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It's day two of Giant Bomb at
Night Live in Los Angeles. I'm Jeff

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Grubb from giant bomb dot com.
They have once again shackled me to this

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chair for six more hours to talk
to people about video games and who knows

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what else, including I praying over
here. Simon Desan from A forty four.

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How's it going, man? Hey, thanks for having me. Man,

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that's all right, Yeah, I
appreciate you coming bye. Itch is

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absolutely Seth Rosen. How's it going
good? Good, good to be back.

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Thanks for having me. Yeah,
absolutely, And Sam Winkler, it's

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an honor, my lucky charm.
So let's let's go. Well, you

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know what, we'll get to that
one. Let's start, I said,

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we start here. What's your favorite
food? Oh? Man, are we

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actually doing this? Okay? Of
course, kind of good past like a

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Kiwi meat pie. Okay, explain
what that means. Oh, it's just

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like like mince gravy and like a
nice pastry package. You know. Hey,

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that sounds delicious. Instant light food
vessel delivery, yeah, fighteen mils,

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Yeah that sounds okay. Yeah,
so it's very savory and you just

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go like just dig right in.
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

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yeah, exactly, like you have
to go to New Zealand and try

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them sometime. Sounds very good.
Up, but before Simon looked, He's

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like, what we gonna talk about
like your favorite food? That's where we're

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going to go right away. And
I kept my promise, as I always

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do. Yeah, I know,
Summer Game Fest is here. Are you

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showing the game? Are you showing
the game here at the show? No?

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So we're just on we're you know, coming up to release, you

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know, this year, and so
we're coming over and just doing all of

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the present promos, right and stuff
like that. How's that process gone for

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you? Yeah, it's going really
well. You know, like I'm superheapy

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with all the games coming together and
yeah, it's like amazing to get to

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fly over to you know, the
other side of the world and talking about

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your game. Yeah. Absolutely,
Are you guys you're based in New Zealand?

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Yeah, yeah, whole studio is
based in New Zealand. Yep,

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excellent, excellent. I know that
there's like a burgeon it's not the right

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word. There's an established game scene
there, but it doesn't feel like it's

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still growing all the time, Like
every day there's new game developers coming up

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out of like the education system.
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been absolutely amazing. I mean you've
got some like really established studios there,

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but like USA have some like you
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You know, I think it's like
Black Salt down in Dunedan, who do

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like Dridge? You know, like
amazing games coming out of New Zealand all

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the time, and you had so
many developers over there. Now, Seth,

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you recently launched a game, we
sure did. How'd that go?

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It went well? You can drive
around the Pacific Northwestern Pacific Drive Civic Drive

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out now. Yeah, came out
back in February, and you know,

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we even we've been enjoying the success
and relaxing a little bit after was you

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know, admittedly pretty difficult production.
But it's done and we're kind of winding

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down and starting to work on on
content for the future that'll be coming out

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over the coming months. And it's
been really exciting. Yeah, Like,

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are like win, does the relaxation
begin after lunch? We let you know,

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yeah, that's what I would assume
that it's like, No, the

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actual answer is like we you know, really try and avoid dragging our people

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through the mud as much as possible, Like it happens, like we we

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generally have a policy of like no
crunch, but we had some and drop

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out of that. But it happened
you got to sprint at a certain point.

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Yeah, yep, Like there's the
last mile, hopefully not several last

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miles. But you know, because
of that that extra time and effort,

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Like it's really important to us that
we give the team like a proper break,

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like some comp time. So everyone
got like a month to kind of

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use over the summer however they want
and hopefully like recover and recuperate a little

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bit, right. I mean,
you know, I think about it,

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like when we do stuff like this, it's like, yeah, we're working

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kind of NonStop for several days in
a row, and it's like that that's

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a sprint. It's like as long
as you're mindful of that and keep like

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you're keeping that in the tabulations of
like this has happened, we do need

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to like make up for it at
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job. At a certain point,
it is like yes, several laps of

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a sprint, it becomes something else, right yep. Yeah, So the

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game now you guys are like taking
this little breather and more more content to

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come. How do you sort of
is this like ideas that got left behind

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or so like, now that it's
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you have new ideas. It's been
a mix. I mean, some

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of it is stuff that like we
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during development and just like didn't make
sense to include at the end of the

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day in the final scope. But
some of it is also like seeing what

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the community is exciting excited about.
And you know, an example there is

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like in an update already not for
these coming updates, we added the ability

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to close the rear garage door so
you can actually like have an inside time

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when it's raining out and feel that
coziness fun. And then you know,

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we're also starting to think about like
further future things and do some like experimentation

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and R and D for for some
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Very cool, Sam, How do
you direct a narrative? How do

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I direct a narrative? Yeah,
narrative director, Sam Weekler, how do

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you direct a narrative? I get
to work with an incredibly talented team from

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the process of ideation to putting stuff
down on the page and then working with

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a million different departments who actually sort
of spin my flax into gold. And

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then people invite me onto couches.
Yeah, give me credit, appreciate it.

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You are indeed my lucky charm.
Last time I saw you, you

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came by to say hi, and
I'm like, yeah, Sam, come

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sit with me. That's when I
won that ten thousand dollars on that that

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parlay for hockey game. What hey, Okay, So yeah, people mostly

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do know the story. We were
at packs and before I left, I

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was just like, you know,
I'm gonna do this like it was like

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an eleven game parlay over under in
hockey. So it's like, I'm gonna

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pick over and under for all these
eleven games and if they all hit.

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You know, I also do like
the little like one dollar two dollars bet

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on each one, but I bet
eight dollars on all eleven games, and

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if all eleven would hit, I
would win ten thousand. And as he

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was coming over, I'm like,
I'm pretty sure it's gonna hit, and

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about yeah, fifteen seconds later,
it actually did come through. Well,

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we sat down in the corner and
I was like yeah, man, and

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then we I turned and looked,
and the entire your group was like staring

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at you like a ghost had just
sat yes, like it wasn't a shirt

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thing. It was like, are
we gonna jinks it or something like that.

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So but Sam was there, so
of course not. Yeah, I

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just I have an aura, Yes, exactly did you get his cut?

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Well, I can pay the government
first, so yeah, after that,

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but yeah, it was that was
a fun time, flashing my Venmo on

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the screen. Get your crypto wallet. Yeah. So you said you're out

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here kind of talking to press and
stuff. Seth. You kind of came

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down here to see some friends hang
out with us. Sam, are you

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doing anything at summer game fests?
I am doing very little summer game fest

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other than hanging out with a bunch
of games industry friends and seeing people celebrate

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finally getting to announce stuff and just
I don't know, it's been awesome.

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Well go ahead, please, I
feel like you should see how many parlays

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you can make it. Hey,
look, I am I am now accepting

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invites just to people who are gambling. Yes, within whatever field I emit.

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I'm renting it out open real estate. So I mean like none of

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you guys are part of summer game
fests proper, but you guys are all

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here. Is there still something that
is like drawing you in, Like,

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once there's a critical mass of people
in the industry in one place, it

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is just worth it to come out
or or what I mean. I would

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say I had a deep hunger during
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one, where there wasn't a lot
of these moments happening. Yeah, and

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then I've had a very busy last
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kid and everything like that, and
so you know, the moment I was

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like, yeah, I actually could
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bunch of other people who make games
that and honestly just see stuff that I'm

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a fan of myself. It seemed
like a no brainer. Yeah, how

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about you guys. Is it like
there's enough people in town like that that's

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what makes it able to go see
the press in person? Yeah? Yeah,

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yeah, I mean this time.
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we're in the home stretch on flint
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made sense for us to our way
over and you know, I haven't been

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to La since I think like twenty
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yeah, it's been a minute,
man, I had to get back here.

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Yeah, well how's uh, how's
these sort of get the word out

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changed? Between Ashen and now?
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I think, like you know,
being on streams and stuff like that,

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seems to be like a lot more
like prevalent. Yeah. I think like

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when we were showing off Ashen,
there was a lot more sort of like

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we just kind of released the trailer, do some like press sort of behind

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closed doors and things like that,
and yeah, now I don't know,

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I want to podcast, Yeah exactly. Yeah for Flintlock, what is are

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there any like walls you're running into
when you try to explain it to me?

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But I imagined, I imagine a
lot of people have preconceived notions about

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what they expect the game to be
when they see it. Is that something

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you're able to explain or did you
feel at a certain point people just got

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to play it to understand it?
What? No? I mean I think

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like with us being like a what
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experience, like a more sort of
accessible Soul's game I think, you know,

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just having a chat about that and
like you know, explaining that it's

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you know, not trying to alienate
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more of like a fusion between sort
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like a more typical kind of soulsy
game. But you know, I think

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like once people do get their hands
on the controller, like the game feels

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like super nice and so you know, everyone's super heavy, like once once

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you get hands on Yeah, and
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of the keys there is, like
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but once to set the expectations,
but people are going to get a chance

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to play it and then it's going
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itself. Yeah, yeah, exactly
exactly. You know. I mean,

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like as compared to say something like
Ashen, we have like a lot more

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of like a narrative focus in the
game. And so yeah, like I

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honestly can't wait for people to kind
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yeah, experience like the store in
the world of Finnlock. Yeah, you

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guys, you guys did have you
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and like some stuff like that,
right, is that what you're saying before

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we get started? Well, that
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and stuff. Like the previous time
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mostly for trailers and stuff like that. But yeah, I mean like this

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time, hopefully we have something you
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I'm curious about like that seems like
whenever I talk developers, it seems

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like it's such a huge process just
could create assets for media for people to

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see stuff. You're all nodding,
Uh, how much time does it take?

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God, how long is a piece
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take a long time. You know, we've had trailers because we make our

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trailers in house. We've had trailers
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and a half months with somebody or
multiple people working full time. That's just

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to create the trailer. And then
you've got all of the different like versioning

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for you know, whichever platforms want
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like it's just it's just yeah,
it's a whole massive process. And that's

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just like a trailer. Then like
what it's say, there was like a

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playable demo, Like is that a
bigger ass on top of itself like that,

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like you get laughing, we could
I'll try, man feel free.

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a playable demo is Yeah, it's
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something out into the public. It

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has to be ready, it has
to be you know, tested, stable.

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You know, you have to be
like really confident with the section that

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it is that you're showing, you
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like platforms that it's potentially going out
on. So yeah, Like also,

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usually when you're doing a demo is
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of development anyway, and so you're
already kind of stretched thin and you kind

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of have to make some magic happen. Yeah. Is that your guys' experience

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as well? Yeah? I mean
I think at least in my experience,

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like it depends a bit what your
audience is. Like if you're showing it

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behind closed doors to press, generally, there's like less tutorialization and sort of

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like onboarding that you need to put
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sitting there and you can kind of
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you're struggling with this a little bit, right, But when you're like on

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a show floor and the public is
just streaming past, like that thing's got

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to be nails, and you know
it. Sometimes you're doing that like before

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a lot of the game is really
ready and you have to like figure out

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how to make this one little chunk
like robust and engaging quickly, and you

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know that usually takes like at least
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time, and you're often having to
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you know, like our first excuse
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like you know, the core gameplay
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lot missing, so we didn't even
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which is like a really serious part
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ready and we didn't know also how
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you know, fifteen maybe thirty minute
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really really quick and like grab people
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walking by too, Like it's sort
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to your actual game, like you're
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of cases, Yeah, I mean, game deb is so nonlinear, right,

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and even across every single discipline,
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you're showing a vertical slice a promise
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be. And so that requires even
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u I user experience and bits like
that. You might have, you know,

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a perfectly rendered everything mo capped cinematic
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leading up to that cinematic hasn't been
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fucking show Yeah, or you or
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Don't look backwards, just keep me
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as much as that can be a
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everything, it can also be a
good milestone when you're saying of like,

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okay, we know we need to
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point. Let's make sure all the
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dial in. And not only is
that great for getting the public to understand

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what your game is, but it's
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it's a forcing function, right yeah, at the like until the last year

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of a game to have, at
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of like theoretical, like oh man, okay, imagine the art there,

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imagine the audio there, imagine all
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a huge morale boost for the whole
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with is amazingly talented and they're working
hard to get stuff in. But sometimes,

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you know, you might have a
discipline that checks things in regularly and

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you see it go for like very
crude to refined, to polish, to

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ship a bowl, or sometimes it's
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months and months and then boom,
ship able asset right in there. And

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for the team to be able to
see that is like, oh, hell

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yeah, we're making a video game. Hell yeah, I don't know,

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it's it's an internal marketing asset as
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good for morale because I think like
in game deay, you tend to get

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so like into what it is that
you're doing. You lose all kind of

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outside perspective and then being able to
show you something and especially like letting you

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know the public it hands on with
a there's just like massive learnings but also

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just like you know, a huge
excitement. I think for the entire team

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it does. The way you guys
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like a lot of these big decisions
have to like be this perfect alignment of

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does it serve a marketing goal,
does it serve a development goal? Does

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it serve a team building or whatever
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Is that something that is across all
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Yeah, And it does seem like
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stuff it has to be all three
yeah. Right. What's it so like

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what things have sort of become like
out of fashion? Like is it like

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you know, like having these big
demos. Are you do you expect to

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keep making demos? Is it because
of stuff like this that like, oh,

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like people do respond to them?
Or is it at a certain point

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it's going to get so unwieldy to
make these things that it's maybe not worth

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it. I mean, always the
best way to get people excited your game

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is prove that it's fun, Yeah, play it right, and video of

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that is only ever going to do
so much. Pre Rendered stuff is only

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ever going to do so much.
All that stuff has a really valuable place

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in marketing campaigns. But you get
people like you get controllers in their hands,

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that's gonna sell your game or break
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too, right, Like you can
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during development, but at the end
of the day, the scale of number

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of players that you're seeing, like
seeing come into contact with your games through

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that is really pretty minuscule. And
it's only through presence at like major shows

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like packs or SGF for you know, Wazdi in the UK or whatever it

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is that you actually get like a
non trivial number of people just like smacking

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into your game and beating it up
and showing you where the weak spots are

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and showing you where the strong spots
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of the team that like, oh, there is some magic here, and

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now we have a better idea of
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friction into the experience and where we
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you guys all have projects in different
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there's a lot of talk about the
oxygen the room being subsumed by the biggest

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games in the world and everyone just
playing that stuff. Do you do you

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do you feel that like as you're
getting ready to launch something. Is it

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that's something that people talk about or
is it like that's the nature of the

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beast. We just have to worry
about what we can control. Yeah,

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I think like we only we only
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think it's you know, there is
the sort of global presence, but also

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you know, being down in New
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hunker away I think, you know, like tink away on on our thing

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and then kind of come out with
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big the big players, Like I
mean, there's not really much you can

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do about it, right, Like, I think it doesn't stop us trying

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to make the best game that we
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like if anything, it just gives
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higher target to kind of reach for. And I think like as a as

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a smallest studio, you have to
be willing to, you know, like

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try and foot it with him.
Yeah, And do you guys feel like

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you were able to like build some
momentum at launch? I mean we we

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got kind of sandwiched between two absolute
Juggernauts, Final Fantasy Rebirth and Blotro.

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Yeah, the biggest of Juggernauts.
Yes, and you can't see that coming

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obviously, is like hugely, hugely
successful and it's amazing, and you know,

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it was actually an opportunity for us
because like they're also I mean,

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they're way smaller than you are.
It's basically one one guy, But it

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was an opportunity for us to kind
of boost each other. And like we

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did a little cross promotion, like
Frankie, one of our programmers, spent

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a weekend making it so Blochro could
be played on the ARCT device screen in

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the car. We did like a
tweet based on that, which was really

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really fun. But I mean,
honestly, like the Blochro demo was out

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there and I had to like prevent
myself from playing and he just chipped this

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video game. But it's as like, you know, the big title is

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like that have all the marketing budget. I think, Yeah, it's just

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you know, you you have come
so far in the in the journey,

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and at that point, hopefully you
have some pretty strong conviction about what you've

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made and the way that it's going
to connect with people, and you just

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have to assume it'll find its audience, and you know, you do everything

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you can to help it happen in
terms of like marketing and press and et

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cetera, et cetera. But yeah, you can't. You can't control it

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all. Make a video game,
put it out in the world. It

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isn't ever done. You just release
it. You hope for the best.

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Yeah, I mean, is that
the same for you guys over there at

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Gearbox? I mean yeah, I
mean we are dealing with budgets of that

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size right when it comes to marketing
and beats like that. I mean,

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it makes me think of when we
release Tiny Team as Wonderlands in early twenty

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twenty two. There was a blurb
in one of the reviews that like it

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made my day because it was like, hey, this is a great refresher

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after elden Ring, right right,
because elden Ring comes out, you're like,

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oh my god, like the biggest
fantasy release of all time, and

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we're releasing a fantasy game. But
I guess just the timing worked out where

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people were like, Okay, I've
I've had generally my feel of this enormous

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game, and now I'm gonna play
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more you know, fizzy and and
fun and that hit with people. But

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that's not something that we could ever
have targeted, right. I was gonna

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say, like, how, like
are you informed by any of this or

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like does it go back to like, well, we got to work on

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what we want to work on and
maybe have to take fewer risks or take

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more risks so we stand out like
what's that I'm not in the room right

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on those things? There's a lot
of people who get paid very very well

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to make those kind of like here's
our competition, here's the things that you

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know we need to move around,
here's the people that might move if we

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set a date that that sort of
thing. I just get in there and

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write really stupid jokes for the trailers. So you do tend to like it's

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happening earlier in the process, like
when you're picking your lease window. You

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do try to be mindful of at
least as far as you know what other

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titles are coming out around then,
and like do your best to avoid anything

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that's going to take up all the
oxygen. Like, you know, we

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had about a week before Final Fantasy
came out, and you know, we

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relied on Keupler, a publisher to
help us like pick that date, but

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presumably they had some inkling that that
might happen, and therefore it should be

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this week, not the following week. Yeah, and then like more broadly,

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when it comes to starting projects,
picking like what is the best idea,

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how do you all feel about like
like the ability to take risks right

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now? Yeah? I mean,
yeah, it's is it a scarier time

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than ever? Or is it just
a new kind of kind of scary?

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larger games, with the dev cycles
being so long, the idea of trend

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chasing is just it seems like dead
on right right. If I tried to

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make a major competitor to the biggest
games right this second, it would come

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out in twenty thirty, So like
what am I doing there? Like that's

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totally the devices are different, the
culture is different. Probably some of those

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names are still there, but they
look totally to imagine describing Fortnite right now

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to people playing Fortnite three years ago. They won't even remember this current exactly,

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Yeah, exactly. And so you
really just have to play more to

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what is your strength as a studio, as creatives, what gets you excited

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the team, Because if a team's
not excited about what they're building, then

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why are you doing what you're doing? Right? Maybe goes back to that

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idea of like what do you need
a line to actually make stuff happen?

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Right? That stuff you can't control. So you have your team, you

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have your budgets, you have your
ideas, and get all that stuff in

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a line and then just go make
something right. Yeah about right? Yeah,

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I think someone said before like you
just have to have your conviction right,

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and like, you know, I
think if you're starting work on like

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a new projects, you have to
sort of workshop it with the team and

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kind of like find something. I
mean, every every different student have have

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their own way of like going about
it, but you know, I think

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like workshopping it and just kind of
like coming to something that everybody kind of

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collectively feels super excited about. Only
then really can you kind of move forward

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with it? And at that point
it will kind of be you know that

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you won't really be like, you
know, trend chasing or anything like that.

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It'll be something like unto itself.
Yeah, I mean when it comes

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to trends that it really does feel
like you can't do much with that because

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it is just going to change so
fast. I mean, we do have.

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It's weird because we have the stagnation
of the same things have been popular

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for at least five years now right
before and it's been out since twenty seventeen.

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Guy's longer than five years already,
so like and at the same time,

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if you were to try to chase
those trends, it's like, no,

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that's just not going to happen.
Do you think that there is a

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time that we're gonna get to where
it sort of breaks the stranglehold that some

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of these biggest games have, like
where something comes along that surprises everybody and

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maybe shakes things up. Or are
we at a period now where things have

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settled down in gaming and change is
going to look different going forward? No,

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I think like there will always be
something brand new that comes out that

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will just like completely change what the
industry looks like. I think we've we've

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kind of like historically had always like
something that comes out. Maybe it's not

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on the level of like the World
of Warcraft or Fortnite or something like that,

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but you know, these these trends
do always kind of come in and

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so yeah, I mean, like
who knows what the next thing is,

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right, that's the big question.
Yeah, yeah, I mean be fair,

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but that's a good question. But
you guys looking forward to anything,

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particularly yourselves, any games you're gonna
play later this year, I can tell

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you I want to play Astrobot.
Every time I see that Hell yeah,

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every time I see that video,
I just get more and more excited.

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Yes, it looks it's the only
blood Borne content we're getting probably for real.

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Yes, yeah, it's that kind
of thing where I get really excited

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about the prospect of something like that
because Sony is reinvesting in a game that

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I feel feels really fresh, with
a million ideas, and it doesn't look

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like a lot of their other stuff. It's like, man, what if

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this one just takes off. I
don't think it necessarily is going to take

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over the world, but there's a
chance it does better than it ever had

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or any right to do. Like
a couple of years ago because people maybe

409
00:26:22.039 --> 00:26:26.759
are craving something a little bit different. But yeah, are you guys looking

410
00:26:26.759 --> 00:26:30.920
forward to anything in particular? This
is where I wish we weren't like shipping

411
00:26:30.960 --> 00:26:34.359
a game and I had time to
do anything other. Right. It really

412
00:26:34.400 --> 00:26:37.880
is just that where it's like you
are working on your own stuff constantly,

413
00:26:37.960 --> 00:26:41.440
right pretty much? Yeah? I
mean yeah, like I haven't really had

414
00:26:41.440 --> 00:26:47.359
too much time to check out like
the isg if like offerings and what's been

415
00:26:47.720 --> 00:26:51.359
out so far. But yeah,
I'll have to have to like do some

416
00:26:51.359 --> 00:26:55.519
research on the on the fly home. How about you? For me,

417
00:26:55.599 --> 00:26:57.480
it's playing everything the game over the
last two years, right, Yeah,

418
00:26:57.519 --> 00:27:00.200
that's okay. Yeah, so you're
just starting on the timeline, Yeah,

419
00:27:00.279 --> 00:27:03.039
exactly. Do you have to be
like any favorites that you were like finally

420
00:27:03.119 --> 00:27:07.039
I had I do have time for
this, honestly. Blotto is the biggest

421
00:27:07.079 --> 00:27:11.880
one with the our account and amount
of time that that has frued over is

422
00:27:11.920 --> 00:27:15.200
obscene. Another one that I'm really
keen to to get to is another Craps

423
00:27:15.200 --> 00:27:18.279
treasure. Yeah, that thing looks
great. I haven't had a chance to

424
00:27:18.359 --> 00:27:22.359
hit it yet though, but yeah, it's it's starting to work through the

425
00:27:22.359 --> 00:27:25.000
backlog this summer. Are you Are
you at a point where like you were

426
00:27:25.119 --> 00:27:27.640
like playing games for research or are
you like with these guys. I mean,

427
00:27:27.720 --> 00:27:32.359
yeah, I'm working through my backlog. I mean I forbid Balder's Gate

428
00:27:32.400 --> 00:27:36.440
from my house entirely because I know
that when I play it, I need

429
00:27:36.480 --> 00:27:41.720
to dive in fully and just go
into a fugue state and emerge complete or

430
00:27:41.759 --> 00:27:47.119
destroyed. I don't know, but
I've been trying to get some like shorter

431
00:27:47.240 --> 00:27:53.279
experiences in there, a couple like
Steam games like Abiotic Factor and Silaco Sileco.

432
00:27:53.279 --> 00:27:57.079
I don't I don't know it either, but yeah, Killer games absolutely

433
00:27:57.119 --> 00:28:02.920
Killer just immediately grabbed me to the
point where it's a problem right where I'm

434
00:28:02.960 --> 00:28:06.079
like, uh oh, I want
to invest twenty hours into this. I

435
00:28:06.119 --> 00:28:12.559
have five see you. Yeah.
Unfortunately, I just started playing like Rebooth

436
00:28:14.400 --> 00:28:18.319
and I realized the hellish Mistite that
I've made. Yeah, I mean that

437
00:28:18.640 --> 00:28:21.720
is a game that every when I
talked to it's like it's still going.

438
00:28:21.960 --> 00:28:25.880
Yeah, it seems like one of
the biggest single play games ever created.

439
00:28:26.559 --> 00:28:29.240
Yeah, and I just have like
zero time. So I started it and

440
00:28:29.240 --> 00:28:32.359
now I'm going to forget everything and
just resat it again at some point in

441
00:28:32.400 --> 00:28:36.440
time. Does that Does stuff like
that ever get you guys just developers,

442
00:28:36.480 --> 00:28:37.799
where like you play something and you're
like, oh my god, this game

443
00:28:37.839 --> 00:28:41.119
has all of the content in the
world. We have to compete with this.

444
00:28:41.279 --> 00:28:45.240
I regularly like we'll see a game
or play a game and I'm just

445
00:28:45.279 --> 00:28:49.279
like, Wow, this makes me
tired as a developer. Holy crap.

446
00:28:49.559 --> 00:28:52.799
Yeah, you've done so much here. Yeah, And obviously like it's incredible

447
00:28:52.799 --> 00:28:56.599
and as a player, I love
it, But some things I look at

448
00:28:56.640 --> 00:29:02.960
it, I'm just like, the
time and effort and dollars that went into

449
00:29:03.000 --> 00:29:06.480
this is like I do think about
it in those terms a lot, where

450
00:29:06.480 --> 00:29:11.759
it's the money per second of entertainment
that was spent to make it, and

451
00:29:11.759 --> 00:29:15.200
then I just have to pay seventy
and then I'm gonna forget about it after

452
00:29:15.240 --> 00:29:18.160
I play it on a like a
weekend or something like that. Does that

453
00:29:18.160 --> 00:29:22.480
that seems so out of tune?
Like as developers, is that does that

454
00:29:22.559 --> 00:29:23.960
ever get to you where it's like
people are like going to play this through

455
00:29:25.039 --> 00:29:27.799
through in a weekend after I spent
years and we as a team spent millions

456
00:29:27.839 --> 00:29:32.000
of dollars on it not for me, like I would absolutely love it if

457
00:29:32.000 --> 00:29:36.079
somebody like blitzty game yeah in the
weekend, right, Like it means that

458
00:29:36.079 --> 00:29:37.920
I would just super into it and
get enough of it. You're building it

459
00:29:37.960 --> 00:29:41.799
for that experience, so like when
that's okay, good exactly, Yeah,

460
00:29:41.880 --> 00:29:45.000
yeah, totally. But yeah,
like you know, for somebody like read

461
00:29:45.000 --> 00:29:49.039
with with it pumping and I don't
know how many more? Yeah, yeah,

462
00:29:49.160 --> 00:29:52.000
I mean there's no way you can
finish that game in a weekend anyway.

463
00:29:52.039 --> 00:29:56.519
But now true, yes, absolutely, yes. I mean for me,

464
00:29:56.640 --> 00:29:59.680
like, it's obviously exciting and flattering
when that happens, but at the

465
00:29:59.720 --> 00:30:02.599
same time time it's like, oh
my god, how do I keep up?

466
00:30:03.079 --> 00:30:03.880
Yes, that's what I would.
That's how I would feel, I

467
00:30:03.920 --> 00:30:08.200
think is I would. I would
feel like the treadmill I was standing on

468
00:30:08.319 --> 00:30:11.720
suddenly got turned back on when I
wasn't expecting it. Yeah, And I

469
00:30:11.720 --> 00:30:15.759
mean, so is that how do
you deal with that you start making another

470
00:30:15.839 --> 00:30:19.480
video game? No, I mean
the actual answer is kind of connected to

471
00:30:19.519 --> 00:30:25.559
your last question. Like I think
a trend that's developed of the last I

472
00:30:25.599 --> 00:30:30.160
don't know, probably ten years or
so, is like kind of any game

473
00:30:30.319 --> 00:30:33.119
turning into a game as a service, it's just kind of baked in and

474
00:30:33.160 --> 00:30:38.319
expected that, like you're gonna continue
supporting it and often with free content at

475
00:30:38.319 --> 00:30:42.359
this point, and then you know
often they'll be paid content even past that.

476
00:30:42.920 --> 00:30:49.000
But it's just like the status quo
and apparent expectation from from your players

477
00:30:49.039 --> 00:30:52.759
at this point seems to be like, Hey, this thing is going to

478
00:30:52.839 --> 00:30:56.720
get more and get better. And
obviously it's exciting as a developer to like

479
00:30:56.279 --> 00:30:59.640
ship a game and really know it
and know how to make it and make

480
00:30:59.640 --> 00:31:03.400
it well and then get to actually
like flex those muscles instead of just being

481
00:31:03.400 --> 00:31:06.799
like, ah, what if I
detached all those muscles and went and found

482
00:31:06.799 --> 00:31:12.319
new ones? That analogy got real
strain. Sorry, that's perfect beautiful.

483
00:31:14.319 --> 00:31:17.559
Get this guy doing some writing for
you. Yeah, hey yeah, always

484
00:31:17.559 --> 00:31:23.759
looking. But you know, it's
like that that also gives the team time

485
00:31:23.960 --> 00:31:30.160
to like bring players back and build
add value to the game and stretch the

486
00:31:32.359 --> 00:31:34.599
amount of playtime that there is or
types of experiences you can have with it

487
00:31:36.400 --> 00:31:40.200
in a way that's like way more
sustainable and easier to reach than just starting

488
00:31:40.240 --> 00:31:44.400
the whole next thing. Yeah,
I wonder it's the thing that I think

489
00:31:44.440 --> 00:31:48.519
a lot of people who play games
assume is that the only time we ever

490
00:31:48.599 --> 00:31:52.880
get live service games from developers is
because a corporation came down and demanded it.

491
00:31:52.079 --> 00:31:55.480
But I would got to think there's
probably occasionally sometimes where it's like,

492
00:31:55.759 --> 00:31:57.880
well that would help me keep up
if I build the game that people are

493
00:31:57.880 --> 00:32:01.440
playing forever, that would be nice. A steady drip, Yeah, exactly.

494
00:32:02.119 --> 00:32:06.799
Is that something that you feel?
Ever? It depends on the game,

495
00:32:06.880 --> 00:32:10.240
right, Like, I definitely as
I grow older and I have a

496
00:32:10.319 --> 00:32:15.880
kid now, I really appreciate when
a game is like, here's what it

497
00:32:15.960 --> 00:32:21.240
is, not changing Turbo tiny Terry's
Turbo Trip three hours. Hell yeah,

498
00:32:21.400 --> 00:32:24.599
in a nice, beautiful I respect
that, and like like Hades would be

499
00:32:24.680 --> 00:32:28.759
the example of like when it's like
here's the release. We might do some

500
00:32:28.839 --> 00:32:32.039
quality of life fixes, but that's
the content. And obviously they had more

501
00:32:32.079 --> 00:32:36.839
ideas, as evidenced by Hades two
being a good place to put them though,

502
00:32:37.440 --> 00:32:40.440
right exactly funnel all that stuff in
there. I I respect that a

503
00:32:40.440 --> 00:32:44.480
lot, both as a dev and
as a gamer is like, yes,

504
00:32:44.599 --> 00:32:49.640
I want this experience and it's closed
off. I always to your point about

505
00:32:49.680 --> 00:32:52.799
like when I'm playing a game and
I'm like, wow, you put assets

506
00:32:52.839 --> 00:32:57.319
here and not there and everything like
that. I'm always fascinated when it's later

507
00:32:57.400 --> 00:33:00.039
in the game, when it's like, here's a whole new system, here's

508
00:33:00.079 --> 00:33:06.160
a whole new section that we're rewarding
you for putting your time in, because,

509
00:33:06.200 --> 00:33:10.240
like the stats are, not even
half of your players are likely to

510
00:33:10.279 --> 00:33:15.759
finish your game, right, let
alone do endgame content or engage with raids

511
00:33:15.799 --> 00:33:20.480
and stuff like that. So when
the love is there and the attention is

512
00:33:20.480 --> 00:33:22.960
there, and like, you know, it feels like, oh wow,

513
00:33:22.960 --> 00:33:25.680
I've unlocked a whole new game,
it feels like, oh, you guys

514
00:33:25.799 --> 00:33:30.160
liked this game, you liked making
it, and you wanted to make more

515
00:33:30.200 --> 00:33:34.039
of it, and it felt like
the attention was there because from a you

516
00:33:34.079 --> 00:33:38.640
know, return on investment, late
game stuff is actually barely there, right.

517
00:33:39.319 --> 00:33:45.079
It seems like that happens because there
is an inflation of expectations what a

518
00:33:45.119 --> 00:33:50.480
game needs to be to justify being
a certain price. Do you guys think

519
00:33:50.519 --> 00:33:54.839
that that has reached a point where
maybe that could change, or maybe there

520
00:33:54.880 --> 00:33:59.279
are enough people who do want shorter
games, or is it kind of like

521
00:33:59.319 --> 00:34:00.920
no, no, if we are
going to ask so much from a player,

522
00:34:00.960 --> 00:34:04.720
we do have to build a game
that feels so big that it justifies

523
00:34:04.759 --> 00:34:07.000
that even if the number show most
people aren't going to play all that content.

524
00:34:07.280 --> 00:34:10.800
I think it really depends on like
what budget scale you're operating at.

525
00:34:10.840 --> 00:34:15.639
Like, for you guys, I
think the answer is probably no. But

526
00:34:15.800 --> 00:34:19.960
for us or like you know,
crow Country or something like, there are

527
00:34:19.960 --> 00:34:22.440
definitely games out there that you see
that are coming out that are like smaller

528
00:34:22.480 --> 00:34:28.920
and scope and shorter player experiences,
and people really value that and are connecting

529
00:34:28.920 --> 00:34:31.599
with it and excited about it.
So I think like it's it's sort of

530
00:34:31.599 --> 00:34:36.800
a if you build it, they
will come situation to an extent, you

531
00:34:36.840 --> 00:34:38.199
know. I think also of like
a Short Hike that was like sort of

532
00:34:38.199 --> 00:34:42.360
a revelation when it came out of
like, oh wow, this thing is

533
00:34:42.400 --> 00:34:45.400
amazing and it's only a few hours
long. Yes, and it that the

534
00:34:45.559 --> 00:34:49.519
brilliance of that game is like just
putting it on the tin like that,

535
00:34:49.800 --> 00:34:52.280
Yeah, this is a short game. We're telling you that right now.

536
00:34:52.800 --> 00:34:58.400
Yeah. So yeah, I mean, I think like there is an appetite

537
00:34:58.400 --> 00:35:04.559
for it, but but a lot
of your ability to target that as an

538
00:35:04.599 --> 00:35:08.800
experience is like what your risk profile
is overall. Yeah, how about you

539
00:35:08.840 --> 00:35:13.840
guys. You guys feel like when
you're building a game, you have to

540
00:35:13.840 --> 00:35:16.039
have a certain amount of content to
make it all make sense to certain players.

541
00:35:16.400 --> 00:35:19.400
You know what it is. It's
like when people buy a car,

542
00:35:20.079 --> 00:35:22.639
they list all the features of why
you should be excited to have the buy

543
00:35:22.679 --> 00:35:25.559
the car, and then when people
own the car, they like it for

544
00:35:25.599 --> 00:35:29.840
different reasons. Do you do you
feel like a lot of game development is

545
00:35:30.000 --> 00:35:32.239
building the list of features that people
get excited so it justifies the price.

546
00:35:35.719 --> 00:35:37.559
I mean, I think like early
on you kind of identify some of those

547
00:35:37.639 --> 00:35:43.639
like key features and things that are
going to make like the mess of gameplay

548
00:35:43.679 --> 00:35:47.239
differentiators within your game, and then
as you keep developing, you just keep

549
00:35:47.239 --> 00:35:52.360
finding like new ones, and like
I think maybe it's just like how how

550
00:35:52.559 --> 00:35:57.440
development goes. Like sometimes you can
keep some of those things in, sometimes

551
00:35:57.480 --> 00:36:00.679
you have to like pull them out
just to like timeframes. Like you know,

552
00:36:00.679 --> 00:36:02.639
I think we were saying, like, you know, games for so

553
00:36:02.760 --> 00:36:07.280
long as such a almost like a
disparate set of features and it doesn't actually

554
00:36:07.320 --> 00:36:14.280
feel like a game, like a
like an experience until quite late into the

555
00:36:14.280 --> 00:36:17.280
piece, and it's only then that
you can go like oh god, we've

556
00:36:17.320 --> 00:36:22.199
made like a huge mistake, or
like hey, this part here is like

557
00:36:22.320 --> 00:36:25.880
super fun. This needs to be
what the what the thing is. And

558
00:36:25.920 --> 00:36:30.119
that's kind of when you know,
you either get the hack saws out or

559
00:36:30.599 --> 00:36:35.519
like you know, you start like
fitting things around those those key those key

560
00:36:35.639 --> 00:36:38.639
like fun factors. Really, yeah, how do you manage that? It

561
00:36:38.639 --> 00:36:43.800
feels like something that like if there
isn't a strong guiding hand on the rudder,

562
00:36:43.960 --> 00:36:45.400
that stuff could get out of hand
pretty fast? Is that the case?

563
00:36:45.679 --> 00:36:49.440
Yeah? I think it really can. You can end up in a

564
00:36:49.639 --> 00:36:52.519
in a space where you know,
if there isn't somebody just like checking the

565
00:36:52.559 --> 00:36:57.519
game from the perspective of like an
end user effectively, like throughout development,

566
00:36:58.039 --> 00:37:01.519
things can extremely cookly go go off
the rails. But I mean that's what

567
00:37:01.719 --> 00:37:07.639
like direction is there for writers to
make sure that you know, the game's

568
00:37:07.679 --> 00:37:13.079
always always hitting in the in the
in the right direction, Like I was

569
00:37:13.119 --> 00:37:16.159
kind of equated to the start of
game dev as you're hitting off in a

570
00:37:16.199 --> 00:37:22.920
boat and you know that like the
destination island is like it's somewhere, yeah,

571
00:37:22.960 --> 00:37:27.440
and you know, as long as
like you can you can have some

572
00:37:27.559 --> 00:37:30.480
like sways in the path, but
you know, as long as you're mostly

573
00:37:30.559 --> 00:37:35.239
hitting in that right direction, you'll
get there eventually. Is this what consultants

574
00:37:35.280 --> 00:37:37.800
matter. I've never done consultant work
in consultancy work in my life, but

575
00:37:37.840 --> 00:37:42.599
it's like you need somewhere on the
outside, even if like their perspective is

576
00:37:42.719 --> 00:37:45.880
very singular, you seed someone to
come in and just say something like shake

577
00:37:45.960 --> 00:37:49.920
some stuff loose, that that external
perspective is often really really helpful, Like

578
00:37:49.920 --> 00:37:52.760
we did Mark reviews close to Ship, which is where you bring a journalist

579
00:37:52.840 --> 00:37:58.360
and who writes game reviews professionally and
then also provides this sort of like behind

580
00:37:58.360 --> 00:38:01.239
the scenes service to to developer where
they play through the game and write a

581
00:38:01.320 --> 00:38:05.639
review and that they send only to
you and then give you kind of like

582
00:38:05.679 --> 00:38:08.280
an analysis of like, hey,
here's some additional info about like what I

583
00:38:08.280 --> 00:38:12.360
thought was working, what I didn't. And actually, in our case,

584
00:38:12.599 --> 00:38:15.920
we ended up chopping off about like
ten to fifteen hours of gameplay from that,

585
00:38:16.400 --> 00:38:20.920
and it wasn't actual like mission content
or anything. It was just because

586
00:38:20.960 --> 00:38:24.320
of the like shape and size of
the overworld map, because the mechanic and

587
00:38:24.360 --> 00:38:28.400
pacific drive is like you go on
a run when you complete it, it

588
00:38:28.480 --> 00:38:32.440
sort of reveals the fog of war
a little bit more so because the overworld

589
00:38:32.519 --> 00:38:37.320
map had so many nodes in it, it just like was this tedious like

590
00:38:37.920 --> 00:38:43.239
grind to actually progress to the next
mission. And the game got so much

591
00:38:43.280 --> 00:38:46.960
better by just removing a bunch of
that like extra sort of buffer time,

592
00:38:49.440 --> 00:38:52.519
and you know, like not that
the game is now small, but that's

593
00:38:52.559 --> 00:38:57.039
also part of why we're doing like
the continuing content is because it makes the

594
00:38:57.119 --> 00:39:00.159
value feel good to players and then
they're more likely to recommend to their friends,

595
00:39:00.320 --> 00:39:02.360
which I think, like you know, you also can get by just

596
00:39:02.400 --> 00:39:07.519
making it an appropriate size and impressive
size at the start. But like word

597
00:39:07.559 --> 00:39:08.920
of math is so so valuable with
so many games coming out with that.

598
00:39:09.800 --> 00:39:14.000
Well, to your point about a
strong hand on the rudder, it's also

599
00:39:14.039 --> 00:39:17.719
important to not do the opposite and
freak out over one bad right of course,

600
00:39:17.760 --> 00:39:22.159
you know, test player or review
or anything like that and go,

601
00:39:22.440 --> 00:39:25.880
Okay, why do we get the
feedback that we got right Oh that the

602
00:39:27.239 --> 00:39:30.159
you know, that line didn't play
and so they didn't know the context for

603
00:39:30.199 --> 00:39:35.000
the sequence, or oh man,
the enemies were broken in that one section,

604
00:39:35.199 --> 00:39:37.960
and that sort of and that can
that can be points, that can

605
00:39:37.000 --> 00:39:40.840
be huge points. I mean,
like I got I got a note about

606
00:39:43.159 --> 00:39:47.599
a joke at the beginning of Wonderlands
in one of those reviews that like changed

607
00:39:47.599 --> 00:39:52.000
the tenor of another joke, and
I went, I really like that later

608
00:39:52.079 --> 00:39:53.320
joke. I'm not really attached to
that first one. I'll just cut that

609
00:39:53.519 --> 00:39:58.920
and boom. In later reviews,
people are like, that's a really funny

610
00:39:59.000 --> 00:40:01.800
joke. Yes, that's that's important, but you have to evaluate it.

611
00:40:01.840 --> 00:40:05.400
If I if I only wanted that
first one and didn't want that later one,

612
00:40:05.440 --> 00:40:07.280
I'd make the different decision. Does
it really come down to It's like

613
00:40:08.079 --> 00:40:12.679
gamers and reviewers, we're very good
at saying we don't like this, but

614
00:40:12.719 --> 00:40:15.280
we're not very good at saying,
and here's how you fix it. Oh

615
00:40:15.400 --> 00:40:19.880
well, I mean they'll say it. Yeah, we won't stop ourselves ever.

616
00:40:19.920 --> 00:40:24.320
Of course. It's a classic term
in terms of getting quit is if

617
00:40:24.360 --> 00:40:27.800
someone tells you it's wrong, they're
right, right, they tell you how

618
00:40:27.800 --> 00:40:30.519
to fix it, they're probably yes, exactly, I mean they you know,

619
00:40:30.960 --> 00:40:32.480
we have a lot of experts,
We have a lot of people who

620
00:40:32.559 --> 00:40:37.599
have played a shitload of games,
and so you always want to intake that

621
00:40:37.719 --> 00:40:40.440
recommendation or you just don't take it
as gospel. Yep, all right,

622
00:40:42.000 --> 00:40:44.079
thank you guys. Think that's gonna
be our first panel of the night.

623
00:40:44.400 --> 00:40:46.480
Got a lot more couches come into
you all evening long. We're doing it

624
00:40:46.480 --> 00:40:51.159
once again here on Giant Bomb at
Night Live from Los Angeles. We'll be

625
00:40:51.199 --> 00:40:59.840
back here in about ten to fifteen
minutes. It's boys' night. You're gonna

626
00:40:59.840 --> 00:41:04.280
have a from the boys not here
on Giant Bomb Live from Los Angeles,

627
00:41:04.440 --> 00:41:07.320
Night two. We're gonna make it
happen. I'm your host, Jeff Grubb

628
00:41:07.400 --> 00:41:10.360
for giant bomb dot Com. Got
I got the boys with me, including

629
00:41:10.760 --> 00:41:15.280
Jason Finelli, Jesson. How you
doing. I am fantastic on the day.

630
00:41:15.280 --> 00:41:17.480
It's a summer game, so that's
my man. You've been working.

631
00:41:17.559 --> 00:41:23.400
I'm working hard, but not hardly
working goodness. I have what twenty articles

632
00:41:23.400 --> 00:41:28.079
for fortyferent outlets this weekend, So
work for real, doing the real work,

633
00:41:28.519 --> 00:41:30.920
good games to play. I just
sit here and it's all good.

634
00:41:31.519 --> 00:41:36.400
There's a Rubik's cube hanging over there
to Taylor. Oh there you go.

635
00:41:36.559 --> 00:41:42.840
You sold that before we're doing You
have forty minutes out Mark we done.

636
00:41:42.880 --> 00:41:45.679
How you doing? I'm good?
And Mark Medina It's fine. I don't

637
00:41:45.719 --> 00:41:47.599
I don't care what You're the first
one I didn't ask. I guess right,

638
00:41:47.599 --> 00:41:52.280
because You're like, this is my
favorite kind of thing because I'm like,

639
00:41:52.320 --> 00:41:54.159
nobody seems to know each other and
we're all just like meeting for the

640
00:41:54.159 --> 00:41:58.960
first time. I'm I'm that's thought
it was gonna be the outsider, but

641
00:41:59.000 --> 00:42:00.840
nope, we're all out. No
exactly. It makes for a good couch.

642
00:42:01.119 --> 00:42:04.119
Yeah. No, I'm feeling good. We're doing I g in live

643
00:42:04.159 --> 00:42:06.840
this weekend. This isn't an ad, but it's it's been fun. I'm

644
00:42:06.920 --> 00:42:08.480
really tired. We'll talk. I
want to talk about like your experience.

645
00:42:08.880 --> 00:42:14.639
Yeah, how you doing by Glad
you're back. Jeffrey and Michael Grab How

646
00:42:14.679 --> 00:42:17.800
you doing? Maybe? How you
doing? Maybe I got you, I

647
00:42:17.840 --> 00:42:23.280
got you some things I wonder now, INDs Dick Stiborg, How you doing

648
00:42:23.559 --> 00:42:27.480
doing excellent? Jeff thank you so
much for having all of us. You're

649
00:42:27.480 --> 00:42:30.559
doing a bang up job. Appreciate
it. It's you know, it's tough

650
00:42:30.639 --> 00:42:37.000
being an influencer at Summer Game Fest. Yeah, but we'll see. We'll

651
00:42:37.000 --> 00:42:38.719
see your Sir. Taylor Cock are
you doing. Hello, I'm not in

652
00:42:38.719 --> 00:42:42.599
the games in a shame work,
so I'm just hanging out. Just showed

653
00:42:42.639 --> 00:42:47.079
up. Yeah, I tried to
stop you. You're you're Rubik's Cuban expert.

654
00:42:47.840 --> 00:42:52.719
Oh there, it's cool. Five
security guard film made it in Yeah,

655
00:42:53.199 --> 00:42:57.760
he's been training for a long time. All right, Gimma, what

656
00:42:57.840 --> 00:43:00.559
do you got for me? Okay, I hope it's or some sugar?

657
00:43:00.239 --> 00:43:07.599
Of course I have some for jam. I got your baby, My god,

658
00:43:07.079 --> 00:43:09.239
the best. I don't know if
it's the best or not, but

659
00:43:09.320 --> 00:43:13.599
I'm going to say it's the best
Germany we have. I think it's still

660
00:43:13.639 --> 00:43:17.440
my favorite. Actually time. It's
the same we brought last year. Yes,

661
00:43:17.920 --> 00:43:21.719
but I also I think that bag
is actually still sitting in the fandom

662
00:43:21.760 --> 00:43:25.000
office. I drank it. Yes, just go grab it. You have

663
00:43:25.000 --> 00:43:30.519
a new one, exactly. I
have some other stuff. Is alpha ctis

664
00:43:30.920 --> 00:43:34.519
a chorus. You need to try
them. This is one of our best

665
00:43:34.920 --> 00:43:38.440
products, our best things. It
is from Argentina. Yeah, I'm sorry

666
00:43:38.480 --> 00:43:43.039
I didn't myself. Okay, Yeah, yeah, I actould everyone watched last

667
00:43:43.079 --> 00:43:45.400
year they're watching this year. But
yeah, give us our foreign exchange student

668
00:43:45.880 --> 00:43:49.679
bring in some good stuff here.
So how do I say it? Out

669
00:43:49.719 --> 00:43:52.400
your place this time? That's okay? Yeah, absolutely, doors open.

670
00:43:52.480 --> 00:43:54.199
I have the code. It's a
robot hotel, so that's all you need.

671
00:43:55.480 --> 00:44:04.159
How do I say this? Alpha
hooris Alpha holis pretty good? I

672
00:44:04.440 --> 00:44:08.440
pronounced Medina. Well yeah, yeah, I knew. I like, I

673
00:44:08.440 --> 00:44:14.760
don't know, I switched places.
Come on, Okay, so wait,

674
00:44:14.800 --> 00:44:23.840
what is this? I know it's
really difficult to describe for I mean,

675
00:44:23.920 --> 00:44:29.800
it's like an ice cream sandwich,
but not frozen. I don't know,

676
00:44:30.119 --> 00:44:37.559
to cookies. It's sort of cookies
with chocolate on the outside. And it

677
00:44:37.639 --> 00:44:42.840
has to legit, which is one
of our best things as well. I

678
00:44:42.960 --> 00:44:46.079
brought you one. Uh, you
need to try it as well, and

679
00:44:46.119 --> 00:44:50.960
I have one for jan Uh.
I got your game. This was for

680
00:44:51.039 --> 00:44:57.480
you. I mean yeah, uh, they are not as well. They

681
00:44:57.519 --> 00:45:01.440
could pay you. It's not going
to be much, I mean because our

682
00:45:01.519 --> 00:45:06.559
currency is not that great. So
I don't know. Maybe yeah, I'll

683
00:45:06.599 --> 00:45:08.159
take more than enough. I don't
know. So what do you think?

684
00:45:08.440 --> 00:45:12.599
I like it a lot. That's
really tasty. Yeah, there are exact

685
00:45:12.639 --> 00:45:15.519
kind of snacks. I like,
it's an indescribable snack. Yeah, but

686
00:45:15.559 --> 00:45:20.400
it's yeah, I mean that that's
the easiest way to describe it. How

687
00:45:20.480 --> 00:45:24.119
was the how was the trip to
the States? Oh? I found out

688
00:45:24.119 --> 00:45:30.320
we've got more gifts for you.
Oh no, the whole okay, great

689
00:45:32.679 --> 00:45:38.079
in March me. Oh no,
it's when Irish time. That's a gift

690
00:45:38.079 --> 00:45:40.199
for me, all right, I
should open it? Yeah, yeah,

691
00:45:40.199 --> 00:45:44.679
all right, I'll see it.
Oh man, it's more wrapping paper.

692
00:45:44.719 --> 00:45:55.079
All right, let's okay, Ballant
Wonder World. Everybody get that I've reviewed

693
00:45:55.119 --> 00:45:58.280
this game, but I'm glad to
have yet another copy. I think I

694
00:45:58.280 --> 00:46:00.239
have a p S five or maybe
an Xbox copy at home. But that's

695
00:46:00.239 --> 00:46:05.159
a switch one. And that's with
more Okay, you take it real money.

696
00:46:05.159 --> 00:46:08.119
And this is this currency in Argentina, right, that's worth melliums.

697
00:46:08.159 --> 00:46:13.960
Dude, we don't even have that
one. And this comes all the way

698
00:46:14.000 --> 00:46:20.519
from the Wild Atlantic Way of Galway
from one John Man. Wait what this

699
00:46:20.599 --> 00:46:24.039
is from his stall which I picked
it up from. Ok, but so

700
00:46:24.119 --> 00:46:30.039
I talked to him about this.
Is it a fish? Maybe I would

701
00:46:30.079 --> 00:46:31.800
love for whatever it is to not
be anything in the shape of that.

702
00:46:31.880 --> 00:46:39.519
Ye. The actual USB drive is
okay, Well, first it's first,

703
00:46:39.559 --> 00:46:45.440
it's wrapping a picture of the in
team. There's John himself, beautiful,

704
00:46:45.039 --> 00:46:47.880
well one of the John's of course, there's mister Carmack and the rest of

705
00:46:47.920 --> 00:46:52.159
the gang. All right, let's
see here, there's more. There's like

706
00:46:52.199 --> 00:46:54.840
something in here as well as the
shirt. Take a let the shirt first.

707
00:46:54.880 --> 00:46:59.159
All right, what size you?
By the way, I'm a double

708
00:46:59.280 --> 00:47:00.199
X. I'm a big boy O. Yes, this is the medium.

709
00:47:02.800 --> 00:47:07.960
I really hugged the nipples. That's
what I want to cool guys at the

710
00:47:07.000 --> 00:47:12.480
beach. A fantastic all right,
and then all the chainsaw Wait, no

711
00:47:12.519 --> 00:47:20.320
way, did he really sign it? Thank you, John, thank you,

712
00:47:20.400 --> 00:47:22.880
Lexie, appreciate it. Thank you
so much. Oh man, Okay,

713
00:47:23.079 --> 00:47:25.159
hold yeah, I'm holding this the
rest of the night. All right,

714
00:47:25.280 --> 00:47:30.360
let's go. You don't have to
play so prominence. All right,

715
00:47:30.639 --> 00:47:36.239
I'm playing Dikatana right now, so
yeah, I know that's thank you for

716
00:47:36.280 --> 00:47:38.559
that as well. John Romero.
All right, let's uh, let's I

717
00:47:38.559 --> 00:47:43.039
don't know, let's talk about whatever
else except for Dakatana. Jason, how

718
00:47:43.039 --> 00:47:49.480
you doing? Do you like Tatana? I don't like. I will say

719
00:47:49.519 --> 00:47:52.519
it got a little bit better in
this last level, yeah, mostly because

720
00:47:52.559 --> 00:47:54.599
I was beating bubles fat like,
do you minus the du Yeah, listen

721
00:47:54.880 --> 00:48:00.039
that first those first couple of stages
are just completely inexplained. They're more explicable

722
00:48:00.079 --> 00:48:04.159
than the snacks of Argentina. It
was. It's some wild stuff. Is

723
00:48:04.199 --> 00:48:07.840
it better than ball in Wonderland whatever? That's that's sell your soul for the

724
00:48:09.119 --> 00:48:14.400
music? Wonder World? Actually good, it's a little bit. Yeah.

725
00:48:14.599 --> 00:48:16.840
I think it's a little bit worse
than Baalen wonder World. Actually yes,

726
00:48:17.039 --> 00:48:20.000
I think if I had to choose, that's how I compare every game.

727
00:48:20.079 --> 00:48:24.639
Yeah, that's a better Any of
you played Ballen wonder World? No?

728
00:48:25.840 --> 00:48:30.559
Okay, le yeah, okay,
yeah, I beat that game. There's

729
00:48:30.559 --> 00:48:32.840
more to it. I haven't touched
yet. I'll get to it eventually.

730
00:48:32.840 --> 00:48:37.840
Of course I will do some speed
run smart No please, I'm good.

731
00:48:38.239 --> 00:48:42.760
So you did do some speed running
with me and Astro you were party did

732
00:48:42.960 --> 00:48:45.119
Yeah, that's that's like our only
interaction. That's how we did it.

733
00:48:45.159 --> 00:48:49.960
We just sell your stuff. So
I appreciate it. Thank you. Yeah,

734
00:48:50.000 --> 00:48:53.119
I know, we we That was
a really fun like week of and

735
00:48:53.159 --> 00:48:57.280
then they fixed all the speed run
tricks and we just like we're like all

736
00:48:57.360 --> 00:48:59.519
right, so get that. They
like what happened? Was it? Was

737
00:48:59.519 --> 00:49:00.840
like there was this seed run trick, yeah, punch off the ledge and

738
00:49:00.880 --> 00:49:02.800
that you could do it with basically
double boost. So we're getting all these

739
00:49:02.800 --> 00:49:06.920
really long yeah. And then they
took that out. Our times were locked

740
00:49:06.920 --> 00:49:09.880
in. Yeah, and like the
last couple of months they put it back

741
00:49:09.920 --> 00:49:13.639
in. Oh they did, Yes, it's got to get back in there.

742
00:49:13.639 --> 00:49:16.440
So all our times got crushed because
of that because I was like locked

743
00:49:16.440 --> 00:49:20.280
in the top ten, and then
they it felt weird, like it's like

744
00:49:20.519 --> 00:49:24.239
hundreds of thousands of players. Then
it's like Mark from IG and Jeff games

745
00:49:24.280 --> 00:49:29.159
Speedia people, we know you were
not ahead of me. We are good

746
00:49:29.159 --> 00:49:30.639
at video games. And then they
fixed it and I'm like, no,

747
00:49:30.679 --> 00:49:35.360
we're not. Okay, that's why
I do when everyone's like Games Journal starting

748
00:49:35.360 --> 00:49:37.480
good games, like you could go
beat my Mountain run time, which for

749
00:49:37.519 --> 00:49:39.840
many of most people still can't actually
do. Yeah, that's a fun week.

750
00:49:40.000 --> 00:49:43.760
Absolutely. You still doing a lot
of speed running, like that's all

751
00:49:43.800 --> 00:49:45.840
the time. Yeah, we were
doing it today, you know, yesterday

752
00:49:45.840 --> 00:49:50.719
we did it with Yacht Club,
who's like I think after this we had

753
00:49:50.800 --> 00:49:52.639
them at IG and Live. We
did shovel Night. That's you know,

754
00:49:52.719 --> 00:49:57.760
that's the only game they've ever made. So they just keep releasing different versions

755
00:49:57.760 --> 00:50:00.119
of Shovel Night. We keep speed
running. Very lazy. Yeah right,

756
00:50:00.199 --> 00:50:04.599
yeah, like do something else?
Come on? But yeah, absolutely.

757
00:50:04.679 --> 00:50:07.320
But now I work on the guides
team as well. So it's just,

758
00:50:07.519 --> 00:50:10.079
you know, it's what's that work
like these days? It's it's a it's

759
00:50:10.079 --> 00:50:14.079
a grind, but it's fun.
We love it. We have a we

760
00:50:14.119 --> 00:50:16.840
have a good team at I g
N and we just we're just we're all

761
00:50:16.840 --> 00:50:22.760
passionate about it. We just play
games until we hate them. That's usually

762
00:50:22.760 --> 00:50:24.880
I would it's like to work on
the guide, Steam can play it until

763
00:50:24.880 --> 00:50:28.159
you hate it. I could second
because I work one his guide's team is

764
00:50:28.159 --> 00:50:31.840
a freelancer too. I never want
to see sand Land again, see it

765
00:50:31.840 --> 00:50:34.880
again? Did you work for I
g N? Yeah? Yeah, I

766
00:50:34.880 --> 00:50:37.079
did the guides for the vehicles,
the characters. What's your name, Jason?

767
00:50:37.840 --> 00:50:40.840
Okay, I'm sorry, I'm Mark. I work at I g in

768
00:50:42.559 --> 00:50:46.599
are on the guide team. I'm
Jason Finelli. I'm a freelance mercenary for

769
00:50:46.679 --> 00:50:51.639
high Okay, games, journalism,
nothing else, nothing else, nothing else.

770
00:50:51.719 --> 00:50:53.559
Well, what's up, co worker? How's it going? I didn't

771
00:50:53.599 --> 00:50:58.719
know, Jake? How you doing. I'm doing well. I feel like

772
00:50:59.280 --> 00:51:01.880
being, you know, the star
studded influencer that I am. On the

773
00:51:01.880 --> 00:51:06.280
floor of the Summer Game Fest.
It's like, you know, Jeff Keeley,

774
00:51:06.400 --> 00:51:08.840
he's probably the number one most recognized
guy out. He was deferential to

775
00:51:08.880 --> 00:51:13.239
you today. I thought so too. Thank you for saying I didn't want

776
00:51:13.239 --> 00:51:15.719
to. I didn't want to push
it on you, but you know,

777
00:51:15.800 --> 00:51:17.840
yeah, playing a lot of fun
games. I still thinking about Jeff's presentation

778
00:51:17.880 --> 00:51:21.880
from yesterday a little yeah, when
you think of it, I keep thinking

779
00:51:21.880 --> 00:51:27.239
about Lego Horizon. That man,
there is just an energy and a confidence

780
00:51:27.320 --> 00:51:31.480
in Aloy and Horizon as like a
thing that exists and I don't and I

781
00:51:31.519 --> 00:51:37.920
don't quite understand where that enthusiasm comes
from for me, but I think like

782
00:51:37.000 --> 00:51:40.239
the the era that we're in now
of like this can we make it a

783
00:51:40.280 --> 00:51:45.519
brand? Is weird and a little
and can be a little off putting,

784
00:51:45.760 --> 00:51:49.199
but it's also I like taking this
thing and saying, hey, here's the

785
00:51:49.239 --> 00:51:52.440
fun, G rated version of this
game. So yeah, I did go

786
00:51:52.480 --> 00:51:55.360
back and watch the trop because I
was yesterday all basically have a conversation was

787
00:51:55.440 --> 00:51:58.760
I don't get this game at all. I don't know how it happens.

788
00:51:59.000 --> 00:52:00.800
And then I was like, you
know what, I'm back at the hotel.

789
00:52:00.880 --> 00:52:02.239
Let me just because we actually did
a bit during it where someone was

790
00:52:02.320 --> 00:52:06.079
hit me with a leaf blower,
so I didn't actually even watch it the

791
00:52:06.079 --> 00:52:07.079
first time. So I sat down
and I looked at it. I'm like,

792
00:52:07.880 --> 00:52:12.519
it looks cute and it seems like, you know, my concern was

793
00:52:12.800 --> 00:52:15.559
how much Horizon stuff can they be
polling from to fillut this stuff? And

794
00:52:15.559 --> 00:52:16.199
it's like, well, they have
an answer to that. That's what the

795
00:52:16.239 --> 00:52:19.800
hot dog stuff, that's just from
other lego things, and so they're going

796
00:52:19.840 --> 00:52:22.440
to fill it in with that.
I'm like, oh, this seems fine.

797
00:52:22.719 --> 00:52:23.679
Honestly, it looks like it might
be a pretty good time. I'm

798
00:52:23.679 --> 00:52:25.679
like, I've kind of changed my
tune a little bit after giving it a

799
00:52:25.719 --> 00:52:29.880
more chance. But you watched the
trailer again, you learned You're still not

800
00:52:30.440 --> 00:52:32.400
you still like not don't know exactly
what it is. I still don't know

801
00:52:32.480 --> 00:52:36.400
how it happens. I'm like a
lot of people try to explain. It's

802
00:52:36.440 --> 00:52:38.199
like, you know, if they're
trying to force the brand and millions of

803
00:52:38.199 --> 00:52:42.239
players, and this will be a
good gateway for children to get into this

804
00:52:42.320 --> 00:52:45.480
franchise. I don't understand any of
that, but once you're playing the game,

805
00:52:45.519 --> 00:52:47.000
I would imagine a lot of that
stuff just goes away, right,

806
00:52:47.079 --> 00:52:51.000
You don't think about that well.
And I've always thought as like, as

807
00:52:51.079 --> 00:52:54.039
like a screenwriter, if somebody were
to hand me the Horizon brand, I

808
00:52:54.039 --> 00:52:57.079
think I would take the plot and
I would just say, I'm not going

809
00:52:57.119 --> 00:53:00.320
to touch this. I'm going to
take iconic about the world, built something

810
00:53:00.360 --> 00:53:02.519
new. And it kind of feels
like that's what they're doing in Lego Horizon.

811
00:53:02.519 --> 00:53:06.559
They're just taking the world and they're
going to make something that just appeals

812
00:53:06.599 --> 00:53:09.639
to kids, probably in a way
that's more reminiscent of animated movies. The

813
00:53:09.679 --> 00:53:14.159
game is animated like the Lego animated
movies, which is great. Yes,

814
00:53:14.199 --> 00:53:19.679
it lost like it's internalizing like good
lessons from things around it, And I

815
00:53:19.800 --> 00:53:22.000
like the decision to put it on
switch that's cool, you know. So,

816
00:53:22.239 --> 00:53:28.960
yeah, not an Xbox, but
the walls down you might even think

817
00:53:28.960 --> 00:53:30.639
about that, You're right, it
was like, oh yeah, not an

818
00:53:30.760 --> 00:53:32.519
Xbox. Huh, all right,
well, it is ways of change.

819
00:53:32.559 --> 00:53:37.960
It's not playing the wall cussing down. The CIA has not gone that far

820
00:53:38.039 --> 00:53:40.920
right. They've not been able to
make that happen. Weird, Taylor.

821
00:53:42.000 --> 00:53:45.000
You not in the game's industry,
So when you show back up these things,

822
00:53:45.280 --> 00:53:47.559
is it like things are how you
remember them, or is it weird?

823
00:53:47.719 --> 00:53:52.760
It's a bunch of the same people, but losing people gradually over alongside,

824
00:53:52.760 --> 00:53:54.519
which is always fascinating. It's like
who is not here? But then

825
00:53:54.599 --> 00:53:58.840
I get to meet people like Jake, Yeah, lovely and wonderful and everyone

826
00:53:58.880 --> 00:54:00.480
here, and Jason, who I've
talked to you eight thousand times that I've

827
00:54:00.519 --> 00:54:05.599
seen sort of been like, Jason, I know you only across the room,

828
00:54:05.599 --> 00:54:07.519
and that's fun. Talk to mother. That's what happened. The first

829
00:54:07.519 --> 00:54:10.360
time I met him. I was
facetilling my mom and Jeff walked up and

830
00:54:10.400 --> 00:54:12.840
like, hey, Jeff, here's
my mom. She's on the beach.

831
00:54:13.800 --> 00:54:16.559
Perfect. Perfect. But that it's
been like it turns out if you're not

832
00:54:16.719 --> 00:54:22.719
working Summer game Festus Yeah, awesome
and relaxing and like I just get to

833
00:54:22.719 --> 00:54:25.119
get soaked about stuff and sit on
my couch and play to twenty twenty four

834
00:54:25.239 --> 00:54:30.280
hottest game Golden Sun for the game
boid Man. Yeah, and uh,

835
00:54:30.480 --> 00:54:32.320
just watch them. Announced video games
which is and not have to worry about

836
00:54:32.320 --> 00:54:37.159
writing about them. What got you
super stoked? Oh god, I mean

837
00:54:37.519 --> 00:54:39.920
I will tell you what got me
not stoked. Is the Sad Dog game

838
00:54:40.559 --> 00:54:45.440
with the dog that from the Grease
people. Uh yeah, it looks amazing,

839
00:54:45.480 --> 00:54:49.000
looks incredible, looks wonderful. That
dog is gonna die. I'm not

840
00:54:49.000 --> 00:54:52.039
gonna pay that the dog's gonna die. Yeah, it gets big though,

841
00:54:52.079 --> 00:54:54.800
so yeah, yeah, but that's
kind of worse. That whimper it made

842
00:54:55.039 --> 00:54:59.960
was so real. That was a
real wimp personally. Yeah. I feel

843
00:55:00.079 --> 00:55:01.320
like they're gonna do the reverse.
They're gonna kill the human and they control

844
00:55:01.360 --> 00:55:08.519
the dog for the rest of them. Whoa the first legend? Okay,

845
00:55:08.599 --> 00:55:14.000
Yeah, if you guys were making
a game today and you put a dog

846
00:55:14.039 --> 00:55:15.079
in it, you know people are
going to assume you're gonna kill the dog,

847
00:55:15.159 --> 00:55:19.079
right audience, It's like, man, I must see a dog die.

848
00:55:19.119 --> 00:55:21.760
Is that happening? You get betted
and I need to get skilled.

849
00:55:21.880 --> 00:55:24.280
Yeah, that's on the cover of
the Dog Dies. That's how that works,

850
00:55:24.360 --> 00:55:28.039
right. What eppens to the dog
in the game where we jump into

851
00:55:28.079 --> 00:55:30.320
its head? Remember that trailer that
we're jumping between the heads of all the

852
00:55:30.360 --> 00:55:37.280
different there were several. Okay,
I saw a lot of he gets out

853
00:55:37.280 --> 00:55:40.920
of that situation alive, right,
who. Yeah, every time I've jumped

854
00:55:40.920 --> 00:55:44.679
in the wood jaw dog, it's
been fun. Just a short term body

855
00:55:44.679 --> 00:55:46.159
snatch exactly. Okay, so that
can happen. Yeah, that makes sense

856
00:55:46.159 --> 00:55:50.679
to me. So I g and
lives happening it is. How's that?

857
00:55:50.679 --> 00:55:52.679
Bet? I know we were talking
before and you're like, I had nothing

858
00:55:52.719 --> 00:55:53.440
to do with this, but you
get to show up and it's sure,

859
00:55:53.480 --> 00:55:58.199
it's fun. Yeah. Yeah,
we decided to put on our own event

860
00:55:58.360 --> 00:56:00.760
and everyone should go if you want
to go. It's really hype. It's

861
00:56:01.039 --> 00:56:05.039
I'm wearing two bracelets. I don't
know what either of them mean. They're

862
00:56:05.079 --> 00:56:08.360
the same bracelet. I'm just realized. It's like every time I walk in,

863
00:56:08.400 --> 00:56:12.880
they just slap things on my wrist
like they're like, it means you

864
00:56:12.880 --> 00:56:15.639
can go places. But yeah,
we we were like, you know what,

865
00:56:15.920 --> 00:56:19.760
we miss E three And you know
I've been at Igene since twenty fifteen.

866
00:56:19.880 --> 00:56:22.679
Every year, you know, every
year we come down here to La

867
00:56:22.960 --> 00:56:27.960
the energy's here. You get to
see all your coworkers and it's like it's

868
00:56:28.000 --> 00:56:31.880
just this fun weekend, and then
the pandemic hit and E three died a

869
00:56:32.000 --> 00:56:35.800
slow death and uh, and then
we were like, you know what,

870
00:56:35.880 --> 00:56:38.239
let's just do it ourselves. I
swear this is an advertisement. It's actually

871
00:56:38.280 --> 00:56:43.280
really fun. We were like,
is it going to be Firefest? It

872
00:56:43.360 --> 00:56:45.599
wasn't. It's really good, Jake
said he was there. It's an actual

873
00:56:45.679 --> 00:56:49.760
avest. You want to not be
firefest, but it's that's our goal.

874
00:56:49.840 --> 00:56:54.280
It's like balance Wonderworld. It's like, no, that was okay, don't

875
00:56:54.599 --> 00:57:00.719
too real. We that wall good
thing that happened. It was like two

876
00:57:00.719 --> 00:57:04.760
months ago and we were like,
man, we gotta, we gotta,

877
00:57:04.800 --> 00:57:07.719
we gotta make this good. We
gotta make this good. And it's like

878
00:57:07.800 --> 00:57:10.840
it's so cool because it's it's very
fan forward facing and so it's like,

879
00:57:10.920 --> 00:57:15.000
sorry, if I don't have a
voice, I've been literally screaming at people

880
00:57:15.360 --> 00:57:16.559
all weekend, so the MIC's for
you, all right, Yeah, but

881
00:57:16.599 --> 00:57:22.599
it's like we we just invited everyone
we know with like seven thousand people are

882
00:57:22.599 --> 00:57:27.559
there and just shaking hands and getting
COVID. It's great. I mean,

883
00:57:27.840 --> 00:57:29.920
you know, not like you're calling
the shots, but do you feel like,

884
00:57:30.119 --> 00:57:32.400
if this makes sense, this is
working that's kind of the deal.

885
00:57:32.639 --> 00:57:37.719
Is like when you're there, you're
like, no, this this, we

886
00:57:37.800 --> 00:57:40.920
might be onto something here, right, And so it's like I've seen creators,

887
00:57:40.920 --> 00:57:45.000
I've seen game developers. I've seen
people on Twitter being like, Okay,

888
00:57:45.039 --> 00:57:47.360
I'm going to this next year,
Like I wasn't sure, but now

889
00:57:47.360 --> 00:57:52.280
I'm seeing the pictures and I think
I think we might have something here.

890
00:57:52.360 --> 00:57:54.199
Yeah. So now, so now
we got a point where it's like,

891
00:57:54.199 --> 00:57:58.840
Okay, we have Summer game Fest
happening, and this is like a closed

892
00:57:58.840 --> 00:58:00.960
off space. It's like a campus
for people who are creators of media,

893
00:58:01.320 --> 00:58:05.920
and I gen's kind of doing some
of the fan forward stuff. Yeah,

894
00:58:05.920 --> 00:58:09.920
you said, we've sort of replaced
elements of E three plus because there was

895
00:58:09.960 --> 00:58:15.719
never really a real fan facing element
of that. Do we feel like there

896
00:58:15.800 --> 00:58:17.920
is a place for like the deals, the backroom deals, the conversations where

897
00:58:17.960 --> 00:58:22.360
like secret E three was happening.
Has that like shown up anywhere else or

898
00:58:22.360 --> 00:58:23.480
did that I'll just go to GDC? Do we think? I mean?

899
00:58:23.519 --> 00:58:27.480
I think it's I think it's all
the like play days. I guess,

900
00:58:27.519 --> 00:58:29.599
like I haven't really been to the
play days. I don't know if anybody

901
00:58:29.639 --> 00:58:31.440
else has been, but it's like
that kind of seems to be. The

902
00:58:31.559 --> 00:58:35.679
vibe is like everybody wants to play
days yesterday and they're like I played or

903
00:58:35.800 --> 00:58:37.239
no today actually, and they're like, yeah, I've been playing games,

904
00:58:37.280 --> 00:58:40.199
I've been doing whatever, I've been
meeting with people whatever, and I'm just

905
00:58:40.199 --> 00:58:45.280
like I'm just in this like it's
basically a rave and we're just like like

906
00:58:45.360 --> 00:58:51.199
and we're just like videos alright,
It's yeah, we're we're trying our best

907
00:58:51.320 --> 00:58:53.559
over there. But like tomorrow we're
gonna have Phil Spencer there. He's gonna

908
00:58:53.800 --> 00:58:59.840
do a post show for the Xbox
thing. And it's like it feels as

909
00:59:00.079 --> 00:59:02.639
close to E three is we're gonna
get for for for now. Yeah,

910
00:59:02.679 --> 00:59:06.639
and it's like we don't need to
replace the whole thing exactly, which did

911
00:59:06.639 --> 00:59:08.480
know a few little bits and pieces
here and there to get everyone in town

912
00:59:08.760 --> 00:59:12.880
that make it makes sense exactly.
It's like, what are our favorite parts

913
00:59:12.880 --> 00:59:15.840
of E three, Let's do that
make it open to everybody, and everybody

914
00:59:15.840 --> 00:59:20.719
should go if you want to have
fun, Yo, mohou's been for you,

915
00:59:20.960 --> 00:59:22.239
like covering the stuff, see stuff
in person. I we know you

916
00:59:22.280 --> 00:59:25.199
guys came last year, yeah,
working, yeah, Yeah, it's been

917
00:59:25.199 --> 00:59:30.320
it's been pretty good. I had
a thirty six hour flight from from home,

918
00:59:30.400 --> 00:59:34.199
so I had an incredibly fucked up
thing. You just said, Yeah,

919
00:59:34.360 --> 00:59:37.760
I had foot poison on the way, A little sprinkle on top,

920
00:59:37.800 --> 00:59:45.440
all right, yeah, a fly
that could have cured my foot. Oh

921
00:59:45.519 --> 00:59:51.480
yeah, Yeah, I had a
great flight while I was being boisoned with

922
00:59:51.480 --> 00:59:55.440
with a two things don't sound like
they go together, but it's been worth

923
00:59:55.440 --> 01:00:00.199
it. This first day was pretty
chaotic and we had a lot of appointments,

924
01:00:00.320 --> 01:00:04.639
a lot of embargoes. I don't
know why everything is so embargo.

925
01:00:04.760 --> 01:00:07.119
It's very embargo. Yeah, I
don't talk about anything. Yeah I could.

926
01:00:07.400 --> 01:00:12.559
I could talk about Yars Rising everyone, which was a lot of fun.

927
01:00:12.599 --> 01:00:16.320
Actually I'm very yrs Rising yours let
Troy Vane okay, cool. Then

928
01:00:16.360 --> 01:00:19.840
there's like five other things I can't
talk about, which I mean, I

929
01:00:19.880 --> 01:00:22.000
suppose it's nice because you put everyone
on the same footing, give s like

930
01:00:22.039 --> 01:00:25.360
the people who are writing content time
to make stuff and go home and actually

931
01:00:25.400 --> 01:00:28.960
do that and have a breather.
It's still just weird. It's weird.

932
01:00:29.639 --> 01:00:32.440
Those games have been announced, they
have shown gameplay and trailers, but we

933
01:00:32.519 --> 01:00:37.960
still can talk about them. I
saw do you know Wakening today. It's

934
01:00:37.159 --> 01:00:43.960
weird that they are doing the most
blockbuster version off Dune, but with a

935
01:00:44.039 --> 01:00:46.800
license and with things from movies.
But it's an ulti late timeline. I

936
01:00:46.800 --> 01:00:51.679
couldn't get to play. It was
hands off. It was good, weird

937
01:00:51.760 --> 01:00:57.119
but good. I tried some other
stuff that is embargo as well. I

938
01:00:57.719 --> 01:01:05.079
played a Parcel Corpse. I'm in
love with that game. Yeah. It's

939
01:01:05.360 --> 01:01:10.239
a combination between Tony Hawk, Jesse
Radio and Crazy Taxi. You ride a

940
01:01:10.239 --> 01:01:16.039
bike, you make deliveries. It's
like this whole message about the gig economy

941
01:01:16.679 --> 01:01:22.360
and the dev team were really cool. It looks great, it plays great,

942
01:01:22.559 --> 01:01:28.039
and I think it's one of those
games that like exemplifies what Summer Game

943
01:01:28.079 --> 01:01:32.760
Fest could be about. What Jeff
talked about yesterday that I don't know,

944
01:01:32.800 --> 01:01:37.119
it's not the Triple A Fest or
whatever and it can't be right. Yeah,

945
01:01:37.280 --> 01:01:43.320
yeah, and I don't mind.
This year we have played incredible smaller

946
01:01:43.400 --> 01:01:47.119
games and I liked that vibe.
I don't know, I have like a

947
01:01:47.199 --> 01:01:52.920
positive energy around this Summer Game Fest. Last year it was trying to be

948
01:01:53.280 --> 01:01:58.960
three, but I don't know something
was missing. This year it is Okay,

949
01:01:59.039 --> 01:02:01.840
Yeah, it's it's these games,
it's these publishers, and I think

950
01:02:01.880 --> 01:02:06.000
that's school as well. I don't
know if it's going to stay this way.

951
01:02:06.320 --> 01:02:08.599
Yeah, do you feel like it
needs to grow in something bigger because

952
01:02:08.760 --> 01:02:12.400
because they're just to justify itself for
what? Because I'm not sure either.

953
01:02:12.519 --> 01:02:16.960
We were way too many people today
on campus and it got crowded. And

954
01:02:17.320 --> 01:02:22.920
I came the first time on twenty
twenty two. It was really intimate post

955
01:02:22.000 --> 01:02:28.079
COVID and everything last year was bigger. This year they are using every square

956
01:02:28.119 --> 01:02:31.000
inch of the campus. Yes,
I was in the HQ cabanas today,

957
01:02:31.000 --> 01:02:34.320
which didn't exist last year. I
don't think, yes, I don't.

958
01:02:34.360 --> 01:02:37.639
We don't know what the HQ stands
for. Maybe high quality, maybe headquarters.

959
01:02:37.679 --> 01:02:40.679
They're definitely cabanas, though I have
no idea if going there. I

960
01:02:40.760 --> 01:02:44.760
just walked in and they're like,
wait outside, Okay, I'm sorry.

961
01:02:44.760 --> 01:02:49.599
I saw yours rising just several yis. You walked places with a purpose.

962
01:02:49.679 --> 01:02:52.519
You can get just anywhere. Yeah, just you have to just look like

963
01:02:52.559 --> 01:02:55.880
you belong I got the badge.
I just assume I belonged to Yeah,

964
01:02:55.920 --> 01:03:00.199
now I got the chainsaw. Honestly, I remember, yeah, john this

965
01:03:00.239 --> 01:03:02.679
is Johnny the Week. Let me
in. You need to display a strong

966
01:03:02.800 --> 01:03:07.679
romero I do every week wednesdaysh Summer
Game Fist. They are going to let

967
01:03:07.760 --> 01:03:10.639
you in. There were a lot
of people being escorted by Jeff Keelly this

968
01:03:10.760 --> 01:03:15.320
time around. Yeah. I don't
know if they are making backdoor deals like

969
01:03:15.320 --> 01:03:17.800
on E three, sure, but
a lot of people being escorted by Jeff

970
01:03:17.840 --> 01:03:22.840
Keeley. So that that's one thing
I noticed from DC year specifically. Yeah,

971
01:03:22.880 --> 01:03:28.119
yeah, it does. It does
feel like, you know, Judges

972
01:03:28.159 --> 01:03:30.880
Week mutated into this massive thing.
It doesn't feel like E three turned into

973
01:03:30.880 --> 01:03:34.880
this little thing. It's kind of
like a whole other track of what's happening.

974
01:03:35.079 --> 01:03:38.360
And it's at this point, like
the embargoes aside, I feel like

975
01:03:38.760 --> 01:03:42.039
it's just great that everyone feels like
they have a reason to come out here

976
01:03:42.039 --> 01:03:45.480
where the last couch was three developers
that weren't at Summer Game Fest in anyway.

977
01:03:45.840 --> 01:03:49.039
They're just in town for different reasons
and they've all been able to justify

978
01:03:49.039 --> 01:03:51.920
it and like that is probably what
would have happened at E three. So

979
01:03:51.920 --> 01:03:53.079
it's like, I think we're going
to be all right in terms of the

980
01:03:53.079 --> 01:03:57.800
industry being able to have that dynamism
happen because we're all on person so that's

981
01:03:57.840 --> 01:04:00.280
something. And then you know,
we get the couches together and it's a

982
01:04:00.320 --> 01:04:02.840
good time, and that's that's great
as well. I tried the little game

983
01:04:02.880 --> 01:04:08.119
from Bloomhouse. Feels are spot lights? Yes, so that that one looks.

984
01:04:08.239 --> 01:04:10.599
That looks I'm gonna say, this
is the technical term, shit hot.

985
01:04:10.679 --> 01:04:14.239
It looks. It looks so cool. I'm like, really into a

986
01:04:14.239 --> 01:04:17.840
house up. Yes, surely.
And it's only being made by two people

987
01:04:18.159 --> 01:04:23.760
like Joseph yesterday, just a fewty
other bus but I could come to both

988
01:04:23.800 --> 01:04:26.639
of them and they were really happy. I don't know, I don't know

989
01:04:26.679 --> 01:04:30.719
that weird Bloomhouse initiative was cool.
Yeah, I mean I didn't. That's

990
01:04:30.760 --> 01:04:34.039
something that a lot of people been
bringing up. Is this uh movie studio

991
01:04:34.360 --> 01:04:38.599
that has a vision of like,
here's your ten million dollar budget to make

992
01:04:38.599 --> 01:04:41.559
a small movie, go make it. And that's great. That bringing that

993
01:04:41.599 --> 01:04:45.280
mentality to game development from a publishing
side is new and different than something like

994
01:04:45.320 --> 01:04:48.000
private Division, which is like we're
a big corporation. We make rock Star

995
01:04:48.199 --> 01:04:51.480
games, so now we're gonna make
little games that are gonna be massive and

996
01:04:51.519 --> 01:04:55.559
it's like, what do you know
that's not happening? So are you doing

997
01:04:55.639 --> 01:04:59.880
faith that Blue Mouse can make?
That makes sense? Yes, I don't

998
01:04:59.920 --> 01:05:04.920
know. They say that the right
words yesterday, you know, weird subversive

999
01:05:05.599 --> 01:05:12.400
games, which is also a weird
word to hear in a Jeff Kelley's stage.

1000
01:05:12.760 --> 01:05:16.280
Actually, so I add that it
was a cool vibe and yeah,

1001
01:05:16.320 --> 01:05:23.559
those developers seemed like really happy and
really grateful for all the cool things people

1002
01:05:23.559 --> 01:05:27.079
were saying. And the game was
good as well. I mean it looked

1003
01:05:27.079 --> 01:05:30.440
cool. It was a little twenty
minute demo. Of course, they say

1004
01:05:30.440 --> 01:05:33.159
it's it's a narrative based game.
It's not a survival horror or anything.

1005
01:05:33.159 --> 01:05:38.559
But they made it modern in cool
ways and retro in others. So I

1006
01:05:38.559 --> 01:05:44.119
don't know. I want to try
those other games. Sam Barlow and Cronenberg

1007
01:05:44.559 --> 01:05:47.519
Crog. Yes, yeah, that's
cool as hell. So I don't know

1008
01:05:47.639 --> 01:05:51.880
that it came out of nowhere and
right now I'm wish listing everything on scene.

1009
01:05:53.000 --> 01:05:56.239
Yeah, we'll have a lease from
a Bloomhouse song later to talk about

1010
01:05:56.239 --> 01:05:59.000
it, so that'll be a lot
of fun. Yes, Jake, last

1011
01:05:59.039 --> 01:06:02.320
time you were here you were working
for YouTube channel. You've left what's that?

1012
01:06:02.360 --> 01:06:05.320
What's that been like? Uh,
it's been great. I will say

1013
01:06:05.440 --> 01:06:14.719
I have been the target of a
mass harassment campaign which as as you're like

1014
01:06:14.920 --> 01:06:17.400
all based in logic and reason why
your actions and not who you are as

1015
01:06:17.440 --> 01:06:21.880
a person, as a sweet like
little cute boy on the internet, it's

1016
01:06:23.039 --> 01:06:28.039
just getting like head kisses, thank
you. It is a little weird that

1017
01:06:28.239 --> 01:06:30.960
like I'm the target because I don't
I don't think it's yielding the results for

1018
01:06:31.000 --> 01:06:35.079
them that they want to because you're
an adult and don't give a fuck.

1019
01:06:35.440 --> 01:06:39.599
It's something like that. I think
the Steinberg of it all plays a role.

1020
01:06:42.159 --> 01:06:45.039
But yeah, it's it's it's obviously
there are a bunch of dumb dumbs

1021
01:06:45.519 --> 01:06:48.800
and it's and you don't even have
you you can be a dumb dumb and

1022
01:06:48.840 --> 01:06:53.960
even recognize the dumb dumbness of them. But uh, all week I've had

1023
01:06:54.000 --> 01:06:57.840
people coming up to me that I
really look up to in this industry,

1024
01:06:57.880 --> 01:07:00.480
you know what I mean, people
whose work I've read for you years,

1025
01:07:00.159 --> 01:07:03.400
like Steven Tatillo or Patrick Klepek,
like people that I really look up to,

1026
01:07:03.440 --> 01:07:06.639
and they've been asking me like,
how are you doing? And honestly,

1027
01:07:08.000 --> 01:07:10.440
man, I am just like used
to this kind of thing. I've

1028
01:07:10.440 --> 01:07:13.280
experienced it my whole life. But
the truth is, the thing that really

1029
01:07:13.320 --> 01:07:16.519
stays with me is who stands up
for me, who decides they're going to

1030
01:07:16.599 --> 01:07:20.960
do the work and say something and
on my behalf and the people that do,

1031
01:07:21.360 --> 01:07:25.280
Oh, my God, in my
good graces for frickin life, I

1032
01:07:25.280 --> 01:07:28.159
have so much love. I have
so much respect for them. And I

1033
01:07:28.239 --> 01:07:30.920
end up having this conversation with myself
about the standard that I'm allowed to hold

1034
01:07:31.000 --> 01:07:34.840
others too, because there are so
many people in this space who I think

1035
01:07:35.320 --> 01:07:39.840
could get away with saying something that
if I said the same thing, the

1036
01:07:39.920 --> 01:07:42.960
Nazis come for me, but they
could say it and not be afraid of

1037
01:07:43.000 --> 01:07:45.239
that. And it gets under my
skin sometimes that they won't do it for

1038
01:07:45.280 --> 01:07:47.639
me. Yeah, and you know, I want to believe these people love

1039
01:07:47.679 --> 01:07:50.599
me, but it's hard to believe
sometimes. Yeah, there's a reason you're

1040
01:07:50.639 --> 01:07:54.800
here, and it's because we want
you here Like that is that is the

1041
01:07:54.840 --> 01:07:58.719
whole thing of it. That's what
you represented. We don't want your voice

1042
01:07:58.760 --> 01:08:00.480
ever to be silenced. You need
to be louder. And so I'm I'm

1043
01:08:00.480 --> 01:08:03.280
glad you're here. And man,
we got your back, right always.

1044
01:08:03.480 --> 01:08:08.079
The thing is I do worry about
like because they don't come for me in

1045
01:08:08.079 --> 01:08:10.199
the same way. And so when
I say stuff, I'm always like,

1046
01:08:10.360 --> 01:08:13.599
and it's God, when I turn
off Twitter and go away, I'm gonna

1047
01:08:13.599 --> 01:08:15.479
stir them up, and they're going
to go attack their usual targets, right,

1048
01:08:15.520 --> 01:08:17.359
And so that's the kind of thing
I always think about it. And

1049
01:08:17.399 --> 01:08:20.640
so I'm like, I try to
just not stir up the hornets. That's

1050
01:08:20.640 --> 01:08:25.000
these days, and like hope for
the best. But it's like, how

1051
01:08:25.000 --> 01:08:27.279
are you feeling about it? Like
do you feel like it's starting to taper

1052
01:08:27.319 --> 01:08:29.920
off? Do you feel like that? Because they never feel like I've really

1053
01:08:29.960 --> 01:08:32.039
built up in the first place.
It's just it's a few idiots playing to

1054
01:08:32.079 --> 01:08:35.039
the same people over and over again. Right, Yeah, it's it.

1055
01:08:35.479 --> 01:08:38.960
It does not taper off, even
when you think it is. Yeah,

1056
01:08:38.960 --> 01:08:43.439
And like my my mentions and my
dms and even like I'll put a random

1057
01:08:43.520 --> 01:08:46.039
video on YouTube and I'll get the
people that are, you know, saying

1058
01:08:46.159 --> 01:08:49.359
pretty much the most like heinous anti
Semitic stuff you could come up with,

1059
01:08:50.039 --> 01:08:54.640
and it is a lot to take
on. I think it's exactly what you

1060
01:08:54.680 --> 01:08:58.399
said it's it's some people can kick
the hornet's nest, but when I do

1061
01:08:58.439 --> 01:09:02.319
it, it empowers a movement that
is so powerful right now. And I

1062
01:09:02.359 --> 01:09:06.680
think we're at a time, just
in our current cultural beat where this movement

1063
01:09:06.760 --> 01:09:11.840
does have a lot of power.
It does, so that is tough.

1064
01:09:11.960 --> 01:09:15.159
But again, it's like, man, I'm on that website with some really

1065
01:09:15.279 --> 01:09:18.960
cool mother, you know, and
and to be in the in the room

1066
01:09:19.039 --> 01:09:24.199
with them and to you know,
be honored like having when you invite me

1067
01:09:24.239 --> 01:09:27.279
to things like this, that really
means a lot to me. And I

1068
01:09:27.319 --> 01:09:30.720
gotta tell you this is this is
gonna sound cheesy, but every so often

1069
01:09:30.760 --> 01:09:32.479
I get a message from somebody in
my community who says, Jake, the

1070
01:09:32.520 --> 01:09:35.279
reason I watch you is because I
learn a lot while watching you, and

1071
01:09:35.319 --> 01:09:41.479
that shit like radicalizes me. That's
like I'm like, I've got to lin

1072
01:09:41.680 --> 01:09:45.600
to kill them now, I've gotta
yeah, but no, yeah, but

1073
01:09:45.640 --> 01:09:46.760
it's I think at the end of
the day too, it's like, do

1074
01:09:46.840 --> 01:09:50.399
I want my whole thing online to
be that I'm the Jew? Not really,

1075
01:09:51.079 --> 01:09:56.720
So anytime I can come on and
its just like talk about I realized,

1076
01:09:56.880 --> 01:09:59.640
I realized what my name and how
I look like what that does.

1077
01:10:00.000 --> 01:10:03.079
But anytime I can come on and
just kind of like talk about games and

1078
01:10:03.079 --> 01:10:08.119
be a contribute, a contributor in
a real way in this space that isn't

1079
01:10:08.159 --> 01:10:11.399
defined by my identity that I had
no choice in, it means a lot

1080
01:10:11.439 --> 01:10:13.880
to me, right, And it's
like that's got to be a tough balance

1081
01:10:13.920 --> 01:10:15.319
because like, you don't ever want
to run away from that stuff, right,

1082
01:10:15.520 --> 01:10:17.439
You want to own it and be
proud, of course, and you

1083
01:10:17.439 --> 01:10:20.840
should be. But then it's like, yeah, I think there's like we

1084
01:10:20.880 --> 01:10:25.079
Haddea go on from Argentina yesterday and
he was saying, like, you know,

1085
01:10:25.079 --> 01:10:27.520
I don't want to always be writing
about how here's what video games are

1086
01:10:27.560 --> 01:10:30.600
like in Argentina, Like yeah,
you just like want to have the same

1087
01:10:31.239 --> 01:10:33.640
starting platform as anyone else to be
able to dip into your culture. Of

1088
01:10:33.680 --> 01:10:40.159
course it seems challenging, is it. Yeah, it is, especially since

1089
01:10:40.279 --> 01:10:44.800
like I am a writer and I've
been professionally writing since I was eighteen,

1090
01:10:45.279 --> 01:10:47.800
and I feel like I don't get
to own that. And the thing that

1091
01:10:47.880 --> 01:10:55.239
I get to own is I'm the
loud, jewy guy. And it's like

1092
01:10:55.439 --> 01:10:59.319
and listen, listen, I love
I love being that guy. I love

1093
01:10:59.399 --> 01:11:04.640
being video games young Larry David please
like you know, it's my favorite SoundCloud.

1094
01:11:06.279 --> 01:11:11.239
It's like if I could open up
like a Spike video game channel.

1095
01:11:11.279 --> 01:11:14.079
No that okay, then I'd be
out of control. But yeah, no,

1096
01:11:14.239 --> 01:11:15.760
it is. It is tough,
and I do find that even in

1097
01:11:15.800 --> 01:11:18.520
spaces like this, like the people
coming up and talking to me, they're

1098
01:11:18.520 --> 01:11:20.840
talking to me about that, and
I kind of wish I was like,

1099
01:11:21.159 --> 01:11:25.359
oh man, other people come up, you have you jump to a certain

1100
01:11:25.359 --> 01:11:27.680
place in the conversation. But like, I don't get to be Jake,

1101
01:11:27.720 --> 01:11:30.840
I have to be Steinberg. Yes, yeah, and that is something I

1102
01:11:30.880 --> 01:11:31.800
try to be mindful of. But
it gets like, you know, I

1103
01:11:33.000 --> 01:11:35.960
want to support you want to be
like, yeah, I understand, it's

1104
01:11:36.039 --> 01:11:39.359
awesome that you want you get to
be who you are, and then at

1105
01:11:39.359 --> 01:11:41.399
the same time, it's like you
should be able to just come on here

1106
01:11:41.399 --> 01:11:44.039
and talk about video well. And
the truth is there's so much love out

1107
01:11:44.039 --> 01:11:46.439
here, and I think part of
coming to events like this is the rejuvenation.

1108
01:11:46.680 --> 01:11:50.800
It's all of those people aren't here. It's an ending reminder that no

1109
01:11:50.840 --> 01:11:56.399
one wants them here. Everyone is
so not invited, They're not It is

1110
01:11:56.479 --> 01:12:00.640
so tiny compared to like what it's
actually happening in rooms like that out there

1111
01:12:00.880 --> 01:12:04.000
where it's like people are they're not
even coming up exactly. So now Twitter

1112
01:12:04.159 --> 01:12:10.439
isn't real? Yeah right, well
I think it's not real for a lot

1113
01:12:10.479 --> 01:12:13.239
of people, but for somebody like
me, anti Semitism is in my life

1114
01:12:13.840 --> 01:12:16.199
in a real way, and I
think I think people oftentimes think that it's

1115
01:12:16.239 --> 01:12:18.880
like, oh, it's this anonymous
internet crowd, but no, no,

1116
01:12:18.720 --> 01:12:23.239
no, no, no, I
am. I am out here facing those

1117
01:12:23.279 --> 01:12:26.800
people in my real life in a
way that like, you know, I'm

1118
01:12:26.880 --> 01:12:30.199
I'm getting calls from my parents asking
if I'm okay, right, and that's

1119
01:12:30.319 --> 01:12:31.079
that's all, you know, It's
something to deal with, right. But

1120
01:12:31.079 --> 01:12:33.880
but it's because that that hatred is
like is the same in real life as

1121
01:12:33.880 --> 01:12:36.159
it is on Twitter. So it's
just an extension of that of course,

1122
01:12:36.279 --> 01:12:41.880
right right, right? Do you
okay? So it doesn't taper off,

1123
01:12:42.239 --> 01:12:46.079
But do we uh do we have
methods of putting them in their bucks and

1124
01:12:46.159 --> 01:12:49.640
shutting the lid? Ever? I
think so it's such a balance, right

1125
01:12:49.720 --> 01:12:54.920
because you you when you respond,
you know, you're making content for them.

1126
01:12:55.039 --> 01:12:58.399
Yeah, and uh, but at
the same time, I have a

1127
01:12:58.520 --> 01:13:00.199
duty to that person that messaged me
and said I learn a lot from you.

1128
01:13:00.359 --> 01:13:03.399
Yeah, And I think, at
the end of the day, that's

1129
01:13:03.439 --> 01:13:06.720
the person I care about more.
And at the end of and I gotta

1130
01:13:06.760 --> 01:13:10.239
say, I think if everybody was
on the same page and doing what I

1131
01:13:10.279 --> 01:13:12.920
was doing, I would never be
made a target. I'm may I like

1132
01:13:13.119 --> 01:13:16.720
somebody is like with a small an
audience as me. The fact that I'm

1133
01:13:16.800 --> 01:13:21.159
being made a target is just I
think a testament to how few people are

1134
01:13:21.159 --> 01:13:25.840
speaking up like and man, that
bums me out. The fact that like

1135
01:13:25.920 --> 01:13:28.199
I'm one of those people out here, I'm like the third person on the

1136
01:13:28.199 --> 01:13:31.640
freaking list. Like it's uh,
it like breaks my heart a little bit

1137
01:13:31.680 --> 01:13:35.720
because I want these again, this
this industry, these people I look up

1138
01:13:35.760 --> 01:13:39.239
to and I love and I've admired
their work forever. I want them to

1139
01:13:39.239 --> 01:13:42.239
show up for me. Yeah.
When the when I see my name is

1140
01:13:42.239 --> 01:13:45.159
on the on those lists, I'd
usually like, all right, I shut

1141
01:13:45.199 --> 01:13:46.720
the website. And I have that
that is such a privilege that I have,

1142
01:13:46.760 --> 01:13:50.119
and I recognize that. And because
it's like it isn't my real life.

1143
01:13:50.119 --> 01:13:53.239
In my real life, I walk
outside and they're like there's another white

1144
01:13:53.279 --> 01:13:56.960
guy that's just like anybody else.
So yeah, having to carry that around

1145
01:13:56.960 --> 01:14:00.079
all the time. I'm sorry,
Jake, I am thank you for saying

1146
01:14:00.119 --> 01:14:02.319
that. I appreciate it. And
just to just to give my my video

1147
01:14:02.359 --> 01:14:08.399
game flowers really quick. Gorilla Collective
last night, that was a freaking event.

1148
01:14:08.920 --> 01:14:13.239
I loved that event. And Combo
Devils that's the one. It's a

1149
01:14:13.279 --> 01:14:18.800
new platform fighter. They really understand
animations and like what the hip box is,

1150
01:14:18.800 --> 01:14:23.119
what the hurt box is making that
super readable. Freaking spoke to me,

1151
01:14:23.199 --> 01:14:26.479
dude, how to transcendent experience at
that event last night. So Combo

1152
01:14:26.479 --> 01:14:30.720
Devil's check it out. That's anything
else from like these other shows anyone that

1153
01:14:30.800 --> 01:14:33.159
like these smaller ones that like stuck
out to anybody there are at the day

1154
01:14:33.159 --> 01:14:36.600
of the Dev's booth here at Playdays. There are two games. I got

1155
01:14:36.600 --> 01:14:40.359
to play four of them today.
I'm going back for a fifth one.

1156
01:14:40.720 --> 01:14:45.880
Two of the four that I played, my sides were splitting from how much

1157
01:14:45.880 --> 01:14:49.399
I was laughing. One of them
is building Relationships, the dating sin where

1158
01:14:49.399 --> 01:14:55.119
you play as a house. You
play as a house and you just roll

1159
01:14:55.159 --> 01:14:58.720
on. Are you trying to date
other houses? I've always wanted to be

1160
01:14:58.760 --> 01:15:00.520
a house. You have to find
the batch. If I were, I

1161
01:15:00.520 --> 01:15:08.199
would have sex without the house.
So I have some examples. They're handing

1162
01:15:08.199 --> 01:15:11.880
out stickers and the stickers have little
sayings on them. So this one says,

1163
01:15:11.880 --> 01:15:14.239
hey, it's a windmill, and
it says, hey, would you

1164
01:15:14.239 --> 01:15:19.039
blow me? This one and it
says, my walls are a rock hard

1165
01:15:19.079 --> 01:15:24.079
for you? Well, this one
says, can I feel your load bearing

1166
01:15:24.159 --> 01:15:33.479
walls? This one says will you
use my back door? That's beautiful?

1167
01:15:33.720 --> 01:15:40.560
This guy making the game himself,
I think there was a very small team.

1168
01:15:40.720 --> 01:15:44.159
The passion that he has for such
a silly idea. He said he

1169
01:15:44.199 --> 01:15:45.520
got the idea from a game jam. He said it was called it was

1170
01:15:45.560 --> 01:15:50.520
The theme was construction deconstruction or something
construction destruction, sorry, And he said,

1171
01:15:50.520 --> 01:15:55.479
what I could do buildings, I
could do relationships. I could do

1172
01:15:55.520 --> 01:15:59.119
building relationships. And then that's where
this idea came from. And it's just

1173
01:15:59.600 --> 01:16:02.840
silly, like even then, it
doesn't sound like how we come up with

1174
01:16:02.840 --> 01:16:06.319
shows on giant bombers, Like we
just said the dumbest thing and now we

1175
01:16:06.359 --> 01:16:10.359
have to make it even the like. So the dialogue of one of the

1176
01:16:10.359 --> 01:16:13.359
houses it's like go meet me up
in the flower hill. I'm not gonna

1177
01:16:13.359 --> 01:16:16.560
walk that's for suckers. I'm gonna
teleport and then bang it's going. Is

1178
01:16:16.640 --> 01:16:19.680
it like a visual novel, No, it's ere. You're walking around this

1179
01:16:19.760 --> 01:16:28.560
island, rolling around this an eventual
like houses and eventually you get the ability

1180
01:16:28.600 --> 01:16:31.239
to jump with X and when every
time it jumps you just hear a kazoo

1181
01:16:31.279 --> 01:16:41.720
sound. Just just course is the
dating? How much does it? How

1182
01:16:41.760 --> 01:16:46.319
much does the a pr on this
game? I was I was crying laughing

1183
01:16:46.319 --> 01:16:50.000
with the next to this, and
you can feel his his his energy just

1184
01:16:50.039 --> 01:16:53.920
from my end. And this was
on the summer game fest like no,

1185
01:16:53.960 --> 01:16:58.520
it was the day, Yes,
it was the day of the it was.

1186
01:16:58.560 --> 01:17:00.560
It was one of the last ones, actually one of the one of

1187
01:17:00.560 --> 01:17:03.680
the later ones in the in the
presentation, he's the one that like you'll

1188
01:17:03.680 --> 01:17:08.279
remember his presentation because he may crack
a lot of funny, like I remembered

1189
01:17:08.319 --> 01:17:11.439
him as soon as I saw him. Go back and watch that part.

1190
01:17:11.479 --> 01:17:15.640
It's very funny. And then also
while waiting, it is a game about

1191
01:17:15.680 --> 01:17:17.800
things that you do while waiting for
something else. Okay, so one part

1192
01:17:17.840 --> 01:17:20.359
you're stuck in traffic, and you
can give you these little it is kid,

1193
01:17:20.520 --> 01:17:23.760
just this little kid, and you
have these little activities that you can

1194
01:17:23.800 --> 01:17:26.239
do while you're waiting in traffic.
One of them is roll the window down.

1195
01:17:27.000 --> 01:17:29.319
As soon as you roll the window
all the way down like a warrior

1196
01:17:29.319 --> 01:17:32.560
war No, it's it's it's it's
there longer than that. It's like so

1197
01:17:32.640 --> 01:17:34.800
like I roll the window down and
a bird HiT's on my head And I

1198
01:17:34.800 --> 01:17:38.960
get that that questa a bird shot
on? Man? You did? Like

1199
01:17:38.960 --> 01:17:41.319
did you weren't aware that was a
question. You're just doing this. There's

1200
01:17:41.319 --> 01:17:44.600
a little there's little stickers and you
can press escape and it gives you like

1201
01:17:44.640 --> 01:17:46.920
a checklist of fat but they're vague
clues. Sure right, like is it

1202
01:17:47.000 --> 01:17:50.039
raining birchse on your head? You
can get out of the car and like

1203
01:17:50.079 --> 01:17:54.760
there's these three little ducks and if
you go to each one and make them

1204
01:17:54.800 --> 01:17:57.840
follow you in a line, you
get the mother duck quest Like little weird

1205
01:17:57.880 --> 01:18:03.800
stuff like that. I feel like
you're describing a dream therapist. Later.

1206
01:18:03.920 --> 01:18:05.880
Yeah, it's like, yeah,
bird shit on my head. I don't

1207
01:18:05.880 --> 01:18:09.880
know. Like the games that were
at Day of the Devs, there was

1208
01:18:09.920 --> 01:18:12.520
those two there was Phoenix Springs,
which is a really cool point and click

1209
01:18:12.640 --> 01:18:17.000
style adventure, very striking art style. The voice voice actress who in this

1210
01:18:17.039 --> 01:18:20.720
little demo was very very good.
And then I also played After Love EP

1211
01:18:20.960 --> 01:18:27.720
which is from a Indonesian developer telling
a story about grief and and like so

1212
01:18:29.199 --> 01:18:30.760
a boy and a girl. The
girl dies in the very beginning of the

1213
01:18:30.760 --> 01:18:32.880
game, but then she comes back
to him as a spirit. He's not

1214
01:18:32.880 --> 01:18:36.119
sure if she's real or not and
she's guiding him. Very interesting game there

1215
01:18:36.159 --> 01:18:41.119
too. I did not get to
play UFO fifteen. Yeah, that's tomorrow

1216
01:18:41.279 --> 01:18:44.479
hopefully for me. That is the
Plunkey devs decided we don't want to make

1217
01:18:44.520 --> 01:18:45.920
one game, we want to make
fifty. Yeah, so have fun with

1218
01:18:45.960 --> 01:18:49.600
that, right, and this is
like I did, like fifty level games

1219
01:18:49.640 --> 01:18:53.399
all into one package. Yeah yeah, that looks really really cool too.

1220
01:18:53.479 --> 01:18:56.560
So those that day of the dev
in general, both sides of it,

1221
01:18:56.560 --> 01:18:58.079
are got a lot of guess.
Let me ask you, when you come

1222
01:18:58.119 --> 01:19:00.880
to these things, is it most
fun to like to find these games,

1223
01:19:00.880 --> 01:19:02.680
to discover, to come of tell
people about more than one hundred percent For

1224
01:19:02.800 --> 01:19:06.239
every Triple A announcement, every mind
blowing thing I get from the franchise that

1225
01:19:06.279 --> 01:19:10.399
I expect. I love when my
mind is blown even more by the games

1226
01:19:10.439 --> 01:19:12.800
I did not hear of until I
got here. Yeah it is I love,

1227
01:19:12.840 --> 01:19:15.600
Like the Blumhouse horror is not my
thing. I famously play horror games

1228
01:19:15.600 --> 01:19:19.439
by watching it on YouTube first because
I don't trust my family history. So

1229
01:19:20.680 --> 01:19:28.039
I so to sit down to sit
down with Blumhouse games, everybody, this

1230
01:19:28.119 --> 01:19:30.079
old ps one game I would have
avoided when I was ten, and get

1231
01:19:30.079 --> 01:19:32.319
the crap scared out of me for
a little while. I had fun.

1232
01:19:32.600 --> 01:19:35.399
I much fun. That is the
one thing that I miss about coming to

1233
01:19:35.399 --> 01:19:40.840
these events is I mean, I
remember back when Bashan was coming out,

1234
01:19:41.199 --> 01:19:44.760
just hearing whispers of this game on
the Aprin floor of like, have you

1235
01:19:44.760 --> 01:19:46.880
guys check out? Yes, fucking
thing out that it is? Like,

1236
01:19:48.199 --> 01:19:53.439
and it was, and it was
just Greg standing beside a booth, yeah,

1237
01:19:53.720 --> 01:19:56.760
and a big wine is waiting for
it. And it's been like,

1238
01:19:57.239 --> 01:19:59.640
wait, what the fuck is this? Because nobody, nobody had heard of

1239
01:19:59.680 --> 01:20:01.840
that game. I think people like
Bashing at this point has become a sort

1240
01:20:01.840 --> 01:20:06.800
of like legendary touchstone of indie development. But like looking back, nobody ever,

1241
01:20:08.000 --> 01:20:10.239
like, you know, we knew
Greg from the Game Spot days,

1242
01:20:10.600 --> 01:20:15.239
Like when on the show for it's
like, have you ever seen this fucking

1243
01:20:15.279 --> 01:20:18.239
thing? Don't you feel like there's
a degree to which the indie focused summer

1244
01:20:18.279 --> 01:20:24.520
games show actually justifies itself a little
bit more than trailers and stuff that we

1245
01:20:24.560 --> 01:20:27.600
all would have watched anyways. Yeah, I like it actually. As somebody

1246
01:20:27.600 --> 01:20:30.520
that never went to E three watching
this show, it made sense to me

1247
01:20:30.560 --> 01:20:32.760
all of a sudden why. I
was like, Oh, I'm being shown

1248
01:20:32.800 --> 01:20:35.760
a ton of games that I have
never heard of before, so that I

1249
01:20:35.920 --> 01:20:40.359
know what they are. Yeah,
and those are the games that in the

1250
01:20:40.359 --> 01:20:43.079
next few years Jeff Keey's going to
be able to rely on as well anyone

1251
01:20:43.079 --> 01:20:45.760
else putting on a show. And
that's why this year he did shift to

1252
01:20:45.840 --> 01:20:48.000
be like, hey, let's care
about these games from one or two developers,

1253
01:20:48.199 --> 01:20:50.720
because he's like, I know this
year, for sure, that's all

1254
01:20:50.760 --> 01:20:53.680
I got. The next couple of
years that might also be the case.

1255
01:20:53.720 --> 01:20:55.920
There was so much talk about like, oh, this game is made by

1256
01:20:55.920 --> 01:20:59.520
one or two people. Yes,
yeah, that's calculated and it's a little

1257
01:20:59.680 --> 01:21:01.279
little cynical, but it's like that
what else, what choice does he have?

1258
01:21:01.439 --> 01:21:04.800
But it got me thinking about back
in like and this is gonna sound

1259
01:21:04.840 --> 01:21:10.439
insane, but back in like the
Atari days when when you know there's you

1260
01:21:10.479 --> 01:21:14.239
know, pre Nintendo, pre any
of this stuff, back when most games

1261
01:21:14.239 --> 01:21:17.279
were made by a couple of people. And uh, and it seems like

1262
01:21:17.319 --> 01:21:21.079
this weird sort of balancing the people
to make doom, right, that's all.

1263
01:21:21.199 --> 01:21:25.479
That's all, yes, yeah,
And so it seems like there's this

1264
01:21:25.520 --> 01:21:28.600
sort of shift happening where it's like, hey, wait a second, this

1265
01:21:28.680 --> 01:21:31.119
triplation is not sustainable at all,
right, Like this all this stuff is

1266
01:21:31.119 --> 01:21:33.359
like, yeah, we can make
a couple of those a year, but

1267
01:21:34.079 --> 01:21:39.720
there's so much importance that needs to
be held up by these in the game

1268
01:21:39.760 --> 01:21:43.239
developers. And I don't mean that
I like the individ developers have to step

1269
01:21:43.319 --> 01:21:46.640
up. I mean like it's cool, yes, like there's really interesting,

1270
01:21:46.680 --> 01:21:51.279
so much writing on when a game
has like a three hundred million dollar budgets

1271
01:21:51.279 --> 01:21:55.920
like this has to sell a trillion
copies or it's not going to work and

1272
01:21:56.640 --> 01:22:00.359
why why does that happen? Part
of it is I always think of like

1273
01:22:00.840 --> 01:22:02.840
when people try to say corporations are
doing this well. As consumers, we

1274
01:22:02.880 --> 01:22:06.479
demand certain things and we have a
play in the marketplace, but it really

1275
01:22:06.520 --> 01:22:10.560
is those budgets have to be that
big because they have to be massive swings

1276
01:22:10.720 --> 01:22:13.920
for these corporations. And I think
we're in a period where it's like what

1277
01:22:14.119 --> 01:22:16.960
are we getting from the corporations that
have stepped in and took like a company

1278
01:22:17.079 --> 01:22:20.640
like like I and made them have
to be bigger and bigger and bigger to

1279
01:22:20.640 --> 01:22:23.880
the point where it got kind of
out of hand and weird. And they

1280
01:22:23.920 --> 01:22:29.039
have been great games still, but
it's we have to like maybe think about,

1281
01:22:29.039 --> 01:22:32.159
like why did that happen When people
were making smaller games with a few

1282
01:22:32.159 --> 01:22:35.520
people and that was good enough,
that was just gaming, and then the

1283
01:22:35.560 --> 01:22:39.680
corporation stepped in like, well we
need to see bigger returns, and that

1284
01:22:39.760 --> 01:22:42.560
has only kind of it's not only
been bad, but in this moment it

1285
01:22:42.560 --> 01:22:45.319
feels really terrible. I mean,
go back to a time when a game

1286
01:22:45.359 --> 01:22:49.239
selling one hundred thousand copies was a
massive smash hit. I mean they think

1287
01:22:49.239 --> 01:22:53.520
about like you know, an INDI
even developer who spends three years making a

1288
01:22:53.560 --> 01:22:57.840
game that they sell for fifteen bucks
and sell one hundred thousand copies, It's

1289
01:22:57.840 --> 01:23:00.479
like, oh wow, that justifies
their next tame yeah, great, awesome,

1290
01:23:00.800 --> 01:23:04.479
And and you know that obviously doesn't
happen for everybody developer but by any

1291
01:23:04.520 --> 01:23:09.119
charge in the imagination, but it
would be rad if that was a more

1292
01:23:09.159 --> 01:23:12.600
consistent thing now, I think too. That also makes puts a little more

1293
01:23:12.600 --> 01:23:15.119
onus on the Triple A devs that
their announcements that these things have to make

1294
01:23:15.199 --> 01:23:23.159
sense. I think Capcom yesterday had
the announcement of Terry and My coming to

1295
01:23:23.199 --> 01:23:29.560
Street Fighter six, the first ever
guest characters in Core Street Fighter. I

1296
01:23:29.600 --> 01:23:31.479
think that is going to blow the
doors open for fighting games in general,

1297
01:23:31.760 --> 01:23:34.359
just seeing all these guests. I
mean it's happened a little bit already,

1298
01:23:34.359 --> 01:23:39.560
but like you're going to start to
see franchises that were considered islands start to

1299
01:23:39.720 --> 01:23:44.560
really infuse guest characters and these like
backdoor deals and maybe it could end up

1300
01:23:44.560 --> 01:23:46.880
with the cap covers s K three, right, but I think they're going

1301
01:23:46.920 --> 01:23:50.800
to try to like take that energy
and infuse it into Core street But yeah,

1302
01:23:50.880 --> 01:23:56.439
but I think I think Summer Games
Fest is a perfect Capcom went from

1303
01:23:56.680 --> 01:24:00.640
DLC on discs to everything we do
is the right decision, and I'm met

1304
01:24:00.640 --> 01:24:02.319
when that happened. Yeah, they're
the one that figured it out, figured

1305
01:24:02.359 --> 01:24:04.439
it out. It was most on
our world. You don't need took one

1306
01:24:04.479 --> 01:24:11.159
remakes, remake a good one,
right, He's right. Monster Hunter World

1307
01:24:11.159 --> 01:24:14.479
seems to be the inflection point.
It came in something out with that game,

1308
01:24:14.600 --> 01:24:18.800
something clicked, and Mapcom hasn't missed
since twenty seventeen. Really, Marvel

1309
01:24:18.840 --> 01:24:26.279
versus Capcom Infidite was in twenty seventeen, and these fulls I met late twenties.

1310
01:24:27.520 --> 01:24:29.640
I did. I did review that
game and give it a high score

1311
01:24:29.640 --> 01:24:30.840
because I was focused on the game
play and not so much everything else.

1312
01:24:31.199 --> 01:24:34.800
Don't look that review up, but
I also reviewed that game highly for the

1313
01:24:34.840 --> 01:24:39.960
moment. In retrospect, Yeah,
that's like they're only miss in what almost

1314
01:24:40.000 --> 01:24:42.960
a decade. Doesn't it feel a
little bit like pop music though, when

1315
01:24:42.960 --> 01:24:46.079
we talk about these these big Triple
A developers. Yeah, there's a degree

1316
01:24:46.079 --> 01:24:48.359
to which, like what you were
saying, the decisions being made, it's

1317
01:24:48.359 --> 01:24:53.560
like we're being trained to consume a
certain kind of media. We have expectations

1318
01:24:53.600 --> 01:24:57.600
that are built into the art itself, and then I feel like these what

1319
01:24:57.600 --> 01:25:00.000
what I end up desiring at the
end of the day is maybe I'm growing

1320
01:25:00.039 --> 01:25:01.520
and out of pop music a little
bit. Yeah, And we're watching Jeff

1321
01:25:01.560 --> 01:25:05.520
Showcase last night, and man,
that game about the woman working in the

1322
01:25:05.520 --> 01:25:09.479
garden, Like that's the one that
sticks with me, you know, like

1323
01:25:09.479 --> 01:25:13.039
that first line she comes out and
says, I don't belong here and her

1324
01:25:13.119 --> 01:25:16.079
delivery on it, yeah, yeah, and it makes me like I believe

1325
01:25:16.119 --> 01:25:19.319
her she was a fighter. I
like, yeah, I wonder stop.

1326
01:25:19.319 --> 01:25:21.359
That's right. Yeah, that was
very good. And again and it's just

1327
01:25:21.479 --> 01:25:27.760
there is something about like when I
see that, you know, narrative third

1328
01:25:27.880 --> 01:25:31.479
person, there's something going on here
where it's it's like barely registering in my

1329
01:25:31.520 --> 01:25:35.640
brain anymore. This is this is
where I'm like, I'm hopeful and that

1330
01:25:35.760 --> 01:25:39.880
this is still Massive Corporation one of
their big games. But it's like it's

1331
01:25:39.920 --> 01:25:44.880
different from Astrobot from PlayStation feels like, could this like teach them that there

1332
01:25:45.000 --> 01:25:47.800
is value to all these other genres
if it does well but better than they're

1333
01:25:47.800 --> 01:25:53.279
expecting compared to what they maybe would
have anticipated. And it's like, maybe

1334
01:25:53.319 --> 01:25:55.840
we can have more variety in what
we approach, maybe take a few more

1335
01:25:55.960 --> 01:26:00.720
risks and really prioritize gameplay. And
yeah, but it's for too long now,

1336
01:26:00.760 --> 01:26:03.560
it has been they have to have
a certain level of product production values

1337
01:26:03.600 --> 01:26:05.800
to make it on me well,
and I think I actually kind of appreciate

1338
01:26:05.840 --> 01:26:10.560
It's like the indie games can prove
that something works and then you see a

1339
01:26:10.560 --> 01:26:15.239
game, you know, it's funny
like like what was what was Fortnite before

1340
01:26:15.279 --> 01:26:17.720
it copied an indie game or you
know what I mean. I mean copying

1341
01:26:17.760 --> 01:26:21.239
has always been in yea, yeah, So there's there's something to that where

1342
01:26:21.279 --> 01:26:25.840
it's like, man, if these
games can be at Summer Game Fest,

1343
01:26:25.960 --> 01:26:30.640
find a big audience, prove success, will that have an effect on these

1344
01:26:30.800 --> 01:26:34.000
kinds of big games that we all
kind of know what to expect at this

1345
01:26:34.039 --> 01:26:36.560
point with them, so hopefully.
I mean, it's it's been cool to

1346
01:26:36.600 --> 01:26:42.399
see like these games in like hardcore, like really interesting perspectives and also you

1347
01:26:42.479 --> 01:26:45.520
know, especially here, but also
thinking about the last year of game sales.

1348
01:26:45.560 --> 01:26:47.880
I mean, think about hell Divers, Like Hell Divers is a game

1349
01:26:47.920 --> 01:26:51.920
at its core about nonsense. It's
just about doing silver shit with your friends,

1350
01:26:54.039 --> 01:26:59.479
multip do its thing. But the
writing of that game has a very

1351
01:26:59.560 --> 01:27:03.479
serious perspect like a very like streamlined
perspective. It's got to target and it

1352
01:27:03.520 --> 01:27:06.720
hits it's weird how it's a political
video game. Yeah, weird. No,

1353
01:27:06.760 --> 01:27:14.600
it's not. It's just about you're
telling me that is political. All

1354
01:27:14.680 --> 01:27:15.720
right, we're gonna wrap up this
segment. That was a great time.

1355
01:27:15.920 --> 01:27:19.680
We got a lot more couch coming
to you later here on Giant Bomb at

1356
01:27:19.760 --> 01:27:24.239
Night Live from Los Angeles. Thank
you boys, thank you for the gifts.

1357
01:27:24.239 --> 01:27:27.359
Thank you Lexi. You'll be right
back after this watch. You're pointing

1358
01:27:27.359 --> 01:27:36.560
that thing. It's still Giant Bomb. I'm still Jeff Grubb. Ship wanted

1359
01:27:36.600 --> 01:27:44.800
me to deliver this just I just
I didn't want to make a big Thank

1360
01:27:44.840 --> 01:27:46.840
all the little people, all the
gamers out there that made this possible.

1361
01:27:47.359 --> 01:27:51.439
Thank you Mary for stealing it from
the Twitch offices. Ah damn shoot,

1362
01:27:53.239 --> 01:27:56.039
I'm decided to put together a good
catch this time. Everybody, let's make

1363
01:27:56.079 --> 01:27:58.359
it happen. We've got a great
crew with me. I'm still Jeff Grubb.

1364
01:27:58.640 --> 01:28:00.640
Here's Casper Bandi and everybody. How's
it going. It's going great,

1365
01:28:00.640 --> 01:28:02.840
man, Thanks for having me,
Thanks for being on you. I appreciate

1366
01:28:02.840 --> 01:28:06.119
it. Celia b Hi, thanks
for having me. We've got Dave.

1367
01:28:06.159 --> 01:28:10.319
How's it going, Kim? Yeah, we're we just announced their game so

1368
01:28:10.319 --> 01:28:12.880
feeling pretty great. Yeah, I
just played it. I had a good

1369
01:28:12.880 --> 01:28:14.880
time. I'm allowed to tell it. Tell people I played it right,

1370
01:28:15.640 --> 01:28:18.399
all right, ashta crawl with no
Ash. How's going good man, I'm

1371
01:28:18.399 --> 01:28:21.920
doing great. Dave Austrey, Hey, you doing hell? You guys are

1372
01:28:21.920 --> 01:28:25.359
gonna stand in the gimmick the whole
time. I love it. Not a

1373
01:28:25.399 --> 01:28:30.920
gimmick, everybody. Yeah, Trey
Pow, please don't use that baseball battle.

1374
01:28:30.880 --> 01:28:34.520
Yeah, I think. Okay,
I appreciate it. All right,

1375
01:28:34.640 --> 01:28:39.119
guess let's start with you. But
how's it been going like being here talking

1376
01:28:39.119 --> 01:28:42.640
about the game. It's been good. I've had the best time. I've

1377
01:28:42.680 --> 01:28:45.520
been waiting for years and always telling
Sony, you guys got to make a

1378
01:28:45.520 --> 01:28:49.439
Starship Troopers game, and so many
people do make, you know, star

1379
01:28:49.600 --> 01:28:53.920
Starship Troopers s games. They're very
cool. They're always fun to play.

1380
01:28:54.039 --> 01:28:58.920
It's always wonderful. But finally I've
got a team at All World that made

1381
01:28:58.920 --> 01:29:02.680
Starship Troopers Extermination. Yeah, and
it's got all the bugs. It's got

1382
01:29:02.680 --> 01:29:06.439
all the bugs from all five universes
in the films, and it's got all

1383
01:29:06.520 --> 01:29:10.920
these and they've added everything in more
armament, all the bugs, everything you

1384
01:29:10.960 --> 01:29:14.720
could think of all the little details. They asked me so many questions about

1385
01:29:14.720 --> 01:29:15.760
it, and they go, oh, we're gonna put that in. Oh

1386
01:29:15.760 --> 01:29:18.560
that's fine. That feels like the
difference here where it's like the previous games

1387
01:29:18.600 --> 01:29:21.199
were like we're gonna play in this
sandbox a little bit, and this one's

1388
01:29:21.239 --> 01:29:25.479
like we're gonna take those movies that
Casper was in and like try to like

1389
01:29:25.560 --> 01:29:28.079
represent them right. All the movies, even the ones I wasn't in that

1390
01:29:28.079 --> 01:29:30.840
were Starship Troopers. They did that, but they've they've added all these bugs

1391
01:29:30.840 --> 01:29:33.640
in, they've added new ones in, but they have attention to detail that

1392
01:29:33.720 --> 01:29:38.000
was just amazing. They also as
a company went out and watched rented a

1393
01:29:38.079 --> 01:29:42.079
movie theater watched our Ship Troopers before
I was even involved, and just got

1394
01:29:42.079 --> 01:29:44.359
into it. I get up there. They all have t shirts on the

1395
01:29:44.399 --> 01:29:45.720
games, the toys, and they
were like, we loved it this way.

1396
01:29:46.399 --> 01:29:50.560
The game developer, the head developer
watched it twice when he was a

1397
01:29:50.640 --> 01:29:56.359
kid, when he was sixteen,
and the main guy in charge of it,

1398
01:29:56.399 --> 01:30:00.439
Peter, he was he saw it
in French first and still still the

1399
01:30:00.439 --> 01:30:02.760
satire that's perfect. That's amazing.
That's the key thing that they understand that's

1400
01:30:02.800 --> 01:30:05.880
high level of difficulty there. Yes, absolutely I didn't get as a kid.

1401
01:30:05.880 --> 01:30:09.119
In these days. It's like all
I could think about is Startship Troopers.

1402
01:30:09.159 --> 01:30:11.479
I'll give a satire. It is
the satire now. Yeah, a

1403
01:30:11.479 --> 01:30:13.760
lot of the kids people didn't get
it when they were kids, but it's

1404
01:30:13.760 --> 01:30:16.279
something that's held because of what Paul
Verhoven and Ed Newmeyer were able to do

1405
01:30:16.319 --> 01:30:20.279
with their with their satire and their
uh they're just so intelligent, you know,

1406
01:30:20.359 --> 01:30:24.520
they're they're great filmmakers and I love
being a part of that. And

1407
01:30:24.680 --> 01:30:30.479
that's why I think it's still unfortunately
has the political uh you know, commentary

1408
01:30:30.520 --> 01:30:33.079
is still relevant today, maybe even
more so, maybe more so. Yeah,

1409
01:30:33.119 --> 01:30:35.960
but uh, you know that's the
good thing because this movie gets people

1410
01:30:36.000 --> 01:30:39.840
to talk from all sides, and
that's what we need to do. Starship

1411
01:30:39.840 --> 01:30:44.560
Troopers is always about inclusivity and getting
everybody long. And what I like is

1412
01:30:44.600 --> 01:30:47.000
the arc. And when I joined
Starship Troopers in the movie, I joined

1413
01:30:47.039 --> 01:30:50.520
too for a girl. This is
what we do and uh, and then

1414
01:30:50.520 --> 01:30:55.000
I became a great soldier or a
good soldier, and I followed the orders

1415
01:30:55.239 --> 01:30:59.840
and through the universe they had different
things happening. But now they've got in

1416
01:31:00.000 --> 01:31:02.560
Worship Troopers extermination. They have me
back as a general, and I still

1417
01:31:02.600 --> 01:31:04.439
want to get the mission. Dune's
the best, the best of what you

1418
01:31:04.439 --> 01:31:08.880
can do. But the thing that's
most important is the troopers. And it's

1419
01:31:08.920 --> 01:31:14.119
a sixteen player you know, it's
on all platforms, and you get sixteen

1420
01:31:14.159 --> 01:31:16.560
person shooter. You get to go
out there and you can work together and

1421
01:31:16.960 --> 01:31:19.199
help your team come back. You
want to get them all there. You'll

1422
01:31:19.199 --> 01:31:23.319
die in the process, but you'll
come back to another Trooper. There's so

1423
01:31:23.399 --> 01:31:27.479
many bugs, bug hoards they have, it's just unbelievable. I'm so excited

1424
01:31:27.520 --> 01:31:30.920
about it. If you can't tell, it's just a thrill to have the

1425
01:31:30.920 --> 01:31:33.960
honore of that they do for the
film and the and the and the game,

1426
01:31:34.000 --> 01:31:36.560
and the same thing that I feel
like they respect the gamers and the

1427
01:31:36.600 --> 01:31:40.560
movie people. Yeah. All The
one that's got to be nice is it

1428
01:31:40.600 --> 01:31:43.520
likes to work with someone that feels
like they fully comprehend what you guys were

1429
01:31:43.520 --> 01:31:45.840
trying to go for and respect your
work. So when when I read the

1430
01:31:45.840 --> 01:31:50.800
script, I went Ednumeier who wrote
RoboCop and Starship Troopers, and Paul Rohoven,

1431
01:31:50.800 --> 01:31:54.159
who directed both them. When I
read what they wrote, what we

1432
01:31:54.439 --> 01:31:58.479
wrote in this, I went,
he would be so impressed and so proud

1433
01:31:58.479 --> 01:32:00.159
of you. And Ed's one of
my best friends who was in my wedding

1434
01:32:00.199 --> 01:32:02.800
party. He's just somebody I've hung
out with. I've read all the Starships

1435
01:32:02.800 --> 01:32:06.000
Stroopers scripts that he's written, so
I've been around him a lot. I

1436
01:32:06.039 --> 01:32:10.359
mean, he's a highly intelligent man. Is a genius, I Q saying

1437
01:32:10.359 --> 01:32:14.359
with Verhoven. So they're just super
smart guys. But they they're funny,

1438
01:32:14.359 --> 01:32:17.079
and they have a dry sense of
humor. And the humor isn't in making

1439
01:32:17.079 --> 01:32:20.680
fun of people. It's in,
you know, making fun of you know

1440
01:32:21.079 --> 01:32:26.560
what we're willing to sacrifice. Yeah
yeah, yeah, the human condition,

1441
01:32:26.600 --> 01:32:30.760
And so that's always been it's it's
it's so wonderful that this is now being

1442
01:32:30.800 --> 01:32:34.880
done in a game with so much
reverence and respect. And I I was

1443
01:32:34.920 --> 01:32:38.920
just blown away because I when we
were doing Starship Troopers, I'm just shooting

1444
01:32:38.960 --> 01:32:42.479
dirt in the movie, I'm just
shooting out of dirt or balls on the

1445
01:32:42.479 --> 01:32:47.760
stick or Veroven going. But it's
Veroven impression I've ever heard. I can

1446
01:32:47.840 --> 01:32:50.840
do a good, good Verhoven.
But what happens is now you win this

1447
01:32:50.920 --> 01:32:55.520
game and you can see the world
that I you see the movie. You're

1448
01:32:55.560 --> 01:32:59.720
right in the movie right away,
and these bugs are batter than ever there.

1449
01:33:00.000 --> 01:33:02.399
It's so intense. So can I
ask you what's the what's the big

1450
01:33:02.399 --> 01:33:05.640
difference for you between working in the
video game space and working in in Hollywood

1451
01:33:05.640 --> 01:33:09.399
on movies, Like what what like? Is there a different skill set that

1452
01:33:09.439 --> 01:33:13.039
you bring or that you had to
learn, you know, for for movies

1453
01:33:13.079 --> 01:33:15.840
and uh, and then the game
for me, you know, I got

1454
01:33:15.840 --> 01:33:18.960
to the collaborative. Uh. You
know, the collaboration is still the most

1455
01:33:19.119 --> 01:33:24.079
key and important part of the process. And these guys were we go in

1456
01:33:24.119 --> 01:33:25.960
and we do the voice over what
they wrote, and then I go,

1457
01:33:26.000 --> 01:33:29.520
hey, what if I I improvise
some things as Johnny Ricos as I do

1458
01:33:29.720 --> 01:33:31.600
because my whole life, all I've
had is people yell at me and my

1459
01:33:31.680 --> 01:33:34.960
kids growing up with people just yelling
Starship Troopers quotes, going come on your

1460
01:33:34.960 --> 01:33:36.439
eggs, you want to live forever? And I'm like, yeah, I

1461
01:33:36.439 --> 01:33:40.560
want to live forever. And then
you know, and and so like I

1462
01:33:41.079 --> 01:33:44.319
just yelling things and that's great,
but try like this and then we did

1463
01:33:44.479 --> 01:33:45.800
we did all these other things.
So I had so much fun. I'm

1464
01:33:45.880 --> 01:33:49.600
I'm like a big kid in the
in the candy store with this. I

1465
01:33:49.640 --> 01:33:54.079
saw the trailer and I was blown
away and I was in awe of what

1466
01:33:54.119 --> 01:33:56.880
they did and for me to be
able to say that, I've been I've

1467
01:33:56.880 --> 01:33:59.680
been craving this. And when Starship
Troopers came out and we saw it,

1468
01:33:59.680 --> 01:34:01.960
I went, we need to make
that video game. And then Halo came

1469
01:34:01.960 --> 01:34:04.560
out and I was like, we
still need to make that video game.

1470
01:34:04.680 --> 01:34:10.199
And then your game game and I
was like, oh my god, you

1471
01:34:10.199 --> 01:34:13.119
said you were worked on a Starship
Troopers game. We were just talking about,

1472
01:34:13.159 --> 01:34:16.039
like how when I was in a
high school, star StarCraft came out,

1473
01:34:16.319 --> 01:34:19.920
Starship Troopers came out around the same
time, and they're like almost like

1474
01:34:20.000 --> 01:34:24.479
one to like similar type of game. Then it's similar, right, and

1475
01:34:24.520 --> 01:34:26.560
you know, and then so you
have all these things that are like it.

1476
01:34:26.600 --> 01:34:29.479
But then when I finally got to
do something that, I mean,

1477
01:34:29.800 --> 01:34:31.000
I love all of them. I'm
not in the gaming all of that,

1478
01:34:31.000 --> 01:34:33.520
and I think it's amazing. And
of course we need to have all these

1479
01:34:33.600 --> 01:34:38.680
kind of things, and the variety
is wonderful. But for me, I'm

1480
01:34:38.800 --> 01:34:41.960
fucking Johnny Rico man, and and
I wanted to kill some bugs, and

1481
01:34:42.000 --> 01:34:44.880
I wanted to be in the Starship
Troopers universe. And I'm back in it,

1482
01:34:45.000 --> 01:34:46.600
and anybody can be in it,
and I get to be in it

1483
01:34:46.720 --> 01:34:50.680
with you. I'm your general.
And I said more lines in this video

1484
01:34:50.720 --> 01:34:56.159
game than I did in Starship Troopers
one and Freak combined. Really, yeah,

1485
01:34:56.239 --> 01:34:59.920
that's actually impressive. Yeah yeah.
And so it's not just my lu

1486
01:35:00.279 --> 01:35:01.920
I'm going through. I'm in there
with them. I'm talking it out with

1487
01:35:02.000 --> 01:35:05.680
them, and I helped guide and
do things. And it feels like you

1488
01:35:05.720 --> 01:35:10.600
can see that I care about the
troops, and I really do. I

1489
01:35:10.640 --> 01:35:12.640
genuinely you, because people come up
to me and go, I joined the

1490
01:35:12.640 --> 01:35:14.840
military because of you, and I
go, well, I thank you for

1491
01:35:14.920 --> 01:35:19.079
your service and I'm sorry. And
the military love that. They have the

1492
01:35:19.119 --> 01:35:23.000
best sense of humor. But also
people go, I became an actor because

1493
01:35:23.039 --> 01:35:25.560
of that, or I became a
writer because of that, or you know,

1494
01:35:25.600 --> 01:35:28.159
I watched that with my dad.
That was the first movie. Was

1495
01:35:28.199 --> 01:35:30.520
the first movie I saw naked,
And I'm like, oh, yeah,

1496
01:35:30.560 --> 01:35:34.880
I get that a lot too.
Celia how's it been going for you here

1497
01:35:34.880 --> 01:35:40.560
at Summer Game Fest? Pretty fine, It's been a blast. Our presentation

1498
01:35:40.640 --> 01:35:44.720
isn't till the fourteenth, so it's
still a marathon as I'm trying to have

1499
01:35:44.800 --> 01:35:47.840
fun at the show, Like how
does that get decided? Like where you're

1500
01:35:47.880 --> 01:35:50.239
going to show your stuff? Like
it's got to be kind of like picking

1501
01:35:50.279 --> 01:35:55.279
yoursponse or like it was kind of
looking at the schedule and like seeing everyone

1502
01:35:55.399 --> 01:35:58.000
and like what they're doing, and
it's like, well, what is the

1503
01:35:58.000 --> 01:36:00.520
most convenient still in the block,
but also gives me more time to edit

1504
01:36:00.800 --> 01:36:04.239
the whole presentation, right, and
the fourteenth is it? So there we

1505
01:36:04.279 --> 01:36:09.079
go. But yeah, we're really
excited. I'm speaking the presentation. It

1506
01:36:09.159 --> 01:36:13.079
is Shovel Night's tenth anniversary. Wow, I Rother, I didn't introduce myself.

1507
01:36:13.119 --> 01:36:15.159
I'm the marketing director for Yacht Club
Games. We're the creators of shovel

1508
01:36:15.239 --> 01:36:18.680
Night, and yeah, this year
is really exciting for us. So in

1509
01:36:18.720 --> 01:36:24.359
the presentation, we're gonna be talking
about shovel Night, our experience so far,

1510
01:36:24.760 --> 01:36:27.600
and we have a ton of really
cool announcements that we're going to be

1511
01:36:28.279 --> 01:36:30.359
showing off. Yeah, it's you
guys have really really stuck this game,

1512
01:36:30.520 --> 01:36:32.600
because it seems like the players have
stuck with it, right, Like,

1513
01:36:32.680 --> 01:36:35.439
yeah, just keep showing up for
it, so kind of encourage you guys

1514
01:36:35.439 --> 01:36:38.760
to keep coming back to it.
Yeah, Like, we plan to make

1515
01:36:38.800 --> 01:36:43.520
Shovel Night games for like as long
as we can the hands can make it.

1516
01:36:44.239 --> 01:36:47.800
Yeah, we've always envisioned it as
an all encompassing franchise and we're really

1517
01:36:47.880 --> 01:36:53.119
excited to share what we have on
the horizon. But basically spoiler alert,

1518
01:36:53.199 --> 01:36:56.640
we plan to make Shovel Night games
forever and ever. But besides that,

1519
01:36:56.720 --> 01:36:59.880
we also have our new ip Mina
the Hollower. Yeah, yeah, La

1520
01:37:00.079 --> 01:37:02.079
Facts. We shared some stuff with
you on that. It's a very good

1521
01:37:02.119 --> 01:37:05.560
game, my wheelhouse. It is
so cool. It's our love letter to

1522
01:37:05.560 --> 01:37:09.560
the Game Boy color. I think
it's funny because like Shovel Knight is like

1523
01:37:09.720 --> 01:37:13.399
using Nintendo terms is like our Mario
and Me and I as Riselda. Yep.

1524
01:37:13.560 --> 01:37:16.279
So I'm so excited to share that
with you guys. Soon we'll have

1525
01:37:16.319 --> 01:37:23.199
some updates wonder when. Yeah,
but it'll be fun. So you kind

1526
01:37:23.199 --> 01:37:26.239
of hear you're like you said it's
a marathon. Are you just like hanging

1527
01:37:26.239 --> 01:37:29.359
out with friends talking to people.
Are you also doing work up until the

1528
01:37:29.359 --> 01:37:32.359
fourteenth, So I've doing some work, having some meetings, you know,

1529
01:37:32.600 --> 01:37:35.680
but like still trying to have fun. There's so many cool games like on

1530
01:37:35.720 --> 01:37:39.880
the show floor and like at events, and it's fun to hang out with

1531
01:37:39.920 --> 01:37:43.520
everyone and like catch up. It's
been a little bit now that you know,

1532
01:37:44.239 --> 01:37:46.439
for real, It's like it's people
seem more willing to come out to

1533
01:37:46.439 --> 01:37:49.079
this event than they have in the
last several years. It's like, does

1534
01:37:49.159 --> 01:37:51.399
feel like I really clicked in the
place this year? Yeah? It feel

1535
01:37:51.600 --> 01:37:55.520
yeah, I really feel like that. Like it's very reminiscent of the before

1536
01:37:55.560 --> 01:37:58.479
times, which is weird to say, but like you know, back for

1537
01:37:58.560 --> 01:38:01.279
you know, prea COVID era.
So it's it's been nice to catch up,

1538
01:38:02.079 --> 01:38:04.920
Dave. You guys finally got the
show off your game? What that

1539
01:38:04.960 --> 01:38:09.960
feel like? Oh? Yeah,
pretty exciting, right, Like I can't

1540
01:38:09.960 --> 01:38:13.399
remember what exactly we talked about the
last time we were here. Yeah,

1541
01:38:14.560 --> 01:38:17.760
I remember we talked about our vision, what we're trying to do exactly,

1542
01:38:17.760 --> 01:38:23.119
et cetera. Right, But what
makes this really special is we've been working

1543
01:38:23.239 --> 01:38:26.199
three years for kind of this moment, right, and it's everything starts from

1544
01:38:26.199 --> 01:38:29.159
the announcement onwards. Right now,
we're starting our beta in three weeks,

1545
01:38:29.680 --> 01:38:31.439
and then hopefully, depending on how
that goes, we can look at open

1546
01:38:31.520 --> 01:38:36.319
beta and to release super exciting stuff, right, because I've been wanting to

1547
01:38:36.359 --> 01:38:40.520
work on something like this for like
the last like ten years or something.

1548
01:38:40.600 --> 01:38:43.720
Right. Yeah, So, when
I was working on StarCraft two, one

1549
01:38:43.760 --> 01:38:47.399
of my kind of biggest I guess
issues within kind of myself was like,

1550
01:38:47.960 --> 01:38:51.520
man, this is such an amazing
game, Like it's still my favorite game

1551
01:38:51.600 --> 01:38:57.359
of all time out of all the
games that are released, because ours hasn't.

1552
01:38:57.560 --> 01:39:00.359
Yeah, But the problem with it, I think, at least in

1553
01:39:00.399 --> 01:39:05.640
my head, was it's such a
shame that normal gamers can never enjoy the

1554
01:39:05.680 --> 01:39:11.840
core fund of this game because of
the struggle of how difficult it is to

1555
01:39:11.920 --> 01:39:15.159
even get to the fund and what
I mean by that. Yeah, Right,

1556
01:39:15.880 --> 01:39:20.560
So I strongly believe the core fund
of Arts is something like the strategizing

1557
01:39:20.600 --> 01:39:25.800
the army versus army battle. I'm
the army commander action things like these,

1558
01:39:25.880 --> 01:39:29.600
right, But in order to even
have an army versus army fight, you

1559
01:39:29.680 --> 01:39:32.680
got to practice like these kind of
tedious clicks over like you have to build

1560
01:39:32.760 --> 01:39:36.560
one worker from every base that you
have once every twelve seconds. You got

1561
01:39:36.560 --> 01:39:41.520
to build a supply depot once every
second. Like, there's just so much

1562
01:39:41.560 --> 01:39:45.640
to do, right, So if
someone new plays a game like this,

1563
01:39:45.760 --> 01:39:48.239
they have to practice for like six
months or years and then they can experience

1564
01:39:48.279 --> 01:39:51.600
the core fund. So the dream
has always been, can we make an

1565
01:39:51.720 --> 01:39:58.359
RTS game that players can play and
then within a matter of one or two

1566
01:39:58.399 --> 01:40:01.960
games they can experience that army versus
army fights as well as like strategizing.

1567
01:40:02.039 --> 01:40:06.680
So like we had I believe his
name was Drew playing today, So I

1568
01:40:06.720 --> 01:40:11.079
believe he was like twenty four years
old or something like that. So he's

1569
01:40:11.079 --> 01:40:14.119
never played arts before, right,
he sits down, plays the game.

1570
01:40:14.560 --> 01:40:16.920
After the first game, he's getting
all the basics down, right, He's

1571
01:40:17.479 --> 01:40:21.079
building a massive army having big battles. So I wanted to test, like,

1572
01:40:21.319 --> 01:40:26.920
hey, can you try like building
these butterflies that are good at killing

1573
01:40:26.960 --> 01:40:29.560
workers? So he built a few, and then I asked him to like

1574
01:40:29.600 --> 01:40:31.840
send it around to the back,
right, and then as he's harassing the

1575
01:40:31.880 --> 01:40:34.760
workers, I told him to attack
with your main army. And then he's

1576
01:40:34.800 --> 01:40:38.680
doing like this two prong attack.
Right. But this is like in like

1577
01:40:38.720 --> 01:40:45.079
StarCraft or any traditional artists terms like
quite like like only the like the more

1578
01:40:45.199 --> 01:40:47.840
experienced players can do something like this, right, yeah, right, but

1579
01:40:47.880 --> 01:40:51.920
he's doing it in his second game
ever of playing any arts ever. Right,

1580
01:40:53.000 --> 01:40:55.720
So and then we see a lot
of these examples in new players.

1581
01:40:56.039 --> 01:40:59.640
So just this moment is really really
cool kind of thing, right, and

1582
01:40:59.680 --> 01:41:03.199
I'm top of that. We are
a full remote studio, but we have

1583
01:41:03.319 --> 01:41:08.960
kind of team meetups twice a year, and we aligned the whole team to

1584
01:41:09.000 --> 01:41:12.319
be here for a team meetup at
the same time as an announcement, So

1585
01:41:12.840 --> 01:41:15.279
our whole team was in the crowd
watching the announcement and then seeing like those

1586
01:41:15.359 --> 01:41:19.319
the cinematics, hearing the music,
the audio, and then seeing the gameplay

1587
01:41:19.319 --> 01:41:25.840
footage like that was like the like
such an unbelievable experience. Yeah, like

1588
01:41:25.880 --> 01:41:28.439
the milestone you've been waiting for for
a long time. It has been right,

1589
01:41:28.520 --> 01:41:31.439
Yes, absolutely, and so cathartic
or like also invigorating. Now you

1590
01:41:31.680 --> 01:41:33.640
got to get back to work,
is that kind of where we're at now?

1591
01:41:33.760 --> 01:41:38.800
Absolutely? Yeah, just last yesterday's
dinner time, like everyone's just joking

1592
01:41:38.800 --> 01:41:41.600
about, like, okay, now
we just have this massive amount of work

1593
01:41:41.600 --> 01:41:45.359
to do so, but we're all
feeling very happy about it, right,

1594
01:41:45.399 --> 01:41:49.039
because one of the things that we
strongly believe in is we really believe,

1595
01:41:49.159 --> 01:41:53.279
at the end of the day,
making a great game, such as what

1596
01:41:53.319 --> 01:41:58.319
we're trying to do here, it
really comes down to experts in their area

1597
01:41:58.319 --> 01:42:01.720
of expertise doing the best job that
they can, and each of these disciplines

1598
01:42:01.760 --> 01:42:06.439
coming together and then we can do
something cool. Right. And I really

1599
01:42:06.479 --> 01:42:13.640
believe that I haven't seen such a
high ratio of very talented, passionate,

1600
01:42:13.720 --> 01:42:17.119
dedicated individuals that work super hard on
their area of expertise, even if it

1601
01:42:17.159 --> 01:42:21.239
doesn't show that well to the public, Like this ratio is so high,

1602
01:42:21.359 --> 01:42:24.920
and I really believe this is how
we were able to even get to this

1603
01:42:24.960 --> 01:42:27.640
spot in the first place. Yeah, it seems like the kind of thing

1604
01:42:27.640 --> 01:42:30.319
where when I when I saw it, when you showed it to me,

1605
01:42:30.319 --> 01:42:32.520
and now I've played it, you
can notice it's like, oh, everyone

1606
01:42:32.640 --> 01:42:35.319
is just hitting that high level.
The heart is so good, the animation

1607
01:42:35.399 --> 01:42:39.560
is so good, the interface is
very easy to understand, and it's like

1608
01:42:39.600 --> 01:42:43.199
that only happens when most of the
work has happened behind the scenes. And

1609
01:42:43.199 --> 01:42:46.000
now I could sit down and enjoy
the felt today. Yeah, yeah,

1610
01:42:46.039 --> 01:42:50.439
what what what happens now? Like
the beta in a couple of weeks you

1611
01:42:50.479 --> 01:42:54.479
said, was there like a chance? Was there an opportunity to get the

1612
01:42:54.520 --> 01:42:56.880
beta closer to this moment or has
this always been the plan? Like we

1613
01:42:56.880 --> 01:42:59.960
want to have a little breather.
Yeah, So surprisingly, we were all

1614
01:43:00.199 --> 01:43:04.000
kind of surprised because the day we
started, we were supposed to give like

1615
01:43:04.079 --> 01:43:08.680
some rough outline of our schedule,
right, and then this was actually the

1616
01:43:08.680 --> 01:43:12.920
schedule that we submitted, But we
submitted that saying something like, yeah,

1617
01:43:12.920 --> 01:43:15.439
but when do games ever hit the
deadlines that you said on day one?

1618
01:43:15.520 --> 01:43:18.720
Kind of thing right? And then
the head of the company, head of

1619
01:43:18.760 --> 01:43:21.399
light Speed, Jerry, he told
us something like, oh, yeah,

1620
01:43:21.439 --> 01:43:25.840
I completely understand there's no way you're
going to hit that, but it's okay,

1621
01:43:25.920 --> 01:43:28.520
right, right, you missed it
by six months, eight months or

1622
01:43:28.560 --> 01:43:31.000
whatever, it's all good, but
don't miss it by like three years kind

1623
01:43:31.039 --> 01:43:33.640
of thing right. But sitting here
today, are like, wait, how

1624
01:43:33.640 --> 01:43:36.399
do we do it in the exact
time that we planned out? Kind of

1625
01:43:36.439 --> 01:43:41.520
thing right? It was ash right, Yeah, I will say this.

1626
01:43:41.720 --> 01:43:45.840
The entire team came and it was
incredible to see that the publishing team was

1627
01:43:45.920 --> 01:43:47.760
also there, but they weren't actually
after the theater because they were turning on

1628
01:43:48.159 --> 01:43:53.720
all of the amazing assets that we
saw the website playbattleces dot com please check

1629
01:43:53.800 --> 01:43:57.920
it out, all of our content
assets to actually show off the incredible work

1630
01:43:57.960 --> 01:44:00.960
that the development team has been doing
for years to get to this moment,

1631
01:44:00.319 --> 01:44:04.359
and it really it shows really well
about that vision that we had talked about

1632
01:44:04.399 --> 01:44:06.319
last time we were here a little
bit, you know, the the NBA

1633
01:44:06.439 --> 01:44:11.479
jam of arts games, the ability
to actually provide something that you can onboard

1634
01:44:11.479 --> 01:44:15.039
new users into playing in this but
also maybe you know, those that are

1635
01:44:15.159 --> 01:44:17.840
veterans of arts can also enjoy,
those who play MOBA can enjoy, those

1636
01:44:17.840 --> 01:44:21.039
that play other general strategy games it
can enjoy. And I think this was

1637
01:44:21.079 --> 01:44:26.439
a great moment for the entire team
to be able to showcase the incredible work

1638
01:44:26.479 --> 01:44:30.520
and also in an amazing short period
of time from a development perspective, with

1639
01:44:30.760 --> 01:44:33.840
the level of expertise that David's talking
about that everybody had kind of been working

1640
01:44:33.840 --> 01:44:38.359
towards this moment. So it's been
a huge, awesome weekend. This is

1641
01:44:38.399 --> 01:44:41.239
just the beginning of our journey and
you know, we're going to have some

1642
01:44:41.279 --> 01:44:44.119
people joining our beta pretty soon here
in a couple of weeks, and we

1643
01:44:44.119 --> 01:44:48.439
can't wait for absolutely y yeah,
Dave, Yeah, you're doing. What

1644
01:44:48.479 --> 01:44:51.039
do you guys got for us?
What's happening over here? What's happening over

1645
01:44:51.039 --> 01:44:57.000
here? What's happening with you?
Johnny Rico, Jersey, Johnny Rico.

1646
01:44:57.359 --> 01:45:00.000
I like that. We got Falling
Aces. It's coming out soon tomorrow.

1647
01:45:00.079 --> 01:45:02.920
You're gonna get a look. We're
gonna announce the release date at that their

1648
01:45:02.960 --> 01:45:08.239
PC gaming show. It's happening tomorrow
after the Xbox thing, before the Xbox

1649
01:45:08.239 --> 01:45:12.560
thing. I don't fucking know.
So we're gonna have a new trailer the

1650
01:45:12.600 --> 01:45:15.560
release date, and the release date's
gonna be really soon. But I don't,

1651
01:45:15.600 --> 01:45:16.720
you know, I'm just I'm I'm
just a little This guy is the

1652
01:45:16.760 --> 01:45:19.359
boss. This guy actually makes the
game, and when he's not around them

1653
01:45:19.439 --> 01:45:23.920
usually going where's the boss? And
the boss need anything? So, how

1654
01:45:23.960 --> 01:45:26.800
you doing boss? He's okay,
I'm doing good. I'm doing good.

1655
01:45:27.239 --> 01:45:30.279
Yeah. You know, we've been
putting a lot of work into this game.

1656
01:45:30.399 --> 01:45:32.880
Uh, you know, it's been
a long time coming, uh looking

1657
01:45:32.880 --> 01:45:38.319
forward to it. Uh, and
you know they're gonna have to wait very

1658
01:45:38.319 --> 01:45:41.359
long. Uh we can't. We
can't spoil it, but it's it's gonna

1659
01:45:41.399 --> 01:45:45.000
be pretty soon. It's gonna be
pretty soon. People gonna soon. Yeah,

1660
01:45:45.039 --> 01:45:47.279
okay, all right, okay,
you guys have been on a little

1661
01:45:47.319 --> 01:45:49.720
bit of it. You've got Yeah, they're pretty sure. I dressed too.

1662
01:45:56.600 --> 01:46:01.520
They don't wear suits here, Hollywood
money like you. Yeah, showed

1663
01:46:01.520 --> 01:46:06.640
you up a little bit. Yeah, the three piece Yeah exactly. Yeah,

1664
01:46:08.479 --> 01:46:15.600
my bug killed Tile counted on this. I think you guys would appreciate

1665
01:46:15.680 --> 01:46:17.079
that. I like it. I
like it a lot. I know you

1666
01:46:17.479 --> 01:46:19.119
guys have been on a little bit
of a tour, right, Like,

1667
01:46:19.159 --> 01:46:23.079
guys been showing this stuff off.
How's the response been. It's been great.

1668
01:46:23.119 --> 01:46:25.239
I mean, everybody's been loving it. It's uh, you know,

1669
01:46:25.239 --> 01:46:27.439
what's not to like? You get
to I mean other than the fact that

1670
01:46:27.479 --> 01:46:29.800
you get to beat up goons,
you know, not our gag. We're

1671
01:46:29.840 --> 01:46:31.159
on top, right, so you
beat them with the other gangs goons.

1672
01:46:31.319 --> 01:46:33.640
So it's you know, fall.
This is the game wins if you haven't

1673
01:46:33.640 --> 01:46:36.359
seen, it's the comic book style
brawl, the first person shoot away.

1674
01:46:36.359 --> 01:46:40.239
Everything is the weapon and you can
pick up like all these fucking ship in

1675
01:46:40.279 --> 01:46:42.800
the game. You could pick it
up and throw that clock, that lamp,

1676
01:46:42.840 --> 01:46:45.319
that play you can beat people over
the head. But right there in

1677
01:46:45.319 --> 01:46:47.640
the Book of the Dead, Yeah, Nick, and I'm a congo bob

1678
01:46:47.720 --> 01:46:51.520
whatever you call it. Yeah,
you can use pipes, We got fats,

1679
01:46:51.560 --> 01:46:54.760
of course, you got Tommy guns
and stuff like that. You could

1680
01:46:54.840 --> 01:46:58.039
use all this to pretty much tear
the city apart. And you know,

1681
01:46:58.079 --> 01:47:00.800
it's a detective story and you got
to, uh, you know, you

1682
01:47:00.840 --> 01:47:02.359
got to figure out what's going on. And while you're doing that, you're

1683
01:47:02.359 --> 01:47:04.960
gonna have to beat this shit out
of a lot of guys. Got good,

1684
01:47:05.760 --> 01:47:10.960
Dave, you're thinking about beating people
up up publicly. Uh, you

1685
01:47:11.000 --> 01:47:15.119
did do that excellent billboard. But
putting the industry in its place, I

1686
01:47:15.159 --> 01:47:16.319
didn't put nobody in his place,
was just it was a nice tribute,

1687
01:47:16.399 --> 01:47:18.960
right. We gotta we have a
lot of friends that work. We got

1688
01:47:18.960 --> 01:47:21.279
a lot of friends that work in
a lot of studios that have been shut

1689
01:47:21.319 --> 01:47:25.159
down, a lot of friends that
have been laid off or made redundant.

1690
01:47:25.439 --> 01:47:27.880
And you know, we had this
opportunity to put a big billboard up in

1691
01:47:27.880 --> 01:47:30.560
the middle of Summer games Fest and
we're thinking, should we do an ad

1692
01:47:30.600 --> 01:47:32.199
for one of our games? Nah? Funck that we hate money and we

1693
01:47:32.239 --> 01:47:35.199
love our friends. So I wanted
to do a tribute to all the studios

1694
01:47:35.199 --> 01:47:38.880
that have closed out, everybody that's
been laid off. And if anybody had

1695
01:47:38.880 --> 01:47:42.600
seen that billboard, whether it's the
executives or people who just following everything,

1696
01:47:42.640 --> 01:47:45.359
I want them to know those devs
are making new games. Those devs are

1697
01:47:45.359 --> 01:47:47.960
looking for new jobs, and you
should fucking hire them. Yeah you want?

1698
01:47:48.079 --> 01:47:53.600
I want these people to stay in
games, right, Kate Austin Roll

1699
01:47:53.760 --> 01:47:58.800
seven, come on? Yeah?
Yeah? I like your gang. Yeah,

1700
01:47:58.920 --> 01:48:00.079
I like your gang a lot.
You guys are cool. I mean

1701
01:48:00.079 --> 01:48:04.000
we're no Rico's roughnecks. You guys
are welcome the rough necks any day.

1702
01:48:04.159 --> 01:48:10.840
We need more cannon fodder. So
okay, so you guys can't sl the

1703
01:48:10.920 --> 01:48:15.279
date. I understand that. But
like Zone Soon Soon whole episode one?

1704
01:48:15.399 --> 01:48:18.359
Early access cool? Early access?
Yeah, how do you guys come to

1705
01:48:18.359 --> 01:48:21.239
that decision? I think I love
we say early access for most of our

1706
01:48:21.239 --> 01:48:25.039
games. So if you're familiar with
other games like Dusk a Medieval ultra Kill,

1707
01:48:25.119 --> 01:48:27.880
stuff like that, you know early
access works really well for us.

1708
01:48:27.920 --> 01:48:30.760
Because we get to build the games
with our players and their episodics, so

1709
01:48:30.760 --> 01:48:32.800
we get to polish it, release
new stuff, polish that you know,

1710
01:48:32.880 --> 01:48:36.319
do features based on their feedback,
and it's just a really great way to

1711
01:48:36.359 --> 01:48:40.479
develop games. Yeah, and it's
seems like there's a certain type of player

1712
01:48:40.479 --> 01:48:43.720
that is like very down with early
access, well because they're buying in you

1713
01:48:43.760 --> 01:48:45.800
know, they want to help the
game. So the people that buy early

1714
01:48:45.840 --> 01:48:48.439
access, those are the people who
care about your game the most, and

1715
01:48:48.479 --> 01:48:51.760
we always reward them because the price
is always cheaper in early access, So

1716
01:48:53.000 --> 01:48:55.760
like you know, they're they're the
best players, and they're the ones we

1717
01:48:55.760 --> 01:48:58.239
build the games. By the time
the game comes out, you've got a

1718
01:48:58.279 --> 01:49:00.359
huge player base of people who are
invested. Then your game's good because you've

1719
01:49:00.399 --> 01:49:03.239
been working with them to fix all
the problems and give them all the stuff

1720
01:49:03.239 --> 01:49:06.720
they've wanted for years at that point. So it's a it's a good way

1721
01:49:06.720 --> 01:49:09.840
to do business. Is that something
that sounds good to you, Tray where

1722
01:49:09.840 --> 01:49:12.119
you're like, okay, we get
to yeah, absolutely, I mean,

1723
01:49:12.399 --> 01:49:14.479
like you know, you get the
game earlier, you get it cheaper,

1724
01:49:15.439 --> 01:49:18.760
and like you know, we like
to listen to a lot of feedback from

1725
01:49:18.920 --> 01:49:23.039
players. You know, it's very
important to you know, kind of balance

1726
01:49:23.039 --> 01:49:27.720
out your game and understand what players
want from from the game, you know,

1727
01:49:28.079 --> 01:49:30.880
so we take that feedback and we
make it better. So it's very

1728
01:49:30.880 --> 01:49:38.439
important to us. Yeah, So, Celia, when you have multiple games

1729
01:49:38.479 --> 01:49:42.520
in the works and then you have
fans also coming at you with ideas of

1730
01:49:42.520 --> 01:49:45.760
what they want, is it frustrated
to be like, just just let us

1731
01:49:45.800 --> 01:49:47.520
work on these few games, let
us get that out the door, and

1732
01:49:47.560 --> 01:49:50.319
then maybe we could talk about doing
the next dream project or is it like

1733
01:49:50.880 --> 01:49:54.680
you guys do start working on stuff
maybe a little bit more than you should.

1734
01:49:54.720 --> 01:49:57.800
L Right, how do you guys
manage that? So just for full

1735
01:49:57.880 --> 01:50:01.000
count, we are working on Mean
and the Hallow, We are working on

1736
01:50:01.640 --> 01:50:06.359
Chevel Knight, Poka Dungeons DLC,
Cheval Knight Digs DLC, and you know

1737
01:50:06.399 --> 01:50:12.239
whatever else is on the horizon find
out June fourteenth games. Okay, anyways,

1738
01:50:13.239 --> 01:50:15.319
So for that, I don't know. It's kind of those things that,

1739
01:50:15.439 --> 01:50:18.880
like, our community is extremely passionate
and so are we, So they're

1740
01:50:18.880 --> 01:50:21.640
getting pumped about stuff. You know, how many times, like one of

1741
01:50:21.680 --> 01:50:26.119
our teammates will post a doc of
a game that he thought of, and

1742
01:50:26.119 --> 01:50:29.359
then we all decide to take time
out of our workday to go pitch ideas

1743
01:50:29.399 --> 01:50:32.159
for this imaginary game may or may
not be making in the future. It

1744
01:50:32.199 --> 01:50:36.319
happens a lot. I've done it
myself, and so it's kind of those

1745
01:50:36.319 --> 01:50:42.800
things where I'm it's okay to be
excited. I think it's fantastic, and

1746
01:50:43.039 --> 01:50:46.239
like our enthusiasm is right there with
them. And obviously we're working on CENTERP

1747
01:50:46.239 --> 01:50:50.800
projects as once as well, So
yeah, we're soaked. But also yeah,

1748
01:50:50.920 --> 01:50:57.399
everyone be a you patient and you
I mean you're an indie studio and

1749
01:50:58.000 --> 01:51:01.039
also a multi team like the studio
as well, Like you have multiple projects

1750
01:51:01.079 --> 01:51:04.800
going at once. How do you
manage that? You know, that's a

1751
01:51:04.800 --> 01:51:11.800
good question. I'm coffee. I'm
there's this really tasty noodle spot on the

1752
01:51:11.840 --> 01:51:15.479
office's street. It's called Killer Nattle. It's delicious. I'm Besides that,

1753
01:51:15.560 --> 01:51:17.079
I don't know a lot of hope
and dreams. We clicker heels. You

1754
01:51:17.119 --> 01:51:20.880
know, are there people who are
dedicated to one project or it is so

1755
01:51:21.000 --> 01:51:25.479
we have I'm multiple teams. Okay, So keep in mind when people like

1756
01:51:25.600 --> 01:51:29.319
picture yacht club games, they tend
to picture like a huge studio. We

1757
01:51:29.399 --> 01:51:31.760
are about twenty people, right like, that is it, and that's counting

1758
01:51:32.000 --> 01:51:35.520
marketing which is me, and then
pr which is also me, and the

1759
01:51:35.800 --> 01:51:40.439
like accounting like in all the teams
and everything, the sort of QWA included,

1760
01:51:40.920 --> 01:51:44.159
I'm so for that. We have
an internal team that's focused on MINA.

1761
01:51:44.520 --> 01:51:47.520
We have an internal team that's focused
on redacted statement check out June fourteen,

1762
01:51:48.159 --> 01:51:53.279
and then we have we're also working
with our partners at Nitrum to work

1763
01:51:53.279 --> 01:51:57.119
on digs. So if everyone like
has their hand in everything and we're just

1764
01:51:57.439 --> 01:52:00.079
we're as going as a well oiled
machine, and the this like it feels

1765
01:52:00.119 --> 01:52:02.760
good, right like to have this
many projects going on. It does.

1766
01:52:03.079 --> 01:52:06.199
It's a little bit like you know, it's just you're keeping with the pace.

1767
01:52:06.279 --> 01:52:09.600
It's a marathon, so you know, no one wants, you know,

1768
01:52:09.960 --> 01:52:13.079
the focus on everything is that you
know, though we have our hands

1769
01:52:13.119 --> 01:52:15.399
full, you're not working too much. And like what's cool about our team

1770
01:52:15.479 --> 01:52:18.399
is that we're really close knit,
so we're all helping each other out.

1771
01:52:18.479 --> 01:52:21.399
So it's not it's never too much
work, but it is a little bit

1772
01:52:21.439 --> 01:52:25.159
of wearing multiple hats, David,
as you guys ever, feel like you

1773
01:52:25.159 --> 01:52:27.720
wish you had multiple pokers in the
fire or you're happy to just have your

1774
01:52:27.720 --> 01:52:31.359
focus on battle ass. Yeah,
are kind of our hope is we want

1775
01:52:31.439 --> 01:52:34.319
to tackle one problem at a time
kind of thing, right, because everyone

1776
01:52:34.319 --> 01:52:38.720
knows making a game is so hard, making a great game is even harder,

1777
01:52:38.800 --> 01:52:41.840
like closely impossible kind of thing,
right, So that's why we want

1778
01:52:41.840 --> 01:52:44.920
to keep the scope focused. But
one other thing I wanted to say though,

1779
01:52:45.079 --> 01:52:48.439
was I really believe we have a
very unique art style that's very cool.

1780
01:52:48.680 --> 01:52:54.840
As many players I've seen in are
cinematic, but so like the fantasy

1781
01:52:55.039 --> 01:52:58.680
is you are the battle ace inside
the core, commanding all the drones,

1782
01:52:58.760 --> 01:53:01.600
right. And what's one of the
things that's very unique about our art style

1783
01:53:01.760 --> 01:53:05.560
is there's a lot of like different
types of bugs, like dragonflies are in

1784
01:53:05.640 --> 01:53:13.760
the cinematic, wasps are in the
cinematic. We have hornets like Etcone to

1785
01:53:13.760 --> 01:53:16.720
say, take it in. So
it feels like it's the first artist that

1786
01:53:16.800 --> 01:53:26.119
Casper can play. Yeah. So
when you guys have this vision of getting

1787
01:53:26.159 --> 01:53:30.079
new players in there, has the
response so far been I see that vision

1788
01:53:30.279 --> 01:53:32.439
just from what you've shown, or
do you think it is going to take

1789
01:53:32.439 --> 01:53:35.560
people getting their hands on it.
There's obviously a bridge they need to happen

1790
01:53:35.600 --> 01:53:39.560
there, right. Yeah, I
think it's just been really positive from the

1791
01:53:39.600 --> 01:53:41.920
feedback that we're seeing so far.
But what's been really cool is a lot

1792
01:53:41.920 --> 01:53:45.159
of people sending feedback in that this
might be an rts that they might try

1793
01:53:45.359 --> 01:53:47.880
that you know, some of them
either have fallen off from playing it from

1794
01:53:47.920 --> 01:53:50.600
the past, or those saying that, you know, this is something that

1795
01:53:50.600 --> 01:53:54.640
they couldn't have gotten into before,
but it felt like this is something they

1796
01:53:54.640 --> 01:53:56.920
could actually try for the first time. And I think that's kind of our

1797
01:53:57.000 --> 01:54:00.359
vision and our goal of trying to
make sure that those are about some of

1798
01:54:00.359 --> 01:54:02.039
the community members that we kind of
bring on board, but also those that

1799
01:54:02.079 --> 01:54:04.479
have played in the past. But
one thing I'll say is this too is

1800
01:54:04.479 --> 01:54:09.199
if you look at the arts genre, it kind of had a let's say,

1801
01:54:09.640 --> 01:54:13.560
a cap that while there was very
big with something like StarCraft two previously,

1802
01:54:13.840 --> 01:54:16.039
but there's also you know, hundreds
of millions of players that play things

1803
01:54:16.079 --> 01:54:21.319
like mobile or other games and larger
broader strategy game and I think that this

1804
01:54:21.359 --> 01:54:26.520
game is poised to actually be the
one that can bridge some of those communities

1805
01:54:26.520 --> 01:54:30.600
together and honestly, with the innovation
that has been done in both uy and

1806
01:54:30.640 --> 01:54:33.359
control make it feel like something that
they can get into that's familiar, but

1807
01:54:33.399 --> 01:54:36.479
also for all those core, you
know, veteran arts players, something they

1808
01:54:36.479 --> 01:54:40.359
can still sink their teeth into and
then really get into. So that's really

1809
01:54:40.399 --> 01:54:42.840
awesome. And I do love the
theme. You know, we are battle

1810
01:54:42.880 --> 01:54:51.199
Laces and it seems like there's a
fallen aces. We got to come help

1811
01:54:51.239 --> 01:54:57.199
each other. Yeah, kill them
all. That was that's fun. I

1812
01:54:57.319 --> 01:55:00.560
like when you say that that's a
good time, Casper, that you've had

1813
01:55:00.600 --> 01:55:03.920
this this very positive experience. It
seems like with Extraction, do you envision

1814
01:55:03.960 --> 01:55:08.199
of world where you're like, maybe
I can branch out to other video game

1815
01:55:08.239 --> 01:55:10.680
projects. I would. I would
always love it. I mean I love

1816
01:55:11.359 --> 01:55:15.359
my daughter's really into it and it's
a it's an incredible world, and especially

1817
01:55:15.000 --> 01:55:18.000
with my I mean with the way
everybody's speaking here, it's so beautiful.

1818
01:55:18.239 --> 01:55:23.439
And to see that kind of community
and just the way they're fully in character

1819
01:55:23.560 --> 01:55:30.680
and character right, I mean like
selling character, like their character right,

1820
01:55:30.760 --> 01:55:35.720
good character, right. I like
that. But the community that they created,

1821
01:55:36.000 --> 01:55:39.840
honoring a film that has always been
something I've dreamed about you know,

1822
01:55:39.920 --> 01:55:43.439
having that come in is just amazing. And they got this new technology using

1823
01:55:43.520 --> 01:55:45.439
carnage where all the bugs when they
die, they're going to stay there and

1824
01:55:45.479 --> 01:55:48.119
you can crawl on top of them. They used it to crawl over and

1825
01:55:48.159 --> 01:55:51.119
get it in, so it's like
you can dig through them, you can

1826
01:55:51.119 --> 01:55:55.000
get them all fall down on.
Yeah, they have it and it's there,

1827
01:55:55.039 --> 01:55:57.800
and it's there the whole time,
and there's blood splatters there and they

1828
01:55:57.840 --> 01:56:00.439
stay, they don't disappear. It's
so fun, it's so cool. I'm

1829
01:56:00.479 --> 01:56:03.640
like, I cannot tell you how
excited him about this game. And I'm

1830
01:56:03.640 --> 01:56:06.600
not supposed to tell everything, but
there's even there's a there's a shovel in

1831
01:56:06.640 --> 01:56:11.359
Starship Troopers three in the movie that
you know, not everybody saw, but

1832
01:56:11.520 --> 01:56:14.680
it gets it's my introduction. It
gets blown up through a bug and it

1833
01:56:14.680 --> 01:56:16.600
goes in and pales the soldier and
I pull it out. That's my introduction,

1834
01:56:16.880 --> 01:56:19.159
and I said, give me a
hand, somebody grab that foot,

1835
01:56:19.199 --> 01:56:21.840
and you know, you know I
do this all this thing. They put

1836
01:56:21.880 --> 01:56:24.840
the shovel in the wall and I
was like, oh, yeah, you

1837
01:56:24.840 --> 01:56:26.920
know, I pulled that out.
They pulled it out so you can hit

1838
01:56:26.960 --> 01:56:29.960
bugs with it and you can do
I just talked to them, and these

1839
01:56:29.960 --> 01:56:32.880
people are so into it. So
they're like they're nerds and and I'm a

1840
01:56:32.920 --> 01:56:35.720
nerd, and I've been going to
I've been going to you know, comic

1841
01:56:35.720 --> 01:56:41.279
cons from forever. I love comic
books. I married a cous player who's

1842
01:56:41.319 --> 01:56:44.399
also just the sweetest woman in the
world. My daughter's a gamer. All

1843
01:56:44.399 --> 01:56:46.239
this this is my whole world.
Somebody asked me once, they said,

1844
01:56:46.359 --> 01:56:49.279
what do you think those people are
comic cons that dress up? You know,

1845
01:56:49.359 --> 01:56:51.239
that's kind of weird. I go, what do you mean? That's

1846
01:56:51.279 --> 01:56:56.079
what I do for a living.
It's the job, right, yess.

1847
01:56:56.079 --> 01:57:00.159
I'm like, it's the coolest thing
in the world. Somebody, Oh,

1848
01:57:00.239 --> 01:57:03.079
yes, it is. And it's
fun and and and that's what we're creative

1849
01:57:03.239 --> 01:57:06.920
and all these people are so creative. I'm just around geniuses and the people

1850
01:57:06.960 --> 01:57:10.479
I get to work with geniuses.
This is for me. It's fun.

1851
01:57:10.520 --> 01:57:12.720
I want to be around that.
I want it, and I want the

1852
01:57:12.800 --> 01:57:16.039
kindness and I want you know,
I just want that camaraderie. It it's

1853
01:57:16.079 --> 01:57:18.960
beautiful, and isn't that what's kind
of special about the game is like,

1854
01:57:19.000 --> 01:57:21.640
now people could kind of have that
play that you get to play like you're

1855
01:57:21.680 --> 01:57:26.000
playing on film on stage, and
now people could do that just in a

1856
01:57:26.039 --> 01:57:28.399
game in a safe space, right, And that's what I think they all

1857
01:57:28.479 --> 01:57:31.560
do. These people help inspire like
films they you know, games now inspire

1858
01:57:31.600 --> 01:57:35.560
films. Films inspire games. There's
there's such a crossover for all of it.

1859
01:57:35.880 --> 01:57:39.520
But you know, it's you get
to have fun and we get to

1860
01:57:39.560 --> 01:57:43.720
live and we're and we're dreaming,
we're creating, and there's something about creating

1861
01:57:43.760 --> 01:57:46.399
something that is just so magical and
when you see people that are so good

1862
01:57:46.399 --> 01:57:48.600
at it. I'm here, I'm
sitting on a couch with all these talented

1863
01:57:48.600 --> 01:57:53.279
people. I'm working with the most
talented group for me, and and I've

1864
01:57:53.319 --> 01:57:56.319
always wanted the Starship Troopers thing,
and they and then they do it,

1865
01:57:56.359 --> 01:57:59.720
and I sit there and I'm like, oh my god, oh my god.

1866
01:57:59.760 --> 01:58:01.479
And the like even the song in
the trailer they put out the trail

1867
01:58:01.520 --> 01:58:05.119
that we have out. They have
a Scorpion song. What's the first album

1868
01:58:05.159 --> 01:58:08.760
like bough By it but they didn't
know that it's all coming together man,

1869
01:58:08.880 --> 01:58:11.079
And it's the first album I bought
when I was a kid. So it's

1870
01:58:11.119 --> 01:58:14.720
just like this is all this weird
synchronicity that I think that's happening. But

1871
01:58:15.159 --> 01:58:17.479
when they put in all that details
and when they're talking about how they're camaraderie

1872
01:58:17.520 --> 01:58:20.439
and that's how beautiful is for me
to just sit here and listen to it.

1873
01:58:20.439 --> 01:58:23.560
It's wonderful. I love it.
I'm having the time in my life.

1874
01:58:23.640 --> 01:58:26.279
Yeah, that's that's I hope I
keep doing more. Yeah for real,

1875
01:58:26.359 --> 01:58:29.279
Yeah, that's yeah, a lot
opportunity to do that, I hope.

1876
01:58:29.279 --> 01:58:31.039
So. I did play a little
bit of Extraction when it was in

1877
01:58:31.079 --> 01:58:33.439
early access, and the one of
the things I really like about it is

1878
01:58:33.479 --> 01:58:36.399
like you get a lot of stuff
where it's like four people can play together,

1879
01:58:36.399 --> 01:58:39.680
eight people, it's like sixteen.
It's like, man, I'm gonna

1880
01:58:39.680 --> 01:58:42.359
actually like make a date out of
this and like try to get a whole

1881
01:58:42.399 --> 01:58:45.319
crew together and like make a really
big deal out of it. And that's

1882
01:58:45.359 --> 01:58:47.359
like that does like lend itself to
like maybe we can get in there and

1883
01:58:47.399 --> 01:58:49.600
like actually do a little role playing, have a little fun in there,

1884
01:58:49.640 --> 01:58:51.680
and like have a make a meal
a lot of it, yeah, and

1885
01:58:51.760 --> 01:58:56.039
have the people yell all the quotes
from starts with Troopers and any of these

1886
01:58:56.039 --> 01:58:58.680
other great movies. You know,
you can just add them in the different

1887
01:58:58.680 --> 01:59:00.640
flavor. It's like, you know, I throw in things from different things,

1888
01:59:00.680 --> 01:59:03.720
but from different movies or different games
that I like. So I just

1889
01:59:03.760 --> 01:59:06.560
think it's fun to have that kind
of thing. I'm playing tomorrow with my

1890
01:59:06.640 --> 01:59:12.079
daughter. We're gonna play live on
her stream. We're gonna stream at three

1891
01:59:12.079 --> 01:59:16.039
pm. We're gonna stream us playing
an extermination with a whole bunch of different

1892
01:59:16.039 --> 01:59:18.000
people. So you know, that's
awesome. See if you can get the

1893
01:59:18.159 --> 01:59:20.479
man, Yeah, we'll squat up
hell, Yeah, that'd be great.

1894
01:59:20.560 --> 01:59:26.239
Yeah. Dave be on fallow Ass
like new Blood Publishing. How's that been

1895
01:59:26.279 --> 01:59:28.479
going. It's going great. You
know, we're more of a studio now

1896
01:59:28.520 --> 01:59:30.039
than a publisher, you know,
because all these people we published their games

1897
01:59:30.039 --> 01:59:34.720
and they wouldn't fucking leave, so
we just hired them to be the development

1898
01:59:34.760 --> 01:59:38.239
is now. So we're making so
many games. Everything is going good.

1899
01:59:38.279 --> 01:59:42.399
Ultra Kill is you know, it's
it's beyond you know, it's gone beyond

1900
01:59:42.399 --> 01:59:45.800
our wildest expectation. It's not even
finished yet. You know. We just

1901
01:59:45.079 --> 01:59:48.039
we remastered Dusk for no reason.
Last year we did Dusk and Steam,

1902
01:59:48.159 --> 01:59:53.159
like, fucking why not? You
know we're doing We're actually this summer,

1903
01:59:53.159 --> 01:59:55.520
we're bringing Faith. You know,
the more this game, you know scary,

1904
01:59:55.560 --> 01:59:58.239
you know faith, everybody knows Faith. We're bringing that to Nintendo Switch

1905
01:59:58.239 --> 02:00:00.920
and we'll bring it to Japan.
We're doing it in Japanese. We readd

1906
02:00:00.960 --> 02:00:03.159
all the that the voiceover, what's
that like? Do you like work with

1907
02:00:03.199 --> 02:00:06.319
like a team to like localize it
or yeah I got something some Jeopanese guys.

1908
02:00:06.399 --> 02:00:09.720
Yeah, yeah, they got under
control. Yeah, they got wise

1909
02:00:09.760 --> 02:00:13.199
guys over in j Pain. Yeah. So yeah, it's called the Yakuza.

1910
02:00:13.479 --> 02:00:16.439
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah,
we can't tell them it's the fucking

1911
02:00:16.520 --> 02:00:23.439
Yakuza. Jesus. Nice guys,
Nice guys trying to be coy. Yeah,

1912
02:00:23.479 --> 02:00:27.720
but it seems like this kind of
outfit that you have, not the

1913
02:00:28.000 --> 02:00:30.640
one you're wearing my outfit, the
new Blood out for you got going on

1914
02:00:30.720 --> 02:00:32.000
there. It feels like the kind
of a thing that I want to see

1915
02:00:32.039 --> 02:00:34.800
more of. Do you expect people
to kind of like replicate what you've been

1916
02:00:34.800 --> 02:00:38.319
doing? I mean, it's it's
different. I Mean there's also been some

1917
02:00:38.359 --> 02:00:41.520
like really cool indie ship popping up
late, like Blumhouse is an indie publisher

1918
02:00:41.560 --> 02:00:44.039
now in a slot is an indie
publisher now? Who saw that coming?

1919
02:00:44.560 --> 02:00:46.520
So I think from the ashes of
all these layoffs and other bullshit that's been

1920
02:00:46.520 --> 02:00:49.439
happening, there's gonna be a lot
of new indie studios popping up and all

1921
02:00:49.479 --> 02:00:53.920
the new single A double A studios
popping up, and a lot of really

1922
02:00:53.960 --> 02:00:57.319
good ship And it's up to you
know, shows like this to elevate it

1923
02:00:57.399 --> 02:00:59.199
and you know, promote it.
And you know, we do a pretty

1924
02:00:59.199 --> 02:01:00.319
good job of that at new Blood, you know, using social media,

1925
02:01:00.439 --> 02:01:02.720
use it, whatever we can do, you know, doing these things on

1926
02:01:02.800 --> 02:01:06.600
Steam and next Box and all these
this that and whatever to really you know,

1927
02:01:06.680 --> 02:01:10.800
get these new indie outfits up and
out there so they can they could

1928
02:01:10.800 --> 02:01:13.079
be the next new Blood. And
it's weird to sit here and say the

1929
02:01:13.159 --> 02:01:15.560
next new Blood because you know,
we've been around for ten years now.

1930
02:01:15.560 --> 02:01:17.560
I'm a fucking dinosaur. But you
know, like, yeah, there's people

1931
02:01:17.560 --> 02:01:19.640
that can be like one day,
I want to be like new Blood,

1932
02:01:19.640 --> 02:01:23.319
and I'm like, yes, you
can. Absolutely. All you got to

1933
02:01:23.359 --> 02:01:25.800
do is make good fucking games and
stick with your friends. Yeah, it

1934
02:01:25.800 --> 02:01:28.039
really does come down. It's like
make the good games, right, make

1935
02:01:28.079 --> 02:01:30.880
the stuff that people want to play. It sounds easy, you know,

1936
02:01:30.920 --> 02:01:33.439
but it took us ten years to
get here. Yeah, yeah, congratulations.

1937
02:01:33.439 --> 02:01:36.479
I think it's awesome. Yeah,
thank you, Thank you. Trades.

1938
02:01:36.520 --> 02:01:40.920
It beneficial to have a goon like
this in your corner, Oh yeah,

1939
02:01:40.920 --> 02:01:43.479
of course. I mean, uh, you know, I was just

1940
02:01:43.560 --> 02:01:45.439
kind of, you know, fucking
around, just doing whatever on my own

1941
02:01:46.039 --> 02:01:49.239
with another guy, and uh,
Dave. I got Dave's attention and he

1942
02:01:49.319 --> 02:01:53.119
picked us up, and uh,
you know, now we're here, and

1943
02:01:53.520 --> 02:01:56.439
you know, everybody, everybody loves
the game that we've talked to, and

1944
02:01:56.600 --> 02:01:59.399
uh, you know, I don't
think it would have been to the state

1945
02:01:59.439 --> 02:02:01.560
that it was if we didn't have
a lot of help along the way.

1946
02:02:01.640 --> 02:02:05.359
And like Dave knows what's fun,
and he knows what the fans want,

1947
02:02:05.359 --> 02:02:09.159
and we know what the fans want. Now it's just good. Yeah I

1948
02:02:09.199 --> 02:02:11.399
didn't We got we have fun over
at new Blood. You know, we

1949
02:02:11.439 --> 02:02:13.960
got in. New Blood's a big
team. Now we're almost like thirty forty

1950
02:02:13.960 --> 02:02:15.760
people. You forget, and we've
had you know, everybody's been working so

1951
02:02:15.800 --> 02:02:18.199
hard on Fall and Aces. Shout
out to the team, Shout out to

1952
02:02:18.239 --> 02:02:20.920
everybody. On the QA team,
on the dev support team, Shot the

1953
02:02:20.960 --> 02:02:24.960
Cavs, Scott Zombie, Lucas,
everybody who's been working on the game,

1954
02:02:25.279 --> 02:02:28.119
Jason of course, the co creator
of the game. With everybody that's home

1955
02:02:28.119 --> 02:02:30.760
working on working on the game right
now because we got to get it out

1956
02:02:30.239 --> 02:02:33.279
soon. You know, they're you
know, we're here having fun on this

1957
02:02:33.319 --> 02:02:35.640
fucking couch and their home, you
know, working on the game. So

1958
02:02:35.680 --> 02:02:40.399
think they're the real heroes. I'm
sorry. Yeah, so it's it's been

1959
02:02:40.439 --> 02:02:42.680
fun though, it's been fun.
We have we have fun, we work

1960
02:02:42.760 --> 02:02:45.640
hard, we have fun, and
it's uh, it's good, man,

1961
02:02:45.680 --> 02:02:47.039
it's good. It's good to be
the boss. Yeah, it is a

1962
02:02:47.399 --> 02:02:49.720
it would be a ball. It's
good to be the boss. And it's

1963
02:02:49.760 --> 02:02:53.960
great to be the ball. And
everyone's feel good about summer game, Best

1964
02:02:53.960 --> 02:02:57.680
and White one's having a good time
and yeah, yeah, absolutely, yeah,

1965
02:02:58.000 --> 02:03:00.439
all right, I think that's gonna
do it for this segment, everybody,

1966
02:03:00.800 --> 02:03:02.239
we are gonna get out of here
for now. We're gonna Toto,

1967
02:03:02.279 --> 02:03:06.600
it's gonna be Gobba Gul. It's
good. We're gonna certain shows the right

1968
02:03:08.439 --> 02:03:10.760
show. We're gonna get out of
here. Back with the Gobba goool right

1969
02:03:10.760 --> 02:03:18.640
after the kill them all. Oh
my god, man, I don't think

1970
02:03:18.680 --> 02:03:31.079
so. Thirteen twelve, eleven,
ten, nine A seven, six,

1971
02:03:31.680 --> 02:03:44.319
five four three two? Who lasting
nasty? Who's with me? It's gonna

1972
02:03:44.359 --> 02:03:48.960
get it's gonna be very professional.
I'm assuming I got the whole crew here,

1973
02:03:49.079 --> 02:03:53.560
that the concave is happening. We
are going to discuss what's gonna happen

1974
02:03:53.560 --> 02:03:56.600
in video vams the next five years. It's all deciding now, all right,

1975
02:03:56.880 --> 02:03:59.840
this is the collusion you've been worried
about. It's here. We're gonna

1976
02:04:00.119 --> 02:04:03.199
okay here, there's too many people. There's not enough. There's not enough

1977
02:04:03.199 --> 02:04:05.840
people. But what we're gonna do
is, instead of me introducing everybody,

1978
02:04:06.039 --> 02:04:10.760
we're gonna just have everybody very gingerly
announce their name and then move on to

1979
02:04:10.800 --> 02:04:13.560
the next person. Right, Yeah, right, yeah, let's start.

1980
02:04:13.800 --> 02:04:18.920
Yeah. My name is John Carson. I'm from the Indian former Carson Carson,

1981
02:04:19.319 --> 02:04:25.159
Carson, Carson Carson. My name
is Brendan Groom from Past the Controller

1982
02:04:25.239 --> 02:04:32.760
play More Indies. My name is
Charlie Walklds. I'm a freelancer. Charley

1983
02:04:33.279 --> 02:04:47.399
Charley, Charley Charley. I'm Jesse
by Telly aka Young Elmo. I'm Tatum.

1984
02:04:47.479 --> 02:04:57.920
I do public relations for video games. I'm most Severa's I. I'm

1985
02:04:57.960 --> 02:05:06.399
a staff writer Fortaku. Boss.
I'm Michael Hyam from video game website dot

1986
02:05:06.479 --> 02:05:15.199
com, Mychael, My, Michael
Michael. I'm Alex man Aikin from Gaming.

1987
02:05:19.399 --> 02:05:26.000
You're talking about Alex, Alex,
Alex, Nolex Alex. I'm not

1988
02:05:26.119 --> 02:05:30.640
here. I just want to say
that giant bomb, Dug Trio you that's

1989
02:05:30.640 --> 02:05:34.600
what's happening. Yeah. Yeah,
I'm Kenneth Stefford. I'm a staff writer

1990
02:05:34.680 --> 02:05:43.520
Kataku and a co host of Normandy
f M. I'm Eric Van Allen.

1991
02:05:43.640 --> 02:05:46.199
I am a senior editor for Distructoid. I'm a co host of Normandy f

1992
02:05:46.319 --> 02:05:53.640
M, and I'm a co host
of Action the Blood God Right right right?

1993
02:05:54.239 --> 02:05:59.039
Uh? These are the nasty boys. Yeah, couldn't be be well,

1994
02:05:59.319 --> 02:06:05.640
look are you gonna be nasty?
Don't don't want a lot? Don't

1995
02:06:05.760 --> 02:06:11.479
why. I don't know. It's
not for me to determine. Yeah,

1996
02:06:12.439 --> 02:06:15.520
I assumed you would be the nastiest. And since this came together, you're

1997
02:06:15.600 --> 02:06:19.000
like, I'm too good for this. I'm yeah. Ships shps changed,

1998
02:06:19.279 --> 02:06:24.760
you know, you you go those
checks hit different checks hit different. You

1999
02:06:24.760 --> 02:06:30.039
know what I'm saying. So,
uh, benefits? What's that not for

2000
02:06:30.159 --> 02:06:33.159
you? That? No, you
go a couple of blocks, you go

2001
02:06:33.279 --> 02:06:38.279
to hit events for SGF I,
g N Live. You know what I'm

2002
02:06:39.000 --> 02:06:42.199
always be selling buddy. Yeah,
that's that's it's that's it's crazy. But

2003
02:06:42.600 --> 02:06:45.399
I'm here to do work. I'm
not involved in the production that thing,

2004
02:06:45.520 --> 02:06:47.000
but I got mad respect for it. I've talked a lot of people in

2005
02:06:47.000 --> 02:06:49.840
mind, no one's involved with the
production. Apparently you all just showed up,

2006
02:06:49.880 --> 02:06:54.960
but it was Yeah, that got
put together on its own. Yeah,

2007
02:06:55.079 --> 02:06:57.439
it's just magic. Yeah, yeah, it's it's really weird to see

2008
02:06:57.520 --> 02:07:00.600
that thing come together. It's like
a start contrast to how things we've always

2009
02:07:00.600 --> 02:07:02.000
done at game Spot. Has that
been a game spot for like six seven

2010
02:07:02.079 --> 02:07:05.479
years? Uh So it's a it's
really weird, but you know, see

2011
02:07:05.520 --> 02:07:10.399
different size of the industry. Opens
your eyes. You you all nasty boys.

2012
02:07:10.680 --> 02:07:14.840
Is it the kind of thing where
you got this this click where it's

2013
02:07:14.920 --> 02:07:16.439
you're making your own thing instead of
like trying to break into other stuff.

2014
02:07:16.520 --> 02:07:21.319
Is it could have like your team, your crew behind you these fools?

2015
02:07:25.159 --> 02:07:34.119
Yeah, what are you saying?
Damn high school? Yes, excellent,

2016
02:07:34.640 --> 02:07:36.960
that's terror group. Yes, that's
what I should have said, of course.

2017
02:07:38.039 --> 02:07:41.520
Yeah, yeah, I don't know. So when we put this whole

2018
02:07:41.880 --> 02:07:45.159
vision of what this would look like
together, I wasn't expecting it to actually

2019
02:07:45.199 --> 02:07:47.119
be this mob of humanity. I
don't know what I thought it would be.

2020
02:07:47.119 --> 02:07:49.279
I thought we'd be able to fit
everybody on a couch. That was

2021
02:07:49.359 --> 02:07:51.880
dumb of me. Clearly, when
we rolled we rolled deep, We rolled

2022
02:07:51.880 --> 02:07:57.800
deep. Christ Yeah, hell yeah, we could also try and get everybody

2023
02:07:57.840 --> 02:08:01.520
on this couch work for the show. But a cash Jan, No,

2024
02:08:03.159 --> 02:08:07.279
he's saying no, Mike, say
yes. Jan is shutting us down.

2025
02:08:07.479 --> 02:08:09.039
A lot of conflicting orders here.
Yeah, I know me too. Yeah.

2026
02:08:09.640 --> 02:08:15.199
When I was at SGF earlier,
we were seeing Mike Manati from across

2027
02:08:15.239 --> 02:08:16.840
the street. Now you know,
I yell, it's Mike Manatti, and

2028
02:08:16.920 --> 02:08:20.600
then immediately all of the security guards
around us started going, Mike Manatti.

2029
02:08:22.640 --> 02:08:24.640
Don't know who he is. They
just like his name that much. I

2030
02:08:24.680 --> 02:08:28.079
don't know, it's that's been that
kind of show. Uh, Okay,

2031
02:08:28.279 --> 02:08:30.560
So what do you guys want to
do? What do you want to talk

2032
02:08:30.600 --> 02:08:35.439
about Mike? Yeah, Mina,
Yeah, we'rena talk about Mike Manatti.

2033
02:08:35.479 --> 02:08:39.880
Yeah, all right, y'all talk
about him all the time. We'll talk

2034
02:08:39.920 --> 02:08:41.439
about something new. We need.
Listen, I've been a big fan of

2035
02:08:41.479 --> 02:08:45.600
Mike Manatti, but not anymore.
We need we need less of this.

2036
02:08:46.720 --> 02:08:48.720
We'retoring on the Mike Manatti at least
for an hour. Yeah, we need

2037
02:08:48.840 --> 02:08:52.399
to dismantle and destroy Mike Banatca.
Yeah, if you plan to do that

2038
02:08:52.720 --> 02:08:56.880
real fast, if you if you
say his name. We got to get

2039
02:08:56.880 --> 02:09:01.319
to start beef's. Can we talk
about the etymology of the Nasty Boys?

2040
02:09:01.720 --> 02:09:07.239
Sure where that we didn't demine?
The name is the worm Boys internally,

2041
02:09:07.720 --> 02:09:13.159
the what Boys, the Warm Boys, the worm Boys. Pretty all right?

2042
02:09:13.199 --> 02:09:16.439
Do you guys want to be the
worm Boys instead of the Nasty Boy?

2043
02:09:18.319 --> 02:09:20.680
We can live. We can live
with the Nasty Boys. We just

2044
02:09:20.720 --> 02:09:24.239
wanted to know how we got I
think that we were talking and we were

2045
02:09:24.279 --> 02:09:28.840
in a meeting at giant bomb dot
com, and I think Backlar said we

2046
02:09:28.920 --> 02:09:33.359
need to give him a name,
and I think Chance said they nasty damn

2047
02:09:33.520 --> 02:09:37.600
And I'm pretty sure that's all there
was to it. And they immediately was

2048
02:09:37.640 --> 02:09:39.399
like, yeah, the Nasty Boy, the w c W tag team group

2049
02:09:39.560 --> 02:09:41.239
like that, And then we were
all like yes, like the w c

2050
02:09:41.439 --> 02:09:45.760
W tag team group. I think
it was that that simple, brilliant and

2051
02:09:45.800 --> 02:09:46.760
then we were just like a big
fan of it, like, yeah,

2052
02:09:46.800 --> 02:09:50.039
we got to bring the nasty boys
on the stuff. That's that's the energy.

2053
02:09:50.079 --> 02:09:56.479
We like that. Absolutely it rolls
off the tongue. I was just

2054
02:09:56.479 --> 02:10:00.239
saying, getting nasty, Okay,
gett nasty. I'm sorry you just through

2055
02:10:00.319 --> 02:10:03.960
like seven people's like here before it
gets to me. Yeah, understandable.

2056
02:10:05.359 --> 02:10:07.399
John. When I first met you, I was a sick in Dan Record's

2057
02:10:07.439 --> 02:10:11.760
bathroom. Yes you were. I
brought you a gatorade, Yes you did.

2058
02:10:11.920 --> 02:10:15.640
Yeah, it's a same life better. I don't think you touched it

2059
02:10:15.720 --> 02:10:18.159
for like eight hours after I was
sleeping. I slept basically that whole weekend.

2060
02:10:18.239 --> 02:10:20.840
Yeah, but thank you for being
sick so I could chill on the

2061
02:10:20.880 --> 02:10:26.600
couch a little bit longer. Absolutely
solidify myself as the second Young Elbow.

2062
02:10:26.760 --> 02:10:31.359
Yes, right, of course that's
my father. Yes, uh call me

2063
02:10:31.680 --> 02:10:35.840
call me Elmo. Young Elmo is
my father? Like you accept the young

2064
02:10:35.920 --> 02:10:37.800
Elmo name? Right? That was
like not a problem. Oh yeah,

2065
02:10:37.840 --> 02:10:45.800
no, that was absolutely was great. But we're okay, well yeah we

2066
02:10:46.079 --> 02:10:48.399
uh, people don't remember Young Elmo
got the name because you were sitting in

2067
02:10:48.439 --> 02:10:52.079
the back of the Brooklyn Show when
we did GB Live and you were Elmo

2068
02:10:52.239 --> 02:10:54.840
the entire time. And that was
the first time I met any of y'all.

2069
02:10:54.960 --> 02:10:56.720
Yes, like like Jane and I
kind of knew each other, and

2070
02:10:56.760 --> 02:10:58.560
John was like, oh, yeah, come hang out. And then Dan

2071
02:10:58.720 --> 02:11:01.640
was like, someone needs to get
in this Elmo costume, and I was

2072
02:11:01.680 --> 02:11:07.159
like, I'll do it. And
then I sat there while Austin Walker explained

2073
02:11:07.680 --> 02:11:11.000
something to Dan and I was just
sitting there next to Oh there's economics,

2074
02:11:11.119 --> 02:11:13.039
and I'm just sitting there next to
Elmo. Yeah, yeah, crucially,

2075
02:11:13.600 --> 02:11:18.399
uh yeah, And now I'm Young
Elmo. Yeah, absolutely, And whenever

2076
02:11:18.439 --> 02:11:20.800
we are talking internally, we're like, maybe Young Elmo can help us with

2077
02:11:20.880 --> 02:11:24.119
this. We do say anywhere Young
Elmo is very wise. Yes, you

2078
02:11:24.279 --> 02:11:28.039
Elmo knows all. Do you guys
ever asked yourself what would young Elmo do?

2079
02:11:28.319 --> 02:11:30.239
Yeah? I do. Personally.
I don't know about these from w

2080
02:11:30.479 --> 02:11:33.640
w YE of course some arm bands. Yeah, yes, we'll start selling

2081
02:11:33.640 --> 02:11:35.880
those. That'll be the real racket. Moys. Is how you doing,

2082
02:11:37.239 --> 02:11:41.000
I'm chilling, Yeah, I'm here. I'm a little buzzed, nervous about

2083
02:11:41.000 --> 02:11:50.760
being surrounded by so many whites.
Oh, that's what I want to do

2084
02:11:52.600 --> 02:11:54.239
him. Last time I chanted DEI
at Boston, you got really mad at

2085
02:11:54.319 --> 02:11:56.319
me. Yeah, I see,
I want to I want to haul past.

2086
02:11:56.399 --> 02:11:58.359
Can we chant that? Well?
Okay, Well, a couple of

2087
02:11:58.359 --> 02:12:01.960
things we need to here. What
are we chance? This is like the

2088
02:12:01.279 --> 02:12:05.680
twentieth time you've mentioned hall passes.
What do you think that means? I

2089
02:12:05.800 --> 02:12:09.840
think it means I get away with
things and I don't get canceled. Okay,

2090
02:12:09.119 --> 02:12:13.640
Yeah, what the when did I
chant D D to you? No?

2091
02:12:13.760 --> 02:12:16.680
You didn't. I chanted at you? You got you got very mad

2092
02:12:16.720 --> 02:12:18.119
at me? Okay, Third,
Bart, I got very mad at you.

2093
02:12:18.279 --> 02:12:22.279
Well you were working? Yeah,
actually was Actually I think you and

2094
02:12:22.399 --> 02:12:24.680
Blessed had just done it and I
came back from the bathroom and heard it,

2095
02:12:24.680 --> 02:12:26.239
and I'm like, I'm gonna get
in on it. Fucked. What

2096
02:12:26.399 --> 02:12:31.359
what event was this again? Packs? Was it pass past? Packs?

2097
02:12:31.399 --> 02:12:33.399
I think it was a recent Yeah, okay, well you can't chat that,

2098
02:12:33.960 --> 02:12:37.560
can you? Okay? Can I
just bat be in the glow of

2099
02:12:37.600 --> 02:12:41.119
you chance up? First of all, it was Michael and Nikki and me.

2100
02:12:41.680 --> 02:12:48.800
Oh that's right, there was there
was. Oh, I know he

2101
02:12:48.920 --> 02:12:54.279
was definitely blessing. I'll check it. Canceling, somebody checked the tape right

2102
02:12:54.359 --> 02:13:01.399
now. Canceled, canceled, canceled, cancel open duck, canceled. It's

2103
02:13:01.520 --> 02:13:05.119
very good. I can cancel all
the time. So what do you want

2104
02:13:05.159 --> 02:13:11.359
to hold chance that I want to
What do you mean by that? But

2105
02:13:11.680 --> 02:13:16.039
yeah, I want to Chandy?
Do you want the okay? Yeah,

2106
02:13:16.359 --> 02:13:18.680
one you can like nod your head
along with the cadence. Okay, can

2107
02:13:18.880 --> 02:13:28.680
that's what you can n r e
I Okay, that's what makes me so

2108
02:13:30.279 --> 02:13:35.039
okay. I have a question,
a lot of questions. You can't say

2109
02:13:35.079 --> 02:13:39.520
it like you're in a safe space, all right, You're not. This

2110
02:13:39.680 --> 02:13:43.479
this one's for Kenn Shepherd. Can
Ken Chandy d e I with us because

2111
02:13:43.479 --> 02:13:48.199
it's June, Well not just because
of June, but can you say it?

2112
02:13:48.039 --> 02:13:52.560
You want to see me? You're
just I think Ken Ken could do

2113
02:13:52.600 --> 02:13:54.119
it. That's part. He is
part of the initiative. You know what

2114
02:13:54.159 --> 02:13:58.600
I'm saying. We all got to
stick together for Yeah, intersectionally, that's

2115
02:13:58.600 --> 02:14:05.840
how you that's how you actually achieve
greatness. The diversity is well no,

2116
02:14:05.199 --> 02:14:13.680
but ch ch ch chanz, we
can all come together. We're not saying

2117
02:14:13.840 --> 02:14:20.600
chance, so Ken can Channa with
us. I don't know if any you

2118
02:14:20.680 --> 02:14:22.520
know this. Who do you think
Mike mcnatty's fvorite rapper is. I know

2119
02:14:22.560 --> 02:14:31.199
you don't want Michael Moore goofy which
recent in recent months. You're not a

2120
02:14:31.239 --> 02:14:37.840
good rapper, but maybe not a
right rapper, but it seems like a

2121
02:14:37.920 --> 02:14:39.640
good person, A good person.
I know the answer. Hey, what's

2122
02:14:39.720 --> 02:14:43.640
up? I know the answer?
You got another person on what's Mina's favorite

2123
02:14:43.680 --> 02:14:52.640
rapper? Miranda? Yeah, that's
what he said, tate him. How

2124
02:14:52.680 --> 02:14:56.680
you doing? I'm chilling? Oh
wait, I need a microphone they got.

2125
02:14:58.039 --> 02:15:00.920
Yeah, I'm chilling. Yeah,
I've just been going for pretty good.

2126
02:15:01.079 --> 02:15:03.600
I mean I'm not really showing anything. I'm not really like pring anything.

2127
02:15:03.640 --> 02:15:07.800
It's more so just like seeing what's
going on and just seeing all of

2128
02:15:07.840 --> 02:15:11.880
the wonderful boys, and uh,
you know that's the best part of these

2129
02:15:11.880 --> 02:15:16.319
things. But most of you in
most of you, not everyone's in New

2130
02:15:16.399 --> 02:15:20.039
York. Are most of you in
New York? No? Raise your hand

2131
02:15:20.119 --> 02:15:22.560
up here from New York? Yeah? Okay, okay, so how oft

2132
02:15:22.600 --> 02:15:39.239
have you? Please pin your location? Can not say n y C.

2133
02:15:39.439 --> 02:15:43.720
But can say, yeah, exactly, I feel like I'm being police salot

2134
02:15:43.800 --> 02:15:46.720
on the street. You can say
whatever you want, thank you. I

2135
02:15:48.159 --> 02:15:52.199
crucially I can't. But like,
okay, So then how often do you

2136
02:15:52.239 --> 02:15:56.199
all get together and like nasty it
up? Oh jeez, I like that

2137
02:15:56.319 --> 02:16:01.720
purpose Yeah, in person sometimes,
but then you know, we also convene

2138
02:16:01.760 --> 02:16:07.279
online. We convene through spirituality.
Sure, yeah, we ken and I

2139
02:16:07.479 --> 02:16:13.600
also convened like every other day because
we work together. Sure, I see

2140
02:16:13.720 --> 02:16:16.680
that boy more than I see most
anybody else in my life. Yeah,

2141
02:16:18.520 --> 02:16:22.720
but I think like about once or
twice a month, we usually get together,

2142
02:16:22.439 --> 02:16:26.479
usually at your place. Are we
talking about the New York City people,

2143
02:16:26.520 --> 02:16:28.560
specifically New York Contingtion? Oh yeah, I just they just come over

2144
02:16:28.640 --> 02:16:31.799
my apartment and like hang out,
and they made me watch The Matrix for

2145
02:16:31.840 --> 02:16:37.040
the first time two weeks ago.
I had never seen The Matrix and they

2146
02:16:37.120 --> 02:16:39.879
had to explain it to me because
I literally knew nothing about the movie.

2147
02:16:39.239 --> 02:16:43.920
But he literally, he literally did
not realize that Neo was the one.

2148
02:16:45.280 --> 02:16:50.040
So well, after watching the movie, it's it's that it's yeah, yeah,

2149
02:16:50.120 --> 02:16:52.520
like by the end of the movie. Okay, am I okay,

2150
02:16:52.079 --> 02:16:54.239
I'm never. Okay, Okay,
I don't think he's ever been. Okay,

2151
02:16:54.440 --> 02:16:58.040
yeah, fair enough, you watch
reloaded? No, I don't know.

2152
02:16:58.200 --> 02:17:01.600
I'm desperately trying to make him watch
the other ones. He doesn't.

2153
02:17:01.639 --> 02:17:03.719
He's fighting me on it. Yeah. Yeah, he's been a little bit.

2154
02:17:03.200 --> 02:17:05.360
Doesn't seen any of the gibbling movies. What's the matrix? Well,

2155
02:17:05.719 --> 02:17:09.920
what were you doing? You're really
gonna watch movies at all? Like you

2156
02:17:09.000 --> 02:17:13.479
do not watch movies? Yeah?
Yeah, yeah, Okay, here's my

2157
02:17:13.559 --> 02:17:16.280
hot take. Movies are too long. Every movie should be forty five minutes

2158
02:17:16.319 --> 02:17:24.120
and not a minute longer. Okay, so can sol cancel care? Like?

2159
02:17:24.159 --> 02:17:26.639
Have you've seen Dune too? That
movie's three hours long? Fuck?

2160
02:17:26.719 --> 02:17:35.799
No, I haven't cancel. Cancel, canceled, cancel. Okay, So

2161
02:17:35.600 --> 02:17:39.520
you want movies to be TV shows? Do you want TV shows to be

2162
02:17:39.600 --> 02:17:43.120
tiktoks like what Happens next? No? TikTok has permanently destroyed my brain in

2163
02:17:43.200 --> 02:17:45.799
a way I will never get back. The other thing he watched is Bravo.

2164
02:17:46.239 --> 02:17:50.520
Oh yeah I'm not. I'm not
a job. I love Bravo.

2165
02:17:50.520 --> 02:17:58.200
Watch movie. I also watched Dune. Just doesn't just wait taste? Sorry?

2166
02:17:58.280 --> 02:18:03.399
The rock Dune isn't just on TikTok, He's on fail comps. Oh

2167
02:18:03.600 --> 02:18:07.920
YouTube fail comps. You. Sometimes
we'll just get together and we'll watch like

2168
02:18:07.000 --> 02:18:09.799
a two hour fail comp. Why
not. Sometimes we get together and we

2169
02:18:09.840 --> 02:18:16.000
also just watch battle bots for like, we have a game where I choose

2170
02:18:16.079 --> 02:18:20.239
which battle bots I think I could
take in real life. All Right,

2171
02:18:20.280 --> 02:18:22.200
what's what's the toughest one you think
you could take? What's that big one?

2172
02:18:22.319 --> 02:18:26.239
It's like really tall that has spinning
it's called them. Yeah, yeah,

2173
02:18:26.440 --> 02:18:31.559
literally, is there like one you
think would be like your kryptonite?

2174
02:18:31.000 --> 02:18:35.399
I mean any of them that shoot
flames. I don't know if you know

2175
02:18:35.520 --> 02:18:37.959
this, but I burned. Yeah, okay, I got check later.

2176
02:18:39.000 --> 02:18:41.639
It's crazy. There's a battle bot
that just has a gun. You could

2177
02:18:41.680 --> 02:18:48.159
take that, Yeah, glaucula spinning
spinning disc ones. I could take those

2178
02:18:48.200 --> 02:18:52.200
out. You just like step Yeah, you just lop on them. It's

2179
02:18:52.600 --> 02:18:56.079
okay because at the top is not
like, is that a battle pot that

2180
02:18:56.239 --> 02:19:01.799
just ship? They heard him talking
ship? They can try. It's crazy,

2181
02:19:01.920 --> 02:19:05.000
is about to shoot fire? Do
you think a battlebot's gonna have chat

2182
02:19:05.079 --> 02:19:07.639
GPT in it at some point?
Yes? Oh? Absolutely? The battle

2183
02:19:07.639 --> 02:19:09.399
bots are going to get to talk
to each other, and then they're gonna

2184
02:19:09.399 --> 02:19:13.040
get stuck in. They're gonna defeat. I have a question for Groub please.

2185
02:19:13.600 --> 02:19:16.040
If Giant Bomb made a battle bot
and it was just called the Giant

2186
02:19:16.079 --> 02:19:20.200
Bomb, what would it do?
It would have nothing to do with explosives,

2187
02:19:20.239 --> 02:19:26.760
it would it would? Yeah.
I think it would probably be like

2188
02:19:26.840 --> 02:19:30.920
a big block that does just have
like spinning hammers on it and stuff like

2189
02:19:31.000 --> 02:19:33.840
that, and it would like shout
like really dumb things the whole time.

2190
02:19:33.920 --> 02:19:41.840
Probably it just as a speaker on
it. It was a speaker. I'm

2191
02:19:41.879 --> 02:19:54.879
doing it. The robots chanted it's
capital d E. I nevermind. Wait

2192
02:19:54.159 --> 02:19:58.319
when did it become When did it
become a thing? I can't say,

2193
02:19:58.600 --> 02:20:01.399
Oh, we're still on this to
this. I personally tried to see us

2194
02:20:01.440 --> 02:20:07.920
away from this all right. I
think what's gonna happen here pretty soon is

2195
02:20:07.959 --> 02:20:09.879
we're gonna play a little game,
all right. And I think, hey,

2196
02:20:09.959 --> 02:20:16.319
Jigsaw, we're gonna you're one splay
game. Dan Record has a leaf

2197
02:20:16.399 --> 02:20:20.120
blower and he has been hit me
with a week and it makes my face

2198
02:20:20.159 --> 02:20:22.399
look funny. I think what we're
gonna do is we want to hit all

2199
02:20:22.440 --> 02:20:26.040
of you. I talked, talk
to Kenneth already. We're not You're gonna

2200
02:20:26.040 --> 02:20:28.040
have me judge. Yes, uh, we're gonna hit all of you,

2201
02:20:28.159 --> 02:20:31.559
and we're gonna judge who has the
funniest face. But I think first we

2202
02:20:31.600 --> 02:20:37.280
should decide who actually might have the
funniest place. Bets on it. All

2203
02:20:37.399 --> 02:20:41.079
right, listen, you had you
got ten k on your birthday and you're

2204
02:20:41.120 --> 02:20:45.280
taking this ship way too far now. I mean, I want to make

2205
02:20:45.280 --> 02:20:50.920
some more money, but he's on
a winning street on this one. Been

2206
02:20:52.000 --> 02:20:54.840
going. I forced myself to stop
when the hot season ended. Actually got

2207
02:20:54.920 --> 02:20:58.840
you cold turkey. You realize problem. This is what I can do.

2208
02:20:58.040 --> 02:21:01.319
Yeah. I actually did get my
nephew like a bunch of money when I

2209
02:21:01.360 --> 02:21:03.799
saw him, because I'm like,
I hate a big don't worry about it.

2210
02:21:03.840 --> 02:21:07.280
Don't worries it. Just get yourself, get yourself a translator. Yeah,

2211
02:21:07.680 --> 02:21:11.799
you'll be right, all right?
Yeah, okay, so I think

2212
02:21:11.319 --> 02:21:16.120
my BET's going to be m Let's
see here. When you got the two,

2213
02:21:16.399 --> 02:21:18.360
are you gonna wear both sunglasses?
Why not? I think both sunglasses

2214
02:21:18.399 --> 02:21:31.760
are gonna Ops, that's a hat
classes not toos in video games? All

2215
02:21:31.799 --> 02:21:35.040
right, don work too yeah,
you could be though you want to be

2216
02:21:35.120 --> 02:21:39.040
really funny, you could put Ken's
beanie on it. Do you guys have

2217
02:21:39.079 --> 02:21:41.479
any guesses? Who do you think
is gonna have the funniest face? Charlie,

2218
02:21:46.200 --> 02:21:48.879
I don't know. I was cooking. Yeah, I actually was predicting

2219
02:21:48.879 --> 02:21:52.479
the future with this one. I
was I got a haircut before coming here,

2220
02:21:52.520 --> 02:21:56.079
intentionally because I knew it would look
good with the leaf So moys is

2221
02:21:56.120 --> 02:22:01.840
pretty pretty fun to get candid photos
of. Yeah, sure, but Moyses

2222
02:22:01.959 --> 02:22:05.760
just looks photogenic, like it look
just looks hands I'm saying, it looks

2223
02:22:05.799 --> 02:22:09.600
funny. Does I take it?
All? Right? A little bit humor?

2224
02:22:11.120 --> 02:22:15.440
You want to have? Any would
have been part this that I was

2225
02:22:15.840 --> 02:22:20.520
sure? That is not sure?
That's shirting weapon. I'm not gonna shoot

2226
02:22:20.559 --> 02:22:22.159
something right, get out. It
looks like a T shirt cat right,

2227
02:22:22.479 --> 02:22:26.200
you're out. You're out. Anyone
else is your last off? Out?

2228
02:22:26.600 --> 02:22:31.639
Is that you as soon as you
saw the leaf blower saying I don't do

2229
02:22:31.799 --> 02:22:35.520
that, hit like four times this
it's huge, Okay, so we're doing

2230
02:22:35.559 --> 02:22:37.520
my best reaction gives material with this? Yeah, I think so. I

2231
02:22:37.600 --> 02:22:41.120
think if I can give an ac
a tap to flyoff, and if you

2232
02:22:41.159 --> 02:22:46.399
want to try to create the next
first game, I'm blinking you gotta be

2233
02:22:46.440 --> 02:22:50.639
an honor. Yeah, and lots
of money. Yeah, I said,

2234
02:22:50.639 --> 02:22:54.559
when the boat sunglasses go off,
all right, dad's gonna keep it.

2235
02:22:54.600 --> 02:22:58.959
I'm gonna go from person to persons
to just be ready, and it's gipping

2236
02:22:58.079 --> 02:23:01.680
them like I am give you okay, So everyone else is getting hit.

2237
02:23:01.799 --> 02:23:03.520
All right, cool, we're good, We're good. Are we ready?

2238
02:23:03.840 --> 02:23:07.520
Camera? We're good? This one? Okay? So if you want to

2239
02:23:07.520 --> 02:23:13.719
play camera everyone watch out for these
cuss wait crucially before we start, do

2240
02:23:13.799 --> 02:23:16.319
we need to move the microphones away
from the leading sound? Like? Okay?

2241
02:23:16.840 --> 02:23:20.760
Are we working into the camera or
looking at for production? Do what

2242
02:23:20.840 --> 02:23:22.920
you wanted to scale on? Was
looking off camera? You decided? Yeah?

2243
02:23:24.840 --> 02:23:30.680
You know? Okay? Which one
to think about viral internet sensations?

2244
02:23:30.719 --> 02:23:33.879
It's always good to perfectly craft them? Ready, camera ready, John curses

2245
02:23:35.040 --> 02:23:37.520
starting with you you're ready, jesus, good luck John, good luck?

2246
02:23:43.440 --> 02:24:35.879
Three to one? Union boy boy
boy boy, I say, I thought,

2247
02:24:37.079 --> 02:24:58.200
very validated. Not you want it
again? Can I get ahead?

2248
02:25:22.479 --> 02:25:26.319
Why was that one way? Jeff
Jeff Grill turned to this lived gym guy.

2249
02:25:26.399 --> 02:25:30.879
It was crazy. I think I
think it blew my drip into my

2250
02:25:31.040 --> 02:25:48.239
nail. Thank you so much,
good guy chicken that Yeah, there are

2251
02:25:48.360 --> 02:25:50.520
tears in my eyes. I'm not
saying that becomes a little leaf blower,

2252
02:25:50.600 --> 02:25:58.440
but because that was fucking insane something. Everybody came out of it like a

2253
02:25:58.520 --> 02:26:05.040
hired man three seconds in where you
like, hit Nirvana, which is a

2254
02:26:05.159 --> 02:26:07.920
different level of existence, hit me, I can say myself. Incorporating that

2255
02:26:07.959 --> 02:26:15.959
into like a routine wake up in
the morning was more effective, said what

2256
02:26:16.120 --> 02:26:20.879
kind of routine here? But the
dentist anymore? All right, that felt

2257
02:26:20.920 --> 02:26:24.319
really erotic. Michael Higham. Probably
who do you think I had the best

2258
02:26:24.360 --> 02:26:26.840
face? Okay, first thing I
want to say is I think everyone looked

2259
02:26:26.840 --> 02:26:31.559
like a different person when they get
blown Listen that that was the best of

2260
02:26:31.639 --> 02:26:37.559
us. Fuck, I remember when
you're sleeping tonight. The best the best

2261
02:26:37.600 --> 02:26:41.239
first impression I think was Charlie.
He's the one who up. Yeah.

2262
02:26:41.760 --> 02:26:45.760
Yeah, so I'm gonna give my
I'm gonna get my my first place to

2263
02:26:46.000 --> 02:26:50.200
Charlie. Uh definitely not you know, a sort of a bias for my

2264
02:26:50.239 --> 02:26:52.920
co worker, but more than I
think was the one than really not mean,

2265
02:26:54.120 --> 02:26:54.920
like, oh, I'm very loud. I did not take part in

2266
02:26:56.040 --> 02:27:00.520
that. That's really so. I
think everyone had a balliant effort. Absolutely,

2267
02:27:00.680 --> 02:27:03.600
yeah, but I think I am
going to go with moistes to varise.

2268
02:27:09.040 --> 02:27:18.319
Is this? That's me before I
was once again all right, so

2269
02:27:18.559 --> 02:27:22.559
how's everyone feeling about video games?
That's GF. What do you have you?

2270
02:27:22.639 --> 02:27:24.120
I guess having a good time?
What's a video video game? I

2271
02:27:24.159 --> 02:27:28.799
don't know. I wasn't I wasn't
playing, so I don't know what literally

2272
02:27:28.840 --> 02:27:33.239
what is a video game? But
you no, I'm just protesting, okay,

2273
02:27:33.319 --> 02:27:37.280
yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah, it's gonna be me. Yeah,

2274
02:27:39.159 --> 02:27:41.760
definitely definitely like saw this morning,
and I could tell he was pissed

2275
02:27:41.760 --> 02:27:45.920
off, and I think it was
because of you. He feels it.

2276
02:27:46.000 --> 02:27:48.200
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
I think he did. Absolutely, you

2277
02:27:48.239 --> 02:27:50.639
guys played anything fun. You guys
have a good time. You guys find

2278
02:27:50.639 --> 02:27:54.319
anything like we're talking about, uh, building relationships. It's really fun.

2279
02:27:54.399 --> 02:27:56.440
This is the second that was coming
up, come up tonight. It's that

2280
02:27:56.559 --> 02:28:00.879
good. Yeah. Yeah, he
plays like a single how on an island

2281
02:28:00.959 --> 02:28:05.079
full of single houses, and and
you just do like house based dating puns

2282
02:28:05.159 --> 02:28:07.920
and it's like a short hike but
what if all they were all just warny

2283
02:28:07.959 --> 02:28:11.440
buildings. It's really good the buildings
like actually like roll around. They roll

2284
02:28:11.559 --> 02:28:18.559
so and they act like houses.
They don't like roll like roll and more

2285
02:28:18.639 --> 02:28:26.920
games with expectations. They should call
it Future X Housewives. That's the DLC

2286
02:28:28.920 --> 02:28:33.319
can people mentioned that earlier, and
it's like it's like very like, uh,

2287
02:28:33.000 --> 02:28:35.760
really really well done humor right,
like they really nailed that, incredibly

2288
02:28:35.799 --> 02:28:39.319
well written, but also like sound
design wise, I was telling the developer

2289
02:28:39.399 --> 02:28:43.159
this, Uh, there's something about
the way the animations and the sound design

2290
02:28:43.239 --> 02:28:46.360
work together. There's like a little
kazoo that plays when you do your jump,

2291
02:28:46.719 --> 02:28:50.000
and watching a house like jump and
do a summersault to like a kazoo

2292
02:28:50.079 --> 02:28:52.639
like a little fur is really great. I really wonder can you can you

2293
02:28:52.719 --> 02:28:58.319
make that sound again for one more
time? You want me to do Muppet

2294
02:28:58.319 --> 02:29:01.520
im first Nations again? I'm not
doing that live on No, no you

2295
02:29:01.719 --> 02:29:07.159
you you brought it up now?
Yah yeah. Talking about the Muppets for

2296
02:29:07.360 --> 02:29:13.120
like twenty four hours straight before Jeff
Keeley ever loved them. Who doesn't love

2297
02:29:13.159 --> 02:29:16.319
the Muppets? Does someone here not
like the Muppets? I love the Muppets?

2298
02:29:16.559 --> 02:29:20.360
Probably you know Creig Miller doesn't like
the Muppets, that the Muppets aside

2299
02:29:20.399 --> 02:29:28.879
from Elbow, because they're not the
Ghostbusters. Here he's here, I think

2300
02:29:28.879 --> 02:29:33.680
he's. No, your Muppets are
better than the Ghostbusters have ever been.

2301
02:29:33.799 --> 02:29:37.559
I love your Busters. He doesn't
know what them? Yeah, yeah,

2302
02:29:37.639 --> 02:29:41.879
stop everything, Charlie don't know what
the Muppets are. Wait what No,

2303
02:29:43.000 --> 02:29:48.879
you're your lion. You're fucking lie. Take the microphone. Charlie was like,

2304
02:29:50.079 --> 02:29:58.200
was born after not love the Muppet. Elmo is a Muppet Almos like

2305
02:29:58.479 --> 02:30:03.799
a pseudo muppet like muppeted Jason.
He's from the Muppet Company. Yeah yeah,

2306
02:30:03.840 --> 02:30:09.799
but like that doesn't the capital m
Muppets like like my old dudes.

2307
02:30:09.840 --> 02:30:13.000
You know that there's the original Nasty
Boys. Some saying yes, like there's

2308
02:30:13.040 --> 02:30:16.200
the Muppets as well. Hold on, I got to keep it open,

2309
02:30:18.280 --> 02:30:22.920
keep your mouth open. I got
to do that. I don't. I

2310
02:30:24.000 --> 02:30:26.719
don't need to do that. Into
the money, Okay, everybody, your

2311
02:30:26.840 --> 02:30:35.920
best mump impression. Absolutely not.
I'm excited, Kermit, that's all I

2312
02:30:35.959 --> 02:30:39.879
got. Your term moyses, go
for this. Step up to the plate,

2313
02:30:41.399 --> 02:30:46.040
Miss Biggy, actually average Kermit d
Frog Heremit Frog here. Why does

2314
02:30:46.120 --> 02:30:52.520
everybody do Kermit? I don't see
other muppets. Well you do Miss Piggie,

2315
02:30:52.959 --> 02:30:56.159
Okay, I gonta do Miss Biggie. They do like sand the Eagle.

2316
02:30:56.319 --> 02:30:58.760
Okay, are we getting into impressions
territory right now? Yeah, we're

2317
02:30:58.840 --> 02:31:03.360
doing an American impressions. We have
to them. You can do whatever you

2318
02:31:03.479 --> 02:31:05.239
honestly give me whatever you get.
I want you to guess what this is.

2319
02:31:05.319 --> 02:31:15.840
Okay, Okay, Oh my god, Jenner for Coolidge, good Oka.

2320
02:31:15.840 --> 02:31:22.840
I'm gonna roll through what I can
do, like, gonna be changing

2321
02:31:22.879 --> 02:31:33.200
slightly mix you kind of get into
goofy Terra. I can't. I messed

2322
02:31:33.319 --> 02:31:35.639
up. How many of you want
to be voice actors, because that's why

2323
02:31:35.680 --> 02:31:39.239
I find a lot of Yeah,
you can do an incredible Sands undertail.

2324
02:31:39.799 --> 02:31:46.040
All right, I'm sure you can
do it better. I'll hear it.

2325
02:31:54.680 --> 02:31:56.360
I mean, here's the thing that
one of them is shorter, one of

2326
02:31:56.399 --> 02:32:00.840
them is taller. We just have
Papyrus and so on. There we go.

2327
02:32:01.600 --> 02:32:09.760
Oh, it's Sons characters. That's
just Scott just listening to Scott.

2328
02:32:11.200 --> 02:32:15.120
Yeah, that's one of my favorites. Yeah, basically, we're really gifted

2329
02:32:15.159 --> 02:32:18.239
bunch why you're the Nasty Boys.
Yeah, how you earned it? Hey,

2330
02:32:18.239 --> 02:32:24.479
Alex, canna have another chicken nugget? Yeah? Yeah, I'm always

2331
02:32:24.520 --> 02:32:37.479
on my collumn ship the Gottumn's well
just church in it. You think,

2332
02:32:39.959 --> 02:32:52.760
what do you think of Summer Game
FESTI some sometts's shoes are pretty good and

2333
02:32:52.799 --> 02:33:01.879
you're like this looking lost. I
don't know. That's good. Thank you,

2334
02:33:03.000 --> 02:33:05.360
thank you. This is just a
good show. This is exactly where

2335
02:33:05.360 --> 02:33:09.559
I expected. This is what we've
talked about. One single video came and

2336
02:33:09.920 --> 02:33:15.360
the house it should be. Yeah. I played Street Fighter six against Ken,

2337
02:33:15.559 --> 02:33:18.600
and Ken beat my ass for twenty
minutes and then I left Summer Game

2338
02:33:18.639 --> 02:33:22.280
Fight. Yeah, Ken was like
rolling deep last year. Didn't you like

2339
02:33:22.719 --> 02:33:26.000
getting on the yeah three six right? Yeah, I gotta had a three

2340
02:33:26.120 --> 02:33:28.479
going on. But I was taken
down by Funk Joseph because they are the

2341
02:33:28.879 --> 02:33:33.920
monarch of the Free Fighter. Yeah
them here but shout Yeah we're at Larry

2342
02:33:33.959 --> 02:33:37.360
and now like what the fuck?
Yeah? Yeah that's why. How is

2343
02:33:37.440 --> 02:33:41.319
Bison? Did you play that?
Did you play Bison? Nothing? Bargo?

2344
02:33:41.959 --> 02:33:45.840
Oh? Yeah? Why why is
everything in Bargo? Anything I wanted

2345
02:33:45.840 --> 02:33:48.719
to talk about in the person I
could answer that there's a lot having bargoes.

2346
02:33:48.799 --> 02:33:52.079
Yeah, person, why is everything
in bargo it's becaut? Why are

2347
02:33:52.079 --> 02:33:58.040
you giving me a second microphone?
It's really Oh god, there's certainly a

2348
02:33:58.079 --> 02:34:01.840
lot of pressure telling freelancher here,
why is everything in bargoed? Things are

2349
02:34:01.879 --> 02:34:05.319
embargoed because you want to generate a
like a wave of coverage. Yeah,

2350
02:34:05.319 --> 02:34:09.079
it's a moment. It's like at
the exact same time, pr is telling

2351
02:34:09.120 --> 02:34:11.639
a story, so you want the
story to start at a very specific point

2352
02:34:11.680 --> 02:34:15.559
in time, so you have control
of the narrative and to the point where

2353
02:34:15.600 --> 02:34:20.000
you want it to end. So
that is why embargo's control us. Okay,

2354
02:34:20.280 --> 02:34:24.959
I can't do this like ready to
go, Okay, let's do that.

2355
02:34:26.280 --> 02:34:28.879
Okay, So to say it actually
is in thatthic of deal, it's

2356
02:34:28.920 --> 02:34:30.959
just like right now we want to
talk about these games. It is kind

2357
02:34:30.959 --> 02:34:33.159
of nice to be able to have
like a little break, be like Okay,

2358
02:34:33.159 --> 02:34:35.719
I'll go home, maybe write it
bright something or make some videos about

2359
02:34:35.799 --> 02:34:39.239
Yeah. I think it's nice because
nobody's racing exactly, so so we can't

2360
02:34:39.319 --> 02:34:41.440
enjoy the event a little bit.
But it's like I saw some cool stuff

2361
02:34:41.440 --> 02:34:43.280
I want to talk about. Yeah, I mean covering is like a freelancer

2362
02:34:43.319 --> 02:34:48.440
for multiple different outlets. I it
saves my ass, seriously, like I

2363
02:34:48.719 --> 02:34:52.239
am. Otherwise I would be on
deadline for like tomorrow morning, with multiple

2364
02:34:52.280 --> 02:34:56.000
different publications covering different things. So
it helps me out at least. Cool.

2365
02:34:56.120 --> 02:34:58.559
Yeah, it's it's like you are
trying to do something in service of

2366
02:35:00.079 --> 02:35:03.680
a game, right, Like,
so any pr person only wants the best

2367
02:35:03.760 --> 02:35:07.280
for a game and wanted to perform
well, and so they craft a timeline

2368
02:35:07.559 --> 02:35:11.239
embargoes included so that that game can
be put in the best position possible to

2369
02:35:11.360 --> 02:35:15.159
perform and be able to you know, do well, and developers get paid.

2370
02:35:15.239 --> 02:35:18.760
Right. So who says the nasty
boys can't be educational? Right?

2371
02:35:18.360 --> 02:35:24.079
Very sorry to send back the bits. It's beautiful. I have been informed

2372
02:35:24.120 --> 02:35:26.239
by the boys in the sports center
truck that we do have slow motion replay

2373
02:35:26.319 --> 02:35:31.440
of all your faces? Is this
for really? You could do this?

2374
02:35:33.520 --> 02:35:35.879
You have the tech. All right, let's just go in order that we

2375
02:35:35.920 --> 02:35:39.760
did before we watch it, bed
okay, wants all right? Perfect?

2376
02:35:39.799 --> 02:35:48.399
All right? Do we have like
some sports in our music? Yeah?

2377
02:35:48.319 --> 02:35:56.200
That's good stuff. I should have
tied up that. That was a pretty

2378
02:35:56.239 --> 02:36:07.600
good one in the stream. How
much can you fit in there? I'll

2379
02:36:07.639 --> 02:36:18.680
show you that's a chap and everybody, Oh lord, it did not feel

2380
02:36:18.760 --> 02:36:20.319
good and you really don't want this. Oh no, this is this is

2381
02:36:20.399 --> 02:36:24.920
great, This is incredible. Just
because it's just because it's nasty, it

2382
02:36:24.000 --> 02:36:31.440
doesn't mean it's not good. Jesse
mitigated. They're locked in there. I

2383
02:36:31.639 --> 02:36:35.840
feel like they're just going to be
burping for like the next three hours a

2384
02:36:35.879 --> 02:36:43.719
little bit. It's very good.
The Ken Dodge coming up next. Oh

2385
02:36:43.840 --> 02:37:00.719
I love that as it's like coming
back to reality when it stops. There's

2386
02:37:00.719 --> 02:37:03.280
a moment when you come back.
Yeah. Yeah, like you just zoom

2387
02:37:03.360 --> 02:37:05.399
back in. All right, we're
gonna get John's next hit, Okay,

2388
02:37:05.479 --> 02:37:13.000
yeah, bringing in that. Daddy
needs more Danilson my wedding, so like,

2389
02:37:13.879 --> 02:37:22.159
yeah, we go way back right, he's an officiat. That sucks.

2390
02:37:30.239 --> 02:37:41.040
Yeah, it looks like you got
blown up by fucking dynamite, like

2391
02:37:41.159 --> 02:37:43.479
you zoom back to really really is
like Charlie's like one more, please,

2392
02:37:43.559 --> 02:38:09.920
one more? Oh I Yeah.
We were like what little you saw in

2393
02:38:11.000 --> 02:38:13.159
the back room, and we're like
that would be fun. We didn't really

2394
02:38:13.200 --> 02:38:15.959
know what we're gonna do other maybe
hit me. We were like Hey,

2395
02:38:16.040 --> 02:38:18.200
Lego Harogson is going to get announced. Well, well, really upside for

2396
02:38:18.319 --> 02:38:22.000
that and so we got that.
Now it's just it's a new member of

2397
02:38:22.040 --> 02:38:24.520
the crew. What's it for.
There are no leaves around. We are

2398
02:38:24.520 --> 02:38:26.799
in the middle of l a.
You know what thing happens is this place

2399
02:38:26.840 --> 02:38:28.840
probably like has stuff like this,
and then there's like a like a napkin

2400
02:38:28.920 --> 02:38:33.639
on the ground and they're like,
let's just blow that out to the you

2401
02:38:33.719 --> 02:38:37.760
know exactly. Yeah, it's easy
to different nasty boys. What's the next

2402
02:38:37.799 --> 02:38:41.239
time y'all get together? You guys, you guys are playing that far ahead

2403
02:38:41.280 --> 02:38:43.559
or you just live in the moment. Honestly, a lot of our plans

2404
02:38:43.600 --> 02:38:46.559
come together last minute. If we're
being quite honest, I don't think all

2405
02:38:46.639 --> 02:38:54.520
of us were gonna be here until
Game Awards. Yeah, potentially we're are

2406
02:38:54.520 --> 02:38:56.559
a big one. Yeah, there's
a there's a there's a week fuckers ever

2407
02:38:56.639 --> 02:39:01.879
again, you know what? You
know what valid actually the same? Wow,

2408
02:39:03.079 --> 02:39:05.639
Charlie, Well, I love y'all. This is the one to see

2409
02:39:05.680 --> 02:39:09.280
you again live on stream. I
know. I mean, we try to

2410
02:39:09.319 --> 02:39:11.600
do an October thing. There's a
lot of our birthdays are in October and

2411
02:39:11.680 --> 02:39:13.879
we do like a string of those. So last year we had a big

2412
02:39:13.920 --> 02:39:18.360
trip and that was a lot of
fun. Uh so maybe maybe that maybe

2413
02:39:18.440 --> 02:39:22.120
December maybe an excess ye have?
Who knows? Pexis we're all getting together?

2414
02:39:24.760 --> 02:39:28.760
Up can come through this room right
now. Actually, John Carson and

2415
02:39:28.799 --> 02:39:33.879
I have beef. It might tear
the whole group apart. Do you mean

2416
02:39:33.319 --> 02:39:37.280
they are getting together? I really
want to have a Kendrick Drake beef with

2417
02:39:37.399 --> 02:39:41.040
like somebody, and you're the closest
one. Hey, fuck you, Charlie.

2418
02:39:41.280 --> 02:39:45.440
We'll say this is well for me
so that he could take him.

2419
02:39:45.440 --> 02:39:48.840
Don't worry. I'll say that.
One of the reasons I did want you

2420
02:39:48.879 --> 02:39:52.399
all out here is there is I
used to like look at other Crows and

2421
02:39:52.479 --> 02:39:54.440
may be like I would I want
to be a part of them and like

2422
02:39:54.479 --> 02:39:56.319
want to hang out with them.
And now I see you guys like finding

2423
02:39:56.360 --> 02:39:58.520
that with each other, and I'm
like, let's get them all together and

2424
02:39:58.600 --> 02:40:01.120
let people see that this is what
gaming could be, that everyone like can

2425
02:40:01.200 --> 02:40:03.360
find their people and hang out and
have a good time. So I just

2426
02:40:03.399 --> 02:40:07.399
want to say I love the Nasty
Boys. I'm glad that whenever I see

2427
02:40:07.440 --> 02:40:09.479
you all, you're all having it
together and having a good time. It

2428
02:40:09.559 --> 02:40:11.760
means a lot. You got to
keep doing your thing, all right?

2429
02:40:15.399 --> 02:40:16.680
Do we want to is there one
more chance in us before we get out

2430
02:40:16.680 --> 02:40:20.920
of here? D please hire them? Please? Hey, I don't want

2431
02:40:20.959 --> 02:40:26.680
to chat That with you all motherfuckers
is sponsored by the letters d Hi.

2432
02:40:28.239 --> 02:40:30.600
All right, that's gonna do it
for us. Then we're gonna get out

2433
02:40:30.639 --> 02:40:33.959
of here. We got two more
segments I think left two more. Thank

2434
02:40:33.000 --> 02:40:35.760
you, jan uh that they'll be
coming up very soon. Stick with us,

2435
02:40:37.079 --> 02:40:41.159
get back after this. Give It
Bomb, gi It Bomb, Giant

2436
02:40:41.360 --> 02:41:07.559
Bomb, Giant Bomb, Giant Bomb, Giant Bomb, Giant Bomb. It's

2437
02:41:07.799 --> 02:41:11.159
Giant Bomb. At Night Live,
Day two. I was gonna say Day

2438
02:41:11.159 --> 02:41:15.399
three, I've lost track. Day
two from near the end of our show.

2439
02:41:15.440 --> 02:41:18.239
We got at least two more starting
with this couch. I'm Jeff Gruff.

2440
02:41:18.239 --> 02:41:20.760
It's Giant Bomb. Let's start here
with Louise Blaine explain. How are

2441
02:41:20.760 --> 02:41:24.079
you doing very well? Thank you, Ja, thank you, thank you

2442
02:41:24.120 --> 02:41:26.920
for having me. Absolutely I'm better
here. Absolutely we got I'm sorry,

2443
02:41:26.920 --> 02:41:30.120
I forget you name. Knew it
was gonna happen this, we practiced before

2444
02:41:30.319 --> 02:41:33.479
Castro christ I knew what was going
to happen eventually. I'm glad it happened

2445
02:41:33.559 --> 02:41:37.040
right nowers and at least wanted to
forget their name for you. George Cruz

2446
02:41:37.040 --> 02:41:41.479
Alvarez, how you doing, hello, video games dot Com? They're calling

2447
02:41:41.600 --> 02:41:43.239
here you go, Oh my gosh, absolutely, yeah, there you go.

2448
02:41:43.440 --> 02:41:48.159
Zena saga too? Is that what? Get out of here with that?

2449
02:41:48.799 --> 02:41:50.319
John Warren, how's it going.
It's going great. I'm glad to

2450
02:41:50.399 --> 02:41:56.360
be back in Los Angeles, the
best city in the world, Los Angeles.

2451
02:41:56.520 --> 02:41:58.360
I am tired of the slander.
It's all right. All week I've

2452
02:41:58.440 --> 02:42:01.920
heard everyone's saying, and it'll stay
two miles Rady. It's going like,

2453
02:42:03.239 --> 02:42:05.319
oh, this is not a very
good city. It's a great city,

2454
02:42:05.799 --> 02:42:09.799
this area. It's true. It's
yeah, you know, watch so bad

2455
02:42:09.840 --> 02:42:13.479
it because we're all here, that's
true. No one else is complaining.

2456
02:42:13.520 --> 02:42:18.200
Maybe we're the problem. Randy Vincent, how's it going? All right?

2457
02:42:18.200 --> 02:42:20.959
It's good. I'm glad you're back. How many times do you know?

2458
02:42:22.040 --> 02:42:24.440
Can you remember off the top of
your head? This might be five,

2459
02:42:24.600 --> 02:42:26.760
might be five, So you're on
the five timers club. That was the

2460
02:42:26.840 --> 02:42:33.440
most wonder I wish you alt where
is Yeah, he'll know, absolutely and

2461
02:42:33.479 --> 02:42:37.079
then Brian's saying, how's it going? Best for last and great? Thanks?

2462
02:42:41.319 --> 02:42:43.879
How's everyone feeling. It's been a
good show. Everyone's having a good

2463
02:42:43.920 --> 02:42:46.000
time. Yeah, thumbs up.
Really good. He's so exciting. Yeah,

2464
02:42:46.040 --> 02:42:50.079
I mean you had that new announcement
Bloomhouse. It is Bloomhouse, right,

2465
02:42:50.319 --> 02:42:52.959
Blumhouse, Blumhouse House. All right, games, we got to show

2466
02:42:54.000 --> 02:42:56.920
what we've been working on for what
feels like forever, and everyone's really excited.

2467
02:42:58.040 --> 02:43:01.120
So we're happy. It's it's it's
been really quick to you. You

2468
02:43:01.159 --> 02:43:03.959
have to announce it, announce the
project, announce what you're doing, and

2469
02:43:03.040 --> 02:43:07.239
then you've been showing up games as
well, multiple games. That seems like

2470
02:43:07.280 --> 02:43:09.520
a pretty big effort. How did
that go? Yeah, it's I mean

2471
02:43:09.760 --> 02:43:11.879
everyone, I think we're expecting maybe
one game. Everyone was expecting maybe the

2472
02:43:11.920 --> 02:43:18.159
Purge game or something like that.
Instead, we've revealed six indie really interesting

2473
02:43:18.239 --> 02:43:20.959
creates projects, one of which is
Feel the Spotlight. Obviously that's why Brian

2474
02:43:20.000 --> 02:43:24.040
and christ are here, and that's
coming later this year. So the fact

2475
02:43:24.079 --> 02:43:26.520
that we get to immediately say six
games coming out and here's one you can

2476
02:43:26.559 --> 02:43:30.040
play, and it's going to be
this year, so we're really really excited

2477
02:43:30.079 --> 02:43:33.879
and everyone has been. Everyone wants
more horror, so that like everyone loves

2478
02:43:33.920 --> 02:43:35.920
it. My understanding, did you
used to work with Tam and Lucy?

2479
02:43:37.239 --> 02:43:39.520
Yes? I did. Did I
mention that maybe you've been in a horror

2480
02:43:39.559 --> 02:43:43.120
for quite some time? I go
space tattoo means I saw Scream far too

2481
02:43:43.159 --> 02:43:46.719
young then, So, yeah,
what do you think the gaming space needs

2482
02:43:46.760 --> 02:43:50.840
from horror games right now? Because
it seems like clearly it's a space with

2483
02:43:50.879 --> 02:43:54.600
a lot of experimental games happening.
It seems like you guys are working with

2484
02:43:54.719 --> 02:43:56.440
even more of that kind of stuff. Yeah, So I mean, no

2485
02:43:56.520 --> 02:43:58.879
one say ndie horror and endie games
generally obviously are thriving. But I think

2486
02:44:00.000 --> 02:44:03.719
people maybe have a specific idea of
what a horror game is, and we

2487
02:44:03.840 --> 02:44:05.920
kind of want to broaden that.
So horror has so many different subgenres.

2488
02:44:07.000 --> 02:44:09.360
You can have your Blumhouse movies have
different subgenres. You've found footage, your

2489
02:44:09.360 --> 02:44:13.239
folk horror of that, and we
kind of want to bring that to games.

2490
02:44:13.319 --> 02:44:15.639
So we just want to expand what
people think of a horror game.

2491
02:44:15.719 --> 02:44:18.399
I love the idea of people thinking
that they wouldn't play a horror game playing

2492
02:44:18.440 --> 02:44:22.239
one of ours and loving it.
And I think that's what for the Spotlight

2493
02:44:22.360 --> 02:44:24.920
especially does it's quite it's quite gentle, and so I mean it's terrifying,

2494
02:44:26.079 --> 02:44:30.319
but it also it's good for people
who maybe aren't are new to the genre.

2495
02:44:31.639 --> 02:44:33.799
So when you guys are out there
trying to find these games, is

2496
02:44:33.840 --> 02:44:35.840
there a key to make sure that
you find the ones that are going to

2497
02:44:35.879 --> 02:44:37.719
really pop off? You know,
I don't think there's a I think actually

2498
02:44:37.840 --> 02:44:43.040
is a huge scope. It's just
being in horror and being different. So

2499
02:44:43.159 --> 02:44:46.680
that think what we showed off.
You know, we've got farming sim that

2500
02:44:46.040 --> 02:44:48.440
has plenty of murder in it.
Yeah, You've got the first person shows

2501
02:44:48.520 --> 02:44:52.959
where you're using your app, we're
using your own blood as ammunition. You've

2502
02:44:52.000 --> 02:44:56.600
got an interesting simulation, meta narrative
game about video games. So it's all

2503
02:44:56.639 --> 02:45:01.360
of these different directions and as long
as they're playing the horror Zone or Sandbox,

2504
02:45:01.879 --> 02:45:03.440
then we're excited by it. I
mean, And that is what I

2505
02:45:03.559 --> 02:45:07.760
like imagine from the audience that wants
horror games is they're like, yes,

2506
02:45:07.920 --> 02:45:13.120
we like the gruesomeness of it all, but we are also multifaceted. We

2507
02:45:13.200 --> 02:45:16.040
have other interest So having a farming
sim that has murder in it, that

2508
02:45:16.120 --> 02:45:20.719
it's also in our wheelhouse that we're
finding. Yeah, I think horror has

2509
02:45:20.120 --> 02:45:24.600
horror is huge. Horror is whether
you're reading a ghost story and you close

2510
02:45:24.639 --> 02:45:26.079
it and you turn off the light
and you're afraid. And I love the

2511
02:45:26.159 --> 02:45:31.280
idea of anyone finding different things to
be afraid of in our games and finding

2512
02:45:31.319 --> 02:45:33.360
those and going, oh, this
is amazing, And I still want to

2513
02:45:33.440 --> 02:45:37.280
keep playing because I think when people
think horror games, they think maybe pt

2514
02:45:37.399 --> 02:45:39.520
and they like, that's the most
terrifying thing. I could never play that.

2515
02:45:39.879 --> 02:45:43.399
But of course there's so many other
different ways that you can experience horror.

2516
02:45:43.600 --> 02:45:46.600
Yeah, that that's what we want
to embrace. And do you want

2517
02:45:46.639 --> 02:45:48.840
all the games to at least be
scarier? Can they just be kind of

2518
02:45:48.879 --> 02:45:52.239
like creepy or whatever? No,
they do not scary, creepy, eerie,

2519
02:45:52.479 --> 02:45:56.360
unnerving or comedic. I mean that's
one major thing that I love about

2520
02:45:56.399 --> 02:45:58.280
horror is you're scared one minute and
you laugh the next. Yeah, And

2521
02:45:58.360 --> 02:46:03.559
I think horror is great for embracing
all of those emotions and as long as

2522
02:46:03.600 --> 02:46:07.920
you're in that space somewhere, we
want we want to celebrate that. Do

2523
02:46:07.959 --> 02:46:09.760
you think that Blumhouse is going to
be able to bring the same kind of

2524
02:46:09.799 --> 02:46:13.600
idea about how they make films in
the gaming Is that an advantage? It's

2525
02:46:13.680 --> 02:46:16.520
exactly that. And I think,
you know, Blumhouse was built on really

2526
02:46:16.600 --> 02:46:20.559
interesting creative looks into horror, so
we're just taking that forward and looking into

2527
02:46:20.600 --> 02:46:24.319
games that way. And I think
that's what you know, it's what Jason

2528
02:46:24.360 --> 02:46:26.760
was saying on the stage yesterday,
that's what we want to really, we

2529
02:46:26.879 --> 02:46:31.360
want to really embrace and make some
really strange interesting We can take creative risks,

2530
02:46:31.440 --> 02:46:35.040
but they are indie and it's small, and that's the stuff where you

2531
02:46:35.159 --> 02:46:37.200
find like why am I playing this? I'm afraid and I can't stop.

2532
02:46:37.680 --> 02:46:41.399
Well, where are the expectations act? Because like I think I've been bringing

2533
02:46:41.479 --> 02:46:46.200
up when we talk about Blumhouse Private
Division, I think their expectations were so

2534
02:46:46.399 --> 02:46:50.159
high for gaming games having to be
this big even though they are technically indie,

2535
02:46:50.440 --> 02:46:54.159
Like it is the indie scope mean
that you have indie expectations or does

2536
02:46:54.200 --> 02:46:56.360
something have to be a hit to
make sense for you? No? And

2537
02:46:56.399 --> 02:47:00.079
I think that's why we can take
those risks because these are small. All

2538
02:47:00.079 --> 02:47:03.520
their budget projects, you know,
they don't all have to be heavy hitters.

2539
02:47:03.559 --> 02:47:07.959
But as long as we are exploring
interesting places and I think telling interesting

2540
02:47:09.079 --> 02:47:11.280
scary stories, that's what we want
to push the limits of scary storytelling and

2541
02:47:11.440 --> 02:47:16.159
find people people can play these games
who think, oh I didn't think I

2542
02:47:16.280 --> 02:47:18.840
was into that, and I am. And it's finding these fascinating hooks,

2543
02:47:20.120 --> 02:47:22.000
you know, it's finding these concepts
that people want to find out more about,

2544
02:47:22.159 --> 02:47:26.360
and whether that's in horror or not. I love that idea of just

2545
02:47:26.520 --> 02:47:28.600
bringing everyone in so we don't have
these you know, we don't have to

2546
02:47:28.680 --> 02:47:33.159
sell millions and millions of copies.
We just want to tell scary stories to

2547
02:47:33.200 --> 02:47:35.600
people that want to love them.
Yeah, in a couple of years,

2548
02:47:35.680 --> 02:47:39.000
do you expect people to be like
looking at a game and be like,

2549
02:47:39.159 --> 02:47:41.840
I bet this is a Blumhouse game, Like, will you be able to

2550
02:47:41.920 --> 02:47:43.399
establish a strong voice? I hope. So, I mean, I think

2551
02:47:43.440 --> 02:47:46.200
people have an expectation of what a
Blumhouse movie is. Yeah, And I

2552
02:47:46.360 --> 02:47:50.239
love the idea of people years don
language of course that's a Blumhouse scary because

2553
02:47:50.239 --> 02:47:54.159
that's something we want to lean into
too. People have expectations of what Blumhouse

2554
02:47:54.280 --> 02:47:58.559
is and now that they know that
we're not doing purge Megan, We're focusing

2555
02:47:58.600 --> 02:48:01.319
on these story I think people will
be like, oh, of course they've

2556
02:48:01.360 --> 02:48:07.239
released this, and I'm excited for
that. Yeah, Christa, there's a

2557
02:48:07.280 --> 02:48:09.520
lot of that, like rehe before
Refleck, how you feel about like maybe

2558
02:48:09.680 --> 02:48:13.799
cozy games things like that. No, Yeah, I think that's really true.

2559
02:48:13.959 --> 02:48:16.559
I think, yeah, it's interesting
that we're called cozy game pals,

2560
02:48:16.600 --> 02:48:20.280
but we're making a horror game.
Like I feel like Brian and I we're

2561
02:48:20.520 --> 02:48:24.159
the only two people on our team
and we make everything together, but we

2562
02:48:24.559 --> 02:48:28.120
are very multifaceted as well. Like
we like horror, we like games,

2563
02:48:28.440 --> 02:48:31.120
so I feel like we made a
horror game, but we still have a

2564
02:48:31.159 --> 02:48:33.319
lot of hard in it. We
have a lot of scary moments, but

2565
02:48:33.399 --> 02:48:37.319
we have a lot of like levity
in it as well. So it's just

2566
02:48:37.399 --> 02:48:39.280
like a lot of mixture of a
lot of things that we like. Yeah,

2567
02:48:39.559 --> 02:48:43.159
and it does feel like maybe being
smaller, having a smaller scope,

2568
02:48:43.440 --> 02:48:46.799
like you're saying, it creates more
opportunity to take risk, but more opportunity

2569
02:48:46.799 --> 02:48:52.200
to be multifaceted because something bigger has
to really nail its target, has to

2570
02:48:52.239 --> 02:48:56.000
be very honed down or else it
might not make sense. Do you feel

2571
02:48:56.040 --> 02:49:00.159
that freedom when you're making things?
Yeah, I feel like constraints make a

2572
02:49:00.239 --> 02:49:03.200
great space for creativity. Like,
because we are just two people, we

2573
02:49:03.360 --> 02:49:07.079
have to get all this art done
and we're all doing it by ourselves.

2574
02:49:07.120 --> 02:49:09.879
We have to figure out how we
can you know, get the max out

2575
02:49:09.920 --> 02:49:13.719
of the Like a little bit,
you know, goes a long way.

2576
02:49:13.840 --> 02:49:18.600
Yeah, what's the what's been like
so far? Like building the games and

2577
02:49:18.000 --> 02:49:22.239
like, how do you feel about
that process? That's been crazy? Yeah,

2578
02:49:22.319 --> 02:49:26.680
well it's been an interesting process because, yeah, Brian and I have

2579
02:49:26.840 --> 02:49:30.000
been working on Fear the Spotlight for
two years on our own, like just

2580
02:49:30.079 --> 02:49:33.719
on with our own money, Like
we took our savings and wanted to make

2581
02:49:33.879 --> 02:49:37.120
a game together, so we put
our jobs and started doing it. So

2582
02:49:37.200 --> 02:49:41.799
it's been a big passion project.
And then yeah, Blumhouse came along and

2583
02:49:41.079 --> 02:49:45.600
really wanted to help us out,
and so it's just like a dream partnership.

2584
02:49:45.639 --> 02:49:48.520
It's been like yeah, yeah,
when you guys we're working on this,

2585
02:49:48.600 --> 02:49:50.760
when you like, I did I
have an ad chance to play it?

2586
02:49:50.760 --> 02:49:54.239
But I did spot it over someone's
shoulder and it was like really eye

2587
02:49:54.319 --> 02:49:56.639
grant, like catching and it's just
like it looks messed up in all the

2588
02:49:56.719 --> 02:50:01.440
best ways, and how do you
sort of hone in on that. Ah.

2589
02:50:01.840 --> 02:50:07.120
It's interesting because I feel like the
retro esthetic has been such a great

2590
02:50:07.840 --> 02:50:13.479
thing for us, because we love
horror that is like you're not quite sure

2591
02:50:13.479 --> 02:50:16.879
if you saw something that was strange, and we feel like because it is

2592
02:50:16.079 --> 02:50:20.360
low fig with like the dither ring
and the darkness, you like kind of

2593
02:50:20.440 --> 02:50:24.680
see things in the corner of your
eye, and I feel like all that

2594
02:50:24.760 --> 02:50:28.239
adds up to the horror experience.
Yeah. And I'm someone who like still

2595
02:50:28.360 --> 02:50:31.719
really likes that aesthetic. And I
hear people say sometimes maybe it's a little

2596
02:50:31.719 --> 02:50:33.879
played out, but I don't feel
that when looking at your game when you're

2597
02:50:33.879 --> 02:50:35.520
making it. If you ever worry
about that or do you guys feel like

2598
02:50:35.639 --> 02:50:39.000
now this still feels very fresh.
No for us because we're excited about it.

2599
02:50:39.319 --> 02:50:43.520
Yeah, we really love it so
good. Yeah, George has things

2600
02:50:43.520 --> 02:50:46.280
with you good. I mean I
can't want to talk about as a huge

2601
02:50:46.280 --> 02:50:48.280
Harvan. I just want to keep
talking about Blumhose stuff. Yeah, to

2602
02:50:48.360 --> 02:50:52.959
your point, I guess I think
like horror in film has always benefited from

2603
02:50:54.079 --> 02:50:58.959
being like scrappy and taking risks and
doing a lot with like different budgets,

2604
02:50:58.000 --> 02:51:01.159
Like there are like your bigger horror
movies, but they're also like small stuff

2605
02:51:01.200 --> 02:51:05.399
that I mean throughout history, like
Nightmare on Elm Street, like stuff that

2606
02:51:05.520 --> 02:51:07.200
was small and then took off.
And so I was so excited when the

2607
02:51:07.200 --> 02:51:11.559
Blumhouse slate came out, like all
right, they're trying, they're taking bets

2608
02:51:11.879 --> 02:51:13.719
and they're like some of them are
smaller and they're not all like yeah,

2609
02:51:13.959 --> 02:51:18.040
it's so exciting and I can't wait
for her the Spotlight. I'm so excited.

2610
02:51:18.479 --> 02:51:22.000
But back to me, I'm doing
pretty good. So yeah, I

2611
02:51:22.040 --> 02:51:26.360
mean we had across a SGF and
day of the devs we had four new

2612
02:51:26.399 --> 02:51:28.440
reveals, so it's pretty good.
And we're here at play Days with a

2613
02:51:28.520 --> 02:51:33.520
Ranger role puzzling adventure. Yeah,
and the show's been good. We were

2614
02:51:33.600 --> 02:51:35.319
doing three days of SGF now huh, yeah, we're doing three days.

2615
02:51:37.079 --> 02:51:41.440
I'm not play Days on Saturday,
had a bunch of appointments and now we

2616
02:51:41.520 --> 02:51:43.159
got other stuff going on. But
it's like I'm glad. I am glad.

2617
02:51:43.200 --> 02:51:46.719
It's like feels like it's growing at
a modest pace. Yes, I

2618
02:51:46.840 --> 02:51:50.840
was so concerned because as somebody,
as a PR person who saw the press

2619
02:51:50.879 --> 02:51:52.520
list, I was like, are
we gonna fit all these people in this

2620
02:51:52.639 --> 02:51:56.520
building? But it's been It's still
chill, which I think is the strength

2621
02:51:56.559 --> 02:51:58.680
about this show, at least play
days for folks who aren't you know,

2622
02:52:00.120 --> 02:52:01.719
play days like it's just it's just
really chill. It feels like a bunch

2623
02:52:01.760 --> 02:52:05.959
of people having a cool house party
a little bit. Yeah, absolutely,

2624
02:52:05.000 --> 02:52:07.120
And it still feels that way even
with a bunch of even with a lot

2625
02:52:07.239 --> 02:52:11.079
more stuff. So yeah, yeah, it's and you've been. You were

2626
02:52:11.200 --> 02:52:13.200
last year, you were the year
before. We've been here to every play

2627
02:52:13.239 --> 02:52:16.840
days so far, so I can
feel I'm like one of those young people

2628
02:52:16.920 --> 02:52:20.159
who are like I went to every
evening. So it's been nice seeing it

2629
02:52:20.239 --> 02:52:22.280
grow. From the first one it
was like sixty ish people. It was

2630
02:52:22.399 --> 02:52:26.760
really closed and it was just it
was just the Again, these people at

2631
02:52:26.799 --> 02:52:30.440
home don't have any idea, but
it's just it was just play it plays

2632
02:52:30.520 --> 02:52:33.639
h two and now it's the whole
campus. So it's been cool to see

2633
02:52:33.680 --> 02:52:35.079
it grow. Yeah, I mean, so it is still serving what you

2634
02:52:35.120 --> 02:52:39.159
guys needed to do. I think
the biggest thing a lot of our because

2635
02:52:39.159 --> 02:52:41.399
we work with a lot of small
teams, a lot of indie teams.

2636
02:52:41.479 --> 02:52:46.159
Like I cannot speak enough good things
about what Day of the Devs does,

2637
02:52:46.879 --> 02:52:52.319
Like it gives all our all these
independent teams a booth uh and some pr

2638
02:52:52.360 --> 02:52:56.159
support and to you know, be
able to be part of the Summer Game

2639
02:52:56.399 --> 02:52:58.680
conversation. That sounded really marketing.
I'm sorry, but you know, just

2640
02:52:58.719 --> 02:53:03.840
to get attention. So yeah,
I mean there was that Esquire piece on

2641
02:53:03.000 --> 02:53:05.840
Jeff and Uh. I think a
big thing that people don't know is that

2642
02:53:05.959 --> 02:53:11.319
like they the dev is like it's
life changing for a lot of independent teams

2643
02:53:11.399 --> 02:53:16.200
and they're showing games to the world
and then they would not have that opportunity

2644
02:53:16.239 --> 02:53:18.399
and that that goes through Jeff and
Summer Game Fest. So yeah, and

2645
02:53:18.520 --> 02:53:22.719
it feels like it's all like part
of this like a big hole where you

2646
02:53:22.799 --> 02:53:26.719
know, PlayStations here, Capcom's here, Vegas here, They're all kind of

2647
02:53:26.879 --> 02:53:30.719
drawing in a lot of attention.
Then everyone is spinning three days here and

2648
02:53:30.760 --> 02:53:31.959
they're going to try to see everything. So it's like everyally does feel like

2649
02:53:33.000 --> 02:53:37.000
it's raising some of the boats.
Yeah, yeah, one hundred percent.

2650
02:53:37.079 --> 02:53:41.680
I know people who got chosen to
be at Data Doves at this show and

2651
02:53:41.799 --> 02:53:46.920
it was pretty life changing. So
yes, yeah, it's great. Yeah,

2652
02:53:46.799 --> 02:53:50.600
when you are working with developers,
is this like one where you're like,

2653
02:53:50.959 --> 02:53:52.799
if you can get in the summer
game Fest, it's maybe the one

2654
02:53:52.840 --> 02:53:54.239
to be in. Or is it
this is Yes, this is the one

2655
02:53:54.280 --> 02:53:58.600
where we're like, we're trying our
best to like like we haven't revealed yet.

2656
02:53:58.639 --> 02:54:01.399
Let's try I revealed. Let's see
if we can get the attention of

2657
02:54:01.559 --> 02:54:07.239
like the people who's like the selection
committee. Ye to get our devs a

2658
02:54:07.319 --> 02:54:11.000
spot at the big show, and
also like to just meet other fellow devs.

2659
02:54:11.040 --> 02:54:15.239
That's the other thing. My one
critique about play days is I wish

2660
02:54:15.479 --> 02:54:18.799
we should have a day where all
the devs get to play each other's games,

2661
02:54:20.200 --> 02:54:24.920
because I want to play Spotlight and
so because we're just you know,

2662
02:54:26.079 --> 02:54:28.319
we gotta do our we gotta show
off our game. You know. Just

2663
02:54:28.479 --> 02:54:33.959
normalize abandoning your post for hour day. You know. Yeah. I do

2664
02:54:35.079 --> 02:54:37.360
walk past and sometimes that there's no
one there. I'm like, that's normal,

2665
02:54:37.399 --> 02:54:39.159
that's fine. I might just sit
down and start playing John Warren,

2666
02:54:39.239 --> 02:54:43.399
how's it going. It's good.
I'm glad to be here. This is

2667
02:54:43.440 --> 02:54:46.680
my first set. Shef in person, and oh fan bite that you have

2668
02:54:46.840 --> 02:54:56.120
this one, Hurt said, I
really appreciate really nice digs. I'm saying

2669
02:54:58.079 --> 02:55:01.319
a lot of free drinks. This
wee get into its fair yeahh So,

2670
02:55:03.120 --> 02:55:03.879
no, I'm here. I'm here
checking out a lot of stuff. I

2671
02:55:03.920 --> 02:55:07.879
feel like I've kind of feel like
the past eighteen months has been this kind

2672
02:55:07.879 --> 02:55:13.000
of murderer's row of triple A double
A indie stuff, and the next year

2673
02:55:13.040 --> 02:55:16.120
feels a little bit less like an
you know, a little less known.

2674
02:55:16.639 --> 02:55:20.760
And I actually I think that's really
exciting because it means that there's some stuff

2675
02:55:20.799 --> 02:55:24.920
that could bubble up to the surface
that really surprises us. And I've already

2676
02:55:24.920 --> 02:55:26.520
seen a few things, like since
I've been here and know I'm checking out

2677
02:55:26.520 --> 02:55:31.280
stuff tomorrow and Monday. That feels
really exciting in a way that feels different

2678
02:55:31.319 --> 02:55:35.440
than kind of the stuff that we've
known, you know. So yeah,

2679
02:55:35.639 --> 02:55:37.760
it's it's fun And like, are
you ready to talk about your new thing?

2680
02:55:37.799 --> 02:55:41.639
I know you've got the work.
So vgb's is a brand new website

2681
02:55:43.280 --> 02:55:50.159
on Tuesday. This Tuesday, I'm
staying it on a very public forum.

2682
02:55:50.280 --> 02:55:54.920
So I fucking hope it's true and
all right, And I took eighteen months

2683
02:55:56.000 --> 02:55:58.799
off from being in media, really
missed it. I have a podcast now,

2684
02:55:58.879 --> 02:56:03.680
Innicky Grayson, and you can check
it out thevgb's podcast. Have the

2685
02:56:03.719 --> 02:56:05.799
name of the podcast with Nikki as
well. Come on. Oh and if

2686
02:56:05.840 --> 02:56:09.159
you're driving, close your eyes.
Yeah, I listen to that podcast.

2687
02:56:09.639 --> 02:56:13.760
Listen. It's really funny. Go
listen to that. So, yeah,

2688
02:56:15.040 --> 02:56:18.600
I'm doing a lot of cool stuff. I'm in a hardware company. Really

2689
02:56:18.159 --> 02:56:22.440
yeah, Glider the feed thing I
remember, Yeah, right, yes,

2690
02:56:22.040 --> 02:56:26.000
so go to go to glider dot
g g g l y d R.

2691
02:56:26.760 --> 02:56:30.799
And I don't know why I'm doing
so much, but I am. But

2692
02:56:30.840 --> 02:56:35.879
I mean you said you missed media. Why. I think it's really important.

2693
02:56:35.000 --> 02:56:41.399
I think, like you criticism and
holding up a mirror to the industry

2694
02:56:41.440 --> 02:56:46.840
and the people who enjoy the games
that we play. We deserve to have

2695
02:56:48.040 --> 02:56:52.719
people who are passionate about this.
We deserve entities that aren't run by corporate

2696
02:56:52.799 --> 02:56:58.760
interests. And boy, like getting
out of the coil of Google Ads feels

2697
02:56:58.319 --> 02:57:05.399
really fucking important to me if we
want to have like a thriving journalism class.

2698
02:57:05.280 --> 02:57:09.959
So I feel like it's Uh,
it's not dead. No, let's

2699
02:57:09.959 --> 02:57:13.000
talk about how important it is because
a lot being in the PR side,

2700
02:57:13.000 --> 02:57:16.159
there's this sort of cynical point like
welcome to the other side, because a

2701
02:57:16.159 --> 02:57:20.840
lot of journalists come to PR.
Sure. Yeah, but like with these

2702
02:57:20.159 --> 02:57:24.159
without these institutions, I feel like, with the hell are we pitching to?

2703
02:57:24.360 --> 02:57:26.840
Who are we trying to get the
attention we need? Like we need

2704
02:57:26.879 --> 02:57:31.719
each other. Yeah, well,
y'all's echo chamber is just as silly as

2705
02:57:31.879 --> 02:57:35.319
our echo chamber because it's like,
we just saw what happened with Neil Drugman.

2706
02:57:35.760 --> 02:57:41.680
That was insane. Were that was
really internals? Yeah, and it's

2707
02:57:41.760 --> 02:57:46.360
like those people worked obviously very hard, but like what an avoidable silly situation.

2708
02:57:46.600 --> 02:57:52.159
So yeah, I really I I
want I won my site and other

2709
02:57:52.239 --> 02:57:54.280
sites like Giant Bomb and and uh, you know, you know, honestly,

2710
02:57:54.399 --> 02:57:58.319
even the entrenched IGN that staff is
as good as it has ever been

2711
02:58:00.040 --> 02:58:03.479
by far. I feel like they
lost some credibility years ago. I was

2712
02:58:03.559 --> 02:58:05.399
kind of like eh, and then
they got the best staff ever, so

2713
02:58:05.600 --> 02:58:11.719
it's ever been. You know,
we're actually doing good, but you know,

2714
02:58:11.440 --> 02:58:13.600
I fuck all the people that don't
want us to be doing Yeah,

2715
02:58:13.719 --> 02:58:16.520
but we guys, just keep doing
what we're gonna do. And that's why

2716
02:58:16.520 --> 02:58:18.799
I'm glad you're starting up your What's
like, what's the angle? How do

2717
02:58:18.799 --> 02:58:24.520
you approach it? Now? The
angles me pouring money into something that won't

2718
02:58:24.520 --> 02:58:28.079
make anything back. So I think
that's how it's gonna have to go.

2719
02:58:28.399 --> 02:58:35.239
It's publicly available, so it's not
paywalled, so premium stuff like bonus episodes

2720
02:58:35.280 --> 02:58:39.200
of podcasts. You get some stuff
early if you do subscribe. But you

2721
02:58:39.280 --> 02:58:43.399
know, it's like I wrote my
mission in a fever dream like a week

2722
02:58:43.440 --> 02:58:46.559
ago, and it's all about covering
the people we make games. The business

2723
02:58:46.600 --> 02:58:54.000
practices that affect them are collective nostalgia
and these sacred headspaces and the perspectives that

2724
02:58:54.200 --> 02:58:58.520
challenge those headspaces. And it's like, I don't know, it's I don't

2725
02:58:58.520 --> 02:59:01.399
know. I love written word.
I'm missing that a bit too. So

2726
02:59:03.360 --> 02:59:05.760
I'm excited to launch it. And
we've already got a great community on discord

2727
02:59:05.840 --> 02:59:09.479
and stuff. So check out the
website. We'll launch on Tuesday's excellent,

2728
02:59:09.639 --> 02:59:13.639
Yeah, gradual, congratulations, Yeah
for real, Ramy Vincent, how's it

2729
02:59:13.639 --> 02:59:16.120
going, man, It's good at
watching the media site earlier on Tuesday.

2730
02:59:18.680 --> 02:59:24.879
It's earlier, but that's fine.
I'm glad you're back. How you feel

2731
02:59:24.879 --> 02:59:26.840
about the video game industry right now? A year later, it's we talked

2732
02:59:28.120 --> 02:59:35.000
this time. Yeah, it's all
the lasses and course the I mean I've

2733
02:59:35.000 --> 02:59:37.680
been talking about, but all the
all the smaller stuff, the indie stuff

2734
02:59:37.680 --> 02:59:39.000
has been really been really cool to
see. Yeah, it's sort of like,

2735
02:59:39.600 --> 02:59:41.760
while all this terrible stuff is hapen's
a reminder, it's like there is

2736
02:59:41.840 --> 02:59:45.799
still so many, so many cool
things happening. Gaming is still so so

2737
02:59:45.959 --> 02:59:50.040
dynamic that it can still be something
special. Yeah, yeah, I agree.

2738
02:59:50.280 --> 02:59:54.200
Yeah. So I mean when you
are working on your stuff these days,

2739
02:59:54.319 --> 02:59:58.600
is it like does that get to
you or you just have to put

2740
02:59:58.600 --> 03:00:01.520
your head down? Does so just
like do the layoffs and everything like that

2741
03:00:01.520 --> 03:00:03.799
happening around you? Does it affect
your day to day? Yeah? No,

2742
03:00:03.879 --> 03:00:07.600
I just laugh. No, No, no, it's right. No,

2743
03:00:09.040 --> 03:00:11.440
it's a huge of a big because
you as that contracts, like like

2744
03:00:11.719 --> 03:00:16.280
you you don't want a situation where
people are only at the at the at

2745
03:00:16.280 --> 03:00:18.719
the job with you because they can't
go to the places like you want it

2746
03:00:18.799 --> 03:00:22.879
to. It's healthier when it's mobile, even if you're all sticking together,

2747
03:00:22.000 --> 03:00:24.360
right, because you're you're kind of
like a couple of years ago, it

2748
03:00:24.399 --> 03:00:28.200
really was like that everyone was able
to like go get any job they wanted

2749
03:00:28.239 --> 03:00:31.319
and the work where they wanted to. And now it's like the complete opposite.

2750
03:00:31.680 --> 03:00:33.639
Uh do you see it like equalizing
here in the next couple of years,

2751
03:00:33.719 --> 03:00:37.639
like where like things kind of settle
down a little bit. I look

2752
03:00:37.680 --> 03:00:39.399
forward to whatever is whatever, then
whatever they're side of it, like what

2753
03:00:39.440 --> 03:00:43.159
whatever it looks like, and if
if it's a lot more smaller stuff,

2754
03:00:43.159 --> 03:00:46.159
if it's if it's whichever, I
just look forward to people not being as

2755
03:00:46.479 --> 03:00:48.680
worried. Yeah, are you still
happy working in the triple A space?

2756
03:00:48.760 --> 03:00:52.920
Is that still like where you want
to be? Yeah, it's it's good

2757
03:00:52.959 --> 03:00:56.719
having them having having health care,
Yes, have a bit of it.

2758
03:00:56.840 --> 03:01:03.479
It's it's uh, it's good having
having that firepower is as long as you

2759
03:01:03.959 --> 03:01:09.840
if you're using it the right way, like having those resources backing you can

2760
03:01:09.920 --> 03:01:13.719
really good as long as you're not
falling into being wasteful with it or right

2761
03:01:13.799 --> 03:01:18.079
all that video, Yeah, there's
definitely space for being being creative. Yeah,

2762
03:01:18.120 --> 03:01:22.440
for sure, Brian. Uh,
you know you guys are showing up

2763
03:01:22.440 --> 03:01:24.520
your game this week. What's that
experience been like for you? That's been

2764
03:01:24.680 --> 03:01:31.319
unreal? Man. We were kind
of nobody's so it feels like, you

2765
03:01:31.360 --> 03:01:33.840
know, first Blumhouse discovered us,
you know, a little while ago,

2766
03:01:33.920 --> 03:01:37.280
and now they're kind of sharing us
with the world and people are seeing us

2767
03:01:37.360 --> 03:01:43.360
and responding to our game through the
spotlight, and it's just unbelievable. Man.

2768
03:01:43.479 --> 03:01:46.319
Like, not only is like the
reception to Blumhouse and their whole state

2769
03:01:46.760 --> 03:01:50.719
being received so warmly, but to
our game in particular, which is going

2770
03:01:50.799 --> 03:01:56.000
to be like the first Blumhouse game
to be released. People are like actually

2771
03:01:56.000 --> 03:02:00.360
getting to play here at the at
Summer Game Fest and they're react and it's

2772
03:02:00.399 --> 03:02:05.879
just like unexpected, Like, I, you know, we just we left

2773
03:02:05.920 --> 03:02:09.040
our jobs just because we wanted to
like do our thing, see if we

2774
03:02:09.079 --> 03:02:13.600
could make a thing. Yeah,
and we never would have guessed that anyone

2775
03:02:13.639 --> 03:02:16.360
would actually care. And to see
that, like so many people care and

2776
03:02:16.520 --> 03:02:20.719
like a lot of people are resonating
like deeply, Like people are saying,

2777
03:02:20.799 --> 03:02:22.120
oh, this is the game for
me, Like this is my game.

2778
03:02:22.680 --> 03:02:26.879
It's it's a while. Do you
feel does that make you feel pressure?

2779
03:02:28.319 --> 03:02:33.440
No, it makes me feel validated. What we're doing is worthwhile, and

2780
03:02:33.600 --> 03:02:39.239
we're being supported and like Blumbhouse is
cool with it. You know, they're

2781
03:02:39.319 --> 03:02:43.840
saying, like, whatever we want
to put into our game and the us

2782
03:02:45.000 --> 03:02:50.760
that we're putting into our game is
worthwhile. What was it like when you

2783
03:02:50.879 --> 03:02:56.319
two connected? Like how does that
find? We saw through a person on

2784
03:02:56.360 --> 03:03:00.959
Twitter talking about the game, and
then Zach the prison at Blumhouse Games and

2785
03:03:01.079 --> 03:03:03.440
I both played it and we sat
next to each other while playing it,

2786
03:03:03.760 --> 03:03:07.280
and it's that lovely thing of sitting
next someone. You're playing the same game,

2787
03:03:07.280 --> 03:03:09.799
you're getting excised about the same things. And there's so much about for

2788
03:03:09.959 --> 03:03:15.959
the Spotlight that's just that everyone is
connecting with. They're connecting with incredible characters,

2789
03:03:16.000 --> 03:03:20.000
they're connecting with incredible atmosphere, really
really compelling narrative. There's a great

2790
03:03:20.079 --> 03:03:24.959
mystery to it. And but also
what we really love is while it's referencing

2791
03:03:26.200 --> 03:03:30.040
everything that we love from sort of
nineties experiences, it's very much its own

2792
03:03:30.079 --> 03:03:33.479
thing. It's very much a modern
game. There's very tactile gameplay, it

2793
03:03:33.639 --> 03:03:35.920
feels really good to play, and
there's just so many layers of it.

2794
03:03:37.120 --> 03:03:41.479
And it's also it's an incredible nineties
teen horror. And you know the trailer

2795
03:03:41.559 --> 03:03:45.000
that we showed at Day of the
devs, it is a teen horror trailer

2796
03:03:45.079 --> 03:03:48.040
because it's just that's exactly what it
is, and that's why people connect.

2797
03:03:48.120 --> 03:03:50.000
And you know, someone today said, I think this connects with me in

2798
03:03:50.079 --> 03:03:54.600
seventeen thousand ways that I'm happy with
that, and like it's because these guys

2799
03:03:54.719 --> 03:03:58.319
just put so much of their own
it's it is yours, And I think

2800
03:03:58.360 --> 03:04:05.920
the best horror stories are human because
it's fear and the unknown is the human

2801
03:04:05.000 --> 03:04:09.479
experience, and that's what needs to
translate into our horror games, and that's

2802
03:04:09.520 --> 03:04:13.600
what Fear the Spotlight does. So
sharing that with Zach and then speaking to

2803
03:04:13.719 --> 03:04:18.280
you both and just just finding out
how how passionate you were and how this

2804
03:04:18.479 --> 03:04:20.959
was your baby was just the best
thing. And that's why taking this forward

2805
03:04:22.040 --> 03:04:26.040
and showing the world is so exciting
is so lovely, and why the feedback

2806
03:04:26.200 --> 03:04:31.840
is so exciting because it's just it's
your story. It's amazing. It feels

2807
03:04:31.840 --> 03:04:35.440
like it's like for as ingrained in
gaming as horror is, like I don't

2808
03:04:35.639 --> 03:04:39.040
think of a lot of like teen
horror games, games that would describe describe

2809
03:04:39.079 --> 03:04:43.200
as teen horror. Is that like, oh fertile ground when you see something

2810
03:04:43.239 --> 03:04:45.520
like that, Like we can really
work with this. I mean, it's

2811
03:04:45.600 --> 03:04:46.760
just it's also very Blumhouse. Yeah, you know, we looked at with

2812
03:04:46.840 --> 03:04:52.399
like this feels like us. There's
references to scare movies and it's just it's

2813
03:04:52.479 --> 03:04:56.479
in its DNA. These I mean, Brian Crystal love horror and they wanted

2814
03:04:56.600 --> 03:04:58.600
to do I mean, tell the
world where you know your inspiration for this

2815
03:05:00.360 --> 03:05:03.000
was because of your love of horror, right, yeah, really, we

2816
03:05:03.120 --> 03:05:07.760
love horror so much that we want
to force our friends who don't like horror

2817
03:05:07.840 --> 03:05:11.280
to horror. So this is like
our like we swear like there's no jump

2818
03:05:11.319 --> 03:05:15.319
scares, it's not too extreme,
like you can play it, go ahead

2819
03:05:15.319 --> 03:05:18.879
and try it. Yeah, so
be it being able to go on Switch

2820
03:05:18.959 --> 03:05:22.040
and everything. I think, like
most of my friends play games on Switch

2821
03:05:22.040 --> 03:05:24.559
and they don't play on Steam.
So I feel like the stuff that Bloombers

2822
03:05:24.680 --> 03:05:26.680
is helping us do will just like
make it more accessible to the people that

2823
03:05:26.799 --> 03:05:31.760
we're trying to make this game for. And I guess you left your jobs

2824
03:05:31.799 --> 03:05:35.040
to try to make something like what
was the impetus there, like other than

2825
03:05:35.120 --> 03:05:37.440
just wanting to make something like how
do you actually get over that hump and

2826
03:05:37.479 --> 03:05:43.680
believe you can? Let's talk about
eight years of hype hiving up and then

2827
03:05:43.760 --> 03:05:48.799
this thing called the global pandemic shut
down and everyone reevaluated what their life is

2828
03:05:48.440 --> 03:05:52.879
that happened. So we're like,
okay, what do we want in life?

2829
03:05:52.559 --> 03:05:56.399
We want kids? Well we're married, by the way I heard,

2830
03:06:01.840 --> 03:06:05.319
so we're like, okay, we
want kids, and we want to try

2831
03:06:05.440 --> 03:06:09.719
making our thing. We like,
we had creative jobs, working at bigger

2832
03:06:09.760 --> 03:06:13.920
studios, working on other people's projects, so we're like, want to see

2833
03:06:13.000 --> 03:06:18.440
can we actually make our thing?
And so Chris, they got pregnant,

2834
03:06:18.559 --> 03:06:22.360
We quit our jobs, we had
a baby, and we started making things

2835
03:06:24.639 --> 03:06:28.639
exactly in hindsight, we would do
exactly the same thing. How can we

2836
03:06:28.719 --> 03:06:37.639
get playing? Come on? Terrified? Yeah? So like what was like

2837
03:06:37.719 --> 03:06:39.360
the next steps? Like how were
you able to like actually see it through

2838
03:06:39.440 --> 03:06:43.840
and believe that it was going to
work out? Well? So the nice

2839
03:06:43.879 --> 03:06:46.680
thing was we didn't have to believe
it would work out. At the time,

2840
03:06:48.440 --> 03:06:52.079
jobs were plentiful, and so we
were thinking, well, if this

2841
03:06:52.159 --> 03:06:56.280
doesn't work out, we can go
get jobs again. So we left our

2842
03:06:56.360 --> 03:07:00.280
jobs. We had some savings and
we're like, let's give it a shot,

2843
03:07:00.479 --> 03:07:03.000
like we give ourselves two years.
We actually worked on this game alone

2844
03:07:03.079 --> 03:07:05.559
for two years, just doing our
thing to see if we, like you,

2845
03:07:05.639 --> 03:07:09.840
were taking from your savings during this. Yeah, completely self funder,

2846
03:07:09.920 --> 03:07:13.600
our own time, our own money. And last year we actually released a

2847
03:07:13.680 --> 03:07:18.440
version of this game. We thought
we were done with it. Well we

2848
03:07:18.479 --> 03:07:22.159
were kind of out of money too, and we released it and we are

2849
03:07:22.399 --> 03:07:24.959
starting to get some really good reception, like the people that we're finding it,

2850
03:07:26.079 --> 03:07:28.600
we're loving it, and so we're
like, I guess marketing starts.

2851
03:07:28.719 --> 03:07:33.440
Now, that's not how marketing works. Apparently that's what we tried. We

2852
03:07:33.520 --> 03:07:37.239
started trying to find people and reach
out and that's when Blumhouse discovered us,

2853
03:07:37.440 --> 03:07:41.360
and they pretty much they reached out
with a very open offer like we love

2854
03:07:41.399 --> 03:07:45.319
your game, like how can we
help, and we just started chatting from

2855
03:07:45.360 --> 03:07:48.680
there. Yea. Yeah, is
that where you imagine yourself usually coming in

2856
03:07:48.840 --> 03:07:50.360
like ready to catch people who have
something good? No, I mean,

2857
03:07:50.399 --> 03:07:54.399
this was just we're just looking for
stories that connect, and I mean Blumhouse,

2858
03:07:54.440 --> 03:07:58.200
we didn't intend to start releasing games
this year, but you know,

2859
03:07:58.520 --> 03:08:01.760
you find something and suddenly go,
right, what can we do? And

2860
03:08:01.840 --> 03:08:05.000
the fact that Fear the Spotlight was
in the you know, it was released,

2861
03:08:05.040 --> 03:08:09.120
it was out there, but also
what we gave the chance for you

2862
03:08:09.200 --> 03:08:11.399
could dive back in. They've gone
back in, They've made changes they want

2863
03:08:11.440 --> 03:08:15.200
to change, and added new content
as well, so people who played it

2864
03:08:15.319 --> 03:08:20.000
last year will get to experience it
again, but with added story content and

2865
03:08:20.200 --> 03:08:24.520
extra hours there. So it's going
to be an enriched experience for everyone.

2866
03:08:24.680 --> 03:08:26.600
So that I mean, we see
games all stages, you know, the

2867
03:08:26.680 --> 03:08:30.639
ones that were part of our slate
are all stages. You know, it's

2868
03:08:31.479 --> 03:08:33.000
and right now, you know,
we're just excited that people can play a

2869
03:08:33.040 --> 03:08:37.120
Blumhouse game this year. Yeah,
is there like a vision about like,

2870
03:08:37.120 --> 03:08:39.840
oh, we're gonna have so many
games a year or is it just going

2871
03:08:39.920 --> 03:08:43.399
to kind of take it as it
comes. Well, we you know we're

2872
03:08:43.479 --> 03:08:46.639
going to be over the next few
years. Those the games that you saw

2873
03:08:48.159 --> 03:08:52.639
yesterday, like six games, six
games. We don't do anything by halves

2874
03:08:54.200 --> 03:08:56.159
watching people watching people think that it
was going to be just one game,

2875
03:08:56.639 --> 03:09:03.000
but then suddenly being banged buying by
those live reactions were wonderful and we'll fuel

2876
03:09:03.079 --> 03:09:05.200
us for a long time, but
I think but yeah, the next few

2877
03:09:05.280 --> 03:09:09.200
years, that's what that's what we've
got coming, and there'll be more surprises

2878
03:09:09.239 --> 03:09:11.440
coming as well. We're not going
to stop here, George. You work

2879
03:09:11.479 --> 03:09:15.200
with a lot of developers, so
like, what are their stories like with

2880
03:09:15.360 --> 03:09:16.639
are a lot of them like,
hey, we just like put ourselves into

2881
03:09:16.680 --> 03:09:20.959
this and now we need help figuring
everything out. I mean, yeah,

2882
03:09:20.120 --> 03:09:24.040
Like there are folks who like are
fortunate enough to take the plunge and start

2883
03:09:24.559 --> 03:09:28.239
working on a game and then getting
far enough that maybe somebody notices them and

2884
03:09:28.319 --> 03:09:33.520
then they can keep on that journey. Yeah, oh yeah, I mean

2885
03:09:33.680 --> 03:09:37.920
it is like a lot of like
people do have to take the risk themselves

2886
03:09:37.440 --> 03:09:41.440
on their own at first. Now, yeah, or you want to go

2887
03:09:41.600 --> 03:09:45.840
try and get funding, I guess, but then usually that's people who are

2888
03:09:45.920 --> 03:09:50.600
more established who are have the luxury
of being able to get funding. But

2889
03:09:50.760 --> 03:09:54.879
yeah, yeah, do you do
you think that the getting funding is going

2890
03:09:54.959 --> 03:09:58.280
to get any easier? Do you
think that is something like when you have

2891
03:09:58.319 --> 03:10:03.079
these conversations with developers, like,
I mean, it's about right now,

2892
03:10:03.159 --> 03:10:05.600
it's not getting easier, but it's
got to be. It's got to be

2893
03:10:05.600 --> 03:10:07.959
a light at the end of the
tunnel. I feel it. It's it's

2894
03:10:09.479 --> 03:10:11.159
it's got to come in. It
is waves right, it's waves right.

2895
03:10:11.479 --> 03:10:15.239
And that's the thing about this show, and I think why it's so important,

2896
03:10:15.600 --> 03:10:18.840
like hearing your reaction to people seeing
the game, Like I think you

2897
03:10:18.879 --> 03:10:22.840
can get cynical, like do people
does do video games need a physical event?

2898
03:10:22.239 --> 03:10:24.920
Can't we just do Steam Nextfest and
just have it? The whole world

2899
03:10:26.000 --> 03:10:31.280
played the demos, But you feel
this emotion like just being around each other

2900
03:10:31.399 --> 03:10:35.959
and you're seeing Summer Gamefest show,
and I like, I think things are

2901
03:10:35.040 --> 03:10:39.920
gonna be okay. Like the people
here are so passionate, are making such

2902
03:10:39.000 --> 03:10:45.399
great things. The system right now
cannot support them. But surely if we

2903
03:10:45.600 --> 03:10:48.239
keep trying, and we keep trying
to do good and to entertain people and

2904
03:10:48.319 --> 03:10:52.600
to put stuff out there, hopefully
video games will love us back, right,

2905
03:10:52.600 --> 03:10:56.680
because that's what we all want.
We all love video games and we

2906
03:10:56.840 --> 03:11:01.319
desperately want the indus like, please
keep us safe and keep doing this thing.

2907
03:11:01.520 --> 03:11:07.120
Yeah, I hope it's I hope
it's soon. I know, like

2908
03:11:07.440 --> 03:11:11.879
I know a lot of studios that
the after GDC, the clock man now

2909
03:11:11.440 --> 03:11:16.399
no funding, it's over. So
you did you like ever talk to any

2910
03:11:16.440 --> 03:11:18.879
other like publishing outforts be for you
guys? Did it or it was like

2911
03:11:18.920 --> 03:11:20.680
no, we're gonna do it our
own way. Was there like a roadmap

2912
03:11:20.719 --> 03:11:24.440
you followed? No? I think
we just I mean, Zach Wood has

2913
03:11:24.479 --> 03:11:30.760
always been clear that it's just about
our finding the right stories, you know,

2914
03:11:30.840 --> 03:11:33.159
And I think that that's through us. We're a very small team,

2915
03:11:33.559 --> 03:11:37.879
and it means that we get to
to be reactive. Like with Fear the

2916
03:11:37.920 --> 03:11:43.159
Spotlight, we don't have a roadmap
other than bringing stories from creative, talented

2917
03:11:43.239 --> 03:11:48.040
global partners and bringing those stories into
the into the spotlight every pun intended.

2918
03:11:52.000 --> 03:11:54.959
John, Uh, Let you know, just talk a little bit about like

2919
03:11:56.120 --> 03:11:58.520
what happened there at fan By,
Like wow, okay, sure, yeah

2920
03:12:03.159 --> 03:12:05.399
it was like eighteen eighteen months ago. Yeah, did you need that to

2921
03:12:05.719 --> 03:12:09.639
recover from being like hurt by that? Because I would have been I mean

2922
03:12:09.680 --> 03:12:13.840
I think I think hurt by it. Sure. But also, like the

2923
03:12:13.920 --> 03:12:18.159
thing I've reflected on and gotten really
serious with myself about is like what I

2924
03:12:18.239 --> 03:12:22.440
wanted to do over there was never
gonna fucking work with them, right,

2925
03:12:22.639 --> 03:12:26.159
It was never gonna work right I
want anyway? And that did it?

2926
03:12:26.200 --> 03:12:31.120
Anyway? Did it anyway until they
figured out who I was and they were

2927
03:12:31.200 --> 03:12:33.760
like, I guess you are who
you say you are, and then they're

2928
03:12:33.840 --> 03:12:39.040
like, where's let's just in the
whole thing. Yeah. Yeah, taking

2929
03:12:39.079 --> 03:12:43.399
that time was really good. I
think getting to know games again from a

2930
03:12:43.520 --> 03:12:48.799
really kind of deeply uncynical place,
yeah was good. I played a lot

2931
03:12:48.879 --> 03:12:52.559
of games in that eighteen months,
and I got kind of a love for

2932
03:12:54.079 --> 03:12:58.159
the craft again in a way that
was less about the x's and o's of

2933
03:12:58.319 --> 03:13:01.040
like, well, we got to
get this an no thing up on the

2934
03:13:01.120 --> 03:13:05.680
site, and we gotta make our
pure contacts happy, and that's what I

2935
03:13:05.719 --> 03:13:09.399
assume they wanted to turn you into. Well, I mean absolutely, I

2936
03:13:09.479 --> 03:13:13.479
mean we we had a lot of
those conversations, and I think like that

2937
03:13:13.680 --> 03:13:18.399
job made me cynical, and it
made me really kind of hate the whole

2938
03:13:18.479 --> 03:13:22.239
thing. But I loved who I
worked with so much that and I loved

2939
03:13:22.360 --> 03:13:26.120
the craft of it all in a
way that was like, Okay, this

2940
03:13:26.280 --> 03:13:33.719
is bigger than this shitty job.
So I yeah, no, that was

2941
03:13:35.120 --> 03:13:37.120
but but it was ever gonna work. I mean that was the thing that

2942
03:13:37.239 --> 03:13:41.840
was like revelatory and fun for me
to realize, like man, they really

2943
03:13:41.959 --> 03:13:46.120
let that go for a much longer
time than I feel like they probably should

2944
03:13:46.159 --> 03:13:50.799
have. So we really got away
with something and like I'm proud of that,

2945
03:13:50.159 --> 03:13:54.799
and you know, so it's good. Was it was it fun to

2946
03:13:54.000 --> 03:13:56.719
be able to build a team like
did you? Did you? That's my

2947
03:13:56.799 --> 03:14:03.079
favorite thing to do. That's my
out My best quality as a professional is

2948
03:14:03.680 --> 03:14:05.479
scoping that talent, finding it,
giving them the one way to do what

2949
03:14:05.559 --> 03:14:09.200
they want to do is the only
part of this whole thing that I'm like,

2950
03:14:09.639 --> 03:14:13.639
Yeah, I'm really good at that. So that was amazing and that

2951
03:14:13.760 --> 03:14:16.280
was fun and I want to do
that again. The thing with you know,

2952
03:14:16.399 --> 03:14:20.760
and Patrick Klepik you mentioned this yesterday
actually, but you know wrote a

2953
03:14:20.799 --> 03:14:24.120
great piece about at this morning,
Yeah, about how like you know,

2954
03:14:24.239 --> 03:14:30.559
now we're all small business owners and
like me being the weird MBA in the

2955
03:14:30.680 --> 03:14:35.440
industry, I'm kind of like we
live in hell, right, but we

2956
03:14:35.520 --> 03:14:39.360
can rule hell? Sure, Okay
if we want to. Sounds pretty nice

2957
03:14:39.920 --> 03:14:45.520
and because making it heaven is going
to be really hard, sure, but

2958
03:14:45.639 --> 03:14:48.639
we can rule hell in the meantime. Yeah, And I think there is

2959
03:14:48.760 --> 03:14:52.040
something kind of beautiful about like it
is shitty and cynical and weird to have

2960
03:14:52.120 --> 03:14:56.280
to like start a business and do
all the shit, but like take control

2961
03:14:56.360 --> 03:14:58.520
of it. If you have the
means, if you are a Patrick Klepic,

2962
03:14:58.559 --> 03:15:05.159
if you all are an aftermath that
has a cachet to grow that stuff,

2963
03:15:05.959 --> 03:15:09.600
take advantage of it. Start a
business. Like do it, because

2964
03:15:11.559 --> 03:15:13.959
if we're gonna sit around and wait
for it to get better, it's not

2965
03:15:13.000 --> 03:15:18.040
gonna fucking happen. Is there.
Do you think that we get to a

2966
03:15:18.079 --> 03:15:22.239
time where someone's like actually gonna be
able to make build a team again,

2967
03:15:22.319 --> 03:15:24.120
or is that those days behind us
being able to get money for aid corporation

2968
03:15:24.239 --> 03:15:30.120
to do that. Well, it's
not. I mean, the economics of

2969
03:15:30.200 --> 03:15:37.159
it are completely antithetical to infinite growth. It doesn't work. We cannot infinite

2970
03:15:37.200 --> 03:15:46.079
growth media. So you know,
if corporations and billionaires get comfortable with sustainability,

2971
03:15:46.600 --> 03:15:50.159
then sure, but they're not going
to So this is going to be

2972
03:15:50.319 --> 03:15:54.040
kind of a slow and steady wins
the race. Take on kind of teams

2973
03:15:54.079 --> 03:15:58.440
as you can. I would love
it if audiences kind of learned that.

2974
03:15:58.760 --> 03:16:03.959
You know, it is a new
time. You know, getting into ad

2975
03:16:05.000 --> 03:16:07.840
blocker is great, but now it's
time to put your money kind of behind

2976
03:16:07.680 --> 03:16:13.920
into Ty's like Giant Bomb or Aftermath
or Remap or VGBS or whatever the fuck

2977
03:16:13.959 --> 03:16:16.079
can. I feel like, you
know, the internet's going to turn so

2978
03:16:16.319 --> 03:16:20.959
bad that I feel like at a
certain point everyone's going to miss when things

2979
03:16:22.000 --> 03:16:24.399
weren't just what the Internet was exactly. Yeah. Yeah, I think we're

2980
03:16:24.440 --> 03:16:28.920
seeing a slow shift to that kind
of a return to forums and websites,

2981
03:16:30.000 --> 03:16:33.399
and it's going to be finding a
home on the Internet. Well, well,

2982
03:16:33.440 --> 03:16:35.760
come to the town square of the
Internet, right. I don't want

2983
03:16:35.799 --> 03:16:37.159
that anymore, you know, I'm
not watching this thing to go like,

2984
03:16:37.200 --> 03:16:41.200
oh, now we suddenly have a
million people, Like I'm really happy with

2985
03:16:41.280 --> 03:16:45.600
the one hundred people or whatever that
the discord before we launch, right,

2986
03:16:46.200 --> 03:16:50.840
So it's like having little communities is
great. I think it also works for

2987
03:16:50.920 --> 03:16:52.520
games the same way too. I
think it's kind of the same for everything.

2988
03:16:52.600 --> 03:16:56.159
You know, y'all aren't talking about
like, oh, we've got to

2989
03:16:56.200 --> 03:17:01.719
have like billion dollar franchises. You're
talking about taking risks on teams and putting

2990
03:17:01.840 --> 03:17:05.799
real stuff out there, and sustainability
is fine. And I think that's like

2991
03:17:07.600 --> 03:17:13.399
we're getting fed up with how things
are and I think it's it feels kind

2992
03:17:13.399 --> 03:17:16.079
of shitty, I get it,
but it feels kind of nice, honestly

2993
03:17:16.200 --> 03:17:20.879
to see some of my heroes in
the industry going, it's time to just

2994
03:17:22.000 --> 03:17:26.159
do this shit. Let's go.
So yeah, yeah, all right,

2995
03:17:26.200 --> 03:17:28.319
I think I'm gonna do it for
this segment, everybody, Thank you for

2996
03:17:28.440 --> 03:17:31.360
tuning in. We got one more
to go. We're gonna stick with you

2997
03:17:31.440 --> 03:17:33.040
for the rest of this night.
Thank you, everybody on the couch.

2998
03:17:33.079 --> 03:17:43.000
We'll be right back after this.
On camera there it is, welcome back

2999
03:17:43.040 --> 03:17:48.479
to Ig and Live. Let's wrap
this shit up, bunch, Jeff Crap

3000
03:17:48.600 --> 03:17:52.719
from Giant Bomb. I got a
bunch of idiots on a couch, some

3001
03:17:52.840 --> 03:17:56.639
more in a chair back there,
a whole crew starting here with Craig Miller.

3002
03:17:56.000 --> 03:18:07.600
Hello, everyone, how you doing
you? This is awesome website.

3003
03:18:11.079 --> 03:18:24.399
One guy who walks out from them, totally blessed daddy. Oh yeah,

3004
03:18:24.440 --> 03:18:26.440
Junior, why would you sit me
next to this man? I am so

3005
03:18:26.719 --> 03:18:28.440
sorry. I was, Oh my
god, get climbed. No control over

3006
03:18:28.559 --> 03:18:33.520
conditions. I can have there at
least what four other seat seconds on you.

3007
03:18:33.639 --> 03:18:39.280
You're very excited about all Xbox games
Starfield. I was so on the

3008
03:18:39.319 --> 03:18:43.680
way here that we're all gonna wear
the Xbox barmber Jackie that we got before

3009
03:18:43.719 --> 03:18:46.760
this and we all put it on
the show. We got your ass,

3010
03:18:46.520 --> 03:18:52.520
got you look at least candies.
Hello, everybody, Apparently it's National best

3011
03:18:52.520 --> 03:18:58.360
Friends Day. Mike has been reminding
me every every fucking It's a great day.

3012
03:18:58.440 --> 03:19:01.280
Everybody. Make sure to tag am
best friend out there, My best

3013
03:19:01.280 --> 03:19:07.200
friend Chuck. This a d Chuck
Chu Chuck, Chuck, Chuck, Chuck

3014
03:19:07.479 --> 03:19:18.360
Chuch. How's it going? Get
him? Get him? Yo? Hi?

3015
03:19:18.680 --> 03:19:24.959
He's how you doing? I'm all
right, the smallest kyri that's not

3016
03:19:24.159 --> 03:19:31.040
Mike and treating him as a second
cit. I can you be the toasty

3017
03:19:31.079 --> 03:19:33.239
guy for a second. Ye give
us a toasty that's a lower fit,

3018
03:19:33.280 --> 03:19:43.440
all right. I'm like Tim Getty's
has a go like that. I've been

3019
03:19:43.479 --> 03:19:48.000
looking forward to this all day and
I'm here. I'm scared me to you

3020
03:19:48.040 --> 03:19:50.440
know what I mean. I'm feeling
Me and Blessed are on a different level

3021
03:19:50.520 --> 03:19:56.200
compared to everywhere. Literally literally yeah
sure, yeah, you know Imron bless

3022
03:19:56.319 --> 03:20:01.600
me A he's a little fifty to
fifty. Well, I'm just like he's

3023
03:20:01.680 --> 03:20:05.479
fun sometimes but he's serious others.
I heard about it happened otherwise you should

3024
03:20:05.520 --> 03:20:09.120
be Yes, it's gonna get that
hand. Sorry, can't stop for one

3025
03:20:09.159 --> 03:20:13.479
second. Hand please, Jared Petty, they only got weird drinks over here.

3026
03:20:13.520 --> 03:20:16.360
Can you get me like a normal
beer? Like normal I think they

3027
03:20:16.479 --> 03:20:18.280
ran out of normal beer. Yeah, I'm thinking, yeah, thank you.

3028
03:20:20.799 --> 03:20:22.280
Now if the beers in the box
are all twisted teas or something,

3029
03:20:22.399 --> 03:20:43.959
I don't know, beer like trying
to get job as well, but want

3030
03:20:43.959 --> 03:20:46.079
to be out here. What are
we gonna do about these handshold? Can

3031
03:20:46.120 --> 03:20:50.799
you ask Andy Cortez about Mario Sunshine? Please? Andy Cortez, how good

3032
03:20:50.879 --> 03:20:54.399
is Mario's sun chowking about Ship us
and he knows it's so good man.

3033
03:20:54.479 --> 03:20:56.680
Everybody was right. Everybody was right. This game is perfect. I was

3034
03:20:58.280 --> 03:21:01.680
putting Antendo out of business, dude, call me Ship one of the best

3035
03:21:01.760 --> 03:21:09.799
platformers of all time, really,
one of the best of all times time.

3036
03:21:09.879 --> 03:21:15.239
Name ten platforms better than Super Mario
suns You know, sober Mario Yal'sya

3037
03:21:15.319 --> 03:21:20.200
Galxy too. Honestly, my world, there's a lot, look both three.

3038
03:21:22.079 --> 03:21:24.920
It's tough, maybe nine or ten. Yeah. I've been here in

3039
03:21:24.000 --> 03:21:26.799
Los Angeles for several nights now,
and I still don't know how it tastes.

3040
03:21:28.040 --> 03:21:30.959
That's my big concern right now.
I believe that there is a prime

3041
03:21:31.040 --> 03:21:33.600
that might be able to help me
solve this issue. Why is the lot

3042
03:21:35.239 --> 03:21:45.600
like Stevie wonder Jesus with the overheads? What you were expecting? The law?

3043
03:21:46.000 --> 03:21:48.280
All the Austin one, the guy
who was always an underhand I appreciate

3044
03:21:48.319 --> 03:21:56.680
it. You didn't say Austin w
w F So I get it all right?

3045
03:21:56.680 --> 03:22:01.639
All right, I'm not going to
taste bell of Los Angeles flavored a

3046
03:22:01.719 --> 03:22:03.959
specifices. You be a favorite like
baseball or Los Angeles. Pour it in

3047
03:22:05.000 --> 03:22:07.200
your mouth and so you can pour
it in my mouth. Okay, I'll

3048
03:22:07.239 --> 03:22:13.959
just readA brock. Oh now this
is this is more appealing. Oh you

3049
03:22:13.079 --> 03:22:22.639
love that mouth? I make pet? Why don't you so much? What's

3050
03:22:22.719 --> 03:22:28.040
wrong with you? Really? Good? Right away? Is it a good

3051
03:22:28.120 --> 03:22:31.719
job? Come on? I might
be a w W E superstar just like

3052
03:22:31.840 --> 03:22:37.879
Logan pod But that's good. That's
good. Last what is that? What

3053
03:22:39.040 --> 03:22:41.200
is that? I love? Logan? Paul? Go to w W Superstars

3054
03:22:41.239 --> 03:22:48.639
dot com. I'm on it.
Okay, is your stomach showing? Let's

3055
03:22:48.680 --> 03:22:50.920
wait listen this We're gonna get a
lot more of this. I'm sorry,

3056
03:22:50.959 --> 03:22:56.440
were not hanging out, not hang
should I gotta go back to Jeff Keeley's

3057
03:22:56.520 --> 03:23:01.959
camp and be like, oh man, give you another merit badge talking about

3058
03:23:03.000 --> 03:23:09.159
fucking games. Shiit far. There's
no character, he's working. He's superstar.

3059
03:23:09.440 --> 03:23:18.000
It's promo. You walked out.
Yeah, it sucks. He's gonna

3060
03:23:18.040 --> 03:23:24.680
run away. You are a superstar, right, that's right? You got

3061
03:23:24.760 --> 03:23:28.639
any action there happening right now?
Anything that people should know about, I

3062
03:23:28.719 --> 03:23:31.319
mean I always do. Maybe you've
heard of the number one is this camera

3063
03:23:31.559 --> 03:23:33.399
is fucking the rac focuses came out
of nowhere scared he's gonna come back.

3064
03:23:33.440 --> 03:23:35.840
You've heard of the number one show
on Peacock. This is awesome. You

3065
03:23:35.879 --> 03:23:39.879
can watch it right now. Season
three is happening. You don't feel like

3066
03:23:39.879 --> 03:23:41.440
a real art because you're not like
in any games or anything like that.

3067
03:23:41.639 --> 03:23:46.520
Right, that's incorrect. Last year
I was in w w T Craig Miller,

3068
03:23:46.959 --> 03:23:52.680
well just damn, just like Dave
Riker washed out at w's what you

3069
03:23:52.840 --> 03:23:56.799
washed out at w w E.
But before she watched out w A,

3070
03:23:56.959 --> 03:24:09.239
she said, you know what,
I've seen this and then I've seen man

3071
03:24:13.520 --> 03:24:16.000
that people look at and they say
that make me hold up an entire company,

3072
03:24:16.040 --> 03:24:20.239
whether it be I G or kind
of funny. Yeah, And they

3073
03:24:20.319 --> 03:24:24.479
said, look located the video.
I think he just checked my wife saying

3074
03:24:24.520 --> 03:24:31.799
can you put me in the game. I think that's what happens. Greg,

3075
03:24:31.280 --> 03:24:39.680
that's a big deal. Can You
would be surprised how many of the

3076
03:24:39.760 --> 03:24:43.280
video game things you love happening when
you just say, hey, please do

3077
03:24:43.440 --> 03:24:48.600
this about that heads up? Maybe
one day I'll be the missou Grand Marshall.

3078
03:24:48.680 --> 03:24:52.559
I emailed them the other day.
I said, please please excuse you,

3079
03:24:52.639 --> 03:24:56.680
Mike Manati to be the the steamboat
captain of Disney Lang. Is that

3080
03:24:56.760 --> 03:25:01.239
what that is? John a Jungle, Chris Skipper, Jeff Oh, I

3081
03:25:01.319 --> 03:25:07.600
really fucked up. Focus on Mike
Manady is hand wrapped. There is a

3082
03:25:07.600 --> 03:25:11.319
little risk. Hold my wrist.
The best thing I can do is keep

3083
03:25:11.360 --> 03:25:15.799
that made five hundred yards for every
school? All right? What I can

3084
03:25:15.879 --> 03:25:22.280
do for that? Whoa dude?
I was leading? I want to show

3085
03:25:22.319 --> 03:25:24.079
his card. He's got a card
that we have that you might have.

3086
03:25:24.159 --> 03:25:28.280
Set two K twenty three was a
fluke because Dan Record's wife worked out,

3087
03:25:28.520 --> 03:25:33.000
Oh, Greg, two K twenty
four. This week you can unlock Greg

3088
03:25:33.079 --> 03:25:39.799
Miller got it. This is it's
a low bar for all. This is

3089
03:25:39.879 --> 03:25:43.639
a shoot that's your shoot card.
Now here's the thing, late, that's

3090
03:25:43.639 --> 03:25:46.120
a real thing, that's a real
We say, shoot here, that's a

3091
03:25:46.159 --> 03:25:52.159
real thing. That's a real had
to break me and the chair now here

3092
03:25:52.399 --> 03:25:56.479
already? You want to break here? You said everything roosting. This is

3093
03:25:56.520 --> 03:26:01.600
a joke, nothing flower, Just
give me us a who's he calling?

3094
03:26:03.239 --> 03:26:07.520
That's the first thing I'm breaking now. I want to know, Andy,

3095
03:26:07.079 --> 03:26:11.360
do I ever lie? Never?
Do you think I thought about jumping off

3096
03:26:11.399 --> 03:26:15.239
of this couch onto that fucking lamp
like a spider? Money? Should I

3097
03:26:15.319 --> 03:26:16.959
move? You walked in? You
walked into my desk one time and said

3098
03:26:18.000 --> 03:26:22.760
I'm gonna set up on the desk. It's very expissive. Does he do

3099
03:26:22.840 --> 03:26:26.680
this there? Yeah? Literally,
Greg millers that we couldn't have wheels on

3100
03:26:26.799 --> 03:26:30.239
our chairs. We had to remove
the wheels and just put stoppers on.

3101
03:26:30.520 --> 03:26:33.639
Otherwise Craig would send it through any
wall. Now, much like Hamilton,

3102
03:26:33.719 --> 03:26:43.120
that's a real story. That was
a real look up to. Then met

3103
03:26:43.319 --> 03:26:48.239
doing whatever the hell it is you
doing? Money? Yeah, my favorite

3104
03:26:48.319 --> 03:27:01.280
rapper. That's a big fuck.
The big threes just big me. Listen,

3105
03:27:01.399 --> 03:27:05.639
ladies and gentlemen, John Bombster about
a lot of piggs. But I

3106
03:27:05.680 --> 03:27:07.840
don't know if it's coming back to
this. You know what, we need

3107
03:27:07.920 --> 03:27:11.879
daddy right now. And you know
who is the most daddy on this couch.

3108
03:27:11.959 --> 03:27:16.040
Not Greg Miller. It's snow By
Bike right right here. Did you

3109
03:27:16.120 --> 03:27:20.639
know I got Children's how to tell
you today? I actually don't, Andy,

3110
03:27:22.520 --> 03:27:24.760
Why do people think you have children? Who thinks you have children?

3111
03:27:24.879 --> 03:27:30.840
So mustache? You know, dad? Give them the full picture of what

3112
03:27:31.000 --> 03:27:33.879
well? You know, maybe some
Xbox execs maybe thought I and Gary Witten

3113
03:27:33.920 --> 03:27:39.520
were the same human being in southern
How are you and those children doing?

3114
03:27:39.559 --> 03:27:43.360
And I said, let me,
let me, let me so for those

3115
03:27:43.399 --> 03:27:50.920
aren't who aren't aware. Sarah Bond
a lovely Xbox exact, incredible human being

3116
03:27:52.079 --> 03:27:54.719
who we love and has been great
to us and has a lot of great

3117
03:27:54.719 --> 03:27:58.760
conversations, really great. Mikey's pumping
here like Chris Farley and that SNL skid

3118
03:27:58.479 --> 03:28:05.319
settler had come up to you multiple
times, a couple of times, multiple

3119
03:28:05.440 --> 03:28:13.440
times last year last year the couple
and said how are the kids? I

3120
03:28:13.520 --> 03:28:20.959
said, great. He's a giant
bomb fan and not a kind of funny

3121
03:28:20.000 --> 03:28:26.680
fan. I understand snow bike Mike
not only does not have kids, he's

3122
03:28:26.719 --> 03:28:33.799
not an adult. He is desperately
lonely. Rank in order of least adult

3123
03:28:33.840 --> 03:28:37.760
to most adult on this couch.
All right, at least adult is snow

3124
03:28:37.799 --> 03:28:45.120
bike like, wait, Maloney's here, John. That was really quick and

3125
03:28:45.200 --> 03:28:48.840
it's pretty messed up. Mike.
Last year, if we rewound, you

3126
03:28:48.000 --> 03:28:50.239
had your shoes off and your feet
were out. Mike, I think you

3127
03:28:50.319 --> 03:28:54.840
got to go back this year again. Let everythat let him out, let

3128
03:28:54.920 --> 03:29:03.399
him mount, take you my feet, the shoes off, take shoes caught

3129
03:29:03.440 --> 03:29:11.520
this thing? Yeah, shut up
today he looks like a professional bowl Oh

3130
03:29:11.639 --> 03:29:16.159
yeah, all right, which is
the sexiest man could be? Cameramen throwing

3131
03:29:16.200 --> 03:29:28.879
this at throw shoes right? Can
throw shoes? Put right? Why it's

3132
03:29:28.920 --> 03:29:39.959
been a long day. Oh my
rip, they are my naughty seat.

3133
03:29:39.040 --> 03:29:43.719
Everybody hang out, brogo cops toes
around everybody. Are you that you're now

3134
03:29:43.799 --> 03:29:46.760
sitting in that chair? You're complaining
a second ago? How did we get

3135
03:29:46.840 --> 03:29:52.000
here? You know what? They're
well taken care of. Another new profile

3136
03:29:52.079 --> 03:29:56.200
picture here. You need to take
some more sup So that way, long

3137
03:29:56.280 --> 03:29:58.280
story short. Today, Sarah bo
said that Mike, how are your kids?

3138
03:29:58.319 --> 03:30:01.879
And he went, oh, Mike, I said, I'm sorry,

3139
03:30:01.920 --> 03:30:13.040
I don't have children. Had a
good story a three year cruise. It

3140
03:30:13.159 --> 03:30:18.120
was really tough. Now imagine you
here, this woman, you have the

3141
03:30:18.360 --> 03:30:22.079
PR portfolio, always say to these
people, and you get to that point

3142
03:30:22.120 --> 03:30:28.280
and you're like, so, what
are you excited about Tomorrow Father's Day?

3143
03:30:33.559 --> 03:30:37.559
I have to prepare all Xbox podcasters
look alike. So I thank you,

3144
03:30:37.760 --> 03:30:41.600
Jeff. You know me, Gary, I had a great outfit to people

3145
03:30:41.680 --> 03:30:45.840
talked about it. Did anyone see
Mike today? Why? Oh the shirt?

3146
03:30:45.879 --> 03:30:52.559
It was kind of weird. What
was that about? Shirt? I

3147
03:30:52.680 --> 03:30:56.680
just mostly saw the oversized shirt.
I didn't want to say the story was

3148
03:30:56.799 --> 03:31:03.319
that yesterday Tim said we're to reactext
to the s Jeff thing. Dress up

3149
03:31:03.399 --> 03:31:16.040
for it, Michael then a school
shooter yesterday, shut up, not dressed

3150
03:31:16.120 --> 03:31:18.680
up. But you're like, no
big deal, whatever, It's fine.

3151
03:31:18.879 --> 03:31:24.719
And then he got into a confrontation
at the office Jeff with Roger where Roger's

3152
03:31:24.799 --> 03:31:26.760
like, why are you bringing this
gigantic bag? And Mike said, well,

3153
03:31:26.799 --> 03:31:31.360
I have multiple outfits for the days. And I was like, oh,

3154
03:31:31.680 --> 03:31:33.440
he's not where. First off,
yesterday in the reaction. I'm like

3155
03:31:33.760 --> 03:31:35.440
every time Mike's like, I'm gonna
go to the bathroom, like, oh,

3156
03:31:35.440 --> 03:31:37.879
he's gonna come back in a suit. Never did, of course,

3157
03:31:39.280 --> 03:31:43.600
never did very much in a hoodie
the entire time. And then today I

3158
03:31:43.760 --> 03:31:46.360
got there after the fact because I
was seeing him bargoed and I walk in

3159
03:31:46.479 --> 03:31:50.159
and I see Mike, and I
want to even take credit for this.

3160
03:31:52.079 --> 03:31:54.479
Later, I ran into a kind
of funny best friend fan who's also working

3161
03:31:54.479 --> 03:32:00.680
in the industry, who said I
ran there still like Mike why he dresses

3162
03:32:00.680 --> 03:32:09.600
Adam Sandler because he was wearing it
oversized Halo three. Sure, the respect

3163
03:32:09.639 --> 03:32:15.920
on the Halo two shirt and pajama
pants. Okay, they'll loose track pants.

3164
03:32:18.879 --> 03:32:22.879
I weren't broken, wed new boots, new boots. The boots are

3165
03:32:22.959 --> 03:32:28.040
nice than what was I supposed to
do. Remember remember when tug Funny was

3166
03:32:28.079 --> 03:32:31.559
in a break dancing. That's kind
of what reminds That's what it reminded me

3167
03:32:31.600 --> 03:32:37.559
of. Looked like beg ye cup. Can I get another white claw?

3168
03:32:37.639 --> 03:32:46.760
Let's get this twisted, okay Richard
drinking twisted teas? Yeah, let me

3169
03:32:46.760 --> 03:32:50.680
get it twisted. Not wrong?
And there are so many six games Man

3170
03:32:50.920 --> 03:32:56.479
there's so many free Mega Man six
is a Little Man xx Mega Man battles

3171
03:32:56.559 --> 03:33:03.399
incredible. Here's the thing, all
right, every one of us here talks

3172
03:33:03.399 --> 03:33:07.360
about video games for a living live. All right, we're live right now,

3173
03:33:07.399 --> 03:33:11.200
and I'm not already upset about that. I regretted every day that I

3174
03:33:11.280 --> 03:33:13.879
chose this man as my business partner. You know what I mean? Hey,

3175
03:33:13.959 --> 03:33:24.719
guys, is like everyone's national track. I was supposed to tackle him

3176
03:33:24.760 --> 03:33:28.520
by now we're pretty sure, God
damn. But we need to be able

3177
03:33:28.840 --> 03:33:31.520
to admit when we're wrong, you
know what I mean. And some of

3178
03:33:31.680 --> 03:33:35.000
us need to be able to admit
that live as it's happening. And I'm

3179
03:33:35.079 --> 03:33:39.639
happy that I'm able to now reflect
on myself and know that I'm willing to

3180
03:33:39.760 --> 03:33:41.399
admit that I'm wrong. But I
realized I'm wrong. Two or six would

3181
03:33:41.440 --> 03:33:45.959
be the first six game? Second
you thought? Was there exactly? You

3182
03:33:46.040 --> 03:33:50.120
know what I mean? I was
walking, I want this understood. That

3183
03:33:50.920 --> 03:33:52.399
wasn't dear six was it was those
black ops? Was the one he got

3184
03:33:52.440 --> 03:33:58.840
excited? Yeah, yeah, we're
all fantasy. I thought. I was

3185
03:33:58.920 --> 03:34:01.479
like yes, I was like,
this is gonna be like one like the

3186
03:34:01.600 --> 03:34:05.920
first game with six in the title, besides Final Fantasy, Jody did that

3187
03:34:05.000 --> 03:34:09.040
the King's Quest six. Greg immediately
who I was with Luke, He goes,

3188
03:34:09.120 --> 03:34:13.319
yeah, you're making a good point
because I said you want was totally

3189
03:34:13.399 --> 03:34:16.760
on board with it, and then
Tony corrected me. And then immediately the

3190
03:34:16.840 --> 03:34:20.399
child starts blowing up with all the
six games. At the moment I saw,

3191
03:34:20.959 --> 03:34:24.239
I was like, I'm wrong.
I admit I'm wrong. I understand

3192
03:34:24.280 --> 03:34:26.760
that I am wrong. And it
did it hurt me to know how stupid

3193
03:34:26.840 --> 03:34:31.680
I can be, how confident I
could be having said that, though I

3194
03:34:31.799 --> 03:34:33.200
did ask the question, oh sure, It's not like I was like,

3195
03:34:33.280 --> 03:34:37.399
oh, this is the first game
with six in the title, unlike some

3196
03:34:37.520 --> 03:34:43.120
people that are like, oh there's
a Mario card six the number. That's

3197
03:34:43.159 --> 03:34:46.799
weird. You should have done your
heels in and acted like those other games

3198
03:34:46.840 --> 03:34:52.120
didn't exist. Like absolutely that there's
fourteen Romance of the Three Kingdoms? What

3199
03:34:52.360 --> 03:34:56.319
is that? Even it's a good
question, fourteen, there's only two fourteen

3200
03:34:56.399 --> 03:34:58.719
games. It's far fancy in that
no one's ever actually played those games.

3201
03:35:00.079 --> 03:35:01.200
The money launderings, what the hell
is that? You have no idea?

3202
03:35:01.360 --> 03:35:05.520
Absolutely not. But speaking of what
things are like, what is don't you

3203
03:35:05.639 --> 03:35:07.680
day late Chip? Well, that's
vascilline. First off, Right, it

3204
03:35:07.719 --> 03:35:15.479
does say it's it's he believes this
is don't you de la che vassiline?

3205
03:35:15.719 --> 03:35:20.120
It says, right the thing let's
say vaccanine. Yeah sure, yeah,

3206
03:35:20.399 --> 03:35:22.239
that's what that says. Apparently it's
like a carmel mel it's a lubri can.

3207
03:35:22.399 --> 03:35:26.479
Yeah, it's lubric This is for
a real good night, Ja Jerome

3208
03:35:26.600 --> 03:35:31.799
is solid sneak. I am so
upset that we didn't see that camera.

3209
03:35:33.040 --> 03:35:39.559
Can we get a camera shot on
this, because, oh my god,

3210
03:35:41.040 --> 03:35:43.600
the revenge. That was the most
beautiful solid sting that I've ever seen in

3211
03:35:43.680 --> 03:35:46.360
real life. It's not a lot
for me tonight, everybody. What was

3212
03:35:46.399 --> 03:35:52.959
that incredible? It must be the
winds. Let's talk about sex with fucking

3213
03:35:52.000 --> 03:35:58.079
lubricant? Sure? Absolutely, yeah. What's your favorite kind the water bacon

3214
03:35:58.120 --> 03:36:01.120
grease, bacon grease. Yeah,
yeah, that's that's how they do it

3215
03:36:01.159 --> 03:36:05.360
Missouri. Yeah, okay, first
off, that's over the line. Sorry,

3216
03:36:07.000 --> 03:36:11.319
very respectable college football game, Towning. You really care about college football

3217
03:36:11.319 --> 03:36:15.079
because of Missouri? That's right,
motherfucker. Do you remember Brad Smith?

3218
03:36:15.159 --> 03:36:18.399
All right? He was up for
the eleven for one Brad Smith. Fucking

3219
03:36:18.479 --> 03:36:22.879
First off, Brad Smith remembers Brad
Smith. He that's my tweets. Really

3220
03:36:22.239 --> 03:36:28.120
wow, I don't remember Brad Smith. It might be you can't. Who

3221
03:36:28.159 --> 03:36:31.639
lays their tweet? Greg? Remember
when The Rock did the thing where he's

3222
03:36:31.639 --> 03:36:35.280
like, my good friend Greg Miller. Right, what's the most interaction you've

3223
03:36:35.280 --> 03:36:37.360
had with Dwayne Johnson? Just Twitter? Okay, you met? The back

3224
03:36:37.399 --> 03:36:48.040
and forth? What did you do? Geral music? You're the biggest.

3225
03:36:48.399 --> 03:36:52.840
I worked there and I left because
it was me. Look at me,

3226
03:36:54.200 --> 03:36:58.840
look at me, fight succeeding left
and right, blessing. Oh my god,

3227
03:37:00.079 --> 03:37:05.239
you know, like we're on.
Dwayne Johnson was in this room when

3228
03:37:05.280 --> 03:37:11.479
he recognized you. Well, first
of all, like that, Just so

3229
03:37:11.639 --> 03:37:15.239
you know, every four months or
so, there's a little notification on the

3230
03:37:15.280 --> 03:37:22.440
calendar that says Greg contact Rocks people
one Ryan your words, seven productions and

3231
03:37:22.760 --> 03:37:26.680
Rock has no idea. You are
right? Why he made a video about

3232
03:37:26.719 --> 03:37:31.040
me so he know something. He
listened to the podcast. He's responded and

3233
03:37:31.079 --> 03:37:35.399
sweets about it. But also that
he said when he said Greg and your

3234
03:37:35.440 --> 03:37:41.719
boys, I was like, ask
me wait on the Rock boy, thank

3235
03:37:41.760 --> 03:37:46.040
you? Oh man? What time
is it that we go? Oh god,

3236
03:37:48.040 --> 03:37:50.959
no, boy, listen, I
really don't know what the say you

3237
03:37:50.040 --> 03:37:54.200
fuckers anymore. I can't name some
more six games? Damn go for what

3238
03:37:54.360 --> 03:37:58.760
did I break? There was a
resident said you brought that when you almost

3239
03:37:58.799 --> 03:38:01.680
broke the table. You should I
don't know. Somewhere here, Greg,

3240
03:38:01.719 --> 03:38:03.879
do you want a leaf blower in
the face? No, sure, all

3241
03:38:03.959 --> 03:38:09.200
right, I'll be back now,
all right, excuse me. Sure,

3242
03:38:09.520 --> 03:38:13.399
you gotta do what you gotta do. Of course I can do it if

3243
03:38:13.440 --> 03:38:16.120
we didn't have my besting on this
another leaf lower. So I think he's

3244
03:38:16.159 --> 03:38:20.680
gonna let's just starting to realize that
sitting next to Greggy is in the camera

3245
03:38:20.760 --> 03:38:24.719
shot. So it's like this is
going to be. If you say no

3246
03:38:24.799 --> 03:38:26.639
to the leaf blower, that's not
gonna come near you. You're gonna be

3247
03:38:26.000 --> 03:38:31.399
what the leaf flower? I just
want to be out Yeah, I mean,

3248
03:38:31.479 --> 03:38:39.159
Blessed is like my understudy. He's
like the guy. He's my rabbit.

3249
03:38:41.159 --> 03:38:45.120
I'll be out there reviewing video games
and I'll be killed and he'll take

3250
03:38:45.120 --> 03:38:54.680
you the mantling, you know what
I mean. Yeah, it's a little

3251
03:38:54.719 --> 03:39:01.000
guy. Take that wind blower here. I appreciate say tweeple. Damn it.

3252
03:39:24.440 --> 03:39:31.200
That's a lot of white claws.
The white claws everywhere. Blessing wants

3253
03:39:31.239 --> 03:39:37.959
it as well if you want it
hard. My question, how did he

3254
03:39:37.000 --> 03:39:41.000
get a second one? You look
like Ray after the blow jub and Ghostbusters.

3255
03:39:43.840 --> 03:39:46.319
It's what you what's what you always
wanted? There was the blow time.

3256
03:39:46.360 --> 03:39:52.280
You're right, Ron, it was
at some point there I saw God

3257
03:39:52.440 --> 03:39:54.760
you bring this shut up? Yeah, and there's some things that need to

3258
03:39:54.799 --> 03:40:01.840
apologize for all the nine eleven eleven
jokes. I mean, that's what are

3259
03:40:01.840 --> 03:40:07.239
you saying? He's like you wrongto
something. No, I don't think you're

3260
03:40:07.360 --> 03:40:11.520
either my messages. Whether it was
God in or Satan, no one could

3261
03:40:11.559 --> 03:40:16.280
tell. But my hair looks great, doesn't it. No, you should

3262
03:40:16.280 --> 03:40:20.959
start drinking that. This was Steve
put up with every day every day.

3263
03:40:24.000 --> 03:40:26.680
I gotta be honest with you,
guys. I've known Greg for most of

3264
03:40:26.799 --> 03:40:30.399
my life. At this point,
that's scary to say as a true statement,

3265
03:40:30.879 --> 03:40:33.879
and it scares me. We do
live shows all the time every once

3266
03:40:33.879 --> 03:40:37.280
in a while. Again, everyone
here understands the fear that happens when he

3267
03:40:37.399 --> 03:40:41.159
starts, when his eyes get that
look. You know what I mean?

3268
03:40:41.680 --> 03:40:46.280
Just let me off the leash.
What can I destroy? There was no

3269
03:40:46.399 --> 03:40:52.000
better encapsulation of all this when before
an AD read, Greg drops some nine

3270
03:40:52.040 --> 03:40:56.239
to eleven reference and Tim goes,
what is all right? Well, now

3271
03:40:56.319 --> 03:40:58.479
I got a stall because we got
to wait for the AD to come up

3272
03:40:58.520 --> 03:41:01.719
in the next thirty seconds. Actually
was blessing. It was, I was

3273
03:41:01.799 --> 03:41:07.440
blessing. It's not like it was
like an understudy. I mean like it

3274
03:41:07.600 --> 03:41:09.719
was a AD break that is always
coming up at that moment right it was

3275
03:41:11.120 --> 03:41:16.159
nowhere else. It was Team Orange. If I was to ask any of

3276
03:41:16.280 --> 03:41:22.079
you, if your Team Orange,
what would you say? You'd want to

3277
03:41:22.120 --> 03:41:31.600
interject at some point, maybe I
said to bring up fuck, no one

3278
03:41:31.719 --> 03:41:35.479
sits, here goes, honey,
gr you know one sits here goes.

3279
03:41:35.559 --> 03:41:46.920
Oh, let's dissect Howie Mandel's comedy. No one's talking about the most modern

3280
03:41:46.959 --> 03:42:03.879
comedian I am. Then until I
run Olier. Excellent, you say Mondel

3281
03:42:03.000 --> 03:42:11.600
like Nelson Mandela, they were just
the fucking goddamn trinks we give. You

3282
03:42:11.920 --> 03:42:16.879
can say, howe, mom,
why is that why we have w W

3283
03:42:18.040 --> 03:42:20.520
F attitude? Out said, what's
the bad one? That's not a great

3284
03:42:20.520 --> 03:42:22.399
one? One? Yeah, that's
bad. You're not allowed to destroy that

3285
03:42:22.559 --> 03:42:28.760
either. Are you trying to challenge? Yeah, yes, I don't know

3286
03:42:28.799 --> 03:42:35.959
if he's loved, but I'm assuming
he's not. No, that's try to

3287
03:42:35.000 --> 03:42:39.120
explode. You want to do that? Everyone in the weird thing that we

3288
03:42:39.200 --> 03:42:46.639
saw Mike's feet some fucking sandom bean
Counter's gonna sit there, thirty seven dogs

3289
03:42:48.000 --> 03:42:52.719
for fucking w F attitude? Was
that? God break that too? Okay,

3290
03:42:54.200 --> 03:42:58.719
everybody calm down? Was that not
any like? I meaning? We

3291
03:42:58.799 --> 03:43:07.479
all? Ghostbusters? Frozen Empire?
She got reviews? Georgian, I don't

3292
03:43:07.520 --> 03:43:15.040
remembering about it? That comped the
three TVs? Target Man, great movie.

3293
03:43:16.840 --> 03:43:22.000
Here's the biggest thing. If you'll
notice, I'm Greg Miller, w

3294
03:43:22.399 --> 03:43:28.920
W A superstar? What am I
appearing on this week? Giant bomb?

3295
03:43:30.719 --> 03:43:35.239
What am I not appearing on?
I g in dot com? I g

3296
03:43:35.440 --> 03:43:39.159
in dot com gave Ghostbusters a four
out of ten? All right, So

3297
03:43:39.280 --> 03:43:43.280
if you're at home right now,
going gee Wilkers, who shall I listen

3298
03:43:43.360 --> 03:43:50.399
to for reviews? Trust me?
Brother? I g dot com? All

3299
03:43:50.520 --> 03:44:05.840
right? You do what happened?
When are okay? What are we talking?

3300
03:44:07.559 --> 03:44:15.440
They are? Where's in your where's
it going? Cake Junior showed up

3301
03:44:15.840 --> 03:44:20.399
shop. He was like, Yo
had a worm in my brain. I

3302
03:44:20.600 --> 03:44:28.159
assure you that every fucking I g
N reviewer of Goat's Buster Frozen Empire the

3303
03:44:28.399 --> 03:44:41.280
worm in their brain. For what's
he like in meetings? A listen,

3304
03:44:41.559 --> 03:44:45.840
I agree with most of the world. There's not a lot of injustice.

3305
03:44:52.280 --> 03:45:01.000
We got you far is here?
Just pretty good? You it's pretty good?

3306
03:45:01.239 --> 03:45:11.959
Right? We gotta ghosts. We
got this thug if you never about

3307
03:45:13.040 --> 03:45:15.559
us back un in his stand Joe, No, no ship? Yeah yeah

3308
03:45:15.639 --> 03:45:20.600
yeah? Quest six there oh there
it is. There's so many sixes.

3309
03:45:20.799 --> 03:45:31.159
We get hit in my face.
Ha ha ha ha. Good listen.

3310
03:45:31.280 --> 03:45:33.799
You want to talk about bad boys? Oh bad? Once is good.

3311
03:45:33.879 --> 03:45:35.879
There's no there's no there's no better
time to return to the cinema. No,

3312
03:45:37.040 --> 03:45:39.920
okay, yeah, why do you
even care about movies? Why do

3313
03:45:41.000 --> 03:45:43.479
you care about your fucking bowllying?
He what is this fucking thing? Movies

3314
03:45:43.520 --> 03:45:48.200
are so mid Hey, you're right, you're right. Actually, what I'm

3315
03:45:48.239 --> 03:45:52.280
done? Who is this cartoon character? This is Uncle Monkey in the corner,

3316
03:45:52.440 --> 03:45:58.360
just trying to ruin the part.
I'm sucking out barbecue. I saw

3317
03:45:58.479 --> 03:46:03.479
firiosa do there? Yeah? Right, pretty good. Mike Carl from the

3318
03:46:03.520 --> 03:46:07.159
off with hunger for us right now, and he sounds like sh yeah,

3319
03:46:07.239 --> 03:46:13.280
he's got the sing. He's about
the first person to say that. All

3320
03:46:13.360 --> 03:46:16.920
right. I think the only thing
we could do now is party. Anything

3321
03:46:16.000 --> 03:46:20.120
else, but this cat smatch the
DS now because it looks like it wants

3322
03:46:20.120 --> 03:46:24.079
to. It's just because it's not
a Vita man. Come on, dude,

3323
03:46:24.799 --> 03:46:28.319
just relaxed. Wait? Is fucking
peace Walker still the best game of

3324
03:46:28.360 --> 03:46:31.399
all time? Yeah? Do you
mean that? Or is this a gimmick?

3325
03:46:31.559 --> 03:46:35.079
Has he ever worked to? I
be bragging forth all the time.

3326
03:46:35.120 --> 03:46:39.239
It was my favorite game, peace
God of War or peace Walker five or

3327
03:46:39.520 --> 03:46:41.959
twenty eighteen? Okay, yeah,
all right, all right, and I

3328
03:46:41.319 --> 03:46:45.799
put Good of War up there,
and I still feel that way. I

3329
03:46:45.920 --> 03:46:48.639
do love peace Walker. Yeah.
Are you remember your fan outside of peace

3330
03:46:48.719 --> 03:46:52.280
Walker and peace Walker's yeah, yeah, yeah, what's yours? That's favorite

3331
03:46:52.319 --> 03:46:56.360
metal? Yeah? Yeah? Three's
better? Three? Three or one?

3332
03:46:56.959 --> 03:47:13.760
One? Maybe two? Come on
saying party? I would agree you like

3333
03:47:13.879 --> 03:47:18.040
the moment at yeah, Oh my
good baby. And you're up there to

3334
03:47:18.120 --> 03:47:26.440
say free, thank you, get
the hell out of it. You're thank

3335
03:47:26.479 --> 03:47:30.719
you so much for coming out tonight
and watching we got before we get out

3336
03:47:30.719 --> 03:47:33.520
of while these maniacs continue to do
their thing. No, I got thirty

3337
03:47:33.559 --> 03:47:35.879
minutes up to my show. I
want to say thank you a bunch of

3338
03:47:35.879 --> 03:47:41.959
people, and thank you so much
to Janet Shower for producing. Thank you

3339
03:47:41.040 --> 03:47:43.120
to turn My shown at Home,
who really has helped out with a lot

3340
03:47:43.159 --> 03:47:48.040
of stuff. Thank you. Thank
you to Zach, Wendy, Cameron,

3341
03:47:48.159 --> 03:47:52.200
Lucas, Ash, Janelle Ben.
Other than thank you guys so much for

3342
03:47:52.239 --> 03:47:56.559
your help tonight. And then our
Ja Gnado from the from the venue,

3343
03:47:56.959 --> 03:48:01.239
very very fantastic. Thank you Lucy
James for your worst legs. She also

3344
03:48:01.280 --> 03:48:05.639
eat all the pizza. Dude,
Let's can we just shart our fucking list

3345
03:48:05.719 --> 03:48:09.319
of problems with Lucy. Yeah,
please name them all we don't need to

3346
03:48:09.440 --> 03:48:20.000
do. Thank you. Everybody is
God, even to something. Thank you

3347
03:48:20.360 --> 03:48:26.000
Jeff Grug. Oh yeah, thank
you Jeff Grub. Thank you Jack.

3348
03:48:28.159 --> 03:48:31.600
I want to thank you all for
watching. We're gonna be back tomorrow for

3349
03:48:31.680 --> 03:48:33.319
a live show that you could watch
from helm. If you're in the LA

3350
03:48:33.399 --> 03:48:35.559
area, come out to the bell
Weather Theater. It's gonna be a great

3351
03:48:35.680 --> 03:48:39.959
time. Otherwise, on it,
Paris Lily is on. He should later

3352
03:48:41.120 --> 03:48:46.959
respect me. Exceptverybody we're gonna get
out of here. It doesn't accept my

3353
03:48:48.079 --> 03:48:54.799
good wit. Take care of yourself. I say goodbye, Tim Daddy stuff

3354
03:48:54.840 --> 03:48:56.360
my bike,