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Life isn't fair, justice is blind
and dysfunctional, and some cops aren't smart

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and dedicated like on television. This
is who killed Teresa. First, some

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words about Francine da Silva, because
this story is ultimately about Francine da Silva.

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I can't remember if it was in
a podcast, but I've spoken many

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times about where she was found,
that area having a strong influence on me,

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where she lived and her murder was
committed. And the locus is place

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Emilia Gamelet, that in itself is
a focal point in Montreal. The main

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library Banquieu is located there. It's
also where Berry Yukon metro station is placed.

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It's one of the main terminals of
the city subway system. Oursham Bows

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is there but will be closing this
spring. It's a bookstore that has been

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an institution in the city for at
least half a decade. My nephew worked

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there for years and I used to
drop in and surprise him whenever I was

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in town. I didn't know until
recently that Plasdui, an indoor shopping court

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across the square known today more for
homeless and drug problems, was the original

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location of Depuis Frey or one of
Montreal's most venerated department stores, and I

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could go on and on. Plas
Emily Gamilins like a magnet for me,

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I'm compelled to stay in the area
whenever I visit Montreal. One time after

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dark, I went out photo exploring, and this is long before you know

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I've written about Francine da Silva,
and I shot a picture of her apartment

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on Rueandrei with out even having known
Francine had lived there. So it's kind

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of strange, and that it's a
very unassuming building. The bus station is

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north of the square. I used
to hang out there as a kid,

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and so did Francine and her friends
anonymous to each other. And then finally,

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I can't tell you the number of
hours I've spent in that library bunk,

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staring at microfilm of old newspapers,
looking for clues and meanings. That

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I believe without question that Edmund Turcott
murdered Tianti Bowl. There's such specificity in

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his confession, such defiance in his
posturing in court, but the judge let

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him go. Why I would argue
that Edmund Turcott was protected. He served

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a low level purpose to organize crime, and they would come to his aid

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when he needed assistance. Not for
everything, of course. There are petty

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crimes where Turcott met with justice,
but nothing. Ever, like murderer,

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He's usually slapped on the wrist with
a fine and the threat of serving time,

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but nothing for murder, which I
believe he continued to commit throughout his

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criminal career. In nineteen seventy eight, while living in LaSalle, Turcott was

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charged with soliciting a prostitute. The
attorney RAYL Charbonneau also represented Turcott in that

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process. In nineteen eighty, while
living in Point O'tromble, he was charged

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with manslaughter, though he appears to
have beaten that sentence. Then in nineteen

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eighty one, while living in Tarban, he was handed a six month sentence

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for minor infractions. There are almost
twenty years where Turcott does not appear to

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have been in trouble with the law. Then suddenly, in nineteen ninety seven,

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he resurfaces and San calik'st area where
he was charged with theft. The

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legal process for the murder of Diantibou
started after his arrest in late November nineteen

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seventy eight, and it dragged out
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with the judge's final decision not delivered
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nineteen seventy nine. Charbonneau and Turcott
stuck together all through that There would have

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been telephone conversations and meetings for almost
half a year. Through this process,

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Turcott was incarcerated in the Parthenay jail
at the Set Duquebec's headquarters near the Jacques

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Cartier Bridge. Then all at once, he was set free in mid May

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nineteen seventy nine. Two and a
half months later, Nicole Gudreau was found

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murdered in an alleyway near the Plateau. But Gudreau isn't murdered on just any

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Montreal summer night. She's found on
August third, nineteen seventy nine, almost

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exactly four years from the date of
the murder of Diantibou. Would Edmund Turcott

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have celebrated his release from incarceration for
the murder of di'antibou by murdering another woman

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on the anniversary of the killing,
That's my question. Nicole Gudreau spent the

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evening of August second at a bar
called Baltimore at the corner of Sank Hubert

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in Ontario. Like Tibau, Gudreau
was severely beaten, then transported from a

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domicile to an open area, in
Goudreau's case, an alley, which was

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also an abandoned lot. Really it
was a field, and she was left

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there to die. Like Dian Tibou. At the time, Montreal police hypothesized

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that either she was attacked on the
street by a stranger between the Baltimore and

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her destination two blocks away on Rue
Saint Andre, or her assailant had been

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drinking with her at the Baltimore and
the two left the bar together. This

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second scenario matches Turcot having partied with
Tibeau at the Rodeo before taking her back

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to a rooming house and assaulted her. Six years later, Francine da Silva

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is also on her way home after
dark. Like Nicole Goudreaux, she too

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has been out that evening. She
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Mount Royal and Saint Denis, and
the two part ways at Saint Denis and

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Duluth, with Francine making her way
on foot back to her apartment at Saint

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ANDREI and Yes, Saint Andre is
the same street where police found Goudreau's blood

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and belongings the night she was murdered. Francine's apartment is a mere two blocks

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from what is thought to have been
the place when Nicole was attacked. Francine

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doesn't make it back to Saint Andrei. In fact, at Sherbrooke and Saint

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Andrew, she continues on the main
artery of Sherbrooke, over shooting where she

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lived on Saint dre perhaps because at
this point she knew she was being followed

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and she wanted to remain in the
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At Rue Saint Timothy, she's attacked, Francine is dragged into the alley behind

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the apartment building at nine zero two
Sherbrooke Street East, where she is raped

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and stabbed repeatedly. Early in the
process, police focused on a suspect name

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Raymond Charette. When arrested, Sharette's
clothes had evidence of blood on it.

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A second victim of an attack on
the same day that Francine was murdered came

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forward and told police she was waiting
for a bus on Rue mont Royale when

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she was forced into a vehicle by
a man with a knife. Alleged to

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have been Sharette alleged to have been
Sharette. They drove around for a while

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on the plateau, and Sharette eventually
let her out of the vehicle. Sharette

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was ever charged with Da Silva's murder. All of this is getting a little

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heady with streets and locations and dates. I will remind you again they're on

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the website. There is a map. The Dean Tibou plot points from seventy

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five are marked in blue, the
Nicole Goodreau plot points from nineteen seventy nine

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are marked in red, and then
finally the Da Silva geographic points from nineteen

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eighty five are marked in green and
kind of a geographic profile. And you

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know, if if you're not going
to go to the map, I'll just

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tell you that the Tibou location is
is not contiguous with the other two.

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It's it's it's a little it's a
little east. But but Da Silva's and

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Goodreau's overlap. Those geographic points overlap
with each other. So I know we're

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dealing with an extraordinarily long timeline ten
years seventy five to eighty five, yet

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ten years three murders. However,
I'm just pointing out possibilities. I'm not

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saying I know this. I don't
know anything. I'm just pointing out possibilities.

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So go to the website RISA la
dot com. T h R E

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s A A L l o R
E point come concerning what happened to Francine

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da Silva. Over the years,
others have offered theories. Christian Gravener from

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Kolopolis suggested to me rather recently that
her murder could have been committed by Augustino

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Ferrari, Quebec serial killer convicted of
the nineteen ninety rape and murder of Claire

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Sampson and Danielle Laplunt. Fierre is
an excellent candidate. In nineteen ninety five,

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he sexually assaulted to women in an
apartment at Barrie and Ontario, one

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block west of the Baltimore, where
Nicole Goudreau was last seen in August seventy

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nine. However, there's an age
problem here. Fierra was born in sixty

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four. He would have been sixteen
when Goudreaux was murdered. Not out of

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the question. My bigger issue is
his mo Fierra committed his assaults indoors.

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Thibougudreau and Silva were all found outdoors. And this is the same problem as

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when producers of the TV series the
Quebec television series s Latras sur letras dun

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tour tried to suggest that William Fife
was responsible for all of the downtown murders

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in the Montreals in this evanies and
it's a bit like throwing a ubiquitous sleuthing

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blanket over the whole mess. Right, Fife's MO was strictly daytime, indoors,

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ruse entry and usually older women.
Whoever killed Thibou, Gudreaux and DaSilva

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was a nightcrawler. Fife's not our
guy. Who could be our guy is

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Edmund Turcott. He is often in
the right place at the right time.

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He confessed to a murder with a
very similar MO to those of Gudreau and

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Da Silva outdoors encounters, on streets
or in bars. Whoever killed Gudreau did

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it on the anniversary date of Tibo's
murder, almost like a punctuation mark,

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saying I got away with murder.
And Turcott appeared to have gang or gangster

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affiliated protection. He certainly had a
high powered lawyer on his side, a

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man who later rose to prominence as
a defender of the hell Angels in some

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of their most infamous cases in the
province of Quebec. Turcotte rarely served time

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for his convictions. Usually he was
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something a high powered lawyer could manufacture. When we catch up with Turcott nearly

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twenty years later, he's living in
Saint Calixt, an area well known for

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Hell's Angel's inhabitants. And there's one
more thing that makes Edmund Turcott unique.

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He had an association with the assassinated
mob lawyer Frank Shuffy. One of the

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most interesting things about Francine da Silva's
murder on October eighteenth, nineteen eighty five

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is that three days earlier, Frank
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eighty five. And not only that, Shufy's law office, on the fifth

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floor of that apartment building on Rue
Charier, is two blocks from the alley

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where Da Silva was stabbed to death. Standing at the entrance of that alley

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on Saint Timothy, you can see
Shufi's building in the distance. Up on

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the hill. Edmund Turcott new Frank
Schufi at his interrogation for the murder of

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Diantibaux on November twenty third, nineteen
seventy eight. The first thing Turcott tells

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the corner and police is my lawyers
are not here this morning. They are

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supposed to arrive this afternoon, mister
Shufi and Charbonneau. So this is the

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same thing that played out two years
later where Shuffie and Charbonneau initially shared a

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case, but Charbonneaux eventually ended up
holding the bag for Frank. Recall a

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case real Charboneau was charged with contempt
of court for failing to show up to

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represent his client, a man accused
of kidnapping and rape of a thirteen year

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old. Charbonneau alleged that the arrow
was due to a mix up with his

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legal associate, Frank Shuffy. Charbonneau
and Shuffy often worked on cases together in

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this era, and in this case, Shufy decided that Charbonneau would represent the

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case of the pedophile solo. The
one problem was that Chuffy had failed to

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notify Charbonneau and he had drawn the
shortest straw in this fair. Something like

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that might have irked Charbonneau. In
fact, it could have pissed him right

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off. Over the years, there's
been a lot of speculation about the motive

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for Frank Shouffy's assassination, and the
consensus appears to be that it was a

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mob hit. Quebec crime writer Shell
Oje has written that it was likely mobsters

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were the killers of Shuffy, with
Claude Grant, an attorney who articled under

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Frank, adding that the Montreal Underworld
had a contract out on Shufi a year

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before the actual murder. It's a
little complicated, but at its heart,

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Shofy had influence on the Hilton family. Not the Hotel Hilton's, not Conrad

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Hilton. This was a family of
boxers. The Hiltons were set to sign

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an agreement with American boxing promoter Don
King. Shuffy publicly advised against this,

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which put him in the crosshairs of
Montreal mafia boss Frank Katroni. Frank Katroni,

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who was representing the Hiltons, wanted
the deal with Don King to go

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through. Katroni was on the verge
of being extradited to Connecticut on charges of

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airwin trafficking. He needed the money
to pay for his legal defense, and

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by the way, his lawyer was
Sidney Leathman, who we've already met Schufy

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was becoming too much of a nuisance
for Frank Katroni, so he put a

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contract out for Frank's murder. There's
also a theory that the hit on Shuffy

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had nothing to do with the Katronis, but everyone does agree that it was

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a mob hit. When a contract
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that contract, and we've seen an
example of how this can be carried out

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whor was carried out in that era. In nineteen sixty nine, a Sherbrooke

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businessman wanted his partner and the Pats
Fried Chicken franchise murdered, so he ordered

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a contract out on Roland Jaguarre to
be carried out by a local hood named

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Yavan Charlin. Charlin then had two
thugs, the brothers Regis and Jean Claude

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la Chause, execute that contract for
ten thousand dollars allegedly, so if Frank

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Katroni wanted someone murdered in nineteen eighty
five, he might do something similar.

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He'd ordered a contract for the murder
of Frank Shuffy and then someone would find

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a low level guy to carry that
out for five thousand or ten thousand dollars.

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We've also seen how lawyers like Sidney
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and how the lawyer Rayal Charbonneau was
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He was sentenced for forging a false
affidavid about the bombing of an apartment

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building on demezen Of Boulevard in nineteen
eighty four that killed four people, a

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document which he said Sidney Leathman grew
up. There's an element of geographic profiling

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to this theory. It suggests that
criminals habitually stick to familiar territory. Turcott

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hunted in the area around Sherbrooke and
Saint Andre because he had dealings in that

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area as early as nineteen seventy eight, where one of his lawyers was officed.

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Then he ended up assassinating that lawyer. This is not unlike the urban

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section around King and Wellington and Sherbrooke, Quebec, Regis La Chasse, Jeannie

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Charlin and Luke Gregoire they all lived
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It's where they partied at the Moulin
Rouge, which was like the Rodeo

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where Jutan's and Atum Gang clubhouses were
located. Where some of them committed Arson's

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abductions maybe murders. It's also where
the criminal courts are located, like Turcotte

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periodically visiting Shuffi La Chasse, Charlin
and Gregoire spent many days in court hearings

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in the same area where they committed
their crimes. There's a nagging component to

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all of this that I'm omitting,
possibly that I should admit, but it

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keeps kind of tugging at my pant
legs. So I'm just gonna bring it

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up, probably regret it. But
it's phone calls. There's this odd theme

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of anonymous phone calls in this narrative. Then they probably mean nothing, but

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I'm nosy by nature. So here
it is Turcott's brother in law, Roger

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Moreau, remember him. He makes
the anonymous phone call to the police saying,

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if you're looking for Dion, look
for Edmund Turcott. Then he hangs

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up. There's also the anonymous phone
call that was made in the case of

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Nicole Goodreau's murder from seventy nine.
Somebody called up and stated, I just

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killed a woman. You'll find it
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Then hung up, and I'm not
done. The English language newspaper The

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Gazette received a call after the Shoofy
murder, where the caller explained, I

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and my colleague have assassinated Frank Shuffy
good Writtens. Now they also claim an

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affiliation with the Red Army Liberation Front
is something everyone believes to have been like

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a ruse to throw police off the
trail of the real killer. So there's

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all these calls, and I guess
I'm bringing this up because two years before

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the Gaudreau murder, someone called the
police after the Montreal murder of Catherine Hawks

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in nineteen seventy seven, saying almost
the exact same thing as the Goodrow case.

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He explained that he had killed a
woman and where they could find the

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body. If you're looking for the
whole Catherine Hawk's story, I don't have

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time to go into it today,
but it's linked on the site terseller dot

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com. And one final thought before
I kind of draw this whole, it's

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this whole package. To a conclusion, I reached out to Raal Charbonneau,

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the attorney for this story, and
he replied once confirming his law office today

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is located in Old Montreal, and
then he ignored all my subsequent emails and

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from messages, I give you my
affection bills and bills. But far I

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suggest that someone got word to Edmund
Turcott that he could make some fast money

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by carrying out the contract killing of
Frank Shufy, the execution of a man

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he knew. He had most likely
been to the office on rouch Arhier on

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numerous occasions. He was familiar with
the area. He possibly murdered Nicole Gudreau

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in that vicinity in nineteen seventy nine
on the anniversary of the murder of Diantibau,

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and he was there again just three
days later after Shufi's murder, when

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he most likely stabbed and sexually assaulted
Francine da Silva. So in this theory,

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the values are Shufi, Da Silva, Gudreau and Thibout. Solving for

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X requires moving the Turcot variable to
the other side and seeing if the two

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sides add up. But solving for
X has more significant implications. Do you

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recognize the pattern where X are Quebec
unsolved murders than on the other side.

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We have all these broad themes,
these variables, biker and gang activity,

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police forces unwilling to go the distance
to solve murders, the destruction of case

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evidence, innocent women caught in the
crosshairs of gang members, extra curricular activities,

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lawyers, cutting corners and cutting deals
corners, making deals with lawyers,

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weak, easily manipulated judges. We
see it here with Turcott Da Silva,

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Gudreaux Thibaut, and we've seen it
before the murder of Teresa Martin and the

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involvement of bikers, the murder of
Teresa Lore and Roland Shaguere and Carol Fecteau

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and Regis le Chase, also a
gang member. All of this is speculation,

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but after decades with Montreal and Quebec
police seemingly taking no interest, showing

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no curiosity in this criminal investigative affair, speculation is a weapon of last resort.

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Someone needs to lift a finger and
at least try to bring some sense

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of conclusion to these unsolved murders.
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Just um um, you know,
kind of kind of my last word.

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If someone were to ask me,
do you have any final thoughts,

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any additional thoughts on the murder of
Francine da Silva. That's what I would

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offer, and Nicole Gergreau and and
Diantibou and then has a bonus Frank Shufy

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of all people this has been,
who killed Teresa? I'm your host,

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John Alore. Have yourselves great great
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gonna let you play in the I
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bit better. I pray space sky
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and I had a day. Now
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Now? Death by baby version fancialize
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time, I'm s you mind the
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