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you go along in this episode. I guess you noticed there in the beginning
of the intro you got a little taste of Christmas. We will be putting
out a Christmas Eve show, so I'm going to go and play a little
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So make sure you're back here and tune in for that. But for now,
I know you guys are ready to get into it. Luke's on the
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the show. I don't want to welcome my guests of the show. It
is Luke from Indiana. Welcome to the show, Luke, Henny glad to
be here. I always happened to talk about big but I'm glad to have
you, man. So let's get into Bigfoot. Before we get started with
some of your experiences and some of your research, let's talk about what got
you interested in the subject to begin with. Yeah, so I was always
pretty interested in kind of the weird and strange, and always written library books
and watching shows as much as I can growing up, and put a lot
of stocking some things like lock mess Monster. I was like, oh yeah,
for sure, And I thought Bigfoot was crazy. This is where I'm
from. I'm running around here, running around in the woods and not seeing
Bigfoot myself. As I got older and studied, learning more and hearing more
accounts that just and I did a one to eighty and I'm all in on
Bigfoot. Now, let's talk about what that means, because that means a
lot of the different things for a lot of people. All in for me
is doing the podcast and documenting as many encounters that people have as I possibly
can't. I just finished a book. I just sent that off to the
publishers. I'm all in from that aspect of the research part of it.
I've done some research, I've gotten out, done some investigations with different places.
What does that look like for you? Was it investigation that you got
into you started getting out into the woods. If that's the case, did
you start having experiences with these things a little bit, started to really listening
to a lot of podcasts and kept hearing more and definitely got to a point
where these people are running into something for sure. And then I started hearing
some in Indiana and I was like, really, because growing up in central
Indiana, I thought that's just a lot of cornfields. But you looked on
the map, especially southern Indiana, it's wooded down there. And I kept
hearing story after story from my own state, and I said, you know
what I need to see for myself, and me and a coworker decided we're
just gonna go out and we just picked the spot and went out one day
and I didn't see a whole lot, nothing that was convincing, but we
had a good height. I gues the downside is you don't see anythings.
You're having a good day out in the woods, so it's a wind.
That's what started. And then second time I went out completely he left me
with no doubt that we had in Menor state, and that was an eye
opening stance. Yeah. I say that all the time. I've talked to
people and Nausehi about that. Is The thing about Bigfoot is this, if
nothing ever comes out of the research, if I never take a trip and
actually see one of these things, because that's my goal, right, I'm
not out to prove it to anybody. That's not my thing. I want
to have that experience. But I have met so many amazing people just because
of the show being able to interview people like you become friends with people.
And I'm going to the Ohio Bigfoot Conference next year. It's made the fourth,
twenty twenty four, and as soon as I popped up on the radio,
I said, I need to go up there. I need to check
it out. I had Marke de Worth on the show earlier this year in
twenty twenty three, and we talked about me coming out there because it's one
of the biggest conferences, that's one of the oldest conferences. And I saw
the speakers, and I knew everybody and have a relationship with everybody who's speaking
at the conference, and I was like, I'm just going to go and
hang out. So I shot Cliff Barrick and a text message and said,
hey, man, I want to come hang out with you. Bring your
book and come hang out. And I'm looking forward to seeing him. Matt
Prewitt's going to be there, doctor Jeff Meldrim's going to be there, Darby
Orcut's going to be there, Adam Davies is going to be there, and
Cliff, of course, And I just thought to myself, how fortunate am
I to be into a subject like this, that's taboo for a lot of
people. People look at you like you got two heads when you say your
head's a bigfoot. I wear my hats into town around here and people are
like you the sasquatch. Yeah, it's my job, right, I do
a bigfoot podcast, Like oh wow. But you meet so many amazing people.
And if, like you said, worst case scenario, it happened to
be at radium, I didn't get to see one of these things when I
went up there. But I spent seven days in one of the most beautiful
places on earth with really good people, hiking in the woods for six hours
a day. I was in heaven. So the worst thing that happens is
you get up off your couch and you go for a great hike with your
friend and nothing happens. So be it. You still won I know people
aren't here to hear my life stories. So let's talk about what changed for
you in that second time you went out. What kind of experiences were you
having, and what convinced you beyond a shadow of a doubt that these things
are real. Yeah. So the second time I went out by myself,
my previous Tobe was couldn't get out with me, and so I parked in
the same spot and just went the opposite way across the road and just went
up this hill started walking. At the time, I was following a guy
named Nathan Rio at Utah Sasquatch and he was talking a lot about six structures.
So I just started looking around and going in the opposite direction. I
started seeing these things that not necessarily individually, you put a lot of stock
into them, and so I get why a lot of people aren't necessarily on
board in stick structures, but taken as a collective. When you start having
eight, ten lots of them, all in a row, all pointing in
one direction, that's when I think you got something. And so I started
going up in that direction, and I just saw the thing after thing,
and it was all leading me in one direction, and so I just followed
it. Eventually I came to this spot that really just put my nerves on
edge. Like I had been relaxed, having a good time, and all
of a sudden, it was just like a light switch, you know.
I pushed through it and walked into this area and convincing myself I'm taking like
a video on my phone at the time, and I'm just saying, you
know, this is why you're here, this is what you want, so
let's do it. And as I pushed further in, I started getting knocks
and a woo and further up the hill. At that point, I decided
I was done, and I went around and walked out, And it was
a nerve wrapping experience being out there by myself. I don't like going out
by myself sometimes, he got to but I'm just having just one other person
with yet, not even just for big but there's all sorts of things.
We got big temper, rattlesnakes right around here. I ran into one couple
two three years ago. Was a step away from it from having a bad
day. But there are situations that you don't want to be by yourself.
Yeah, it's definitely the right call, for sure. So let's talk a
little bit about the stick structures. You mentioned that, and what were you
seeing in the area that you're calling stick structures, Because in my mind when
somebody says stick structures, I start thinking of all kinds of just a myriad
of things that it could be. I know what I've seen here on my
property in North Carolina. I know what I've seen in radium, and people
have sent me pictures all the time of what they call stick structures. Somebody
sent me some pictures the other day that was literally just a couple of x's,
like two sticks laying on the ground in the next formation. I don't
contade that a structure unless there's a backstory to it. So talk a little
bit about when you see these stick structures in this area. You're going out
by yourself, you're seeing this, you're coming up on it. What are
you seeing exactly? Talk about what you're seeing, and let's talk a little
bit about the Knox that you were talking about as well. Yeah, so
it's easier for me to put them in percentages. You'll see like a stick
leaned up against a tree, but you just come across that that happens to
actually for sure, So I don't put a lot of stock in something like
that. But in this specific situation, there were ten of them, all
in a row going up this hill. It was literally just some of them
were just a stick leaned up against a tree, and then the next tree
there was another stick point in the exact same direction, leaned up against the
tree, and then another one, and another one, and once you get
so many in a row, it starts going past the probability of it being
natural. And so that's the small things again. I don't try to put
a lot of stock in with those. And some of the pictures I sent
you there's and why I named this place Threepenny Hill is there's a stump that
has three logs laid out on it and they're making like an arrow shape.
And I left some pennies there. I was hoping to get some interaction.
I never did with the pennies. But and interesting thing is like every time
I went there, things were changed and added, which has been an exception.
A lot of tidis all come into an area and if I find things
then they stay that way for years. And this is one of the spots
where I was noticing changes every time I went back. But yeah, I
have found that when you follow those smaller things that they start getting more ornate,
more complex. And I found like asterisks that are like stuck up and
vertical in the air, found things woven and tied together, had like branches
that are raft around other branches. Some things that are like fresh freshly done.
Sometimes you can age them based on like leaves and the grainary. So
some things are fresher, some things are older. And I have found that
by starting off with some of these less complex things and following them is where
you find more more and more complex, Especially when you're just leaving the trail
or like the road or something. I don't think you're going to find anything
too extravagant right nearby, and so we'll follow those and a lot of times
when we have experiences in these areas after we followed this line of potential structures.
So when you say changes in an area again, that's one of those
things that creates a lot of pictures in my mind. When you're saying changes,
are you talking about specific changes to these things being woven and things being
placed in certain areas? Because I have a gifting stump here on our property,
it's one of the things that really outside of the vocalizations, that really
started me thinking there's possibly activity in my property. Was this weird thing going
on with this one stump on an area where we walk the dogs. I
haven't talked about it recently, but I've had a rock on that stump forever.
I stopped putting sun butter and peanut butter and stuff like that out there
and stop putting apples out quite a while back, because we don't get a
ton of activity in this area as far as vocalizations or other things during this
time of the year. Not to say that their sasquatch here period, but
if there is, it seems that the stuff that we've had go on is
more in the summertime. Okay. I went by this gifting stuff, I
don't know, two or three weeks ago, maybe a month or so back,
and the rock that I've had out there forever was gone. I couldn't
find it. It was back behind the stump uphill from where the stump was,
so something picked it up off the stump and walked five or six feet
up the hill. Because I had to walk a radius around to find this
rock. I put it back on the stump where it was kept, walking
off with the dogs. A couple of days later, I come back.
It's moved again, but it's put down in the middle of this hollowed out
stump where I normally set sun butter or peanut butter jars. That's where I
put them down in there, So something's got to reach in and pull them
out. It's not something you just knock off or pick up. You have
to put something into it, like something with thumbs or a raccoon or something
that's able to do that has to do it. So the rockets placed there,
I don't really put a whole lot of stock into it because it could
be a raccoon. I don't know why a raccoon would be messing with that
rock on that stump in the middle of the night when there's not any food
involved. So that sort of made me pause a little bit and go,
that's interesting. I just filed that away in the interesting category. But when
you're talking about changes in that area, back to my original question, When
you're talking about these changes, what does that mean to you that you're paying
attention to, whether it's small or large changes. What are you looking for
and what are you finding as far as changes to the area specifically in that
spot, there's the three logs that are laid up on the stump, and
when I had come back one of the times, an additional spurts log had
been laid down underneath too, and on top of the third one in a
manner that it couldn't have been just falling until something or someone and it definitely
could be people, but something with hands is manipulating the environment in somewhere.
So that's an example of it. One thing that's changed. But it's things
like that, just like stuff gets woven in every once in a while,
sometimes things get knocked down or new we found, like new tepiece have been
added asiable. That's the other question I was going to ask you is when
it comes to these things with stick structures and even footprints in some cases,
because I talked to Jeff Meldrum about that when I had him on the show.
We've talked privately about it. Is the weird places people go and their
barefoot You find footprints in a place that you would think that nobody would be
barefoot. People did grounding and they walk around barefoot just because a lot of
people do that, right. Oh yeah, So that was the other question
I was going to have for you when it comes to these stick structures and
woven types of things and tepee structures and things like that. Is this place
obviously it's accessible to people because you're there and you're a person. How accessible
is this place? And do you just rule some of that out or are
you using that to gauge what you're finding to say, Okay, this could
be a person, and then you have to take it to the next level
of scrutiny to look at this and say, why would a person be doing
that? Because people teach classes, survival classes and stuff like that. They
make these tepee structures and they leave them. So have you considered that,
and how much of this do you think could be people versus possibly being sasquatching
there? For sure, you can never be one hundred percent really with a
lot of this. Like I said, I think I'm about in the eighty
percent, maybe ninety in some of these, especially when I've solved some of
these and they've gotten more ornate, and then I've had experiences in those locations
that kind of sways me to think that, yeah, it probably is saspuctulated.
But obviously I can't be one hundred percent because I'm there, Surely other
people have been in the area before. But a lot of these places are
not anywhere near the trail. That's not where your average hyper is just going
to step off and hang out for a minute. Let's get into some of
those experiences that you have. Let's take it chronologically. You're finding the stick
structures are you starting to hear wood knocks. Are you seeing other things?
Let's take it chronologically and talk about some of the experiences that you've had outside
of the stick structures. Yeah, I've started this in two thousand and fifteen
is when I started going out, and I try and get out a couple
times a year. I wish I could get out more, but just where
I'm going is an hour and a half drives, and with family and work
and things like that, you just can't get out as much as you want
see. I think the next year, twenty sixteen, was the next biggest
thing. I'd never had that clear as day sighting that we all would love
to have leads, no doubt. But that year I was with the same
coworker and we had stopped this opening and there was a dirt patch and I
just stopped, bent down to see if there's any impressions in there. We've
seen some turkey tracks earlier. As soon as I did that, thirty yards
from us, something jumps up out of the brush and takes three steps and
it sounded very bipedal, that or an animal that leached with four legs each
time. But it went boom and audibly stopped and we knew where it was
and we're like, what was zach? And so we started pushing forward and
it does the exact same thing. It takes another three or four steps,
and this time we both caught a glimpse of it and it was just a
brown blur. From our eye level, it was about three foot tall,
but thinking back, it was actually down a hill, so whatever it was
about fourth butt. But again it did this three four steps and stopped agag
And so we'd start spreading out trains to get around it and see if one
of us it's a better glimpse out. And as we get closer, something
huffed at us from further into the woods, and then I hear something walk
find like around us and it starts tapping on trees and stay tuned for more
sasquatch out to see. We'll be right back after these messages. And we're
like, okay, that's really weird. At this point, we can rule
out like deer, because deer, when they jump a deer, they're gonna
their tail's gonna go up, they're gonna they might chuff or whatever, and
they're gonna go They don't stop, and then circle around you and start tapping
on treats. So it was a very interesting stance. And so it starts
tapping, and then something in front of us starts tapping, and we get
this tapping going back and forth for I don't know, probably four or five
minutes, and it was real light. It wasn't like baseball bat against a
tree, but it was this light tappened and they were going back and forth
and you could hear them move like they're triangulating where they are, and then
it just stopped. And so that was the expanse that made me invest in
an audio recorder so I can hopefully catch some of that. But that was
an exciting time. I can't one percent say that it was a big foot.
There's a whole lot of things that I can rule out that are native
to Indiana that it definitely wasn't. And so I really don't know what else
it could have been. I just I never saw it. You know,
gotcha, then you had an experience. I'm looking over your email back in
twenty seventeen. Was that the next big thing that happened to you? Guys
while you were out researching? Sporadically, we'll get seeing tree knocks every once
in a while. But then I have a friend named Jay Stewart, and
you've been doing this for forty years. I met him probably twenty sixteen,
twenty seventeen. But he had this area that he's been doing gifting for years,
and he's seen him a handful of times. So me another friend in
him went back to his area and we were out there checking things out.
He'll leave like stuffed animals and things like that, and he sometimes had them
disappear and come back, which a little bit of an aside. I've come
across a series of videos that this guy out in the it's like New Hampshire,
Pennsylvania or something like that. But he had left out a drug camera
on a pathway and the true camera disappeared and he was just sitting on the
ground. He was just using it to take videos of wildlife and things,
and it disappeared, and so he got another camera, set it out,
and when he came back to check the second camera, and the first camera
was back after four or five days, and so he pulled that first camera,
checked the memory card, and what happened was a coyote had taken the
camera disappeared with it for four or five days, and then brought it back
and left it in the exact same spot where it had taken it, which
is a crazy thing that ten out ten most researchers who are into big foot
are going to say, what else takes something and then brings it back for
a few days. Apparently coyotes will do that, and so that's an interesting
side that, you know, sometimes things disappear and come back, and normal
everyday animals do really extraordinary crazy things. But my friend he does leave out
stuffed animals and he's had them disappear and bring back, and the same with
marbles. He had a fossil dropped off at one point, so he believes
he's had an interaction and he's seen them there, but yeah, they're in
twenty seventeen, we were there in his area and the three of us had
gone in I think two or three times before, and then we'd all left
as a group. This time two of them stayed and I left to go
meet my wife. The plan was that we were camping at a campground nearby
and we were going to come back that night or the next day, and
so I left an audio recorder sit now, and so I walked out and
two three minutes after I am out of sight, they both hear like a
stick snap and they looked up and my seat. From my audio recorder,
they saw a sasquatch walk right on through and it was being followed by a
blue jay at the time. So I have on audio there encounter. They
had seen the sasquatch and I think it was like sixty yards or something from
him and wasn't real close, but close enough that it was a dark,
hairy figure. They said it was about five or six foot tall at the
time. But yeah, on the audio, you can hear like a stick
snap, and you hear a blue jay start calling, and then you hear
a real fast shufflight that goes fast and followed by this lejay. After that
passes, you hear them my friend jay he whoops at it, try and
get a reaction, and so you hear that whoop on the audio, and
that's them that it just goes fast. And I'm really excited about that one
because that's one of the coolest things. Yeah, it definitely sounds like it.
It's very rare that anybody ever gets the encounter captured on audio and certainly
not video unless you're Roger Patterson and Bob Gimlin, Right, you also mentioned
some knocks that you guys were hearing and some vocalizations during that same time span.
Can you talk a little bit about the knocks and how that started happening
and what you guys were experiencing and then go into some of the vocals and
the other noises that you guys were hearing. Yeah, so a lot of
that was caught on the audio reporter over that night, so it wasn't happening
at that point. So they have their encounter, they walked out, they
told you about it. We were excited, and we came back that night
to just poke around a little bit in the dark. The audio recorder is
left back there and it starts capturing these knocks going on, and when we
get pretty close, we get about nine minutes away from the audio recorder and
there's a series of knocks that goes on. There's a little bit of movement
and stuff that gets captured as well, and then throughout the night there are
also a couple of vocalizations that aren't heard at all during the other twenty four
hours. So we left the audio out and so it just happened as we
walk back there. Then we got these knocks, and we heard one or
two we were walking up that they were pactured on the audio recorder a little
bit better than what we heard. I don't know what the vocalizations are.
I'm certainly not going to claim they're bigfoot. I'm just saying that they happened
in an area where we have had these experiences. You had something in your
email about I guess it was later that same year that a friend had heard
some knocks on the trail. Can you talk a little bit about that as
well. Yeah, so this is a different area and this is a different
friend. But we were hiking to a spot where we've been even like followed,
and we've gotten knocks in the past. But as we are going back
to this area, there's a point where we leave the trail and we started
getting these loud knocks that we're captured on the audio recorder and you can hear
them and us talking about them. And we moved forward and we try to
head towards this tree where we think they're coming from, and we hear something
scurry off. That's not the audio recorder, but you do hear the knocks
and decently loud. There was a study done by what is it the people
in Oklahoma that the area X people based on what their name is, the
North American. Yeah, yep, that's it. Now. They did a
study about how far travels in the woods and they have found that, at
least in their area, that a lot of these wood duffs, if you're
like walking through an area and you can hear them, they're more than likely
somewhere around two hundred yards away from you. That beyond that you're not really
gonna hear. So that's an interesting tidbit. If you're out there and you
hear it, then they're not that far away from you. Yeah. So
in that area we walked through, and there's been points where we'll hear something
move off in the brush, and then as we move it keeps faith with
us and it just follows us around. And the one time we heard it
split off, so there was more than one and they just circled us and
followed us into this area where we have found a higher number of potential stick
structures than what you typically find. And so that's just one of those interesting
little things. Definitely, you mentioned something in June or July of twenty twenty
two as well with some knocks. Can you talk a little bit about that.
Yeah, that is probably the best series of knocks and one of the
craziest experiances that happened last year. I was out with two friends and we
went in to a different area, completely new to us, and actually it
was behind a cemetery, and so we walked and when we found potential footprints.
Can't say for sure, but they seemed to be about a consistent size
and shape. We're about six foot apart each and every one, and we
found more of them together. And it's really just like impressions and only used
there nothing you can cast, unfortunately, but it's just something we're keeping an
eye out for. But we're walking together and I had separated a little bit
from them, we were visual range of each other, and I stepped into
kind of this dark area the forest where it's a little bit clear under the
underbrush, but a really thick canopyt and so it was dark enner. As
soon as I stepped in there, all the hairs on my neck go up,
and I get this real strong feeling of being watched, and so I
freeze and I'm looking around, and then to my left I watched them also
enter into this area, and I see them have the exact same reaction that
I do, which is solid confirmation that their experience and the same thing that
I am. They breathe and I'm looking at them, and then we get
a knock over to our left and it's pretty loud. Then we get one
in front of us, and they happening two or three times, go back
and forth, and then there's one to our right that happens, and then
they get a rocks thrown. That's all on the audio and I sent you
like a condensed version. And then this knocking goes on pretty loud for about
minutes or so. Then it stops, and down this hill where some of
the Nazi had happened, we hear a bunch of CROs that just go crazy
and they start calling and making a big loud noise, and that's the end
of that experience. But I had condensed down and put a lot of the
docks together for you, and it was pretty impressive. You're pretty excited about
that. And I actually went back to that spot in October of last year
by myself and had my second potential sighting. I was by myself and walking
through and I come to about the same area, and I start getting that
ceiling and being washed again, and I'm looking around and I actually had brought
an apple with me and i'd set it down and was offering as a little
gift or whatever. And I looked up and in front of me, I
see this dark black in a round shape, maybe the size of the basketball,
a little bit bigger, but it's got like a conical point to it.
And I'm looking at it and it looks like it's sticking up over this
the steep hill. And I'm looking at I'm like, well, that's weird.
It's really standing out. And I'm like, but it's probably just like
a burnout logged or something to dead rotten log And so I looked down to
grab my phone because I'm going to try and pull up the camera and zoom
in see if I get a clear bak sure, and when I look back
up, it's gone. So whatever it was disappeared. I for sure saw
something and it was then gone. So I don't know. It was black,
far darker than like raccoons or anything. And we don't really have anything
in Indiana that's that color, so I can't say for sure, but it
was a very dark thing. That I don't know what it was. I
don't know what else it could be. Let's talk a little bit about the
Knox. This is one of the things that kept coming up over and over
when I was up in radium when we were hearing knocks. Todd Standing has
this theory that they're not doing wood on wood knocks, they're using rocks and
hitting the sides of trees. And I can tell you I did this a
couple of times while I was up there. We had a wooden carved out
bat kind of made knocker, if you will, that we would use to
hit on stumps when we were getting activity, and it sounded out pretty good.
By the end of the seven days, i'd gotten pretty good. I
knew exactly which stump to hit, I knew what kind of sound it was
going to make, but what we were hearing sounded a little different than that.
I couldn't be for certain if what I was hearing was a rock on
a tree. It could have been either or I'm still up in the air.
But it's never really made sense to me. I say that, but
I've heard a couple of accounts where people have seen these things, either carrying
a log or a stick of some sort while they're crossing the road, or
even in the woods when the people have sightings. But in and of itself,
it just doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Think about you being
out I know I'm out here hiking on my property a lot, and I'm
in plenty of areas. If somebody looked at me and said, do a
wood knock, I would walk around for fifteen minutes trying to find something that
I could possibly use to produce this sort of sound. So I say all
that to say it makes more sense to me that something may be carrying a
rock of size to make these noises. Is what you guys are hearing and
what you've got recorded, And I'll certainly for everybody listening, I'll put this
up on the website. You can go over to the sasquatch Otasy blog Parnomorld
Productions dot com. Check it out at the top. I'll have all the
photos posted there for you to take a look at. But just for now,
can you talk a little bit about what these knocks sound like. Does
it sound like it's wood on wood, Does it sound like it could be
a rock on wood? And other people have even proposed I do this cheek
pop thing that sounds very similar. I was doing that in Canada and guys
some response his back out of doing the cheek pop that I was doing.
So talk a little bit about the sounds that you're hearing. What does it
sound like to you, what's your theory on what they're using and maybe even
why they're doing it. Yeah, I'm right there with Yet it doesn't run
the gambit. It sounds like different things at different times. I don't think
I have ever heard anything that is that baseball back kind of cracked on wood.
So I don't think that for the majority of times that they are just
swinging logs up against the other trees. The truth is probably somewhere a little
bit of all of it. I've definitely heard things that sounds like rocks on
trees. I think the mouthpop theory makes a lot of sense, and they
may occasionally pick up logs and hit those, but most of the time you
grab just a random stick or something, then it's going to fall apart.
They're not hardened there, They're not going to make a great sound. Some
people say that they're just using their hands. We don't typically make knocks while
we're out there. Usually we're just walking along again, we'll start hearing them.
Occasionally, when that happens, we might do a response and see if
they'll respond back to us, and that's about fifty to fifty. Sometimes they
will, sometimes they won't. The best luck that I had, honestly is
doing real light tapping. There are a few times where I'll carry like a
little geode and I'll tap that against a hard, pretty trunk. There was
one time in particular where we're down this hill. After I did that,
we heard it back, and then it started coming straight towards us, and
we did a couple of times, and it came right up to the crest
of the hill where it could peek over, and at that point everything stopped
or when anymore sounds any more responses. But we have had our best luck
not doing like loud knocks, but just little light tacks. That's what we
hear most of the time, but sometimes it is louder and definitely here while
you're walking around. One of the last things I'm looking at in your email
that you send us, I love how you worded it. It's called weirdness
at Dougs from April this year, So can you take us to Dougs and
talk about what kind of weirdness you guys experienced while you were there. Yeah.
I was out with a friend and he owns this big farm. It's
out in the it's a big cornfield, but he's just got like a little
pond can out there and a little hatch and you're a little hot when we're
out there, just having a fire in the late spring with this year,
and it was like eleven o'clock at night and we're out there just chilling by
the fire. I'd brought the audio recorders because that's what I do. His
property sits next to a state park, big wooded area, and in the
past I have seen some things on his property that could be potential structures,
but they're maybe thirty forty percent just enough to keep me interested. We were
out there late at night, and I had the audio recorder out. We
were actually getting ready to pack it in, and so I had the audio
recorder with us by the fire. And then we start hearing these sounds off
in the distance from the direction of the state park, and according to Google
max, it's about a mile of the distance. And we're hearing these noises
and we're like, oh, Okay, those are coyotes. Then they get
this weird blah like nope, change in them at the end, and then
we do start hearing coyotes with it. But there were three calls that I
captured on the audio recorder and they're real saint. They're not great. I
really wish my audio recorder had been out in that direction, but I don't
think they were owls given the distance. But I did send it off to
Mangahela and he had to listen at it, and he said it's really too
faint for him to say either way. I'm just gonna have to be more
skeptically and say it probably is owls, even though it sounds weird. But
he couldn't say for sure. He said he he wishes it was louder and
then he can tell me. But it was definitely. It was one of
the coolers eyes that I've got, and so I have it looped like three
times each of those calls and you can hear them. I definitely recommend headphones
because it is the ways off unfortunately, but yeah, they were really cool.
As my first intentional the long call that has that wow sound at the
end. You sent me those audio recording so let me play those for the
audience right now, some towards the end of this it's about three and a
half minutes or so. Some of these are going to be looped three times.
That's why you're going to hear it back to back, so you can
hopefully pick up what Luke is talking about here and what he recorded, and
stay tuned for more Sasquatch out to see. We'll be right back after these
messages. Yeah, I can, but they like you get you back.
Anything can be a sport. Something up from Did you hear that? Yeah?
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uh, it's not trees creaking together. No, I'm not the sort go
up. I say, if we can hear a sher than, I see,
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what's that? Script? Fare? Script fare script fare. Let's talk a
little bit about this is fresh on my mind because shameless book plug Sasquatch unleashed.
The truth behind the legend is finished. It's went to the publisher.
It should be out shortly after the beginning of twenty twenty four and one of
the things I talk about in the book is it's not a simple but bigfoot
on the brain, right, That's one of the things that comes up.
Often people go out and they're looking for bigfoot in the woods, they're looking
for sign of Sasquatch. It happens to all of us. I think it's
happened to me. You know. I passed by literally today, I was
walking the dogs on the path and I look over and I see this huge
X and these two trees are put in this area. One of them didn't
fall there. I haven't checked to see if the other one fell there,
but it looks like they've been placed there. And I literally laughed out loud
at myself and said, dude, you got big foot on the brain.
It's just an X that just happens. But there's a whole lot of psychology
that goes into that, and I talk a lot about that in the book.
When I start talking about evidence and looking at the totality of the evidence.
It's one of the things I did was go way back in the history.
I talk about the Native American and First Nations people, the history they
have, the oral traditions passed on there, some of the early sightings and
some of the well known stories albert osman Abe Canyon, those things. You
started looking at the totality the evidence that's out there, and I'm still on
the fence. I'm still skeptical about the whole thing. It all boils down
to me, Why is it do you think that we are still here twenty
twenty three, about to go into twenty twenty four, and these things aren't
recognized. People see them all the time. I can't even say they're undiscovered
anymore. I used to use that verbage. I can't really say that,
because they're literally discovered every time somebody comes to my show and says that they've
seen one. If these people aren't crazy, they're not making their stories up.
It didn't happen in their mind. They had an encounter with something.
They can't explain that it's potentially a sasquatch. They're not undiscovered. People discover
them a thousand times a year when they see them. But to be recognized
by science, we're nowhere near that finish line. So I say to you,
as a researcher and somebody who's really interested in the subject, maybe had
a couple of potential sightings, hearing these weird things, seeing these weird things.
What is it about the phenomenon do you think prevents them from being discovered?
Do you think that there may be something more to them? You and
I talked about that in the beginning, about them being flesh and blood.
You certainly I don't want to put words in your mouth on the air.
You can talk about whether whether you believe they're flesh and blood or do you
believe in the high strangeness in Bigfoot. That's a whole nother conversation when you
start putting those kind of stories out there. But let's just stick to if
you believe they're flesh and blood, why is it that, whether it be
in Indiana or British Columbia or here in North Carolina, why don't we have
definitive proof that they're real? And why have we not been able to truly
get them recognized by science? For sure? I really wish I knew.
I try and stay more on the flesh and blood side. When I'm sitting
at home, I'm real skeptical about the expanses that I've had. Then it's
like, does that really happen? Am I just leading myself on is this
just a lot of normal, everyday animals doing extraordinary things or is this something
more? And when you get out there and you start having these experiences,
and if you're familiar with how normal deer, any boxes and coyotes and things
behave, it doesn't add up. There's something more going on. And I
really don't have an answer for why we can't catch up to them where they
go, because it's crazy that we haven't got this all sort of A lot
of people have these really extraordinary experiences where you know, they have mind speak,
they have them jumping into porls or going invisible or onto the spaceships,
and I haven't experienced any impact. It's not to say that stuff isn't happening.
It would be a really nice convenient answer, I think for some of
it, put it in a box. We love our boxes, and this
one just doesn't seem to want to stick in a box. I struggle a
little bit with that, trying to stay with the flesh and bud, but
I haven't experienced those other phenomenon. Weird things happen in the woods, and
I've definitely had weird experiences in the woods, but I can't make that one
to one correlation that that was Bigfoot? Did it? If you see you
go out to a park in isolated place at night, strange light in the
woods and then you see deer in the woods, does that mean the deer
and the lights are related or are they just happening andy the same area and
they're more observable in that situation. I don't know that they're connected. I
just haven't had that experience. But I think people are having these experiences for
sure, and they're seeing things. They're seeing lights, they're having things move
around them making noises, and I just don't know what that means, but
it could be they could be helpathic and talking to certain people and not to
other people. I've not had that experience. I would love to, I
would absolutely love to, but I just haven't. So I'm open to it.
I want it to happen. Until it does happen, I just I
can't make that commandment, and so I softly in the flesh and blood gain
very well, said my friend. It sounds like we're rowing in the same
boat. I definitely appreciate you coming on and sharing your experiences and sharing your
evidence. Like I said, we'll have that posted on some of the socials.
You can always get it at the sasquortch Otasy blog over on Paranormoralproductions dot
com. Look, I've had a blast talking to you, man. I
really appreciate you coming on. I appreciate it. I love just talking about
the subject. Anybody who will listen, that's my job, man, I'm
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