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and I need all the figures I can get. Hello, this is Nick
Pope and you're listening to the Paranormal UK Radio Network, the UK's biggest paranormal
network, and this is Paranormal Dimensions with David Young. Hello, welcome to
the show. I'm David Young. Okay, first, today's guest. If
you were expecting a show with a young lady named Hollywood, I'm afraid that
one's been postponed for a little while as Holly wasn't very well, so I
had to cancel that one. But she will be coming on the show earlier
in the new year, so I have to work for that one. I'm
afraid to find out who Hollywood is if you don't know already. But instead
of that, I've got another great show for you with the mister Phil Graham.
Now, anyone who listen to this show regularly may realize that I had
Phil Graham on the show with his good friend Dave Hunt, and that was
back in July. But as you're hear me say on the show, I
didn't think that Phil had a good endings on that show, so I thought
i'd give him another chance to come on and put his side of the story.
So that's Phil Graham. So I'll waste no more time. I'd like
to welcome Phil to the show. Phil, Welcome to the show once again.
Hey David, thanks for having me. I say once again, because
you were on the show a few months back in July I believe it was,
and you were on with Dave Hunt, your old friend. I wanted
to invite you back on the show because I didn't think that you really had
much of a chance to put your point of view towards a lot of things.
It seemed to be more Dave's show. So I really thought it would
be good to get you back on the show and to give your perspective on
a lot of things. As you know, I've called this particular show strange
Visions, because you've had quite a few strange visions in your time. As
I understand it, along with Dave. Now, I also think that you
believe a lot of this is actually dimensional or mentioned or was that right?
Yeah? Yeah, jumping straight in, Yeah, I do. I mean
the best of my you know, ability to discern what's what's put before my
eyes. I'm led to believe that and that that, Yeah, it's dimensional
of nature, and it's led me to research all kinds of things, including
science and you know the realms that it would take you into if you were
researching those sorts of things. Yeah, I mean, I know I sort
of did not jumping straight in like you said, I mean, what kind
of what's what started? Where we're what we were early days of these experiences?
Yeah, I guess you know, cosmosis for me was around about the
start of it in adulthood, should we say, I mean, if we're
going back to the early days, it was. It was definitely started in
childhood. And I would suggest that most people have those experiences, but you
know, the adults don't talk about it, and you know that they weren't
talking about it because I think there's something that happens to us from from when
we were younger over the time where we grow up. I think our minds
are conditioned in a way using something called neuroplasticity, where it lets you figure
your mind to have the ability to do things. But yeah, you know,
and then and then as you sort of get older, you you just
forget about it and you think that it was just your imagination as a child.
And I guess you don't think anything of it, mm hmm. And
I guess the fining fact that for me was, you know, in my
personal experience was having an like having a moment as an adult where you know,
it was it was undeniable, shall we say, which is why I'm
led to believe that it is in it is dimensional in nature. And when
we talk about dimensions, you know, these are some of the toughest questions
in science to date, so you know, and scientists are you know,
fast approaching these concepts, and you know, they're quickly becoming able to explain
them. Yeah. I think everyone's agreed that we we have only got a
very narrow sense of the wave wave wavelengths, but that we can see and
there are things sort of either side of us that'll probably go for miles that
we just can't see, yeah, or even right in front of you.
Yeah, I suppose if it's sort of different frequency like a radio or TV
frequency, Yeah, exactly, exactly. Now, what if what if whole
dimensions of reality exist and you know, there's matter that exists in them,
there's you know, physics and everything, but it's right on top of us.
Should we say, just outside of our perception of awareness that we're able
to obtain mm hm. You know, scientists do talk about this, they
call it like extra temporal dimensions, and they know how to manipulate it to
some extent with very primitive technologies, like you say, like radio waves and
frequencies, mostly pioneered in the First and Second World Wars. So without war
we would we probably wouldn't have those technologies, which is quite crazy. Yeah,
it's quite strange really. Yeah, like, you know, our economy
isn't really geared up to innovate at the pace of what you would in war
time, which is it's nuts. Like it doesn't seem sane to me.
That doesn't seem like a saying approach to living or life. But hey,
you know, I didn't I didn't make it. I didn't didn't create it,
so hey hoe mm hmm. I mean what kind of experiences was it
the your head and what sort of age were you when they started? I
had a couple of experiences when I was younger, when I was probably about
four to six years old, I was taught a lesson one day. I
guess that was one of the first experiences that I had, and that was
the more passive experience, shall we say. It just started with a little
voice inside my head that I suggested that I go and stand in front of
the mirror that was in the hallway. So I did, because you know,
I didn't really have much else on, being four and all. So
I went and I looked in the mirror and then the same voice sort of
said to me, just remember a couple of things for us. I said,
okay, whoever else is and it said, look in the mirror,
everything's a reflection and nothing exists. So I thought, okay, that's really
found. And then they thought they sort of said, well, thank you
for it like this, and I've heard this said since, but you know,
I'm not saying it's true for any you know, for any purpose.
I'm just sort of saying it was a profound lesson that taught me a lot.
And they said, well, everything's a reflection and nothing exists, and
that stuck with me about the nature of reality. I was it was probably
dumbed down for a child of a different species, so we say, so,
you know, just took it in my stride. And then there was
another experience that happened quite soon after that, I would say within a couple
of weeks. That was when I thought to myself it was, you know,
it was a bit weird. And I sat in my room again as
as a child, and I got the sense in that sense when somebody walks
in through the door and you feel like air displacement. Yeah, I got
that sense from like behind me, but there was no door there, so
I just sort of turned around. And then with that I saw these silhouettes.
Now they weren't full in features, but they were humanoids that much I
knew, and there were glass like in nature, and I could see through
them. They were translucent. And there was two at the time for me,
adult sized ones, you know, normal height, and there was two
half sized ones. I got the impression they were like children. And again
at the time, I was hearing these communications as voices in my head.
But now it's changed and the sort of younger ones, or what I would
perceived as younger the half sized silhouettes sort of said can we stay in and
watch this one, and the sort of older ones sort of said, we'll
come back to date. This is a this is a bit long, this
one will come back when it gets exciting, so I thought. And then
with that, these silhouettes glass like in nature just seem to just walk straight
out of a second story window through a wall, so they didn't seem to
bother them, and I've shrugged it off, you know, yeah, I
mean a lot of being a four year old, like you're saying, it's
very difficult to make something. A lot of that up, isn't it.
Well, I mean that sort of age. You don't you don't even know
what science fiction is, really, do you? It's not. I mean
really, all you're sort of close to is like normal human beings, and
you know, you would know what ghosts were or aliens were or anything like
that. So to a TV seeing something like that, I think he's quite
an amazing thing. You know. I really wasn't interested in things like aliens.
I certainly at four years old, you would be, would you,
you know, I mean, if you if they thought that was interesting.
There was actually one experience that predates that experience, which would probably be more
profound and I would say that this experience occurred before I was alive in this
body. I don't know how much you are clued up on carnation and things
like that, but yeah, I believe in it. I do believe in
it. I'm kind of going down the David Knight group now where he's kind
of explaining things about writing. You know, it's a spot on. It's
sort of going off a different direction, now, isn't it about this is
a dream and carnation is a trap? Absolutely enough. I'm reading that book
at the moment. The dream that he's written the latest one? Great?
Yeah, how are you finding it? Have you going? He's actually it's
actually the heaviest going book I think I've read of his. It's actually difficult
to get your head around, but with a lot of I mean it is
great he's sinking in. But because he does go over the same kind of
thing over and over again quite a bit, and I think he's doing that
in order to drum it into you. Repetition helps the mind. Yeah,
it does. Yeah, I mean it's not exactly saying exactly the same thing,
but it does it. It takes you from a different direction, a
different perspective, and it takes you back to the same place. That's great.
Yeah, I've been a big fan of St. David ike material over
the years. Just just such great clarity, you know, and able to
explain it to a layman effectively, which is terrific. You know, just
all those years of hard work, you know, just just goes unnoticed a
lot of the time. But yeah, no, great stuff. And funny
you mentioned that David Ike just doesn't about to talk about this next experience because,
again touching on the same theme as what you said, I'm four years
old at this point. I got no reference point for this what I'm about
to explain. But this this first experience that sort of happened, I guess
that I'm aware of was being alive in a body before this one. Now
I don't to I don't know too much about things there. I've just got
a memory in the in the form of a visual memory like we would any
other visual memory. And I was in another place, and it appeared that
physics began to break, like gravity began to break, and weird think and
reality started to distort like I'd never seen it. In fact, I was
in a group of people like none of us had ever seen it. And
then with that what started to happen all around us in in every direction was
these golden spheres sort of appeared sort of balls of light. And I get
shaky even talking about this today because like you know, no one, no
one really knows what it is. And these these golden balls began to form
in the world, in reality around us and everybody else that was there,
me included, and they grew in nature, they got bigger and bigger until
they were roughly twelve foot tall in nature, touching the floor. And then
out of these golden spheres there was loads of them. They're all around us
literally maybe could be one hundred scattered all around. And outcome from these golden
spheres is these these bipodular, reptile looking things m hm. And and they
just begin to attack everyone, like just just attacked everyone. And I would
say that that was death because when they got me, I remember the visuals
of what it all looked like. I didn't really I didn't feel any pain.
I would imagine the body is probably kind to you on the edge of
death. And I remember it was like a slow shut speed on a camera
where you're taking a picture at night. You might have seen them on like
the highway where you know at night with lights on and all of the lights
are slip streaming all across the image. What was a similar looking thing,
but it just had motion to it. So I'm sort of struggling, and
you know, what I can see is me struggling around and the environment that
I'm in. But with that, it's beginning to slip and slide or around
until it becomes incomprehensible and it turns to black, and then there's a brief
moment of blackness, and then next thing I know, I appeared to be
in a much smaller body. My hands are smaller, and everything's read around
me. Almost the best way to describe it is like shining a torch underneath
your thumb and seeing it like red. And then I'm being jutted around but
what only appears to be a heartbeat to my best recollection, and then with
that my memory cut off. And if you know anything about the mind and
science, you know the hippocampus what most scientists attribute to memory consolidation, So
retrieving and storing memories isn't actually fully developed until you're about the age of two.
So your memory and your coherence of the world doesn't actually begin to develop
until that age. Why still development don't link? Yeah to tell me.
And so my memory just went away until I was about two years old,
but still concerned by what I'd witnessed. One of my first sentences to my
mum at the time was I was chased by a crocodile. That was That
was one of my first sentences that I verbalized. And I checked this out
twenty years later. I asked her, I said, you know, oh,
can you cast your memory back for me? Do you ever remember me
mentioning anything about a crocodile as a kid? She's like, yeah, you
wouldn't shut up about it, something about being chased, and well that just
was enough to send my hair on the back of my neck. And you've
got a bear in mind. At this time, I don't know who David
Ike is. I don't know anything about you know, reptiles or or anything
like that. So yeah, I would say that what David Ike is saying,
based on my own personal experience, is in line and correct. There
is carnation, reincarnation, and it can be a trap as we're being farmed
by an inter dimensional species of reptiles. It would appear, but again obviously
incredibly hard to prove in the eyes of science. Yeah, it's impossible to
prove, isn't it. I mean, you've got to first prove that into
dimensional travel is possible. And we're still operating on propulsion and haven't even entertained
the idea of repulsion yet. So let's try and clarify that a little bit
for people that might be listening to this and don't kind of understand what you're
saying and what I'm sort of getting out as well. We're in like the
third dimension. Outside of that is like a fourth dimension, which is kind
of controlled in this life, if you like, if you called it that,
and and the next dimension of that is kind of like the fifth dimension,
isn't it, which is like the astral plane. And that's kind of
I think I believe that's what you're saying as well, what you're what you're
agreeing with, is that right? Yeah? I guess so. And I'll
be honest with you, I'm still researching a lot of this stuff myself and
trying to figure it out as day by day goes on. But yeah,
I'm just trying to simplify for if anyone trying to get their head around what
we're trying to say about dimensional stuff, you know, like you might have
but when we kind of die, we go into the fifth dimension, and
that fifth dimension is like an all knowing type of thing, and that's where
you get your choice as to whether they come back or not. Basically,
that's that's why I see. Yeah, I try to simplify it a little
bit, that's absolutely. I just the only thing I would say is from
what I've learned is it doesn't appear that dimensions act in a linear fashion to
that. But yeah, to simplify it absolutely, in what you're saying,
there seems to be whole universes out there, you know, with that are
as infinite as this one. But I think maybe we get confused as people.
I think we then think, oh, well, there's a multiverse.
Well perhaps the universe is actually all of these different planes of existence, And
I think that's where a lot of the flat air stuff might get a little
bit confused with what they're dealing with. Yeah, I mean, I mean
I've really tried, you know, I want these people to have their scientific
model, but it's hard, you know, to get any coherence out of
the narrative on it, and you know, it's a shame, but there's
a lot of evidence to suggest in the scientific arena that, like, we
live in a flat universe, on a flat plane of existence, and we
live in what appears to be a holographic universe. And if you really think
about it and observe what we know about you know, you know, planets
and things like that, you know, it really is a hologram. You
know, it can be day and night on this planet simultaneously. You know,
hm, just depends which angle you look at it. That sounds like
a hologram to me. Yeah, no, I definitely agree with you.
Yeah, but yeah, you know, definitely, you know, getting back
to the carnation stuff, Yeah, yeah, And I think that part of
the carnation trap is not having any awareness of previous carnations. And yeah,
I think to simplify it it, I think you're right in what you're saying.
It does happen like that. But I think the part of the trap
is that we all incarnate in the same or if not very similar existence to
what we did previously. And I think that's probably where the concept of heaven
and out hell might come from. You know, I think you can move
sort of in a linear fashion in this this frequency spectrum in your carnation,
and each time, you know, reality could get a little bit worse or
a little bit better perhaps, you know, in either direction. And each
each life you learn things. You know, we're all learning every day,
And I think that once you learn something new, you change your awareness and
you potentially set yourself up for where you're you're going to go next. And
yeah, I mean it is difficult to get your head around when you start
thinking about holographic universes. And but I really don't. I mean I couldn't
know. I didn't understand the thing about it. I probably still don't really,
But once I've started, I mean, I I'm actually going down that
route now that I think it's got to be truth to it, you know,
because now I think you're slid basically, is it? You know?
Yeah, that's right, absolutely, I think was Einstein may have said equals
MC squared, you know, so by that very you know formula, there
is no such thing as solid so that you know, it's littered throughout our
understandings in the world and our knowings. But I think the biggest problem is,
like you know, when you go to university and you get a degree,
you kind of just have a degree of knowledge, and you don't really
have perspective, and you only really seem to have perception of the world.
And I think perspective is just as important because perspective would imply context. Mm
hmm. And I do think that that's important your worldview. And you know,
talking about sort of the holographic nature of reality, well, I guess
to simplify that, it's just a dream, you know, and a dream,
just like we can change at any moment, anything can happen. I
mean, I think I had a Bugatti once in a dream. I was
terrified about how I was going to afford the tires. I was very confused
about how I obtained it. You know, you won't worried about how much
of fuels a costumes. No, I mean, you'd be greater on a
track day or something, but you know, just a bit too much maintenance
for me. I think, Yeah, I guess that was you know,
basically childhood. There was other things, but probably not vital, and I
guess after that it was it was basically just into you know, into the
experiences in adulthood and how those transpired and as you got a bit older,
did you look back on those things and think maybe they might have been ghosts
or something like that? I mean, do you believe in like ghosts and
that sort of thing. I personally have never had an experience with the ghost
I have had. I've had clear senses, so I have heard I have
heard audible voices that should well didn't come from anywhere. Basically, mm hmm.
I've seen things when I really shouldn't be seeing them, should we say?
That's what I mean. But when you thought better, did you think
they might have been something that you or you've probably got a different ideal birst
to what they are now. But I just wondered if you might have thought
they were a lot of ghostly things that you were seeing, or when did
you start to tweak that it wasn't quite there and it was something else.
The twig is if twiggers world, Well, growing up, I just thought
it was normal, and I just thought everyone went through it. And I
guess as a child, you know, everyone humors you, so you know,
you sort of verify that it happens or whatever, and then and then
you sort of ask, you know, what is it? And then you
know people do say ghosts, that seems to be their first first approach,
But yeah, I settled on ghosts for a long time, like, yeah,
this is what I thought you might have done, because I think that's
kind of the first thought. If you see, if you're seeing beings that
you saw, the first thing that would come to your mind is, well,
are they ghosts? Yeah? Yeah, And I actually I had a
little stint with a Ouiji board and it actually it actually really messed things up
in life for a little bit, I'll be honest, But that's a whole
different chain of events. But so I do believe that that stuff is real,
whether it you know, you're contacting a ghost or a spirit or a
demonic entity, shall we say. Yeah, So I do believe that I
just wrote it off as ghosts. You know, everyone was saying, oh,
yeah, it's probably just a ghost or something, and you know,
then you never learned about ghosts in school, and you just forget about it,
right, you just forget about it. And then I guess when I
really started to notice that it probably wasn't ghosts was probably the few years in
the lead up to joining Cosmosis and you know, playing shows and knowing all
those those guys and things like that. So, and as I said,
I had a friend, Dave, who really helped me come to terms and
understand some of these things. And I don't think without I think without him,
I wouldn't have been able to pursue the things that I pursued, which
ultimately led to me having that experience, shall we say, So that was
really helpful. I mean, if you've got a Dave, you know,
just learn everything you can because it can be a long journey. I'm saying
that everyone can do this, everyone can have these experiences ultimately, but you've
got to really want it, should we say, And you've got to do
the work in order to have it. It's not easy, and it can
sometimes be a lonely journey, but sometimes it can be the most exciting thing
you've ever experienced, should we say? But yeah, just just doing it
with a group of friends was so helpful and useful, especially people you could
relate to who were also going through some of the same things. So for
me, I guess when it's you know, these types of experience started to
occur as an adult, I had a large group of people around me who
are also having similar, if not the same experiences at the same time,
so that that was really useful because it allows you to explore what it is
you've experienced without things like ridicule and stuff like that. And what shocked me
more than anything else is that we were all in the same town. Here,
I am struggling to find, you know, anyone anywhere that knows anything
about this stuff, but here I've stumbled across a group of about you know,
seven to twelve people that get it and have had similar experiences, which
was, like I say, really helpful. Yeah. It makes you wonder
if maybe you were purposely brought together as well out there to actually help each
other. Yeah, because I'm quite a firm believer in things don't happen for
you know, things do happen for a reason, they don't sort of,
you know, they don't happen for no reason. Absolutely, absolutely, Yeah,
I think you're right. I think that the chances of life in the
first place, you know, can't be coincidental, so the events that happen
in them. But yeah, I mean, we live in chaos, but
you know, it seems very well organized. I think that you know,
there are black holes in the universe that don't seem to collide with each other,
because they seem to just be dancing with each other, almost like waltz.
But yeah, if they collided, they would release disproportionate energy to their
mass and that would be the end of the universe. But you know,
if you look at and they're just dancing, you know, we've got all
these tremendous forces which could destroy it self and it doesn't. Oh, yes,
the thing, do we really understand what black holes are? Still?
I mean, scientists took a picture of it apparently, and apparently they say
it's like it's the densest areas of the universe, and some speculate that if
you go through it, it's probably a wormhole. But I guess no one's
ever really gone through it, because I mean, you know, so I
guess maybe we'll never know. But you know, the things we're talking about
are are not too far from removed from from right in front of us.
I said earlier that a lot of our technology in the world works around propulsion
and explosion. I mean, even the combustion engine works around explosions happening,
and that propels the vehicle forward, whether it's an aircraft or a motor vehicle.
Of some kind, and we've seem to have put all the legs in
one basket. And I think if we maybe spent a little bit of time
focusing on the opposite. So maybe if we focused on implosive forces and the
idea of repulsion, because that seems like a worthwhile endeavor. And I think
that's how we arrive at a lot of the interstellar interdimensional travel using obviously like
quantum entanglement, shall we say, I guess that's the people's best understanding of
it, I e. Scientists. I'd like to just sort of make out.
That's quite an important point, I guess in things, because where is
this all going? What is this all for? I guess for me,
I'm a technology person, and I guess that's what drives me. But it'd
be great if if we had some of these technologies. But you know,
I just think that it you know, there's fear of us strapping a weapon
to it and trying to blow each other up. Oh you raise an interesting
point there, actually, do you not think that maybe how secret governments because
they're obviously not the governments at the front. Do you not think they may
already be doing this behind the scenes. Yes, absolutely, of course they
are. I think, you know, for as well as we don't actually
know, I think anyone would be foolish not to deduce that as the reality.
You know, hypersonic missiles seem to be thrown about now, you know.
And I'd say that the US is the military industrial or complex, So
any military industrial complex advancements that happen in Darper or you know, areas or
groups like that would would definitely be secret. And I'd say that they advance
technologically on a scale for every year that we advanced technologically in the consumer world,
in the public world, they're probably advancing forty years every year. You
know. I've seen things on video from I don't know obviously, it's one
of those things we just can't verify. But you know, and like I
say, I'm I'm a computer person, so I can I can spot fake
you know, computer generated stuff. But you know, similar technology I've seen
the US military to have, you know, it's quite impressive. They can
make whole aircraft disappear before your eyes using the light it would appear, but
again can't. The US government will never confirm nor deny these technologies because the
best, the best tool is secrecy. With these things, and you know,
they don't really want anyone to know they've got these technologies. So yeah,
I would say if we were trying to match up with the Bob Blazar
story, for anyone who's familiar with that story, go and give it a
investigate and a review. It's amazing if we were trying to line up with
that story. You know, a lot of the crafts that were in s.
S four, I think I don't even know Area fifty one that Bobazar
talks about. He claims that they they weren't actually built. They were found
in archaeological digs. A couple of them they were, they were here,
And I think that they definitely reversed engineered a lot of that technology. And
I do think that they've they've now created aircrafts with that technology, but obviously
won't won't make it public for obvious reasons. It's so there's a concert of
bobbers are for a moment now. For about twenty years, I actually believed
a lot of what bobbers I was saying, and then all of a sudden,
I started hearing a few things about oh he's lying and he wasn't there
and everything like that. So it put me on the fence a little bit,
and I'm kind of still on the fence with bobbers Are. But do
you believe that's what he's actually been saying, is truly I do? I
do. I see a lot of the same behaviors in him that I would
see in myself when trying to explain this. And now we're either great actors
or you know, what's happened to us is genuine. So I can relate
to that, I can, you know. Of course, on the other
side of it, you get these people saying he wasn't there to actually sort
of deconstruct his whole story, doesn't it once you start a lot of the
same sort of things they did with David Night, basically just saying I was
a nuts and he's just lying and everything. And you know they do the
same with a lot of people. I'll think that's just to try and take
him out of the picture. Yes, there are covert operations throughout our entire
society on every level, in the police to the military, and absolutely trying
to erase this man's history after he went public with some of this stuff.
Is absolutely in line with them. Discredit, discredit, discredit, lie until
people believe it. But fortunately enough, there's been some real great things that
have happened since since those people tried to destroy him. Somewhat vindicated, shall
we say. Element one fifteen was added to the periodic table, which was
nice. He'd been talking about that in the year's lead up. So that
was the nuclear material, the isotope which they were able to create the anti
gravity from allegedly. Hm hmm. Yeah. So maybe i'd better come off
the fence and sort of sor Yeah. I mean, I've got to say
I'm still on the fence a little bit. Yeah, but as I say,
I have actually been following it a little bit since then. Maybe I'm
kind of coming off the fence on bobblers OL's side of going. But I
did actually feel a great sense of disappointment after I've been following and believing in
for twenty years. You know. But I guess I said, they do
it, you know, they say they try to discredit people. Yeah,
just discredit them. I likely deep with David Dight as I say, it's
and several other people, as you know, when they lose their platforms,
et cetera. Yeah, it's it's their remo and they you know, but
you know, everyone's free to believe that they want. Like, that's the
great thing about life. You know, We've all got differences, I say,
you know, our differences should be celebrated and our similarities should be appreciated,
and it doesn't matter, Like so what if we have different opinions,
That's good because you might teach me something and I might teach you something.
So it's always good to have different opinions. There was another thing with the
hand scanner, wasn't there as well? Where they actually did Bob he was
talking about this hand scanner that they used to get there to clock in.
Oh yes, yeah, and it measured the hands the bones, like size
and stuff like that. And he was working with a researcher in modern days,
and this researcher managed to actually source a photograph of the device that he
was talking about, and then he managed to actually show him a photo and
capture his reaction live, like as if it was his first reaction to it.
Man, he was so excited. He was like, oh my god,
where did you find this? You know, you you found this?
Like this is the machine I was telling you about, and yeah, you
know, it's it's quite remarkable and you know, it's either a great,
great hoax, you know, and at that point, yeah, you couldn't
even be mad at the guy, like for you know, just a level
of intellect that we needed to pull something that off. It would it would
you know, would poke out massive security flaws in how we process knowledge.
You know. So I think that some people who have taken a media degree
might call it the bullet injection theory mm hmmm, where you're sort of swaying
by propaganda. There's a whole methodology behind how you create convincing like propaganda.
But as we've seen over the last few years with several things, and we
you know, yeah, I think we've had a I think the last four
years, we've had such an influx of propaganda. It's been ridiculous, especially
since these wars have started as well. You know, it's just hard to
know what's what's going on. And you know, you go to Russia today,
you get one side of the story. You go to the BBC,
you get another side. It's just at the end of the day, you
seem like you have to just sort of read read everything and just try and
put it all together and figure out what's fake. And well, the thing
is. I mean, it says a lot to me when they won't even
let us watch our t now Russia today at the TV station. Yeah,
that actually says a lot to me about free speech in this country. Why
would they let us watch Russia today? Yeah, I mean I don't know.
I think they lifted the ban on the website now because on Sky TV
has not been allowed back on there yet. This they will bring it back,
but so yeah, of course I'm forgetting about the website, but of
course not everyone goes to it, do they. You're more likely to watch
a TV station. I know they did take what they did as they blocked
the website from being accessed in this country for a short period of time when
the war first started, and then now you can access it again online.
But that in and of itself is a scary prospect as well. I mean
internet censorship, the ability to be able to do something like that, I
can't. It's not even like a hack, right, You just need access
to the stuff to be able to do it. And there's only like one
organization in the world that has access to the stuff to be able to do
something like that. And it's just scary that these these psychopaths have got access
to that, and they can turn off whoever they want to. I think
the argument was best put by a chap called Aaron Schwartz. You know,
in the future of the internet, it's not about who gets an air wave,
it's about who gets hurt. And this was that was a quote from
maybe fifteen years ago, you know, so tremendous foresight even back then.
But yeah, you know, who is anyone else to tell you what you
can and can't watch, you know, providing it's just not you know,
the absolute depravity of mankind. Yeah, you know, but definitely in the
sort of current events, you know, politics arena, we should definitely be
free to ye what you would to watch. I agree. Yeah, I
think politicians call it optics. They worry about the optics, and unfortunately the
optics involves you or I, our perception would involve the optics. So they
worry about the optics and what we think of them. And this is what
we get when they pander to us, and they are pandering to us.
If you watch any politician on any interview for long enough, you realize they're
just regurgitating the same three lines. It's a shame. You'd like to have
respect for your leaders. But you know, it's unfortunately really soon that he
always says, because it's the right thing to do, the right thing to
do with you to house the homeless. Yeah, I agree, but he's
always saying that is his favorite lawe isn't it because it's the right thing to
do? But yeah, it's all human behavioralism at the end of the day,
And it sure you. Human behavioralism is a very effective and real technology
that's being deployed on a daily basis through all walks of life, designed to
control human perception in order to dictate human behavior. And I guess the moment
that we're aware of it is the moment it stops controlling us. It's done
very very cleverly through various different means, subtle but yet effective and powerful,
and only because people are none none the wiser. But I think that we
really begin to see human behavioralism, you know, rear its ugly head.
During the COVID area they were they were working on a very potent combination of
neurochemistry could even be best described in a human behavioralist experiment called Pavlov's Dog about
fear conditioning and how to condition people and it's quite interesting neuroscience when you get
to the crooks of it, like how to control human behavior with with fear.
If you look at brain scans and you know anything about the sort of
areas of the mind, you see that if you take a brains can of
have someone's mind when they're going through this sort of process of being controlled by
fear, you can see that it starts off in the language center. So
obviously what people are hearing is where it first arises. They're decoding it in
the language center. It's then moving over to the fear center called the amygdala,
which is on the other side of the brain, on the left side.
So we're now, you know, shooting neurons from left from the language
center to the fear center. And then from the amygdala the fear center,
it moves into the olympic system through the hippocampus, which is the memory.
And once it's in the olympic system, which I guess is what David Like
calls the r complex or the reptilian brain, it then gets into our nervous
system and that's our spinal column. And then once electoral signals have been passed
down the spinal column, well then we're moving limbs, you know. So
so he talks about that area of the brain that just reacts and doesn't think.
Well, it's very much applicable in neuroscience and very well demonstrated. Might
I add with with the use of modern brain scans, and you can see
this electrical activity in the brain, and we know it's there because we can
see ions passing through the cells on the scans. So you know, it's
very interesting. And I would say that you know, people there are are
leaders are aware of this. You know, they had a whole team during
COVID they called it stage and they they terrified an entire nation and they've broken
the economy because of it, and now we've got to deal with the repercussions
of that with things like high inflation and various other issues. So, but
you're absolutely right. And the whole reason they want to control human perception is
because they want to control our perception of what's possible. And when I say,
you know, if you want to have these experience, you've got to
put in the work. Well, the work is that they want to control
your perception of what's possible, and you've got to undo what they've done to
in ormers to be able to have those experiences. And I guess as an
adult, that's where you do the real work, because you know, as
a child you're not really a conditioned mind. Yet you haven't been through society,
you haven't been through school, or at least you haven't finished. So
you know when I say putting the work in as an adult, you've effectively
got to recondition your mind almost to be able to understand that an experience like
that is possible, and it leads you in all different topics. Like I
said, part of the problem right now is that we all just have a
degree of information or most professionals have a PhD or a degree, and they
don't put it all together. They don't put all the other degrees together.
And I think that's why David Like is so focused on the doc connector show,
the trap and the dream, and so we should be because that's what
people need to figure out. In my personal opinion, I think it's very
important, and I believe once you change your perception of what's possible, the
world would be very kind to you and you begin to realize that reality stops
happening to you and it begins responding to you almost and it's a refreshing change
to think about things in the morning and then have them happen by the afternoon.
You know, you might think of someone in the morning as you wake
up, and then you might not have heard from that person in a long
time, and then all of a sudden, out of the blue, that
they are messaging you that afternoon. Yeah. I've had to aff several times.
Yeah, it's a real phenomena. I'd say it's a telepathy. We
will have the ability to receive and transmit states of reality, potential states of
reality. Yeah, which, yeah, I guess leads me onto the experience
as an adult, which is the real That was the moment I'd gone from
ghosts to oh dang, how how did how did how did we all miss
this? You know? You know, So that was around the cosmosis sort
of days. And I guess for me, I say, it was really
helpful having friends, and I guess one friend in particular was incredibly helpful.
It was a friend of mine called Dave. And the first time I met
Dave, I worked in finance and I was feeling incredibly underwhelmed by life.
It was incredibly successful, but I was feeling incredibly underwhelmed, and it didn't
sit right with me. And one day I met Dave at a mutual friend's
house and we got on. We got on well to begin with, and
we obviously just wanted to dive into the mystery and have conversations about all that
in life. And and then, you know, during the conversation, we
got onto the topic of you know, aliens as you do, because I
think the older you get, you begin to wonder, you know, you
begin to ponder your own existence, just generally, and you begin to think
about the unknown, maybe in a playfully intellectual way, but you know,
so you have these conversations with people, you know over the years, you
know, oh, what do you reckon? Do you believe aliens are real?
Or you know, or like, what's the maddest thing you've ever seen?
You know, that's a good question I'd like to ask people, and
people will open up to you if you ask them. I've had all sorts
and so, you know, I had this conversation with him. He asked
me, he said, you know, what do you think do you think
aliens are real? I said, I said, I don't know, probably
it's highly likely. And then I said, well, what do you think?
And he goes, oh, I know they're real, and he said
it. He said it so casually and like I could see the truth in
his eyes, and I couldn't dispute him dispute it. So I obviously a
question, and I said, well, whatever do you mean? Dave?
Yes, naturally so, and he says, well, you know, I've
I've had some experiences where I found myself face to face with what would appear
to be quote unquote Aliens. I said, well, isn't that something?
And obviously we were sort of I think we decided we were friends before before
we spoke about that. And then just naturally we'd spend a lot of time
at this mutual friend's house, you know, uh, you know, a
large group of friends we would we would sort of either meet mutual friends and
go somewhere else or you know, so we were always seeing each other.
As what I'm getting at, and so, you know, the years went
by and I began to ask him more and more about what he meant and
try to learn about it and what it all meant. And there's a lot
to it, I'll be honest with you, and it covers a wide range
of things, but it does touch upon telepathy, teleportation, and telekinesis.
It was put to me as the three t's, and you know it was
it was looking at like time and space, you know, the solidity of
reality and things like that. And you know, Dave would tell me more
and more about it and things like that, and you talk about, you
know, love being the only truth and things, and you know, humans
are receiver transmitters to reality and experiences, and we have all these mystic conversations
about profound things and philosophy and and you know, lots of many hours of
conversation to try it for me to try and get my head around this.
And I guess it probably from start to finish that probably took in the region
of four years of just knowing Dave and trying to understand what he was,
what he meant when he was telling me about some of his stories and whatever
else. And it wasn't just one day, oh I had an experienced.
It was a gradual thing. It started with UFOs and so once I was
at a place where I was ready and it wasn't going to send me utterly
insane, should we say, I started seeing UFOs everywhere. And it got
to the point where I thought to myself, this can't all be UFOs.
I must be getting it wrong. I need to learn to debunk these things,
like it must be a space station or something. And excuse me,
I'm feeling a little bit under the weather. And then you know, I
started to myself, I want to I want to debunk the bunk what I'm
seeing. I must must be wrong. And I quickly learned all the things
I needed to learn to get good at debunking things. And I'll be the
first to say if something's not a UFO. But granted they were all UFOs,
it would seem the rate didn't change once I got better at debunking them.
Perhaps I didn't get any better, But I've caught myself a few times
pointing out to other people that that's not actually a craft or whatever, and
it's actually a plane in explaining why to them. So I sort of pride
myself on my ability to debunk a UFO because I'm not interested in something that's
not true. Should we say, no point in it. It's right,
that's absolutely right. So you know, it was a few years of just
heavy UFOs a few years, and and then obviously we went off down to
places like Avebury if you're familiar with it in wheelchair. Yes, I'm going
there actually later this year. Amazing affecting just the next week. Actually,
great stuff. I can't wait to see. I'll look out for the photos.
It's a great place. It's you've got Silbury Hill and you've got West
Kenneth Barrow, which is a bit of a bit of a walk if you're
right with a hill. I'm actually going on a walk with Andrew Collins.
You've heard of him. I have not known Andy Collins. He's written several
books on them. He's actually on ancient is quite often. How is he?
Yeah, if you've ever seen that, I don't. I have no.
I didn't watch it. I worked like a couple and then I never
Really we've got two people. We've got Colin Andrews. So we've got Andrew
Collins. So you don't get the too mixed up sodly did once to an
embarrassing situation, but not me. But yeah, Andy Collins, he's actually
got He's written probably about twenty now. He's put on the show. He's
put on one other show actually several times, well once at least anyway,
but anyway, that's fine, a buy, but so well, yeah,
we will be going, will be going to Avery Opray next week. Actually
I think it is. If anyone you know wants to go, I highly
recommend it. And if you're okay with camping or you know, there's places
to do that, or there's there's bnb's, there's there's there's actually a party
there every year as well on thee Yeah, not this time of year.
It's a bit cold, a bit cold now. Yeah, but you know
you're you'll see crop circles there, no problem. If you go in the
summer, absolutely without a doubt shadow of it out you will see a crop
circle. Yeah, and there's pretty I remember witnessing a crop circle. It
was an apriy and we'd camped up on a hill so we had a good,
good view of the entire landscape. It was on the solstice, so
there was a party going on down by the stone circles. We were camping
over by Silvery Hill, there's a hill just adjacent to it. We were
up top there, so we had a great beard of landscape see every field
for miles. And it was rolling hillside and it was the lightest day of
the year, and it was it was great, right, great time.
And everyone down at the party was a big, big, kooky bit outcast
sort of thing, and great people just have discussions with, you know,
just about the world. A lot of like minded people, I guess.
And yeah, one night we came back from that sort of party, we
were watching the bongos. There was a lot of bongos, like a whole
big thing, thirty people playing bongos. Sam was great, tremendous, especially
with the acoustics around the stones and really tribal feeling, you know. Great.
Yeah, I mean I've had some conversations with about that, and you're
they're all actually got a lot of acoustics attractions to them, haven't they?
These stones? Yeah, No, No, I don't know what it is
about them, but I think there's a lot to do with I think the
ancients know a lot more about tones and all that sort of thing then we
probably realized. I'd say they knew more about simics than what we realize.
Yeah, And I'd say that if we could measure music with music theory,
or we call music music and it is what it is, and I'd say
that simiics is probably the closest thing that we have for a sort of reality
version of music and how that all works. Yeah, it's really intriguing stuff.
So I would say you're absolutely right. And like I say, if
you've ever seen one of these crop cycles actually being made, it's quite profound
how they made. They're made in an instant and it's just a rare thing
to be to actually see it being done, isn't it. Yeah. There
was that one guy though, who managed to film it. And it was
way back in the days of like VHS tape, you know, cameras with
like timestamps and things like that. And I think this guy was from Bristol.
He was a video guy anyway, it was his job, and he'd
gone just to take videos of Avery, and I think he went there and
he was just taking pictures, like video of the landscape, and he actually
caught one of these things being made. And this isn't really in the days
when CGI or computer generated graphics was as readily available as what it is today.
I think back then you'd even really have photoshop, you know. And
he was from Bristol, he was in Avery filming he caught one of these
crop circles being made by these two white balls that came out of the sky.
They seemed to just twirl round and round in a circle adjacent to each
other, and then within a split second, it was like a vibration came
out at the center of it on the crops and formed whatever pattern you know
that made up the crop circle. This guy was obviously dumbfounded with what he
had just witnessed and was what you know, He he knew there was a
pub close by that was renowned for this sort of stuff. Is it the
bargein? I can't. There's like a really well known UFO pub down there,
and I can't quite remember what it's called. I have this on film.
He thought, I'm driving straight there and I'm going to go see if
any of the locals are interested or know what this is or have ever seen
this. So he went there. He went to the pub and he showed
He showed the locals and stuff. This is on his camera. You know,
it's you know, it's not like he's gone away put it on a
USB stick or on his laptop or anything. You don't have that capability back
then. So he's just showing people on his like handheld screen on his camera,
and all the time stamps match up and everything else and then there's obviously
eyewitnesses who were there who have have been interviewed since saying that they were there
that night and things like that, and they all mentioned the time stamp being
in line. It was even one hell of a fake. Like the logistics
involved to fake something like that would have been the guy would have had to
have planned the exact moment that he went into the pub, would have had
to have like drive down there, been there in good time an hour before
just to pull this off, shall we say. You know, although you've
really only got this guy's word for what he filmed, apparently that's how they're
made, but who knows, could be do with boards just as much.
But the one that I witnessed, it was quite an interesting night, shall
we say. Ets popped up. Ets were there when this happened. People
could see them. And one, you know, we've gone back from the
party down by the Stone Circles that night and we've all sort of gone to
our tents and crashed out or began to crash out. And it's quite late,
it's probably early hours of the morning. You know, we were there
that day setting up ten it's the lightest day of the year. We can
still see all of the fields. It's pretty light out even at two in
the morning, and we all get we all get some rest, and you
know, some some people choose to stay up all night. Some people chose
to sort of try and get some rest. And you know, the next
morning at sunrise, not really sunrise, just got a bit lighter, and
lo and behold there's a crop circle, massive crop circle in the field just
next to us. Because we're at a high vantage point, we can see
it. And it's a figure of eight yin yang, so it's two yin
yang in the formation of a figure of eight, and it's got all these
geometric patterns come off of it. It was pretty big. It was huge.
It wasn't there at seven o'clock that evening the night before, but it
was first noticed at roughly five am the next morning, so in less than
twelve hours. Some person would have would have had to have made that at
night. Might add it was light, but I'd probably want a bit more
light if I was making a you know, a geometric pattern like that to
that scale. So it's either a really incredible you know, human ability,
which is art at the end of the day, or like the video tape,
suggests from this chap from Bristol. You know, it's either made one
of two ways. I would say, yeah, that's that's what I've always
said. Then, some of these amazing crop circles that you see to be
done in the pitch dark I mean that they'd be seen what they we're all
great, they had all big bright lights at which they need to be doing
these things. They'd be seen by the farmers. And that is, you
know, because he'd wonder what the hell that big light was in this field?
Yeah, absolutely, absolutely, So when these things appear overnight in pitch
pitch darkness, it just makes you wonder how they get there. And you've
got to really you've got to really think along the alien line, haven't you.
You know that's the that's the way I see it. Yeah, And
actually, you know, crop circles is cimatics, you know, so you
know, if we if you know, if anyone knows anything about cimatics or
you know about somatics, it's something to get into. But it's all geometry.
And if you take three levels or layers of cimatics at different bits with
different geometric patterns on them, it can make up a three dimensional looking object
it's how most of our money's made is made using geometric patterns. Passport pages
all geometric patterns. It's the same principle. And you need this geometry in
order for the holographic universe, in order for it to work. You know,
there are oscillations that are occurring like three trillion times per second. You
know in reality that would have to occur in order to make it seem solid.
So yeah, I mean, however it's made, it's incredible. And
it definitely if you if you ever find yourself near Apriy in the summer when
there's crops, definitely head there for the day because it's a great day out.
There's loads of I think Silvery hel is like the largest ancient man made
earthwork and all of Europe or something. And then they've got the West Kennett
Barrow, and then they've got the Ridgeway, which is the oldest Roman road
in the UK. Great for oh great for seeing UFOs by the way,
you'll see loads of UFOs while you're there. Yeah, tremendous place. And
so yeah, it was, like I said, it was like a you
know, the experience as an adult was a gradual you know, it was
it was one sensational event after the other, should we say? And it
was it was intensifying each time, shall we say? So? You know,
it started with UFOs, it got it got into crop circles a little
bit. Once once I began to develop the knowledge and my I began to
change my perceptions of the possible, these experiences began to intensify, and till
one day it basically just transpired into a face to face experience with these things
or these beings or people or I don't really know what to call them.
I haven't really developed any language around it, and I'm just kind of working
on visual memory and conclusions that I've made. And I'm a deep thinker.
I don't conclude. I don't even really commit to words much without without deeping
thinking about it deeply. So, you know, you hear all these terms
online from people who haven't really had experiences or anything like that. I've heard
all sorts that I think sometimes make you want to cry, like like star
seed and things like that. It's quite quite painful. But you know,
I don't really have too much language around it. I can just go off
what I know in my personal experience, what I experienced, and yeah,
so I guess really, you know, it went from intensifying intensifying until one
day it was just to face to face experience and the first one that I'd
had as an adult since being a child, and it was undeniable at that
point. And that experience was that that that shook me up for for reasons
that probably weren't obvious at the time. Yeah, but it's a real it's
all really interesting the psychology behind it. It almost confirmed that well most of
you, most of everything that we know or that you've been taught in school
or anything like that was was basically a lie or wrong. So it was
a really it was a really vindicating experience for me, and it allowed me
to grow tremendously as a person. And and and that was an experience I
had with another individual, Dave. You remember, so I know you've both
you've both seen exactly the same thing. So it's not something you've been making
up more imasguring you know. Yeah, I guess this is the experience where
it just really becomes undeniable. Right, So there's everything that we've kind of
spoken about so far, there's just become there's just a little bit of you
know, plausible doubt and speculation around it, you know, a lot of
the things that we've we've spoken about, But for me, it was this
experience where it was just obviously undeniable when it's right in front of your face
like that, and other people are there to witness it as well. And
I'll never forget this day ever, ever, ever, ever, ever,
ever, probably never until the day I die and beyond. It was one
of those experiences where I kind of thought to myself, well, yeah,
that's different. You know, you've done something here that most people probably haven't
done. If there was an exception and a rule, I say that you'd
probably the exception. So and it was a lot of hard work, but
I sure you anyone can do it, you know, And I say things
like this, like so brazenly you know that anyone can do it. And
the people probably sat there going what's it all about? You know? But
if we could talk about the history of strange visions for a little bit,
you know, it wasn't so strange, you know, not so long ago
in human history, in the overall grand scheme of things, you know,
living in tribal cultures, you know, and I'm not just talking like well,
Amazon tribes. I mean no, there were tribes and clans in Scotland,
you know, and if you follow the Roman history any you realize that,
you know, the Romans were trying to push out the old religions,
and the old religions were polytheistic in nature, so they weren't monotheistic. They
so they believe in multiple gods or deities. And in the clans and the
tribes, you know, the witch doctor or the visionary was highly highly valued
as an individual whole tribes would act based off of a vision that one person
had, you know, so in our modern society, he has definitely drummed
that out of us. In fact, there are very few roles in society
that require vision, and unfortunately they don't even allow you to be totally creative.
You know, business owners and you know, business leaders need vision.
They need to be able to convince everyone else that their visions in their vision
basically, you know. But yet throughout all walks of life, it's become
that, you know, everyone's role is problem solving. And even if we
look at the you know, the neuroscience of the equation, we know we've
got two hemispheres of the brain. One is responsible for logic and creativity and
never responsible. One is responsible for logic, order, structure and the other
responsible for creativity. So you know, strange visions or creative thinking wasn't so
strange, you know, just probably not even very that, not even that
long ago. And yet you know, we think about our society and our
system. You know, go out, get a job and get money,
and at work, you will solve problems. You will use your intelligence to
solve problems, and you will be rewarded with credits for resolving those problems so
that you have access to the things that you need in society. So if
we're looking at it from like a neuroscience perspective, we are actively being rewarded
for problem solving. We're not being rewarded for having vision in the world.
In fact, that's really stressful like that, like you know, being a
business leader or owner or director is incredibly stressful. Like it's not fun and
there are there are you know, if you're not putting out fires, you
are you know, celebrating you know, the wins that you get and you
know before you're moving on to the next fire. You know, so even
then you can't even really truly be comfortable to have the vision anymore, but
I think just maybe goes a little bit beyond vision. But vision definitely,
you know, helps with perseverance, which is important, which is the drive
that people need to achieve, you know, new realities for themselves, whatever
it may be, if they want to get better at something, get a
new job, get a promotion, or you know, get better at or
get good at a sport or something. You know, people need perseverance and
persistence no matter what it is. And you may have been told growing up
that anything's possible, and that is absolutely true in a lot of respects,
and it's our perception of the possible which which definitely influences what we're able to
decode on a three dimensional level. In my personal experience anyway. But yeah,
I guess the experience I had with Dave started off like any other day
I was. I was visiting Dave. He was doing a bit of camping
at the time. He just got back from he just got back into town,
and he just decided to do a bit of camping. He was camping
on like a a nature reserve close to a housing estate, should we say,
it's a nice area, and you know, he had all the kit
obviously, you know, he's ex soldier or whatever, so fairy prepared.
You know, all the team making facilities and chairs and everything else is pretty
christy. So I just gone to catch up with him, really because he
just got back into town. I think he's been in Wales for a little
while and he's back. So just sat catching up with him, you know,
and then I'd say that I think this is quite an important part because
this is where you you begin to realize that, like, you know,
how your perception of the possible can change. So just handed a cup of
tea, chatting away, and then all of a sudden I noticed on the
tent that the way the shadows of the leaves from the bushes are formed,
it's created a real, the really detailed face to the point where it's just
worth mentioning that there's a shadow formation created by the leaves on the tent.
It's creating this really three dimensional detailed face. Right. So I said to
Dave, who sat at a different angle to me, I said, hey,
took out that face, it's the cod of the leaves of left shadows.
And he goes he's looking at it from a different angle and he said,
oh yeah, that's odd, isn't it. I said, Yeah,
it's pretty odd, isn't it. And you could look at this face on
the tent from any angle and it was it was there still, and it
looked pristine. Didn't matter which angle you looked at, it was still still
still very detailed. And so again just just brush it off as being nature
and being you know, magical, you know, one of them things.
So we just sort of continue talking into the early sort of evening and I
decided I'm just going to sort of maybe stay late, head home a bit
in the early hours of the morning whatever. And so we decided to go
for a walk as it gets dark, go for a SkyWatch, you know,
and got no street lights around and in the nature reserve, that sort
of thing, so we take the opportunity. So we wrap up because it's
probably about September time, and head out for a walk. And all day
that day Dave had been struggling to tell me about a dream, and then
finally, you know, we get we'd go on this walk and he was
able to tell me about this dream. But up until then he keep he
keep remembering this dream, and then he keep forgetting what it was exactly that
he wanted to tell me, and then he just it was. It was
bothering him. He kept struggling with it, and I said, don't worry
about it. Don't worry about it. Anyway, As we finally set off
as our walk, he turns to me and goes, oh, dream,
I remember what I'm meant to tell you now. I said, Okay,
what is it? He goes yeah, he goes, this is where it
happens for you. And he said that, and in that moment I knew
exactly what he meant. I knew that we're about to meet interdimensional beings from
what appears to be a different dimension, and that I was totally cool with
that, because, believe it or not, they don't want to scare you.
From what I've learned, there are good and bad ones, definitely,
but the good ones don't really want to scare you so much. They worry
about you. They care about you. You know, well I'm suppose you
do, know, but like they care about you and they care about everybody
else, so they wouldn't. They would hate for you to be scared by
their existence or presence, which is why you've got to put the work into
sort of get yourself in a place where you feel total peace with the experience
that's about to happen, and you don't feel fear. Now, most people
will say, just like I did before i'd had an experience, Yeah,
I'd love to meet aliens, like bring it on, I'm ready. It's
like, no, you're really not ready. Like if you were ready,
it would have bel it would be happening. It would happen, but you're
not ready. It takes it takes work, and it would actually do more
damage to people who are not ready having that experience than what it would someone
who spent time trying to understand what it is they're about to experience. So
I knew what was about to happen. Dave knew what it was about to
happen. It was all good. We only walked maybe fifty paces up this
wooden this dirt track, and in my peripheral vision, I noticed something and
I don't rush to look at it. I slowly turned my head to the
right, and there is an interdimensional person stood there, maybe ten paces from
me if that. So I turn and I look, and my mind goes
into verification mode. It wants to verify the nature of the reality that I'm
experiencing. So I walk OVID to this thing and I'm stood face to face
with it. I'm just looking at it, like obviously in a state of
not even shocked, just like, oh my god, this is real,
like this is actually real, and that's quite amazing. So now I want
to know what makes this thing real. So with that, I'm stood looking
face to face with her, and all of a sudden, I'm ginnna get
I'm getting those same sort of voices in the head, you know, to
sort of say hey, hey, I'm up here, hello sort of thing.
And I thought to myself, Okay, hello, is that you,
because yeah, it's me, Hello, I'm here. Just just just with
me here, please, So I thought, okay, cool, great,
this is amazing. I'm loving this. So I then I then touched her
on the right shoulder just to check that she's solid, and yeah, she's
solid, definitely solid, definitely there. And and I said, I said
to myself in my head like oh, you're solid, and she goes she
sort of she sort of shivers as if she's got a chill. She sort
of says like yeah, but not as a preference though, so I laughed.
I said, oh, sorry, is that is that because I touched
her on the shoulder. She was like, yeah, don't worry about it
or whatever. So I said, okay. She said, if you want
to verify that I'm real. So I was like, yes, why don't
you go get your friend Dave from down the lane. I sort of turned
and looked, and I thought, oh, yeah, Dave. Where's Dave?
And I said, I don't want to go because I don't know if
you'll be here when I get back. Bearing in mind all of this communication
is going on via telepathy at this point, like there's not been one word
spoken at this point, And I mean, I think that we all have
an area of the brain that's quite capable of communicating like that, which is
why that when you sort of stood in front of someone that's so good at
it, it becomes easier for us to sort of to do. And so
I said, well, what if you're not here? When I didn't say
I just thought it. I said, I thought, what if you're not
here? I want to get back because I'll be here. Don't worry,
like but I didn't really want to go. But again, if we're talking
astral projection and stuff like that, I think I went on a n astraal
level and walked over, but I didn't actually walk over. It's a bit
strange what happens here, but I'm not disputing it. There is one discrepancy
between Dave and I, but it's been thoroughly researched and it's not even sort
of put it this way. It was said in the report that there would
be more discrepancies in some people that were telling the truth foremost, you know,
and had poor recollection of what actually happened. So I thought I went
off to go and get Dave, but Dave maintains that he wandered back over
on his own. And with that Dave was there, and my recollection of
it is I went over to get Dave. He was just stood in the
bushes. I said, Dave, what are you doing in the bushes?
He said, I don't know. I said, you want to come meet
this woman? He said, oh, yeah, no problem, absolutely.
So we walked back the short distance to word this woman was and lo and
behold. Dave acknowledged her. He was the only one to say words during
the whole experience, and he said. All he said was once we approached
her and you could see her, he said, oh, Hi, your
mate, just like that, and then I stood in front of her at
this point, and honestly, I began to start to feel uneasy about what
I was experiencing, not because it was scary. I was beginning to think
about react like society, and that society has either missed this or we've been
lied to, and I, in that moment, began to feel a little
bit uneasy. So I raised my hand and apparently it looked like I was
saluting this thing, and it then disappeared before both of our eyes. And
then Dave approached me and said, what was that about? And because this
was the first time I'd ever had that experience, I wasn't able to tell
him. I said, I don't know, and we just continued on a
walk after that, because I was obviously very shaken, not stirred at that
point, and I didn't really know what I'd obviously knew what i'd seen because
I can explain it, but I didn't know the reality status of what i'd
seen. I didn't know how it disappeared before my eyes. I didn't know
how it was communicating with me with my thoughts. With thoughts, the best
way I can describe that is there's a saying like, oh, I know
what you're going to say based on the look on your face, well,
or like the look on your face does it all sort of thing? Well,
it was like these people had the ability to see the electrochemical electrochemistry of
the brain that creates a thought, and they knew based on the electrochemical nature
of your brain and what was going on in there, or your perception the
thoughts that you were about to have as if they were words, and they
could almost cut you off in that space and interject with the answer. It
was incredibly insightful, and if I could explain it, I felt like humans
are almost like a drunk person in comparison to these things. The level of
intelligence was like nothing I'd ever seen before. Their ability to communicate was the
most efficient thing I've ever seen. Their ability to travel, let me put
it this way, they don't need crafts really Like. I asked them about
that at one point they said, that's more out of respect for your laws
of physics. We don't want to scare you. We can just teleport and
stuff. I was like, okay, And and the thing it really shook
me up the most is that Dave was there and he saw it all,
and he could draw pictures of everything in all the scenes. And that took
me years to get over that. Like I say, get over it,
like come to terms with the with what I'd experienced. It took me a
few years. Yeah, definitely, but it's a really it was a really
great experience. And I would say to anyone that that that you know is
going down that that that path, just keep going and do it. It's
it's well worth it. It's really worth it. It changes you in a
way that you never thought was possible. You you begin to love everyone,
like all people you know, almost regardless of what they've done or their actions
in life. You you love them just for being here with you right now,
almost. And I guess that goes into what David Ike says about,
you know, love being the only truth and all that stuff. So quite
quite a heavy experience, that first one as an adult, and it not
me for six for a few years. But yeah, after that, it's
plain sailing really. So yeah, so really that's your philosophy of life on
the sound of it. As we all know, it's difficult to love some
people, yes, absolutely, I mean, you know, even there are
some I guess there's some people out there that some people might dislike strongly that
they've never met. M that's true, and yeah, I mean it's hard
to it's hard to love. Let's say a politician that feels they have the
right to rule over you. Shall we say, definitely, it's very hard
to show compassion to an individual like that, or even even the king for
example. You know, I mean it's very, very hard to show sympathy
and compassion to someone in that position who feels they have the divine right to
rule over you because of the blood that flows through their veins. I mean,
he must be confused or he's never actually read the definition of a racism.
But you know, yeah, you're right. It's hard. It is
very hard. And there's still times that I curse people, you know there
is, But I would say that after that, I love people a hell
of a lot more than what I did previously. I think the thing is,
at least you're trying to even if you're not always successful, you're trying
to love the monk. That's kind of the important thing about it, and
you understand where you're coming from yourself. It's actually understanding yourself, I think
is a major part of where you start. Yeah, i'd say you hit
the name on the head there, and I so you're absolutely right. Over
the last five years, I've actually just through age, really got to know
myself a lot better. And probably that age in life that I'm at,
sort of mid thirties. But yeah, knowing yourself in life, I'd say
it's half the battle. It's no mean who you are yourself fits that.
That's a that's the major part of what life is all about. Or believe
you know, don't try and be somebody else. Many most people try to
be somebody else. I think, you know, throughout their lives. It's
been their younger years. And you know, we see it all the time,
don't we On lot of the TikTok videos and things like all the young
girls think they're well I wasn't say British speers, but there's a's a bit
old fashioned now, but but you know what I mean, it's they don't
really don't they don't really look within themselves. They're looking without themselves, and
they all trying to look like something they're not, you know, And I'm
not knocking people. That's just just the way people are. It's just I
probably did much the same when I was a young kid. You're a youngster,
you know. But I think we all did. I think we all
project outwards. We all look to learn from the world. So imitation is
the best form or repetition is the best form of learning. So yeah,
the David iBook, you know, drumming it in. You know, I
think the words in society are all very you know, relevant. You know,
that's why we have Acts of Parliament because playing a role in a in
a stage show, and we've all got acts and scripts to you know,
and those acts actually don't mean anything at all because we're actually born free and
we you know, nobody owns you and think they do, but nobody actually
owns you. Yeah, I know. Yeah, it's it's interesting. I
have heard some things, but I've heard there's been some court cases a long
time ago, various different things that it's very confusing. But I think we've
been declared dead and lost at sea. That's great. Yeah, so your
straw you got to find your straw man. Yeah, And you know,
we have a corporation and it's a corpse at the end of the day,
because these are all Latin words and they do it. These people that set
up these institutions. They do it for all walks of life. Right,
here's one where it gets really interesting. You know, we're talking about how
do they like hide these aliens from you, like right before your eyes.
I mean, the mind's very powerful and it works on subliminal messaging and subtle
nuances and tests of ignorance. Right, here's one. Right, So let's
think about the economy just briefly for a moment, right, And if we
look at the economy just as a broad picture. In the economy, we've
got the household, We've got the government, we've got the corporation, and
then we've got the labor market. And then we've obviously got all the different
market markets that are created by the corporation, like the goods and services market
and financial markets and everything else. Right, Well, if you were to
look at that on the flow chart, you know, it's it's got it
looks like an electronical schematic. Actually, if when you've got all the different
bits put there with the household, the government, the corporation, and then
you've got currency that flows all the way around this through the form of purchasing
goods in the markets or taxation through government through wages. People can get paid
through the labor market, they get currency. If you think the whole thing
is being powered by currency. Just like electricity is an electronical current, electric
electrical current, we also have currency that flows through our electronic or electronic circuit
board of our microeconomy, should we say, and you know, this circuit
board has got resistors, it's got capacitors, and you know, I joking
saw an image every day of a circuit board closed up, zoomed and it
looked like a skyline with all the resistors in the capacity a city from the
air as well. Yeah, yeah, And you know, if you if
you get into economics and you you study the macroeconomics of a situation, and
you get into all of that, it becomes very easy to see that it
looks like an electronic piece of circuitry. And then, like I said,
currency flows through that, and currency is subject to resistors and capacitors. Now,
resistors resist the flow of money in a market, just like taxation does
that for example. And then there are capacitors, there are you know,
government aid packages and stuff like that. But we won't get into it.
But then here's when they get really clever. With their words, right,
because you think, well, you know, why does currency? Why is
there loads of different currencies in the world, you know? And you know
because in electrical currency we've got different voltages. And if you think about what
we store money or currency in a bank, we store it in a bank
vault. So although the words are slightly different, I can assure you this
is all about phonetics polar patterns. And I'm a musician and I know a
little bit about this. Right. You get words in the English language called
homophones, right, where it's phonetically the word sounds the same, but it
has a different meaning. So I think an example of this is like no
and no, so like it's the same phonetically that the word sounds the same,
but they have two different meanings. So like no, especially if you
use it in the center rather than just say it like you know, I
know that something is the way it is, or no, that's not true,
Like the two words are different, but yet the phonetically they're exactly the
same. And to these people with a lesser magic in the world, the
phonetics are very important, I think, and it's hard that it's part of
how they test people's ignorance, and then you think, well, why are
we storing currencies involt involts, you know, and why does every nation have
a different you know, vault that it stores its national currency in or whatever.
And because each currency has a different voltage. And then you realize that
every currency has a different value. That's why we have exchange rates, because
even in electricity, you've got to exchange the voltage, you've got to convert
or transform it. They lay these traps everywhere to test how ignorant we all
are. And you know, it allows you know, the square mile in
in London, shall we say which? You know it's likely you know where
where the sort of remnants of the of the British Empire went is in that
square mile, just like you know the Roman Empire went to the Vatican square
mile. And you know, I think over the over the years, it's
just how do we use a different empire to try and to try and farm
people? And I think they were being farmed for our our chakra energy or
what the Buddhists called wheels of light. Yeah, certainly something like that,
ye mm hmm. And after seeing what I saw, and with all of
Dave's help, I would say that that is my conclusion on the matter so
far. To date, I've probably got more experiences to have. Yeah,
well, you're used to a young man, aren't you. You're not old
yet, so I would say you've probably got some more experiences to go.
Yeah, yeah, I hope. So it's been a little while because I
haven't been in the right place mentally. But UFOs and crop circles are just
so, they're just They're fine. I can I can quite happily see them
many day of the week without it really affecting me on a daily basis.
But I think if I was to have another experience, it might I might
need a week off work afterwards, I think, because I'm just going to
want to go to Tesco's and tell Jani's all about it, and she's going
to think I'm a crazy person. I suppose it depends how intense it isn't
it. Yeah, No, it's funny, Like you know, I actually
remember there was a lady that I used to speak to at Tesco's back row
used to live before I'd had the experience, and we used to talk all
about David Ike and She's It was back when like Edge media was on Sky.
Remember edge media. It was like an awaiting channel on sky. It
was. I always speak to her about that, and she was she was
always telling me. She's like, oh, you're definitely going to meet aliens.
I'm like, really, why are you telling me this? She's like,
I can just see it in you. And then that's one of the
first things I did after that experience was David was. I went to Tesco's
and I told her all about it, and she was just astatic. She
was. She was so happy, she was she was I think for her,
she was just like, oh, I was right sort of thing.
And I was like, yeah, you were right. And I told her
all about it, and she was really tough, and I never saw her
again after that. Oh. Strangely enough, it's not the sort of thing
you hear every day, is it. No, No, exactly, But
again, she was just there during the journey when I was times got tough.
Sometimes he was sort of saying, you know, just hanging there,
that sort of thing, just hanging there, and you'd be surprised that there
are people through all walks of life that are probably open to this, you
know, but just don't get a chance to talk about it as much as
they'd like just because life is getting the better of them, you know,
they're too busy, Yeah, or they don't have the help in order to
develop these skills mm. And of course there's lots of worries about all sorts
of other things going on as well to distract you from what you should be
thinking about exactly that. Yeah, it brings your perception right back to where
it needs to be in order for you to create the reality that's been created
now. Yeah. Thanks say, it's been fantastic avenue but on the show,
you know, very interesting. The time has gone so quick it's amazing.
We'll have to do it again sometimes. Thanks for coming on and there's
been great talking to you, and thanks for finding the time, great pleasure.
Thanks for having me all I feel as I say, we will do
it again and it's been great talking to you, and thank you. Thank
you for your time. Take care, thank you, Thanks Phield. Cheers,
take care of yourself. Yeers, God there we are. That was
Phil Graham. Thank you, Phil. Okay for the next show, I've
got two guests for the price of one. Just a few months ago,
I attended a festival. If he had explained, two of the young ladies
that actually run that event, Karen Frey, who's been on the show before,
and Rachel Ashman, so they will be the guests on the next show,
which is on the eleventh of December. Rachel and Karen will be telling
us about the twenty twenty forty event, which I already know is going to
be an amazing event. So I'm really looking forward to that one. I'm
sure there'll be a few giggles along the way with Rachel and Karen knowing them.
Anyway. Apart from that, if you'd like to get in touch with
me at any time, my email address is David Young two q N at
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