WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.240 --> 00:00:05.519 Hi, and welcome back to the nonprofit step right up to this political circus. 2 00:00:05.559 --> 00:00:11.080 In one corner, Ohio GOP candidate Bernie Marina claims an abortion right ballot 3 00:00:11.119 --> 00:00:16.800 measure is a k waste gateway, predicting rapist turned abortionists Booti's fat when you've 4 00:00:16.839 --> 00:00:22.600 got wild speculation. Meanwhile, legal experts are rolling their eyes so hard they 5 00:00:22.679 --> 00:00:28.719 might need surgery themselves. Marina's fictional narrove skills make this a laugh riot issue 6 00:00:28.719 --> 00:00:34.000 One protects abortion rights, giving Ohian's control over their bodies, a win for 7 00:00:34.079 --> 00:00:39.119 common sense, but a loss for Marina's imagination everybody, and that's where the 8 00:00:39.159 --> 00:00:44.479 fiction crashes into politics and a head on collision. This story is from ABC 9 00:00:44.640 --> 00:00:49.960 News by Adam Adelman and The New York Times and was published of every second 10 00:00:50.079 --> 00:00:53.439 of twenty twenty three. So I'm going to say that I will take some 11 00:00:53.560 --> 00:00:59.119 small victories everybody. I was really gonna sere what was going on with the 12 00:00:59.159 --> 00:01:04.159 abortion right issue, but it has been pulled that over seventy percent of America 13 00:01:04.239 --> 00:01:11.799 voters want to keep abortion right. So and finally there's actual pushback against this. 14 00:01:11.000 --> 00:01:19.599 Despite Marino's stinky little it tends to get this particular legislation through But we're 15 00:01:19.640 --> 00:01:23.560 going to talk more about that in a minute. But now let's take it 16 00:01:23.599 --> 00:01:27.200 over to Scott so he can give his opinions on this particular story. So 17 00:01:27.400 --> 00:01:32.359 I want to hear you sure, sure, Yeah. First of all, 18 00:01:32.400 --> 00:01:34.959 I think, like you were saying, you know, we can consider this 19 00:01:36.000 --> 00:01:40.840 a victory for human rights, and so I think that's awesome. I think 20 00:01:40.840 --> 00:01:44.359 that's great. If you had asked me a year ago how this was going 21 00:01:44.439 --> 00:01:46.959 to go, I might have thought it might go the other way. Although 22 00:01:47.040 --> 00:01:49.400 the months leading up to the to the election, we were getting pretty clear 23 00:01:49.480 --> 00:01:53.560 signals that things were gonna going to swing this way. But it's it's kind 24 00:01:53.560 --> 00:02:00.239 of surprising because Ohio has been traditionally a red state, and so I I 25 00:02:00.280 --> 00:02:06.480 think what we might be seeing here is just another symptom of the system being 26 00:02:07.719 --> 00:02:13.879 worked against the views and the opinions and the preferences of the voters. You're 27 00:02:13.919 --> 00:02:19.919 saying, Helena, over seventy percent of the of Ohio Ohioans was THATAII ohioing 28 00:02:20.919 --> 00:02:30.680 Ohioites. Ohioans were in favor for this change to their state constitution. And 29 00:02:30.000 --> 00:02:35.560 but even though the state has been leaning red in elections, and so forth, 30 00:02:35.599 --> 00:02:37.960 and so, you know, we we see a lot of a lot 31 00:02:37.960 --> 00:02:40.879 of things going on, things like germandering, manipulation of the rules of Congress 32 00:02:40.879 --> 00:02:49.960 and the Senate. We've seen sitting senators refusing to consider presidential nominations for the 33 00:02:50.000 --> 00:02:53.599 Supreme Court, and you know, just we've seen many many ways of the 34 00:02:53.680 --> 00:02:57.680 system being manipulated, you know, kind of like it's it's a power grab 35 00:02:57.879 --> 00:03:01.960 basically, and so it's it's it's almost like the the will of the voters 36 00:03:02.479 --> 00:03:07.240 is becoming irrelevant, and that's kind of disturbing. Infidel, What are your 37 00:03:07.240 --> 00:03:12.039 thoughts on that. One of the things you mentioned that the majority and this 38 00:03:12.159 --> 00:03:15.479 being a middle of the road state, that's not being some state that is, 39 00:03:15.639 --> 00:03:20.080 you know what they want to call left this even though there's really no 40 00:03:20.240 --> 00:03:23.919 such thing as that here in the United States. But I really think that 41 00:03:23.000 --> 00:03:29.520 they they've caught the dogs, caught the car. They never expected to win 42 00:03:29.599 --> 00:03:31.639 on this issue. This was an issue to get people out to vote, 43 00:03:31.680 --> 00:03:35.520 and it was the boogeyman. It was something else just to get people to 44 00:03:35.599 --> 00:03:40.280 keep voting time and time again. And now that we see their unrealistic perspective 45 00:03:40.520 --> 00:03:46.520 on what it means to be and in a post row versus wage society. 46 00:03:46.840 --> 00:03:51.080 No one everyone realizes we don't want that. That's not a popular position. 47 00:03:51.159 --> 00:03:54.520 It's not a position that anyone wants. And Middle America quite literally is saying 48 00:03:54.599 --> 00:04:00.759 no. What I found astounding is that there are four people and their legislature 49 00:04:00.840 --> 00:04:04.719 right now who are trying to say that there's been foreign election interference. I 50 00:04:04.719 --> 00:04:08.639 mean, we've heard this before. It can't they at least come up with 51 00:04:08.800 --> 00:04:13.680 a new lie coming out with foreign election interference on the abortion issue in Ohio. 52 00:04:14.199 --> 00:04:15.680 I mean, that's such a complete stretch. I don't even know what 53 00:04:15.800 --> 00:04:19.879 to say. They want to take away judiciary power and they want to return 54 00:04:19.959 --> 00:04:25.920 that to the legislature to make those determinations on how this actual amendment is applied 55 00:04:26.120 --> 00:04:29.000 because they're trying to keep it away from what they are afraid is going to 56 00:04:29.040 --> 00:04:32.639 be those extremist judges who are well not going to see things the way they 57 00:04:32.680 --> 00:04:36.519 do. One of the things that really gets me about this is how the 58 00:04:36.560 --> 00:04:41.480 other side has tried to portray this is something that's not. It says this 59 00:04:41.560 --> 00:04:46.959 bill was something that was going to allow a rapist to force their victims to 60 00:04:46.199 --> 00:04:54.160 have abortions and that is just a lie tailor made for people who value pregnancy 61 00:04:54.360 --> 00:04:58.439 even in a case of rape. It's amazing that they would expect anybody to 62 00:04:58.519 --> 00:05:01.279 believe that. You know, it is you know, and I know that 63 00:05:01.839 --> 00:05:05.120 it seems like they want to get this abortion albatross from around their neck, 64 00:05:05.519 --> 00:05:10.079 as they really realize, and they don't want what they've got, But they're 65 00:05:10.120 --> 00:05:14.279 trying to prey on the very people who can trust them and consider them their 66 00:05:14.319 --> 00:05:18.519 constituents, trying to prey on hope, the beliefs and concerns of evangelical women, 67 00:05:18.759 --> 00:05:23.079 hoping they could be swayed by an emotional appeal. I mean, has 68 00:05:23.199 --> 00:05:28.519 passed in spite of these types of statements, but it is just absolutely astounding 69 00:05:28.600 --> 00:05:32.360 to me that they think that this can pass for law and just completely subvert 70 00:05:32.439 --> 00:05:35.800 the will of the people. And as I said, these aren't extremists. 71 00:05:35.839 --> 00:05:42.720 These are middle American Republican leading voters who would traditionally be on the other side 72 00:05:42.720 --> 00:05:45.800 of the issue, who realize, no, this is crazy. You guys 73 00:05:45.800 --> 00:05:48.879 need to step back from this and let's get realistic about the abortion issue, 74 00:05:48.920 --> 00:05:53.399 because there's something in the middle that everyone can live with, not what I 75 00:05:53.439 --> 00:05:57.319 think is the perfect right solution, but something we can all live with and 76 00:05:57.360 --> 00:06:00.959 with that in mind, behavior like this guy Ernie Morenos, there's just these 77 00:06:01.279 --> 00:06:06.720 outright lies to prey on people who would feel they would be endangered by their 78 00:06:06.839 --> 00:06:11.839 rapist is just the lowest of the low. In my opinion, I'm just 79 00:06:11.879 --> 00:06:15.959 glad people didn't listen and heed his lies. Now, Blayton, I think 80 00:06:16.040 --> 00:06:20.079 I've rambled on enough. Where are you coming from on this? Uh? 81 00:06:20.560 --> 00:06:25.399 Where I'm coming from is seeing two things in the same sentence that I never 82 00:06:25.439 --> 00:06:30.079 thought I would say, and it's Ohio and pleasantly surprised. But here we 83 00:06:30.160 --> 00:06:35.800 are. It just goes to like further prove that somebody broke the timeline in 84 00:06:35.800 --> 00:06:40.279 twenty fifteen, because everything since then it's just been knucking futs. And in 85 00:06:40.360 --> 00:06:44.639 the latest episode of am I in a Coma, Ohio voters really voted to 86 00:06:44.680 --> 00:06:46.279 protect the rights of humans to be able to decide what to do with their 87 00:06:46.319 --> 00:06:49.959 own damd bodies. Never thought I would see that in my wildest rad But 88 00:06:50.199 --> 00:06:53.920 that's the good news. Of course, where there is good news, there's 89 00:06:53.959 --> 00:06:57.240 always a group of crazy people that are ready to stump all over the good 90 00:06:57.279 --> 00:07:02.120 news because almost immediately following the voters voicing their opinion and speaking with their votes, 91 00:07:02.240 --> 00:07:08.399 the civil servants who represent the voters said no, and they began attempting 92 00:07:08.399 --> 00:07:11.920 to use the course to block those rights immediately. And these are rights that 93 00:07:12.000 --> 00:07:15.800 were overwhelmingly supported in that state. And it just goes to show with most 94 00:07:15.800 --> 00:07:18.480 of us, I would hope by now have already figured out, especially in 95 00:07:18.519 --> 00:07:24.120 recent weeks, that these representatives they take being the voice of the people of 96 00:07:24.160 --> 00:07:28.800 their community very seriously as long as those people completely agree with them. Otherwise 97 00:07:28.839 --> 00:07:31.319 you can go to hell. I'll kick it. Literally, it's crazy. 98 00:07:32.040 --> 00:07:38.360 So were any of you surprised that a politician that probably has like a pinky's 99 00:07:38.360 --> 00:07:44.319 worth of medical knowledge wanted to push this agenda through to you know, score 100 00:07:44.439 --> 00:07:47.120 some political points with his base, Like, I'm not surprised that's happening. 101 00:07:47.600 --> 00:07:58.360 Surprise, No, no, no, And I do kind of want to 102 00:07:58.399 --> 00:08:03.600 remind people that when you when you're a victim of sexual assault, it stays 103 00:08:03.639 --> 00:08:09.720 with you years after and and forcing people that identify as women to be having 104 00:08:09.920 --> 00:08:16.639 to give birth to their attackers child is just additional and trauma, and not 105 00:08:16.680 --> 00:08:18.920 only to the mother, but the type of environment that child is going to 106 00:08:18.959 --> 00:08:24.079 be raised in So this is this is going to have long impacts if this 107 00:08:24.160 --> 00:08:26.519 had gotten through. And I'm glad that the Ohians were like, no, 108 00:08:26.600 --> 00:08:30.399 fuck that ship, We're not doing that. And I think that's great, 109 00:08:30.560 --> 00:08:33.320 But I'm you know, I'm kind of want to care from you guys, 110 00:08:33.360 --> 00:08:37.879 like, you know, do you think that these type of politicians who want 111 00:08:37.919 --> 00:08:41.960 to push these agendas are going too far? And is it going to hint 112 00:08:41.080 --> 00:08:46.120 Like we're noticing that, you know, they're not getting the legislation passed, 113 00:08:46.159 --> 00:08:48.919 but do you think this is going to end up hindering him in the long 114 00:08:48.000 --> 00:08:50.399 run? So I really want to get your I know I had a couple 115 00:08:50.440 --> 00:08:52.320 more things to say, Scott, but I would like to get your opinion 116 00:08:52.399 --> 00:08:56.240 on that. Yeah, could you repeat the question? So do we think 117 00:08:56.240 --> 00:09:00.159 that they're going too far? Is that what you're saying? Are we talking 118 00:09:00.159 --> 00:09:03.759 about the Republicans or are we talking about the voters here? The politicians? 119 00:09:03.799 --> 00:09:07.039 Like yeah, are they going too far with their certain agendas? And is 120 00:09:07.080 --> 00:09:11.200 it going to hurt them in the long run? Oh? I see, 121 00:09:11.240 --> 00:09:15.919 Okay, Well, it seems that there is kind of a disconnect here, 122 00:09:16.000 --> 00:09:20.240 kind of some some kind either it's intentional or maybe it's just you know, 123 00:09:20.320 --> 00:09:24.240 kind of a naivete or maybe it's ignorance or some who knows what, but 124 00:09:24.240 --> 00:09:28.080 there's some kind of disconnect happening here. This is something that came up multiple 125 00:09:28.080 --> 00:09:31.919 times in this article, this quote here. Republicans have been searching in vain 126 00:09:33.120 --> 00:09:37.720 for a successful message on abortion ever since the Supreme Court's decision, So that 127 00:09:37.840 --> 00:09:39.879 that's what they're worried about. How can we, how can we how can 128 00:09:39.919 --> 00:09:43.759 we phrase this? How can we how can we say this to make it 129 00:09:43.799 --> 00:09:46.639 more palatable? And it reminded me of there was a movie that came out 130 00:09:46.639 --> 00:09:50.279 in nineteen eighty four, Revenge of the Nerds, and we all know that 131 00:09:50.320 --> 00:09:52.720 there were many problematic scenes in that movie. But in one of those scenes, 132 00:09:54.240 --> 00:09:58.399 all of the main characters were looking for dates for their for their frat 133 00:09:58.440 --> 00:10:01.720 party that they were throwing, and one of the characters named Booger, he 134 00:10:01.840 --> 00:10:05.200 says, I've been out cruising the high schools all week, right, And 135 00:10:05.240 --> 00:10:07.879 so they did that as it kind of they intended it to be a joke, 136 00:10:07.919 --> 00:10:11.000 and you know, they try to spin it like, oh, Booger 137 00:10:11.120 --> 00:10:13.960 just can't find love, you know what a nerd and also kind of saying, 138 00:10:15.000 --> 00:10:18.639 well, booger's kind of creepy also, But the real problem was actually 139 00:10:18.720 --> 00:10:22.320 way worse than that Booger was looking for a miner to take to his college 140 00:10:22.320 --> 00:10:26.840 party. Okay, he was just and it wasn't that he just couldn't find 141 00:10:26.840 --> 00:10:30.919 the right miner's. It wasn't that he couldn't He was just having trouble if 142 00:10:30.919 --> 00:10:33.919 only he could find the right child to bring to his college party. No, 143 00:10:35.200 --> 00:10:39.480 sorry, booger, there is no positive outcome here. That's the same 144 00:10:39.559 --> 00:10:43.159 thing that the Republicans are doing here. It's not that they're just having trouble 145 00:10:43.240 --> 00:10:48.320 finding a way to phrase their their wish to suppress the rights of women or 146 00:10:48.399 --> 00:10:52.399 you know, in their bodily autonomy and any pregnant people. Right. And 147 00:10:52.440 --> 00:10:58.000 so it's not just a matter of finding the right right way of doing it. 148 00:10:58.000 --> 00:11:01.840 It's that there's no possible there's no winning outcome here. You have a 149 00:11:01.840 --> 00:11:05.879 horrible position. It's not a question of pr spin, it's not a question 150 00:11:05.960 --> 00:11:09.720 of just getting it into the right phrasing. It's a please respect your fellow 151 00:11:09.759 --> 00:11:11.480 human beings issue. So, I mean, I would say to them, 152 00:11:11.720 --> 00:11:15.840 don't be a booger. That's what I had to say in Fidel, what 153 00:11:15.840 --> 00:11:20.240 about you quote Scott, I agree, don't be a booger. Don't be 154 00:11:20.279 --> 00:11:24.320 a booger. Don't be a booger. I don't think that as a whole 155 00:11:24.440 --> 00:11:28.600 they ever anticipated or wanted to win on this issue. I think they wanted 156 00:11:28.639 --> 00:11:35.639 to run in perpetuity against the evils of you know that woman who you know 157 00:11:35.120 --> 00:11:39.399 has an abortion on a whim for the fun of it, like you know, 158 00:11:39.639 --> 00:11:43.559 ice cream flavors and last minute abortion the last week before their due date. 159 00:11:45.039 --> 00:11:50.279 Just this completely dishonest level of raising money and getting people with charged up 160 00:11:50.279 --> 00:11:52.679 to go out and vote, and nothing ever happened. And that's they were 161 00:11:52.720 --> 00:11:58.000 perfectly fine with that. Their problem now is they got what they said they 162 00:11:58.120 --> 00:12:01.440 wanted, and the adults that have to try to figure this out realize, 163 00:12:01.639 --> 00:12:07.240 oh shit, this suck. Nobody wanted this, we didn't want this. 164 00:12:07.519 --> 00:12:09.320 What are we going to do? Now, let's try to make it sound 165 00:12:09.360 --> 00:12:13.960 better because it's trash they know it. And the problem is you have a 166 00:12:15.000 --> 00:12:20.200 few people like this, one particular guy you mentioned forcing a woman to not 167 00:12:20.320 --> 00:12:24.759 have an abortion, but just as cruelly to tell people they're forcing you to 168 00:12:26.000 --> 00:12:30.039 have an abortion. That bodily autonomy works both ways, and there are people 169 00:12:30.039 --> 00:12:33.200 who are products of rape and who choose to have that child, and that's 170 00:12:33.240 --> 00:12:37.840 a choice that they should have just as strongly. And for this guy to 171 00:12:37.879 --> 00:12:43.440 come around and say your rapist is going to have control over your body again, 172 00:12:43.600 --> 00:12:46.480 it's such a terrible lie. But it's just another example of how they 173 00:12:46.480 --> 00:12:50.960 can't get their act together on what they want to say about an abortion because 174 00:12:50.120 --> 00:12:56.120 they know that they backed the dog and unfortunately it's sitting right in their lap 175 00:12:56.279 --> 00:12:58.399 and now they're trying to figure out how to make it sound better. And 176 00:12:58.480 --> 00:13:01.559 the truth is they're going to have to be an adult at some point and 177 00:13:01.600 --> 00:13:05.919 say, if we want to win elections, we're going to have to let 178 00:13:05.919 --> 00:13:09.399 this issue go because the American people are not going to be duped. Especially 179 00:13:09.399 --> 00:13:13.360 we had a story a while back about a thirteen year old rape victim in 180 00:13:13.360 --> 00:13:18.480 Mississippi who was forced to give birth to a child because of these laws. 181 00:13:18.639 --> 00:13:22.919 And when you start talking about things like this, if that doesn't make you 182 00:13:24.080 --> 00:13:28.399 piss the fuck off, there's something wrong with you. So to me, 183 00:13:28.879 --> 00:13:31.639 all these people in their view on this issue, wake up, see what's 184 00:13:31.679 --> 00:13:35.240 going on. Stand strong, because yeah, the people in Ohio. Their 185 00:13:35.320 --> 00:13:39.799 voices are trying to be overridden by the people that they voted for who are 186 00:13:39.840 --> 00:13:45.159 supposed to represent them. And so we need people who are going to represent 187 00:13:45.240 --> 00:13:50.159 us and not circumvent the law, because the law is, the judicial system 188 00:13:50.240 --> 00:13:52.480 is the checks and balances on all this. So they should ultimately make that 189 00:13:52.639 --> 00:13:56.639 choice just as the law states. That's all do your job, and this 190 00:13:56.799 --> 00:14:01.320 time the job that the most important that politicians of all stripes need to do 191 00:14:01.600 --> 00:14:05.720 is listen to the people. They've spoken time and again. Just listen to 192 00:14:05.759 --> 00:14:09.440 the people. Layton, what you got now? You pretty much said everything 193 00:14:09.480 --> 00:14:13.159 that I was thinking. But I feel like not only did they not think 194 00:14:13.159 --> 00:14:16.440 they were going to win on this issue, I think that they don't want 195 00:14:16.480 --> 00:14:20.519 to win this battle at all. I feel like most of these people, 196 00:14:20.960 --> 00:14:24.759 if any of them, aren't really believers in all of this stuff. They 197 00:14:24.799 --> 00:14:28.279 want to be celebrities. Like I think back to like high school, I 198 00:14:28.360 --> 00:14:33.080 wasn't as proactive or involved in politics, so I didn't know a lot of 199 00:14:33.120 --> 00:14:39.039 politicians. I know so many politicians. Now I know the names and faces 200 00:14:39.080 --> 00:14:43.000 of so many politicians, and I feel like that's not just a social media 201 00:14:43.039 --> 00:14:46.480 phenomenon. I think that's that these people are literally getting into this to not 202 00:14:46.519 --> 00:14:50.440 be civil servants, but to become celebrities. That's why their Twitter is more 203 00:14:50.480 --> 00:14:56.600 important than anything they do on the House floor. That's why they have podcasts, 204 00:14:56.840 --> 00:14:58.840 like you know what I mean, Like it's a game for some of 205 00:14:58.840 --> 00:15:03.080 the these people. And I don't feel like winning is the goal. I 206 00:15:03.120 --> 00:15:07.039 feel like creating more buzz is more. They want to go viral, That's 207 00:15:07.039 --> 00:15:09.360 what that's That's what I'm trying to get it. It's a lot of people 208 00:15:09.440 --> 00:15:11.480 trying to go viral, and this is a hot button topic, so they 209 00:15:11.559 --> 00:15:16.120 just keep pressing. And that's that's where I'm coming from. And like I 210 00:15:16.159 --> 00:15:20.559 am grateful that the voter base is now are like, oh oh oh no, 211 00:15:20.559 --> 00:15:24.279 now we have to go vote, and people that probably weren't considering voting, 212 00:15:24.440 --> 00:15:28.600 and they especially people that are like kind of blase about their politics. 213 00:15:28.600 --> 00:15:31.600 Certain issues will get people to polls, and one of them is hodifying your 214 00:15:31.679 --> 00:15:37.240 right and because you can have an emotional feeling about, you know, a 215 00:15:37.240 --> 00:15:43.159 certain issue, but if you have enough human sympathy and that you realize that 216 00:15:43.279 --> 00:15:48.759 your view isn't the best view for everybody. You're going to go out and 217 00:15:48.840 --> 00:15:50.240 vote and you're going to be like, you know what, I won't do 218 00:15:50.360 --> 00:15:54.120 this, but that's my decision, and you're going to vote for the people 219 00:15:54.200 --> 00:15:58.840 that have to make decisions based on what's going on in their lives. So 220 00:15:58.200 --> 00:16:03.840 I'm very hopeful. It is the best word that. You know. The 221 00:16:03.919 --> 00:16:07.159 right wing kind of shut themselves in the foot with this, and there's no 222 00:16:07.600 --> 00:16:11.000 happy way to spin this. You can't say like we're taking away your rights 223 00:16:11.039 --> 00:16:15.519 and that's a good thing. There's no way to spin that. It's disgusting 224 00:16:15.600 --> 00:16:19.200 because like, this is a human rights issue. This is not a political 225 00:16:19.240 --> 00:16:23.519 party issue. It is a human right issue. And guess what, we're 226 00:16:23.559 --> 00:16:27.279 all humans, everybody, and we should be able to make our own decisions 227 00:16:27.279 --> 00:16:30.200 based one is good for our lives. You know, no matter what side 228 00:16:30.200 --> 00:16:33.279 of the aisle you're on or you're not in an aisle, I don't care. 229 00:16:33.480 --> 00:16:38.039 I just care that everybody should be able to make decisions with their reason 230 00:16:38.039 --> 00:16:45.559 in mind and not have some dickhead politician that has no medical knowledge making decisions 231 00:16:45.600 --> 00:16:48.960 for you. So on that note, before we go, Before we go, 232 00:16:49.039 --> 00:16:52.799 I just wanted to say, like, you have your last stand spot 233 00:16:55.480 --> 00:17:00.559 if this is in fact just a bid to get clicks and to get fame, 234 00:17:00.960 --> 00:17:04.880 or if it's just a device used to uh to rile up their voters, 235 00:17:04.960 --> 00:17:08.759 that makes it way worse. Right, they're playing like like we were 236 00:17:08.799 --> 00:17:12.039 all saying, they're playing with human rights here, they're playing with the rights 237 00:17:12.039 --> 00:17:17.240 of human beings to and and just as if it was just a pawn in 238 00:17:17.319 --> 00:17:19.480 a game, just a checker to be cast aside. You know, it 239 00:17:19.559 --> 00:17:25.920 serves its part pawn sacrifice, a queen sacrifice, a pregnant person sacrifice, 240 00:17:25.920 --> 00:17:30.720 whatever it's. That makes it just way way worse. And I don't know, 241 00:17:30.839 --> 00:17:34.359 I I I infandel you mentioned that you know there there has to be 242 00:17:34.400 --> 00:17:37.839 a point where they just give up on this, do you. I'm not 243 00:17:37.880 --> 00:17:41.079 sure if I ever see that happening. It's they would have to. I 244 00:17:41.119 --> 00:17:45.519 mean, if the if their identity is kind of their whole starting point for 245 00:17:45.640 --> 00:17:49.319 any discussion or any argument, I mean, that seems like it would be 246 00:17:49.319 --> 00:17:55.799 a fundamental change in in their identity. They they've already got a couple in 247 00:17:55.880 --> 00:17:57.720 their back pocket. I mean, you got your oldie, but goodie, 248 00:17:57.759 --> 00:18:00.920 you can always go to race. Race is always an easy one. The 249 00:18:00.960 --> 00:18:08.200 whole trans issue and how they've revitalized their whole anti gay rhetoric, queer rhetoric 250 00:18:08.359 --> 00:18:12.839 all the way to the moon. Just being completely dishonest. I mean, 251 00:18:12.839 --> 00:18:17.000 those are already sitting in their back pockets, so they've got other things they 252 00:18:17.000 --> 00:18:19.920 can go far that are less tangible, that are more difficult to say, 253 00:18:21.039 --> 00:18:23.680 Yes, we win or we lose. This abortion issue. It's kind of 254 00:18:23.680 --> 00:18:29.200 black or white. Either we stop. Abortion are still going on, so 255 00:18:29.240 --> 00:18:32.319 they always have something to fight over. Well, now they've kind of gotten 256 00:18:32.359 --> 00:18:34.799 what they wanted, so at that point, the thing is the move on, 257 00:18:36.039 --> 00:18:40.839 declare victory, mission accomplished. Move on, get yourself a new issue, 258 00:18:41.119 --> 00:18:45.039 pee all over yourself about it, and let's hope everybody forgets about the 259 00:18:45.039 --> 00:18:48.720 next one before the next election cycle, because that's really what it is. 260 00:18:48.759 --> 00:18:52.759 And of course you got to add your rents and maybe peepete instead of repeat, 261 00:18:52.880 --> 00:18:56.400 because that's really what we're talking about here, because that's how they've been 262 00:18:56.480 --> 00:19:00.240 jerking us around for decades now, generations even, and that's what that's what 263 00:19:00.240 --> 00:19:03.400 they're going to continue to try to do as long as we let them. 264 00:19:03.519 --> 00:19:07.240 And honestly, I think most of them, I think blatant may have touched 265 00:19:07.240 --> 00:19:10.519 on it earlier. They don't care about the issue. The issue doesn't mean 266 00:19:10.519 --> 00:19:15.000 a damn thing tool because it's about what can I get people to get up 267 00:19:15.039 --> 00:19:18.319 and vote for me far and vote with jenda I want. I mean, 268 00:19:18.400 --> 00:19:22.880 but it's true, and until we recognize that, we set ourselves up for 269 00:19:22.960 --> 00:19:26.519 failure by saying they can be better than that. Yes, the people are 270 00:19:26.759 --> 00:19:30.880 the people can be educated. But the leaders who are jerking this around that 271 00:19:32.079 --> 00:19:34.680 they're going to do what they're going to do. Evil people are going to 272 00:19:34.720 --> 00:19:38.200 be evil. We're not going to change that. It's those people that are 273 00:19:38.240 --> 00:19:42.119 being led by evil people. That's the people we talk to. That's the 274 00:19:42.119 --> 00:19:45.559 people we're trying to reach out for. Because the people are the trash, 275 00:19:45.799 --> 00:19:49.720 They'll always be what they are. It's those people and that's why we do 276 00:19:49.799 --> 00:19:52.519 it. You know it. You've done this longer than I have, and 277 00:19:53.000 --> 00:19:56.640 I've talked longer than I should have. I agree, I agree with you. 278 00:19:57.240 --> 00:20:02.200 N No, that's not the part of my You talking too much with 279 00:20:02.319 --> 00:20:07.680 others that too. Here here, damn it, listen, I'm trying to 280 00:20:07.680 --> 00:20:10.039 wrap this up. Mofos