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Hey, how you doing, man, Come on in, I would see.

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We have such challenges today with our
current scientific paradigm. It doesn't look

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beyond the scientific method. If it's
not provable and you can't test it,

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it's not valid. And when we
run into ancient sites, you know,

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and we talk about them every week, May Egyptian, Chinese, Sumerian,

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it's just, you know, we
had to look at it through filtered lenses,

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and the filters are the education that
our historians have limited education. And

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how problematic it is when we work
with the unseen levels, the unseen energies

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that are all around us that make
up our planet. Now, we've talked

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a lot about how and we've had
people on the program talking about how our

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ancestors built their temples, their buildings
and pyramids over these geomagnetic energy gashes in

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the earth that are bubbling uptoleric energy. It seems to be a fact that

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our ancestors were more in touch with
these energies than we are today. And

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just because we can't see them doesn't
mean they don't exist. We can measure

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them with very rudimentary tools, and
some people can actually fill the energy.

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But because are archaeologists and Egyptologists are
not schooled to look for these things.

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We are missing a huge part of
our ancestors science and connection to Gaya or

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or to the Earth. And I
find this a real problem because the Egyptians

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and the Maya built their buildings on
top of these energy fields for healing,

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for conscious awareness, to help them
in their research and connect with as we've

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heard from Chris Dunn, perhaps power
cities and along with powering them. And

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we don't know a great deal about
the healing effects of geomagnetic energy, but

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we do know that more and more
science, including medical science, is recognizing

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electricity as a form of healing or
a healing modality. So that's something to

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consider. But on the program today, we're going to go to Egypt and

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meet with an author who has studied
in depth the Dendera temple known as the

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Hathor Temple, and he spent a
significant amount of time as an engineer looking

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at the details of the temple and
the symbology as a part of it.

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He's worked with noted Egyptologists in creating
this book that we'll talk about shortly,

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and getting the decode on what we
know from our current scientific paradigm. Again,

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and you'll hear this in this interview. He believes there's more to it

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than just what you can see symbols, images of gods, zodiac tablets,

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astronomical planets and constellations. They understood
the subtle energies. The Egyptians, pre

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Dynastic Egyptian and the Dynastic understood how
these planets affect us. And this is

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what's really coming to bear and why
we need to pay more attention because not

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understanding astronomy and astrology as two sciences
that were really integrated of parts of our

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previous epoch are the people that lived
on the planet. By not recognizing their

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influencing their influences on us, we
are blind, deaf, and dumb because

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these energies. And I might be
able to speak a little more or to

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this than others because I have trained
in the Japanese Tibetan technique of reiki,

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where you are anointed and you're connecting
with this universe. They call it universal

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life force energy, and this it's
for healing both others and yourself. I

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might be plugged in a little better
than most. But if our academics,

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if our colleges, if people who
are educated in history could present these details

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of telluric energy, geomagnetic energy,
whatever our ancestors called it, and clarify

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it. I think we would have
a huge heads up on in harmony with

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our environment, that's the Earth,
that's the Cosmos, and the influence of

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other planets on us, and I
think we would be better off. I

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think we'd be more harmful. I
think we'd have less disease. I think

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we'd have less confusion and depression because
we're just running in circles with our current

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environment. You know, we're stuck
on the TV set, We're stuck looking

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at TikTok on our phones, We're
stuck looking at streaming media, and very

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few of us are taking time to
connect with nature, to take walks,

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hikes, getaways. I mean,
I know friends who think that going on

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a cruise ship is a form of
vacation, and those crews from San Diego

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to Mexico get out, visit the
town to get back on the boat.

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I mean, there's nothing wrong with
that. I have friends that do a

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lot of that, But why not
go beyond. Why not spend the town

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a day in town, look at
the local people, connect with the region.

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I don't know everybody has their choice
to do what they want to do.

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But we're really really missing out on
the subtleties of our planet, of

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our ancestors, of the people who
have been here for thousands of years before

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we were. So I want to
play a short excerpt from my friend John

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Anthony West, who is a Egyptian
scholar. And if you don't know who

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John Anthony West was, he wrote
a book called Serpent in the Sky where

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he talks about the of Egyptian society
and how it translates into their buildings.

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And in this short talk he presents
a brief overview of Egyptian temple vibrations and

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their effects on physiology. So let's
have a quick listen. But what this

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means actually is that, in terms
of the sacred science understanding that it is

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vibration that produces matter. Finally,
it is also vibration, of course,

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that produces the effect that art has
upon us. All art we know there's

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best, we understand it best in
music. Everybody knows music is just vibration.

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And yet there's a tremendous difference between
a Beethoven quartet, the Star Spangled

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banner, and the rolling stones.
Each of these produced their own emotions,

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as it were, and they produced
them solely through vibration. Well, it

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was Schiller. I thought it was
Gerta. I made a mistake, but

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even I do it was Schiller who
said that, or who described architecture as

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frozen music. And this is not
just poetically and metaphorically true, it's literally

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true, because architecture does in stone
what music does in sound. In other

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words, it's visual vibrations that that
are affecting us, and we're sort of

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we're inside the symphony, as it
were. When when we're when we're in

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a sacred space, when we're in
any space, as a matter of fact,

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we are being affected emotionally by the
vibrational nature of that particular building.

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So when we go into an Egyptian
temple, we are resonating to its harmonies

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and proportions and so on. And
if the great stages of the past understood

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that each of the cosmic principles which
are which are the gods, as it

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were, the gods are not sort
of strange animal headed beings. They are

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the embodiments of They are the embodiments
of cosmic principles, and those cosmic principles

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are all in one way or another
inextricably related to certain numbers, interplay of

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numbers which give rise to geometry,
harmony, proportion, and measure. And

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when you know the secrets of the
numbers, as it were, and the

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secrets of the principles, you are
able to produce a building that will evoke

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within the emotional center of the beholder
that particular principle. So even though we

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virtually lost that, we've lost that
knowledge effectively. This is what we're all

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busy trying to recoup. But when
you go into a hathor temple, you

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get a certain reaction to it.
If you are reacting to Hator, when

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you go into a Horrors temple,
your reaction is very different and varies for

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different people. Some resonate one more
than another. But there's no mistaking the

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different emotional effects of these temples,
just as there's no mistaking the difference between

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the emotional effect of a Bach cantata
and a led Zeppelin rock song. That

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they're very different from each other,
and the reason that they're different is because

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of their constituent of their harmonies and
the numbers that are involved with John passed

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away. It's about eight nine years
ago and left a legacy in his observation

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of this ancient Egyptian culture, and
you know, it's really fun to read

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his work and to listen to lectures. You can go to YouTube and listen

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to John Anthony West lecture. And
he recognized that we are not functioning as

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a society because we're disconnected. We're
disconnected from the cosmos, we're disconnected from

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the earth, and that's this is
not a recipe for wellness or harmony.

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Actually also longevity too, because we're
just kind of living our life day to

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day. Wake up, go to
sleep, go to work, wake up

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to go to work. You know, it's just not it's not it's it's

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not a lifestyle that's in harmony at
all. And I think as he got

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older, he recognized this and wanted
to transmit as much as he could on

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the previous civilization and how they managed
to be how they managed to survive for

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thousands of years eloquently, and they
also transmuted it into their sculptures, their

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pottery, their jewelry. They're wonderful
temples and buildings and their society as a

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whole. We're still very curious because
you can't get it all from the writing.

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There's not a hell of a lot
of books or codises that are left.

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We have to kind of guess at
it. But our historians do us

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a disservice in trying to explain away
subtle energies and won't even go there.

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And it's the education center. It's
the education that they received. It's not

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necessarily their fault. To get a
PhD. You have to follow books that

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are out of date by hundreds of
years, and professors who need to keep

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their tenure and so they can't go
out. They can't think outside of the

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box for anything other than, you
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So anyhow, we have a fun
program today with my guest jose Maria

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Barbera, and this wonderful book that
he's written called Dendera Temple of Time,

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of the big fascinations of visiting Egypt is

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the magnificent temples. And I've been
blessed to be able to see many of

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the known excavated temples that dot the
landscape of Egypt. And every year we

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make a trip to Hathor in Dendera, not only to see the Hathor Temple,

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the Isis temple that sits behind it, and also my favorite, the

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temple in front dedicated to the God
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have to have somebody come on the
program and talk about that temple because I

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think it's a hell of a lot
older. And the other thing that's unique

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about these temples is they're megalithic.
They're built with multiple ton blocks of granted

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and sandstone. How the hell did
they lift them, how did they move

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them around? And the elegance that
these ancient Egyptians worked in the artistic values

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are just off the charts. My
guest today has written a fascinating book called

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dindera Temple of Time, the Celestial
Wisdom of Ancient Egypt. And my guest

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is Jose Maria Barrera, who would
you believe is a software engineer, he's

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an architect, and he's also a
wonderful photographer. One of my favorite publishers,

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has released this book, Inner Traditions, and I got to tell you,

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there's so much to like about this
book. Other than the beautiful photography

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and detailed images. Jose has gone
out of his way to do his best

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to explain the celestial astrology, astronomy
and the details that are embedded in this

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temple, which makes it so fascinating. It's one of these temples that we're

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going to hear from Jose shortly.
It's one of these temples that you can't

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go one time, you have to
go multiple times. And even if you

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go, I mean I've been there
four times. Even if you go four

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times, there's still aspects of it
that are left for discovery. So Jose,

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welcome to Earth Ancients. It's such
a pleasure to have you on the

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program. Well, the plashort youself, my home mine. Thank you so

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much for honey. When did you
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That was probably like eight years ago. I went for the first time to

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Egypt with my family, my two
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of Egypt, the most favorite place
that I found in the most incredible place

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is the Temple of Hator, And
hence the book. What was it about

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the I mean, I've been there, I know how why it's so extraordinary

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in many many ways, But what
was it about it that led you to

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want to know more? And then
the creation of this book because the book

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you wrote is dominated by the beautiful
photography. By the way, the photographs

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are beautiful in this book. They're
really wonderful and you use very good equipment

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to take these photographs. But what
is it about hathor temple that is so

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mysterious? Okay? So I think
that the first thing before we talked about

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the Temple of Hator, and this
is in particular happens there, but in

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general, is that one of the
the person and most present feelings that you

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get when you go and travel to
Egypt is you feel so tiny and so

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ignorant and so minute because of the
sheer magnitude and the size of the monuments

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and the sophistication of them, and
they intricate art that is on the walls

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and the heeroglyphs, and you feel
like you are in an alien land looking

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at alien things that they're obviously grandiose
and incredible, but you don't understand.

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And there is this sense of mystery
that is so captivating, and I think

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part of the allure of Egypt and
why is so popular among people and people

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want to go. There is that
sense of mystery that it creates, and

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it makes you feel tiny, makes
you feel small, just like when you're

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in the presence of the pyramids and
those things are massive, you feel small.

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But not only there, but when
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wiggles, and hieroglyphs that if you
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alien language you feel small again because
you feel that the amount of knowledge that

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you have is so tiny. And
there are so many mysteries that make these

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places incredibly attractive to me. And
I love mysteries, but I hate mysteries

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at the same time because I feel
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mystery because I'm very curious and I
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the things that happens in Egypt.
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went there, I went reluctantly.
Let's say that or not I went convence

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is that I wanted to go.
But before that, I was reluctant to

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getting to know Egypt because it is
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that the amount of investment that you
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comprehend it is so big that I
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lifetime, I'll do it, not
now. But then I went to an

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exhibition in Fifth Avenue. They had
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and so beautiful. King at the
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of Art. Yeah, they actually
they had a reproduction. It was like

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on Fifth Avenue, on Fifth Avenue
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and a gallery and the US.
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it was like in the middle of
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they were like thirteen and twelve or
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do that day, and I was
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into a tourist trap, but we
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went in and it was incredibly done. It was like they used the photos

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that Carter took and the real objects
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rooms, and they put all this
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the photos the way Carter found them, and they were so magnifacent and so

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beautiful that I was like, I
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is a reproduction. I have to
see the original thing. And that's what

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took me there. And a couple
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my family, and out of the
whole thing, the place that I liked

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the most was the Temple of hat
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after a long deviation to your question, what fascinates me about these place are

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many things. The first one is
that probably is one of the best preserved

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structures of ancient Egypt, even though
it's modern by Egyptian standards, right like

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it's two thousand and fifty or one
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in relatively speaking, is new,
but it is in perfect condition. Like

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you go there and they just restore, like a decade ago, the ceiling.

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They clean up the ceiling at the
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a massive ceiling for people that haven't
been there. It is probably the size

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of two tennis courts. And the
ceiling is supported by twenty four columns that

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are like seven stories high. So
this place is like gigantic. And the

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ceiling is covered with images of celestial
images and stars and gods and in full

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call, and the original colors are
still there. And when I when I

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went there and I saw that,
I was stantalized by my ignorance because I

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was in the presence of something grand
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I look for so when I when
I came back to New York, when

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I went back, I look for
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learn more about it. And to
my surprise, there wasn't much documentation.

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Isn't it isn't that strange that there's
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there's I mean, you could go
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probably see a chapter or maybe a
magazine dedicated to Hathor. But there's not

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a great deal of detail. In
fact, the detail that you go into,

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especially with the panels on the ceiling. I don't think anyone else has

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gone that far, have they?
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a French woman who is the head
of the French mission in Egypt, and

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she's in charge of the temple of
Hatora Dendra, and she spent thirty five

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years studying this temple and she has
written down the translation of pretty much every

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single hieroglyphics on the walls of this
place. So it's hundreds of thousands of

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pheroglyphs. Yeah. But the problem
with this literature is that it's incurently technical

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and it's just like the literal translation
so oh on the day of let's bless

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the gods hot or is boring.
It's like you read it and it's like,

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oh my god, it sounds like
a scientific white paper where it's all

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exactly Yeah, it's so true.
And it's one of the things if you

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think about what happens when you go
to museums. You go to museums and

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all these pieces and nobody tells you
what they mean. They just tell you,

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oh, this piece they give you
a name, This was made if

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they know who made it, made
by this person in your X y Z,

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and that's it, and made in
marble or copper or whatever is the

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piece, like the statue or the
painting or whatever it is, and that's

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it. That's the end of it. Nobody tells you what is the significance

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of the pieces in museums and why
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is what they mean and what is
their significance. Same thing happens with this

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with these technical books is they're just
stating the facts of this is what says

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on World thirty two and is this
row of characters. And they're also writing

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for their I mean, let's be
honest, Jose, they're writing for their

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contemporaries, their people in their in
their field. And if you don't understand

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Egyptology or have studied it, it
doesn't make sense to you. And there

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is no context, right because they
have all these context that is not in

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the book because they suppose they're technical
books. So that's one thing. The

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artist. There is no literature or
this temple really in English up to now.

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So so this book is the book
that I didn't found that I didn't

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find out the temple. So I
was like, I think other people will

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be interested in this, and the
book is it is I'm not, I'm

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not I'm not any gyptologist, right
like, this is my hobby and I've

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been studying a lot of it,
but this book is what I wanted to

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find to explain and make sense of
this ceiling. Yeah, so, I

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mean, yeah, the thing is
you're an engineer, which is one important

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aspect, but you're also an architect. So you can see the megalithic stone

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work number one and be in awe
of that. Also in your word clarifies

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thing. I'm an architect, but
I'm a software architect. I'm not like,

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Okay, all right, there you
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working stone yet Okay, well,
but you're engineer and so as an engineer

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you can look at it and go, WHOA, how did they do that?

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Or wow, they were working in
heavy, heavy stones and so forth.

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Let's talk a little bit about what
we do now. In the book,

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you write that it's believed that the
temple was dedicated in twenty five hundred

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BC. It was probably a smaller
version or fragments of what we see now,

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right right, So, so usually
what happens is that they have these

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holy sites, and you can see
that that the Catholic Church was very very

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used that and is when they found
all all temples of oritizations, they created

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an instituted like churches on top of
them and build church exactly. So you

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have these holy sites. And with
time what happens is that the places get

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out of use and they use the
stones to something else and so on,

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and they built top and top on
top on top on top of so there

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are different layers in these places where
just like what happens in like if you

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go to Rome and you go to
churches, you're gonna see that they're on

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top of Roman temples, for example. So the same thing happened in Egypt

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in this place is this place.
Hator is one of the oldest deities of

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Egypt, is like its pre dynastic
is very old, the most age ancient

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deities and probably the most important female
deity. And later on all the allure

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of Hatter was mostly captured by Isis. But Isis and Hator became like like

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almost the same, but but Alator. It was a really really ancient and

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important goddess in ancient Egypt. Uh
so. So, so there there are

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constructions underneath these temple, and they've
been doing excavations and they find things that

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are like dynastic but four thousand years
older things. Let me let me talk

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about that for a minute, because
when we go there, every single time

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they've opened they found a new crypt
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Uh, we don't know what they
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sits on top of an earlier temple
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opened up and you can see what
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So I and the thing is,
I don't know of anybody who's doing

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ground penetrating radar, but I'd sure
like to see it. What do you

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what do you say about sitting a
temple on top of the temple. Yeah,

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so they're they've been doing excavations there
and they have found a basically ancient

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or more ancient constructions underneath the current
temple. But that's the extent of the

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drill. And that happens in many
places, by the way, in Egypt,

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like because as I mentioned, this
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the time is the time of the
Romance so this temple was built in a

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big part by Cleopatra, and she
was one of like who was the last

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Pharah of Egypt. So what was
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some of the coloring and figures.
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construction of the temple, I think
the year fifty two BC, I think

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if I'm or fifty four, I
don't remember it. But he started the

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construction and two years after he started
the construction, he died and Cleopatra continued

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the construction and the temple was built
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think so. So it was under
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the main structure of the temple was
built. And and these temples are built

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like like onions. So they start
from the inside out and they start with

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the holly of hollies, the with
the with the with the most internal room,

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and and and they start to build
around and they constructed outside and outside

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like an onion. Yeah, and
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of the temple was finished I think
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at the time of Cleopatra. What
is the what is the holy holy section

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of that temple is it where is
it the close of the stairway to the

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observed observation deck or all the structure
of these temples is all these temples are

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built in the same way. They
have the same architecture. So what is

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bautiful. So so what you have
is at the the heart of the temple

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there is a small room that is
dark and is where they kept the Holy

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of Hollies, the statue of the
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So let me just stop it is
that one of the creps. It's in

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a room in the middle of the
temple. Yeah, so so let let's

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go to a punching line at the
end. This temple is a temple of

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fertility and the temple what it represents
is the womb is like the whole temple

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is the female reproductive organ. That's
that's what the temple is. And so

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so basically what you have right is
and you you think about this when when

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the Pharaoh went into the temple,
he's penetrating the temple basically, and and

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they have these rituals like basically taking
the statue at the very center of the

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temple, they have a statue of
the Deity of the temple in this case

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of the goddess Hator. And they
took the statue and they took it to

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the to the to the roof of
the of the temple to there are two

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staircases on each side of the temple, and in the in the ceiling,

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they consummated the union of Horrors of
at Food, which is the consort of

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of of Hator and Hator. So
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where they're creating life because this is
a temple of fertility. So that's and

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and when you go there and and
and you think about it, it's like

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the whole thing is represents that.
And interesting enough, churches are very similar.

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Like you go to Vatican City and
Vatican City is very very similar.

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And this is I never talk about
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a working theory that I have.
And think about. Have you been in

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the Vatican in the some walked in
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that. Again, so if think
about this, when when when you walk

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you're walking towards the Some Peter Cathedral, there is an obelisk that they took

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from Egypt, and it's right in
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square. There. Now, architecturally, if you look at some Peter's dome

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and you look at the at the
at the at the obelicks, as you

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walk through the through the through the
road that takes you to to Some Peter,

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you're walking towards the the the obelisk, and behind you have the the

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the dome. So architecturally, what
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the dome. You're creating an intercourse
as you're walking in an architectural intercourse because

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you're aligning these two things, the
round dome and the and the and the

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and the obelisk. And as you
walk in the hovel and in the in

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Saint Peter's Cathedral, what you're gonna
see is that in the dome inside inside,

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as you start to walk in,
the sun comes through the top of

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the of the dome right and comes
down. And as you walk in,

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what you're gonna see is you create
like you can see a dome underneath that

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looks round, but you see like
a middle moon, like a crescent moon

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made by the side of the dome. I can I can show you pictures

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of that. What it is is
you're walking in and what you're doing is

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you're creating an eclipse of the You're
you're creating the conjunction architecturally of the sun

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and the moon HM. Because you
can see literally you see you you see

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a crescent made by the walls of
the side of the dome and the dome,

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and and you see basically the conjunction
of the sun and the moon.

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And once you walk into into into
the center. Right underneath the dome is

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the altar in St. Peter's Cathedral. And think about what what happens at

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the altar. At the altar,
they're consecrating the wafer, the Holy Wafer

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right there. And and so they
have something that is called the Battle King,

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which is this little structure inside on
top of the of the of the

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altar that is like a roof on
top of the alder altar underneath the dome.

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If you look underneath the the the
the King, these these these roof

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that they have there, what you're
gonna see is that they have an image

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of the Holy Ghost inside on top. So what you're doing, what the

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what the what the priest or the
pope in this case, which is when

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it's Symperire cathedral. What he's doing
when he consecrates the wafer, right when

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he's doing the communion, what you
have is his aligning the light of the

408
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sun that comes at the top of
the at the top of the dome with

409
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the battle king that represents basically the
the is the maculate conception with the altar

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where he has the the cop and
and the wafer where he is bringing into

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life. Is making the wafer into
flesh, and the and the and the

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the wine into into blood. Is
the act the miracle of the immaculate conceptions.

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He is reincarnated. He's re enacting
ritualistically the immaculate conception, the miracle

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of life. So all these places, what you have is that's the supreme

415
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miracle is life right like where hearing
this in the universe which exist and life

416
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is and in so tomorrow it's an
incredible miracle. So you're talking about it

417
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symbolically correct, which is important,
but go beyond that and talk about it

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energetically. When somebody is passing through
these monuments like Saint Peter's Cathedral and the

419
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and the when they pass into half
or are they symbolically, symbolically and energetically

420
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is the same thing, you see, because we we are made of psyche,

421
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right, we we are consciousness,
and the world is not made of

422
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atoms and energy. The world is
made of ideas and concepts and preconceptions.

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And we live in a world of
concepts, and we live in a world

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of ideas. So when you create
these rituals, which are magical rituals at

425
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the end, what you're doing is
you are channeling the psyche into these incredible

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things, right And as you re
enact and repeat and repeat and repeat these

427
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rituals, what you're doing is you're
taking all these ideas and these concepts and

428
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this energy, the psychic energy,
and you're giving it life into in quotes,

429
00:41:29.280 --> 00:41:37.000
you're giving it manifestation in reality through
the behavior of people. So it's

430
00:41:37.119 --> 00:41:45.719
a pure act of magic, because
magic is the manifestation of the psyche into

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the material world. And you add
to ritual, that's ritual magic, that's

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what it is. And all these
things what they're doing is you are enacting

433
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that, you're creating life. The
Pope is bringing into into the world God

434
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incarnated Jesus Christ on the wafer and
the and the and the and the blood.

435
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But the whole thing is in harmony
with the temple and the architecture of

436
00:42:13.719 --> 00:42:17.679
the temple and the alignments architectural alignments
and the geometry of the temple, and

437
00:42:17.800 --> 00:42:22.480
the ritual and the instance and the
music and the clothes and the whole thing.

438
00:42:25.000 --> 00:42:30.320
Yeah, you talk about that in
your book. You say that the

439
00:42:30.360 --> 00:42:39.440
features in the temple, the Hathor
Temple are inspiring for symbology, time and

440
00:42:39.719 --> 00:42:46.880
cognition. What do you mean by
cognition when you're uh discussing Hathor temple.

441
00:42:50.360 --> 00:42:55.239
Mhm, I don't so, so
I'm thinking of you. You just explained

442
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uh, Saint Peter's and and and
you kind of with the half of our

443
00:43:00.360 --> 00:43:08.880
temple's construction and its multi level beauty
and elegance. But is there something about

444
00:43:10.199 --> 00:43:19.000
enhanced cognition when we passed through this
wonderful temple. Absolutely? And I think

445
00:43:19.519 --> 00:43:28.119
one of the problems that we have
today is that we have lost a lot

446
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of knowledge because of hyper specialization.
So what has happened is that since probably

447
00:43:36.840 --> 00:43:44.400
like the I think the killing strike
that culminated this is the French Revolution,

448
00:43:44.719 --> 00:43:51.119
with the time of Enlightenment, where
they took reason and they replaced the church

449
00:43:51.519 --> 00:43:57.440
with the goddess Reason. And ever
since, what we have done is we

450
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have taken reason and one and measurement
as the supreme God and the supreme deity

451
00:44:05.280 --> 00:44:10.920
in our society, and we have
forgotten any other ways of knowing of knowledge.

452
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So today we live in a world
that everything has been reduced to number

453
00:44:16.719 --> 00:44:22.480
and measurement. And your health is
what is your cholesterol level, That's a

454
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number, what is your temperature,
that's a number, what is your height,

455
00:44:28.039 --> 00:44:31.320
what is your weight? All of
those things are measurements. And so

456
00:44:31.760 --> 00:44:38.800
what reason comes from reckoning that is
ratio, that is comparison of quantities.

457
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So anything that you cannot quantify,
like a consciousness, like awareness, that

458
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you cannot put a number on,
that you cannot measure that then are things

459
00:44:52.920 --> 00:44:58.039
that are simply not part of the
system that we have of knowledge today and

460
00:44:58.079 --> 00:45:05.960
they're unexplainable. So in the past, and don't take me wrong, reason

461
00:45:07.199 --> 00:45:14.159
is the tool of Lucifer of light
right and enlightenment. Lucifer means light better.

462
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And what was the promise of Lucifer
to Alamannive when they ate from the

463
00:45:21.559 --> 00:45:25.199
tree of knowledge, is they would
become like gods and guess what we have

464
00:45:25.320 --> 00:45:31.920
done that we can fly, we
have telepathy, all these tools that we

465
00:45:32.039 --> 00:45:37.960
have created with reason to date,
we can go to space, we have

466
00:45:37.079 --> 00:45:45.360
rockets, all these things. Is
an incredibly powerful tool, But is it

467
00:45:45.679 --> 00:45:57.400
destroys and kills the spirit because it's
antithetic to the spirit, Because racial reason

468
00:45:57.480 --> 00:46:07.559
in counting quantity, cannot commiserate the
spirit. Because the spirit cannot be quantified,

469
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can only be experienced and experience itself, which is what we have is

470
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the ultimate tool of knowledge, cannot
be quantified. So the theory that we

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have to explain everything to them,
we took that as a supreme eighty cannot

472
00:46:27.239 --> 00:46:34.639
explain the spirit. Therefore it kills
the spirit and treats us as machines and

473
00:46:35.039 --> 00:46:40.800
just automatons. So we've lost that
subtlety, the ability to recognize correct And

474
00:46:40.880 --> 00:46:50.079
it starts in language. So imagine
that the sounds of your language are the

475
00:46:50.159 --> 00:46:59.440
names of your gods. So the
sun Ra Ra is the name of the

476
00:46:59.599 --> 00:47:01.840
of the on, but it's also
the name of the god of the sun

477
00:47:01.960 --> 00:47:07.199
of light. And imagine that the
basic phonemes and the basic sounds of your

478
00:47:07.280 --> 00:47:15.440
language are the names of the gods. Then anything you name, I don't

479
00:47:15.480 --> 00:47:21.639
know, like you say a box
or a house then is composed by the

480
00:47:21.679 --> 00:47:24.119
sounds of the name of the house. But those are the names of the

481
00:47:24.119 --> 00:47:30.920
gods. So as you name anything, what you're doing is everything around you

482
00:47:31.119 --> 00:47:39.400
is imbewed by the essence, the
divining essence that are the gods. That

483
00:47:39.760 --> 00:47:47.480
that's symbolically what they are, the
fundamental principles of creation and reality. So

484
00:47:50.639 --> 00:47:54.320
when your sounds of your language,
your phonemes, are sacred, you live

485
00:47:54.360 --> 00:48:00.199
in a world comprised and made out
of God or of they is because anything

486
00:48:00.320 --> 00:48:07.960
when you name it, you are
spelling the names of the gods that comprise

487
00:48:07.079 --> 00:48:12.280
that. So all of the sudden, you live in a in a materialistic

488
00:48:12.400 --> 00:48:16.119
world made of objects and utilitarian things, and no anything that you can name

489
00:48:16.639 --> 00:48:23.360
is divine because it's created, is
composed by the gods, because the name

490
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is the gods. Imagine that we
live in a world like that. Imagine

491
00:48:30.039 --> 00:48:36.079
how meaningful it becomes all of the
sudden, and think about like because I

492
00:48:36.079 --> 00:48:38.719
think one of the most beautiful things
about Egypt, and that's what happens when

493
00:48:38.760 --> 00:48:46.400
when you have autoctenous cultures, is
that the culture in Egypt in ancient Egypt

494
00:48:46.960 --> 00:48:52.679
can only happen at that place when
when you when you look and you detail

495
00:48:53.320 --> 00:49:00.039
the the heeroglyphs, and what you
realize is they are the animals of the

496
00:49:00.159 --> 00:49:05.440
nile, and they are the flowers
of the nile, and they're the utensils

497
00:49:05.480 --> 00:49:08.559
that they use in the day to
day life, and they are the sacred

498
00:49:08.599 --> 00:49:15.760
writing. But it's beautiful because it's
just like the dates that grow on the

499
00:49:15.840 --> 00:49:21.880
palms on the side of the of
the nile. The culture and and and

500
00:49:22.360 --> 00:49:30.039
is is the the fruit, just
like the dates are the fruit that beautiful

501
00:49:30.519 --> 00:49:37.960
and then and then but but you
know how how how meaningful it is because

502
00:49:37.719 --> 00:49:44.199
the place where you are is what
creates this culture is full of meaning.

503
00:49:44.360 --> 00:49:49.920
Everything is meaningful, and it cannot
be anywhere else but there. Now we

504
00:49:50.079 --> 00:49:54.320
live in in cultures or we are
where the fruits of cultures are not native,

505
00:49:54.960 --> 00:50:00.199
but there are cultures of war and
conquering, so they're foreign to us.

506
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So my name is Jose, but
to me that's an abstraction. It's

507
00:50:05.920 --> 00:50:08.880
just like my name is a pointer. The word itself has no meaning.

508
00:50:09.440 --> 00:50:15.079
If you are a native from somewhere
like in India, or your name means

509
00:50:15.119 --> 00:50:21.400
something like your name means the divine
God of the morning or whatever it is.

510
00:50:21.480 --> 00:50:23.760
That's your name, that's who you
are. We live in an abstraction

511
00:50:24.000 --> 00:50:30.880
because it was a culture imposed on
us and our language and and these monotestic

512
00:50:30.000 --> 00:50:37.800
religions are just religions of conquering and
war and and they're abstract. They are

513
00:50:38.039 --> 00:50:45.400
they detach you from the spirit and
and they're incredibly powerful at conquest, but

514
00:50:45.599 --> 00:50:55.960
they but they they take you out
of the flesh. Yeah, and it's

515
00:50:55.960 --> 00:51:01.679
not harmonious. Interesting, let's talk
about the functionality of Hathor temple. We

516
00:51:01.760 --> 00:51:07.280
know that people went there to worship
the gods. We know that they were

517
00:51:07.280 --> 00:51:16.559
there for healing. There's a a
wonderful uh ceiling that has uh the zodiac

518
00:51:16.599 --> 00:51:22.079
on it. So astrotogy astrology was
very important. And also it was for

519
00:51:22.239 --> 00:51:30.840
skywatching or astronomy. Astrology and astronomy
what and you talk about this in your

520
00:51:30.840 --> 00:51:36.360
book. What was it? What
was the astronomical function of the temple?

521
00:51:36.440 --> 00:51:42.079
Do we know? I think so
yes, And I think that's the core

522
00:51:42.199 --> 00:51:45.719
of the Bookie stat Right, So
for the start, how much time do

523
00:51:45.800 --> 00:51:49.280
we have? You're fine, We're
gonna go as long as we need to

524
00:51:49.719 --> 00:51:53.840
Okay, good, so let's start
somewhere else for that. And he's that

525
00:51:55.039 --> 00:52:00.239
the sense of time is very different
from what we have to day at what

526
00:52:00.360 --> 00:52:07.360
we was in in antiquity. Our
time is lineal, and its ideologically lineal,

527
00:52:07.559 --> 00:52:15.559
right, like like we come here
and humans were expelled at the Fall

528
00:52:15.679 --> 00:52:21.679
of Paradise, and we come here, and then Christ there wed enter and

529
00:52:22.239 --> 00:52:27.000
and then we die. And depending
on our actions in this world, we're

530
00:52:27.119 --> 00:52:30.840
going to spend our our the rest
of ours of the time in eternity,

531
00:52:31.199 --> 00:52:36.639
in in hell or heaven. But
it's lineal. It's like you you have

532
00:52:36.760 --> 00:52:40.559
a start, right, and then
the time goes as an arrow and it

533
00:52:40.679 --> 00:52:47.920
has an end. That's it.
The conception of time in these autotonous ancient

534
00:52:50.800 --> 00:52:57.639
cultures was not linear. It was
cyclical, and you could see the time

535
00:52:57.760 --> 00:53:05.639
as the rhythms at the cadence of
life. So and you can see you

536
00:53:05.719 --> 00:53:08.400
can all of the sun. We
measure time like days, and it's like

537
00:53:08.639 --> 00:53:14.960
Monday Tues when and then it goes
the first day of the year, the

538
00:53:15.000 --> 00:53:20.840
second, the third, or three
thousand years later. Whatever. Time in

539
00:53:20.960 --> 00:53:27.599
Egypt and in our cultures was cyclical, and it was comprised by different types

540
00:53:27.639 --> 00:53:31.639
of cycles. So the first old
you cycle is the cycle of the day

541
00:53:31.800 --> 00:53:37.800
and the night, so every day
you can think that time restarts right.

542
00:53:37.079 --> 00:53:44.239
And the way they represented this was
the meat of Osiris and isis so Osiris

543
00:53:44.320 --> 00:53:47.800
dies every day and gets resurrected and
goes back and forth. And the sun

544
00:53:49.119 --> 00:53:52.920
the sun is born in the in
the morning and dies in the afternoon at

545
00:53:52.039 --> 00:53:59.559
sunset and time. And they came
up, by the way with the with

546
00:53:59.800 --> 00:54:05.039
the of having twenty four hours during
the day. But the difference on their

547
00:54:05.159 --> 00:54:12.440
hours is that because they're in a
northern latitude, then the days, the

548
00:54:12.599 --> 00:54:16.719
length of the day changes over time, right over the year. But they

549
00:54:16.880 --> 00:54:22.039
measured the hours. Their hours were
organic. They were not like equal amounts

550
00:54:22.079 --> 00:54:25.920
of time like we have them.
But their day, the twelve hours of

551
00:54:27.000 --> 00:54:32.880
the day started at sunrise and ended
at sunset, and the twelve hours of

552
00:54:32.960 --> 00:54:39.079
the night started at sunset and ended
at sunrise. But they change in length

553
00:54:40.760 --> 00:54:46.039
because in winter the night stretches,
the hours were longer, the twelve hours

554
00:54:46.079 --> 00:54:50.199
of the night were longer, and
the twelve hours of the day were shorter,

555
00:54:50.679 --> 00:54:52.760
and in summer the twelve hours of
the day were longer, and the

556
00:54:52.960 --> 00:54:57.000
twelve hours of the night were shorter. So they were like accordions, they

557
00:54:57.320 --> 00:55:08.880
stretched, they were organic because what
was important was the qualities of the of

558
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of of the time of time.
So let me let me put it this

559
00:55:13.840 --> 00:55:17.239
way. In our time, in
our time, in the way we measure

560
00:55:17.280 --> 00:55:22.280
time, every hour is the same
as any other hour, right, but

561
00:55:22.599 --> 00:55:29.280
we know that time psychologically is very
different. When we're like, we're having

562
00:55:29.320 --> 00:55:32.320
a good time, time goes very
fast. When we're bored, time goes

563
00:55:32.440 --> 00:55:42.159
slowly. The Sun to us is
an abstraction that is a radiation like a

564
00:55:42.320 --> 00:55:46.519
nuclear ball somewhere like eight light years
away from us. And that's it,

565
00:55:46.840 --> 00:55:52.000
like it's that thing. For them, the sun had qualities, had character

566
00:55:52.480 --> 00:55:59.280
So the sun in the morning,
at sun at sun rise has different qualities,

567
00:55:59.719 --> 00:56:05.320
is less warm that the sun at
noon, and the dying sun in

568
00:56:05.400 --> 00:56:08.159
the afternoon is very different. The
color of the sun, the mood of

569
00:56:08.239 --> 00:56:13.280
the sun is different. So they
represented the cycle of the sun, which

570
00:56:13.360 --> 00:56:17.400
is basically the ceiling. What it
is is all this astronomy is the being

571
00:56:17.440 --> 00:56:23.599
seen in the sky. Right,
is a representation of the different cycles of

572
00:56:23.800 --> 00:56:29.760
time. And one of the panels
is the hours of the day, and

573
00:56:29.960 --> 00:56:32.000
what they represent is the different hours, the twelve hours of the day,

574
00:56:32.559 --> 00:56:38.119
the sun on a boat at different
moments of time. And in the morning,

575
00:56:38.320 --> 00:56:44.119
what they did is this analogy of
the sun and the life of a

576
00:56:44.199 --> 00:56:49.400
person. So in the morning the
sun is a little child. At noon

577
00:56:50.679 --> 00:56:54.280
is represented as a ram, which
is potency. Right, it's the potency

578
00:56:54.320 --> 00:56:59.880
of the sun at noon. In
the afternoon, right before sun set,

579
00:57:00.119 --> 00:57:04.679
an old guy with a cane,
because the son is weak at that time.

580
00:57:05.320 --> 00:57:09.800
So all of a sudden, you're
you're you're qualifying, not quantifying the

581
00:57:09.880 --> 00:57:15.559
sun. You're doing you need qualities, you need flavored taste, right,

582
00:57:15.960 --> 00:57:21.199
Yeah, it's it's organic. It
becomes something that is is not an abstraction

583
00:57:21.400 --> 00:57:29.239
and number is it's your life.
Son is life. We're going to take

584
00:57:29.239 --> 00:57:35.039
a short commercial break to allow our
sponsors to identify themselves, and we will

585
00:57:35.239 --> 00:57:40.960
return shortly with my guest today,
Jose Maria Barrera, discussing his latest book,

586
00:57:42.840 --> 00:58:22.559
Denderah The Temple of Time, will
be right back. I guess today

587
00:58:22.679 --> 00:58:29.960
is Jose Maria Barrera. He is
a photographer but also a software engineer who

588
00:58:30.000 --> 00:58:37.039
has written a fabulous book called Dendera
Temple of time, and he has chronicled

589
00:58:37.119 --> 00:58:45.679
the construction of this unusual temple and
also photographed this magnificent celestial ceiling that is

590
00:58:45.119 --> 00:58:54.679
a snapshot of our cosmos. Let's
talk about the Dendera calendar, which is

591
00:58:54.960 --> 00:59:00.079
up on the ceiling. It's the
actual zodiac that Napoleon and scientists took and

592
00:59:00.159 --> 00:59:05.360
they have it in the louver and
then later later they made a copy of

593
00:59:05.440 --> 00:59:08.280
it and it's a big plastic roof
ceiling. But it's still the same thing.

594
00:59:09.159 --> 00:59:19.440
Why do the Egyptians play such great
emphasis on the zodiac along with astronomy.

595
00:59:19.480 --> 00:59:24.079
It's almost like they were two sciences
that they worked with. Is there

596
00:59:24.199 --> 00:59:30.159
something that we really have forgotten?
Yeah, so I think this distinction that

597
00:59:30.280 --> 00:59:36.360
we have today, like astronomy and
astrology were the same thing. Yeah,

598
00:59:36.519 --> 00:59:42.840
we have come to these nuances and
differences, right, But before there was

599
00:59:43.119 --> 00:59:50.159
one unified field of knowledge m h
and it had different So the main purpose

600
00:59:50.239 --> 00:59:53.800
of astronomy in general, or astrology, whatever you want to call it,

601
00:59:54.440 --> 01:00:04.719
is divination. Now for practical purposes, Egypt depends on the flooding of the

602
01:00:05.199 --> 01:00:09.960
Nile River as an agricule, as
a like imagine Egypt, what Egypt is

603
01:00:10.119 --> 01:00:15.599
is a desert with an oasis created
by by the Nile River, and it

604
01:00:15.400 --> 01:00:22.360
is a paradox. Is this paradoxical
thing that is the hardest, the harshest

605
01:00:22.480 --> 01:00:27.119
and driest place in the world.
And all of a sudden you have the

606
01:00:27.239 --> 01:00:31.000
blessing of the water of the Nile
and the minerals that come down Ethiopia on

607
01:00:31.079 --> 01:00:36.840
the Nile that create the most fertile
land in the world. But there was

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another cycle that was the yearly cycle
of the flooding of the Nile. So

609
01:00:43.360 --> 01:00:50.119
for an agricultural society, and for
the Egyptians in particular, determining when the

610
01:00:50.199 --> 01:01:00.559
flooding would happen was of existential importance
because all their culture, the depended on

611
01:01:00.280 --> 01:01:06.880
other shaustinance and everything depended on the
flooding of the Nile. So it happens

612
01:01:07.000 --> 01:01:10.159
to be that the flooding of the
Nile, it doesn't happen anymore because the

613
01:01:10.239 --> 01:01:19.079
Nile was damped. But before the
Nile, the is the the flooding of

614
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the Nile is very regular. So
what they found is that what else is

615
01:01:23.719 --> 01:01:29.639
regular well, the movement of the
stars in the sky. So by observing

616
01:01:29.719 --> 01:01:34.280
and this is why the temples were
observatories, because by observing the stars,

617
01:01:35.480 --> 01:01:39.880
I can measure time during the year, and I can predict events like of

618
01:01:40.400 --> 01:01:47.320
importance, like like of existential importance, not like in the horoscope of who

619
01:01:47.840 --> 01:01:51.639
am I gonna be lucky today and
I'm gonna fall in love? Yes or

620
01:01:51.679 --> 01:01:55.400
no? No? Not that kind
of This is existential importance. Is the

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nile gonna flood? Yes or no? And when it is gonna flood?

622
01:02:00.760 --> 01:02:06.039
Because from that depends when I'm gonna
cultivate and I'm gonna plant and I'm gonna

623
01:02:06.119 --> 01:02:10.880
harvest, Like everything in my society
revolves around that. Yeah, So the

624
01:02:12.119 --> 01:02:19.880
astronomer priests look at the sky for
signs of the of the gods in the

625
01:02:20.000 --> 01:02:25.480
sky, the stars that would predict
with that when the nile would flood,

626
01:02:27.000 --> 01:02:31.840
and based on that knowledge, they
would enact and create rituals, the ritual

627
01:02:31.920 --> 01:02:37.360
of the harvest, the ritual of
the flooding, the ritual that modulate the

628
01:02:37.480 --> 01:02:45.840
behavior of people in the Egyptian society. So basically that the temples and the

629
01:02:46.000 --> 01:02:52.880
priests worked as spacemakers to align the
cycles of the of the gods of the

630
01:02:53.519 --> 01:03:01.519
stars with the cycles of nature and
the cycles of culture to create a harmonious

631
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society. And I think the trick
and the reason why they were so successful

632
01:03:07.679 --> 01:03:12.039
and they lasted for so long,
is that they were able to create a

633
01:03:12.159 --> 01:03:16.519
society harmonious with their surroundings, with
the reality that they lived on. They

634
01:03:16.599 --> 01:03:22.039
were so sophisticated that another thing that
they had in every temple in Egypt,

635
01:03:22.079 --> 01:03:27.920
or in most temples, was something
called the nyilmeter. The nilometer was a

636
01:03:28.000 --> 01:03:32.119
well with a scale on the side
where they measured the level of the water

637
01:03:32.199 --> 01:03:37.000
of the nile. And think about
this. What they did with this,

638
01:03:37.440 --> 01:03:44.119
based on that level was they calibrated
how much they would tax the society depending

639
01:03:44.159 --> 01:03:47.800
on how much flooding they had that
year, because if there was not too

640
01:03:47.880 --> 01:03:52.559
much water, then the crops would
be poor that year, and if they

641
01:03:52.679 --> 01:03:58.480
taxed too much then they would empourage
the society. And if there was too

642
01:03:58.559 --> 01:04:02.719
much water then and the floodings would
destroy the fields and so on and again.

643
01:04:03.159 --> 01:04:06.199
So so what they were looking was
for the right amount of water to

644
01:04:06.360 --> 01:04:13.320
happen, and based on that they
calibrated how much, what percentage they would

645
01:04:13.559 --> 01:04:19.239
tax the I didn't know that.
That's pretty cool sophisticated. Think about our

646
01:04:19.400 --> 01:04:25.280
irs, like, oh, we're
the most powerful culture in the universe.

647
01:04:25.719 --> 01:04:28.800
The I R. S has a
fixed rate. It doesn't matter if it's

648
01:04:28.840 --> 01:04:31.079
a good year a year of recession, you have to pay the same damage.

649
01:04:32.440 --> 01:04:35.360
Yeah, but you see, it's
not harmonious with society. That can

650
01:04:35.639 --> 01:04:41.559
last for too long because people people
are going to revolt or the or the

651
01:04:41.679 --> 01:04:46.360
state is not calibrated to to be
optimal. Why why are it seems like

652
01:04:46.519 --> 01:04:55.360
we in our current society have downplayed
astrology, whereas these ancient cultures, the

653
01:04:55.480 --> 01:05:01.559
Chinese, the Maya, Sumerians,
the Egyptians made it part of their society.

654
01:05:02.519 --> 01:05:10.519
So the influences of the constellations must
have they must have understood the subtle

655
01:05:10.719 --> 01:05:14.760
energy is the influences of these planets
on Earth. What do you say to

656
01:05:14.840 --> 01:05:19.280
that? Oh? Absolutely, Like, so think about like the obvious ones,

657
01:05:19.400 --> 01:05:23.960
right, Like think about the sun, right, that's just the first

658
01:05:24.000 --> 01:05:29.039
cycle that you have there. Yeah, so creates day and night, and

659
01:05:29.360 --> 01:05:33.480
think about seeking Like in your psyche, what does the sun do? So

660
01:05:33.800 --> 01:05:42.400
at night you sleep and you dream
and a day you're awake and you live

661
01:05:42.440 --> 01:05:47.079
in this collective reality. So so
just think about that for a second,

662
01:05:47.159 --> 01:05:54.320
Like, like the movement of the
sun or the Earth like around the sun

663
01:05:54.719 --> 01:05:58.519
or the Sun around the Earth,
depending on how you look at it determines

664
01:05:58.960 --> 01:06:03.440
if you're dreaming or you're awake.
And then you go to another one,

665
01:06:03.519 --> 01:06:08.280
the moon, which is one of
the other panels that you have in the

666
01:06:08.519 --> 01:06:18.599
in the temple. The moon determines
the fertility of humans. The the the

667
01:06:20.039 --> 01:06:30.760
fertility, the fertility cycle of of
of women is locked, is synchronized with

668
01:06:30.880 --> 01:06:36.559
the faces of the moon m HM. So hormones, the hormonal rhythms,

669
01:06:39.440 --> 01:06:48.400
the moods are aligned with the faces
of the moon. And you have like

670
01:06:48.599 --> 01:06:55.599
there is something called lunatics, right
like like lunatics, lunatics is and this

671
01:06:55.840 --> 01:07:00.760
happens when there is full moon,
like like people go crazy, their hormones

672
01:07:00.840 --> 01:07:08.400
go crazy. Correct, you have
and and and the moon is the planet

673
01:07:08.480 --> 01:07:14.920
of water hm. It affects in
In the past, they had four elements.

674
01:07:15.079 --> 01:07:20.159
One of them was water. The
the planet that determine the rhythms of

675
01:07:20.280 --> 01:07:27.159
water or influences water is the Moon. And it's obvious right like look at

676
01:07:27.199 --> 01:07:31.639
the ocean goes up and down depending
on where the moon is, and so

677
01:07:31.840 --> 01:07:38.840
so you have all these influences that
happens, right and and they affect your

678
01:07:38.880 --> 01:07:44.920
hormones, affect your your sleeping cycles, affect your psyche. So so the

679
01:07:45.079 --> 01:07:54.880
planets are intertwined. These these celestial
beings are intertwined with our psyches. Remember

680
01:07:54.960 --> 01:07:59.079
what I was saying, before we're
made of psyche, we are we are

681
01:07:59.239 --> 01:08:09.440
consciousness, we are we're spirit.
So that's before we kill the spirit by

682
01:08:09.760 --> 01:08:15.159
introducing only reason as the supreme goddess. And there were all the gods.

683
01:08:15.840 --> 01:08:20.239
Yeah, and they're super important because
they determine who we are. And it's

684
01:08:20.319 --> 01:08:29.359
sad that we have delegitimized astrology and
now it's like you look at your Sunday

685
01:08:29.399 --> 01:08:33.119
paper to find out what's going to
happen for you, the Virgo of Gemini

686
01:08:33.279 --> 01:08:36.920
whatever for that following week, which
is kind of made it into a cartoon,

687
01:08:39.000 --> 01:08:42.479
right when it really does have the
ability to prostitute everything, right,

688
01:08:42.560 --> 01:08:46.039
Like yeah, so yeah, we
were because it's the only thing, like,

689
01:08:48.600 --> 01:08:53.720
if you cannot quantify it, then
you have to market and ridicule it,

690
01:08:54.159 --> 01:08:56.920
because that's the only thing you can
do with it. You have to

691
01:08:57.000 --> 01:09:01.119
destroy it. The book we're talking
about is dindera Temple of Time, the

692
01:09:01.239 --> 01:09:08.840
celestial wisdom of ancient Egypt and we're
speaking with the author Jose Maria Barrera.

693
01:09:09.720 --> 01:09:14.600
I want to get into these wonderful
panels, which makes up a large part

694
01:09:14.760 --> 01:09:19.359
of your book. First of all, I want you to talk a little

695
01:09:19.359 --> 01:09:26.000
bit about the makeup of the temple. There's massive columns in the very beginning

696
01:09:27.800 --> 01:09:31.479
and the capitals are the head of
Hathor at the top. Why do you

697
01:09:31.560 --> 01:09:39.439
think they did that just to sanctify
the goddess Hathor because her head is not

698
01:09:39.600 --> 01:09:45.000
only on it's like four parts of
the capitol, and those columns are huge.

699
01:09:45.199 --> 01:09:50.840
Talk a little bit about those because
they're very unique. So this ceiling

700
01:09:51.159 --> 01:09:58.720
is the size of two tennis courts, right unrests on twenty four columns,

701
01:09:58.880 --> 01:10:01.800
one for each hour of the day, and each of the columns, as

702
01:10:01.840 --> 01:10:05.720
you mentioned, has the head of
the goddess Hator on top of Actually what

703
01:10:05.880 --> 01:10:12.640
they represent are a musical instrument called
a rattle that they used to have called

704
01:10:12.640 --> 01:10:18.199
the system, and each of these
columns represents a system that is a shaker

705
01:10:18.760 --> 01:10:23.159
that they used to use in rituals
and was the instrument of the goddess Hator

706
01:10:23.520 --> 01:10:30.520
because one of the things that the
goddess was deity of was music and rhythm,

707
01:10:30.359 --> 01:10:35.479
but more than that is harmony.
So what you have at the entrance

708
01:10:35.560 --> 01:10:40.720
of this temple is you have these
musical instruments, which is a symbol of

709
01:10:40.880 --> 01:10:50.760
harmony, supporting the ceiling where the
different rhythms of life are represented. So

710
01:10:51.399 --> 01:10:55.800
what it is is the whole.
That's why the book is called Temple of

711
01:10:55.920 --> 01:11:02.239
Time because this ceiling represents the side
and the rhalms of time. So music,

712
01:11:02.600 --> 01:11:05.680
which is one of the attributes of
the goddess, and the other one

713
01:11:05.800 --> 01:11:11.520
is fertility. Right, all these
things are cyclical. So so what you

714
01:11:11.640 --> 01:11:16.720
have in this ceiling is the representation
of harmony and cycles and time wow,

715
01:11:17.039 --> 01:11:21.600
measured by the stars. Right,
let's talk about the temple. You call

716
01:11:21.640 --> 01:11:30.159
it the ceiling of pro nas naos, and that is a I guess that's

717
01:11:30.239 --> 01:11:36.920
kind of a representation of time.
Right. So pronaus is so basically,

718
01:11:38.039 --> 01:11:42.960
the naos is the main hole,
the of the of the of the of

719
01:11:43.079 --> 01:11:46.239
the temple. The pronaus is what
goes before the naos, which is the

720
01:11:46.439 --> 01:11:53.640
entrance, and that's where these twenty
four columns are. And the temple,

721
01:11:54.039 --> 01:11:58.640
as we we mentioned before, represents
the reproductive, the womb, but it's

722
01:11:58.720 --> 01:12:05.680
also the represents the universe. The
templelice is as above, so below is

723
01:12:05.720 --> 01:12:11.199
a small representation of the universe.
And it was the house of the deities

724
01:12:11.279 --> 01:12:17.000
that live in the temple. And
if you go to this, the floor

725
01:12:17.279 --> 01:12:21.920
is the earth, the columns are
the trees. And in other temples,

726
01:12:23.000 --> 01:12:27.079
like the Temple of Esna, you
can see columns like represented us trees and

727
01:12:27.199 --> 01:12:31.880
the ceiling was the sky. So
it's like a small a small model of

728
01:12:31.960 --> 01:12:36.960
the universe, right, what they
were creating, which was the house of

729
01:12:38.039 --> 01:12:40.880
the of the deity of the temple
in this case of the goddess Hator.

730
01:12:41.359 --> 01:12:45.840
Yeah, you mentioned in the book
one of the reasons that the ceiling is

731
01:12:46.199 --> 01:12:50.680
so well preserved after thousands of years
is the fact that it's so dry there.

732
01:12:53.119 --> 01:12:58.479
And also didn't they have to dig
out a portion of the temple because

733
01:12:58.520 --> 01:13:04.199
it was partially bare and sand,
correct, so when they in modern times.

734
01:13:04.359 --> 01:13:13.880
The one of the first modern encounters
of this temple with the Western world

735
01:13:14.960 --> 01:13:19.880
was at the invasion of Napoleon of
Egypt at the turn of the nineteenth century.

736
01:13:21.560 --> 01:13:27.880
He went there when he was invading
Egypt, and he brought all these

737
01:13:28.880 --> 01:13:38.079
academics to study and basically what he
wanted to do in Egypt. He wanted

738
01:13:38.119 --> 01:13:43.520
to do basically what Alexander the Great
had done and was and what the Romans

739
01:13:43.600 --> 01:13:46.840
had done, that was to take
Egypt and make it the bread the bread

740
01:13:46.920 --> 01:13:55.199
basket of the Roman Empire. So
Napoleon that had big dreams, as all

741
01:13:55.279 --> 01:14:00.800
these guys have. What he wanted
to do was to have the French Empire

742
01:14:00.600 --> 01:14:08.079
and make Egypt into the bread basket
of the French Empire. In order to

743
01:14:08.159 --> 01:14:14.720
do that, he had to basically
create infrastructure in order to grow like like.

744
01:14:15.720 --> 01:14:17.439
So this is the time of the
Enlightenment, and what they wanted to

745
01:14:17.479 --> 01:14:25.960
do was to technify and create like
infrastructure in Egypt so they could grow things

746
01:14:26.039 --> 01:14:30.760
there. So he brought all these
engineers and architects and artists and all these

747
01:14:30.800 --> 01:14:38.279
people to all these surveys to do
this. But his campaign went horribly wrong,

748
01:14:39.000 --> 01:14:43.960
and these people, these academics,
were stranded for three years in Egypt.

749
01:14:44.640 --> 01:14:48.760
And what they decided to do was
to just go tourist in tourists during

750
01:14:48.840 --> 01:14:56.840
these three years and and create document, document everything that they saw, and

751
01:14:56.960 --> 01:15:02.800
that's the beginning of modern egital basically. And when they came to this temple

752
01:15:02.880 --> 01:15:08.079
for the first time. Yeah,
the temple was covered up to like halfway

753
01:15:08.159 --> 01:15:12.079
through on sand because the sand of
the desert like blows all the time.

754
01:15:12.359 --> 01:15:15.119
And for two thousand years that these
temple had been abandoned, then it was

755
01:15:15.239 --> 01:15:23.640
halfway through covering in in sand.
Yeah, And there were veluines living inside,

756
01:15:24.000 --> 01:15:27.079
and they had created like on the
on the roof of the temple like

757
01:15:27.279 --> 01:15:33.119
a little village where you have these
variants living. And inside the temple they

758
01:15:33.239 --> 01:15:39.640
created like moonfires because to cook and
to warm up that night because it gets

759
01:15:39.880 --> 01:15:45.359
cold in the desert. And then
the suit, the smoke blackened the whole

760
01:15:45.479 --> 01:15:48.439
ceiling, so when they came in
they could see the shapes of the ceiling,

761
01:15:48.520 --> 01:15:55.640
but the colors were disappear underneath the
suit, right, And and that's

762
01:15:55.680 --> 01:15:58.880
what they cleaned, by the way, and during the last decade, and

763
01:15:59.039 --> 01:16:02.920
all the colors colors were there,
so in a way that suit protected the

764
01:16:03.039 --> 01:16:10.960
colors ye for years. Amazing.
Let's pick a panel once you give us,

765
01:16:11.439 --> 01:16:15.960
once you choose one or two that
you are most impressed with, and

766
01:16:15.119 --> 01:16:24.760
explain, perhaps a cyclic panel that
has sun cycles or something, just to

767
01:16:24.880 --> 01:16:30.800
give our listeners an idea of not
only the complexity of these panels, but

768
01:16:30.039 --> 01:16:38.279
what they represent, Okay. So
the ceiling is comprised by seven seven pounds,

769
01:16:38.439 --> 01:16:41.920
a central one and three on each
side. On the west side and

770
01:16:42.039 --> 01:16:46.279
on the east side, there are
three entry. The east side represents the

771
01:16:46.520 --> 01:16:53.520
day side and the west side represents
the night side. Also, the east

772
01:16:53.560 --> 01:16:59.079
side represents life, on the west
side represents dead. And if you go

773
01:16:59.199 --> 01:17:01.439
to Egypt, you're going to see
that all the burials, like the burial

774
01:17:01.520 --> 01:17:05.479
places, like in the value of
the king or the value of the queens

775
01:17:05.920 --> 01:17:11.159
is on the west side because it's
where the sun sets, where the sun

776
01:17:11.279 --> 01:17:15.239
dies, So it's allegorically that's the
side of death, and when the sun

777
01:17:15.479 --> 01:17:18.399
when the sun rises, is the
side of birth. That is the east

778
01:17:19.079 --> 01:17:21.720
and that's why it's east and west, day, night and so on.

779
01:17:23.000 --> 01:17:29.439
Right, it's just symbology and allegory. So the central panel and the way

780
01:17:29.520 --> 01:17:41.119
that the cycles are, the ceiling
represents the entirety of existence, meaning it

781
01:17:41.279 --> 01:17:45.560
goes from the present to eternity.
That's the entirety of time from now to

782
01:17:45.640 --> 01:17:51.680
eternity. So the center, the
central panel, the central of the panel

783
01:17:53.359 --> 01:17:57.279
that goes on top of the main
axis of the of the temple is where

784
01:17:57.319 --> 01:18:00.399
you had all the traffic of the
temple because this is the entrance, so

785
01:18:00.159 --> 01:18:05.760
all the traffic of people coming and
going out in and out was underneath the

786
01:18:05.840 --> 01:18:12.279
central panel. This central panel represents
the present. That was the panel of

787
01:18:12.399 --> 01:18:19.800
the Pharus. The Pharus were the
incarnation of the gods in in particular,

788
01:18:19.880 --> 01:18:28.000
they were they they were horrors incarnated. So this and and the Pharaoh is

789
01:18:29.399 --> 01:18:38.119
the nexus between this reality and divinity. And and he was That's what the

790
01:18:38.159 --> 01:18:45.399
Pharaoh was, was the god incarnated. So this, this central panel represents

791
01:18:45.479 --> 01:18:50.520
that, and it's the present.
And then as you start to go to

792
01:18:50.640 --> 01:18:58.399
the sides to your panels, there
slower and slower cycles right with slower frequencies

793
01:18:58.920 --> 01:19:04.840
that they the month, the year. And then the ceiling isn't closed by

794
01:19:04.880 --> 01:19:10.960
the goddess nut that is the sky. That is the blackness of the sky,

795
01:19:12.039 --> 01:19:16.000
And that's eternity because it's immovable,
nothing happens, nothing moves, that's

796
01:19:16.039 --> 01:19:23.119
eternity. So is the slowest possible
frequency is where nothing moves. The fastest

797
01:19:23.199 --> 01:19:27.960
possible frequency is the center, that
is the present. So what you have

798
01:19:28.079 --> 01:19:33.560
there is a whole map of existence
of any possibility in time and then,

799
01:19:34.119 --> 01:19:38.560
as I mentioned before, one of
the first panels that you see is the

800
01:19:39.079 --> 01:19:43.279
panel where they have the boats with
the sun at different stages of life,

801
01:19:44.359 --> 01:19:48.640
a child at noon and an old
guy in the in the afternoon. That

802
01:19:49.119 --> 01:19:55.760
represents the journey of the sun during
the day. That's the first cycle.

803
01:19:56.199 --> 01:20:00.039
Then on the other side, the
first panel on the west is the panel

804
01:20:00.079 --> 01:20:05.800
of the moon and is the month. And by the way, month and

805
01:20:06.800 --> 01:20:12.800
moon is the same word, menstruation
is the same word. Those three things

806
01:20:12.840 --> 01:20:16.640
are the same word basically themologically.
That's the panel of fertility, the cycle

807
01:20:16.720 --> 01:20:21.600
of fertility. The panel of twenty
twenty eight point five days or whatever is

808
01:20:21.640 --> 01:20:27.039
the monthly length of the month.
And then you have two other panels on

809
01:20:27.159 --> 01:20:34.279
each side that presents something called the
deacens. The deacens was thirty six groups

810
01:20:34.359 --> 01:20:41.960
of stars that they used to measure
the hours of the night, so that

811
01:20:42.079 --> 01:20:48.199
represents the night, but also a
differentique deacan appears every ten days, so

812
01:20:48.479 --> 01:20:54.920
thirty six by ten is three hundred
and sixty, which where the original length

813
01:20:55.000 --> 01:20:59.600
of the year on Egypt, three
hundred and sixty days. And then they

814
01:20:59.680 --> 01:21:04.600
added five more for five gods,
and that's three hundred and fifty days and

815
01:21:04.760 --> 01:21:13.039
that's that's and sixty five days.
Sorry, and that's another contribution in astronomy

816
01:21:13.159 --> 01:21:16.720
of the Egyptians is the year,
basically the three hundred and sixty five year

817
01:21:17.239 --> 01:21:25.640
day year. And then on the
side the panels you have the constellations of

818
01:21:25.680 --> 01:21:30.720
the zodiac that represents the year,
and then the great year, which is

819
01:21:30.960 --> 01:21:35.319
the precession, the quinoxial precession,
and then it closes with the goddess,

820
01:21:35.439 --> 01:21:40.720
which is Eternity. Well wait a
minute, are you saying that the precession

821
01:21:40.800 --> 01:21:46.520
of the equinox is explained in the
hieroglyphs and the ceiling. No, basically

822
01:21:48.199 --> 01:21:55.279
the observation of the change of the
precession, right, like if you think

823
01:21:55.319 --> 01:22:00.680
about Egypt, So first of all, the signs of the Oudiac, the

824
01:22:00.840 --> 01:22:06.279
constellations of the zodiac are not Egyptian. They're from Babylon. Yes, But

825
01:22:06.720 --> 01:22:13.079
because this is a late temple.
And remember the Greeks conquer Egypt for three

826
01:22:13.159 --> 01:22:17.960
hundred years at the end of the
of the in the Late Egypt the Greeks

827
01:22:18.079 --> 01:22:25.880
were influenced by the Babylonians and they
were the ones who brought the constellations of

828
01:22:25.920 --> 01:22:32.640
the zodiac into Egypt. So in
this in this cross breeding between cultures,

829
01:22:32.720 --> 01:22:38.000
the Egyptian and the and the and
the Greek culture. One of the things

830
01:22:38.079 --> 01:22:44.000
that the Greeks brought and and the
the Persians before, but by the way,

831
01:22:44.960 --> 01:22:47.279
was the zodiac, the knowledge of
the of the constellations of the sodiac.

832
01:22:47.720 --> 01:22:53.199
Now, because of the length of
the culture in Egypt, that is

833
01:22:53.399 --> 01:23:01.159
like close to six thousand years if
you take the official Egyptological timeline, right,

834
01:23:03.199 --> 01:23:08.560
is so long that when you create
the temples and you align them to

835
01:23:08.760 --> 01:23:13.840
stars because you want to use the
temple as reference points to measure the movement

836
01:23:13.920 --> 01:23:17.880
of the stars, because the culture
goes so long because of the procession,

837
01:23:18.640 --> 01:23:25.159
what happens is that the stars start
to move and your temple doesn't align with

838
01:23:25.279 --> 01:23:30.800
that star anymore after three four hundred
years. So that's how you start to

839
01:23:30.960 --> 01:23:36.560
notice that there is equinoctial precession because
you start as in a lifetime, you

840
01:23:36.640 --> 01:23:42.840
cannot see it because it's too slow. But in the lifetime of the culture

841
01:23:42.920 --> 01:23:47.560
of Egypt, they went through three
different houses of the Soiliac basically, which

842
01:23:47.640 --> 01:23:53.399
means that they're a lot older than
we think. They're probably very very old

843
01:23:53.479 --> 01:23:59.239
culture. Hey, yeah, that's
that's absolutely possible. Yes, yeah.

844
01:24:00.920 --> 01:24:06.520
Do you think that the composition of
the temple with these panels, with this

845
01:24:08.960 --> 01:24:18.640
objects, this viewing of astronomy and
aspects of astrology make it a tool for

846
01:24:18.840 --> 01:24:28.439
prediction or prophecy. Where whereas a
priest astronomer could actually look at the ceiling,

847
01:24:29.279 --> 01:24:30.800
look at the sky and say,
okay, we can look forward to

848
01:24:31.000 --> 01:24:39.479
this type of agricultural That was the
sole function of that was exactly that's the

849
01:24:39.640 --> 01:24:45.520
primordial function of astronomy and antiquity was
to be able to predict the seasons and

850
01:24:46.359 --> 01:24:50.840
in this case the flooding of the
nile. So all these monuments is Stonehenge.

851
01:24:50.960 --> 01:24:56.319
And when when you start to look
at the starts and you start to

852
01:24:56.399 --> 01:25:03.520
align things. Measurement has to come
with a cultural and agricultural society requires a

853
01:25:03.760 --> 01:25:10.520
measurement of time because you have to
know the seasonality and the rhythms of of

854
01:25:11.279 --> 01:25:15.399
your crops, so you have to
start to measure things. So measurement is

855
01:25:15.439 --> 01:25:21.359
a prerequisite of an agricultural civilization.
And the way you measure time, the

856
01:25:21.960 --> 01:25:28.479
natural clock is the regular movement of
the stars. So what's predictive. The

857
01:25:28.560 --> 01:25:34.560
predictive is the is watching the planets
and the constellations, and then as a

858
01:25:35.640 --> 01:25:41.880
observer priest, you can use the
temple as kind of a calculator, correct,

859
01:25:42.439 --> 01:25:45.439
because you are aligning your you're aligning
your temple to the stars, and

860
01:25:45.560 --> 01:25:49.239
you create calendars where you say,
oh, okay, the thing that looks

861
01:25:49.319 --> 01:25:55.159
like a scorpion is showing up now, hence we are in September or whatever

862
01:25:55.319 --> 01:26:00.359
right now. The most important observation
that they had was the star series the

863
01:26:00.479 --> 01:26:05.439
Dog Star, because that start they
found that it happened right before the flooding

864
01:26:05.520 --> 01:26:10.359
of the Nile, so that was
the beginning of the of the Egyptian year.

865
01:26:11.119 --> 01:26:15.399
Was the rising for the first time
on the year of the star series

866
01:26:15.680 --> 01:26:21.000
the Dog Star, because that was
the whole thing, remember, was about

867
01:26:21.399 --> 01:26:26.479
the flooding of the Nile. That
was there were obsests like that. They

868
01:26:26.560 --> 01:26:35.199
had to why are why is the
paradigm of the current science so detached from

869
01:26:36.560 --> 01:26:42.399
this type of science? And when
I say that, here we are talking

870
01:26:42.439 --> 01:26:49.560
about predictive aspects of the temple,
encoding high functionality, but almost on a

871
01:26:49.640 --> 01:26:59.520
metaphysical level. In today's terms,
you don't hear Egyptologists talking about this type

872
01:26:59.520 --> 01:27:03.319
of thing. And to me,
it's such a huge disconnection. It's almost

873
01:27:03.359 --> 01:27:11.520
like they're outside of the fundamentals of
these people, looking in and kind of

874
01:27:11.640 --> 01:27:15.960
guessing at who they were. Where
I hear you're talking in more of an

875
01:27:16.039 --> 01:27:24.159
indigenous focal point of these temples,
right. I think it's a matter of

876
01:27:24.279 --> 01:27:27.720
perspective, right, Like, one
thing is if you look at things from

877
01:27:27.800 --> 01:27:32.039
the outside in or the inside out. So if you go to museums and

878
01:27:32.119 --> 01:27:40.960
they have these dioramas of the science, is the idea of you have this

879
01:27:41.319 --> 01:27:49.199
observer that is looking objectively at society
or at reality. From the observer doesn't

880
01:27:49.239 --> 01:28:00.560
intervene in society. So the anthropologist
goes to the primitive and sits down with

881
01:28:00.720 --> 01:28:08.520
his book and his western clothes and
takes notes on how these primitives worship the

882
01:28:08.600 --> 01:28:12.319
sun? Right and is this and
you can see that it's very funny when

883
01:28:12.319 --> 01:28:16.560
when you read the Gyptologists from the
turn of the century. Is yeah,

884
01:28:16.600 --> 01:28:23.359
it's these Europeans, enlightened Europeans looking
down at the people with no clothes,

885
01:28:23.640 --> 01:28:27.960
right like, and it's very very, very very interesting. Is this looking

886
01:28:28.159 --> 01:28:31.079
down at things? Now? The
slap in their face was that they saw

887
01:28:31.239 --> 01:28:35.239
the pyramids and these monuments and they
were like Jesus Christ. We cannot build

888
01:28:35.279 --> 01:28:40.199
these things today. Have idea it's
better than any of the churches that we

889
01:28:40.319 --> 01:28:44.239
have or any of these things.
So is this pilots right and the fascination

890
01:28:44.479 --> 01:28:47.920
is that right? Like at the
end, But yeah, it's I think

891
01:28:48.199 --> 01:28:51.760
like, remember this, this is
the product of colonialism, right, Like

892
01:28:53.960 --> 01:29:02.479
Egyptology is the conception. The conception
is right in the middle of like the

893
01:29:03.600 --> 01:29:09.279
the East India Company at the time, right, was trading in India.

894
01:29:09.520 --> 01:29:14.000
The reason why Napoleon was was was
in in in Egypt or when to each

895
01:29:14.119 --> 01:29:17.119
one of the reasons besides trying to
make it the Red Basket, was to

896
01:29:17.399 --> 01:29:25.560
cut the communications route through through the
Red Sea of the British Empire because they

897
01:29:25.600 --> 01:29:29.880
were at war, right Yeah.
So so it's right at the center of

898
01:29:30.159 --> 01:29:35.279
colony. Right. So that's that's
the the birth of Egyptology, right.

899
01:29:35.319 --> 01:29:42.279
And I think it's tainted with that
because I just I mean, your book

900
01:29:42.399 --> 01:29:49.079
is so thunder read because you're explaining
esoteric subject matter and you're talking about a

901
01:29:49.199 --> 01:29:59.000
lost science basically of combining astrology,
astronomy, engineering, and earth fundamentals and

902
01:29:59.079 --> 01:30:03.079
I'm talking about the gravitation and things
like that. And when we read these

903
01:30:03.319 --> 01:30:13.600
Uh, these academic books, they're
just so dry and they they don't seem

904
01:30:13.760 --> 01:30:23.680
to want to combine the fundamental,
fundamental aspects of these cultures and the their

905
01:30:24.000 --> 01:30:28.479
connection to these subtle energies that we're
talking about, you know, which is

906
01:30:28.680 --> 01:30:32.720
so much a part of their connection
with Earth Gaia, you know, to

907
01:30:33.279 --> 01:30:38.119
understand. And the other thing is
we don't have a name for their science,

908
01:30:38.239 --> 01:30:45.319
but obviously their their science and their
lifestyle is is Earth based. Right,

909
01:30:45.439 --> 01:30:48.720
It's Earth centric. It's not detached. It's like, as the Earth

910
01:30:49.199 --> 01:30:55.640
and the heavens move, so do
we as a biological beings on the planet

911
01:30:55.720 --> 01:31:01.840
Earth. Right. Yeah. Absolutely, But also think about this. They

912
01:31:01.880 --> 01:31:10.199
didn't have acor or antibiotics, and
that sucks. Yeah, it would have

913
01:31:10.239 --> 01:31:14.560
been tough back then. Oh yeah, you might know anesthetics like how to

914
01:31:15.920 --> 01:31:20.720
bite a piece of wood in order
to have an amputation exactly exactly. This

915
01:31:20.880 --> 01:31:26.439
is a wonderful book. Again,
it's called Thendara Temple of Time, the

916
01:31:26.560 --> 01:31:31.239
Celestial Wisdom of Ancient Egypt. My
guess today has been Jose Maria Barrera.

917
01:31:32.079 --> 01:31:36.640
Uh. Not only is it an
amazing uh. And by the way,

918
01:31:36.800 --> 01:31:41.439
we didn't even talk about the cameras
that you used to take photographs. They're

919
01:31:41.560 --> 01:31:48.279
just this is an outstanding UH photographic
assessment of hath Or Temple. Beautiful camera

920
01:31:48.399 --> 01:31:56.720
work. But your publisher UH was
not cheap in reproducing this because this is

921
01:31:56.720 --> 01:32:02.279
an expensive book, simply because from
start to fail their color photographs. Right.

922
01:32:02.600 --> 01:32:06.560
It's a real beautiful book. And
I want to acknowledge one thing that

923
01:32:06.640 --> 01:32:12.720
I haven't done publicly, but I
want to acknowledge the tremendous work that Inner

924
01:32:12.760 --> 01:32:17.840
Traditions did because the only requirement that
I had with this book was that I

925
01:32:18.000 --> 01:32:21.960
want the photos to shine right.
I wanted to quality the book to be

926
01:32:23.520 --> 01:32:30.159
super because otherwise the book loses its
luster. So I want to accoilate for

927
01:32:30.760 --> 01:32:34.399
Inner Traditions. They did a wonderful
and beautiful work with this. Yeah.

928
01:32:34.399 --> 01:32:39.880
I want to mention to those of
you guys listening to this. We've had

929
01:32:41.319 --> 01:32:45.760
editors from National Geo, National Geographic, and the Smithsonian. We've promoted a

930
01:32:45.840 --> 01:32:50.720
number of books from different authors.
This book by Inner Traditions is an equal,

931
01:32:51.079 --> 01:32:57.399
if not better than a lot of
those books, simply because Jose captures

932
01:32:57.560 --> 01:33:02.359
not only the central aspect of the
ten of heath Or, but subtle areas

933
01:33:03.199 --> 01:33:10.199
the side walls, the columns,
which are very very important. And it's

934
01:33:10.239 --> 01:33:13.239
a really great study. It's a
it's a great book. And when I

935
01:33:13.279 --> 01:33:18.680
congratulate you, Jose, I wish
you well. How can people get ahold

936
01:33:18.760 --> 01:33:23.720
of you? What's your website?
Give us your website. Oh, I'm

937
01:33:23.760 --> 01:33:26.720
gonna do it, but it is
some mouthful. Oh like, it's not

938
01:33:26.880 --> 01:33:31.479
just Jose Barrera. Is Jose Maria
Barrera my full name, like my full

939
01:33:31.600 --> 01:33:36.119
Catholic name. Okay, one hundred
and multiple hours and so on. I

940
01:33:36.199 --> 01:33:42.560
think the best way to find me
is through Amazon. So if you look

941
01:33:42.640 --> 01:33:45.880
for them, they're a temple of
time. Okay, you're gonna find my

942
01:33:45.039 --> 01:33:47.760
name. And if you look,
you put all my name together. Jose

943
01:33:47.960 --> 01:33:51.520
Maria Barrera dot com. You can
go there. And by the way,

944
01:33:51.640 --> 01:33:57.119
there I have the ceiling, the
reconstruction of the entire city, the ceiling

945
01:33:57.720 --> 01:34:00.560
in one image, just like Google, where you can zoom in and you

946
01:34:00.640 --> 01:34:05.439
can see the details. Oh so
you use a special three sixty camera lens

947
01:34:06.039 --> 01:34:10.239
and kept it the whole You swept
the whole. No, no, I

948
01:34:10.319 --> 01:34:13.720
did it manually. I took five
thousand photos of the ceiling. Oh my

949
01:34:14.119 --> 01:34:17.640
god, three months to reconstruct the
whole ceiling in one image, so you

950
01:34:17.720 --> 01:34:21.640
can zoom in and see a little
details of the zoom see little cracks on

951
01:34:21.800 --> 01:34:27.039
every go. Wow, amazing.
Uh, this book just came out.

952
01:34:27.720 --> 01:34:31.039
Uh we were talking about this before. Jose said it came out in January,

953
01:34:31.079 --> 01:34:34.239
but it's I'm showing that. The
pub date is February. Uh.

954
01:34:34.760 --> 01:34:41.359
It's available on Amazon and wherever you
get your books. Uh, it's it's

955
01:34:41.880 --> 01:34:45.199
it's a bigger book. They call
it coffee Table because they there. The

956
01:34:45.319 --> 01:34:50.119
pages are beautiful reproductions of the ceiling. Do you have a do you have

957
01:34:50.199 --> 01:34:54.039
a website? I mean not a
website, but do you have a YouTube

958
01:34:54.119 --> 01:34:58.399
channel where you're talking about any of
this or where else can people here hear

959
01:34:58.439 --> 01:35:01.720
from you? You have a lecture
circuit? Yes, yes, it's from

960
01:35:01.720 --> 01:35:04.760
my website. If you go there, there is a link there to Okay,

961
01:35:06.159 --> 01:35:12.880
fantastic Jose, wonderful work. Thank
you for joining me. I appreciate

962
01:35:12.960 --> 01:35:16.800
the fact that you're open and you're
very expressive, and I think you understand

963
01:35:16.960 --> 01:35:25.720
the various dimensions of these people and
what they reproduced in this temple. So

964
01:35:27.279 --> 01:35:33.439
hey, congratulations on this book,
and thank you for joining me. Cleave

965
01:35:33.880 --> 01:35:38.239
no I must stay and thank you
for your kind words, and it was

966
01:35:38.279 --> 01:35:45.800
a pleasure. I didn't mention that
this book has been out now for a

967
01:35:45.880 --> 01:35:51.840
few weeks and it's available on Amazon
and other locations. If you get it

968
01:35:51.920 --> 01:35:58.359
on Amazon now, I think they're
shaving a few bucks off. It's a

969
01:35:58.399 --> 01:36:01.880
coffee table book. They're usually expand
this book's around sixty, but I think

970
01:36:01.920 --> 01:36:04.960
you can get it for less than
that if you look around, I think

971
01:36:05.000 --> 01:36:10.239
you can get it for like fifty
or less. It's pretty large, and

972
01:36:10.359 --> 01:36:16.720
it is beautifully rendered. The photographs
are beautiful, and Jose's description of the

973
01:36:17.319 --> 01:36:26.000
astrological calendar and mathematics and the other
subjects we have just presented are all in

974
01:36:26.119 --> 01:36:31.000
that book. Quick read, nothing
extensive, but again the photographs are beautiful.

975
01:36:31.159 --> 01:36:34.960
It really is a good value,
so real fun to have him on

976
01:36:35.039 --> 01:36:39.119
the program. I have to have
and I was reminded of this in our

977
01:36:39.199 --> 01:36:45.399
conversation. I have to have somebody
who has done some serious energy scanning,

978
01:36:45.520 --> 01:36:50.960
in other words, something like John
Burke did at t call the Mayan City

979
01:36:51.239 --> 01:36:58.560
and Guatemala, and I think he
was at chichen Itza, and they use

980
01:36:58.760 --> 01:37:06.000
very special scanning equipment and they can
find the various vortex or geomagnetic energy fields

981
01:37:06.039 --> 01:37:14.359
that are bubbling up from the ground
and which per permeate these temples and pyramids.

982
01:37:14.960 --> 01:37:19.159
And this was what makes John Burke's
books so important is that he actually

983
01:37:19.319 --> 01:37:28.800
measures the emissions and perhaps describes how
the Maya use that energy. We don't

984
01:37:29.039 --> 01:37:35.399
really know, except when you read
John Anthony West's book d Lubch, his

985
01:37:36.199 --> 01:37:45.600
mentor's book on pyramid construction, pyramid
building design. We don't know exactly if

986
01:37:45.720 --> 01:37:51.359
they are a seasonal vibration that this
is when the pharaohs and the queens would

987
01:37:51.359 --> 01:37:57.640
go and be bathed in this energy, or if it's constant like the Kufu

988
01:37:57.760 --> 01:38:00.960
Pyramid, and we've been in there
many times. And by the way,

989
01:38:00.600 --> 01:38:08.000
both hath are multiple other temples and
Cufu Pyramid is part of the Grand Egyptian

990
01:38:08.119 --> 01:38:14.880
Tour coming up April twenty eight through
May ninth, and we have a few

991
01:38:14.920 --> 01:38:18.920
spaces left. Check that out Earth
Ancients dot Com Forward tours. But we

992
01:38:19.039 --> 01:38:27.159
don't know. It's hard to measure. We're not wired to understand geomagnetic energy

993
01:38:27.840 --> 01:38:30.600
and to utilize it. We might
think about it, we might, as

994
01:38:30.680 --> 01:38:41.520
Jose eloquently described, feel it during
lunar cycles. I think that astrology plays

995
01:38:41.560 --> 01:38:46.880
a greater role than we suspect,
and when these tools come about that can

996
01:38:47.079 --> 01:38:55.560
measure human physiology and its connection to
geomagnetic and other earth tulleric energy fields,

997
01:38:56.439 --> 01:39:00.840
we'll pay more attention to it.
I mean, really, to know that

998
01:39:00.000 --> 01:39:06.840
there are spots in different parts of
the world and also at these ancient in

999
01:39:06.960 --> 01:39:13.479
some places sacred sites. People will
will go there and droves just to be

1000
01:39:13.640 --> 01:39:18.600
in it. So this is important. So anyhow, good to have Jose

1001
01:39:18.880 --> 01:39:24.479
on the program. And God,
I'd love hath Our temple and I was

1002
01:39:24.560 --> 01:39:29.600
serious too. When you go there, it's so overwhelming. What they have

1003
01:39:29.800 --> 01:39:35.159
done is they've cleaned the ceiling,
they've cleaned the columns, and the original

1004
01:39:35.520 --> 01:39:43.199
color is exposed to everybody's who can
see it. It's beautiful. It's shades

1005
01:39:43.239 --> 01:39:47.000
of blue. By the way,
I will be posting photographs on the Facebook

1006
01:39:47.039 --> 01:39:49.359
page. Go to Facebook, go
to Earth Ancients, go to the group

1007
01:39:49.479 --> 01:39:55.720
or the international page. And I
have some ceiling photographs. I have a

1008
01:39:55.800 --> 01:40:02.119
page from Jose's book where he has
basically taken hundreds of photographs and reproduced them

1009
01:40:02.720 --> 01:40:08.319
so that you can zero in on
certain parts of it and see the details.

1010
01:40:08.600 --> 01:40:15.239
It's just it's really a classic beauty. It really is Hathor Temple so

1011
01:40:15.359 --> 01:40:18.039
much. We didn't get into in
this talk too. Where about the cryps?

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Now, Eric von Donegan, and
this is thirty years ago, went

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down into one of the crips and
found what he called the dendera lamp.

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There's been a lot of people that
say he's kind of nutty about that.

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It's not true, but he claims
that the Dynastic Egyptians had light bulbs,

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and there's two what looks like large
light bulbs or some form of technology in

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this one crypt. Since that's been
open, there's three or possibly four cryps

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that we visit every year and they're
under the surface of the floor. And

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Jose was nice about it, but
I have to tell you that the Gyptian

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authorities, the Antiquities Department, is
extremely frustrating for those of you like myself

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who are seekers of knowledge, seekers
of the information that is embedded in these

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places. And why they don't use
ground penetrating radar, why we don't use

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site scan equipment as well as lightar
is just a huge question that no one

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seems to be answering, and it
really brings up suspicion and question about why

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we can't dig in further. I
mean, Jose knows most people who visit

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Hawthore know that it sits on top
of a much older, perhaps ancient temple

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that we'll never see in this lifetime
because they are hesitant, the authorities are

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01:41:51.159 --> 01:41:57.119
hesitant to scan. Now, there's
also the issue with finance, with money,

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and this is a third world country
and they have a lot of impoverished

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people, so that should be number
one on their list. But for those

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of us seeking, I pay an
extra fifty bucks to go down a crypt,

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to go down a shaft to see
an earlier temple. Don't get me

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01:42:14.520 --> 01:42:17.600
started on Egypt. It's a beautiful, wonderful place. I love the people,

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but governance is not their strong suit. Okay anyhow, by the way,

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just as a side note, Earth
Ancients goes to a lot of these

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places, and we have some of
the guests on this show as hosts.

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Our Grand Egyptian tour for this year
is April twenty eight through May ninth.

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Our host is Mohammed Imbrahem. We'll
meet everybody meets in Cairo and from there

1039
01:42:49.640 --> 01:42:57.840
on we are escorted through basically a
private tour. It's a VIP level tour

1040
01:42:58.880 --> 01:43:01.960
for a beer budget, so believe
me, it's half the price of what

1041
01:43:02.159 --> 01:43:08.399
these typical tours are without the crowds, in a private, air conditioned,

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01:43:08.560 --> 01:43:13.800
lovely bus, and it is just
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more information on that tour, go
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01:43:19.239 --> 01:43:23.479
Yeah, check it out. It's
coming up and I'm really excited about

1045
01:43:23.560 --> 01:43:27.760
it, so that's why I love
it. We also are doing Turkey that's

1046
01:43:27.800 --> 01:43:32.479
Quebec to Mee Tepee, Darren Kuruk, Cappadocia, on and on and on.

1047
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That's a twelve day tour that is
August fourteenth through the twenty fourth,

1048
01:43:38.760 --> 01:43:43.920
and then we finished the year in
Mexico in the Yucatan Peninsula where some of

1049
01:43:43.960 --> 01:43:47.159
the world's most beautiful cities are of
the ancient Maya. That's going to be

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November eight through seventeenth. For more
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Tours. We have a black there's
small tours twenty twenty five. If it's

1052
01:44:02.039 --> 01:44:06.880
more than twenty five is fairly rare, and you make friends, you have

1053
01:44:08.119 --> 01:44:13.680
fun, and I have a blast
with everybody and they're so rewarding and very

1054
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sacred too. We do intention meditation, so you could bring in information on

1055
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your health, on your future,
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1056
01:44:24.920 --> 01:44:26.920
to know what I mean. I've
been to some of these temples and all

1057
01:44:27.000 --> 01:44:30.880
sudden an intention and all of a
sudden, next morning there's a download,

1058
01:44:30.920 --> 01:44:36.319
and I'm going, oh my god, really, so something to consider.

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1072
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1073
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1074
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1077
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1079
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1082
01:46:55.680 --> 01:46:57.800
right, that's it for this program. I want to think my guest today,

1083
01:46:58.920 --> 01:47:03.119
jose Ria Barrera coming to us from
Germany. I think he was in

1084
01:47:03.199 --> 01:47:10.800
Berlin. And it's always the team
of Gail tour, Mark Foster and everyone

1085
01:47:10.840 --> 01:47:15.199
who makes this thing happen. Thank
you. You guys rock all right,

1086
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Take care of you well, and
we'll talk to you next time.