Made a decision. Thanks Sunny, So I head. What's up everybody?
It's for Crying Out Loud Special guest show with Michael bean Klin's dad. Great
studio. I mean, we couldn't wait to heat up the mics because we
started already talking. We're so impressed, we're so excited that you're here,
very very honored to have you. Thank God to be here, Thank you,
thank you for having me, Thanks for coming. It was a good
get. Calin Oh, it's not every day that a parent. That's right,
then to do our parenting podcast, Actual parent that's true, that's true.
Do you talk a lot about parenting? I mean it's that mostly what
the podcast is about. Yeah, how how old you have to correct to?
Sixteen? They're going to be seventeen in like a month. Are they
twins? Twins? You have twins too? Are they identical? No?
Boy? Girl? Okay, yeah, I started off with twins. Oh
my god, I couldn't believe it. I was twenty eight and it was
like it was I get hit by a tidal wave. Twins. So you
am helmet. You have five children, five children, three wives, three
wives, and starting what age? Uh? Well, the twins are forty
you have twins two Yeah, we got twins all mine or fifteen going on
the identical they're fraternal. Yeah. Yeah. And then I have a twenty
year old who's over with Gina, his mother in England. Uh, and
he's studying UM theater and uh. And then um, I've got Dashel at
home who is um just turned eight going on fifteen. One of the things
that Um, he's the one who just had a birthday party at David Busters.
He did. Yeah, I told him about that. Yeah. I
actually I listened to a little bit of the podcast of that podcast, so
I heard a little bit about it. I didn't know you were that out
of sorts now you know what I was spinning in circles? Um. Uh.
You know what's Here's the i'd like your opinion on as far as raising
a child these days, is that my son, who is just turning eight,
has has a device, has had a device for a long time,
and you know, we try to keep it out of his hands at these
days when he's going to school. He doesn't get it before school, he
doesn't get it on his way to school, he doesn't get it on his
way home from school. He doesn't get it until he does his homework.
But when there's nothing else going on, you know, he gets it.
And when we travel, he travels with us, and his knowledge of the
world and what is going on is just astonishingly to me, you know,
as compared to when I was eight. When I was eight, I hardly
knew anything. And I you know, I hear people, I hear the
discussions about devices and how much should they be on, how much shouldn't they
be on? And you know, I have a hard time arguing. And
by the way, if there's something else for him to do, if he's
got friends over, if there's a party, if there's a game going on,
if there's something else for him to do, he'll do it. He'd
rather like hang out with friends and stuff like that than the end of his
device. But it seems so educational to me, And I was just wondering
what your what your opinion was as far as devices go. You must have
talked about this a lot on this on the show. Actually we haven't really
talked. I mean, our kids are older now, but I remember when
my kids were going up, my son was was addicted to the device.
But it sounds to me like you have it, you know, very under
control. But I mean they're right like when we were growing up, we
had what the encyclopedias, you know, nothing, you know and then and
and I do think that there's like a lot of I think that there's a
lot of good that. I mean, it could come from it if you
have it, I think restrictions. I don't know, what do you think,
Stephanie. I mean, my kids all got I think a phone is
really important for them to have, by the but but my kids didn't get
a phone until middle school, but they all got an iPad by eight.
Yeah. Yeah, right, that's what he has. Uh well, no,
he's got a phone and an iPad and yeah, and he's got the
PlayStation right and yeah, you know he's got everything. Yeah, and uh
uh it's it's it's odd for me to tell him, you know, you
can't be on your phone all the time when he looks around and everybody's on
their phone all the time, right, I mean he just texted to him,
text them get off the phone. Now. It's true, it's true.
But it does sound like you have it under control, like you know,
I guess if you're if you're monitoring it. Does he have restrictions?
And all that. Well, we have restrictions and you know, since we
can't beat our children anymore like they did when I was young. Um,
you know, that is a very good device to like, you can't.
As a matter of fact, he's not able to use his device right now
while I'm here because we had a big argument over homework. It was back
from spring break, you know, and he's kind of like, right crazy
you see a little bit and like I don't you know, and landsime,
all right, well, you know, there goes your device until I get
back. So it's used. I use it in that's since uh uh and
uh but uh it's it's you know what else I noticed. I've realized that
for the first time since I was twenty eight in about eight years, it
would be the very first time since I was twenty eight years old that I
won't be responsible for a child, won't have a child like around underneath,
taking care of, looking after, being responsible for And I don't really I
have no idea how I'm going to handle it. I've told I've told Kaylin
this before. One of the saddest times in my life because Kaitlin and I
were used to hang out Studio City when from here. We used to hang
out and just he had to hang out with me because I had the money
and I had a car. Yeah, I had a cool job. Yeah
and yeah, and um, you know, but I you know, he
couldn't as all children, they can't can't live without that. But when he
turned about, um, fifteen or show, he went to work at the
coffee bee. That's right, and fifteen or sixteen. I didn't realize it
was that young. Yeah. Wow, so funny giving your last name,
by the way, I had Yeah, yeah, my last name is being
and one of my co workers was named his last name was Starbuck. No
are you kidding? Oh wow? How did he get the job? Was
the wrong place to be an actor? I was just it was just random
that So, so you did, Michael, did you encourage him to get
the job at that age, like, because I have sixteen year olds and
as time they start working, and you, I mean, like my daughter
has a job, her daughter has a job. Well, I remember that.
Essentially, I was just playing way too many video games, Like I
would just spend all day playing video games, and I think that and Mom
realized that and they just kind of came in one day and was like you
need to get a job. Where do you want to work? And I
said, I want to work at either Coffee Bean or Blockbuster. They said,
well, Blockbuster, you can't you're not old enough, So go get
a job at Coffee Being. And then I just started working at Coffee Bean,
and I wanted to work there because I liked their vanilla I splendid so
much. And then two months into working there, they changed how the formula
of it and I couldn't. It was gross. I didn't want to drink
it anymore. You couldn't ask for the recipe. I would. I would
get like the packs of it. They would still sell them like in store,
so I would. I would find the packs and hoard the packs.
And yeah, three years I was trying to get that original. So do
you remember that? Did you tell him to get a job because he didn't
played too many video games? I don't remake. You know, I've always
been what I would call a kind of mellow uh, kind of a liberalish,
you know parent. I'm not you know, I'm not. Yeah,
I'm not a hardcore about stuff. I probably said to him, you know,
like, dude, why don't you go and get a job. Man?
He makes you make some money. And by that time he was getting
to the age where money helped. When I would take him to someplace and
drop him off, and you know, he wouldn't have to ask for me
if he had twenty or forty dollars and went a long ways back then,
and he went to work at the coffee Being. And the thing I'm I
love. I love a lot of things about Kaylin, but one of the
things about Kaylin is he's got like an incredible work ethic. Thank and it
started now, it started at the coffee being. Yeah, and this is
a young man now, but a kid who I never ever once remember him
going like me, like going, come on, get up, you gotta
go, you gotta go to work. You know, I never I never
remember him missing work. I never remember him bitching about work, and um,
he would take other people's shifts and that sort of stuff. Yeah,
developed that work ethic. And I think that that work ethic is you know,
probably what Adam saw too, you know, I mean that's that he
sidn't it very very important thing. I agree Adam saw it. But I
mean back then, I remember we were, you know, hiring young guys
to work at the studio, and Klin had the most sincere, you know,
very honest, and Ernest wanted to learn not just wanted to run ay,
but wanted to learn other stuff that was going on a studio. And
because of that work ethic he had, I was like, this guy,
you know, we we can't lose him. You know, he's great,
he's a hard worker. And so he came on. And then we had
an other We had another producer producing our show very early on, and he
hadn't I don't know if you know this, but then he had to leave
and go do other shows, and Kaylin was next in line. And then
uh yeah, although I didn't know his name for a while, I couldn't
remember his name. Yes, that was our nickname for him. And then
when we really learned his name was Kaylin, we're like, we'll stick with
Brandon because we thought Brandon because he had like that TV movie star kind of
look, you know, like and when we were talking about like celebrities that
are kind of look like him, and I don't know why we came up
with Brandon, but yeah, yeah, and now you think he looks like
the guy from Yellowstone? Yes, you watch Yellowstone? Now, Okay,
he looks just like and he's a very good looking actor. He looks just
like the main one of the main guys. Not you have you ever worked
with Kevin Costner? No, I never met Kevin. Uh. I respect
him though, you know. Um, but just just to finish the story
with him, is that. Um, so he got to be you know,
he's like fifteen sixteen. He got the job, and then he got
his driver's license. First his permit of course, then he got his driver's
license. And there was a time at that when that happened where he had
money, he had a car, and it was see a day later,
Dad, can I can I have them keys? And it was one of
the most emotionally difficult times in my life where I lost like kind of my
buddy, you know, and and and it was really really, really really
difficult for me when when that happened. But it's kind of a rite of
passage. Of course he's going to do that, so it's a better sweet
So yeah, if he's not doing that, then he's not normal. But
at the same time, that's yeah, And so I'm worried about like when
Dashel, my youngest becomes six or so, Yeah, which is not going
to be too long. Um, and what man, I've been I'll be
an empty nester, like for the first time since I was twenty, like
I said, twenty eight. Yeah, so that'll be crazy. We'll see.
What where were the twins raised here out here out of the valley and
the valley Yeah, yeah, Woodland Hills. Yeah, and they went to
uh shamanon On High School and then they went up San Luis Obispo went to
college in San Luis Obispo. They're both still in the area. What cal
Poly slow yep, yep. And uh. Luckily all of my children except
for Alex, who I see quite often. We were together at Christmas time,
Um, are all in the Los Angeles area. That still Yeah,
that's really nice. Yeah. So your two oldest children went to college.
Yes, kayl you went to I went to community community college and dropped out.
Yeah, because I didn't go to college at all. Yeah, I
didn't either. I did go to community college and dropped out as well.
I tell people that I went to University of Arizona from nineteen seventy four until
nineteen seventy four. Yeah. No, I was like, I've always been
a bit of a party animal. So yeah, tell us about that.
I mean, so you went to college, how did you How did you
end up acting? Uh? Well, I uh, I did some theater
when I was a kid. And when I went to college and I was
I was the boring story, so I won't go into it. But I
was on the drama scholarship, so they're paying for tuition and books. At
that time, it wasn't a couple of thousand dollars. Now I think it
would probably be quite a bit. But so I went. I just I
like girls and I like I like party, and that's what I did when
I got there. So I didn't do well in school. I didn't like
the courses I was taking. They wouldn't let freshmen on stage, and so
I just called my folks and I said, like, this is not for
me, um, I want to go out to la and and and try
to be an actor. And I kind of did it because I was kind
of failing. My mother was a doctor, my father's a lawyer, my
brother was in law school. And so coming back to the small town as
the kid who's kind of had to drop out of school and was failing in
school, didn't you know, didn't sit well with me. So it was
more like I made a preemptive decision, Oh, I'm going to go over
to LA and I kind of thought my mind, I could go over there.
For ten years, nobody's ever successful, you know as an actor,
and you know, kind of give it a whirl. And then, um,
because I was so cute back back when I was seventeen or eighteen,
nineteen twenty, UM, I started picking up people that were interested in me
working, you know, I started um um I always uh basically, if
it wasn't for the gay community, UM, I'm not sure where my career
would be right now. Everybody in the industry, everybody that's really ever helped
me, um get ahead when I was young, when I was you know,
like I got over there. It's like nineteen twenty twenty one, twenty
two. All my managers, all the photographers, people I work with,
like her Brits and um all all all the manager my agent Ed Lamotto,
who ended up handling uh Mel Gibson and uh Denzel and and uh uh all
sorts of great people, um uh gay and um uh you know, UM,
I didn't bend that way, but I people they just like to have
me around, you know, once they kind of you know, and they
they were very helpful. The very first movie, the very very first big
movie that I that was called The Fan, and that was produced by a
guy named Robert Stigwood. All Right, Robert Stigwood was the BGS and Saturday
Night Fever. He dine with Travolta, so he was gay. That the
guy that directed the movie as Wars who was saying, was gay. The
guy who did the contract for me ed La Motto was gay. The casting
director was gay. Kevin m I think his name was Kevin McCormick, who
produced the movie, was gay. And I just had a lot of um
uh, there used to be something back in the day they called the game
Offia guys like Geffen and you know, they're really some powerful people, and
you know they just like had my first television agent at William Morris, Jack
Rosepart was gay. And uh, I don't think I'm outing him. Years
started meeting, Yeah, I did. And that's what I That's what I
tell people when they're when they're first starting out. I said, you know,
you should try to either go to college like uh Alex is doing right
now, surround yourself with other people that want that want to do the same
thing. That you're doing, and if you surround yourself with other people that
want to do the same thing that you're doing. And that's kind of how
I got my Screen Actors Guild card because a friend was in class and he
was going up for a commercial, so I kind of tagged along with him
and I ended up getting the commercial. And uh, well, you know
that's there have been so many Um. I if somebody had told me when
I was twenty that I could be a male model, which I did do
some modeling, not runway modeling, not real but whatever they call it,
magazine or yeah, you know what I'm talking about, Matt magazine and you
opened it up and you see a picture of something not not run Yeah,
something like that. And um if somebody had said, well, you can
make one hundred thousand dollars a year to do that for the rest of your
life, I would have been like, oh my god done. I would
have sold my soul for that and things you know, just worked in my
favor, but I did. I did go to an acting coach by the
name of Vincent Chase, and of course we never really figured out Gaze,
I mean his sexuality. He always claimed he was a sexual he liked.
He liked a lot of boys. What was The Fan with Robert de Niro?
No, The Fan, the very first movie that The Fan. There
were two movies called The Fan. You're right that DeNiro did one afterwards.
Um. This one was with Lauren bacall So I worked with Lauren bacall I
was based on a novel. I played the Fan. I played a guy
was who was psychologically messed up and was like kind of on the hunt for
her, kind of a John Lennon type of situation. So. Um,
there was some great great um actors in it. Hector Alexander was in it.
Uh. I want to say Marine Stapleton was Marine? Is it Marine
Stapleton? Who was on Marine Stapleton was? Okay, No, it's the
other Stapleton Academy. Yeah, I mean she had just gotten on the boat,
come over from doing reds Uh. Like I said, Stigwood was producing.
It was New York City. It was my first time in New York
City. It was like twenty one or twenty two. Well. Uh,
I auditioned for a casting director and then I went in and they put me
on tape and um, um, they just they liked me from the very
beginning. It was. It was actually cast by a director named Warris Hussain
and I don't know Worris's credits anymore. But um, while we were in
pre production and a movie came out called Dressed to Kill Brian to Palmer movie.
Yeah, and Dressed to Kill was like a real slasher movie. And
we went from this kind of uh, psychological drama into this slasher movie which
Laura McCall wasn't really very very happy with. James Garner was in it,
there was a lot of a lot of fun people in it, and um
uh and it really wasn't a very good movie. And uh, but it
was a big deal when we were making it, and it was I was
I was like, it was a big deal for me. It seemed like
a big deal, you know. So that was that was. That was
my first real big experience doing a movie. And it did very poorly.
Lauren McCall, she seemed like a very unhappy person were working together. I
kind of figured it maybe it might have been because she was like working around,
you know, people like Bogart and um, just so many um they
had they had a group of people that they hung out with and and they
were all like incredibly talented people, and I don't I'm not sure that she
I'm not sure that she really had the talent the rest of them have it.
If you look at if you think about Lauren Boccall, everybody knows her.
Yeah, like what's Lauren Boccall's best performance? Yeah? Yeah, for
three right, you know, But and she just she didn't she didn't seem
very happy. Yeah, she was not a very happy person. But had
I had a great time doing it, and um um, So then you
were bit by that. You were ready to like get get to the next
role, next part. Like what when you I mean, you've been in
such a huge, big movies, blockbusters. Yeah, well what was the
first one? Well, you know, it all depends on what you consider
a blockbuster. I mean the movie that I did that was probably the most
successful movie looking back on it thirty years ago. It was The Terminator,
the very first Terminator, and Arnold played the bad guy and I played the
good guy. And it was the first of the five Terminators that they did.
But the time of The Terminator came out, people didn't realize. I
mean some people did, people who worked at studios and stuff and hired Jim
to do Aliens, which was my next picture, Jim, they knew.
But that movie was made for six million dollars. It made about forty five
million dollars, which was pretty good, but not in the top. It
was right around twenty fourth or twenty fifth box office that year, So it
wasn't The original Terminator was twenty fourth box office of that year, So it
wasn't this massive hit that people think of it. And people weren't, you
know, Oh my god, we gotta get Michael Bean, We gotta get
Michael Bean. They wanted Arnold Schwarzenegger. Arnold went on to do Predator and
then Twins and he became a big star. But and the same with Linda
Hamilton. Nobody was like pounding down the door to get Linda Hamilton. But
that you know, I had done when I did when I did that movie,
Jim Cameron had done nothing. He had done a movie called Prona,
to which he had been fired from and did not get credit. I did
not get credit for directing. And Arnold had only done the first Conan the
Barbarian, and Linda hadn't done very much. And Stan Winston, who was
a special effects genius who went on to win like numerous numerous Academy Awards with
Jim and Spielberg and Jurassic Park and all that kind of stuff. Sadly he's
no longer with us. He was a wonderful guy. Remember, Oh,
yeah, do you met him? Yeah, took to the studio and I
know his son, that Winston who's married to a friend of mine named Amy
Winston. Yeah. Wow, Yeah. I took a daughter, Georgia as
the same exact age as Elbie. I took a buddy of mine that I
was in school with, and uh who also was kind of business connected,
right, No, not really, he was not wishing. He's the son
of his parents are teachers. When we went to the stan Winston studio,
it was that wasn't who did you go to? Who'd you take to the
stan Winston? His name is David. Oh you're thinking of your thinking of
Tim who I took to? Uh? Does? Tarantino said? Okay,
we went with him and his dad was a producer on Terminator. Yeah I
believe, Yeah, that's what you're thinking of. Yeah, but the stan
Winston one, Yeah, we went there and he was very scared of the
face huggers, the aliens, the face Huggers and uh so, yeah,
I was just messing with him with after that happened, and I remember like
looking at it and there was something like behind a curtain like you weren't allowed
to see it, like, oh, you can't see this, and I
think it ended up being that movie Ai. It was not Osmond. It
was like he was doing yeah, but he was like that secret you can't
look at that. And I peeked at it and I saw some of the
some of the robot. Did you ever want to go work on the set
with your dad? Oh? Yeah, I I so. For senior year
high school, my school did this thing where it was like Okay, two
weeks, do whatever you want, and it's like a senior project, do
whatever you want, and then just report on it like that's your homework.
You can do whatever, like anything. One of my friends like learned jiu
jitsu that I went up to Canada and was a PA on a movie that
he did called The Divide, which is actually a pretty good movie. I'm
I'm surprised that that movie doesn't get into I don't see it on streaming anywhere
because it's it's a horror, right, really messed up, right kind of
movie. But it was fun. So you were so you got were you
a paid intern or no, it was just for yours. It was just
from my school. But so then yeah, so that's when I started being
a production assist, which I did. Uh. I did a couple more
movies after that, um an ad that worked with my dad. I think
on the movie that Brian Yep, Brian. He started hiring me for production
jobs and I was doing that, you know, while I was working a
coffee being while I was going to Santa Monica. So yeah, I did.
I did like working on set, very tiring though after really did you
like? Maybe? I mean, you could have joined the Teamsters Union like
yeah, and we ended up with you, thank god, but you could
have ended up a Teamster exactly. Now. I love being on sets.
It's super fun. One of the best experiences that Klin had was I did
a movie called Grindhouse. Yeah, and that movie, uh was a double
feature and Robert Rodriguez, who's an immensely immensely challenged genius of a filmmaker,
and Quentin Tarantino, uh decided to make like an old fashioned double feature that
would go into and there was like right, rob Zombie and some other guys
did like upcoming attractions in between, and so he got to hang out with
Robert and Quinton, who both of them are like, they just love films
so much and they just enjoy it so much and they're so right, so
fun to be around and just so creative and uh, you know, um,
people ask me a lot about Jim Cameron and you know, oh,
it's difficultness and that, and I don't I've always really loved working with him.
But he's really focused and he really really is focused all the time.
And it seems to me that Robert and Quintin they just seem to have more
fun. They just seem like, you what, yeah, look at,
I'm getting to do what I've always wanted to do. And uh and we
shot at in Austin, Texas, and so that was kind of fun.
That's fun. Yeah, this is all interesting because I mean, my son
is sixteen, he's gonna be seventeen. He loves film, loves it,
and I'm encouraging him to go to college and he's he wants to go to
college, maybe to film. I don't know, Like, I don't know
what to like. Like this kid, her kid watches all three movie a
year in the twenties and thirties. Yea, like just watched a German movie
that was you know, like eighty years old. Um killing in the name
of it. But yeah, he's really a thing. Yeah, he's just
a film. Yeah, yeah, he's a film. And so like I'm
just trying to guide him in the right direction right now, Like he's thinking,
you know, what's what's he gonna do after high school? You know,
Um, does he know? Does he want to be in the entertainment
business? Does he want to be a writer? Does he want to be
a director? Does he want to be an actor? I think he likes
the directing aspect of it, but I mean, you know, he's sixteen.
I asked him. He knows he wants to be in the entertainment but
he doesn't know. Like, you know, he also has a podcast where
he talks sports. He's a big sports prodigy too. I mean, knows
everything about NBA and NFL. Every week he does his podcasts bench Warmers on
iTunes and so, you know, so maybe broadcasting, I don't know.
But it's just interesting when you talk about the director how much they love their
job, and well, you know, creativity the best thing to be,
and there are very few of them are writer directors. So you get somebody
like Quentin Tarantino or Jim Cameron who write their own material and then direct their
own material, and they have total control. If you're a director, you
don't have quite as much control. But you know, I, you know,
I look at at at Kaitlin and think of him as being in the
business, you know, just because a podcast, podcasting wasn't around when I,
you know, when I was younger, and I'm at these days and
I, you know, my mother and father would strike me, well,
my mom's still here. She but I'm a little bit wary about college for
people that are interested in the entertainment business because what happens is while you're away
at college learning the history of theater and stagecraft building and an acting class,
there are other people that are working, that are going out, that are
interviewing, and they're spending those four years if you don't even if you don't
go to graduate school, those four years they're spending ingratiating themselves into to meet
people, know, people doing podcasts, you know, and you know,
you can do a podcast and then you can meet a producer who goes Hey,
I like your star, why don't you come work for you know,
and to me surrounding yourself when you go to college, you know. And
I I I'm just a layo wary. I'm a little wary about education period
because you know, these days, like my son, they're teaching him how
like A B C. And he doesn't do them very well. And I'm
like, he's never gonna be writing. He's never got a use of pencil,
same with spelling, same with like papers. Now they've got analytics that
not analytics, but the chat, the chat butts chat, GPT yeah,
yeah, stuff that'll basically write your write your stuff for you. And I
think the most important when I tell people, young people and ask me,
you know what's and I'm old school. When I started there was ABC,
CBS, NBC, yes period yeah and three to get up you had to
go turn click that channel. Yeah yeah, and um. But what I
say to people now, what I think is most most important right now is
just and and I'm starting to call what I what I did. I was
over in Australia last year and I did did I do a movie? I
don't know if it's going to be a movie. It was it's gonna be
on TV. I don't know it's content, right, And then I was
over in um Thailand last year. Get a piece of content content, I
don't. Maybe it's gonna end up on the Paramount channel. Maybe I don't.
I'm not really sure. So to me, if you are, if
you are creative creating content, even if it's TikTok videos, even if you
get TikTok videos, you get people got like twenty million people watching their TikTok
videos and they got their you know guys who you know who they are,
Klin, These guys who basically we'll find stuff on the internet, put it
up, make fun of it, and they've got you know, millions of
followers, and it's it's it's a different you know, It's just it's just
a different um uh. You know what technology has done. You know the
word film, the Ford film. There's no such thing as film anymore,
you know, movies. I don't. I don't know how much longer movie
theaters are going to be around it, Yeah, I don't think very long.
So you know, to me, if you have a son or a
daughter, or a niece or a nephew or what, I'm sorry you know
that's interested. You know, I'd have them in it right now, Like,
yeah, create some content now, like see how many followers you can
get, how many people's eyes can you get on the content that you make?
And if you're spending four years at college, and I think college,
especially when it comes to creative arts and film, is kind of behind the
times, you know, well, regular schools behind the times. Like you
just said about your kid. It's like I hear the thing that I like
about when I hear about my high schoolers. So I have an older daughter
who's eighteen, who's a senior going to college next year maybe, But my
younger ones, when they tell me the stuff they're doing, it's a little
more creative maybe than it used to be. And it does give them that
foundation of being able to write a paper. But I come from a different
world too, Like I started as a stand up and then I became I
was self taught, you know. I wrote a book after I had kids,
a comedy book, Like I taught myself comedy from studying in back in
high school, I would sneak into comedy clubs with my friends and go watch
and then I came out and I was like that's what I want to do.
And then I took improv and then I you know, all those things.
I wouldn't have learned that in college, none of it. How were
you then, like eighteen nineteen? Yeah, I moved to LA when I
was eighteen. Yeah, okay myself, and then I started. I started
doing improv at a really young age. I just started trying to figure it
out. You know. I started stand up at like twenty two because I
was scared. Yeah, that young that was terrified of it. Well,
I'd be terrified of that too, I mean, you know. And but
um, that's you know, kind of where your career has taken you or
how your career got started. It's the more the way that I see things
happening. And there's also a lot of actors, a lot of actors that
you don't realize, like Leonardo Dicaffrey, he's been doing it since he was
five, you know, um uh yeah, a lot of them. A
lot of people that you just think, oh, they're you know, like
overnight success. Yeah, they've been doing it a long long time. But
you know, these days when it comes to having an agent and doing all
that stuff again, you know, I'm just not sure, there's I'm just
not sure how important um um colleges and and like I like, you know,
and even if you have a degree, let's see you get a degree
business. You know, you're definitely gonna have to get your masters before you
really start, you know. And uh, how how did Adam? How
did Adam start? What did he just come and come out? He he
he grew up out here, but he he got a late start. When
he was he went to improv, but in his early thirties he just doing
local radio kay rock yeah okay, and then did that for ten years and
then got on KLSX and then went to podcast. Now and he's he and
I are, you know, we're different. I want the kids to go
to college just because I didn't get that experience. But he's like, figured
out what you want to do and go to work. Well, there's a
lot to be said about college. Let's just say the other side of it.
For a lot of people don't want to necessarily be an entertainment and I
think it's healthy for kids to get that background of being around. As you
said before, a lot of people who are exploring a lot of things like
these days, if you you know, like I told my daughter, you
can take a lot of different classes, even if she goes to community college.
You know, take scriptwriting classes, take this, take that, take
psychology, take and figure out what you're interested in without being thrown into the
world. Not you know, like I waited tables till I was twenty eight,
and that was a real fun. Yeah. Well, and I don't
wish that on anybody, to like struggle for that long. And I feel
like college can give you at least a little bit connections other people who are
doing what you're doing, some kind of training before you go out into the
world. I don't know, Yeah, and I I I understand that what
I'm only speak speaking specifically about. I mean, you're not gonna, you
know, go be a you know, like learn how to build uh spaceships
right like like by by not going to complish I mean, you know,
you're not going to be an engineer by not. But I'm just talking about
though, if you're Kim kardash Well, you could be a lawyer if you
can pass to barge. You don't even have to go to law don't have
to go to law school. But totally into that. I come from the
family of lawyers. And uh um I they go to law school. Yeah,
they went to and you know college. I think also it is very
important just in the fact that, like, you know, if you do
it right, you show up, you know, you have a certain amount
of classes, you show up, you do the work, you get it
done. It's not like maybe even you're learning that much, but you're learning
these kind of habits ye carry on through life that like Okay, if I
got a class at eight o'clock, I'm going to be there at ten to
to make sure, you know. So that that I think is very important
for people who aren't quitters like us. I don't. Yeah, I don't.
I yeah, I quit. Have you ever quit a movie? No,
that's not you're not allowed to quit a movie or not. Have you
ever gotten fired? Uh? I had a very very bizarre experience happened to
me when I was in Russia, which is yeah, which yeah, yeah,
they did. They I didn't like them, they didn't like me,
kind of that was kind of a mutual, a mutual, a mutual um
they didn't you know, they spoke Russian and I worked through interpreters. But
over there, over in Europe especially but especially in Russia, like the director
is the God? You know? Was our movie. Yeah, and it
never got made because you know, we worked on it for about a month
and just like I went my way and they went their way and they just
never finished it and they lost some But you like, really, didn't you
study to be a Navy steal at one point? No, that I could
never. I'd be lucky if I make it through boot camp. I just
read that. Yeah, but don't read everything, don't. But you did
do a navy seal? I did very well. The very first Navy seal
I played was in The Abyss, which was to Cambridge movie. I love
that movie. Yeah, I played U right. I think it came out
eighty eight but close enough. Yeah, very good. That's good. Uh
yeah that came out yeah, yeah, So that was very first seal.
Then I played and then um, well I did Navy Seals, which was
a really terrible movie that I really had a hard time with. Um And
then I played a seal in The Rock and the movie. Yeah, The
Rock I was working with Sean Connery. Sean was all right, Sean was
all right. You know, people, you people kind of warned me,
the producers warned me, Well, it was Jerry Bruckheimer and Don Simpson and
uh, which is Jerry Bruckheimer is one of the most successful producers of all
time in this industry. Um. And I got to spend a little bit
of time with Don Simpson before he died in that set. Um. But
Sean Wash, he's not the person never gonna listen. No, No,
he's not not No, I don't know, Sean. He just I'm just
trying to describe that. He's just justn't somebody that you will go, hey,
Sean, how you doing? What's going on? She would you do
last night? Hey? What did your football team? You know, he's
kind of it was like when I worked with Georgie Scott, and Georgie Scott
was like he was like a ball of you know if you kind of the
same way. Same with with working with Cameron. You know, if you
don't have something important to say, you don't have something that is relevant to
the to the situation. UM, don't think you're gonna go up joking around,
right, So you can't get him on our podcast. But I you
know, I have always gotten along really really well with everybody that I've worked
with. I get I like everybody. Yeah, there's a lot of people
that don't like me so much. Maybe, and I might I know who
some of them are, but I used to be. I used to who
anybody famous? Uh No, not really. The thing about the thing about
working on movies is it's it's like it's a collaborative effort. It's like being
on a football team. Everybody goes in, they got a game plan.
Everybody wants to do a good job. There might be a hot dog wide
receiver, there might be a quarterback who's disgruntled, there might be this and
that, but everybody really kind of wants the same thing. And people work
in different ways. People have different processes when when they're making movies, and
but everybody really wants the movie to be good. And it's very very rare
that you find somebody that is um um so uh. You know that it's
difficult, difficult, that that it's hard in the movie. That's not to
say that that doesn't happen. And you'll see you can talk to a lot
of directors about certain actors or they just say, you know, never work
with that person again because they made it so difficult. But that actor at
the same time, you know, I've been difficult. It's just because what
they were doing was was not They weren't trying right, they weren't doing it
the right way. And so I I love what I do. I always
loved what I've done, and I've said to Klin and I say to all
of my children, whether they whether the children go to school or not.
I think one of the most important things about a life is if you can
find something that you really love doing, stand up and you can make a
living doing that. You know, I tell all my boys, don't get
married, don't have any kids for a while. You know, Calin didn't
listen to me. But if you can find and I did, you know,
I found something I love going to It's hard work, you know,
it's twelve hour day. It's hard work. Love going to work and passionate
and I care about it and I wanted to be good. And yes there's
some highs and lows and whatever, but I love doing it. And whether
you're a painter or whether you're an architect or whether you're a plumber, you
know, if you if you love what you're doing and you look forward to
going to work and you can make a living doing it, I think by
far it's one of the most important things. I love that. Yeah,
that's such well, it's good advice for us since we've got teenagers there,
you know, we're going to be sending out into the world soon. Here's
another thing. When I was a teenager, you were expected to kind of
go to college or not at eighteen, get a trade, be a mechanic
or dish, a cook or something like that. By the time you were
twenty two, you were expected to kind of know what you were supposed to
do back when when I was young, when you got out of college,
Okay, I'm gonna go be a lawyer. Okay, I'm gonna go be
a business man. Okay, I'm gonna go do this. I'm gonna do
that these days. And I've told Kaylen this before. Do you get thirty,
man, your baby, if you got you got ten, you know
you got you know, people are living to be a hundred. You make
up your mind what you really want to do when you're forty. Now he's
got some responsibilities, now, beautiful responsibilities. And he's got a wonderful wife
and love Amy so much, and and and and and the grandchildren and everything.
But you know, I don't think children need to and Alex kind of
has this thing where he wants to decide, you know. He kind of
likes being a first responder too. He works in a place which is a
little bit like, uh uh what It's called Thorpe Park, but it's a
bit like Disneyland, So if somebody drops, he's the first one there to
kind of figure out whether they need an ambulance and stuff. And he likes
that. He likes the thrill of doing that, so he might end up.
But I don't think kids have to make up their mind when they're in
their early twenties or mid twenties or even late twenties, like like what what's
you know? You know. I think this is the problem with college right
now, though that's changed. It fluctuates, you know through the years from
when I was a kid, you could you could just do liberal arts.
You could just you know, you undeclared liberal arts. They make these kids
declare a major really early. They have to know what they want to do.
They have to apply to college. I mean, the some of these
kids are seventeen years old applying to college, like they should fully know exactly
what they want to do. I know, I changed my mind like eight
times. Yeah, yeah, I mean literally change my mind after working,
Like I want to do stand up Wait no, I want to be or
I want to write on I want to be a TV writer. Wait no,
I want to be an author. Wait no, I want to and
I've I've done a lot of those things. But like you know, you
also have to be able to pivot. You have to have many things that
kind of make you happy. And you know, I agree. I mean
I can understand wanting to be in a certain field, like the entertainment business,
but there are thousands of jobs. I mean, sound alone, camera
department, um uh, lighting, grips uh, acting, directing, writing,
Uh. You know, there are just so many opportunities that, um,
you know, you might want. You might go in wanting to be
an actor and then take a job as an assistant editor or an assistant assistant
editor and go like, oh I like this and editing is great. Yeah,
it's fantastic. You know, it can be a lot of fun and
uh uh you know, I I think it's a really a really fun fun
field. What's what's odd to me now about the entertainment business is, as
I said mentioned to you guys earlier, it's like it used to be ABC
CBS, NBC, there were eight studios and run Or Corman's company that was
it. Now the content there's just so much, just like yeah, like
you know, the Masters was on yesterday, somebody won the Masters. You
know, tomorrow somebody went in a Cadory me award like this, and then
the uh, the the Emmys come out and then the uh some of the
sporting events and Cuba's just ended, and there's so much content now that it
seems to me there's just going to be a lot more opportunity for people to
podcast. Nobody was doing podcast twenty years ago. Nobody was able to to
get advertising. But radio, of course. Yeah, and I think we
all have to look at Howard Stern kind of changing that whole thing or whatever.
But um, I used to listen to Howard want right. Yeah.
Yeah, I haven't listened to him for a long time, but I spent
my ten years. Yeah, I used to listen. One of one of
the one of the things, one of the few things that I really they
wanted in life was I wanted to get them on the Johnny Carson Show.
Were you were you with Johnny Carson? Yes, Oh my good, I
was a mighty card Mighty Carson art player. Oh you were, yeah when
he did that art uh the you know cut him off at the Slawson cut
off the car sales guy. I was his daughter in a skit. Oh
my goodness. That's what I wanted to be on as a guest, and
I didn't get honest the guests I ended up. I ended up going on
the show with Jay Lano, and that was, you know, still it
was It's the Tonight Show or whatever. But the other thing that I always
wanted to do was Umard Stern. I loved. I loved. There was
a lot about the Howard Sterton Show that really like most of what I liked
is them just taking the piss out of each other the best. Yeah,
yeah, yeah, did you get on? No? No, I never
the thing about guest Yeah, to think about me, you said, go
on, Well, yeah, but think about medios I've never had. I
never had a publicist, so I don't have a publicist. I never Really
I'm a much better actor than I am ever was a movie star. I
was never that comfortable and on the red carpet in school like that was the
cool. That was when movies started. Right now, Like Robert, you
say, you know, Robert de Niro and these times. But people you
didn't see them like making the circuit right on their Instagram right right, They're
doing their social media constantly everywhere like they were, like you didn't see them
on shows years ago. Well, I just was not comfortable. If you
did a movie, of course you would do press for the movie, but
I just I would I would fly to New York City and do the ABC
Morning Show and stuff like that. But that's just like and even like the
Jay Lano Show, it's so coordinated, bang happens, that happens, and
this or Matt a podcasting um or podcast whatever UM. I enjoyed more because
I just feel like I'm not going to get cut off. I have a
chance to say, yeah, we don't have to take a break, and
like yeah, yeah, yeah, we are going to play some music to
play you off though, so it's kidding what music? Can I pick the
music? Sure? That's why I love podcasting too. I think it was
I told Lynnette before I ever I came on, I guess to promote to
just to be a guest, and I was like, this is so cool.
I always wanted to be on radio, like have a radio show.
It just isn't it fun just to format where you can just like talk.
Yes, yeah, And I have to tell you, Michael, thank you
for your son because he came as a little duckling early on, like how
many years ago, ten years, ten years ago, And he's just been
such a great hard worker and that's why he's still with us, Like we
we love him. He's just been so great. He's got such a great
we raised a very very fine young fellow. I agree, and I love
him more. I love him more than you do, even though he probably
spends a lot more time with you. Yeah. No, he's um um,
you know, and I'm looking forward to I think that uh you know
again, like you know, once he left Adam Show, he was,
you know, immediately into something else. He immediate was immediately at working.
But I have a feeling he's gonna cir circle around back to this and yeah,
yeah, he's gonna shine with us on our Princess cruise. Yeah.
I'm trying to make him produce other people's podcasts. Anytime anybody asks me about
starting a podcast, I'm like, well, you're gonna need a producer,
and I have it for you. Have they that those people called you one
person. We went back and forth of trying to set up a phone call,
and then they went, you know what, I don't want to do
a podcast anymore. I was like, okay, wow, then it wasn't
for them. Well let me ask you, I know you just do you
do this once a week? Yea, once a week? So you do
one podcast a week, dude, like they do like two and a half.
So they release some sometimes three now, but we all tape it in
one session, but we'll release two episodes a week. Okay normally you're so,
how many how many we meet once a week? How many hours a
week do you put in front? First of all, how many hours you
put on uh putting into the mic, into the mic? And then how
do you have to do any research? No? So I like how many
hours through an episode? Is between forty five minutes to an hour okay to
hour episodes? That's two hours. And then they'll do they do a special
episode on Patreon that people pay for for all the kind of like juicy gossipy
stuff that they don't want, you know, anybody to be able to listen
to. So that's about another fifteen minutes to a half hour. Yeah,
so it's usually let's say two and a half hour block of recording. It's
Patreon things that was interesting. Did did you see what? Did you see?
Things that nobody want you? Yeah? You know anything we name names?
Yeah, yeah, we anything that could get us in a little bit
of trouble on the regular show. We save it for our show where people
pay a little something something every month. Like if I'm complaining about my son's
elementary teacher that she's got too much hot flashes and like she's going through menopause,
I'll talk about it on the Patriot. All right. I'm telling a
story about Radiohead doing a video at my house when I signed a non disclosure.
That's where that's where I do. Yeah, I got it, I
got it. Okay, Yeah, all right. So if you have anything
that you want to get off your chest, yeah, Like you know,
if there's an actual Sean Connery story that you couldn't tell on the main show,
that would be we'd be like, listen, I I'll come back and
see you. Sometimes. I've got a lot a lot of I've had a
wild life and I've had a lot I've worked with a lot of wild and
fun people. So at some point I'll come back and um tell you some
more Bocall stories, or you know, tell you some Val Kilmer stories.
Now you were saying one last thing before you were saying that gambling and smoking
or two of the only vices you never picked up. Yeah, yeah,
well yeah, I mean I, um, I started uh drinking when I
was about fourteen. I stopped and when I was about about fifty five probably,
um, but I drank. I drank, and I was awaking bait
guy for about thirty years. But I drank more than anybody I've ever known
my entire life. I used to, you know, I used to get
up and I used to and I kept it away from I did three things
when I was when I was young, I was a parent, I worked
as an actor, and a party and those three things usually did not you
know, I didn't party around my children every once in a while they'd see
me. I didn't party around work every once in a while to be working
on something I didn't think was very good, and I'd used a party on
that. But I was. I would get up in the morning and I
usually, yeah, I drank a fifth. I drank a fifth every day
for you know, twenty years. Twenty five years. Yeah, I've been
four rehabs, and that whole rehap thing hasn't never really quite worked out with
me because my attention SPAN's not that good. Yeah, I don't know what
the first step is, let alone the twelfth. But somebody turned me on
his XANIX about ten years ago, and plus I was running out of money,
and plus I when I met his mother. Um, that's right when
things really started happening for me. And um I was able to kind of
do whatever I wanted. And when I came to party in and and and
it was part of part of the eighties when I was the eighties, and
so blow was all over the place and everything. So, um, I've
managed to get through it alive. But there were times that a lot of
people gave up on me. And there are a lot of times that uh
uh, you know, I woke up. I'm not going to write a
book, because I've decided that better than writing a book is like, at
some point doing a podcast or doing enough podcast that I can tell enough stories
about my life that people just you know. Um. But I was going
to write a book, and the book was going to be called I'll never
do that again. And this time I really mean it. I love that.
That's a great title. I love that you. I mean you can
come on here ind any time. Oh yeah, yeah, well yeah I'll
uh yeah, I'll talk to to Klin and yeah you know how to find
Yeah, thank you so much. Oh yeah, this has been so great.
Yeah, it's been a pleasure. I could talk for a long time.
Thank you. Klin says, you don't have anything to promote, But
no, I don't you know what I like, I said, I'm not
really good at I'm going to talk about something I did over the last year.
I don't know when it's coming out, Like you know, like,
uh, what do I have to promote? Um? Nah, you know
nothing? Nothing? Well thank something. Yeah, next time I come alost,
I'll try to have something to to promote. But like you know,
yeah, I've never been very good at that kind of stuff. Well you
were very good at this. Yes, thank you, thank you, great,
great, thank you. Do you actually play a song yet? In
later you put it in else but nothing else matters. Metallica get a few.
We used to put songs in like they would reference a song somewhere in
the episode and they'd be like, okay, we're gonna play that after date
the companies came after you. Yeah, okay, all right, yeah,
well we're like, okay, we got to stop doing that, all right,
but we'll an exception. But they you said we could talk. If
we talk about it, we can play. Yeah. That was a rule
that was told to me that I'm not sure reling information that might have been
wrong. No, it's like our own themes. All right, well then
do uh I'm gonna do the themes alright, then do Sidney Lapper time after
two, thank you, thank you, thank you, we're talking to thank
you. Love you was so great. It was awesome.