WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.040 --> 00:00:02.160 Today, I want to tell you about a journey that I've been on for 2 00:00:02.240 --> 00:00:05.120 most of my life. Ever since I was a kid, I've heard tales 3 00:00:05.120 --> 00:00:09.199 of bigfoot and wild men while spending time with my friends and family. As 4 00:00:09.240 --> 00:00:12.759 I grew older and read more about the paranormal, my interest in encryptids and 5 00:00:12.800 --> 00:00:17.039 other things strange only deepened. That's why I'm so excited to share with you 6 00:00:17.079 --> 00:00:22.960 what I've personally become involved with the Untold Radio Network. The Untold Radio Network 7 00:00:23.000 --> 00:00:27.480 is a live streaming podcast network that airs a new show every day across all 8 00:00:27.519 --> 00:00:31.839 podcast platforms, YouTube, and more. 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It's free to subscribe. 16 00:01:00.679 --> 00:01:04.680 So what are you waiting for visit w w W dot Untold Radio Network dot 17 00:01:04.719 --> 00:01:56.439 com today to ba do do Hey everybody, this is Less Drive. Yes, 18 00:01:56.640 --> 00:02:00.719 yes, I know a K A survivor man and you listening to Brian 19 00:02:00.959 --> 00:02:25.000 and Sasquad trattas. You're there and thanks so much for joining us for the 20 00:02:25.000 --> 00:02:28.439 show. It is Friday. I hope you guys have got to bring a 21 00:02:28.479 --> 00:02:30.520 week. We have an amazing guest lined up for you. But as always, 22 00:02:30.560 --> 00:02:34.800 I want to start by inviting you. If you've had an encounter and 23 00:02:34.840 --> 00:02:37.360 you'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email you get me 24 00:02:37.360 --> 00:02:40.039 at Brian at Paranomoworld Productions dot com. Get head over to the website and 25 00:02:40.120 --> 00:02:45.319 check it out, become a member there and help support the show. I 26 00:02:45.400 --> 00:02:47.719 got to sit down and talk to Luke from Indiana and he's had some really 27 00:02:47.759 --> 00:02:54.199 interesting experiences out there and he's captured some audio and some photographs and other things. 28 00:02:54.319 --> 00:02:58.000 I'm gonna play the audio here in the show for you later on in 29 00:02:58.039 --> 00:03:00.800 the interview, but if you'd like to see the photograph we talk about, 30 00:03:00.000 --> 00:03:04.120 head over to Paranormal World Productions dot com. Check out the sasquat Chota see 31 00:03:04.120 --> 00:03:06.800 blog at the top of the page, and you can check those out as 32 00:03:06.879 --> 00:03:09.360 you go along in this episode. I guess you noticed there in the beginning 33 00:03:09.400 --> 00:03:13.240 of the intro you got a little taste of Christmas. We will be putting 34 00:03:13.240 --> 00:03:15.680 out a Christmas Eve show, so I'm going to go and play a little 35 00:03:15.719 --> 00:03:17.919 bit more of Christmas music and get in the spirit of Christmas on Sunday, 36 00:03:19.000 --> 00:03:21.520 So make sure you're back here and tune in for that. But for now, 37 00:03:21.560 --> 00:03:23.520 I know you guys are ready to get into it. Luke's on the 38 00:03:23.520 --> 00:03:27.080 line. He's ready to go, So sit back, relax, and enjoy 39 00:03:27.120 --> 00:03:50.240 the show. I don't want to welcome my guests of the show. It 40 00:03:50.319 --> 00:03:53.039 is Luke from Indiana. Welcome to the show, Luke, Henny glad to 41 00:03:53.080 --> 00:03:55.960 be here. I always happened to talk about big but I'm glad to have 42 00:03:57.039 --> 00:03:59.919 you, man. So let's get into Bigfoot. Before we get started with 43 00:04:00.000 --> 00:04:02.159 some of your experiences and some of your research, let's talk about what got 44 00:04:02.199 --> 00:04:06.120 you interested in the subject to begin with. Yeah, so I was always 45 00:04:06.360 --> 00:04:13.599 pretty interested in kind of the weird and strange, and always written library books 46 00:04:13.639 --> 00:04:16.600 and watching shows as much as I can growing up, and put a lot 47 00:04:16.639 --> 00:04:20.000 of stocking some things like lock mess Monster. I was like, oh yeah, 48 00:04:20.040 --> 00:04:25.279 for sure, And I thought Bigfoot was crazy. This is where I'm 49 00:04:25.279 --> 00:04:29.000 from. I'm running around here, running around in the woods and not seeing 50 00:04:29.040 --> 00:04:32.319 Bigfoot myself. As I got older and studied, learning more and hearing more 51 00:04:32.319 --> 00:04:34.959 accounts that just and I did a one to eighty and I'm all in on 52 00:04:35.040 --> 00:04:39.360 Bigfoot. Now, let's talk about what that means, because that means a 53 00:04:39.360 --> 00:04:41.800 lot of the different things for a lot of people. All in for me 54 00:04:42.120 --> 00:04:46.959 is doing the podcast and documenting as many encounters that people have as I possibly 55 00:04:46.000 --> 00:04:48.079 can't. I just finished a book. I just sent that off to the 56 00:04:48.079 --> 00:04:51.800 publishers. I'm all in from that aspect of the research part of it. 57 00:04:53.000 --> 00:04:57.040 I've done some research, I've gotten out, done some investigations with different places. 58 00:04:57.360 --> 00:05:00.240 What does that look like for you? Was it investigation that you got 59 00:05:00.279 --> 00:05:02.920 into you started getting out into the woods. If that's the case, did 60 00:05:02.920 --> 00:05:08.639 you start having experiences with these things a little bit, started to really listening 61 00:05:08.759 --> 00:05:14.519 to a lot of podcasts and kept hearing more and definitely got to a point 62 00:05:14.519 --> 00:05:17.199 where these people are running into something for sure. And then I started hearing 63 00:05:17.199 --> 00:05:21.959 some in Indiana and I was like, really, because growing up in central 64 00:05:23.040 --> 00:05:26.600 Indiana, I thought that's just a lot of cornfields. But you looked on 65 00:05:26.639 --> 00:05:31.040 the map, especially southern Indiana, it's wooded down there. And I kept 66 00:05:31.079 --> 00:05:34.399 hearing story after story from my own state, and I said, you know 67 00:05:34.439 --> 00:05:40.279 what I need to see for myself, and me and a coworker decided we're 68 00:05:40.759 --> 00:05:43.519 just gonna go out and we just picked the spot and went out one day 69 00:05:43.560 --> 00:05:46.920 and I didn't see a whole lot, nothing that was convincing, but we 70 00:05:46.959 --> 00:05:49.560 had a good height. I gues the downside is you don't see anythings. 71 00:05:49.560 --> 00:05:53.920 You're having a good day out in the woods, so it's a wind. 72 00:05:54.600 --> 00:06:00.600 That's what started. And then second time I went out completely he left me 73 00:06:00.639 --> 00:06:03.639 with no doubt that we had in Menor state, and that was an eye 74 00:06:03.639 --> 00:06:08.800 opening stance. Yeah. I say that all the time. I've talked to 75 00:06:08.839 --> 00:06:13.879 people and Nausehi about that. Is The thing about Bigfoot is this, if 76 00:06:13.920 --> 00:06:15.720 nothing ever comes out of the research, if I never take a trip and 77 00:06:15.879 --> 00:06:18.199 actually see one of these things, because that's my goal, right, I'm 78 00:06:18.240 --> 00:06:21.519 not out to prove it to anybody. That's not my thing. I want 79 00:06:21.519 --> 00:06:26.920 to have that experience. But I have met so many amazing people just because 80 00:06:26.920 --> 00:06:30.439 of the show being able to interview people like you become friends with people. 81 00:06:30.480 --> 00:06:32.879 And I'm going to the Ohio Bigfoot Conference next year. It's made the fourth, 82 00:06:32.920 --> 00:06:35.600 twenty twenty four, and as soon as I popped up on the radio, 83 00:06:35.839 --> 00:06:38.560 I said, I need to go up there. I need to check 84 00:06:38.600 --> 00:06:41.839 it out. I had Marke de Worth on the show earlier this year in 85 00:06:41.839 --> 00:06:45.160 twenty twenty three, and we talked about me coming out there because it's one 86 00:06:45.199 --> 00:06:47.519 of the biggest conferences, that's one of the oldest conferences. And I saw 87 00:06:47.560 --> 00:06:53.920 the speakers, and I knew everybody and have a relationship with everybody who's speaking 88 00:06:53.920 --> 00:06:55.879 at the conference, and I was like, I'm just going to go and 89 00:06:55.920 --> 00:06:58.800 hang out. So I shot Cliff Barrick and a text message and said, 90 00:06:58.800 --> 00:07:00.600 hey, man, I want to come hang out with you. Bring your 91 00:07:00.600 --> 00:07:03.120 book and come hang out. And I'm looking forward to seeing him. Matt 92 00:07:03.120 --> 00:07:06.199 Prewitt's going to be there, doctor Jeff Meldrim's going to be there, Darby 93 00:07:06.319 --> 00:07:10.079 Orcut's going to be there, Adam Davies is going to be there, and 94 00:07:10.720 --> 00:07:14.199 Cliff, of course, And I just thought to myself, how fortunate am 95 00:07:14.240 --> 00:07:17.000 I to be into a subject like this, that's taboo for a lot of 96 00:07:17.040 --> 00:07:19.600 people. People look at you like you got two heads when you say your 97 00:07:19.639 --> 00:07:23.839 head's a bigfoot. I wear my hats into town around here and people are 98 00:07:23.879 --> 00:07:26.480 like you the sasquatch. Yeah, it's my job, right, I do 99 00:07:26.519 --> 00:07:30.000 a bigfoot podcast, Like oh wow. But you meet so many amazing people. 100 00:07:30.079 --> 00:07:33.000 And if, like you said, worst case scenario, it happened to 101 00:07:33.000 --> 00:07:34.959 be at radium, I didn't get to see one of these things when I 102 00:07:34.959 --> 00:07:38.800 went up there. But I spent seven days in one of the most beautiful 103 00:07:38.800 --> 00:07:43.560 places on earth with really good people, hiking in the woods for six hours 104 00:07:43.560 --> 00:07:46.279 a day. I was in heaven. So the worst thing that happens is 105 00:07:46.319 --> 00:07:48.759 you get up off your couch and you go for a great hike with your 106 00:07:48.800 --> 00:07:54.519 friend and nothing happens. So be it. You still won I know people 107 00:07:54.560 --> 00:07:58.120 aren't here to hear my life stories. So let's talk about what changed for 108 00:07:58.240 --> 00:08:01.319 you in that second time you went out. What kind of experiences were you 109 00:08:01.399 --> 00:08:03.360 having, and what convinced you beyond a shadow of a doubt that these things 110 00:08:03.360 --> 00:08:07.879 are real. Yeah. So the second time I went out by myself, 111 00:08:09.079 --> 00:08:13.199 my previous Tobe was couldn't get out with me, and so I parked in 112 00:08:13.240 --> 00:08:16.759 the same spot and just went the opposite way across the road and just went 113 00:08:16.839 --> 00:08:22.480 up this hill started walking. At the time, I was following a guy 114 00:08:22.519 --> 00:08:26.040 named Nathan Rio at Utah Sasquatch and he was talking a lot about six structures. 115 00:08:26.120 --> 00:08:30.720 So I just started looking around and going in the opposite direction. I 116 00:08:30.720 --> 00:08:35.519 started seeing these things that not necessarily individually, you put a lot of stock 117 00:08:35.600 --> 00:08:39.600 into them, and so I get why a lot of people aren't necessarily on 118 00:08:39.720 --> 00:08:45.759 board in stick structures, but taken as a collective. When you start having 119 00:08:45.840 --> 00:08:48.159 eight, ten lots of them, all in a row, all pointing in 120 00:08:48.200 --> 00:08:52.279 one direction, that's when I think you got something. And so I started 121 00:08:52.279 --> 00:08:56.200 going up in that direction, and I just saw the thing after thing, 122 00:08:56.200 --> 00:08:58.360 and it was all leading me in one direction, and so I just followed 123 00:08:58.360 --> 00:09:03.240 it. Eventually I came to this spot that really just put my nerves on 124 00:09:03.399 --> 00:09:07.919 edge. Like I had been relaxed, having a good time, and all 125 00:09:07.960 --> 00:09:09.759 of a sudden, it was just like a light switch, you know. 126 00:09:09.879 --> 00:09:16.840 I pushed through it and walked into this area and convincing myself I'm taking like 127 00:09:16.879 --> 00:09:20.240 a video on my phone at the time, and I'm just saying, you 128 00:09:20.279 --> 00:09:24.039 know, this is why you're here, this is what you want, so 129 00:09:24.320 --> 00:09:28.840 let's do it. And as I pushed further in, I started getting knocks 130 00:09:30.120 --> 00:09:35.200 and a woo and further up the hill. At that point, I decided 131 00:09:35.279 --> 00:09:37.879 I was done, and I went around and walked out, And it was 132 00:09:37.919 --> 00:09:43.639 a nerve wrapping experience being out there by myself. I don't like going out 133 00:09:43.639 --> 00:09:46.120 by myself sometimes, he got to but I'm just having just one other person 134 00:09:46.240 --> 00:09:50.039 with yet, not even just for big but there's all sorts of things. 135 00:09:50.480 --> 00:09:54.440 We got big temper, rattlesnakes right around here. I ran into one couple 136 00:09:54.759 --> 00:09:58.399 two three years ago. Was a step away from it from having a bad 137 00:09:58.480 --> 00:10:01.360 day. But there are situations that you don't want to be by yourself. 138 00:10:03.279 --> 00:10:05.559 Yeah, it's definitely the right call, for sure. So let's talk a 139 00:10:05.559 --> 00:10:09.840 little bit about the stick structures. You mentioned that, and what were you 140 00:10:09.960 --> 00:10:13.200 seeing in the area that you're calling stick structures, Because in my mind when 141 00:10:13.200 --> 00:10:18.000 somebody says stick structures, I start thinking of all kinds of just a myriad 142 00:10:18.039 --> 00:10:20.200 of things that it could be. I know what I've seen here on my 143 00:10:20.279 --> 00:10:22.399 property in North Carolina. I know what I've seen in radium, and people 144 00:10:22.440 --> 00:10:26.000 have sent me pictures all the time of what they call stick structures. Somebody 145 00:10:26.039 --> 00:10:30.279 sent me some pictures the other day that was literally just a couple of x's, 146 00:10:30.919 --> 00:10:33.039 like two sticks laying on the ground in the next formation. I don't 147 00:10:33.039 --> 00:10:37.639 contade that a structure unless there's a backstory to it. So talk a little 148 00:10:37.639 --> 00:10:41.120 bit about when you see these stick structures in this area. You're going out 149 00:10:41.159 --> 00:10:43.720 by yourself, you're seeing this, you're coming up on it. What are 150 00:10:43.759 --> 00:10:46.279 you seeing exactly? Talk about what you're seeing, and let's talk a little 151 00:10:46.279 --> 00:10:50.840 bit about the Knox that you were talking about as well. Yeah, so 152 00:10:50.559 --> 00:10:56.000 it's easier for me to put them in percentages. You'll see like a stick 153 00:10:56.080 --> 00:10:58.200 leaned up against a tree, but you just come across that that happens to 154 00:10:58.200 --> 00:11:03.159 actually for sure, So I don't put a lot of stock in something like 155 00:11:03.200 --> 00:11:09.639 that. But in this specific situation, there were ten of them, all 156 00:11:11.080 --> 00:11:15.879 in a row going up this hill. It was literally just some of them 157 00:11:15.879 --> 00:11:18.879 were just a stick leaned up against a tree, and then the next tree 158 00:11:18.879 --> 00:11:22.879 there was another stick point in the exact same direction, leaned up against the 159 00:11:22.879 --> 00:11:26.679 tree, and then another one, and another one, and once you get 160 00:11:26.840 --> 00:11:33.240 so many in a row, it starts going past the probability of it being 161 00:11:33.320 --> 00:11:37.360 natural. And so that's the small things again. I don't try to put 162 00:11:37.360 --> 00:11:39.360 a lot of stock in with those. And some of the pictures I sent 163 00:11:39.480 --> 00:11:46.519 you there's and why I named this place Threepenny Hill is there's a stump that 164 00:11:46.639 --> 00:11:52.399 has three logs laid out on it and they're making like an arrow shape. 165 00:11:52.480 --> 00:11:56.279 And I left some pennies there. I was hoping to get some interaction. 166 00:11:56.519 --> 00:12:01.600 I never did with the pennies. But and interesting thing is like every time 167 00:12:01.600 --> 00:12:07.440 I went there, things were changed and added, which has been an exception. 168 00:12:07.600 --> 00:12:11.720 A lot of tidis all come into an area and if I find things 169 00:12:11.440 --> 00:12:16.960 then they stay that way for years. And this is one of the spots 170 00:12:16.000 --> 00:12:20.639 where I was noticing changes every time I went back. But yeah, I 171 00:12:20.639 --> 00:12:26.679 have found that when you follow those smaller things that they start getting more ornate, 172 00:12:26.399 --> 00:12:33.120 more complex. And I found like asterisks that are like stuck up and 173 00:12:33.519 --> 00:12:39.759 vertical in the air, found things woven and tied together, had like branches 174 00:12:39.799 --> 00:12:45.720 that are raft around other branches. Some things that are like fresh freshly done. 175 00:12:45.960 --> 00:12:50.080 Sometimes you can age them based on like leaves and the grainary. So 176 00:12:50.240 --> 00:12:52.799 some things are fresher, some things are older. And I have found that 177 00:12:52.840 --> 00:12:58.080 by starting off with some of these less complex things and following them is where 178 00:12:58.320 --> 00:13:03.639 you find more more and more complex, Especially when you're just leaving the trail 179 00:13:03.799 --> 00:13:07.039 or like the road or something. I don't think you're going to find anything 180 00:13:07.559 --> 00:13:11.879 too extravagant right nearby, and so we'll follow those and a lot of times 181 00:13:13.720 --> 00:13:20.159 when we have experiences in these areas after we followed this line of potential structures. 182 00:13:20.919 --> 00:13:22.679 So when you say changes in an area again, that's one of those 183 00:13:22.679 --> 00:13:26.679 things that creates a lot of pictures in my mind. When you're saying changes, 184 00:13:26.720 --> 00:13:33.080 are you talking about specific changes to these things being woven and things being 185 00:13:33.120 --> 00:13:37.240 placed in certain areas? Because I have a gifting stump here on our property, 186 00:13:37.279 --> 00:13:39.679 it's one of the things that really outside of the vocalizations, that really 187 00:13:39.759 --> 00:13:45.200 started me thinking there's possibly activity in my property. Was this weird thing going 188 00:13:45.240 --> 00:13:48.200 on with this one stump on an area where we walk the dogs. I 189 00:13:48.200 --> 00:13:52.840 haven't talked about it recently, but I've had a rock on that stump forever. 190 00:13:52.879 --> 00:13:54.879 I stopped putting sun butter and peanut butter and stuff like that out there 191 00:13:54.879 --> 00:13:58.679 and stop putting apples out quite a while back, because we don't get a 192 00:13:58.720 --> 00:14:03.279 ton of activity in this area as far as vocalizations or other things during this 193 00:14:03.320 --> 00:14:07.799 time of the year. Not to say that their sasquatch here period, but 194 00:14:07.399 --> 00:14:11.679 if there is, it seems that the stuff that we've had go on is 195 00:14:11.720 --> 00:14:16.159 more in the summertime. Okay. I went by this gifting stuff, I 196 00:14:16.200 --> 00:14:18.840 don't know, two or three weeks ago, maybe a month or so back, 197 00:14:18.200 --> 00:14:22.279 and the rock that I've had out there forever was gone. I couldn't 198 00:14:22.279 --> 00:14:28.120 find it. It was back behind the stump uphill from where the stump was, 199 00:14:28.200 --> 00:14:31.279 so something picked it up off the stump and walked five or six feet 200 00:14:31.360 --> 00:14:33.639 up the hill. Because I had to walk a radius around to find this 201 00:14:33.799 --> 00:14:37.840 rock. I put it back on the stump where it was kept, walking 202 00:14:37.840 --> 00:14:41.200 off with the dogs. A couple of days later, I come back. 203 00:14:41.320 --> 00:14:46.679 It's moved again, but it's put down in the middle of this hollowed out 204 00:14:46.879 --> 00:14:50.799 stump where I normally set sun butter or peanut butter jars. That's where I 205 00:14:50.799 --> 00:14:52.879 put them down in there, So something's got to reach in and pull them 206 00:14:52.879 --> 00:14:56.480 out. It's not something you just knock off or pick up. You have 207 00:14:56.519 --> 00:15:00.000 to put something into it, like something with thumbs or a raccoon or something 208 00:15:00.080 --> 00:15:03.919 that's able to do that has to do it. So the rockets placed there, 209 00:15:03.440 --> 00:15:05.639 I don't really put a whole lot of stock into it because it could 210 00:15:05.639 --> 00:15:09.799 be a raccoon. I don't know why a raccoon would be messing with that 211 00:15:09.919 --> 00:15:13.480 rock on that stump in the middle of the night when there's not any food 212 00:15:13.519 --> 00:15:18.399 involved. So that sort of made me pause a little bit and go, 213 00:15:18.679 --> 00:15:22.879 that's interesting. I just filed that away in the interesting category. But when 214 00:15:22.919 --> 00:15:26.480 you're talking about changes in that area, back to my original question, When 215 00:15:26.480 --> 00:15:30.000 you're talking about these changes, what does that mean to you that you're paying 216 00:15:30.000 --> 00:15:33.519 attention to, whether it's small or large changes. What are you looking for 217 00:15:33.679 --> 00:15:37.320 and what are you finding as far as changes to the area specifically in that 218 00:15:37.399 --> 00:15:43.080 spot, there's the three logs that are laid up on the stump, and 219 00:15:43.759 --> 00:15:46.720 when I had come back one of the times, an additional spurts log had 220 00:15:46.720 --> 00:15:52.279 been laid down underneath too, and on top of the third one in a 221 00:15:52.360 --> 00:15:58.399 manner that it couldn't have been just falling until something or someone and it definitely 222 00:15:58.480 --> 00:16:04.720 could be people, but something with hands is manipulating the environment in somewhere. 223 00:16:06.200 --> 00:16:10.279 So that's an example of it. One thing that's changed. But it's things 224 00:16:10.320 --> 00:16:12.440 like that, just like stuff gets woven in every once in a while, 225 00:16:12.480 --> 00:16:17.960 sometimes things get knocked down or new we found, like new tepiece have been 226 00:16:18.000 --> 00:16:22.320 added asiable. That's the other question I was going to ask you is when 227 00:16:22.360 --> 00:16:26.879 it comes to these things with stick structures and even footprints in some cases, 228 00:16:26.080 --> 00:16:29.759 because I talked to Jeff Meldrum about that when I had him on the show. 229 00:16:29.799 --> 00:16:33.559 We've talked privately about it. Is the weird places people go and their 230 00:16:33.600 --> 00:16:37.720 barefoot You find footprints in a place that you would think that nobody would be 231 00:16:37.720 --> 00:16:42.279 barefoot. People did grounding and they walk around barefoot just because a lot of 232 00:16:42.279 --> 00:16:45.679 people do that, right. Oh yeah, So that was the other question 233 00:16:45.720 --> 00:16:48.120 I was going to have for you when it comes to these stick structures and 234 00:16:48.200 --> 00:16:52.000 woven types of things and tepee structures and things like that. Is this place 235 00:16:52.039 --> 00:16:56.600 obviously it's accessible to people because you're there and you're a person. How accessible 236 00:16:56.720 --> 00:17:00.320 is this place? And do you just rule some of that out or are 237 00:17:00.320 --> 00:17:03.599 you using that to gauge what you're finding to say, Okay, this could 238 00:17:03.640 --> 00:17:07.680 be a person, and then you have to take it to the next level 239 00:17:07.720 --> 00:17:10.680 of scrutiny to look at this and say, why would a person be doing 240 00:17:10.680 --> 00:17:14.920 that? Because people teach classes, survival classes and stuff like that. They 241 00:17:14.920 --> 00:17:18.759 make these tepee structures and they leave them. So have you considered that, 242 00:17:18.839 --> 00:17:22.440 and how much of this do you think could be people versus possibly being sasquatching 243 00:17:22.480 --> 00:17:29.160 there? For sure, you can never be one hundred percent really with a 244 00:17:29.160 --> 00:17:33.400 lot of this. Like I said, I think I'm about in the eighty 245 00:17:33.440 --> 00:17:38.440 percent, maybe ninety in some of these, especially when I've solved some of 246 00:17:38.440 --> 00:17:45.000 these and they've gotten more ornate, and then I've had experiences in those locations 247 00:17:45.480 --> 00:17:48.559 that kind of sways me to think that, yeah, it probably is saspuctulated. 248 00:17:49.559 --> 00:17:53.480 But obviously I can't be one hundred percent because I'm there, Surely other 249 00:17:53.519 --> 00:17:57.480 people have been in the area before. But a lot of these places are 250 00:17:57.559 --> 00:18:03.119 not anywhere near the trail. That's not where your average hyper is just going 251 00:18:03.160 --> 00:18:07.400 to step off and hang out for a minute. Let's get into some of 252 00:18:07.400 --> 00:18:11.839 those experiences that you have. Let's take it chronologically. You're finding the stick 253 00:18:11.880 --> 00:18:15.920 structures are you starting to hear wood knocks. Are you seeing other things? 254 00:18:17.240 --> 00:18:19.680 Let's take it chronologically and talk about some of the experiences that you've had outside 255 00:18:19.720 --> 00:18:25.119 of the stick structures. Yeah, I've started this in two thousand and fifteen 256 00:18:25.319 --> 00:18:27.640 is when I started going out, and I try and get out a couple 257 00:18:27.720 --> 00:18:33.440 times a year. I wish I could get out more, but just where 258 00:18:33.480 --> 00:18:37.839 I'm going is an hour and a half drives, and with family and work 259 00:18:37.880 --> 00:18:40.640 and things like that, you just can't get out as much as you want 260 00:18:40.880 --> 00:18:45.960 see. I think the next year, twenty sixteen, was the next biggest 261 00:18:45.000 --> 00:18:52.039 thing. I'd never had that clear as day sighting that we all would love 262 00:18:52.079 --> 00:18:56.960 to have leads, no doubt. But that year I was with the same 263 00:18:56.000 --> 00:19:03.319 coworker and we had stopped this opening and there was a dirt patch and I 264 00:19:03.480 --> 00:19:06.559 just stopped, bent down to see if there's any impressions in there. We've 265 00:19:06.599 --> 00:19:10.480 seen some turkey tracks earlier. As soon as I did that, thirty yards 266 00:19:10.519 --> 00:19:17.599 from us, something jumps up out of the brush and takes three steps and 267 00:19:17.680 --> 00:19:22.799 it sounded very bipedal, that or an animal that leached with four legs each 268 00:19:22.880 --> 00:19:29.000 time. But it went boom and audibly stopped and we knew where it was 269 00:19:29.279 --> 00:19:32.559 and we're like, what was zach? And so we started pushing forward and 270 00:19:32.640 --> 00:19:36.160 it does the exact same thing. It takes another three or four steps, 271 00:19:36.200 --> 00:19:38.519 and this time we both caught a glimpse of it and it was just a 272 00:19:38.640 --> 00:19:44.920 brown blur. From our eye level, it was about three foot tall, 273 00:19:45.599 --> 00:19:48.160 but thinking back, it was actually down a hill, so whatever it was 274 00:19:48.160 --> 00:19:53.799 about fourth butt. But again it did this three four steps and stopped agag 275 00:19:55.200 --> 00:19:57.720 And so we'd start spreading out trains to get around it and see if one 276 00:19:57.720 --> 00:20:03.519 of us it's a better glimpse out. And as we get closer, something 277 00:20:03.599 --> 00:20:10.200 huffed at us from further into the woods, and then I hear something walk 278 00:20:10.640 --> 00:20:15.839 find like around us and it starts tapping on trees and stay tuned for more 279 00:20:15.880 --> 00:20:23.759 sasquatch out to see. We'll be right back after these messages. And we're 280 00:20:23.799 --> 00:20:27.759 like, okay, that's really weird. At this point, we can rule 281 00:20:27.799 --> 00:20:33.559 out like deer, because deer, when they jump a deer, they're gonna 282 00:20:33.720 --> 00:20:36.400 their tail's gonna go up, they're gonna they might chuff or whatever, and 283 00:20:37.039 --> 00:20:41.279 they're gonna go They don't stop, and then circle around you and start tapping 284 00:20:41.359 --> 00:20:45.839 on treats. So it was a very interesting stance. And so it starts 285 00:20:45.880 --> 00:20:49.599 tapping, and then something in front of us starts tapping, and we get 286 00:20:49.599 --> 00:20:53.599 this tapping going back and forth for I don't know, probably four or five 287 00:20:53.640 --> 00:20:57.480 minutes, and it was real light. It wasn't like baseball bat against a 288 00:20:57.519 --> 00:21:02.599 tree, but it was this light tappened and they were going back and forth 289 00:21:02.640 --> 00:21:07.160 and you could hear them move like they're triangulating where they are, and then 290 00:21:07.200 --> 00:21:10.920 it just stopped. And so that was the expanse that made me invest in 291 00:21:10.920 --> 00:21:15.519 an audio recorder so I can hopefully catch some of that. But that was 292 00:21:15.559 --> 00:21:18.839 an exciting time. I can't one percent say that it was a big foot. 293 00:21:19.279 --> 00:21:22.799 There's a whole lot of things that I can rule out that are native 294 00:21:22.799 --> 00:21:27.000 to Indiana that it definitely wasn't. And so I really don't know what else 295 00:21:27.519 --> 00:21:32.039 it could have been. I just I never saw it. You know, 296 00:21:32.559 --> 00:21:36.039 gotcha, then you had an experience. I'm looking over your email back in 297 00:21:36.240 --> 00:21:38.599 twenty seventeen. Was that the next big thing that happened to you? Guys 298 00:21:38.640 --> 00:21:42.960 while you were out researching? Sporadically, we'll get seeing tree knocks every once 299 00:21:44.000 --> 00:21:48.799 in a while. But then I have a friend named Jay Stewart, and 300 00:21:48.920 --> 00:21:52.480 you've been doing this for forty years. I met him probably twenty sixteen, 301 00:21:52.640 --> 00:21:57.599 twenty seventeen. But he had this area that he's been doing gifting for years, 302 00:21:57.640 --> 00:22:03.000 and he's seen him a handful of times. So me another friend in 303 00:22:03.160 --> 00:22:08.119 him went back to his area and we were out there checking things out. 304 00:22:08.359 --> 00:22:12.160 He'll leave like stuffed animals and things like that, and he sometimes had them 305 00:22:12.200 --> 00:22:18.559 disappear and come back, which a little bit of an aside. I've come 306 00:22:18.599 --> 00:22:25.000 across a series of videos that this guy out in the it's like New Hampshire, 307 00:22:25.039 --> 00:22:27.920 Pennsylvania or something like that. But he had left out a drug camera 308 00:22:29.000 --> 00:22:33.279 on a pathway and the true camera disappeared and he was just sitting on the 309 00:22:33.279 --> 00:22:37.519 ground. He was just using it to take videos of wildlife and things, 310 00:22:37.319 --> 00:22:41.599 and it disappeared, and so he got another camera, set it out, 311 00:22:41.680 --> 00:22:45.039 and when he came back to check the second camera, and the first camera 312 00:22:45.559 --> 00:22:51.119 was back after four or five days, and so he pulled that first camera, 313 00:22:51.359 --> 00:22:56.559 checked the memory card, and what happened was a coyote had taken the 314 00:22:56.599 --> 00:23:02.359 camera disappeared with it for four or five days, and then brought it back 315 00:23:02.400 --> 00:23:06.599 and left it in the exact same spot where it had taken it, which 316 00:23:06.640 --> 00:23:11.759 is a crazy thing that ten out ten most researchers who are into big foot 317 00:23:11.759 --> 00:23:15.799 are going to say, what else takes something and then brings it back for 318 00:23:15.839 --> 00:23:21.119 a few days. Apparently coyotes will do that, and so that's an interesting 319 00:23:21.880 --> 00:23:27.400 side that, you know, sometimes things disappear and come back, and normal 320 00:23:27.440 --> 00:23:33.200 everyday animals do really extraordinary crazy things. But my friend he does leave out 321 00:23:33.200 --> 00:23:37.960 stuffed animals and he's had them disappear and bring back, and the same with 322 00:23:37.039 --> 00:23:42.599 marbles. He had a fossil dropped off at one point, so he believes 323 00:23:42.599 --> 00:23:45.640 he's had an interaction and he's seen them there, but yeah, they're in 324 00:23:45.640 --> 00:23:52.279 twenty seventeen, we were there in his area and the three of us had 325 00:23:52.319 --> 00:23:56.400 gone in I think two or three times before, and then we'd all left 326 00:23:56.440 --> 00:24:02.799 as a group. This time two of them stayed and I left to go 327 00:24:02.960 --> 00:24:07.160 meet my wife. The plan was that we were camping at a campground nearby 328 00:24:07.319 --> 00:24:11.759 and we were going to come back that night or the next day, and 329 00:24:11.799 --> 00:24:17.400 so I left an audio recorder sit now, and so I walked out and 330 00:24:18.759 --> 00:24:22.359 two three minutes after I am out of sight, they both hear like a 331 00:24:22.440 --> 00:24:27.519 stick snap and they looked up and my seat. From my audio recorder, 332 00:24:27.680 --> 00:24:33.720 they saw a sasquatch walk right on through and it was being followed by a 333 00:24:33.759 --> 00:24:41.400 blue jay at the time. So I have on audio there encounter. They 334 00:24:41.440 --> 00:24:47.319 had seen the sasquatch and I think it was like sixty yards or something from 335 00:24:47.400 --> 00:24:49.960 him and wasn't real close, but close enough that it was a dark, 336 00:24:51.759 --> 00:24:55.519 hairy figure. They said it was about five or six foot tall at the 337 00:24:55.599 --> 00:24:59.279 time. But yeah, on the audio, you can hear like a stick 338 00:24:59.319 --> 00:25:02.960 snap, and you hear a blue jay start calling, and then you hear 339 00:25:03.279 --> 00:25:07.559 a real fast shufflight that goes fast and followed by this lejay. After that 340 00:25:07.599 --> 00:25:11.359 passes, you hear them my friend jay he whoops at it, try and 341 00:25:11.359 --> 00:25:15.480 get a reaction, and so you hear that whoop on the audio, and 342 00:25:15.519 --> 00:25:21.759 that's them that it just goes fast. And I'm really excited about that one 343 00:25:21.799 --> 00:25:25.920 because that's one of the coolest things. Yeah, it definitely sounds like it. 344 00:25:25.920 --> 00:25:30.640 It's very rare that anybody ever gets the encounter captured on audio and certainly 345 00:25:30.640 --> 00:25:36.039 not video unless you're Roger Patterson and Bob Gimlin, Right, you also mentioned 346 00:25:36.039 --> 00:25:41.240 some knocks that you guys were hearing and some vocalizations during that same time span. 347 00:25:41.359 --> 00:25:44.599 Can you talk a little bit about the knocks and how that started happening 348 00:25:44.599 --> 00:25:47.880 and what you guys were experiencing and then go into some of the vocals and 349 00:25:47.880 --> 00:25:51.599 the other noises that you guys were hearing. Yeah, so a lot of 350 00:25:51.599 --> 00:25:56.720 that was caught on the audio reporter over that night, so it wasn't happening 351 00:25:56.839 --> 00:26:00.680 at that point. So they have their encounter, they walked out, they 352 00:26:00.759 --> 00:26:06.480 told you about it. We were excited, and we came back that night 353 00:26:06.880 --> 00:26:10.240 to just poke around a little bit in the dark. The audio recorder is 354 00:26:10.319 --> 00:26:15.480 left back there and it starts capturing these knocks going on, and when we 355 00:26:15.240 --> 00:26:19.799 get pretty close, we get about nine minutes away from the audio recorder and 356 00:26:19.920 --> 00:26:23.519 there's a series of knocks that goes on. There's a little bit of movement 357 00:26:23.799 --> 00:26:27.720 and stuff that gets captured as well, and then throughout the night there are 358 00:26:27.720 --> 00:26:33.400 also a couple of vocalizations that aren't heard at all during the other twenty four 359 00:26:33.440 --> 00:26:37.200 hours. So we left the audio out and so it just happened as we 360 00:26:37.240 --> 00:26:40.880 walk back there. Then we got these knocks, and we heard one or 361 00:26:40.920 --> 00:26:44.680 two we were walking up that they were pactured on the audio recorder a little 362 00:26:44.680 --> 00:26:48.519 bit better than what we heard. I don't know what the vocalizations are. 363 00:26:48.599 --> 00:26:51.880 I'm certainly not going to claim they're bigfoot. I'm just saying that they happened 364 00:26:51.960 --> 00:26:56.079 in an area where we have had these experiences. You had something in your 365 00:26:56.119 --> 00:27:00.880 email about I guess it was later that same year that a friend had heard 366 00:27:00.880 --> 00:27:04.279 some knocks on the trail. Can you talk a little bit about that as 367 00:27:04.319 --> 00:27:10.279 well. Yeah, so this is a different area and this is a different 368 00:27:10.319 --> 00:27:14.240 friend. But we were hiking to a spot where we've been even like followed, 369 00:27:14.759 --> 00:27:18.359 and we've gotten knocks in the past. But as we are going back 370 00:27:18.400 --> 00:27:22.119 to this area, there's a point where we leave the trail and we started 371 00:27:22.160 --> 00:27:26.960 getting these loud knocks that we're captured on the audio recorder and you can hear 372 00:27:26.000 --> 00:27:30.759 them and us talking about them. And we moved forward and we try to 373 00:27:30.799 --> 00:27:34.960 head towards this tree where we think they're coming from, and we hear something 374 00:27:36.039 --> 00:27:41.359 scurry off. That's not the audio recorder, but you do hear the knocks 375 00:27:41.400 --> 00:27:48.720 and decently loud. There was a study done by what is it the people 376 00:27:48.920 --> 00:27:52.039 in Oklahoma that the area X people based on what their name is, the 377 00:27:52.039 --> 00:27:56.160 North American. Yeah, yep, that's it. Now. They did a 378 00:27:56.200 --> 00:28:03.319 study about how far travels in the woods and they have found that, at 379 00:28:03.400 --> 00:28:07.799 least in their area, that a lot of these wood duffs, if you're 380 00:28:07.839 --> 00:28:11.839 like walking through an area and you can hear them, they're more than likely 381 00:28:12.079 --> 00:28:18.279 somewhere around two hundred yards away from you. That beyond that you're not really 382 00:28:18.279 --> 00:28:21.759 gonna hear. So that's an interesting tidbit. If you're out there and you 383 00:28:21.839 --> 00:28:26.079 hear it, then they're not that far away from you. Yeah. So 384 00:28:26.240 --> 00:28:30.720 in that area we walked through, and there's been points where we'll hear something 385 00:28:30.799 --> 00:28:33.240 move off in the brush, and then as we move it keeps faith with 386 00:28:33.359 --> 00:28:38.279 us and it just follows us around. And the one time we heard it 387 00:28:38.400 --> 00:28:42.799 split off, so there was more than one and they just circled us and 388 00:28:42.839 --> 00:28:48.440 followed us into this area where we have found a higher number of potential stick 389 00:28:48.480 --> 00:28:53.319 structures than what you typically find. And so that's just one of those interesting 390 00:28:53.680 --> 00:28:59.839 little things. Definitely, you mentioned something in June or July of twenty twenty 391 00:28:59.839 --> 00:29:02.759 two as well with some knocks. Can you talk a little bit about that. 392 00:29:03.799 --> 00:29:07.480 Yeah, that is probably the best series of knocks and one of the 393 00:29:07.480 --> 00:29:15.599 craziest experiances that happened last year. I was out with two friends and we 394 00:29:15.359 --> 00:29:19.440 went in to a different area, completely new to us, and actually it 395 00:29:19.519 --> 00:29:26.160 was behind a cemetery, and so we walked and when we found potential footprints. 396 00:29:26.640 --> 00:29:32.640 Can't say for sure, but they seemed to be about a consistent size 397 00:29:32.640 --> 00:29:36.079 and shape. We're about six foot apart each and every one, and we 398 00:29:36.200 --> 00:29:40.720 found more of them together. And it's really just like impressions and only used 399 00:29:40.759 --> 00:29:45.119 there nothing you can cast, unfortunately, but it's just something we're keeping an 400 00:29:45.119 --> 00:29:51.000 eye out for. But we're walking together and I had separated a little bit 401 00:29:51.039 --> 00:29:56.400 from them, we were visual range of each other, and I stepped into 402 00:29:56.559 --> 00:30:03.279 kind of this dark area the forest where it's a little bit clear under the 403 00:30:03.359 --> 00:30:07.519 underbrush, but a really thick canopyt and so it was dark enner. As 404 00:30:07.519 --> 00:30:11.519 soon as I stepped in there, all the hairs on my neck go up, 405 00:30:11.720 --> 00:30:15.119 and I get this real strong feeling of being watched, and so I 406 00:30:15.279 --> 00:30:18.759 freeze and I'm looking around, and then to my left I watched them also 407 00:30:19.039 --> 00:30:23.119 enter into this area, and I see them have the exact same reaction that 408 00:30:23.160 --> 00:30:29.160 I do, which is solid confirmation that their experience and the same thing that 409 00:30:29.240 --> 00:30:33.480 I am. They breathe and I'm looking at them, and then we get 410 00:30:33.519 --> 00:30:37.799 a knock over to our left and it's pretty loud. Then we get one 411 00:30:37.839 --> 00:30:44.960 in front of us, and they happening two or three times, go back 412 00:30:45.000 --> 00:30:49.039 and forth, and then there's one to our right that happens, and then 413 00:30:49.200 --> 00:30:52.880 they get a rocks thrown. That's all on the audio and I sent you 414 00:30:52.960 --> 00:30:59.480 like a condensed version. And then this knocking goes on pretty loud for about 415 00:31:00.599 --> 00:31:06.480 minutes or so. Then it stops, and down this hill where some of 416 00:31:06.519 --> 00:31:10.559 the Nazi had happened, we hear a bunch of CROs that just go crazy 417 00:31:11.359 --> 00:31:15.200 and they start calling and making a big loud noise, and that's the end 418 00:31:15.240 --> 00:31:18.200 of that experience. But I had condensed down and put a lot of the 419 00:31:18.559 --> 00:31:23.279 docks together for you, and it was pretty impressive. You're pretty excited about 420 00:31:23.319 --> 00:31:29.960 that. And I actually went back to that spot in October of last year 421 00:31:30.000 --> 00:31:37.559 by myself and had my second potential sighting. I was by myself and walking 422 00:31:37.599 --> 00:31:41.640 through and I come to about the same area, and I start getting that 423 00:31:41.680 --> 00:31:47.920 ceiling and being washed again, and I'm looking around and I actually had brought 424 00:31:47.920 --> 00:31:52.359 an apple with me and i'd set it down and was offering as a little 425 00:31:52.400 --> 00:31:56.319 gift or whatever. And I looked up and in front of me, I 426 00:31:56.359 --> 00:32:01.920 see this dark black in a round shape, maybe the size of the basketball, 427 00:32:02.000 --> 00:32:06.519 a little bit bigger, but it's got like a conical point to it. 428 00:32:07.000 --> 00:32:09.000 And I'm looking at it and it looks like it's sticking up over this 429 00:32:09.319 --> 00:32:14.920 the steep hill. And I'm looking at I'm like, well, that's weird. 430 00:32:15.200 --> 00:32:19.400 It's really standing out. And I'm like, but it's probably just like 431 00:32:19.519 --> 00:32:23.039 a burnout logged or something to dead rotten log And so I looked down to 432 00:32:23.079 --> 00:32:27.599 grab my phone because I'm going to try and pull up the camera and zoom 433 00:32:27.640 --> 00:32:30.359 in see if I get a clear bak sure, and when I look back 434 00:32:30.440 --> 00:32:36.599 up, it's gone. So whatever it was disappeared. I for sure saw 435 00:32:36.680 --> 00:32:40.839 something and it was then gone. So I don't know. It was black, 436 00:32:42.599 --> 00:32:45.799 far darker than like raccoons or anything. And we don't really have anything 437 00:32:45.839 --> 00:32:51.960 in Indiana that's that color, so I can't say for sure, but it 438 00:32:52.119 --> 00:32:54.559 was a very dark thing. That I don't know what it was. I 439 00:32:54.559 --> 00:32:58.680 don't know what else it could be. Let's talk a little bit about the 440 00:32:58.759 --> 00:33:00.759 Knox. This is one of the things that kept coming up over and over 441 00:33:00.799 --> 00:33:05.799 when I was up in radium when we were hearing knocks. Todd Standing has 442 00:33:05.839 --> 00:33:10.640 this theory that they're not doing wood on wood knocks, they're using rocks and 443 00:33:10.720 --> 00:33:15.440 hitting the sides of trees. And I can tell you I did this a 444 00:33:15.440 --> 00:33:19.319 couple of times while I was up there. We had a wooden carved out 445 00:33:19.440 --> 00:33:22.240 bat kind of made knocker, if you will, that we would use to 446 00:33:22.319 --> 00:33:27.119 hit on stumps when we were getting activity, and it sounded out pretty good. 447 00:33:27.240 --> 00:33:29.720 By the end of the seven days, i'd gotten pretty good. I 448 00:33:29.759 --> 00:33:31.839 knew exactly which stump to hit, I knew what kind of sound it was 449 00:33:31.839 --> 00:33:36.680 going to make, but what we were hearing sounded a little different than that. 450 00:33:37.160 --> 00:33:39.640 I couldn't be for certain if what I was hearing was a rock on 451 00:33:40.119 --> 00:33:44.960 a tree. It could have been either or I'm still up in the air. 452 00:33:45.000 --> 00:33:46.720 But it's never really made sense to me. I say that, but 453 00:33:46.759 --> 00:33:52.000 I've heard a couple of accounts where people have seen these things, either carrying 454 00:33:52.039 --> 00:33:54.799 a log or a stick of some sort while they're crossing the road, or 455 00:33:54.880 --> 00:33:59.240 even in the woods when the people have sightings. But in and of itself, 456 00:33:59.240 --> 00:34:00.519 it just doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Think about you being 457 00:34:00.519 --> 00:34:05.359 out I know I'm out here hiking on my property a lot, and I'm 458 00:34:05.400 --> 00:34:07.079 in plenty of areas. If somebody looked at me and said, do a 459 00:34:07.119 --> 00:34:14.400 wood knock, I would walk around for fifteen minutes trying to find something that 460 00:34:14.440 --> 00:34:19.519 I could possibly use to produce this sort of sound. So I say all 461 00:34:19.559 --> 00:34:23.639 that to say it makes more sense to me that something may be carrying a 462 00:34:23.800 --> 00:34:30.440 rock of size to make these noises. Is what you guys are hearing and 463 00:34:30.480 --> 00:34:32.239 what you've got recorded, And I'll certainly for everybody listening, I'll put this 464 00:34:32.320 --> 00:34:37.360 up on the website. You can go over to the sasquatch Otasy blog Parnomorld 465 00:34:37.360 --> 00:34:38.679 Productions dot com. Check it out at the top. I'll have all the 466 00:34:38.760 --> 00:34:44.079 photos posted there for you to take a look at. But just for now, 467 00:34:44.159 --> 00:34:45.800 can you talk a little bit about what these knocks sound like. Does 468 00:34:45.880 --> 00:34:49.760 it sound like it's wood on wood, Does it sound like it could be 469 00:34:49.800 --> 00:34:53.679 a rock on wood? And other people have even proposed I do this cheek 470 00:34:53.719 --> 00:34:59.360 pop thing that sounds very similar. I was doing that in Canada and guys 471 00:34:59.400 --> 00:35:02.840 some response his back out of doing the cheek pop that I was doing. 472 00:35:04.360 --> 00:35:07.079 So talk a little bit about the sounds that you're hearing. What does it 473 00:35:07.079 --> 00:35:08.760 sound like to you, what's your theory on what they're using and maybe even 474 00:35:08.800 --> 00:35:13.880 why they're doing it. Yeah, I'm right there with Yet it doesn't run 475 00:35:13.960 --> 00:35:19.159 the gambit. It sounds like different things at different times. I don't think 476 00:35:19.239 --> 00:35:24.760 I have ever heard anything that is that baseball back kind of cracked on wood. 477 00:35:25.159 --> 00:35:30.440 So I don't think that for the majority of times that they are just 478 00:35:30.480 --> 00:35:36.280 swinging logs up against the other trees. The truth is probably somewhere a little 479 00:35:36.320 --> 00:35:39.400 bit of all of it. I've definitely heard things that sounds like rocks on 480 00:35:39.599 --> 00:35:45.599 trees. I think the mouthpop theory makes a lot of sense, and they 481 00:35:45.719 --> 00:35:49.440 may occasionally pick up logs and hit those, but most of the time you 482 00:35:49.559 --> 00:35:52.320 grab just a random stick or something, then it's going to fall apart. 483 00:35:52.400 --> 00:35:57.199 They're not hardened there, They're not going to make a great sound. Some 484 00:35:57.239 --> 00:36:01.679 people say that they're just using their hands. We don't typically make knocks while 485 00:36:01.679 --> 00:36:05.800 we're out there. Usually we're just walking along again, we'll start hearing them. 486 00:36:06.480 --> 00:36:09.880 Occasionally, when that happens, we might do a response and see if 487 00:36:09.880 --> 00:36:14.760 they'll respond back to us, and that's about fifty to fifty. Sometimes they 488 00:36:14.760 --> 00:36:21.199 will, sometimes they won't. The best luck that I had, honestly is 489 00:36:21.280 --> 00:36:25.400 doing real light tapping. There are a few times where I'll carry like a 490 00:36:25.440 --> 00:36:30.159 little geode and I'll tap that against a hard, pretty trunk. There was 491 00:36:30.159 --> 00:36:34.639 one time in particular where we're down this hill. After I did that, 492 00:36:35.440 --> 00:36:39.119 we heard it back, and then it started coming straight towards us, and 493 00:36:39.320 --> 00:36:43.559 we did a couple of times, and it came right up to the crest 494 00:36:43.599 --> 00:36:46.719 of the hill where it could peek over, and at that point everything stopped 495 00:36:47.239 --> 00:36:52.519 or when anymore sounds any more responses. But we have had our best luck 496 00:36:52.000 --> 00:36:58.519 not doing like loud knocks, but just little light tacks. That's what we 497 00:36:58.599 --> 00:37:02.000 hear most of the time, but sometimes it is louder and definitely here while 498 00:37:02.000 --> 00:37:06.679 you're walking around. One of the last things I'm looking at in your email 499 00:37:06.719 --> 00:37:09.039 that you send us, I love how you worded it. It's called weirdness 500 00:37:09.079 --> 00:37:13.960 at Dougs from April this year, So can you take us to Dougs and 501 00:37:14.000 --> 00:37:17.000 talk about what kind of weirdness you guys experienced while you were there. Yeah. 502 00:37:17.119 --> 00:37:21.679 I was out with a friend and he owns this big farm. It's 503 00:37:21.679 --> 00:37:24.960 out in the it's a big cornfield, but he's just got like a little 504 00:37:25.000 --> 00:37:29.559 pond can out there and a little hatch and you're a little hot when we're 505 00:37:29.599 --> 00:37:32.360 out there, just having a fire in the late spring with this year, 506 00:37:34.039 --> 00:37:37.960 and it was like eleven o'clock at night and we're out there just chilling by 507 00:37:38.000 --> 00:37:43.280 the fire. I'd brought the audio recorders because that's what I do. His 508 00:37:43.440 --> 00:37:50.960 property sits next to a state park, big wooded area, and in the 509 00:37:51.159 --> 00:37:57.159 past I have seen some things on his property that could be potential structures, 510 00:37:57.559 --> 00:38:01.079 but they're maybe thirty forty percent just enough to keep me interested. We were 511 00:38:01.079 --> 00:38:05.840 out there late at night, and I had the audio recorder out. We 512 00:38:05.840 --> 00:38:07.559 were actually getting ready to pack it in, and so I had the audio 513 00:38:07.599 --> 00:38:14.000 recorder with us by the fire. And then we start hearing these sounds off 514 00:38:14.039 --> 00:38:17.679 in the distance from the direction of the state park, and according to Google 515 00:38:17.719 --> 00:38:22.760 max, it's about a mile of the distance. And we're hearing these noises 516 00:38:22.800 --> 00:38:24.760 and we're like, oh, Okay, those are coyotes. Then they get 517 00:38:24.760 --> 00:38:30.880 this weird blah like nope, change in them at the end, and then 518 00:38:30.920 --> 00:38:36.880 we do start hearing coyotes with it. But there were three calls that I 519 00:38:37.079 --> 00:38:40.880 captured on the audio recorder and they're real saint. They're not great. I 520 00:38:42.079 --> 00:38:45.400 really wish my audio recorder had been out in that direction, but I don't 521 00:38:45.400 --> 00:38:51.079 think they were owls given the distance. But I did send it off to 522 00:38:51.320 --> 00:38:54.480 Mangahela and he had to listen at it, and he said it's really too 523 00:38:54.519 --> 00:39:00.760 faint for him to say either way. I'm just gonna have to be more 524 00:39:00.800 --> 00:39:06.280 skeptically and say it probably is owls, even though it sounds weird. But 525 00:39:06.960 --> 00:39:09.159 he couldn't say for sure. He said he he wishes it was louder and 526 00:39:09.199 --> 00:39:14.280 then he can tell me. But it was definitely. It was one of 527 00:39:14.320 --> 00:39:17.000 the coolers eyes that I've got, and so I have it looped like three 528 00:39:17.079 --> 00:39:22.679 times each of those calls and you can hear them. I definitely recommend headphones 529 00:39:22.800 --> 00:39:27.480 because it is the ways off unfortunately, but yeah, they were really cool. 530 00:39:27.639 --> 00:39:31.800 As my first intentional the long call that has that wow sound at the 531 00:39:31.920 --> 00:39:35.920 end. You sent me those audio recording so let me play those for the 532 00:39:35.960 --> 00:39:38.400 audience right now, some towards the end of this it's about three and a 533 00:39:38.400 --> 00:39:42.400 half minutes or so. Some of these are going to be looped three times. 534 00:39:42.400 --> 00:39:44.400 That's why you're going to hear it back to back, so you can 535 00:39:44.440 --> 00:39:49.159 hopefully pick up what Luke is talking about here and what he recorded, and 536 00:39:49.400 --> 00:39:52.880 stay tuned for more Sasquatch out to see. We'll be right back after these 537 00:39:52.920 --> 00:40:59.639 messages. Yeah, I can, but they like you get you back. 538 00:41:09.719 --> 00:42:08.760 Anything can be a sport. Something up from Did you hear that? Yeah? 539 00:42:08.760 --> 00:42:28.599 I do up more go away? Not what backer don't word it's kind 540 00:42:30.519 --> 00:42:52.039 uh, it's not trees creaking together. No, I'm not the sort go 541 00:42:52.199 --> 00:43:32.000 up. I say, if we can hear a sher than, I see, 542 00:43:32.000 --> 00:43:35.119 if we can hear a sher than? I see, if we can 543 00:43:35.199 --> 00:44:02.320 hear a ser than? Script there? Script there, script, there's sush 544 00:44:04.239 --> 00:44:36.599 what's that? Script? Fare? Script fare script fare. Let's talk a 545 00:44:36.639 --> 00:44:40.639 little bit about this is fresh on my mind because shameless book plug Sasquatch unleashed. 546 00:44:40.719 --> 00:44:44.480 The truth behind the legend is finished. It's went to the publisher. 547 00:44:44.519 --> 00:44:47.239 It should be out shortly after the beginning of twenty twenty four and one of 548 00:44:47.239 --> 00:44:51.800 the things I talk about in the book is it's not a simple but bigfoot 549 00:44:51.800 --> 00:44:53.360 on the brain, right, That's one of the things that comes up. 550 00:44:53.400 --> 00:44:58.519 Often people go out and they're looking for bigfoot in the woods, they're looking 551 00:44:58.519 --> 00:45:00.920 for sign of Sasquatch. It happens to all of us. I think it's 552 00:45:00.920 --> 00:45:04.719 happened to me. You know. I passed by literally today, I was 553 00:45:04.760 --> 00:45:07.199 walking the dogs on the path and I look over and I see this huge 554 00:45:07.480 --> 00:45:12.559 X and these two trees are put in this area. One of them didn't 555 00:45:12.599 --> 00:45:15.199 fall there. I haven't checked to see if the other one fell there, 556 00:45:15.239 --> 00:45:19.039 but it looks like they've been placed there. And I literally laughed out loud 557 00:45:19.039 --> 00:45:21.599 at myself and said, dude, you got big foot on the brain. 558 00:45:21.760 --> 00:45:24.360 It's just an X that just happens. But there's a whole lot of psychology 559 00:45:24.400 --> 00:45:28.320 that goes into that, and I talk a lot about that in the book. 560 00:45:29.079 --> 00:45:31.679 When I start talking about evidence and looking at the totality of the evidence. 561 00:45:31.679 --> 00:45:35.000 It's one of the things I did was go way back in the history. 562 00:45:35.039 --> 00:45:37.639 I talk about the Native American and First Nations people, the history they 563 00:45:37.719 --> 00:45:43.679 have, the oral traditions passed on there, some of the early sightings and 564 00:45:43.719 --> 00:45:47.679 some of the well known stories albert osman Abe Canyon, those things. You 565 00:45:47.760 --> 00:45:52.039 started looking at the totality the evidence that's out there, and I'm still on 566 00:45:52.079 --> 00:45:57.199 the fence. I'm still skeptical about the whole thing. It all boils down 567 00:45:57.199 --> 00:46:02.079 to me, Why is it do you think that we are still here twenty 568 00:46:02.119 --> 00:46:07.079 twenty three, about to go into twenty twenty four, and these things aren't 569 00:46:07.079 --> 00:46:09.400 recognized. People see them all the time. I can't even say they're undiscovered 570 00:46:09.440 --> 00:46:14.239 anymore. I used to use that verbage. I can't really say that, 571 00:46:14.280 --> 00:46:17.639 because they're literally discovered every time somebody comes to my show and says that they've 572 00:46:17.639 --> 00:46:22.320 seen one. If these people aren't crazy, they're not making their stories up. 573 00:46:22.360 --> 00:46:24.480 It didn't happen in their mind. They had an encounter with something. 574 00:46:24.519 --> 00:46:30.760 They can't explain that it's potentially a sasquatch. They're not undiscovered. People discover 575 00:46:30.880 --> 00:46:35.639 them a thousand times a year when they see them. But to be recognized 576 00:46:35.679 --> 00:46:38.159 by science, we're nowhere near that finish line. So I say to you, 577 00:46:38.199 --> 00:46:42.320 as a researcher and somebody who's really interested in the subject, maybe had 578 00:46:42.360 --> 00:46:45.960 a couple of potential sightings, hearing these weird things, seeing these weird things. 579 00:46:47.159 --> 00:46:53.119 What is it about the phenomenon do you think prevents them from being discovered? 580 00:46:53.159 --> 00:46:57.159 Do you think that there may be something more to them? You and 581 00:46:57.199 --> 00:46:59.880 I talked about that in the beginning, about them being flesh and blood. 582 00:47:00.440 --> 00:47:02.159 You certainly I don't want to put words in your mouth on the air. 583 00:47:02.199 --> 00:47:05.760 You can talk about whether whether you believe they're flesh and blood or do you 584 00:47:05.760 --> 00:47:09.079 believe in the high strangeness in Bigfoot. That's a whole nother conversation when you 585 00:47:09.119 --> 00:47:14.440 start putting those kind of stories out there. But let's just stick to if 586 00:47:14.519 --> 00:47:17.000 you believe they're flesh and blood, why is it that, whether it be 587 00:47:17.000 --> 00:47:22.960 in Indiana or British Columbia or here in North Carolina, why don't we have 588 00:47:22.039 --> 00:47:27.639 definitive proof that they're real? And why have we not been able to truly 589 00:47:27.880 --> 00:47:32.039 get them recognized by science? For sure? I really wish I knew. 590 00:47:32.639 --> 00:47:37.000 I try and stay more on the flesh and blood side. When I'm sitting 591 00:47:37.000 --> 00:47:42.480 at home, I'm real skeptical about the expanses that I've had. Then it's 592 00:47:42.480 --> 00:47:45.559 like, does that really happen? Am I just leading myself on is this 593 00:47:45.800 --> 00:47:52.480 just a lot of normal, everyday animals doing extraordinary things or is this something 594 00:47:52.519 --> 00:47:55.880 more? And when you get out there and you start having these experiences, 595 00:47:55.920 --> 00:48:01.719 and if you're familiar with how normal deer, any boxes and coyotes and things 596 00:48:01.719 --> 00:48:07.000 behave, it doesn't add up. There's something more going on. And I 597 00:48:07.199 --> 00:48:12.280 really don't have an answer for why we can't catch up to them where they 598 00:48:12.320 --> 00:48:16.239 go, because it's crazy that we haven't got this all sort of A lot 599 00:48:16.320 --> 00:48:22.199 of people have these really extraordinary experiences where you know, they have mind speak, 600 00:48:22.280 --> 00:48:28.760 they have them jumping into porls or going invisible or onto the spaceships, 601 00:48:28.840 --> 00:48:35.119 and I haven't experienced any impact. It's not to say that stuff isn't happening. 602 00:48:35.840 --> 00:48:39.280 It would be a really nice convenient answer, I think for some of 603 00:48:39.320 --> 00:48:44.719 it, put it in a box. We love our boxes, and this 604 00:48:44.760 --> 00:48:47.960 one just doesn't seem to want to stick in a box. I struggle a 605 00:48:47.960 --> 00:48:52.800 little bit with that, trying to stay with the flesh and bud, but 606 00:48:52.119 --> 00:48:58.519 I haven't experienced those other phenomenon. Weird things happen in the woods, and 607 00:48:58.559 --> 00:49:01.800 I've definitely had weird experiences in the woods, but I can't make that one 608 00:49:01.840 --> 00:49:08.679 to one correlation that that was Bigfoot? Did it? If you see you 609 00:49:08.719 --> 00:49:13.960 go out to a park in isolated place at night, strange light in the 610 00:49:13.960 --> 00:49:16.360 woods and then you see deer in the woods, does that mean the deer 611 00:49:16.440 --> 00:49:22.800 and the lights are related or are they just happening andy the same area and 612 00:49:22.880 --> 00:49:28.559 they're more observable in that situation. I don't know that they're connected. I 613 00:49:28.639 --> 00:49:34.440 just haven't had that experience. But I think people are having these experiences for 614 00:49:34.480 --> 00:49:37.360 sure, and they're seeing things. They're seeing lights, they're having things move 615 00:49:37.400 --> 00:49:43.639 around them making noises, and I just don't know what that means, but 616 00:49:43.880 --> 00:49:49.840 it could be they could be helpathic and talking to certain people and not to 617 00:49:49.880 --> 00:49:53.000 other people. I've not had that experience. I would love to, I 618 00:49:53.039 --> 00:49:58.480 would absolutely love to, but I just haven't. So I'm open to it. 619 00:49:58.800 --> 00:50:00.639 I want it to happen. Until it does happen, I just I 620 00:50:00.679 --> 00:50:06.400 can't make that commandment, and so I softly in the flesh and blood gain 621 00:50:07.559 --> 00:50:08.800 very well, said my friend. It sounds like we're rowing in the same 622 00:50:08.800 --> 00:50:13.159 boat. I definitely appreciate you coming on and sharing your experiences and sharing your 623 00:50:13.199 --> 00:50:15.920 evidence. Like I said, we'll have that posted on some of the socials. 624 00:50:15.920 --> 00:50:19.360 You can always get it at the sasquortch Otasy blog over on Paranormoralproductions dot 625 00:50:19.400 --> 00:50:21.199 com. Look, I've had a blast talking to you, man. I 626 00:50:21.199 --> 00:50:24.599 really appreciate you coming on. I appreciate it. I love just talking about 627 00:50:24.639 --> 00:50:29.639 the subject. Anybody who will listen, that's my job, man, I'm 628 00:50:29.639 --> 00:52:08.719 always listening down don dost tam don't Tampa ten thousands b