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In one corner, Ohio GOP candidate Bernie Marina claims an abortion right ballot
measure is a k waste gateway, predicting rapist turned abortionists Booti's fat when you've
got wild speculation. Meanwhile, legal experts are rolling their eyes so hard they
might need surgery themselves. Marina's fictional narrove skills make this a laugh riot issue
One protects abortion rights, giving Ohian's control over their bodies, a win for
common sense, but a loss for Marina's imagination everybody, and that's where the
fiction crashes into politics and a head on collision. This story is from ABC
News by Adam Adelman and The New York Times and was published of every second
of twenty twenty three. So I'm going to say that I will take some
small victories everybody. I was really gonna sere what was going on with the
abortion right issue, but it has been pulled that over seventy percent of America
voters want to keep abortion right. So and finally there's actual pushback against this.
Despite Marino's stinky little it tends to get this particular legislation through But we're
going to talk more about that in a minute. But now let's take it
over to Scott so he can give his opinions on this particular story. So
I want to hear you sure, sure, Yeah. First of all,
I think, like you were saying, you know, we can consider this
a victory for human rights, and so I think that's awesome. I think
that's great. If you had asked me a year ago how this was going
to go, I might have thought it might go the other way. Although
the months leading up to the to the election, we were getting pretty clear
signals that things were gonna going to swing this way. But it's it's kind
of surprising because Ohio has been traditionally a red state, and so I I
think what we might be seeing here is just another symptom of the system being
worked against the views and the opinions and the preferences of the voters. You're
saying, Helena, over seventy percent of the of Ohio Ohioans was THATAII ohioing
Ohioites. Ohioans were in favor for this change to their state constitution. And
but even though the state has been leaning red in elections, and so forth,
and so, you know, we we see a lot of a lot
of things going on, things like germandering, manipulation of the rules of Congress
and the Senate. We've seen sitting senators refusing to consider presidential nominations for the
Supreme Court, and you know, just we've seen many many ways of the
system being manipulated, you know, kind of like it's it's a power grab
basically, and so it's it's it's almost like the the will of the voters
is becoming irrelevant, and that's kind of disturbing. Infidel, What are your
thoughts on that. One of the things you mentioned that the majority and this
being a middle of the road state, that's not being some state that is,
you know what they want to call left this even though there's really no
such thing as that here in the United States. But I really think that
they they've caught the dogs, caught the car. They never expected to win
on this issue. This was an issue to get people out to vote,
and it was the boogeyman. It was something else just to get people to
keep voting time and time again. And now that we see their unrealistic perspective
on what it means to be and in a post row versus wage society.
No one everyone realizes we don't want that. That's not a popular position.
It's not a position that anyone wants. And Middle America quite literally is saying
no. What I found astounding is that there are four people and their legislature
right now who are trying to say that there's been foreign election interference. I
mean, we've heard this before. It can't they at least come up with
a new lie coming out with foreign election interference on the abortion issue in Ohio.
I mean, that's such a complete stretch. I don't even know what
to say. They want to take away judiciary power and they want to return
that to the legislature to make those determinations on how this actual amendment is applied
because they're trying to keep it away from what they are afraid is going to
be those extremist judges who are well not going to see things the way they
do. One of the things that really gets me about this is how the
other side has tried to portray this is something that's not. It says this
bill was something that was going to allow a rapist to force their victims to
have abortions and that is just a lie tailor made for people who value pregnancy
even in a case of rape. It's amazing that they would expect anybody to
believe that. You know, it is you know, and I know that
it seems like they want to get this abortion albatross from around their neck,
as they really realize, and they don't want what they've got, But they're
trying to prey on the very people who can trust them and consider them their
constituents, trying to prey on hope, the beliefs and concerns of evangelical women,
hoping they could be swayed by an emotional appeal. I mean, has
passed in spite of these types of statements, but it is just absolutely astounding
to me that they think that this can pass for law and just completely subvert
the will of the people. And as I said, these aren't extremists.
These are middle American Republican leading voters who would traditionally be on the other side
of the issue, who realize, no, this is crazy. You guys
need to step back from this and let's get realistic about the abortion issue,
because there's something in the middle that everyone can live with, not what I
think is the perfect right solution, but something we can all live with and
with that in mind, behavior like this guy Ernie Morenos, there's just these
outright lies to prey on people who would feel they would be endangered by their
rapist is just the lowest of the low. In my opinion, I'm just
glad people didn't listen and heed his lies. Now, Blayton, I think
I've rambled on enough. Where are you coming from on this? Uh?
Where I'm coming from is seeing two things in the same sentence that I never
thought I would say, and it's Ohio and pleasantly surprised. But here we
are. It just goes to like further prove that somebody broke the timeline in
twenty fifteen, because everything since then it's just been knucking futs. And in
the latest episode of am I in a Coma, Ohio voters really voted to
protect the rights of humans to be able to decide what to do with their
own damd bodies. Never thought I would see that in my wildest rad But
that's the good news. Of course, where there is good news, there's
always a group of crazy people that are ready to stump all over the good
news because almost immediately following the voters voicing their opinion and speaking with their votes,
the civil servants who represent the voters said no, and they began attempting
to use the course to block those rights immediately. And these are rights that
were overwhelmingly supported in that state. And it just goes to show with most
of us, I would hope by now have already figured out, especially in
recent weeks, that these representatives they take being the voice of the people of
their community very seriously as long as those people completely agree with them. Otherwise
you can go to hell. I'll kick it. Literally, it's crazy.
So were any of you surprised that a politician that probably has like a pinky's
worth of medical knowledge wanted to push this agenda through to you know, score
some political points with his base, Like, I'm not surprised that's happening.
Surprise, No, no, no, And I do kind of want to
remind people that when you when you're a victim of sexual assault, it stays
with you years after and and forcing people that identify as women to be having
to give birth to their attackers child is just additional and trauma, and not
only to the mother, but the type of environment that child is going to
be raised in So this is this is going to have long impacts if this
had gotten through. And I'm glad that the Ohians were like, no,
fuck that ship, We're not doing that. And I think that's great,
But I'm you know, I'm kind of want to care from you guys,
like, you know, do you think that these type of politicians who want
to push these agendas are going too far? And is it going to hint
Like we're noticing that, you know, they're not getting the legislation passed,
but do you think this is going to end up hindering him in the long
run? So I really want to get your I know I had a couple
more things to say, Scott, but I would like to get your opinion
on that. Yeah, could you repeat the question? So do we think
that they're going too far? Is that what you're saying? Are we talking
about the Republicans or are we talking about the voters here? The politicians?
Like yeah, are they going too far with their certain agendas? And is
it going to hurt them in the long run? Oh? I see,
Okay, Well, it seems that there is kind of a disconnect here,
kind of some some kind either it's intentional or maybe it's just you know,
kind of a naivete or maybe it's ignorance or some who knows what, but
there's some kind of disconnect happening here. This is something that came up multiple
times in this article, this quote here. Republicans have been searching in vain
for a successful message on abortion ever since the Supreme Court's decision, So that
that's what they're worried about. How can we, how can we how can
we phrase this? How can we how can we say this to make it
more palatable? And it reminded me of there was a movie that came out
in nineteen eighty four, Revenge of the Nerds, and we all know that
there were many problematic scenes in that movie. But in one of those scenes,
all of the main characters were looking for dates for their for their frat
party that they were throwing, and one of the characters named Booger, he
says, I've been out cruising the high schools all week, right, And
so they did that as it kind of they intended it to be a joke,
and you know, they try to spin it like, oh, Booger
just can't find love, you know what a nerd and also kind of saying,
well, booger's kind of creepy also, But the real problem was actually
way worse than that Booger was looking for a miner to take to his college
party. Okay, he was just and it wasn't that he just couldn't find
the right miner's. It wasn't that he couldn't He was just having trouble if
only he could find the right child to bring to his college party. No,
sorry, booger, there is no positive outcome here. That's the same
thing that the Republicans are doing here. It's not that they're just having trouble
finding a way to phrase their their wish to suppress the rights of women or
you know, in their bodily autonomy and any pregnant people. Right. And
so it's not just a matter of finding the right right way of doing it.
It's that there's no possible there's no winning outcome here. You have a
horrible position. It's not a question of pr spin, it's not a question
of just getting it into the right phrasing. It's a please respect your fellow
human beings issue. So, I mean, I would say to them,
don't be a booger. That's what I had to say in Fidel, what
about you quote Scott, I agree, don't be a booger. Don't be
a booger. Don't be a booger. I don't think that as a whole
they ever anticipated or wanted to win on this issue. I think they wanted
to run in perpetuity against the evils of you know that woman who you know
has an abortion on a whim for the fun of it, like you know,
ice cream flavors and last minute abortion the last week before their due date.
Just this completely dishonest level of raising money and getting people with charged up
to go out and vote, and nothing ever happened. And that's they were
perfectly fine with that. Their problem now is they got what they said they
wanted, and the adults that have to try to figure this out realize,
oh shit, this suck. Nobody wanted this, we didn't want this.
What are we going to do? Now, let's try to make it sound
better because it's trash they know it. And the problem is you have a
few people like this, one particular guy you mentioned forcing a woman to not
have an abortion, but just as cruelly to tell people they're forcing you to
have an abortion. That bodily autonomy works both ways, and there are people
who are products of rape and who choose to have that child, and that's
a choice that they should have just as strongly. And for this guy to
come around and say your rapist is going to have control over your body again,
it's such a terrible lie. But it's just another example of how they
can't get their act together on what they want to say about an abortion because
they know that they backed the dog and unfortunately it's sitting right in their lap
and now they're trying to figure out how to make it sound better. And
the truth is they're going to have to be an adult at some point and
say, if we want to win elections, we're going to have to let
this issue go because the American people are not going to be duped. Especially
we had a story a while back about a thirteen year old rape victim in
Mississippi who was forced to give birth to a child because of these laws.
And when you start talking about things like this, if that doesn't make you
piss the fuck off, there's something wrong with you. So to me,
all these people in their view on this issue, wake up, see what's
going on. Stand strong, because yeah, the people in Ohio. Their
voices are trying to be overridden by the people that they voted for who are
supposed to represent them. And so we need people who are going to represent
us and not circumvent the law, because the law is, the judicial system
is the checks and balances on all this. So they should ultimately make that
choice just as the law states. That's all do your job, and this
time the job that the most important that politicians of all stripes need to do
is listen to the people. They've spoken time and again. Just listen to
the people. Layton, what you got now? You pretty much said everything
that I was thinking. But I feel like not only did they not think
they were going to win on this issue, I think that they don't want
to win this battle at all. I feel like most of these people,
if any of them, aren't really believers in all of this stuff. They
want to be celebrities. Like I think back to like high school, I
wasn't as proactive or involved in politics, so I didn't know a lot of
politicians. I know so many politicians. Now I know the names and faces
of so many politicians, and I feel like that's not just a social media
phenomenon. I think that's that these people are literally getting into this to not
be civil servants, but to become celebrities. That's why their Twitter is more
important than anything they do on the House floor. That's why they have podcasts,
like you know what I mean, Like it's a game for some of
the these people. And I don't feel like winning is the goal. I
feel like creating more buzz is more. They want to go viral, That's
what that's That's what I'm trying to get it. It's a lot of people
trying to go viral, and this is a hot button topic, so they
just keep pressing. And that's that's where I'm coming from. And like I
am grateful that the voter base is now are like, oh oh oh no,
now we have to go vote, and people that probably weren't considering voting,
and they especially people that are like kind of blase about their politics.
Certain issues will get people to polls, and one of them is hodifying your
right and because you can have an emotional feeling about, you know, a
certain issue, but if you have enough human sympathy and that you realize that
your view isn't the best view for everybody. You're going to go out and
vote and you're going to be like, you know what, I won't do
this, but that's my decision, and you're going to vote for the people
that have to make decisions based on what's going on in their lives. So
I'm very hopeful. It is the best word that. You know. The
right wing kind of shut themselves in the foot with this, and there's no
happy way to spin this. You can't say like we're taking away your rights
and that's a good thing. There's no way to spin that. It's disgusting
because like, this is a human rights issue. This is not a political
party issue. It is a human right issue. And guess what, we're
all humans, everybody, and we should be able to make our own decisions
based one is good for our lives. You know, no matter what side
of the aisle you're on or you're not in an aisle, I don't care.
I just care that everybody should be able to make decisions with their reason
in mind and not have some dickhead politician that has no medical knowledge making decisions
for you. So on that note, before we go, Before we go,
I just wanted to say, like, you have your last stand spot
if this is in fact just a bid to get clicks and to get fame,
or if it's just a device used to uh to rile up their voters,
that makes it way worse. Right, they're playing like like we were
all saying, they're playing with human rights here, they're playing with the rights
of human beings to and and just as if it was just a pawn in
a game, just a checker to be cast aside. You know, it
serves its part pawn sacrifice, a queen sacrifice, a pregnant person sacrifice,
whatever it's. That makes it just way way worse. And I don't know,
I I I infandel you mentioned that you know there there has to be
a point where they just give up on this, do you. I'm not
sure if I ever see that happening. It's they would have to. I
mean, if the if their identity is kind of their whole starting point for
any discussion or any argument, I mean, that seems like it would be
a fundamental change in in their identity. They they've already got a couple in
their back pocket. I mean, you got your oldie, but goodie,
you can always go to race. Race is always an easy one. The
whole trans issue and how they've revitalized their whole anti gay rhetoric, queer rhetoric
all the way to the moon. Just being completely dishonest. I mean,
those are already sitting in their back pockets, so they've got other things they
can go far that are less tangible, that are more difficult to say,
Yes, we win or we lose. This abortion issue. It's kind of
black or white. Either we stop. Abortion are still going on, so
they always have something to fight over. Well, now they've kind of gotten
what they wanted, so at that point, the thing is the move on,
declare victory, mission accomplished. Move on, get yourself a new issue,
pee all over yourself about it, and let's hope everybody forgets about the
next one before the next election cycle, because that's really what it is.
And of course you got to add your rents and maybe peepete instead of repeat,
because that's really what we're talking about here, because that's how they've been
jerking us around for decades now, generations even, and that's what that's what
they're going to continue to try to do as long as we let them.
And honestly, I think most of them, I think blatant may have touched
on it earlier. They don't care about the issue. The issue doesn't mean
a damn thing tool because it's about what can I get people to get up
and vote for me far and vote with jenda I want. I mean,
but it's true, and until we recognize that, we set ourselves up for
failure by saying they can be better than that. Yes, the people are
the people can be educated. But the leaders who are jerking this around that
they're going to do what they're going to do. Evil people are going to
be evil. We're not going to change that. It's those people that are
being led by evil people. That's the people we talk to. That's the
people we're trying to reach out for. Because the people are the trash,
They'll always be what they are. It's those people and that's why we do
it. You know it. You've done this longer than I have, and
I've talked longer than I should have. I agree, I agree with you.
N No, that's not the part of my You talking too much with
others that too. Here here, damn it, listen, I'm trying to
wrap this up. Mofos