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You're listening to the Paranormal UK Radio
Network, the best in paranormal talk radio

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in the UK and around the world. Paranormal Dimensions is fortnightly on Mondays on

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the Paranormal UK Radio Network. Let
me know when you've got your instruments ready

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and I need all the figures I
can get. Hello, this is Nick

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Pope and you're listening to the Paranormal
UK Radio Network, the UK's biggest paranormal

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network, and this is Paranormal Dimensions
with David Young. Hello, welcome to

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the show. I'm David Young.
Okay, first, today's guest. If

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you were expecting a show with a
young lady named Hollywood, I'm afraid that

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one's been postponed for a little while
as Holly wasn't very well, so I

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had to cancel that one. But
she will be coming on the show earlier

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in the new year, so I
have to work for that one. I'm

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afraid to find out who Hollywood is
if you don't know already. But instead

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of that, I've got another great
show for you with the mister Phil Graham.

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Now, anyone who listen to this
show regularly may realize that I had

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Phil Graham on the show with his
good friend Dave Hunt, and that was

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back in July. But as you're
hear me say on the show, I

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didn't think that Phil had a good
endings on that show, so I thought

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i'd give him another chance to come
on and put his side of the story.

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So that's Phil Graham. So I'll
waste no more time. I'd like

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to welcome Phil to the show.
Phil, Welcome to the show once again.

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Hey David, thanks for having me. I say once again, because

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you were on the show a few
months back in July I believe it was,

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and you were on with Dave Hunt, your old friend. I wanted

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to invite you back on the show
because I didn't think that you really had

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much of a chance to put your
point of view towards a lot of things.

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It seemed to be more Dave's show. So I really thought it would

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be good to get you back on
the show and to give your perspective on

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a lot of things. As you
know, I've called this particular show strange

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Visions, because you've had quite a
few strange visions in your time. As

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I understand it, along with Dave. Now, I also think that you

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believe a lot of this is actually
dimensional or mentioned or was that right?

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Yeah? Yeah, jumping straight in, Yeah, I do. I mean

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the best of my you know,
ability to discern what's what's put before my

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eyes. I'm led to believe that
and that that, Yeah, it's dimensional

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of nature, and it's led me
to research all kinds of things, including

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science and you know the realms that
it would take you into if you were

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researching those sorts of things. Yeah, I mean, I know I sort

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of did not jumping straight in like
you said, I mean, what kind

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of what's what started? Where we're
what we were early days of these experiences?

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Yeah, I guess you know,
cosmosis for me was around about the

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start of it in adulthood, should
we say, I mean, if we're

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going back to the early days,
it was. It was definitely started in

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childhood. And I would suggest that
most people have those experiences, but you

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know, the adults don't talk about
it, and you know that they weren't

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talking about it because I think there's
something that happens to us from from when

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we were younger over the time where
we grow up. I think our minds

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are conditioned in a way using something
called neuroplasticity, where it lets you figure

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your mind to have the ability to
do things. But yeah, you know,

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and then and then as you sort
of get older, you you just

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forget about it and you think that
it was just your imagination as a child.

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And I guess you don't think anything
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I guess the fining fact that for
me was, you know, in my

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personal experience was having an like having
a moment as an adult where you know,

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it was it was undeniable, shall
we say, which is why I'm

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led to believe that it is in
it is dimensional in nature. And when

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we talk about dimensions, you know, these are some of the toughest questions

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in science to date, so you
know, and scientists are you know,

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fast approaching these concepts, and you
know, they're quickly becoming able to explain

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them. Yeah. I think everyone's
agreed that we we have only got a

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very narrow sense of the wave wave
wavelengths, but that we can see and

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there are things sort of either side
of us that'll probably go for miles that

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we just can't see, yeah,
or even right in front of you.

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Yeah, I suppose if it's sort
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frequency, Yeah, exactly, exactly. Now, what if what if whole

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dimensions of reality exist and you know, there's matter that exists in them,

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there's you know, physics and everything, but it's right on top of us.

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Should we say, just outside of
our perception of awareness that we're able

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to obtain mm hm. You know, scientists do talk about this, they

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call it like extra temporal dimensions,
and they know how to manipulate it to

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some extent with very primitive technologies,
like you say, like radio waves and

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frequencies, mostly pioneered in the First
and Second World Wars. So without war

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we would we probably wouldn't have those
technologies, which is quite crazy. Yeah,

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it's quite strange really. Yeah,
like, you know, our economy

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isn't really geared up to innovate at
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time, which is it's nuts.
Like it doesn't seem sane to me.

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That doesn't seem like a saying approach
to living or life. But hey,

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you know, I didn't I didn't
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so hey hoe mm hmm. I
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the your head and what sort of
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had a couple of experiences when I
was younger, when I was probably about

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four to six years old, I
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guess that was one of the first
experiences that I had, and that was

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the more passive experience, shall we
say. It just started with a little

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voice inside my head that I suggested
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the mirror that was in the hallway. So I did, because you know,

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I didn't really have much else on, being four and all. So

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I went and I looked in the
mirror and then the same voice sort of

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said to me, just remember a
couple of things for us. I said,

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okay, whoever else is and it
said, look in the mirror,

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everything's a reflection and nothing exists.
So I thought, okay, that's really

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found. And then they thought they
sort of said, well, thank you

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for it like this, and I've
heard this said since, but you know,

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I'm not saying it's true for any
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I'm just sort of saying it was
a profound lesson that taught me a lot.

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And they said, well, everything's
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that stuck with me about the nature
of reality. I was it was probably

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dumbed down for a child of a
different species, so we say, so,

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you know, just took it in
my stride. And then there was

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another experience that happened quite soon after
that, I would say within a couple

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of weeks. That was when I
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it was a bit weird. And
I sat in my room again as

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as a child, and I got
the sense in that sense when somebody walks

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in through the door and you feel
like air displacement. Yeah, I got

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that sense from like behind me,
but there was no door there, so

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I just sort of turned around.
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Now they weren't full in features,
but they were humanoids that much I

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knew, and there were glass like
in nature, and I could see through

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them. They were translucent. And
there was two at the time for me,

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adult sized ones, you know,
normal height, and there was two

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half sized ones. I got the
impression they were like children. And again

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at the time, I was hearing
these communications as voices in my head.

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But now it's changed and the sort
of younger ones, or what I would

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perceived as younger the half sized silhouettes
sort of said can we stay in and

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watch this one, and the sort
of older ones sort of said, we'll

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come back to date. This is
a this is a bit long, this

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one will come back when it gets
exciting, so I thought. And then

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with that, these silhouettes glass like
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out of a second story window through
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bother them, and I've shrugged it
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mean a lot of being a four
year old, like you're saying, it's

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very difficult to make something. A
lot of that up, isn't it.

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Well, I mean that sort of
age. You don't you don't even know

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what science fiction is, really,
do you? It's not. I mean

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really, all you're sort of close
to is like normal human beings, and

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you know, you would know what
ghosts were or aliens were or anything like

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that. So to a TV seeing
something like that, I think he's quite

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an amazing thing. You know.
I really wasn't interested in things like aliens.

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I certainly at four years old,
you would be, would you,

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you know, I mean, if
you if they thought that was interesting.

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There was actually one experience that predates
that experience, which would probably be more

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profound and I would say that this
experience occurred before I was alive in this

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body. I don't know how much
you are clued up on carnation and things

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like that, but yeah, I
believe in it. I do believe in

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it. I'm kind of going down
the David Knight group now where he's kind

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of explaining things about writing. You
know, it's a spot on. It's

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sort of going off a different direction, now, isn't it about this is

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a dream and carnation is a trap? Absolutely enough. I'm reading that book

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at the moment. The dream that
he's written the latest one? Great?

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Yeah, how are you finding it? Have you going? He's actually it's

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actually the heaviest going book I think
I've read of his. It's actually difficult

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to get your head around, but
with a lot of I mean it is

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great he's sinking in. But because
he does go over the same kind of

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thing over and over again quite a
bit, and I think he's doing that

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in order to drum it into you. Repetition helps the mind. Yeah,

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it does. Yeah, I mean
it's not exactly saying exactly the same thing,

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but it does it. It takes
you from a different direction, a

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different perspective, and it takes you
back to the same place. That's great.

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Yeah, I've been a big fan
of St. David ike material over

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the years. Just just such great
clarity, you know, and able to

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explain it to a layman effectively,
which is terrific. You know, just

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all those years of hard work,
you know, just just goes unnoticed a

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lot of the time. But yeah, no, great stuff. And funny

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you mentioned that David Ike just doesn't
about to talk about this next experience because,

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again touching on the same theme as
what you said, I'm four years

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old at this point. I got
no reference point for this what I'm about

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to explain. But this this first
experience that sort of happened, I guess

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that I'm aware of was being alive
in a body before this one. Now

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I don't to I don't know too
much about things there. I've just got

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a memory in the in the form
of a visual memory like we would any

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other visual memory. And I was
in another place, and it appeared that

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physics began to break, like gravity
began to break, and weird think and

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reality started to distort like I'd never
seen it. In fact, I was

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in a group of people like none
of us had ever seen it. And

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then with that what started to happen
all around us in in every direction was

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these golden spheres sort of appeared sort
of balls of light. And I get

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shaky even talking about this today because
like you know, no one, no

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one really knows what it is.
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in the world, in reality around
us and everybody else that was there,

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me included, and they grew in
nature, they got bigger and bigger until

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they were roughly twelve foot tall in
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out of these golden spheres there was
loads of them. They're all around us

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literally maybe could be one hundred scattered
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spheres is these these bipodular, reptile
looking things m hm. And and they

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just begin to attack everyone, like
just just attacked everyone. And I would

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say that that was death because when
they got me, I remember the visuals

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of what it all looked like.
I didn't really I didn't feel any pain.

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I would imagine the body is probably
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death. And I remember it was
like a slow shut speed on a camera

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where you're taking a picture at night. You might have seen them on like

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the highway where you know at night
with lights on and all of the lights

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are slip streaming all across the image. What was a similar looking thing,

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but it just had motion to it. So I'm sort of struggling, and

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you know, what I can see
is me struggling around and the environment that

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I'm in. But with that,
it's beginning to slip and slide or around

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until it becomes incomprehensible and it turns
to black, and then there's a brief

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moment of blackness, and then next
thing I know, I appeared to be

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in a much smaller body. My
hands are smaller, and everything's read around

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me. Almost the best way to
describe it is like shining a torch underneath

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your thumb and seeing it like red. And then I'm being jutted around but

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what only appears to be a heartbeat
to my best recollection, and then with

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that my memory cut off. And
if you know anything about the mind and

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science, you know the hippocampus what
most scientists attribute to memory consolidation, So

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retrieving and storing memories isn't actually fully
developed until you're about the age of two.

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So your memory and your coherence of
the world doesn't actually begin to develop

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until that age. Why still development
don't link? Yeah to tell me.

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And so my memory just went away
until I was about two years old,

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but still concerned by what I'd witnessed. One of my first sentences to my

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mum at the time was I was
chased by a crocodile. That was That

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was one of my first sentences that
I verbalized. And I checked this out

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twenty years later. I asked her, I said, you know, oh,

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can you cast your memory back for
me? Do you ever remember me

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mentioning anything about a crocodile as a
kid? She's like, yeah, you

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wouldn't shut up about it, something
about being chased, and well that just

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was enough to send my hair on
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got a bear in mind. At
this time, I don't know who David

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Ike is. I don't know anything
about you know, reptiles or or anything

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like that. So yeah, I
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based on my own personal experience,
is in line and correct. There

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is carnation, reincarnation, and it
can be a trap as we're being farmed

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by an inter dimensional species of reptiles. It would appear, but again obviously

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incredibly hard to prove in the eyes
of science. Yeah, it's impossible to

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prove, isn't it. I mean, you've got to first prove that into

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dimensional travel is possible. And we're
still operating on propulsion and haven't even entertained

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the idea of repulsion yet. So
let's try and clarify that a little bit

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for people that might be listening to
this and don't kind of understand what you're

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saying and what I'm sort of getting
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third dimension. Outside of that is
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of controlled in this life, if
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and and the next dimension of that
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isn't it, which is like the
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I think I believe that's what you're
saying as well, what you're what you're

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agreeing with, is that right?
Yeah? I guess so. And I'll

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be honest with you, I'm still
researching a lot of this stuff myself and

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trying to figure it out as day
by day goes on. But yeah,

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I'm just trying to simplify for if
anyone trying to get their head around what

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we're trying to say about dimensional stuff, you know, like you might have

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but when we kind of die,
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that fifth dimension is like an all
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you get your choice as to whether
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that's that's why I see. Yeah, I try to simplify it a little

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bit, that's absolutely. I just
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what I've learned is it doesn't appear
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that. But yeah, to simplify
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there seems to be whole universes out
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as infinite as this one. But
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I think we then think, oh, well, there's a multiverse.

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Well perhaps the universe is actually all
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I think that's where a lot of
the flat air stuff might get a little

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bit confused with what they're dealing with. Yeah, I mean, I mean

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I've really tried, you know,
I want these people to have their scientific

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model, but it's hard, you
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the narrative on it, and you
know, it's a shame, but there's

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a lot of evidence to suggest in
the scientific arena that, like, we

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live in a flat universe, on
a flat plane of existence, and we

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live in what appears to be a
holographic universe. And if you really think

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about it and observe what we know
about you know, you know, planets

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and things like that, you know, it really is a hologram. You

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know, it can be day and
night on this planet simultaneously. You know,

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hm, just depends which angle you
look at it. That sounds like

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a hologram to me. Yeah,
no, I definitely agree with you.

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Yeah, but yeah, you know, definitely, you know, getting back

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to the carnation stuff, Yeah,
yeah, And I think that part of

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the carnation trap is not having any
awareness of previous carnations. And yeah,

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I think to simplify it it,
I think you're right in what you're saying.

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It does happen like that. But
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is that we all incarnate in the
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what we did previously. And I
think that's probably where the concept of heaven

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and out hell might come from.
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sort of in a linear fashion in
this this frequency spectrum in your carnation,

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and each time, you know,
reality could get a little bit worse or

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a little bit better perhaps, you
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each life you learn things. You
know, we're all learning every day,

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And I think that once you learn
something new, you change your awareness and

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you potentially set yourself up for where
you're you're going to go next. And

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yeah, I mean it is difficult
to get your head around when you start

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thinking about holographic universes. And but
I really don't. I mean I couldn't

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know. I didn't understand the thing
about it. I probably still don't really,

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route now that I think it's got
to be truth to it, you know,

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because now I think you're slid basically, is it? You know?

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Yeah, that's right, absolutely,
I think was Einstein may have said equals

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MC squared, you know, so
by that very you know formula, there

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is no such thing as solid so
that you know, it's littered throughout our

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understandings in the world and our knowings. But I think the biggest problem is,

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like you know, when you go
to university and you get a degree,

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you kind of just have a degree
of knowledge, and you don't really

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have perspective, and you only really
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hmm. And I do think that
that's important your worldview. And you know,

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talking about sort of the holographic nature
of reality, well, I guess

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to simplify that, it's just a
dream, you know, and a dream,

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just like we can change at any
moment, anything can happen. I

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mean, I think I had a
Bugatti once in a dream. I was

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terrified about how I was going to
afford the tires. I was very confused

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about how I obtained it. You
know, you won't worried about how much

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of fuels a costumes. No,
I mean, you'd be greater on a

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track day or something, but you
know, just a bit too much maintenance

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for me. I think, Yeah, I guess that was you know,

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basically childhood. There was other things, but probably not vital, and I

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guess after that it was it was
basically just into you know, into the

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experiences in adulthood and how those transpired
and as you got a bit older,

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did you look back on those things
and think maybe they might have been ghosts

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or something like that? I mean, do you believe in like ghosts and

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that sort of thing. I personally
have never had an experience with the ghost

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I have had. I've had clear
senses, so I have heard I have

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heard audible voices that should well didn't
come from anywhere. Basically, mm hmm.

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I've seen things when I really shouldn't
be seeing them, should we say?

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That's what I mean. But when
you thought better, did you think

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they might have been something that you
or you've probably got a different ideal birst

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to what they are now. But
I just wondered if you might have thought

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they were a lot of ghostly things
that you were seeing, or when did

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you start to tweak that it wasn't
quite there and it was something else.

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The twig is if twiggers world,
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it was normal, and I just
thought everyone went through it. And I

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guess as a child, you know, everyone humors you, so you know,

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you sort of verify that it happens
or whatever, and then and then

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you sort of ask, you know, what is it? And then you

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know people do say ghosts, that
seems to be their first first approach,

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But yeah, I settled on ghosts
for a long time, like, yeah,

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this is what I thought you might
have done, because I think that's

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kind of the first thought. If
you see, if you're seeing beings that

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you saw, the first thing that
would come to your mind is, well,

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are they ghosts? Yeah? Yeah, And I actually I had a

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little stint with a Ouiji board and
it actually it actually really messed things up

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in life for a little bit,
I'll be honest, But that's a whole

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different chain of events. But so
I do believe that that stuff is real,

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whether it you know, you're contacting
a ghost or a spirit or a

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demonic entity, shall we say.
Yeah, So I do believe that I

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just wrote it off as ghosts.
You know, everyone was saying, oh,

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yeah, it's probably just a ghost
or something, and you know,

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then you never learned about ghosts in
school, and you just forget about it,

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right, you just forget about it. And then I guess when I

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really started to notice that it probably
wasn't ghosts was probably the few years in

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the lead up to joining Cosmosis and
you know, playing shows and knowing all

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those those guys and things like that. So, and as I said,

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I had a friend, Dave,
who really helped me come to terms and

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understand some of these things. And
I don't think without I think without him,

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I wouldn't have been able to pursue
the things that I pursued, which

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ultimately led to me having that experience, shall we say, So that was

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really helpful. I mean, if
you've got a Dave, you know,

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just learn everything you can because it
can be a long journey. I'm saying

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that everyone can do this, everyone
can have these experiences ultimately, but you've

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got to really want it, should
we say, And you've got to do

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the work in order to have it. It's not easy, and it can

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sometimes be a lonely journey, but
sometimes it can be the most exciting thing

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you've ever experienced, should we say? But yeah, just just doing it

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with a group of friends was so
helpful and useful, especially people you could

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relate to who were also going through
some of the same things. So for

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me, I guess when it's you
know, these types of experience started to

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occur as an adult, I had
a large group of people around me who

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are also having similar, if not
the same experiences at the same time,

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so that that was really useful because
it allows you to explore what it is

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you've experienced without things like ridicule and
stuff like that. And what shocked me

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more than anything else is that we
were all in the same town. Here,

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I am struggling to find, you
know, anyone anywhere that knows anything

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about this stuff, but here I've
stumbled across a group of about you know,

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seven to twelve people that get it
and have had similar experiences, which

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was, like I say, really
helpful. Yeah. It makes you wonder

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if maybe you were purposely brought together
as well out there to actually help each

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other. Yeah, because I'm quite
a firm believer in things don't happen for

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you know, things do happen for
a reason, they don't sort of,

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you know, they don't happen for
no reason. Absolutely, absolutely, Yeah,

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I think you're right. I think
that the chances of life in the

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first place, you know, can't
be coincidental, so the events that happen

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in them. But yeah, I
mean, we live in chaos, but

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you know, it seems very well
organized. I think that you know,

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there are black holes in the universe
that don't seem to collide with each other,

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because they seem to just be dancing
with each other, almost like waltz.

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But yeah, if they collided,
they would release disproportionate energy to their

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mass and that would be the end
of the universe. But you know,

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if you look at and they're just
dancing, you know, we've got all

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these tremendous forces which could destroy it
self and it doesn't. Oh, yes,

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the thing, do we really understand
what black holes are? Still?

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I mean, scientists took a picture
of it apparently, and apparently they say

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it's like it's the densest areas of
the universe, and some speculate that if

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you go through it, it's probably
a wormhole. But I guess no one's

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ever really gone through it, because
I mean, you know, so I

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guess maybe we'll never know. But
you know, the things we're talking about

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are are not too far from removed
from from right in front of us.

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I said earlier that a lot of
our technology in the world works around propulsion

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and explosion. I mean, even
the combustion engine works around explosions happening,

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and that propels the vehicle forward,
whether it's an aircraft or a motor vehicle.

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Of some kind, and we've seem
to have put all the legs in

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one basket. And I think if
we maybe spent a little bit of time

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focusing on the opposite. So maybe
if we focused on implosive forces and the

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idea of repulsion, because that seems
like a worthwhile endeavor. And I think

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that's how we arrive at a lot
of the interstellar interdimensional travel using obviously like

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quantum entanglement, shall we say,
I guess that's the people's best understanding of

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it, I e. Scientists.
I'd like to just sort of make out.

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That's quite an important point, I
guess in things, because where is

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this all going? What is this
all for? I guess for me,

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I'm a technology person, and I
guess that's what drives me. But it'd

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be great if if we had some
of these technologies. But you know,

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I just think that it you know, there's fear of us strapping a weapon

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to it and trying to blow each
other up. Oh you raise an interesting

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point there, actually, do you
not think that maybe how secret governments because

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they're obviously not the governments at the
front. Do you not think they may

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already be doing this behind the scenes. Yes, absolutely, of course they

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are. I think, you know, for as well as we don't actually

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know, I think anyone would be
foolish not to deduce that as the reality.

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You know, hypersonic missiles seem to
be thrown about now, you know.

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And I'd say that the US is
the military industrial or complex, So

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any military industrial complex advancements that happen
in Darper or you know, areas or

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groups like that would would definitely be
secret. And I'd say that they advance

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technologically on a scale for every year
that we advanced technologically in the consumer world,

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in the public world, they're probably
advancing forty years every year. You

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know. I've seen things on video
from I don't know obviously, it's one

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of those things we just can't verify. But you know, and like I

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say, I'm I'm a computer person, so I can I can spot fake

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you know, computer generated stuff.
But you know, similar technology I've seen

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the US military to have, you
know, it's quite impressive. They can

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make whole aircraft disappear before your eyes
using the light it would appear, but

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again can't. The US government will
never confirm nor deny these technologies because the

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best, the best tool is secrecy. With these things, and you know,

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they don't really want anyone to know
they've got these technologies. So yeah,

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I would say if we were trying
to match up with the Bob Blazar

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story, for anyone who's familiar with
that story, go and give it a

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investigate and a review. It's amazing
if we were trying to line up with

409
00:35:22,159 --> 00:35:27,239
that story. You know, a
lot of the crafts that were in s.

410
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:31,599
S four, I think I don't
even know Area fifty one that Bobazar

411
00:35:31,679 --> 00:35:37,800
talks about. He claims that they
they weren't actually built. They were found

412
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:40,960
in archaeological digs. A couple of
them they were, they were here,

413
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:47,239
And I think that they definitely reversed
engineered a lot of that technology. And

414
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:53,599
I do think that they've they've now
created aircrafts with that technology, but obviously

415
00:35:53,719 --> 00:36:01,079
won't won't make it public for obvious
reasons. It's so there's a concert of

416
00:36:01,119 --> 00:36:05,960
bobbers are for a moment now.
For about twenty years, I actually believed

417
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:08,559
a lot of what bobbers I was
saying, and then all of a sudden,

418
00:36:08,599 --> 00:36:13,400
I started hearing a few things about
oh he's lying and he wasn't there

419
00:36:13,519 --> 00:36:15,400
and everything like that. So it
put me on the fence a little bit,

420
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:20,320
and I'm kind of still on the
fence with bobbers Are. But do

421
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:30,800
you believe that's what he's actually been
saying, is truly I do? I

422
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:34,280
do. I see a lot of
the same behaviors in him that I would

423
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:39,280
see in myself when trying to explain
this. And now we're either great actors

424
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:46,920
or you know, what's happened to
us is genuine. So I can relate

425
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:52,000
to that, I can, you
know. Of course, on the other

426
00:36:52,039 --> 00:36:59,079
side of it, you get these
people saying he wasn't there to actually sort

427
00:36:59,119 --> 00:37:02,199
of deconstruct his whole story, doesn't
it once you start a lot of the

428
00:37:02,199 --> 00:37:06,039
same sort of things they did with
David Night, basically just saying I was

429
00:37:06,039 --> 00:37:08,119
a nuts and he's just lying and
everything. And you know they do the

430
00:37:08,119 --> 00:37:10,920
same with a lot of people.
I'll think that's just to try and take

431
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:19,119
him out of the picture. Yes, there are covert operations throughout our entire

432
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:27,440
society on every level, in the
police to the military, and absolutely trying

433
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:31,519
to erase this man's history after he
went public with some of this stuff.

434
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:37,480
Is absolutely in line with them.
Discredit, discredit, discredit, lie until

435
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:44,119
people believe it. But fortunately enough, there's been some real great things that

436
00:37:44,119 --> 00:37:49,719
have happened since since those people tried
to destroy him. Somewhat vindicated, shall

437
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:54,960
we say. Element one fifteen was
added to the periodic table, which was

438
00:37:55,039 --> 00:38:00,320
nice. He'd been talking about that
in the year's lead up. So that

439
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:05,199
was the nuclear material, the isotope
which they were able to create the anti

440
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:13,639
gravity from allegedly. Hm hmm.
Yeah. So maybe i'd better come off

441
00:38:13,679 --> 00:38:16,199
the fence and sort of sor Yeah. I mean, I've got to say

442
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:20,880
I'm still on the fence a little
bit. Yeah, but as I say,

443
00:38:21,039 --> 00:38:23,800
I have actually been following it a
little bit since then. Maybe I'm

444
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:28,920
kind of coming off the fence on
bobblers OL's side of going. But I

445
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:34,400
did actually feel a great sense of
disappointment after I've been following and believing in

446
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:37,239
for twenty years. You know.
But I guess I said, they do

447
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:42,199
it, you know, they say
they try to discredit people. Yeah,

448
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:45,440
just discredit them. I likely deep
with David Dight as I say, it's

449
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:52,239
and several other people, as you
know, when they lose their platforms,

450
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:55,920
et cetera. Yeah, it's it's
their remo and they you know, but

451
00:38:57,039 --> 00:38:58,960
you know, everyone's free to believe
that they want. Like, that's the

452
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:01,480
great thing about life. You know, We've all got differences, I say,

453
00:39:01,559 --> 00:39:06,760
you know, our differences should be
celebrated and our similarities should be appreciated,

454
00:39:07,599 --> 00:39:10,760
and it doesn't matter, Like so
what if we have different opinions,

455
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:14,599
That's good because you might teach me
something and I might teach you something.

456
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:17,920
So it's always good to have different
opinions. There was another thing with the

457
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:22,880
hand scanner, wasn't there as well? Where they actually did Bob he was

458
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:27,719
talking about this hand scanner that they
used to get there to clock in.

459
00:39:28,199 --> 00:39:31,800
Oh yes, yeah, and it
measured the hands the bones, like size

460
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:37,880
and stuff like that. And he
was working with a researcher in modern days,

461
00:39:38,159 --> 00:39:45,119
and this researcher managed to actually source
a photograph of the device that he

462
00:39:45,199 --> 00:39:50,519
was talking about, and then he
managed to actually show him a photo and

463
00:39:50,639 --> 00:39:54,199
capture his reaction live, like as
if it was his first reaction to it.

464
00:39:55,079 --> 00:39:58,480
Man, he was so excited.
He was like, oh my god,

465
00:39:58,559 --> 00:40:00,800
where did you find this? You
know, you you found this?

466
00:40:00,039 --> 00:40:04,840
Like this is the machine I was
telling you about, and yeah, you

467
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:09,440
know, it's it's quite remarkable and
you know, it's either a great,

468
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:15,840
great hoax, you know, and
at that point, yeah, you couldn't

469
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:19,440
even be mad at the guy,
like for you know, just a level

470
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:23,599
of intellect that we needed to pull
something that off. It would it would

471
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:29,159
you know, would poke out massive
security flaws in how we process knowledge.

472
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:35,719
You know. So I think that
some people who have taken a media degree

473
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:42,559
might call it the bullet injection theory
mm hmmm, where you're sort of swaying

474
00:40:42,679 --> 00:40:50,159
by propaganda. There's a whole methodology
behind how you create convincing like propaganda.

475
00:40:52,519 --> 00:40:55,599
But as we've seen over the last
few years with several things, and we

476
00:40:57,159 --> 00:41:00,480
you know, yeah, I think
we've had a I think the last four

477
00:41:00,519 --> 00:41:05,440
years, we've had such an influx
of propaganda. It's been ridiculous, especially

478
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:10,880
since these wars have started as well. You know, it's just hard to

479
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:15,400
know what's what's going on. And
you know, you go to Russia today,

480
00:41:15,519 --> 00:41:17,039
you get one side of the story. You go to the BBC,

481
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:22,719
you get another side. It's just
at the end of the day, you

482
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:27,760
seem like you have to just sort
of read read everything and just try and

483
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:31,760
put it all together and figure out
what's fake. And well, the thing

484
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:35,679
is. I mean, it says
a lot to me when they won't even

485
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:39,440
let us watch our t now Russia
today at the TV station. Yeah,

486
00:41:39,679 --> 00:41:45,840
that actually says a lot to me
about free speech in this country. Why

487
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:52,079
would they let us watch Russia today? Yeah, I mean I don't know.

488
00:41:52,199 --> 00:41:58,239
I think they lifted the ban on
the website now because on Sky TV

489
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:00,920
has not been allowed back on there
yet. This they will bring it back,

490
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:05,199
but so yeah, of course I'm
forgetting about the website, but of

491
00:42:05,199 --> 00:42:07,960
course not everyone goes to it,
do they. You're more likely to watch

492
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:12,880
a TV station. I know they
did take what they did as they blocked

493
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:16,280
the website from being accessed in this
country for a short period of time when

494
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:22,280
the war first started, and then
now you can access it again online.

495
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:28,159
But that in and of itself is
a scary prospect as well. I mean

496
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:31,800
internet censorship, the ability to be
able to do something like that, I

497
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:36,639
can't. It's not even like a
hack, right, You just need access

498
00:42:36,679 --> 00:42:38,519
to the stuff to be able to
do it. And there's only like one

499
00:42:38,639 --> 00:42:42,880
organization in the world that has access
to the stuff to be able to do

500
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:49,440
something like that. And it's just
scary that these these psychopaths have got access

501
00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:52,599
to that, and they can turn
off whoever they want to. I think

502
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:57,760
the argument was best put by a
chap called Aaron Schwartz. You know,

503
00:42:58,159 --> 00:43:00,000
in the future of the internet,
it's not about who gets an air wave,

504
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:05,400
it's about who gets hurt. And
this was that was a quote from

505
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:10,239
maybe fifteen years ago, you know, so tremendous foresight even back then.

506
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:15,960
But yeah, you know, who
is anyone else to tell you what you

507
00:43:16,119 --> 00:43:23,000
can and can't watch, you know, providing it's just not you know,

508
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:29,920
the absolute depravity of mankind. Yeah, you know, but definitely in the

509
00:43:30,079 --> 00:43:34,960
sort of current events, you know, politics arena, we should definitely be

510
00:43:35,119 --> 00:43:39,679
free to ye what you would to
watch. I agree. Yeah, I

511
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:45,480
think politicians call it optics. They
worry about the optics, and unfortunately the

512
00:43:45,559 --> 00:43:52,320
optics involves you or I, our
perception would involve the optics. So they

513
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:57,079
worry about the optics and what we
think of them. And this is what

514
00:43:57,119 --> 00:43:59,880
we get when they pander to us, and they are pandering to us.

515
00:44:00,559 --> 00:44:06,480
If you watch any politician on any
interview for long enough, you realize they're

516
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:13,960
just regurgitating the same three lines.
It's a shame. You'd like to have

517
00:44:14,039 --> 00:44:21,280
respect for your leaders. But you
know, it's unfortunately really soon that he

518
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:28,880
always says, because it's the right
thing to do, the right thing to

519
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:32,679
do with you to house the homeless. Yeah, I agree, but he's

520
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:36,840
always saying that is his favorite lawe
isn't it because it's the right thing to

521
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:40,760
do? But yeah, it's all
human behavioralism at the end of the day,

522
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:47,079
And it sure you. Human behavioralism
is a very effective and real technology

523
00:44:47,159 --> 00:44:52,239
that's being deployed on a daily basis
through all walks of life, designed to

524
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:59,400
control human perception in order to dictate
human behavior. And I guess the moment

525
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:05,119
that we're aware of it is the
moment it stops controlling us. It's done

526
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:10,840
very very cleverly through various different means, subtle but yet effective and powerful,

527
00:45:13,039 --> 00:45:15,960
and only because people are none none
the wiser. But I think that we

528
00:45:16,079 --> 00:45:21,559
really begin to see human behavioralism,
you know, rear its ugly head.

529
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:27,519
During the COVID area they were they
were working on a very potent combination of

530
00:45:27,639 --> 00:45:39,000
neurochemistry could even be best described in
a human behavioralist experiment called Pavlov's Dog about

531
00:45:39,039 --> 00:45:45,599
fear conditioning and how to condition people
and it's quite interesting neuroscience when you get

532
00:45:45,639 --> 00:45:51,280
to the crooks of it, like
how to control human behavior with with fear.

533
00:45:53,159 --> 00:45:58,360
If you look at brain scans and
you know anything about the sort of

534
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:01,960
areas of the mind, you see
that if you take a brains can of

535
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:07,440
have someone's mind when they're going through
this sort of process of being controlled by

536
00:46:07,519 --> 00:46:12,360
fear, you can see that it
starts off in the language center. So

537
00:46:13,039 --> 00:46:17,719
obviously what people are hearing is where
it first arises. They're decoding it in

538
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:22,400
the language center. It's then moving
over to the fear center called the amygdala,

539
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:24,679
which is on the other side of
the brain, on the left side.

540
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:30,480
So we're now, you know,
shooting neurons from left from the language

541
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:35,519
center to the fear center. And
then from the amygdala the fear center,

542
00:46:35,559 --> 00:46:39,840
it moves into the olympic system through
the hippocampus, which is the memory.

543
00:46:42,079 --> 00:46:45,039
And once it's in the olympic system, which I guess is what David Like

544
00:46:45,159 --> 00:46:51,239
calls the r complex or the reptilian
brain, it then gets into our nervous

545
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:57,519
system and that's our spinal column.
And then once electoral signals have been passed

546
00:46:57,519 --> 00:47:01,320
down the spinal column, well then
we're moving limbs, you know. So

547
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:05,079
so he talks about that area of
the brain that just reacts and doesn't think.

548
00:47:06,199 --> 00:47:12,119
Well, it's very much applicable in
neuroscience and very well demonstrated. Might

549
00:47:12,159 --> 00:47:17,719
I add with with the use of
modern brain scans, and you can see

550
00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:22,000
this electrical activity in the brain,
and we know it's there because we can

551
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:28,519
see ions passing through the cells on
the scans. So you know, it's

552
00:47:28,599 --> 00:47:31,159
very interesting. And I would say
that you know, people there are are

553
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:35,599
leaders are aware of this. You
know, they had a whole team during

554
00:47:35,599 --> 00:47:43,360
COVID they called it stage and they
they terrified an entire nation and they've broken

555
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:49,480
the economy because of it, and
now we've got to deal with the repercussions

556
00:47:49,519 --> 00:47:58,159
of that with things like high inflation
and various other issues. So, but

557
00:47:58,199 --> 00:48:04,000
you're absolutely right. And the whole
reason they want to control human perception is

558
00:48:04,039 --> 00:48:07,599
because they want to control our perception
of what's possible. And when I say,

559
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:09,719
you know, if you want to
have these experience, you've got to

560
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:15,440
put in the work. Well,
the work is that they want to control

561
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:20,039
your perception of what's possible, and
you've got to undo what they've done to

562
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:29,039
in ormers to be able to have
those experiences. And I guess as an

563
00:48:29,079 --> 00:48:31,719
adult, that's where you do the
real work, because you know, as

564
00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:37,199
a child you're not really a conditioned
mind. Yet you haven't been through society,

565
00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:43,440
you haven't been through school, or
at least you haven't finished. So

566
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:46,079
you know when I say putting the
work in as an adult, you've effectively

567
00:48:46,119 --> 00:48:52,239
got to recondition your mind almost to
be able to understand that an experience like

568
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:58,719
that is possible, and it leads
you in all different topics. Like I

569
00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:00,519
said, part of the problem right
now is that we all just have a

570
00:49:00,519 --> 00:49:07,679
degree of information or most professionals have
a PhD or a degree, and they

571
00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:12,000
don't put it all together. They
don't put all the other degrees together.

572
00:49:12,039 --> 00:49:15,599
And I think that's why David Like
is so focused on the doc connector show,

573
00:49:15,559 --> 00:49:22,119
the trap and the dream, and
so we should be because that's what

574
00:49:22,199 --> 00:49:25,519
people need to figure out. In
my personal opinion, I think it's very

575
00:49:25,519 --> 00:49:30,000
important, and I believe once you
change your perception of what's possible, the

576
00:49:30,039 --> 00:49:36,679
world would be very kind to you
and you begin to realize that reality stops

577
00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:44,480
happening to you and it begins responding
to you almost and it's a refreshing change

578
00:49:44,599 --> 00:49:49,079
to think about things in the morning
and then have them happen by the afternoon.

579
00:49:50,199 --> 00:49:52,559
You know, you might think of
someone in the morning as you wake

580
00:49:52,639 --> 00:49:57,599
up, and then you might not
have heard from that person in a long

581
00:49:57,679 --> 00:50:00,639
time, and then all of a
sudden, out of the blue, that

582
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:05,800
they are messaging you that afternoon.
Yeah. I've had to aff several times.

583
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:10,440
Yeah, it's a real phenomena.
I'd say it's a telepathy. We

584
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:16,480
will have the ability to receive and
transmit states of reality, potential states of

585
00:50:16,519 --> 00:50:23,079
reality. Yeah, which, yeah, I guess leads me onto the experience

586
00:50:23,079 --> 00:50:28,480
as an adult, which is the
real That was the moment I'd gone from

587
00:50:28,559 --> 00:50:34,599
ghosts to oh dang, how how
did how did how did we all miss

588
00:50:34,639 --> 00:50:40,639
this? You know? You know, So that was around the cosmosis sort

589
00:50:40,639 --> 00:50:47,360
of days. And I guess for
me, I say, it was really

590
00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:52,599
helpful having friends, and I guess
one friend in particular was incredibly helpful.

591
00:50:52,639 --> 00:50:58,119
It was a friend of mine called
Dave. And the first time I met

592
00:50:58,199 --> 00:51:07,679
Dave, I worked in finance and
I was feeling incredibly underwhelmed by life.

593
00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:15,000
It was incredibly successful, but I
was feeling incredibly underwhelmed, and it didn't

594
00:51:15,039 --> 00:51:21,599
sit right with me. And one
day I met Dave at a mutual friend's

595
00:51:21,599 --> 00:51:29,039
house and we got on. We
got on well to begin with, and

596
00:51:29,119 --> 00:51:32,719
we obviously just wanted to dive into
the mystery and have conversations about all that

597
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:37,440
in life. And and then,
you know, during the conversation, we

598
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:43,559
got onto the topic of you know, aliens as you do, because I

599
00:51:43,559 --> 00:51:45,000
think the older you get, you
begin to wonder, you know, you

600
00:51:45,039 --> 00:51:50,760
begin to ponder your own existence,
just generally, and you begin to think

601
00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:55,280
about the unknown, maybe in a
playfully intellectual way, but you know,

602
00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:59,440
so you have these conversations with people, you know over the years, you

603
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:01,480
know, oh, what do you
reckon? Do you believe aliens are real?

604
00:52:01,679 --> 00:52:06,639
Or you know, or like,
what's the maddest thing you've ever seen?

605
00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:09,360
You know, that's a good question
I'd like to ask people, and

606
00:52:09,599 --> 00:52:13,960
people will open up to you if
you ask them. I've had all sorts

607
00:52:15,239 --> 00:52:19,519
and so, you know, I
had this conversation with him. He asked

608
00:52:19,559 --> 00:52:22,119
me, he said, you know, what do you think do you think

609
00:52:22,159 --> 00:52:24,239
aliens are real? I said,
I said, I don't know, probably

610
00:52:24,719 --> 00:52:29,239
it's highly likely. And then I
said, well, what do you think?

611
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:34,480
And he goes, oh, I
know they're real, and he said

612
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:38,119
it. He said it so casually
and like I could see the truth in

613
00:52:38,159 --> 00:52:44,639
his eyes, and I couldn't dispute
him dispute it. So I obviously a

614
00:52:44,719 --> 00:52:47,159
question, and I said, well, whatever do you mean? Dave?

615
00:52:51,039 --> 00:52:55,840
Yes, naturally so, and he
says, well, you know, I've

616
00:52:57,360 --> 00:53:01,679
I've had some experiences where I found
myself face to face with what would appear

617
00:53:01,719 --> 00:53:07,760
to be quote unquote Aliens. I
said, well, isn't that something?

618
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:15,159
And obviously we were sort of I
think we decided we were friends before before

619
00:53:15,199 --> 00:53:19,760
we spoke about that. And then
just naturally we'd spend a lot of time

620
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:24,519
at this mutual friend's house, you
know, uh, you know, a

621
00:53:24,559 --> 00:53:30,119
large group of friends we would we
would sort of either meet mutual friends and

622
00:53:30,159 --> 00:53:32,360
go somewhere else or you know,
so we were always seeing each other.

623
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:37,280
As what I'm getting at, and
so, you know, the years went

624
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:39,639
by and I began to ask him
more and more about what he meant and

625
00:53:39,960 --> 00:53:45,920
try to learn about it and what
it all meant. And there's a lot

626
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:51,280
to it, I'll be honest with
you, and it covers a wide range

627
00:53:51,320 --> 00:54:01,760
of things, but it does touch
upon telepathy, teleportation, and telekinesis.

628
00:54:04,039 --> 00:54:09,800
It was put to me as the
three t's, and you know it was

629
00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:14,840
it was looking at like time and
space, you know, the solidity of

630
00:54:15,239 --> 00:54:19,360
reality and things like that. And
you know, Dave would tell me more

631
00:54:19,360 --> 00:54:23,239
and more about it and things like
that, and you talk about, you

632
00:54:23,239 --> 00:54:28,440
know, love being the only truth
and things, and you know, humans

633
00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:35,320
are receiver transmitters to reality and experiences, and we have all these mystic conversations

634
00:54:35,360 --> 00:54:43,159
about profound things and philosophy and and
you know, lots of many hours of

635
00:54:43,199 --> 00:54:45,360
conversation to try it for me to
try and get my head around this.

636
00:54:47,239 --> 00:54:54,119
And I guess it probably from start
to finish that probably took in the region

637
00:54:54,119 --> 00:55:00,599
of four years of just knowing Dave
and trying to understand what he was,

638
00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:05,840
what he meant when he was telling
me about some of his stories and whatever

639
00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:09,559
else. And it wasn't just one
day, oh I had an experienced.

640
00:55:09,559 --> 00:55:21,280
It was a gradual thing. It
started with UFOs and so once I was

641
00:55:21,320 --> 00:55:24,840
at a place where I was ready
and it wasn't going to send me utterly

642
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:34,000
insane, should we say, I
started seeing UFOs everywhere. And it got

643
00:55:34,039 --> 00:55:39,719
to the point where I thought to
myself, this can't all be UFOs.

644
00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:44,800
I must be getting it wrong.
I need to learn to debunk these things,

645
00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:52,400
like it must be a space station
or something. And excuse me,

646
00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:59,440
I'm feeling a little bit under the
weather. And then you know, I

647
00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:02,119
started to myself, I want to
I want to debunk the bunk what I'm

648
00:56:02,119 --> 00:56:07,360
seeing. I must must be wrong. And I quickly learned all the things

649
00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:10,960
I needed to learn to get good
at debunking things. And I'll be the

650
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:15,519
first to say if something's not a
UFO. But granted they were all UFOs,

651
00:56:15,519 --> 00:56:20,159
it would seem the rate didn't change
once I got better at debunking them.

652
00:56:20,599 --> 00:56:23,559
Perhaps I didn't get any better,
But I've caught myself a few times

653
00:56:23,559 --> 00:56:29,159
pointing out to other people that that's
not actually a craft or whatever, and

654
00:56:29,199 --> 00:56:34,880
it's actually a plane in explaining why
to them. So I sort of pride

655
00:56:34,920 --> 00:56:39,159
myself on my ability to debunk a
UFO because I'm not interested in something that's

656
00:56:39,199 --> 00:56:45,960
not true. Should we say,
no point in it. It's right,

657
00:56:46,119 --> 00:56:51,079
that's absolutely right. So you know, it was a few years of just

658
00:56:51,519 --> 00:56:55,679
heavy UFOs a few years, and
and then obviously we went off down to

659
00:56:55,719 --> 00:57:00,320
places like Avebury if you're familiar with
it in wheelchair. Yes, I'm going

660
00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:05,280
there actually later this year. Amazing
affecting just the next week. Actually,

661
00:57:06,239 --> 00:57:08,840
great stuff. I can't wait to
see. I'll look out for the photos.

662
00:57:10,079 --> 00:57:16,280
It's a great place. It's you've
got Silbury Hill and you've got West

663
00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:20,400
Kenneth Barrow, which is a bit
of a bit of a walk if you're

664
00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:23,480
right with a hill. I'm actually
going on a walk with Andrew Collins.

665
00:57:23,519 --> 00:57:29,320
You've heard of him. I have
not known Andy Collins. He's written several

666
00:57:29,320 --> 00:57:32,960
books on them. He's actually on
ancient is quite often. How is he?

667
00:57:34,320 --> 00:57:37,199
Yeah, if you've ever seen that, I don't. I have no.

668
00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:40,440
I didn't watch it. I worked
like a couple and then I never

669
00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:45,280
Really we've got two people. We've
got Colin Andrews. So we've got Andrew

670
00:57:45,320 --> 00:57:52,519
Collins. So you don't get the
too mixed up sodly did once to an

671
00:57:52,559 --> 00:57:57,119
embarrassing situation, but not me.
But yeah, Andy Collins, he's actually

672
00:57:57,159 --> 00:58:01,519
got He's written probably about twenty now. He's put on the show. He's

673
00:58:01,519 --> 00:58:07,159
put on one other show actually several
times, well once at least anyway,

674
00:58:07,360 --> 00:58:09,599
but anyway, that's fine, a
buy, but so well, yeah,

675
00:58:09,639 --> 00:58:14,639
we will be going, will be
going to Avery Opray next week. Actually

676
00:58:14,840 --> 00:58:20,400
I think it is. If anyone
you know wants to go, I highly

677
00:58:20,400 --> 00:58:25,360
recommend it. And if you're okay
with camping or you know, there's places

678
00:58:25,360 --> 00:58:30,719
to do that, or there's there's
bnb's, there's there's there's actually a party

679
00:58:30,760 --> 00:58:37,079
there every year as well on thee
Yeah, not this time of year.

680
00:58:37,119 --> 00:58:40,079
It's a bit cold, a bit
cold now. Yeah, but you know

681
00:58:40,159 --> 00:58:43,920
you're you'll see crop circles there,
no problem. If you go in the

682
00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:47,280
summer, absolutely without a doubt shadow
of it out you will see a crop

683
00:58:47,360 --> 00:58:58,360
circle. Yeah, and there's pretty
I remember witnessing a crop circle. It

684
00:58:58,480 --> 00:59:04,000
was an apriy and we'd camped up
on a hill so we had a good,

685
00:59:04,039 --> 00:59:07,840
good view of the entire landscape.
It was on the solstice, so

686
00:59:07,920 --> 00:59:10,519
there was a party going on down
by the stone circles. We were camping

687
00:59:10,559 --> 00:59:15,159
over by Silvery Hill, there's a
hill just adjacent to it. We were

688
00:59:15,199 --> 00:59:19,119
up top there, so we had
a great beard of landscape see every field

689
00:59:19,159 --> 00:59:22,000
for miles. And it was rolling
hillside and it was the lightest day of

690
00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:25,800
the year, and it was it
was great, right, great time.

691
00:59:25,880 --> 00:59:30,480
And everyone down at the party was
a big, big, kooky bit outcast

692
00:59:30,599 --> 00:59:34,400
sort of thing, and great people
just have discussions with, you know,

693
00:59:34,559 --> 00:59:37,800
just about the world. A lot
of like minded people, I guess.

694
00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:43,039
And yeah, one night we came
back from that sort of party, we

695
00:59:43,039 --> 00:59:46,639
were watching the bongos. There was
a lot of bongos, like a whole

696
00:59:46,639 --> 00:59:51,960
big thing, thirty people playing bongos. Sam was great, tremendous, especially

697
00:59:51,960 --> 00:59:57,559
with the acoustics around the stones and
really tribal feeling, you know. Great.

698
00:59:57,599 --> 01:00:00,599
Yeah, I mean I've had some
conversations with about that, and you're

699
01:00:00,800 --> 01:00:04,519
they're all actually got a lot of
acoustics attractions to them, haven't they?

700
01:00:04,639 --> 01:00:07,320
These stones? Yeah, No,
No, I don't know what it is

701
01:00:07,360 --> 01:00:10,480
about them, but I think there's
a lot to do with I think the

702
01:00:12,079 --> 01:00:16,320
ancients know a lot more about tones
and all that sort of thing then we

703
01:00:16,440 --> 01:00:21,760
probably realized. I'd say they knew
more about simics than what we realize.

704
01:00:21,840 --> 01:00:27,440
Yeah, And I'd say that if
we could measure music with music theory,

705
01:00:27,559 --> 01:00:31,199
or we call music music and it
is what it is, and I'd say

706
01:00:31,239 --> 01:00:37,800
that simiics is probably the closest thing
that we have for a sort of reality

707
01:00:37,920 --> 01:00:45,239
version of music and how that all
works. Yeah, it's really intriguing stuff.

708
01:00:45,320 --> 01:00:49,039
So I would say you're absolutely right. And like I say, if

709
01:00:49,039 --> 01:00:52,840
you've ever seen one of these crop
cycles actually being made, it's quite profound

710
01:00:52,920 --> 01:00:57,320
how they made. They're made in
an instant and it's just a rare thing

711
01:00:57,360 --> 01:01:00,519
to be to actually see it being
done, isn't it. Yeah. There

712
01:01:00,559 --> 01:01:04,639
was that one guy though, who
managed to film it. And it was

713
01:01:04,679 --> 01:01:07,679
way back in the days of like
VHS tape, you know, cameras with

714
01:01:07,719 --> 01:01:13,119
like timestamps and things like that.
And I think this guy was from Bristol.

715
01:01:13,440 --> 01:01:15,679
He was a video guy anyway,
it was his job, and he'd

716
01:01:15,679 --> 01:01:21,159
gone just to take videos of Avery, and I think he went there and

717
01:01:21,760 --> 01:01:23,800
he was just taking pictures, like
video of the landscape, and he actually

718
01:01:23,800 --> 01:01:29,199
caught one of these things being made. And this isn't really in the days

719
01:01:29,280 --> 01:01:34,639
when CGI or computer generated graphics was
as readily available as what it is today.

720
01:01:35,239 --> 01:01:39,280
I think back then you'd even really
have photoshop, you know. And

721
01:01:40,639 --> 01:01:45,079
he was from Bristol, he was
in Avery filming he caught one of these

722
01:01:45,119 --> 01:01:47,360
crop circles being made by these two
white balls that came out of the sky.

723
01:01:49,320 --> 01:01:52,559
They seemed to just twirl round and
round in a circle adjacent to each

724
01:01:52,599 --> 01:01:57,800
other, and then within a split
second, it was like a vibration came

725
01:01:57,800 --> 01:02:04,199
out at the center of it on
the crops and formed whatever pattern you know

726
01:02:04,280 --> 01:02:08,239
that made up the crop circle.
This guy was obviously dumbfounded with what he

727
01:02:08,320 --> 01:02:14,559
had just witnessed and was what you
know, He he knew there was a

728
01:02:14,559 --> 01:02:17,039
pub close by that was renowned for
this sort of stuff. Is it the

729
01:02:17,079 --> 01:02:22,679
bargein? I can't. There's like
a really well known UFO pub down there,

730
01:02:22,679 --> 01:02:28,400
and I can't quite remember what it's
called. I have this on film.

731
01:02:28,480 --> 01:02:30,920
He thought, I'm driving straight there
and I'm going to go see if

732
01:02:30,960 --> 01:02:36,039
any of the locals are interested or
know what this is or have ever seen

733
01:02:36,079 --> 01:02:39,079
this. So he went there.
He went to the pub and he showed

734
01:02:39,159 --> 01:02:42,840
He showed the locals and stuff.
This is on his camera. You know,

735
01:02:42,960 --> 01:02:45,480
it's you know, it's not like
he's gone away put it on a

736
01:02:45,559 --> 01:02:51,000
USB stick or on his laptop or
anything. You don't have that capability back

737
01:02:51,000 --> 01:02:54,639
then. So he's just showing people
on his like handheld screen on his camera,

738
01:02:55,559 --> 01:02:59,920
and all the time stamps match up
and everything else and then there's obviously

739
01:03:00,719 --> 01:03:05,199
eyewitnesses who were there who have have
been interviewed since saying that they were there

740
01:03:05,199 --> 01:03:08,320
that night and things like that,
and they all mentioned the time stamp being

741
01:03:08,360 --> 01:03:15,320
in line. It was even one
hell of a fake. Like the logistics

742
01:03:15,360 --> 01:03:20,119
involved to fake something like that would
have been the guy would have had to

743
01:03:20,159 --> 01:03:23,119
have planned the exact moment that he
went into the pub, would have had

744
01:03:23,159 --> 01:03:28,239
to have like drive down there,
been there in good time an hour before

745
01:03:29,480 --> 01:03:34,639
just to pull this off, shall
we say. You know, although you've

746
01:03:34,639 --> 01:03:40,199
really only got this guy's word for
what he filmed, apparently that's how they're

747
01:03:40,199 --> 01:03:45,079
made, but who knows, could
be do with boards just as much.

748
01:03:46,159 --> 01:03:52,440
But the one that I witnessed,
it was quite an interesting night, shall

749
01:03:52,480 --> 01:04:00,880
we say. Ets popped up.
Ets were there when this happened. People

750
01:04:00,920 --> 01:04:05,719
could see them. And one,
you know, we've gone back from the

751
01:04:05,760 --> 01:04:10,400
party down by the Stone Circles that
night and we've all sort of gone to

752
01:04:10,440 --> 01:04:15,360
our tents and crashed out or began
to crash out. And it's quite late,

753
01:04:15,360 --> 01:04:18,559
it's probably early hours of the morning. You know, we were there

754
01:04:18,599 --> 01:04:23,079
that day setting up ten it's the
lightest day of the year. We can

755
01:04:23,159 --> 01:04:28,039
still see all of the fields.
It's pretty light out even at two in

756
01:04:28,079 --> 01:04:31,840
the morning, and we all get
we all get some rest, and you

757
01:04:31,880 --> 01:04:34,440
know, some some people choose to
stay up all night. Some people chose

758
01:04:34,480 --> 01:04:41,519
to sort of try and get some
rest. And you know, the next

759
01:04:41,519 --> 01:04:46,039
morning at sunrise, not really sunrise, just got a bit lighter, and

760
01:04:46,239 --> 01:04:51,679
lo and behold there's a crop circle, massive crop circle in the field just

761
01:04:51,719 --> 01:04:55,599
next to us. Because we're at
a high vantage point, we can see

762
01:04:55,599 --> 01:04:59,599
it. And it's a figure of
eight yin yang, so it's two yin

763
01:04:59,679 --> 01:05:02,519
yang in the formation of a figure
of eight, and it's got all these

764
01:05:02,559 --> 01:05:05,679
geometric patterns come off of it.
It was pretty big. It was huge.

765
01:05:06,719 --> 01:05:15,480
It wasn't there at seven o'clock that
evening the night before, but it

766
01:05:15,519 --> 01:05:20,000
was first noticed at roughly five am
the next morning, so in less than

767
01:05:20,039 --> 01:05:27,960
twelve hours. Some person would have
would have had to have made that at

768
01:05:28,079 --> 01:05:31,320
night. Might add it was light, but I'd probably want a bit more

769
01:05:31,440 --> 01:05:36,760
light if I was making a you
know, a geometric pattern like that to

770
01:05:36,840 --> 01:05:43,480
that scale. So it's either a
really incredible you know, human ability,

771
01:05:44,400 --> 01:05:48,239
which is art at the end of
the day, or like the video tape,

772
01:05:48,280 --> 01:05:54,760
suggests from this chap from Bristol.
You know, it's either made one

773
01:05:54,800 --> 01:05:59,360
of two ways. I would say, yeah, that's that's what I've always

774
01:05:59,360 --> 01:06:04,039
said. Then, some of these
amazing crop circles that you see to be

775
01:06:04,119 --> 01:06:09,840
done in the pitch dark I mean
that they'd be seen what they we're all

776
01:06:09,840 --> 01:06:12,880
great, they had all big bright
lights at which they need to be doing

777
01:06:12,920 --> 01:06:15,639
these things. They'd be seen by
the farmers. And that is, you

778
01:06:15,639 --> 01:06:18,800
know, because he'd wonder what the
hell that big light was in this field?

779
01:06:20,000 --> 01:06:25,119
Yeah, absolutely, absolutely, So
when these things appear overnight in pitch

780
01:06:25,440 --> 01:06:29,960
pitch darkness, it just makes you
wonder how they get there. And you've

781
01:06:29,960 --> 01:06:33,000
got to really you've got to really
think along the alien line, haven't you.

782
01:06:33,000 --> 01:06:36,719
You know that's the that's the way
I see it. Yeah, And

783
01:06:38,360 --> 01:06:43,559
actually, you know, crop circles
is cimatics, you know, so you

784
01:06:43,599 --> 01:06:45,880
know, if we if you know, if anyone knows anything about cimatics or

785
01:06:45,920 --> 01:06:51,440
you know about somatics, it's something
to get into. But it's all geometry.

786
01:06:51,800 --> 01:06:57,679
And if you take three levels or
layers of cimatics at different bits with

787
01:06:57,800 --> 01:07:01,760
different geometric patterns on them, it
can make up a three dimensional looking object

788
01:07:02,440 --> 01:07:09,239
it's how most of our money's made
is made using geometric patterns. Passport pages

789
01:07:10,079 --> 01:07:15,159
all geometric patterns. It's the same
principle. And you need this geometry in

790
01:07:15,239 --> 01:07:21,000
order for the holographic universe, in
order for it to work. You know,

791
01:07:21,079 --> 01:07:27,159
there are oscillations that are occurring like
three trillion times per second. You

792
01:07:27,199 --> 01:07:30,719
know in reality that would have to
occur in order to make it seem solid.

793
01:07:30,840 --> 01:07:35,400
So yeah, I mean, however
it's made, it's incredible. And

794
01:07:35,440 --> 01:07:41,480
it definitely if you if you ever
find yourself near Apriy in the summer when

795
01:07:41,480 --> 01:07:45,679
there's crops, definitely head there for
the day because it's a great day out.

796
01:07:45,800 --> 01:07:54,199
There's loads of I think Silvery hel
is like the largest ancient man made

797
01:07:54,480 --> 01:07:59,239
earthwork and all of Europe or something. And then they've got the West Kennett

798
01:07:59,239 --> 01:08:02,639
Barrow, and then they've got the
Ridgeway, which is the oldest Roman road

799
01:08:02,719 --> 01:08:06,440
in the UK. Great for oh
great for seeing UFOs by the way,

800
01:08:06,440 --> 01:08:14,079
you'll see loads of UFOs while you're
there. Yeah, tremendous place. And

801
01:08:15,559 --> 01:08:16,439
so yeah, it was, like
I said, it was like a you

802
01:08:16,439 --> 01:08:19,840
know, the experience as an adult
was a gradual you know, it was

803
01:08:19,880 --> 01:08:25,359
it was one sensational event after the
other, should we say? And it

804
01:08:25,399 --> 01:08:30,000
was it was intensifying each time,
shall we say? So? You know,

805
01:08:30,039 --> 01:08:34,800
it started with UFOs, it got
it got into crop circles a little

806
01:08:34,800 --> 01:08:40,560
bit. Once once I began to
develop the knowledge and my I began to

807
01:08:40,640 --> 01:08:46,960
change my perceptions of the possible,
these experiences began to intensify, and till

808
01:08:47,000 --> 01:08:55,640
one day it basically just transpired into
a face to face experience with these things

809
01:08:56,960 --> 01:09:01,159
or these beings or people or I
don't really know what to call them.

810
01:09:01,479 --> 01:09:06,039
I haven't really developed any language around
it, and I'm just kind of working

811
01:09:06,079 --> 01:09:13,479
on visual memory and conclusions that I've
made. And I'm a deep thinker.

812
01:09:13,479 --> 01:09:17,279
I don't conclude. I don't even
really commit to words much without without deeping

813
01:09:17,479 --> 01:09:26,359
thinking about it deeply. So,
you know, you hear all these terms

814
01:09:26,359 --> 01:09:31,279
online from people who haven't really had
experiences or anything like that. I've heard

815
01:09:31,319 --> 01:09:38,079
all sorts that I think sometimes make
you want to cry, like like star

816
01:09:38,239 --> 01:09:43,239
seed and things like that. It's
quite quite painful. But you know,

817
01:09:43,319 --> 01:09:45,960
I don't really have too much language
around it. I can just go off

818
01:09:45,960 --> 01:09:51,399
what I know in my personal experience, what I experienced, and yeah,

819
01:09:51,479 --> 01:09:59,319
so I guess really, you know, it went from intensifying intensifying until one

820
01:09:59,399 --> 01:10:02,039
day it was just to face to
face experience and the first one that I'd

821
01:10:02,079 --> 01:10:10,359
had as an adult since being a
child, and it was undeniable at that

822
01:10:10,520 --> 01:10:17,439
point. And that experience was that
that that shook me up for for reasons

823
01:10:17,560 --> 01:10:27,920
that probably weren't obvious at the time. Yeah, but it's a real it's

824
01:10:27,960 --> 01:10:34,680
all really interesting the psychology behind it. It almost confirmed that well most of

825
01:10:34,720 --> 01:10:38,840
you, most of everything that we
know or that you've been taught in school

826
01:10:39,239 --> 01:10:45,479
or anything like that was was basically
a lie or wrong. So it was

827
01:10:45,479 --> 01:10:48,279
a really it was a really vindicating
experience for me, and it allowed me

828
01:10:48,319 --> 01:10:55,319
to grow tremendously as a person.
And and and that was an experience I

829
01:10:55,479 --> 01:11:00,760
had with another individual, Dave.
You remember, so I know you've both

830
01:11:01,000 --> 01:11:04,239
you've both seen exactly the same thing. So it's not something you've been making

831
01:11:04,319 --> 01:11:09,640
up more imasguring you know. Yeah, I guess this is the experience where

832
01:11:09,640 --> 01:11:15,439
it just really becomes undeniable. Right, So there's everything that we've kind of

833
01:11:15,479 --> 01:11:18,800
spoken about so far, there's just
become there's just a little bit of you

834
01:11:18,840 --> 01:11:24,920
know, plausible doubt and speculation around
it, you know, a lot of

835
01:11:24,920 --> 01:11:29,680
the things that we've we've spoken about, But for me, it was this

836
01:11:29,760 --> 01:11:32,239
experience where it was just obviously undeniable
when it's right in front of your face

837
01:11:32,439 --> 01:11:39,760
like that, and other people are
there to witness it as well. And

838
01:11:39,920 --> 01:11:43,079
I'll never forget this day ever,
ever, ever, ever, ever,

839
01:11:43,159 --> 01:11:48,119
ever, probably never until the day
I die and beyond. It was one

840
01:11:48,159 --> 01:11:54,920
of those experiences where I kind of
thought to myself, well, yeah,

841
01:11:54,920 --> 01:12:00,520
that's different. You know, you've
done something here that most people probably haven't

842
01:12:00,520 --> 01:12:04,239
done. If there was an exception
and a rule, I say that you'd

843
01:12:04,239 --> 01:12:09,319
probably the exception. So and it
was a lot of hard work, but

844
01:12:09,640 --> 01:12:13,279
I sure you anyone can do it, you know, And I say things

845
01:12:13,319 --> 01:12:15,159
like this, like so brazenly you
know that anyone can do it. And

846
01:12:15,239 --> 01:12:19,239
the people probably sat there going what's
it all about? You know? But

847
01:12:19,800 --> 01:12:24,560
if we could talk about the history
of strange visions for a little bit,

848
01:12:24,840 --> 01:12:29,960
you know, it wasn't so strange, you know, not so long ago

849
01:12:30,000 --> 01:12:32,600
in human history, in the overall
grand scheme of things, you know,

850
01:12:32,680 --> 01:12:38,199
living in tribal cultures, you know, and I'm not just talking like well,

851
01:12:38,239 --> 01:12:43,680
Amazon tribes. I mean no,
there were tribes and clans in Scotland,

852
01:12:44,159 --> 01:12:48,760
you know, and if you follow
the Roman history any you realize that,

853
01:12:49,279 --> 01:12:53,359
you know, the Romans were trying
to push out the old religions,

854
01:12:54,760 --> 01:12:59,840
and the old religions were polytheistic in
nature, so they weren't monotheistic. They

855
01:13:00,119 --> 01:13:04,680
so they believe in multiple gods or
deities. And in the clans and the

856
01:13:04,760 --> 01:13:11,600
tribes, you know, the witch
doctor or the visionary was highly highly valued

857
01:13:11,760 --> 01:13:16,560
as an individual whole tribes would act
based off of a vision that one person

858
01:13:16,680 --> 01:13:23,000
had, you know, so in
our modern society, he has definitely drummed

859
01:13:23,000 --> 01:13:29,079
that out of us. In fact, there are very few roles in society

860
01:13:29,800 --> 01:13:35,840
that require vision, and unfortunately they
don't even allow you to be totally creative.

861
01:13:39,680 --> 01:13:43,399
You know, business owners and you
know, business leaders need vision.

862
01:13:44,600 --> 01:13:48,760
They need to be able to convince
everyone else that their visions in their vision

863
01:13:48,800 --> 01:13:54,760
basically, you know. But yet
throughout all walks of life, it's become

864
01:13:54,840 --> 01:14:00,439
that, you know, everyone's role
is problem solving. And even if we

865
01:14:00,439 --> 01:14:04,600
look at the you know, the
neuroscience of the equation, we know we've

866
01:14:04,640 --> 01:14:09,880
got two hemispheres of the brain.
One is responsible for logic and creativity and

867
01:14:09,960 --> 01:14:13,960
never responsible. One is responsible for
logic, order, structure and the other

868
01:14:14,000 --> 01:14:23,039
responsible for creativity. So you know, strange visions or creative thinking wasn't so

869
01:14:23,640 --> 01:14:30,800
strange, you know, just probably
not even very that, not even that

870
01:14:30,920 --> 01:14:35,319
long ago. And yet you know, we think about our society and our

871
01:14:35,399 --> 01:14:40,560
system. You know, go out, get a job and get money,

872
01:14:40,840 --> 01:14:45,920
and at work, you will solve
problems. You will use your intelligence to

873
01:14:45,960 --> 01:14:54,359
solve problems, and you will be
rewarded with credits for resolving those problems so

874
01:14:54,399 --> 01:14:59,560
that you have access to the things
that you need in society. So if

875
01:14:59,600 --> 01:15:03,560
we're looking at it from like a
neuroscience perspective, we are actively being rewarded

876
01:15:04,479 --> 01:15:10,600
for problem solving. We're not being
rewarded for having vision in the world.

877
01:15:11,119 --> 01:15:15,720
In fact, that's really stressful like
that, like you know, being a

878
01:15:15,760 --> 01:15:23,840
business leader or owner or director is
incredibly stressful. Like it's not fun and

879
01:15:24,199 --> 01:15:28,800
there are there are you know,
if you're not putting out fires, you

880
01:15:28,880 --> 01:15:32,279
are you know, celebrating you know, the wins that you get and you

881
01:15:32,279 --> 01:15:38,640
know before you're moving on to the
next fire. You know, so even

882
01:15:38,680 --> 01:15:45,720
then you can't even really truly be
comfortable to have the vision anymore, but

883
01:15:45,760 --> 01:15:49,199
I think just maybe goes a little
bit beyond vision. But vision definitely,

884
01:15:49,520 --> 01:15:54,720
you know, helps with perseverance,
which is important, which is the drive

885
01:15:54,800 --> 01:15:59,000
that people need to achieve, you
know, new realities for themselves, whatever

886
01:15:59,039 --> 01:16:01,079
it may be, if they want
to get better at something, get a

887
01:16:01,119 --> 01:16:05,239
new job, get a promotion,
or you know, get better at or

888
01:16:05,279 --> 01:16:11,239
get good at a sport or something. You know, people need perseverance and

889
01:16:11,319 --> 01:16:16,359
persistence no matter what it is.
And you may have been told growing up

890
01:16:16,359 --> 01:16:21,800
that anything's possible, and that is
absolutely true in a lot of respects,

891
01:16:24,479 --> 01:16:30,880
and it's our perception of the possible
which which definitely influences what we're able to

892
01:16:30,920 --> 01:16:38,640
decode on a three dimensional level.
In my personal experience anyway. But yeah,

893
01:16:38,680 --> 01:16:43,239
I guess the experience I had with
Dave started off like any other day

894
01:16:45,640 --> 01:16:49,159
I was. I was visiting Dave. He was doing a bit of camping

895
01:16:49,199 --> 01:16:53,359
at the time. He just got
back from he just got back into town,

896
01:16:54,000 --> 01:16:59,640
and he just decided to do a
bit of camping. He was camping

897
01:16:59,640 --> 01:17:06,039
on like a a nature reserve close
to a housing estate, should we say,

898
01:17:06,319 --> 01:17:11,520
it's a nice area, and you
know, he had all the kit

899
01:17:11,600 --> 01:17:15,560
obviously, you know, he's ex
soldier or whatever, so fairy prepared.

900
01:17:15,600 --> 01:17:19,640
You know, all the team making
facilities and chairs and everything else is pretty

901
01:17:19,680 --> 01:17:23,079
christy. So I just gone to
catch up with him, really because he

902
01:17:23,119 --> 01:17:27,479
just got back into town. I
think he's been in Wales for a little

903
01:17:27,479 --> 01:17:30,680
while and he's back. So just
sat catching up with him, you know,

904
01:17:33,319 --> 01:17:39,159
and then I'd say that I think
this is quite an important part because

905
01:17:39,199 --> 01:17:42,479
this is where you you begin to
realize that, like, you know,

906
01:17:43,520 --> 01:17:47,560
how your perception of the possible can
change. So just handed a cup of

907
01:17:47,560 --> 01:17:53,920
tea, chatting away, and then
all of a sudden I noticed on the

908
01:17:53,960 --> 01:17:58,279
tent that the way the shadows of
the leaves from the bushes are formed,

909
01:17:58,960 --> 01:18:03,239
it's created a real, the really
detailed face to the point where it's just

910
01:18:03,279 --> 01:18:09,159
worth mentioning that there's a shadow formation
created by the leaves on the tent.

911
01:18:09,359 --> 01:18:14,359
It's creating this really three dimensional detailed
face. Right. So I said to

912
01:18:14,439 --> 01:18:15,880
Dave, who sat at a different
angle to me, I said, hey,

913
01:18:16,000 --> 01:18:18,840
took out that face, it's the
cod of the leaves of left shadows.

914
01:18:20,199 --> 01:18:23,560
And he goes he's looking at it
from a different angle and he said,

915
01:18:23,560 --> 01:18:25,680
oh yeah, that's odd, isn't
it. I said, Yeah,

916
01:18:25,720 --> 01:18:29,520
it's pretty odd, isn't it.
And you could look at this face on

917
01:18:29,600 --> 01:18:32,039
the tent from any angle and it
was it was there still, and it

918
01:18:32,079 --> 01:18:38,880
looked pristine. Didn't matter which angle
you looked at, it was still still

919
01:18:39,119 --> 01:18:45,520
still very detailed. And so again
just just brush it off as being nature

920
01:18:45,640 --> 01:18:47,520
and being you know, magical,
you know, one of them things.

921
01:18:48,600 --> 01:18:54,680
So we just sort of continue talking
into the early sort of evening and I

922
01:18:54,760 --> 01:18:58,840
decided I'm just going to sort of
maybe stay late, head home a bit

923
01:18:58,880 --> 01:19:02,399
in the early hours of the morning
whatever. And so we decided to go

924
01:19:02,479 --> 01:19:06,680
for a walk as it gets dark, go for a SkyWatch, you know,

925
01:19:08,000 --> 01:19:13,079
and got no street lights around and
in the nature reserve, that sort

926
01:19:13,119 --> 01:19:16,880
of thing, so we take the
opportunity. So we wrap up because it's

927
01:19:16,880 --> 01:19:25,399
probably about September time, and head
out for a walk. And all day

928
01:19:25,439 --> 01:19:31,079
that day Dave had been struggling to
tell me about a dream, and then

929
01:19:31,119 --> 01:19:35,319
finally, you know, we get
we'd go on this walk and he was

930
01:19:35,319 --> 01:19:41,560
able to tell me about this dream. But up until then he keep he

931
01:19:41,640 --> 01:19:45,399
keep remembering this dream, and then
he keep forgetting what it was exactly that

932
01:19:45,479 --> 01:19:49,199
he wanted to tell me, and
then he just it was. It was

933
01:19:49,199 --> 01:19:53,079
bothering him. He kept struggling with
it, and I said, don't worry

934
01:19:53,079 --> 01:19:56,159
about it. Don't worry about it. Anyway, As we finally set off

935
01:19:56,159 --> 01:20:00,520
as our walk, he turns to
me and goes, oh, dream,

936
01:20:00,840 --> 01:20:02,720
I remember what I'm meant to tell
you now. I said, Okay,

937
01:20:02,720 --> 01:20:06,399
what is it? He goes yeah, he goes, this is where it

938
01:20:06,439 --> 01:20:12,439
happens for you. And he said
that, and in that moment I knew

939
01:20:12,520 --> 01:20:19,039
exactly what he meant. I knew
that we're about to meet interdimensional beings from

940
01:20:20,319 --> 01:20:25,720
what appears to be a different dimension, and that I was totally cool with

941
01:20:25,760 --> 01:20:29,880
that, because, believe it or
not, they don't want to scare you.

942
01:20:30,479 --> 01:20:33,079
From what I've learned, there are
good and bad ones, definitely,

943
01:20:33,760 --> 01:20:38,800
but the good ones don't really want
to scare you so much. They worry

944
01:20:38,800 --> 01:20:42,159
about you. They care about you. You know, well I'm suppose you

945
01:20:42,159 --> 01:20:45,439
do, know, but like they
care about you and they care about everybody

946
01:20:45,439 --> 01:20:48,640
else, so they wouldn't. They
would hate for you to be scared by

947
01:20:48,720 --> 01:20:51,319
their existence or presence, which is
why you've got to put the work into

948
01:20:51,399 --> 01:20:59,039
sort of get yourself in a place
where you feel total peace with the experience

949
01:20:59,079 --> 01:21:01,920
that's about to happen, and you
don't feel fear. Now, most people

950
01:21:02,000 --> 01:21:08,920
will say, just like I did
before i'd had an experience, Yeah,

951
01:21:08,920 --> 01:21:12,439
I'd love to meet aliens, like
bring it on, I'm ready. It's

952
01:21:12,479 --> 01:21:15,680
like, no, you're really not
ready. Like if you were ready,

953
01:21:15,720 --> 01:21:20,279
it would have bel it would be
happening. It would happen, but you're

954
01:21:20,279 --> 01:21:24,640
not ready. It takes it takes
work, and it would actually do more

955
01:21:24,720 --> 01:21:29,600
damage to people who are not ready
having that experience than what it would someone

956
01:21:29,640 --> 01:21:34,279
who spent time trying to understand what
it is they're about to experience. So

957
01:21:34,359 --> 01:21:36,279
I knew what was about to happen. Dave knew what it was about to

958
01:21:36,279 --> 01:21:42,520
happen. It was all good.
We only walked maybe fifty paces up this

959
01:21:42,920 --> 01:21:50,560
wooden this dirt track, and in
my peripheral vision, I noticed something and

960
01:21:50,880 --> 01:21:56,439
I don't rush to look at it. I slowly turned my head to the

961
01:21:56,520 --> 01:22:06,560
right, and there is an interdimensional
person stood there, maybe ten paces from

962
01:22:06,600 --> 01:22:14,560
me if that. So I turn
and I look, and my mind goes

963
01:22:14,560 --> 01:22:18,279
into verification mode. It wants to
verify the nature of the reality that I'm

964
01:22:18,319 --> 01:22:24,279
experiencing. So I walk OVID to
this thing and I'm stood face to face

965
01:22:24,319 --> 01:22:30,720
with it. I'm just looking at
it, like obviously in a state of

966
01:22:32,119 --> 01:22:34,600
not even shocked, just like,
oh my god, this is real,

967
01:22:35,319 --> 01:22:44,119
like this is actually real, and
that's quite amazing. So now I want

968
01:22:44,159 --> 01:22:53,880
to know what makes this thing real. So with that, I'm stood looking

969
01:22:54,399 --> 01:23:00,560
face to face with her, and
all of a sudden, I'm ginnna get

970
01:23:00,560 --> 01:23:03,640
I'm getting those same sort of voices
in the head, you know, to

971
01:23:03,680 --> 01:23:08,399
sort of say hey, hey,
I'm up here, hello sort of thing.

972
01:23:09,760 --> 01:23:14,640
And I thought to myself, Okay, hello, is that you,

973
01:23:14,800 --> 01:23:16,399
because yeah, it's me, Hello, I'm here. Just just just with

974
01:23:16,479 --> 01:23:19,560
me here, please, So I
thought, okay, cool, great,

975
01:23:19,720 --> 01:23:25,680
this is amazing. I'm loving this. So I then I then touched her

976
01:23:25,680 --> 01:23:31,119
on the right shoulder just to check
that she's solid, and yeah, she's

977
01:23:31,159 --> 01:23:38,039
solid, definitely solid, definitely there. And and I said, I said

978
01:23:38,039 --> 01:23:42,119
to myself in my head like oh, you're solid, and she goes she

979
01:23:42,239 --> 01:23:46,039
sort of she sort of shivers as
if she's got a chill. She sort

980
01:23:46,079 --> 01:23:51,520
of says like yeah, but not
as a preference though, so I laughed.

981
01:23:51,560 --> 01:23:55,279
I said, oh, sorry,
is that is that because I touched

982
01:23:55,279 --> 01:23:58,039
her on the shoulder. She was
like, yeah, don't worry about it

983
01:23:58,159 --> 01:24:01,279
or whatever. So I said,
okay. She said, if you want

984
01:24:01,279 --> 01:24:05,600
to verify that I'm real. So
I was like, yes, why don't

985
01:24:05,640 --> 01:24:12,199
you go get your friend Dave from
down the lane. I sort of turned

986
01:24:12,239 --> 01:24:14,439
and looked, and I thought,
oh, yeah, Dave. Where's Dave?

987
01:24:15,159 --> 01:24:18,600
And I said, I don't want
to go because I don't know if

988
01:24:18,640 --> 01:24:24,399
you'll be here when I get back. Bearing in mind all of this communication

989
01:24:24,640 --> 01:24:29,640
is going on via telepathy at this
point, like there's not been one word

990
01:24:29,760 --> 01:24:34,560
spoken at this point, And I
mean, I think that we all have

991
01:24:34,600 --> 01:24:39,239
an area of the brain that's quite
capable of communicating like that, which is

992
01:24:39,279 --> 01:24:42,600
why that when you sort of stood
in front of someone that's so good at

993
01:24:42,600 --> 01:24:48,640
it, it becomes easier for us
to sort of to do. And so

994
01:24:48,680 --> 01:24:51,199
I said, well, what if
you're not here? When I didn't say

995
01:24:51,239 --> 01:24:54,359
I just thought it. I said, I thought, what if you're not

996
01:24:54,399 --> 01:24:58,079
here? I want to get back
because I'll be here. Don't worry,

997
01:24:58,239 --> 01:25:02,680
like but I didn't really want to
go. But again, if we're talking

998
01:25:02,760 --> 01:25:08,439
astral projection and stuff like that,
I think I went on a n astraal

999
01:25:08,520 --> 01:25:13,159
level and walked over, but I
didn't actually walk over. It's a bit

1000
01:25:13,199 --> 01:25:17,560
strange what happens here, but I'm
not disputing it. There is one discrepancy

1001
01:25:17,600 --> 01:25:24,199
between Dave and I, but it's
been thoroughly researched and it's not even sort

1002
01:25:24,199 --> 01:25:28,680
of put it this way. It
was said in the report that there would

1003
01:25:28,720 --> 01:25:33,920
be more discrepancies in some people that
were telling the truth foremost, you know,

1004
01:25:34,079 --> 01:25:40,600
and had poor recollection of what actually
happened. So I thought I went

1005
01:25:40,640 --> 01:25:43,880
off to go and get Dave,
but Dave maintains that he wandered back over

1006
01:25:43,920 --> 01:25:50,159
on his own. And with that
Dave was there, and my recollection of

1007
01:25:50,199 --> 01:25:53,359
it is I went over to get
Dave. He was just stood in the

1008
01:25:53,359 --> 01:25:55,399
bushes. I said, Dave,
what are you doing in the bushes?

1009
01:25:55,439 --> 01:25:58,039
He said, I don't know.
I said, you want to come meet

1010
01:25:58,079 --> 01:26:00,960
this woman? He said, oh, yeah, no problem, absolutely.

1011
01:26:00,640 --> 01:26:04,439
So we walked back the short distance
to word this woman was and lo and

1012
01:26:04,479 --> 01:26:10,199
behold. Dave acknowledged her. He
was the only one to say words during

1013
01:26:10,199 --> 01:26:15,840
the whole experience, and he said. All he said was once we approached

1014
01:26:15,840 --> 01:26:18,680
her and you could see her,
he said, oh, Hi, your

1015
01:26:18,680 --> 01:26:26,119
mate, just like that, and
then I stood in front of her at

1016
01:26:26,119 --> 01:26:31,760
this point, and honestly, I
began to start to feel uneasy about what

1017
01:26:31,840 --> 01:26:40,279
I was experiencing, not because it
was scary. I was beginning to think

1018
01:26:40,319 --> 01:26:51,640
about react like society, and that
society has either missed this or we've been

1019
01:26:51,720 --> 01:26:59,279
lied to, and I, in
that moment, began to feel a little

1020
01:26:59,319 --> 01:27:06,159
bit uneasy. So I raised my
hand and apparently it looked like I was

1021
01:27:06,199 --> 01:27:15,680
saluting this thing, and it then
disappeared before both of our eyes. And

1022
01:27:15,720 --> 01:27:23,079
then Dave approached me and said,
what was that about? And because this

1023
01:27:23,239 --> 01:27:28,199
was the first time I'd ever had
that experience, I wasn't able to tell

1024
01:27:28,279 --> 01:27:32,520
him. I said, I don't
know, and we just continued on a

1025
01:27:32,560 --> 01:27:43,960
walk after that, because I was
obviously very shaken, not stirred at that

1026
01:27:44,039 --> 01:27:49,199
point, and I didn't really know
what I'd obviously knew what i'd seen because

1027
01:27:49,239 --> 01:27:54,600
I can explain it, but I
didn't know the reality status of what i'd

1028
01:27:54,600 --> 01:27:58,560
seen. I didn't know how it
disappeared before my eyes. I didn't know

1029
01:27:58,600 --> 01:28:03,800
how it was communicating with me with
my thoughts. With thoughts, the best

1030
01:28:03,800 --> 01:28:09,199
way I can describe that is there's
a saying like, oh, I know

1031
01:28:09,239 --> 01:28:14,279
what you're going to say based on
the look on your face, well,

1032
01:28:15,079 --> 01:28:18,960
or like the look on your face
does it all sort of thing? Well,

1033
01:28:19,000 --> 01:28:27,359
it was like these people had the
ability to see the electrochemical electrochemistry of

1034
01:28:27,359 --> 01:28:35,600
the brain that creates a thought,
and they knew based on the electrochemical nature

1035
01:28:35,640 --> 01:28:40,159
of your brain and what was going
on in there, or your perception the

1036
01:28:40,239 --> 01:28:44,399
thoughts that you were about to have
as if they were words, and they

1037
01:28:44,399 --> 01:28:53,159
could almost cut you off in that
space and interject with the answer. It

1038
01:28:53,239 --> 01:29:01,920
was incredibly insightful, and if I
could explain it, I felt like humans

1039
01:29:02,119 --> 01:29:10,199
are almost like a drunk person in
comparison to these things. The level of

1040
01:29:10,239 --> 01:29:15,279
intelligence was like nothing I'd ever seen
before. Their ability to communicate was the

1041
01:29:15,279 --> 01:29:19,960
most efficient thing I've ever seen.
Their ability to travel, let me put

1042
01:29:19,960 --> 01:29:25,039
it this way, they don't need
crafts really Like. I asked them about

1043
01:29:25,039 --> 01:29:27,560
that at one point they said,
that's more out of respect for your laws

1044
01:29:27,560 --> 01:29:31,760
of physics. We don't want to
scare you. We can just teleport and

1045
01:29:31,800 --> 01:29:42,720
stuff. I was like, okay, And and the thing it really shook

1046
01:29:42,720 --> 01:29:44,840
me up the most is that Dave
was there and he saw it all,

1047
01:29:45,000 --> 01:29:47,840
and he could draw pictures of everything
in all the scenes. And that took

1048
01:29:47,920 --> 01:29:51,119
me years to get over that.
Like I say, get over it,

1049
01:29:51,399 --> 01:29:55,720
like come to terms with the with
what I'd experienced. It took me a

1050
01:29:55,720 --> 01:30:00,399
few years. Yeah, definitely,
but it's a really it was a really

1051
01:30:00,399 --> 01:30:05,960
great experience. And I would say
to anyone that that that you know is

1052
01:30:06,279 --> 01:30:12,600
going down that that that path,
just keep going and do it. It's

1053
01:30:12,680 --> 01:30:18,640
it's well worth it. It's really
worth it. It changes you in a

1054
01:30:18,680 --> 01:30:25,520
way that you never thought was possible. You you begin to love everyone,

1055
01:30:25,800 --> 01:30:30,920
like all people you know, almost
regardless of what they've done or their actions

1056
01:30:30,960 --> 01:30:36,039
in life. You you love them
just for being here with you right now,

1057
01:30:36,439 --> 01:30:43,399
almost. And I guess that goes
into what David Ike says about,

1058
01:30:43,560 --> 01:30:49,000
you know, love being the only
truth and all that stuff. So quite

1059
01:30:49,039 --> 01:30:54,039
quite a heavy experience, that first
one as an adult, and it not

1060
01:30:54,119 --> 01:30:57,800
me for six for a few years. But yeah, after that, it's

1061
01:30:57,800 --> 01:31:02,199
plain sailing really. So yeah,
so really that's your philosophy of life on

1062
01:31:02,319 --> 01:31:06,520
the sound of it. As we
all know, it's difficult to love some

1063
01:31:06,600 --> 01:31:15,199
people, yes, absolutely, I
mean, you know, even there are

1064
01:31:15,199 --> 01:31:17,760
some I guess there's some people out
there that some people might dislike strongly that

1065
01:31:17,800 --> 01:31:24,159
they've never met. M that's true, and yeah, I mean it's hard

1066
01:31:24,199 --> 01:31:30,560
to it's hard to love. Let's
say a politician that feels they have the

1067
01:31:30,640 --> 01:31:33,479
right to rule over you. Shall
we say, definitely, it's very hard

1068
01:31:33,479 --> 01:31:38,279
to show compassion to an individual like
that, or even even the king for

1069
01:31:38,319 --> 01:31:43,359
example. You know, I mean
it's very, very hard to show sympathy

1070
01:31:43,399 --> 01:31:46,640
and compassion to someone in that position
who feels they have the divine right to

1071
01:31:46,720 --> 01:31:51,159
rule over you because of the blood
that flows through their veins. I mean,

1072
01:31:51,399 --> 01:31:58,600
he must be confused or he's never
actually read the definition of a racism.

1073
01:31:58,640 --> 01:32:01,680
But you know, yeah, you're
right. It's hard. It is

1074
01:32:01,800 --> 01:32:08,039
very hard. And there's still times
that I curse people, you know there

1075
01:32:08,119 --> 01:32:11,359
is, But I would say that
after that, I love people a hell

1076
01:32:11,359 --> 01:32:15,239
of a lot more than what I
did previously. I think the thing is,

1077
01:32:15,279 --> 01:32:19,520
at least you're trying to even if
you're not always successful, you're trying

1078
01:32:19,560 --> 01:32:25,520
to love the monk. That's kind
of the important thing about it, and

1079
01:32:25,600 --> 01:32:30,279
you understand where you're coming from yourself. It's actually understanding yourself, I think

1080
01:32:30,399 --> 01:32:35,920
is a major part of where you
start. Yeah, i'd say you hit

1081
01:32:35,960 --> 01:32:41,159
the name on the head there,
and I so you're absolutely right. Over

1082
01:32:41,199 --> 01:32:45,119
the last five years, I've actually
just through age, really got to know

1083
01:32:45,239 --> 01:32:49,239
myself a lot better. And probably
that age in life that I'm at,

1084
01:32:49,399 --> 01:32:55,680
sort of mid thirties. But yeah, knowing yourself in life, I'd say

1085
01:32:55,720 --> 01:33:00,439
it's half the battle. It's no
mean who you are yourself fits that.

1086
01:33:00,560 --> 01:33:03,199
That's a that's the major part of
what life is all about. Or believe

1087
01:33:05,560 --> 01:33:10,159
you know, don't try and be
somebody else. Many most people try to

1088
01:33:10,199 --> 01:33:13,000
be somebody else. I think,
you know, throughout their lives. It's

1089
01:33:13,079 --> 01:33:15,960
been their younger years. And you
know, we see it all the time,

1090
01:33:16,039 --> 01:33:19,840
don't we On lot of the TikTok
videos and things like all the young

1091
01:33:19,920 --> 01:33:25,680
girls think they're well I wasn't say
British speers, but there's a's a bit

1092
01:33:25,680 --> 01:33:32,920
old fashioned now, but but you
know what I mean, it's they don't

1093
01:33:32,920 --> 01:33:38,319
really don't they don't really look within
themselves. They're looking without themselves, and

1094
01:33:38,359 --> 01:33:42,640
they all trying to look like something
they're not, you know, And I'm

1095
01:33:42,640 --> 01:33:45,279
not knocking people. That's just just
the way people are. It's just I

1096
01:33:45,359 --> 01:33:48,239
probably did much the same when I
was a young kid. You're a youngster,

1097
01:33:48,800 --> 01:33:54,039
you know. But I think we
all did. I think we all

1098
01:33:54,039 --> 01:33:59,600
project outwards. We all look to
learn from the world. So imitation is

1099
01:33:59,640 --> 01:34:03,800
the best form or repetition is the
best form of learning. So yeah,

1100
01:34:04,079 --> 01:34:09,079
the David iBook, you know,
drumming it in. You know, I

1101
01:34:09,079 --> 01:34:12,279
think the words in society are all
very you know, relevant. You know,

1102
01:34:12,319 --> 01:34:19,479
that's why we have Acts of Parliament
because playing a role in a in

1103
01:34:19,560 --> 01:34:24,760
a stage show, and we've all
got acts and scripts to you know,

1104
01:34:25,079 --> 01:34:29,119
and those acts actually don't mean anything
at all because we're actually born free and

1105
01:34:29,199 --> 01:34:33,800
we you know, nobody owns you
and think they do, but nobody actually

1106
01:34:33,840 --> 01:34:38,920
owns you. Yeah, I know. Yeah, it's it's interesting. I

1107
01:34:38,920 --> 01:34:44,680
have heard some things, but I've
heard there's been some court cases a long

1108
01:34:44,720 --> 01:34:51,880
time ago, various different things that
it's very confusing. But I think we've

1109
01:34:51,880 --> 01:34:56,439
been declared dead and lost at sea. That's great. Yeah, so your

1110
01:34:56,479 --> 01:35:00,800
straw you got to find your straw
man. Yeah, And you know,

1111
01:35:00,840 --> 01:35:03,640
we have a corporation and it's a
corpse at the end of the day,

1112
01:35:03,680 --> 01:35:08,079
because these are all Latin words and
they do it. These people that set

1113
01:35:08,159 --> 01:35:12,479
up these institutions. They do it
for all walks of life. Right,

1114
01:35:13,000 --> 01:35:16,039
here's one where it gets really interesting. You know, we're talking about how

1115
01:35:16,039 --> 01:35:21,199
do they like hide these aliens from
you, like right before your eyes.

1116
01:35:21,399 --> 01:35:29,399
I mean, the mind's very powerful
and it works on subliminal messaging and subtle

1117
01:35:29,520 --> 01:35:36,039
nuances and tests of ignorance. Right, here's one. Right, So let's

1118
01:35:36,079 --> 01:35:42,279
think about the economy just briefly for
a moment, right, And if we

1119
01:35:42,319 --> 01:35:46,479
look at the economy just as a
broad picture. In the economy, we've

1120
01:35:46,520 --> 01:35:53,960
got the household, We've got the
government, we've got the corporation, and

1121
01:35:54,000 --> 01:35:59,720
then we've got the labor market.
And then we've obviously got all the different

1122
01:35:59,800 --> 01:36:03,399
market markets that are created by the
corporation, like the goods and services market

1123
01:36:03,640 --> 01:36:10,960
and financial markets and everything else.
Right, Well, if you were to

1124
01:36:11,000 --> 01:36:16,279
look at that on the flow chart, you know, it's it's got it

1125
01:36:16,319 --> 01:36:20,640
looks like an electronical schematic. Actually, if when you've got all the different

1126
01:36:20,640 --> 01:36:25,640
bits put there with the household,
the government, the corporation, and then

1127
01:36:25,680 --> 01:36:32,079
you've got currency that flows all the
way around this through the form of purchasing

1128
01:36:32,159 --> 01:36:40,039
goods in the markets or taxation through
government through wages. People can get paid

1129
01:36:40,039 --> 01:36:45,159
through the labor market, they get
currency. If you think the whole thing

1130
01:36:45,520 --> 01:36:51,920
is being powered by currency. Just
like electricity is an electronical current, electric

1131
01:36:53,000 --> 01:37:01,479
electrical current, we also have currency
that flows through our electronic or electronic circuit

1132
01:37:01,479 --> 01:37:05,800
board of our microeconomy, should we
say, and you know, this circuit

1133
01:37:05,800 --> 01:37:11,600
board has got resistors, it's got
capacitors, and you know, I joking

1134
01:37:11,640 --> 01:37:15,119
saw an image every day of a
circuit board closed up, zoomed and it

1135
01:37:15,199 --> 01:37:21,439
looked like a skyline with all the
resistors in the capacity a city from the

1136
01:37:21,479 --> 01:37:26,159
air as well. Yeah, yeah, And you know, if you if

1137
01:37:26,159 --> 01:37:30,800
you get into economics and you you
study the macroeconomics of a situation, and

1138
01:37:30,840 --> 01:37:34,119
you get into all of that,
it becomes very easy to see that it

1139
01:37:34,159 --> 01:37:40,399
looks like an electronic piece of circuitry. And then, like I said,

1140
01:37:40,439 --> 01:37:45,039
currency flows through that, and currency
is subject to resistors and capacitors. Now,

1141
01:37:45,079 --> 01:37:49,560
resistors resist the flow of money in
a market, just like taxation does

1142
01:37:49,600 --> 01:37:54,079
that for example. And then there
are capacitors, there are you know,

1143
01:37:54,760 --> 01:37:57,479
government aid packages and stuff like that. But we won't get into it.

1144
01:37:57,960 --> 01:38:00,359
But then here's when they get really
clever. With their words, right,

1145
01:38:00,479 --> 01:38:05,760
because you think, well, you
know, why does currency? Why is

1146
01:38:05,800 --> 01:38:11,600
there loads of different currencies in the
world, you know? And you know

1147
01:38:11,720 --> 01:38:16,920
because in electrical currency we've got different
voltages. And if you think about what

1148
01:38:17,000 --> 01:38:21,159
we store money or currency in a
bank, we store it in a bank

1149
01:38:21,279 --> 01:38:27,520
vault. So although the words are
slightly different, I can assure you this

1150
01:38:27,600 --> 01:38:30,800
is all about phonetics polar patterns.
And I'm a musician and I know a

1151
01:38:30,840 --> 01:38:36,399
little bit about this. Right.
You get words in the English language called

1152
01:38:36,399 --> 01:38:44,520
homophones, right, where it's phonetically
the word sounds the same, but it

1153
01:38:44,560 --> 01:38:47,319
has a different meaning. So I
think an example of this is like no

1154
01:38:48,079 --> 01:38:55,800
and no, so like it's the
same phonetically that the word sounds the same,

1155
01:38:55,840 --> 01:38:59,319
but they have two different meanings.
So like no, especially if you

1156
01:38:59,399 --> 01:39:02,840
use it in the center rather than
just say it like you know, I

1157
01:39:03,000 --> 01:39:09,319
know that something is the way it
is, or no, that's not true,

1158
01:39:09,680 --> 01:39:14,880
Like the two words are different,
but yet the phonetically they're exactly the

1159
01:39:14,920 --> 01:39:18,079
same. And to these people with
a lesser magic in the world, the

1160
01:39:18,119 --> 01:39:21,920
phonetics are very important, I think, and it's hard that it's part of

1161
01:39:21,960 --> 01:39:27,640
how they test people's ignorance, and
then you think, well, why are

1162
01:39:27,640 --> 01:39:32,560
we storing currencies involt involts, you
know, and why does every nation have

1163
01:39:32,600 --> 01:39:38,279
a different you know, vault that
it stores its national currency in or whatever.

1164
01:39:39,479 --> 01:39:43,640
And because each currency has a different
voltage. And then you realize that

1165
01:39:43,880 --> 01:39:47,159
every currency has a different value.
That's why we have exchange rates, because

1166
01:39:47,199 --> 01:39:50,720
even in electricity, you've got to
exchange the voltage, you've got to convert

1167
01:39:50,880 --> 01:40:00,439
or transform it. They lay these
traps everywhere to test how ignorant we all

1168
01:40:00,439 --> 01:40:06,119
are. And you know, it
allows you know, the square mile in

1169
01:40:06,119 --> 01:40:15,319
in London, shall we say which? You know it's likely you know where

1170
01:40:15,359 --> 01:40:18,600
where the sort of remnants of the
of the British Empire went is in that

1171
01:40:18,640 --> 01:40:24,439
square mile, just like you know
the Roman Empire went to the Vatican square

1172
01:40:24,479 --> 01:40:30,520
mile. And you know, I
think over the over the years, it's

1173
01:40:30,560 --> 01:40:33,079
just how do we use a different
empire to try and to try and farm

1174
01:40:33,159 --> 01:40:40,760
people? And I think they were
being farmed for our our chakra energy or

1175
01:40:40,800 --> 01:40:44,319
what the Buddhists called wheels of light. Yeah, certainly something like that,

1176
01:40:44,399 --> 01:40:49,079
ye mm hmm. And after seeing
what I saw, and with all of

1177
01:40:49,159 --> 01:40:55,199
Dave's help, I would say that
that is my conclusion on the matter so

1178
01:40:55,359 --> 01:41:01,600
far. To date, I've probably
got more experiences to have. Yeah,

1179
01:41:01,600 --> 01:41:03,560
well, you're used to a young
man, aren't you. You're not old

1180
01:41:03,640 --> 01:41:06,720
yet, so I would say you've
probably got some more experiences to go.

1181
01:41:08,560 --> 01:41:11,720
Yeah, yeah, I hope.
So it's been a little while because I

1182
01:41:11,720 --> 01:41:16,079
haven't been in the right place mentally. But UFOs and crop circles are just

1183
01:41:16,119 --> 01:41:20,720
so, they're just They're fine.
I can I can quite happily see them

1184
01:41:20,760 --> 01:41:26,000
many day of the week without it
really affecting me on a daily basis.

1185
01:41:26,039 --> 01:41:29,760
But I think if I was to
have another experience, it might I might

1186
01:41:29,800 --> 01:41:34,520
need a week off work afterwards,
I think, because I'm just going to

1187
01:41:34,560 --> 01:41:36,960
want to go to Tesco's and tell
Jani's all about it, and she's going

1188
01:41:38,000 --> 01:41:42,520
to think I'm a crazy person.
I suppose it depends how intense it isn't

1189
01:41:42,520 --> 01:41:46,039
it. Yeah, No, it's
funny, Like you know, I actually

1190
01:41:46,119 --> 01:41:50,720
remember there was a lady that I
used to speak to at Tesco's back row

1191
01:41:50,840 --> 01:41:54,600
used to live before I'd had the
experience, and we used to talk all

1192
01:41:54,640 --> 01:41:59,840
about David Ike and She's It was
back when like Edge media was on Sky.

1193
01:42:00,039 --> 01:42:03,239
Remember edge media. It was like
an awaiting channel on sky. It

1194
01:42:03,279 --> 01:42:08,720
was. I always speak to her
about that, and she was she was

1195
01:42:08,760 --> 01:42:11,479
always telling me. She's like,
oh, you're definitely going to meet aliens.

1196
01:42:11,520 --> 01:42:14,840
I'm like, really, why are
you telling me this? She's like,

1197
01:42:15,000 --> 01:42:16,960
I can just see it in you. And then that's one of the

1198
01:42:16,960 --> 01:42:20,680
first things I did after that experience
was David was. I went to Tesco's

1199
01:42:20,680 --> 01:42:25,359
and I told her all about it, and she was just astatic. She

1200
01:42:25,479 --> 01:42:29,159
was. She was so happy,
she was she was I think for her,

1201
01:42:29,279 --> 01:42:31,239
she was just like, oh,
I was right sort of thing.

1202
01:42:31,279 --> 01:42:33,199
And I was like, yeah,
you were right. And I told her

1203
01:42:33,199 --> 01:42:36,600
all about it, and she was
really tough, and I never saw her

1204
01:42:36,600 --> 01:42:42,239
again after that. Oh. Strangely
enough, it's not the sort of thing

1205
01:42:42,239 --> 01:42:46,880
you hear every day, is it. No, No, exactly, But

1206
01:42:46,960 --> 01:42:50,520
again, she was just there during
the journey when I was times got tough.

1207
01:42:50,600 --> 01:42:55,119
Sometimes he was sort of saying,
you know, just hanging there,

1208
01:42:55,279 --> 01:42:59,199
that sort of thing, just hanging
there, and you'd be surprised that there

1209
01:42:59,199 --> 01:43:02,680
are people through all walks of life
that are probably open to this, you

1210
01:43:02,720 --> 01:43:05,720
know, but just don't get a
chance to talk about it as much as

1211
01:43:05,720 --> 01:43:12,560
they'd like just because life is getting
the better of them, you know,

1212
01:43:12,680 --> 01:43:16,680
they're too busy, Yeah, or
they don't have the help in order to

1213
01:43:16,720 --> 01:43:23,760
develop these skills mm. And of
course there's lots of worries about all sorts

1214
01:43:23,800 --> 01:43:27,439
of other things going on as well
to distract you from what you should be

1215
01:43:27,560 --> 01:43:31,640
thinking about exactly that. Yeah,
it brings your perception right back to where

1216
01:43:31,640 --> 01:43:34,880
it needs to be in order for
you to create the reality that's been created

1217
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now. Yeah. Thanks say,
it's been fantastic avenue but on the show,

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you know, very interesting. The
time has gone so quick it's amazing.

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We'll have to do it again sometimes. Thanks for coming on and there's

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been great talking to you, and
thanks for finding the time, great pleasure.

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Thanks for having me all I feel
as I say, we will do

1222
01:43:58,039 --> 01:44:00,119
it again and it's been great talking
to you, and thank you. Thank

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01:44:00,119 --> 01:44:02,520
you for your time. Take care, thank you, Thanks Phield. Cheers,

1224
01:44:02,560 --> 01:44:05,359
take care of yourself. Yeers,
God there we are. That was

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01:44:05,399 --> 01:44:09,199
Phil Graham. Thank you, Phil. Okay for the next show, I've

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got two guests for the price of
one. Just a few months ago,

1227
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I attended a festival. If he
had explained, two of the young ladies

1228
01:44:15,840 --> 01:44:18,520
that actually run that event, Karen
Frey, who's been on the show before,

1229
01:44:18,680 --> 01:44:21,960
and Rachel Ashman, so they will
be the guests on the next show,

1230
01:44:23,000 --> 01:44:26,079
which is on the eleventh of December. Rachel and Karen will be telling

1231
01:44:26,119 --> 01:44:30,079
us about the twenty twenty forty event, which I already know is going to

1232
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be an amazing event. So I'm
really looking forward to that one. I'm

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sure there'll be a few giggles along
the way with Rachel and Karen knowing them.

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01:44:35,920 --> 01:44:39,800
Anyway. Apart from that, if
you'd like to get in touch with

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me at any time, my email
address is David Young two q N at

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01:44:44,439 --> 01:44:49,159
Yahoo dot co dot uk. That's
David Young two q N at Yahoo dot

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01:44:49,199 --> 01:44:54,680
co dot UK. So until the
eleventh of December, with Karen Frey and

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01:44:54,760 --> 01:44:58,199
Rachel Ashmand, I beat your farewell
for now and I will speak to you

1239
01:44:58,239 --> 01:45:01,319
then. Keep well and take care
of your life. In spite of our

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01:45:01,439 --> 01:45:06,279
enormous speed, the stars seemed to
hang motions due to all types of disturbances

1241
01:45:06,279 --> 01:45:11,319
caroused by the planet. Radio contact
with Earth is no longer possible. Nothing

1242
01:45:11,760 --> 01:46:13,319
too much interference. I can't hear
a thing. Paranormal dimensions is fortnightly on

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01:46:13,439 --> 01:46:15,520
Mondays on the Paranormal UK Radio Network.