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Make sure your doors and windows are locked. Now Here are your hosts,
your ghost hosts, Scott and Julie. Hey, everyone, welcome back
to the Paranormal Project. Hi, Julie, how are you doing? Um
good, Scott, how are you well? I'm still coughing. Oh my
gosh, I hear yeah, you know. So it's fine, you know,
if we get through this between the two of us, because as people
know, I'm recovering from pneumonia, feeling so much better, but still a
little bit of a cough. And so now Scott, Scott has the horrible
cough that's going around. Oh my goodness. So I'm pretty excited. We
have a guest on tonight. Yes, you and I met back in July
of last year. We were on a trip to Scotland and we had a
chance to investigate with him and he is on Haunted Scotland, which is now
just come to the United States on Discovery Plus. So people want to binge
watch that, and he's been been watching. I was told by my doctor
I need to rest, and I said, ah, so I've I've just
been watch bench watched the entire first season. Very exciting and you know,
there's a lot of there's a lot of other stuff that he's got going on
to things that are new that he's going to talk about. Started to talk
to Ryan again. Absolutely, so welcome to the show. Ryan O'Neill from
Hunted Scotland. How are you right? I'm great. How you use guys?
Fantastic, We're doing well. Glad to see you up. I know
it's midnight there, it's quite late here. Well, just return there.
We were a couple of ghosties and you're chasing us around. We're used to
it, aren't we at this time and night. We were all used to
it. This is true, exactly exactly what have you been up to since
we since we saw you last You've been filming again, so more filming,
yes, Ireland. You know. So we've went from obviously haunted Scotland as
it hears in the United States to what probably will be haunted Ireland when it
comes out over the other side of the pond. So m it was quite
interesting because I'm going the countries are so similar, you know, in their
mythology and you know the spirits and ghosts and stories that you get. So
it was really good just to go and have a look to see what was
happening in Ireland. And I think it's going to be a really good season.
I am so excited. I was surprised watching one of the episodes of
Hunted Scotland when you and Chris Fleming, the psychic medium on the show that
if in case people haven't seen it, we're talking about the band She and
I didn't know that the band She was also myth or spirit in Scotland.
I thought I knew it originated or I thought it originated in Ireland, didn't
know that it had popped over to Scotland. Well, that's so similar in
both places, and you do have this crossover, you know, in the
two countries. That's the Celtic countries and I'm sure I mean Wales as well,
will be very very similar, you know, going away back and if
you look into the stories of these countries, we've got very very similar things
going on and they must all originate from somewhere. This is true, absolutely,
yes, yes, So I'm just so curious because, as I say,
I've been binge watching UM. I did Scotland because it's just here now
on the side of the plant UM. And I mean every episode I'm just
you know, in front of the TV set, just riveted. But what
was your favorite place to to investigate? Investigate? The favorite, the scariest
place. I don't usually get spooked on much place as we go because I'm
so used to going into locations. It's like, oh, use guys,
go when we do what we need to do and we get the results,
we'll get answers, we look for some communication. And when we went down
to come along in Castle, which was down you know, in the doctor
area, I had to go into the dungeon there and there was only one
way in there, and it was those step ladders going down there, and
it was just the most spookiest place ever. And when I got down inside,
there was all these flies on the back wall. I've never seen so
many. There's no other way in. I don't even know how they got
in there. You're stuck down there. You cannot see in front of your
face. I've got a d R sixty recorder where you know some of the
good results you get from them. I'm asking questions, I'm on my own,
and then I get what's like run come through the dr sixty. At
the same time, I can hear these flies at the side of me and
it feels like they're just right here. So that was the most spookiest thing
ever I've never I don't think I've ever felt that way before, where I
just had to get out of an area and I'm just surprised. I mean
it's not happened off of TV, and I'm surprised it happened on TV because
I thought, yeah, I'm going to manage, Okay, these will be
fine. I've been the bottom of Edinburgh under Ground. I've been everywhere and
I didn't believe that it would be an issue. But that was probably the
most spoot I've been and I needed to get out of that area. Wow.
Wow, Am I remembering correctly that something was thrown at you when you
were down there? Yes, there was a stone thrown down there, because
when I went down, Gail Porter come down as well at the same time,
and there was a stone thrown down there. Now, the thing is,
there's only one way to get down and Chris was sitting there, obviously
asking questions, seeing if he could pick up on anything there and wherever this
stone come from. It it felt like, you know, at the back,
not not the fly side, but on the other side. But at
the same time, the caveat of that is you can't really see much.
We had some night vision cam corridors at the time, but you don't really
see much on those screens at the time when you're when you're not engrossed in
what's happening in your environment. Right absolutely, and it was I remember being
a very small place. There was nowhere to give Gail she was she was
off. Gail, she she was off, and a lot of them she
was off up the ladders. It was very brave for her to come down
because I know she was struggling a little bit, but she got the courage
to come down at least be in that environment. And but she took off
and left me down there, and I'm thinking to myself, now there's been
a stone thrown down here, there's all these flies here in the dark.
Come on, but I need to be brave. Yes, everybody has those
moments, I guess you know from one time or another. Wow, you
would spend some time in Culross. I love it there. I love it
there. So we went to the palace there. Yeah, and um,
listen, the whole place, the whole town there is haunted. Um.
This was actually echoed to me recently, and I found this really funny.
We spoke to two people who actually live in Crous and one of them has
been nursing. She was obviously small, and she was telling me a story
about a local castle that's there and I should go and do an investigation or
an event there, which we're going to do in Halloween. And she says
it's the most spookiest place there, not even so much the palace, but
this this castle, Blair Castle, and she said it's so spooky. She's
just imagine when I was a little girl, we used to walk around the
town and we didn't know who was alive and who was a spirit at the
time. That place is and I just I just sort of echoed it for
me, and I'm like, wow, can you imagine staying in a place
like that. That's just wanted to girl. We couldn't get in when we
were there. We were for a day, thought, and we couldn't get
into the castle. Oh, that's jalous. Yeah, yeah, that's that's
a shame. That's a really really good location. And I think we've got
some really really good results in there as well. I was quite impressed.
Um what the whole sound is just you know, you've got You've got cal
Ross, and then you've got Saint Andrew's, which is probably even grander for
for the for the Walking Spirits and beautiful. Oh I love Saint Andrews.
Carl Ross, though, had a very different feel to it. Um.
And again, of course I watched the episode and I was just fascinated by
the toll booth oh thing, which when you first look at it, it
almost looks like a church. It does. Yeah, And Chris had gone
up to the upper level where it's all just rafters, and I remember him
getting the feeling of people being hanged. And you found later that they were
take the accused, that the women and men who were accused of witchcraft in
there, and tour to them until they confess to witchcraft, and then took
them up to the third floor and hang them from the rafters. So I
just can't imagine the feeling, I mean, the energy left over in that
place from that you can feel it. You could, you could certainly feel
it, and and I could still remember the feelings going in there. Now.
I mean, I'm not everybody's a little bit sensitive, you know.
I'm not a psychic or that my thing is to come into the equipment.
But as you guys know, when you work in these locations and with spirit,
if you like, you could sort of tell what's going on in an
environment, You could feel the environment, and that place had the swaying feeling
inside it. The energy was thick, and you just knew that there was
leftover residual something yes, in the area, and I'm obviously something interactive as
well, and there was a little bit of a you know, like sicky
type feeling there. I struggled a little bit at times really in that environment,
and it felt really just like a sea sick feeling. You know.
You just felt like we know that. Yeah, I think we all have
had that feeling and investigating one place or another. Um. What was it
interesting is that you said residual energy because on your TV show I had to
wait and listen for you for to be explained. You call it stone tape,
yeah, stone stone tape energy. We call it residual energy. Yeah,
Stone in residual. I like using residual or like non sentient energies,
you know what you're sentient interactions with fifty dollar words, Ryan, Yeah,
like I like, I like nonsentient as well. But yeah, that's it's
the same thing Stone take. And it's you know, somehow these energy is
embedded into our environment or into something in our environment and at the right time
to replay, and it's usually for some consciousness for somebody there to witness what
is going on. But I always just when I try to explain it to
people to the public, what will usually say is it's not much different than
maybe watching a movie. You know, it was once there and it's really
playing back to you and you could watch it. They can't interact with you,
but you could still see what's you know, what's been embedded, if
you like. And that's what you feel in some of these locations you go
into absolutely. I mean we have of course, you know here in New
England definitely not as old as Scotland, and we have several locations here that
does just riak of residual energy. You just walk into it and you just
know, you know that there was just so much emotion wrapped up in these
places and it has to go somewhere. It just, you know, it
just stays, it's in front. It seems just like a raw emotion.
That's a perfect way to put it. That's just somehow embedded into our our
environment. And it's trying to understand why and how that happens. But you
certainly can feel it. Your senses can feel it. And that's whether you
are a tachy or whether you're you know, are a clear voyant. You
could feel these locations if you just stand and tune into them and allow yourself
to feel them. If you've been around it, you know a few times
you start to understand the different you know, when there's nothing there, it
just it just feels heavy, it does it does? I massively agree with
that. Yeah, I would have liked to have gotten into that palace.
We went up on the hill way up at the top. There's a there's
a church in a graveyard on the yes well, I think that's I can't
remember the name of it, and no one you're talking about is it like
a lot? There's a long well, there's two. You've got the abbey
obviously, you've got a church and you've got an old abbey next to it
and curus. But there's also another ruined church on the outskirts as well.
It's one wasn't ruins, it's one where you could go in and yeah,
the symmetry was right outside. It was it was just it was amazing.
But yeah, you feel like they're just walking around. I mean, you
know, the energy is just every well, I mean with certainly with that
abbey, and I think there's reports of like monks that are seen walking around.
There are still felt moving around there as well, but doesn't surprise me.
Again we're talking about you know, Chorus, so a lot of people
have seen wandering monks even in the actual town itself. And then you have
this religious center there. What is what is the you know, maybe not
even necessarily on the show, but what is your favorite place to investigate in
Scott My favorite? I mean Balguny castles, guys were there. Yeah,
it's just so special. Um. I think part of that also is is
you know, it's locked down, it doesn't get investigated over and over again,
so it's very very special in that degree. It's also still a family
home, you know, Stuart the Lair stays there and you know, the
look after the place, the rebuilt parts of it, and it is certainly
some of the activity that you could experience, the communication work that you get
going on there. It's just amazing. And it's different from part to part
inside the castle. So it feels different inside the chapel to what it feels
like in the keep, maybe in the layer's bedroom or in the Great Hall.
There's a different feel in each part, and it's as if there's different
energies that are residing in each part there and they're just not for some reason
moving on there that they're staying there and it's a nice place. Maybe it's
something to do with it. Oh, it's it's absolutely beautiful. I know
that. When Scott and I were in the Great Hall, I remember sitting
there and I kept turning behind me because I felt there was someone standing over
to the in the corner. And so I was with Scott and Barbara and
I think Cindy at the time, and one of them had said, you
keep looking over there, and I said, there's a young woman standing over
there, just standing like that's her job, just to stand. And when
I say young, I mean you know young teenager, teenage years standing there
and I just get the impression that she is just there and it's you know,
that's her job. Her job is not done yet. She was just
there. It was an amazing place. The energy in there. The Great
Hall itself was amazing. The Great Hall was amazing. And what you're explaining
to us there is exactly what's been witnessed by people. There is a lady
that's seen in that corner. She's been seeing multiple times. We have on
little private investigations in there, and I mean, Greg might my colleague,
will tell you. We've had some amazing stuff happen. One example, I
just can't believe it. We had the chairs and at the time, not
the pews that are there just now. And there was one chair that was
between myself and Greg and we were doing the usual, you know, we're
calling out becoming great respect. We're just here to communicate, you know,
and and hear your story. And at this this chair, it was like
somebody tipped it back and dropped it back on its feet. Now, my
first reaction to that is to look at Greg and say, was that you?
And he looks at me and he goes, no, that was you.
And I was like my legs up under my chair. I would just
say, oh, my Goodness has done it to get our attention because we're
trying to communicate and it's just in those small moments and you know when those
things happen and just makes you go, wow, that is just such amazing.
The spirit is around you and we're getting you know, hard evidence from
my point of view, and but also some good communication. And I'm willing
to step forward and communicate with us well. And you remember, I can
remember I think it was above the Grade Hall. Perhaps there's another it's there
is and we were we were listening and we've got EVPs asking for Greg.
Oh that's correct. Yeah. Remember Wow. I mean so clearly they know
who you are because you're there. Yeah, they do. I think it's
because we go. I mean we could easily be there four or five times
per year. Um, different kinds. Some of them will be private investigations
to few team members. Some some of the public be there maybe like neuse
guys when needs come over, you know, um, and it's just nice
little sessions. So I think they do. Know. We've heard Rick McCallum
over. Rick McCallum loves when Caste. He does, he loves it,
and I'm not surprised because he's experienced some really, really good evidence in there.
One example would be we had the Frank's Box. We're using the Frank's
Box. Now. Sometimes it's difficult use NIGHTTC devices because they could be quite
noisy, you know, it is an effect a broken radio. But we're
listening between the stations. We were listening into the static and hoping that they
could talk to us. And Rick asked a certain question. He said,
is there anything we should be afraid of when we go into the castle tonight?
And it said clear as day, really really clear the energy and it
would just like mind blowing. We caught it a video, We recorded the
whole thing and we were just blown away just at the clarity of it.
Now we don't know what it means by the energy. This is why we
investigate and dig a little bit deeper. But another thing happened in that session,
and it's we were asked skin, you know who was speaking to and
it turned around and it said Leslie. Now Leslie was laid Leslie he actually
built the part of the building that we were in. And he also said
the bell. Now, we didn't know what that meant in that moment until
we realized the big bell that's outside the ruined part. Oh, yes,
it was just telling us the bell, you know, and then Leslie and
it's just it's just great, great evidence and great I have a question for
you. When I was in the Great Hall, I'm wondering if anyone else
has had this experience? Is I felt the scent of I want to say
it was a lady's cologner perfume, but I don't think it was. It
was very flowery, and I know back in the day women would carry flowers
just because bathing wasn't something that they did in those days, so that they
would That's why they had nosegay is basically that's where it came from. But
I felt it. I smelt it almost like drifting past me two or three
times, as if a woman, a lady would be coming to and from.
And I'm wondering, has anyone else had that experience in the Great Hall?
Yes, yes, smells have been in the same sense as well.
This, this, this has been experienced. I think altogether that there's something
like twelve plus spirit energy is said to be active there at different parts and
females and the smell of perfumes and flowers coming by is one of the reported
things we get when we have events. People will say, do you smell
that? They could smell lavender and all these kinds of smells, you know,
coming around you, and the breezes coming around you as well, and
so it's quite a common thing and it's quite commonly reported by different people who
come and join us at Bargrenny Castle. So, yeah, that's that's a
hit. Did you that? It's fascinating And then you get into the chapel
and that's an entirely different vibe. The chapel was a weird one because Greg's
than more work in the chapel than me, and we seem to have some
sort of masculine energy there that I don't think want us to be there.
I call it the anti room. The room before you go inside the chapel
itself is so heavy and foreboding um and I think that it was really only
the way everyone felt it, But I think the women felt it more than
the men did in that room. Yeah, I totally agree with you,
and it's and it's one of the first places at Balgony Castle where I was
I was able to say, yeah, there's there's a spirit here. Because
I went along to do a session and it was just myself, Greg,
and a guy called Gordon, just three of us. And I remember it
was a Saturday night and we're getting ready to cross over into the Sunday,
which I think they were wating us away from the chapel on a Sunday,
but it was Saturday going into the Sunday. And you know, when you
do your investigation and you're gathering your content, you know, and your EVPs
and your evidence and your data. And I got to the stage where I
thought, I think I'll probably have enough that I can analyze now, there'll
be something probably in there for me. And I was satisfied and getting ready
to go. But just at that point, I started feeling it was a
real cold draft of the breeze starting to come over towards me, and I
thought this is different, and I thought, don't say anything. I'll see
if Greg or Gordon say something, and then I'll go from there. So
I sat and I could feel it. I liking it too, when somebody
opens a supermarket freezer and you start feeling that coldness coming over. And I
waited and I saw Gordon stand up. He had a mailmeter in his hand
at the time, and he said, I'm getting readings that I don't usually
get. And I says, do you feel anything. He says, yeah,
it's getting cold, and he was very fidgety. He was walking towards
the door. At the same time, we had k two meters all around
the floor, you know, spread out, and they were going off as
if something was moving. Obviously a fluctuation, but something was going around the
meters and they were giving us indications. I stood up at this point and
walked to the middle of the room. I could feel this coldness in front
of me, and I just got that feeling come over me that there is
something there. It's not maybe overly negative that, but there's just something there.
I can feel it. At the time, I think we caught an
e VP at the same time, but we couldn't make it what it said.
Greg certainly felt what we felt. This happened over a forty five minute
period. It had me engross. I wasn't think of it going home anymore.
I'm just like right, right right. And it was at that point
that stood there and then it disappeared. It just ended. And then it
was at that point, I said, bagwiny Conso has haunted. I know
it's haunted now at least with one, but there's one. And I felt,
I know exactly what you're saying, because when I was in that room,
it was most definitely a male spirit, and not just a male spirit,
but this I was getting the sense that he wanted us to know that
he is in charge, this is his place, and he wasn't too happy,
especially women being there. He was certainly not happy about the women or
anyone else actually being there because it was his. But if you the sense
I got was, if you're going to be here, you need to understand,
you need to know this is mine, this is my space that I'm
allowing you to be in. And so it was just so intense. It
was amazing. Yeah, absolutely, And I know the work that's been done
there. I mean I've had direct experiences inside the chapel as well, but
I know some of like the Yes No Box that itc stuff, and mediums
come in and really really good at lead done being one coming in there.
They've picked up on this male figure. Some I've seen them with a hood
on the name David has come up before. But I think the I think
that some of the team members felt that it's not really his name, but
he likes to be known that he uses this name. It has come up
on other places inside the castle. But usually what would happen is when the
name David come forward, you would get the sense that something's trying to get
you out, It's trying to get your way. You would see mpods starting
to go off. We would hear like the scratch noise in the corner one
of the corners were one of the stand lamps is. We got this noise
in the corner there, and we went to investigate. Logically, you're thinking,
is there a mouse in here or an animal? So you go and
look and look. There's nothing there. There's just nothing there. I at
one point jumped off a chair inside there because it felt like something was here.
I got a noise and then something was there, and it gave me
a startled because I get startled as well. And I jumped up and I
dropped some equipment on the floor, and I thought, something wants us out,
something wants us out of here. And you get that at times in
there. Sometimes it could be quiet, but there is the visits in there.
Oh yeah, you know, when spirit wants you to leave, you
know, that's it. I mean, honestly, it's like but though here,
honestly, in the States, it's kind of a running joke because we'll
be somewhere and then we'll get they get out. It was like they always
tell us to leave. We're nice people. Yea, we might leave,
but we probably coming back. Absolutely. Like, what's it like investigating with
cameras around you? Um, I find it's a little bit more difficult obviously
because you've you've got more people inside your environment, and you know, it's
sometimes good to lock down your environment so that you know what's going on around
you along the time. And I know the guys are there with the cameras,
they're trying to do their working. You're trying to navigate at the same
time and do what you need to do, and it can be a little
bit more difficult to to do your investigation in that. But I mean quickly,
you do forget at times they're there, you know, especially if you're
deep within something a communication session and you're just so focused on what they're doing.
And and Chris Lyman's brilliant as well. You know, Chris is not
shy. If if we're we're doing our stuff, you know. And if
he's deep and get in something, he's not interested in any camera. If
they they say, all we need to know, we're going nowhere the spirit
here and and I love him for that. He you know, we'll get
focused down on it and go for it and he will go with it needs
to go. I can't come on one place. He will just go to
your spirit. Is that's it? That's it I'm saying, you know,
we need to let let's go to know we need to stay here or following
up? Oh yeah, absolutely, do you find you know, you're playing
for angles too, because they have to catch you at a certain Yeah.
Ok and what if you you catch something but you know what I mean,
like you don't repeat that, you know what I mean. It's not like
you can't get you know, it's something the guys with the camera, I
mean, they have to they have to get in and get it because if
something happens, this is spurts not there for the cameras, right right,
Okay, yeah, you know, and Chris is a good one. He
says this. I mean, we carry it our mobile devices ready to film
on the fly because as we always say before we go into the location,
they can start whenever they want to start. They're not going to wait on
us on a call sheet or anything like that. We just need to go
and do what we need to do. And Chris is really good at telling
you know, people that who are on the crew as well. You know,
come on, guys, have your cameras ready because something may happen.
And I can't let way too much. But an island that happened to me.
I had my mobile device and I was going up to pick up a
piece of equipment, and I'm so glad I actually filmed from I went inside
this building castle and I went to get this piece of equipment and I was
coming back out because on the way back out, something made a mighty thud
at the back of me, and I got it on the camera and I
was in there myself. You know, there was no one else in there.
And if I didn't have that, it's just not the same if I
went back and said, something just happened, guys when I was getting equipment,
because this was part. This wasn't you know, we weren't filming or
anything this part. But thankfully I because that's what I'm like, if I'm
going anywhere on I'm going to film it because there's something happens here. I
need some evidence. That's awesome when you get it. I know I'm watching
the show. Um Scott. And I used to investigate with a guy who,
no matter where he went, they would say, f you always to
this, to this one investigator, no one else to him all the time,
off for fu constantly. And I noticed that Chris Fleming is always being
told to f off for fu. Happening happening castle mingus. Um. So
we were there and I remember because he asked me, you know, would
they say that here or they said what does that mean? And I told
him bluntly I would say that, but yeah, he bluntly what it meant?
Yeah, if you And it was great because the international language everybody knows
that. But I would say in such such a Scottish way of saying it,
when you just mean get out of here exactly. It was amazing.
It was amazing. But yeah, that's a good thing that I like as
well, because when I do things like using a France box, if I'm
using a spirit box of any sort, I love when you swear because I
know you can't broadcast that I know it's not broadcasting some of these words.
And I'm starting and people will say to me, do you not worry that
they're calling you this ornate? I said, no, I love it.
This is brilliant because this means it's great evidence for me. You know,
if they're calling me that, I'm used to it. I've been called worse
than by the living. Don't worry about you'll find that. Have you noticed
that the cameras, the TV cameras have picked up evidence that you didn't get
that you picked up you know later on that they do it doing. Yes,
yes, there's a few times in an audio being one, you know,
and the sound guys picking up audio that we met at the time,
or just seeing things off shop that we've missed accidentally, probably you know,
because they're just focused on doing what they need to do. And we've listened
back and we've heard Evelyn's name coming out, you know, from an ITC
session that we didn't know it'd happened at the time, or these little subtle
EVPs and things happening as well. So it's great on that and go and
because they've got to all recording, say can you go and get me that
could you let me hear that so we can analyze that. And we're self
and Chris are all sitting with blacktops. He loves to get into his itc
and doing stuff and I do the exact same thing, and you know,
pulling out and see what we could sort of piece together as part of the
story. Yeah, you know it must be. Um, it's still fascinating
when you can ever recorder and someone else can ever recorder and then there's two
cameras and only one of the cameras will pick up the only one will get
it. Yeah, it's I mean, and if that is improve of something
I don't know what it is, well that's it. Because if it's just
a random noise in the environment, you know, and we would have it
everywhere, and like you said, that doesn't happen. It could be embeddied
in just one of those devices. You put two DR sixties next to each
other and one I'll have something, another one won't have it. So it's
not really picking up a sound in your environment then and just making it sound
like it because it's a low quality recorder. That's what some of the skeptics
would say, or the other one would be a stray radio waves. Well,
why is one getting that and not the other? Why is it when
you put it inside a Faraday box you still get these voices coming through.
It's the internal workings of the recorder. I've heard this one as well.
Well, why don't we get the same type of capture every single time?
You'd be getting repeats of that because it be the internal workings of the recorder
doing that all the time. We've tested those kind of things, which tells
us that spirit are using that device, probably because it's not got as much
of the latest noise reductions, and we're tapping into any area you know what,
it's picking up sound waves and from somewhere, or they're able to manipulate
the device in some sort of way to embed it on there. But you
know, if I go to Tourwood Castle and this has happened. If I
go to Torwood Castle and say can you name the castle for me? And
I do that as an EVP I wrote EVP and it says Tourwood Castle back
to me, then I know I've got something that is not coming from any
other source apart from something I can't see, which is intelligent exactly exactly.
And so you mentioned Evelyn and Evelyn Hollow, Yes, and Ugustand she is
a Paris psychologist, which is very very interesting. What is it like working
with her. I mean, I'm assuming that she is more scientific. She
she is absolutely fantastic. You're getting really well because I think the difference here
is she's very scientific and she's very proper, and she will tell you straight
you know what she thinks. But she is also open minded and she's willing
to sit there and move with the evidence. So rather than close yourself down
and say, well, I can explain everything, she's willing to sit there
and say, well, this is what my teaching gives me, this is
what my education tells me. But I'm here, I can rule this out,
I could rule this in, and she's willing to do that, and
it just makes her so unique in what she does. And she's fantastic.
You know, she can tell you exactly what's going on, and I just
feel that it's a it's a great balance in the team to have someone like
that, but not just your token skeptic or syneic. You can't exactly because
she's so open to things. Yes, it's she's there, prove it to
me. You know that I want to believe, prove it to me.
She showed me. And then and then if you give her I mean she's
had experiences as well, which is then she'll say, whoa, that that's
pretty impressive, that's pretty impressive stuff. And she will go with that.
But obviously look for a rational logical as well. But we all do that.
Well you know that, Yes, this method, you know, just
because if you're spiritual or just because of your part that you're not rational logical.
Yes, we are, Yes, we are. We you know,
we're experienced and what we do this we do this all the time. This
is what we live for. This is what our passion is. But not
just even not just playing games here, you know, and we're getting offer
backsides and we're going into locations and doing it. You know, we're not
just running from what people are saying on from your head. Yes exactly.
Um, you know, I I basically am a psychic EmPATH and so the
feelings will come to me, but I want to know what it is,
you know. And basically that's why you know, it's I like to work
with a psychic medium because we can bounce things off of each other. Um.
But basically it's you know, I'm not going to say, oh,
I'm really sad someone died here. It's just this is what I'm feeling.
I'm feeling sadness, I'm feeling loneliness. And that's when we start to piece
things together. Right, I totally agree with that. Yeah, I'm just
gonna say I totally agree with that. And I've always you know, we're
working with some really good mediums and insensitives and things. Um, it's the
same thing. They'll tell me. They get bits and pieces and it's like
a jigsaw piece. When you've got to you'll put this together. And part
when we all sit down together and we hash it out and you know,
you're trying to figure out what it could be. And I mean that's as
I like to call it. We always get to we'll get together before we
go on an investigation and we like to have dinner or coffee or something.
And then after an investigation and as I call it, we tell war stories.
You know, that's kind of the fun thing. And afterwards just peasing
everything together and well, you know, the julide EmPATH felt this, scot
the medium got this, but then our equipment said something else. And then
have our recordings. I mean that that's the coolest part of it all,
is putting it together, like you say, like a jigsaw puzzle. Yes,
and it's fun and I love it, you know, and I think
you need to have that balance of everything. So if you've got your equipment,
which is you know, backing up what's being picked up by the medium,
and you know somebody who's sensitive, and you can bring all that together
so you know, you've got somebody telling you you know, there's a gentleman
standing there and this is what's happening, and then the needy eyes going off
next to it, and you're you're you're getting indications on that, and then
you're getting things in the DR sixty coming through or on the spirit box and
the same time you get the same name as what's being picked up already and
cross referencing things, and it just it's so powerful and I'll never forget being
Julie. And I don't think you were there this time. I went to
Wilson Castle, Cyndi Mayburn there and this is a place in Vermont, but
it's a castle. You know, they came up from the UK and built
a castle. And someone does here in the US rampod, I don't know,
somewhere in this room, and I knew there was something over I could
just feel it as there's something over here. Move it, put it over
there. They set it down and the thing lit up. All the lights
were going off. I was like, Wow, that's amazing, you know.
To get that validation, it's amazing. It's amazing, And to watch
that happening, it's just great. I've had it with Lee done the medium
we worked with as well, where you know, he gets information and we've
we've done some recordings and we've got the same back and I could see it
in his face. It's validation for him. Yes, at the same time
he needs that validation as well, that am I on the right track here?
Is this what I'm getting here? And then to get that it just
backs everything up. Yeah. Meil me the probably four or five years ago,
maybe even six years ago. It's a mail meat with a rampod,
and I take her everywhere I go. That is my favorite piece of equipment.
And even though I'm a psychic EmPATH, this validates what I'm seeing,
what what I'm feeling U and that rampod has been through hell and back.
She has been lifted up and smashed down on the on a table by spirit.
I mean, it's amazing. And we thought she was dead at one
point at the James House UM in New Hampshire here where. That was just
a very crazy, crazy night. Um we thought she was dead. She
was literally smashed down onto the table and she was out for the count I
took her battery out, I let her rest for a couple of days,
put a battery in. She's still good to go, brilliant, amazing.
I do enjoy the mail meeting ram as well. I used it in the
Ireland, the same hand held one and you've got some great results. We
got some fantastic results which blocked up again what was hopping in the time.
Absolutely you use you know when you over in Scotland. I mean I know
different different areas have different ideas. But do you like to work with a
medium or do you like to have strictly no. I like I like working
with the medium. I like the way that I see it is. I
like to cover all areas. I don't feel that you should discount some areas.
You know, the only thing that I'm sort of a little bit stronger
on is I can't have a synic working with me somebody who's closed, because
I don't know if you have had this, but I just feel like something
happens with the energies inside the location when there's somebody there who is not open
at all, and it's like they don't want to communicate, or it puts
me off what I'm trying to do, because you get into the stage where
you're trying to do, you know, and they're blocked off, and I
don't, you know, it just upsets it. Whereas I feel that if
people are just like you know, will show me, you know, but
I'm open to it, but just show me that is a better energy.
So I can't really work with synics. I think they're too closed off and
you know, standing doing this and not taking part, it's not good enough.
But I do enjoy working with mediums and people who who are sensitive or
developing or just empass or open to the environment, just feeling their location and
giving me what they get as well at the same time, because all of
that can build a picture of what's going on. And I feel that even
some people who may not call themselves mediums but they can feel locations, they
get some great stuff, you know, to just give me the first thought,
what do you feel? And it's usually correct. Before they could they
could go to before the analytical mind tries to take over too much with them.
I feel well, get some really good stuff. And it's not unheard
of for me to go into Loca say well, I feel like something's here
or I can I can feel that heaviness. And I think Greg would be
the same when he's there, he will say the same, and other people
who work with us. But then you do have mediums and people who work
with us who can just give us that a little bit more information. They
might feel it's male or it's female, or and what they're feeling and what
they're trying, non human, that type of thing, everything, and that
just helps us, you know, focus. And then then we could put
some equipment out and see, right, let's see what we could do here.
Let's let's choose some other devices. Let's really just work into this.
And I think that's where the magic starts happening. Yeah, you know,
Julie, I think we need to go back and do all the investigations we
didn't get to do when we were I absolutely agree, yes, yes,
about the only investigation we had really well, we went to the gail for
a short time. But yeah, we're speaking. This was it. Yeah,
some old investigations next time, Yes, definitely gil Rick is going back.
He's supposed to be there this summer. Yes, he's coming over in
June. And I think we are doing something at Bouguny. I think we're
going to go to Bougunny and do I think we're going to do a sleepover
actually and put kents in the courtyard people and do a little bit camping out
and a lotle bit more relaxed because we'll have longer and just do little sessions
at different areas, maybe a barbecue as well outside and just really walks into
it and Rick will be there for that. That should bring out some energy.
I find that sometimes when we're in places that are pretty active, you
know, sometimes not a whole lot will happen, so then we just sort
of start talking and we'll maybe be joking around and having a good time.
Then before we know it, the energy is ramped up. So I think
sometimes spirit is really attracted to living energy. I think so I've had the
exact same experiences, and especially when you're standing you're having a joke and a
giggle and something will happen at that point and it's like, hey, look
at me. They just love it and it's and I've had the exact same
experience multiple times over the years. So I think, you know, even
getting around the campfire and if we get maybe some hot drinks and just have
a nice time, I just think things will start hopping around about us and
we could prove but you're not looking for it or something. Yes, exactly.
Yeah, times we're gonna have to go We're gonna have to go back.
Yeah, I agree. I agree. Although I'm I'm going to Alaska
with Barbara um in uh the end of June, and it's not a paranormal
trap. It's the Alaska Cruise. However, we happen to have some port
calls that are very haunted, like Skagway, which is UM has the oldest.
It's called the Red Onion Saloon and it is the oldest saloon in Alaska.
UM And basically it is still the original building. Upstairs was a brothel
and it said that there are two ghosts upstairs. Um. One was a
working woman and one was a man. They're not sure who he is.
So we're taking this kind of like a day long trip. We're taking a
train up to White Pass and then we get on a bus and we tour
and we end at the Red Onion. Imagine that brilliant Maybe in my purse
at that time. No, that'll be great. That should be a nice
trip, I would think looking forward to it. Yes, yes, one
of my bucket list trips. Do you do you in being in Scotland,
have you had any experience with the UFOs over there? Oh? Yeah,
well, absolutely rightly we have. I love the topic and we have a
place I wait for a SkyWatch one night and we took some of the guys
up that we didn't see anything, but we certainly went up to try and
do because you could do the whole meditation thing, send out your intentions and
see if you can, you know, And we went to try some of
that and we made it again and I think it highly highly interesting. But
we also have they call it the Falkirk Triangle, So it's a triangle of
areas where there's a high level of sightings in Scotland and it's in central central
Scotland. And I don't know what is special about that area. I mean,
we could speculate, is it something to do with lay lines or energies
there or is this why they come into this area, or is it to
do with there is a naval base nearby there are they attracted and watching things
there? I don't know what. It does seem to have a higher,
you know, amount of sightings. I think I've heard a UFO before.
I went camping really about the Pershire area, so just a little bit,
you know, southern Highlands, and we were on the side of a lake
there and it was about two o'clock in the morning inside a tent and I
heard this. I can't it's hard to explain. It was something was in
the sky going down the water, you know, through the through the valley,
and this thing was just like a high pitched sound. It was very
It didn't sound like a boat or a car or any kind of vehicle or
a plane or anything. And I said to my friend who was with me
at the time, go and have a look, because he heard it too,
And he said to me, no, you have a look. I
said, I'm not putting my head out there, because I sort of wish
I did now, because I regret not seeing. I quite believe that there
was something going on. Never heard anything like this before. Yeah, and
we had that situation with the black chapters and the suv with the men in
black. Oh wow, I mean and that was near bonnie Bridge, Yes,
you know that's the same time. Is that the area that yeah?
Okay, okay, yeah, that was that was pretty interesting actually, and
um, a man who owned a farm stopped and asked us what we were
doing, because we're a large group kind of you know, in the middle
of the afternoon looking in the sky. Andrea Parrin is singing Moon River,
you know, trying to bring you know, Andrea. So we this man
stopped his car and I'll talk to anyone, and he just kind of rolled
down his window and he said, what are you doing? What are people
doing here? And I told him what we were doing, and he had
said he had said, oh, he said, well, this is my
lower field here, pointed over and he said, these are I come down
to check my cows. Um, he said, but my house is up
on the hill in the upper field. And I said, do you see
them? He said all the time? Oh wow, he said all the
time. He said, from my house, I see them all the time.
And it was absolutely amazing, just so matter of factly. I mean
it's it's amazing. I mean, I've got another friend who does a lot
of skywatches with you know, the whole night vision and scopes and things,
and he told me that there is a lot He sees the triangle shaped ones
as well, and he says they're there. He says they're a million percent
they're there, and it's just seeing them and paying attention. Most people are
just on their phone, is walking around like this, or not paying attention
and they're not looking. But me, I think I think we're getting closer
to some sort of disclosure. I can see it moving that way. More
people were talking about it, I agree things and now we're getting government starting
to the government is releasing information. Absolutely. I'm not sure if you have
a there's a TV program here in the US National Geographic or Discovery channel about
a place called Skywalker Ranch. Oh yeah, I've been watching some of it.
A great, great show. It's amazing the things that have gone on
out there. Right, Sorry, I mean to catch you up. We
have about two minutes left, so I just I don't want to cut up
the conversation. But I'm always doing this. I'm always like, all right,
how can people hear about your shows. I know it's on Discovery Plus.
Do you know if the new one from Ireland is going to be coming
on in the US at some point? Yes, I believe it will be
in the US. It's probably going to be around about September. I will
be putting details up if I get them. Chris Flemy always puts details up
as well. So it should be in Discovery Plus. And maybe it's at
the Travel Channel. I think it aired. It could be on there,
and and then in the UK obviously in the Really TV and Discovery Plus.
Yeah, we do. I was just gonna say we have quite a few
listeners in the UK and over in Europe, so they can have Discovery Plus
and we have Discovery Plus streaming service. It will be on there, and
we have Really Channel which is Discovery Own channel, and it will air free
on there, which I think is probably similar to the Travel Channel. Um,
so they can watch it on there as well. But if I get
dates, I will have them everywhere. So people do something fantastic, very
exciting. Yes, that's great, and you know to know somebody that's doing
it, and you know, it's fun when you can watch to go and
and know the people you're Yeah, I know I investigated with it. You've
investigated, investigate. Fantastic anyway, Ryan, I've been trying to get you
on for a while. I know we had a conflict last or whenever it
was, but so glad you're finally able to make it, and I thank
you for staying up till midnight now dearly one o'clock in the morning to be
with us. We really do appreciate it. And you can go over evidence.
Yeah, all right, right, have a great week and we'll see
you next week on the show. Thank you, Ryan, great to chat
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