Now we head to Arizona. We're in a recent state Supreme Court ruling.
The body decided to go back to a Civil War era law that bans all
abortioned with the exception of life of the mother. Even more crazy, members
of the state Senate had a prayer circle, speaking in tongue. Helen has
more on the stword Helen, Well, Jess. When you think the government
can't get any more bizarre, politicians just continue to bring on the crazy.
The Arizona State Senate success and overturning Roe v. Wade now has one of
the most restrictive bans on bodily autonomy in the United States. This happened by
means of a Civil War era law which was written into the books before Arizona
was even a state. Even more crazy, members of Arizona State Senate head
prayer circle and spoken tongues. Senator Anthony Kern left the prayer, though the
specifics are lacking off for what they asked their invisible I Goetty four. This
is another example of religion invading not only our state government, but using sub
religion to inform policy. This story is from The Friendly Atheist by Him and
Meta on April eleven, twenty twenty four. Okay, okay, okay,
Now, those of you that have been that I have seen me on the
show, and those of you on my panel that are on my buds,
this makes me mad because I'm tired, so tired of religion taking people's ability
away to make decisions for their own bodies, their own families, their own
lives. I feel like a broken record. I'm getting sick of being this
broken record. And I know that the majority of people, even people that
are religious, agree with me. This is a fucked up law. And
the fact that we have state representatives praying and speaking in tongues on the Senate
floor in Arizona, it's fucking weird. It's disturbing, and I have questions
what has happened? What has happened? Because okay, like I okay,
okay, okay, take a moment. I'm gonna center myself to talk to
saying okay, we're out, yeah, okay, okay, let me take
a moment. Okay. Now, I understand there are plenty of people in
government that are religious. There are plenty and they and they're not all Christians,
you know. They There are plenty of people that have many different views,
and I think that's a good thing. I think that if we live
in a democracy, that means that every single type of person, regard depending
on their background, their sexuality, you know, what the color skin is,
their culture should be represented. You know, like this is a very
important me living in democracy. But but what happens is been through that the
religious people have said, oh you know what, we get to be number
one say and fuck you all. Basically that's the attitude that's happened. And
the fact that they had to go back to one the Civil War to bring
this law about says where their mindset is, where you can marry a ten
year old and everybody was dying from dysentery, you know like this, and
also you could there were laws against beating your wife, but the wick couldn't
be any bigger than your thumb. So that that's the type of stuff we're
looking at right now where they got these ideas from. And also that if
I would hope that everybody that the people that make our policy, why did
I have a prayer circle and start speaking gibberish? I find that questionable,
And I worry about your ability to make laws for your constituents and the and
your state is large, like I have questions and I wonder why so.
And also there's some Christian persecution, go perceived Christian personcution going on. We
can talk about that a little bit more, but this, this is very
problematic and unfortunately is a center of a wire problem that continues to keep happening.
So anyway, I said that I'm going to go have tea with Satan
and I'll be back while Helen has tea with Satan. Let's go back to
this whole thing about how the Senate, specifically Senator State Senator Anthony Kern,
decided to have this whole prayer circle. And I wanted to ask you,
in Fidel, if you can just give us a little bit more sordid detail
about the glossily Gatherine that happened in Arizona. I have to say that being
raised around that it was definitely a triggering event just to sit and listen to
this Yabba daba doing and it was just, you know, they preresent this
veneer of holiness or whatever they want to call it. But the truth is
they're doing exactly what Jesus said not to do. They shouldn't be praying in
public and beating the floors and pounding their chest and doling all of this.
It just is another example of how they want to put their religiosity front and
center because it's what they want to be judged by. It's what people want
people to judge them as is. They're the good Christians who want to bring
godly things to you. So how can you be against that? I can't
remember exactly how he worded it, but it was some kind of oh,
the god haters are out against it now when somebody complained about their whole speaking
in tongues nonsense, and no, this isn't about God haters. This is
about people who will just want fundamental rights that anybody should be able to have
and going back and anytime your group is going back to the Civil War era
to defend a law, and as Helen mentioned, where ten year olds were
allowed to marry, maybe you want to reconsider what your goals are. So
I think that they have made this front and center though, So that is
the one good thing is because all eyes are on Arizona now. Whether the
Yaba Dabad had anything to do with it, I have my doubts, but
okay, be careful what you wish for as I've said before, I don't
think the Republicans ever wanted to win this now and that they've got it,
it's sitting firmly in their laps. I've mentioned the dog catching the car before
and saying it again. I think we're seeing the car go back up and
reverse and roll over a few times here because now they own it. They
asked far it, they got it, and this is what happens when you
leave it to the states. That's exact. Well, I guess not really
because it was a territory then, but same premises apply. You bring up
a really good point, especially about you know, the Republican lawmakers, because
they're the ones who kind of like perpetuated this whole thing, you know,
And the article actually highlight the complicity of Republican lawmakers and advancing regressive policies that
harm women's reproductive right. And I know that, Jason, you have some
pinions about this particular totori, and I would love to hear your opinions,
if you will, please Expand you know, Helen and Infidel said smart things.
I just just what the fuck, man, I just I don't even
know what's going on. This is they're literally doing fucking magic spells, saying
weird fake words, making berserk sounds while bowing in a circle and beating on
the ground. I mean, seriously, what the fuck man the And these
are the same people who are worried about any of you who use science,
scientific methodology to confirm reality that we literally have fucking wizards speaking magic enchantments in
the middle of a fucking government facility where they make decisions about people's lives.
Something has to fucking change. I agree with Helen, So something has to
fucking change. This is terrifying. This is the type of fucking extremist religious
formative fucking nonsense that we see allowed. I mean, on the world stage
at this point, we see we see people speaking in tons. It just
it bowls my fucking mind. This is supposed to be home for secular reasoning.
This is a place where we should be able to exchange ideas without the
poisonous fangs of religion there to drain the life out of any exploit aimed at
increasing the well being of the majority. This, this is fucking just lunacy
to me that that this is even allowed, and that anybody takes a shit
serious. And I agree with Infidel. This is this is the type of
shit I grew up around. Was this type of shit, was people fucking
just blurting out fucking nonsense and then people pretending like it was poignant. And
then you're being raised around this shit and you start getting emotional reactions to this
shit. Your identity gets fucking foreclosed and you're actually like caring about this.
This is fucking just nonsense. And we have people literally making decisions that affect
lives, literal lives and health, medical fucking decisions while they do some fucking
magic cult shit. I and that's what it is. This is some fucking
cult shit, and it's disgusting and I'm appalled, and I think Infidel's wat
we brought it up. This is what happens when you do states rights,
and that term states rights comes from people trying to keep their territory, their
state a fucking racist hell hole. That is what it has progressed from is
racism. It has been propagated by the same fucking breed of people, these
motherfuckers, man, And it's disgusting that they have so much that what they
say and what they do bears so much gravitas on our existence. I just
I don't. It's it's crazy making. It's the fact that this actually makes
an impact and these people are even allowed to make these decisions. Is it
just? It just sucks all optimism out of me. And now I'm just
trying to see how the fuck do I get out of this country once my
kid's old enough. I don't want to be here anymore. I'm in fucking
Texas. And if y'all read the shit that the Texas GOP issued, I
think it's twenty sixteen, twenty seventeen their mission statement. It's the same shit,
and these are the motherfuckers that are making decisions, and especially in places
like Arizona and places like Texas, I believe Arizona is the same. It's
a minority majority state. That means that people in power are not representative of
the majority of the people and their needs within their own fucking state. And
I don't know anything out of this. One's gonna be rambling and saying more
hate. I'm gonna get back to you, Cynthia, because I'm just I'm
disgusted, and I don't. I don't see any other way other than barring
these fucking people, because this isn't banning religious expression. You can do whatever
fucking weird shit you want to do. I do weird shit. Everyone here
does weird ship. But I don't do it unless somebody can sense, and
I do it in the fucking place that is meant to be right. I'm
not. I'm not doing a cage fight while I'm on the job site,
right. That's that's that's that's ridiculous. I wouldn't just start fucking shadow boxing
and punching people. You know. So you want to fucking say you're weird
gibberous ship and you want to act, get all fucking hyped up, do
it in your bedroom, you do it in your place of worship. Keep
it out of my fucking shit, because at that point you are you are
hindering religious freedom for all the other religious people who don't practice the fucking cult
ship that these fucking people practice. Yeah, I think it's very I think
it's very appropriate to bring that up, especially like when people are imbuing their
belief systems into how they are conducting law, they are basically utilizing their own
personal beliefs and and come to mention that the Bible never addressed abortion. Matter
of fact, if you really want to get into it, especially if we
look at the Old Testament, if a woman was suspected of having relations outside
of the marriage, that the husband was perfectly in his right to go to
the pre where the priests would mix up some type of magical concoction called bitter
water, and she drank it and she lost the baby. That means that
she did in fact commit adultery, you know. So basically they were saying,
if she actually stepped outside the marriage and actually had a or got pregnant
from another person that was not her husband, then abortion was perfectly within the
right, you know. You know, so like and so like this whole
thing about, Okay, we're going to do glossiala on the floor of the
State Senate. We're going to completely ignore the establishment clause that makes no law
to establish a religion and also practice and says that people who are constituents of
the United States can be whatever religion they decide. But that and even Thomas
Jefferson saying that the establishment clause was all about erecting a wall between state and
church, that this is supposed to be a secular nation. And also how
we conduct business and government even in our states should also be secular. So
I find this whole thing, especially with State Senator Anthony Kern, very disturbing.
Especially Infidel you brought it up, and I know that, and in
actuality, hell in your nose, you brought it up too, about his
whole thing, about this whole god haters thing, you know, just because
you're calling out something that they did that was considered religious in a government institution
building where you're talking about policy, and according to the Federal Constitution, that
is wrong. It's wrong. So you know, I want, I'm curious
to know from Helen and then from you, Infidel, you know, what
are the implications of this, Senator Anthony Kern, even though I understand that
it was the State Senate that I'm not to say Senate, but the State
of Supreme Court that ruled that we're supposed to go back to an eighteen sixty
four law, which you know, I have to also mentioned. I know
that we talked about all types of other things that was legal at that time,
but I have to mention that this was also a time where it was
legal to own a person. Okay, that we need to keep that in
mind as well. And how but going back to Anthony Kern. How is
this whole implication about God haters, you know, and and basically you know,
calling out this particular behavior on the Senate floor so problematic, Helen,
you speak on that and then infidels. You know, I say this a
lot, but I'm gonna say it again. I have a problem with religious
persecution and God hating. For a reason is because if your sky Daddy that
you played to love so much is the creator of the universe. And if
someone saying, like, hey, the law that you propose that's harms half
the population of your stage and says like, hey, this is not cool
man, stop that, and you and your and your response is that you're
hating God. And God doesn't show up and defend himself. That's a you
problem. That's a you problem. He's creator of the universe. He doesn't
need you address the fucking issue that you actually cost. It is just is
a straw man, you know, moving the goal post. You know.
I'm terrible fallacy because what it's doing is instead of addressing what they're actually doing.
And they know what they're doing. They've been present, they have been
presented with the facts. They're not immune to these ideas. But what they're
doing is that I'm but since I believe in the sky Daddy and I want
political cloud and the things I want to happen that need to happen, I'm
going to align myself with terrible ideas and like Infidel said, like now they
got the car, you know, and even people within their own party are
saying, oh, you know what, maybe this isn't such a great idea,
but you know what, too bad. You passed the fucking law and
now it's like, you know, you made bed and I got a life
fucking line in a man like you don't get to play this game. And
I also want to point out I keep mentioning that again that Anthony ker is
associated with a hate group, which is the Alliance Defending Freedom. And again
this is another hate group. It was founded by etherial leaders at the Christian
right that want to restrict rites for lgbt Q people and want to criminalize them
and believe that there's a homosexual agenda and preature rhetoric that all queer people are
sexual, are child sexual abusers and there and it's just a whole lot of
that. This is who Anthony Kerr is associated with and meaning finded by good
for him. They fuck this guy. Fuck this guy, and then he
goes and cried's victim because he decides to have a prayer on the centate floor
and then cries, oh you you hate me because I love God. It's
like, no, we hate you because when you're a bigot and you're a
sexist, and you're using your religious liberty to restrict the rights of other people,
that's why we're mad. That's why you're being called out and you and
you can't hide behind persecution when that your supposed to persecution is taking away the
rights and power of people living in your state. Man, you don't get
to cry that. I am so sorry for you. And that's the thing
that makes me so angry. I'm angry because these motherfuckers again and again and
again say freedom for me, not for thee, and it causes harm,
and it causes people's lives. And I'm and I and I'm and I'm just
tired of it. I'm tired. I'm tired of people using religion as a
reason why they get to be persecuted, to be persecutory, big words,
persecuratory, and hateful to other people, just be so they make their Skydaddy
happy. I live in a democracy. I want to live there. I
don't want to live in or Jesus Land, thank you very much. Well,
we live in a representative government, but the representation should be of the
people in that exactly. Well. One thing that my concern is, and
it's definitely adjacent to this, is the reality that when you start saying God
haters and understanding what that means from a biblical sense, it makes me wonder
what do they plan to do with those people that they consider God haters?
You know, the Bible says thou should not suffer a witch to live.
So when you start taking that type of mentality and applying that to those anti
God God haters, you know what happens to the people who have abortions,
what happens to LGBTQ, what happens to people of whatever ilk. They may
not just be Christian enough. It may just be that, you know,
they're the wrong flavor of Christianity. But if you're not the right flavor,
if you're not the flavor I am, then you could very easily be a
God hater too. So if you don't have the magic decoder ring that I
have, then you're not Christian enough, And so that is really what concerns
me because this type of rhetoric along with groups that really are hate groups,
groups that want to what is their end goal for people that they think shouldn't
exist, And with this type of mentality, I do think that we should
be fearful of this type of rhetoric because while yes it's a straw man,
it's effective with their base, and if they get the right people in power,
then we don't get to make that decision. That decision is taken away
from everyone except a small group of people. And that's what I think we're
seeing attempted here now. As someone may have mentioned earlier about Republicans trying to
flop flip flop on the issue Lake, she's bounced all over it. She
was all farthest bill last year or two years ago, and now she's going,
ah, let know we that's not in line with what people in Arizona
think. Yeah, and it wasn't in outligned with what people in Arizona thought
two years ago, and it wasn't aligned with what the people of this country
thought when the United States Supreme Court decided to overturn Row. But yes,
it's sitting in your lap. Eat it, and I hope they keep eating
it, because if anything good can come out of this, it's people being
reminded that you have a very vivid choice in life. Do you want to
continue the way things were in they in pre Civil War United States? Are
we hoping for something better? Personally? I'm really hoping for something better?
Indeed I am as well. And Jason, I'm going to give the final
world word to you. I want you to expand what would your mess be
to this generation that is pushing back on laws that take us back to a
time period where slavery was the law of the land and girls could marry at
ten. I've probably got some opinions that I can't share on this channel,
but what I can share, you have to look at it for what it
is. These people are abusers, and this is a typical rhetoric of an
abuser, and abuser tends to pose themselves as the victim. They tend to
as act persecuted over emotional. They do everything they can to make you feel
like you're doing something to them. These people are abusers. These are people
in positions of power with privilege, economic privilege, privilege they have access to
resources that we don't have. People, connections, jobs, the ears of
people who are important can make decisions because ultimately all this shit is just run
by people. I guess the message I would give would be the same thing
I'm giving to my kid. Don't fucking believe them, be skeptical. Employe
skepticism. Employee reason Sadly, in my kids public school and middle school.
In her science class, out of twenty five students last week, twenty two
of them said they didn't believe in evolution. She was later told that she
worships the devil because she's an atheist, among other things that people will tell
her. These kids at this age are just now starting to differentiate, meaning
the prefrontal cortex is going through a thing called synaptic pruning blah blah blah neuroscience.
So what I'm saying is they're still modeling the shit that they're hearing at
home. They're still modeling their primary socialization agents. They're mimicking what they've been
hearing for the past twelve years, through the developmental years, and now testing
it out in the public sphere. Sadly, we're seeing ninety two percent rejection
of evolution in the middle school in twenty twenty four. As a person who's
developed vaccines and performed neurosurgery on primates, I can say with some degree of
confidence that all the knowledge we have now is based on understanding of evolution.
All of our advances are based on our understanding of evolution and the mechanisms and
pressures and blah blah blah. So I don't know. I guess the message
I could say is, you know, don't fucking trust anybody and figure it
out for yourself. You know, the resources are there. Google scholar is
a real thing, right. You know, you can even go to chat
GBT and ask for information on a thing in fifteen sources in APA style.
You know, it's really not difficult to find information. It's just that people
make you terrified of finding information and there's punishments for it. So I don't
know. That's just don't fucking listen to anybody and find it out for yourself.
That's about all I can tell anybody in revolt. Indeed, well,
the prospect of archaic laws being resurrected, as evidenced by the Arizona Supreme Court
decision is deeply concerning. It underscores the importance of vigilance in safeguarding secular principles
and upholding law. The article serves as a call to action to resist the
encroachment of religious extreme and in government and to defend fundamental rights freedom. The
upcoming referendum on abortion rights in Arizonta presents also an opportunity for citizens to reject
the regression that these policies championed, and lawmakers to reaffirm their commitment to a
secular and inclusive science.