WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.080 --> 00:00:46.840 M. The following presentation is del Marve Studios Production. Welcome back truth seekers 2 00:00:47.880 --> 00:00:53.240 from around the world. It's time for another edition of the Flat Earth Files. 3 00:00:53.280 --> 00:00:58.200 I hope this podcast finds everyone well. We've got a great guest standing 4 00:00:58.280 --> 00:01:00.640 by. J l host of the web site under the Iceberg dot net, 5 00:01:00.719 --> 00:01:03.719 is standing by and he'll be joining us in just a moment before we kick 6 00:01:03.799 --> 00:01:07.920 things off. Just to reminder, questions, comments, concerns, or you'd 7 00:01:07.959 --> 00:01:12.319 like to join the podcast like JL is today, send us an email to 8 00:01:12.519 --> 00:01:18.159 the flat earth Files at gmail dot com. Again, it is the flat 9 00:01:18.159 --> 00:01:23.000 earth Files at gmail dot com. And if you'd like to join us on 10 00:01:23.000 --> 00:01:26.959 the website, where you can listen to our twenty four seven streaming radio, 11 00:01:26.239 --> 00:01:30.319 leave a voice message, drop in the chat room, say hello, or 12 00:01:30.400 --> 00:01:34.560 leave your thoughts in our forum. You can do so by going to the 13 00:01:34.640 --> 00:01:38.879 flat earth Files dot com. Again, that is the flat earth Files dot 14 00:01:38.920 --> 00:01:42.040 com. And don't forget if this is you're the first time, If you 15 00:01:42.159 --> 00:01:47.640 just found the podcast. After you're done listening to our conversation with Jail, 16 00:01:48.239 --> 00:01:51.840 why don't you go back to the very first podcast listen to the first ten 17 00:01:52.040 --> 00:01:56.319 kind of especially if you're new to the flat Earth concept. It'll kind of 18 00:01:56.400 --> 00:02:00.200 lay out our thoughts and some of the proofs and the historic Well, you 19 00:02:00.280 --> 00:02:02.000 hear a lot of things. Oh, flat Earth is a you know, 20 00:02:02.120 --> 00:02:06.599 the CIA sciop that kicked off five or six years ago. Nothing could be 21 00:02:06.640 --> 00:02:10.879 further from the truth. Many books were written in the nineteenth century and much 22 00:02:10.960 --> 00:02:15.319 for you to explore. So thank you for joining us on the Flat Earth 23 00:02:15.360 --> 00:02:19.039 Files. If this is your first time. We do have a great guest 24 00:02:19.080 --> 00:02:23.319 standing by. He's got quite a story and again he hosts the website underthe 25 00:02:23.360 --> 00:02:27.719 Iceberg dot net. It's got his bio there. He's got about a thirty 26 00:02:27.719 --> 00:02:30.240 eight minute audio clip the Fallacy of Atheism, and he has a blog, 27 00:02:30.639 --> 00:02:35.240 and ladies and gentlemen, please welcome to the program today. J L. 28 00:02:35.439 --> 00:02:38.599 J L. How are you, my friend, doing well? George? 29 00:02:38.639 --> 00:02:40.840 How about yourself? Doing great? Thank you so much again for joining us. 30 00:02:40.840 --> 00:02:46.840 Why don't you go ahead and introduce yourself to the crowd. Great. 31 00:02:46.919 --> 00:02:53.000 Yeah, my name is j L from Omaha, Nebraska, And like you 32 00:02:53.000 --> 00:02:58.840 said, I got the website and podcast is under the Iceberg and I do 33 00:02:58.960 --> 00:03:10.919 have about ive or six podcasts up now, um and former Marine pretty much 34 00:03:12.000 --> 00:03:15.639 yet I just kind of live and work and raise my family. I've got 35 00:03:15.639 --> 00:03:24.360 five kids and chickens and dogs and cats and garden and trying to trying to 36 00:03:24.400 --> 00:03:29.520 live as independently as I possibly can right now. And so you're you're living 37 00:03:29.560 --> 00:03:31.719 your best life right now, and your your life kind of sounds like a 38 00:03:31.840 --> 00:03:35.680 mirror's mine I had. You know, I spent a little more time in 39 00:03:35.719 --> 00:03:40.080 the military. You were smarter than me. Um, you know it's uh, 40 00:03:40.280 --> 00:03:43.439 I'd like you to share your journey to that. Well, actually, 41 00:03:43.520 --> 00:03:46.680 let me ask you this first. Where did flat Earth fall in your journey 42 00:03:46.719 --> 00:03:50.439 to the truth? Was one of the one of the first things or was 43 00:03:50.479 --> 00:03:55.039 it one of the last things? Well, I would have to say it 44 00:03:55.080 --> 00:04:00.879 was probably the last thing that I found. Uh. You you're always finding 45 00:04:00.919 --> 00:04:03.840 new stuff. But the basics I kind of got out of the way right 46 00:04:03.879 --> 00:04:11.240 away. I'll just jump right into my journey, I guess. Yeah. 47 00:04:11.240 --> 00:04:15.400 When I first became a Christian, my wife led me to Christ back in 48 00:04:15.000 --> 00:04:20.040 oh it must have been oh nine, and I first started learning. You 49 00:04:20.079 --> 00:04:24.759 know, I read the Bible, and I do remember the first time I 50 00:04:24.800 --> 00:04:29.240 read the Bible all the way through, and I was reading through Genesis and 51 00:04:29.279 --> 00:04:33.279 I had a little bit of background and you know, just the university's version 52 00:04:33.360 --> 00:04:39.519 of cosmology and astronomy. And I remember reading when when he placed the sun, 53 00:04:39.519 --> 00:04:43.439 moon, and stars in the sky, and I was thinking, then, 54 00:04:43.560 --> 00:04:46.959 well, you know, the science is telling me that these things are 55 00:04:46.560 --> 00:04:50.399 trillions of miles away and it takes millions of years for the light to get 56 00:04:50.439 --> 00:04:55.519 here. How does this work? And I remember I was just praying, 57 00:04:55.879 --> 00:04:58.319 and I, you know, I asked God to kind of show me what 58 00:04:58.439 --> 00:05:00.480 that meant because I didn't under stand it, and I just took it on 59 00:05:00.560 --> 00:05:04.240 faith, and I, you know, I told the Lord like, hey, 60 00:05:04.279 --> 00:05:08.519 you know, I don't get this, but I trust you, Please 61 00:05:08.519 --> 00:05:11.920 show me what this means. And then it was years later before I came 62 00:05:11.959 --> 00:05:18.160 across the flat Earth, and I was reminded about these prayers. But I 63 00:05:18.160 --> 00:05:21.639 I started reading the Bible and almost at the same time. And I've never 64 00:05:21.720 --> 00:05:26.879 been a political person. I never really cared about politics or what was going 65 00:05:26.920 --> 00:05:30.519 on in the world. I just sort of, you know, just had 66 00:05:30.560 --> 00:05:32.000 a lot of apathy towards it. Like I figured, well, you know, 67 00:05:32.040 --> 00:05:36.000 America is great, everything else is horrible, and they need to become 68 00:05:36.040 --> 00:05:41.120 like us because we're the best, right and yeah, you know, and 69 00:05:41.160 --> 00:05:47.519 I fell into the whole propaganda of, you know, just patriotism, and 70 00:05:48.560 --> 00:05:53.720 which there's nothing wrong with pat I'm a patriot, you know, But yeah, 71 00:05:53.800 --> 00:05:56.959 I just fell into the propaganda of everybody else is horrible. And we 72 00:05:57.079 --> 00:06:01.360 got our things together and and so I never questioned anything, and I figured, 73 00:06:01.360 --> 00:06:03.800 well, you know, things have been working for a couple hundred years 74 00:06:03.879 --> 00:06:08.319 here, and politicians, you know, they're smart, they know more than 75 00:06:08.360 --> 00:06:11.680 I do, and I'm just going to stay out of it. But this 76 00:06:11.839 --> 00:06:15.319 was, you know, back when Obama was the president, things were starting 77 00:06:15.360 --> 00:06:19.000 to get a little weird. My brother in law, he'd always been into 78 00:06:19.040 --> 00:06:24.000 politics, and so he was talking to my wife and she started telling me 79 00:06:24.079 --> 00:06:28.040 things that she was seeing and they kind of got me interested in politics. 80 00:06:28.040 --> 00:06:30.920 So while I'm learning how to become a Christian and that's new to me and 81 00:06:30.959 --> 00:06:35.560 I'm learning about that, then I'm starting to now learn about politics and get 82 00:06:35.600 --> 00:06:41.279 involved in what's going on in the world. And almost simultaneously with this, 83 00:06:41.519 --> 00:06:46.639 now, my wife had been working at a place that really you could say 84 00:06:46.800 --> 00:06:54.920 was like basically a front for the Freemason's kind of a charity front, you 85 00:06:54.959 --> 00:06:58.439 know, something like the shrine or something like that. Would you say, 86 00:06:59.680 --> 00:07:02.439 yeah, it's a it's a like a boy's home. Okay, gotcha, 87 00:07:02.480 --> 00:07:09.959 gotcha? Yeah. And so she was working up there doing office work and 88 00:07:11.079 --> 00:07:15.040 it was actually pretty nice. They would invite family over for They provided meals 89 00:07:15.120 --> 00:07:19.319 during the day for the workers, and family was invited over. So I 90 00:07:19.639 --> 00:07:24.279 came over when I had time off from work and would come, you know, 91 00:07:24.399 --> 00:07:27.439 eat dinner with everybody. And I got to know everybody over there, 92 00:07:27.480 --> 00:07:34.560 and her boss he was he was a high level freemason, and just talking 93 00:07:34.639 --> 00:07:40.079 with him, uh, you know, he kind of started telling me about 94 00:07:40.160 --> 00:07:43.680 freemasons and like what he did, and you know, he liked it. 95 00:07:43.759 --> 00:07:46.040 And and one day he said, well, you know, next week they're 96 00:07:46.040 --> 00:07:50.000 having like an orientation meeting if he wanted to show up or whatever. So 97 00:07:50.040 --> 00:07:54.720 we went up there, went through the you know, they had like a 98 00:07:54.800 --> 00:08:01.000 presentation and stuff like that, had a meal, and and you know, 99 00:08:01.079 --> 00:08:03.040 I just had this idea that this is just a great group of guys, 100 00:08:03.079 --> 00:08:09.720 you know, and and so I thought, hey, man, I'm going 101 00:08:09.759 --> 00:08:13.639 to join this, you know. And later on that week I started thinking, 102 00:08:13.639 --> 00:08:16.439 well, you know, I better check into like what I'm getting into. 103 00:08:16.959 --> 00:08:22.879 And this was my first time ever really using the Internet to research anything. 104 00:08:22.759 --> 00:08:26.279 Before that, it was always just you know, buying car parts online 105 00:08:26.360 --> 00:08:31.879 or something as all ever easy Internet for and so I just, you know, 106 00:08:31.959 --> 00:08:35.759 I went into a search engine and just typed in something like the Christian 107 00:08:35.799 --> 00:08:39.279 perspective on Freemasonry, just to see where all of this lined up. You 108 00:08:39.320 --> 00:08:45.399 know, had no idea what I was getting into, but I started reading 109 00:08:45.440 --> 00:08:50.080 some articles and basically just dived head first right down a rabbit hole and got 110 00:08:50.120 --> 00:08:58.200 lost in there and started, you know, I started learning about secret societies 111 00:08:58.279 --> 00:09:03.840 and Ross Child and how the banking industry works and how politics actually works, 112 00:09:03.919 --> 00:09:07.320 and of course this is all fitting in with everything else I'm learning at the 113 00:09:07.360 --> 00:09:15.360 time about you know, truth and Christianity and politics and now secret societies and 114 00:09:15.399 --> 00:09:18.759 now all that stuff. And then I started getting into, oh, you 115 00:09:18.799 --> 00:09:24.279 know, the Alex Jones and learned about you know, nine to eleven and 116 00:09:24.759 --> 00:09:31.440 Waco at Ruby Ridge and all of this other stuff. And you know, 117 00:09:31.519 --> 00:09:33.320 my head's just spent and I'm like where, you know, where was all 118 00:09:33.320 --> 00:09:37.679 this information my whole life? And this is stuff that people should know. 119 00:09:39.480 --> 00:09:46.480 And I really had this sort of naive idea, George that that people didn't 120 00:09:46.480 --> 00:09:50.320 know about this stuff, and that if I went and shared what I'm learning 121 00:09:50.320 --> 00:09:52.399 with people, that they'd be excited and happy to know it, and that 122 00:09:52.559 --> 00:09:58.759 you know, I'd be like getting thanked for exposing these things to people, 123 00:10:00.279 --> 00:10:03.559 because I really assumed that people would want to know truth, that truth was 124 00:10:03.600 --> 00:10:09.279 available, and I was blown away to find out that nobody wants to hear 125 00:10:09.320 --> 00:10:13.320 about this stuff. And uh, you know it's funny. I was listening 126 00:10:13.360 --> 00:10:18.159 to one of your other podcasts. I can't remember the gentleman's name, but 127 00:10:18.320 --> 00:10:24.039 he also was a marine, and he talked about when he first learned about 128 00:10:24.080 --> 00:10:28.080 flat Earth and he went and talked to this old friend of his and asked 129 00:10:28.159 --> 00:10:30.639 him, you know, what's going on in your life and who you hanging 130 00:10:30.679 --> 00:10:31.639 out with? And he's like, oh, I don't have any friends. 131 00:10:33.120 --> 00:10:33.559 And he said, we mean, you know I have any friends? And 132 00:10:33.559 --> 00:10:35.840 he says, yeah, I know the Earth is flat and I got PROOFD 133 00:10:35.879 --> 00:10:41.279 So I lost all my friends and I can relate to that. Uh, 134 00:10:43.000 --> 00:10:46.480 that's kind of how it went down for me too. I people stopped wanting 135 00:10:46.519 --> 00:10:48.159 to hang out with me, you know, on this crazy conspiracy theorist. 136 00:10:48.240 --> 00:10:54.120 Now that's out of touch with reality, right, Yeah, that's that's a 137 00:10:54.200 --> 00:10:58.320 familiar story that many of our guests and that I've endured it. Then part 138 00:10:58.320 --> 00:11:01.879 of it is we just grow to have different passions. We want to continue 139 00:11:01.879 --> 00:11:05.440 to hunt for the truth, and things that may have been important in our 140 00:11:05.440 --> 00:11:11.559 lives at one point, whether it be sports or politics or entertainment, take 141 00:11:11.600 --> 00:11:15.240 a back seat to our constant search for the truth. You know, once 142 00:11:15.679 --> 00:11:18.159 you take that red pill, you know, the matrix is just a movie. 143 00:11:18.200 --> 00:11:22.440 But at the same time, there's a little bit of truth to the 144 00:11:22.480 --> 00:11:24.159 fact that when you take that red pill, you never see things the same 145 00:11:24.240 --> 00:11:30.759 again, and there is no going back. No, there, You're right 146 00:11:30.799 --> 00:11:33.720 about that, there really is no no going back. I've thought a couple 147 00:11:33.759 --> 00:11:39.399 of times that it would be nice to to be able to take a reprieve 148 00:11:39.399 --> 00:11:43.039 and just remember what the state tasted like for a little while. But yeah, 149 00:11:43.279 --> 00:11:48.159 but but no, I wouldn't, you know, I wouldn't trade knowing 150 00:11:48.480 --> 00:11:52.840 the truth for anything. It's life changing, And yeah, like you said, 151 00:11:52.879 --> 00:11:56.480 everything else takes a back seat. And for me, not only have 152 00:11:56.639 --> 00:12:05.080 these things taken a back seat, but they'd be really not something I even 153 00:12:05.120 --> 00:12:09.879 want to deal with anymore. Because most of the stuff that I've done in 154 00:12:09.919 --> 00:12:15.039 my life has all just been distraction. And you know, I, just 155 00:12:15.120 --> 00:12:18.679 like everybody else, I was sort of led into doing these things in propagandis, 156 00:12:18.720 --> 00:12:24.080 into thinking that this is what life's about when it's really not. Yeah, 157 00:12:24.279 --> 00:12:28.200 one hundred percent. And another thing that frustrated me is when I started 158 00:12:28.240 --> 00:12:31.159 to go down these rabbit holes. You know, I thought to myself, 159 00:12:31.200 --> 00:12:35.919 wait a second, why you know, when I first ran into the US 160 00:12:35.320 --> 00:12:39.279 the USS Liberty story, and you know, I talked to the survivors and 161 00:12:39.320 --> 00:12:43.159 the I'm like, why aren't these things in the history books. I spent 162 00:12:43.600 --> 00:12:46.279 twelve years in school. Why didn't one time did this never come up? 163 00:12:46.360 --> 00:12:50.519 Why doesn't the Helotimore ever come up? Why doesn't the Cayton massacre ever come 164 00:12:50.600 --> 00:12:54.679 up? And you know that the joke I forget who said it. Maybe 165 00:12:54.679 --> 00:12:56.960 it was the guy who used to do Saturday Night Live the News and the 166 00:12:58.080 --> 00:13:01.679 nineties who just recently passed, or McDonald. He says it at a coincidence 167 00:13:01.679 --> 00:13:07.440 that the good guys win every war, right, right, and that's why 168 00:13:07.480 --> 00:13:11.240 they call it his story, his story exactly. And then you find the 169 00:13:11.240 --> 00:13:16.399 truth about Lincoln and everything in our history books is just a little bit of 170 00:13:16.399 --> 00:13:20.519 truth with a lot of lives, and you know that to me, and 171 00:13:20.519 --> 00:13:24.759 that's why it's kind of become a passion to me. I try to and 172 00:13:24.799 --> 00:13:26.960 I know in my other podcast it becomes kind of a focal point. And 173 00:13:28.039 --> 00:13:30.799 I'm sure sometimes people kind of roll their eyes when I bring it up. 174 00:13:31.279 --> 00:13:35.879 But the Department of Education is unconstitutional. The federal government has no business being 175 00:13:35.879 --> 00:13:39.759 involved with our children's education, and like so many other things in our life, 176 00:13:39.799 --> 00:13:43.320 it frustrates me. And I'm guilty as charged too that we just roll 177 00:13:43.440 --> 00:13:48.799 over and allow this tyranny to happen. Right, Yeah, I totally agree. 178 00:13:48.879 --> 00:13:54.639 I'm completely convinced when I look at what we're taught in the public school 179 00:13:54.759 --> 00:13:58.080 and then I think about what truth actually is, it's literally one hundred and 180 00:13:58.159 --> 00:14:05.039 eighty degrees the opposite of truth, uh, almost point for point. Uh. 181 00:14:05.080 --> 00:14:09.759 Astronomy is completely backwards. History is complete, almost the opposite of what. 182 00:14:09.919 --> 00:14:16.519 You know that when we look at the heroes and I almost look at 183 00:14:18.320 --> 00:14:22.000 I almost look at what is taught in school as an indoctrination into a cult, 184 00:14:22.759 --> 00:14:28.039 and I'm convinced it's a Luciferian cult that you know, the society that 185 00:14:28.080 --> 00:14:33.200 we live in, uh, everything in culture, in entertainment, and it's 186 00:14:33.360 --> 00:14:39.679 it's just really satanic. I mean truly, the music, the movies, 187 00:14:39.799 --> 00:14:45.440 the television shows, the message that they're trying to send, it's just really 188 00:14:45.480 --> 00:14:48.480 satanic. And I and I'm convinced that it's a cult. And I'm convinced 189 00:14:48.480 --> 00:14:56.600 that the education system is an indoctrination into that cult. And and when you 190 00:14:56.759 --> 00:15:00.879 when you look at what they what they want us to lead, and if 191 00:15:00.919 --> 00:15:03.639 you look at it like that, like it's almost a religion, you know, 192 00:15:03.919 --> 00:15:05.960 I think you've talked about this, how they present like these saints of 193 00:15:07.000 --> 00:15:11.480 their religions. So you've got Saint Martin Luther King Junior, in Saint Abraham 194 00:15:11.600 --> 00:15:16.679 Lincoln. And when you look into these these people that they that they reverence, 195 00:15:18.000 --> 00:15:24.879 they're not good people and they're not for us. Um, they're they're 196 00:15:24.919 --> 00:15:28.080 against us, you know, there our enemy. And these are the people 197 00:15:28.120 --> 00:15:33.440 that are being promoted to us to uplift when really we should be just kind 198 00:15:33.440 --> 00:15:37.039 of digging in and finding out, hey, is this really is what this 199 00:15:37.080 --> 00:15:41.279 person was promoting really a good thing for us, for society, for for 200 00:15:41.440 --> 00:15:48.559 Christendom, for truth, for you know, any sort of good life for 201 00:15:48.720 --> 00:15:54.559 the people in the world and the answers know. In my opinion, yeah, 202 00:15:54.879 --> 00:15:58.600 I agree some people might may find this weird, but I've never been 203 00:15:58.639 --> 00:16:04.240 a fan of like these monuments, And I don't care how good that you 204 00:16:04.320 --> 00:16:07.639 may think somebody is. At the end of the day, we're all human 205 00:16:07.720 --> 00:16:11.759 and we're all flawed. You know. The only other person in our world's 206 00:16:11.799 --> 00:16:14.960 history that we should you know, honor like that is Jesus, right, 207 00:16:15.519 --> 00:16:19.360 and absolutely not necessarily a monument about what I'm saying is to revere another man 208 00:16:21.279 --> 00:16:23.320 like that. It always was weird to me, even as a child, 209 00:16:26.039 --> 00:16:29.840 right because at the end of the day, they're all flawed, they have, 210 00:16:30.039 --> 00:16:32.720 you know, their flaws, just like everyone else. And there are 211 00:16:32.759 --> 00:16:36.720 some people in the world stage through history who I'm sure have done great deeds 212 00:16:36.720 --> 00:16:38.759 and have contributed to society. But at the end of the day, those 213 00:16:38.799 --> 00:16:41.559 are the type of people they don't want a statue of themselves anywhere, you 214 00:16:41.600 --> 00:16:45.720 know, if they're really that great, that humble. That's always just been 215 00:16:45.759 --> 00:16:49.200 odd to me me too, you know. We went on vacation up to 216 00:16:49.240 --> 00:16:53.559 Mount Rushmore a couple of years ago, and I remember driving around and they're 217 00:16:55.000 --> 00:17:00.519 monuments everywhere in this place. I mean, and I look at them as 218 00:17:00.559 --> 00:17:06.640 idols. And I remember, I remember as we're driving up there, and 219 00:17:06.680 --> 00:17:08.599 you know, we went up the Iron Mountain Road, which is a beautiful 220 00:17:08.680 --> 00:17:12.000 drive. I would recommend it to anybody if you want to go somewhere. 221 00:17:12.039 --> 00:17:17.000 It's it's absolutely gorgeous country. But as you're driving up this road, you 222 00:17:17.000 --> 00:17:19.599 know, every so often you can stop and they'll have like a whole cut 223 00:17:19.640 --> 00:17:22.920 out, like a tunnel in the mountain. You can like look and and 224 00:17:23.119 --> 00:17:29.079 they position that monument directly in your view, and it's it's it's pretty neat 225 00:17:29.119 --> 00:17:32.359 to look at. But at the same time, we're going up this thing, 226 00:17:32.400 --> 00:17:33.799 and I you know, I looked at my wife at my wife and 227 00:17:33.839 --> 00:17:36.759 I said, you know, honey, it's kind of weird. And she's 228 00:17:36.799 --> 00:17:40.079 like, yeah, says like it's like an idol. I'm like yeah, 229 00:17:40.119 --> 00:17:44.240 I'm like I think that's what this whole place is, is like just dedication 230 00:17:44.279 --> 00:17:47.359 to idols. And I don't think that's good. You know, like, 231 00:17:47.480 --> 00:17:51.720 here's here's these here's these guys up on the mountain and and you know they 232 00:17:51.720 --> 00:17:56.960 are they did amazing things, and um, but you look into the history, 233 00:17:57.000 --> 00:18:03.039 like George Washington was a Freemason. Yeah, you know, you look 234 00:18:03.079 --> 00:18:07.640 into the history of all these people that have been have been pushed and promoted 235 00:18:07.720 --> 00:18:11.000 to us to revere, and it is like they want us to worship these 236 00:18:11.039 --> 00:18:15.160 people. And you know, I kind of touched on patriotism a little bit. 237 00:18:15.160 --> 00:18:18.720 I've always been a patriot. I think I think back when I was, 238 00:18:19.000 --> 00:18:22.359 you know, ignorant to the world, I think that really kind of 239 00:18:22.519 --> 00:18:27.480 was my religion in a way. You know, America could do no wrong 240 00:18:27.559 --> 00:18:33.279 and kind of anything that anything that you needed to do, as long as 241 00:18:33.319 --> 00:18:36.200 it was good for America. It didn't matter the morality of it, you 242 00:18:36.240 --> 00:18:41.039 know, and that's not a good way to think or live. Couldn't agree 243 00:18:41.079 --> 00:18:45.359 more. And you had touched on freemasonry. Did he really lead on did 244 00:18:45.400 --> 00:18:51.640 he talk much about the different levels or because I had heard like you know, 245 00:18:51.640 --> 00:18:56.119 when you're first coming in there, didn't even acknowledge the deep secrets or 246 00:18:56.160 --> 00:19:00.440 anything like that. Was it just a very casual type of conversation or did 247 00:19:00.440 --> 00:19:03.519 he try to lead on to like, hey, you can really be successful 248 00:19:03.559 --> 00:19:07.799 and get to places in life by being a Freemason. No, in fact, 249 00:19:07.880 --> 00:19:11.160 the opposite. They said that, um, they don't want people coming 250 00:19:11.279 --> 00:19:17.240 in that want to use it for like material, for like gain or promotion. 251 00:19:18.599 --> 00:19:23.640 But it was just kind of understood that that you'll be helped out, 252 00:19:23.720 --> 00:19:27.519 if that makes sense. Sure, like it's like it's a group of men 253 00:19:27.759 --> 00:19:33.400 that helped one another out. That that was kind of like an unsaid sort 254 00:19:33.440 --> 00:19:37.960 of obvious thing. But no, they actually went out of their way to 255 00:19:37.599 --> 00:19:41.920 say that that they didn't want people to come in and think that they could, 256 00:19:41.680 --> 00:19:45.960 you know, get ahead and be successful by using their organization. Although 257 00:19:47.000 --> 00:19:51.720 that obviously is part of what it is. Certainly, certainly, yeah, 258 00:19:51.759 --> 00:19:55.640 we had that. I don't know if you remember, but you know, 259 00:19:55.680 --> 00:20:00.839 when you're E one through six in the military, you're selected through promotion points 260 00:20:00.880 --> 00:20:03.839 at how it was in the army, but when you get to D seventy 261 00:20:03.880 --> 00:20:07.359 eighty nine, it was it was DA selection and you would have to get 262 00:20:07.400 --> 00:20:14.680 your DA photo. And it used to be that the pictures were taken I 263 00:20:14.720 --> 00:20:18.240 think below the hands, like from the knees and up, and folks would 264 00:20:18.240 --> 00:20:22.960 have on their Freemason rings. And it became a big deal. And finally, 265 00:20:23.000 --> 00:20:26.559 I want to say it was twenty ten or twenty eleven, they finally 266 00:20:26.680 --> 00:20:32.160 changed the picture format because it became obvious and a big deal. Not that 267 00:20:32.160 --> 00:20:36.359 they changed and everything, because I'm sure people who knew knew that had their 268 00:20:36.359 --> 00:20:41.440 connections, but they did change the way they did DA photos. I think 269 00:20:41.480 --> 00:20:45.039 about thirteen years ago is when they made that change. That's really interesting. 270 00:20:47.559 --> 00:20:52.359 Yeah, some things they want to make obvious and some things they just want 271 00:20:52.400 --> 00:20:56.480 to kind of keep under the wraps. Especially now that people are starting to 272 00:20:56.480 --> 00:21:02.240 wake up, I would imagine they still probably want to keep some things a 273 00:21:02.279 --> 00:21:07.039 little bit hidden. I think we're in a time of revealing though things. 274 00:21:07.160 --> 00:21:14.200 Things that used to be what was considered occult are are being openly talked about 275 00:21:14.200 --> 00:21:18.319 as though that's just normal. But I think you're I think you're onto something 276 00:21:18.359 --> 00:21:22.240 there that. Yeah, they probably don't want things to be extremely obvious. 277 00:21:23.440 --> 00:21:27.880 Yeah, I think you're exactly right. Things that used to be kind of 278 00:21:30.200 --> 00:21:33.039 you'd really have to go out of your way to kind of dig up. 279 00:21:33.480 --> 00:21:37.000 They're not hiding anything anymore. And it really kicked off with covid Um that 280 00:21:37.000 --> 00:21:42.839 that Agenda twenty twenty. Going forward, they just um with the trans Agendia 281 00:21:44.279 --> 00:21:49.960 trans Agenda excuse me and Pride and the vaccine push and the great um deep 282 00:21:51.000 --> 00:21:57.480 platforming of YouTube and medical professionals who didn't toe the line with the jab just 283 00:21:57.720 --> 00:22:00.960 um that they let the cat out of the bag. And it's they're not 284 00:22:02.039 --> 00:22:06.279 hiding it anymore. And it's it's they're not hiding it at all. That 285 00:22:06.359 --> 00:22:11.960 this is a battle of good versus evil. Absolutely, well, yeah, 286 00:22:11.960 --> 00:22:15.839 there's a separation of the sheep and goats going on right now. And it's 287 00:22:17.400 --> 00:22:23.319 it's it's almost impossible not to see the division and the separation. Um and 288 00:22:23.319 --> 00:22:27.000 and you know, and I often I often think, uh, you know, 289 00:22:27.119 --> 00:22:30.559 the collapse of any civilization, I think probably looked just like this. 290 00:22:32.519 --> 00:22:37.759 Uh to an extent. You got you know, you had wymar Germany had 291 00:22:37.880 --> 00:22:40.640 Rome. You know, I think Rome looked like us at the end. 292 00:22:41.680 --> 00:22:48.920 Uh. But I sometimes I think, is this just the collapse of this 293 00:22:49.039 --> 00:22:53.480 era? Or I mean everything's worldwide now? When you when you had the 294 00:22:53.519 --> 00:23:03.400 COVID, uh what you say, the mandates that they were all over the 295 00:23:03.400 --> 00:23:07.359 world. I mean, it wasn't just it wasn't just Nebraska and Florida. 296 00:23:07.400 --> 00:23:12.119 It was every city and county and state across the entire world did the exact 297 00:23:12.200 --> 00:23:18.519 same thing, almost And It makes me wonder if if this is, you 298 00:23:18.559 --> 00:23:22.200 know, if the collapse of other civilizations of me have maybe just been the 299 00:23:22.240 --> 00:23:26.200 microcosm of what we're looking at now, is the macrocosm. I don't want 300 00:23:26.200 --> 00:23:30.079 to be one of these people that says, you know, all the end 301 00:23:30.200 --> 00:23:34.680 is right now. And this is because every generation has said that, has 302 00:23:34.720 --> 00:23:37.000 pointed to, hey, you know, everything that's going on, this could 303 00:23:37.000 --> 00:23:41.720 be the end of the world. But I really truly think that, and 304 00:23:41.759 --> 00:23:45.839 I don't think I'm alone with this. I've heard other people kind of mentioned 305 00:23:45.839 --> 00:23:52.039 this too, that the the worldwide nature of everything that's going on, and 306 00:23:52.079 --> 00:23:59.079 the technology that we have now, and the genetic manipulation, and there's so 307 00:23:59.079 --> 00:24:02.119 many things you could point too that could easily be the mark of the beast. 308 00:24:02.160 --> 00:24:06.039 I think it's a genetic component involved in it. But you know, 309 00:24:06.119 --> 00:24:12.720 you've got Elon Musk with his uh brain implants and the potential for for them 310 00:24:12.720 --> 00:24:18.319 to have complete control. And that's really what the when when you read prophecies 311 00:24:18.319 --> 00:24:22.920 and like Daniel in the Book of Revelation and all over the Bible, really 312 00:24:22.960 --> 00:24:27.839 about about the you know, judgment day, really the day of the Lord 313 00:24:27.839 --> 00:24:33.279 and the end of this world. It looks like we're building up really quickly 314 00:24:33.400 --> 00:24:40.680 to uh, to the to the why what we've been calling the occult having 315 00:24:41.200 --> 00:24:48.240 domination over the world. Europe is a post Christian place now, I'd have 316 00:24:48.319 --> 00:24:53.599 to say that America is becoming post Christian and that's it can be kind of 317 00:24:53.640 --> 00:24:57.519 scary, but uh, you know, I take heart knowing that all of 318 00:24:57.559 --> 00:25:03.559 this is is pre planned and meant to be, and all all fits in 319 00:25:03.640 --> 00:25:08.559 with his plan. I don't know what you think about that. Yeah, 320 00:25:08.599 --> 00:25:12.440 you're right on the money. And I wanted to ask you kind of along 321 00:25:12.440 --> 00:25:15.720 those same lines because you mentioned it at the beginning of the podcast, and 322 00:25:17.000 --> 00:25:18.880 I'm afraid if I don't mention it now, I'm going to forget. But 323 00:25:21.880 --> 00:25:25.759 on the other podcast, I talk about patriotism a bit, and do you 324 00:25:26.400 --> 00:25:30.000 do you find yourself in a quandary? Not that again, not that you're 325 00:25:30.039 --> 00:25:33.599 not patriotic, but do you find yourself in a weird position where obviously you 326 00:25:33.640 --> 00:25:37.240 love your country, and you obviously volunteered to, you know, serve your 327 00:25:37.240 --> 00:25:42.680 country, but this country doesn't really reflect your you know, your moral compass 328 00:25:42.720 --> 00:25:49.720 and who you are. I rustle with this daily, George. I love 329 00:25:49.799 --> 00:25:53.880 my country I love the people in my country. I hate to say this, 330 00:25:53.920 --> 00:25:57.480 but less so as the days go by. One of the things that 331 00:25:57.519 --> 00:26:03.640 I see on the news, you're I can't, I can't enjoin with what's 332 00:26:03.680 --> 00:26:11.400 happening in the in the greater scheme of things and the West in general, 333 00:26:11.799 --> 00:26:18.279 uh is just going downhill. There is there is a cadre of people that 334 00:26:18.319 --> 00:26:27.319 are waking up, that are going back to tradition, to historically. But 335 00:26:30.119 --> 00:26:33.799 even that, when you go back, you know, eighteen fifty seventeen hundreds, 336 00:26:33.960 --> 00:26:37.720 obviously things were better. But it was it this country. Was that 337 00:26:37.799 --> 00:26:41.759 the government was, the constitution, was that the president's was at our founding 338 00:26:41.759 --> 00:26:47.000 fathers. No, I think it was because most of the people in this 339 00:26:47.079 --> 00:26:52.680 country were, if not Christian, at least not antagonistic towards Christianity, and 340 00:26:52.759 --> 00:26:56.640 so there was a morality. I can't remember who was talking. I think 341 00:26:56.680 --> 00:27:02.720 that like Benjamin Franklin or Thomas Jefferson was saying that that freedom is only for 342 00:27:02.920 --> 00:27:07.960 immral people, and when the people become immral, we don't deserve freedom. 343 00:27:07.079 --> 00:27:11.559 And in this country we really don't deserve freedom anymore because of where we've gone. 344 00:27:11.799 --> 00:27:19.440 We're not im moral people George, and I can't support what's happening. 345 00:27:21.799 --> 00:27:26.599 I could support resistance to a lot of the things that are happening, and 346 00:27:26.640 --> 00:27:32.079 I think there's a lot of people that are resisting and that's good, and 347 00:27:32.200 --> 00:27:34.759 I don't know what that looks like. But as far as patriotism goes, 348 00:27:36.359 --> 00:27:40.400 I really struggle with it because I've always been a patriot, and I believe 349 00:27:40.400 --> 00:27:45.480 in patriotism, and I believe in defending what you believe in defending, especially 350 00:27:45.000 --> 00:27:52.000 your family and your community. But I wonder, have we ever in this 351 00:27:52.079 --> 00:27:57.960 country, the military, the politicians, have they ever really defended this country? 352 00:27:59.240 --> 00:28:03.079 Or have we just kind of gone out and conquered, conquered and poked 353 00:28:03.119 --> 00:28:07.440 the tiger. And you know, you look at what's gone on in South 354 00:28:07.480 --> 00:28:11.119 America in the last few decades. You know, they've gone down there and 355 00:28:11.279 --> 00:28:18.079 just basically stirred up hornet's nests and built up basically armies and funded them and 356 00:28:18.200 --> 00:28:21.799 armed them and then opened the gates and let them up here. Yeah, 357 00:28:22.160 --> 00:28:26.440 it looks it looks it looks more like a military exercise. To me, 358 00:28:26.640 --> 00:28:34.200 that's against us, not for us. And so no, I can't I 359 00:28:34.599 --> 00:28:40.680 have a hard time with I mean, you know when I was a kid, 360 00:28:40.720 --> 00:28:42.839 you know, we'd stand up there and say Pledge of allegiance before class 361 00:28:44.319 --> 00:28:47.880 and you know, I you know, you go to a rodeo or a 362 00:28:47.920 --> 00:28:51.960 ball game and you know you'd be singing the play the national anthem, and 363 00:28:52.000 --> 00:28:55.640 I'd have my heart over my hand over my heart. You know, you 364 00:28:55.759 --> 00:29:00.240 get that swell of pride and uh. And like I said, said, 365 00:29:00.240 --> 00:29:03.920 it was almost to me almost like a religious experience in some way. And 366 00:29:03.039 --> 00:29:07.200 I dug it. You know, I look at the flag and it just 367 00:29:07.279 --> 00:29:11.880 made me feel good. Things I've learned lately. And I don't know, 368 00:29:11.920 --> 00:29:14.680 I don't want to say I'm like anti American. I don't want to say 369 00:29:14.680 --> 00:29:18.160 I'm you know, anything like that. But I look at the flag now 370 00:29:18.200 --> 00:29:22.160 and all I can see is this is basically the East India Trading Company. 371 00:29:22.279 --> 00:29:29.720 And look at what they've done. You know, they're basically drug dealers. 372 00:29:30.039 --> 00:29:33.960 And I can't get on board with that. They I mean, these people 373 00:29:34.039 --> 00:29:40.720 went, I mean, you talk about the slave trade, you know, 374 00:29:40.720 --> 00:29:45.400 and they want to blame it on on an ethnic group, but really it 375 00:29:45.559 --> 00:29:52.440 was just the bad guys doing this and my people had nothing to do with 376 00:29:52.480 --> 00:29:56.440 it. Yeah, And once again that's the people who control the history books 377 00:29:56.440 --> 00:30:00.039 pushing a certain narrative, and they played the law game. And we are 378 00:30:00.119 --> 00:30:04.240 seeing the results of this long game. And as we mentioned earlier, things 379 00:30:04.240 --> 00:30:07.680 have just escalated. I think I think they got to the point where they 380 00:30:07.799 --> 00:30:11.079 realized and I think they they did a lot of these tests over the last 381 00:30:11.079 --> 00:30:15.319 twenty or thirty years, just push a little more. Pardon me, push 382 00:30:15.359 --> 00:30:18.319 a little more. Wow, they're still not resisting. Push a little more, 383 00:30:18.359 --> 00:30:22.680 and they're finally like they've become I think the controllers just look at us 384 00:30:22.680 --> 00:30:29.079 said, look, they've become so docile as long as they continue with their 385 00:30:29.200 --> 00:30:33.359 their netflix and uh, you know, there are things that no matter what 386 00:30:33.400 --> 00:30:37.920 we do, as long as we don't like I almost said, infringe on 387 00:30:37.200 --> 00:30:41.279 their health and wellbeing. But what was the vaccination program all about? Still 388 00:30:41.319 --> 00:30:47.200 to this day, every day there's athletes, actors that come up in the 389 00:30:47.240 --> 00:30:52.079 news that these people are very famous English soccer or football. For you European 390 00:30:52.119 --> 00:30:56.920 friends out there, just had you know, a brain aneurism the other day 391 00:30:56.960 --> 00:31:00.359 and he was on record as you know that they posted his photo of him 392 00:31:00.359 --> 00:31:04.720 getting his jabs. I don't think they've regard for anything anymore. I think 393 00:31:06.000 --> 00:31:10.079 I don't know if they become so brazen because they know the end is coming 394 00:31:10.160 --> 00:31:17.519 soon, or they just realize they do think they're winning, And I think 395 00:31:17.559 --> 00:31:22.880 again they realize how docile we've become. And January six, that was a 396 00:31:22.920 --> 00:31:26.599 big event that led to people being afraid to ever step foot in DC again 397 00:31:26.640 --> 00:31:32.119 to protest you see these harsh prison penalties. By the way, I'll be 398 00:31:32.160 --> 00:31:34.920 interviewing Jeremy Brown, who's another January six guy, in two weeks on the 399 00:31:34.960 --> 00:31:40.240 Fact Hunter podcast. I'll be interviewing him from prison. You know, all 400 00:31:40.279 --> 00:31:42.880 these things they do are done for a certain reason, and it is to 401 00:31:44.039 --> 00:31:47.000 manipulate your mind, you know, as mad as you get. Well, 402 00:31:47.000 --> 00:31:49.440 we better not go to Washington, DC, because I don't want to spend 403 00:31:49.440 --> 00:31:52.400 the next ten years of my life in jail. Who's going to feed my 404 00:31:52.440 --> 00:31:55.680 family, who's going to do this, Who's going to do that? So 405 00:31:56.079 --> 00:32:02.400 they have created a prison for our minds, right, Well, don't stand 406 00:32:02.480 --> 00:32:06.359 up, don't do anything, don't say anything, don't rock the boat. 407 00:32:06.680 --> 00:32:10.079 And that's been the mentality that's been pushed on us since basically right after World 408 00:32:10.160 --> 00:32:15.839 War Two. You know, what's what's the whole thing that people say, 409 00:32:15.920 --> 00:32:19.359 don't ever talk about politics or religion, Well, what's the most important thing 410 00:32:19.359 --> 00:32:25.079 that we should be talking about politics and religion? They have propagandized us into, 411 00:32:27.000 --> 00:32:30.279 yeah, like you said, being docile. But I'll tell you one 412 00:32:30.319 --> 00:32:35.960 thing that I'm noticing, and that that's just through listening to podcasts mostly where 413 00:32:35.960 --> 00:32:38.400 I you know, this, this whole podcast community is amazing. It's like 414 00:32:38.440 --> 00:32:44.039 the wild West right now where you can actually have conversations and there are people, 415 00:32:44.079 --> 00:32:46.200 there's a lot of people waking up. There's a lot of people that 416 00:32:46.240 --> 00:32:55.880 are starting to understand what's going on. And you know, historically Christendom has 417 00:32:58.519 --> 00:33:05.000 We've been a people who allow things to happen until we're backed into a corner. 418 00:33:06.160 --> 00:33:09.559 And I don't know, I feel like my walls, my back's kind 419 00:33:09.559 --> 00:33:13.680 of pushed up against the corner right now. And I'm not saying that, 420 00:33:15.200 --> 00:33:19.240 you know, I'm not saying that people need to take action physically, but 421 00:33:19.640 --> 00:33:22.920 what does need to happen, and I think what is happening is that the 422 00:33:22.400 --> 00:33:28.720 word needs to be spread. If everybody, and maybe not even everybody, 423 00:33:28.759 --> 00:33:35.200 if if a big percentage of people just basically opted out because you don't have 424 00:33:35.319 --> 00:33:40.039 to do what you're told. I think that people just have this idea because 425 00:33:40.039 --> 00:33:43.920 we're shown that we're you know, when you're in school, they you know, 426 00:33:44.000 --> 00:33:46.240 here's an authority figure up in front of you, standing up, you're 427 00:33:46.279 --> 00:33:50.680 sitting down, your inferior to them. They tell you what to do, 428 00:33:50.759 --> 00:33:52.400 they tell you what to think, and you just say, okay, okay, 429 00:33:52.759 --> 00:33:58.359 you don't have to do that. You know they want to take our 430 00:33:58.440 --> 00:34:00.559 food away. Well, you can raise chickens, you can grow a garden. 431 00:34:00.680 --> 00:34:07.559 People have been living on the land for thousands of years. Uh, 432 00:34:07.720 --> 00:34:12.519 you know, you don't have to you don't have to use their utilities. 433 00:34:12.599 --> 00:34:15.400 You can get your own utilities. I mean, there's ways to do these 434 00:34:15.440 --> 00:34:21.679 things. We can be independent and free from all of this. And if 435 00:34:22.000 --> 00:34:25.199 most people just opted out of the system and just said I'm I'm I'm done. 436 00:34:25.639 --> 00:34:29.800 I'm not going to watch their television they're they're programming, you know, 437 00:34:29.840 --> 00:34:32.760 their propaganda. I'm not going to accept it. Uh you know, I'm 438 00:34:32.760 --> 00:34:37.360 not gonna I'm not going to feed into this this sort of anti Christian narrative 439 00:34:37.360 --> 00:34:43.639 that's being pushed. Uh, you know, I'm going to just serve God, 440 00:34:44.079 --> 00:34:49.760 serve my family and live my life. And you know, whatever the 441 00:34:49.760 --> 00:34:52.320 world is doing out there, the world can continue to do it. I 442 00:34:52.360 --> 00:34:57.239 think if enough people actually did that. Look at what happened in the in 443 00:34:57.280 --> 00:35:01.280 the COVID thing, the whole trucker response up in Canada. People just said 444 00:35:01.320 --> 00:35:07.840 no. And I think if enough people just started to say no, no, 445 00:35:07.960 --> 00:35:12.159 thank you and just opted out, well, they would have no control. 446 00:35:13.039 --> 00:35:15.480 They The only control they have is the control that we give them. 447 00:35:17.320 --> 00:35:22.280 And you know, it's well, and it's just like this, uh, 448 00:35:22.360 --> 00:35:24.760 it's just like this whole flat earth thing. They've been propagandizing us with this 449 00:35:24.880 --> 00:35:30.880 globe for you know centuries. Really, I mean they've been pushing it for 450 00:35:30.920 --> 00:35:37.519 centuries. It's you know, it's really been pushing what since the what mid 451 00:35:37.559 --> 00:35:40.480 eighteen hundreds, I guess, well, you know, they really tried to 452 00:35:40.519 --> 00:35:44.559 start the ball, you know, after Reformation. That really goes to show 453 00:35:44.599 --> 00:35:47.639 me how it is a religious thing. It is is a battle for the 454 00:35:47.679 --> 00:35:52.280 souls. And you know, the Jesuit's kind of you know, hijacked and 455 00:35:52.360 --> 00:35:54.199 started to run, you know, Pythagoras, It's been around for a long 456 00:35:54.239 --> 00:35:58.239 time. But I think you're right, it kind of they got the ball 457 00:35:58.360 --> 00:36:02.119 rolling in the sixteenth century. But it really seems like at some point during 458 00:36:02.159 --> 00:36:08.119 the eighteen hundreds where they started instituting it into the education system, right, 459 00:36:08.159 --> 00:36:13.400 that actually formally started pushing it in the education system. And now, like 460 00:36:13.480 --> 00:36:15.559 I said, you can't watch a movie, TV show, walk through a 461 00:36:15.599 --> 00:36:21.360 school a library without seeing a globe. That's interesting. I've been paying attention 462 00:36:21.360 --> 00:36:23.000 to that. You're absolutely right, it is pushed it. When you look 463 00:36:23.039 --> 00:36:30.000 at PBS, the Public broadcast, the kids shows on PBS, every single 464 00:36:30.119 --> 00:36:34.239 kids show has something to do with oh, here's the planets and look at 465 00:36:34.280 --> 00:36:42.480 them their spears and even like watching these cartoons and like these cartoon characters will 466 00:36:42.519 --> 00:36:45.000 be walking and if they're they pan out from them and it looks like they're 467 00:36:45.039 --> 00:36:49.159 walking on this giant curve. I mean, they just really throw it in 468 00:36:49.159 --> 00:36:54.800 your face and they get the kids early. But you know, you're talking 469 00:36:55.320 --> 00:37:00.159 talking about how they started instituting it and the education Asian system and pushing it 470 00:37:00.159 --> 00:37:08.199 into propaganda, and noticed that it was simultaneous with the theory of macro biological 471 00:37:08.199 --> 00:37:15.239 evolution, all of this anti god stuff, and it really got big in 472 00:37:15.239 --> 00:37:20.760 the late eighteen hundreds. There was you know, you had Blovotsky, and 473 00:37:20.880 --> 00:37:23.079 you had, you know, with her theosophy, and then that became the 474 00:37:24.159 --> 00:37:30.360 thing in the un and you had all these elites started feeding into this anti 475 00:37:30.440 --> 00:37:37.840 Christian spirituality, whether it was paganism or Satanism or Luciferian philosophy or any of 476 00:37:37.840 --> 00:37:42.239 this stuff. Get I get big into study in the occult. I like 477 00:37:42.360 --> 00:37:46.320 to I like to understand if somebody's standing in my way, you know, 478 00:37:46.400 --> 00:37:51.719 my ideas. I'm going to plow through these people at any cost, and 479 00:37:51.920 --> 00:37:54.000 the way for me to do that is to study them and understand them. 480 00:37:54.000 --> 00:37:59.079 I need to understand my enemy. And so I've been studying the occult and 481 00:37:59.239 --> 00:38:04.159 I noticed that you're right. It is a religious thing, and everything is 482 00:38:04.280 --> 00:38:07.400 a spiritual battle. I mean, the Bible tells us this, and all 483 00:38:07.440 --> 00:38:14.239 of these attacks have been an attack against God and against his word. And 484 00:38:14.800 --> 00:38:19.639 you know, I alluded to this in the beginning that when you look at 485 00:38:19.679 --> 00:38:24.559 everything that they push at is it's really easy to um figure out what they're 486 00:38:24.559 --> 00:38:29.400 doing because all they do is they read the Bible and they turn it completely 487 00:38:29.440 --> 00:38:31.960 on its head one hundred and eighty degrees. And that's why it's so easy 488 00:38:32.000 --> 00:38:38.000 to accept. For people because it's it's the it's the flip side of the 489 00:38:38.000 --> 00:38:43.320 coin, but it's still the same coin, if that makes sense. So 490 00:38:43.360 --> 00:38:47.679 it's so if you know, if if God says the uh, you know, 491 00:38:47.760 --> 00:38:52.599 creation is young, only six thousand years, well okay, well let's 492 00:38:52.599 --> 00:38:55.119 just say that it's really old. So let's say, you know, billions 493 00:38:55.119 --> 00:39:00.599 of years. If if if God said that, uh, you know, 494 00:39:00.679 --> 00:39:07.920 the earth is a horizontal plane, and then let's say it's a ball, 495 00:39:08.320 --> 00:39:14.599 if you know, I mean, and it it just goes on the whole 496 00:39:14.599 --> 00:39:21.360 evolution thing, and you know, I think it's I think it's interesting that 497 00:39:22.320 --> 00:39:30.280 the that Christians have been able to identify the fallacies of of things like biological 498 00:39:30.320 --> 00:39:35.920 evolution, and you have people teaching classes on it and going out of their 499 00:39:35.920 --> 00:39:37.920 way to say, hey, look, this is wrong. The Bible says 500 00:39:38.000 --> 00:39:43.719 this, but they're pushing this and that's that's a lie and that's wrong. 501 00:39:44.440 --> 00:39:47.920 How have we not done the same thing with the shape of the earth. 502 00:39:49.760 --> 00:39:55.039 I mean, to me, that's vastly more important because if you, um, 503 00:39:58.480 --> 00:40:02.000 you know, if you up that the earth is a horizontal plane with 504 00:40:02.079 --> 00:40:07.079 a dome over the top of it, there's absolutely no way that you could 505 00:40:07.559 --> 00:40:15.480 convince anybody that that happened randomly over time by accident. And I just don't 506 00:40:15.599 --> 00:40:22.519 understand how it's it's to me, it's very clear biblically the shape and nature 507 00:40:22.599 --> 00:40:30.039 of creation of the cosmos. And and when you look out, this is 508 00:40:30.079 --> 00:40:35.920 what you see. We're not moving were I look. I'm looking at clouds 509 00:40:36.000 --> 00:40:38.760 up in the sky right now above my head, and they're completely stationary, 510 00:40:38.920 --> 00:40:45.039 just these big fluffy light clouds. And if we were spinning, those things 511 00:40:45.039 --> 00:40:50.440 should be moving all the time. I know they say it's like bell crow 512 00:40:50.559 --> 00:40:54.199 to the atmosphere somehow, but that's just that just sounds ridiculous. It's nonsense. 513 00:40:55.280 --> 00:41:01.440 It's absolute nonsense. The watched this guy and he he did a video. 514 00:41:01.519 --> 00:41:07.320 He went into a university somewhere and he went to this group of people 515 00:41:07.360 --> 00:41:13.119 and they were all about space and you know, like astrophysics and stuff like 516 00:41:13.199 --> 00:41:15.679 this. And he was talking to this guy and he was he was an 517 00:41:15.679 --> 00:41:22.920 engineer, he was a you know what what where they work on spaceships or 518 00:41:22.960 --> 00:41:27.119 whatever. And uh, sorry, it's just it's just so funny to me 519 00:41:28.920 --> 00:41:31.840 because it's so ridiculous. It is. But he was talking to this guy 520 00:41:31.840 --> 00:41:38.039 and the guy was an engineer and and he and he was kind of like, 521 00:41:38.800 --> 00:41:42.000 you know, asking about what they're doing, and he was kind of 522 00:41:42.039 --> 00:41:45.920 showing him around the facility and what they were doing. And the guy asked 523 00:41:45.960 --> 00:41:47.880 him this question. He said, well, explain this to me. It 524 00:41:47.880 --> 00:41:51.320 doesn't because it doesn't make sense, you know. And he was talking about 525 00:41:51.320 --> 00:41:58.280 how the atmosphere is just this open thing with you know, a massive vacuum 526 00:41:58.360 --> 00:42:00.840 behind it, and he said, where can you show me that you can 527 00:42:00.880 --> 00:42:06.679 have gases next to a vacuum without a barrier and then not get sucked out 528 00:42:06.679 --> 00:42:09.199 into the vacuum. And it stumped the guys of God, I don't know. 529 00:42:09.280 --> 00:42:12.599 He's like, does that make sense to you? He's like, well, 530 00:42:13.280 --> 00:42:17.599 you would have to ask a physicist. And it's and it's like these 531 00:42:17.639 --> 00:42:22.000 people are so pigeonholed into their what do they call that, their comportmentalization, 532 00:42:22.559 --> 00:42:29.920 where it's ridiculous when they're when these people and we're so convinced that, oh, 533 00:42:30.000 --> 00:42:34.480 listen to the experts, Well, if you're an expert. And I 534 00:42:34.559 --> 00:42:37.079 don't mean to put anybody down, I mean I'm sure that there's a lot 535 00:42:37.119 --> 00:42:42.559 of people that have studied a lot of things and understand what they're studying really 536 00:42:42.559 --> 00:42:45.679 really well, and I can admire that. I think that's great. But 537 00:42:45.920 --> 00:42:55.000 if you allow yourself to be so thoroughly indoctrinated into one subject that may or 538 00:42:55.039 --> 00:43:00.679 may not be completely wrong, Usually they are very wrong and lot of ways, 539 00:43:00.719 --> 00:43:07.360 but you're so pigeonholed into thinking that that you don't even have any business 540 00:43:07.480 --> 00:43:13.079 questioning somebody else's field of expert I mean, we have brains, we can 541 00:43:13.159 --> 00:43:17.320 read, we can think, you can be cross disciplinary. But they these 542 00:43:17.320 --> 00:43:23.000 people don't think and win. So when they're confronted with something that is countered 543 00:43:23.159 --> 00:43:27.719 what they want to believe or what they've been told to believe, then they 544 00:43:27.800 --> 00:43:30.519 just deferred it. Well, I just don't know enough about that, so 545 00:43:30.559 --> 00:43:32.519 I can't comment on that. Even though they know in their mind that they're 546 00:43:32.519 --> 00:43:38.599 wrong, I just think it's Yeah, I think that's their way of cop 547 00:43:39.000 --> 00:43:42.880 I guess copying out is the only really phrase I can think of using. 548 00:43:43.800 --> 00:43:47.239 Yeah, not every single subject. Do you have to defer to a subject 549 00:43:47.239 --> 00:43:51.960 matter expert or somebody who's got a degree in a certain field. Common sense 550 00:43:52.000 --> 00:43:58.480 Sometimes it's okay for common sense to prevail, right, people like you and 551 00:43:58.519 --> 00:44:02.079 I would say that, but I don't I don't know that if you've gone 552 00:44:02.119 --> 00:44:07.000 through and okay, let me let me digress for a second. I've heard 553 00:44:07.039 --> 00:44:10.360 you talk about school and you were talking about twelve years of indoctrination. Right, 554 00:44:12.480 --> 00:44:15.440 it's actually thirteen because you you add kindergarten in there, right, right, 555 00:44:15.559 --> 00:44:20.280 You're you're in school for thirteen years, which is a very occult number. 556 00:44:20.639 --> 00:44:24.880 Um, it's I think important to notice how they how they put their 557 00:44:25.320 --> 00:44:30.159 their occult philosophy into everything, and they're they're one of their languages is numbers, 558 00:44:30.159 --> 00:44:34.599 and they're big on that. So it's thirteen years that you go in 559 00:44:34.719 --> 00:44:38.800 degrees, just like in any magical order, you you're elevated in degrees, 560 00:44:39.599 --> 00:44:45.800 and you know, you graduate up those degrees. But if if you've been 561 00:44:45.840 --> 00:44:50.320 indoctrinated for thirteen years and then you go to college and you're indoctrinated for another 562 00:44:50.360 --> 00:44:52.800 four, and then you go to post post post grad, and then you're 563 00:44:52.800 --> 00:44:58.920 indoctrinated for another four or six, by the time you're you're at you're just 564 00:44:59.000 --> 00:45:04.480 so fully early indoctrinated that there's no there's no way out of it. I 565 00:45:04.480 --> 00:45:07.000 mean, some people get out of it and then they're completely disillusioned, and 566 00:45:07.000 --> 00:45:15.039 it's usually after they've been fired for asking a question or ostracized from their groups 567 00:45:15.119 --> 00:45:22.039 or whatever. But once you're once you're in that position, it's it's, 568 00:45:22.159 --> 00:45:25.239 I'm imagining, very difficult to get out, and it's very difficult to question 569 00:45:25.320 --> 00:45:30.599 anything. You know, you're surrounded by by people that do nothing but reinforce 570 00:45:30.679 --> 00:45:38.559 the indoctrination. And and and it's it's customary to humiliate anybody that steps out 571 00:45:38.559 --> 00:45:43.920 of line, so to speak. Yeah, and I think we are kind 572 00:45:43.960 --> 00:45:47.519 of programmed to go along, to get along, and you know, not 573 00:45:47.639 --> 00:45:51.920 go against the grain. And when you're a young man from or a woman, 574 00:45:51.960 --> 00:45:55.280 in most cases, we're kind of embarrassed to ask questions when we're in 575 00:45:55.360 --> 00:45:59.000 school because we don't want to seem like the dumb dumb at least that's how 576 00:45:59.039 --> 00:46:01.480 I was, although I would challenge the narrative every once in a while, 577 00:46:01.480 --> 00:46:05.840 but not as much as I should, because you start going through that phase 578 00:46:05.880 --> 00:46:09.199 where you're more worried about what people think of you than your actual education. 579 00:46:09.280 --> 00:46:12.760 And you're like, well, if I ask this question while I look dumb, 580 00:46:13.199 --> 00:46:15.360 you know that that type of thing goes on and on and on. 581 00:46:15.599 --> 00:46:17.719 I do want to kind of defer back to a few things before we get 582 00:46:17.760 --> 00:46:22.119 too much further. You know, you're talking about the best way to beat 583 00:46:22.159 --> 00:46:25.519 the system is to walk away from the system, and I concur one hundred 584 00:46:25.519 --> 00:46:29.800 percent. I go back to the fact, if you're playing a game with 585 00:46:29.840 --> 00:46:32.920 someone who always cheats, do you continue playing the game or do you walk 586 00:46:32.960 --> 00:46:36.800 away? You just know I'm done with the game. Yeah, you quit. 587 00:46:36.880 --> 00:46:38.320 You're like, I'm not playing with you anymore. You cheat all the 588 00:46:38.360 --> 00:46:43.880 time. And that's exactly what goes on. And the people who still say 589 00:46:44.440 --> 00:46:49.599 constitution, this constitution that I always say, that's a contract between a government 590 00:46:49.599 --> 00:46:52.079 and the people. And if only one party it adheres to a contract, 591 00:46:52.320 --> 00:46:57.280 it's moots, it's garbage. It doesn't mean anything. So you know, 592 00:46:57.320 --> 00:47:01.159 people need to stop really calling out, Hey this now. If we get 593 00:47:01.199 --> 00:47:05.079 some kind of reset and start over, we can adhere to it. And 594 00:47:05.320 --> 00:47:08.480 it would be a great country if we actually towed the line to the constitution. 595 00:47:08.559 --> 00:47:13.840 However, the people that are in power right now don't give a darn 596 00:47:13.880 --> 00:47:19.559 about the constitution. Would you agree to that? Yeah, I do agree 597 00:47:19.559 --> 00:47:23.920 with that. It's kind of been thrown out the window. I shouldn't probably 598 00:47:23.920 --> 00:47:29.440 speak on this because I haven't done enough research to really truly understand it. 599 00:47:29.440 --> 00:47:32.239 But I heard somebody say one time, and I kind of looked into it, 600 00:47:32.239 --> 00:47:37.000 and it seems like that's right. That Ben Franklin had a big part 601 00:47:37.039 --> 00:47:40.679 in writing the Constitution, and that it is almost word for word, the 602 00:47:40.719 --> 00:47:49.440 same constitution that he wrote for the Freemasonic chapter that he was the head of. 603 00:47:50.199 --> 00:47:54.960 So he basically took the constitution that he wrote for his Freemasonic temple and 604 00:47:55.119 --> 00:48:01.960 that became our constitution. And I don't think that I like a lot of 605 00:48:01.960 --> 00:48:06.519 other things in the Constitution. I think it's there. You know, it's 606 00:48:06.519 --> 00:48:09.000 a good document. I think that if people adhere to it and live by 607 00:48:09.039 --> 00:48:13.079 it, that things would be better. And yes, I think that they 608 00:48:13.280 --> 00:48:16.480 have completely ignored it. The people that are in power are continuing to ignore 609 00:48:16.480 --> 00:48:22.880 it even more and more. But I don't know that it matters what To 610 00:48:22.000 --> 00:48:27.719 an extent, it doesn't matter what kind of a governmental system you have. 611 00:48:28.280 --> 00:48:36.599 If the people in society are moral and live up to a moral code, 612 00:48:37.519 --> 00:48:44.599 that the government doesn't have as much power. You know, in the Bible, 613 00:48:45.559 --> 00:48:52.800 God tells us that he institutes governments amongst people in order to suppress sin. 614 00:48:52.280 --> 00:48:59.360 Right, So if the people in the society are not sinning very often 615 00:48:59.800 --> 00:49:04.000 and nobody's going around murdering each other and raping each other, well there's really 616 00:49:04.039 --> 00:49:07.320 no purpose for the government. And so the government stays small. And I 617 00:49:07.360 --> 00:49:13.920 think that's why the people who seek power have gone in. I mean, 618 00:49:14.000 --> 00:49:16.400 especially since like the sixties. Right, you know, we've had all these 619 00:49:16.440 --> 00:49:22.880 satanic revolutions since the sixties with the hippies and the rock and roll and the 620 00:49:22.920 --> 00:49:25.840 pornography, and it's just continued to get worse while that all that has done, 621 00:49:27.039 --> 00:49:29.920 and I think this is the purpose of all of it is that it's 622 00:49:30.039 --> 00:49:35.000 instilled sin into society and it has caused us to be an immoral people. 623 00:49:35.519 --> 00:49:40.480 And now since we're an immoral people, it's caused the government to be able 624 00:49:40.519 --> 00:49:49.159 to justify getting bigger and having a heavier hand. And they've got so much 625 00:49:49.199 --> 00:49:52.559 power and control that it doesn't matter if they completely disregard the constitution. What 626 00:49:52.599 --> 00:49:58.519 are you going to do about it? Agreed? And the government wants you 627 00:49:58.599 --> 00:50:00.159 to think and when I say you, i'm you know, the government wants 628 00:50:00.199 --> 00:50:05.960 it's citizens to think that they get their freedoms from the government, not God. 629 00:50:06.320 --> 00:50:07.960 And people need to understand that we get our rights from God, their 630 00:50:08.119 --> 00:50:14.719 natural rights. That's kind of where a lot of people I think missed the 631 00:50:14.760 --> 00:50:19.400 boat on and they just you know, it's the government, it's you know 632 00:50:19.480 --> 00:50:22.000 what it is, what it is. And going back to Franklin, he 633 00:50:22.199 --> 00:50:29.400 he did. He played a big part of writing the Constitution at the Constitutional 634 00:50:29.440 --> 00:50:32.760 Convention in eighty seven, seventeen eighty seven, and he also had of course 635 00:50:32.800 --> 00:50:37.679 a big hand in writing the Declaration of Independence. So I'm not sure I've 636 00:50:37.679 --> 00:50:43.639 really researched into that is interesting because obviously Ben Franklin, big Freemason, George 637 00:50:43.679 --> 00:50:47.440 Washington, big Freemason, kind of would be cool to do some research and 638 00:50:47.519 --> 00:50:52.119 see how those two documents parallel. Well, it would, Like I said, 639 00:50:52.119 --> 00:50:55.360 I probably shouldn't speak on him because I haven't really researched it enough, 640 00:50:55.400 --> 00:51:00.559 but it does seem legitimate. Yeah, how parallels to like a Masonic type 641 00:51:00.559 --> 00:51:06.599 of document, right. Yeah. The other thing I wanted to touch on, 642 00:51:06.679 --> 00:51:09.760 as you mentioned, Helena Bolovatsky, What's I've mentioned a few times on 643 00:51:09.800 --> 00:51:15.079 the other podcast and when we talk about Manly P. Hall and his famous 644 00:51:15.159 --> 00:51:20.000 quote when people can recognize the symbols you know, a great veil will fall 645 00:51:20.159 --> 00:51:24.920 upon mankind. If you look at the logo for the Theosophical Society that she 646 00:51:25.199 --> 00:51:32.199 helped grow and bring about, Holy col there's the Nazi symbol. There's the 647 00:51:34.079 --> 00:51:38.440 Jewish symbol, you know, the two intersecting pyramids with the six corners and 648 00:51:40.000 --> 00:51:45.079 the snake eating its tail, very similar to Nazi symbol. If you've never 649 00:51:45.119 --> 00:51:47.599 seen it, I'll try to remember. Actually, let me put that in 650 00:51:47.639 --> 00:51:52.000 now, so I'll remember to put that in the show description. Lots of 651 00:51:52.199 --> 00:51:59.599 symbology. Have you seen that before? I have, So the the Nazi 652 00:51:59.639 --> 00:52:04.280 symbol you talk about, it's the well yeah it actually yes, thank you 653 00:52:05.280 --> 00:52:10.159 so um for her, that wasn't a Nazi symbol. That was a a 654 00:52:10.280 --> 00:52:17.079 Hindu symbol. And she went around and she was very big into Eastern mysticism, 655 00:52:17.159 --> 00:52:22.559 so um, you know, esoteric Buddhism, esoteric Hinduism, and this 656 00:52:22.599 --> 00:52:27.039 is where she got most of her philosophy and doctrine from. And that's like 657 00:52:27.159 --> 00:52:30.039 what she mostly drew from, was this Eastern mysticism. And so that is 658 00:52:30.079 --> 00:52:37.000 a symbol from from the East. And from what I understand Hitler was reading 659 00:52:37.360 --> 00:52:42.119 her her writings that he was kind of a I don't know if he was 660 00:52:42.239 --> 00:52:45.280 necessarily a follower of Blovotsky, but he was definitely very interested in what she 661 00:52:45.360 --> 00:52:51.800 had to say. So I think that's probably how how they ended up adopting 662 00:52:51.840 --> 00:52:57.960 the swastika for for their purposes, and so I think it was more a 663 00:52:58.079 --> 00:53:07.360 theosophical drive and than anything else. U. And then the the the the 664 00:53:07.440 --> 00:53:12.559 star, uh, they call it the Star of David. That's not correct 665 00:53:12.639 --> 00:53:15.599 at all. I don't think that's any in any way associated with King David. 666 00:53:17.599 --> 00:53:22.280 Possibly I've heard people say that it may have been associated with Solomon because 667 00:53:22.320 --> 00:53:24.639 it towards the end of his life. Of course, he you know, 668 00:53:24.760 --> 00:53:31.079 had his concubines and they kind of turned him toward their their their systems of 669 00:53:31.159 --> 00:53:34.960 belief. So it's you know, it's possible that it may have come from 670 00:53:35.039 --> 00:53:38.480 him. But really that's a hermetic symbol because it's got a triangle pointing up 671 00:53:38.480 --> 00:53:43.599 in a triangle pointing down, and so this is the hermetic principle of as 672 00:53:43.679 --> 00:53:46.800 above so below. So this is hermeticism, which is really the roots of 673 00:53:46.800 --> 00:53:52.639 black magic. Yeah, you know, and that sorry, go ahead, 674 00:53:52.239 --> 00:53:55.400 oh yeah, And so the you know the fact that it is Jewish, 675 00:53:55.679 --> 00:54:01.440 um, the Jewish religion that we have today doesn't seem to really coincide at 676 00:54:01.440 --> 00:54:10.000 all with um, you know, Biblical Hebrew worship of Yahweh. I mean, 677 00:54:10.039 --> 00:54:15.159 it's it's pretty much. These are the people that Jesus spoke about that 678 00:54:15.280 --> 00:54:17.920 they have their traditions of men that are stomping on it on the rules of 679 00:54:19.000 --> 00:54:23.000 God, and they have um, you know, and the dena viper's kind 680 00:54:23.000 --> 00:54:28.679 of thing. And so their stuff comes from what I can tell comes mostly 681 00:54:28.760 --> 00:54:35.000 from uh, you know, Babylonian black magic, which is the worship of 682 00:54:35.039 --> 00:54:38.519 the bales and the worship of Nimrod, you know. And you go down 683 00:54:38.559 --> 00:54:43.199 to Egypt, it's it's Isis and Osiris, and you know, all over 684 00:54:43.400 --> 00:54:50.400 the it's it's paganism, it's polytheism, it's it's what we call the occult, 685 00:54:50.440 --> 00:54:52.800 which I don't think really we can call it the occult anymore because occult 686 00:54:52.880 --> 00:54:59.079 means hidden. They're not hiding anymore. Talked about you talked about Manly Hall, 687 00:54:59.519 --> 00:55:01.880 and I, well, he died what in the nineties, Yeah, 688 00:55:01.880 --> 00:55:06.880 it's been about thirty years now, eight late eighties, early nineties. Okay, 689 00:55:06.880 --> 00:55:10.039 So I watched an interview with him where he talked about that he's so 690 00:55:10.119 --> 00:55:15.320 grateful that now they can start openly talking. And so this must have been 691 00:55:15.400 --> 00:55:17.840 seventies or eighties that this interview was going on, and he was talking then 692 00:55:17.880 --> 00:55:22.519 that he's so grateful that now all these things that they've been hiding and keeping 693 00:55:22.559 --> 00:55:27.519 secret and underground they can now openly talk about. And I think that that's 694 00:55:27.559 --> 00:55:30.159 you know, uh, you know, it wasn't Blavotsky, but it was 695 00:55:30.239 --> 00:55:37.400 her protege, Any Basson. Is that right at Bailey, Alice Bailey. 696 00:55:37.920 --> 00:55:45.119 I believe she was talking about the externalization of the hierarchy, which basically just 697 00:55:45.199 --> 00:55:49.920 means letting the cat out of the bag. You know, once they got 698 00:55:49.960 --> 00:55:55.440 to the point where they they put pushed the New Age, which is you 699 00:55:55.440 --> 00:56:00.920 know, Satanism rebranded, right, they pushed the New Age out into society 700 00:56:00.920 --> 00:56:07.199 and people have accepted it. And that's you know, kind of the the 701 00:56:07.239 --> 00:56:09.639 soup of the day, right, this new Age stuff. Well, once 702 00:56:09.639 --> 00:56:14.039 they push that out and people have accepted it, they can talk about whatever 703 00:56:14.079 --> 00:56:16.880 they want openly and not hide anything. And that's what they've been pushing for. 704 00:56:17.039 --> 00:56:21.320 That's what they want. They want a completely satanic society, and they're 705 00:56:22.199 --> 00:56:27.480 i'd say pretty much there. They're not getting any resistance, that's for sure, 706 00:56:27.519 --> 00:56:30.840 not even within the church. I hate to say, yeah in a 707 00:56:30.880 --> 00:56:35.800 lot of cases anyway. And it's interesting. Obviously she was an occultist, 708 00:56:35.880 --> 00:56:38.840 and there's a lot of stories that whether it's true or not, it's hard 709 00:56:38.840 --> 00:56:44.159 to say because there's been so much disinformation about World War Two. But of 710 00:56:44.199 --> 00:56:46.760 course there's a lot of rumors that Hitler dabbled in the occult as well. 711 00:56:47.119 --> 00:56:51.519 I just think that's an interesting connection, how they kind of mirror the symbology 712 00:56:52.679 --> 00:56:58.800 and there's the occult factor there as well. Right, Well, you look 713 00:56:58.880 --> 00:57:04.840 at the uh, the elite levels in the Nazi system, you know, 714 00:57:05.840 --> 00:57:12.880 Himmler and all the rest. They uh they were deep occultists and um they 715 00:57:12.880 --> 00:57:19.039 were traveling around the world trying to find occult artifacts. And uh no, 716 00:57:19.199 --> 00:57:24.800 they were into the whole fuel society thing. And this idea of the arians, 717 00:57:24.840 --> 00:57:29.119 you know, and the root races and this all comes from Blovotsky, 718 00:57:30.199 --> 00:57:32.960 uh and and and and really if you trace it down, it goes down 719 00:57:32.960 --> 00:57:38.119 into her meticism, and uh this is ancient, ancient stuff. And and 720 00:57:38.639 --> 00:57:46.719 this was this was the before Christianity came through. This, This was just 721 00:57:46.760 --> 00:57:52.639 the open way people lived, you know, worshiping pagan gods and and trying 722 00:57:52.679 --> 00:57:57.960 to become superman and trying to become gods themselves. I mean, that's just 723 00:57:58.039 --> 00:58:05.000 what people did until Christianity came through, and then people accepted the truth of 724 00:58:05.079 --> 00:58:08.320 Christ and that all that stuff had to go underground, so all their priests 725 00:58:08.360 --> 00:58:13.679 and their elites had to had to hide and pretend like they weren't doing what 726 00:58:13.719 --> 00:58:17.280 they were doing. And that's how it became o cold. But now they've 727 00:58:17.320 --> 00:58:22.679 turned the page and it's just not o cold anymore. Do you see any 728 00:58:22.719 --> 00:58:34.639 links between Blavatsky and Marino Bramovich. I know, one's Russian, one Serbian, 729 00:58:35.400 --> 00:58:37.679 um, but it seems like they have a lot of the same type 730 00:58:37.679 --> 00:58:45.079 of background. Same well well, I mean the same spirits are running through 731 00:58:45.119 --> 00:58:52.400 and I tell you that much. I'm sure about that the ideologies because in 732 00:58:52.440 --> 00:58:58.480 my study of the Occold, it seems like it's an evolving knowledge system, 733 00:58:58.599 --> 00:59:02.440 right Like they're they're trying to get back the knowledge that they lost. They're 734 00:59:02.440 --> 00:59:06.880 trying to rebuild, and they're trying and then they're also adding new things to 735 00:59:07.039 --> 00:59:13.559 it so as technology comes in. Now they can use technology to their to 736 00:59:13.679 --> 00:59:20.480 their advantage, and so there's there's all this this changing and evolving coming when 737 00:59:20.800 --> 00:59:27.199 when um, when Crowley came onto the scene, he took a lot of 738 00:59:27.239 --> 00:59:31.000 this ancient stuff and added a lot of his new stuff and made a whole 739 00:59:31.000 --> 00:59:37.039 completely new system with with Thelema. I mean, that was a whole new 740 00:59:37.079 --> 00:59:40.920 system, religious system that never existed before, and it added a lot of 741 00:59:40.960 --> 00:59:46.719 new things in and and then I think Abramovich is probably closer linked to Crowley 742 00:59:46.719 --> 00:59:52.400 than she is Blovotsky. But it's again, I think it's all the same 743 00:59:52.440 --> 00:59:57.000 spirit, you know, it's just the spirit of Antichrist, and it's I 744 00:59:57.400 --> 01:00:01.239 think that I think that as Christians, when we look at other religious systems, 745 01:00:01.360 --> 01:00:05.880 especially the occult, I think that we have this idea that they're unified, 746 01:00:06.199 --> 01:00:08.039 because we try to be unified. I mean we're not, but we 747 01:00:08.079 --> 01:00:12.960 try to be unified under like a biblical standard, and we try to always, 748 01:00:13.559 --> 01:00:16.960 you know, follow the Biblical mandate in our lives. And so I 749 01:00:17.000 --> 01:00:21.159 think that we assume that the occult does the same thing. But they I 750 01:00:21.159 --> 01:00:24.800 don't think they do. I think that they have threads that pass between them. 751 01:00:24.800 --> 01:00:32.239 But I think that because one of the one of the kind of precepts 752 01:00:32.239 --> 01:00:37.480 of Satanism is that you're doing your own thing, right, it would probably 753 01:00:37.119 --> 01:00:43.039 that will yeah, yeah, and so and so. You know, each 754 01:00:43.039 --> 01:00:46.840 individual is doing whatever they want to do, and you know, screw the 755 01:00:46.880 --> 01:00:50.679 rest of them if that's if it gets in my way, right. So, 756 01:00:50.840 --> 01:00:55.679 I don't think there's the unity that that we expect to find. So, 757 01:00:58.239 --> 01:01:00.920 you know, just because well By did this and Crowley did that, 758 01:01:01.079 --> 01:01:05.599 and this guy's doing that, it doesn't mean that they're you know, maybe 759 01:01:05.599 --> 01:01:08.159 they drew from some of their writings or maybe that, you know, but 760 01:01:08.400 --> 01:01:13.840 I think that I think that every group is just individual to itself, is 761 01:01:13.840 --> 01:01:17.079 what I'm finding to an extent. Now, of course, the elites at 762 01:01:17.079 --> 01:01:24.920 the top they have a definite set of belief systems and a real true doctrine 763 01:01:25.400 --> 01:01:30.079 that they go by. But you know, I think that these disparate groups. 764 01:01:30.119 --> 01:01:35.320 I don't think the devil cares if you worship him or if you worship 765 01:01:35.480 --> 01:01:38.360 Zeus or if you worship As long as he's pulling you away from Christ and 766 01:01:38.440 --> 01:01:45.639 away from truth, he's winning, he's achieving his goal. So you know, 767 01:01:45.800 --> 01:01:50.239 he doesn't care if you want to be you know, a Nazi or 768 01:01:50.480 --> 01:01:55.559 or metasister or anything. I think you had mentioned, you know, sister 769 01:01:55.760 --> 01:02:00.800 on the subject. Did you mention in your first email that you had some 770 01:02:00.840 --> 01:02:07.320 type of demonic encounter? I did, yeah, when um, when I 771 01:02:07.480 --> 01:02:12.239 first and I don't know. I've kind of always had paranormal things happen in 772 01:02:12.280 --> 01:02:16.599 my life, but no, I have you ever heard of sleep paralysis? 773 01:02:16.840 --> 01:02:19.960 H In fact, yeah, you have. You had a guest on I 774 01:02:20.079 --> 01:02:23.480 was talking about that. I remember, Uh No, I've had sleep paralysis 775 01:02:23.519 --> 01:02:29.039 off and on through my life and never really understood it. I just knew 776 01:02:29.039 --> 01:02:35.360 it was very uncomfortable. And when I was getting closer to God and at 777 01:02:35.360 --> 01:02:39.800 the same time learning about the occult, I think that when you read certain 778 01:02:40.000 --> 01:02:45.400 and I wouldn't suggest that people read occult writings please, in fact, please 779 01:02:45.440 --> 01:02:47.440 don't unless you really truly feel like you're led to it, because there is 780 01:02:47.440 --> 01:02:52.079 a and there's reasons that people get into it. There's a temptation there, 781 01:02:52.239 --> 01:02:58.039 so it's it's really dangerous and I just wouldn't suggest it. But to understand 782 01:02:58.079 --> 01:03:01.480 my enemy, I was reading some of their writings, and as I was 783 01:03:01.519 --> 01:03:06.599 doing that, I think that I think that when you're doing that you're kind 784 01:03:06.639 --> 01:03:10.199 of opening doors. And I ended up having a sleep paralysis one night. 785 01:03:12.280 --> 01:03:16.599 And whenever that happens, you just get this sense like there's a presence in 786 01:03:16.639 --> 01:03:22.000 the room and it's not nice. And I could feel that, and it's 787 01:03:23.000 --> 01:03:24.920 I felt like, you know, I just I got to get away from 788 01:03:24.960 --> 01:03:30.079 this, but I can't move, you know, you're paralyzed. And I 789 01:03:30.079 --> 01:03:34.920 could see, not really with my physical eyes, but I could just kind 790 01:03:34.920 --> 01:03:38.360 of I could really say, I could see with my you know, like 791 01:03:38.400 --> 01:03:45.920 a spiritual vision. I could see an entity moving and leaving my room and 792 01:03:46.159 --> 01:03:53.039 going down to my kid's room, and he started messing with my kid and 793 01:03:53.280 --> 01:03:59.320 all of the fear and I couldn't even describe the fear. And it's it's 794 01:03:59.719 --> 01:04:08.039 a deep hopelessness that um, it's just really truly indescribable. It's it's it's 795 01:04:08.599 --> 01:04:13.639 darkness beyond black. I mean, it's it's just a real true feeling of 796 01:04:13.679 --> 01:04:23.239 hopelessness and despair and indescribable feeling, the deepest emotion that I've ever felt in 797 01:04:23.280 --> 01:04:28.280 my life. But when I when I perceived that he was going down messing 798 01:04:28.320 --> 01:04:31.639 with my son, that there was just a baby at the time, all 799 01:04:31.679 --> 01:04:39.239 of that fear and hopelessness and depression and anxiety, and I had the same 800 01:04:39.360 --> 01:04:45.960 intensity of emotion, but it all switched to anger. I'm gonna stop you, 801 01:04:45.920 --> 01:04:50.000 is what I could feel. And I was completely driven by that, 802 01:04:50.119 --> 01:04:58.360 and I was able to This is going to sound really strange and weird to 803 01:04:58.400 --> 01:05:03.920 people, but I had an out of body experience. I just all of 804 01:05:03.960 --> 01:05:08.400 the will in me said I'm gonna go get this thing and stop it from 805 01:05:08.400 --> 01:05:11.840 what it's doing. And I started to turn and I was able to turn 806 01:05:11.920 --> 01:05:15.440 my head, but my physical head stayed on the pillow. I was still 807 01:05:15.519 --> 01:05:20.000 physically paralyzed, but I was able to come a little bit out of my 808 01:05:20.039 --> 01:05:26.159 body and spiritually turn my head. And when I did this thing knew what 809 01:05:26.199 --> 01:05:30.360 I was doing, and instantly it was back by my bedside, and I 810 01:05:30.440 --> 01:05:33.000 looked at the damn thing and it grabbed me and it pulled me out of 811 01:05:33.039 --> 01:05:39.679 my body, and it drugged me to my closet and I was trying to 812 01:05:39.800 --> 01:05:43.440 like scream. Looking back, I should have just called out for Jesus. 813 01:05:43.719 --> 01:05:47.559 I know for a fact it would have been over instantly, but I was 814 01:05:47.599 --> 01:05:51.880 so overcome by well, first of all, the experience, it was very 815 01:05:51.920 --> 01:06:00.440 strange, but also just this deep anger and just vitriol that I'm just I'm 816 01:06:00.440 --> 01:06:02.960 gonna get. There's absolutely nothing I could do to this thing. I mean, 817 01:06:02.960 --> 01:06:05.280 it was completely more powerful than me, but I didn't care. I 818 01:06:05.320 --> 01:06:12.239 was gonna die stopping it from messing with my kids. And so I'm trying 819 01:06:12.239 --> 01:06:17.440 to scream like help or I don't know something, and my wife woke up. 820 01:06:17.519 --> 01:06:20.760 She said that I was making the strangest noise like kind of like ah, 821 01:06:21.480 --> 01:06:25.559 you know, she said it kind of freaking her out, and I 822 01:06:25.639 --> 01:06:28.800 was kind of like digging into her leg, you know, and she woke 823 01:06:28.920 --> 01:06:31.519 up. As soon as she woke up, this thing stopped. I was 824 01:06:31.559 --> 01:06:39.760 back in my body, and ever since then, I've been what would you 825 01:06:39.800 --> 01:06:48.079 say, just extremely sensitive to spiritual things around me. I can sense demons 826 01:06:48.079 --> 01:06:51.599 when they're around. And I know this probably sounds strange to a lot of 827 01:06:51.639 --> 01:06:57.719 people, but people that have had any kind of experience with this will understand 828 01:06:57.719 --> 01:07:02.280 completely where I'm coming from. I think, you know, many people listen 829 01:07:02.320 --> 01:07:08.639 to this podcast or probably more receptive to to that type of thing than the 830 01:07:08.639 --> 01:07:12.920 folks who just listened to regular entertainment, you know, type of podcasts. 831 01:07:13.239 --> 01:07:17.639 People understand that this is a spiritual battle. I've had sleep paralysis a few, 832 01:07:17.920 --> 01:07:21.039 very few, but I've had them, and it's I can say that 833 01:07:21.159 --> 01:07:28.960 it is one of the most distressing things that you can cover encounter because you 834 01:07:29.119 --> 01:07:31.800 literally feel like you're strapped onto a guerney like you know in the in the 835 01:07:32.079 --> 01:07:36.079 horror movies, like the psych patient is completely strapped down because you can't move. 836 01:07:36.679 --> 01:07:41.039 You try to scream. And you know, when I was going through 837 01:07:41.079 --> 01:07:43.760 that back and forth between Iraq, I was dealing with a lot of sleep 838 01:07:43.800 --> 01:07:47.239 issues and night terrors and things of that nature. Your mind can really it's 839 01:07:47.679 --> 01:07:51.199 um and I do believe there's people who can kind of sense these kind of 840 01:07:51.199 --> 01:07:55.400 things. And I believe, if I remember correctly, that was like one 841 01:07:55.440 --> 01:07:59.760 of the last things that you encountered before you really rolled into and you know, 842 01:08:00.000 --> 01:08:01.440 I showed you the flat Earth, right. It wasn't too long after 843 01:08:01.480 --> 01:08:08.119 that experience, you know, it was it was within a couple of weeks. 844 01:08:09.079 --> 01:08:14.719 Yeah, And he just really you know, uh, it's it's really 845 01:08:14.760 --> 01:08:17.720 neat how God works in my life. He really sets me up for success. 846 01:08:17.840 --> 01:08:21.920 When I first came into the flat or, I was coming to kind 847 01:08:21.920 --> 01:08:27.680 of a point where I'm you know, as I'm digging into the rabbit hole 848 01:08:27.720 --> 01:08:31.760 and learning about all these different truths and exposing wise and all of this, 849 01:08:32.000 --> 01:08:35.520 that I had kind of come to a brick wall where like I really wasn't 850 01:08:35.600 --> 01:08:40.520 learning a lot of new things. I was just getting more detail on the 851 01:08:40.600 --> 01:08:45.239 stuff that I was already privy too. And I and I had been praying, 852 01:08:45.319 --> 01:08:46.960 and I, you know, I prayed, please, you know, 853 01:08:47.279 --> 01:08:49.920 show me what the next thing is or what is the next thing that I 854 01:08:49.960 --> 01:08:55.800 need to know and and and yeah, after this experience, it wasn't but 855 01:08:55.880 --> 01:09:02.960 a couple of weeks, and that experience really open me up to I kind 856 01:09:03.000 --> 01:09:13.800 of moved from like believing to knowing on certain things. You know, when 857 01:09:13.840 --> 01:09:16.239 you have an out of body experience, you know that consciousness exists out of 858 01:09:16.239 --> 01:09:21.319 the body, So life after death doesn't seem unreasonable at all after this. 859 01:09:23.039 --> 01:09:31.239 So, I was working as a mechanical designer and usually I'm at my computer, 860 01:09:31.399 --> 01:09:33.800 my boss sends me an email, here's the project, and then I'm 861 01:09:33.880 --> 01:09:41.399 left to myself and I'm just listening to podcasts and YouTube videos and stuff in 862 01:09:41.399 --> 01:09:47.199 the background all day. And this one day they were working on something at 863 01:09:47.199 --> 01:09:51.279 my desk, so they shoved me in the back corner into this like spare 864 01:09:51.359 --> 01:09:58.800 computer and I was directly across from like my boss's boss's office, and I 865 01:09:58.880 --> 01:10:01.760 usually don't interact with this guy, but since I'm like in the line of 866 01:10:01.800 --> 01:10:04.600 sight to his office, he felt the need to come up and like talk 867 01:10:04.680 --> 01:10:10.399 to me directly, and he came up with this project that he wanted me 868 01:10:10.439 --> 01:10:15.560 to work on. So I'm listening. I was studying philosophy and I was 869 01:10:15.600 --> 01:10:18.720 listening to us to faun Mal a new video, and he said, Hey, 870 01:10:18.760 --> 01:10:23.640 I got this philosophy that I want to tell you about, but you 871 01:10:23.760 --> 01:10:26.239 have to understand where the guys coming from. And he says, I know 872 01:10:26.279 --> 01:10:30.439 it sounds stupid, but he believes in a hollow earth. And if you 873 01:10:30.479 --> 01:10:32.560 know, to understand his philosophy, you need to understand a little bit about 874 01:10:32.600 --> 01:10:35.600 hollow Earth. So if you've never heard about this, pause this video and 875 01:10:35.680 --> 01:10:39.840 go, you know, watch a couple of things on hollow Earth. So 876 01:10:39.880 --> 01:10:43.479 I do this. I click on hollow Earth and I just clicked on the 877 01:10:43.520 --> 01:10:46.359 first video and then that's when my boss came out. So I took my 878 01:10:46.399 --> 01:10:50.600 earbuds out and I'm listening to him half hour later, I'm like, okay, 879 01:10:50.640 --> 01:10:54.119 I'm flying on this thing. I can put my earbuds back in, 880 01:10:54.239 --> 01:10:59.319 so I pop them in. And of course this was back when the YouTube 881 01:10:59.479 --> 01:11:05.039 algorithm rhythm actually worked functioning, and so so you could like look up things 882 01:11:05.079 --> 01:11:08.399 that you really wanted to know about, and then it would take you to 883 01:11:08.439 --> 01:11:13.239 other things that we're actually pertinent and interesting. So by this time a half 884 01:11:13.279 --> 01:11:15.520 hour in, it had switched from Hollow Earth and it started on a flot 885 01:11:15.560 --> 01:11:19.159 Earth video. So I stick my earbuds in and I was kind of half 886 01:11:19.199 --> 01:11:25.520 listening because I just wanted background basically, and so for like five minutes, 887 01:11:25.880 --> 01:11:29.279 I'm just kind of like absent mindedly. Got this plane in the background, 888 01:11:29.399 --> 01:11:34.039 and it was I think it was an Eric Dubay video, and and he 889 01:11:34.159 --> 01:11:41.159 was talking about that that Andy new Wiki photo of Chicago from like sixty miles 890 01:11:41.119 --> 01:11:46.760 away yep. And I I heard him say this, and he's talking about 891 01:11:46.840 --> 01:11:49.399 the map and how you shouldn't be able to see this, and I'm like, 892 01:11:49.439 --> 01:11:53.960 wait, what what is this guy talking about? So I started listening, 893 01:11:54.439 --> 01:11:58.439 and then he's talking about like some lighthouse that you can see for forty 894 01:11:58.479 --> 01:12:00.840 miles away and it should be one hundred feet under the and I'm like, 895 01:12:00.920 --> 01:12:06.520 this is what is going on here? So I started listening and U but 896 01:12:06.720 --> 01:12:12.119 by the end of the day I'd gone through like ten or fifteen videos I 897 01:12:12.239 --> 01:12:16.720 had. I went and talked to my uh my, my boss. And 898 01:12:16.840 --> 01:12:20.239 he's an engineer, right like a like a you know, so he's so 899 01:12:20.319 --> 01:12:24.520 he knows like derivative calculat you know, like he knows this stuff off the 900 01:12:24.560 --> 01:12:28.439 top of his head with like good with math and like perspective and all that 901 01:12:28.439 --> 01:12:30.119 stuff. So I went and asked him. I'm like, hey, when 902 01:12:30.119 --> 01:12:34.399 you got a break, I got a math question for you. So I 903 01:12:34.439 --> 01:12:40.960 told him about this photo and he starts doing the math, and then we're 904 01:12:41.039 --> 01:12:45.600 up on the white board we're drawing pictures. We get on AutoCAD. We 905 01:12:45.680 --> 01:12:51.560 actually drew a full sized circle that was the size of the Earth, and 906 01:12:51.600 --> 01:12:55.439 then we zoomed in and we put like a six foot dude on there, 907 01:12:55.439 --> 01:13:00.600 and then we put the Sears tower up there and and did the distant and 908 01:13:00.760 --> 01:13:02.319 so we're looking at it visually and it's like, yeah, sure enough, 909 01:13:02.479 --> 01:13:06.039 like basically just the tip of the antenna of these things all you would be 910 01:13:06.079 --> 01:13:11.079 able to see and by the end of this, He's like, I don't 911 01:13:11.119 --> 01:13:14.439 know there's something off either. He's like, I know that our math isn't 912 01:13:14.479 --> 01:13:17.039 off. He said, maybe maybe they're ing about the picture. I'm like, 913 01:13:17.119 --> 01:13:20.159 yeah, but this isn't the only thing I'm seeing, Like look at 914 01:13:20.199 --> 01:13:23.640 this, look at this, look at this, look at this. Uh, 915 01:13:23.720 --> 01:13:28.439 you know, the burst Khaliva Tower and the look at the you know, 916 01:13:28.439 --> 01:13:30.760 we're going through all this stuff. Well by the end of the week, 917 01:13:30.800 --> 01:13:34.840 I'm a full on flat earth. I think he's basically there but doesn't 918 01:13:34.880 --> 01:13:42.039 want to say anything because he's embarrassing, right, But you just can't get 919 01:13:42.039 --> 01:13:45.319 past that. You can't get past the fact that you can see further than 920 01:13:45.359 --> 01:13:49.399 you should be able to see. I've seen I don't know if you've seen 921 01:13:49.439 --> 01:13:57.800 this picture of these these offshore oil rigs that are like you can see one 922 01:13:57.880 --> 01:14:00.439 at three miles and then behind that there's one at like six miles, and 923 01:14:00.479 --> 01:14:04.079 then there's one back here, and then you can still see water behind that. 924 01:14:04.079 --> 01:14:09.880 That should not happen. Like to me, that's proof that either either 925 01:14:09.960 --> 01:14:15.720 we're on a flat plane or the globe is about one hundred and fifty times 926 01:14:15.720 --> 01:14:20.000 bigger than they're claiming it. Is, and you know, reasonably, the 927 01:14:20.239 --> 01:14:26.359 flat plane makes a lot more sense. So yeah, and there's so many 928 01:14:26.399 --> 01:14:31.159 cases like that. Um the sun, it's interesting when the races come through 929 01:14:31.199 --> 01:14:34.119 the clouds that if it's ninety three million miles away, why does it come 930 01:14:34.119 --> 01:14:36.760 through all the cloud Why do they go in space? Does it get darker 931 01:14:36.800 --> 01:14:40.720 instead of lighter. There's so many things that we, I guess, took 932 01:14:40.760 --> 01:14:45.760 advantage of via the Rockefeller education system versus just using our common sense. And 933 01:14:45.800 --> 01:14:49.319 that goes back to what you were saying earlier about well, I'll have to 934 01:14:49.520 --> 01:14:55.479 defer to a subject matter expert right right, which is which? Like you 935 01:14:55.520 --> 01:14:59.359 said, it's a cop out because if if I, you know, if 936 01:14:59.359 --> 01:15:00.680 I'm trying to tell you a lie and I get stuck in my lie, 937 01:15:00.680 --> 01:15:03.800 I can just be like, oh, that's not my area of expertise, 938 01:15:05.039 --> 01:15:10.159 exactly, go talk to go talk to this guy. What how did you 939 01:15:10.640 --> 01:15:14.479 take it? And did you immediately like when he went home that night, 940 01:15:14.520 --> 01:15:17.319 in the next several days, were you just driving down that rabbit holding consuming 941 01:15:17.439 --> 01:15:28.399 videos and information. You know, most people I hear say that they that 942 01:15:28.479 --> 01:15:31.960 they denied it and tried to debunk it for a long time and that it 943 01:15:31.960 --> 01:15:34.920 took a long time to get to the point where they could accept the flatter. 944 01:15:35.479 --> 01:15:40.239 But I tell you what, George, after learning the money is just 945 01:15:40.359 --> 01:15:46.600 paper and you know, the control grid that we're under, and then having 946 01:15:46.640 --> 01:15:53.359 this this demonic experience and learning the truth of Christ and that everything is a 947 01:15:53.399 --> 01:15:57.520 lie, Honestly, when that came up to me, it was just like, 948 01:15:57.560 --> 01:16:02.159 well that makes sense. It wasn't immediate, but like I said, 949 01:16:02.199 --> 01:16:11.920 I I was consuming material for probably probably a week and a half, two 950 01:16:11.960 --> 01:16:15.119 weeks, just nothing but flatter stuff. And the more I dug into it, 951 01:16:15.199 --> 01:16:18.399 the more sense it made. You know. I tried to debunk it. 952 01:16:18.520 --> 01:16:21.520 I tried to say no, because it's got to be a globe, 953 01:16:21.640 --> 01:16:26.640 and then, you know, how can everybody be wrong? And so I 954 01:16:26.760 --> 01:16:31.159 kind of tried to but I was pretty much right away leaning toward the flat, 955 01:16:31.279 --> 01:16:38.920 especially when I heard the biblical you know, the passages in the Bible 956 01:16:39.000 --> 01:16:45.439 that describe a flatter earth. Because after that, after pretty much right away, 957 01:16:45.520 --> 01:16:48.640 I started looking up you know, biblical description of cosmology. I came 958 01:16:48.680 --> 01:16:57.880 across Oh, there was a Michael Heiser video where he goes over, you 959 01:16:57.880 --> 01:17:00.960 know, technically, yes, the language says we are a flat plane with 960 01:17:01.000 --> 01:17:04.159 a solid dome over the top of it, and the throne of God directly 961 01:17:04.199 --> 01:17:09.199 above at sun, moon and stars inside. And now he wasn't a flat 962 01:17:09.239 --> 01:17:12.239 earth or he said, well, that's just the language they use because that's 963 01:17:12.239 --> 01:17:15.520 what they understood at the time. But when I realized that the Bible literally 964 01:17:15.560 --> 01:17:24.439 says we're on a flat or I there's no denying that. I mean to 965 01:17:24.520 --> 01:17:28.640 me, I don't think that you can make a case that the Bible in 966 01:17:28.720 --> 01:17:33.840 any way depicts in any sort of what the you know, secular astronomy says. 967 01:17:33.880 --> 01:17:39.000 I don't think it's even close. In fact, I think it's again 968 01:17:39.039 --> 01:17:45.439 one hundred and eighty degrees in the other direction. And it was pretty easy 969 01:17:45.520 --> 01:17:50.640 for me to accept it. And did you feel the need to share that 970 01:17:50.720 --> 01:17:55.079 information with others or did you realize that you know, yeah, oh, 971 01:17:56.439 --> 01:18:00.119 I told everybody you know at this point, George, by that point in 972 01:18:00.239 --> 01:18:03.960 my life, I don't care what anybody thinks. It's important that it's important 973 01:18:04.000 --> 01:18:09.119 that people know the truth. I'll tell anybody anything, And I am unashamed, 974 01:18:09.199 --> 01:18:15.600 because what do I got to lose? What I'm gonna know, somebody's 975 01:18:15.640 --> 01:18:17.880 not gonna like me. I could care less. I you know, like 976 01:18:17.920 --> 01:18:20.560 I said in the beginning, I you know, at a certain point I 977 01:18:20.600 --> 01:18:28.079 lost all my friends. I'm making new friends now. And if somebody's open 978 01:18:28.159 --> 01:18:31.760 to the truth, they're willing to hear anything. They might disagree or they 979 01:18:31.800 --> 01:18:36.079 might have questions. But if you're not open to the truth, you know, 980 01:18:36.119 --> 01:18:41.159 I'm gonna spit it at you. And if you're gonna just completely ignore 981 01:18:41.199 --> 01:18:45.760 it, then that's that's on you. I really don't care anything at all 982 01:18:45.840 --> 01:18:53.840 about appeasing people's emotions or fallacies or because, like I said, I think 983 01:18:53.920 --> 01:19:00.079 that the times that we're living in the days are getting shorter, and it's 984 01:19:00.119 --> 01:19:08.479 imperative that truth is known by as many people as absolutely possible. And if 985 01:19:08.520 --> 01:19:14.760 I can have any sort of effect in that direction, then I'm gonna do 986 01:19:14.760 --> 01:19:16.560 what I can. I mean, that's why I started a podcast. That's 987 01:19:16.600 --> 01:19:19.800 why, you know, that's why I was reached out to you to be 988 01:19:19.840 --> 01:19:25.840 on your podcast. I I just want to have that dialogue and I want 989 01:19:25.840 --> 01:19:30.079 to have what i'm learning get out. No I told everybody I could, 990 01:19:30.199 --> 01:19:36.479 and I actually have converts. My wife is accepted, and she she when 991 01:19:36.479 --> 01:19:42.880 I showed her the biblical scripture she was like, Oh, Okay, if 992 01:19:42.880 --> 01:19:45.119 the Bible says it, then that's you know, that's the way it is. 993 01:19:45.840 --> 01:19:49.039 Now. She didn't want to actually have conversations about it, you know, 994 01:19:49.520 --> 01:19:51.720 because because I try and bring it up. She's just like, I 995 01:19:51.720 --> 01:19:57.560 don't want to talk about it anymore because I think it did upset her. 996 01:19:58.560 --> 01:20:01.520 But no, my my kids, we openly talk about it. We kind 997 01:20:01.520 --> 01:20:06.720 of mocked the school, and we kind of mocked the general narrative that's out 998 01:20:06.760 --> 01:20:10.479 in the world. We kind of laugh at him. They actually believe this, 999 01:20:10.680 --> 01:20:16.520 you know. So my kids have that. There's I've told three or 1000 01:20:16.560 --> 01:20:19.560 four people in the church, and a couple of them have accepted it. 1001 01:20:19.680 --> 01:20:24.000 Again, They're like, oh, yeah, I think you're right. But 1002 01:20:24.520 --> 01:20:26.720 yeah, I'm not gonna go telling people about it. And I'm like why 1003 01:20:26.760 --> 01:20:30.319 not. I'm like, you tell people about the fallacies of evolution, don't 1004 01:20:30.319 --> 01:20:32.000 you. Oh yeah, yeah, Well why wouldn't you tell them about the 1005 01:20:32.000 --> 01:20:39.880 fallacies of cosmology? That's infinitely more important. And they just they don't want 1006 01:20:39.920 --> 01:20:45.279 to look foolish. I guess, have you had that conversation with your pastor? 1007 01:20:46.439 --> 01:20:50.520 I did, and did well. I sent him, I sent him 1008 01:20:50.520 --> 01:20:56.319 a video and I asked him what he thought of it, and he pretty 1009 01:20:56.399 --> 01:21:00.239 much dismissed it out of hand. I've tried to bring it up a couple 1010 01:21:00.279 --> 01:21:06.600 of times. I brought it up with with you know, just dropping seeds 1011 01:21:06.640 --> 01:21:12.840 like things that, you know, just kind of hinting towards it, and 1012 01:21:13.079 --> 01:21:15.479 he'll say things like, yeah, yeah, that kind of that makes sense 1013 01:21:15.560 --> 01:21:19.960 or no, I've never questioned it in that way. But he's he's not 1014 01:21:21.920 --> 01:21:27.880 yet on board and in fact kind of vehemently against it. He's like, 1015 01:21:28.199 --> 01:21:30.800 he's like, yeah, he's like, I hear what they're saying, and 1016 01:21:30.239 --> 01:21:33.760 he said, but it's definitely a clobe and it's definitely you know, all 1017 01:21:33.800 --> 01:21:38.680 of the all of the stuff that's said in the university is right, you 1018 01:21:38.720 --> 01:21:43.520 know. So I'm working on it. That's interesting. I in my last 1019 01:21:43.600 --> 01:21:49.319 interview with Steve, we kind of had that conversation, you know, what 1020 01:21:49.479 --> 01:21:55.760 percentage of the pastors out there have come across it? And then the other 1021 01:21:55.840 --> 01:21:59.000 question was how many of them even if they said, oh, my goodness, 1022 01:21:59.079 --> 01:22:00.840 I you know, and they go back and they read their Bible and 1023 01:22:00.840 --> 01:22:04.680 they say, well, we do live on a flat earth from it, 1024 01:22:04.760 --> 01:22:06.960 and I hate to use this term. I'm not going to use that term 1025 01:22:08.000 --> 01:22:12.840 as a business, but as a pastor in a world where one could argue 1026 01:22:12.920 --> 01:22:17.079 that the congregation numbers are at its lowest, and you know, who knows 1027 01:22:17.119 --> 01:22:23.119 how long how many of the pastors, what percentage of pastors would would have 1028 01:22:23.159 --> 01:22:28.479 the courage to bring that forward to their congregation. It would be really hard 1029 01:22:28.520 --> 01:22:30.560 if you had a congregation of people that listen to you, and you knew 1030 01:22:30.600 --> 01:22:32.880 that something that you were going to bring up to them, you would end 1031 01:22:32.960 --> 01:22:39.760 up losing three fourths of your listeners. That would be a difficult thing to 1032 01:22:39.840 --> 01:22:45.920 confront. But I don't know. Like I said, days are short, 1033 01:22:46.000 --> 01:22:49.439 and if you're a pastor out there and you believe the earth is flat and 1034 01:22:49.439 --> 01:22:54.840 you're scared to tell your congregation, I don't know. I would just encourage 1035 01:22:54.840 --> 01:22:59.880 people to go ahead and say the truth. It's biblical, it's doctrine. 1036 01:23:00.079 --> 01:23:05.880 This is doctrine, and this is the revelation of our day. This is 1037 01:23:05.920 --> 01:23:14.880 the revelation that if people shared this doctrine and it was accepted by a large 1038 01:23:14.960 --> 01:23:20.520 enough amount of people, it could completely revolutionize all of society. Truly, 1039 01:23:21.800 --> 01:23:26.680 God is showing us this for a reason, and it's because we're at that 1040 01:23:26.760 --> 01:23:30.039 point in history where this has to be known. Lies have to be exposed, 1041 01:23:30.039 --> 01:23:33.680 and he tells us that that all all lives will be exposed, and 1042 01:23:33.720 --> 01:23:38.600 this I think is part of that. You know, obviously, when he 1043 01:23:38.640 --> 01:23:42.119 shows up, everything's going to be exposed instantly, But that doesn't mean that 1044 01:23:43.520 --> 01:23:47.159 the work isn't already begun. And I think that this flat earth doctrine is 1045 01:23:47.199 --> 01:23:54.159 that work beginning. You you had mentioned, I'm sorry, did you get 1046 01:23:54.199 --> 01:23:56.439 if you want to go? No? Go ahead? I was. I 1047 01:23:56.560 --> 01:23:59.880 was just going to add to that, but go ahead. You had mentioned 1048 01:24:00.079 --> 01:24:04.800 that the globe is a huge part of the great deception? What what other 1049 01:24:04.880 --> 01:24:10.000 parts would you say that are a part of this great deception that goes along 1050 01:24:10.000 --> 01:24:15.199 with the globe. So, based on my study and what I've come to 1051 01:24:15.239 --> 01:24:26.680 accept is that the Genesis sixth narrative were fallen angels had relations with human women, 1052 01:24:27.760 --> 01:24:31.159 and this produced the nepheline, which are now the demons that we deal 1053 01:24:31.199 --> 01:24:35.479 with, the unclean spirits as Christ call them, because uh, you know, 1054 01:24:35.520 --> 01:24:39.560 they can't get to heaven and there's you know, no place you know, 1055 01:24:39.600 --> 01:24:43.000 they were never meant to be, and so they're wandering spirits on the 1056 01:24:43.000 --> 01:24:46.720 earth, like the Book of Enoch says, and in the past they were 1057 01:24:46.760 --> 01:24:50.560 worshiped as gods and demi demi gods. You know, you got like Hercules 1058 01:24:50.600 --> 01:24:57.800 and Occlees and you know all these other uh you know, god teens that 1059 01:24:58.039 --> 01:25:02.960 ruled over the earth. I think preef And so they openly were out and 1060 01:25:03.119 --> 01:25:11.960 being worshiped as gods. But in this time, they've converted society into believing 1061 01:25:12.720 --> 01:25:17.359 in materialism, so there is no spiritual aspect to anything. So they want 1062 01:25:17.399 --> 01:25:21.359 to but they want to bring their gods that they worshiped back into being worshiped. 1063 01:25:21.840 --> 01:25:28.520 So after converting everybody into materialism, they can't come out and say, 1064 01:25:28.520 --> 01:25:30.399 oh, well, yeah, but these are the gods. Well what do 1065 01:25:30.439 --> 01:25:32.239 you mean gods? There's no gods. So they have to bring them back 1066 01:25:32.279 --> 01:25:36.439 in a different way. And I believe that's what the alien deception is. 1067 01:25:36.840 --> 01:25:40.600 I think that they're you know, they've convinced us that the Earth is a 1068 01:25:40.600 --> 01:25:45.640 globe. They've convinced us that their star systems millions of miles away or trillions 1069 01:25:45.640 --> 01:25:49.000 of miles away. They've convinced us that creation is well, they wouldn't even 1070 01:25:49.039 --> 01:25:54.479 call it creation, but they they've convinced us that existence has been around for 1071 01:25:54.600 --> 01:25:59.199 billions of years and that these societies have built up and that they're far superior 1072 01:25:59.239 --> 01:26:02.239 to us and they're visiting us. So they're going to bring back their gods, 1073 01:26:02.279 --> 01:26:06.840 which are the nepheline, and I think that's what these hybrid programs are. 1074 01:26:06.920 --> 01:26:11.960 I think there's a genetic component to it. I think so I think 1075 01:26:12.000 --> 01:26:16.359 that the great deception is that the world is a globe and that there's aliens 1076 01:26:16.359 --> 01:26:19.199 coming down and that they're going to be our over lords. And I think 1077 01:26:19.199 --> 01:26:25.079 that that's how in this end, I think that they come back as as 1078 01:26:25.159 --> 01:26:30.119 aliens as our saviors. I think that is the great deception, and I 1079 01:26:30.159 --> 01:26:34.159 think that most people are going to accept it. And do you think, 1080 01:26:34.720 --> 01:26:38.479 by the way, it's a great time for me to pitch that. June 1081 01:26:38.720 --> 01:26:42.640 or July twenty fifth a half Gary wayne On, and he is one of 1082 01:26:42.680 --> 01:26:46.760 the subject matter experts on the Genesis sixth conspiracy. Did you buy into the 1083 01:26:47.960 --> 01:26:53.399 bloodline theory that the people who are quote unquote ruling the world are part of 1084 01:26:53.399 --> 01:26:58.000 the Genesis sixth conspiracy. You know, people talk about the flood, and 1085 01:26:58.279 --> 01:27:01.880 I've heard people explain and in various ways how the bloodline continued. Do you 1086 01:27:01.880 --> 01:27:06.319 have any thoughts on that? Yeah, I think I think there's a lot 1087 01:27:06.359 --> 01:27:12.399 of validity to it. Either they themselves believe it. Either it's not true, 1088 01:27:12.439 --> 01:27:15.800 but they believe it because this is where you get the divine right of 1089 01:27:15.920 --> 01:27:23.439 kings, right, because they there there are bloodlines that literally trace their lineage 1090 01:27:23.600 --> 01:27:27.560 back and uh, and I don't know if it. I think it was 1091 01:27:27.600 --> 01:27:31.000 actually Gary Wayne that I heard this from that that these bloodlines, like you 1092 01:27:31.079 --> 01:27:39.359 look at um uh the King of England right now, he traces his bloodline 1093 01:27:39.800 --> 01:27:46.960 back to uh Vladim Paler, the original Dracula, right and if you look 1094 01:27:47.039 --> 01:27:51.359 and and uh, you'll be talking to Gary he would know more this. 1095 01:27:51.560 --> 01:27:58.119 I think that this is where I got it from, that the Dracula actually 1096 01:27:58.119 --> 01:28:04.159 traces his lineage back to a fallen angel. That's interesting and so yeah, 1097 01:28:04.199 --> 01:28:08.800 so I do think that there is validity to at least that's what they believe, 1098 01:28:09.319 --> 01:28:13.880 and more than likely it is actually at least partly true. I mean, 1099 01:28:15.079 --> 01:28:17.119 if indeed that is true, which I believe it is, because it's 1100 01:28:17.119 --> 01:28:25.520 biblical that these fallen angels had offspring with human women and that they had a 1101 01:28:25.560 --> 01:28:30.000 lineage then I don't see any reason why that lineage wouldn't still exist. I 1102 01:28:30.079 --> 01:28:35.479 know that the flood, and there's people say that the flood was purpose to 1103 01:28:36.560 --> 01:28:40.840 wipe that lineage off the face of the earth. But then it says that 1104 01:28:42.239 --> 01:28:46.960 Nimrod began to become a gibberim a mighty man, right, which is the 1105 01:28:47.039 --> 01:28:50.920 same kind of thing that they called the Nephelim, right, the mighty man 1106 01:28:50.960 --> 01:28:58.439 the gibbers. And there are texts in the occult. Whether you want to 1107 01:29:00.680 --> 01:29:06.399 studying the occult is difficult because you know, they ultimately worship Satan and he's 1108 01:29:06.399 --> 01:29:10.720 the father of lies, and so there is a lot of deceptions, so 1109 01:29:10.760 --> 01:29:14.439 there's a lot you have to like, and that's kind of well, yeah, 1110 01:29:14.520 --> 01:29:17.600 whatever. But in occult history, if any of it's to be believed, 1111 01:29:18.279 --> 01:29:25.720 there is there's a lot of talk of Nimrod saying that what he did 1112 01:29:25.880 --> 01:29:32.079 was found some sort of pre flood artifact that had some technology attached to it 1113 01:29:32.119 --> 01:29:38.840 that he was able to utilize to become this gibberine. And I think the 1114 01:29:38.920 --> 01:29:43.840 idea is that maybe he found a way to, I don't know, genetically 1115 01:29:43.880 --> 01:29:49.880 modify himself with angelic DNA. If that makes sense. Yeah. Absolutely. 1116 01:29:49.880 --> 01:29:53.680 And one of the reasons why I kind of brought that up was one of 1117 01:29:53.680 --> 01:29:59.399 our listeners, Hillary from Ireland, had mentioned that the mud flat has been 1118 01:29:59.399 --> 01:30:01.960 a hot topic. In the email from him, I'm trying to find like 1119 01:30:02.039 --> 01:30:05.399 a subject matter expert who can come on and really give us a good kind 1120 01:30:05.439 --> 01:30:11.000 of audio thesis on it. And you know, she took some pictures. 1121 01:30:11.039 --> 01:30:15.039 We see some buildings from back in the day that have like twenty five foot 1122 01:30:15.119 --> 01:30:20.439 doors and the mud flood A lot of the reasons that that. I guess 1123 01:30:20.439 --> 01:30:24.119 that ties more into hollow earth, which I guess is a flat earth with 1124 01:30:24.159 --> 01:30:27.319 an inside and these people ran back. You know, a lot of it's 1125 01:30:27.399 --> 01:30:30.640 conjecture. I try to stick to the biblical type of teachings. But have 1126 01:30:30.800 --> 01:30:34.479 you ever I'll ask you now, have you ever ventured across the mud flood 1127 01:30:34.479 --> 01:30:41.840 theory? I have. It's really interesting. There's a lot of strange stuff 1128 01:30:41.880 --> 01:30:45.800 going on there. Yeah. And some of the theories is the giants. 1129 01:30:46.439 --> 01:30:51.119 That was them chasing being chased back to the center earth. M that's something 1130 01:30:51.359 --> 01:30:56.520 like the Tatarian Empire, I guess is what it was. And you know 1131 01:30:56.600 --> 01:31:00.119 that there is seems to be some resets during our time line. A lot 1132 01:31:00.159 --> 01:31:05.119 of people think that these tie in with the World's fairs, right, there 1133 01:31:05.199 --> 01:31:12.520 was there lots of pictures during that time period with just all these orphans, 1134 01:31:12.640 --> 01:31:16.079 these tiny little children. Where did these kids come from? Yeah, it's 1135 01:31:16.119 --> 01:31:23.119 just astronomical accounts. So again it's there's a lot of interesting theories out there. 1136 01:31:23.159 --> 01:31:25.840 I'm trying to find kind of a subject matter expert, and I know 1137 01:31:25.920 --> 01:31:29.680 people have sent me some names on YouTube. I just need to reach out 1138 01:31:29.680 --> 01:31:31.159 to them and try to get someone on to get an explanation. Then, 1139 01:31:31.600 --> 01:31:34.039 you know, I like to put stuff out there and let the people decide 1140 01:31:34.039 --> 01:31:36.920 for themselves if there's some you know, if it's valid or if it's not. 1141 01:31:39.640 --> 01:31:43.840 I was just last week I listened to a podcast and they had this 1142 01:31:43.880 --> 01:31:47.119 guy on all all research and email you maybe you can like leave it in 1143 01:31:47.199 --> 01:31:51.760 a description or talk about it later. But this guy went in, so 1144 01:31:51.800 --> 01:31:58.159 he went into the mud flood. His idea was because he he digs around 1145 01:31:58.159 --> 01:32:04.279 in ancient archaeology and he uh, he looks at like petrified forests and whatnot, 1146 01:32:04.880 --> 01:32:09.640 and his idea was that there was some kind of like maybe possibly a 1147 01:32:09.640 --> 01:32:17.199 plasma event of some sort like some kind of weapon that caused this this sort 1148 01:32:17.239 --> 01:32:25.640 of mud flood and that petrified trees. And he's talking about um uh yeah, 1149 01:32:25.720 --> 01:32:30.840 like like descriptions of like tropical things up here, you know, like 1150 01:32:30.880 --> 01:32:36.159 tropical environments up here in America. He's talking about in and he goes into 1151 01:32:36.399 --> 01:32:42.000 he gets his information from old newspapers from like the late eighteen hundreds, in 1152 01:32:42.000 --> 01:32:45.760 the early nineteen hundreds, so he goes into like the Egyptian stuff down in 1153 01:32:45.760 --> 01:32:53.880 the Grand Canyon, and there's uh several articles about people that went up into 1154 01:32:53.920 --> 01:32:59.439 Alaska back like in the early nineteen like nineteen twenty I think, and there 1155 01:32:59.479 --> 01:33:04.039 there was say, like they went down into this valley and there was like 1156 01:33:04.239 --> 01:33:09.079 lava, like it was an active volcano, so there was lava under there 1157 01:33:09.560 --> 01:33:14.119 and they were in like a like a huge valley and that lava kept everything 1158 01:33:14.119 --> 01:33:17.119 warm and they found like a tropical environment in the middle of Alaska or something. 1159 01:33:17.199 --> 01:33:24.359 I mean, it's interesting. It's I don't get too deep into the 1160 01:33:24.880 --> 01:33:29.720 mud flood stuff, but it definitely is interesting. There's a lot of a 1161 01:33:29.760 --> 01:33:31.560 lot of stuff that should be explored, that's for sure. Yeah, I 1162 01:33:31.600 --> 01:33:35.520 agree, And the reason I keep open to it is because I mean, 1163 01:33:36.239 --> 01:33:39.960 I can tell you a man to man that we have been lied to about 1164 01:33:39.960 --> 01:33:44.239 our history, recent history. We've been lied to about nine to eleven Oklahoma 1165 01:33:44.279 --> 01:33:46.800 City, desert storm, you know, the Gulf War, Vietnam. So 1166 01:33:46.880 --> 01:33:50.720 why would they not be lying about those type of things and events, right, 1167 01:33:51.439 --> 01:33:56.680 It would be strange that they weren't lying exactly right. That would go 1168 01:33:56.720 --> 01:34:01.319 against the trend, for sure. I got I got um, I got 1169 01:34:01.359 --> 01:34:08.640 buildings downtown and in Omaha, I can go and, uh, there's a 1170 01:34:08.680 --> 01:34:13.199 sidewalk and there's a window, like the top of the window above us. 1171 01:34:13.359 --> 01:34:16.239 What is that about? And then there's pictures. I've seen pictures when they 1172 01:34:16.239 --> 01:34:19.520 were digging out like the main street here in town, this Dodge Street. 1173 01:34:20.039 --> 01:34:24.199 They were like digging it to like move. So I don't know what they 1174 01:34:24.199 --> 01:34:27.119 were doing, but there's pictures, all black and white pictures, and they 1175 01:34:27.159 --> 01:34:30.800 were digging down and there's like more to the building, like there's a whole 1176 01:34:30.880 --> 01:34:36.840 other floor under where the street level is, which is there's something to that. 1177 01:34:36.960 --> 01:34:41.399 And that's all over that's all over the country. Yeah, I've seen 1178 01:34:41.439 --> 01:34:45.199 that as well. I concurred tell us a little bit about under the iceberg 1179 01:34:45.199 --> 01:34:47.239 and where can people find know what it's on your web page? But is 1180 01:34:47.239 --> 01:34:50.560 it also is your podcast on like podcast distributors? Is it out there? 1181 01:34:51.880 --> 01:34:58.079 It is? Uh. I put it out on on pod Bean, and 1182 01:34:58.239 --> 01:35:00.079 I think I'm on a couple of other players. He says. The best 1183 01:35:00.079 --> 01:35:04.239 place to find it is just through the website, and I put a link 1184 01:35:04.319 --> 01:35:11.760 to Podbean, and then I also put a just a downloadable MP three file 1185 01:35:11.880 --> 01:35:15.439 on it. Like I said, I think I have about six episodes out. 1186 01:35:16.640 --> 01:35:21.239 I started just kind of laying out my worldview and where I'm coming from 1187 01:35:21.239 --> 01:35:25.760 and what I believe. And I think from here, I want to start 1188 01:35:26.199 --> 01:35:31.720 maybe doing interviews, maybe pulling people in to do an interview. You know 1189 01:35:31.760 --> 01:35:35.239 some authors that I've read their books, and maybe call them in and talk 1190 01:35:35.279 --> 01:35:39.600 to them about their books. I'd like to do that, And I want 1191 01:35:39.600 --> 01:35:42.800 to start gearing toward more. Now we know what's wrong, what's the solution, 1192 01:35:42.880 --> 01:35:45.319 Like, where do we go from here? That's the million dollar question 1193 01:35:45.479 --> 01:35:48.439 right right, That's the question of the day, is what now do we 1194 01:35:48.520 --> 01:35:51.920 do? Yeah? And I think your point on walking away from the system 1195 01:35:51.960 --> 01:35:56.640 and starting our own is a great point. But the problem is getting that 1196 01:35:56.720 --> 01:36:00.600 message out and getting people to come along for the ride, right well, 1197 01:36:00.600 --> 01:36:03.199 and not getting caught in the middle meaning to yeah, you know, yeah, 1198 01:36:03.600 --> 01:36:06.359 yeah, it's you know, it's this great idea where like you think, 1199 01:36:06.359 --> 01:36:09.800 oh, well, let me just gather a whole bunch of people together 1200 01:36:09.880 --> 01:36:12.119 and we'll just start a little community. Okay, Well, now, how 1201 01:36:12.119 --> 01:36:15.159 many of them are feds or how many of them are gonna try and stop 1202 01:36:15.199 --> 01:36:19.399 here? You know, it's it's uh, it really has to be down 1203 01:36:19.399 --> 01:36:24.079 to the individual and as many people that you can trust to bring in with 1204 01:36:24.119 --> 01:36:28.159 you as you can. I think community is important. I think knowing your 1205 01:36:28.159 --> 01:36:33.920 neighbors is important, and I think just you know, I I think that 1206 01:36:34.039 --> 01:36:39.279 for most people, I think just dropping the seeds with people and letting God 1207 01:36:39.319 --> 01:36:45.800 grow those seeds is important because that does bear fruit either one way or the 1208 01:36:45.840 --> 01:36:53.640 other, and then it's a good way of separating. I'm I don't know. 1209 01:36:53.680 --> 01:36:57.600 I feel like I have more of a calling to kind of talk to 1210 01:36:57.640 --> 01:37:01.079 people that already are awake and kind of just having these conversations like you and 1211 01:37:01.119 --> 01:37:04.039 I are having about well, you know, we know about this, we 1212 01:37:04.079 --> 01:37:10.399 know about that. You know what is what is the next level of this? 1213 01:37:10.520 --> 01:37:14.680 Where do we go from here? I think I think trying to wake 1214 01:37:14.760 --> 01:37:18.600 up people that are asleep, I don't think that I'm equipped for doing that. 1215 01:37:18.720 --> 01:37:24.920 I think there's other people that can. They can try and reach the 1216 01:37:23.840 --> 01:37:27.920 uh, the unaware. I don't have much luck with that. Like I 1217 01:37:27.920 --> 01:37:30.880 said, I'm very blunt, and I just stick it out there and let 1218 01:37:30.920 --> 01:37:33.399 it go where it goes. And sometimes it sometimes it works out, and 1219 01:37:33.479 --> 01:37:36.279 sometimes they just don't want to ever talk to me again, and that's fine. 1220 01:37:38.079 --> 01:37:40.880 But you know, there's also people out there that have different receptors. 1221 01:37:40.920 --> 01:37:45.600 Some people need breadcrumbs, some people need uh like like your kind of delivery, 1222 01:37:45.720 --> 01:37:47.000 just in your face type of This is the way it is. And 1223 01:37:47.079 --> 01:37:51.680 I'm not ashamed of my feelings and uh you know my belief system. So 1224 01:37:53.439 --> 01:37:56.199 and the more folks we get out there spreading the word, the better chance 1225 01:37:56.239 --> 01:38:00.439 we have to fall into someone's algorithm. And we've had so many people over 1226 01:38:00.479 --> 01:38:04.439 the last I guess we've been going for between seven and eight months now who 1227 01:38:04.520 --> 01:38:08.479 have started their own podcast, And I'm sure you're going to get a ton 1228 01:38:08.479 --> 01:38:13.159 of emails and messages and hopefully you all can kind of share each other's platforms 1229 01:38:13.199 --> 01:38:17.520 and become guests on each other's you know shows and grow your audiences and and 1230 01:38:18.000 --> 01:38:21.520 just you know, be a part of this you know, great awakening that 1231 01:38:21.560 --> 01:38:27.159 we are experiencing. Part of it is people like you and all the other 1232 01:38:27.199 --> 01:38:29.760 guests that we've had that have been come, you know, willing to come 1233 01:38:29.760 --> 01:38:34.239 on and share your thoughts and kind of your experience and your life stories. 1234 01:38:34.880 --> 01:38:42.399 And also the evil doers that have overplayed their hands and things like COVID and 1235 01:38:43.319 --> 01:38:45.319 things of that nature where people are like, wait a second, this isn't 1236 01:38:45.399 --> 01:38:50.279 right. And even I can see even some of the normalist of normism, 1237 01:38:50.600 --> 01:38:57.000 you know, kind of have woken up. So with both of those things 1238 01:38:57.079 --> 01:39:00.560 going along, I think that we can make a dent and ring people to 1239 01:39:00.600 --> 01:39:06.239 God. Yeah, I agree. Um, there's there's people that I never 1240 01:39:06.279 --> 01:39:13.239 thought would have anything to do with anything higher level thought past you know, 1241 01:39:13.399 --> 01:39:15.960 who played a football game last week? Or you know, what's the weather 1242 01:39:16.039 --> 01:39:19.439 like or things like that, And and now all of a sudden, with 1243 01:39:20.000 --> 01:39:29.319 with with COVID and this whole um, this whole sodomite agenda, and people 1244 01:39:29.359 --> 01:39:31.920 are starting to look around and say, whoa wait a minute, where'd this 1245 01:39:32.000 --> 01:39:38.119 come from? And now they're asking questions and you know people that people that 1246 01:39:38.319 --> 01:39:41.000 used to like laugh at me when I bring something up, Now they're coming 1247 01:39:41.000 --> 01:39:43.039 to me saying, hey, hey, what do you think about this? 1248 01:39:43.119 --> 01:39:47.640 I heard about this. You should know about this. It's encouraging extremely And 1249 01:39:47.760 --> 01:39:54.159 it's under the Iceberg dot net and the link dot net, and his link 1250 01:39:54.239 --> 01:39:58.159 to his website is in the show description and he's got lots of places on 1251 01:39:58.199 --> 01:40:00.359 there to contact us and leave your name, email, his email, everything 1252 01:40:00.479 --> 01:40:04.520 is there right there on the home page. Don't miss it, jealous, 1253 01:40:04.520 --> 01:40:08.840 been an absolute pleasure chatting with you today. I'd like to give you kind 1254 01:40:08.880 --> 01:40:13.640 of the last word. Sure. Yeah, it's been a great time. 1255 01:40:13.680 --> 01:40:16.479 I've really enjoyed this conversation and thank you for what you're doing. I think 1256 01:40:16.479 --> 01:40:20.239 it's amazing that so many people are interesting. I think you said you had 1257 01:40:20.279 --> 01:40:24.479 like one hundred and fifty downloads on some of your stuff, and I think 1258 01:40:24.520 --> 01:40:29.159 that's just amazing. That's encouraging. Yeah. I would like to tell people 1259 01:40:29.199 --> 01:40:33.199 that when you come to a truth, don't be afraid to just express that 1260 01:40:33.239 --> 01:40:38.199 truth and tell everybody. When I look back at you know, I listened 1261 01:40:38.239 --> 01:40:43.920 to sermons that were written back in the eighteen hundreds and nobody was scared to 1262 01:40:43.960 --> 01:40:46.880 tell the truth. Nobody was scared to come out and just say bluntly exactly 1263 01:40:46.960 --> 01:40:51.600 what's going on. And it just seems like today nobody wants to hurt anybody's 1264 01:40:51.680 --> 01:40:56.960 feelings. Or your truth is just as valid as my truth, and that's 1265 01:40:57.000 --> 01:41:00.439 just a lie. That's not true. There is truth, there is objective 1266 01:41:00.479 --> 01:41:06.399 truth, and this postmodernism is bunk. Just throw it in the trash because 1267 01:41:06.439 --> 01:41:11.760 it's completely worthless. If you find something that is true and it's important, 1268 01:41:13.439 --> 01:41:17.399 share it, and you know, right now you've got you know, friends 1269 01:41:17.399 --> 01:41:23.479 and neighbors, and we have this access to podcasts and anybody can start a 1270 01:41:23.520 --> 01:41:29.319 podcast, anybody can do a video on really not YouTube anymore, but anybody 1271 01:41:29.359 --> 01:41:31.800 can get the word out. And if you think that what you have to 1272 01:41:31.880 --> 01:41:36.680 say is important and valid, get it out there. Or even if you 1273 01:41:36.760 --> 01:41:42.560 just have questions, just you know, make your voice heard and ask those 1274 01:41:42.680 --> 01:41:46.800 questions. There will be people out there that can that can answer or at 1275 01:41:46.880 --> 01:41:51.159 least have something to contribute to the conversation. I think everybody has something to 1276 01:41:51.239 --> 01:41:58.039 contribute, and we've lost that in recent decades. We've been pushed down and 1277 01:41:58.119 --> 01:42:01.840 count out into thinking that you know, live and let live to each his 1278 01:42:01.960 --> 01:42:06.760 own and which basically is a Satanic doctrine to do what thou will, and 1279 01:42:06.800 --> 01:42:09.720 we need to get rid of it. We need to kick it in the 1280 01:42:09.800 --> 01:42:14.039 trash and never look back on it again and just start doing things the way 1281 01:42:14.079 --> 01:42:17.640 that they should be done. And that's pretty much my message. Amen. 1282 01:42:17.960 --> 01:42:21.720 And by the way, thanks for mentioning that I wanted to say. We 1283 01:42:21.800 --> 01:42:27.720 just went over four hundred thousand downloads and we just kicked this thing off November 1284 01:42:27.840 --> 01:42:30.199 thirtieth, so you know, that's proof of the pudding that we are. 1285 01:42:30.840 --> 01:42:34.119 People are kind of waking up and are interested in this topic. And it's 1286 01:42:34.159 --> 01:42:36.760 not thanks to me. It's thanks to all the people who come on here 1287 01:42:38.119 --> 01:42:43.720 and have contributed to this program and have been willing to share this podcast. 1288 01:42:43.800 --> 01:42:46.880 And my thanks to Jail and everyone else who's been a guest on this program. 1289 01:42:47.560 --> 01:42:51.000 Jail again, it's been an absolute pleasure meeting you. And again, 1290 01:42:51.039 --> 01:42:56.119 I hope everybody visits under the Iceberg dot net. It will be in the 1291 01:42:56.119 --> 01:43:00.159 show description, and you know, just God bless everyone, be well and 1292 01:43:00.880 --> 01:43:05.000 keep us in your prayers, and let's keep fighting the good fight and keep 1293 01:43:05.000 --> 01:43:10.239 your head on a swivel and until next time, my friends, we will see you