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I can't imagine what went through your mind,

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what you were doing. The sheer
fucking terror that that little girl was

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going through, absolute terror. She
knew that she was going to fucking knew

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it. She stared her kill her
in the fucking eyes. Hello. In

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can't be a bad thing. Sprawled
across the western edge of Florida's Panhandle,

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surrounded by over fifty miles of coastline
sits the well known city of Pensacola.

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It's a city that's mostly known for
its beautiful beaches and for attracting surfers and

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camper van travelers. Well, it's
true that Pensacola has no shortage of surfer

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bros and hipsters. The majority of
its population aren't beach bums. Most of

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the people of Pensacola are just everyday
Americans that do what every day Americans typically

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do. They go to work.
Around four pm. On May thirty first,

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twenty seventeen, a thirty eight year
old man named Robert Howard was planning

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to do just that. Robert had
just walked out of his girlfriend's Pensacola apartment

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and was planning to make an hour
long commute to work when he was stopped

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in the apartment complex's parking lot by
two women. When I deserved everything,

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I came out the door. When
I came up do I came downstairs.

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That's when for Lukero's mom, another
older lady stopped asking me if I had

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seen little girl that's him. No, I just came out of apartment and

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that's what she's daughters. Now.
I talked within for a few minutes and

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that's the last. I'm not being
brute, but I got to go to

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work out there. The two women
asked Robert about a young girl that they

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believed to be missing. One of
those young women was the girl's mother,

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and her name was Shantara Hurry.
Later that day, Shantara contacted her local

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police department and reported her daughter missing. When police first began looking into this

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situation, they questioned the last person
to have supposedly seen the missing girl,

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which happened to be her ten year
old brother, Emmanuel. She to tell

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me more about that had in Naomi
to look in an thank you for telling

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me about that. She Naomi Jones
had recently celebrated her twelfth birthday and she

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lived in a small apartment with her
mom and two younger brothers. According to

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her brother Emmanuel, on the day
that Naomi went missing, she and her

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brothers had just finished walking their dog. They returned home and all three of

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them went inside the apartment, But
then Naomi went back outside by herself and

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didn't return. What was going on
before she left? What was going on?

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She was At the time of Naomi's
disappearance, Naomi and her two younger

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brothers were home alone. Little twelve
year old Naomi was looking after her two

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younger brothers, which wasn't an ideal
situation, but it was oftentimes the only

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option. Naomi's mom was just eighteen
years old when Naomi was born, and

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she was single. To support her
kids, she worked two jobs. Usually

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hiring a nanny or finding a relative
to look after the children wasn't an option,

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so big sister Naomi picked up the
slack and took care of things while

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her mom was at work. She
leading kids and work two jobs. Them

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kids be at home by the seal, But you got Naomi watching two little

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ows like she grown. Would you
say Naomi's a responsible twelve year old or

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would you she's a typical twelve year
old? I said she responsible. That

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girl had a sweet girl at nowhere, so you's got no problem. Also

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who she can keep her grades?
She can go to school. In a

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lot of ways, Naomi was an
exceptional twelve year old according to the adults

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in her life. Naomi was caring, smart, ambitious, and especially mature

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for her age. Naomi dreamed of
becoming a doctor or nurse, and she

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had a mind for science. One
of her hobbies included using household ingredients to

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make different forms of slime, yes
slime, and the clip you're about to

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hear, Naomi is creating a YouTube
video and teaching her audience how they can

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also create slime. Midway through the
recording, one of her younger brothers plays

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a practical joke on her by snatching
away her camera and running off with it.

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So dison rye was actually made with
that sounds like some After Naomi was

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reported missing, the Escambia County Sheriff's
Office began their search effort, and they

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clearly took this case very seriously,
as they alerted every local media station and

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held several press conferences. You know, those of you that have seen Naomi's

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picture, she's the all American girl. I mean, she's a child that

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you would want in your home.
That's the bright face you look at across

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the breakfast table every morning and give
a kiss to before she goes to school.

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To tell you that these cases are
heartbreaking is to state it in the

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minimum. For police and just about
anyone who knew Naomi, there was a

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detail about this case that strongly suggested
foul play and that Naomi wasn't just a

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runaway. On the day that Naomi
went missing, she walked out of the

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apartment. She left without her cell
phone. Like most girls her age,

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Naomi's cell phone was usually glued to
her hand, but on that particular day,

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she just left it behind. Tell
me how come Toaomi didn't take her

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phone. I think it was because
she wasn't she for Okay? What makes

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you think that because she takes her
from Nobody could say why Naomi went back

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outside on her own that day,
but she clearly didn't plan to be gone

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for long. If she had,
Naomi almost certainly would have taken her cell

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phone with her. As the search
effort to find Naomi continued, detectives at

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the Escambia County Sheriff's Office questioned a
lot of people. Among those people was

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Naomi's mom's ex boyfriend, Arthur Bruce, who was no stranger to law enforcement.

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In fact, when cops picked him
up, there was an active warrant

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for his arrest, but it wasn't
for anything too serious. Apparently, Arthur

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had been previously busted with some marijuana
and was subsequently placed on probation. Arthur

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then violated that probation and a warrant
was issued for his arrest. Nonetheless,

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when Arthur was brought in for questioning, he was cooperative and agreed to speak

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with detectives about Naomi. During his
interview, Arthur echoed how strange it was

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that Naomi had left without her cell
phone. Let me tell you so,

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Naomi no know where Sir naing hoomie. Don't go outside like that, nag

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only like the phone. She liked
aprulas. She liked to be in a

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room. The phone was left in
the house. That don't sound right.

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It just don't fucking sound right.
I don't fucking head up. Detectives in

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this case had two very good reasons
to question Arthur Bruce. The first,

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and the most obvious, was that
he was Naomi's mom's ex and he knew

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Naomi pretty well. The second,
and much more concerning reason was that,

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despite being the ex boyfriend, Arthur
was still communicating with Naomi through text messages.

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While there was plenty of room for
plausible deniability, some of Arthur's conversations

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with Naomi could have been considered inappropriate
for a grown man to have with a

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twelve year old girl. Naomi birthday
were free to come up. She asked

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me for a pound space Jam Jordan's
shoes and I went over Naomi text you

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wanting shirtain shoes? Yeah, she
wanted the shoes, the space jams.

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And I said, since you've been
good and you kept your grades up,

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I said, listen to your mama, obey your mama, follow what your

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mama say, and I get you
some shoes. And she just wanted that

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one thing. It was there some
space jam Jordan's Arthur asked Naomi what her

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shirt and shoe sizes this were,
and according to Arthur, the only reason

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he asked her that question was because
she wanted those things for her birthday.

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This conversation apparently led to some conflict
when Naomi's mom learned about it. Did

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she text you from Naomi's phone getting
upset with you for you text the name

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Naomi? Yeah, she told me
not to text Naomi. I asked Naomi

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what side she will, and Naomi
went to ask the mother, and her

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mother came and said, don't take
Naomi no more, don't takes us no

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more, don't get in contact with
us no more, such as such,

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and you can see on the text. I said, I respect that.

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I understand that. I said,
y'all have a good day, blessed day.

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I don't want no problems. Alice
a god. When we talked to

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Chanterra, human sounded like you was
you and you were reaching out to Naomi

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and almost a sexual way or you
know all and see you see what you

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see what I'm saying? Naturally,
Arthur denied the accusation that anything he said

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to Naomi was meant as a sexual
advance towards her. Interestingly, when asked

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what he thought happened to Naomi,
Arthur had his own theory, whatever going

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on your feeling? What do you
think happened? I'm gonna tell you something.

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This shocks me, and I wish
y'all really call it that. I

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call her the night you called me
and first name, and she said,

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you want to stand by room seventy
dollars? All this right here? What

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he are you talking about some money
right now? When your daughter missing?

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We ain't talking about no money right
now? I said, what's going on

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in Naomi? Don't worry about it? And I couldn't even talk to her.

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I just hung the phone up.
Okay, you think Sean Terra would

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hurt her own daughter? I think
that would happen. Man and that's all

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cover up. Some I'm just in
my bone. Man, I just feel

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like it ain't right because I think
the mother knows more than she knows.

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Man. I don't disagree with you, but right down there, right now,

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it's Shaan Terra. It's just I
mean, she's like flatlined. She

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don't show no emotions. She she
got Naomi something well. Arthur seemingly suspected

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that Naomi's mom had something to do
with Naomi's disappearance, which was a theory

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that detectives had considered for a mom
whose twelve year old daughter was missing.

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Shintera hurry, seemed pretty composed,
and her calm demeanor was on full display

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during her many media appearances. If
Naomi is out there, if anybody is

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watching that has my baby, I
just need you to brank her back home.

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My number is all over social media
right now. Just please bring my

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baby home. Something else that struck
detectives as strange was the story that they

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got from Naomi's brother, Emmanuel.
Initially, Emmanuel told police that when Naomi

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left the apartment, he was in
his bedroom lying down. He claimed that

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he hadn't actually witnessed Naomi walk out
the door, but he later changed his

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story. So you saw her leave, okay, so that was when she

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just played left to me to see
her again here where I'm confused because you

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told me earlier that you were asleep
when she left, But now you're telling

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me that you heard her tell you
that she forgot something you saw her leave,

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So those are two different things.
Help me understand. How come you

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told me something different before? What
did mom say about coming here? Did

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she tell you anything else? Has
anybody asked you to not talk about stuff

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or tell you to keep secrets or
anything like that. Emmanuel was asked pointed

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questions about his mom because there was
a possibility that he had been coached and

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instructed to lie about Naomi's disappearance.
But if that was the case, then

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detectives were never able to get a
manual to admit it. There's the theories

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of what happened to Naomi Jones began
to stack up. The effort to find

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her continued. By June twenty seventeen, Naomi had been missing for over three

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days. We've conducted three hundred interviews, thirty search warrants. We've gone not

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one mile, not two miles,
but to three mile radius. We've checked

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our waterways, We've checked a lot
of Facebook posts. We've got about two

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hundred plus tips. We've ritten down
each one of those tips. We do

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hope that and we pray that you
guys will the media will put this information

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out not just locally, but regionally
and then nationally, because right at this

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point, we really do not know
what happened to Naomi. Hundreds of volunteers

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came out to assist the search effort
to find Naomi, and for nearly a

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week, Naomi's family and friends anxiously
awaited for answers as they prayed for Naomi's

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safe return. It wasn't until the
fifth day that the search came to an

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abrupt end, when a simple fisherman
came across something that he wouldn't soon forget.

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It was on that day that the
tragic fate of twelve year old Naomi

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Jones was finally revealed. In June
of twenty seventeen, twelve year old Naomi

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Jones went missing from the Aspen Village
Apartments in Pensacola, Florida, where she

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lived with her mom and two younger
brothers. In response to Naomi's disappearance,

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the Escambia County Sheriff's office launched a
massive and highly organized search effort, but

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after three days of relentless searching,
there was still no sign of Naomi.

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Is continuing in the pressure, you
know, to try to find Naomi Jones.

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I wish this morning we had some
you know, good news for you.

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Unfortunately we do not. The search
continues today. We want to thank

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all those folks that are involved.
You know, we got Cavilian agencies here,

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the Class Kids Foundation, which has
had over one hundred and fifty volunteers

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from around the nation, by the
way, to come and help us in

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our search for Naomi. I will
tell you the community in the nation that

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we are triple checking at this point
areas that we have been over. As

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the days dragged on, Naomi's younger
brothers struggled to understand the possibility that Naomi

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may never be found and that she
may never be coming home. Do you

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have any worries about Naomi? How
long has she been gone for? Three

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days? How are you feeling about
that? Sad? Yeah? Yeah.

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As for the adults in Naomi's life, they held on to hope that Naomi

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would be found and that she would
be safely returned to her family, a

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little girl missing, somebody around here. Know what the fuck going on might

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be with a grown man, But
I just, deep in my heart don't

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believe Naomi gone. She ain't gone. As the search for Naomi continued,

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detectives as sign of the case continued
asking questions. Eventually they ended up speaking

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with a young man named Jermaine Portis, who sometimes went by the nickname Man

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Man. What's your What days do
you usually work out there? What's your

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work schedule? Nay, sometime be
all that Monday to Tuesday, some time

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Tuesday and Wednesday. At the time
of this police interview, Jermaine Portis was

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twenty three years old and he worked
as a dishwasher and busboy at a nearby

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motel. The detectives assigned to the
Naomi Jones case were led to Germaine through

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Naomi's phone records. Your Facebook page
has a phone number associated with it,

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Okay, that phone number has been
texting Naomi, the missing girl. In

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order to create a Facebook account,
a person needs to provide a phone number

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or an email address. In Jermaine's
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he used a phone number, and
that phone number had recently exchanged text

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messages with Naomi. Yet, Jermaine
denied that he knew Naomi at all,

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and he couldn't explain how or why
Naomi had the phone number that was linked

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to his Facebook. In fact,
Jermaine claimed that the phone number wasn't even

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his and it belonged to his older
sister. Yeah, because I don't know

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how my social number ended up in
ligor phone. I don't know. I

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don't know. I don't know how
that numbers. How old is Liquita?

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She loved to sem to me,
would there be any does she still have

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that number? So when was the
last time you had access for her phone?

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It's been so loone. I don't
know, man, the young witch

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like I really don't like and if
so, and if I did was to

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get on her phone, it wasn't
like six and the girl whoever was she?

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I don't, I don't. I
don't even know the girl, you

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know what I'm saying. I don't
even know how that number and her phone

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period. Jermaine explained that when he
created his Facebook page, he didn't have

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a phone, so he just used
his sister's number to set up the account.

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While that seemed plausible, it still
didn't explain why Naomi had that number

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in her phone. So, after
hearing Jermaine's explanation, or rather his lack

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of one, the detectives began asking
him about his whereabouts on the day that

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Naomi went missing. This didn't go
well for Jermaine. Go ahead and tell

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me about your day Wednesday, the
thirty first, which you did from the

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time he woke up. I was
broken, all broken. Okay, what's

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your schedule? What time did you
go in? I'm going if I have

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in the morning. Okay. Naomi
went missing on May thirty first at around

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one thirty pm. Jermaine's typical work
shift was five am to one pm,

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leaving him plenty of time to make
his way over to Naomi's apartment. At

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the same time, Jermaine couldn't even
give a straight answer as to whether he

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even worked that day at all.
And you're positive and you went to work

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that day, If it's not,
I was off. I don't know.

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But either way to go, Honestly, I'm trying to get storing out of

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it. But either way to go, I don't know who. I've been

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wander the same thing every day and
I'll just hang out with my friends and

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stuff like that. Okay, with
these kind of situations, we're talking to

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a lot of different people and generalizing
I do the same thing every day in

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this situation, isn't gonna cut it. Maybe I went to work, maybe

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I didn't, Maybe I saw some
friends, maybe I didn't. Dumb criminals

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lie about all the wrong things,
don't they. And as far as alibis

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go, Jermaine's was about as ambiguous
as you could get. The cops don't

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like that, by the way,
and when they pushed him about it,

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the only thing Jermaine could say was
that he never met Naomi and he had

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no idea who she even was.
Unfortunately for him, detectives had information that

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suggested otherwise. We talked to one
of your neighbors and they said that they've

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seen Naomi come to your house a
few times. He's findings to me because

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people still up pointing fingers the same
things. But where is she? I

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don't know. Nobody else I know, but I don't know one person.

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Therefore, you shouldn't say you've seen
a girl color of my house. You've

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never seen a girl comet of my
house. No, in the past,

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they've seen it in the past.
I never seen it in the pet.

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I never seen the girl period,
I know seeing him. Not only had

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his neighbors supposedly spotted Naomi at your
Man's house, but according to detectives,

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another witness placed your mane at Naomi's
apartment complex on the day she went missing.

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She's there were some people there with
her on the thirty first, and

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they said that man Man was over
there that morning, That's what they said.

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And I wasn't. So you're sure
you are worth that day, yep.

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But if I wasn't, I was
not wrong. I mean, if

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you could explain, yeah, okay, I went over the farmor that morning,

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but I didn't have anything idea with
it if I was sitting room.

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But I can't slaggle it because I
wasn't there. I don't know. Y'all

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just can't like get me messed up
behind something that I really ain't got nothing

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to do with, you know what
I'm saying. So even if it was

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to go further off y'all seeing me
around somebody or whatever, I didn't do

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another room. I didn't. I
know what I did. Confidently, Jermaine

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maintained that had nothing to do with
Naomi's disappearance, and that he had never

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even met her. After a few
hours of questioning and a whole lot of

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denial, Jermaine was sent home and
he remained a potential suspect. Within hours

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of Germaine leaving the police station,
the case took a sudden turn. Twelve

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year old Naomi Jones had finally been
found. Naomi Jones was found in eight

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Mile Creek Monday morning. She had
been missing for five days. The Sheriff's

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office is based on the preliminary autopsy, she had been killed within the first

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twenty four to thirty six hours after
her abduction. The area where she was

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found has turned into a growing memorial. However, that spot is not where

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she was killed, according to the
Sheriff's office. As sheriff would not go

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into detail about how she died,
only that her cause of death is asphyxiation.

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Five days after she was first reported
missing, a local fisherman found Naomi's

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small and lifeless body lying under a
bridge in a creek about ten miles from

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the apartment complex where she lived.
Naomi was found partially submerged. She was

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wearing the same tank top she had
on when she went missing, but she

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was nude from the waist down.
Later, an autopsy revealed that Naomi died

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of exphyxiation. The medical examiner concluded
that she had likely been strangled to death.

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For the detectives that saw and pulled
Naomi's body out of the creek,

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it was a day and an event
that they will likely never forget. He

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said that even to look like that
pretty little girl skin slipping all paraphone off

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her head animal was leading honor.
She'll never get to grow up, do

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things that she wanted to do,
hang out with her friends, go to

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school, find a boyfriend, get
married, have kids. At just twelve

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years old, Naomi's life had ended. All of her aspirations and the potential

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of who she could have become was
lost forever. When the news broke,

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the local community rallied behind Naomi's family, and hundreds of people attended a vigil

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to honor Naomi and support Naomi's mom. I would love to thank you all

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for coming out today. It means
the world to me to know that every

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single one of you took your time
out of your day to come down here.

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We're nothing to me here. The
search for Naomi had ended, but

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now the hunt was on to find
her killer. During the search and throughout

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the investigation, the police questioned hundreds
of people, but their best lead came

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when they interviewed a young man named
Robert Howard. When Naomi's mom first learned

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that her daughter was missing, she
rushed home from work and called Naomi's grandmother.

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Together, the two of them began
knocking on every door in her apartment

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complex, asking the residence if they'd
seen Naomi. As they were doing this,

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they ran into Robert just as he
was on his way to work.

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My way out, I ran into
I don't know who the girl's mom name

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or her and another older lady and
that's when she asked me, have I

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seen her door? And I'm like, well, no, ma'am. I

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just came out the apartment and she
was like, well, it's my door

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and I'm like, well no,
ma'am. She's like, well, she's

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missing. And I stood there and
talked with them four a minute before I

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left. So you hadn't seen Naomi. Do you know who Naomi is?

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Yeah? I know it's saftly who
she is. I see her? Well,

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did you see her? Every time? We're hearing it out the department

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m her and her brother being out
there playing with a doll, or they're

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on that back balcony, they're in
between apartments playing. Had you seen her

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all that day? No? No? Okay. Thirty eight year old Robert

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Howard lived and worked in Bruton,
Alabama, which was about an hour away

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from the apartment complex where Naomi lived, but Robert would often spend days at

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a time at his girlfriend's apartment,
which was just a few doors away from

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Naomi's apartment. Your girlfriend listening apartment? And what's her name again? Lauren?

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Lauren? Youw what is it?
Lauren Ewing? And you guys have

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a child together or right? One
year old? Okay? How old is

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the Lauren? Lauren's thirty? Yes? Howland are you now? Thirty eight?

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How long have you been involved with
Lauren? A couple of years.

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According to Robert, he and his
girlfriend Lauren had dated for over two years

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and they had a child together,
yet they lived an hour apart. For

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detectives, this seemed like an odd
arrangement, but they did confirm that all

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of it was true when they spoke
to Lauren. How long have you been

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with Robert? Not two years?
Okay? In does Robert live with you?

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So explain to me how that works
out because he's had been brutin at

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work and he also keeps the place
up there too. Given that Robert frequently

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stayed at Lauren's apartment and that the
two of them were basically Naomi's neighbors,

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the cops wanted to find out exactly
what they did on the day that Naomi

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went missing. As for Lauren,
her day was pretty easy to track and

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verify. Lauren went to work in
the morning and didn't return until the early

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evening. She left her apartment while
Naomi was still accounted for and didn't return

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until long after Naomi went missing.
So Lauren seemed to be in the clear.

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Okay. So when you went that
morning at six, was Robert there?

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Yes? Okay? And when you
got home was Robert there? No?

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Okay? All right, Now,
that night, I guess you probably

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would have come home and gone to
sleep at some point. Is that fair

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to say? Do you remember him
coming home to your house after you had

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been to sleep? Yes? Okay? What did he do? Robert told

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investigators that on the day that Naomi
went missing, he woke up at Lauren's

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apartment, went to the gym,
and then returned to the apartment. Then

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he drove to Lauren's work to quickly
visit her, which Lauren later confirmed.

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After that, Robert returned to the
apartment one more time and prepared to go

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to work. You work at Free
Car. Yes, what is your schedule

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at work? Fortnights shift William on
time, Swing three thirty and five.

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Did you work that Wednesday that Naomi
went missing? The initial night? Yes,

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I got to work maybe like Swing
five fifteen, five thirty somewhere from

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there, I'm gonna say, out
of the department, around four to thirty.

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Robert was a night shift employee at
a large train repair facility on the

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night in question, and on most
nights, Robert worked alongside only one other

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employee. So you worked with Robert? I heard that you two are the

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only two at night? Yes,
okay? All right? Was three or

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five to one, two o'clock in
the morning or eleven o'clock and I his

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fans don't sweetles, okay. According
to his coworker, Robert did show up

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to work on the evening that nailed
me Jones went missing, and he worked

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a full shift. Presumably, had
Robert abducted and murdered Naomi earlier that day,

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he almost certainly would have been acting
differently or showing some signs that he

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did something horrible, right, and
I clot me in. He was there,

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He was ready at five thirty when
he gather there. How is he

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acting like his normal self? I
mean just like every day. I mean,

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I ain't see no difference. The
stars are now, we look in

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a paperwater, you know, we
laugh and telling you what we did with

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the weekend. Just I mean,
just like a normal version. As far

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as this coworker could tell, Robert
seemed like his same old self. But

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as investigators began looking into the type
of that Robert was, they quickly learned

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that Robert was pretty good at keeping
secrets. During his interview, Robert admitted

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that, in addition to dating Lauren
and having a child with her and pretty

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much living at her apartment, Robert
was also dating another woman. She was

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thirty seven year old Yolanda Mitchell.
What kind of relationship, PM? Where

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we miss around? I'm kind of
how old is she? Assume Lauren doesn't

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know what I to come. I
got you this a little sum on the

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side. I got you. It
turned out that on the day that Naomi

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Jones went missing, Robert visited Yolanda
on his way to work. Yolanda had

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just come from a funeral and needed
a shoulder to cry on, if you

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know what I mean. So Robert
obliged. What was your relationship with him?

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Friends? Blitting red and okay,
nobody really knew about our relationship,

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Okay, on the phone with you
this time frame to be seeing nervous,

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weird and now he when I call, When I called him when I got

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out of that funeral, he was
very supportive, very encouraging. Like I

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literally broke down crying because, like
I said, I just walked out the

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funeral and I literally broke down crying. And he's like, it's okay,

405
00:38:35,039 --> 00:38:37,119
baby, cry, that's what you
need to do. Just cry. It's

406
00:38:37,159 --> 00:38:43,440
gonna be okay. All of that. That's our whole conversation. If you

407
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:46,599
can look beyond the fact that Robert
was cheating on the mother of his child,

408
00:38:47,559 --> 00:38:52,119
you might be inclined to think that
maybe he's a decent guy. After

409
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:58,360
all, Offering emotional support to someone
that just left a funeral is a kind

410
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:05,840
and decent thing to do. Unfortunately, for Robert, the investigators knew better.

411
00:39:06,599 --> 00:39:09,559
They've been around the block for a
while. They've seen a few things.

412
00:39:10,639 --> 00:39:15,679
They knew a lot of things in
fact that Robert and his friends and

413
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:22,960
girlfriends didn't know. They knew that
this man wasn't decent at all. Robert

414
00:39:23,039 --> 00:39:30,880
Howard was a registered sex offender and
had previously spent fifteen years in prison.

415
00:39:31,559 --> 00:39:36,320
What is your background in your history? When I was in hot well,

416
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:39,760
when I got out of high school
and a girls missed around, she got

417
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:45,679
breagnant and her so I say,
I got well, I copped out because

418
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:49,199
I didn't have no money to try
to afford to Wiliams, So I had

419
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:53,440
to cop out a fifteen years How
old were you at eighteen years old?

420
00:39:53,840 --> 00:40:02,440
What year was a nineteen ninety eight? What was the charge? Yes,

421
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:08,119
that was an Alabama Yes. Robert
claimed that the nineteen year old woman that

422
00:40:08,199 --> 00:40:14,599
accused him of rape had lied to
the police, and Robert was unable to

423
00:40:14,679 --> 00:40:19,880
afford a good attorney, so he
had no choice but to accept the plea

424
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:24,960
deal from the Alabama prosecutor. Of
course, that story is kind of hard

425
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:30,000
to believe when you consider that Robert
was later convicted of raping yet another woman.

426
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:36,760
Was there another charge that you had
in your Yeah, it was saying

427
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:37,920
the same thing it was just another
girl, could he And they was like

428
00:40:38,039 --> 00:40:43,400
basically like, I didn't this the
same thing to this other girl? You

429
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:47,039
got a pregnant or are you just
just mess around and see say I made

430
00:40:47,039 --> 00:40:52,199
her? And it's the same time
that this other girl said the same thing?

431
00:40:52,559 --> 00:40:54,199
So you were how was old?
It was this girl same age?

432
00:40:55,320 --> 00:41:00,960
To sum up, detectives were questioning
a twice convey did rapist that was pretty

433
00:41:01,079 --> 00:41:07,199
much living at the same apartment complex
as twelve year old Naomi Jones. As

434
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:15,159
bad as all that looked, Robert's
criminal history in his living arrangements didn't exactly

435
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:20,360
prove that he abducted and murdered Naomi. What could prove it, though,

436
00:41:21,159 --> 00:41:27,760
or at least help convince a jury, was Robert's early morning visit to the

437
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:35,639
area where Naomi's body was found.
Were you in that area or over that

438
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:43,679
way on last Wednesday the thirty first? When you drive? I have a

439
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:52,800
silver altimate. Naomi's body was found
under a small bridge over eight Mile Creek

440
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:59,800
in Pensacola, about ten miles from
where Naomi lived. As luck would have

441
00:42:00,039 --> 00:42:05,599
bit, there are several traffic surveillance
cameras in that area. What what if

442
00:42:05,639 --> 00:42:10,559
I were to tell you that your
car was in the area where her body

443
00:42:10,639 --> 00:42:17,360
was found that night. That's impossible
because it could have been Tell me what

444
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:22,679
because when I have my car,
this see at work, when I live

445
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:25,559
work, it comes straight back to
Johnson Avenue. I was a part of

446
00:42:25,639 --> 00:42:30,480
it. Did anybody else have your
car? Then no one ever has my

447
00:42:30,599 --> 00:42:34,199
car. If we were just o
peening, your phone records are gonna show

448
00:42:34,199 --> 00:42:42,480
you in that area. That area. Detectives had irrefutable evidence that Robert drove

449
00:42:42,599 --> 00:42:47,559
to eight Mile Creek about twelve hours
after Naomi's disappearance. Not only that,

450
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:52,599
but they could also place him at
the apartment complex at the time that Naomi

451
00:42:53,159 --> 00:42:59,119
went missing. I was being honestly, what what time did you pick Naomi

452
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:02,719
up? I never picked nail me
up? You're being honest with you?

453
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:13,719
You sure melon positive? Well about
the time you leave your apartment is sometimes

454
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:17,599
she goes missing. But the thing
about that is when I dropped lawing All,

455
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:22,159
I go straight to Bruton. So
how is it that I can keep

456
00:43:22,199 --> 00:43:25,599
her up? The thing about that
is is that we already have your phone

457
00:43:25,679 --> 00:43:31,039
records, okay, and you were
at the apartments at one thirty. I

458
00:43:31,159 --> 00:43:35,679
was going at one thirty. Phone
records show know you were there at one

459
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:38,960
thirty. That phone number you gave
me. It's phone number. We subpoena

460
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:43,719
for the records. You were at
the apartments at one thirty, you were

461
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:51,719
not in Brutin. Detectives knew that
Robert was lying and they could prove it.

462
00:43:52,079 --> 00:43:57,960
They had him dead to rights and
yes, I figured out what that

463
00:43:58,039 --> 00:44:02,440
saying means. Thanks for the help
in the comments. So after a few

464
00:44:02,599 --> 00:44:10,400
more hours of poking and prodding at
Robert, some partial truth began coming out.

465
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:20,119
Robert eventually admitted that he had done
something horrible and unforgivable. Robert Howard

466
00:44:20,320 --> 00:45:02,039
confessed to killing twelve year old Naomi
Jones. On June fifth, twenty seventeen,

467
00:45:02,119 --> 00:45:07,000
after an exhaustive search effort, the
dead body of twelve year old Naomi

468
00:45:07,079 --> 00:45:13,079
Jones was found under a small bridge
at eight Mile Creek and Pensacola, Florida.

469
00:45:14,199 --> 00:45:19,199
It was later determined that Naomi had
been strangled to death and her body

470
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:25,199
was thrown off a bridge. During
the murder investigation, Escambia County detectives interviewed

471
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:30,360
hundreds of people. Among those questioned
was thirty eight year old Robert Howard.

472
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:37,480
Robert lived and worked in Bruton,
Alabama, but he often stayed at his

473
00:45:37,559 --> 00:45:42,599
girlfriend's apartment in Pensacola, which happened
to be in the same apartment complex where

474
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:47,920
Naomi lived and was last seen alive. We all know that in true crime

475
00:45:49,039 --> 00:45:54,199
cases there's usually not a lot of
extenuating circumstances. If it looks like a

476
00:45:54,320 --> 00:46:00,559
duck and it quacks like a duck, then odd non probably did it common

477
00:46:00,639 --> 00:46:05,360
sense, the kind of thing that
isn't around that much these days. There's

478
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:09,920
also the fact, of course,
that Robert was a registered sex offender in

479
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:15,800
the late nineties. He was convicted
of first degree rape twice and spent fifteen

480
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:22,280
years in prison. After learning about
Robert and his history, investigators used phone

481
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:27,639
records and surveillance footage to track Robert's
movements on the day that Naomi Jones went

482
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:34,599
missing. Once a sex offender,
always a sex offender, investigators knew,

483
00:46:35,039 --> 00:46:40,280
and more importantly, could prove that
Robert was at the apartment complex when Naomi

484
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:45,760
was abducted, and that Robert had
driven to the creek where her body was

485
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:52,960
found about twelve hours after her disappearance. In other words, Robert was fucked

486
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:59,039
given his background the evidence, along
with the fact that Robert was the only

487
00:46:59,119 --> 00:47:05,840
person they interview that lied about their
whereabouts, the cops knew they had their

488
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:10,800
man. Despite all of this,
one questioned, Robert refused to confess,

489
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:17,880
and he continued to lie. I
think one or two things happened. You

490
00:47:19,039 --> 00:47:28,679
either have a fetish or were attracted
to Naomi and you got her to get

491
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:34,880
in your car and things might have
gotten let's say, a little carried away.

492
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:42,199
Or either you're just a stone cold
rapist, killer man. I mean

493
00:47:42,599 --> 00:47:45,480
it's one of these. Either because
I never got her to get in my

494
00:47:45,599 --> 00:47:50,639
car. She's never been in my
car, So which isn't Did did you

495
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:52,800
pick her up? And I did
not pick her up. I did not

496
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:58,280
have anything to do with that child. I think she got in your car.

497
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:05,760
Tell you she didn't. Robert denied
having anything to do with Naomi's disappearance

498
00:48:06,119 --> 00:48:10,880
in her death, but he also
denied that he was ever near eight Mile

499
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:17,440
Creek. Basically, he told cops
that reality wasn't reality. Where have I

500
00:48:17,519 --> 00:48:23,159
heard that before? Oh yeah,
oh yeah, oh yeah, everywhere everywhere.

501
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:27,639
We have your car on video over
there. You say you do,

502
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:30,840
but I'm telling you you don't.
We have your car on video. We

503
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:35,239
have your phone wreckers that show your
exact route from where you were at from

504
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:39,119
the apartments to Bruton back down to
where she was found, and they show

505
00:48:39,199 --> 00:48:44,880
exactly which rowt you went. You
can't deny it. It's your phone number.

506
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:46,320
You say, you got my car
on video, and you say,

507
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:52,039
this is showing all this, Let
me see it, because there's no way.

508
00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:55,599
Robert really thought he could call the
cops bluff by asking to see the

509
00:48:55,639 --> 00:49:00,960
evidence, but there was no bluff. His car was captured on camera in

510
00:49:01,039 --> 00:49:06,400
the area where Naomi was found,
and when Robert asked to see the footage,

511
00:49:07,199 --> 00:49:12,079
detectives obliged. He was it and
he saw them. Okay, and

512
00:49:12,679 --> 00:49:15,679
what is that supposed to mean?
That's your car? Okay? So how

513
00:49:15,679 --> 00:49:20,159
are you just going to tell me
that's my car? Because your phone puts

514
00:49:20,159 --> 00:49:23,320
you in that exact spot that that
car is at, at the exact time

515
00:49:23,639 --> 00:49:30,519
that that car is on that video, detectives could definitively prove that Robert was

516
00:49:30,599 --> 00:49:36,440
at the scene where Naomi's body was
found. There was simply no way around

517
00:49:36,519 --> 00:49:38,400
it. He couldn't deny it.
I mean he could, but he was

518
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:45,559
denying a fact it's pretty obvious.
When faced with this, finally, Robert

519
00:49:45,679 --> 00:49:51,559
changed his story. He admitted to
going to the creek, but claimed that

520
00:49:51,599 --> 00:49:53,679
his visit there had nothing to do
with throwing the dead body of a twelve

521
00:49:53,719 --> 00:49:58,239
year old girl off a bridge.
No, no, he was there for

522
00:49:58,559 --> 00:50:05,239
you know, something else, maybe
bird watching or hunting for butterflies, some

523
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:13,119
sort of ornithology type venture, whatever
that means. Maybe some kind of caterpillar

524
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:19,159
collecting expedition, or the cataloging of
leaves for a scrap booking album of some

525
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:23,400
sort. I don't know why do
people go outside anymore? I don't even

526
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:29,480
know. I'm a podcaster after all, with somebody else with you? No,

527
00:50:29,599 --> 00:50:31,639
no one else is with you by
yourself. But I was told that

528
00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:37,920
something would be there. What was
supposed to be there? It was supposed

529
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:43,039
to be what exactly is this supposed
to something? Something to benefit me,

530
00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:49,800
like someone's benefit me. I guess, I don't hope not. How's it

531
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:52,800
going to benefit you monetarily? It
didn't say it just says something to benefit

532
00:50:52,920 --> 00:51:00,239
you, fortune cookie, I have
no idea. Robert told investigators that he

533
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:06,440
found a letter on his windshield that
directed him to eight Mile Creek. This

534
00:51:06,599 --> 00:51:10,480
letter was apparently very vague and only
suggested that if Robert drove to the creek

535
00:51:12,159 --> 00:51:15,719
he would find something that would benefit
him. It was a note for me.

536
00:51:15,199 --> 00:51:19,880
It was a note on the car, and it says something to benefit

537
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:24,400
you from Naomi. No it didn't. It didn't have no name from nobody

538
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:30,880
or to nobody. It was just
on the car. That is the absolute

539
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:37,599
worst, And I'm telling you the
god they got true. Robert, Yes,

540
00:51:37,679 --> 00:51:46,679
sir, that is the absolute silliest
bullshit I've ever heard as ridiculous.

541
00:51:46,679 --> 00:51:51,599
Listen to me. I thought we
were getting somewhere. I know, I

542
00:51:51,679 --> 00:51:58,039
know you don't believe me. I
don't believe y'all are next door fucking neighbors.

543
00:52:00,039 --> 00:52:04,159
He goes missing that afternoon and you're
driving around where she's dumped. That

544
00:52:05,079 --> 00:52:10,400
not only driving around, you fucking
stop doing circles. You know why,

545
00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:15,880
because you're fucking nerves. You don't
know where to put her. Obviously,

546
00:52:16,039 --> 00:52:22,239
Robert's story about some ambiguous note left
on his car was bullshit. Cops knew

547
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:24,719
it. I mean, you know
it. I know what. Everybody knows

548
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:30,079
it. Robert knows it, and
the cops were pretty much done playing these

549
00:52:30,119 --> 00:52:35,840
little games with them. So your
put a murder. I'm a home because

550
00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:38,039
you're sitting here to dine tonight and
I you don't care. You just put

551
00:52:38,079 --> 00:52:43,000
it like hey, just deny everything
and lie because we had a proof that

552
00:52:43,119 --> 00:52:46,679
you're lying. But this child has
a twelve year old baby is dead.

553
00:52:47,679 --> 00:52:52,639
She just turned well, she's eleven
years old. Let do not touch that

554
00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:58,519
child, that chow. She's never
been with me, she has. You

555
00:52:58,679 --> 00:53:00,519
killed her. No, I did
not. You killed her, raped her

556
00:53:00,559 --> 00:53:04,199
and you killed her. Yes,
you did. What did you do?

557
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:08,880
Then? I didn't do anything?
You right? That baby? Was she

558
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:14,400
scared? Oh? Sure? I
didn't have her. Did she cry?

559
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:19,920
I didn't have her. No cry
for her, mama. I have no

560
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:22,360
idea that she's begging to stop.
I don't know what you're talking about.

561
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:27,320
You fucked her, did you,
No, sir, you stuck your dick

562
00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:30,119
in that little girl. No,
sir, I can't imagine what went through

563
00:53:30,159 --> 00:53:38,480
your mind what you were doing.
Sheer fucking terror that that little girl was

564
00:53:38,519 --> 00:53:46,360
going through, absolute terror. She
knew that she was going to fucking die,

565
00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:52,800
knew it. She stared her,
killed her in the fucking eyes.

566
00:53:53,199 --> 00:53:59,079
At this point, investigators had a
solid case. There was plenty of evidence

567
00:53:59,159 --> 00:54:04,280
that a jury could easily understand,
and they didn't really need Robert to admit

568
00:54:04,519 --> 00:54:08,840
to anything. Still, you know, a confession's always nice, it doesn't

569
00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:15,400
hurt, and to hear what actually
happened from the horse's mouth puts a little

570
00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:21,199
closure on things. So they continued
to question Robert and tried to tap into

571
00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:27,960
his empathy if there was any there
something a twelve year old girl I should

572
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:32,000
still be at home walking her bulldog
with her two little brothers that thought the

573
00:54:32,119 --> 00:54:38,719
world of her, and her mom
out there busting her fucking ass worked him

574
00:54:39,519 --> 00:54:44,920
to put food on the fucking title
for her kids. You know the guilt

575
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:46,800
that she's got for this because she
wasn't the home. She does a fucking

576
00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:53,159
work. She twelve year old girl
playing the mother role, taking care of

577
00:54:53,280 --> 00:55:00,320
the kids so her mother could go
to work. She comes back home with

578
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:04,079
her two little brothers after walking that
dog. He tells her a little brother,

579
00:55:04,119 --> 00:55:09,000
I'll be right by. She walks
out of that door, and her

580
00:55:09,159 --> 00:55:17,760
mother's worst nightmare came fucking true.
She met you. Robert made it pretty

581
00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:24,159
clear that he didn't give a damn
about Naomi's mom or two brothers. It

582
00:55:24,280 --> 00:55:29,719
was only after the detective offered to
help Robert that he was willing to talk.

583
00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:36,239
In other words, Robert's only concern
was himself. All is not lost.

584
00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:44,320
I'll help you through because we're gonna
talk about it just right now.

585
00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:51,320
I'm your only saving grace. What
kind of shit it looks like a twelve

586
00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:57,199
year old kid? Then we want
to put you to fucking death because I

587
00:55:57,360 --> 00:56:01,119
need something for sure, right,
I mean, I don't want to spend

588
00:56:01,119 --> 00:56:07,960
the rest of my life rude.
After several hours of interrogation, and only

589
00:56:07,360 --> 00:56:14,639
after the prospect of getting something for
himself came up, Robert finally said something

590
00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:20,519
that was basically a confession. He
asked the investigator if there was something in

591
00:56:20,639 --> 00:56:27,480
Naomi's mouth when she was found,
and indeed there was. The forensic team

592
00:56:27,719 --> 00:56:34,559
found candy in her mouth, and
that information had not been released to the

593
00:56:34,639 --> 00:56:39,760
public. It was something that only
the killer could know. Did they find

594
00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:47,360
the candy in her mouth? Yes? Yes? What was it? Candy?

595
00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:51,599
Dog? Can? I have no
idea what his notions in the can?

596
00:56:53,280 --> 00:56:59,800
In asking this question, Robert revealed
himself as the killer. But why

597
00:56:59,840 --> 00:57:04,199
did he ask it? Of all
the things he could say or ask,

598
00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:12,679
why bring up the candy in Naomi's
mouth. For investigators, this question represented

599
00:57:12,800 --> 00:57:19,920
the twisted and evil gratification that Robert
had in what he had done to Naomi

600
00:57:21,159 --> 00:57:24,840
in any case. After revealing himself
as the killer, Robert then went to

601
00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:30,239
spin a story about how Naomi died. According to Robert, on the day

602
00:57:30,320 --> 00:57:34,719
of the murder, he ran into
Naomi in the parking lot of her apartment

603
00:57:34,800 --> 00:57:42,280
complex, and she unexpectedly started to
flirt with him. Say she likes your

604
00:57:42,320 --> 00:57:51,480
shoes. Thanks the shoes. That
well, where's Long's long? She said?

605
00:57:51,480 --> 00:57:53,719
And I come in and that's all
I know she should come me.

606
00:57:55,559 --> 00:57:58,840
I'm making to the door. She's
on top of the stills, and I

607
00:57:58,960 --> 00:58:02,719
tell her to go back home.
She stands there and she's why can't I

608
00:58:02,800 --> 00:58:06,599
come in? Why can a constant? Because you can't, you don't need

609
00:58:06,639 --> 00:58:10,400
to be open. She stands there
and she's making gestures to Mike. Can

610
00:58:10,440 --> 00:58:14,000
she come in? Can she come
in? I said, no, you

611
00:58:14,079 --> 00:58:21,360
can't come in. She coming on
to you a little bit trying to Robert

612
00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:29,159
explained that twelve year old Naomi made
very aggressive sexual advances towards him, something

613
00:58:29,639 --> 00:58:35,400
straight out of penthouse letters. If
you can imagine that and remember that reference.

614
00:58:36,559 --> 00:58:42,079
He said that this twelve year old
girl insisted on going into the apartment

615
00:58:42,119 --> 00:58:46,840
where Robert stayed with his girlfriend.
And she's making gestures, sexual gestures,

616
00:58:47,559 --> 00:58:54,199
like what ken she seen the deep? She can handle the deep? And

617
00:58:54,320 --> 00:58:59,000
at this time it's when she didn't
grab my deep, but she grabbed it

618
00:58:59,159 --> 00:59:00,320
like my shirt about it, I'm
my shirt and I she was trying.

619
00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:07,800
She's keeping on, keeping on even
if you ain't trying to do nothing.

620
00:59:07,840 --> 00:59:09,079
And maybe she was just talking.
She to see if she could see my

621
00:59:09,199 --> 00:59:17,039
d I don't know. That didn't
show her to me, right, because

622
00:59:17,599 --> 00:59:24,679
that's what every preteen girl wants to
see. A forty year old man's penis

623
00:59:27,119 --> 00:59:31,800
sure. Of course, Robert's telling
of these events was no more believable than

624
00:59:31,920 --> 00:59:38,119
his ridiculous note on the car story, But the fact that he was lying

625
00:59:39,039 --> 00:59:43,559
wasn't the worst of it. The
worst part was the fact that he was

626
00:59:43,599 --> 00:59:50,440
trying to blame the murder victim,
a child, for what happened next.

627
00:59:51,719 --> 00:59:55,440
According to Robert, when Naomi refused
to accept his rejection of her, he

628
00:59:55,599 --> 01:00:01,960
decided to strangle her. Because that
makes total sense. Before I realized I

629
01:00:02,159 --> 01:00:09,559
choked her out. I'll just choked
her out around me, and I said,

630
01:00:09,599 --> 01:00:13,119
I didn't bring meaning for it to
happen. I didn't mean to do

631
01:00:13,239 --> 01:00:16,280
it, said, I thought she
was just they had just blacked out.

632
01:00:16,360 --> 01:00:22,639
But I choked her very damn good, to the point where she wasn't breathing.

633
01:00:22,840 --> 01:00:27,920
Robert claimed that he didn't intend to
kill Naomi, and as expected,

634
01:00:28,039 --> 01:00:32,440
he denied raping her. Once again, we have a case where the bad

635
01:00:32,519 --> 01:00:37,760
guy is willing to admit to murder
but won't admit to raping his victim.

636
01:00:39,119 --> 01:00:44,079
Weird, all this stuff like no, she didn't have no bottoms and stuff

637
01:00:44,119 --> 01:00:49,760
like that. I don't know nothing
about that. I didn't do anything too.

638
01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:52,920
Essentially, I gotta say, I
mean I choked her out. Yes,

639
01:00:54,239 --> 01:00:57,199
I'd admit that I did choke her
out, but I didn't know.

640
01:00:57,239 --> 01:01:00,559
That's why I did. I have
six with her my car. I didn't

641
01:01:00,559 --> 01:01:05,880
do any of it. Robert denied
raping Naomi, and surprisingly, the prosecutors

642
01:01:05,920 --> 01:01:10,719
in Escambia County never sought rape charges
against him, so he will say definitively.

643
01:01:10,880 --> 01:01:16,119
If Naomi was sexually abuse in the
time frame before or after her death,

644
01:01:17,880 --> 01:01:22,480
it's possible that prosecutors were unable to
prove that Naomi had been raped,

645
01:01:23,320 --> 01:01:30,039
but it's also possible that they didn't
feel like they needed to. Perhaps they

646
01:01:30,079 --> 01:01:34,519
didn't want that information to be made
public if it wasn't necessary to do so.

647
01:01:35,679 --> 01:01:40,000
But legally speaking, that wasn't the
most pressing issue. Robert claimed that

648
01:01:40,079 --> 01:01:45,159
Naomi's death was an accident. If
a jury was convinced of that, Robert

649
01:01:45,440 --> 01:01:53,679
could be convicted of second degree murder
or even manslaughter. For prosecutors and Naomi's

650
01:01:53,760 --> 01:02:00,559
mom, that would be devastating.
They wanted a first degree murder conviction and

651
01:02:01,360 --> 01:02:06,480
a death sentence. I just want
them to give him the death penalty.

652
01:02:07,000 --> 01:02:10,480
That's what he deserves, and that's
the major part of it getting justice for

653
01:02:10,880 --> 01:02:16,239
Naomi. The case against Robert Howard
took two years to go to trial,

654
01:02:17,159 --> 01:02:22,840
and in the end, Florida prosecutors
were not able to obtain a death sentence.

655
01:02:23,039 --> 01:02:28,159
They did, however, convince the
jury to return a first degree murder

656
01:02:28,280 --> 01:02:34,800
conviction, and Robert was sentenced to
life in prison without the possibility of parole.

657
01:02:36,119 --> 01:02:40,559
In many ways, Robert Howard is
an unremarkable rapist and murderer. He

658
01:02:40,719 --> 01:02:45,440
was terrible at covering up his crimes, and he was one of the worst

659
01:02:45,519 --> 01:02:52,440
liars we've ever come across, meaning
that he sucks at it. He's really,

660
01:02:52,639 --> 01:02:57,519
really, really bad at it.
For detectives, this wasn't exactly a

661
01:02:57,599 --> 01:03:04,559
difficult case to close. But if
there's anything about Robert that does stand out,

662
01:03:05,519 --> 01:03:10,280
it's his ability to trick the people
around him and convince them that he

663
01:03:10,719 --> 01:03:16,840
was just a normal, decent and
trustworthy guy. I wouldn't suspected Robert,

664
01:03:19,000 --> 01:03:22,119
never would have. Those who know
Robert Howard describe him as an athlete from

665
01:03:22,159 --> 01:03:28,239
Brutin, close to his family.
He ran track and everything he ran football

666
01:03:28,480 --> 01:03:32,840
tillback you ran tracked. But why
shock in the small town. Howard is

667
01:03:32,880 --> 01:03:37,159
a known sex offender who spent fifteen
years in prison for a rape case in

668
01:03:37,320 --> 01:03:42,360
nineteen ninety nine. One of the
victim was my cousin. One woman said

669
01:03:42,400 --> 01:03:45,519
she is related to his first victim, and everyone admits that they did not

670
01:03:45,719 --> 01:03:51,199
believe her at the time. Now
they wish they would have listened. I

671
01:03:51,320 --> 01:03:54,320
didn't want to believe he did,
but you know they was accusing him of

672
01:03:54,440 --> 01:04:01,840
doing Robert Howard was clean cut,
athletic and carried himself with modest confidence.

673
01:04:03,000 --> 01:04:06,119
If you were only able to look
at him and were forced to make an

674
01:04:06,159 --> 01:04:11,440
assumption, you'd probably think he was
a normal dude that had his life together.

675
01:04:12,559 --> 01:04:17,039
Robert also spoke well and always seemed
genuine with his politeness. He was

676
01:04:17,199 --> 01:04:24,519
universally accepted into every social setting around
him. As for the people that knew

677
01:04:24,599 --> 01:04:29,760
him best, specifically the women he
was dating, Learning that Robert was a

678
01:04:29,880 --> 01:04:35,239
rapist and child killer was a hard
pill to swallow, so hard in fact,

679
01:04:36,000 --> 01:04:44,039
that his secret girlfriend Yolanda, refused
to accept it even after Robert confessed.

680
01:04:44,679 --> 01:04:49,239
So he confessed to doing this.
Yes, I just find him hartfully,

681
01:04:50,440 --> 01:04:57,119
just simply because of the way he
acted towards me. He's always been

682
01:04:57,400 --> 01:05:02,039
very affectionate, like he was very
sweet, very sleep very charming. He

683
01:05:02,920 --> 01:05:08,840
was always like that. So you
know, even then, I didn't I

684
01:05:08,880 --> 01:05:11,960
didn't believe it then. I don't
believe it now. I just can't see

685
01:05:12,079 --> 01:05:16,760
him raping anybody. That's what I'm
saying, you know, with the psychopathic

686
01:05:16,840 --> 01:05:23,280
sociopath mentality. I mean, sometimes
people can act like nothing's wrong and going

687
01:05:23,320 --> 01:05:28,639
with my my wife's and daily activities
and you would never know. I said,

688
01:05:28,760 --> 01:05:32,639
I've been going over it and over
it in my head, and I

689
01:05:32,880 --> 01:05:38,719
just don't what did I miss or
how did I miss it? Or?

690
01:05:39,920 --> 01:05:43,800
As for Robert's girlfriend, Lauren,
who was the mother of his one year

691
01:05:43,840 --> 01:05:46,920
old child at the time, the
news that Robert had murdered a twelve year

692
01:05:46,920 --> 01:05:51,679
old girl didn't go over well,
and in that's that's your fault. You

693
01:05:51,920 --> 01:05:57,760
just believed you took what he said
at face value because he seems very very

694
01:05:57,840 --> 01:06:04,000
indeligent and very whine and well mannered
and well spoken, and you're taking at

695
01:06:04,039 --> 01:06:14,079
face value. I'm sorry, I'll
be sorry, I'll be sorry popping like

696
01:06:14,239 --> 01:06:26,599
that. Of course you can't feel, you cannot do. Do not take

697
01:06:26,679 --> 01:06:30,280
any kind of blame, blame yourself. I mean, because like I said,

698
01:06:30,440 --> 01:06:34,480
sometimes we think we know somebody we
really don't. And he has you

699
01:06:34,599 --> 01:06:39,639
fool, said he had us.
How long it take us to get here?

700
01:06:39,800 --> 01:06:43,360
A week? He had a lot
of people fool, not just you.

701
01:06:44,239 --> 01:06:46,800
He had there very fool. Of
course, no one in this story

702
01:06:47,000 --> 01:06:53,599
has been more devastated by Robert's actions
than Naomi's mom. To this day,

703
01:06:54,159 --> 01:07:00,639
Shantara Hurry continues to wonder who her
daughter would have become had her life not

704
01:07:00,880 --> 01:07:06,880
been so tragically stolen. On April
fifteenth, Naomi Jones would have celebrated her

705
01:07:06,960 --> 01:07:11,400
fourteenth birthday. Okay, yeah,
this is one of my favorites. Her

706
01:07:11,480 --> 01:07:14,920
mother says, she would have been
a rising eighth grader trying out for the

707
01:07:15,039 --> 01:07:20,880
cheer squad and learning how to drive. It's so hard and I don't know

708
01:07:20,960 --> 01:07:25,719
how I'm doing it. I just
think it's the grace of God to be

709
01:07:25,880 --> 01:07:29,920
honest. Instead, her family now
holds onto the memories they had with her

710
01:07:30,039 --> 01:07:33,840
for twelve years, the girl full
of life who loved Hello Kitty and dreamed

711
01:07:33,840 --> 01:07:40,000
of becoming a nurser doctor. Like
when I'm preparing plates, will prepare plates

712
01:07:40,079 --> 01:07:45,079
for three kids. That's like the
hardest thing to you know, man,

713
01:07:45,159 --> 01:07:46,360
man, Naomi and Jade, and
come on, it's time to go.

714
01:07:46,800 --> 01:07:51,159
I still do that all the time. It goes without saying that the story

715
01:07:51,199 --> 01:07:59,679
of Naomi Jones is a sad one. It's heartbreaking. It's depressing not only

716
01:07:59,719 --> 01:08:04,679
because of the young life that was
lost, but also because Naomi's story reveals

717
01:08:04,920 --> 01:08:11,480
a harsh truth about the world that
we live in. And it's a truth

718
01:08:11,599 --> 01:08:16,760
that Naomi's mom understands too well.
Just because you have a neighbor, if

719
01:08:16,800 --> 01:08:21,079
you live in an apartment complex,
and just because you see them in passing,

720
01:08:21,840 --> 01:08:28,000
it doesn't mean that you can trust
them. Naomi's mom has a very

721
01:08:28,199 --> 01:08:33,399
specific message about trusting neighbors and being
wary of people that you frequently see in

722
01:08:33,560 --> 01:08:42,000
passing. Frankly, it really sucks
that this poor mother has to go around

723
01:08:42,119 --> 01:08:47,000
and make people aware of stranger danger. But that is the world that we

724
01:08:47,159 --> 01:08:54,039
live in. Even more depressing,
the story of Naomi Jones is a grim

725
01:08:54,159 --> 01:08:59,640
reminder that no matter how close we
become to someone, and no matter how

726
01:08:59,720 --> 01:09:03,560
well we think we know them,
we may not know them at all.

727
01:09:04,960 --> 01:09:13,479
Robert Howard is a complete sociopath,
a pathological liar, a rapist, and

728
01:09:14,119 --> 01:09:20,000
a child murderer. Yet nobody around
him, not even those closest to him,

729
01:09:20,880 --> 01:09:28,760
saw the danger that he posed.
Despite his violent criminal past and not

730
01:09:28,960 --> 01:09:35,159
one but two rape convictions, Robert
was still able to mask the monster that

731
01:09:35,279 --> 01:09:41,600
he is. In fact, there
was a moment in time that perfectly illustrates

732
01:09:42,039 --> 01:09:46,600
just how good he was at doing
this. After Robert murdered Naomi, and

733
01:09:46,680 --> 01:09:54,079
before he dumped her body, he
drove from Florida to Alabama toward his job.

734
01:09:55,239 --> 01:09:59,000
Before arriving there, he made a
stop to visit his secret girlfriend,

735
01:09:59,399 --> 01:10:04,760
Yolanda, who was in distress after
having just left the funeral. Yolanda sat

736
01:10:04,960 --> 01:10:11,560
in the passenger seat of Robert's car
and shared her grief with him. Robert

737
01:10:12,359 --> 01:10:19,399
consoled her. He was her shoulder
to cry on as she cried. Robert

738
01:10:19,600 --> 01:10:27,600
smiled, wiped away her tears,
and told Yolanda that everything would be okay.

739
01:10:29,079 --> 01:10:35,880
All the while Naomi's dead body was
lying in the back seat of his

740
01:10:36,119 --> 01:10:45,119
car, hidden under a raincoat.
Robert didn't visit Yolanda to help her.

741
01:10:45,119 --> 01:10:49,399
He didn't care about her feelings or
have any real interest in helping her through

742
01:10:49,439 --> 01:10:55,800
a difficult time. The reason Robert
went to go see Yolanda that day was

743
01:10:56,760 --> 01:11:02,880
because he wanted to establish a false
salab He tried to use a woman's grief

744
01:11:03,920 --> 01:11:11,560
to protect himself while the corpse of
his twelve year old murder victim was in

745
01:11:11,640 --> 01:11:18,159
the back seat. Robert Howard is
a monster, and his ability to hide

746
01:11:18,199 --> 01:11:30,319
that fact was almost effortless. All
it took was a raincoat and a smile.

747
01:11:59,239 --> 01:12:01,159
Hey, he took out the tons
of new merch at stored dot swordscale

748
01:12:01,199 --> 01:12:25,359
dot com. What's up now,
go look at it? Stay safe any

749
01:12:25,479 --> 01:12:29,279
nights, just just thing out I
was just listening to your shows yesterday and

750
01:12:30,000 --> 01:12:32,439
people pitching out of us, and
I just think that it's so funny when

751
01:12:32,520 --> 01:12:38,039
you let it out on the air
floors. And I'm just always curious,

752
01:12:38,199 --> 01:12:43,039
like if you've ever like recorded a
three minute pitching susion at us and then

753
01:12:43,039 --> 01:12:45,239
your editors are like, maybe a
little bit too harsh today, Mike,

754
01:12:45,800 --> 01:12:50,239
and then you have to like redo
it. Maybe not either way, love

755
01:12:50,279 --> 01:12:55,600
the show, love you, and
uh, keep it up, keep fiching

756
01:12:55,640 --> 01:13:00,520
at us. I kind of enjoy
it. I laugh. Anyway. Let

757
01:13:00,600 --> 01:13:05,560
me answer you a question, Danielle. It happens every week. Fucking such