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And that song we just heard is called the Final Pope and 34 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:35,319 the band is Cho shek. If I'm pronouncing that correctly, we'll ask the 35 00:06:35,399 --> 00:06:40,560 guys, because we have the band on with us via Skype. Hello are 36 00:06:40,639 --> 00:06:45,319 you there? Yeah? Hi, Hey guys. Now who do we have 37 00:06:45,759 --> 00:06:47,319 from the band? Is it? Is it all all of you? Or 38 00:06:47,439 --> 00:06:53,959 is it some of you? Or who's who's here with us? It's just 39 00:06:54,279 --> 00:06:58,000 Jeremy and Jared? All right, Jeremy and Jared. Am I saying the 40 00:06:58,079 --> 00:07:01,160 name correctly? By the way, cho Y, Yes, you got it? 41 00:07:01,439 --> 00:07:05,560 Excellent? Excellent. Yeah. I was telling I was telling Jenny earlier 42 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:11,000 that you know, you sent us a few tracks to play and and I 43 00:07:11,079 --> 00:07:13,720 listened to those really like them. I love that song Final Pope. And 44 00:07:13,759 --> 00:07:19,800 then last night I was actually going through because You've got this album called seven 45 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:23,639 up on band camp and I I listened to the rest of the album. 46 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:26,040 I really really like it. I like what you're doing. You guys have 47 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:30,120 a unique sound. I like the I like the approach to where it's kind 48 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:32,160 of some of the songs, it's kind of minimal in terms of vocals, 49 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:40,519 but a lot of layered, textured guitar work and really cool. Definitely definitely 50 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:42,879 different from you know, a lot of what you hear on, say, 51 00:07:42,959 --> 00:07:46,959 mainstream radio. Uh so, I like what what you guys are doing. 52 00:07:47,759 --> 00:07:53,839 And you guys are from Pittsburgh, correct, yes, okay? And how 53 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:56,279 long is uh how long have you been around? How long has this band 54 00:07:56,600 --> 00:08:03,480 existed? Three years? Yeah, three years and just started finally playing out 55 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:07,959 like the last year or so here Oh okay, okay, now why is 56 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:11,120 that? Why Why did it take a couple of years before you started doing 57 00:08:11,199 --> 00:08:15,040 live shows? Were you just focused on recording and writing or or was there 58 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:20,399 another reason? Well, we had a we had an original lineup and then 59 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:26,000 COVID hit and that kind of through the wrench in the spoke, so to 60 00:08:26,079 --> 00:08:30,839 speak, and after a lineup change and got everybody up to speed. So 61 00:08:31,319 --> 00:08:37,519 okay, Okay, Now do you have other is this? Is this all 62 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:41,320 you've released so far? Is seven? Or do you have other music that 63 00:08:41,399 --> 00:08:43,320 you've put out there? Because it sounds like again, you know, obviously 64 00:08:43,399 --> 00:08:46,840 you were you were at it for a while before you before you started playing 65 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:50,039 out and of course, yeah, the pandemic really screwed things up for everybody 66 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:54,240 for a bit there. But is this all that you've released so far? 67 00:08:54,320 --> 00:09:00,320 Yes, we're in the process of working on a twelve song full album here 68 00:09:00,559 --> 00:09:03,159 oh shortly? Yes, Oh, very good, very good. Uh. 69 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:09,399 Where does the name come from? What does scho shek mean? Shock is 70 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:13,639 Well, it's a Hebrew word. I took it. It's a name of 71 00:09:13,720 --> 00:09:20,759 a character in a whole story I have written out, and uh kind of 72 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:24,440 wanted people to be able to like guess what the story is about and engage 73 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:28,200 with it and kind of give their own spin on it. Yeah, there's 74 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:35,799 a whole like creation mythos and uh it's uh, it's pretty involved. Okay, 75 00:09:37,159 --> 00:09:43,039 Okay, Now is there a story within these tracks from seven or is 76 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:48,480 the story a larger It sounds like the story is a larger, broader, 77 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:54,159 uh long term thing. Yes, there are some songs on seven that incorporated 78 00:09:54,279 --> 00:10:00,600 in Uh, that's I'm trying to think of which one, like Bones of 79 00:10:00,639 --> 00:10:07,960 Witches, the contract mainly the contract. Okay, okay, yeah, that's 80 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:13,480 I really like that one too. We'll we'll play that one too. Yeah, 81 00:10:13,679 --> 00:10:16,600 really good stuff. What is the what is the process like in terms 82 00:10:16,639 --> 00:10:20,559 of writing? Like? Who? Who? Who writes the songs? You 83 00:10:20,639 --> 00:10:22,720 all write together? Is it? Is it? You two guys are because 84 00:10:24,919 --> 00:10:28,639 like I said, what you're doing is is uh kind of unique. So 85 00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:33,519 I'm really interested in the songwriting process. Well, first off, thank you 86 00:10:33,679 --> 00:10:39,080 so much. I really appreciate that's very kind. The song process usually is, 87 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:43,200 uh, it's kind of me and Jeremy both are kind of the main 88 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:48,399 songwriters. What I'll do usually is write two riffs and then hand him off 89 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:50,919 to him and he'll make a skeleton of the song, and then we'll take 90 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:56,159 it to the rest of the band and we'll make tweaks and adjustments and changes 91 00:10:56,320 --> 00:11:01,159 and hammer out the parts and what what we feel sounds good and what we 92 00:11:01,279 --> 00:11:05,120 feel you know, can be omitted or shortened or lengthened or you know whatever 93 00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:09,879 whatever you'd have. Yeah, yeah, is it intentional that, like I 94 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:15,919 said, some of these songs they're very sparse in terms of lyrics and and 95 00:11:16,159 --> 00:11:18,480 you know, not all of them obviously, but some of them. Is 96 00:11:18,799 --> 00:11:22,480 is that something that happens organically when you're putting these songs together or or is 97 00:11:22,559 --> 00:11:26,840 that intentional? You know, do you go into the song saying, you 98 00:11:26,919 --> 00:11:30,279 know, this one, we're gonna leave a lot of space lyrically, just 99 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:33,039 gonna be a couple of lines and then maybe repeats later. Is that is 100 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:35,919 that something you do intentionally or does that just is that just kind of how 101 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:39,759 it turns out. Yeah, it's kind of just how it turns out. 102 00:11:39,960 --> 00:11:45,159 I mean, originally I'd left some I would I would have originally had a 103 00:11:45,399 --> 00:11:48,440 female singer, and uh, like I said, with COVID and everything, 104 00:11:48,519 --> 00:11:54,799 it just kind of through everybody's schedule and life into a mess as you know, 105 00:11:54,039 --> 00:11:58,120 you know that. Yeah, so Carton, some of it was empty 106 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:03,759 for or like female vocals to be there. Now that that's not an issue, 107 00:12:05,279 --> 00:12:07,720 you know, we're not going to be a thing. Well, you 108 00:12:07,799 --> 00:12:11,399 know, I'll fill the space is a little bit better on songs that are 109 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:13,720 coming up. But that was the intension there was. There was supposed to 110 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:20,399 be like a female lines and male lines, but you know, yeah, 111 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:24,080 no, that makes sense. But what I like about what you've done is 112 00:12:24,559 --> 00:12:28,600 with the songs, it's like, because you know they're not instrumentals, you 113 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:31,919 know as you're listening. At least this was my experience, like I said, 114 00:12:31,919 --> 00:12:35,000 because I was I was listening. I listened to the whole thing last 115 00:12:35,080 --> 00:12:39,120 night, and it's like the kind of the anticipation of you know, there's 116 00:12:39,159 --> 00:12:41,519 going to be a vocal at some point, and then once it and then 117 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:45,320 once the vocal happens, you know, if it's one of the songs where 118 00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:48,320 the vocals are very sparse, then once the vocal happens, you're kind of 119 00:12:48,399 --> 00:12:52,559 anticipating or wondering, you know, is there going to be more vocals or 120 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:56,440 is that it? And and there's something about that that, for me as 121 00:12:56,480 --> 00:13:01,320 a listener, just really pulled me in and riagued me because, like I 122 00:13:01,399 --> 00:13:07,000 said, it's it's something that's that's unusual you guys, So you do have 123 00:13:07,039 --> 00:13:13,639 an unusual sound in that respect, is it? Are there other bands in 124 00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:18,120 your area that you kind of team up with in terms of doing shows or 125 00:13:18,399 --> 00:13:20,759 you know, sometimes these partnerships happen very organically, I know from my own 126 00:13:20,799 --> 00:13:26,759 experience, or do you find it's it's a little difficult to really work with 127 00:13:26,879 --> 00:13:31,320 other bands on live shows because what you're doing is unique. I mean, 128 00:13:31,360 --> 00:13:33,919 I would imagine you kind of stand out in the scene, right because what 129 00:13:33,039 --> 00:13:37,720 you're doing is unique. A little bit of both. I'd say, like 130 00:13:37,919 --> 00:13:41,360 we our biggest partner. We haven't played many shows with them, but but 131 00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:46,879 uh, I'm in constant contact with him. Is grim Rock? Yep, 132 00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:50,320 yep. He's a great guy. He's he's helped us out a lot. 133 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:58,200 But dud our unique sound. We we there's not too many bands that you 134 00:13:58,279 --> 00:14:01,320 know, we fit right in with. It's like a glove. But we 135 00:14:01,519 --> 00:14:05,200 can mold to different types of music. So if we wanted to play a 136 00:14:05,279 --> 00:14:07,639 heavier show, we can do that, or if we wanted to go more 137 00:14:07,679 --> 00:14:13,519 alternative, we can do that also. Yeah, grim Rock, That's who 138 00:14:13,639 --> 00:14:16,120 I was asking Jenny this morning and I said, how did how did uh 139 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:20,159 how did this band come to us? And Uh, I suspected it was 140 00:14:20,279 --> 00:14:24,200 it was grim Rock because you guys are from the same area. Yeah, 141 00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:26,440 he's he's been on with us, I think a few times now. He's 142 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:33,000 amazing, absolutely absolutely anytime he sends me a recommendation, it's always us. 143 00:14:33,159 --> 00:14:35,480 Oh yeah, always, and he's got a unique sound too. Really like 144 00:14:35,559 --> 00:14:39,879 what he's doing. Yeah, yeah, Uh, you mentioned he's helped you 145 00:14:39,919 --> 00:14:43,679 a lot. What what is What has he done that has been helpful to 146 00:14:43,720 --> 00:14:48,840 you guys as a band? Well, first, I had a lot of 147 00:14:48,879 --> 00:14:54,080 trouble setting up the Facebook page personally. Yeah, so he got me in 148 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:56,080 the right direction with that. But uh, beyond that, you know, 149 00:14:56,240 --> 00:15:01,919 we just started sharing a lot of different connections and show opportunities. And he 150 00:15:01,480 --> 00:15:07,000 he's he is very good at at marketing himself. So he shared a lot 151 00:15:07,080 --> 00:15:11,639 of his insight with me on how he goes about that. Every day I 152 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:15,799 talk to him almost every day he's sending me something saying, hey, check 153 00:15:15,879 --> 00:15:18,360 this out, or this is why I do this, or and it's it's 154 00:15:18,440 --> 00:15:24,240 been extremely helpful. Yeah, that's that's very cool. Yeah, he's he's 155 00:15:24,279 --> 00:15:26,080 really committed to to what he's doing with the visual of it. He was 156 00:15:26,320 --> 00:15:31,200 telling us the last time he was on with us, he was talking about, 157 00:15:31,519 --> 00:15:35,600 uh, you know, because he's got this whole costume and and face 158 00:15:35,639 --> 00:15:39,200 paint and stuff, and he was talking about, uh, he he doesn't 159 00:15:39,320 --> 00:15:43,799 like to put all of that on at the venue. He he likes to 160 00:15:43,879 --> 00:15:46,440 do that ahead of time. And he was talking about stopping at a convenience 161 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:50,879 store somewhere on his way to his show, and he's he's already all made 162 00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:52,960 up to look like that, and uh, you know, kind of the 163 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:58,600 looks and the interactions that he had or the looks that he gets in traffic. 164 00:15:58,360 --> 00:16:03,360 He's on his way your show looking like that. But you know, 165 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:06,279 you got to admire that that commitment, and I think that's, uh, 166 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:10,039 that's really cool. And uh, yeah, really we really like his music 167 00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:14,519 a lot. We're big fans. We're big fans. So what is what 168 00:16:14,679 --> 00:16:17,840 is your live show like when you play out? Because is I mean, 169 00:16:18,039 --> 00:16:19,879 do you do you just play the songs or is there some sort of theatrics 170 00:16:19,919 --> 00:16:23,440 involved? Because it seems like this music would lend itself to some sort of 171 00:16:23,519 --> 00:16:29,759 theatrics, but but not necessarily. I would love to do that at some 172 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:33,799 point. Yeah, but uh, as of right now, we're just kind 173 00:16:33,879 --> 00:16:38,120 of we're finding ways to A thing that we've decided to do as of recently 174 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:42,080 for live stuff is to kind of kind of cut the you know, the 175 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:47,600 talking to the crowd, the stuff between songs. We're trying to write segues 176 00:16:47,679 --> 00:16:51,279 to tie in one song. So when you're coming for a half hour, 177 00:16:51,399 --> 00:16:53,519 forty five minutes, an hour or whatever, we're just gonna give you that 178 00:16:53,799 --> 00:16:57,960 entire block of time of just music. Yeah, we're going to keep the 179 00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:03,240 audio for for the the entirety of the thing. So that that's one thing 180 00:17:03,319 --> 00:17:07,920 we've been trying to do eventually. Like you said, I'd love to incorporate 181 00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:17,079 like stage antics and even like puppeteering or you know, something along those lines 182 00:17:17,200 --> 00:17:21,759 to kind of like a big like a big rock opera type of stuff. 183 00:17:21,799 --> 00:17:26,440 I think that would be fantastic when the uh, you know, the time's 184 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:29,039 right for that. Yeah, I can I can see that. I can 185 00:17:29,119 --> 00:17:33,039 imagine that for you guys. But I do think it's cool though too that 186 00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:36,759 you're not doing a lot of so it sounds like there's no stage banter or 187 00:17:36,799 --> 00:17:41,200 anything with with the crowd between songs. I I admire that. I've I've 188 00:17:41,279 --> 00:17:45,440 always personally, this is just me, I've always kind of hated it when 189 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:49,279 when between songs. Again, it's one thing if there's some sort of something 190 00:17:49,319 --> 00:17:52,720 that enhances the show, but when it's just like you know, talking to 191 00:17:52,799 --> 00:17:56,039 the crowd or whatever, it's like you know, it's like when you go 192 00:17:56,119 --> 00:17:59,200 to a like if you go to an arena show and you know, the 193 00:17:59,279 --> 00:18:02,319 lead singer asks the crowd, you know, are you all ready to rock 194 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:04,799 or whatever, and it's like, yeah, that's what we're here. Yeah 195 00:18:06,319 --> 00:18:08,640 exactly, It's it's really not you don't have to ask us, we will. 196 00:18:08,920 --> 00:18:15,440 We will gladly rock with you, you know exactly. That's kind of 197 00:18:15,559 --> 00:18:18,160 our Our take on that too, is, uh, you know, you're 198 00:18:19,240 --> 00:18:23,039 you know, money anymore, and you're paying good money to come to these 199 00:18:23,079 --> 00:18:27,160 shows. We want to fill it with you know, entertainment. Yeah, 200 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:32,599 and like you just said, like asking you how you're doing or if you're 201 00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:37,960 ready to rock or you know, I don't, I don't know. I 202 00:18:37,039 --> 00:18:40,960 don't have anything against bands that do that or anything. It's just kind of 203 00:18:41,079 --> 00:18:44,400 the path we want to take. That's all. We've watched several bands, 204 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:52,920 uh, in our opinion really bomb yeah talking. Yeah, so we we 205 00:18:52,079 --> 00:18:55,960 were determined to not get down that route and kind of change it up a 206 00:18:55,960 --> 00:19:00,400 little bit. Yeah. No, that's cool. I really admire that tremendolay. 207 00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:04,119 When you play out, do you play uh, do you play new 208 00:19:04,240 --> 00:19:11,559 material that's not on seven or are you waiting until you're ready to release something 209 00:19:11,640 --> 00:19:17,799 new. Yeah, we we played quite a few. Yeah, excellent, 210 00:19:17,880 --> 00:19:22,680 excellent. Have you guys made any videos, any music videos? That's that's 211 00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:26,960 on the agenda. Yeah, coming up, not not quite yet. Yeah 212 00:19:27,160 --> 00:19:30,799 yeah. And uh, are you playing out a lot? Like what's the 213 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:34,079 what's the scene like where you are in Pittsburgh? I assume you play other 214 00:19:34,559 --> 00:19:37,559 other cities too, uh, in the in the region, but what what 215 00:19:37,799 --> 00:19:45,880 what is the scene like there? It's it's it's pretty vibrant, like there's 216 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:51,119 there's a lot going on any given night. Yeah, we're fortunate that we 217 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:57,039 have a really awesome venue in in our hometown, Greensburg. Ye, just 218 00:19:57,119 --> 00:20:00,759 about every night something's going on. There's not always music related, but uh, 219 00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:07,160 there's there's a lot of bands competing for in a stage space here. 220 00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:11,160 Yeah. Yeah is Greensburg, guys, who was a suburb of Pittsburgh. 221 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:17,279 Yes, okay, okay, cool? Cool? Yeah, And it's good 222 00:20:17,319 --> 00:20:18,559 that you have a vibrant scene and you know, like you said, there's 223 00:20:18,559 --> 00:20:22,119 a lot of bands competing for that space. But but I think it also 224 00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:26,480 probably assume it helps a lot for you guys to be able to stand out. 225 00:20:26,559 --> 00:20:29,799 Like I said, because what you're doing is uh is a bit uh 226 00:20:30,079 --> 00:20:33,880 is a bit unusual. Where do you record? Were these songs that the 227 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:37,880 songs were playing today? Were these all recorded in the same place? Yes? 228 00:20:38,039 --> 00:20:41,319 Is that? Uh? Yeah? Good? Go ahead. I believe, 229 00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:45,960 I believe. I hope he doesn't get mad if he is listening here, 230 00:20:45,519 --> 00:20:49,279 but I believe. It's called Cerebral Audio Productions. Okay. And uh, 231 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:53,480 Shane Oh, I can't think of his last name off my but uh, 232 00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:59,839 he's fantastic. He's in a I think it's Shane Bushmeyer. He's in 233 00:20:59,880 --> 00:21:03,480 a metal band himself, and they're pretty cool. I can't think of the 234 00:21:03,559 --> 00:21:07,640 name off the top of my head right now. But we wanted to find 235 00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:11,400 somebody that had like a little heavier approach to things. Yeah, and he 236 00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:15,519 did a fantastic job. I think on this song. Is he really He 237 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:19,839 listened to everything that we wanted and he delivered on all of it. So 238 00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:26,000 yeah, we did all seven songs with him. I think for this next 239 00:21:26,079 --> 00:21:27,960 album though, I'd kind of like to have him do three songs, have 240 00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:32,839 somebody else do three, so I have like four different people do just to 241 00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:37,839 give like a kind of a uniqueness to all of them. And you know 242 00:21:38,599 --> 00:21:44,240 see how that turns out. Yeah, that's that's interesting because that's not something 243 00:21:44,279 --> 00:21:48,279 I hear from a lot of people, because there's there's I think some artists 244 00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:51,960 kind of have this idea that if you're recording an album, there has to 245 00:21:52,039 --> 00:21:55,839 be this you know, you can only work with one engineer or a producer 246 00:21:56,039 --> 00:21:59,720 because you want because otherwise it's not going to be cohesive or whatnot. But 247 00:21:59,799 --> 00:22:03,599 what you're saying is interesting that you know you want you want kind of different 248 00:22:03,799 --> 00:22:06,559 different textures I guess to the songs, right, is that maybe a way 249 00:22:06,559 --> 00:22:08,480 of putting it where working with different people will give you that. And I 250 00:22:08,559 --> 00:22:12,519 think that's I think that's an interesting approach, And now it makes sense to 251 00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:18,440 me. Well yeah, no, yeah, that's that's just that's just the 252 00:22:18,559 --> 00:22:22,119 thing is, you know, we we have some heavier things, we have 253 00:22:22,839 --> 00:22:29,480 lighter things, We have eclectic stuff like alternative stuff, uh uh, acoustic 254 00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:33,279 song you know, and I'd kind of like to get an engineer with a 255 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:38,240 little more mindset towards those different kind of vibes and and have them really perfect 256 00:22:38,319 --> 00:22:42,839 it and sound sound great. Then I can see, you know, saying 257 00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:47,079 that most albums are done that way. As you know, one producer or 258 00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:51,039 one engineer and you know their assistance and then you go from there. But 259 00:22:51,279 --> 00:22:53,599 as kind of we, as you've said, we we kind of like to 260 00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:57,519 do things a little bit differently and kind of give a different perspective on h 261 00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:02,240 on music because it it's hard nowadays to stand out. I mean there's so 262 00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:07,119 many great acts just everywhere, and uh, if you're up on YouTube or 263 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:11,720 you're up on spot, I mean you're competing with the entire world. Whereas 264 00:23:11,039 --> 00:23:15,400 you know, back back in the day and now it sounds like an old 265 00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:18,880 reveal my age here, but you know, you just had to review, 266 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:23,000 you just had to fight for space on the radio or you know, your 267 00:23:23,039 --> 00:23:27,680 local venue. Whereas now you're you're literally competing with all entertainment that's ever been 268 00:23:27,799 --> 00:23:33,240 and ever you know will be. So it's a tougher thing, but I 269 00:23:33,319 --> 00:23:34,680 think we're up to it. Yeah, no, I agree with you. 270 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:38,079 And yeah, it's it's a double edged sword, I think, because on 271 00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:44,279 one hand, it's it's, uh, it's easier than it's ever been to 272 00:23:44,319 --> 00:23:47,160 put music out there because you don't you don't need a label. You can 273 00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:49,400 do everything all yourself. And uh, you know, God bless the Internet. 274 00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:52,359 You can you can distribute your music to the world. And uh but 275 00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:57,279 like you said, it is the world that you're competing with, and you 276 00:23:57,359 --> 00:24:00,559 know, right, yeah, you're competing with you know, I mean, 277 00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:06,759 God only knows how much new music is being uploaded the Actually there's so much 278 00:24:06,839 --> 00:24:10,359 new music. That we had talked. I think this was more than a 279 00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:14,000 year ago, but I thought it was an interesting news item about Spotify was 280 00:24:14,079 --> 00:24:19,440 actually starting to go through and clear out some some things on their platform that 281 00:24:19,559 --> 00:24:26,400 they thought were maybe not up to snuff sonically, because you know, it, 282 00:24:26,599 --> 00:24:29,920 it gets to a point where there's just too much data, there's too 283 00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:37,799 many files and you've got to draw a line somewhere because I have no idea 284 00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:41,240 how how many songs are on Spotify, but it's got to be in the 285 00:24:41,319 --> 00:24:44,359 millions, I would think, so, you know, at some point, 286 00:24:44,519 --> 00:24:48,960 you know, there's only so much room on these servers. So uh yeah, 287 00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:53,240 yeah, but uh, if not millions billion, I mean billions, 288 00:24:53,279 --> 00:24:59,319 I mean yeah, there is. There's just so much entertainment, so much 289 00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:02,599 art out. It's like you said, it's a double edged sword. It's 290 00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:06,000 a good it's good and bad, right, right, And we live in 291 00:25:06,039 --> 00:25:08,039 a time where you're not just competing with all the other music, you're also 292 00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:14,480 competing with you know, somebody's uh video of adorable kittens that they just put 293 00:25:14,559 --> 00:25:19,119 up on YouTube, and and you know, we can't compete with adorable kitten, 294 00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:23,599 right right, yeah, you know, and and uh and uh you 295 00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:29,000 know all the gaming platforms and everything. So so the technology it uh yeah, 296 00:25:29,079 --> 00:25:33,400 it it opens it up. It's it democratizes the creativity and that anybody 297 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:36,519 can put up anything at any time. But but then it's but yeah, 298 00:25:36,559 --> 00:25:41,519 you've got so much competition. But when you put out seven, did you 299 00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:45,480 put it out all at once? Or because a lot of the especially in 300 00:25:45,519 --> 00:25:48,240 the last couple of years, a lot of the guests that we have on 301 00:25:48,319 --> 00:25:53,799 the show are using a strategy where they put out individual singles and then eventually 302 00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:59,920 those singles become an album or an EP. But it kind of the inverse 303 00:26:00,079 --> 00:26:02,759 of how it used to be, where you know, an artist would put 304 00:26:02,799 --> 00:26:06,400 out one single ahead of the album, but then the album comes out before 305 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:11,640 a second single is even discussed. What has your strategy been, Well, 306 00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:15,319 we put seven out as one complete thing, like I wanted that to kind 307 00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:21,640 of be our debut. Yeah, but but we're probably gonna take that route 308 00:26:21,799 --> 00:26:26,119 just because of the nature nature of things that that kind of is like a 309 00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:30,440 good way to do stuff now is and to keep people coming back. It's 310 00:26:30,559 --> 00:26:34,160 kind of more for like the algorithms and stuff. I guess I was watching 311 00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:38,319 a video on that that's that's what they least. So you're like constantly putting 312 00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:44,079 out something new instead of just putting it all out at one time. Yeah, 313 00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:47,799 yeah, you gotta feed that machine. Yeah, absolutely, you do, 314 00:26:48,519 --> 00:26:52,559 absolutely well. Listen, guys, I really like what you're doing. 315 00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:53,920 We're gonna in a moment, we'll let you go, and I'm gonna play 316 00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:59,920 this track the Contract, because this is my personal favorite out of out of 317 00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:03,480 everything from seven and what you sent us. I really really like this song 318 00:27:03,559 --> 00:27:07,799 a lot. It's got some the dynamics of it. It kind of takes 319 00:27:07,839 --> 00:27:08,839 you on a little bit of a trip, and I just think it's really 320 00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,759 really cool. I love what you guys are doing. I'm looking forward to 321 00:27:11,839 --> 00:27:18,279 hearing new music when it's ready. And what do our listeners need to know 322 00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:22,839 about how to find you online? What should they know so they can keep 323 00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:26,680 up with everything that you're doing and get access to your music and just be 324 00:27:26,799 --> 00:27:30,279 aware of what's going on with cho shek. Well, our our main HOB 325 00:27:30,319 --> 00:27:37,240 would be Facebook, which is Facebook dot com, slashock band. You can 326 00:27:37,279 --> 00:27:41,359 get kind of get all the links to other socials there. Our music right 327 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:45,960 now is on band camp and it's we have it up on SoundCloud. We're 328 00:27:45,039 --> 00:27:51,039 going to be doing Spotify here soon or in all the related platforms of that 329 00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:55,839 nature. But you'll be able to get all that information. Everything runs through 330 00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:59,440 Facebook first. Yeah, yeah, no, it makes sense, makes sense. 331 00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:03,039 Jeremy and Jared, thank you so much for joining us today. This 332 00:28:03,079 --> 00:28:04,880 has been really cool. Like I said, I'm a big fan of what 333 00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:07,400 you're doing. I look forward to hearing new music in the future and I 334 00:28:07,559 --> 00:28:11,559 love this song that we're about to play the contract. But we'll let you 335 00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:15,359 guys go and say hi to grim Rock for us. We love him and 336 00:28:18,559 --> 00:28:22,160 he's amazing. But guys, thank you so much for joining us today on 337 00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:25,640 the show. Really appreciate it. Thank you, Thanks so much for having 338 00:28:25,759 --> 00:28:27,359 us. I really appreciate it. Oh you got it. Thank you all 339 00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:33,359 right, take care all right. 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It is Matt Connorton 397 00:38:59,039 --> 00:39:02,960 Unleashed and we are from the studios of w m n H ninety five point 398 00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:08,280 three FM on Canal Street in Glorious Manchester, New Hampshire, on this Saturday 399 00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:12,320 May four, twenty twenty four. May the fourth be with you. As 400 00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:15,559 Jenny reminded us earlier in the show, Jenny is here as well, of 401 00:39:15,599 --> 00:39:17,920 course at the news table. And yes, yes, I'm sorry, I 402 00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:22,800 didn't mean to cut you off and accounted for I guess, so, yes, 403 00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:29,000 I guess. And thank you again to the band Choschek from Pennsylvania. 404 00:39:29,119 --> 00:39:31,280 Oh good for skyping. And yeah, I really I love that song. 405 00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:36,840 The contract that is that is so absolutely you even know the words already. 406 00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:38,639 I was impressed. Yeah. Yeah, Well they don't load their songs as 407 00:39:38,679 --> 00:39:40,719 we were talking about, they don't load up with a lot of lyrics, 408 00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:45,400 so it's easy to learn them. No, but I really like them a 409 00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:47,199 lot, so we will definitely have them back in the future. And coming 410 00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:51,119 up in the third hour, we have Ray Coats skyping in from the UK, 411 00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:53,360 and we're going to talk about some of his new music and one of 412 00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:57,079 the tracks. It's kind of a special thing. One of the songs I'm 413 00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:00,400 My Voice is included on the track, So looking forward to sharing that with 414 00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:07,400 everybody. By the way, yes, yes, Also by the way, 415 00:40:07,599 --> 00:40:10,599 in the Facebook live chat, we have Peter Cochrane, who's a name I've 416 00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:15,239 never seen in my live chat room during the show, but do you remember 417 00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:20,400 Pete? He he was a longtime roommate of mine, actually in Conqueror. 418 00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:28,480 I brought you to his wedding, yes, which was memorable because Peter had 419 00:40:28,519 --> 00:40:31,519 his own entrance music during his wedding. He came out to Darth. Yes, 420 00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:36,639 we were talking about so it's it's appropriate that he be in the chat 421 00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:42,320 room. Made the fourth because yes he was. He came out to His 422 00:40:42,559 --> 00:40:50,559 entrance music was the Darth Vaders theme that, however, I've ever seen. 423 00:40:50,679 --> 00:40:52,000 Yeah, that was pretty cool. It was awesome. That was very cool. 424 00:40:52,079 --> 00:40:57,000 So that's what Yeah, that was a lot of fun. Yeah, 425 00:40:57,000 --> 00:41:00,320 that was a That was a cool wedding. That was way back. Yes, 426 00:41:00,559 --> 00:41:04,760 yes, yeah, it's been like a decade, not quite but close 427 00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:09,719 yeah yeah close. Yeah. Congratulations to you guys. Uh if you would 428 00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:14,280 like to join us on the program, uh six oh three two five oh 429 00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:16,559 six oh seven. The studio line is open six oh three two five oh 430 00:41:16,599 --> 00:41:20,960 six oh seven. You can also text us at six one seven nine one 431 00:41:21,039 --> 00:41:23,719 seven four four seven six. I'm on social media at Matt Connorton. You 432 00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:27,480 can email me Matt at Matt Coonorton dot com. And of course you can 433 00:41:27,559 --> 00:41:30,599 interact into opine in the Facebook live chat. But the best thing to do 434 00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:32,800 so that we can hear it enjoy your dolcient tones is to give us a 435 00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:37,719 call at six o three two five oh six oh seven. Like I said, 436 00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:38,719 we do have ray coats coming up in the third hour. But I 437 00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:44,800 think we uh were going to uh talk a little bit about now TikTok is 438 00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:49,639 in the news a lot. Now We're not going to uh discuss the uh 439 00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:53,599 political aspects of it, because we don't really do that in this venue any 440 00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:59,800 longer. But TikTok also there is news regarding TikTok in terms of the music 441 00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:02,679 and and in fact, we were talking with Shoshak when they were on Skype 442 00:42:02,679 --> 00:42:06,039 with us. We talked a little bit about, you know, because they 443 00:42:06,079 --> 00:42:09,039 were saying how grim Rock has helped with some of their getting their social media 444 00:42:09,119 --> 00:42:13,559 set up and whatnot, and the importance of that and how artists compete in 445 00:42:13,679 --> 00:42:19,079 this social media world, in the Internet world that we live in, because 446 00:42:19,079 --> 00:42:22,360 we're old enough to remember when there was no Internet, and the music industry 447 00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:24,840 functioned very differently. When you know, an artist, would you know, 448 00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:30,400 one single would go to radio ahead of the album, and then the album 449 00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:32,760 would come out, and only after the album was out would would you get 450 00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:37,679 a second single? And so forth. And the Internet has changed everything and 451 00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:44,320 a big part of that has been TikTok not shortly, not long ago, 452 00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:50,280 they pulled music and everybody said, TikTok's gonna die, yeah because the music 453 00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:53,440 and apparently that all of it but a decent chunk. Well apparently yeah, 454 00:42:53,519 --> 00:43:00,159 And apparently that's been resolved as far as a universal music group. But but 455 00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:05,840 this does play a major, a major role in helping a lot of these 456 00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:09,800 artists TikTok and in terms of you know, because and again this wasn't a 457 00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:15,480 thing pre internet. But sometimes that's where an artist first begins to build a 458 00:43:15,519 --> 00:43:21,639 following, very often is on social media. I think that's how if I 459 00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:24,599 remember correctly, I think That's how Justin Bieber first started to become famous was 460 00:43:24,679 --> 00:43:29,039 on YouTube. There are a lot of artists these days that get to come 461 00:43:29,119 --> 00:43:31,239 up because they're out there where the people can reach them. Right, it's 462 00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:36,800 not beholden to the record companies as so much anymore because it is easier to 463 00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:40,679 release your own and to get that social following. A lot of artists have 464 00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:46,079 work hard to get there and they make nothing nothing on social media. They 465 00:43:46,079 --> 00:43:50,440 don't even get a penny. It's like a percentage of a penny, right, 466 00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:54,199 So it's really hard for artists to make money. Well, Spotify doesn't 467 00:43:54,199 --> 00:43:58,239 pay much money, No, that's for sure. Actually, do any of 468 00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:00,519 them really the artists get what their worth? No, they don't. They 469 00:44:00,559 --> 00:44:07,039 absolutely don't. So in this instance, well, there's an article here from 470 00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:14,199 Music Businessworldwide dot com that says the TikTok era is over. Artists are not 471 00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:20,360 being signed based on one thing going viral anymore. It says here. At 472 00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:23,679 the beginning of this year, Michelle Harrison YouTube I'm Sorry. I ventured out 473 00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:30,360 alone to launch her own management company, MPH Collective, following a twenty year 474 00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:35,760 career that's seen her work with Alanis Morissett, Vampire Weekend and many more. 475 00:44:36,599 --> 00:44:39,679 She founded the company after stops at Monotone, friends at work, and range 476 00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:44,800 media partners. In realizing the desire to do things her own way, MPHS 477 00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:46,119 founded on all right, I'm gonna skip down a little bit here. We 478 00:44:46,159 --> 00:44:49,880 don't need her whole backstory. Well, I mean, we don't have time. 479 00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:53,840 But okay, Harrison knew she wanted to work in music while growing up 480 00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:58,679 in Los Angeles in the nineteen nineties and dating a member of the punk band 481 00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:08,159 Pennywise. Skipping down some more. Okay, oh, you know what, 482 00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:14,519 that's not the right article. Oh were you looking for what I sent you? 483 00:45:15,599 --> 00:45:20,119 Now? This was something else. But let's go with this website is 484 00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:23,079 kind of messed up, this music business website. They've got the uh, 485 00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:31,199 well you know what, let me I'm looking for I've got Pitchfork. Yeah, 486 00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:37,079 we'll go with that. The that they actually have some decent writing, 487 00:45:37,159 --> 00:45:38,800 they really do. Yeah. Yeah, pitchfork dot com. Yeah, that's 488 00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:46,159 another good site for music business news. So Universal Music Group, who has 489 00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:52,880 like a ton of course of the major artists. Yeah, they pulled their 490 00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:57,440 stuff, their artists from TikTok and I remember when this happened. You and 491 00:45:57,519 --> 00:46:00,039 I talking and there were people writing articles out there are saying that this is 492 00:46:00,119 --> 00:46:05,079 it, this is the death of TikTok right because they're gonna they're losing everybody, 493 00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:12,960 including the likes of Taylor Swift Adell, I mean those old Universal's one 494 00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:17,079 of the oldest and largest groups out there, and that created really there was 495 00:46:17,199 --> 00:46:22,119 a battle between them and TikTok. TikTok wants to use their music, doesn't 496 00:46:22,159 --> 00:46:25,400 want to pay so much, Universals saying, now, wait a minute, 497 00:46:27,079 --> 00:46:30,760 we want money. Unfortunately, the bottom line is no matter when this pans 498 00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:34,719 out, and as it has panned out, artists, I believe, no 499 00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:37,039 matter what this this deal is, it's never gonna be enough. It's never 500 00:46:37,079 --> 00:46:42,639 going to be correct for the artists, they make nothing. These companies make 501 00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:45,039 so much money off of their hard work and sweat, which is why it's 502 00:46:45,079 --> 00:46:50,719 so important to produce, to support local music and artists in general. But 503 00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:54,159 these guys really had quite the standoff. And what I thought was kind of 504 00:46:54,199 --> 00:47:04,119 surprising to me is that Universal used TikTok of being of intimidating, of being 505 00:47:04,199 --> 00:47:10,639 intimidating and trying to keep their music and you know, being indifferent to artists, 506 00:47:10,679 --> 00:47:15,760 being paid for their music, just wanting to utilize it and basically bully 507 00:47:15,159 --> 00:47:22,480 Universal and the artists into letting them do as they please and pay pitdlings not 508 00:47:22,599 --> 00:47:29,039 even a penny per song. So honestly, I wasn't I didn't expect this 509 00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:34,480 to happen. Yeah, I really thought that this was going to be a 510 00:47:34,639 --> 00:47:39,880 longer standing issue, and I thought there was the potential for other companies like 511 00:47:40,039 --> 00:47:45,239 Universal to get into that bandwagon and say, wait a minute, we're going 512 00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:50,360 to jump in it with you. But surprisingly we find there has been an 513 00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:54,079 agreement. Yeah, yeah, it says here, and this is from Pitchfork 514 00:47:54,400 --> 00:48:00,360 a Pitchfork the article wearing off on you. So Music Group preaches deal to 515 00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:06,719 return music to TikTok. The licensing agreement ends a months long dispute that stripped 516 00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:09,440 the platform of some of the world's biggest artists. So it says here, 517 00:48:09,519 --> 00:48:14,199 UMG, which is of course Universal Music Group, has reached a licensing agreement 518 00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:19,159 with TikTok that will return its artists of the platform. The deal secures improved 519 00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:25,280 renumeration for UMG artists, as well as new commercial opportunities and protections against generative 520 00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:30,719 AI. According to a joint press release from the companies. The bitter dispute 521 00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:36,239 came to light in January when UMG published in an open letter accusing TikTok of 522 00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:42,599 indifference and intimidation and contract renewal negotiations. The following month, UMG extended the 523 00:48:42,639 --> 00:48:47,679 holdout to its publishing arm, affecting the likes of Taylor Swift, Adele and 524 00:48:49,079 --> 00:48:53,079 The Weekend, though Swift's music returned to the platform last month for undisclosed reasons. 525 00:48:53,199 --> 00:48:58,639 Yeah, that's interesting. The companies are now working expeditiously to return to 526 00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:01,920 music from US and it's publishing arm to the platform. The music will return 527 00:49:04,199 --> 00:49:08,639 and affected videos unmuted in the next one to two weeks, according to a 528 00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:13,119 source close to the situation. Now we should stop there for a moment and 529 00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:19,840 just clarify for people. So the videos unmuted part. So that means so 530 00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:24,960 if you were a content creator making a video on TikTok using any the music 531 00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:30,920 of any artists signed to UMG, your video, TikTok didn't take down your 532 00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:35,719 video, but they muted the audio in the video. The music. Yep, 533 00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:39,480 we know a little bit about that here because we over the years of 534 00:49:39,559 --> 00:49:45,360 course of doing this show and streaming it to Facebook. Yeah, I have. 535 00:49:45,159 --> 00:49:50,239 I am quite used to. I have a I just copy paste from 536 00:49:50,639 --> 00:49:57,199 from a file the verbiage that I use to appeal every time Facebook says either 537 00:49:57,679 --> 00:50:02,239 we've removed your video because of cop writed music or we've muted part of your 538 00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:07,800 video because a copyright holder has that music that used in your video, and 539 00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:12,000 I always appeal those And basically what I say in the appeal is we are 540 00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:15,639 a federally licensed FM radio station. All content is used for the purpose of 541 00:50:15,679 --> 00:50:22,159 a radio show. And I almost always win the appeal nine times out of 542 00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:28,239 ten. Yep, they take away whatever restriction. Facebook takes away whatever restriction 543 00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:32,440 they had placed on the video, So that's not really as big of a 544 00:50:32,519 --> 00:50:35,679 problem as it used to be. There was a time when they would just 545 00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:37,880 remove the videos if they if that came up, but they don't really do 546 00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:42,599 that anymore, hopefully, Yeah, thankfully. Yeah. But so all these 547 00:50:42,679 --> 00:50:45,840 content, so this didn't just affect the artists, It's also affected content creators 548 00:50:46,119 --> 00:50:52,039 great, probably millions of them who had content featuring, you know, including 549 00:50:52,159 --> 00:50:55,440 music from artists on UMG. I think it's interesting that the article points out 550 00:50:55,480 --> 00:51:02,599 that Taylor Swift music got back on TikTok before this agreement was signed. She's 551 00:51:02,639 --> 00:51:07,800 such a powerhouse. Yeah, I mean that's pretty intense, and she's you 552 00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:10,320 know you're not you're putting mind back on there. Yeah, you know, 553 00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:15,920 you're upsetting my people. And yeah, that that happened before they even had 554 00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:21,079 an agreement. I mean, when you look at artists today, she's certainly 555 00:51:21,199 --> 00:51:24,199 one that whether you like her or don't like her doesn't matter. The level 556 00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:30,280 of power that she has in the industry US. Absolutely, he's definitely one 557 00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:32,519 of the top, if not the top breaking artists traveling right now. Oh, 558 00:51:32,559 --> 00:51:36,679 I think she is at the top. Yeah. Yeah. She gave 559 00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:38,760 like all of her staff last year's tour or something, she gave them all 560 00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:43,280 really expensive gifts. She does take care of her people, but yeah, 561 00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:47,679 she's she's got quite the the powerhouse of money coming in. So I can 562 00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:52,960 imagine the influence she had to get her music back on without an existing contract 563 00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:58,639 from Universal. That's that's really kind of takes you back for a moment there. 564 00:51:58,639 --> 00:52:02,760 If you know anything about the those things work, that's impressive, it 565 00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:08,000 says here Lucian Grange, chairman and CEO of UMG said in the press release 566 00:52:08,079 --> 00:52:13,119 quote. This new chapter in our relationship with TikTok focuses on the value of 567 00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:16,800 music and the primacy of human artistry and the welfare of the creative community. 568 00:52:17,119 --> 00:52:21,880 We look forward to collaborating with the team at TikTok to further the interests of 569 00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:27,880 our artists and songwriters and drive innovation in fan engagement while advancing social media monetization. 570 00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:34,360 Unquote, uh TikTok CEO Shao Chow said quote. Music is an integral 571 00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:37,079 part of the TikTok ecosystem, and we are pleased to have found a path 572 00:52:37,199 --> 00:52:42,800 forward with UMG. We are committed to working together to drive value, discovery 573 00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:45,239 and promotion for I'm already bored. I'm not going to read the rest of 574 00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:47,840 that statement anyway. So, but you know, it's it's it's all. 575 00:52:49,119 --> 00:52:52,199 It's just a way of yeah, yeah, it's just a corporatized way of 576 00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:55,239 saying, yeah, we we got everything, they got what they want to 577 00:52:55,360 --> 00:53:00,679 make them happy. Although I'm sure it's it's not even to what it should 578 00:53:00,679 --> 00:53:04,800 be for the artists, because it never is. It never is. Artists 579 00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:07,920 do not make a lot of money at all in the social media realm. 580 00:53:08,119 --> 00:53:12,920 Right, Melanie just said in the chat room. Whoa, whoa, whoa. 581 00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:15,119 Did Jenny just say swift has a lot of followers? Yes, I 582 00:53:15,159 --> 00:53:19,760 believe they're called Swifties. Yes, yes, yes, they are an entity 583 00:53:20,039 --> 00:53:23,599 of themselves. Not to be confused with the swiffer. That's something you used 584 00:53:23,639 --> 00:53:29,440 to clean things on those Oh yes, now, oh what was I gonna 585 00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:31,639 say? Though? You know, one thing though, that people outside the 586 00:53:31,679 --> 00:53:37,480 industry don't necessarily realize is artists have never been paid well, yeah, in 587 00:53:37,599 --> 00:53:45,079 that even under the old music industry, the record business, if you will, 588 00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:51,039 artists generally have only been paid you know, pennies per unit of CDs 589 00:53:51,239 --> 00:53:55,760 sold or before that, albums. Major artists make most of their the way 590 00:53:55,800 --> 00:54:00,519 they become wealthy. Most of it is on touring, licensing of their music, 591 00:54:01,079 --> 00:54:06,559 merchandise sales. But it's never really been I mean, if your if 592 00:54:06,599 --> 00:54:09,480 your music is you know, in terms of licensing and publishing, if your 593 00:54:09,519 --> 00:54:13,480 music is being used in commercials and so forth, that brings in a ton 594 00:54:13,519 --> 00:54:19,400 of money. But as far as actual sales of your music, as far 595 00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:23,159 as actual CD sales, cassette sales, vinyl sales per unit, you know, 596 00:54:23,519 --> 00:54:29,119 you're you're really not making much. I think I remember it's like a 597 00:54:29,239 --> 00:54:30,960 quarter of a percent of a percent of a penny. I think I remember 598 00:54:31,079 --> 00:54:37,000 years ago reading an interview with meat Loaf, of course passed away a few 599 00:54:37,039 --> 00:54:40,039 years ago, but where he had said, you know, bad out of 600 00:54:40,159 --> 00:54:44,800 Hell, the original Bat out of Hell sold, it's sold something like twenty 601 00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:47,559 five million copies over the years. But but that he only gets like a 602 00:54:47,679 --> 00:54:52,320 quarter per unit of that. You know, the money is in touring. 603 00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:55,239 That's that's where you make the big money. So artists have never really been 604 00:54:55,280 --> 00:55:00,360 paid well as far as again in terms of you know, so when we 605 00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:06,840 talk about they don't get much money for these streams on Spotify for example, 606 00:55:06,920 --> 00:55:10,599 Yeah, it is horrible. It's it's so robbery. But but they've never 607 00:55:10,639 --> 00:55:16,159 been paid well to begin with, unfortunately. So what I'm looking at here, 608 00:55:16,280 --> 00:55:22,840 says a creator fund reports show that musicians on TikTok make between two to 609 00:55:23,039 --> 00:55:30,920 four cents per one thousand views. Yeah, sounds about right. Sense per 610 00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:36,679 a thousand that sounds about right on TikTok yeah, wow, yep wow. 611 00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:43,679 And just in general streaming services on average about six cents per one hundred streams. 612 00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:47,280 Yeah, so you can how much money how many plays do you need 613 00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:52,719 to buy a loaf of bread? Yeah, let's see. Geez, how 614 00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:54,320 many plays would it take to get one gallon of gas out of that? 615 00:55:57,320 --> 00:56:01,960 So yeah, musicians do not make money, especially from when a service is 616 00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:06,000 involved, because they take a ton of money before it ever gets to the 617 00:56:06,119 --> 00:56:08,519 artists. Yep. Whenever you can buy something directly from an artist, absolutely 618 00:56:08,599 --> 00:56:13,360 do it. If you download the song from their website, then do that. 619 00:56:14,599 --> 00:56:19,679 Your money is actually getting into that artist's pocket instead of going to these 620 00:56:19,880 --> 00:56:24,000 giants like TikTok who take whatever money they make off of it and occasionally throw 621 00:56:24,079 --> 00:56:30,119 out a few crumbs to artists. Because that's one thing that has not been 622 00:56:30,199 --> 00:56:32,559 favorable. Social media has given us a whole new world to see new artists 623 00:56:32,599 --> 00:56:38,199 and be around new people, but it has not translated into real dollars for 624 00:56:38,639 --> 00:56:45,559 the artists themselves. Right right, absolutely, well are we are already approaching 625 00:56:45,599 --> 00:56:46,079 the top of the hour. So what we're going to do is we had 626 00:56:46,119 --> 00:56:51,639 to get in one more ad break and then we're going to play one of 627 00:56:51,719 --> 00:56:59,079 these songs from Ray Coats and then he's going to join us via Skype all 628 00:56:59,079 --> 00:57:00,639 the way from the UK, and we're going to talk about the soundtrack, 629 00:57:01,159 --> 00:57:07,280 and we'll talk about everything with Ray and really looking forward to that, and 630 00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:12,920 we will of course play for everyone the song Horsepower. We're gonna play that 631 00:57:13,039 --> 00:57:15,840 later, but we're gonna play that. 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