1 00:00:01,439 --> 00:00:05,440 I was listening to the story about It was the story of a family in 2 00:00:05,639 --> 00:00:10,000 Washington and the little boy called the big Foot the cowboy man, and he 3 00:00:10,119 --> 00:00:14,800 had apparently it had made an effort to steal this kid. And it hit 4 00:00:14,919 --> 00:00:21,039 me. My children were in that play pen behind me for nothing but a 5 00:00:21,039 --> 00:00:26,399 mosquito net over them. It could have crept up behind me and taken both 6 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:35,280 of my children and I wouldn't know. His father just got like a Mustang 7 00:00:35,399 --> 00:00:39,079 or something from Wyoming, Okay. He had it out in the corral because 8 00:00:39,079 --> 00:00:42,560 he couldn't put it in the barn with in the stalls with the other horses. 9 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:45,840 Said would kick and made all the other horses nervous. At a seminal 10 00:00:45,880 --> 00:00:49,240 Indian work in the horse trying to break it. Every day they had it 11 00:00:49,280 --> 00:00:54,200 out in the corral. The skunky snuck up behind his horse and grabbed it 12 00:00:54,359 --> 00:00:59,119 bon its hindquarters. This particular horse that kicks out, jumps over the corral, 13 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:00,520 runs into the pair, you know, to get away. At this 14 00:01:00,679 --> 00:01:04,719 point, the ranchers out there just blessed away with the dirty, dirty stun 15 00:01:04,799 --> 00:01:11,719 gave runs into the swamp. I went up there one day after that or 16 00:01:11,719 --> 00:01:15,400 two days after that, I went up there and sat in the silence up 17 00:01:15,439 --> 00:01:19,040 there, and I'm telling you, man, it was free. It was 18 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:22,439 crazy, you know it was. There was a crazy vibe up there. 19 00:01:22,519 --> 00:01:25,680 Still. I did what I could to kind of get things out of control. 20 00:01:25,719 --> 00:01:26,719 But I told her, I said, you need to get off this 21 00:01:26,799 --> 00:01:30,599 property. I feel like, no matter how strong you are, it's almost 22 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:34,719 like standing in the ocean. You can't stand still without moving your feet. 23 00:01:34,799 --> 00:01:38,079 You're going to get knocked over eventually. No matter how strong whatever, you 24 00:01:38,439 --> 00:01:49,560 can't withstand a barrage of of weird spiritual energy. Hey, everybody, what's 25 00:01:49,599 --> 00:01:55,159 up playing? Welcome back to Paranormal Odyssey. Got another interview that I did 26 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:57,719 a little while back then I'm wanting to share with you guys. I was 27 00:01:57,799 --> 00:02:04,799 a guest over with Steve Coles and his co host Chris Over on The Squatch 28 00:02:04,879 --> 00:02:08,039 Detective. Had a really, really good time over there. I gotta say 29 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:13,639 it's one of the more fun interviews that I probably have ever done. I'm 30 00:02:13,680 --> 00:02:16,199 a big, big fan of Steve and everything that he does. About a 31 00:02:16,240 --> 00:02:21,719 month after this, Steve came on my show and Yeah, I can't wait 32 00:02:21,719 --> 00:02:23,400 for you guys to hear it. I'm sure that there are a lot of 33 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:28,280 you out there that haven't had a chance to hear it just yet, so 34 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:30,759 I wanted to bring it to you. All Right, guys, snuff of 35 00:02:30,840 --> 00:02:38,199 all of that. Let's get started. So Wayne Hadah, Hell are you 36 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:42,680 brother? I am just fantastic. Guys. How are we all doing today? 37 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:45,639 I'm very very honored to be here. I've been looking forward to this. 38 00:02:45,719 --> 00:02:49,080 I really have. Well we are I honor is all on this site. 39 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:53,759 Sarah. Yeah. Now, now, just so everybody knows, you 40 00:02:53,879 --> 00:02:59,280 do your own podcast called Paranormal Odacy. If you want to, let's talk 41 00:02:59,319 --> 00:03:02,280 a little bit about Paranormal Odyssey before we start. Yeah, yeah, I'd 42 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:06,960 be happy to. I do my own show, Paranormal Odissey. I also 43 00:03:07,159 --> 00:03:12,879 co host that Bigfoot on this odyssey, I'm sorry, that Bigfoot podcast with 44 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:16,919 Brian from Sasquatch Odyssey. He and I work together. He's the one that 45 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:22,639 actually started Paranormal Odyssey, you know. He he's a host of Sasquatch Odissey, 46 00:03:22,719 --> 00:03:28,159 the wildly successful you know bigfoot podcast. It's like number I think it's 47 00:03:28,199 --> 00:03:31,360 like number three in the world, you know, behind the couple that we 48 00:03:31,439 --> 00:03:36,280 know about. So I hooked up with Brian. A couple of years ago, 49 00:03:36,319 --> 00:03:38,919 we became really fast friends. He offered me the opportunity to take over 50 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:45,840 Paranormal Odyssey. I was doing my own thing on on Facebook with Manimal Research, 51 00:03:45,919 --> 00:03:50,319 with my organization that I founded, so I took that over. I've 52 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:54,960 done a little over one hundred episodes right now. And yeah, Brian and 53 00:03:55,039 --> 00:04:00,719 I recently started that Bigfoot podcast. We're like twenty something up so then and 54 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:04,120 having a ball with it. You guys, hey, if y'all haven't seen 55 00:04:04,159 --> 00:04:08,039 that yet, I invite you to go, please go check that out anywhere 56 00:04:08,039 --> 00:04:12,560 you can find podcasts. We've only done a couple of live shows on YouTube 57 00:04:12,599 --> 00:04:17,480 and you can find those over at the Sasquatch Odyssey page. But uh yeah, 58 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:21,199 yeah, that's Paranormal Odyssey. I talked to everyone. I'm a bigfoot 59 00:04:21,199 --> 00:04:26,519 guy. That's how I got my start in this. But I've always been 60 00:04:26,519 --> 00:04:30,800 interested in everything spooky. So we have ghost hunters on there. I've talked 61 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:36,120 to several psychic mediums, UFO people, people would that have been abducted and 62 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:42,279 had sightings and stuff like that. It's just a wide gamut of creepy stuff. 63 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:46,439 Basically, I think like most everybody else. Wayne, You've probably interested 64 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:51,639 in mystery just like everybody else. Absolutely. I always laugh when ghost people 65 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:59,199 say a big fight, that's that's not real. Yeah, what the hell? 66 00:05:00,199 --> 00:05:03,160 Like, what what are you talking about? Well, that's funny. 67 00:05:03,800 --> 00:05:09,519 Quite I love the mystery stuff. Whatever. If something's popped on TV, 68 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:13,800 you know, and it's like, I don't care what it's talking about. 69 00:05:13,839 --> 00:05:16,000 Did the Aliens build the pyramid or something other? Heck, I'm watching it, 70 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:19,480 you know. I'll give them fifteen minutes to watch time if it catches 71 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:24,480 my interest. I watched the whole thing. So let's roll. Let's roll 72 00:05:24,519 --> 00:05:29,879 back the clock. What got you interested in the big Foot topic? You 73 00:05:29,920 --> 00:05:33,600 know, Steve, I've been interested in my entire life, and I've told 74 00:05:33,759 --> 00:05:36,839 this story, you know, so many times. But I'm new to your 75 00:05:36,879 --> 00:05:41,160 show, so there's probably some people here that I'm new to, so I 76 00:05:41,199 --> 00:05:45,759 don't mind telling it again. I just had a lot of long interest in 77 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:50,040 cryptids. Really. You know, back when I was in school in the 78 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:56,160 late eighties early nineties, we would go to uh, you know, you 79 00:05:56,199 --> 00:05:58,519 go to school, and a couple of times a week you were allowed to 80 00:05:58,519 --> 00:06:01,360 go to the library and check out a book and then return it. The 81 00:06:01,399 --> 00:06:08,920 next time you came. I always found myself looking for bigfoot stuff and cryptid 82 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:12,120 you know, a lot, this monster, a troop of carbra alien, 83 00:06:12,279 --> 00:06:15,759 just just weird stuff. Back then, there was no Internet. Obviously, 84 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:19,439 there was no Google machine that if we want to know something nowadays, we 85 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:24,800 just type it in and find out about it instantly. It's all we had 86 00:06:25,079 --> 00:06:28,319 back then. So I took advantage of it every opportunity that I got. 87 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:32,839 You know, and then you grow up, other stuff becomes important important, 88 00:06:32,879 --> 00:06:36,319 you know, you have kids, have a family, work takes over, 89 00:06:36,519 --> 00:06:43,279 you lose interest in all that stuff. But back in twenty nineteen, I 90 00:06:43,399 --> 00:06:46,639 was working at a place that was about an hour's fifty five minutes almost an 91 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:50,639 hour commute one way, you know there, and then another fifty five minutes 92 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:56,639 back. And my car went down. So I had to borrow a truck 93 00:06:56,680 --> 00:07:00,000 from my dad while mine was in the shop. And what happens the second 94 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:04,800 day that I get that truck, the damn radio goes out. What am 95 00:07:04,839 --> 00:07:10,720 I going to do two hours of my day driving in this truck with nothing 96 00:07:10,759 --> 00:07:15,439 to listen to? So that's when I discovered podcasts. I started. I 97 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:19,959 looked up all the weird crap I could find. Started listening to a show 98 00:07:20,519 --> 00:07:25,480 called Monsters among Us. A lot of you may know it, loved it, 99 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:31,240 started binging the heck out of it. But I found myself wishing everyone, 100 00:07:31,639 --> 00:07:34,399 wishing everyone would just shut up with all the other stuff and get back 101 00:07:34,439 --> 00:07:39,959 to Bigfoot, because that's really all I wanted to hear. So I did 102 00:07:39,959 --> 00:07:44,560 some more searching in lo and behold, who would have thunk it, there 103 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:49,839 are podcasts that dedicated to nothing but Bigfoot. I had no idea at all. 104 00:07:50,360 --> 00:07:55,360 So I found one, the biggest one out there, and I started 105 00:07:55,360 --> 00:07:58,480 listening. That was like, at that time, there was like five hundred 106 00:07:58,480 --> 00:08:01,199 episodes. I was in heaven, dude, I've loved it. I started 107 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:07,959 from the beginning and just started going through them, and it didn't take me 108 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:11,319 long to find out that there were actually people that were going out in the 109 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:15,160 woods looking for this thing. I always thought that there would there would be 110 00:08:15,319 --> 00:08:18,800 out west, you know, California, Oregon, Washington, Pacific Northwest. 111 00:08:20,399 --> 00:08:22,480 It never occurred to me that big Boot could even be in my part of 112 00:08:22,519 --> 00:08:26,680 the country. Again, I'm in I'm in Southeast Tennessee, in that Chattanooga 113 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:31,840 area, so I'm right down here I joke with people one of my hotspots 114 00:08:33,159 --> 00:08:37,039 is in Tennessee. I can throw a rock into Georgia and pee into North 115 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:41,080 Carolina and be standing in Tennessee. I'm right there in the corner of all 116 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:46,159 three states. So, uh, I had no idea that these things were 117 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:50,159 out there in my area. But but why wouldn't they be. You know, 118 00:08:50,279 --> 00:08:56,320 there were surrounded by mountains. It's wilderness. I mean, what anything. 119 00:08:56,440 --> 00:09:00,240 All you have to have is food, water, and shelter, and 120 00:09:00,279 --> 00:09:03,320 that's here. Man. I'm sitting right in the middle of all of that. 121 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:09,480 So it just amazed me that there were people in my area that were 122 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:13,720 doing this. And I'm listening to that show one day and this gentleman gets 123 00:09:13,759 --> 00:09:18,720 on there and he talks about He starts to tell his encounter. He says, 124 00:09:18,039 --> 00:09:22,799 I live in a small town in Tennessee, about forty five miles north, 125 00:09:24,519 --> 00:09:30,480 about forty five minutes north of Chattanooga. Damn, I live in a 126 00:09:30,519 --> 00:09:35,080 small town forty five minutes north of Chattanooga. And I'm listening. And the 127 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:41,440 more he starts, the more he keeps talking, the more it sounds familiar, 128 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:46,039 and he finally rebuilds the name of this place. I'm like, this 129 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:50,320 is a place that I've been with my family, I've walked this place, 130 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:54,720 and so that really, you know, piqued my interest in with the blessing 131 00:09:54,759 --> 00:09:58,799 of my fiance at the time, we're married now, with her blessing, 132 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:03,320 you know, she it's important to have the other half. Blessing tell me. 133 00:10:03,399 --> 00:10:07,440 You know you're knowledgeable about this, you're clearly passionate about it. Little 134 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:11,600 did we know. She said, it's not going to take a whole lot 135 00:10:11,639 --> 00:10:16,320 of money to get started, you know, right, Yeah, so you 136 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:20,279 know you need to just do it. So I started my organization animal research. 137 00:10:20,919 --> 00:10:24,879 But getting back to that area that that gentleman was talking about. Once 138 00:10:24,919 --> 00:10:28,279 I got started and I had a buddy that was interested in it with me, 139 00:10:28,679 --> 00:10:33,360 we went to this area and we found this man that worked there. 140 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:37,320 I don't know if he's a ranger or what, but he works for the 141 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:41,519 state and he's over this area. It's called the Pocket Wilderness. Anybody that's 142 00:10:41,559 --> 00:10:46,000 local probably knows about it. Well, he's over this area, has been 143 00:10:46,039 --> 00:10:50,440 for years. So I go and I talked to him. I asked him 144 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:54,720 some information about camping because that's what I wanted to do, some backcountry camping 145 00:10:54,399 --> 00:10:58,399 and I asked him. I said, so camping, what about what do 146 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:01,879 we need to look out for? Are there any precautions we need to take? 147 00:11:01,919 --> 00:11:03,879 What kind of critters are out here? And he says, well, 148 00:11:03,879 --> 00:11:07,840 we recommend you tie your food up in a tree. There's been sightings of 149 00:11:07,879 --> 00:11:11,279 bear, and of course you got raccoons and all the normal stuff. And 150 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:16,399 I looked at him and I said, well, what about much taller critters, 151 00:11:16,679 --> 00:11:22,440 maybe say covered in hair? And his eyes got about that bigger round 152 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:26,000 and he looked at me and he said, yes, they're here, and 153 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:31,000 I've seen them, and I about lost it. I said, you got 154 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:33,919 to tell me. You can tell me, and he pointed over to his 155 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:37,519 right and I left. And he said, I saw one running up that 156 00:11:37,639 --> 00:11:41,360 ridge. I've been yelled at, screamed at, and I've had rocks on 157 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:43,919 it at me. I don't know how many times. He says, I 158 00:11:43,919 --> 00:11:50,360 can't talk about it officially, but I'm telling you they're here. So I 159 00:11:50,399 --> 00:11:54,960 can't talk to him on the record, obviously, but that just excites me. 160 00:11:54,039 --> 00:11:58,519 Man, that told me that there might be something here to look into. 161 00:11:58,639 --> 00:12:03,440 And I started then, and you know, that's a really long answer 162 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:16,000 to your short question. Good wow. And you know it's amazing because I 163 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:18,240 recall talking to a New York State forest ranger many years ago and I said, 164 00:12:18,279 --> 00:12:20,679 yeah, I bet you think we're all out here for a bunch of 165 00:12:20,679 --> 00:12:24,000 belogne. And he turned around and said, oh no, he goes there's 166 00:12:24,039 --> 00:12:28,159 areas in these woods that hasn't been touched by man for hundreds of year, 167 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:33,360 you know, for one hundred years, so anything's possible. And you know, 168 00:12:33,559 --> 00:12:37,320 just flat out boom, oh no, I'm not discounting this at all. 169 00:12:37,399 --> 00:12:41,240 And it kind of struck me aback because this guy was a veteran, 170 00:12:41,279 --> 00:12:46,320 veteran forest ranger. I mean he was well into his fifties at the time, 171 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:48,480 and so you know, he'd been on the job for about twenty years 172 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:54,120 or so. Yeah. I was like, ohh and we hear this constantly 173 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:56,279 too, that you know, you have these rangers we had years ago, 174 00:12:56,320 --> 00:12:58,799 and I don't know if he's even still alive that if he is, I 175 00:12:58,799 --> 00:13:03,320 hope he's in good health. But we had Charles Branson on from Oklahoma who 176 00:13:03,399 --> 00:13:07,039 is a forest ranger, who said, oh, yeah, we knew these 177 00:13:07,039 --> 00:13:13,960 things existed in our in our state lands, and so yeah, talking to 178 00:13:13,039 --> 00:13:20,440 a game a ranger out in New Mexico slash Arizona, the Four Corners area. 179 00:13:20,480 --> 00:13:24,720 I remember him recounting a story of him finding, you know, tracks 180 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:28,200 in a wrecked camp site after the guys came down and sady, can you 181 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:31,840 get our stuff because we didn't want to go back up there. So yeah, 182 00:13:31,919 --> 00:13:35,240 I mean that is really a cool way to get involved in it. 183 00:13:35,279 --> 00:13:39,200 Though it's like, oh, wow, doesn't that doesn't that just jet your 184 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:45,759 enthusiasm up the bet Absolutely? And you know, I've been fairly fortunate when 185 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:50,559 when talking to the government officials, I guess I've seen both sides of it. 186 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:54,559 I want to talk to a couple of rangers. The second one that 187 00:13:54,639 --> 00:13:58,919 I talked to informed me about something else. He warned me about another cryptid 188 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:03,320 or creature that you know, we can talk about it if you luck. 189 00:14:03,279 --> 00:14:09,080 And then another time we had the US Army run us off of an expedition 190 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:13,879 in uh in the Blue Ridge Mountains. So I've seen both sides. I've 191 00:14:13,879 --> 00:14:18,240 been It's been welcome to me, and then I've had people to to not 192 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:22,279 be so welcoming. Yeah, I wonder what the I wonder what the Army 193 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:26,639 had going on there. It could be they may have a live fire exercise 194 00:14:26,759 --> 00:14:28,519 or something. But there there I don't know if I don't think it was 195 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:33,759 lifeire, but they were. There were absolutely some rounds that were being spread. 196 00:14:35,639 --> 00:14:37,519 And this was in the middle of nowhere, in the Blue Ridge Mountains 197 00:14:37,840 --> 00:14:41,559 in Georgia. And I mean, I'm going to tell the story if you 198 00:14:41,600 --> 00:14:46,720 if you don't mind stick. We're on an expedition. There's there's about ten 199 00:14:46,799 --> 00:14:50,759 of us. Uh, there's actually a small child. One of the members 200 00:14:52,039 --> 00:14:56,480 brought his wife and their son, and then the rest of us were investigators. 201 00:14:58,240 --> 00:15:01,600 And we get to this location and we're going out, we're doing our 202 00:15:01,679 --> 00:15:07,080 high looking around and everything, and we hear just this rapid gunfire and either 203 00:15:07,159 --> 00:15:11,399 the armies out here doing an exercise or there's a redneck out here with a 204 00:15:11,399 --> 00:15:15,480 lot of money and some time to kill. Because these rounds were just going. 205 00:15:16,440 --> 00:15:18,279 It got our attention, it definitely did. It made us start heading 206 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:24,200 back toward camp. And one of the members that were there was ex military, 207 00:15:24,279 --> 00:15:28,639 former military, and he told us that he thinks that this area that 208 00:15:28,720 --> 00:15:35,720 the army does exercises here. Well, we're back at camp and a couple 209 00:15:35,759 --> 00:15:43,039 of minutes in to returning, we see this military hum D pull up, 210 00:15:43,639 --> 00:15:48,840 and then another one behind it, and this gentleman jumps out and he's a 211 00:15:48,879 --> 00:15:52,080 younger guy, probably early I mean, mid to late twenties, i'd say, 212 00:15:52,559 --> 00:15:58,840 extremely polite, very personable, just a really nice man. Everything you 213 00:15:58,960 --> 00:16:02,440 think about when you think about the military. He gets out, comes over, 214 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:06,200 shakes our hands, introduces himself, says, we're in the area. 215 00:16:06,519 --> 00:16:08,799 So you guys are absolutely fine. You are fine to be here. We're 216 00:16:08,840 --> 00:16:14,399 in the area doing some exercises. About forty five minutes will be out of 217 00:16:14,440 --> 00:16:17,240 your hair. You'll never know we were here, said, if they do 218 00:16:17,279 --> 00:16:21,039 their jobs right, you'll never know they were here. And so yeah, 219 00:16:21,039 --> 00:16:22,279 cool, it's all right. And we were just talking, you know, 220 00:16:22,399 --> 00:16:26,559 bs and for a couple of minutes. And then my buddy, the vice 221 00:16:26,559 --> 00:16:32,720 president of the company, Manimal Research, he sticks his foot in his mouth. 222 00:16:32,759 --> 00:16:37,799 He takes the queue to go ahead and ask this guy, well, 223 00:16:37,240 --> 00:16:41,320 I'll tell you what we're doing. We're out here looking for bigfoot. We're 224 00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:48,559 researchers. Have you experienced anything like that? And guys, I tell you, 225 00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:53,600 his personality switched. It went from very polite and friendly to very matter 226 00:16:53,639 --> 00:17:00,679 of fact. He cut the conversation off. He said okay, well nice 227 00:17:00,720 --> 00:17:03,759 to meet you, and ended it and walked away. And well, first 228 00:17:03,759 --> 00:17:06,720 off, he told us, no, there was nothing in that area. 229 00:17:06,759 --> 00:17:11,119 They never seen anything in that area. Then he walks back and I see 230 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:15,960 him talking to who I'm assuming is this commanding officer sitting in the hundie, 231 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:18,640 and they're looking at us. He keeps looking back at us and like, 232 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:22,279 man, what do we do? Are we in trouble? It's just weird 233 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:26,440 feeling just came over all of us. They never said another word to us. 234 00:17:26,039 --> 00:17:32,200 The rest of the soldiers that were in the woods doing the exercise, 235 00:17:32,799 --> 00:17:37,799 we started seeing headlamps all around us, and like, what are they doing? 236 00:17:37,480 --> 00:17:44,160 They were gathering firewood. They went from this man telling us forty five 237 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:45,759 minutes, we'll be out of your hair. He had the place to yourself 238 00:17:45,799 --> 00:17:51,960 for the rest of the weekend, to them making a fire and five or 239 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:57,079 six of them staying. They stayed all night. They weren't planning on staying. 240 00:17:57,119 --> 00:18:00,759 They didn't have and they had like the little fold out chairs. That's 241 00:18:00,799 --> 00:18:03,920 all they had. There were no tents or no sleeping bags. They were 242 00:18:04,079 --> 00:18:07,359 picking their own firewood. I mean, I don't even know if they had 243 00:18:07,359 --> 00:18:12,519 anything to eat, but they stayed and they made it as unpleasant on us. 244 00:18:12,559 --> 00:18:15,839 I have pictures. You know, my son was with me, and 245 00:18:17,440 --> 00:18:19,839 that's some other friends with me, and I have pictures. I made it 246 00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:22,839 look like I was just taking a picture of me and my son, but 247 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:27,119 I was really trying to illustrate how close these guys were to us. This 248 00:18:27,200 --> 00:18:33,440 field was massive, they had plenty of room. They were forty fifty feet 249 00:18:33,519 --> 00:18:37,839 off of us. I mean, they were loud, they were obnoxious, 250 00:18:37,839 --> 00:18:41,279 they were telling dirty jokes. We had a kid with us. They were 251 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:48,160 like urinating in like taking a leak and stuff. They made it so hard 252 00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:52,519 on us. They didn't they never asked us to leave. But we put 253 00:18:52,640 --> 00:18:55,599 up with the knight of that, and we packed up the next morning. 254 00:18:56,200 --> 00:18:59,720 We did not feel welcome and didn't feel right, so we cut what was 255 00:18:59,720 --> 00:19:03,039 going to be a two possibly three day expedition. We cut it. We 256 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:07,279 ended it after that first night. And I just wish that, I wish 257 00:19:07,279 --> 00:19:14,680 I could illustrate to everybody how this young man's demeanor changed. He was so 258 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:19,440 polite and friendly and nice and then just an asshole, like just like that. 259 00:19:22,079 --> 00:19:26,720 And it was after we mentioned Bigfoot. Well, I wonder Yeah, 260 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:29,400 that was the thing. You think that had anything to do with it, 261 00:19:29,519 --> 00:19:32,799 or that was everything to do with it. I think that that was it. 262 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:41,799 I can't think of anything else, Chris, I don't know. You're 263 00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:51,160 muted to see I am muted. Ah. I was watching the chat scroll 264 00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:55,599 by, and you know, there's some thoughts out there say that maybe they 265 00:19:55,599 --> 00:19:57,519 were watching you guys just see what you were going to do. But I 266 00:19:57,559 --> 00:20:02,799 think really the them making all that noise and being harassed, they wanted you 267 00:20:02,839 --> 00:20:07,279 guys out of there. Now, what reason is it to stop your bigfoot 268 00:20:07,319 --> 00:20:14,920 research? Or maybe they think you're just a bunch and no offense is meant. 269 00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:18,440 But here's just a bunch of hillbullies out here with some guns looking for 270 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:21,680 bigfoot. They're going to get somebody hurt. So we'll just keep some guys 271 00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:23,119 near them for the night. You guys want to camp out, yep, 272 00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:26,440 all right, cool, and you camp out, make some noise, get 273 00:20:26,519 --> 00:20:29,880 them out of there, and then we have to worry about that area. 274 00:20:30,599 --> 00:20:33,720 I mean, that's also a possibility. Absolutely. I've considered every bit of 275 00:20:33,759 --> 00:20:40,160 that. Yeah, and yeah, and it's one of those we were very 276 00:20:40,279 --> 00:20:42,440 armed. I don't go in the woods unless I'm armed, sure, but 277 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:45,720 it's not like we were advertising it. I didn't have anything on my hip. 278 00:20:45,759 --> 00:20:49,960 We didn't have long guns out no one did we hide our guns. 279 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:53,039 We don't. That's one of our rules when we go. I feel like 280 00:20:53,039 --> 00:20:56,680 big pot knows what guns are. Just have that feeling I always have. 281 00:20:57,480 --> 00:21:00,200 So if you're going out into the world, is doing an expedition looking for 282 00:21:00,279 --> 00:21:03,720 Bigfoot, what's the point in carrying a gun. You're not going to get 283 00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:08,160 close to them, in my opinion, So I always have my forty five 284 00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:12,799 on my hip, and that's not for Bigfoot, that's for anything else, 285 00:21:14,079 --> 00:21:17,759 a tweaker in the woods, a hog, a bear, just to get 286 00:21:17,799 --> 00:21:21,200 whatever it is off of me. I have no desire to kill a big 287 00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:26,240 foot. But to your point, to your point, we weren't advertising that 288 00:21:26,279 --> 00:21:32,720 we were armed. It probably figured that we were. You're right, Yeah, 289 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:34,519 It's just it's fascinating because if they were really to me, if they 290 00:21:34,519 --> 00:21:37,839 were really interested to see what you guys were doing, they would have camped 291 00:21:37,839 --> 00:21:41,000 out near you but kept really quiet to see what you guys are doing, 292 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:45,759 instead of making a lot of noise, generating some stuff to it and making 293 00:21:45,799 --> 00:21:51,279 it more of a nuance for you. Yeah, but you know they'll be 294 00:21:51,359 --> 00:22:00,720 conspiracy. Sharon asked, what's a tweaker. Tweaker is somebody that you know. 295 00:22:00,839 --> 00:22:03,960 I've been through the woods of North America, in the forest of North 296 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:11,519 America, and there's many occasions when you run into little shacks in the wood 297 00:22:11,559 --> 00:22:19,160 where they're making crystal meth, uh, marijuana growing fields, moonshine stilleries, 298 00:22:19,759 --> 00:22:25,079 distilleries. Yeah, and each one of those cases, if there's a person 299 00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:27,279 around them, they're not going to be too friendly to your presence. And 300 00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:32,680 likely they are armed, which is the reason why a lot of times we 301 00:22:32,759 --> 00:22:36,240 go in armed, not for the Bigfoot, but it's for those kind of 302 00:22:36,319 --> 00:22:42,400 dangerous situations exactly. So that that kind of answer. We do have another 303 00:22:42,759 --> 00:22:47,400 question for Mick, but we'll get to that in a minute. I get 304 00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:48,880 along with the military guys. Oh you know, if they were over there 305 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:53,240 shooting their them force or whatever. I say, guys, yeah, I 306 00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:56,880 want to check us out, Tyle. That's HK ninety one out see which 307 00:22:56,920 --> 00:23:00,839 thing about it? Yeah, but they'll they'll be a thousand conspiracy theorists out 308 00:23:00,839 --> 00:23:07,160 there going you see, this is why it's a government cover up. But 309 00:23:07,319 --> 00:23:11,440 really to me. It sounds so vocalized that they were They weren't out there, 310 00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:15,880 They didn't show up after youwhere there. They were there when you showed 311 00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:19,640 up. Correct, Yeah, yeah, yeah, And I have talked to 312 00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:26,160 people since. Uh just coincidentally enough, it was like a month maybe six 313 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:32,759 weeks after that incident, I had while Blackburn on the show, on my 314 00:23:32,799 --> 00:23:37,200 show, and I was interviewing him and now I'm sorry, it was Kindrar. 315 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:44,079 I always get those two confused. Yeah, kindrar garhard have you pronounce 316 00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:48,359 it? And I shared that experience with him just to get his opinion, 317 00:23:48,759 --> 00:23:52,880 and he told me about one of the books that he written. He interviewed 318 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:59,960 a gentleman that did his military training for the Armies in the Blue Ridge Mountains. 319 00:24:00,519 --> 00:24:07,759 So it's pretty known that that area they do simulations, simulations, and 320 00:24:07,799 --> 00:24:11,000 he wouldn't give me the name. Obviously, he never shared the guy's name. 321 00:24:11,519 --> 00:24:15,200 And you may be aware of this guy, but I certainly wasn't. 322 00:24:15,559 --> 00:24:22,000 But this guy told Ken that when they got their field manuals to go out 323 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:26,680 there and do the training that in there it states what to do if you 324 00:24:26,799 --> 00:24:33,960 encounter a sasquatch. That is that is very true. There was another story 325 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:40,279 told by Sergeant Todd Nice out in Oregon, who actually retired from the military, 326 00:24:40,559 --> 00:24:45,599 who confirmed that. And somewhere there is a copy of that actual manual 327 00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:51,160 out there that says that there and they say not to shoot at the Sasquatch 328 00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:56,680 and not to you know that they generally will leave once they realize human presences 329 00:24:56,680 --> 00:25:00,759 in the area. So but their acknowledging there, it is the government acknowledging 330 00:25:00,799 --> 00:25:06,000 that these things are real. YEP, do not disagree with that. But 331 00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:12,000 that's one department of a government that has many departments. And while one department 332 00:25:12,039 --> 00:25:15,240 may say, hey, these things exist, other departments may say, we 333 00:25:15,319 --> 00:25:19,160 don't, you know, believe in it. The department, yeah, but 334 00:25:19,319 --> 00:25:23,640 get somebody that's in charge of that that training. You know, the one 335 00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:26,559 of the commanding officers probably got some reports from the guy say hey, we 336 00:25:26,559 --> 00:25:30,359 were at here and we saw a big hairy thing out in the woods and 337 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:33,640 it was walking on two legs. You know, so they would might typically 338 00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:37,160 up late, upgrade their pamphlet a little bit to tell everybody, well, 339 00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:44,279 you can expect to see something harry on two legs. Uh bill. That 340 00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:48,960 would I believe it was the Army training manual because sergeant A. Niche is 341 00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:56,359 from the the Army was Army. He retired. They believe a a uh 342 00:25:56,880 --> 00:26:03,680 uh first sergeant believe m album they do around the well that area. I 343 00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:08,079 think they did like field training and maybe survival or survival school, I think 344 00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:14,599 is what that was. Okay, And I know to get to that location, 345 00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:19,160 guys, it was almost an hour of ten mile an hour driving on 346 00:26:19,319 --> 00:26:25,279 some of the roughest roads I've ever been on, gravel pitted out, and 347 00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:27,960 it was forty five minutes to an hour to get there. That's how deep 348 00:26:29,559 --> 00:26:37,200 into the woods this place was. It was out there, Chris, take 349 00:26:37,279 --> 00:26:40,799 it for a second. I'm going to do a quick bunch of research on 350 00:26:40,839 --> 00:26:47,319 the show. Quest I'm trying to do the trying to scan the chat here. 351 00:26:48,759 --> 00:26:53,519 So you, uh Wayne, I know we were talking a little bit 352 00:26:53,559 --> 00:27:00,440 before the show. You just finished it a little tradition outing somewhere in Kentucky. 353 00:27:00,519 --> 00:27:03,599 Do you want to talk about that any or Yeah, I'd be happy 354 00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:07,839 to. I'll see my good buddy Troy from Tennessee and in the chat Troy 355 00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:12,480 and I. Yeah, Troy and I headed out for a weekend outing. 356 00:27:14,319 --> 00:27:18,880 We met up about ten o'clock Friday, morning Friday was awesome, the weather 357 00:27:19,039 --> 00:27:23,960 was great. Everything went to plan, and when we went to bed Friday 358 00:27:25,079 --> 00:27:27,480 night, about two o'clock in the morning, the bottom fell out. It 359 00:27:27,519 --> 00:27:33,480 started raining, and it rained for twenty two hours. I'm not exaggerating, 360 00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:37,480 I'm not kidding, twenty two hours with it didn't stop. So it was 361 00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:45,039 we're gonna call it Mudfest twenty twenty four because it was just mist got some 362 00:27:45,079 --> 00:27:49,240 cool vocalizations, no sighting or anything like that, but it was a great 363 00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:53,720 time, had a great time with ther lbl was a destination, a bucket 364 00:27:53,720 --> 00:28:00,400 list destination for me, and I'll be back. Yeah, I think it's 365 00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:02,880 a good area, you know. You know, I don't know where. 366 00:28:03,319 --> 00:28:06,640 There's a lot of reports that comes out of that area, and I'm not 367 00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:11,119 too certain about the dog Man ones, but you know, I think that 368 00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:14,119 there's a lot of merit and some of the bigfoot reports has coming out of 369 00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:17,960 the area and some of the Yeah, I was interested and I wanted to 370 00:28:18,319 --> 00:28:22,960 get you guys take tonight on what y'all thought dog Man was. We certainly 371 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:26,599 don't have to right now, but I would be interested and to see what 372 00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:30,880 y'all thought about dog Man. Well, you know, for me, you 373 00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:34,599 know, Okay, I'm I'm I'm a skeptic at heart. Now, don't 374 00:28:34,599 --> 00:28:38,880 give it. Don't take that the wrong way. I am firmly convinced that 375 00:28:40,319 --> 00:28:44,240 these bigfoot creatures exist because I've seen it with my own eyes. But now 376 00:28:44,359 --> 00:28:48,920 dog Man, I've not seen and I've not heard anybody around here locally that's 377 00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:52,200 seen one here. So if they do exist, you know, it's going 378 00:28:52,279 --> 00:28:57,480 to be somewhere other than from around here. But anyway, I just kind 379 00:28:57,519 --> 00:29:03,480 of wonder if it couldn't be, you know, people mistaken a bear a 380 00:29:03,519 --> 00:29:07,880 bear a bigfoot because it seemed like to me, you know, the bear's 381 00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:12,000 got the long snout and stuff, and if they're standing on their hind legs. 382 00:29:12,559 --> 00:29:17,119 You know, I just wondering if it could be a case of mistaken 383 00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:22,000 identity. We know what, Wayne, I don't know. Just like you 384 00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:27,400 said just then, I to be honest and to sum it up, I 385 00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:30,039 don't know what to think about dog Man. I'm not going to say it 386 00:29:30,039 --> 00:29:33,960 doesn't exist. I'm not going to say it does. But when I first 387 00:29:33,039 --> 00:29:37,079 started hearing about dog Man, I thought it was silly. I thought it 388 00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:41,000 was a joke. I thought we let's worry about Bigfoot until we shift gears, 389 00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:45,519 before we shift gears and start worrying about this giant dog on two legs 390 00:29:45,519 --> 00:29:48,319 it's eating people. I thought it was silly. I thought it well for 391 00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:52,039 the people that are seen one. I thought it was a misidentified big boot. 392 00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:55,160 You know, everyone talks about these different classes of big butt that are 393 00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:57,960 out there, different tops. I don't know how they know that, but 394 00:30:00,279 --> 00:30:10,319 stay tuned for more paranormal odyssey. If that's true, and there are different 395 00:30:10,359 --> 00:30:12,880 types, who's to say that we there's not a top that looks like this. 396 00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:18,640 So I was thinking maybe a misidentified bigfoot. But the more people I've 397 00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:23,799 talked to over the years and given that theory to, they don't. They're 398 00:30:23,839 --> 00:30:29,240 always adamant. No, this was something completely different. This was a dog 399 00:30:30,119 --> 00:30:33,039 that had a man's body. So I don't know. I don't. I'm 400 00:30:33,079 --> 00:30:37,119 never gonna call anybody a liar, but I would I would like to. 401 00:30:37,119 --> 00:30:40,480 I just don't know what to think about it. Yeah, I think so 402 00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:45,240 here here's my take a bet here, I'm the dog man. Is in 403 00:30:45,279 --> 00:30:48,680 some cases you have a man's body with a dog face. Some cases you 404 00:30:48,799 --> 00:30:55,599 have age just a large dog with dog like legs to boot. To me, 405 00:30:55,759 --> 00:31:00,440 there's a lot of inconsistency in it, and it's kind of like the 406 00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:08,640 slender Man's sightings. They were generated due to Internet perusal. This all started 407 00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:17,000 primarily with the Beast of Bray Road. And I don't know. Is it 408 00:31:17,119 --> 00:31:25,480 just an oversized wolf? Who knows? But definitely if it's got dog like 409 00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:30,440 legs, that's not conduced as the bipedal movement at all. So let's put 410 00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:36,680 that. Let's put that right out there. It would be wipingly uncomfortable, 411 00:31:36,799 --> 00:31:38,359 you know, trying to walk on two legs that its legs are built like. 412 00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:48,720 So I think what we have is a combination of one misidentification of either 413 00:31:48,759 --> 00:31:55,920 a bear or possibly even a sasquatch. Two we have a paranormal element to 414 00:31:55,960 --> 00:32:01,359 it a lot of times. So is it they experienced something paranormal that's not 415 00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:07,000 either Bigfoot or CRYPTI it's strictly paranormal and that's how it's manifesting. Or three 416 00:32:08,559 --> 00:32:15,920 all the other explanations between hoaxes and psychological you know issues, And I think 417 00:32:16,119 --> 00:32:22,039 that's where the three lie in. I do not see this as anything viable. 418 00:32:22,079 --> 00:32:27,839 There's some people that will always tell stories like the famous LBL story of 419 00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:32,319 a family getting any but there's never any official government corroboration. There's no family 420 00:32:32,359 --> 00:32:36,079 members that are coming because you know what, my family got eaten by a 421 00:32:36,079 --> 00:32:38,839 dog man. You're damn straight. They would be on the news and you 422 00:32:39,519 --> 00:32:44,920 filmed by somebody saying, yes, my auntie and my uncle got eaten, 423 00:32:45,039 --> 00:32:49,200 and my cousin Luigi, he got eaten by a dog man. Right, 424 00:32:49,279 --> 00:32:52,720 it doesn't happen. Funny thing is I had an uncle Luigi, and when 425 00:32:52,759 --> 00:32:57,640 he passed away, my aunt Luisa put his viagra down the toilet. She 426 00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:00,920 couldn't get the toilet seat to come down for a week anyway, anyway, 427 00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:07,079 Yeah, I mean I wouldn't. I wouldn't. I wouldn't definitely rule it 428 00:33:07,119 --> 00:33:10,359 out. But you know, I've not seen it. So the only smart 429 00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:15,519 answer I can say is I don't know, but I think it may be 430 00:33:15,559 --> 00:33:20,359 a misidentification. But I don't know. Yeah, you know, Stevee brought 431 00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:25,880 up that family that was massacred years ago. One of our buddies, Mike 432 00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:31,519 Smith, he's been on with He's been on a couple shows sharing his experiences. 433 00:33:31,839 --> 00:33:36,799 He lived close lived close to the LBO, and he stopped by Saturday 434 00:33:36,839 --> 00:33:40,319 night and hung out with this He's lived there his entire life, and we 435 00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:45,200 talked a little bit about that, because I asked him about that and some 436 00:33:45,319 --> 00:33:47,640 other things that had gone on in the LBO, and he said, back 437 00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:52,279 when it happened, there was all kinds of talk in the town in the 438 00:33:52,400 --> 00:34:00,319 area like this actually happened, and they were covering it up somehow. Take 439 00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:02,920 that for what you will. I don't know, but that that's a local 440 00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:09,639 that was there during the time that remembers it. But I have to say 441 00:34:09,679 --> 00:34:14,079 that he said, there was a lot of people talking about it. Yeah, 442 00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:20,519 right, and we know how the rumor mill starts, you get, 443 00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:22,320 Yeah, I mean, look at uh. And I don't know if people 444 00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:29,280 are familiar with the Delphi murders O the two young ladies that disappear, and 445 00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:34,280 they finally got her killer into custody, their killer into custody this past the 446 00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:37,079 summer. But the internet was going bonkers. It was this guy. No, 447 00:34:37,199 --> 00:34:38,920 it was this guy. No, it was that guy. No. 448 00:34:39,039 --> 00:34:42,280 I heard they did this. I heard they did that. I heard they 449 00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:46,960 did that. None of them were correct. Yeah, so a lot of 450 00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:52,360 time when you have scuttle but it's taken with people have a little bit of 451 00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:58,360 knowledge and that becomes dangerous. Sometimes it's dangerous, right, So do I 452 00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:04,000 think maybe that's part of it was their recover up? You know, the 453 00:35:04,079 --> 00:35:07,519 cover up is, oh they said it was perhaps it was a bear. 454 00:35:08,599 --> 00:35:13,800 You know what if it was a bear they did all that, or a 455 00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:19,840 big cat did that? You know, they're going to keep that. They 456 00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:25,039 want to keep that quiet too. We remember the movie Jaws. Remember they 457 00:35:25,079 --> 00:35:30,480 wanted to keep that quiet because they didn't want the beaches to close. Yeah, 458 00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:36,960 right, so there may be a real world explanation for it that, 459 00:35:37,159 --> 00:35:39,639 you know, is the reason why they may have wanted to keep some things 460 00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:45,360 quiet. But then again, what if they thought foul play was suspect? 461 00:35:45,559 --> 00:35:52,239 You know, has anybody produced the names of the people? No, No, 462 00:35:52,679 --> 00:35:57,599 it's not in the story. And I'm going to I'm going to tell 463 00:35:57,639 --> 00:36:02,639 you straight up that that there would be a family member if if this really 464 00:36:02,679 --> 00:36:07,679 actually occurred, saying, hey, my so and so was murdered or killed 465 00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:13,360 in the LBL. But that is yet to happen. Yeah, who was 466 00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:15,559 that guy very recently in the last couple of years that came out and claimed 467 00:36:15,599 --> 00:36:20,000 to have been there. You remember that I heard about that. Yeah, 468 00:36:20,079 --> 00:36:22,880 yeah, And of course no names were dropped to the people that were involved, 469 00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:27,880 of course not. So what is that telling you? We get the 470 00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:32,519 same thing with them scooping dead big foot bodies in a forest fire in Nevada. 471 00:36:32,599 --> 00:36:37,800 We get the same thing about the Mount Saint Helen's grabbing them that loft 472 00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:43,320 of the Mount Saint Helens eruption. One name to it, just a person 473 00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:46,119 talking, and no other names are associated with it. That's an issue with 474 00:36:46,159 --> 00:36:53,119 that, the big issue with that. Yeah, yeah, I think it's 475 00:36:53,159 --> 00:36:59,519 good to keep a little healthy skepticism, you know. Absolutely. The thing 476 00:36:59,639 --> 00:37:04,199 is years ago I first read that story The Beast of LBL. I read 477 00:37:04,199 --> 00:37:08,000 that on online, and to me, I got that it was a fiction 478 00:37:08,159 --> 00:37:13,920 work by you know, somebody had a little bit of talent. Uh, 479 00:37:15,119 --> 00:37:19,679 but uh, there was just a lot of a lot of things in there 480 00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:22,519 that didn't didn't match up. Now, Tennessee Cherokee piped in said, there's 481 00:37:22,519 --> 00:37:30,599 also no law enforcement reports, hospitals or corner reports, right exactly. That's 482 00:37:30,639 --> 00:37:34,039 why you get tipped. You read something like that and you start checking into 483 00:37:34,039 --> 00:37:37,840 it, and then you find out, well, okay, this is yeah, 484 00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:45,360 you can yeah, and you combine a you canbine a story like that 485 00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:51,239 that's full of gossip and anecdotes and people talking and whispers, and add that 486 00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:55,760 with the X Files, which I do believe this account that this incident happened 487 00:37:57,199 --> 00:38:01,599 while the X Files was airing. Really that would have probably been about ride. 488 00:38:01,679 --> 00:38:05,760 Yeah, that's that's a pretty long time ago, back in the nineties. 489 00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:08,960 Yeah, it was right, and that's when the X Files was airing. 490 00:38:09,039 --> 00:38:14,480 So of course, here's this. It's a government conspiracy. You know, 491 00:38:15,519 --> 00:38:21,840 let's face it, you know, do government conspiracy? Do government conspiracies 492 00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:23,920 exist? Well, yes they do. We're finding that out with the UAP 493 00:38:24,079 --> 00:38:31,320 for now. But but it has to deal with national security. A family 494 00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:37,880 getting malled or malled to death in a in a national park. I believe 495 00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:43,119 l b L is a national park, at least the state park. It's 496 00:38:43,159 --> 00:38:47,880 a national recreation. It's a national because I've been there, you know, 497 00:38:49,599 --> 00:38:55,440 in a national park. Will not send in the ultra secret group in there 498 00:38:55,480 --> 00:39:00,159 to figure out what it is, because the first thing you're going to you 499 00:39:00,599 --> 00:39:06,320 if I'm a ranger or a forest rangers and I have something find people dead, 500 00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:08,280 you know, I'm going to look around. I'm going to call the 501 00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:14,119 appropriate forensic authorities. But I'm gonna say, all this things looked like they 502 00:39:14,159 --> 00:39:19,519 were killed by an animal, right? Does that is that gonna? Is 503 00:39:19,559 --> 00:39:22,880 that going to blow the whistle? No, because it happens all the time 504 00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:28,480 in national parks, happens in Yellowstone, you know. So to me, 505 00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:32,960 it's it. You know, it's the Internet. Internet that's pretty close to 506 00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:40,800 the Internet. The Internet, the Internet, all the Internet internets going crazy 507 00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:45,960 on it. Mike, Mike Smith, the gentlemen I was talking about that 508 00:39:45,119 --> 00:39:49,559 was a local just literally just now text me. I thought I'd come across 509 00:39:49,599 --> 00:39:53,039 my watch and said that it was the late seventies, early eighties. He 510 00:39:53,199 --> 00:39:59,360 thought, that's a long time. Yeah, a long time. So I 511 00:40:00,159 --> 00:40:02,000 I don't know, you know, to me, you know, like I 512 00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:07,840 said, that whole Delphi thing is a great example of and that other guy 513 00:40:08,079 --> 00:40:12,760 which is named Colberger, the guy that killed the folks out in the in 514 00:40:13,039 --> 00:40:17,880 Idaho the dorm. That's another one where the internet's going crazy about this, 515 00:40:19,079 --> 00:40:22,480 making claims of this and claims of that, and they don't know. And 516 00:40:22,639 --> 00:40:25,679 just like the Delphi things, they didn't really they found a lot of people 517 00:40:25,679 --> 00:40:30,159 found out they were wrong when the actual complaints started and the paperwork started getting 518 00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:40,679 leaved. Yeah, you're a big true crime Steve. I do follow true 519 00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:44,840 crime. Course, that's back, you know again part of my investigative nature, 520 00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:49,719 so I see it unsolved or something like that, and having a background 521 00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:57,960 in forensic interviewing and and and some psychology based on Boom, it does kind 522 00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:00,800 of spurn my interest to take a look and see how they play out. 523 00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:04,880 And I watched consistently. You know how the internet just blows up, you 524 00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:08,840 know, all these crazy things. Look at the UAP video that Jeremy and 525 00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:15,239 I'll just go really really simple. You have the Miami alien invasion there at 526 00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:20,719 the mall, completely internet based, completely spun out of control to me, 527 00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:23,239 you know, Oh, well, there was two hundred police officers there well, 528 00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:28,280 of course, because there was a huge fight between a couple of bunches 529 00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:30,880 of kids which could have been gang related. At the same time that was 530 00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:35,760 going on, some kids also lit off some firecrackers which could mint gunshots, 531 00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:39,480 so they probably got reports of shots fired. It's Miami, It's Miami. 532 00:41:40,119 --> 00:41:44,360 Like I said, in this area, you will get fifty to sixty cops 533 00:41:44,519 --> 00:41:49,719 showing up at a mall here in upstate New York that has a population completely 534 00:41:50,079 --> 00:41:53,039 in the whole entire area of about two hundred thousand people. Right, So 535 00:41:53,079 --> 00:41:59,119 if you can get sixty cops and two hundred and a two hundred thousand population, 536 00:41:59,679 --> 00:42:01,639 getting a couple of hundred cops in a mall and a population that has 537 00:42:01,679 --> 00:42:07,440 over a million, well that's not too incredible to me. Yeah, that's 538 00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:12,320 what I thought regarding that whole thing. Uh, when you if you were 539 00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:16,159 to mention a mass shooter, mass shooting that's active, you're gonna have every 540 00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:21,920 damn cop in the area that's there. So the fact that there were so 541 00:42:22,119 --> 00:42:24,480 many police officers there, I mean for a teenage pot, yeah that would 542 00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:30,320 be overkill. But you start talking about the authorities are getting reports of a 543 00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:35,519 mass shooter, an active shooter, then yeah, it's gonna it's gonna draw 544 00:42:35,559 --> 00:42:42,000 the attention of everyone. And then the same day that Corbell dropped that UAP 545 00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:46,000 video, the Jellyfish video, which I'm sure most people have seen by now, 546 00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:50,920 there was some YouTube channel that came out there and said, oh, 547 00:42:51,119 --> 00:42:55,760 debunked, Yes, it's CGI, but he doesn't show any reason why it's 548 00:42:55,760 --> 00:43:01,079 debunked as CGI. That right, just gives his opinion and of course, 549 00:43:01,119 --> 00:43:06,239 when the Pentagon was asked about the jellyfish video, was it authentic? They 550 00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:14,880 said no comment, yeah right, meaning yes, what right? It was 551 00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:19,159 fake? They'd boom. We do have a couple of questions out there in 552 00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:22,920 chat. First one is from Meck who says question for Wayne, would you 553 00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:25,800 walk through the smoke ees in the dead and knight when there's no moon out? 554 00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:32,559 By myself? Absolutely not. If I had company, I would because 555 00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:38,800 I mean I still wouldn't be comfortable with it even with company, But I 556 00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:44,079 feel like there's safety in numbers when it comes to these things. If you're 557 00:43:44,079 --> 00:43:50,920 in a group, you're I think less likely to have an interaction versus if 558 00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:54,119 you were by yourself. So to answer that alone, no, with the 559 00:43:54,159 --> 00:43:59,599 group, I think it'd be pretty cool. Truthfully, you know what, 560 00:43:59,679 --> 00:44:04,039 I I wouldn't do it either. Yes, I've charged after a sasquatch before, 561 00:44:04,159 --> 00:44:06,920 or I bought. What I bought was a sasquatch where it's coming from 562 00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:10,840 by myself. But I'm not afraid of the sasquatch as I am afraid of 563 00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:17,320 other animals such as bears and wildcat. That where strengthened numbers is needed. 564 00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:21,440 So if I was to walk into an area I was unfamiliar with, or 565 00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:25,840 specifically what type of predators are out in those woods. Yes, of course 566 00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:29,519 I'm taking somebody with me. If I'm taking a few people with me, 567 00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:32,719 because there are strengthened numbers. I have walked down a hill in my own 568 00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:37,039 domain where I know what animals are out there, and have hurt something approaching 569 00:44:37,079 --> 00:44:42,599 me that was rather large, and that occurred on a podcast a couple of 570 00:44:42,679 --> 00:44:45,960 years ago when we did the exhibition to the mountain. I merely stopped where 571 00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:52,239 I was and got my Mike and technical bigfoot research. I got him down 572 00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:55,039 there with me, right because I don't know what's in there. I don't 573 00:44:55,039 --> 00:44:58,719 know if a moose is coming out. I don't know if it's a bear, 574 00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:02,239 wild cat. I pretty much can rule out for this area, they're 575 00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:07,679 very rare. So you know, I was more concerned that bear was going 576 00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:12,840 to pop out of those woods. The next question is have I investigated the 577 00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:17,440 LBL at all? So I will say this and allow me to tell my 578 00:45:17,679 --> 00:45:24,280 LBL story real quick. I was an LBL in two thousand and six, 579 00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:37,400 two thousand and seven, So anyway you yeah, no, no, that 580 00:45:37,559 --> 00:45:44,679 was that was That was well anyway, So we go out and we leave 581 00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:47,880 Steve Dismore back alone in camp, and he was under the instructions to stay 582 00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:51,960 in camp. Listen, don't do anything to provoke. We're going to be 583 00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:54,239 out in the middle of nowhere. We did know there was an occupied camp 584 00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:58,679 up the road to our right, or on the same side of the road 585 00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:04,920 as we were, that had a rather large group of college students that you 586 00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:07,800 know, we had already visited ones, and they understood what we were doing, 587 00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:08,840 and they you know, said, okay, you know, they promised 588 00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:14,800 they were going to keep quiet in the complete opposite direction and across the road 589 00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:17,000 from where our camp was, where there was nobody. There was no camping 590 00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:22,239 on the other side of the road because it was two mountains, you know, 591 00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:24,280 the other side of the road went up to a mountain and our road 592 00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:34,760 dead ended to the lake. So we hear bang bang bang bang bang, 593 00:46:35,119 --> 00:46:39,000 bang, tree knocks, bang, bang bang, and it went on three 594 00:46:39,039 --> 00:46:45,719 or four times. So we decided, you know, and we're watching that 595 00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:47,920 now. Mind you, we are completely blacked out. We are very night 596 00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:52,400 vision and we can see everything. We don't need to move with lights, 597 00:46:52,039 --> 00:46:58,599 and we look over the college students for some reason are moving towards our camp 598 00:46:58,639 --> 00:47:00,800 a little bit, not on the on the road, but in the woods 599 00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:04,920 a little bit, and they had flashlights going like they were listening for something 600 00:47:05,039 --> 00:47:08,440 or they had heard something, and they're all looking around. But then we 601 00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:12,039 hear these tree knocks, so we turn around and go back to camp. 602 00:47:12,519 --> 00:47:14,960 We get back to camp. It was only like a five, you know, 603 00:47:15,079 --> 00:47:17,159 three to five minute walk. We get back there and Dismore is sitting 604 00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:22,559 in a chair pointing to where we were here in the tree knocks, and 605 00:47:22,599 --> 00:47:28,559 his eyes were biggest saucers and he's like, hey, I don't know what 606 00:47:28,599 --> 00:47:30,079 to say. It's pretty damn close, but it was. You know, 607 00:47:30,079 --> 00:47:34,920 it was a cross street in the wood area. So at that point in 608 00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:38,239 time, I'm putting one in one together. I'm a tactician. So I'm 609 00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:44,440 standing there at the very foot of the lake and somebody asked me what I 610 00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:46,400 think. I said, Well, we got the college students looking for something. 611 00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:49,599 So they heard something over there. They weren't quite sure what it was. 612 00:47:49,639 --> 00:47:52,320 There was something rustling. Then we got tree knocking over here. I'm 613 00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:55,840 wondering if one is over on this side of the road and the other one 614 00:47:55,920 --> 00:48:00,360 is trying to say, hey, I'm over here. And meanwhile, right 615 00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:09,039 now it's dead quiet. I need to peep in the forest. So we 616 00:48:09,199 --> 00:48:14,199 decide, after about fifteen minutes, let's all go up the road a bit 617 00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:17,039 take a walk. So we're gonna just leave the camp abandoned. We get 618 00:48:17,079 --> 00:48:22,679 maybe fifty seventy five feet out of camp and we hear this running through the 619 00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:34,559 camp, running from the area which is populated over to the running to the 620 00:48:34,639 --> 00:48:38,199 area where the tree knocking was occurred. And we were all accounted for and 621 00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:43,760 there was nobody at our six because we were the dead end. Can't answer 622 00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:45,440 it, can't explain it. Is it bigfoot? I don't know, but 623 00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:52,760 it was quite interesting. So that's my LBL experience. Yeah, that was 624 00:48:52,800 --> 00:49:00,159 pretty cool. I've been out there too with the same gentleman and hey, 625 00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:06,280 what can somebody commented and chat earlier that there was like one road. There's 626 00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:08,679 more than one road that runs through. There's one main road that runs through 627 00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:12,599 LBL, but once you get off there, there's all kinds of these, 628 00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:19,800 uh that goes from gravel to dirt to mud to swamp. We definitely were 629 00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:22,760 on dirt roads. Yeah, it's all all through the whole area. You 630 00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:27,599 know, where you can actually you know, you don't have to hike six 631 00:49:27,679 --> 00:49:30,199 miles to camp out. You can drive out and then camp out, you 632 00:49:30,199 --> 00:49:35,920 know, somewhere near the the dirt road there. But uh, it's it's 633 00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:39,599 kind of remote, it really is. Yeah, it's a it's an interesting 634 00:49:39,679 --> 00:49:45,159 place there. There are places in there that definitely have the creep factor. 635 00:49:45,639 --> 00:49:51,199 There were times this weekend that I was I was creeped out. Uh, 636 00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:55,800 I had that feeling like something was watching me. Yeah, something was in 637 00:49:55,800 --> 00:50:00,599 the area and I both not. Friday night and Saturday night. I heard 638 00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:05,679 talking. I know I heard talking. And the whole time we were there, 639 00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:09,400 guys, we saw eight I think Tory counted ten, maybe ten or 640 00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:15,840 eleven vehicles the whole time we were there, you know, for almost three 641 00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:20,719 days. No, it wasn't busy, no one was there. And I 642 00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:23,199 know I heard talking. I heard talking, and it seemed like I heard 643 00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:30,039 kind of sounded like a car door closing, that thud kind of it wasn't 644 00:50:30,039 --> 00:50:32,719 a wood knock, but it what didn't sound like a car door either. 645 00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:37,559 But I heard talking, that kind of talking that we've all heard. It's 646 00:50:37,559 --> 00:50:39,920 in a distance, you can't make it out. You don't even know if 647 00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:45,960 it's English that they're speaking. That's so far and no more than ten choices. 648 00:50:46,639 --> 00:50:52,039 I mean, there was no one there on weekend, and there's just 649 00:50:52,079 --> 00:50:55,840 something about that place. Man. It definitely, it definitely has the creep 650 00:50:55,840 --> 00:51:01,760 factor. I will. It didn't that there was another incident that had occurred, 651 00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:06,480 and I wish I had a recorder going at that time. But we 652 00:51:06,639 --> 00:51:13,119 heard some screams coming out of the woods and it was immediately followed up by 653 00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:17,000 a little bit and change the direction of some coyotes m h and the same 654 00:51:17,079 --> 00:51:22,360 thing. And then we heard almost like a coyote being strangled. And then 655 00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:28,800 all of a sudden, everything just went dead silent. And when I went 656 00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:34,679 out there with Steve Dismore, I mean Scott went now that that was the 657 00:51:34,719 --> 00:51:38,920 next day after he had had a sighting, and we investigated the spot were 658 00:51:39,079 --> 00:51:43,719 exact spot where he had deciding and I looked, man, I was on 659 00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:46,079 my hands and knees looking for tracks. I couldn't find any tracks, but 660 00:51:46,599 --> 00:51:52,920 there were there was some vegetation that had been flattened, you know, and 661 00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:57,239 it was easy to tell these little long spinley horse weeds, you know, 662 00:51:57,599 --> 00:52:00,840 some of those had been flattened out and they were completely flat on the ground. 663 00:52:00,119 --> 00:52:04,920 But over in that area to where he had saw it, the ground 664 00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:07,519 was pretty solid, so you know, it was pretty tough and we couldn't 665 00:52:07,679 --> 00:52:14,920 couldn't find any tracks but the super super area. And if it was closer, 666 00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:19,400 I would spend more time there. But man, that's long drive. 667 00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:24,239 That's western far western Kentucky. And of a long drive, I'm over here 668 00:52:24,239 --> 00:52:29,360 closer to the middle, you know, I feel the exact same, Chris 669 00:52:29,519 --> 00:52:32,360 Uh. Like I said, I'm in southeast Tennessee. It was an almost 670 00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:37,239 a four hour drive for me to get there, but it was a doable 671 00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:43,119 bucket list location for me. I've always wanted to check it out well always 672 00:52:43,159 --> 00:52:46,760 since joining the Big Book community, I heard so many things about it and 673 00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:52,119 something else that blows me away. Maybe some of the listeners or the viewers 674 00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:58,519 can help us with this. How many cemeteries there are an LBL. I 675 00:52:58,599 --> 00:53:01,960 heard a report of a couple hundred, but I don't know. But and 676 00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:07,480 when I say that, I mean like small family cemeteries like that. Maybe 677 00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:13,840 the people that lived there before the flooding took place. If it's my understanding, 678 00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:17,159 there were homes there and we actually went to a hotel California. Are 679 00:53:17,199 --> 00:53:23,360 you familiar with that, Chris, it's the Ramor House maybe to Todd Will 680 00:53:23,559 --> 00:53:29,000 I mean Troy Will correct me, the gentleman that built the house. But 681 00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:34,280 it's a concrete, two story house and they took it from him. I 682 00:53:34,559 --> 00:53:37,599 guess they bought it from him when they did the flooding. He that was 683 00:53:37,599 --> 00:53:43,079 supposed to be his retirement home. And it's still standing. There are no 684 00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:47,280 exterior walls, but it's all block and concrete. And we went. I 685 00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:50,760 got some really cool pictures. I did a video from there. I'm going 686 00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:57,000 to be releasing it on my YouTube channel. But it's just a little cool 687 00:53:57,000 --> 00:54:01,440 places like that that there were actually homes there that people lost. And if 688 00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:06,840 there were homes, you know, there were other cemeteries that were disturbed, 689 00:54:06,920 --> 00:54:12,559 grave sites that were disturbed, and you hear about the paranormal stuff that goes 690 00:54:12,599 --> 00:54:16,639 on. We found a cool little cemetery as the crow Flies. It wasn't 691 00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:21,800 very far at all from our campsite, and that was our plan Saturday night 692 00:54:21,960 --> 00:54:27,159 to head out there and spend most of the night sitting there. But the 693 00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:30,719 road to get there it was going to be we drove through it, but 694 00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:35,559 there were some times where it's one of those you know what pucker in moments. 695 00:54:36,039 --> 00:54:38,760 You know, you don't know if you want to make it through that 696 00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:43,760 area. But we wanted to spend the night there because we've all heard about 697 00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:51,320 that possible connection or believe connection with bigfoot and cemeteries. I thought it makes 698 00:54:51,360 --> 00:54:53,920 perfect sense. I mean, it's all the believed cemeteries that are in that 699 00:54:54,039 --> 00:54:59,559 place to have all this activity. Yeah, well that is strange because there 700 00:54:59,679 --> 00:55:06,239 was actually in New York story of a bigfoot being spotted in a cemetery. 701 00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:13,320 Yeah, up in the uh I want to say huts, not Hudson Falls 702 00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:17,360 further north, but anyway, Uh, that bigfoot spotted in Washington County at 703 00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:21,840 a cemetery or near a cemetery. Yeah, I believe. I believe that. 704 00:55:21,880 --> 00:55:24,639 I believe it. And there was actually one in Saratoga County in the 705 00:55:24,719 --> 00:55:30,519 eighties. Yeah. Yeah, two of your your viewers just coming at two 706 00:55:30,599 --> 00:55:34,880 hundred and seventy cemeteries and that's the number that I heard that. That's the 707 00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:37,360 kind of number that you hear and you think that's got to be a mistake. 708 00:55:37,719 --> 00:55:40,440 Wow. But I've heard from several different people and driving through there, 709 00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:45,000 you see them man everywhere. Yeah, I couldn't speak to it because I've 710 00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:47,119 not been all over LBL. The only only place I had went was that 711 00:55:47,239 --> 00:55:52,639 one area where Discmar had that sighting that that we was checking out. You 712 00:55:52,639 --> 00:55:55,239 know, welcome. The Walkee says, they're all also are still graves in 713 00:55:55,280 --> 00:56:00,440 the lake as well. Yeah. Kind of creepy to think about, isn't 714 00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:09,920 it. Anyway, I did do a little research on our on our Army 715 00:56:09,920 --> 00:56:14,679 manual thing. I cannot find a copy of that anywhere right now, so 716 00:56:14,719 --> 00:56:19,400 I'm gonna put that in the question mark thing. This was not anything new, 717 00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:25,800 This was talked about fifteen twenty years ago. I do recall seeing the 718 00:56:25,840 --> 00:56:30,960 manual at one point the Army Corps of Engineers, the Army Corps of Engineers 719 00:56:30,079 --> 00:56:36,559 released there. Now, I did find the Army Corps Engineers one, but 720 00:56:36,639 --> 00:56:38,239 I didn't actually find the manual. And I'm not sure if it was an 721 00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:43,320 Army manual, could have been a marine manual for the Marines. I'm not 722 00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:47,639 quite sure where it was. I always thought it was Marines, but so 723 00:56:47,679 --> 00:56:54,440 I don't know. The person to talk to would be about Todd nice so, 724 00:56:57,239 --> 00:57:00,400 but I can't find and it may just be lost some or in the 725 00:57:00,519 --> 00:57:04,280 internet somewhere somewhere, but it's just lost in the internet. I don't know. 726 00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:14,639 I did. I did some investigation a long time ago about the Beast 727 00:57:14,719 --> 00:57:20,800 of LBL story that was on online, and this was probably when it first 728 00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:24,880 was put online, because it's been a while. And actually I was really 729 00:57:24,920 --> 00:57:29,559 since this was a Kentucky I got, I took a very keen interest in 730 00:57:29,639 --> 00:57:36,400 it. I did make some phone calls and to the local law enforcement agencies 731 00:57:36,440 --> 00:57:39,440 of the area over there. And don't ask me who. I don't have 732 00:57:39,519 --> 00:57:44,719 no idea who I talked to you at that time. But there weren't any 733 00:57:45,119 --> 00:57:50,840 murder reports or anything of anything anybody being killed by an animal. I think 734 00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:54,480 they did have some shootings and I maybe a couple of stabbings or something, 735 00:57:54,679 --> 00:58:00,559 but they couldn't recall anything. But you know, they could have and shining 736 00:58:00,599 --> 00:58:07,480 me on too, you know, when the guy took the pot shot at 737 00:58:07,519 --> 00:58:12,800 the big Foot over at Mammoth Cave National Park. You know, I contacted 738 00:58:12,840 --> 00:58:15,679 those people and they trying of just kind of blew me off, you know 739 00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:19,599 that we don't want to talk about it. I was going to ask you 740 00:58:19,639 --> 00:58:25,079 about Mammoth Cave, Chris. Yeah, that, uh, a guy had 741 00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:29,760 supposedly took the guy that took a shot at one. Yeah. He. 742 00:58:30,639 --> 00:58:34,960 I did some investigating around here, and you know, I talked to some 743 00:58:35,079 --> 00:58:39,320 people that may or may not work there, and one of the guys told 744 00:58:39,320 --> 00:58:45,159 me he said that there were no charges against him. He said, it's 745 00:58:45,159 --> 00:58:51,760 it's illegal to discharge your weapon in the National Park unless you fear your your 746 00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:57,480 life was in danger. And since they did not charge him for discharging his 747 00:58:57,599 --> 00:59:00,760 weapon, that tells me there may have been so to that story. Now, 748 00:59:00,800 --> 00:59:05,920 somebody else got the police report and they blocked his name, so I 749 00:59:05,960 --> 00:59:08,880 can't tell you who it was. But uh, you know, there was 750 00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:14,719 some information on YouTube and somebody did some investigation, and that's great, that's 751 00:59:14,760 --> 00:59:19,320 fine. But they they said that he was probably a tweaker or a meth 752 00:59:19,400 --> 00:59:22,920 head. Well there it could have been. But here's some problems with that 753 00:59:23,039 --> 00:59:30,119 theory. One, he had a firearm and two, you know, he 754 00:59:30,239 --> 00:59:35,719 wasn't arrested for this, so they just did a police report. So if 755 00:59:35,800 --> 00:59:37,760 there wasn't something credible, you know, they would at least give it him 756 00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:42,960 a ticket for firing his weapon. In the National Court, but I don't 757 00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:50,320 think any of that happened. What about Mammoth Cage in general, Chrise, 758 00:59:50,519 --> 00:59:52,440 have you gotten any information from out of there as far as Big Whip, 759 00:59:54,880 --> 00:59:59,079 Yeah, I think they're in the area, you know, right along the 760 00:59:59,119 --> 01:00:09,360 Green River door stay tuned for more paranormal odyssey. Of course, in the 761 01:00:09,360 --> 01:00:14,559 Green River runs right through Mammoth Cave, you know, right through the northern 762 01:00:14,639 --> 01:00:19,440 section of Mammoth Cave National Park and that corridor there is a travel corridor, 763 01:00:19,519 --> 01:00:23,000 I believe for these creatures. So from time to time some are going to 764 01:00:23,039 --> 01:00:29,159 be spotted in the park as well as outside of the park. But yeah, 765 01:00:29,519 --> 01:00:34,199 we've had a few signings recorded around here, and you know, mostly 766 01:00:34,239 --> 01:00:40,400 have been credible. Uh. Mike's Tetan asked about the Beast of the thirty 767 01:00:40,440 --> 01:00:45,679 five millimeter footage Beast of Bray Road. I know, I know the video 768 01:00:45,840 --> 01:00:50,960 Mike is talking about, but that was not on Bray Road, or if 769 01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:54,719 it supposedly was on the road that is in Wisconsin. I think, right, 770 01:00:54,760 --> 01:00:58,760 I forget the name of the guy. I'm honest saying, I don't 771 01:00:58,760 --> 01:01:02,159 know why Garvey has come up as the name in my head, but yeah, 772 01:01:02,199 --> 01:01:06,599 there was a video of a dog I was supposedly taken out of the 773 01:01:06,639 --> 01:01:12,119 side window of a truck or something back in the sixties or whatever, and 774 01:01:12,320 --> 01:01:15,480 it transformed into like this. Yeah, that was all figured out to be 775 01:01:15,519 --> 01:01:22,360 a hoax, But I don't think it was bray Road necessarily. Okay, 776 01:01:22,440 --> 01:01:28,239 what do you guys think about caves? You think they use caves? No, 777 01:01:28,480 --> 01:01:32,639 I don't, because I think if they use caves, you Chris guys, 778 01:01:32,719 --> 01:01:37,239 but I think if they I only think they use cave with multiple exits, 779 01:01:37,800 --> 01:01:40,920 because if they were in caves with exits, guess what we would have 780 01:01:40,960 --> 01:01:45,199 cornered one by. Now I agree, I can I can see that. 781 01:01:45,599 --> 01:01:51,920 But also this brought up the question this weekend, with all the nasty weather 782 01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:54,960 that we had on not like that, in days like that where it's just 783 01:01:55,039 --> 01:01:59,679 constantly dumping on you, pouring rain, what do they do? Where do 784 01:01:59,719 --> 01:02:04,559 they get? Oh? Are they just set out somewhere and get Well, 785 01:02:04,599 --> 01:02:07,880 that's what that's what gorillas do, That's what chimpanzees do. There you go, 786 01:02:08,199 --> 01:02:14,719 that's where all the other primates do that with the exception of us. 787 01:02:15,199 --> 01:02:17,840 Yeah, you just answered that for me, Steve, I never considered that, 788 01:02:19,800 --> 01:02:23,719 just like all the other primates primary to live on the ground, you 789 01:02:23,760 --> 01:02:30,199 know, I mean now, yeah, but if they're in an area that's 790 01:02:30,519 --> 01:02:35,920 as caves or protection, it's common sense that they're going to use that, 791 01:02:36,360 --> 01:02:42,639 but they don't. In Africa, they don't. The only the only primate 792 01:02:42,719 --> 01:02:49,199 they found in caves were some families of baboons. That's about it. Other 793 01:02:49,280 --> 01:02:52,800 than that, the gorillas even though they had caves available to them, Chimpanzees 794 01:02:52,920 --> 01:02:59,440 even though they had caves available, the orangutans even though they had caves, 795 01:02:59,519 --> 01:03:04,320 especially in that Smatra area they have caves avaiabum, they don't utilize them. 796 01:03:05,039 --> 01:03:07,519 And there may and and the reason being is is they may have trepidation, 797 01:03:07,800 --> 01:03:12,159 Like we approach a cave is could there be a bearon there? Could there 798 01:03:12,199 --> 01:03:15,119 be a wildcat? There could be some other predator in there, So they 799 01:03:15,159 --> 01:03:21,440 avoid those areas. But in this case at Mammoth Cave, now there's there's 800 01:03:21,440 --> 01:03:27,280 some people that their job is to go in the cave and explore unexplored sections 801 01:03:27,320 --> 01:03:31,639 and map new areas of the cave. And U matter of fact, Josh 802 01:03:31,760 --> 01:03:37,360 Gates is kind of show I can't remember what it's called. I don't know 803 01:03:37,400 --> 01:03:44,400 if it's Expedition X or whatever. But one of the guys that explores those 804 01:03:44,440 --> 01:03:47,000 caves and maps them for a living does this for the government. Okay. 805 01:03:47,800 --> 01:03:52,400 Uh. He had had an experience in there and five there are five other 806 01:03:52,440 --> 01:03:55,519 people in there with him. They were back in an uncharted area of the 807 01:03:55,559 --> 01:04:00,719 cave, exploring and mapping new areas of Mammoth Cave. Now what they do. 808 01:04:00,760 --> 01:04:04,840 They go in for a day, they go to sleep, they wake 809 01:04:04,920 --> 01:04:08,920 up the next day, and they just continue going, you know, until 810 01:04:08,960 --> 01:04:11,760 they've explored that all they're going to explore them, they turn around and leave. 811 01:04:12,480 --> 01:04:17,199 But at one point during their exploration, he said that he felt a 812 01:04:17,280 --> 01:04:23,800 distinct presence there was someone else there with them, and they were looking around 813 01:04:23,840 --> 01:04:28,400 and he asked his buddy, he said, did you feel like somebody else 814 01:04:28,440 --> 01:04:29,960 is in there with her? He said, yeah, I do, He 815 01:04:30,000 --> 01:04:32,920 said, I felt that there's a presence here. Well, when they did 816 01:04:32,960 --> 01:04:39,440 their investigation later on, they went back and they got some recordings of definite 817 01:04:40,039 --> 01:04:45,719 primate like sounds from deep in the cave, and they also recorded a shadowy 818 01:04:46,000 --> 01:04:50,280 image that walked by. I can't remember the name of the episode, but 819 01:04:50,880 --> 01:04:58,280 it's one I think it's expedition exits on one of those shows that's called Mammoth 820 01:04:58,320 --> 01:05:05,000 Cave Mystery or nothing like that. Very very compelling, very compelling. And 821 01:05:05,119 --> 01:05:10,840 people that do that stuff stuff you just mentioned Chris, they do that for 822 01:05:11,039 --> 01:05:15,159 living anything. Even people that go caving as a hobby. That's a special 823 01:05:15,239 --> 01:05:18,159 kind of crazy. In my opinion, I want nothing to do with the 824 01:05:18,199 --> 01:05:24,639 damn cave. There are too many dang stories. Well, I was, 825 01:05:25,639 --> 01:05:30,480 first of all, Yeah, when I was fifteen years old, I loved 826 01:05:30,480 --> 01:05:34,039 it. And we were lucky up on the home farm. We had a 827 01:05:34,079 --> 01:05:39,199 cave and you could go in and explore it a little bit, you know, 828 01:05:39,280 --> 01:05:43,199 if you you know, have your flashlight and everything. And I've been 829 01:05:43,239 --> 01:05:45,679 in that thing a million times. And matter of fact, the only reason 830 01:05:45,760 --> 01:05:49,960 I quit going and exploring it was because it had a sinkhole. It caved 831 01:05:49,960 --> 01:05:55,000 in. So normally you would walk you're walking through this passage and as it 832 01:05:55,039 --> 01:05:58,679 was about the turn and you could walk into another place where a big room 833 01:05:58,719 --> 01:06:02,719 opened up. Now you were looking at a dirt wall, like a wall 834 01:06:02,760 --> 01:06:08,280 of dirt right in front of you because it all fell in from the ground, 835 01:06:08,360 --> 01:06:11,199 you know, And imagine if you were on the other side of that 836 01:06:11,599 --> 01:06:17,119 boy. Yeah, I thought about that too. What Floyd Collins was the 837 01:06:17,159 --> 01:06:21,119 guy's name in Kentucky. Actolutely, Yeah, they got trapped. That man 838 01:06:21,199 --> 01:06:25,800 did that stuff his whole life. The thing ended up getting stuck and dying 839 01:06:25,840 --> 01:06:28,760 down there. So if it could happen to him, it happened to anybody. 840 01:06:29,039 --> 01:06:30,239 Yeah, that's right. He was one of those guys. He wouldn't 841 01:06:30,239 --> 01:06:33,559 care to crawl in a groundhog hole though. That's the problem. See, 842 01:06:33,800 --> 01:06:38,199 I was never like that. Okay, if I had to get down, 843 01:06:38,280 --> 01:06:41,000 if I had to stoop down a little bit, you know, I'm feeling 844 01:06:41,039 --> 01:06:44,559 kind of cramped, you know. Liked it where you could like stand up 845 01:06:44,599 --> 01:06:48,559 and walk around in there. But as far as crawling into a groundhog hold, 846 01:06:48,559 --> 01:06:53,039 well, a hole about this big round, just big enough to get 847 01:06:53,079 --> 01:06:57,639 one arm through and then pull the other shoulder. No way, no way, 848 01:06:57,719 --> 01:07:01,519 not even at fifteen, I wouldn't have done it. Yea. They 849 01:07:01,599 --> 01:07:05,199 want nothing to do. I believe they use them. I believe that Bigfoot 850 01:07:05,280 --> 01:07:15,119 uses caves as shelter. That map that has floated around, I'm sure both 851 01:07:15,159 --> 01:07:19,920 of you have seen it, that's supposed to outline the cave systems and Bigfoot 852 01:07:20,000 --> 01:07:25,800 sidings or missing people or something like that. They like overlapped it, and 853 01:07:25,840 --> 01:07:30,960 it's supposed to be close, you know what I'm talking about. I don't 854 01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:38,119 know. Okay, Well it's out there. There's a map of the cave 855 01:07:38,199 --> 01:07:42,360 systems in the US, and then someone took a map of Bigfoot or I 856 01:07:42,360 --> 01:07:46,800 think missing people, missing people and overlaid it. And it's supposed to be 857 01:07:47,039 --> 01:07:55,800 it's supposed to be like crazy similar, you know. And now we're getting 858 01:07:55,800 --> 01:07:59,840 into all missing before with one stuff yep. And I know a lot of 859 01:08:00,079 --> 01:08:05,599 that has been played up on the how should I say, not the glamorous 860 01:08:05,639 --> 01:08:09,960 side, but the mysterious side is played up on him. Well, a 861 01:08:10,079 --> 01:08:15,039 man missing and you know we don't know why. Well, people are missing 862 01:08:15,039 --> 01:08:18,680 all the time. You know. One of the most high frequency was the 863 01:08:18,920 --> 01:08:25,840 gentleman who played the World of Julian Sandsho went missing for three or four months 864 01:08:25,840 --> 01:08:29,239 and they found his body at the bottom of a ravine or in a valley 865 01:08:29,359 --> 01:08:34,520 somewhere. Obvious hypothermia death. And the reason why they found him is because 866 01:08:34,560 --> 01:08:41,159 the family was so doggedly trying to find him and had some resources. You 867 01:08:41,199 --> 01:08:44,720 know, you look at some of these other cases where you know, the 868 01:08:44,720 --> 01:08:48,680 guy's shoes, and then the guy one of the side effects of hypothermia as 869 01:08:48,720 --> 01:08:55,079 you actually think you're warm, so you start taking clothes off. So when 870 01:08:55,119 --> 01:08:58,319 these events get played up by missing four to one one, I'm like, 871 01:08:58,640 --> 01:09:02,960 this does not prove anything except the person had a very unfortunate trip. Uh. 872 01:09:03,119 --> 01:09:06,039 There's a lot you know, and you can correlate a lot of stuff, 873 01:09:06,039 --> 01:09:09,439 but you can cherry pick a lot of stuff too. And we saw 874 01:09:09,479 --> 01:09:13,520 that in the Bigfoot News this past weekend with the bear study. How you 875 01:09:13,560 --> 01:09:23,119 can cherry cherry pick certain certain results yea, and overlook other problems to that's 876 01:09:23,199 --> 01:09:27,479 right, right, We got to fix study that says we know exactly why 877 01:09:27,560 --> 01:09:31,119 you know, it explains Bigfoot signings. But let's not talk about Florida or 878 01:09:31,199 --> 01:09:38,760 Ohio or New York. Let's not New York or seems to happen so much. 879 01:09:38,840 --> 01:09:42,079 Guys, He's like a cherry pick what you want out of a story 880 01:09:42,159 --> 01:09:46,479 to make it fit your narrative, And I want one thing that comes to 881 01:09:46,520 --> 01:09:51,960 mind we're talking about that is the Dennis Martin case. Uh, the little 882 01:09:51,960 --> 01:09:58,079 boy that went missing the Smoky Mountains, six year six year old boy? 883 01:09:58,600 --> 01:10:00,520 Was that the kid with the red jacket apparently or something that I think. 884 01:10:00,680 --> 01:10:06,920 So he was a Father's Day weekend. Well, people, that was on 885 01:10:08,039 --> 01:10:12,640 Missing for one one and the Bigfoot community tries to make it Bigfoot related, 886 01:10:13,840 --> 01:10:18,359 and that's an example of cherry picking. Well, there was the report that 887 01:10:18,399 --> 01:10:27,960 the family saw an unkept man running with something red over his shoulder, running 888 01:10:28,039 --> 01:10:30,199 up the hill, and everybody wants to say that's Bigfoot, but they leave 889 01:10:30,239 --> 01:10:33,600 out the part that the man was seen getting into a car and driving away. 890 01:10:35,119 --> 01:10:44,000 Do that, well, maybe maybe Igor Birch exactly with that, Greg 891 01:10:44,079 --> 01:10:51,720 the eddy is that his name Igor gets personal phone calls from Bigfoot. Oh 892 01:10:51,880 --> 01:10:58,920 lord, I don't have that kind of lesson. You did that? He 893 01:10:59,000 --> 01:11:02,000 did that like a live live or something. There he was on camera talking 894 01:11:02,039 --> 01:11:06,920 to Bigfoot on the phone, and then eighteen months later he's showing us pictures 895 01:11:06,920 --> 01:11:13,600 of big put getting in a car and driving away. Yeah, yeah, 896 01:11:13,640 --> 01:11:16,439 exactly. That's that's the exact point of cherry picking. And that was featured 897 01:11:16,479 --> 01:11:20,840 on four one one Mike. You'll see the guy from cart get here. 898 01:11:20,840 --> 01:11:26,319 Every once in a while. They are actually doing a special on the Lily 899 01:11:26,439 --> 01:11:30,600 Lake disappearance of a gentleman, an older gentleman. And when they talk to 900 01:11:30,640 --> 01:11:34,640 the family in law enforcement, they you know, they have a lot to 901 01:11:34,720 --> 01:11:41,479 say about gay politis and how you know he wasn't really he didn't really care 902 01:11:41,520 --> 01:11:45,479 about the investigation. He just wanted to know what was unusual about it and 903 01:11:45,479 --> 01:11:47,880 that's what he ran with. And the family would be like, well but 904 01:11:48,479 --> 01:11:53,600 and he would have nothing to do with it. So, you know, 905 01:11:53,720 --> 01:12:00,199 cherry picking is probably it just shows you know, it's just bias. All 906 01:12:00,199 --> 01:12:04,039 it is is bias. You're going to ignore a fact. And it's kind 907 01:12:04,039 --> 01:12:12,039 of funny because I had to look at something this week for our midweek video 908 01:12:12,079 --> 01:12:16,279 we're cutting out on Wednesday, part of my own evidence that says, hey, 909 01:12:16,279 --> 01:12:19,600 wait a minute, time out, this could be that. So we 910 01:12:19,680 --> 01:12:23,920 take a look at that more in depth and see if it fits. And 911 01:12:23,960 --> 01:12:26,399 that's what you have to do. You have to be honest with people. 912 01:12:27,079 --> 01:12:30,359 And I think there's a lot of honesty missing that. Well just now, 913 01:12:30,439 --> 01:12:32,159 maybe you know, in a TV show will say, well, we only 914 01:12:32,199 --> 01:12:36,800 have forty two minutes in an hour long because the other eighteen minutes is commercials, 915 01:12:38,399 --> 01:12:42,279 and then you put in the introduction and the out stuff, you lose 916 01:12:42,319 --> 01:12:47,199 another minute or so and that's why. So we only really have about forty 917 01:12:47,239 --> 01:12:51,319 minutes to get this information out there, so we just cut to the important 918 01:12:51,319 --> 01:12:58,800 stuff. No, you're omitting. You're omitting the stuff that shows you're doing 919 01:12:58,840 --> 01:13:02,560 a proper investigation. Sorry, I had to holler, Ron Bulls, he's 920 01:13:02,600 --> 01:13:10,119 in the chat. Rod is hiding out there. That passes even Dave Peladis 921 01:13:10,159 --> 01:13:12,640 is not playing Bigfoot for taking people if you listen to him. Well I 922 01:13:12,680 --> 01:13:17,640 have listened to him, uh live watch to watch some of his lectures online, 923 01:13:17,760 --> 01:13:21,119 and uh yeah that he may not be saying that, but he's certainly 924 01:13:21,159 --> 01:13:27,439 implying that when you when you start saying, hey, we don't know why 925 01:13:27,479 --> 01:13:30,199 these people were taken. We don't know what happened to this person. Why, 926 01:13:30,439 --> 01:13:34,000 yeah, we do, look at look at the official cause of death 927 01:13:34,000 --> 01:13:41,720 and the death certificates. If Dave is not suggesting big Butt is doing this 928 01:13:41,720 --> 01:13:46,960 this stuff, why is he speaking at all these Bigfoot conferences and doing all 929 01:13:46,960 --> 01:13:54,119 this stuff. That's a good question. And another thing is Dave Pallatius is 930 01:13:54,159 --> 01:13:59,319 also one of the persons propagating the Bluff Creek Masker massacre conspiracy based on Harbor 931 01:13:59,359 --> 01:14:02,840 Gale. I'm so glad you brought that up, Steve. As I mentioned 932 01:14:02,840 --> 01:14:12,199 to you guys earlier, I co host the show with Brian King, that 933 01:14:12,279 --> 01:14:17,000 big Foot podcast. He just released this past Friday, he released the first 934 01:14:17,039 --> 01:14:23,600 part of this special that we're doing about the Bluff Creek massacre. We have 935 01:14:23,720 --> 01:14:29,640 recorded part two. It will be out this coming Friday, and guys, 936 01:14:29,680 --> 01:14:35,000 y'all need to turn into that to hear what we think about David Palati's and 937 01:14:35,000 --> 01:14:44,319 and this this fiasco that's going on, this just bullshit parade that they're putting 938 01:14:44,359 --> 01:14:48,880 on with this Bluff Creek massacre thing. So I'm about you guys to check 939 01:14:48,960 --> 01:14:51,800 that out. That the first part's out right now and then the second part 940 01:14:51,840 --> 01:14:56,319 will be out Friday. But I don't know, man, We need to 941 01:14:56,319 --> 01:15:00,399 get some awareness about this and just call these people what they are and we 942 01:15:00,640 --> 01:15:02,640 If you look at the early videos on the show we first started, it 943 01:15:02,720 --> 01:15:08,000 was one of the first topics we covered was the massacre theory and how can 944 01:15:08,039 --> 01:15:13,439 you okay, let's just say you do see some red and number one, 945 01:15:13,720 --> 01:15:17,439 I explain to people that that blood doesn't dry red. Yeah, right, 946 01:15:17,680 --> 01:15:21,520 that's number one. Now number two is how can you come up with this 947 01:15:21,600 --> 01:15:27,439 whole conspiracy theory based upon something you find in the film. It's just make 948 01:15:27,520 --> 01:15:30,840 believe. It's just thought up, spun up out of somebody's imagination, and 949 01:15:30,880 --> 01:15:39,199 it's not even the same film. Rights were data Hinden a film that he 950 01:15:39,279 --> 01:15:42,960 took, right, That's what they were. They got the information from, 951 01:15:44,079 --> 01:15:49,840 uh no, the Patterson Gimmelin film. They're showing, uh some red discoloration 952 01:15:50,039 --> 01:15:57,199 in the in the grounds where Patty was walking. Now here's the Here's another 953 01:15:57,279 --> 01:16:01,640 great, great theory is that if supposedly all these bodies were shot up there, 954 01:16:01,680 --> 01:16:05,880 why would Patty be walking around an area where a bunch of sasquats had 955 01:16:05,880 --> 01:16:10,479 already been killed. Yeah, I mean, I think the whole thing was 956 01:16:10,560 --> 01:16:15,079 they were claiming that they found m K. Davis was claiming that he found 957 01:16:15,279 --> 01:16:18,399 a portion of the Patty film. Okay, hold on, I got to 958 01:16:18,439 --> 01:16:23,000 stop right here. Tracy Bennisa as Bobby Short started all that both. No, 959 01:16:23,439 --> 01:16:29,920 she did not. I can tell you the exact time date, we 960 01:16:30,279 --> 01:16:34,039 not off the top of my head, but it was I believe two thousand 961 01:16:34,079 --> 01:16:44,439 and seven at the Ohio Bigfoot conference when MK Davis broke out the slides about 962 01:16:44,479 --> 01:16:50,880 the Bigfoot massacre. He was the one that started it. David Polites lobbied 963 01:16:50,920 --> 01:16:55,840 Bobby Short, talked to her and convinced her that this was the real thing. 964 01:16:56,920 --> 01:17:01,079 And at the time, let's not men's words, Bobby was not a 965 01:17:01,119 --> 01:17:05,319 young person. The only picture of her that ever existed on the internet was 966 01:17:05,560 --> 01:17:13,720 her probably circing nineteen seventy four seventy five, which shose a very young young 967 01:17:13,760 --> 01:17:21,159 woman. But the problem with that is that Bobby Short at the time was 968 01:17:21,199 --> 01:17:26,640 probably in her late seventies, maybe even eighties. And sometimes you know when 969 01:17:26,640 --> 01:17:30,800 you're staying and she was going towards the end stage of her life. So 970 01:17:30,880 --> 01:17:34,439 you can kind of see where I'm going with that conversation. You know, 971 01:17:34,800 --> 01:17:40,079 it's the same age where people say, oh, just sign right here as 972 01:17:40,159 --> 01:17:48,000 that age and so, and that says that Waen is right. He did 973 01:17:48,079 --> 01:17:51,439 mix in a different film. He did. He mixed in the Blue Ridge 974 01:17:51,520 --> 01:17:57,600 Mountain film as well, and tried to claim that the dog involved was part 975 01:17:57,640 --> 01:18:00,960 of it. Was a haunting dog, which does not work hunting. But 976 01:18:00,000 --> 01:18:09,359 anyway, but yeah, it was like every everybody that could gain ground on 977 01:18:09,479 --> 01:18:14,720 it did. Somebody mentioned Kat Hansen, another one that jumped on that bandwagon 978 01:18:14,760 --> 01:18:20,800 too with Steve Isdahl from you Know How Not to Hunt? And these people, 979 01:18:21,159 --> 01:18:24,880 I mean these people. You mean to tell me that the people that 980 01:18:24,920 --> 01:18:30,680 were involved in this massacre spent the rest of their lives or all these years 981 01:18:30,760 --> 01:18:33,840 later talking about we need a body or we need a piece of a body, 982 01:18:34,399 --> 01:18:38,560 when they very damn well knew where they could go and get the bodies 983 01:18:38,600 --> 01:18:43,159 because they buried them. What seeds does that make exactly? The mystery would 984 01:18:43,159 --> 01:18:46,439 have been solved. And here's the thing. This theory was concocted by somebody 985 01:18:46,439 --> 01:18:51,239 who had no grasp of the law. They're trying to say, well, 986 01:18:51,279 --> 01:18:57,760 they covered the bodies up. They didn't want to get in trouble. There's 987 01:18:57,800 --> 01:19:01,960 no law exactly exactly even if I shoot a big foot, and I thought 988 01:19:01,960 --> 01:19:04,880 they would, but it was a bigfoot is shot and killed today by somebody 989 01:19:05,720 --> 01:19:11,439 and it turns out to be a variation of us a homo sapien. Say, 990 01:19:12,399 --> 01:19:15,640 they still could not be charged with murder because that particular creature is not 991 01:19:15,720 --> 01:19:20,119 in the books and the killing of that creature is not a law, and 992 01:19:20,159 --> 01:19:25,119 they can't make a law tomorrow and go back to last week and say, 993 01:19:25,119 --> 01:19:27,479 hey, we're going to charge it for that. We just made this law 994 01:19:27,560 --> 01:19:31,880 today that doesn't work that way exactly, So why would they even cover it 995 01:19:31,960 --> 01:19:39,000 up? And they skin these things and the third or Russia? What kind 996 01:19:39,039 --> 01:19:45,640 of BS is that? Right? And they accidentally got lost inconveniently as well. 997 01:19:46,359 --> 01:19:48,720 Like I said, this whole thing is just spun up in the mind. 998 01:19:49,920 --> 01:19:53,920 Yeah. Now, I don't want to I don't want to seem like 999 01:19:53,960 --> 01:19:58,199 we're beating up on MK Davis. I mean, he has done a lot 1000 01:19:58,239 --> 01:20:02,920 of work about you know, Claire find the Patterson Gimlan footage and aligning it, 1001 01:20:02,960 --> 01:20:06,680 and he's done some superwork on that stuff. But he just sees a 1002 01:20:06,720 --> 01:20:11,680 lot of stuff that I personally don't see and a lot of other people. 1003 01:20:12,520 --> 01:20:16,960 Unfortunately, the problem with that is is that when you see somebody that's starting 1004 01:20:17,000 --> 01:20:19,920 to do really good work. And the funny thing was is in two thousand 1005 01:20:19,920 --> 01:20:24,920 and six and some of two thousand and seven, MK was saying, Oho, 1006 01:20:25,000 --> 01:20:28,800 I'm doing this for Roger Patterson's legacy, and then he turns around and 1007 01:20:28,800 --> 01:20:31,600 stabs him in the back with this Kaka ma Amy theory. Let me say 1008 01:20:31,600 --> 01:20:36,319 this, it doesn't matter what his previous work was. Now he's ruined all 1009 01:20:36,359 --> 01:20:41,079 that because somebody will say, oh, yeah, he did really good work 1010 01:20:41,079 --> 01:20:43,880 with that, made some great observations. But he's also come out with this 1011 01:20:43,960 --> 01:20:47,720 kakammy idea which has no backup to it, so it completely discredits his previous 1012 01:20:47,760 --> 01:20:51,159 work. I'm sorry, that's just the way it is. Nice guy or 1013 01:20:51,199 --> 01:20:56,039 not, that's the way it is. And I do not hate MK. 1014 01:20:56,319 --> 01:21:00,600 I do not dislike him. I would have a couple of car with him 1015 01:21:00,600 --> 01:21:04,199 today. I don't believe he's hoaxing us. I just believe he's really wrong. 1016 01:21:04,560 --> 01:21:09,560 He's really biased, and he gets hooked on some idea and away he 1017 01:21:09,640 --> 01:21:15,760 went with no evidence other than pointing at something in the film and some kaka 1018 01:21:15,800 --> 01:21:17,840 mamie, well you see this, oh you see that, and just making 1019 01:21:17,920 --> 01:21:23,640 some wild ass conclusions to support his theory that what he sees in the film 1020 01:21:23,680 --> 01:21:28,000 is blood, which is not because he also used a red filter on the 1021 01:21:28,000 --> 01:21:32,439 film. Yeah, stay for you. I'm sorry to interrupt you, Chris, 1022 01:21:33,760 --> 01:21:38,479 you saying that rut there he used a red filter? Or if you 1023 01:21:39,079 --> 01:21:47,399 can't change the contrast to help your narrative, is that not hoaxing? If 1024 01:21:47,399 --> 01:21:51,359 you change the color of the film to represent what you are trying to sell 1025 01:21:51,439 --> 01:21:58,720 people the whole change, right, the hoaxing would be intent, do we 1026 01:21:58,920 --> 01:22:02,239 Now one has to ask himself. Did he adjust it to try to make 1027 01:22:02,239 --> 01:22:05,319 the film pop a little bit more and then go, oh my gosh, 1028 01:22:05,359 --> 01:22:10,079 look at that. That's got to be blood blah blah blah blah blah. 1029 01:22:10,199 --> 01:22:12,840 Or did he say I'm going to make this story up and I'm gonna I 1030 01:22:12,880 --> 01:22:15,920 think that in actuality, I don't think he was intentionally doing that. I 1031 01:22:15,920 --> 01:22:19,159 think that's how his mind works. He see he went to sharpen it up 1032 01:22:19,560 --> 01:22:24,119 and then boom. There's no direct evidence that he just made this up as 1033 01:22:24,159 --> 01:22:28,560 intentionally as a hoax. I don't find that in his character, I think. 1034 01:22:28,760 --> 01:22:32,399 But I think his mind escaped him with this one. Yeah. He 1035 01:22:32,560 --> 01:22:36,479 just sees stuff that I don't see as being there, you know, right, 1036 01:22:38,000 --> 01:22:41,239 and everybody is correct. I've said it a thousand times. Blood tries 1037 01:22:41,279 --> 01:22:46,720 brown. It would look like it would actually it would actually look like an 1038 01:22:46,760 --> 01:22:51,520 oil field, you know, and that kind of footage. It would be 1039 01:22:51,600 --> 01:22:57,800 very dark. Yeah, and you know if Patty was shot when she was 1040 01:22:57,840 --> 01:23:00,560 walking them, and we would see someone ask how do we know bigfoot? 1041 01:23:00,560 --> 01:23:06,640 Blood is read to begin with Well, every every mammal's blood is red because 1042 01:23:06,720 --> 01:23:15,840 it requires hemoglobinobin right right, And it's you know, and iron and the 1043 01:23:15,880 --> 01:23:18,880 iron in the blood which kind of gives it the nice red tennis it does. 1044 01:23:19,600 --> 01:23:25,039 That's why it browns when it's exposed to air, just like a rough 1045 01:23:25,119 --> 01:23:30,439 spot on a piece of metal. Well, yeah, it's it's it's their 1046 01:23:30,479 --> 01:23:34,880 hemoglobin and the fact that the atmosphere on planet Earth is we use oxygen, 1047 01:23:35,039 --> 01:23:40,439 you know, well we use nitrogen, and that oxygen it's that iron in 1048 01:23:40,479 --> 01:23:46,159 the blood and turns it the brown. So here's the thing. When I 1049 01:23:46,199 --> 01:23:53,960 ever consider he does not and refuses to debate the Patterson this massacre theory with 1050 01:23:54,079 --> 01:23:58,680 anybody point blank. He's only going to come on shows that are friendly to 1051 01:23:58,760 --> 01:24:05,640 his ideas or let him talk without necessarily arguing the fact. We've tried him. 1052 01:24:05,640 --> 01:24:12,279 Tonight, Bron's interviewing him tonight along with the uh that Daniel kid from 1053 01:24:12,359 --> 01:24:15,680 the UK. He's supposed to be interviewing MK and he asked Brian to help 1054 01:24:15,760 --> 01:24:19,840 him. And this is something that Brian and I talked about when we recorded 1055 01:24:20,520 --> 01:24:25,640 our latest episode of that Bigfoot podcast this past Thursday. He's gonna ask him 1056 01:24:25,640 --> 01:24:28,920 those questions. Ah, now we're just to ask another question, is what 1057 01:24:29,000 --> 01:24:32,239 is your opinion new it's MG Davis gatewoodhigh def amatory patty that was created by 1058 01:24:32,279 --> 01:24:36,439 AI. And uh, you know, photoshop is photoshop. We can photoshop 1059 01:24:36,479 --> 01:24:41,319 any bigfoot out there to make it look really nifty and nice. That was 1060 01:24:41,359 --> 01:24:45,439 done with AI. So there's a graphic element to it. It's no different 1061 01:24:45,479 --> 01:24:48,000 than photoshop. It's not relevant, it's not evidence. It doesn't prove a 1062 01:24:48,159 --> 01:24:56,399 damn thing except how maybe AI thinks that they should look really Yeah, so 1063 01:24:56,479 --> 01:25:00,479 he's passing that office him cleaning it up. Correct. In fact, it's 1064 01:25:00,760 --> 01:25:04,359 from what I understand. From what I understand it was AI was that would 1065 01:25:04,439 --> 01:25:09,680 qualify as the definition of hoking hooaxing if it turns out that he was trying 1066 01:25:09,680 --> 01:25:14,640 to pass off an AI image yet, But I don't have to look into 1067 01:25:14,720 --> 01:25:16,439 it. I have to look into it. I don't. I I this 1068 01:25:16,520 --> 01:25:20,319 is not new either. It has been out for over a year. But 1069 01:25:21,079 --> 01:25:26,880 I think that it was. It was admitted that it was AI. So 1070 01:25:27,119 --> 01:25:32,479 again it's here's this researcher run amuck and said, hey, we'll use AI 1071 01:25:32,520 --> 01:25:35,199 to see what it looks like. Patty looks like and came up with that 1072 01:25:35,239 --> 01:25:39,079 image. Oh look there it is. This is evidence. No it's not, 1073 01:25:40,279 --> 01:25:45,520 and that is what they call an interpretation. Yeah, ah, there's 1074 01:25:45,560 --> 01:25:51,479 something. It's photographic evidence enough to prove bigo exists. No, no, 1075 01:25:54,000 --> 01:25:58,000 and you know proven if it were. Because a lot of the stuff about 1076 01:25:58,000 --> 01:26:00,600 the Patterson Givenlan film that I really like, you know, now, I 1077 01:26:00,600 --> 01:26:04,520 don't know that's that's showing a bigfoot, they're not. Some people say, 1078 01:26:04,560 --> 01:26:08,600 obviously it is. Some people say, oh no, it's a man in 1079 01:26:08,600 --> 01:26:11,279 the suit. Now I'm going to say the truth, and the truth is 1080 01:26:11,359 --> 01:26:15,359 I don't know. But there are some things about it that I liked. 1081 01:26:15,000 --> 01:26:19,439 There's also some things about it that I didn't like. And truth be told, 1082 01:26:20,199 --> 01:26:24,520 you know, there are a lot of people that'll put a lot of 1083 01:26:24,520 --> 01:26:30,119 these waggy ideas out there just to get their name in the books in hopes 1084 01:26:30,159 --> 01:26:35,159 that maybe some you know, Hollywood show will pick them up and say, 1085 01:26:35,199 --> 01:26:39,680 hey, look at this guy with what he does. And then yet, 1086 01:26:39,840 --> 01:26:45,840 you know, ten twenties and hundreds of thousands subscribers on YouTube, that's their 1087 01:26:45,880 --> 01:26:48,039 goal. I think, I really think the end goal of certain people, 1088 01:26:50,319 --> 01:26:54,239 and you got to be wary of them. We do the work the hard 1089 01:26:54,279 --> 01:27:00,319 way around here. Oh, this is a good one from Troy. How 1090 01:27:00,319 --> 01:27:06,399 do you approve they exist? Then? Well, what you do is bring 1091 01:27:06,399 --> 01:27:13,279 in a piece of physical evidence that deals DNA with the evidence to back up 1092 01:27:13,479 --> 01:27:15,479 what you collected it from, how you collected it, and where you collected 1093 01:27:15,520 --> 01:27:18,920 it from. I think it's going to take a body. Guys. It 1094 01:27:19,000 --> 01:27:23,479 may, it just might. It just might. But let's say this. 1095 01:27:23,920 --> 01:27:27,800 Say you have a trail cam in a particular area and you have a sasquatch. 1096 01:27:27,880 --> 01:27:30,279 Go over there and grab something and eat something and leave some of it 1097 01:27:30,319 --> 01:27:34,279 behind. Okay, now you've got the video of that. You go over 1098 01:27:34,319 --> 01:27:40,640 there and forensically correct that, and the video will show that took the chain 1099 01:27:40,720 --> 01:27:45,359 of it's properly collected, forensically properly collected. It is sealed in a bag, 1100 01:27:45,439 --> 01:27:49,880 the bag is signed, a chain of evidence is proper. You ship 1101 01:27:49,960 --> 01:27:55,760 that off to a DNA lab, You ship your video, and that gets 1102 01:27:55,800 --> 01:28:00,439 handled like evidence, and then you take the both of them with chain of 1103 01:28:00,520 --> 01:28:04,439 custody and present them the science it's gonna and with the DNA result being, 1104 01:28:04,560 --> 01:28:09,039 hey, this is something we don't know what it is. Yeah, Well, 1105 01:28:09,079 --> 01:28:13,720 here's the video of us, well, of the creature that made that 1106 01:28:13,840 --> 01:28:16,880 DNA sample, because you clearly see it there on film eating whatever it's eating 1107 01:28:16,880 --> 01:28:20,600 and dropping it and walking away. Here's the video of us collecting it. 1108 01:28:21,439 --> 01:28:27,600 Here's the chain of custody, here's the here's the DNA report of what actually 1109 01:28:27,960 --> 01:28:30,359 took a bite into that. Because we had a saliva sample off of it. 1110 01:28:30,359 --> 01:28:33,119 It's gonna be pretty hard for science to say this does not exist. 1111 01:28:35,840 --> 01:28:41,319 But you're still gonna have those researchers out there that scream got in a suit. 1112 01:28:41,960 --> 01:28:44,960 This is a hoax, but that's why you have the DNA to back 1113 01:28:45,000 --> 01:28:49,960 that up. Yeah, you can't fake DNA, well, you can well 1114 01:28:49,960 --> 01:28:59,479 hold on, you can go well, but but if it's done by a 1115 01:28:59,520 --> 01:29:05,000 reputable group correctly, and it comes up as something that makes sense that hey, 1116 01:29:05,039 --> 01:29:10,119 this is a primate, it's it's genus is primate or as family as 1117 01:29:10,159 --> 01:29:14,800 primate. And this is where it branches off to. And this is a 1118 01:29:14,920 --> 01:29:18,399 DNA similar to ours and similar to this and similar to that, but this 1119 01:29:18,479 --> 01:29:26,039 is where it differs. Here it is done by whoever. I think that'll 1120 01:29:26,079 --> 01:29:30,159 work. It's a combination of the technologies. You're gonna in order to prove 1121 01:29:30,199 --> 01:29:32,359 this, it's either going to take a body or a coon, a piece 1122 01:29:32,399 --> 01:29:38,880 of a body, or a combination of technology with a DNA sample. I 1123 01:29:38,960 --> 01:29:43,760 will say this that if a DNA sample is collected blindly and it turns out 1124 01:29:43,800 --> 01:29:46,760 to be a Sasquatch or what we believe to be as a Sasquatch, it's 1125 01:29:46,760 --> 01:29:51,359 definitely going to interest science. Then the problem is that hasn't been done yet. 1126 01:29:51,680 --> 01:29:55,079 We're shooting ourselves in the foot by saying, well, you know, 1127 01:29:55,079 --> 01:29:58,800 there's nothing we're gonna do that's going to make, you know, prove that 1128 01:29:58,880 --> 01:30:10,479 this is real. Stay tuned for more paranormal odyssey to science. That's not 1129 01:30:10,520 --> 01:30:15,520 true. That's giving up, that's saying we can't do it. You know. 1130 01:30:15,600 --> 01:30:17,520 If that's the case, that's a good night, folks. We're done. 1131 01:30:17,960 --> 01:30:20,399 You know, there's no sense in continuing at that point in time. 1132 01:30:21,319 --> 01:30:25,920 Oh, I think we're going to bring one in. There's another question, 1133 01:30:26,279 --> 01:30:32,159 do they have paranormal abilities? Which say, you mean so we're talking about 1134 01:30:32,199 --> 01:30:39,359 WU right, I would think so. I don't. I don't know if 1135 01:30:39,359 --> 01:30:45,920 they I agree with you. When I started this years ago, you could 1136 01:30:45,960 --> 01:30:50,680 not convince me that these things were nothing more than biological creatures. It's felt 1137 01:30:50,720 --> 01:30:55,840 like they're another one of God's creations that he put here and we just don't 1138 01:30:55,840 --> 01:30:58,920 know much about it. We hadn't caught up to it yet. We don't 1139 01:30:59,600 --> 01:31:04,479 have a I mean, that's not it's very arrogant for us to think that 1140 01:31:04,600 --> 01:31:11,920 we know everything that's out there, you know. So I was convinced that 1141 01:31:12,000 --> 01:31:15,479 this was just a creature. But the more people you've talked to, coming 1142 01:31:15,560 --> 01:31:17,640 up on probably around a thousand people now in the years that I've been doing 1143 01:31:17,640 --> 01:31:25,720 it or more, you can't. We're doing a huge disservice to ourselves in 1144 01:31:25,760 --> 01:31:31,680 the community by not hearing everyone out and not listening to what they have experienced. 1145 01:31:32,199 --> 01:31:35,520 Not everyone's lying. There's too many of these cases out there talking about 1146 01:31:35,640 --> 01:31:41,000 orbs, seeing these light orbs in the woods right before you have a big 1147 01:31:41,000 --> 01:31:44,399 foot encounter. You got to listen to that stuff. Maybe it's coincidence, 1148 01:31:44,479 --> 01:31:49,079 maybe it's not. No mine speak is something that believe it or not, 1149 01:31:49,159 --> 01:31:55,119 I'm open to I don't know if we can do it with Bigfoot, but 1150 01:31:55,359 --> 01:32:00,119 I believe that there are like twins. There's been reports of twins knowing what 1151 01:32:00,199 --> 01:32:04,640 each other. We're thinking at certain times I think it's possible it can be 1152 01:32:04,720 --> 01:32:11,000 done. So you know, I always look at the whole mind speak aspect 1153 01:32:11,119 --> 01:32:16,399 from that of the use of infrasound or infersonic communication. The largest of all 1154 01:32:16,439 --> 01:32:21,359 your mammals of each species can use infrasound. The blue whale can use in 1155 01:32:21,399 --> 01:32:26,439 forsound, the elephants can use inversund. You know, the biggest cats can 1156 01:32:26,520 --> 01:32:31,119 use em forsound. It would make sense that the biggest primate would be able 1157 01:32:31,159 --> 01:32:35,119 to use inversound and sasquats being a primate. Now we know infsound can put 1158 01:32:35,199 --> 01:32:39,319 minds thoughts in your mind and you hear things, make you see things. 1159 01:32:39,920 --> 01:32:42,760 The problem is is that some of these things, like these orbs, have 1160 01:32:42,880 --> 01:32:46,600 been filmed, but they haven't been filmed with a bigfoot. Yeah, right, 1161 01:32:46,760 --> 01:32:50,600 so that that kind of and there aren't There is natural phenomenon in the 1162 01:32:50,640 --> 01:32:57,159 woods which can cause these orbs, right, and then there is you know, 1163 01:32:57,239 --> 01:33:00,840 such as certain gas emissions, and Chris and I have gone into that 1164 01:33:00,039 --> 01:33:05,720 multiple times in the show. We've even seen that ourselves, but no bigfoot. 1165 01:33:06,560 --> 01:33:12,399 So you know, I kind of look at it from the aspect of 1166 01:33:13,560 --> 01:33:18,840 I think what we're looking at is a little bit of our own arrogance when 1167 01:33:18,840 --> 01:33:27,119 we try to go to the supernatural explanation because we can't explain why we haven't 1168 01:33:27,159 --> 01:33:30,840 got one yet, it's got to why can't we get one on trail cameras 1169 01:33:30,880 --> 01:33:32,039 well? In fact of the matter is a trail camera is a needle in 1170 01:33:32,039 --> 01:33:35,079 a haystack, no matter where you put it. Even if you have five 1171 01:33:35,119 --> 01:33:39,359 of them, that's five needles in the haystack. Right, Your odds are 1172 01:33:39,359 --> 01:33:43,039 a little bit better, but it's still five needles in a haystack. Yeah. 1173 01:33:43,600 --> 01:33:48,039 Right. I think it's our own arrogance that we don't realize that. 1174 01:33:48,720 --> 01:33:51,600 You know, a gear can run across the road and jump into the woods. 1175 01:33:51,600 --> 01:33:55,319 You look and it's gone. You don't see it. Yep, it's 1176 01:33:55,319 --> 01:34:00,960 not paranormal. The gear didn't disappear. We've seen UFOs and u aps spotlighting 1177 01:34:01,000 --> 01:34:06,039 cows during the cattle mutilation era. We never assume that the cow's reliance. 1178 01:34:08,479 --> 01:34:16,039 Right, we've been abducted allegedly by alien craft. We've never said that we're 1179 01:34:16,039 --> 01:34:25,920 the aliens, right, Yeah, So you know, Iron Dogger makes it 1180 01:34:25,920 --> 01:34:30,439 great. There's orbs in the frozen Arctic for crying out loud right, there's 1181 01:34:30,439 --> 01:34:35,640 no foot out there, right, so I think we have I mean, 1182 01:34:35,680 --> 01:34:40,199 and think about a sasquatch. Them being smart, they can move, they 1183 01:34:40,199 --> 01:34:44,920 can hide behind a tree or partially obstruct themselves behind a tree. Something primates 1184 01:34:44,960 --> 01:34:48,239 do. Gorillas do it, chimpanzees do it, rangutans do it. We 1185 01:34:48,279 --> 01:34:53,119 do it. Why not a big foot? Right? So again, they're 1186 01:34:53,199 --> 01:34:57,399 using their natural color, their brownish red, which kind of blends in beautifully 1187 01:34:57,399 --> 01:35:01,680 with its surroundings, and they use that to their advantage. So to me, 1188 01:35:02,079 --> 01:35:05,399 there's nothing supernatural about a big foot. People say, well, you 1189 01:35:05,399 --> 01:35:09,520 know they run really fast. Well, you know what, I dare anybody 1190 01:35:10,239 --> 01:35:14,079 to try to run with their hands, try to run down and grab a 1191 01:35:14,119 --> 01:35:18,319 deer and bring it down, because it ain't gonna have It's not going to 1192 01:35:18,359 --> 01:35:23,000 happen. And people say, well, we use guns and kill deer, 1193 01:35:23,039 --> 01:35:27,760 But you're not talking about a deer's mind. You're talking about a primate mind, 1194 01:35:27,840 --> 01:35:34,840 something that thinks, has situational awareness, has foresight in thought. So 1195 01:35:34,960 --> 01:35:41,159 that's why I don't think they are necessarily supernatural. I think they're just super 1196 01:35:41,199 --> 01:35:47,560 intelligent. They're probably the closest thing and the evolutionary chain to us. I 1197 01:35:47,560 --> 01:35:54,199 think they have more DNA than the chimpanzee has. Chimpanzee, I think it's 1198 01:35:54,199 --> 01:35:59,479 like ninety eight point four percent of their DNA is identical to ours, which 1199 01:35:59,520 --> 01:36:02,880 tells you at one point six percent of that DNA can change a hell of 1200 01:36:02,920 --> 01:36:06,520 a lot. Yes, right, this is a lot. Yeah, we're 1201 01:36:06,520 --> 01:36:13,199 almost exactly same as let's say, sasquatches ninety nine percent of our DNA. 1202 01:36:14,560 --> 01:36:17,039 Well, that's going to make it maybe a little bit smarter than that chimpanzee, 1203 01:36:17,039 --> 01:36:21,039 but not quite as smart as us. Where you know, Chimpanzees don't 1204 01:36:21,119 --> 01:36:28,560 use fire. Sasquatch don't use fire. Chimpanzees use simple tools. Sasquatch has 1205 01:36:28,600 --> 01:36:32,680 been reported to use simple tools. Chimpanzees do not wear clothing, neither to 1206 01:36:32,720 --> 01:36:45,000 do sasquatch right where you know. So, the the other problem is is 1207 01:36:45,039 --> 01:36:54,640 that us, as Homo sapiens, we have something called anthropost centrism, and 1208 01:36:54,640 --> 01:37:00,800 that's we tend to give our abilities to other creatures. Oh, look, 1209 01:37:00,039 --> 01:37:03,600 the dog is playing hide and seek with us. No, it's not hide 1210 01:37:03,640 --> 01:37:08,720 and seek as something humans do. It's responding to the stimuli you're giving it, 1211 01:37:08,800 --> 01:37:14,479 and it's responding. Uh, it's getting stimuli by what your actions are 1212 01:37:14,520 --> 01:37:19,600 doing. Yeah right, it's not really playing hide and seek, so you 1213 01:37:19,640 --> 01:37:24,159 know, that's something we have to be aware of. And I think some 1214 01:37:24,199 --> 01:37:28,760 of this supernatural stuff or this well it's it's a person, it's just one. 1215 01:37:28,920 --> 01:37:31,840 It's just us in a different it's just you know, they've rejected society. 1216 01:37:31,880 --> 01:37:36,600 Okay, yeah right, that's just anthropercentrism. So I think there's a 1217 01:37:36,600 --> 01:37:41,840 lot of that in it, in our own arrogance that or maybe it's our 1218 01:37:41,880 --> 01:37:45,680 minds breaking down just saying I can't you know. And this happens with super 1219 01:37:45,720 --> 01:37:56,760 intelligent people too. I am my intelligent thing can't realize why we can't get 1220 01:37:56,800 --> 01:38:00,760 this thing, and it crumbles them because of the go So they turned to 1221 01:38:00,880 --> 01:38:08,079 this alternative explanation as an explain all, well it's supernatural, Well it's easy, 1222 01:38:08,119 --> 01:38:11,159 and then it's easy to fall in that pitfall because then you don't need 1223 01:38:11,279 --> 01:38:16,439 science in the physics yea, and psychology to back any of that up. 1224 01:38:18,560 --> 01:38:24,560 You can't explain Sorry, that ends my ran Sorry yeah, no, no, 1225 01:38:25,000 --> 01:38:29,079 I mean you can't explain one mystery with another mystery. You know, 1226 01:38:29,399 --> 01:38:35,520 you just can't do that. Yeah, but that's my process. Now, 1227 01:38:36,479 --> 01:38:42,359 are there a lot of scientific things that can explain some of the mind speak 1228 01:38:42,920 --> 01:38:45,000 or the blinking out or well it was there and then it was just gone 1229 01:38:45,039 --> 01:38:47,800 in front of my eyes. Well have you ever seen a big Have you 1230 01:38:47,840 --> 01:38:51,720 ever seen a big put before? Well? No, I haven't. Well 1231 01:38:53,760 --> 01:38:56,600 let me explain you something. When you see something your mind does is not 1232 01:38:56,640 --> 01:39:01,600 in your mind's catalog. It takes a second to go, what is it 1233 01:39:01,640 --> 01:39:08,000 I'm looking at? And then what happens is when your mind focus is back 1234 01:39:08,039 --> 01:39:13,760 in, it's gone. Oh it just disappeared. Your mind had a little 1235 01:39:13,800 --> 01:39:17,560 bump. The other thing you have, too, is what they call traumatic 1236 01:39:17,560 --> 01:39:23,279 regression. When you have a traumatic experience, none blanks out right, Your 1237 01:39:23,319 --> 01:39:27,800 mind blanks out. That's why people can't remember car accidents. White people can't 1238 01:39:27,840 --> 01:39:30,880 remember that moment of impact even though they don't have a brain injury. They 1239 01:39:30,960 --> 01:39:34,920 might have had a concussion, but the concussion isn't responsible for losing their memory. 1240 01:39:35,479 --> 01:39:41,239 It's the mind protecting itself from that impact. It's why kids who get 1241 01:39:41,239 --> 01:39:45,720 abused forget that as small children, and they remember that as adults eventually. 1242 01:39:46,600 --> 01:39:50,600 It's also an explained PTSD in people or bigfoot on the brain. They have 1243 01:39:50,640 --> 01:39:55,920 a legitimate encounter. And then everything every blob squatch, every picture they take 1244 01:39:55,960 --> 01:39:59,039 they see Bigfoot in or every shadow in the woods is big board. Everything 1245 01:39:59,039 --> 01:40:04,399 they hear in the woods Bigfoot mimicking another known animal. That's just signs of 1246 01:40:04,479 --> 01:40:10,159 ps PTSD. And the chances are if you go to the very first time 1247 01:40:10,199 --> 01:40:15,840 they've had a sighting or an encounter, it's probably legitimate. So bets are 1248 01:40:15,880 --> 01:40:19,680 some food for that on my my? Uh So, what do y'all think 1249 01:40:19,680 --> 01:40:29,600 about all the blob squatches and paradolia red circle pictures that are bombarding the internet. 1250 01:40:30,600 --> 01:40:32,119 Well, like I said, it goes back to people that have big 1251 01:40:32,119 --> 01:40:38,479 Foot on the brain PTSD, or it's the paradolia effect. You know, 1252 01:40:38,560 --> 01:40:42,319 people see the Jesus in the grilled cheese sandwich or the star of David and 1253 01:40:42,399 --> 01:40:46,399 the grill, I don't know whatever in the grilled cheese sandwich, and Nick, 1254 01:40:46,479 --> 01:40:50,119 I don't know how to explain your ex's mom that woman ain't natural. 1255 01:40:50,199 --> 01:40:56,079 I'm sorry, but I can tell you something. There was a guy that 1256 01:40:56,920 --> 01:41:00,000 ran into that situation. Well, you look like Bigfoot if you show. 1257 01:41:05,600 --> 01:41:13,800 But I really think that part of it is internet based where you get into 1258 01:41:13,840 --> 01:41:21,600 this uh group hysteria basically, and you will find people that will, you 1259 01:41:21,640 --> 01:41:27,439 know, go along with anything. It's almost like a mob mentality. In 1260 01:41:27,560 --> 01:41:35,800 certain I'm all for keeping an open mind, but the encounters that I've had, 1261 01:41:36,039 --> 01:41:43,720 I've not experienced anything very normal or supernatural. Now, I did experience 1262 01:41:43,760 --> 01:41:49,640 something that I witnessed that was superhuman, and that that's that's natural because these 1263 01:41:49,680 --> 01:41:56,840 creatures are not human. They're physically well. When they reach a certain age, 1264 01:41:56,840 --> 01:42:00,640 they're physically bigger and stronger than we are, and they can do things 1265 01:42:00,640 --> 01:42:05,560 that we can't do, even even a bear of superhuman. You know, 1266 01:42:05,680 --> 01:42:10,640 you're get with a grizzly egg and you know. And then let me explain. 1267 01:42:10,680 --> 01:42:15,079 The fourth actual thing is perhaps they're not seeing a bigfoot. Perhaps it's 1268 01:42:15,119 --> 01:42:18,880 something paranormal in nature manifesting has a bigfoot or manifesting in their mind, is 1269 01:42:18,880 --> 01:42:24,880 a big foot or manifesting not necessarily a bigfoot. That could explain the dog 1270 01:42:24,960 --> 01:42:30,079 man is that these people aren't having crypto experiences, they're having paranormal experiences. 1271 01:42:30,880 --> 01:42:34,680 The same thing with people saying what they think is a big foot that disappears, 1272 01:42:34,680 --> 01:42:38,159 but you look at me. A lot of those people too will say, 1273 01:42:38,159 --> 01:42:41,159 well, look more like a man, and it mind spoke to me. 1274 01:42:41,239 --> 01:42:44,159 Well, perhaps it wasn't a big foot, perhaps it was something paranormal. 1275 01:42:44,199 --> 01:42:48,479 It wasn't because let's face it, our land is very old and it 1276 01:42:48,520 --> 01:42:54,560 was inhabited by aboriginals that the white man came and pushed out. This is 1277 01:42:54,600 --> 01:42:57,880 going to cause a lot of bad blood and a lot of bad energy and 1278 01:42:57,920 --> 01:43:00,760 bad juju. So it is possible that some of this could be paranormal, 1279 01:43:00,800 --> 01:43:03,439 if you want to go on that side of the argument. That reminds me. 1280 01:43:03,560 --> 01:43:08,560 Years ago, we had a guest on It was a midnight walker from 1281 01:43:08,640 --> 01:43:12,880 Georgia, and you know, he was a thorough believer and he may still 1282 01:43:12,920 --> 01:43:16,680 be that that the bigfoot can mind speak, you know, because he had 1283 01:43:17,000 --> 01:43:21,880 I think he shared with us on the show. He had told the thought 1284 01:43:21,960 --> 01:43:27,359 to the big yetta sighting and he thought to the bigfoot to turn left or 1285 01:43:27,399 --> 01:43:30,079 something, or or stop wait let me let me see you, you know, 1286 01:43:30,479 --> 01:43:35,000 and the creature stopped at the same time he thought that. But you 1287 01:43:35,039 --> 01:43:39,199 know, we pointed out, well, man, you know, it could 1288 01:43:39,199 --> 01:43:42,840 have been a coincidence, you know, because I've been you know, coming 1289 01:43:42,920 --> 01:43:46,159 up to I've pulled this on my wife and son. Before we'd be driving 1290 01:43:46,239 --> 01:43:50,000 up to a red light, the lights red and I would say turn green, 1291 01:43:50,239 --> 01:43:54,159 now you know, And then the light would turn green. I said, 1292 01:43:54,199 --> 01:43:59,159 see, I did that right. So Keith Allen out in our chat 1293 01:43:59,199 --> 01:44:02,680 and brings up a great point. So the WU crowd are likely to fall 1294 01:44:02,720 --> 01:44:08,000 for scams and spend money. They are bigger suckers. So that's why grifters 1295 01:44:08,039 --> 01:44:14,239 love to make up WU stories. Let me predicate something there. It's not 1296 01:44:14,319 --> 01:44:16,560 just the WU folks that are making up WO story. It's not the folks 1297 01:44:16,640 --> 01:44:20,720 that are just making up WU stories. Remember, I've been in this field 1298 01:44:21,439 --> 01:44:29,439 a lot longer than many have now, and before the Internet there was very 1299 01:44:29,479 --> 01:44:38,239 little WU, very little WU spun up because of the Internet. But there 1300 01:44:38,319 --> 01:44:45,920 are grifters, there are jokers, and there are the psycholog psychologically needy people 1301 01:44:46,279 --> 01:44:50,920 that have made up stories since this mystery began. And it's not just in 1302 01:44:50,920 --> 01:44:56,960 this particular field. It's in neupology, it's in the paranormal world, it's 1303 01:44:57,000 --> 01:45:00,840 in the loch Ness world and the other cryptid areas as well. We've talked 1304 01:45:00,840 --> 01:45:05,319 about how about the Surgeon film or the Surgeon photo, Lockness, the Gable 1305 01:45:05,399 --> 01:45:14,359 film, dog Man, and there's and there's countless others. So you look 1306 01:45:14,359 --> 01:45:20,279 at all this information and that's just human nature. And if somebody comes out 1307 01:45:20,319 --> 01:45:24,920 with a great story that I had this big, bigfoot sighting and it sounds 1308 01:45:25,000 --> 01:45:30,039 legitimate. And I'll give you a great example, the Mississippi skuncate video that 1309 01:45:30,119 --> 01:45:33,800 guy put up on a Facebook going viral and blah blah blah, and it 1310 01:45:33,840 --> 01:45:39,520 turns out that it's made for a TV show. Turns out that the person 1311 01:45:39,560 --> 01:45:44,359 who put out there, Josh Highcliffe, never even existed. He was a 1312 01:45:44,680 --> 01:45:47,640 character made up for a TV show, portrayed by an actor whose face was 1313 01:45:47,680 --> 01:45:54,000 blurred out on the shoot. The actor himself said that the whole thing was 1314 01:45:54,039 --> 01:45:58,560 made up. So when you look at that, yep. So when you've 1315 01:45:58,840 --> 01:46:01,920 never heard that, yep, when you got to spend some time on my 1316 01:46:02,039 --> 01:46:09,239 channel. But the video on that as well, it's one of my debunkings. 1317 01:46:12,239 --> 01:46:17,960 So there are people now their whole goal in the Mississippi's Counca video wasn't 1318 01:46:18,000 --> 01:46:27,279 necessarily a individual's way to get money. It was the way the show wanted 1319 01:46:27,319 --> 01:46:31,319 to perpetuate itself and get some excitement about it. So in a way it 1320 01:46:31,520 --> 01:46:35,880 was for profit, but it was very indirect, So we got to be 1321 01:46:35,960 --> 01:46:40,199 aware of the different types of scams that are out there. In the different 1322 01:46:40,239 --> 01:46:44,439 types, like people ask me, you know the whole Tom Bascardy thing, 1323 01:46:44,520 --> 01:46:48,079 is Tom Bascardy a hoaxer? Well, he's a hoax enabler because he doesn't 1324 01:46:48,119 --> 01:46:51,720 create the hoaxes, but he finds the hoaxers that do, and then he 1325 01:46:51,800 --> 01:46:56,359 takes their story and if he can make a buck with it, he'll run 1326 01:46:56,399 --> 01:47:02,439 with it. And all over I was grouped. He gets duped a lot, 1327 01:47:02,520 --> 01:47:08,199 don't he Sure it does. And it's just like this latest cat that 1328 01:47:08,239 --> 01:47:11,920 we who, no surprise, is a good friend of the Scarti or one 1329 01:47:11,960 --> 01:47:15,359 of the Scarti followers who tried sending this picture that we've found on the internet. 1330 01:47:15,920 --> 01:47:20,039 And then he tried to explain it away by saying his co hosts of 1331 01:47:20,079 --> 01:47:24,000 his radio show, who died a year ago, sent it to him, 1332 01:47:24,520 --> 01:47:30,239 and the evidence he tried to show me was very doctored up. So there 1333 01:47:30,239 --> 01:47:34,600 are different scams that go on all the time. But great comment and a 1334 01:47:34,640 --> 01:47:41,439 good one to you know, obviously keep on going with. So that's my 1335 01:47:41,560 --> 01:47:48,279 take on it. Dude, very almost killed two hours he're talking it's went 1336 01:47:48,319 --> 01:47:55,720 by fast. I think we could have done a three hour show today. 1337 01:47:55,760 --> 01:47:59,920 Wayne's been a great guest. And what kind of conversation I mean, dude, 1338 01:48:00,439 --> 01:48:06,479 sparks conversation unlike unbelievably not only answered questions, you're asking us questions too. 1339 01:48:06,680 --> 01:48:13,079 It's you I'm supposed to do that. Wow, it's good, you 1340 01:48:13,079 --> 01:48:15,720 know what. You know what, I always love this show because it's like 1341 01:48:15,359 --> 01:48:19,359 having a conversation. It's not an interview. This is a conversation exactly. 1342 01:48:19,880 --> 01:48:24,000 It's like a bunch of buddies sitting around with our chat room friends. Here. 1343 01:48:24,560 --> 01:48:27,880 We're having a couple of drinks or you know, I'm trying to stay 1344 01:48:27,920 --> 01:48:30,479 you know, I don't want to get silly, so I'm drinking mountain dew. 1345 01:48:30,119 --> 01:48:33,439 But you know, but it's like sitting around a bar, sitting there 1346 01:48:33,520 --> 01:48:38,000 having a conversation, a serious conversation about the topic. And I love it. 1347 01:48:38,720 --> 01:48:42,039 Yeah. Yeah, that's what I try to do, is keep it 1348 01:48:42,119 --> 01:48:45,199 conversation based. Yeah, and I find out that I find that's the best 1349 01:48:45,199 --> 01:48:55,560 way. Oh man, yeah, we geez, Steve, You're coming on 1350 01:48:55,560 --> 01:48:59,439 my show buddy pretty soon? I sure, am. That's early next month. 1351 01:48:59,479 --> 01:49:02,680 I think what's before I have to look at my calendar. I'm not 1352 01:49:02,720 --> 01:49:06,640 sure. Yes, it's a Wednesday evening and I could make it because I 1353 01:49:06,720 --> 01:49:11,960 get off early on Wednesday evenings. So, Chris, I'd like to extend 1354 01:49:12,000 --> 01:49:15,840 the same invitation to you. I'd like to get I appreciate it. But 1355 01:49:15,920 --> 01:49:20,279 Steve is the he's the media guy, he's the guy to talk to. 1356 01:49:21,239 --> 01:49:25,399 Okay, are you kidding it? Before he was the co host of the 1357 01:49:25,399 --> 01:49:29,640 show, I had to pull tee to get him on the show as a 1358 01:49:29,720 --> 01:49:33,319 guest. Yeah, I really don't do the And then and then one day 1359 01:49:33,560 --> 01:49:39,000 I was having I didn't have a co host at the time. I had 1360 01:49:39,039 --> 01:49:44,119 a run in with somebody on the show that was lying about something, and 1361 01:49:44,319 --> 01:49:47,359 uh, all of a sudden, Chris called in and started just giving it 1362 01:49:47,399 --> 01:49:58,000 to him. I wouldn't say all that gave it very questions, very intelligent 1363 01:49:58,039 --> 01:50:03,960 and intellectual manner. Thank you very good. So but you know, I 1364 01:50:05,840 --> 01:50:08,880 got to say, it was a pleasure having you on. I had a 1365 01:50:08,920 --> 01:50:11,520 lot of fun. I'm looking forward to getting on your show and getting put 1366 01:50:11,600 --> 01:50:15,840 in the hot seat because it's the hot seat I love. Sometimes I don't 1367 01:50:15,880 --> 01:50:20,800 mind those tough interviews, so it'll be like this want to be more of 1368 01:50:20,800 --> 01:50:28,600 a conversation. It's not going to be very hot, buddy, So anyway, 1369 01:50:28,720 --> 01:50:32,359 Chris do your thing. Brother again. I want to thank Wayne for 1370 01:50:32,399 --> 01:50:35,760 being with us here tonight. It's been great man, Thank you so much. 1371 01:50:36,359 --> 01:50:40,800 It's been an honor having you. I want to thank everybody in chat, 1372 01:50:40,880 --> 01:50:45,640 all our listeners, and we appreciate you guys. You know, you're 1373 01:50:45,680 --> 01:50:48,359 the greatest audience we could ever hope to have. Thank you so much for 1374 01:50:48,399 --> 01:50:55,479 being a part of the channel. And Steve, oh if it's his first 1375 01:50:55,520 --> 01:50:59,199 time watching on YouTube, if you're not subscribed yet, bump that button. 1376 01:51:00,159 --> 01:51:03,920 The like button helps the algorithm. Okay, and and thank you folks. 1377 01:51:04,039 --> 01:51:08,680 Let's not start at this late in the game. Ron saying happy birthday because 1378 01:51:08,760 --> 01:51:15,600 yesterday was my birthday and uh, happy birthday. I thank you. You 1379 01:51:15,680 --> 01:51:26,239 know, another another year closer to the walker on the ground. You I'm 1380 01:51:26,279 --> 01:51:30,920 just there's no depends involved. But anyway, I want to bank Wayne for 1381 01:51:30,960 --> 01:51:32,840 coming on. You were a great guest, had a lot of fun. 1382 01:51:32,880 --> 01:51:38,640 We'll get you on again real soon. We gotta we gotta continue this conversation 1383 01:51:39,319 --> 01:51:42,920 and the next trip out, you know, please, you know, let 1384 01:51:43,000 --> 01:51:45,239 us know and uh, well, we'll keep an eye on it and then 1385 01:51:45,279 --> 01:51:48,720 maybe have you on and talk about it. So sounds good, buddy, 1386 01:51:48,920 --> 01:51:53,159 all right, my brother? All right, folks on me, have everybody 1387 01:51:53,239 --> 01:51:58,600 here. We want to wish everybody a happy and safe week. If you're 1388 01:51:58,680 --> 01:52:01,239 not checking out The big Foot and Friday nights at nine pm, you gotta 1389 01:52:01,359 --> 01:52:03,840 start checking that out. We have a lot of fun. We cover a 1390 01:52:03,880 --> 01:52:09,720 lot of different stories, and we give oursel you know, our honest evaluations 1391 01:52:09,720 --> 01:52:13,840 of those stories. So check it out. It's Friday night's nine pm Eastern's 1392 01:52:13,880 --> 01:52:17,199 only one hour show. Of course, obviously you can show up live or 1393 01:52:17,279 --> 01:52:21,880 you can watch it and replay and get some completely different takes on things that 1394 01:52:21,960 --> 01:52:27,239 go on that we don't normally talk about here on the show, but they 1395 01:52:27,279 --> 01:52:31,319 are all Bigfoot related. So but anyway, on behalf of myself, Chris 1396 01:52:31,439 --> 01:52:34,359 and Wayne. I want to wish everybody happy, safe, healthy week. 1397 01:52:35,640 --> 01:52:42,359 You know, you know obviously say healthy and God bless and of course keep 1398 01:52:42,399 --> 01:52:45,359 on squatch and we'll see you all here this Friday night, nine pm Eastern 1399 01:52:45,439 --> 01:52:51,159 on The Bigfoot News. Catch all in bed. They say you don't gotta 1400 01:52:51,319 --> 01:53:02,560 go, but you caysday I don't want to be as alone. We're all 1401 01:53:02,680 --> 01:53:30,319 living, kiss, trying this job, that chary everything. Call me right 1402 01:53:30,600 --> 01:53:40,039 back, riding Joy for me and Joy staying right there. Call it right 1403 01:53:40,159 --> 01:54:49,720 away, says SSSSS Games sassss used