I was listening to the story about It was the story of a family in
Washington and the little boy called the big Foot the cowboy man, and he
had apparently it had made an effort to steal this kid. And it hit
me. My children were in that play pen behind me for nothing but a
mosquito net over them. It could have crept up behind me and taken both
of my children and I wouldn't know. His father just got like a Mustang
or something from Wyoming, Okay. He had it out in the corral because
he couldn't put it in the barn with in the stalls with the other horses.
Said would kick and made all the other horses nervous. At a seminal
Indian work in the horse trying to break it. Every day they had it
out in the corral. The skunky snuck up behind his horse and grabbed it
bon its hindquarters. This particular horse that kicks out, jumps over the corral,
runs into the pair, you know, to get away. At this
point, the ranchers out there just blessed away with the dirty, dirty stun
gave runs into the swamp. I went up there one day after that or
two days after that, I went up there and sat in the silence up
there, and I'm telling you, man, it was free. It was
crazy, you know it was. There was a crazy vibe up there.
Still. I did what I could to kind of get things out of control.
But I told her, I said, you need to get off this
property. I feel like, no matter how strong you are, it's almost
like standing in the ocean. You can't stand still without moving your feet.
You're going to get knocked over eventually. No matter how strong whatever, you
can't withstand a barrage of of weird spiritual energy. Hey, everybody, what's
up playing? Welcome back to Paranormal Odyssey. Got another interview that I did
a little while back then I'm wanting to share with you guys. I was
a guest over with Steve Coles and his co host Chris Over on The Squatch
Detective. Had a really, really good time over there. I gotta say
it's one of the more fun interviews that I probably have ever done. I'm
a big, big fan of Steve and everything that he does. About a
month after this, Steve came on my show and Yeah, I can't wait
for you guys to hear it. I'm sure that there are a lot of
you out there that haven't had a chance to hear it just yet, so
I wanted to bring it to you. All Right, guys, snuff of
all of that. Let's get started. So Wayne Hadah, Hell are you
brother? I am just fantastic. Guys. How are we all doing today?
I'm very very honored to be here. I've been looking forward to this.
I really have. Well we are I honor is all on this site.
Sarah. Yeah. Now, now, just so everybody knows, you
do your own podcast called Paranormal Odacy. If you want to, let's talk
a little bit about Paranormal Odyssey before we start. Yeah, yeah, I'd
be happy to. I do my own show, Paranormal Odissey. I also
co host that Bigfoot on this odyssey, I'm sorry, that Bigfoot podcast with
Brian from Sasquatch Odyssey. He and I work together. He's the one that
actually started Paranormal Odyssey, you know. He he's a host of Sasquatch Odissey,
the wildly successful you know bigfoot podcast. It's like number I think it's
like number three in the world, you know, behind the couple that we
know about. So I hooked up with Brian. A couple of years ago,
we became really fast friends. He offered me the opportunity to take over
Paranormal Odyssey. I was doing my own thing on on Facebook with Manimal Research,
with my organization that I founded, so I took that over. I've
done a little over one hundred episodes right now. And yeah, Brian and
I recently started that Bigfoot podcast. We're like twenty something up so then and
having a ball with it. You guys, hey, if y'all haven't seen
that yet, I invite you to go, please go check that out anywhere
you can find podcasts. We've only done a couple of live shows on YouTube
and you can find those over at the Sasquatch Odyssey page. But uh yeah,
yeah, that's Paranormal Odyssey. I talked to everyone. I'm a bigfoot
guy. That's how I got my start in this. But I've always been
interested in everything spooky. So we have ghost hunters on there. I've talked
to several psychic mediums, UFO people, people would that have been abducted and
had sightings and stuff like that. It's just a wide gamut of creepy stuff.
Basically, I think like most everybody else. Wayne, You've probably interested
in mystery just like everybody else. Absolutely. I always laugh when ghost people
say a big fight, that's that's not real. Yeah, what the hell?
Like, what what are you talking about? Well, that's funny.
Quite I love the mystery stuff. Whatever. If something's popped on TV,
you know, and it's like, I don't care what it's talking about.
Did the Aliens build the pyramid or something other? Heck, I'm watching it,
you know. I'll give them fifteen minutes to watch time if it catches
my interest. I watched the whole thing. So let's roll. Let's roll
back the clock. What got you interested in the big Foot topic? You
know, Steve, I've been interested in my entire life, and I've told
this story, you know, so many times. But I'm new to your
show, so there's probably some people here that I'm new to, so I
don't mind telling it again. I just had a lot of long interest in
cryptids. Really. You know, back when I was in school in the
late eighties early nineties, we would go to uh, you know, you
go to school, and a couple of times a week you were allowed to
go to the library and check out a book and then return it. The
next time you came. I always found myself looking for bigfoot stuff and cryptid
you know, a lot, this monster, a troop of carbra alien,
just just weird stuff. Back then, there was no Internet. Obviously,
there was no Google machine that if we want to know something nowadays, we
just type it in and find out about it instantly. It's all we had
back then. So I took advantage of it every opportunity that I got.
You know, and then you grow up, other stuff becomes important important,
you know, you have kids, have a family, work takes over,
you lose interest in all that stuff. But back in twenty nineteen, I
was working at a place that was about an hour's fifty five minutes almost an
hour commute one way, you know there, and then another fifty five minutes
back. And my car went down. So I had to borrow a truck
from my dad while mine was in the shop. And what happens the second
day that I get that truck, the damn radio goes out. What am
I going to do two hours of my day driving in this truck with nothing
to listen to? So that's when I discovered podcasts. I started. I
looked up all the weird crap I could find. Started listening to a show
called Monsters among Us. A lot of you may know it, loved it,
started binging the heck out of it. But I found myself wishing everyone,
wishing everyone would just shut up with all the other stuff and get back
to Bigfoot, because that's really all I wanted to hear. So I did
some more searching in lo and behold, who would have thunk it, there
are podcasts that dedicated to nothing but Bigfoot. I had no idea at all.
So I found one, the biggest one out there, and I started
listening. That was like, at that time, there was like five hundred
episodes. I was in heaven, dude, I've loved it. I started
from the beginning and just started going through them, and it didn't take me
long to find out that there were actually people that were going out in the
woods looking for this thing. I always thought that there would there would be
out west, you know, California, Oregon, Washington, Pacific Northwest.
It never occurred to me that big Boot could even be in my part of
the country. Again, I'm in I'm in Southeast Tennessee, in that Chattanooga
area, so I'm right down here I joke with people one of my hotspots
is in Tennessee. I can throw a rock into Georgia and pee into North
Carolina and be standing in Tennessee. I'm right there in the corner of all
three states. So, uh, I had no idea that these things were
out there in my area. But but why wouldn't they be. You know,
there were surrounded by mountains. It's wilderness. I mean, what anything.
All you have to have is food, water, and shelter, and
that's here. Man. I'm sitting right in the middle of all of that.
So it just amazed me that there were people in my area that were
doing this. And I'm listening to that show one day and this gentleman gets
on there and he talks about He starts to tell his encounter. He says,
I live in a small town in Tennessee, about forty five miles north,
about forty five minutes north of Chattanooga. Damn, I live in a
small town forty five minutes north of Chattanooga. And I'm listening. And the
more he starts, the more he keeps talking, the more it sounds familiar,
and he finally rebuilds the name of this place. I'm like, this
is a place that I've been with my family, I've walked this place,
and so that really, you know, piqued my interest in with the blessing
of my fiance at the time, we're married now, with her blessing,
you know, she it's important to have the other half. Blessing tell me.
You know you're knowledgeable about this, you're clearly passionate about it. Little
did we know. She said, it's not going to take a whole lot
of money to get started, you know, right, Yeah, so you
know you need to just do it. So I started my organization animal research.
But getting back to that area that that gentleman was talking about. Once
I got started and I had a buddy that was interested in it with me,
we went to this area and we found this man that worked there.
I don't know if he's a ranger or what, but he works for the
state and he's over this area. It's called the Pocket Wilderness. Anybody that's
local probably knows about it. Well, he's over this area, has been
for years. So I go and I talked to him. I asked him
some information about camping because that's what I wanted to do, some backcountry camping
and I asked him. I said, so camping, what about what do
we need to look out for? Are there any precautions we need to take?
What kind of critters are out here? And he says, well,
we recommend you tie your food up in a tree. There's been sightings of
bear, and of course you got raccoons and all the normal stuff. And
I looked at him and I said, well, what about much taller critters,
maybe say covered in hair? And his eyes got about that bigger round
and he looked at me and he said, yes, they're here, and
I've seen them, and I about lost it. I said, you got
to tell me. You can tell me, and he pointed over to his
right and I left. And he said, I saw one running up that
ridge. I've been yelled at, screamed at, and I've had rocks on
it at me. I don't know how many times. He says, I
can't talk about it officially, but I'm telling you they're here. So I
can't talk to him on the record, obviously, but that just excites me.
Man, that told me that there might be something here to look into.
And I started then, and you know, that's a really long answer
to your short question. Good wow. And you know it's amazing because I
recall talking to a New York State forest ranger many years ago and I said,
yeah, I bet you think we're all out here for a bunch of
belogne. And he turned around and said, oh no, he goes there's
areas in these woods that hasn't been touched by man for hundreds of year,
you know, for one hundred years, so anything's possible. And you know,
just flat out boom, oh no, I'm not discounting this at all.
And it kind of struck me aback because this guy was a veteran,
veteran forest ranger. I mean he was well into his fifties at the time,
and so you know, he'd been on the job for about twenty years
or so. Yeah. I was like, ohh and we hear this constantly
too, that you know, you have these rangers we had years ago,
and I don't know if he's even still alive that if he is, I
hope he's in good health. But we had Charles Branson on from Oklahoma who
is a forest ranger, who said, oh, yeah, we knew these
things existed in our in our state lands, and so yeah, talking to
a game a ranger out in New Mexico slash Arizona, the Four Corners area.
I remember him recounting a story of him finding, you know, tracks
in a wrecked camp site after the guys came down and sady, can you
get our stuff because we didn't want to go back up there. So yeah,
I mean that is really a cool way to get involved in it.
Though it's like, oh, wow, doesn't that doesn't that just jet your
enthusiasm up the bet Absolutely? And you know, I've been fairly fortunate when
when talking to the government officials, I guess I've seen both sides of it.
I want to talk to a couple of rangers. The second one that
I talked to informed me about something else. He warned me about another cryptid
or creature that you know, we can talk about it if you luck.
And then another time we had the US Army run us off of an expedition
in uh in the Blue Ridge Mountains. So I've seen both sides. I've
been It's been welcome to me, and then I've had people to to not
be so welcoming. Yeah, I wonder what the I wonder what the Army
had going on there. It could be they may have a live fire exercise
or something. But there there I don't know if I don't think it was
lifeire, but they were. There were absolutely some rounds that were being spread.
And this was in the middle of nowhere, in the Blue Ridge Mountains
in Georgia. And I mean, I'm going to tell the story if you
if you don't mind stick. We're on an expedition. There's there's about ten
of us. Uh, there's actually a small child. One of the members
brought his wife and their son, and then the rest of us were investigators.
And we get to this location and we're going out, we're doing our
high looking around and everything, and we hear just this rapid gunfire and either
the armies out here doing an exercise or there's a redneck out here with a
lot of money and some time to kill. Because these rounds were just going.
It got our attention, it definitely did. It made us start heading
back toward camp. And one of the members that were there was ex military,
former military, and he told us that he thinks that this area that
the army does exercises here. Well, we're back at camp and a couple
of minutes in to returning, we see this military hum D pull up,
and then another one behind it, and this gentleman jumps out and he's a
younger guy, probably early I mean, mid to late twenties, i'd say,
extremely polite, very personable, just a really nice man. Everything you
think about when you think about the military. He gets out, comes over,
shakes our hands, introduces himself, says, we're in the area.
So you guys are absolutely fine. You are fine to be here. We're
in the area doing some exercises. About forty five minutes will be out of
your hair. You'll never know we were here, said, if they do
their jobs right, you'll never know they were here. And so yeah,
cool, it's all right. And we were just talking, you know,
bs and for a couple of minutes. And then my buddy, the vice
president of the company, Manimal Research, he sticks his foot in his mouth.
He takes the queue to go ahead and ask this guy, well,
I'll tell you what we're doing. We're out here looking for bigfoot. We're
researchers. Have you experienced anything like that? And guys, I tell you,
his personality switched. It went from very polite and friendly to very matter
of fact. He cut the conversation off. He said okay, well nice
to meet you, and ended it and walked away. And well, first
off, he told us, no, there was nothing in that area.
They never seen anything in that area. Then he walks back and I see
him talking to who I'm assuming is this commanding officer sitting in the hundie,
and they're looking at us. He keeps looking back at us and like,
man, what do we do? Are we in trouble? It's just weird
feeling just came over all of us. They never said another word to us.
The rest of the soldiers that were in the woods doing the exercise,
we started seeing headlamps all around us, and like, what are they doing?
They were gathering firewood. They went from this man telling us forty five
minutes, we'll be out of your hair. He had the place to yourself
for the rest of the weekend, to them making a fire and five or
six of them staying. They stayed all night. They weren't planning on staying.
They didn't have and they had like the little fold out chairs. That's
all they had. There were no tents or no sleeping bags. They were
picking their own firewood. I mean, I don't even know if they had
anything to eat, but they stayed and they made it as unpleasant on us.
I have pictures. You know, my son was with me, and
that's some other friends with me, and I have pictures. I made it
look like I was just taking a picture of me and my son, but
I was really trying to illustrate how close these guys were to us. This
field was massive, they had plenty of room. They were forty fifty feet
off of us. I mean, they were loud, they were obnoxious,
they were telling dirty jokes. We had a kid with us. They were
like urinating in like taking a leak and stuff. They made it so hard
on us. They didn't they never asked us to leave. But we put
up with the knight of that, and we packed up the next morning.
We did not feel welcome and didn't feel right, so we cut what was
going to be a two possibly three day expedition. We cut it. We
ended it after that first night. And I just wish that, I wish
I could illustrate to everybody how this young man's demeanor changed. He was so
polite and friendly and nice and then just an asshole, like just like that.
And it was after we mentioned Bigfoot. Well, I wonder Yeah,
that was the thing. You think that had anything to do with it,
or that was everything to do with it. I think that that was it.
I can't think of anything else, Chris, I don't know. You're
muted to see I am muted. Ah. I was watching the chat scroll
by, and you know, there's some thoughts out there say that maybe they
were watching you guys just see what you were going to do. But I
think really the them making all that noise and being harassed, they wanted you
guys out of there. Now, what reason is it to stop your bigfoot
research? Or maybe they think you're just a bunch and no offense is meant.
But here's just a bunch of hillbullies out here with some guns looking for
bigfoot. They're going to get somebody hurt. So we'll just keep some guys
near them for the night. You guys want to camp out, yep,
all right, cool, and you camp out, make some noise, get
them out of there, and then we have to worry about that area.
I mean, that's also a possibility. Absolutely. I've considered every bit of
that. Yeah, and yeah, and it's one of those we were very
armed. I don't go in the woods unless I'm armed, sure, but
it's not like we were advertising it. I didn't have anything on my hip.
We didn't have long guns out no one did we hide our guns.
We don't. That's one of our rules when we go. I feel like
big pot knows what guns are. Just have that feeling I always have.
So if you're going out into the world, is doing an expedition looking for
Bigfoot, what's the point in carrying a gun. You're not going to get
close to them, in my opinion, So I always have my forty five
on my hip, and that's not for Bigfoot, that's for anything else,
a tweaker in the woods, a hog, a bear, just to get
whatever it is off of me. I have no desire to kill a big
foot. But to your point, to your point, we weren't advertising that
we were armed. It probably figured that we were. You're right, Yeah,
It's just it's fascinating because if they were really to me, if they
were really interested to see what you guys were doing, they would have camped
out near you but kept really quiet to see what you guys are doing,
instead of making a lot of noise, generating some stuff to it and making
it more of a nuance for you. Yeah, but you know they'll be
conspiracy. Sharon asked, what's a tweaker. Tweaker is somebody that you know.
I've been through the woods of North America, in the forest of North
America, and there's many occasions when you run into little shacks in the wood
where they're making crystal meth, uh, marijuana growing fields, moonshine stilleries,
distilleries. Yeah, and each one of those cases, if there's a person
around them, they're not going to be too friendly to your presence. And
likely they are armed, which is the reason why a lot of times we
go in armed, not for the Bigfoot, but it's for those kind of
dangerous situations exactly. So that that kind of answer. We do have another
question for Mick, but we'll get to that in a minute. I get
along with the military guys. Oh you know, if they were over there
shooting their them force or whatever. I say, guys, yeah, I
want to check us out, Tyle. That's HK ninety one out see which
thing about it? Yeah, but they'll they'll be a thousand conspiracy theorists out
there going you see, this is why it's a government cover up. But
really to me. It sounds so vocalized that they were They weren't out there,
They didn't show up after youwhere there. They were there when you showed
up. Correct, Yeah, yeah, yeah, And I have talked to
people since. Uh just coincidentally enough, it was like a month maybe six
weeks after that incident, I had while Blackburn on the show, on my
show, and I was interviewing him and now I'm sorry, it was Kindrar.
I always get those two confused. Yeah, kindrar garhard have you pronounce
it? And I shared that experience with him just to get his opinion,
and he told me about one of the books that he written. He interviewed
a gentleman that did his military training for the Armies in the Blue Ridge Mountains.
So it's pretty known that that area they do simulations, simulations, and
he wouldn't give me the name. Obviously, he never shared the guy's name.
And you may be aware of this guy, but I certainly wasn't.
But this guy told Ken that when they got their field manuals to go out
there and do the training that in there it states what to do if you
encounter a sasquatch. That is that is very true. There was another story
told by Sergeant Todd Nice out in Oregon, who actually retired from the military,
who confirmed that. And somewhere there is a copy of that actual manual
out there that says that there and they say not to shoot at the Sasquatch
and not to you know that they generally will leave once they realize human presences
in the area. So but their acknowledging there, it is the government acknowledging
that these things are real. YEP, do not disagree with that. But
that's one department of a government that has many departments. And while one department
may say, hey, these things exist, other departments may say, we
don't, you know, believe in it. The department, yeah, but
get somebody that's in charge of that that training. You know, the one
of the commanding officers probably got some reports from the guy say hey, we
were at here and we saw a big hairy thing out in the woods and
it was walking on two legs. You know, so they would might typically
up late, upgrade their pamphlet a little bit to tell everybody, well,
you can expect to see something harry on two legs. Uh bill. That
would I believe it was the Army training manual because sergeant A. Niche is
from the the Army was Army. He retired. They believe a a uh
uh first sergeant believe m album they do around the well that area. I
think they did like field training and maybe survival or survival school, I think
is what that was. Okay, And I know to get to that location,
guys, it was almost an hour of ten mile an hour driving on
some of the roughest roads I've ever been on, gravel pitted out, and
it was forty five minutes to an hour to get there. That's how deep
into the woods this place was. It was out there, Chris, take
it for a second. I'm going to do a quick bunch of research on
the show. Quest I'm trying to do the trying to scan the chat here.
So you, uh Wayne, I know we were talking a little bit
before the show. You just finished it a little tradition outing somewhere in Kentucky.
Do you want to talk about that any or Yeah, I'd be happy
to. I'll see my good buddy Troy from Tennessee and in the chat Troy
and I. Yeah, Troy and I headed out for a weekend outing.
We met up about ten o'clock Friday, morning Friday was awesome, the weather
was great. Everything went to plan, and when we went to bed Friday
night, about two o'clock in the morning, the bottom fell out. It
started raining, and it rained for twenty two hours. I'm not exaggerating,
I'm not kidding, twenty two hours with it didn't stop. So it was
we're gonna call it Mudfest twenty twenty four because it was just mist got some
cool vocalizations, no sighting or anything like that, but it was a great
time, had a great time with ther lbl was a destination, a bucket
list destination for me, and I'll be back. Yeah, I think it's
a good area, you know. You know, I don't know where.
There's a lot of reports that comes out of that area, and I'm not
too certain about the dog Man ones, but you know, I think that
there's a lot of merit and some of the bigfoot reports has coming out of
the area and some of the Yeah, I was interested and I wanted to
get you guys take tonight on what y'all thought dog Man was. We certainly
don't have to right now, but I would be interested and to see what
y'all thought about dog Man. Well, you know, for me, you
know, Okay, I'm I'm I'm a skeptic at heart. Now, don't
give it. Don't take that the wrong way. I am firmly convinced that
these bigfoot creatures exist because I've seen it with my own eyes. But now
dog Man, I've not seen and I've not heard anybody around here locally that's
seen one here. So if they do exist, you know, it's going
to be somewhere other than from around here. But anyway, I just kind
of wonder if it couldn't be, you know, people mistaken a bear a
bear a bigfoot because it seemed like to me, you know, the bear's
got the long snout and stuff, and if they're standing on their hind legs.
You know, I just wondering if it could be a case of mistaken
identity. We know what, Wayne, I don't know. Just like you
said just then, I to be honest and to sum it up, I
don't know what to think about dog Man. I'm not going to say it
doesn't exist. I'm not going to say it does. But when I first
started hearing about dog Man, I thought it was silly. I thought it
was a joke. I thought we let's worry about Bigfoot until we shift gears,
before we shift gears and start worrying about this giant dog on two legs
it's eating people. I thought it was silly. I thought it well for
the people that are seen one. I thought it was a misidentified big boot.
You know, everyone talks about these different classes of big butt that are
out there, different tops. I don't know how they know that, but
stay tuned for more paranormal odyssey. If that's true, and there are different
types, who's to say that we there's not a top that looks like this.
So I was thinking maybe a misidentified bigfoot. But the more people I've
talked to over the years and given that theory to, they don't. They're
always adamant. No, this was something completely different. This was a dog
that had a man's body. So I don't know. I don't. I'm
never gonna call anybody a liar, but I would I would like to.
I just don't know what to think about it. Yeah, I think so
here here's my take a bet here, I'm the dog man. Is in
some cases you have a man's body with a dog face. Some cases you
have age just a large dog with dog like legs to boot. To me,
there's a lot of inconsistency in it, and it's kind of like the
slender Man's sightings. They were generated due to Internet perusal. This all started
primarily with the Beast of Bray Road. And I don't know. Is it
just an oversized wolf? Who knows? But definitely if it's got dog like
legs, that's not conduced as the bipedal movement at all. So let's put
that. Let's put that right out there. It would be wipingly uncomfortable,
you know, trying to walk on two legs that its legs are built like.
So I think what we have is a combination of one misidentification of either
a bear or possibly even a sasquatch. Two we have a paranormal element to
it a lot of times. So is it they experienced something paranormal that's not
either Bigfoot or CRYPTI it's strictly paranormal and that's how it's manifesting. Or three
all the other explanations between hoaxes and psychological you know issues, And I think
that's where the three lie in. I do not see this as anything viable.
There's some people that will always tell stories like the famous LBL story of
a family getting any but there's never any official government corroboration. There's no family
members that are coming because you know what, my family got eaten by a
dog man. You're damn straight. They would be on the news and you
filmed by somebody saying, yes, my auntie and my uncle got eaten,
and my cousin Luigi, he got eaten by a dog man. Right,
it doesn't happen. Funny thing is I had an uncle Luigi, and when
he passed away, my aunt Luisa put his viagra down the toilet. She
couldn't get the toilet seat to come down for a week anyway, anyway,
Yeah, I mean I wouldn't. I wouldn't. I wouldn't definitely rule it
out. But you know, I've not seen it. So the only smart
answer I can say is I don't know, but I think it may be
a misidentification. But I don't know. Yeah, you know, Stevee brought
up that family that was massacred years ago. One of our buddies, Mike
Smith, he's been on with He's been on a couple shows sharing his experiences.
He lived close lived close to the LBO, and he stopped by Saturday
night and hung out with this He's lived there his entire life, and we
talked a little bit about that, because I asked him about that and some
other things that had gone on in the LBO, and he said, back
when it happened, there was all kinds of talk in the town in the
area like this actually happened, and they were covering it up somehow. Take
that for what you will. I don't know, but that that's a local
that was there during the time that remembers it. But I have to say
that he said, there was a lot of people talking about it. Yeah,
right, and we know how the rumor mill starts, you get,
Yeah, I mean, look at uh. And I don't know if people
are familiar with the Delphi murders O the two young ladies that disappear, and
they finally got her killer into custody, their killer into custody this past the
summer. But the internet was going bonkers. It was this guy. No,
it was this guy. No, it was that guy. No.
I heard they did this. I heard they did that. I heard they
did that. None of them were correct. Yeah, so a lot of
time when you have scuttle but it's taken with people have a little bit of
knowledge and that becomes dangerous. Sometimes it's dangerous, right, So do I
think maybe that's part of it was their recover up? You know, the
cover up is, oh they said it was perhaps it was a bear.
You know what if it was a bear they did all that, or a
big cat did that? You know, they're going to keep that. They
want to keep that quiet too. We remember the movie Jaws. Remember they
wanted to keep that quiet because they didn't want the beaches to close. Yeah,
right, so there may be a real world explanation for it that,
you know, is the reason why they may have wanted to keep some things
quiet. But then again, what if they thought foul play was suspect?
You know, has anybody produced the names of the people? No, No,
it's not in the story. And I'm going to I'm going to tell
you straight up that that there would be a family member if if this really
actually occurred, saying, hey, my so and so was murdered or killed
in the LBL. But that is yet to happen. Yeah, who was
that guy very recently in the last couple of years that came out and claimed
to have been there. You remember that I heard about that. Yeah,
yeah, And of course no names were dropped to the people that were involved,
of course not. So what is that telling you? We get the
same thing with them scooping dead big foot bodies in a forest fire in Nevada.
We get the same thing about the Mount Saint Helen's grabbing them that loft
of the Mount Saint Helens eruption. One name to it, just a person
talking, and no other names are associated with it. That's an issue with
that, the big issue with that. Yeah, yeah, I think it's
good to keep a little healthy skepticism, you know. Absolutely. The thing
is years ago I first read that story The Beast of LBL. I read
that on online, and to me, I got that it was a fiction
work by you know, somebody had a little bit of talent. Uh,
but uh, there was just a lot of a lot of things in there
that didn't didn't match up. Now, Tennessee Cherokee piped in said, there's
also no law enforcement reports, hospitals or corner reports, right exactly. That's
why you get tipped. You read something like that and you start checking into
it, and then you find out, well, okay, this is yeah,
you can yeah, and you combine a you canbine a story like that
that's full of gossip and anecdotes and people talking and whispers, and add that
with the X Files, which I do believe this account that this incident happened
while the X Files was airing. Really that would have probably been about ride.
Yeah, that's that's a pretty long time ago, back in the nineties.
Yeah, it was right, and that's when the X Files was airing.
So of course, here's this. It's a government conspiracy. You know,
let's face it, you know, do government conspiracy? Do government conspiracies
exist? Well, yes they do. We're finding that out with the UAP
for now. But but it has to deal with national security. A family
getting malled or malled to death in a in a national park. I believe
l b L is a national park, at least the state park. It's
a national recreation. It's a national because I've been there, you know,
in a national park. Will not send in the ultra secret group in there
to figure out what it is, because the first thing you're going to you
if I'm a ranger or a forest rangers and I have something find people dead,
you know, I'm going to look around. I'm going to call the
appropriate forensic authorities. But I'm gonna say, all this things looked like they
were killed by an animal, right? Does that is that gonna? Is
that going to blow the whistle? No, because it happens all the time
in national parks, happens in Yellowstone, you know. So to me,
it's it. You know, it's the Internet. Internet that's pretty close to
the Internet. The Internet, the Internet, all the Internet internets going crazy
on it. Mike, Mike Smith, the gentlemen I was talking about that
was a local just literally just now text me. I thought I'd come across
my watch and said that it was the late seventies, early eighties. He
thought, that's a long time. Yeah, a long time. So I
I don't know, you know, to me, you know, like I
said, that whole Delphi thing is a great example of and that other guy
which is named Colberger, the guy that killed the folks out in the in
Idaho the dorm. That's another one where the internet's going crazy about this,
making claims of this and claims of that, and they don't know. And
just like the Delphi things, they didn't really they found a lot of people
found out they were wrong when the actual complaints started and the paperwork started getting
leaved. Yeah, you're a big true crime Steve. I do follow true
crime. Course, that's back, you know again part of my investigative nature,
so I see it unsolved or something like that, and having a background
in forensic interviewing and and and some psychology based on Boom, it does kind
of spurn my interest to take a look and see how they play out.
And I watched consistently. You know how the internet just blows up, you
know, all these crazy things. Look at the UAP video that Jeremy and
I'll just go really really simple. You have the Miami alien invasion there at
the mall, completely internet based, completely spun out of control to me,
you know, Oh, well, there was two hundred police officers there well,
of course, because there was a huge fight between a couple of bunches
of kids which could have been gang related. At the same time that was
going on, some kids also lit off some firecrackers which could mint gunshots,
so they probably got reports of shots fired. It's Miami, It's Miami.
Like I said, in this area, you will get fifty to sixty cops
showing up at a mall here in upstate New York that has a population completely
in the whole entire area of about two hundred thousand people. Right, So
if you can get sixty cops and two hundred and a two hundred thousand population,
getting a couple of hundred cops in a mall and a population that has
over a million, well that's not too incredible to me. Yeah, that's
what I thought regarding that whole thing. Uh, when you if you were
to mention a mass shooter, mass shooting that's active, you're gonna have every
damn cop in the area that's there. So the fact that there were so
many police officers there, I mean for a teenage pot, yeah that would
be overkill. But you start talking about the authorities are getting reports of a
mass shooter, an active shooter, then yeah, it's gonna it's gonna draw
the attention of everyone. And then the same day that Corbell dropped that UAP
video, the Jellyfish video, which I'm sure most people have seen by now,
there was some YouTube channel that came out there and said, oh,
debunked, Yes, it's CGI, but he doesn't show any reason why it's
debunked as CGI. That right, just gives his opinion and of course,
when the Pentagon was asked about the jellyfish video, was it authentic? They
said no comment, yeah right, meaning yes, what right? It was
fake? They'd boom. We do have a couple of questions out there in
chat. First one is from Meck who says question for Wayne, would you
walk through the smoke ees in the dead and knight when there's no moon out?
By myself? Absolutely not. If I had company, I would because
I mean I still wouldn't be comfortable with it even with company, But I
feel like there's safety in numbers when it comes to these things. If you're
in a group, you're I think less likely to have an interaction versus if
you were by yourself. So to answer that alone, no, with the
group, I think it'd be pretty cool. Truthfully, you know what,
I I wouldn't do it either. Yes, I've charged after a sasquatch before,
or I bought. What I bought was a sasquatch where it's coming from
by myself. But I'm not afraid of the sasquatch as I am afraid of
other animals such as bears and wildcat. That where strengthened numbers is needed.
So if I was to walk into an area I was unfamiliar with, or
specifically what type of predators are out in those woods. Yes, of course
I'm taking somebody with me. If I'm taking a few people with me,
because there are strengthened numbers. I have walked down a hill in my own
domain where I know what animals are out there, and have hurt something approaching
me that was rather large, and that occurred on a podcast a couple of
years ago when we did the exhibition to the mountain. I merely stopped where
I was and got my Mike and technical bigfoot research. I got him down
there with me, right because I don't know what's in there. I don't
know if a moose is coming out. I don't know if it's a bear,
wild cat. I pretty much can rule out for this area, they're
very rare. So you know, I was more concerned that bear was going
to pop out of those woods. The next question is have I investigated the
LBL at all? So I will say this and allow me to tell my
LBL story real quick. I was an LBL in two thousand and six,
two thousand and seven, So anyway you yeah, no, no, that
was that was That was well anyway, So we go out and we leave
Steve Dismore back alone in camp, and he was under the instructions to stay
in camp. Listen, don't do anything to provoke. We're going to be
out in the middle of nowhere. We did know there was an occupied camp
up the road to our right, or on the same side of the road
as we were, that had a rather large group of college students that you
know, we had already visited ones, and they understood what we were doing,
and they you know, said, okay, you know, they promised
they were going to keep quiet in the complete opposite direction and across the road
from where our camp was, where there was nobody. There was no camping
on the other side of the road because it was two mountains, you know,
the other side of the road went up to a mountain and our road
dead ended to the lake. So we hear bang bang bang bang bang,
bang, tree knocks, bang, bang bang, and it went on three
or four times. So we decided, you know, and we're watching that
now. Mind you, we are completely blacked out. We are very night
vision and we can see everything. We don't need to move with lights,
and we look over the college students for some reason are moving towards our camp
a little bit, not on the on the road, but in the woods
a little bit, and they had flashlights going like they were listening for something
or they had heard something, and they're all looking around. But then we
hear these tree knocks, so we turn around and go back to camp.
We get back to camp. It was only like a five, you know,
three to five minute walk. We get back there and Dismore is sitting
in a chair pointing to where we were here in the tree knocks, and
his eyes were biggest saucers and he's like, hey, I don't know what
to say. It's pretty damn close, but it was. You know,
it was a cross street in the wood area. So at that point in
time, I'm putting one in one together. I'm a tactician. So I'm
standing there at the very foot of the lake and somebody asked me what I
think. I said, Well, we got the college students looking for something.
So they heard something over there. They weren't quite sure what it was.
There was something rustling. Then we got tree knocking over here. I'm
wondering if one is over on this side of the road and the other one
is trying to say, hey, I'm over here. And meanwhile, right
now it's dead quiet. I need to peep in the forest. So we
decide, after about fifteen minutes, let's all go up the road a bit
take a walk. So we're gonna just leave the camp abandoned. We get
maybe fifty seventy five feet out of camp and we hear this running through the
camp, running from the area which is populated over to the running to the
area where the tree knocking was occurred. And we were all accounted for and
there was nobody at our six because we were the dead end. Can't answer
it, can't explain it. Is it bigfoot? I don't know, but
it was quite interesting. So that's my LBL experience. Yeah, that was
pretty cool. I've been out there too with the same gentleman and hey,
what can somebody commented and chat earlier that there was like one road. There's
more than one road that runs through. There's one main road that runs through
LBL, but once you get off there, there's all kinds of these,
uh that goes from gravel to dirt to mud to swamp. We definitely were
on dirt roads. Yeah, it's all all through the whole area. You
know, where you can actually you know, you don't have to hike six
miles to camp out. You can drive out and then camp out, you
know, somewhere near the the dirt road there. But uh, it's it's
kind of remote, it really is. Yeah, it's a it's an interesting
place there. There are places in there that definitely have the creep factor.
There were times this weekend that I was I was creeped out. Uh,
I had that feeling like something was watching me. Yeah, something was in
the area and I both not. Friday night and Saturday night. I heard
talking. I know I heard talking. And the whole time we were there,
guys, we saw eight I think Tory counted ten, maybe ten or
eleven vehicles the whole time we were there, you know, for almost three
days. No, it wasn't busy, no one was there. And I
know I heard talking. I heard talking, and it seemed like I heard
kind of sounded like a car door closing, that thud kind of it wasn't
a wood knock, but it what didn't sound like a car door either.
But I heard talking, that kind of talking that we've all heard. It's
in a distance, you can't make it out. You don't even know if
it's English that they're speaking. That's so far and no more than ten choices.
I mean, there was no one there on weekend, and there's just
something about that place. Man. It definitely, it definitely has the creep
factor. I will. It didn't that there was another incident that had occurred,
and I wish I had a recorder going at that time. But we
heard some screams coming out of the woods and it was immediately followed up by
a little bit and change the direction of some coyotes m h and the same
thing. And then we heard almost like a coyote being strangled. And then
all of a sudden, everything just went dead silent. And when I went
out there with Steve Dismore, I mean Scott went now that that was the
next day after he had had a sighting, and we investigated the spot were
exact spot where he had deciding and I looked, man, I was on
my hands and knees looking for tracks. I couldn't find any tracks, but
there were there was some vegetation that had been flattened, you know, and
it was easy to tell these little long spinley horse weeds, you know,
some of those had been flattened out and they were completely flat on the ground.
But over in that area to where he had saw it, the ground
was pretty solid, so you know, it was pretty tough and we couldn't
couldn't find any tracks but the super super area. And if it was closer,
I would spend more time there. But man, that's long drive.
That's western far western Kentucky. And of a long drive, I'm over here
closer to the middle, you know, I feel the exact same, Chris
Uh. Like I said, I'm in southeast Tennessee. It was an almost
a four hour drive for me to get there, but it was a doable
bucket list location for me. I've always wanted to check it out well always
since joining the Big Book community, I heard so many things about it and
something else that blows me away. Maybe some of the listeners or the viewers
can help us with this. How many cemeteries there are an LBL. I
heard a report of a couple hundred, but I don't know. But and
when I say that, I mean like small family cemeteries like that. Maybe
the people that lived there before the flooding took place. If it's my understanding,
there were homes there and we actually went to a hotel California. Are
you familiar with that, Chris, it's the Ramor House maybe to Todd Will
I mean Troy Will correct me, the gentleman that built the house. But
it's a concrete, two story house and they took it from him. I
guess they bought it from him when they did the flooding. He that was
supposed to be his retirement home. And it's still standing. There are no
exterior walls, but it's all block and concrete. And we went. I
got some really cool pictures. I did a video from there. I'm going
to be releasing it on my YouTube channel. But it's just a little cool
places like that that there were actually homes there that people lost. And if
there were homes, you know, there were other cemeteries that were disturbed,
grave sites that were disturbed, and you hear about the paranormal stuff that goes
on. We found a cool little cemetery as the crow Flies. It wasn't
very far at all from our campsite, and that was our plan Saturday night
to head out there and spend most of the night sitting there. But the
road to get there it was going to be we drove through it, but
there were some times where it's one of those you know what pucker in moments.
You know, you don't know if you want to make it through that
area. But we wanted to spend the night there because we've all heard about
that possible connection or believe connection with bigfoot and cemeteries. I thought it makes
perfect sense. I mean, it's all the believed cemeteries that are in that
place to have all this activity. Yeah, well that is strange because there
was actually in New York story of a bigfoot being spotted in a cemetery.
Yeah, up in the uh I want to say huts, not Hudson Falls
further north, but anyway, Uh, that bigfoot spotted in Washington County at
a cemetery or near a cemetery. Yeah, I believe. I believe that.
I believe it. And there was actually one in Saratoga County in the
eighties. Yeah. Yeah, two of your your viewers just coming at two
hundred and seventy cemeteries and that's the number that I heard that. That's the
kind of number that you hear and you think that's got to be a mistake.
Wow. But I've heard from several different people and driving through there,
you see them man everywhere. Yeah, I couldn't speak to it because I've
not been all over LBL. The only only place I had went was that
one area where Discmar had that sighting that that we was checking out. You
know, welcome. The Walkee says, they're all also are still graves in
the lake as well. Yeah. Kind of creepy to think about, isn't
it. Anyway, I did do a little research on our on our Army
manual thing. I cannot find a copy of that anywhere right now, so
I'm gonna put that in the question mark thing. This was not anything new,
This was talked about fifteen twenty years ago. I do recall seeing the
manual at one point the Army Corps of Engineers, the Army Corps of Engineers
released there. Now, I did find the Army Corps Engineers one, but
I didn't actually find the manual. And I'm not sure if it was an
Army manual, could have been a marine manual for the Marines. I'm not
quite sure where it was. I always thought it was Marines, but so
I don't know. The person to talk to would be about Todd nice so,
but I can't find and it may just be lost some or in the
internet somewhere somewhere, but it's just lost in the internet. I don't know.
I did. I did some investigation a long time ago about the Beast
of LBL story that was on online, and this was probably when it first
was put online, because it's been a while. And actually I was really
since this was a Kentucky I got, I took a very keen interest in
it. I did make some phone calls and to the local law enforcement agencies
of the area over there. And don't ask me who. I don't have
no idea who I talked to you at that time. But there weren't any
murder reports or anything of anything anybody being killed by an animal. I think
they did have some shootings and I maybe a couple of stabbings or something,
but they couldn't recall anything. But you know, they could have and shining
me on too, you know, when the guy took the pot shot at
the big Foot over at Mammoth Cave National Park. You know, I contacted
those people and they trying of just kind of blew me off, you know
that we don't want to talk about it. I was going to ask you
about Mammoth Cave, Chris. Yeah, that, uh, a guy had
supposedly took the guy that took a shot at one. Yeah. He.
I did some investigating around here, and you know, I talked to some
people that may or may not work there, and one of the guys told
me he said that there were no charges against him. He said, it's
it's illegal to discharge your weapon in the National Park unless you fear your your
life was in danger. And since they did not charge him for discharging his
weapon, that tells me there may have been so to that story. Now,
somebody else got the police report and they blocked his name, so I
can't tell you who it was. But uh, you know, there was
some information on YouTube and somebody did some investigation, and that's great, that's
fine. But they they said that he was probably a tweaker or a meth
head. Well there it could have been. But here's some problems with that
theory. One, he had a firearm and two, you know, he
wasn't arrested for this, so they just did a police report. So if
there wasn't something credible, you know, they would at least give it him
a ticket for firing his weapon. In the National Court, but I don't
think any of that happened. What about Mammoth Cage in general, Chrise,
have you gotten any information from out of there as far as Big Whip,
Yeah, I think they're in the area, you know, right along the
Green River door stay tuned for more paranormal odyssey. Of course, in the
Green River runs right through Mammoth Cave, you know, right through the northern
section of Mammoth Cave National Park and that corridor there is a travel corridor,
I believe for these creatures. So from time to time some are going to
be spotted in the park as well as outside of the park. But yeah,
we've had a few signings recorded around here, and you know, mostly
have been credible. Uh. Mike's Tetan asked about the Beast of the thirty
five millimeter footage Beast of Bray Road. I know, I know the video
Mike is talking about, but that was not on Bray Road, or if
it supposedly was on the road that is in Wisconsin. I think, right,
I forget the name of the guy. I'm honest saying, I don't
know why Garvey has come up as the name in my head, but yeah,
there was a video of a dog I was supposedly taken out of the
side window of a truck or something back in the sixties or whatever, and
it transformed into like this. Yeah, that was all figured out to be
a hoax, But I don't think it was bray Road necessarily. Okay,
what do you guys think about caves? You think they use caves? No,
I don't, because I think if they use caves, you Chris guys,
but I think if they I only think they use cave with multiple exits,
because if they were in caves with exits, guess what we would have
cornered one by. Now I agree, I can I can see that.
But also this brought up the question this weekend, with all the nasty weather
that we had on not like that, in days like that where it's just
constantly dumping on you, pouring rain, what do they do? Where do
they get? Oh? Are they just set out somewhere and get Well,
that's what that's what gorillas do, That's what chimpanzees do. There you go,
that's where all the other primates do that with the exception of us.
Yeah, you just answered that for me, Steve, I never considered that,
just like all the other primates primary to live on the ground, you
know, I mean now, yeah, but if they're in an area that's
as caves or protection, it's common sense that they're going to use that,
but they don't. In Africa, they don't. The only the only primate
they found in caves were some families of baboons. That's about it. Other
than that, the gorillas even though they had caves available to them, Chimpanzees
even though they had caves available, the orangutans even though they had caves,
especially in that Smatra area they have caves avaiabum, they don't utilize them.
And there may and and the reason being is is they may have trepidation,
Like we approach a cave is could there be a bearon there? Could there
be a wildcat? There could be some other predator in there, So they
avoid those areas. But in this case at Mammoth Cave, now there's there's
some people that their job is to go in the cave and explore unexplored sections
and map new areas of the cave. And U matter of fact, Josh
Gates is kind of show I can't remember what it's called. I don't know
if it's Expedition X or whatever. But one of the guys that explores those
caves and maps them for a living does this for the government. Okay.
Uh. He had had an experience in there and five there are five other
people in there with him. They were back in an uncharted area of the
cave, exploring and mapping new areas of Mammoth Cave. Now what they do.
They go in for a day, they go to sleep, they wake
up the next day, and they just continue going, you know, until
they've explored that all they're going to explore them, they turn around and leave.
But at one point during their exploration, he said that he felt a
distinct presence there was someone else there with them, and they were looking around
and he asked his buddy, he said, did you feel like somebody else
is in there with her? He said, yeah, I do, He
said, I felt that there's a presence here. Well, when they did
their investigation later on, they went back and they got some recordings of definite
primate like sounds from deep in the cave, and they also recorded a shadowy
image that walked by. I can't remember the name of the episode, but
it's one I think it's expedition exits on one of those shows that's called Mammoth
Cave Mystery or nothing like that. Very very compelling, very compelling. And
people that do that stuff stuff you just mentioned Chris, they do that for
living anything. Even people that go caving as a hobby. That's a special
kind of crazy. In my opinion, I want nothing to do with the
damn cave. There are too many dang stories. Well, I was,
first of all, Yeah, when I was fifteen years old, I loved
it. And we were lucky up on the home farm. We had a
cave and you could go in and explore it a little bit, you know,
if you you know, have your flashlight and everything. And I've been
in that thing a million times. And matter of fact, the only reason
I quit going and exploring it was because it had a sinkhole. It caved
in. So normally you would walk you're walking through this passage and as it
was about the turn and you could walk into another place where a big room
opened up. Now you were looking at a dirt wall, like a wall
of dirt right in front of you because it all fell in from the ground,
you know, And imagine if you were on the other side of that
boy. Yeah, I thought about that too. What Floyd Collins was the
guy's name in Kentucky. Actolutely, Yeah, they got trapped. That man
did that stuff his whole life. The thing ended up getting stuck and dying
down there. So if it could happen to him, it happened to anybody.
Yeah, that's right. He was one of those guys. He wouldn't
care to crawl in a groundhog hole though. That's the problem. See,
I was never like that. Okay, if I had to get down,
if I had to stoop down a little bit, you know, I'm feeling
kind of cramped, you know. Liked it where you could like stand up
and walk around in there. But as far as crawling into a groundhog hold,
well, a hole about this big round, just big enough to get
one arm through and then pull the other shoulder. No way, no way,
not even at fifteen, I wouldn't have done it. Yea. They
want nothing to do. I believe they use them. I believe that Bigfoot
uses caves as shelter. That map that has floated around, I'm sure both
of you have seen it, that's supposed to outline the cave systems and Bigfoot
sidings or missing people or something like that. They like overlapped it, and
it's supposed to be close, you know what I'm talking about. I don't
know. Okay, Well it's out there. There's a map of the cave
systems in the US, and then someone took a map of Bigfoot or I
think missing people, missing people and overlaid it. And it's supposed to be
it's supposed to be like crazy similar, you know. And now we're getting
into all missing before with one stuff yep. And I know a lot of
that has been played up on the how should I say, not the glamorous
side, but the mysterious side is played up on him. Well, a
man missing and you know we don't know why. Well, people are missing
all the time. You know. One of the most high frequency was the
gentleman who played the World of Julian Sandsho went missing for three or four months
and they found his body at the bottom of a ravine or in a valley
somewhere. Obvious hypothermia death. And the reason why they found him is because
the family was so doggedly trying to find him and had some resources. You
know, you look at some of these other cases where you know, the
guy's shoes, and then the guy one of the side effects of hypothermia as
you actually think you're warm, so you start taking clothes off. So when
these events get played up by missing four to one one, I'm like,
this does not prove anything except the person had a very unfortunate trip. Uh.
There's a lot you know, and you can correlate a lot of stuff,
but you can cherry pick a lot of stuff too. And we saw
that in the Bigfoot News this past weekend with the bear study. How you
can cherry cherry pick certain certain results yea, and overlook other problems to that's
right, right, We got to fix study that says we know exactly why
you know, it explains Bigfoot signings. But let's not talk about Florida or
Ohio or New York. Let's not New York or seems to happen so much.
Guys, He's like a cherry pick what you want out of a story
to make it fit your narrative, And I want one thing that comes to
mind we're talking about that is the Dennis Martin case. Uh, the little
boy that went missing the Smoky Mountains, six year six year old boy?
Was that the kid with the red jacket apparently or something that I think.
So he was a Father's Day weekend. Well, people, that was on
Missing for one one and the Bigfoot community tries to make it Bigfoot related,
and that's an example of cherry picking. Well, there was the report that
the family saw an unkept man running with something red over his shoulder, running
up the hill, and everybody wants to say that's Bigfoot, but they leave
out the part that the man was seen getting into a car and driving away.
Do that, well, maybe maybe Igor Birch exactly with that, Greg
the eddy is that his name Igor gets personal phone calls from Bigfoot. Oh
lord, I don't have that kind of lesson. You did that? He
did that like a live live or something. There he was on camera talking
to Bigfoot on the phone, and then eighteen months later he's showing us pictures
of big put getting in a car and driving away. Yeah, yeah,
exactly. That's that's the exact point of cherry picking. And that was featured
on four one one Mike. You'll see the guy from cart get here.
Every once in a while. They are actually doing a special on the Lily
Lake disappearance of a gentleman, an older gentleman. And when they talk to
the family in law enforcement, they you know, they have a lot to
say about gay politis and how you know he wasn't really he didn't really care
about the investigation. He just wanted to know what was unusual about it and
that's what he ran with. And the family would be like, well but
and he would have nothing to do with it. So, you know,
cherry picking is probably it just shows you know, it's just bias. All
it is is bias. You're going to ignore a fact. And it's kind
of funny because I had to look at something this week for our midweek video
we're cutting out on Wednesday, part of my own evidence that says, hey,
wait a minute, time out, this could be that. So we
take a look at that more in depth and see if it fits. And
that's what you have to do. You have to be honest with people.
And I think there's a lot of honesty missing that. Well just now,
maybe you know, in a TV show will say, well, we only
have forty two minutes in an hour long because the other eighteen minutes is commercials,
and then you put in the introduction and the out stuff, you lose
another minute or so and that's why. So we only really have about forty
minutes to get this information out there, so we just cut to the important
stuff. No, you're omitting. You're omitting the stuff that shows you're doing
a proper investigation. Sorry, I had to holler, Ron Bulls, he's
in the chat. Rod is hiding out there. That passes even Dave Peladis
is not playing Bigfoot for taking people if you listen to him. Well I
have listened to him, uh live watch to watch some of his lectures online,
and uh yeah that he may not be saying that, but he's certainly
implying that when you when you start saying, hey, we don't know why
these people were taken. We don't know what happened to this person. Why,
yeah, we do, look at look at the official cause of death
and the death certificates. If Dave is not suggesting big Butt is doing this
this stuff, why is he speaking at all these Bigfoot conferences and doing all
this stuff. That's a good question. And another thing is Dave Pallatius is
also one of the persons propagating the Bluff Creek Masker massacre conspiracy based on Harbor
Gale. I'm so glad you brought that up, Steve. As I mentioned
to you guys earlier, I co host the show with Brian King, that
big Foot podcast. He just released this past Friday, he released the first
part of this special that we're doing about the Bluff Creek massacre. We have
recorded part two. It will be out this coming Friday, and guys,
y'all need to turn into that to hear what we think about David Palati's and
and this this fiasco that's going on, this just bullshit parade that they're putting
on with this Bluff Creek massacre thing. So I'm about you guys to check
that out. That the first part's out right now and then the second part
will be out Friday. But I don't know, man, We need to
get some awareness about this and just call these people what they are and we
If you look at the early videos on the show we first started, it
was one of the first topics we covered was the massacre theory and how can
you okay, let's just say you do see some red and number one,
I explain to people that that blood doesn't dry red. Yeah, right,
that's number one. Now number two is how can you come up with this
whole conspiracy theory based upon something you find in the film. It's just make
believe. It's just thought up, spun up out of somebody's imagination, and
it's not even the same film. Rights were data Hinden a film that he
took, right, That's what they were. They got the information from,
uh no, the Patterson Gimmelin film. They're showing, uh some red discoloration
in the in the grounds where Patty was walking. Now here's the Here's another
great, great theory is that if supposedly all these bodies were shot up there,
why would Patty be walking around an area where a bunch of sasquats had
already been killed. Yeah, I mean, I think the whole thing was
they were claiming that they found m K. Davis was claiming that he found
a portion of the Patty film. Okay, hold on, I got to
stop right here. Tracy Bennisa as Bobby Short started all that both. No,
she did not. I can tell you the exact time date, we
not off the top of my head, but it was I believe two thousand
and seven at the Ohio Bigfoot conference when MK Davis broke out the slides about
the Bigfoot massacre. He was the one that started it. David Polites lobbied
Bobby Short, talked to her and convinced her that this was the real thing.
And at the time, let's not men's words, Bobby was not a
young person. The only picture of her that ever existed on the internet was
her probably circing nineteen seventy four seventy five, which shose a very young young
woman. But the problem with that is that Bobby Short at the time was
probably in her late seventies, maybe even eighties. And sometimes you know when
you're staying and she was going towards the end stage of her life. So
you can kind of see where I'm going with that conversation. You know,
it's the same age where people say, oh, just sign right here as
that age and so, and that says that Waen is right. He did
mix in a different film. He did. He mixed in the Blue Ridge
Mountain film as well, and tried to claim that the dog involved was part
of it. Was a haunting dog, which does not work hunting. But
anyway, but yeah, it was like every everybody that could gain ground on
it did. Somebody mentioned Kat Hansen, another one that jumped on that bandwagon
too with Steve Isdahl from you Know How Not to Hunt? And these people,
I mean these people. You mean to tell me that the people that
were involved in this massacre spent the rest of their lives or all these years
later talking about we need a body or we need a piece of a body,
when they very damn well knew where they could go and get the bodies
because they buried them. What seeds does that make exactly? The mystery would
have been solved. And here's the thing. This theory was concocted by somebody
who had no grasp of the law. They're trying to say, well,
they covered the bodies up. They didn't want to get in trouble. There's
no law exactly exactly even if I shoot a big foot, and I thought
they would, but it was a bigfoot is shot and killed today by somebody
and it turns out to be a variation of us a homo sapien. Say,
they still could not be charged with murder because that particular creature is not
in the books and the killing of that creature is not a law, and
they can't make a law tomorrow and go back to last week and say,
hey, we're going to charge it for that. We just made this law
today that doesn't work that way exactly, So why would they even cover it
up? And they skin these things and the third or Russia? What kind
of BS is that? Right? And they accidentally got lost inconveniently as well.
Like I said, this whole thing is just spun up in the mind.
Yeah. Now, I don't want to I don't want to seem like
we're beating up on MK Davis. I mean, he has done a lot
of work about you know, Claire find the Patterson Gimlan footage and aligning it,
and he's done some superwork on that stuff. But he just sees a
lot of stuff that I personally don't see and a lot of other people.
Unfortunately, the problem with that is is that when you see somebody that's starting
to do really good work. And the funny thing was is in two thousand
and six and some of two thousand and seven, MK was saying, Oho,
I'm doing this for Roger Patterson's legacy, and then he turns around and
stabs him in the back with this Kaka ma Amy theory. Let me say
this, it doesn't matter what his previous work was. Now he's ruined all
that because somebody will say, oh, yeah, he did really good work
with that, made some great observations. But he's also come out with this
kakammy idea which has no backup to it, so it completely discredits his previous
work. I'm sorry, that's just the way it is. Nice guy or
not, that's the way it is. And I do not hate MK.
I do not dislike him. I would have a couple of car with him
today. I don't believe he's hoaxing us. I just believe he's really wrong.
He's really biased, and he gets hooked on some idea and away he
went with no evidence other than pointing at something in the film and some kaka
mamie, well you see this, oh you see that, and just making
some wild ass conclusions to support his theory that what he sees in the film
is blood, which is not because he also used a red filter on the
film. Yeah, stay for you. I'm sorry to interrupt you, Chris,
you saying that rut there he used a red filter? Or if you
can't change the contrast to help your narrative, is that not hoaxing? If
you change the color of the film to represent what you are trying to sell
people the whole change, right, the hoaxing would be intent, do we
Now one has to ask himself. Did he adjust it to try to make
the film pop a little bit more and then go, oh my gosh,
look at that. That's got to be blood blah blah blah blah blah.
Or did he say I'm going to make this story up and I'm gonna I
think that in actuality, I don't think he was intentionally doing that. I
think that's how his mind works. He see he went to sharpen it up
and then boom. There's no direct evidence that he just made this up as
intentionally as a hoax. I don't find that in his character, I think.
But I think his mind escaped him with this one. Yeah. He
just sees stuff that I don't see as being there, you know, right,
and everybody is correct. I've said it a thousand times. Blood tries
brown. It would look like it would actually it would actually look like an
oil field, you know, and that kind of footage. It would be
very dark. Yeah, and you know if Patty was shot when she was
walking them, and we would see someone ask how do we know bigfoot?
Blood is read to begin with Well, every every mammal's blood is red because
it requires hemoglobinobin right right, And it's you know, and iron and the
iron in the blood which kind of gives it the nice red tennis it does.
That's why it browns when it's exposed to air, just like a rough
spot on a piece of metal. Well, yeah, it's it's it's their
hemoglobin and the fact that the atmosphere on planet Earth is we use oxygen,
you know, well we use nitrogen, and that oxygen it's that iron in
the blood and turns it the brown. So here's the thing. When I
ever consider he does not and refuses to debate the Patterson this massacre theory with
anybody point blank. He's only going to come on shows that are friendly to
his ideas or let him talk without necessarily arguing the fact. We've tried him.
Tonight, Bron's interviewing him tonight along with the uh that Daniel kid from
the UK. He's supposed to be interviewing MK and he asked Brian to help
him. And this is something that Brian and I talked about when we recorded
our latest episode of that Bigfoot podcast this past Thursday. He's gonna ask him
those questions. Ah, now we're just to ask another question, is what
is your opinion new it's MG Davis gatewoodhigh def amatory patty that was created by
AI. And uh, you know, photoshop is photoshop. We can photoshop
any bigfoot out there to make it look really nifty and nice. That was
done with AI. So there's a graphic element to it. It's no different
than photoshop. It's not relevant, it's not evidence. It doesn't prove a
damn thing except how maybe AI thinks that they should look really Yeah, so
he's passing that office him cleaning it up. Correct. In fact, it's
from what I understand. From what I understand it was AI was that would
qualify as the definition of hoking hooaxing if it turns out that he was trying
to pass off an AI image yet, But I don't have to look into
it. I have to look into it. I don't. I I this
is not new either. It has been out for over a year. But
I think that it was. It was admitted that it was AI. So
again it's here's this researcher run amuck and said, hey, we'll use AI
to see what it looks like. Patty looks like and came up with that
image. Oh look there it is. This is evidence. No it's not,
and that is what they call an interpretation. Yeah, ah, there's
something. It's photographic evidence enough to prove bigo exists. No, no,
and you know proven if it were. Because a lot of the stuff about
the Patterson Givenlan film that I really like, you know, now, I
don't know that's that's showing a bigfoot, they're not. Some people say,
obviously it is. Some people say, oh no, it's a man in
the suit. Now I'm going to say the truth, and the truth is
I don't know. But there are some things about it that I liked.
There's also some things about it that I didn't like. And truth be told,
you know, there are a lot of people that'll put a lot of
these waggy ideas out there just to get their name in the books in hopes
that maybe some you know, Hollywood show will pick them up and say,
hey, look at this guy with what he does. And then yet,
you know, ten twenties and hundreds of thousands subscribers on YouTube, that's their
goal. I think, I really think the end goal of certain people,
and you got to be wary of them. We do the work the hard
way around here. Oh, this is a good one from Troy. How
do you approve they exist? Then? Well, what you do is bring
in a piece of physical evidence that deals DNA with the evidence to back up
what you collected it from, how you collected it, and where you collected
it from. I think it's going to take a body. Guys. It
may, it just might. It just might. But let's say this.
Say you have a trail cam in a particular area and you have a sasquatch.
Go over there and grab something and eat something and leave some of it
behind. Okay, now you've got the video of that. You go over
there and forensically correct that, and the video will show that took the chain
of it's properly collected, forensically properly collected. It is sealed in a bag,
the bag is signed, a chain of evidence is proper. You ship
that off to a DNA lab, You ship your video, and that gets
handled like evidence, and then you take the both of them with chain of
custody and present them the science it's gonna and with the DNA result being,
hey, this is something we don't know what it is. Yeah, Well,
here's the video of us, well, of the creature that made that
DNA sample, because you clearly see it there on film eating whatever it's eating
and dropping it and walking away. Here's the video of us collecting it.
Here's the chain of custody, here's the here's the DNA report of what actually
took a bite into that. Because we had a saliva sample off of it.
It's gonna be pretty hard for science to say this does not exist.
But you're still gonna have those researchers out there that scream got in a suit.
This is a hoax, but that's why you have the DNA to back
that up. Yeah, you can't fake DNA, well, you can well
hold on, you can go well, but but if it's done by a
reputable group correctly, and it comes up as something that makes sense that hey,
this is a primate, it's it's genus is primate or as family as
primate. And this is where it branches off to. And this is a
DNA similar to ours and similar to this and similar to that, but this
is where it differs. Here it is done by whoever. I think that'll
work. It's a combination of the technologies. You're gonna in order to prove
this, it's either going to take a body or a coon, a piece
of a body, or a combination of technology with a DNA sample. I
will say this that if a DNA sample is collected blindly and it turns out
to be a Sasquatch or what we believe to be as a Sasquatch, it's
definitely going to interest science. Then the problem is that hasn't been done yet.
We're shooting ourselves in the foot by saying, well, you know,
there's nothing we're gonna do that's going to make, you know, prove that
this is real. Stay tuned for more paranormal odyssey to science. That's not
true. That's giving up, that's saying we can't do it. You know.
If that's the case, that's a good night, folks. We're done.
You know, there's no sense in continuing at that point in time.
Oh, I think we're going to bring one in. There's another question,
do they have paranormal abilities? Which say, you mean so we're talking about
WU right, I would think so. I don't. I don't know if
they I agree with you. When I started this years ago, you could
not convince me that these things were nothing more than biological creatures. It's felt
like they're another one of God's creations that he put here and we just don't
know much about it. We hadn't caught up to it yet. We don't
have a I mean, that's not it's very arrogant for us to think that
we know everything that's out there, you know. So I was convinced that
this was just a creature. But the more people you've talked to, coming
up on probably around a thousand people now in the years that I've been doing
it or more, you can't. We're doing a huge disservice to ourselves in
the community by not hearing everyone out and not listening to what they have experienced.
Not everyone's lying. There's too many of these cases out there talking about
orbs, seeing these light orbs in the woods right before you have a big
foot encounter. You got to listen to that stuff. Maybe it's coincidence,
maybe it's not. No mine speak is something that believe it or not,
I'm open to I don't know if we can do it with Bigfoot, but
I believe that there are like twins. There's been reports of twins knowing what
each other. We're thinking at certain times I think it's possible it can be
done. So you know, I always look at the whole mind speak aspect
from that of the use of infrasound or infersonic communication. The largest of all
your mammals of each species can use infrasound. The blue whale can use in
forsound, the elephants can use inversund. You know, the biggest cats can
use em forsound. It would make sense that the biggest primate would be able
to use inversound and sasquats being a primate. Now we know infsound can put
minds thoughts in your mind and you hear things, make you see things.
The problem is is that some of these things, like these orbs, have
been filmed, but they haven't been filmed with a bigfoot. Yeah, right,
so that that kind of and there aren't There is natural phenomenon in the
woods which can cause these orbs, right, and then there is you know,
such as certain gas emissions, and Chris and I have gone into that
multiple times in the show. We've even seen that ourselves, but no bigfoot.
So you know, I kind of look at it from the aspect of
I think what we're looking at is a little bit of our own arrogance when
we try to go to the supernatural explanation because we can't explain why we haven't
got one yet, it's got to why can't we get one on trail cameras
well? In fact of the matter is a trail camera is a needle in
a haystack, no matter where you put it. Even if you have five
of them, that's five needles in the haystack. Right, Your odds are
a little bit better, but it's still five needles in a haystack. Yeah.
Right. I think it's our own arrogance that we don't realize that.
You know, a gear can run across the road and jump into the woods.
You look and it's gone. You don't see it. Yep, it's
not paranormal. The gear didn't disappear. We've seen UFOs and u aps spotlighting
cows during the cattle mutilation era. We never assume that the cow's reliance.
Right, we've been abducted allegedly by alien craft. We've never said that we're
the aliens, right, Yeah, So you know, Iron Dogger makes it
great. There's orbs in the frozen Arctic for crying out loud right, there's
no foot out there, right, so I think we have I mean,
and think about a sasquatch. Them being smart, they can move, they
can hide behind a tree or partially obstruct themselves behind a tree. Something primates
do. Gorillas do it, chimpanzees do it, rangutans do it. We
do it. Why not a big foot? Right? So again, they're
using their natural color, their brownish red, which kind of blends in beautifully
with its surroundings, and they use that to their advantage. So to me,
there's nothing supernatural about a big foot. People say, well, you
know they run really fast. Well, you know what, I dare anybody
to try to run with their hands, try to run down and grab a
deer and bring it down, because it ain't gonna have It's not going to
happen. And people say, well, we use guns and kill deer,
But you're not talking about a deer's mind. You're talking about a primate mind,
something that thinks, has situational awareness, has foresight in thought. So
that's why I don't think they are necessarily supernatural. I think they're just super
intelligent. They're probably the closest thing and the evolutionary chain to us. I
think they have more DNA than the chimpanzee has. Chimpanzee, I think it's
like ninety eight point four percent of their DNA is identical to ours, which
tells you at one point six percent of that DNA can change a hell of
a lot. Yes, right, this is a lot. Yeah, we're
almost exactly same as let's say, sasquatches ninety nine percent of our DNA.
Well, that's going to make it maybe a little bit smarter than that chimpanzee,
but not quite as smart as us. Where you know, Chimpanzees don't
use fire. Sasquatch don't use fire. Chimpanzees use simple tools. Sasquatch has
been reported to use simple tools. Chimpanzees do not wear clothing, neither to
do sasquatch right where you know. So, the the other problem is is
that us, as Homo sapiens, we have something called anthropost centrism, and
that's we tend to give our abilities to other creatures. Oh, look,
the dog is playing hide and seek with us. No, it's not hide
and seek as something humans do. It's responding to the stimuli you're giving it,
and it's responding. Uh, it's getting stimuli by what your actions are
doing. Yeah right, it's not really playing hide and seek, so you
know, that's something we have to be aware of. And I think some
of this supernatural stuff or this well it's it's a person, it's just one.
It's just us in a different it's just you know, they've rejected society.
Okay, yeah right, that's just anthropercentrism. So I think there's a
lot of that in it, in our own arrogance that or maybe it's our
minds breaking down just saying I can't you know. And this happens with super
intelligent people too. I am my intelligent thing can't realize why we can't get
this thing, and it crumbles them because of the go So they turned to
this alternative explanation as an explain all, well it's supernatural, Well it's easy,
and then it's easy to fall in that pitfall because then you don't need
science in the physics yea, and psychology to back any of that up.
You can't explain Sorry, that ends my ran Sorry yeah, no, no,
I mean you can't explain one mystery with another mystery. You know,
you just can't do that. Yeah, but that's my process. Now,
are there a lot of scientific things that can explain some of the mind speak
or the blinking out or well it was there and then it was just gone
in front of my eyes. Well have you ever seen a big Have you
ever seen a big put before? Well? No, I haven't. Well
let me explain you something. When you see something your mind does is not
in your mind's catalog. It takes a second to go, what is it
I'm looking at? And then what happens is when your mind focus is back
in, it's gone. Oh it just disappeared. Your mind had a little
bump. The other thing you have, too, is what they call traumatic
regression. When you have a traumatic experience, none blanks out right, Your
mind blanks out. That's why people can't remember car accidents. White people can't
remember that moment of impact even though they don't have a brain injury. They
might have had a concussion, but the concussion isn't responsible for losing their memory.
It's the mind protecting itself from that impact. It's why kids who get
abused forget that as small children, and they remember that as adults eventually.
It's also an explained PTSD in people or bigfoot on the brain. They have
a legitimate encounter. And then everything every blob squatch, every picture they take
they see Bigfoot in or every shadow in the woods is big board. Everything
they hear in the woods Bigfoot mimicking another known animal. That's just signs of
ps PTSD. And the chances are if you go to the very first time
they've had a sighting or an encounter, it's probably legitimate. So bets are
some food for that on my my? Uh So, what do y'all think
about all the blob squatches and paradolia red circle pictures that are bombarding the internet.
Well, like I said, it goes back to people that have big
Foot on the brain PTSD, or it's the paradolia effect. You know,
people see the Jesus in the grilled cheese sandwich or the star of David and
the grill, I don't know whatever in the grilled cheese sandwich, and Nick,
I don't know how to explain your ex's mom that woman ain't natural.
I'm sorry, but I can tell you something. There was a guy that
ran into that situation. Well, you look like Bigfoot if you show.
But I really think that part of it is internet based where you get into
this uh group hysteria basically, and you will find people that will, you
know, go along with anything. It's almost like a mob mentality. In
certain I'm all for keeping an open mind, but the encounters that I've had,
I've not experienced anything very normal or supernatural. Now, I did experience
something that I witnessed that was superhuman, and that that's that's natural because these
creatures are not human. They're physically well. When they reach a certain age,
they're physically bigger and stronger than we are, and they can do things
that we can't do, even even a bear of superhuman. You know,
you're get with a grizzly egg and you know. And then let me explain.
The fourth actual thing is perhaps they're not seeing a bigfoot. Perhaps it's
something paranormal in nature manifesting has a bigfoot or manifesting in their mind, is
a big foot or manifesting not necessarily a bigfoot. That could explain the dog
man is that these people aren't having crypto experiences, they're having paranormal experiences.
The same thing with people saying what they think is a big foot that disappears,
but you look at me. A lot of those people too will say,
well, look more like a man, and it mind spoke to me.
Well, perhaps it wasn't a big foot, perhaps it was something paranormal.
It wasn't because let's face it, our land is very old and it
was inhabited by aboriginals that the white man came and pushed out. This is
going to cause a lot of bad blood and a lot of bad energy and
bad juju. So it is possible that some of this could be paranormal,
if you want to go on that side of the argument. That reminds me.
Years ago, we had a guest on It was a midnight walker from
Georgia, and you know, he was a thorough believer and he may still
be that that the bigfoot can mind speak, you know, because he had
I think he shared with us on the show. He had told the thought
to the big yetta sighting and he thought to the bigfoot to turn left or
something, or or stop wait let me let me see you, you know,
and the creature stopped at the same time he thought that. But you
know, we pointed out, well, man, you know, it could
have been a coincidence, you know, because I've been you know, coming
up to I've pulled this on my wife and son. Before we'd be driving
up to a red light, the lights red and I would say turn green,
now you know, And then the light would turn green. I said,
see, I did that right. So Keith Allen out in our chat
and brings up a great point. So the WU crowd are likely to fall
for scams and spend money. They are bigger suckers. So that's why grifters
love to make up WU stories. Let me predicate something there. It's not
just the WU folks that are making up WO story. It's not the folks
that are just making up WU stories. Remember, I've been in this field
a lot longer than many have now, and before the Internet there was very
little WU, very little WU spun up because of the Internet. But there
are grifters, there are jokers, and there are the psycholog psychologically needy people
that have made up stories since this mystery began. And it's not just in
this particular field. It's in neupology, it's in the paranormal world, it's
in the loch Ness world and the other cryptid areas as well. We've talked
about how about the Surgeon film or the Surgeon photo, Lockness, the Gable
film, dog Man, and there's and there's countless others. So you look
at all this information and that's just human nature. And if somebody comes out
with a great story that I had this big, bigfoot sighting and it sounds
legitimate. And I'll give you a great example, the Mississippi skuncate video that
guy put up on a Facebook going viral and blah blah blah, and it
turns out that it's made for a TV show. Turns out that the person
who put out there, Josh Highcliffe, never even existed. He was a
character made up for a TV show, portrayed by an actor whose face was
blurred out on the shoot. The actor himself said that the whole thing was
made up. So when you look at that, yep. So when you've
never heard that, yep, when you got to spend some time on my
channel. But the video on that as well, it's one of my debunkings.
So there are people now their whole goal in the Mississippi's Counca video wasn't
necessarily a individual's way to get money. It was the way the show wanted
to perpetuate itself and get some excitement about it. So in a way it
was for profit, but it was very indirect, So we got to be
aware of the different types of scams that are out there. In the different
types, like people ask me, you know the whole Tom Bascardy thing,
is Tom Bascardy a hoaxer? Well, he's a hoax enabler because he doesn't
create the hoaxes, but he finds the hoaxers that do, and then he
takes their story and if he can make a buck with it, he'll run
with it. And all over I was grouped. He gets duped a lot,
don't he Sure it does. And it's just like this latest cat that
we who, no surprise, is a good friend of the Scarti or one
of the Scarti followers who tried sending this picture that we've found on the internet.
And then he tried to explain it away by saying his co hosts of
his radio show, who died a year ago, sent it to him,
and the evidence he tried to show me was very doctored up. So there
are different scams that go on all the time. But great comment and a
good one to you know, obviously keep on going with. So that's my
take on it. Dude, very almost killed two hours he're talking it's went
by fast. I think we could have done a three hour show today.
Wayne's been a great guest. And what kind of conversation I mean, dude,
sparks conversation unlike unbelievably not only answered questions, you're asking us questions too.
It's you I'm supposed to do that. Wow, it's good, you
know what. You know what, I always love this show because it's like
having a conversation. It's not an interview. This is a conversation exactly.
It's like a bunch of buddies sitting around with our chat room friends. Here.
We're having a couple of drinks or you know, I'm trying to stay
you know, I don't want to get silly, so I'm drinking mountain dew.
But you know, but it's like sitting around a bar, sitting there
having a conversation, a serious conversation about the topic. And I love it.
Yeah. Yeah, that's what I try to do, is keep it
conversation based. Yeah, and I find out that I find that's the best
way. Oh man, yeah, we geez, Steve, You're coming on
my show buddy pretty soon? I sure, am. That's early next month.
I think what's before I have to look at my calendar. I'm not
sure. Yes, it's a Wednesday evening and I could make it because I
get off early on Wednesday evenings. So, Chris, I'd like to extend
the same invitation to you. I'd like to get I appreciate it. But
Steve is the he's the media guy, he's the guy to talk to.
Okay, are you kidding it? Before he was the co host of the
show, I had to pull tee to get him on the show as a
guest. Yeah, I really don't do the And then and then one day
I was having I didn't have a co host at the time. I had
a run in with somebody on the show that was lying about something, and
uh, all of a sudden, Chris called in and started just giving it
to him. I wouldn't say all that gave it very questions, very intelligent
and intellectual manner. Thank you very good. So but you know, I
got to say, it was a pleasure having you on. I had a
lot of fun. I'm looking forward to getting on your show and getting put
in the hot seat because it's the hot seat I love. Sometimes I don't
mind those tough interviews, so it'll be like this want to be more of
a conversation. It's not going to be very hot, buddy, So anyway,
Chris do your thing. Brother again. I want to thank Wayne for
being with us here tonight. It's been great man, Thank you so much.
It's been an honor having you. I want to thank everybody in chat,
all our listeners, and we appreciate you guys. You know, you're
the greatest audience we could ever hope to have. Thank you so much for
being a part of the channel. And Steve, oh if it's his first
time watching on YouTube, if you're not subscribed yet, bump that button.
The like button helps the algorithm. Okay, and and thank you folks.
Let's not start at this late in the game. Ron saying happy birthday because
yesterday was my birthday and uh, happy birthday. I thank you. You
know, another another year closer to the walker on the ground. You I'm
just there's no depends involved. But anyway, I want to bank Wayne for
coming on. You were a great guest, had a lot of fun.
We'll get you on again real soon. We gotta we gotta continue this conversation
and the next trip out, you know, please, you know, let
us know and uh, well, we'll keep an eye on it and then
maybe have you on and talk about it. So sounds good, buddy,
all right, my brother? All right, folks on me, have everybody
here. We want to wish everybody a happy and safe week. If you're
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are all Bigfoot related. So but anyway, on behalf of myself, Chris
and Wayne. I want to wish everybody happy, safe, healthy week.
You know, you know obviously say healthy and God bless and of course keep
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