Well, should we start
with the aust Glentes legends. Yes, do you want to go first?
Or no? You go first? I said, let's throw Aguascalientes legends.
Oh that's true, that's true. Okay. So this first story is called
El Camion de la alto Pista. A bus was traveling down a road in
the middle of the night when out of nowhere, a truck appeared in front
of it, going the opposite direction of traffic. The truck was driving without
its flights on, didn't give the bus driver enough time to react and move
out of the way. The two vehicles collided, killing the passengers on the
bus. This accident has then led to the legend that if you find yourself
on this highway which they don't specify which highway that's not good, in the
middle of the night around one am, you will see the apparitions of people
walking around, disoriented and lost. Locals who live near the area say that
they have seen the bus. Sometimes you're even able to board it. Oh
no, why would you want to? I don't know. The bus will
never reach the terminal, and if you board the bus, you must go
to the place of the accident, because if you don't, you will never
be seen again. Wow. Yeah, it doesn't say I tried looking up.
But this is a legend that's really common in a West Galiana. It
doesn't say which highway that's that's not good. What does it say what bus
numbers? No, it doesn't say anything. And then and the thing is
like, uh, there's like those crazy ass highways in Mexico that are like
freakin' bonkers. Have you seen that one where it changes lane lanes in Mexico?
No? And I'm like, dude, I would I would die like
that. What do you mean, like changes lanes? Like how? Oh
my god? Like, okay, so you start on off on the right
lane, and like, obviously there's on the left lane. I guess left
lane, but it's divided by the yellow line. But then because of the
way it curves, there comes a point in time when you have to switch.
Yes, and you have to switch so you don't veer off the mountain.
Oh my God that the speech you're going. So not only is it
dangerous going down, that's why you have to switch I guess lanes and go,
you know, so you don't like the momentum of the car doesn't like
fling you off around. But on top of that, like if you have
another car coming your way and you both have to like switch lanes, O
God and I have to find it. But I hope this makes sense like
when I'm explaining it, because it's really hard because it's just like you start
on off the right, but then you have to go to the left,
and then the car coming directly, you know, on the other the other
side of traffic starts off on the left and then has to switch over to
the right lane. Like it's just where and where is this? It's in
Mexico and I can't remember where. I feel like what are the listeners would
tell us, like I'm gonna look it up. But there's so many like
highways where it's crazy in Mexico because it is like very like some places are
really mountainous, yes, yeah, and with lack of funds and everything,
and you have yourself a accident prone, well that's why there's there's so many
places called blah blah blah la and all these gurbas. Yeah, because it's
like really mountainous terrains. And then they don't have funds to make a safe
highway, Like where are they gonna get some money? The people, you
know, oftentimes are very poor, and unfortunately in history, a lot of
the politicians would just steal money misuse the funds. Yeah, I would die
if I encountered this highway, which is why I was like, where is
it? I am glad I'm epileptic, Like I can't drive. You're a
passenger princess for life, and that's good. Yes, I'm a passenger princess
with life. Oh it's funny to make that a sticker with a little purple
ribbon for epilepsy. But yeah, there's a similar legend in Portoaiyarta. And
I believe the bus is like number forty, So this bus has a number,
but like supposedly the bus there was a big crash or an accident in
like the nineteen eighties or something like that on this bus, and like everyone
died. But now the bus is seen at night and then if you like
accidentally board the bus and you're on it, it'll be like normal. And
then suddenly like everyone looks dead, like all of a sudden inside the bus.
No, and then the driver turns and looks at you, and the
driver's like, you need to get out of the bus. Don't look behind
you. You need to get out and keep going. If you look behind
you as you're getting off the bus, you're gonna join us. See.
The good thing is, I'm like one of those people that are like,
do not like social interactions. And when I go anywhere, you're not gonna
look behind. I'm not gonna look behind. I barely even look forward,
okay behind, listen, I look down as I'm walking. Now, I'm
just kidding. I look at my phone. Okay, I'm looking at my
phone. I'm not like your phone zombie. The only time that being a
phone zombie will save your life. Seriously, this next story, if you,
if you have the notes, pop them up, because this does have
a picture, it will make sense. I'm looking at them right now,
at the pictures. Okay. And I don't know why, I don't understand
the context, so okay, okay. So this next story is called Cerro
del Morto and Croto is a mountain complex in the Sierra de Laurel in the
municipality of Hezu's Maria, and it's located two four hundred and forty meters above
sea level. It has a very peculiar shape. It looks like a person
laying down and the mountain peaks make the nose, mouth, feet, and
body. Oh oh. And in the image where it's bright and the mountains
are dark, I can see it. Sorry, you can't hear my child?
Yeah, yeah, and okay, So this is this mountain has a
legend. According to legend, a long ago, the Chichi mechas the Chalcas
and then now what luckaus that was hard word lived together and among them there
were these three tall and imposing priests. Each indigenous group had or you know,
had a priest that represented them like as a as a cult, as
a tribe. One day, one of these priests went into a hot spring,
and when he jumped into the pool, he disappeared. Those who had
joined the priests to the pool were in a panic and blamed the Chalcas.
War broke out between the tribes. During the war, the priest appeared during
one of the battles trying to stop the war. However, he was hit
by an arrow through the heart as he was trying to escape. His blood
painted the earth as he collapsed. His body buried the Chichi mechas and created
the mountain range, and the caves in the mountain are said to be his
entrails. What is entrails? Guts? Thank you, thank you, which
would kind of makes sense, like like what an artistic way of thinking that
the caves and stuff. Yeah, and so he is the mountain. He
is the one laying down. Yeah, he became the mountain. I love
stories where something became mountains. They're so fun to listen to. There's and
there's so many like you have that with the A and eats the I never
remember the full name of the other mountains. I think I want to say,
I like that it's something like that, but it's as much easier to
say and I'm sorry, yes, but I can see, like like in
that in that picture where it's like sunset, that really does look like a
nose. No, that straight up looks like a nose. The rest of
it, I'm like, I guess someone could make all those There's too many
bumps for the rest of the body for me, but the nose is very
like, Yeah, that's a nose. And then on the bottom one you
can see like the the like obviously where the where the nose is on the
the first picture, but like the feet where it kind of curves down kind
of looks like almost looks like a like a like a what is it called
the amntha? Yes, that is covered and draped over the body except for
the head. That's what it looks like to me. Yes, I don't
that's I love the artistic way that they thought of this, and that the
whole cave system was the entrails, was like, oh my god, like
I never would have thought of that, but like, yes, I see
it. Yeah, because it's like a system of connecting tubs like our makes
sense. Maybe that's the capillaries. But hopefully there's no well you know what
I mean. Yeah, yeah, there's no way to go that way where
I went through the booby hole, I was like, don't say it,
but but then I didn't say anything, So moving on. I can't take
shit seriously. Okay, This next story is called El Paso the Aguascallientes and
Beso oh okay said, oh no, the Kiss of Aguascalientes And this this
story is a story of a legendary kiss that changed Mexico forever. Well,
that does sound legendary. Hm. On May first, eighteen thirty five,
then President Antonio Lopeze Santana and three thousand men traveled to Seconcas to stop a
rebellion by Sacateca's governor Francisco Garcia Salinas. That night, he spent it in
Aguascalients at the home of Luisa Fernandez de Garcia Rojas and her husband Pedro Garcia
Rojas. At the time, Ajuasclentus was part of Sacatecas. Okay, I
was wondering. I was like, what does the governor of Sacatecas have to
do with this if they're in at wesclientus what I see? Yes, yes,
and the locals wanted to separate from the state. The people of Auasclentus
were excited for the visit of Santana, and Luisa and her husband would talk
about the struggles and the need for independence. They told Santana about the lack
of schools, jobs, and how the Sacateca's government kept part of the money
that belonged to Ajuascalentus. During that dinner, a servant went to don Pedro
with a matter that needed to be urgently addressed. Don Pedro left Luisa and
Santana, and Luisa continued to talk about, well, you know, the
freedom of Alascallientis and everything that they you know, the locals wanted, stating
to the president that people would go to the point of sacrifice to obtain it.
Sometime. I, hearing this, grabbed Louisa's hands and asked, really
until the sacrifice, Lisa replied, reassuring her point. Taken by her beauty
and words, he gave her a long, spontaneous kiss. Oh no,
while her husband was out of the house. Uh uh yeah, and I'm
like day one of meeting. Wow, wow, she was waiting. She
would have done that with anyone this Luisa an. Yeah, yeah, she
was what was it called, like that one show Desperate Housewives or whatever.
Yes, she was a desperate housewife. They stopped only when they heard the
footsteps of zon Pedro. When he entered the room, Louisa excitedly said to
him, I was Gallientees is free. On May twenty third, eighteen thirty
five, the Decree for the Freedom of a was Galliente was issued. Don
Pedro Garcia Rojas was appointed the first governor of the state. Oh, the
kiss has been immortalized in a mural in the governor's palace in Auascalientes and as
well as the state's coat of arms. So if I posted pictures in the
in my notes, and if you see it, there's a chain and lips
on the coat of arms. Yeah, and then the bottom is the mural
on the governor's palace. And I was Galientis and you could see Santana and
Lisa giving him a kiss. Wow. Okay, well she did it for
the state, So yeah, I'm okay with the honestly, go Luisa.
Her husband was too. That's how he became governor. Yeah, so everyone
was okay with this. This is good, This is good. It's a
legendary kiss. Yeah. Yeah. So this next story, our legend is
called Diablo, and this story takes place in the seventeenth century in auas garient
This. At the time there lived a marquise of Bualla Lupe, and he
was described as a strong man with strong character, wealthy but noble, and
kind to his workers, treated them with respect honestly, really really. Because
the marquise owned a lot of land, he had other people manage it for
him. One of those people was recent this and resend This was known as
a very agile, hard working man who knew his stuff. He worked hard,
but he also played hard. He was a party animal. Okay.
He was a womanizer and heavy drinker not okay, but also on brand entertainers
and women fought over him because he was a good tipper. Okay, that's
good. Yeah, yeah, that's good. At least he's not stingy.
He had money. The people didn't understand where his money came from, and
rumors began that he had sold his soul to the devil. Of course,
always the pact, according to legend, was coming to an end on December
twenty fourth, eighteen seventy, when the devil would come back and collect his
soul. When the devil came to collect dressing this his soul, he asked
for an extension, as he had to build a fence for the marquise.
The devil agreed, then made a bet. Was this okay? I love
when the devil makes a bet, and he loves making bets. He's like,
well, i'll bet you this, and then he loses. He's like
tricked. Yeah, all the time, every single time, and every and
every story. Yes, you think you'd know by now, Yeah, he
said, what is it called the what is it called something? For punishment?
Oh? Yeah, for punishment. He's like George Bush and he's like
for me once, shame on, you pull me twice, me pull me
three times? Like it? And I don't know? Okay. So the
devil agreed then made a bet with such ascend this that the devil would build
the fence, not a but in the devil to work way, it gets
better. However, this had to make a rooster crow before he finished.
So he had to make the rooster crow before he finished building the fence.
And if he achieved this, sid this could keep the fence and his soul
would also be free. What kind of deal is this? I have no
idea. Make better deals please, mm hmmm. It was bored. Apparently,
However, the devil began to move at lightning speed, and this was
then in a rush to find a crow, and just a crow, a
rooster to make crow, to make a crow, And just before the last
stone was placed on the fence, this managed to find a rooster, so
he plucked one of its feathers and made a crow. The devil lost the
bet. Just send this got his tradom and the fence never had its last
stove placed. It said that the fence is somewhere in Auascarantas and it's still
missing that one stone. Wow, okay, he barely won that bed though,
Like, wow, you know you could have make a bet like that
today because you would not find a rooster unless you're in specific places. But
like where I'm at, no one has roosters. Like I used to have
roosters then I moved to apartments. Yeah, I was gonna say, I
remember, like I hear them, but I'm like, where are they?
I don't know, so, but I would lose that bit I couldn't find
one. Oh no, like back then, like you, everybody had a
rooster. They had to. Yeah, it reminds me of It reminds me
of the episode of This Fool when he, uh, the guy has the
rooster and like the whole block is like super angry about the rooster. In
season two. Oh yeah, they do wake you up at the butt crack
of dog. It is. It is annoy. But I had that when
I was in high school and I was like, oh, all right,
bet I could use this alarm clock. You would have won that bed then
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we're back. And yes, this is going to be depressing. So some
people might have already come across this on TikTok. I think you and I
and I am J both saw this already when it happens. Yes, I
saw it on Twitter. Twitter. It was like a whole spread of LGBTQ
plus community members who have been attacked. And I think it was in like
like a span of a year or less. Wow. Okay, but it
was a lot. And I only remember two of them's this person and another
one. I feel like there was a whole list there probably was, Yeah,
and I guess I should say, but today we are talking about Jesus
ol Baena Souseo. But before I get into the well into it because of
what happened to them, I'm just going to share this little thing here.
Okay. So the Trance Lifeline designed for trance or gender nonconforming people is eight
seven seven five six five eight eight six zero. This lifeline provides resources to
help not only with suicide but also domestic violence situations. And then also there
is the Trevor Project lifeline. Okay, so here's the number if you want
to call. This one is one eight four eight eight eight seven three a
six. But then, like MJ just said, you can also text it,
so you can text, all right, how do I click on the
text? It says text the same number. No, it says text start
s T A R T all capital to six seven eight six seven eight.
Okay, thank you, because I did not have that one down. And
then you could also go to the Trevor Project dot org. And you don't
have the text or call, you could chat with someone through the website,
just in case for those who are in a very controlling situation where they're partner
or family member, because it's not always partners. It could be abusive parents,
grandparents, et cetera. Or they monitor your your texts and calls.
You could go straight to those and like online activity yeah, uh huh,
and like to like yeah, like if you have like a Google Chrome or
or you know, other like web browsers, sometimes you can go incognito,
yes, yeah. And then on this website specifically, you press escape and
it'll close the whole thing. Yes, so all good things to know,
okay. So hesus O Salsetto was a Mexican activist for LGBTQ plus rights in
Mexico, and they made history in twenty twenty two when they became the first
non binary magistrate in Latin American history. All of Latin America. Oh my
god, my child, all of Latin America. Okay, But like their
their outfits always slayed, yes, and I do mention that later, but
oh my god, I was like screen shouting it, and I was like,
yeah, they were always in the best outfits, a skur, the
cutest shoes ever, beautiful, like and they're not cod but like, oh
the makeup spot on, I can't do that. I wish I could.
Everything amazing about them. I gave up on makeup long time ago. But
were I still do it? Okay because I know, But like I started
getting like a weird skin reactions, I know, and I was like hmm,
and then I let my skin breathe and then I was like I did
an Alicia Keys. Oh okay, yeah, that's how I am most of
the time. But once when we record, I do put on like what's
it called concealer and blush and my eyebrows. And then I wish I had
time to put eyelashes on because I mscare is never good enough, but I
it takes too long for me. I don't know how to put them on
properly, and I can't get them done because I rubbed my eyes too much.
Oh yeah, and then like, I'm scared of getting my eyelashes done
because I've seen pictures and I'm like, hmmm, fear activated. Yeah no
this some of them are like if you don't take care of them, they
do get really crusty. Yes, yes, and infected. M h.
I'm like, no, I'm not gambling with my eyeballs. That's too important.
Yeah. I was like, I I have severe stigmatism. Sorry my
child again anyway, moving on, I don't know what's that saying. Yeah,
they were always slain with they're clothing. Oh and for those that don't
know, magistrate is a superior judge. It's the highest ranking state judge in
Mexico. They are right below the Supreme Court justice. So a big deal,
very big deal. And they were the first nine non binary magistrate in
all of Latin America. So Jzusola Sado was born in Saltio, Grwila,
where they earned a bachelor's and master's degree in law from the University of Gruila.
Then they worked as a lecturer of electoral Law, legislative process and public
management at the University for Professional Development. They moved to aguascalient This in twenty
twelve, where they completed a doctorate in electoral law at the University of Durango.
So super educated, just amazing. They went on to work as an
electoral secretary at the National Electoral Institute and then as a professor of electoral law
at the University of Aguascalientes and qual Demo University. During their life and work,
they advocated for the LGBTQ plus community. They promoted the use of gender
inclusive language and urged Mexican authorities to issue voting and identifying documents like IDs that
reflected the gender identity of the holder. So like to allow like if a
person is non binary, let that say that on the ID. That's that's
what they were promoting. That is awesome. I have a question, though,
I do have a question. What are the non binary terms in Mexico
or in Latin America. So I don't know how to say them. I
guess the term that the equal term to say them, like, yeah,
so instead of saying aya or aos as ayah, put an e in there,
amigas amige. I had no idea. Some people will say prettimes like
my mes Oh I love that, yeah so, or you know, prettymius.
But I like pimes for like, you know, little cousins. If
you're not you know, saying a specific gender. Yeah, just the e
really and uh, I mean this has been in use for so long,
so before anyone comes yelling at us, know, there's gonna be someone.
There's always someone and that's why the term latina makes so much sense. But
yeah, I mean if you were in the LGBTQ plus spaces in Mexico or
other places. Uh, the e has been used to replace those like to
make a gender neutral for ages now for such a long time. So yeah,
that's what it is. I've been using the n like just instead of
latina latina Latin. Oh. I don't like that because it makes me just
make me think of like Latin. You think of like Italians for some reason.
But I'm like, yeah, or you know, like the Latin language
that is not. I don't. I don't know. I don't like it.
I've never liked it for that reason because it just it doesn't. It's
the language. Yeah, because of like I don't know pig Latin and all
these you know, Latin, it's already something. It's already a word.
So like I and I never cared. Obviously, I'm not gonna like say,
oh, you can't see this word, like, I'm never gonna be
one of those people. But to me, like Latin X made sense,
and so the Latina. But Latin is one that I just never like.
I'm like, I'm not going to use that one. I use it because
it's like it's Latin America is like the term. That's true. But if
if I was saying if there was a group of Latinos and someone said,
oh, there's Latins over there, I'm like, oh, it just doesn't.
I don't. It's weird. But I'm also, you know, I'm
part of the community, so I feel like I could say it. Of
course, you can say what you want, but not you palm colored people
color or paper white paper colored. Oh no, that's like the same white
never mind, forget any of that. Any white colored paper like what oh
my god season and I'm just kidding. And again just to say like there's
always all these people online like oh, latinnix was invented by a white person
and so and so, but like you know, you can't like tie down
the word to a specific place in history. Some people say it's Puerto Rico.
And also I also feel like that's a little bit I heard it was
a little bit racist, because that's to assume that our people aren't educated and
weren't in these these places to make words, which is true, which you
know, there was like this whole issue with LATINX and I and I can
see both sides, but it's also like a little bit, I guess,
in a way like races, to assume that our people aren't educated enough to
be in these spaces where these words do come up. No, it's to
assume that there's no queer people in Latin America, and there has always been,
and they've always had language to express themselves in a non gendered way.
And so if you look at old protests from the seventies, you can find
the word X replacing mucherees in the e. You can rEFInd. Yeah,
so it's it's always been a thing. Did anyone actually say Latin X Like,
no, that's not how it was pronounced. So but to say,
oh, it's a white people word, it's it's not. And people have
always changed language to include themselves fit the yes exactly, and so you these
words have always been like you know, it's like we've been saying they weren't
made up here, and so I just people get more mad about that word
instead of like the actual issues affecting Latin America. And it's like, are
you gonna get mad about this word when you don't even care and this is
the only thing you care about. So yeah, anyway, but yeah,
no, I'm glad you ask because yeah, probably a lot of people that
don't know how to say they them in Spanish. Yeah I didn't. I
I've only seen like like this was like years ago, which is it's crazy,
like I said, I put the B in LGBTQ, but I don't.
I'm not in I'm in like LGBTQ spaces in the States. But everybody
here kind of speaks English, right, so it's like, you know,
the English terms. It's harder outside of English speaking communities because I'm not I
can speak Spanish but I'm not like, let's have a scientific debate, speak
Spanish and be like, oh no women wettal. I don't know. It
was like what is it called? Like a like the thing when you go
to Mexico and and your cousin goes on a on a like grant or something,
and it's like something in forensic. I'm like, what is what does
that mean? What means? Yeah? So yeah, No, it's good
that you asked. I don't know where I came across the word. And
that's how I've heard. And some people might have their own way. I've
seen the X in Muhares and like the X place. Yeah, but I've
I don't think i've seen the EM. Yeah, I've more heard it than
seeing it. But some people, I mean, and some people might have
their own way of doing it. So, and that's the beauty about it.
You can change it to fit your needs, like you said, so,
yeah, and it's important, it's important to include others. So when
Hazusociel became the first non binary magistrate in Latin America, they told CNN and
Espanol the following, I want to send the message that LGBTQ population, that
the LGBTQ population can access these spaces that there is a possibility that we have
people with enough of a profile that with their own merits can access these spaces
where decisions are made. So like saying like, hey, we can do
it too, there's room for us here. And they they made that room.
They did, and they did finished making history there. On May seventeen,
twenty twenty three, they also made history by becoming the first Mexican citizen
to receive a gender neutral passport. Oh nice right, Only sixteen countries offer
this. So when they were sworn in as a magistrate, there was a
rainbow flag next to them, and I'll post pictures of this. And so
they they did all of this work in a very fashionable manner, always in
a skirt, heels and a cute top, always smiling, always friendly.
But unfortunately, because of who they were and what they represented, they received
many hate messages and Hessu Soosiet he was determined to continue their work, but
unfortunately that did they got cut too short. So on November thirteenth, twenty
twenty three, Hessuzosiel and their partner Dorian Danielle Nieves Erera, were both found
dead in their home their housekeeper found them, and so the following is from
the Aguas Calientes prosecutor and they stated that both Issus o'cil and Dorian Danielle had
razor blade wounds. There was no third party that entered the home after the
pair was seen arriving from Guahaca. Toxicology analysis revealed the presence of methamphetamines in
Dorian Danielle. It is suspected this is the story that the state prosecution has
put out, so it is suspected that Dorian Danielle killed Hezus o'cel before taking
his own life. They reported that Hazus o'ciel had over twenty stab wounds and
Dorian Danielle had razor blade injuries on his wrists. Preliminary findings indicate that there
were no traces of blood found outside of the crime scene and there was no
damage found in the access waste to the home, meaning no one broke in,
and they're ruling out the presence of a third person involved in their deaths.
They stated one of the lifeless bodies was found holding a cutting in ste
and the last thing I could find about this is that authorities said they would
coordinate with or national authorities said they would coordinate with state authorities so that you
know, the national government would cooperate with Aguascarina specifically to investigate the deaths.
And then the Interior ministry officials said that they were not they were not throughout
any line of investigation. But friends, family, and members of the LGBTQ
community in Aguascalientes maintain that they do not believe the narrative of the state.
They say there were no issues between Dorian Danielle and huss Ociel that would have
led to this sort of violence. There was no known domestic violence. No
one believes that Dorian Danielle would do this, that he would you know,
kill his usociel and then himself. They point out to the family, friends,
family, and you know LGBTQ members. I'll point out that all points,
sorry, all point to the several death threats that sol had been receiving,
which increased a lot in the months before they were killed. And another
weird thing that family, friends, and LGBTQ community have pointed out is that
a friend ofl and Dorian daniel and an LGBTQ activist, Lisa Nava, had
been murdered just a few months before in Aguascalientes. Wow, so they feel
like someone is targeting them. And this kind of points to the thread you
mentioned as well that you've you've came across that had you know, a list
of of lgbtt Yeah, there was, Yes, there was a list of
and I have to I can't. I don't think I can find it,
but I think I'm gonna look into lists of LGBTQ members that have been murdered
within the past. I think here in Mexico. I don't know if it
was Mexico or Latin America as a whole. I don't remember this read,
but I do know there were. But this was one of the most deadliest
years for politicians and anybody running for office in Mexico. There was a true
lot of of dead people, a lot of murders. It was. It
was very bloody, it was. It was a horrible year for any many
members running for office. And I think it has something to do with that,
because this year it really I think it was the worst year or one
of the worst years. Yeah, I read that too, And they also
pointed to the fact that Mexican police have a record of dismissing homophobic crimes as
crimes of passion. Oh yes, so they're like can they be trusted?
And of course, like news reports and like people of authority are like saying
like you shouldn't or they're blabing the family for causing like unrest because they don't
believe what the state is saying. But it's like, how can they with
the his that has happened? You know, yes, even if they're telling
the truth, even if like something did happen between the two, their past
behavior has muddy to everything exactly. And Victor Espindola, the executive director of
nonprofit Movement for Equality in Mexico, told Courthouse News that the couple sounded happy.
So Dorian Daniel and his associated they sounded happy and a bat when he
spoke to them the Sunday before they were found They were found dead, and
they were found dead on a Monday morning. So he talked to them the
day before, and he claims they sounded happy and a bee and normal.
And he also said the following there is no evidence to support the Attorney general's
version because there are no cameras in the house and there were no witnesses,
but he there's to declare that there was an argument in the bedroom. It
would appear that they would like to close the case as quickly as possible,
So we and several other organizations are calling on the federal Attorney General's to take
the case because what the Auascalientes Attorney General is declaring is not trustworthy. It
also sounds like a police officer was involved. I just saying yeah, and
like we I mean, there's no way of knowing, but to of course,
the community and the family are going to have questions when there has been
no history of violence between the couple and when things just I don't know,
don't add up, right, yeah, Fellow magistrate La Yama said the following
at a tribute, Hissu Byna's purpose was to promote the people of the LGBTQ
plus community who supported them throughout their struggle, achieving a powerful message of inclusion
and equality in our state and our country. We will never forget by Ana's
essence, persistence and desire to achieve a better world. And Juan Byenna,
Hissusociel's father, said the following, it would be a shame to let this
justice system make a judgment that is not correct and that the majority do not
believe, and yeah. I mean when there's questions, there needs to be
an open, like concrete evidence that that's and they have to be very what
is it called very open about the investigation. I feel like they have to
release everything, every single thing, because then just it's sketchy. That's what
I was going to say as well, that yeah, it needs to be
open so that the questions that the community is having can be answered. Otherwise
it looks fishy, suspicious. Yes, thousands protested after they were found dead
and attended vigils and demonstrations and their honor, and they inspired many people throughout
their life. They were outspoken about their general identity, gender identity, and
they were the reason for the official recognition of the word maestre, which was
a gender neutral noun for magistrate in Spanish. Oh I love that right,
Oh that makes I was like, why why wouldn't a street and you need
to change? But yeah, because oh my god, what is the word
in Spanish machistrado machestrado? Wait? Is it an irony? The maestra look
at us being us? I don't know. This is why we don't know.
This is why I was like, why would they need a gender neutral
term? Because I was like, it's Magis Street. Don't listen to,
don't listen to both of us. I don't know. Ignore everything we just
said. Moving on from that, they wrote the following in June on Twitter.
Also side note, I will always respect pronouns, but I will never
respect Twitter changing their name to X. I'm not calling it X. I'm
never calling it X. No, it's just not happening. It's it's Twitter.
Yes, So they wrote the following in June on Twitter. I am
a non binary person. I'm not interested in being seen as either woman or
man. This is an identity. It is mine for me and nobody else.
Accept it and bam, yes, accept it, and honestly, we
can only hope that justice is found. I do want to play this clip
though, because and I'll send it to you on Facebook, because this clip
went viral after everything. Mad matha sound great, math, You're less start
breaking? Yeah, I just I get chills every time I watch that,
and also feel like crying because you can hear the pain in her voice.
But I'm just a translate really quick for people that don't speak Spanish. She
uh, and I don't know if she's like a cousin or an aunt.
I can't tell because the video doesn't say, but she is a family member,
and so she's saying that when you kill a trans person, when you
kill a gay per, you're not that's not who you're killing. You're killing
a brother and uncle, a nephew, like you're you're killing someone's family member.
And yeah, I mean they were just they were such an important person
doing such important work. They seem like a lovely person. And at the
end, the family is the people that are you know, left torn,
suffering, and we can only hope for justice, yes, and I really
do hope that the investigation starts becoming very open and very transparent because it's it's
needed to also for the LGBTQ community in a Wesklents and Mexico in Mexico need
that reassurance that you know, like they will also get justice for you know,
crimes against them. And like I always said this, like this ship
pisses me off that especially in the Latin American community, not in a Latin
American but like Latin America in general, like the whole community in general,
that pisses me off is that there's they villainize the LGBTQ plus community. But
they will keep the secrets and they will protect ten toads down for the family
pedophile. And it pisses me off. Oh yeah yeah, they'll be like,
oh so and so it's coming overevestido, like, don't wear a dress,
put yeah, put some pants on. I'm like, first of all,
why are you even allowing a person where in which your children need to
cover up and change from shorts two pants around your children. That is disgusting.
That is disgusting. I I as someone who was abused as a child
by an adult. It was a straight man. It was a straight man
somehow, never a drag queen somehow, never a transperson somehow. Always a
straight person. Yes, a straight man. The person who abused me was
a straight man. Yes. And that's not to say obviously people like that
abusers are in every community. But like the numbers, don't lie, look
at them, look at who really makes the majority, and don't pretend to
be doing this to say the children. Don't go protest a drag queen story
hour, which are amazing, by the way, because you're trying to save
the children. Instead, watch out for those that are close to your child.
That's what you need to be the creepy uncle. Yeah, the creepy
uncle, the creepy coach, the creepy paricte. Yeah. For me,
I've always been it's always been men who who. Even when I was a
child, I was being cat called by men. Oh yeah, yeah,
same. Like. There was this thing that I came across that said,
what was it like when I was a child, they used to get called
by men? And I thought it was because I looked like older. But
then as you get older, the cat calling slows down. Oh I saw
that, Yes, and slows down until you realize it was because he looked
older. And that's horrifying, and that is disgusting. I mean, yeah,
I remember being twelve eleven and I'm like being cat calls. It's it's
so dehumanizing, it's so and now that you're like an adult and look like
an adult, the cat calls have either a slow down or stop for some
people. And then you come to a realization, Oh, they knew,
they knew they I don't look like an adult. It was because I looked
like a child. Huh. It's disgusting. Before we go on more of
a rant on this, because we can and we would, Oh there's there's
one hour, two hours not enough. Yeah, we can keep going,
but let's not. Let's let's do speaking recommendations. If you have any do
you have any? I? What was I? I was watching? What
does that show? Unsolved Mysteries? Was William Shatner? Yes? I was
having the time of my life. I was having the time of my life
because I've been proched. I a purcheyed so much, guys, I croucheded
like three bags. I still have more shirt. This this reminds me.
Did you get the thing I tagged you in on Facebook? I was like,
I'll pay you to crochet this, right, I don't know. Let
me see, let me see. Did I tag someone else? Oh my
god, I meant I don't. I don't see it. Hold on,
damn. Okay, it was when a week ago? No, it was
this morning. No, I didn't. I don't. I haven't gotten anything.
It says weird. Okay. It was a picture of someone that crocheted
a safety a vest, like a bright safety. Oh, I've seen that
one. You know what's funny? I uh, when was it like two
three days ago? I came across that yarn. I was like, oh,
that is a very bright yarn. Yeah, and I was like,
I wonder what I can make with it, and then like the following day,
I know what you're talking about. Okay, okay, well that's the
one I tagged you in. Okay, So you've been crocheting and watching Unsolved
Mysteries. Yes, I finished both two seasons. I have to get season
one and two, but i've finished season three and fourth. Season four is
so long? But why did you watch three and four? First? Oh
that's all they had on Netflix. I didn't see one and two. Oh
okay, I've come across those somewhere else. I think it was like Prime
or something or was it I don't remember. Oh, I have Prime,
will check, yeah, double check. I think that's what it was.
I could be wrong, but it's like my go to thing because it's like
it's like you don't have to watch the TV. It's kind of like a
podcast. And then I get really into croching, and I've been crouching so
much. I don't know if you saw the bag that adorable. I've been
into Granny Squares. I love it. I love it so much. But
yeah, that's what I've been doing. Unsolved Mysteries with William Shanner. I'm
trying to look for more stuff like that, because you know, I like
the little documentary stuff. Yeah. There, Honestly, nothing comes close to
it. It crutches a niche in my brain. M hm, yeah,
there's nothing like it. It's this. It's a classic. There's a I
don't know if you come across it, but there is a UFO Mexico City
episode, So somewhere I'm gonna it's probably in the first two seasons, unless
I spaced out in one of the you could have. I don't remember where
it's at. I probably did, it's a possibility. Yeah. I finally
read the first story in Loteria by Cynthia. It's like an anthology book where
each story is based on a Lotteria card. Oh oh yes, yes,
yes, I've heard of this. Yes, Karmen and I Krmon has already
read all of it. Of course she has. She is a bookworm.
She yeah, she's been obsessed this year, specifically because last year she was
like not into it, but this year she's been reading away and that's why
she finished VS. Northest super fast. Also, I'm where are you?
Yes, I am like two thirds through the book. I still have to
finish. I have not had time and been like crushed. Well, my
kids are off the summer, so I have to mother. Yeah, because
yeah, I finished it, So all right, all right, I try,
I'll try the pressures on. But yeah, I mean that's I know.
Carmen's already recommended it and talked more about it, so but that would
be my spooky recommendation. And other than that, I'm gonna end episode here
because I have to be. I've been trying so much water. So I
don't know, watch out for God, what do we even say? I
don't even remember any of the legends. Watch out for the Oh, I
know, don't make deals with the devil. Yeah, yes, say spooky
and we'll catch everyone next time. Bye bye