WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.720 --> 00:00:13.039 Cis document Cedrica solon claude de poiller Oh the Celebra Chronicle. Judicial scrubs upound 2 00:00:13.080 --> 00:00:33.159 the show's meme nouvelle claude clade two visions. He could clude de sabet Ea 3 00:00:33.399 --> 00:00:56.600 or disused put the ball during On July three, first, two thousand and 4 00:00:56.719 --> 00:01:03.039 seven, nine year olds Cedrica prov she disappeared from Troi Rivie, Quebec. 5 00:01:03.319 --> 00:01:10.640 Her disappearance resulted in the biggest police search in Quebec history. At first, 6 00:01:10.840 --> 00:01:17.799 Cedrico was simply declared missing by this certe to Quebec, but given the circumstances 7 00:01:17.920 --> 00:01:34.319 surrounding her disappearance, it was clear she had been abducted. It has been 8 00:01:34.599 --> 00:01:38.400 a very emotional week for the Plavache family and of course we're all of Quebec 9 00:01:38.840 --> 00:01:42.879 to give us a better perspective and better understanding, of course than what is 10 00:01:42.920 --> 00:01:45.840 going on with the case and with this family. It was one of the 11 00:01:46.000 --> 00:01:49.879 biggest missing person cases ever in Quebec history. I mean there was a point 12 00:01:49.920 --> 00:01:52.439 I think in two thousand and seven, two thousand and eight you can walk 13 00:01:52.480 --> 00:01:57.120 anywhere without seeing her face. Her face everywhere blasted around, so you know, 14 00:01:57.159 --> 00:02:09.520 obviously such a sad moment everyone was hoping for. Unneath and in many 15 00:02:09.639 --> 00:02:17.080 respects, I'm the last person who should cover the the Cedrica Provencier case. 16 00:02:19.240 --> 00:02:23.439 It's been done to death in Quebec, but nevertheless, it's mostly been done 17 00:02:23.479 --> 00:02:28.719 in the French language. So um and I certainly I don't. I don't 18 00:02:28.759 --> 00:02:34.000 have any proximity to this case, and I'm strictly a wire in this matter. 19 00:02:35.240 --> 00:02:38.840 I have nothing to do. I don't know the family, I don't 20 00:02:38.879 --> 00:02:46.000 know the investigative investigating officers. Although over the years there have been points of 21 00:02:46.120 --> 00:02:51.280 intersection. For instance, I might I might want to have a meeting with 22 00:02:51.360 --> 00:02:54.000 the Serte to Quebec and they say, well, not this week, we 23 00:02:54.120 --> 00:02:58.680 can't, we can't meet with you this week, or we can't talk on 24 00:02:58.759 --> 00:03:02.400 the telephone this week because we really we have a task force really working an 25 00:03:02.439 --> 00:03:07.319 angle on the Cedrica case and all our resources are going towards that. But 26 00:03:07.479 --> 00:03:14.520 outside of that, I really don't. I really don't have any skin in 27 00:03:14.599 --> 00:03:17.319 the game with this one. But as I say, nevertheless, because it 28 00:03:17.599 --> 00:03:23.400 was so infamous, maybe as an outsider and given some of my experience, 29 00:03:23.919 --> 00:03:38.599 I might be able to give some sense of perspective to the matter. And 30 00:03:39.080 --> 00:03:45.479 like so many of these cases, I'm going to begin with a prelude. 31 00:03:46.319 --> 00:03:51.360 I often say what's past is prologue and you can learn from the past. 32 00:03:52.159 --> 00:03:55.879 So we're going to start with before we get to Cedrica, we're going to 33 00:03:57.039 --> 00:04:01.280 start with the case of Claudette Pokier. And on my website, this is 34 00:04:01.360 --> 00:04:08.199 the last case. It's the one we have not dealt with yet, in 35 00:04:08.360 --> 00:04:14.680 part because there's so little information to be gleaned from it. I wasn't sure 36 00:04:14.759 --> 00:04:17.040 really how to integrate it. But I think I found a way now to 37 00:04:18.079 --> 00:04:26.399 incorporate Claudette's murder in a way that might be instructive. So we're going to 38 00:04:26.480 --> 00:04:31.160 go back to nineteen seventy seven and at that time, Claudette Poirier, she's 39 00:04:31.199 --> 00:04:36.519 a fifteen year old kid. She lives with her parents at one zero Montfette 40 00:04:38.240 --> 00:04:43.199 in Drummondville, Quebec, and it's the summer of nineteen seventy seven, and 41 00:04:43.879 --> 00:04:48.879 the family decides to do some camping about four miles south at this campground called 42 00:04:49.360 --> 00:04:58.839 Camp Plain Familia along cham Hemming. On July twenty seventh, nineteen seventy seven, 43 00:05:00.000 --> 00:05:04.839 Adette, who's five foot five hundred and ten pounds. She's she's seen 44 00:05:05.040 --> 00:05:13.879 riding her bicycle along the twas ym Rache de Simpson on her way. She's 45 00:05:13.920 --> 00:05:17.800 at the campground, but she's on her way to visit friends who live on 46 00:05:18.040 --> 00:05:25.279 Saint Charles Boulevard back near her home in Drummondville, so where she was camping 47 00:05:25.480 --> 00:05:30.879 was within traveling distance from where she lived. From this point on, Claudette 48 00:05:30.879 --> 00:05:41.120 disappears. Her bicycle is found along Range Sankiem in Saint Cerel, about two 49 00:05:41.199 --> 00:05:46.920 miles from the campground, and at this point the police are called in and 50 00:05:48.120 --> 00:05:54.160 the investigating forces there are two, actually there's this Artetiquebec force from Tuire Riviere, 51 00:05:54.800 --> 00:05:59.199 but also the Artetaebec from her home of Drummondville are are called in. 52 00:05:59.360 --> 00:06:05.600 So we have two agencies and they are unable to find any trace of Claudette. 53 00:06:20.519 --> 00:06:28.879 Nine years later, on October ninth, nineteen eighty six, two hunters 54 00:06:29.120 --> 00:06:35.439 find a skull and some other bones and women's clothing about fifteen meters from the 55 00:06:35.639 --> 00:06:45.000 road at larreserv Saint Saint Lucien, about four miles south from the site of 56 00:06:45.319 --> 00:06:53.399 Claudette's disappearance. Now I've also heard reports that the bones were charred as if 57 00:06:53.480 --> 00:07:00.360 her remains were somehow burnt in a fire pit. The remains are analyzed by 58 00:07:00.439 --> 00:07:08.079 doctor Andre Lezan at the serteti Quebec's medical lab at Parthenay in Montreal, and 59 00:07:08.279 --> 00:07:14.279 they are identified as the bones the remains of Claudette Parier nine years later, 60 00:07:15.839 --> 00:07:20.399 and given the length of time, of course, they are unable to determine 61 00:07:20.639 --> 00:07:29.040 an exact cause of death. And if you want a little geographic rendering of 62 00:07:29.319 --> 00:07:31.560 the distances between where she lived, where she was camping, where the bike 63 00:07:31.720 --> 00:07:35.720 was found, where she was last seen, I've created a little map online. 64 00:07:36.319 --> 00:07:41.920 If you go to the to the site, the initial site where it 65 00:07:42.000 --> 00:07:46.319 says missing, missing women and murders from the seventies, click on Claudette's case. 66 00:07:46.399 --> 00:07:53.680 They'll give you more details There just a few more items to talk about. 67 00:07:54.000 --> 00:07:59.519 So can we connect Claudett's case in nineteen seventy seven in Drummondville with the 68 00:07:59.639 --> 00:08:03.240 other cases we've been discussing. It's it's hard to tell. They're probably not 69 00:08:03.399 --> 00:08:11.360 connected at all. However, I would note that we recently profiled the case 70 00:08:11.439 --> 00:08:18.800 of Alice Pare, who was murdered in nineteen seventy She also disappeared from Drummondville 71 00:08:18.279 --> 00:08:24.920 and was later, as we say, found murdered. And Alice Pare lived 72 00:08:24.959 --> 00:08:31.320 about two miles south of Claudette Poirier, just across the Saint Frasoi River. 73 00:08:50.919 --> 00:08:54.919 One other thing to mention, because we're going to get into this. I've 74 00:08:54.960 --> 00:09:03.000 mentioned several times on this podcast the Quebec journalist claud Poirier, and then we 75 00:09:03.159 --> 00:09:11.759 have Claudette Poirier. There's no evidence that that Claudette was a relation of Claude. 76 00:09:11.320 --> 00:09:16.200 I've asked that question and I'm pretty certain that they were not related. 77 00:09:16.600 --> 00:09:20.519 And I bring that up because it's going to get just a tiny bit confusing, 78 00:09:20.559 --> 00:09:24.360 and because we're gonna start talking a little later about Claudette and Claude, 79 00:09:24.399 --> 00:09:28.399 and I don't want people to be confused. Claude is a seventy year old 80 00:09:28.519 --> 00:09:35.279 journalist quite active in Quebect right now. Claudette was a fifteen year old victim 81 00:09:35.320 --> 00:09:39.360 who was murdered in nineteen seventy seven. So now what I want you to 82 00:09:39.440 --> 00:09:43.960 do is I want you to just parking lot that case for a bit and 83 00:09:43.120 --> 00:09:48.080 we're gon we're gonna switch gears and we're going to get into some details about 84 00:09:48.399 --> 00:10:03.919 Cedrica provench In the early evening of July thirty first, nineteen ninety seven, 85 00:10:05.159 --> 00:10:11.360 Cedrica was out riding her bike not far from her home in Tirivie. Cedrica 86 00:10:11.480 --> 00:10:16.279 was approached by a man who asked for help searching for a lost dog. 87 00:10:16.320 --> 00:10:22.960 Cedrica went around her neighborhood, knocking on doors and asking residence if they'd seen 88 00:10:24.039 --> 00:10:28.000 the dog. She was seen emerging from a wooded area with a friend, 89 00:10:28.399 --> 00:10:31.720 closely followed by a man. She was then seen on her bike in a 90 00:10:31.799 --> 00:10:39.799 local park and on various nearby side streets. Cedrica Provanchet was last seen around 91 00:10:39.919 --> 00:10:43.799 eight pm. Cedrica was supposed to be home by eight thirty pm, but 92 00:10:45.039 --> 00:10:52.320 she never showed up and her parents called nine one one immediately. The following 93 00:10:52.399 --> 00:10:58.519 morning, August first, police find Cedrica's bicycle leaning against a garage dumpster near 94 00:10:58.559 --> 00:11:05.840 the corner of Rue Chabanel and Chapee, about two kilometers from the spot where 95 00:11:05.879 --> 00:11:11.279 she was last seen the preceding evening. On the third of August two thousand 96 00:11:11.360 --> 00:11:16.399 and seven, the media suggests that Cedrica has been abducted, largely based on 97 00:11:16.519 --> 00:11:22.720 the testimony of a woman who comes forward saying the previous Saturday, a man 98 00:11:22.879 --> 00:11:26.720 had approached her five year old daughter and a thirteen year old babysitter to go 99 00:11:26.960 --> 00:11:33.879 swimming with him. Nevertheless, the Seftet Quebec contend that she is merely missing. 100 00:11:35.399 --> 00:11:39.639 Police spokesman Pierre Revard states that it's still too early for the police to 101 00:11:39.759 --> 00:11:45.519 label the case of kidnapping, and he stresses that police are still considering all 102 00:11:45.679 --> 00:11:54.279 theories. Quote it's a disappearance for the time being, he says. I 103 00:11:54.399 --> 00:11:58.279 hope they find her because she's one of my best friends, says friend of 104 00:11:58.360 --> 00:12:03.559 Cedrica's Annabelle, who was with Cedrica just a few hours before she disappeared. 105 00:12:05.080 --> 00:12:09.320 On the eighth of August, more than a week after the disappearance, the 106 00:12:09.480 --> 00:12:15.960 Sarte to Quebec issue a wanted notice for Cedrica, suggesting that she had voluntarily 107 00:12:16.120 --> 00:12:24.039 run away rather than being abducted. A massive search is organized, consisting of 108 00:12:24.159 --> 00:12:33.120 provincial police RCMP and public volunteers. A team of thirty officers follow up on 109 00:12:33.320 --> 00:12:37.440 two hundred tips from the public as volunteers continue to scour the streets and wooded 110 00:12:37.480 --> 00:12:45.120 areas around tis Riviere. Cedrica's mother and father, Marten and Cairine Fortier, 111 00:12:45.840 --> 00:12:52.320 appeal for her safe return. The Sun youth charity collects eighty thousand dollars in 112 00:12:52.440 --> 00:12:56.720 public volunteer money to offer as a reward, the largest amount ever collected for 113 00:12:56.799 --> 00:13:03.840 a police operation. On August twelfth, nineteen ninety seven, police suspend their 114 00:13:03.919 --> 00:13:09.360 ground search for Cedrica, but continue to check out tips they received from the 115 00:13:09.480 --> 00:13:16.120 public. August thirteenth, the Premier of Quebec, Jean Charier, meets privately 116 00:13:16.240 --> 00:13:22.639 with the probanchise and investigating officers. Condolences are given, but few answers. 117 00:13:24.039 --> 00:13:30.399 A local woman, Madelin bonnival comes forward to say she had seen Cedrica, 118 00:13:30.919 --> 00:13:35.600 who had told her she was helping a woman find a lost dog. Bonnivale 119 00:13:35.639 --> 00:13:41.039 tells the regional newspaper La Nuvelliste she's sticking to her story that Cedrica said it 120 00:13:41.200 --> 00:13:46.960 was a woman who approached her. The account leaves open the possibility that two 121 00:13:48.080 --> 00:14:01.559 people may have been involved in Cedrica's disappearance. By late August, the prominent 122 00:14:01.639 --> 00:14:09.000 crime journalist Claude Poirier gets involved, promising to keep his phone line open around 123 00:14:09.080 --> 00:14:15.279 the clock for information on the disappearance. Leads are followed as far away as 124 00:14:15.399 --> 00:14:22.879 Quebec's Gaspay, Regent, Montreal, and in New Brunswick. In September, 125 00:14:22.159 --> 00:14:28.200 police hold a news conference saying they are looking for a suspicious car, a 126 00:14:28.360 --> 00:14:35.879 red four door Acura. Several eyewitnesses spotted moments leading up to Cedrica's disappearance. 127 00:14:37.799 --> 00:14:41.960 By a December, police say they are questioning five people of interest connected to 128 00:14:43.039 --> 00:14:50.600 the case. All five suspects have histories of sexual deviance. By mid December, 129 00:14:50.679 --> 00:14:56.240 the Provenchais have separated. Cedrica's mother, Cairene praises the work of police 130 00:14:56.279 --> 00:15:01.360 officers involved in the investigation. Quote I am entirely confident in the Serte de 131 00:15:01.440 --> 00:15:07.320 Goebec, she tells Radio Canada. By late May two thousand and eight, 132 00:15:07.840 --> 00:15:13.320 the Sertet de Cobec announced they are canceling the award in Sadrica's case and reimbursing 133 00:15:13.399 --> 00:15:22.039 donors. On the one year anniversary of Sadrica's disappearance, investigators have received more 134 00:15:22.080 --> 00:15:26.399 than fifteen thousand calls, met with more than six hundred people, can check 135 00:15:26.480 --> 00:15:31.159 some eight hundred cars in their search for the girl. Police maintain the case 136 00:15:31.320 --> 00:15:37.679 is very active, but they have very little to show for it. In 137 00:15:37.840 --> 00:15:41.320 June two thousand and nine, a second reward of one hundred and seventy thousand 138 00:15:41.399 --> 00:15:46.960 dollars is offered, this time administered not by the police but privately by the 139 00:15:48.039 --> 00:15:54.759 attorney Gui bertramp I. December, the reward expires again and without any new 140 00:15:54.879 --> 00:15:58.759 leads in her disappearance. In the summer of two thousand and ten, the 141 00:15:58.799 --> 00:16:04.799 family of Sirdrica Provencis officially start a foundation to help families of victims of child 142 00:16:04.879 --> 00:16:12.360 abductions. The goal of La Foundacion Cedrica Provencist is to intervene quickly when a 143 00:16:12.480 --> 00:16:18.600 child is abducted and help support the families involved. Quote We're not here to 144 00:16:18.720 --> 00:16:25.840 replace the police or investigators, says Provenchie. We want the foundation to be 145 00:16:26.039 --> 00:16:30.960 an extra tool. In two thousand and twelve, five years after her disappearance, 146 00:16:32.519 --> 00:16:38.279 the Provencist Foundation announces an international day to prevent child abduction. A spokesman 147 00:16:38.519 --> 00:16:45.399 with the Quebec's Missing Children's Network says Cedrica's case has already spurned changes in child 148 00:16:45.480 --> 00:16:51.879 abduction cases. The spokesman goes on to say that it took several hours for 149 00:16:51.960 --> 00:16:57.080 the search for Cedrica to begin. She says authorities act faster now. Quote 150 00:16:57.840 --> 00:17:06.039 Cedrica brought out change that we have to intervene rapidly when vulnerable children go missing. 151 00:17:07.119 --> 00:17:12.160 We know how crucial those first few hours are. End quote. In 152 00:17:12.319 --> 00:17:19.400 twenty fourteen, the Quebec documentary filmmaker or Stefan Paramount releases the film No Vomb 153 00:17:19.920 --> 00:17:26.160 Cat Cat. The film suggests a serial killer was operating in Quebec, killing 154 00:17:26.319 --> 00:17:33.559 children from nineteen eighty four up into the disappearance of Cedrica in two thousand and 155 00:17:33.720 --> 00:18:17.799 seven. Discovery of the remains eight years after her disappearance. On December eleventh, 156 00:18:17.920 --> 00:18:22.119 twenty fifteen, three hunters stumble upon a set of human remains in the 157 00:18:22.240 --> 00:18:29.400 woods in Saint Maurice, a suburb of tis Riviere, close to Highway forty, 158 00:18:30.480 --> 00:18:37.319 about fifteen kilometers from the last place where Cedrica had been seen. On 159 00:18:37.440 --> 00:18:42.359 December twelfth, police confirmed that the remains are Cedrica's, although police had no 160 00:18:42.519 --> 00:18:48.119 further information at the time and said they would need to carry out further investigations. 161 00:18:52.519 --> 00:18:57.799 More than two hundred officers descend on the wooded area searching for evidence. 162 00:19:00.039 --> 00:19:06.000 On December sixteenth, Radio Canada reveals that investigators are still looking for a person 163 00:19:06.079 --> 00:19:18.039 of interest who had been seen around the area where Cedrica disappeared. Arrest of 164 00:19:18.279 --> 00:19:32.599 Jonathan Betez on August twenty ninth two sixteen, Jonathan Betetz is arrested and charged 165 00:19:33.000 --> 00:19:38.720 with six counts of possessing and distributing child pornography depicting children between the ages of 166 00:19:38.799 --> 00:19:45.960 eight and twelve years of age. The police consider him the prime suspect and 167 00:19:47.079 --> 00:19:52.680 Sedrica's abduction and murder, and several investigators working on Cedrica's case are involved in 168 00:19:52.839 --> 00:19:59.680 questioning Betez. In two thousand and seven, Betez owned a red accurate car 169 00:20:00.240 --> 00:20:06.200 with silver door handles, which matches the description of a suspicious car scene at 170 00:20:06.240 --> 00:20:11.759 the time of the abduction. Betez has always refused to take a polygraph test 171 00:20:11.160 --> 00:20:17.319 or to cooperate in any way with the police. According to crime journalist Claude 172 00:20:17.359 --> 00:20:23.039 Poirier, Betez was planning to flee to Switzerland, which has no extradition treaty 173 00:20:23.359 --> 00:20:38.319 with Canada. I'll offer some thoughts on these matters. Number One, I 174 00:20:38.599 --> 00:20:45.680 don't think the Poitier and Provanche cases are connected, but I would note some 175 00:20:45.799 --> 00:20:55.119 striking similarities. Three decades before Planche at the same time at the Summer's Apex 176 00:20:55.240 --> 00:21:02.039 in late July, Claudette disappears under under strikingly similar circum stances. She's she's 177 00:21:02.160 --> 00:21:07.359 riding her bike like Cedrica on a summer's evening. UM, there's almost a 178 00:21:07.480 --> 00:21:12.480 decade gap before the remains in both cases are found, and and again not 179 00:21:12.720 --> 00:21:18.799 far from where they disappeared. And also like Provencier, many at that time 180 00:21:18.880 --> 00:21:26.359 believed that that Claudette was still alive all those years. And it's it's also 181 00:21:26.480 --> 00:21:33.079 curious that the Pigier investigation is led by the the Toi Riviere detachment of the 182 00:21:33.160 --> 00:21:40.200 Steti Quebec now in UM. In some accounts and most of the accounts you 183 00:21:40.319 --> 00:21:44.759 read in the Provenche case, they say that her skull was found, but 184 00:21:45.279 --> 00:21:51.960 I have heard through channels that it was the full skeletal remains. As to 185 00:21:52.319 --> 00:22:00.799 the filmmaker Stefan pars So, we mentioned he made this this movie Novambret Catre. 186 00:22:00.359 --> 00:22:07.319 He's since made a second documentary UM that is in post production called Cedrica. 187 00:22:07.799 --> 00:22:11.359 In fact, when she was found December twenty fifteen, he was he 188 00:22:11.559 --> 00:22:17.680 was on the scene at the site UM where she where she disappeared. UM. 189 00:22:18.200 --> 00:22:22.519 Now, initially the family was cooperating in the in the making of that 190 00:22:22.839 --> 00:22:29.160 that film, but since then Martin Pravanche has come forward and he's asked Paran 191 00:22:29.920 --> 00:22:34.640 not to release the film I don't know what the reasoning is for it, 192 00:22:36.640 --> 00:22:40.480 um, but that that has been his statement to the to the media. 193 00:22:41.160 --> 00:22:48.079 And then also interesting um. Two months ago, the Quebec talk show host 194 00:22:48.400 --> 00:22:56.039 Andrea Arter he accused Claude Poirier, the journalist Claude Poirier, of and I 195 00:22:56.160 --> 00:23:06.279 quote fucking the Cedrica investigation. It's Poirier a fucky Lanquette dispersion homicide the Cedrica 196 00:23:06.559 --> 00:23:17.119 provencher and Andrea Arthur maintains that Poirier had the sertidicavex ear at this time and 197 00:23:17.319 --> 00:23:22.960 he wasted millions and not that is that is the figure millions of hours of 198 00:23:23.079 --> 00:23:29.720 the sertiticavex time by giving them tips from his phone line and sending him on 199 00:23:30.160 --> 00:23:37.839 on wild goose chases with every single rumor that he would collect. And these 200 00:23:37.920 --> 00:23:41.400 places were running to the gas Bazi to see if a suspect was there, 201 00:23:41.880 --> 00:23:47.079 running to the province of New Brunswick to see if Cedrica was in fact being 202 00:23:47.160 --> 00:23:56.960 held captive there, and and the Andrea Arthur he said that Poirier's efforts m 203 00:23:56.640 --> 00:24:02.599 albeit they might have been of good intention, and slowed the investigation by two 204 00:24:02.960 --> 00:24:07.400 years. So this is a recent controversy that is unfolding in the province of 205 00:24:07.480 --> 00:24:12.000 Quebec. Now, the Serte de Quebec shot back and they defended Poirier. 206 00:24:14.440 --> 00:24:18.480 And I'd point out that it was the police spokesman Gui LaPoint La point is 207 00:24:18.519 --> 00:24:27.119 the same spokesman we continue to hear on Poirier's television show A Kett Poirier. 208 00:24:27.319 --> 00:24:33.920 In fact, Lapointe was the spokesman that was interviewed when Poirier did the episode 209 00:24:33.960 --> 00:24:40.240 on Teresa Alare's case. And and my point there is to say, yes, 210 00:24:40.319 --> 00:24:45.319 I've worked with Claude Poarier. He's he's well respected, he deserves his 211 00:24:45.480 --> 00:24:52.000 reputation. But we're all human, we're all fallible, and perhaps in this 212 00:24:52.240 --> 00:24:57.839 instance he may have he may have obstructed an investigation with his good intentions. 213 00:24:59.480 --> 00:25:03.079 And to find out that over the years, potentially Poirier and the Certetic Quebec 214 00:25:03.160 --> 00:25:11.200 have just been their relationship has just been possibly a little too cozy. Now 215 00:25:11.319 --> 00:25:17.880 as to the rumors of where over the years where Provencher might have been beginning 216 00:25:17.920 --> 00:25:22.000 with the rumor of the gas be z, that's that's not a bad assumption. 217 00:25:22.440 --> 00:25:30.559 Um. When Julie Boisvenue was was murdered, her her assailant Hugo Bernier 218 00:25:32.519 --> 00:25:37.599 um ran to the gas be Z many times this is where people they run 219 00:25:37.640 --> 00:25:40.200 to. And if you've ever been there, if you're in the gas be 220 00:25:40.400 --> 00:25:45.720 Z um right at the point where where per Se Rock is, that's sort 221 00:25:45.759 --> 00:25:51.319 of the tip of the the gas per Se Rock is a tourist attraction basically 222 00:25:51.480 --> 00:25:56.200 in the in the Gulf and what lies beyond there is the Atlantic Ocean. 223 00:25:56.559 --> 00:26:00.799 So you could not in terms of a Quebec or you could not go further 224 00:26:03.640 --> 00:26:07.680 east than the gas Baz, So it's commonly a place where criminals run to. 225 00:26:08.559 --> 00:26:12.480 Nevertheless, on the other hand, we get this theme again right where 226 00:26:14.039 --> 00:26:19.240 where everybody's looking for the victim and the victim is where the victim is within 227 00:26:19.400 --> 00:26:22.960 miles of where they were last seen. We've we've seen it with Teresa Lord, 228 00:26:23.039 --> 00:26:30.680 We've seen it in many cases that we've we've discussed. Now, the 229 00:26:30.119 --> 00:26:36.519 one item in all of this that absolutely breaks my heart, despite the best 230 00:26:36.680 --> 00:26:42.319 intentions, is the work of the Provence Foundation and Quebec's Missing a Children's Network. 231 00:26:44.559 --> 00:26:52.240 I appreciate that they say that Cedrica brought about change and that now police 232 00:26:52.279 --> 00:26:57.359 agencies intervene quicker. In the first forty eight, But why did that lesson 233 00:26:57.599 --> 00:27:03.440 have to be learned again? We discussed this lesson when we talked of the 234 00:27:03.640 --> 00:27:11.200 Alice par case from nineteen seventy. At the same time in the early seventies 235 00:27:11.240 --> 00:27:15.000 that we had to deal it was the fallout from the abduction and murder of 236 00:27:17.839 --> 00:27:25.880 Ursula Schultz on the south shore of Montreal where she disappeared in the first forty 237 00:27:25.920 --> 00:27:32.720 eight. No police agency had the ball and it led to a public inquiry 238 00:27:33.640 --> 00:27:42.440 where there was a promise made for better cooperation between police agencies and the necessity 239 00:27:44.240 --> 00:27:48.640 and the promise that there would be follow through in the first forty eight when 240 00:27:48.759 --> 00:27:56.279 young people go missing, and yet here we are, thirty years later, 241 00:27:56.039 --> 00:28:02.319 having to learn the whole lesson against Cedrica should not have That's not a lesson 242 00:28:02.400 --> 00:28:08.920 that Cedrica Provencier should have borne. It should have been learned, digested and 243 00:28:10.119 --> 00:28:15.880 become part of the Quebec police's process instead of continually being forgotten and having to 244 00:28:17.359 --> 00:28:26.319 relearn again. The past is prologue. And again just look at the timeline. 245 00:28:27.519 --> 00:28:34.319 They take over a week the Serte de Quebec to publicly issue a notice 246 00:28:37.359 --> 00:28:42.440 and at that time they still say she's voluntarily runaway rather than been abducted. 247 00:28:42.799 --> 00:28:51.480 This is August eighth, a mere four days later, on August twelfth, 248 00:28:52.559 --> 00:28:57.200 they suspend the ground search for Cedrica, but they say they'll they'll continue to 249 00:28:57.599 --> 00:29:03.960 check and receive tips, which means basically they'll stand by on the phone, 250 00:29:03.680 --> 00:29:10.160 but they won't get their asses out of the chair and do anything proactive in 251 00:29:10.240 --> 00:29:22.000 the matter. So Madame Pravalcher carrying fourtier can say that she's or was. 252 00:29:22.240 --> 00:29:26.000 I don't know if she still is entirely confident in the Serte de Quebec, 253 00:29:26.839 --> 00:29:33.559 but I am I am not. I haven't been for my own purposes, 254 00:29:34.519 --> 00:29:41.519 and with all the cases that we've discussed, But come on, now we're 255 00:29:41.559 --> 00:29:47.759 talking. We've moved into the next millennia. We're talking two thousand seven. 256 00:29:48.720 --> 00:29:56.519 So much progress should have been made this out of the gate when she disappeared. 257 00:29:56.160 --> 00:30:03.839 This investigation should have run like a watch, and it appears to have 258 00:30:03.119 --> 00:30:11.759 run the same way they all ran, from Alice Paret in the nineteen seventies 259 00:30:12.119 --> 00:30:21.400 through all of the cases in the late seventies. Sweet and quiet avec methods 260 00:30:21.960 --> 00:30:45.079 de la sorte de Quebec Quiet. That is our program for this week. 261 00:30:45.279 --> 00:30:49.119 You've been listening to Who Killed Teresa and I'm your host, John A. 262 00:30:49.200 --> 00:30:59.640 Lore. 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