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This is Later with Lee Matthews.
The Lee Matthews Podcast More of what You

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Hear Weekday Afternoon is on the Drive. Best selling offer and former Speaker the

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House Nuth Gingish is joining us now
to not only talk about his podcast Newts

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World, which can be heard everywhere
you get podcasts, but also the iHeartRadio

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app and his new book, How
Big Government Socialism Is Crippling America Defeating Big

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Government Socialism. Speaker, former Speaker
of the House, King Rich, Welcome.

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I'm glad to be with you,
and I'm glad they were changed to

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chat with you. Yes, we
chatted earlier about a lot of these types

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of topics, and we need only
look no further than the recent battle over

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the debt ceiling. That's right.
Well, I actually have a brand new

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book coming out called Marshal the Majority, which talks about that kind of a

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fight because when we won in nineteen
ninety four, we were faced with how

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do you change the government, and
we had to negotiate with President Bill Clinton

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and it was a one step at
a time process. We ultimately got the

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only four years of a balanced budget
in your lifetime, but we did it

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one step at a time, and
I think if you measure the recent negotiations,

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if it's the first step, this
was a pretty good deal, and

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Speaker McCarthy deserves a lot of credit
if it's the last bad deal. And

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my support for it was based on
my own experience to the Speaker of the

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House that this was, in fact
the first step towards a remarkable period,

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and I think that that's going to
turn out to be true. The next

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thing they're going to do, I
believe, is the House Republicans will produce

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a proposal to get to a balanced
budget, and then they will continue the

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investigation process. In this fall,
you're going to have twelve appropriations bills,

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and every one of them, I
think is going to cut spending below what

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the death ceiling called for. I
mean, it's an argument that seems to

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be as old as the party itself. Democrats love to give or make people

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think they're getting free stuff, and
it's it's not ceased in my lifetime,

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and I don't think even in your
lifetime. How can we get Democrats to

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just stop spending money they don't have. Well, I think he replaced them

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with Republicans who vote no. I
mean, that was that was part of

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the lesson marched the Majority is that
you had to go out and make the

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case. Something we had learned from
Ronald Reagan, who was extraordinarily good at

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convincing people and who in some ways
you could argue as the most successful president

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in modern times, and that he
set out to do three really big things

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that he got all three of them
done. He defeated the Soviet Empire,

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he renewed the American economy, and
he rebuild our belief in our cult,

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in our civic culture as patriotic Americans. And those were his three goals,

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and he was remarkably good at it. And I think that we when we

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did the contract with America in nineteen
ninety four, we were literally standing on

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Reagan's shoulders there. Every single item
in the contract was something Reagan would have

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supported. And it's it's well,
it's worth remembering. And this is why

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I talked about one step at a
time and marched the majority. We point

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out that Reagan in nineteen sixty five, when he first campaigned for governor,

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was for welfare reform, and Reagan
ended up ultimately we passed it in nineteen

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ninety six, thirty one years later. Now that you know and then that

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reform, by the way, was
the most successful application of work in American

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history. Millions of people left dependency, got jobs, rose in income,

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and took more children out of poverty
than any other legislation ever passed. And

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it was pure Reaganism. March to
the Majority is the newest book from New

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Gingrich and he is joining us now
on the drive. Another thing I'm seeing

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in the Democrat Party, mister speaker, is there's this notion or this movement

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to destroy election day across the country. We're seeing more and more states opt

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to either expand how many days you
can vote, to how many means by

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which you can vote, and destroy
election day. I think the Democrats believe

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that the more confusing they can make
it, the longer it can be what

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they want. Republicans focus on campaigns, Democrats actually focus on the election.

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So what Democrats want is the longest
possible time to track you down and make

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sure you voted if you are.
And that's part of why they do that.

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You know, the French have an
election on one day, and everybody

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in France goes to vote on one
day. They vote with paper ballots,

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they're counted that day, and there's
no significant amount of theft. I think

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the Democrats believe if you had a
totally honest election, they would lose,

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and so they have a deep passion, whether it's in Chicago or California or

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you name it, to find ways
to have longer elections. And I get

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the idea that the Founding and this
is where the history professor and you is

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probably going to come out. I
get the idea the Founding Fathers when they

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composed our system of government, if
you did not wish to participate in the

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process, they didn't want you to. They actually thought citizenship was a responsibility.

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And if you had said, we're
going to find some way to get

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ignorant people who don't know anything at
all to show up and vote, and

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by the way, well you know, we will make sure that they vote

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the right way by giving them whiskey
or whatever, they would have thought there

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was not a birth. But the
Founding Fathers also understood that politics is inherently

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dangerous to a free society because it
leads to factions. I mean, Washington

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talks about this very clearly and was
very worried that you'd end up with people

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who maneuvered, not for the country's
interests, but for their own interest and

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of course that partly just the human
nature. March to the Majority is the

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new book by a new Gangbridge where
he talks about what happened in nineteen ninety

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four and a lot of that can
be applied today. Mister speaker, Well,

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I actually wrote March the Majority is
a cookbook for today's generation. I

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think people will find that it relates
very directly to their lives today, and

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that you can go through the book
and take out lessons that can be applied

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by the Republicans, whether it's in
Congress or the state legislature, or you

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name it. And I think for
citizens it's also a very useful kind of

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cookbook to measure how can we be
effective? You know, we did get

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to four consecutive balanced budgets the only
time your lifetime, and we did get

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to the largest conservative reform, the
welfare reform, in ways that we're actually

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pretty remarkable, and we got a
Democratic president to sign them. So it

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is doable. It can be done, and marsh the Majority shows you how

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to do it. What have we
been doing since then? Have we just

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been renewing the same old budget each
and every year? Or have just been

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going by the same template each and
every year. In the last sense of

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very determined, solid leadership, the
natural pattern of the system is to spend

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more, tax more, build bigger
bureaucracies. I mean this whole idea,

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for example, of the three and
a half billion dollars for an FBI headquarters

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that will be bigger than the Pentagon
is a perfect example of deureaucracy. It's

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like dinosaurs. They grow as big
as they can get, and I think

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one of the challenges to citizens is
to put them on a diet and shrink

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them. And I think that what
you had is in the absence of a

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Reagan quality of leadership, and we
were standing on Reagan's shoulders, so we

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had a huge advantage. In the
absence of that kind of leadership, the

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system just gradually migrates in the wrong
direction. I think Trump probably did as

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much as any one person to do
to shake up the system, but as

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you saw, that aroused levels of
criminal behavior against him by the bureaucracy that

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I look at. I'm astonished at
the kind of law breaking, for example,

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that senior FBI agents engaged in,
or that the intelligence services gaged in,

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or the level of dishonesty that the
news media got involved in because they

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were all just you know, they
were they were rapid about this guy who

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was breaking up their games. Well, along those lines, mister speaker,

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knew Gingrich is with us. You
remember the Nixon administration. I can't help

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thinking Nixon would have loved to have
had an FBI like that. Well,

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I think you know that was one
of the great dangers. It's an enormous

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danger through to it and the FBI
targeting individuals. I mean, once you

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bring the power of the government to
bear, no individual citizen can stand up

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to it. March to the Majority
is the new book from Newt Gingrich.

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You can also hear his podcast,
newts World, on the iHeartRadio app and

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everywhere you get podcasts. Mister speaker, I'm delighted to speak to you again

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and look forward to reading the book. Look forward to coming back again.

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