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Made a decision. Thanks Sunny,
So I head. What's up everybody?

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It's for Crying Out Loud Special guest
show with Michael bean Klin's dad. Great

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studio. I mean, we couldn't
wait to heat up the mics because we

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started already talking. We're so impressed, we're so excited that you're here,

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very very honored to have you.
Thank God to be here, Thank you,

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thank you for having me, Thanks
for coming. It was a good

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get. Calin Oh, it's not
every day that a parent. That's right,

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then to do our parenting podcast,
Actual parent that's true, that's true.

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Do you talk a lot about parenting? I mean it's that mostly what

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the podcast is about. Yeah,
how how old you have to correct to?

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Sixteen? They're going to be seventeen
in like a month. Are they

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twins? Twins? You have twins
too? Are they identical? No?

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Boy? Girl? Okay, yeah, I started off with twins. Oh

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my god, I couldn't believe it. I was twenty eight and it was

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like it was I get hit by
a tidal wave. Twins. So you

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am helmet. You have five children, five children, three wives, three

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wives, and starting what age?
Uh? Well, the twins are forty

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you have twins two Yeah, we
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the identical they're fraternal. Yeah.
Yeah. And then I have a twenty

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year old who's over with Gina,
his mother in England. Uh, and

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he's studying UM theater and uh.
And then um, I've got Dashel at

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home who is um just turned eight
going on fifteen. One of the things

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that Um, he's the one who
just had a birthday party at David Busters.

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He did. Yeah, I told
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actually I listened to a little bit
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I heard a little bit about it. I didn't know you were that out

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of sorts now you know what I
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You know what's Here's the i'd like
your opinion on as far as raising

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a child these days, is that
my son, who is just turning eight,

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has has a device, has had
a device for a long time,

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and you know, we try to
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days when he's going to school.
He doesn't get it before school, he

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doesn't get it on his way to
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way home from school. He doesn't
get it until he does his homework.

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But when there's nothing else going on, you know, he gets it.

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And when we travel, he travels
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world and what is going on is
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as compared to when I was eight. When I was eight, I hardly

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knew anything. And I you know, I hear people, I hear the

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discussions about devices and how much should
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be on? And you know,
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by the way, if there's something
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got friends over, if there's a
party, if there's a game going on,

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if there's something else for him to
do, he'll do it. He'd

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rather like hang out with friends and
stuff like that than the end of his

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device. But it seems so educational
to me, And I was just wondering

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what your what your opinion was as
far as devices go. You must have

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talked about this a lot on this
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talked. I mean, our kids
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my kids were going up, my
son was was addicted to the device.

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But it sounds to me like you
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control. But I mean they're right
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had what the encyclopedias, you know, nothing, you know and then and

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and I do think that there's like
a lot of I think that there's a

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lot of good that. I mean, it could come from it if you

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have it, I think restrictions.
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Stephanie. I mean, my kids
all got I think a phone is

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really important for them to have,
by the but but my kids didn't get

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a phone until middle school, but
they all got an iPad by eight.

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Yeah. Yeah, right, that's
what he has. Uh well, no,

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he's got a phone and an iPad
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PlayStation right and yeah, you know
he's got everything. Yeah, and uh

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uh it's it's it's odd for me
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can't be on your phone all the
time when he looks around and everybody's on

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their phone all the time, right, I mean he just texted to him,

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text them get off the phone.
Now. It's true, it's true.

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I guess if you're if you're monitoring
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And all that. Well, we
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can't beat our children anymore like they
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you know, that is a very
good device to like, you can't.

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As a matter of fact, he's
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while I'm here because we had a
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from spring break, you know,
and he's kind of like, right crazy

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you see a little bit and like
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all right, well, you know, there goes your device until I get

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back. So it's used. I
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uh but uh it's it's you know
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for the first time since I was
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would be the very first time since
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won't be responsible for a child,
won't have a child like around underneath,

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taking care of, looking after,
being responsible for And I don't really I

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have no idea how I'm going to
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this before. One of the saddest
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were used to hang out Studio City
when from here. We used to hang

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out and just he had to hang
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and I had a car. Yeah, I had a cool job. Yeah

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and yeah, and um, you
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couldn't as all children, they can't
can't live without that. But when he

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turned about, um, fifteen or
show, he went to work at the

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coffee bee. That's right, and
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was that young. Yeah. Wow, so funny giving your last name,

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by the way, I had Yeah, yeah, my last name is being

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and one of my co workers was
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are you kidding? Oh wow?
How did he get the job? Was

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the wrong place to be an actor? I was just it was just random

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that So, so you did,
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the job at that age, like, because I have sixteen year olds and

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as time they start working, and
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has a job, her daughter has
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Essentially, I was just playing way
too many video games, Like I

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would just spend all day playing video
games, and I think that and Mom

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realized that and they just kind of
came in one day and was like you

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need to get a job. Where
do you want to work? And I

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said, I want to work at
either Coffee Bean or Blockbuster. They said,

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well, Blockbuster, you can't you're
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a job at Coffee Being. And
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and I wanted to work there because
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much. And then two months into
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of it and I couldn't. It
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it anymore. You couldn't ask for
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get like the packs of it.
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so I would. I would find
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And yeah, three years I was
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you remember that? Did you tell
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played too many video games? I
don't remake. You know, I've always

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been what I would call a kind
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you know parent. I'm not you
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I'm not a hardcore about stuff.
I probably said to him, you know,

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like, dude, why don't you
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He makes you make some money.
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to the age where money helped.
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drop him off, and you know, he wouldn't have to ask for me

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if he had twenty or forty dollars
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and he went to work at the
coffee Being. And the thing I'm I

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love. I love a lot of
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things about Kaylin is he's got like
an incredible work ethic. Thank and it

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started now, it started at the
coffee being. Yeah, and this is

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a young man now, but a
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going like me, like going,
come on, get up, you gotta

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go, you gotta go to work. You know, I never I never

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remember him missing work. I never
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he would take other people's shifts and
that sort of stuff. Yeah,

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developed that work ethic. And I
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probably what Adam saw too, you
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sidn't it very very important thing.
I agree Adam saw it. But I

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mean back then, I remember we
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to work at the studio, and
Klin had the most sincere, you know,

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very honest, and Ernest wanted to
learn not just wanted to run ay,

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but wanted to learn other stuff that
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because of that work ethic he had, I was like, this guy,

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you know, we we can't lose
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he's a hard worker. And so
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an other We had another producer producing
our show very early on, and he

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hadn't I don't know if you know
this, but then he had to leave

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and go do other shows, and
Kaylin was next in line. And then

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uh yeah, although I didn't know
his name for a while, I couldn't

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remember his name. Yes, that
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when we really learned his name was
Kaylin, we're like, we'll stick with

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Brandon because we thought Brandon because he
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look, you know, like and
when we were talking about like celebrities that

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are kind of look like him,
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with Brandon, but yeah, yeah, and now you think he looks like

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the guy from Yellowstone? Yes,
you watch Yellowstone? Now, Okay,

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he looks just like and he's a
very good looking actor. He looks just

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like the main one of the main
guys. Not you have you ever worked

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with Kevin Costner? No, I
never met Kevin. Uh. I respect

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him though, you know. Um, but just just to finish the story

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with him, is that. Um, so he got to be you know,

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he's like fifteen sixteen. He got
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his driver's license. First his permit
of course, then he got his driver's

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license. And there was a time
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money, he had a car,
and it was see a day later,

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Dad, can I can I have
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the most emotionally difficult times in my
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buddy, you know, and and
and it was really really, really really

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difficult for me when when that happened. But it's kind of a rite of

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passage. Of course he's going to
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at the same time, that's yeah, And so I'm worried about like when

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Dashel, my youngest becomes six or
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to be too long. Um,
and what man, I've been I'll be

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an empty nester, like for the
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I said, twenty eight. Yeah, so that'll be crazy. We'll see.

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What where were the twins raised here
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the valley Yeah, yeah, Woodland
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uh shamanon On High School and then
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college in San Luis Obispo. They're
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Poly slow yep, yep. And
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for Alex, who I see quite
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that's really nice. Yeah. So
your two oldest children went to college.

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didn't either. I did go to
community college and dropped out as well.

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I tell people that I went to
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nineteen seventy four. Yeah. No, I was like, I've always been

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a bit of a party animal.
So yeah, tell us about that.

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I mean, so you went to
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end up acting? Uh? Well, I uh, I did some theater

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when I was a kid. And
when I went to college and I was

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I was the boring story, so
I won't go into it. But I

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was on the drama scholarship, so
they're paying for tuition and books. At

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that time, it wasn't a couple
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would probably be quite a bit.
But so I went. I just I

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like girls and I like I like
party, and that's what I did when

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I got there. So I didn't
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the courses I was taking. They
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me, um, I want to
go out to la and and and try

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to be an actor. And I
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of failing. My mother was a
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brother was in law school. And
so coming back to the small town as

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the kid who's kind of had to
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school, didn't you know, didn't
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more like I made a preemptive decision, Oh, I'm going to go over

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to LA and I kind of thought
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For ten years, nobody's ever successful, you know as an actor,

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and you know, kind of give
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because I was so cute back back
when I was seventeen or eighteen,

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nineteen twenty, UM, I started
picking up people that were interested in me

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working, you know, I started
um um I always uh basically, if

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it wasn't for the gay community,
UM, I'm not sure where my career

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would be right now. Everybody in
the industry, everybody that's really ever helped

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me, um get ahead when I
was young, when I was you know,

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like I got over there. It's
like nineteen twenty twenty one, twenty

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two. All my managers, all
the photographers, people I work with,

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like her Brits and um all all
all the manager my agent Ed Lamotto,

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who ended up handling uh Mel Gibson
and uh Denzel and and uh uh all

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sorts of great people, um uh
gay and um uh you know, UM,

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I didn't bend that way, but
I people they just like to have

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me around, you know, once
they kind of you know, and they

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they were very helpful. The very
first movie, the very very first big

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movie that I that was called The
Fan, and that was produced by a

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guy named Robert Stigwood. All Right, Robert Stigwood was the BGS and Saturday

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Night Fever. He dine with Travolta, so he was gay. That the

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guy that directed the movie as Wars
who was saying, was gay. The

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guy who did the contract for me
ed La Motto was gay. The casting

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director was gay. Kevin m I
think his name was Kevin McCormick, who

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produced the movie, was gay.
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uh, there used to be something
back in the day they called the game

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Offia guys like Geffen and you know, they're really some powerful people, and

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you know they just like had my
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Rosepart was gay. And uh,
I don't think I'm outing him. Years

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started meeting, Yeah, I did. And that's what I That's what I

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tell people when they're when they're first
starting out. I said, you know,

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you should try to either go to
college like uh Alex is doing right

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now, surround yourself with other people
that want that want to do the same

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thing. That you're doing, and
if you surround yourself with other people that

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want to do the same thing that
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I got my Screen Actors Guild card
because a friend was in class and he

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was going up for a commercial,
so I kind of tagged along with him

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and I ended up getting the commercial. And uh, well, you know

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that's there have been so many Um. I if somebody had told me when

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I was twenty that I could be
a male model, which I did do

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some modeling, not runway modeling,
not real but whatever they call it,

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magazine or yeah, you know what
I'm talking about, Matt magazine and you

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opened it up and you see a
picture of something not not run Yeah,

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something like that. And um if
somebody had said, well, you can

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make one hundred thousand dollars a year
to do that for the rest of your

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life, I would have been like, oh my god done. I would

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have sold my soul for that and
things you know, just worked in my

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favor, but I did. I
did go to an acting coach by the

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name of Vincent Chase, and of
course we never really figured out Gaze,

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I mean his sexuality. He always
claimed he was a sexual he liked.

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He liked a lot of boys.
What was The Fan with Robert de Niro?

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No, The Fan, the very
first movie that The Fan. There

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were two movies called The Fan.
You're right that DeNiro did one afterwards.

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Um. This one was with Lauren
bacall So I worked with Lauren bacall I

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was based on a novel. I
played the Fan. I played a guy

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was who was psychologically messed up and
was like kind of on the hunt for

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her, kind of a John Lennon
type of situation. So. Um,

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there was some great great um actors
in it. Hector Alexander was in it.

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Uh. I want to say Marine
Stapleton was Marine? Is it Marine

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Stapleton? Who was on Marine Stapleton
was? Okay, No, it's the

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other Stapleton Academy. Yeah, I
mean she had just gotten on the boat,

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come over from doing reds Uh.
Like I said, Stigwood was producing.

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It was New York City. It
was my first time in New York

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City. It was like twenty one
or twenty two. Well. Uh,

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I auditioned for a casting director and
then I went in and they put me

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on tape and um, um,
they just they liked me from the very

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beginning. It was. It was
actually cast by a director named Warris Hussain

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and I don't know Worris's credits anymore. But um, while we were in

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pre production and a movie came out
called Dressed to Kill Brian to Palmer movie.

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Yeah, and Dressed to Kill was
like a real slasher movie. And

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we went from this kind of uh, psychological drama into this slasher movie which

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Laura McCall wasn't really very very happy
with. James Garner was in it,

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there was a lot of a lot
of fun people in it, and um

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uh and it really wasn't a very
good movie. And uh, but it

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was a big deal when we were
making it, and it was I was

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I was like, it was a
big deal for me. It seemed like

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a big deal, you know.
So that was that was. That was

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my first real big experience doing a
movie. And it did very poorly.

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Lauren McCall, she seemed like a
very unhappy person were working together. I

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kind of figured it maybe it might
have been because she was like working around,

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you know, people like Bogart and
um, just so many um they

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had they had a group of people
that they hung out with and and they

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were all like incredibly talented people,
and I don't I'm not sure that she

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I'm not sure that she really had
the talent the rest of them have it.

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If you look at if you think
about Lauren Boccall, everybody knows her.

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Yeah, like what's Lauren Boccall's best
performance? Yeah? Yeah, for

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three right, you know, But
and she just she didn't she didn't seem

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very happy. Yeah, she was
not a very happy person. But had

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I had a great time doing it, and um um, So then you

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were bit by that. You were
ready to like get get to the next

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role, next part. Like what
when you I mean, you've been in

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such a huge, big movies,
blockbusters. Yeah, well what was the

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first one? Well, you know, it all depends on what you consider

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a blockbuster. I mean the movie
that I did that was probably the most

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successful movie looking back on it thirty
years ago. It was The Terminator,

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the very first Terminator, and Arnold
played the bad guy and I played the

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good guy. And it was the
first of the five Terminators that they did.

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But the time of The Terminator came
out, people didn't realize. I

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mean some people did, people who
worked at studios and stuff and hired Jim

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to do Aliens, which was my
next picture, Jim, they knew.

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But that movie was made for six
million dollars. It made about forty five

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million dollars, which was pretty good, but not in the top. It

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was right around twenty fourth or twenty
fifth box office that year, So it

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wasn't The original Terminator was twenty fourth
box office of that year, So it

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wasn't this massive hit that people think
of it. And people weren't, you

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know, Oh my god, we
gotta get Michael Bean, We gotta get

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Michael Bean. They wanted Arnold Schwarzenegger. Arnold went on to do Predator and

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then Twins and he became a big
star. But and the same with Linda

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Hamilton. Nobody was like pounding down
the door to get Linda Hamilton. But

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that you know, I had done
when I did when I did that movie,

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Jim Cameron had done nothing. He
had done a movie called Prona,

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to which he had been fired from
and did not get credit. I did

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not get credit for directing. And
Arnold had only done the first Conan the

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Barbarian, and Linda hadn't done very
much. And Stan Winston, who was

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a special effects genius who went on
to win like numerous numerous Academy Awards with

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Jim and Spielberg and Jurassic Park and
all that kind of stuff. Sadly he's

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no longer with us. He was
a wonderful guy. Remember, Oh,

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yeah, do you met him?
Yeah, took to the studio and I

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know his son, that Winston who's
married to a friend of mine named Amy

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Winston. Yeah. Wow, Yeah. I took a daughter, Georgia as

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the same exact age as Elbie.
I took a buddy of mine that I

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was in school with, and uh
who also was kind of business connected,

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right, No, not really,
he was not wishing. He's the son

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of his parents are teachers. When
we went to the stan Winston studio,

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it was that wasn't who did you
go to? Who'd you take to the

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stan Winston? His name is David. Oh you're thinking of your thinking of

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Tim who I took to? Uh? Does? Tarantino said? Okay,

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we went with him and his dad
was a producer on Terminator. Yeah I

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believe, Yeah, that's what you're
thinking of. Yeah, but the stan

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Winston one, Yeah, we went
there and he was very scared of the

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face huggers, the aliens, the
face Huggers and uh so, yeah,

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I was just messing with him with
after that happened, and I remember like

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looking at it and there was something
like behind a curtain like you weren't allowed

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to see it, like, oh, you can't see this, and I

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think it ended up being that movie
Ai. It was not Osmond. It

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was like he was doing yeah,
but he was like that secret you can't

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look at that. And I peeked
at it and I saw some of the

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some of the robot. Did you
ever want to go work on the set

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with your dad? Oh? Yeah, I I so. For senior year

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high school, my school did this
thing where it was like Okay, two

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weeks, do whatever you want,
and it's like a senior project, do

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whatever you want, and then just
report on it like that's your homework.

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You can do whatever, like anything. One of my friends like learned jiu

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jitsu that I went up to Canada
and was a PA on a movie that

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he did called The Divide, which
is actually a pretty good movie. I'm

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I'm surprised that that movie doesn't get
into I don't see it on streaming anywhere

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because it's it's a horror, right, really messed up, right kind of

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movie. But it was fun.
So you were so you got were you

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a paid intern or no, it
was just for yours. It was just

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from my school. But so then
yeah, so that's when I started being

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a production assist, which I did. Uh. I did a couple more

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movies after that, um an ad
that worked with my dad. I think

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on the movie that Brian Yep,
Brian. He started hiring me for production

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jobs and I was doing that,
you know, while I was working a

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coffee being while I was going to
Santa Monica. So yeah, I did.

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I did like working on set,
very tiring though after really did you

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like? Maybe? I mean,
you could have joined the Teamsters Union like

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yeah, and we ended up with
you, thank god, but you could

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have ended up a Teamster exactly.
Now. I love being on sets.

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It's super fun. One of the
best experiences that Klin had was I did

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a movie called Grindhouse. Yeah,
and that movie, uh was a double

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feature and Robert Rodriguez, who's an
immensely immensely challenged genius of a filmmaker,

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and Quentin Tarantino, uh decided to
make like an old fashioned double feature that

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would go into and there was like
right, rob Zombie and some other guys

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did like upcoming attractions in between,
and so he got to hang out with

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Robert and Quinton, who both of
them are like, they just love films

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so much and they just enjoy it
so much and they're so right, so

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fun to be around and just so
creative and uh, you know, um,

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people ask me a lot about Jim
Cameron and you know, oh,

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it's difficultness and that, and I
don't I've always really loved working with him.

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But he's really focused and he really
really is focused all the time.

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And it seems to me that Robert
and Quintin they just seem to have more

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fun. They just seem like,
you what, yeah, look at,

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I'm getting to do what I've always
wanted to do. And uh and we

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shot at in Austin, Texas,
and so that was kind of fun.

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That's fun. Yeah, this is
all interesting because I mean, my son

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is sixteen, he's gonna be seventeen. He loves film, loves it,

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and I'm encouraging him to go to
college and he's he wants to go to

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college, maybe to film. I
don't know, Like, I don't know

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what to like. Like this kid, her kid watches all three movie a

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year in the twenties and thirties.
Yea, like just watched a German movie

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that was you know, like eighty
years old. Um killing in the name

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of it. But yeah, he's
really a thing. Yeah, he's just

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a film. Yeah, yeah,
he's a film. And so like I'm

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just trying to guide him in the
right direction right now, Like he's thinking,

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you know, what's what's he gonna
do after high school? You know,

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Um, does he know? Does
he want to be in the entertainment

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business? Does he want to be
a writer? Does he want to be

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a director? Does he want to
be an actor? I think he likes

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the directing aspect of it, but
I mean, you know, he's sixteen.

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I asked him. He knows he
wants to be in the entertainment but

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he doesn't know. Like, you
know, he also has a podcast where

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he talks sports. He's a big
sports prodigy too. I mean, knows

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everything about NBA and NFL. Every
week he does his podcasts bench Warmers on

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iTunes and so, you know,
so maybe broadcasting, I don't know.

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But it's just interesting when you talk
about the director how much they love their

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job, and well, you know, creativity the best thing to be,

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and there are very few of them
are writer directors. So you get somebody

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like Quentin Tarantino or Jim Cameron who
write their own material and then direct their

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own material, and they have total
control. If you're a director, you

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don't have quite as much control.
But you know, I, you know,

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I look at at at Kaitlin and
think of him as being in the

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business, you know, just because
a podcast, podcasting wasn't around when I,

409
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:18,839
you know, when I was younger, and I'm at these days and

410
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:22,119
I, you know, my mother
and father would strike me, well,

411
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:30,039
my mom's still here. She but
I'm a little bit wary about college for

412
00:31:30,279 --> 00:31:37,720
people that are interested in the entertainment
business because what happens is while you're away

413
00:31:37,759 --> 00:31:45,319
at college learning the history of theater
and stagecraft building and an acting class,

414
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:49,160
there are other people that are working, that are going out, that are

415
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:55,880
interviewing, and they're spending those four
years if you don't even if you don't

416
00:31:55,880 --> 00:32:02,319
go to graduate school, those four
years they're spending ingratiating themselves into to meet

417
00:32:02,359 --> 00:32:06,680
people, know, people doing podcasts, you know, and you know,

418
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:09,480
you can do a podcast and then
you can meet a producer who goes Hey,

419
00:32:09,519 --> 00:32:12,720
I like your star, why don't
you come work for you know,

420
00:32:12,799 --> 00:32:21,119
and to me surrounding yourself when you
go to college, you know. And

421
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:28,720
I I I'm just a layo wary. I'm a little wary about education period

422
00:32:29,079 --> 00:32:32,359
because you know, these days,
like my son, they're teaching him how

423
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:37,960
like A B C. And he
doesn't do them very well. And I'm

424
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:40,480
like, he's never gonna be writing. He's never got a use of pencil,

425
00:32:40,759 --> 00:32:45,480
same with spelling, same with like
papers. Now they've got analytics that

426
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:52,400
not analytics, but the chat,
the chat butts chat, GPT yeah,

427
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:55,359
yeah, stuff that'll basically write your
write your stuff for you. And I

428
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:59,759
think the most important when I tell
people, young people and ask me,

429
00:33:00,519 --> 00:33:05,559
you know what's and I'm old school. When I started there was ABC,

430
00:33:05,559 --> 00:33:12,640
CBS, NBC, yes period yeah
and three to get up you had to

431
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:16,960
go turn click that channel. Yeah
yeah, and um. But what I

432
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:23,039
say to people now, what I
think is most most important right now is

433
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:27,960
just and and I'm starting to call
what I what I did. I was

434
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:30,440
over in Australia last year and I
did did I do a movie? I

435
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:32,400
don't know if it's going to be
a movie. It was it's gonna be

436
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:37,799
on TV. I don't know it's
content, right, And then I was

437
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:42,839
over in um Thailand last year.
Get a piece of content content, I

438
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:45,319
don't. Maybe it's gonna end up
on the Paramount channel. Maybe I don't.

439
00:33:45,519 --> 00:33:52,799
I'm not really sure. So to
me, if you are, if

440
00:33:52,839 --> 00:33:58,119
you are creative creating content, even
if it's TikTok videos, even if you

441
00:33:58,319 --> 00:34:01,839
get TikTok videos, you get people
got like twenty million people watching their TikTok

442
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:06,160
videos and they got their you know
guys who you know who they are,

443
00:34:06,599 --> 00:34:12,400
Klin, These guys who basically we'll
find stuff on the internet, put it

444
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:15,519
up, make fun of it,
and they've got you know, millions of

445
00:34:15,559 --> 00:34:22,559
followers, and it's it's it's a
different you know, It's just it's just

446
00:34:22,599 --> 00:34:28,480
a different um uh. You know
what technology has done. You know the

447
00:34:28,519 --> 00:34:32,199
word film, the Ford film.
There's no such thing as film anymore,

448
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:37,159
you know, movies. I don't. I don't know how much longer movie

449
00:34:37,199 --> 00:34:39,320
theaters are going to be around it, Yeah, I don't think very long.

450
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:44,360
So you know, to me,
if you have a son or a

451
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:51,599
daughter, or a niece or a
nephew or what, I'm sorry you know

452
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:55,280
that's interested. You know, I'd
have them in it right now, Like,

453
00:34:58,079 --> 00:35:01,239
yeah, create some content now,
like see how many followers you can

454
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:06,719
get, how many people's eyes can
you get on the content that you make?

455
00:35:07,599 --> 00:35:15,280
And if you're spending four years at
college, and I think college,

456
00:35:15,559 --> 00:35:19,960
especially when it comes to creative arts
and film, is kind of behind the

457
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:22,519
times, you know, well,
regular schools behind the times. Like you

458
00:35:22,559 --> 00:35:27,239
just said about your kid. It's
like I hear the thing that I like

459
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:30,119
about when I hear about my high
schoolers. So I have an older daughter

460
00:35:30,119 --> 00:35:37,159
who's eighteen, who's a senior going
to college next year maybe, But my

461
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:40,239
younger ones, when they tell me
the stuff they're doing, it's a little

462
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:44,039
more creative maybe than it used to
be. And it does give them that

463
00:35:44,119 --> 00:35:47,960
foundation of being able to write a
paper. But I come from a different

464
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:52,320
world too, Like I started as
a stand up and then I became I

465
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:57,000
was self taught, you know.
I wrote a book after I had kids,

466
00:35:57,519 --> 00:36:01,760
a comedy book, Like I taught
myself comedy from studying in back in

467
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:07,000
high school, I would sneak into
comedy clubs with my friends and go watch

468
00:36:07,079 --> 00:36:08,360
and then I came out and I
was like that's what I want to do.

469
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:12,679
And then I took improv and then
I you know, all those things.

470
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:15,039
I wouldn't have learned that in college, none of it. How were

471
00:36:15,039 --> 00:36:17,840
you then, like eighteen nineteen?
Yeah, I moved to LA when I

472
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:22,360
was eighteen. Yeah, okay myself, and then I started. I started

473
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:25,639
doing improv at a really young age. I just started trying to figure it

474
00:36:25,679 --> 00:36:30,239
out. You know. I started
stand up at like twenty two because I

475
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:34,559
was scared. Yeah, that young
that was terrified of it. Well,

476
00:36:34,679 --> 00:36:37,480
I'd be terrified of that too,
I mean, you know. And but

477
00:36:37,679 --> 00:36:45,039
um, that's you know, kind
of where your career has taken you or

478
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:52,400
how your career got started. It's
the more the way that I see things

479
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:57,639
happening. And there's also a lot
of actors, a lot of actors that

480
00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:00,639
you don't realize, like Leonardo Dicaffrey, he's been doing it since he was

481
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:07,840
five, you know, um uh
yeah, a lot of them. A

482
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:09,559
lot of people that you just think, oh, they're you know, like

483
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:14,800
overnight success. Yeah, they've been
doing it a long long time. But

484
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:17,800
you know, these days when it
comes to having an agent and doing all

485
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:25,159
that stuff again, you know,
I'm just not sure, there's I'm just

486
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:31,159
not sure how important um um colleges
and and like I like, you know,

487
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:35,960
and even if you have a degree, let's see you get a degree

488
00:37:36,159 --> 00:37:39,840
business. You know, you're definitely
gonna have to get your masters before you

489
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:47,400
really start, you know. And
uh, how how did Adam? How

490
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:52,119
did Adam start? What did he
just come and come out? He he

491
00:37:52,119 --> 00:37:55,480
he grew up out here, but
he he got a late start. When

492
00:37:55,519 --> 00:38:00,480
he was he went to improv,
but in his early thirties he just doing

493
00:38:00,039 --> 00:38:05,159
local radio kay rock yeah okay,
and then did that for ten years and

494
00:38:05,199 --> 00:38:10,599
then got on KLSX and then went
to podcast. Now and he's he and

495
00:38:10,679 --> 00:38:15,119
I are, you know, we're
different. I want the kids to go

496
00:38:15,159 --> 00:38:19,599
to college just because I didn't get
that experience. But he's like, figured

497
00:38:19,639 --> 00:38:21,679
out what you want to do and
go to work. Well, there's a

498
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:23,519
lot to be said about college.
Let's just say the other side of it.

499
00:38:23,559 --> 00:38:28,480
For a lot of people don't want
to necessarily be an entertainment and I

500
00:38:28,519 --> 00:38:31,199
think it's healthy for kids to get
that background of being around. As you

501
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:36,480
said before, a lot of people
who are exploring a lot of things like

502
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:39,400
these days, if you you know, like I told my daughter, you

503
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:43,920
can take a lot of different classes, even if she goes to community college.

504
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:46,440
You know, take scriptwriting classes,
take this, take that, take

505
00:38:46,519 --> 00:38:52,880
psychology, take and figure out what
you're interested in without being thrown into the

506
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:55,920
world. Not you know, like
I waited tables till I was twenty eight,

507
00:38:57,000 --> 00:39:00,840
and that was a real fun.
Yeah. Well, and I don't

508
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:04,760
wish that on anybody, to like
struggle for that long. And I feel

509
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:08,119
like college can give you at least
a little bit connections other people who are

510
00:39:08,119 --> 00:39:13,119
doing what you're doing, some kind
of training before you go out into the

511
00:39:13,159 --> 00:39:19,199
world. I don't know, Yeah, and I I I understand that what

512
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:23,920
I'm only speak speaking specifically about.
I mean, you're not gonna, you

513
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:30,639
know, go be a you know, like learn how to build uh spaceships

514
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:34,159
right like like by by not going
to complish I mean, you know,

515
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:37,760
you're not going to be an engineer
by not. But I'm just talking about

516
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:40,239
though, if you're Kim kardash Well, you could be a lawyer if you

517
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:44,239
can pass to barge. You don't
even have to go to law don't have

518
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:46,920
to go to law school. But
totally into that. I come from the

519
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:52,800
family of lawyers. And uh um
I they go to law school. Yeah,

520
00:39:52,840 --> 00:40:00,440
they went to and you know college. I think also it is very

521
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:05,320
important just in the fact that,
like, you know, if you do

522
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:09,119
it right, you show up,
you know, you have a certain amount

523
00:40:09,119 --> 00:40:14,199
of classes, you show up,
you do the work, you get it

524
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:19,440
done. It's not like maybe even
you're learning that much, but you're learning

525
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:24,119
these kind of habits ye carry on
through life that like Okay, if I

526
00:40:24,119 --> 00:40:27,519
got a class at eight o'clock,
I'm going to be there at ten to

527
00:40:27,639 --> 00:40:30,519
to make sure, you know.
So that that I think is very important

528
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:36,480
for people who aren't quitters like us. I don't. Yeah, I don't.

529
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:45,760
I yeah, I quit. Have
you ever quit a movie? No,

530
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:47,159
that's not you're not allowed to quit
a movie or not. Have you

531
00:40:47,199 --> 00:40:55,920
ever gotten fired? Uh? I
had a very very bizarre experience happened to

532
00:40:55,960 --> 00:41:05,119
me when I was in Russia,
which is yeah, which yeah, yeah,

533
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:08,199
they did. They I didn't like
them, they didn't like me,

534
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:15,679
kind of that was kind of a
mutual, a mutual, a mutual um

535
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:19,639
they didn't you know, they spoke
Russian and I worked through interpreters. But

536
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:23,360
over there, over in Europe especially
but especially in Russia, like the director

537
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:28,840
is the God? You know?
Was our movie. Yeah, and it

538
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:30,800
never got made because you know,
we worked on it for about a month

539
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:34,519
and just like I went my way
and they went their way and they just

540
00:41:34,559 --> 00:41:37,880
never finished it and they lost some
But you like, really, didn't you

541
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:40,840
study to be a Navy steal at
one point? No, that I could

542
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:44,679
never. I'd be lucky if I
make it through boot camp. I just

543
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:49,599
read that. Yeah, but don't
read everything, don't. But you did

544
00:41:49,639 --> 00:41:52,400
do a navy seal? I did
very well. The very first Navy seal

545
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:55,440
I played was in The Abyss,
which was to Cambridge movie. I love

546
00:41:55,559 --> 00:42:02,599
that movie. Yeah, I played
U right. I think it came out

547
00:42:02,679 --> 00:42:07,639
eighty eight but close enough. Yeah, very good. That's good. Uh

548
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:12,239
yeah that came out yeah, yeah, So that was very first seal.

549
00:42:12,639 --> 00:42:17,440
Then I played and then um,
well I did Navy Seals, which was

550
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:22,360
a really terrible movie that I really
had a hard time with. Um And

551
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:29,039
then I played a seal in The
Rock and the movie. Yeah, The

552
00:42:29,119 --> 00:42:31,960
Rock I was working with Sean Connery. Sean was all right, Sean was

553
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:35,880
all right. You know, people, you people kind of warned me,

554
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:39,519
the producers warned me, Well,
it was Jerry Bruckheimer and Don Simpson and

555
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:45,239
uh, which is Jerry Bruckheimer is
one of the most successful producers of all

556
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:47,920
time in this industry. Um.
And I got to spend a little bit

557
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:52,800
of time with Don Simpson before he
died in that set. Um. But

558
00:42:52,119 --> 00:43:01,800
Sean Wash, he's not the person
never gonna listen. No, No,

559
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:07,159
he's not not No, I don't
know, Sean. He just I'm just

560
00:43:07,199 --> 00:43:09,400
trying to describe that. He's just
justn't somebody that you will go, hey,

561
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:13,840
Sean, how you doing? What's
going on? She would you do

562
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:19,000
last night? Hey? What did
your football team? You know, he's

563
00:43:19,119 --> 00:43:22,840
kind of it was like when I
worked with Georgie Scott, and Georgie Scott

564
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:29,239
was like he was like a ball
of you know if you kind of the

565
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:30,920
same way. Same with with working
with Cameron. You know, if you

566
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:37,559
don't have something important to say,
you don't have something that is relevant to

567
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:43,000
the to the situation. UM,
don't think you're gonna go up joking around,

568
00:43:43,079 --> 00:43:46,639
right, So you can't get him
on our podcast. But I you

569
00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:53,320
know, I have always gotten along
really really well with everybody that I've worked

570
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:58,079
with. I get I like everybody. Yeah, there's a lot of people

571
00:43:58,079 --> 00:44:01,400
that don't like me so much.
Maybe, and I might I know who

572
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:05,480
some of them are, but I
used to be. I used to who

573
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:10,320
anybody famous? Uh No, not
really. The thing about the thing about

574
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:15,679
working on movies is it's it's like
it's a collaborative effort. It's like being

575
00:44:15,679 --> 00:44:20,000
on a football team. Everybody goes
in, they got a game plan.

576
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:22,519
Everybody wants to do a good job. There might be a hot dog wide

577
00:44:22,519 --> 00:44:27,159
receiver, there might be a quarterback
who's disgruntled, there might be this and

578
00:44:27,199 --> 00:44:30,079
that, but everybody really kind of
wants the same thing. And people work

579
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:36,280
in different ways. People have different
processes when when they're making movies, and

580
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:40,840
but everybody really wants the movie to
be good. And it's very very rare

581
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:50,760
that you find somebody that is um
um so uh. You know that it's

582
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:54,000
difficult, difficult, that that it's
hard in the movie. That's not to

583
00:44:54,079 --> 00:44:59,119
say that that doesn't happen. And
you'll see you can talk to a lot

584
00:44:59,199 --> 00:45:01,800
of directors about certain actors or they
just say, you know, never work

585
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:06,239
with that person again because they made
it so difficult. But that actor at

586
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:09,679
the same time, you know,
I've been difficult. It's just because what

587
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:13,880
they were doing was was not They
weren't trying right, they weren't doing it

588
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:20,320
the right way. And so I
I love what I do. I always

589
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:22,920
loved what I've done, and I've
said to Klin and I say to all

590
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:28,400
of my children, whether they whether
the children go to school or not.

591
00:45:29,679 --> 00:45:35,440
I think one of the most important
things about a life is if you can

592
00:45:35,559 --> 00:45:40,920
find something that you really love doing, stand up and you can make a

593
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:45,880
living doing that. You know,
I tell all my boys, don't get

594
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:49,159
married, don't have any kids for
a while. You know, Calin didn't

595
00:45:49,159 --> 00:45:54,519
listen to me. But if you
can find and I did, you know,

596
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:58,719
I found something I love going to
It's hard work, you know,

597
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:02,440
it's twelve hour day. It's hard
work. Love going to work and passionate

598
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:06,719
and I care about it and I
wanted to be good. And yes there's

599
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:09,679
some highs and lows and whatever,
but I love doing it. And whether

600
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:15,679
you're a painter or whether you're an
architect or whether you're a plumber, you

601
00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:20,159
know, if you if you love
what you're doing and you look forward to

602
00:46:20,199 --> 00:46:23,159
going to work and you can make
a living doing it, I think by

603
00:46:23,159 --> 00:46:27,800
far it's one of the most important
things. I love that. Yeah,

604
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:31,480
that's such well, it's good advice
for us since we've got teenagers there,

605
00:46:31,519 --> 00:46:35,880
you know, we're going to be
sending out into the world soon. Here's

606
00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:40,000
another thing. When I was a
teenager, you were expected to kind of

607
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:46,400
go to college or not at eighteen, get a trade, be a mechanic

608
00:46:46,599 --> 00:46:52,000
or dish, a cook or something
like that. By the time you were

609
00:46:52,079 --> 00:46:55,679
twenty two, you were expected to
kind of know what you were supposed to

610
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:59,599
do back when when I was young, when you got out of college,

611
00:46:59,639 --> 00:47:00,960
Okay, I'm gonna go be a
lawyer. Okay, I'm gonna go be

612
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:04,320
a business man. Okay, I'm
gonna go do this. I'm gonna do

613
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:08,159
that these days. And I've told
Kaylen this before. Do you get thirty,

614
00:47:08,199 --> 00:47:12,639
man, your baby, if you
got you got ten, you know

615
00:47:13,199 --> 00:47:16,440
you got you know, people are
living to be a hundred. You make

616
00:47:16,519 --> 00:47:20,320
up your mind what you really want
to do when you're forty. Now he's

617
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:25,320
got some responsibilities, now, beautiful
responsibilities. And he's got a wonderful wife

618
00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:30,480
and love Amy so much, and
and and and and the grandchildren and everything.

619
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:37,440
But you know, I don't think
children need to and Alex kind of

620
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:40,880
has this thing where he wants to
decide, you know. He kind of

621
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:44,920
likes being a first responder too.
He works in a place which is a

622
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:49,199
little bit like, uh uh what
It's called Thorpe Park, but it's a

623
00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:52,440
bit like Disneyland, So if somebody
drops, he's the first one there to

624
00:47:52,519 --> 00:47:55,960
kind of figure out whether they need
an ambulance and stuff. And he likes

625
00:47:57,000 --> 00:47:59,599
that. He likes the thrill of
doing that, so he might end up.

626
00:48:00,079 --> 00:48:01,800
But I don't think kids have to
make up their mind when they're in

627
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:07,719
their early twenties or mid twenties or
even late twenties, like like what what's

628
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:13,119
you know? You know. I
think this is the problem with college right

629
00:48:13,159 --> 00:48:17,039
now, though that's changed. It
fluctuates, you know through the years from

630
00:48:17,039 --> 00:48:20,880
when I was a kid, you
could you could just do liberal arts.

631
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:24,000
You could just you know, you
undeclared liberal arts. They make these kids

632
00:48:24,079 --> 00:48:29,480
declare a major really early. They
have to know what they want to do.

633
00:48:29,559 --> 00:48:30,559
They have to apply to college.
I mean, the some of these

634
00:48:30,639 --> 00:48:35,679
kids are seventeen years old applying to
college, like they should fully know exactly

635
00:48:35,679 --> 00:48:38,840
what they want to do. I
know, I changed my mind like eight

636
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:44,800
times. Yeah, yeah, I
mean literally change my mind after working,

637
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:46,159
Like I want to do stand up
Wait no, I want to be or

638
00:48:46,199 --> 00:48:49,639
I want to write on I want
to be a TV writer. Wait no,

639
00:48:49,679 --> 00:48:51,880
I want to be an author.
Wait no, I want to and

640
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:54,119
I've I've done a lot of those
things. But like you know, you

641
00:48:54,199 --> 00:48:57,960
also have to be able to pivot. You have to have many things that

642
00:48:58,039 --> 00:49:00,239
kind of make you happy. And
you know, I agree. I mean

643
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:06,440
I can understand wanting to be in
a certain field, like the entertainment business,

644
00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:10,480
but there are thousands of jobs.
I mean, sound alone, camera

645
00:49:10,559 --> 00:49:17,719
department, um uh, lighting,
grips uh, acting, directing, writing,

646
00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:24,400
Uh. You know, there are
just so many opportunities that, um,

647
00:49:24,519 --> 00:49:27,760
you know, you might want.
You might go in wanting to be

648
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:32,800
an actor and then take a job
as an assistant editor or an assistant assistant

649
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:37,639
editor and go like, oh I
like this and editing is great. Yeah,

650
00:49:37,679 --> 00:49:39,920
it's fantastic. You know, it
can be a lot of fun and

651
00:49:40,119 --> 00:49:46,840
uh uh you know, I I
think it's a really a really fun fun

652
00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:52,840
field. What's what's odd to me
now about the entertainment business is, as

653
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:57,119
I said mentioned to you guys earlier, it's like it used to be ABC

654
00:49:57,239 --> 00:50:00,480
CBS, NBC, there were eight
studios and run Or Corman's company that was

655
00:50:00,519 --> 00:50:06,559
it. Now the content there's just
so much, just like yeah, like

656
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:09,440
you know, the Masters was on
yesterday, somebody won the Masters. You

657
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:14,440
know, tomorrow somebody went in a
Cadory me award like this, and then

658
00:50:14,519 --> 00:50:19,000
the uh, the the Emmys come
out and then the uh some of the

659
00:50:19,079 --> 00:50:27,079
sporting events and Cuba's just ended,
and there's so much content now that it

660
00:50:27,199 --> 00:50:31,639
seems to me there's just going to
be a lot more opportunity for people to

661
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:37,000
podcast. Nobody was doing podcast twenty
years ago. Nobody was able to to

662
00:50:37,199 --> 00:50:42,079
get advertising. But radio, of
course. Yeah, and I think we

663
00:50:42,159 --> 00:50:45,800
all have to look at Howard Stern
kind of changing that whole thing or whatever.

664
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:47,639
But um, I used to listen
to Howard want right. Yeah.

665
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:51,199
Yeah, I haven't listened to him
for a long time, but I spent

666
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:55,679
my ten years. Yeah, I
used to listen. One of one of

667
00:50:55,760 --> 00:51:00,199
the one of the things, one
of the few things that I really they

668
00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:05,079
wanted in life was I wanted to
get them on the Johnny Carson Show.

669
00:51:05,159 --> 00:51:07,679
Were you were you with Johnny Carson? Yes, Oh my good, I

670
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:12,400
was a mighty card Mighty Carson art
player. Oh you were, yeah when

671
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:15,719
he did that art uh the you
know cut him off at the Slawson cut

672
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:21,480
off the car sales guy. I
was his daughter in a skit. Oh

673
00:51:21,559 --> 00:51:24,880
my goodness. That's what I wanted
to be on as a guest, and

674
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:28,800
I didn't get honest the guests I
ended up. I ended up going on

675
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:30,679
the show with Jay Lano, and
that was, you know, still it

676
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:34,800
was It's the Tonight Show or whatever. But the other thing that I always

677
00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:43,199
wanted to do was Umard Stern.
I loved. I loved. There was

678
00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:45,480
a lot about the Howard Sterton Show
that really like most of what I liked

679
00:51:45,559 --> 00:51:50,239
is them just taking the piss out
of each other the best. Yeah,

680
00:51:51,519 --> 00:51:54,519
yeah, yeah, did you get
on? No? No, I never

681
00:51:55,440 --> 00:52:00,679
the thing about guest Yeah, to
think about me, you said, go

682
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:04,440
on, Well, yeah, but
think about medios I've never had. I

683
00:52:04,599 --> 00:52:07,320
never had a publicist, so I
don't have a publicist. I never Really

684
00:52:07,639 --> 00:52:13,239
I'm a much better actor than I
am ever was a movie star. I

685
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:19,320
was never that comfortable and on the
red carpet in school like that was the

686
00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:21,920
cool. That was when movies started. Right now, Like Robert, you

687
00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:24,559
say, you know, Robert de
Niro and these times. But people you

688
00:52:24,559 --> 00:52:30,320
didn't see them like making the circuit
right on their Instagram right right, They're

689
00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:35,360
doing their social media constantly everywhere like
they were, like you didn't see them

690
00:52:35,519 --> 00:52:40,079
on shows years ago. Well,
I just was not comfortable. If you

691
00:52:40,119 --> 00:52:45,000
did a movie, of course you
would do press for the movie, but

692
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:50,280
I just I would I would fly
to New York City and do the ABC

693
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:52,400
Morning Show and stuff like that.
But that's just like and even like the

694
00:52:52,519 --> 00:52:59,360
Jay Lano Show, it's so coordinated, bang happens, that happens, and

695
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:08,440
this or Matt a podcasting um or
podcast whatever UM. I enjoyed more because

696
00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:12,239
I just feel like I'm not going
to get cut off. I have a

697
00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:14,239
chance to say, yeah, we
don't have to take a break, and

698
00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:16,440
like yeah, yeah, yeah,
we are going to play some music to

699
00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:22,360
play you off though, so it's
kidding what music? Can I pick the

700
00:53:22,519 --> 00:53:27,119
music? Sure? That's why I
love podcasting too. I think it was

701
00:53:27,239 --> 00:53:31,559
I told Lynnette before I ever I
came on, I guess to promote to

702
00:53:31,639 --> 00:53:35,360
just to be a guest, and
I was like, this is so cool.

703
00:53:35,519 --> 00:53:37,440
I always wanted to be on radio, like have a radio show.

704
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:40,039
It just isn't it fun just to
format where you can just like talk.

705
00:53:40,239 --> 00:53:43,880
Yes, yeah, And I have
to tell you, Michael, thank you

706
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:47,280
for your son because he came as
a little duckling early on, like how

707
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:52,079
many years ago, ten years,
ten years ago, And he's just been

708
00:53:52,119 --> 00:53:55,559
such a great hard worker and that's
why he's still with us, Like we

709
00:53:55,960 --> 00:53:59,920
we love him. He's just been
so great. He's got such a great

710
00:54:00,559 --> 00:54:07,519
we raised a very very fine young
fellow. I agree, and I love

711
00:54:07,599 --> 00:54:13,079
him more. I love him more
than you do, even though he probably

712
00:54:13,119 --> 00:54:17,000
spends a lot more time with you. Yeah. No, he's um um,

713
00:54:17,719 --> 00:54:24,639
you know, and I'm looking forward
to I think that uh you know

714
00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:29,639
again, like you know, once
he left Adam Show, he was,

715
00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:34,440
you know, immediately into something else. He immediate was immediately at working.

716
00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:37,880
But I have a feeling he's gonna
cir circle around back to this and yeah,

717
00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:42,920
yeah, he's gonna shine with us
on our Princess cruise. Yeah.

718
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:46,800
I'm trying to make him produce other
people's podcasts. Anytime anybody asks me about

719
00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:50,039
starting a podcast, I'm like,
well, you're gonna need a producer,

720
00:54:50,119 --> 00:54:53,119
and I have it for you.
Have they that those people called you one

721
00:54:53,199 --> 00:54:57,639
person. We went back and forth
of trying to set up a phone call,

722
00:54:57,679 --> 00:54:59,280
and then they went, you know
what, I don't want to do

723
00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:00,920
a podcast anymore. I was like, okay, wow, then it wasn't

724
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:07,440
for them. Well let me ask
you, I know you just do you

725
00:55:07,480 --> 00:55:09,880
do this once a week? Yea, once a week? So you do

726
00:55:10,079 --> 00:55:15,239
one podcast a week, dude,
like they do like two and a half.

727
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:19,159
So they release some sometimes three now, but we all tape it in

728
00:55:19,239 --> 00:55:23,480
one session, but we'll release two
episodes a week. Okay normally you're so,

729
00:55:23,519 --> 00:55:27,440
how many how many we meet once
a week? How many hours a

730
00:55:27,480 --> 00:55:30,599
week do you put in front?
First of all, how many hours you

731
00:55:30,639 --> 00:55:35,519
put on uh putting into the mic, into the mic? And then how

732
00:55:35,599 --> 00:55:45,760
do you have to do any research? No? So I like how many

733
00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:50,639
hours through an episode? Is between
forty five minutes to an hour okay to

734
00:55:50,840 --> 00:55:53,039
hour episodes? That's two hours.
And then they'll do they do a special

735
00:55:53,480 --> 00:55:59,079
episode on Patreon that people pay for
for all the kind of like juicy gossipy

736
00:55:59,119 --> 00:56:01,000
stuff that they don't want, you
know, anybody to be able to listen

737
00:56:01,039 --> 00:56:05,000
to. So that's about another fifteen
minutes to a half hour. Yeah,

738
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:07,199
so it's usually let's say two and
a half hour block of recording. It's

739
00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:12,440
Patreon things that was interesting. Did
did you see what? Did you see?

740
00:56:12,440 --> 00:56:15,199
Things that nobody want you? Yeah? You know anything we name names?

741
00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:17,599
Yeah, yeah, we anything that
could get us in a little bit

742
00:56:17,639 --> 00:56:21,920
of trouble on the regular show.
We save it for our show where people

743
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:25,480
pay a little something something every month. Like if I'm complaining about my son's

744
00:56:25,519 --> 00:56:30,840
elementary teacher that she's got too much
hot flashes and like she's going through menopause,

745
00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:34,239
I'll talk about it on the Patriot. All right. I'm telling a

746
00:56:34,239 --> 00:56:37,559
story about Radiohead doing a video at
my house when I signed a non disclosure.

747
00:56:38,519 --> 00:56:42,320
That's where that's where I do.
Yeah, I got it, I

748
00:56:42,360 --> 00:56:45,320
got it. Okay, Yeah,
all right. So if you have anything

749
00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:46,440
that you want to get off your
chest, yeah, Like you know,

750
00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:51,440
if there's an actual Sean Connery story
that you couldn't tell on the main show,

751
00:56:51,639 --> 00:56:54,920
that would be we'd be like,
listen, I I'll come back and

752
00:56:54,960 --> 00:57:00,679
see you. Sometimes. I've got
a lot a lot of I've had a

753
00:57:00,719 --> 00:57:04,719
wild life and I've had a lot
I've worked with a lot of wild and

754
00:57:04,840 --> 00:57:08,760
fun people. So at some point
I'll come back and um tell you some

755
00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:14,159
more Bocall stories, or you know, tell you some Val Kilmer stories.

756
00:57:15,559 --> 00:57:22,320
Now you were saying one last thing
before you were saying that gambling and smoking

757
00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:27,800
or two of the only vices you
never picked up. Yeah, yeah,

758
00:57:27,920 --> 00:57:35,559
well yeah, I mean I,
um, I started uh drinking when I

759
00:57:35,639 --> 00:57:43,480
was about fourteen. I stopped and
when I was about about fifty five probably,

760
00:57:43,960 --> 00:57:47,800
um, but I drank. I
drank, and I was awaking bait

761
00:57:47,840 --> 00:57:53,159
guy for about thirty years. But
I drank more than anybody I've ever known

762
00:57:53,840 --> 00:57:57,519
my entire life. I used to, you know, I used to get

763
00:57:57,599 --> 00:58:02,000
up and I used to and I
kept it away from I did three things

764
00:58:02,280 --> 00:58:08,320
when I was when I was young, I was a parent, I worked

765
00:58:08,320 --> 00:58:15,519
as an actor, and a party
and those three things usually did not you

766
00:58:15,559 --> 00:58:20,119
know, I didn't party around my
children every once in a while they'd see

767
00:58:20,199 --> 00:58:23,199
me. I didn't party around work
every once in a while to be working

768
00:58:23,239 --> 00:58:25,719
on something I didn't think was very
good, and I'd used a party on

769
00:58:25,800 --> 00:58:30,280
that. But I was. I
would get up in the morning and I

770
00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:34,639
usually, yeah, I drank a
fifth. I drank a fifth every day

771
00:58:34,679 --> 00:58:38,920
for you know, twenty years.
Twenty five years. Yeah, I've been

772
00:58:39,039 --> 00:58:44,519
four rehabs, and that whole rehap
thing hasn't never really quite worked out with

773
00:58:44,599 --> 00:58:49,119
me because my attention SPAN's not that
good. Yeah, I don't know what

774
00:58:49,239 --> 00:58:52,320
the first step is, let alone
the twelfth. But somebody turned me on

775
00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:58,400
his XANIX about ten years ago,
and plus I was running out of money,

776
00:58:58,519 --> 00:59:05,320
and plus I when I met his
mother. Um, that's right when

777
00:59:05,480 --> 00:59:09,199
things really started happening for me.
And um I was able to kind of

778
00:59:09,239 --> 00:59:14,280
do whatever I wanted. And when
I came to party in and and and

779
00:59:14,360 --> 00:59:16,079
it was part of part of the
eighties when I was the eighties, and

780
00:59:16,159 --> 00:59:21,000
so blow was all over the place
and everything. So, um, I've

781
00:59:21,039 --> 00:59:24,320
managed to get through it alive.
But there were times that a lot of

782
00:59:24,320 --> 00:59:28,159
people gave up on me. And
there are a lot of times that uh

783
00:59:29,039 --> 00:59:34,239
uh, you know, I woke
up. I'm not going to write a

784
00:59:34,239 --> 00:59:37,559
book, because I've decided that better
than writing a book is like, at

785
00:59:37,599 --> 00:59:40,440
some point doing a podcast or doing
enough podcast that I can tell enough stories

786
00:59:40,440 --> 00:59:45,079
about my life that people just you
know. Um. But I was going

787
00:59:45,159 --> 00:59:46,199
to write a book, and the
book was going to be called I'll never

788
00:59:46,239 --> 00:59:53,679
do that again. And this time
I really mean it. I love that.

789
00:59:53,679 --> 00:59:59,199
That's a great title. I love
that you. I mean you can

790
00:59:59,239 --> 01:00:02,599
come on here ind any time.
Oh yeah, yeah, well yeah I'll

791
01:00:02,840 --> 01:00:07,559
uh yeah, I'll talk to to
Klin and yeah you know how to find

792
01:00:07,599 --> 01:00:13,840
Yeah, thank you so much.
Oh yeah, this has been so great.

793
01:00:13,960 --> 01:00:15,960
Yeah, it's been a pleasure.
I could talk for a long time.

794
01:00:15,960 --> 01:00:20,199
Thank you. Klin says, you
don't have anything to promote, But

795
01:00:21,000 --> 01:00:22,360
no, I don't you know what
I like, I said, I'm not

796
01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:27,360
really good at I'm going to talk
about something I did over the last year.

797
01:00:27,360 --> 01:00:29,719
I don't know when it's coming out, Like you know, like,

798
01:00:29,920 --> 01:00:34,400
uh, what do I have to
promote? Um? Nah, you know

799
01:00:34,760 --> 01:00:39,199
nothing? Nothing? Well thank something. Yeah, next time I come alost,

800
01:00:39,400 --> 01:00:44,239
I'll try to have something to to
promote. But like you know,

801
01:00:45,000 --> 01:00:47,280
yeah, I've never been very good
at that kind of stuff. Well you

802
01:00:47,320 --> 01:00:52,079
were very good at this. Yes, thank you, thank you, great,

803
01:00:52,400 --> 01:00:57,800
great, thank you. Do you
actually play a song yet? In

804
01:00:57,880 --> 01:01:07,159
later you put it in else but
nothing else matters. Metallica get a few.

805
01:01:07,440 --> 01:01:10,679
We used to put songs in like
they would reference a song somewhere in

806
01:01:10,719 --> 01:01:14,800
the episode and they'd be like,
okay, we're gonna play that after date

807
01:01:15,000 --> 01:01:17,960
the companies came after you. Yeah, okay, all right, yeah,

808
01:01:17,960 --> 01:01:20,840
well we're like, okay, we
got to stop doing that, all right,

809
01:01:20,960 --> 01:01:23,360
but we'll an exception. But they
you said we could talk. If

810
01:01:23,400 --> 01:01:27,079
we talk about it, we can
play. Yeah. That was a rule

811
01:01:27,119 --> 01:01:30,639
that was told to me that I'm
not sure reling information that might have been

812
01:01:30,679 --> 01:01:34,400
wrong. No, it's like our
own themes. All right, well then

813
01:01:34,519 --> 01:01:40,920
do uh I'm gonna do the themes
alright, then do Sidney Lapper time after

814
01:01:42,000 --> 01:01:46,199
two, thank you, thank you, thank you, we're talking to thank

815
01:01:46,239 --> 01:01:52,280
you. Love you was so great. It was awesome.