1 00:00:02,080 --> 00:00:06,120 Well off of a weekend that saw some knockouts in Tampa, that saw some 2 00:00:06,200 --> 00:00:11,880 knockouts in Tokyo, that has some fight news that has some nostalgia involving Hall 3 00:00:11,919 --> 00:00:14,400 of Fame names. We are ready to go over it all. It is 4 00:00:14,480 --> 00:00:20,120 the Fight Preach Unite Recap podcast. I am the somewhat rested good lord. 5 00:00:20,239 --> 00:00:24,399 It was a long night and post fight as we do this on Sunday, 6 00:00:25,120 --> 00:00:29,120 somewhat rested, somewhat competent host TJ Reeves. He is our insider Dan Rayphiel 7 00:00:29,679 --> 00:00:33,280 Big Fight Weekend insider, but also Fight Freaks Unite is his substack. Why 8 00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:37,119 are you not subscribing? Why you're not on the newsletter? Get Dan's inside, 9 00:00:37,159 --> 00:00:39,759 his thoughts on the fights, his news, his reporting, all of 10 00:00:39,799 --> 00:00:44,039 it. Good to be with you, my friend. I will say this, 11 00:00:44,439 --> 00:00:47,520 lots of KOs to talk about on the pod as we bring you in. 12 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:51,320 How are things coming off the weekend? I'm good. You guys in 13 00:00:51,359 --> 00:00:54,320 Tampa there had yourself a nice little show in Tampa that you attended. I 14 00:00:54,359 --> 00:00:56,320 got to watch that on TV, but I got to go to bed, 15 00:00:56,359 --> 00:01:00,039 you know, kind of quick afterwards. It did take a while for the 16 00:01:00,079 --> 00:01:03,000 press conference for everything to get done, and look, these are first world 17 00:01:03,039 --> 00:01:04,840 problems. I'm in my town, you know, like when you cover a 18 00:01:04,879 --> 00:01:07,879 fight in your area, so it's not you know, back to a hotel, 19 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:11,680 back to an airplane, an air travel being a nightmare. But I 20 00:01:11,959 --> 00:01:17,719 didn't hit the reeves of state until well after three am. The got in 21 00:01:17,760 --> 00:01:19,159 the bed and then got up this morning with the family and the whole bit. 22 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:23,879 And here we are on a Sunday evening doing the pod to recap all 23 00:01:23,879 --> 00:01:26,480 of it. By the way, make sure you're following. Subscribing to this 24 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:30,439 podcast feed Apple, Spreaker, Spotify, you get twice the ray Field, 25 00:01:30,439 --> 00:01:33,879 twice the fun. We preview going into the weekend Thursday night and to Friday. 26 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:38,159 We recap coming off on Sunday night into Monday, and you get all 27 00:01:38,239 --> 00:01:42,200 kinds of great interviews and conversations to that in Todd Grisham off the play by 28 00:01:42,239 --> 00:01:46,359 play call on de Zone of the MVP Promotions Card. We'll be right here 29 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:49,760 on the pod after you and I recapped the fights in Tampa. I just 30 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:53,959 spoke with him earlier on Sunday evening. You know, I don't have the 31 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:57,439 clout that Rayfaield has. This just into the newsroom breaking news, so they 32 00:01:57,519 --> 00:02:02,319 had the media in a different section from where the ringside commentators were, and 33 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:08,000 I could not unlike hul Cogan who was in attendance once you gotta do, 34 00:02:08,199 --> 00:02:12,960 brother, he had the cloud to get by Grisham and sit ringside reeves on 35 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:15,719 his credential. Couldn't get near Grisham to do the interview last night. But 36 00:02:15,719 --> 00:02:19,759 we've done it tonight and he recaps some of the fights here a little bit, 37 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:23,360 but that's after you and I go back and forth. I will say 38 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:27,639 at the outset here that I sent this message to you and I put it 39 00:02:27,719 --> 00:02:30,560 on social media. I got in the arena just after eight thirty Eastern time, 40 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:35,879 and Tampa has been a fight town for decades. It was full, 41 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:39,719 brother, and you'll hear Grisham verify the same thing. It was full audience 42 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:44,960 at a thirty before the pay per view, before the first and then they 43 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:47,919 announced at the postfight press conference and Nikisa Madarian, who is the you know, 44 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:53,560 the co founder of MVP and Jake Paul's partner, business partner, that 45 00:02:54,080 --> 00:03:00,319 they sold it out like seventeen five hundred and what makes that remarkable, I 46 00:03:00,319 --> 00:03:02,439 mean crazy remarkable. I mean it's one thing. Jake's a big name, 47 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:06,560 and he draws fans love him or hat him. He draws people, you 48 00:03:06,599 --> 00:03:08,120 know, as the old saying goes tj that he puts asses in seats. 49 00:03:08,520 --> 00:03:15,280 But the thing that makes it more impressive than your run of the mill event, 50 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:19,360 so to speak, is that they only had four weeks to do this. 51 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:23,240 Remember Tyson and Jake Paul were supposed to fight Saturday night in Arlington, 52 00:03:23,319 --> 00:03:30,080 Texas. Tyson had the situation with his ulcer come up in the first week 53 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:32,159 of June. Then they didn't know exactly what they're going to do. It 54 00:03:32,159 --> 00:03:37,240 took a little while to get it situated. So then it took like a 55 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:38,560 couple of weeks and then they announced that they were going to stay on the 56 00:03:38,639 --> 00:03:42,960 dates. So they really only had really like about a month and change or 57 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:46,080 so four weeks to promote the event. And so, you know, when 58 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:50,319 you do a big, big event, you know, or a pay per 59 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:53,000 view, you don't four weeks is very very compressed in terms of the timing. 60 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:55,639 You know, they had to make new fights, status, rejigger the 61 00:03:55,719 --> 00:04:00,479 undercard. They had to switch from being an AT and T Stadium to UH 62 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:03,520 the Arena and Tampa, so you know, you got to give props to 63 00:04:03,560 --> 00:04:06,479 the whole team over there for for pulling off the event and by the way, 64 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:11,360 making it in the end, you know, an entertaining show, which 65 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:14,560 we're gonna talk about. I mean, I know that people sometimes they rail 66 00:04:14,639 --> 00:04:18,560 against it, they absolutely hate this, but you cannot deny that it brings 67 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:23,680 eyeballs. It puts people in their arenas where they do these events to fights 68 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:27,079 they not they may not be at the highest level, but as long as 69 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:30,480 you know that there's nothing wrong with that. I thought that Tyson rather the 70 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:35,399 Perry and Paul main event was extremely entertaining. Yeah, I thoroughly enjoyed it. 71 00:04:35,439 --> 00:04:38,560 And even that, you know, we'll get to the Serrano fight. 72 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:42,959 Even that beatdown was you know, exciting just because we haven't seen Serranto with 73 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:44,879 a knockout in a long time. And you know, we'll get to the 74 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:47,120 whole thing. But it was all told. There were some some clunkers also, 75 00:04:47,199 --> 00:04:50,199 but it was it was it was worth the uh, it was worth 76 00:04:50,199 --> 00:04:54,079 the time. And they were very smart with this, and we said this 77 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:57,040 going into the weekend, not only on this podcast, but the bet US 78 00:04:57,160 --> 00:05:00,920 Boxing show. By the way, should I mention here reeves five and off 79 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:02,800 of this week four and oh last week. That's nine for nine. I'm 80 00:05:02,839 --> 00:05:05,879 making you money, peeps, I'm savages. I'm making you money. On 81 00:05:05,879 --> 00:05:10,519 the bet Us Show. Usually it's Rayphiel cashing your tickets. But I had 82 00:05:10,519 --> 00:05:14,120 a big weekend again on the bet Us Show. But we mentioned they made 83 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:17,759 the tickets affordable, and I can tell you coming into the arena that instead 84 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:23,560 of charging fifty or sixty or seventy dollars to sit in the third level and 85 00:05:23,639 --> 00:05:28,600 have the third level be a third full, they charged around twenty bucks for 86 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:32,120 most of the third level seats and it was full at the jump when the 87 00:05:32,120 --> 00:05:38,199 pay per view began. So I don't know what the live gate insoj Yeah, 88 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:42,000 even if they did those tickets at a boxing match, it wonn't be 89 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:45,040 told up at the beginning of the cart, right. That's just a different 90 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:47,920 kind of When you'll hear Todd Grisham, you've done this one hundred times, 91 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:50,519 you've done it a thousand times. Todd Grisham says the same thing. He 92 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:55,360 goes all these fights that I've been working, he goes, it's never full 93 00:05:55,519 --> 00:06:00,160 four hours before the main event. So Tampa showed out as a fight town 94 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:02,000 and again a different class. Nothing. But here's the thing, TJ. 95 00:06:02,079 --> 00:06:05,279 It's really nothing to do with Tampa. I have covered fights all over the 96 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:11,519 United States of America, all every nook and cranny of this country. Doesn't 97 00:06:11,519 --> 00:06:15,600 matter where you are, the fans do not show up until the real quote 98 00:06:15,639 --> 00:06:20,040 unquote the main event fights start. Now. If you're in a location and 99 00:06:20,079 --> 00:06:24,800 you've got a local attraction, or it's an ethnic kind of fight, or 100 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:27,879 you know some type of young fighter from the region that's you know, in 101 00:06:27,959 --> 00:06:31,480 a turning pro or has a distinct fan base, they'll show for his fight. 102 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:34,560 I can remember. I'll take Barclay Center as an example. When Adam 103 00:06:34,639 --> 00:06:38,639 Kanaki, the heavy we was coming up. He had a big fan base 104 00:06:38,639 --> 00:06:41,519 in the Polish community. But Adam was not fighting on the top of the 105 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:44,079 cart. He might be fighting like in the third or fourth fight of the 106 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:46,879 night, and you know what, by then you look around and there'd be 107 00:06:46,959 --> 00:06:49,319 like, you know, two thousand Polish fans wearing their red and white waving 108 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:53,639 their flags because of him. That happens in local places, but the rest 109 00:06:53,639 --> 00:06:57,639 of the arena was still basically empty. Jake's events are different, That's all 110 00:06:57,680 --> 00:07:01,120 You can say yeah, and again, I'm a crowd, a younger crowd, 111 00:07:01,199 --> 00:07:03,680 a lot of it. So it's just interesting to be part of the 112 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:06,240 atmosphere, all right. So let's get to the card and again we'll hear 113 00:07:06,279 --> 00:07:11,519 from Todd Grisham in a little bit. So let's start at the top with 114 00:07:11,560 --> 00:07:17,800 the Paul win over Mike Perry. My thought is, being in the arena, 115 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:24,079 this could have been over very quickly. Paul got the knockdown. To 116 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:28,639 his credit, Perry was a tough guy. I thought Jake Paul got tired. 117 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:30,680 We'll get into that a little bit. It kind of ebbed and flowed. 118 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:34,560 There's reasons why, and then eventually he got the knockout. It was 119 00:07:34,639 --> 00:07:39,439 electric in the building. There were there was I believe it was a pro 120 00:07:39,639 --> 00:07:43,639 Perry crowd. They're chanting Perry Perry all over the building. I don't know 121 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:46,360 how well that came across on the Dizonne pay per view. So it was 122 00:07:46,399 --> 00:07:49,399 interesting is it bled into the fourth round, the fifth round, and Jake's 123 00:07:49,399 --> 00:07:51,759 trying to get him out of there and eventually he did. All Right, 124 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:57,120 your thoughts watching it there through the Dezonne pay per view and what you thought 125 00:07:57,199 --> 00:08:00,399 of the of the Jake Paul win Well. I remember here, Jake, 126 00:08:00,399 --> 00:08:03,120 call, tell me an our interview that we played on the podcast. He 127 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:05,279 was gonna get a first round knockout. And then I saw some of his 128 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:07,600 comments in the lead up during fight week, in the promotional stuff, in 129 00:08:07,639 --> 00:08:11,000 the press conference and different other interviews. I'm getting a first round knockout, 130 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:15,680 first round knockout, and you know, and then he scored a big knockdown 131 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:16,360 in the first round with the right hand. I'm like, well, he's 132 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:22,120 gonna, you know, make the prophecy come true because Mike Perry tough dude. 133 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:26,600 Nothing but respect for Mike Perry in terms of the toughness and the heart, 134 00:08:26,319 --> 00:08:31,399 just does not have the size or the skills to compete with Jake. 135 00:08:31,439 --> 00:08:35,279 Now, not to say Jake is gonna make anybody forget about the guys at 136 00:08:35,279 --> 00:08:37,440 the top of the pound for poundless in terms of his skills, but you 137 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:41,639 know, he's freaking Parnel Whitaker compared to Mike Perry. Let's be right, 138 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:45,360 Jones, I mean, Floyd Mayweather, Manny Patkal, guys like that. 139 00:08:45,919 --> 00:08:48,879 Here's the thing, though, Perry has got a big heart and he you 140 00:08:48,919 --> 00:08:52,080 know, knock him down he's gonna pop right back up. So he got 141 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:54,200 knocked down in that first round, he got right back up, but he 142 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:58,159 took heavy damage during that fight. His I got busted up. He got 143 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:01,879 dropped three times total, and even in the one round, I forget he's 144 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:05,919 even though he was So that's what I gonna say. So he was taking 145 00:09:05,960 --> 00:09:11,039 punishment and even getting damaged like that. He was the one in that third 146 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:15,440 round, as you mentioned, that was you know, walking walking him down, 147 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:18,519 coming to him and and and landed a few decent shots. But I 148 00:09:18,519 --> 00:09:22,000 didn't really ever think that Jake was in danger of being like badly heard or 149 00:09:22,080 --> 00:09:26,639 knocked down or or or stopped for that matter. Uh, you know, 150 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:28,279 he kind of shook that off. And when he came back. You know, 151 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:33,759 Jake had his right hand that Perry could not avoid. He landed upper 152 00:09:33,799 --> 00:09:37,240 cuts and body shots and jabs. I mean, he just was like wobbly. 153 00:09:37,279 --> 00:09:39,200 It's like with every punch basically, you know. And at the end 154 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:43,159 of I think it was what the fourth round where it looked like the referee 155 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:46,320 was going to jump in there with about thirty seconds left and stop the fight. 156 00:09:46,399 --> 00:09:50,200 That was a very big round, uh, you know for Jake you 157 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:54,120 know, even in around without a knockdown. So it was one of those 158 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:58,559 fights where highly entertaining, tremendous entertainment value, lots of fireworks, but an 159 00:09:58,600 --> 00:10:01,879 absolut ass whooping, you know, of the highest order. And in the 160 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:05,320 end, you know, when he when he started punishing there in round six, 161 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:09,639 knocked him down for the third time. You know, he again he 162 00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:11,320 caught up tough as nails. Man got to give him credit. But the 163 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:15,279 referee, uh, you know, did a good job and obviously he stopped 164 00:10:15,279 --> 00:10:16,879 the fight properly. And that was all she wrote, and you know, 165 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:20,519 did to Mike Perry's credit. TJ when he was doing uh Jake was doing 166 00:10:20,519 --> 00:10:24,600 the interview with Ariel Hawani and and Mike Perry was standing there with him, 167 00:10:24,639 --> 00:10:28,080 and you know, he's like, look, I was trying to trying to 168 00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:30,440 roll with those punches and what he say, hits your ass back, but 169 00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:33,559 you're just too fast, right and uh and uh, I just couldn't. 170 00:10:33,559 --> 00:10:35,559 I couldn't deal with the speed. And that's that was being truthful. He 171 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:39,600 was smaller, he wasn't as quick, and uh. You know, what 172 00:10:39,639 --> 00:10:41,840 it does make you think though about this is what if Mike Perry had trained 173 00:10:41,879 --> 00:10:46,360 as a boxer from the beginning of his combat career or when he was a 174 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:48,679 kid. What he could have accomplished. He just obviously got in bad habits 175 00:10:50,159 --> 00:10:52,720 and didn't have the I don't think the right training for boxing. He had 176 00:10:52,759 --> 00:10:56,519 some element of success in mma, it's a different sport even though there's similarities, 177 00:10:56,759 --> 00:11:00,919 and then he took that and did things like try had combat. Now 178 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:05,039 he's obviously a big deal in the bare knuckle championships. But if you had 179 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:09,759 taken those types of things that you do well and your mentality and your heart, 180 00:11:09,759 --> 00:11:11,960 and you had trained specifically in boxing, maybe he could have done something 181 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:16,639 and been like I would say, like around a light heavyweight. But at 182 00:11:16,639 --> 00:11:20,840 this stage of his career and his age, you know, he has obviously 183 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:22,919 zero future as a boxer. But I'll watch him if he fought again, 184 00:11:22,919 --> 00:11:26,559 because he's got a big art and he made a chunk of money, and 185 00:11:28,159 --> 00:11:31,000 they were grateful. They were all grateful for him hyping the fight. Nikis 186 00:11:31,039 --> 00:11:35,960 Sabaderian Jake Paul mentioned that again in the postfight press conference that Perry did the 187 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:39,360 best he could to help sell it. A lot of what you were seeing, 188 00:11:39,519 --> 00:11:41,399 we know this was to try to sell the fight, sell the pay 189 00:11:41,399 --> 00:11:43,919 per view, and Dan, I don't know if there's one hundred thousand people 190 00:11:43,919 --> 00:11:46,200 that watch the pay per view. There probably was. I don't know how 191 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:50,799 many watched the pay per view, but you definitely you got your money's worth 192 00:11:50,840 --> 00:11:54,279 out of the main event because they were trading and Mike Perry didn't go down. 193 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:56,720 And we're gonna talk about a fight where a fighter went down on the 194 00:11:56,720 --> 00:11:58,960 first punch and didn't get back up in the Japanese card, Mike Perry didn't 195 00:11:58,960 --> 00:12:01,039 go down the first punch and stay down. So you at least had some 196 00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:03,360 action in the main event. You know. In terms of what the numbers 197 00:12:03,399 --> 00:12:05,360 would do on pay per view, I mean, I'd be shocked if it 198 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:09,320 was less than one hundred thousand. And I say that because Jake has that 199 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:11,200 type of audience. I remember this. You know, this was a DI 200 00:12:11,320 --> 00:12:15,440 zone pay per view, so if you were a subscriber to the Zone, 201 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:18,320 you obviously could purchase it on the Zone, and they were offering a discount 202 00:12:18,639 --> 00:12:22,399 for subscribers and that sort of thing. But keep in mind also it was 203 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:28,639 also widely available on all your normal uh uh television, cable, satellite, 204 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:33,240 PPV, DOT com Uh so it was. It was it was not like 205 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:35,320 you there were times where you could pretty much only buy it on his own 206 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:39,200 pay per view, and they might do like a soft thing on linear TV, 207 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:41,279 but they didn't even tell you about it. You've got to kind of 208 00:12:41,279 --> 00:12:43,000 find it by accident. But this was promoted as a pay per view, 209 00:12:43,559 --> 00:12:46,559 Uh you know again, they did it in a very short period of time 210 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:50,600 in terms of the window that promoted because of the postponement of the Tyson Jake 211 00:12:50,639 --> 00:12:54,519 Paul fight. But I suspect this probably did pretty decent business based on that, 212 00:12:56,200 --> 00:12:58,559 and uh, you know again, a lot the pay per view. 213 00:12:58,600 --> 00:13:01,080 I think you got your I mean, you got your your money's worth for 214 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:03,960 the most part. We'll get to the other knockouts here in just a second, 215 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:07,440 just a little bit of the post fight aftermath. I thought this was 216 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:09,799 interesting in the ring, and I said to a couple of media media people 217 00:13:09,799 --> 00:13:13,600 around me, Jake Paul kind of lets something slip out, maybe intentionally unintentionally, 218 00:13:13,639 --> 00:13:18,360 when he said about the Mike Tyson fight, Mike signed the contract. 219 00:13:18,720 --> 00:13:24,080 I thought that was interesting because what that alludes to is because they had to 220 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:31,840 change the venue date and new terms of some kind for November, apparently Tyson, 221 00:13:31,960 --> 00:13:33,759 but then he you know, he played it off and kept saying I 222 00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:35,480 look forward to fighting him, and I know Mike wants to fight blah blah 223 00:13:35,519 --> 00:13:39,600 blah. I thought that was interesting. I think what that probably is. 224 00:13:39,639 --> 00:13:43,480 I don't know this for a fact, but just my experience that because the 225 00:13:43,559 --> 00:13:48,399 fight was in June supposed to be or I take it back, rather typically 226 00:13:48,559 --> 00:13:52,159 if there's a rescheduling, well, first of all, most contracts, especially 227 00:13:52,159 --> 00:13:56,399 of a fight of that level and that magnitude, would have rescheduling language that 228 00:13:56,440 --> 00:14:01,399 the promoter has the right to reschedule for whatever the reasons are. Usually it's 229 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:03,200 you know, could be sixty days, could be ninety days. I suspect 230 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:07,080 because the fight was supposed to be in July and the new date is not 231 00:14:07,159 --> 00:14:11,399 till November, that that November date is, is, my hypothesis, is 232 00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:16,639 outside of that window of that contract cause, which would require new documents to 233 00:14:16,639 --> 00:14:22,440 be signed. That's my impression. So that's sort of what I feel about 234 00:14:22,480 --> 00:14:24,679 that. No, I mean, maybe I'm wrong about that, but I 235 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:28,039 still think this fight's whether it will actually happen in the ring or not, 236 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:31,120 you know, who knows, but of course they were going, they're going 237 00:14:31,159 --> 00:14:33,440 to move forward with the events as Print promoted and put it on and you 238 00:14:33,480 --> 00:14:35,679 know, we'll see what happens ultimately in November, all right. And then 239 00:14:35,720 --> 00:14:39,639 another interesting thing from Jake. He said in the ring, and he followed 240 00:14:39,720 --> 00:14:41,679 up in the postfight press conference because I was sitting there fifteen feet from it, 241 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:46,360 that he came into the fight with an injured knuckle on the right hand. 242 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:50,919 And here we go with that is the concern about a future fight of 243 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:52,879 could there be some kind of Andrey, I don't think that. It's not 244 00:14:54,039 --> 00:14:56,759 till November. I understand that. But when he revealed that, you're like 245 00:14:56,799 --> 00:15:01,399 okay, and then and then a couple of follow up questions were interesting that 246 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:03,360 you know, was the right hand bothering you because you were flicking the jab 247 00:15:03,399 --> 00:15:07,360 and using the jab so much like in the fourth round, the fifth round, 248 00:15:07,639 --> 00:15:09,480 et cetera. And he said, no, I was just trying to 249 00:15:09,480 --> 00:15:13,799 measure him with the jab. So that's just another interesting component. I don't 250 00:15:13,799 --> 00:15:16,799 think the hand was giving him trouble because he landed like right hands if it 251 00:15:16,919 --> 00:15:20,240 was landed a bunch, and he landed a bunch in the sixth and final 252 00:15:20,320 --> 00:15:22,200 round. Two. Yeah, if he was, if he was that dinged 253 00:15:22,279 --> 00:15:24,480 up with the with the right hand, he wouldn't have thrown it as much. 254 00:15:24,519 --> 00:15:26,519 So you know, I'm not going to I know you sparred with some 255 00:15:26,559 --> 00:15:30,639 people on social media and this was this was a bit of a buzz to 256 00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:33,720 on. Hey, he was so much bigger than Mike Perry to begin with. 257 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:37,600 How much credit did we give him? I will say this and all 258 00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:39,080 of this is fair. And again, we're talking this up. They don't. 259 00:15:39,320 --> 00:15:43,120 They don't pay us to talk this fight up. We're just giving you 260 00:15:43,159 --> 00:15:46,720 this in the recap. They should shouldn't they they should, but they don't. 261 00:15:46,799 --> 00:15:50,399 MVP Promotion doesn't pay us. But while we're talking this up and we're 262 00:15:50,399 --> 00:15:54,679 giving you the the the analysis and insight that we both have. And I 263 00:15:54,759 --> 00:15:58,240 was there. I thought Jake Paul was tired in the third round. I 264 00:15:58,279 --> 00:16:00,320 thought he was tired again in the fifth round of this eighth round fight. 265 00:16:00,600 --> 00:16:03,519 How much of that is him knocking off a bunch of weight because he wanted 266 00:16:03,519 --> 00:16:07,000 to be heavier to fight Mike Tyson. How much of it was some illness 267 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:10,759 which that got brought up after the fight that he had been ill earlier in 268 00:16:10,799 --> 00:16:15,240 the week. He looked tired to me early on in that fight. He 269 00:16:15,279 --> 00:16:18,279 looked tired to me. Your thought on that, just real quick as we 270 00:16:18,279 --> 00:16:19,679 wrap it up and get to the other fights. I agree, And just 271 00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:25,679 imagine how tired Tyson's gonna look after thirty seconds at age fifty eight. So 272 00:16:26,399 --> 00:16:27,279 it is what it is. He powered through it. He did a good 273 00:16:27,360 --> 00:16:30,480 job and he got the win. Okay. So then we back up to 274 00:16:30,519 --> 00:16:34,639 the co feature fight where the seven division world champ A man's talk about. 275 00:16:34,639 --> 00:16:38,600 We called out the UFC light heavyweight champion, Alex Pereira. He called out 276 00:16:38,600 --> 00:16:44,159 everybody but Santa Claus at this point, and Connor McGregor's on social media going 277 00:16:44,200 --> 00:16:45,919 after him, and everybody's under the belief that that's because those two want to 278 00:16:45,960 --> 00:16:49,320 fight. Who knows. Hull Cogan again was ringside, but he's in his 279 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:52,519 seventies. I don't think that's next for Jake Paul. After the Mike Tyson 280 00:16:52,519 --> 00:16:56,320 fight, we'll find out, all right. So Serrano in the co feature 281 00:16:56,120 --> 00:17:00,759 again a classic case of a world class fighter against a fighter, let's be 282 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:06,440 honest, that was overmatched and I cannot I mean, we knew what Mike 283 00:17:06,480 --> 00:17:10,319 Perry was about just from his previous combat experience. There's plenty of video on 284 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:14,880 him from his UFC days, from his BKFC events, et cetera. So 285 00:17:15,279 --> 00:17:18,880 not an unknown commodity. Stevie Morgan was not knowing what her other than what 286 00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:22,480 we saw in her record. We didn't really have a lot of video footage. 287 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:25,920 And she was bigger, and she obviously has scored a bunch of knockguns. 288 00:17:25,960 --> 00:17:30,079 But she was And I don't have anything against her as a person. 289 00:17:30,119 --> 00:17:32,920 She might be the loveliest lady in the world and have a beautiful family and 290 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:36,880 be a great person, but strictly in terms of our abilities as a combat 291 00:17:37,119 --> 00:17:41,880 athlete, I don't disrespect the effort. But she just did not have any 292 00:17:41,920 --> 00:17:47,359 skills. I mean no offensive skills, no defensive skills, no head movement, 293 00:17:47,960 --> 00:17:53,279 no footwork. Seemed overwhelmed by the moment of the spotlight people there, 294 00:17:53,640 --> 00:17:56,279 so you could tell she was nervous lean up to the fight in terms of 295 00:17:56,319 --> 00:18:03,920 the press things that she was doing. And you know, the difference between 296 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:07,799 her level and the Amanda Serrano level is a chasm that might as well be 297 00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:12,079 the Grand Canyon times a billion. I mean Amanda Serrano quite literally. You 298 00:18:12,119 --> 00:18:17,039 could perhaps argue is the greatest female boxer of all time, not saying she 299 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:22,119 is, but she's in the conversation world titles in seven weight classes, fought 300 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:26,200 everybody up and down the scale for you know, fifteen years, massive amounts 301 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:32,160 of accomplishment, and Stevie Morgan that's knocking out. You know, people are 302 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:36,319 dragging off the street in Columbia in the first real unknowns yep. So I 303 00:18:36,440 --> 00:18:38,599 did think, and we talked about in our handicapping of the show on bett 304 00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:42,759 Us and the preview. I thought that Amanda Torano would absolutely dominate and take 305 00:18:42,759 --> 00:18:47,440 her apart. But I also thought she would hang in there for quite a 306 00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:48,960 while in the fight, just because of her bulk and because you know, 307 00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:52,640 you can kill two minute rounds pretty quickly relative to a three minute round, 308 00:18:52,799 --> 00:18:56,960 and that she'd be able to hang in there for a while. I was 309 00:18:56,000 --> 00:19:00,359 wrong about that because from the first on Twitter, like in the first thirty 310 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:03,960 seconds, you could see how one skilled she was. I should have written 311 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:07,400 in the first five seconds because the first punch was launched and you just knew 312 00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:10,920 she was like a deer in headlights. And uh, the fact that you 313 00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:12,079 even made it to the second round, I was kind of surprised, I 314 00:19:12,119 --> 00:19:17,200 asked him the first round, Yeah, I took I asked Amanda immediately after 315 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:18,839 the fight in the postfight press conference, I said, it's easy to say 316 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:22,839 it, but in the first minute, did you realize? And she she 317 00:19:22,839 --> 00:19:26,119 interrupted me and said, yes, I knew, size her up and take 318 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:30,279 advantage of what I'm seeing, and it's going to be a quick night. 319 00:19:30,519 --> 00:19:33,599 I'm paraphrasing, and it absolutely it was a quick night. I believe this 320 00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:37,799 would have been about a fourth or fifth round KO wear down or whatever. 321 00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:40,880 And there was some you know, some in the arena were booing when the 322 00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:45,240 when the referee jumped in between, but this was one of those what does 323 00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:48,119 she need to hit her ten more times? That was she took me so 324 00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:52,160 many clean punch I counted it was seventeen unanswered not all of them clean, 325 00:19:52,519 --> 00:19:55,960 not all of them landa, but seventeen unanswered punches. When the referee jumped 326 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:59,640 in on do you, I mean, do you really are we that much 327 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:03,640 of a of a sadistic gore factor boxing public that we need to see her 328 00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:07,400 get hit eight more times? It's over. It's obvious. So Jake had 329 00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:12,400 the Tyson fight riding on the outcome Serronto had the rematch with Katie Taylor riding 330 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:17,759 on the outcome going into the fight. We both agreed. I think everybody 331 00:20:17,799 --> 00:20:22,039 agreed that they were both huge favorites in their fights. If you could see 332 00:20:22,039 --> 00:20:25,960 an upset in either fight, you could probably more likely see Mike Perry pulling 333 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:30,920 the upset against Jake Paul than Morgan pulling the upset against Serrano. But say 334 00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:36,119 whatever you want about Perry and his lack of boxing skill, toughness aside, 335 00:20:37,279 --> 00:20:41,039 Stacy Stevie Morgan was like, not even at that level. She was like, 336 00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:44,920 I mean, I'm not trying to be mean, but she was kind 337 00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:48,880 of pathetic in her abilities, like it was a growth. It looks it 338 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:52,000 looked like a fighter that has been used to fighting one sided, one round 339 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:56,319 fights where she doesn't have to do anything other than come across the ring and 340 00:20:56,440 --> 00:21:00,160 land fairly quickly and the fight is over. And now now that you're in 341 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:03,039 with a world class fighter that can give you angles and movement and whatever, 342 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:07,519 you are lost with the capital l and the referee did the right thing, 343 00:21:07,559 --> 00:21:11,440 and Amanda even revealed and I don't know how much the TV audio picked it 344 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:14,880 up. Maybe you heard it that the referee was saying, Stevie, show 345 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:18,680 me something. Stevie showed me something. She could hear that when Amanda was 346 00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:21,759 pounding on her, and then they eventually stopped the fight. Okay, So 347 00:21:22,599 --> 00:21:26,480 in the end result was like nothing against her, But I'm glad that she 348 00:21:26,559 --> 00:21:29,000 knocked Morgan out because now we don't have to go with the nonsense. We're 349 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:30,240 gonna get the Taylor rematch. That's right. So that's right, and so 350 00:21:30,319 --> 00:21:33,440 that's the big that's the big thing. We're looking forward to that one. 351 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:37,799 Uh. And good and good for her that she was that she was part 352 00:21:37,839 --> 00:21:41,359 of this after what happened in Puerto Rico. I joked with you on the 353 00:21:41,359 --> 00:21:44,440 beat Us show, she was ready to hit somebody Serrano when she couldn't fight 354 00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:48,480 in March, and she looked she looked pretty decent at her new weight one 355 00:21:48,559 --> 00:21:49,920 hundred and Fortyes, she only fought there once be four years ago, which 356 00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:55,400 he won a title there and then quickly vacated it. Uh and now she'll 357 00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:57,640 be Uh. She had come off for like a nine month playoff because she 358 00:21:57,640 --> 00:22:00,039 didn't fight that night back in Mark, even though she had gone through the 359 00:22:00,039 --> 00:22:03,319 training camp, so she was obviously in shape. But there's something that you 360 00:22:03,559 --> 00:22:07,279 can't replicate the actual fight. And you know, for her was her fiftieth 361 00:22:07,279 --> 00:22:11,119 pro fight, got her thirty first knockout, and you know, happy days. 362 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:15,359 And we move on to the big one, all right, And then 363 00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:19,200 also on the fight immediately preceding this on the pay per view card, how 364 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:25,359 about Lucas Body of Canada? Is what I mean? Rayfield? That is 365 00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:29,160 right now. I'm saying this your opinion, please, that's the knockout of 366 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:32,319 the year to this point. Now, something else may happen coming up in 367 00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:34,640 the next five months. And I'll give you my vantage point. Those of 368 00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:37,039 you that we're watching on pay per view and you've obviously seen the highlight. 369 00:22:37,319 --> 00:22:41,759 Now on social media, you're at a much better advantage with slow moo cameras 370 00:22:41,759 --> 00:22:45,039 that are right there in the ring showing you what happened. We were in 371 00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:51,920 the corner on a platform where the ring walks took place. It probably about 372 00:22:52,079 --> 00:22:56,119 a couple hundred feet from the ring. I had my Silve H two O. 373 00:22:56,319 --> 00:23:02,240 Silve had his back to us. So the first with the right hand 374 00:23:02,319 --> 00:23:04,359 where his chin kind of went up in the air, you couldn't really see 375 00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:07,720 it as well. In our vantage point, but the left, Oh, 376 00:23:07,759 --> 00:23:11,480 my lord, from two hundred feet away, you could see the left and 377 00:23:11,599 --> 00:23:15,400 Tim Burr face first. And we've all seen it now on the TV replays. 378 00:23:15,599 --> 00:23:21,079 What a knockout? Really out of nowhere? He was losing the fight 379 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:25,720 and both it was a four punch combination that just like you said, out 380 00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:27,079 of nowhere. Now they kept saying three punches, it was four. He 381 00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:32,839 landed a right hand that started it, and then immediately landed another right that 382 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:36,000 was the big one. Came back behind it with the left hook that was 383 00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:37,880 just ruined him, and then as he's falling, he hit him with another 384 00:23:38,079 --> 00:23:42,839 shot as he was falling down with another left hook. But body was like 385 00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:52,079 sixteen and oh coming in fifteen knockouts, maybe slightly aggressively matching Silver who was 386 00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:56,720 eleven and oh going into the fight with nine knockouts twenty years old. He 387 00:23:56,759 --> 00:24:02,880 had won every single second of the fight and absolutely got wrecked with that last 388 00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:06,039 you know combination. And I made the point last night, and I believe 389 00:24:06,039 --> 00:24:07,680 this, and it's up to him the show different. I do not believe 390 00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:11,759 that Ashton Silve will ever be the same again. It's like when you pull 391 00:24:11,799 --> 00:24:15,720 that thread out of the sock and it never stays up on your ankle the 392 00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:18,119 rest of your You know that you have it. It just you can never 393 00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:21,400 get it back to what it was. It was that brutal of a knockdown. 394 00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:23,519 Now let me guy stamp out back for knockdowns, but I'm saying that 395 00:24:23,599 --> 00:24:30,480 knockdown, that type of act absolutely complete ruination, knockdout. Let me let 396 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:33,640 me take you inside what I saw. And I don't know how much TV 397 00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:37,079 it showed, so enlighten me. The first thing is that was bizarre, 398 00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:41,039 and I texted you is body is running around the ring and trying to jump 399 00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:44,759 up on a turnbuckle, okay, and the referee who's waved the fight off 400 00:24:44,799 --> 00:24:49,200 has gotten up from Ashton silv and is chasing him around the ring and grabbing 401 00:24:49,279 --> 00:24:53,200 him by the trunks, but running around the ring with him to keep him 402 00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:57,759 from jumping on the turnbuckle. I've never seen that in fifty years of watching 403 00:24:57,799 --> 00:25:03,039 boxing, I've never seen a referee so concerned with the fighter is away from 404 00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:07,480 where the knockout is and wants to jump up on a turnbuckle like we've seen 405 00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:11,960 a thousand times and wave his arms and celebrate with the crowd. And this, 406 00:25:11,039 --> 00:25:15,920 and I'm gonna say it, this clown referee is acting like he's somehow 407 00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:18,920 endangering something or whatever and is pulling him off. And I really thought when 408 00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:22,400 he pulled him back, because we had a good vantage point, that body 409 00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:23,759 might take a swing at him, like who are you and what are you 410 00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:30,599 doing? The referee was Michael DeJesus, and he should have been acting like 411 00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:33,680 the referee, not the sheriff. Yeah, okay, so he gets body 412 00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:37,599 over the corner. Here's the other thing. Ashton Silv's father and family members 413 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:41,279 were around, and two of them were trying to run towards the doctors and 414 00:25:41,319 --> 00:25:45,759 their security guards grabbing them and and grappling them to keep them away. Initially 415 00:25:45,799 --> 00:25:51,480 from the scene of where Silver is laying face down. They were they did 416 00:25:51,519 --> 00:25:56,480 not, but I mean he laid there a couple of minutes. And then 417 00:25:56,559 --> 00:26:00,599 here's the other stupid thing. I'm sorry, they're making him walk all the 418 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:04,359 way back to the to the back area and he's staggering walking towards us and 419 00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:07,799 I oh, and they put him in an ambulance and took him to Tampa 420 00:26:07,839 --> 00:26:11,480 General Hospital right by the arena to check him out. But what a knockout 421 00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:14,960 in your right. I think it's a fair argument. We never say never. 422 00:26:15,039 --> 00:26:18,319 He's a young guy, he's what twenty years old, But those are 423 00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:21,559 the kind of things that can be career altering, that kind of a knockout. 424 00:26:21,759 --> 00:26:23,960 I'm not saying he's going to be retired necessarily from boxing. I'm just 425 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:29,680 saying the trajectory has been altered. You know, it's you don't have to 426 00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:30,559 prove it. I mean I can't, you don't. You can't say for 427 00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:36,160 sure, but I can't think of anybody, especially a prospect. Remember this 428 00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:37,240 is a young kid. I mean, he had a lot of amateur fights 429 00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:41,000 and was you know, won a bunch of national tournaments and things. But 430 00:26:41,039 --> 00:26:44,000 he's not an experienced professional. And he's fought you know, you know, 431 00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:48,880 roughly a dozen fights or and now he has a dozen fights actually against you 432 00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:51,720 know, nobody in particular. Body was the best guy he ever faced. 433 00:26:52,319 --> 00:26:53,759 You're just not going to be the same after that, both in terms of 434 00:26:53,759 --> 00:26:56,559 what it took out of you, both in terms of your confidence and all 435 00:26:56,599 --> 00:27:02,319 that. But remember they the MVP. They hype this kid up bizarrely, 436 00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:04,200 I you know, the whole h two oh thing. I was never into 437 00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:07,599 that he's asht himself. You know, you don't deserve a nickname like that. 438 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:11,960 You've kind of proven something in my opinion. Nonetheless, I never never 439 00:27:11,039 --> 00:27:15,559 really considered him to be a a A plus level kind of prospect. In 440 00:27:15,599 --> 00:27:19,640 other words, he was known to me when he signed. I never put 441 00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:22,480 him on my top fifteen prospect list. Now, I don't have anything against 442 00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:26,680 the kid. I just never saw, you know, the the glimmer that 443 00:27:26,759 --> 00:27:32,200 he's going to be some future star. And although he did a nice job 444 00:27:32,559 --> 00:27:36,720 out boxing Body with the speed and his reflexes obviously were supreme compared to Body, 445 00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:40,279 here's all you have to know. I looked up the copy box stats 446 00:27:40,279 --> 00:27:44,480 from that particular fight. He landed one hundred and one of two hundred and 447 00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:48,559 forty nine punches he landed on Body at forty percent. And in that in 448 00:27:48,599 --> 00:27:52,839 that full fight where he landed over one hundred punches, you had Body landing 449 00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:56,440 thirty eight punches out of two oh seven, barely eighteen percent. But he 450 00:27:56,519 --> 00:28:02,759 landed the only four that metter. That's right, is different box doesn't matter 451 00:28:02,799 --> 00:28:04,519 when that happened. Well, And and we'll talk with Todd Grisham in a 452 00:28:04,559 --> 00:28:10,279 couple of moments about the one punch or the combination thing can just be the 453 00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:12,279 end. And that's why boxing is different and we love it. So all 454 00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:17,359 right, what else you mentioned? We got off to a slow start on 455 00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:22,920 the night with Julio Cesar Chavez Junior off along. This was a terrible yeah, 456 00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:26,599 beating Ryah Hall. Not much going on. The crowd was even murmuring 457 00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:30,440 and booing some I'll tell you this. I was around Chavez, including post 458 00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:33,680 fight. He looked one hundred and eighty five pounds. I mean he was 459 00:28:33,799 --> 00:28:40,079 more than that big he was yeah, I mean was a cruiserweight fight. 460 00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:41,920 Oh, it was a cruiserweight fight. I mean he he was larger than 461 00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:47,400 what we've seen him fight before. He looked slow at times. He luckily 462 00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:49,599 was in there against a very uning He's never been fast, correct, He's 463 00:28:51,039 --> 00:28:55,039 against an inexperienced fighter. I know, I had to laugh at Nikisa Baderian 464 00:28:55,039 --> 00:28:56,200 at like one thirty in the morning. I think I was punchy and he's 465 00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:59,599 going, well, you know, look how these fights go. Look at 466 00:28:59,759 --> 00:29:03,400 look at how Chavez has had sixty professional fights, have been a world champion, 467 00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:06,279 and look at how much trouble he had with a with an MMA guy 468 00:29:06,319 --> 00:29:08,960 who's one professional fight, and I'm going that's because he's been out of the 469 00:29:10,039 --> 00:29:12,400 ring for three years. He's out of shape, his timing's off. That's 470 00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:17,720 why that looked. First of all, he was at his when he was 471 00:29:17,759 --> 00:29:21,680 actually a pretty decent fighter when he beat Andy Lee, who was a good, 472 00:29:21,839 --> 00:29:26,160 solid pro and a former champion and a top amateur. That was for 473 00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:30,519 the WBC middleweight title defense. He was a champion, a title holder, 474 00:29:30,799 --> 00:29:33,319 a belt by the way, that was gifted to him because they've they they 475 00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:37,079 they robbed him. They've robbed Surgery Martinez of that belt by stripping him and 476 00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:42,920 allowing uh Chavs to fight Sebastian Zibbik for that title many years ago. Uh 477 00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:47,240 that was one hundred and sixty pound fight. Chaves has had problems with drugs, 478 00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:52,119 alcohol, mental health problems, banned substances, all kinds of issues. 479 00:29:52,079 --> 00:29:56,279 Certainly not not making weight has been a thing that's just been a destructive thing, 480 00:29:56,319 --> 00:30:00,680 a destructive thing to his career. You know, he can't make one 481 00:30:00,839 --> 00:30:03,599 sixty, couldn't make one sixty when that was the way limit was over other 482 00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:07,559 times, numerous times, had a lot of people, you know, uh, 483 00:30:07,599 --> 00:30:11,480 sweeping things under the rug for him for this fight. He was going 484 00:30:11,519 --> 00:30:14,680 into the ring, I mean at the weigh in one ninety seven point eight. 485 00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:18,359 So yeah, so he looked at he had to tire around his middle. 486 00:30:18,759 --> 00:30:22,799 He just did not look in condition your eye. Hal is not a 487 00:30:22,799 --> 00:30:25,160 boxer, he's a former MNA guy. But he looks you know, he's 488 00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:27,119 an athlete. You can tell he's cutting, you know, all ripped up 489 00:30:27,119 --> 00:30:30,640 in the way that he but he's thirty nine. He didn't have reflexes. 490 00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:33,480 It was a bad fight. It was so vas trying to make the comeback. 491 00:30:33,519 --> 00:30:36,640 I mean, on the one hand, after the long layoff two and 492 00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:38,359 a half years, you're expecting to see some kind of russ. But you 493 00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:41,039 know, even before the layoff, Chavez was not doing much of anything. 494 00:30:41,079 --> 00:30:44,559 He was struggling. So you know, if this is a way that he 495 00:30:44,599 --> 00:30:48,119 can keep himself together as a person in terms of his his drug use and 496 00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:51,799 his mental health, and he's going to do boxing to help him deal with 497 00:30:51,839 --> 00:30:53,000 that, you know, good for him. But I don't need to watch 498 00:30:53,039 --> 00:30:56,119 that shit on my pay per view. You know, I feel like I 499 00:30:56,119 --> 00:30:57,480 should get a rebate of like ten bucks for having a sisty that shit. 500 00:30:57,599 --> 00:31:00,160 Give me, a credit, me a credit. He did mention the name 501 00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:03,960 Jake Paul after the fight. Who And I'm gonna tell you right now, 502 00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:06,160 and I'm not even joking. I say this, okay, and I buy 503 00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:08,000 Jake Paul fights. I'm not a hater. I enjoy his events. I'm 504 00:31:08,039 --> 00:31:11,240 perfectly willing to say that I write about it. I take grief from some 505 00:31:11,279 --> 00:31:15,400 of my followers on social and people that are on my newsletter. But I 506 00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:18,920 can tell you a couple of things. Number One, when I write about 507 00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:22,119 Jake Paul, the traffic that I generate is a lot is very good compared 508 00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:25,720 to a lot of things I write about. And I've never been like a 509 00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:29,680 clickbait whorror at all. Secondly, while I do enjoy his events, if 510 00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:33,039 they ever actually put Jake Paul in the ring with fucking Chavis, I'm literally 511 00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:37,599 not only why not buy the fight, I may actively like go after rail 512 00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:41,799 against against it. Okay, So forget that shit and it's not happening, 513 00:31:41,799 --> 00:31:45,559 by the way, thank you. Okay. So there we go from the 514 00:31:45,559 --> 00:31:48,480 fight card in Tampa, and you're gonna hear more about that. Now we 515 00:31:48,519 --> 00:31:52,359 are going to talk about the Japanese Championship fights. Including Nakatani with a huge 516 00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:56,000 first round body punch knockout. That's upcoming here on the recap. But right 517 00:31:56,039 --> 00:31:59,839 now, the guy that was on the call for his owne is with us 518 00:32:00,039 --> 00:32:04,400 in the post fight aftermat Well. I love any opportunity that I get to 519 00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:07,920 say hello to this guy, even virtually, but I got to say hello 520 00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:13,599 to him in person in Tampa on the Dezone MVP Promotions call of the pay 521 00:32:13,599 --> 00:32:16,920 per view Jake Paul ultimately victorious over Mike Perry. Was a night of knockouts. 522 00:32:17,119 --> 00:32:20,880 At the end of the pay per view, Hello Todd Grisham, good 523 00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:23,839 to have you back here on the pod, my friend, Hello TJ. 524 00:32:24,039 --> 00:32:28,319 Good to see you in person this week and here on zoom. Thanks for 525 00:32:28,319 --> 00:32:30,480 having me. Yeah, I know we're right there by each other. We 526 00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:34,319 can't make the interview in person happen, So Todd travels back to his home 527 00:32:34,359 --> 00:32:36,880 a couple thousand miles away from me, and we make it happen virtually. 528 00:32:37,079 --> 00:32:43,240 Whatever. It's like. We're both we're both cohered, okay. So Dan 529 00:32:43,319 --> 00:32:46,920 and I have been talking it up. I just I staged it as a 530 00:32:47,039 --> 00:32:51,960 night of knockouts there at the end. What is your impression the Badi knockout 531 00:32:52,039 --> 00:32:55,440 is a devastating one. Serrano gets her first knockout in three years. We 532 00:32:55,559 --> 00:33:00,240 expected it was probably going to be a Jake paul Ko and eventually was what 533 00:33:00,279 --> 00:33:06,720 are your impressions now? About twenty four hours after this is all over with 534 00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:12,240 with the Fear No Man, Fear No Woman MVP Promotions card in Tampa. 535 00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:15,640 I thought it got off to a slow start. I was a little worried 536 00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:17,960 after the first two fights that went the distance. You know, the crowd 537 00:33:19,119 --> 00:33:23,119 seventeen thousand fans and they sold it out in four weeks. The promotion in 538 00:33:23,119 --> 00:33:25,799 four weeks. That's almost unheard of. You know, usually boxing it's two 539 00:33:25,839 --> 00:33:30,039 months, but four weeks to find an opponent, get the thing going, 540 00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:35,160 and having seventeen thousand fans there and the crowd was just ready to explode. 541 00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:37,079 They were all in such a good mood. It's a different boxing crowd that 542 00:33:37,119 --> 00:33:42,119 you normally see a lot of young people there. Everyone dressed to the nines, 543 00:33:42,319 --> 00:33:45,400 dressed to impress, famous people everywhere, so it's a different crowd. 544 00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:50,400 Everyone just kind of wanted to have a party. That's the atmosphere I was 545 00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:52,400 feeling. And after the first two fights, they were getting a little restless. 546 00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:54,519 They were like, wait a minute, we didn't come here to watch 547 00:33:54,559 --> 00:33:58,519 these fights go ten rounds and no one get knocked down. And then all 548 00:33:58,519 --> 00:34:00,519 of a sudden, the Lucas body knock out happened, and that changed the 549 00:34:00,599 --> 00:34:05,960 whole demeanor of the place. And I know you were on the call with 550 00:34:06,079 --> 00:34:09,159 gab Rizzanto, Tyrone Woodley and also Ariel Hillwanee, and that was a one 551 00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:15,360 sided fight, wasn't. It wasn't as if Silve H two O silv was 552 00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:19,519 dominating, but he was winning. And then suddenly, this is why boxing 553 00:34:19,599 --> 00:34:22,320 is different, Todd. We talk about it all the time. There is 554 00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:25,079 a ten point shot, unlike a three point shot in basketball. There's a 555 00:34:25,079 --> 00:34:29,920 ten point shot or a twenty one point touchdown or an eight run home run. 556 00:34:30,119 --> 00:34:34,039 It's called a punch or two and good night. Wow. Yeah. 557 00:34:34,119 --> 00:34:36,159 Indeed, in fact, I mean I disagree with you. I think H 558 00:34:36,199 --> 00:34:38,239 two was dominating that fight. I mean from start to finish. That's why 559 00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:40,840 his hands were down because he was starting to play with his food a little 560 00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:44,719 bit. He was tenderizing it. I've been said on the broadcast, I 561 00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:46,840 think the referees are starting to take a close look at body and maybe gonna 562 00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:50,840 intervene here in a little bit. He was getting beat. Pillar to post 563 00:34:51,119 --> 00:34:54,880 the CompuBox statistics, I think it was three to one punches landed in favor 564 00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:59,760 of h two. Oh, but you never count out a puncher and this 565 00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:04,000 guy, I think he'd knocked out uh, maybe eleven proponents in a row 566 00:35:04,079 --> 00:35:07,320 or six in a row, but before that, whatever it was, but 567 00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:10,639 uh, he had plenty of power and man, he finally landed it. 568 00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:14,920 And that was one of those stunning knockouts I've ever seen, not just because 569 00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:16,880 of the violence of it, but because no one ever saw it coming. 570 00:35:17,039 --> 00:35:21,119 It'd be different if maybe you know, he buzzed him a little earlier in 571 00:35:21,119 --> 00:35:22,320 the fighter. He'd landed a couple of shots here and there, and he 572 00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:25,079 thought, whoa, but he hadn't really touched him. And then all of 573 00:35:25,119 --> 00:35:30,000 a sudden lightning, big night for Canada and Lucas Badi with that koe. 574 00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:35,599 And we should mention you you were on the call for the Joshua Ko of 575 00:35:35,639 --> 00:35:38,840 Benganu. The heavyweights and the heavyweights are a different thing. Jang knocking out 576 00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:45,079 the bronze bomber Deontay Wilder. You've seen some KOs so far this shit, 577 00:35:45,159 --> 00:35:47,599 that's probably the KO of the year right now as we sit in July. 578 00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:52,360 Who knows what happens the last five months, but that one that you called, 579 00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:53,760 that might be the KO of the year right there, Lucas Badi. 580 00:35:54,559 --> 00:35:58,679 Yeah, and you know, Joe Martinez was the ring announcer. You were 581 00:35:58,679 --> 00:36:00,840 their TJ. I don't know if I've ever heard a ring announcer basically say, 582 00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:04,840 let's all pray for this guy. May God be with him and his 583 00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:09,000 family. That's how scary that knockout was and how surprising it was. Yeah, 584 00:36:09,199 --> 00:36:15,159 get I get excited, but I've never had a knockout where literally my 585 00:36:15,159 --> 00:36:17,519 headset flew off. I was so jarred by it. I grabbed it, 586 00:36:17,599 --> 00:36:21,400 I caught it in mid air and like almost held it like a handheld microphone 587 00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:24,519 instead of a headset. That's how stunned, stunning it was. And then 588 00:36:24,519 --> 00:36:29,239 you know, to see H two film. I don't know if you saw 589 00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:30,239 this from where you were sitting, but when he kind of came to, 590 00:36:30,639 --> 00:36:34,360 he was throwing punches on his back on the ground, he was trying to 591 00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:37,480 fight the people waking him up and including his dad. I mean, that's 592 00:36:37,519 --> 00:36:40,239 how scary it was yeah, and he was down a good two minutes or 593 00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:44,360 more, not moving. There was a lot of concern. I was saying 594 00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:46,159 to the media people around me. And again I make mention I was on 595 00:36:46,199 --> 00:36:51,559 a platform where the media area was back by the ring walk area in the 596 00:36:51,599 --> 00:36:53,000 lower level, so we were a little distant, but we were able to 597 00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:55,159 see. And I kept saying to the people around me, I don't know 598 00:36:55,159 --> 00:36:59,440 if they're not going to bring a stretcher, paramedics and a stretcher to carry 599 00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:02,239 him out on the board or something else, just to make sure. So 600 00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:06,920 we're glad that it appears he's okay. They took him to Tampa General Hospital 601 00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:09,840 downtown Tampa to check him out. But it appears that Silva was okay after 602 00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:15,679 that knockout, all right. So that led to Amanda Serrano and this this 603 00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:19,880 had mismatch written all over it, but I don't think a lot of people 604 00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:22,360 really believed it was going to be that quick. She's just that good. 605 00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:28,239 She's a world class fighter, and she sized up Stevie Morgan and you barely 606 00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:31,480 probably got into your material ten two minute rounds about all of the about all 607 00:37:31,519 --> 00:37:36,840 of the praises for Serrano and the fight is basically done with a big barrage 608 00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:39,599 of punches. Your reaction to that real quick. I just I love it 609 00:37:39,639 --> 00:37:44,280 when a superior opponent just goes in there blows them out. I've seen too 610 00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:46,320 many of these guys, even Sir Kerse Stevenson. Now, his opponents have 611 00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:50,440 been way better than Stevie Morgan, don't get me wrong. But you sit 612 00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:52,920 there and watch your curR and you're like, get this guy out of there? 613 00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:54,239 Man, what are you doing? You know he's just jabbing at this 614 00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:58,800 guy. Can't hurt you to see her going there, not with reckless abandon 615 00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:00,880 but you could tell within third she was like, wait, I'm way better 616 00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:04,639 than this girl. Let's get her out of town. And that's what I 617 00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:07,000 loved about it. Yeah, And some are saying, well, maybe it 618 00:38:07,039 --> 00:38:09,639 was too quick, but I mean, how much more did you have to 619 00:38:09,639 --> 00:38:14,159 see of her hitting her eight or ten more times? Where Morgan doesn't know, 620 00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:15,719 not skilled enough, how to cover up, how to defend, how 621 00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:22,559 to grab fights, to do something. So and we're stoked obviously for Serrano 622 00:38:22,679 --> 00:38:25,719 Kaylee Taylor Katie Taylor the sequel, which will be coming in November. I 623 00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:30,320 know you guys were talking that up she was talking it up. That's next, 624 00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:31,639 and I can't wait for that one. And I know you've seen him 625 00:38:31,679 --> 00:38:35,519 way. Someone asked me, I don't know. This week, I was 626 00:38:35,519 --> 00:38:38,039 playing golf and they said, what's the best fight, best best boxing fight 627 00:38:38,079 --> 00:38:42,960 you've ever covered? And I said, Katie Taylor man Is Serrano. Anyone 628 00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:45,840 who was in Madison Square Garden that night. There weren't eveny knockdowns. There 629 00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:49,880 were no knockdowns in that plight, but the atmosphere was fifty to fifty and 630 00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:52,840 I mean it was like almost like a World Cup soccer game in an arena, 631 00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:57,840 and it was just back and forth and just they threw so many punches 632 00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:00,159 and just you know, towards the end, it was just like almost like 633 00:39:00,199 --> 00:39:05,119 the Mac Collaway justin Gaetchee, you know, the dan in the middle and 634 00:39:05,159 --> 00:39:07,119 just beat each other's brains out. And that's what they did the entire fight. 635 00:39:07,559 --> 00:39:10,880 And I mean, I don't know what the second fight's gonna look like, 636 00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:14,960 because let's be honest, you know, Katie's lost since then. She 637 00:39:15,079 --> 00:39:20,519 got it back, but Amanda's a couple of years older now. But if 638 00:39:20,519 --> 00:39:23,440 it's anything close to that first one, and it happens at Texas Cowboys Stadium 639 00:39:23,519 --> 00:39:28,199 in front of seventy thousand. I mean we're talking about, you know, 640 00:39:28,599 --> 00:39:30,599 Hagler Hearn's type of stuff. Yeah, I mean, it's gonna be tremendous 641 00:39:30,599 --> 00:39:35,639 build up and anticipation for that. So that leads us to the main events. 642 00:39:35,639 --> 00:39:37,519 I've already given some thoughts. Dan's given some thoughts. What were your 643 00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:40,719 It was not over although it looked like it could have been in the first 644 00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:45,360 round when Mike Perry went down, I think everybody was wondering, is this 645 00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:49,039 over in a round or less? Third straight time for Jake Paul. So 646 00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:51,679 we credit Perry to that degree. That's me saying that, what are your 647 00:39:51,679 --> 00:39:53,320 thoughts now that you've had time to digest it? On Jake Paul getting the 648 00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:58,079 eventual knockout, Well, I'm just glad that Perry didn't just go out with 649 00:39:58,159 --> 00:40:00,719 a whimper. You know, when he got dropped in that first round, 650 00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:04,280 I like you, I was like, oh man, really this crowd wanted 651 00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:07,440 to see. They want to be entertained. But he got back and got 652 00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:09,760 back into it, and you know, he ended up getting dropped two more 653 00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:14,119 times, and he didn't really have any electrifying moments. Mike Perry, but 654 00:40:14,199 --> 00:40:15,800 he did get the crowd on his side and we got some chance. And 655 00:40:16,159 --> 00:40:22,360 I mean my nephew drove down with his fraternity brothers from the University of Alabama, 656 00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:24,760 like an eight hour drive. Yeah, but he called me the day 657 00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:28,119 of we want to come, Can you give me tickets? So I'm scrambling 658 00:40:28,159 --> 00:40:30,519 to get him tickets. But afterwards they said, man, that was one 659 00:40:30,559 --> 00:40:32,000 of the most fun events we've ever been to, and these guys have been 660 00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:36,840 to Alabama football games. I mean, it was just it was just a 661 00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:39,559 really cool, entertaining night. And that say what you will about Jake Paul, 662 00:40:39,599 --> 00:40:44,519 but all of his fights are entertaining one way or another. It's it's 663 00:40:44,599 --> 00:40:46,840 it's entertainment and that's what it's all about. And that's why seventeen thousand people 664 00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:51,440 showed up and he uh and he obviously got the win, but he had 665 00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:53,079 to battle for it. Perry was tough. I thought, I thought, 666 00:40:53,119 --> 00:40:57,599 to me, you were right there closer ringside. I thought he looked tired 667 00:40:57,599 --> 00:41:00,440 at times, having the weight cut from trying to much heavier if he's fighting 668 00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:04,400 Mike Tyson, And he admitted this after the fight, that he cut about 669 00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:07,599 twenty five pounds because he had to get to proximity of what Mike carry was 670 00:41:07,639 --> 00:41:12,559 going to weigh. He looked tired at times. They talked about him being 671 00:41:12,599 --> 00:41:16,639 sick earlier in the week. What were your impressions ringside just of him. 672 00:41:16,679 --> 00:41:20,039 I mean, he gets the knockout win, that's the only thing that matters. 673 00:41:20,039 --> 00:41:22,719 But what were your thoughts? Well, I I yes, I agree 674 00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:25,079 with all. He did look tired, he did look winded, you know, 675 00:41:25,079 --> 00:41:27,800 I said he was sick. But at the same time, that was 676 00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:31,320 a very high energy fight. They weren't just you know, playing slap and 677 00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:34,719 tickle in there. And the thing was Jake Paul seemed to have him in 678 00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:37,320 trouble so many times that he was going for the knockout. So he was 679 00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:42,159 constantly throwing power punches to try and put this guy away. And that takes 680 00:41:42,199 --> 00:41:45,079 a lot of energy, especially for someone like you said, who had to 681 00:41:45,079 --> 00:41:49,039 cut twenty pounds in two weeks. Love Todd Grisham with me for just another 682 00:41:49,119 --> 00:41:52,760 moment or two, and we can't emphasize enough. Here was my thing. 683 00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:57,559 When that's when that Serrano knockout happened. The anticipation building up to Paul and 684 00:41:57,599 --> 00:42:00,559 you've done this so many times in big time fights. I've been around enough 685 00:42:00,559 --> 00:42:02,519 big time fights. The anticipation is there anyway. But I kept remarking to 686 00:42:02,519 --> 00:42:07,440 everybody, and I texted some people too and said, everybody in this building 687 00:42:07,599 --> 00:42:10,360 is standing right now way I mean said before the fight, before the ring 688 00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:15,480 walks. So you really had the building stoke. Just emphasize that one more 689 00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:20,440 time from ringside looking around, it's not all the time that the building is 690 00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:24,360 completely full with everybody standing and ready to go in anticipation. And Jake pol 691 00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:29,639 and the Kisa Baderian and MVP Promotions, they deserve a lot of credit for 692 00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:32,679 picking the opponent, perry him helping it hype it up, and you add 693 00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:36,599 everybody into it, and that's what it's all about if you're promoting a fight, 694 00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:38,239 right. Yeah, Well, I've seen big fights for the whole arena 695 00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:43,280 standing up and excited for the big fight. But what I rarely ever see 696 00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:45,920 is the place packed out at nine o'clock. Yeah, you know, the 697 00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:49,960 first fight was yes, packed out, and you don't see that. That's 698 00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:52,360 because it's a different crowd. So for all the haters of Jake Paul out 699 00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:55,239 there who think he's doing a disservice to boxing, and he's making a mockery 700 00:42:55,320 --> 00:43:00,119 to the sport. He's bringing in new fans to watch the sport, and 701 00:43:00,159 --> 00:43:04,800 these new fans aren't nearly as snobby as boxing fans. You know, I'm 702 00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:06,880 not gonna get there to the Comain event. You know, we'll have dreams 703 00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:08,519 and will show I ain't coming there for the early stuff. These guys are 704 00:43:08,559 --> 00:43:13,559 like cool boxing looks fun. Let's get there early and have a party. 705 00:43:13,679 --> 00:43:15,239 And that's what they did. They had a party last night and it ended 706 00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:19,159 with Jake Paul jumping out of the cake. And there you go. And 707 00:43:19,199 --> 00:43:22,480 we're gonna see one of the premier fighters in the world coming August third, 708 00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:25,639 and you will be on the call of Terrence Crawford going for a junior middleweight 709 00:43:27,039 --> 00:43:30,199 role title with Israel madram Off. I know you're looking forward to that next 710 00:43:30,199 --> 00:43:32,679 Broadcay. You've been on a lot of big ones, the USIK win over 711 00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:37,199 Fury already this year, the Ryan Garcia upset and the whole debacle out of 712 00:43:37,199 --> 00:43:39,599 the ring with your upset of deabth Hate, and now we've got August third 713 00:43:39,599 --> 00:43:42,880 coming. I know you're gonna recharge the batteries and be ready for that. 714 00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:45,920 In a couple of weeks. Man, hey, god left, Todd Grisham 715 00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:47,400 right, I am living the dream TJ. I mean, you know who 716 00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:51,760 wouldn't switch seats with me in a minute, in a heartbeat. I'm very, 717 00:43:52,199 --> 00:43:54,000 very privileged to have my job. And man, I sometimes have to 718 00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:58,800 pinch myself the fact that I get to see Crawford and Isram a dream up. 719 00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:01,440 And that entire card, I mean, Andrew Ruiz's back, Jared Anderson 720 00:44:01,519 --> 00:44:06,320 versus Bakoli, That to me is the most fascinating fight. East Cruise is 721 00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:09,280 on the card. I mean, just top to bottom, just murderers row. 722 00:44:09,559 --> 00:44:13,440 It's going to be a night to remember out in Los Angeles. All 723 00:44:13,519 --> 00:44:15,880 right, look forward to you on that one. We got to go hit 724 00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:19,519 a golf ball at some point. If you're back in Tampa, I'm where 725 00:44:19,559 --> 00:44:22,000 you are or whatever it is. Keep up the great work, and it 726 00:44:22,119 --> 00:44:25,800 was. It was a thrill to be in and around that whole event. 727 00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:30,679 You were obviously on the call. And we'll see what happens now on August 728 00:44:30,679 --> 00:44:34,199 the third, We'll see what happens with Paul and Tyson later on in the 729 00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:36,760 year. That's down a row. We got some other great action before that. 730 00:44:37,159 --> 00:44:39,400 Todd Grisham, thank you keep up the great work on dez Own and 731 00:44:39,679 --> 00:44:44,039 all the stuff you do with their coverage. We thank you for hanging with 732 00:44:44,119 --> 00:44:46,599 us here on the pod. You got it, man, Hey, I 733 00:44:46,639 --> 00:44:50,840 think Tampa's become a boxing hot spot. You know what I mean. You 734 00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:53,880 sell seventeen thousand seats to a fight in four weeks. They'll be coming back 735 00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:58,199 again, So we'll see you soon. You know, he's one of the 736 00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:00,800 many that we're walking around. Well, where's right feel? You know, 737 00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:02,480 it's not a big time event if ray Fiel's not here. But the good 738 00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:07,480 news is you're supposed to be out in Los Angeles for this Crawford fight coming 739 00:45:07,519 --> 00:45:09,239 in a couple of weeks, and you'll be there with Todd Grisham for that. 740 00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:14,039 He's been on a roll, like he mentioned, of big time fights 741 00:45:14,039 --> 00:45:20,320 including the Usk and the Fury, Haini, Garcia, et cetera. And 742 00:45:20,639 --> 00:45:23,360 he got to call knockouts, you got to call exciting endings to fights. 743 00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:27,800 If you're Todd Grisham, just one more time here on his own and you 744 00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:31,320 can speak more to those guys. He and Gabbrizato, Tyron Woodley, Ariel 745 00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:35,519 Hilwane. They were on the call because you were on the pay per view 746 00:45:35,519 --> 00:45:37,920 while I was there in the arena. But and I know Grisham's your former 747 00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:42,239 colleague at ESPN as well. Good on him. Good on him to hop 748 00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:45,079 on the pod and give us a little bit in the recap mode. Yeah. 749 00:45:45,119 --> 00:45:46,599 No, Ton's a good dude. Like you said, we were colleagues 750 00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:52,960 back in the day at ESPN. I did various Sports center things with Todd 751 00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:54,920 over the years, like talkbacks, and you know, and Arieljwani is my 752 00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:58,519 former colleague at ESPN also, he was covering M and A, I was 753 00:45:58,559 --> 00:46:00,199 covering boxing, and we collobed bring on a few projects, so you know, 754 00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:05,280 respect for those guys. And again he'll be out there for the Crawford 755 00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:08,800 main event, in that whole card from Riod's season and out in La on 756 00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:14,039 Dezonne. So we appreciate Todd hopping on. All right. We joked about 757 00:46:14,119 --> 00:46:20,199 Saturday morning US time, corn flakes and Japanese Championship Boxing. Can I confess 758 00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:22,280 to you we always pull the curtain back here on the pot. I'm trying 759 00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:27,039 to get you know, you've been having your deck replaced at the Rayfaeld estate 760 00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:31,119 by the guys that are deck, and they are now done. Hallelujah. 761 00:46:31,119 --> 00:46:37,119 They're done with the Rayfield deck this summer, getting it all replaced and safe, 762 00:46:37,159 --> 00:46:39,559 and the steps and the railing and the whole bit. Meanwhile messing. 763 00:46:39,599 --> 00:46:46,000 The chair is back there, and I look forward here invite for a summer 764 00:46:46,039 --> 00:46:49,880 barbecue to be determined down the road. I'll tell you what, since we're 765 00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:54,280 discussing this in honor of this very expensive but very awesome looking new back deck, 766 00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:58,159 because the other one was rotting in a bucking mess. Now that it's 767 00:46:58,199 --> 00:47:00,719 done, the celebration is that we're grill dinner tonight. Are you cutting a 768 00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:05,800 ribbon like a ceremonial ribbon for the deck and then having some grilling out at 769 00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:07,639 the Rayfield Path tonight later? No ribbon, no ribbons, but we got 770 00:47:07,639 --> 00:47:10,880 the grill going in there, right, We're gonna have some nice all right. 771 00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:14,679 So I gotta I gotta share this with you. I was being domesticated 772 00:47:14,679 --> 00:47:16,559 this weekend, like the guy's fixing your deck, and I was actually having 773 00:47:16,559 --> 00:47:22,800 to pressure wash driveway sidewalk at the Reefs house because the homeowners association is on 774 00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:25,519 my case about clean it up. It's got to look better. So full 775 00:47:25,559 --> 00:47:29,360 disclosure. I did part of the job Friday night, and I was doing 776 00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:32,679 the rest of the job Saturday morning because it got dark Friday night when it's 777 00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:37,440 much cooler. So I'm out there before it's one hundred and fifteen in Tampa 778 00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:39,800 Bay on the Saturday of the Jake Paul fight day, trying to get the 779 00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:45,719 pressure washing done. So I was not on the Nakatani main event card live. 780 00:47:46,519 --> 00:47:50,800 I came back and relived the main event and then went back and watched 781 00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:53,800 a little bit on ESPN Plus. But good Lord Rayfield, I didn't miss 782 00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:59,639 much at the main event with Vincement Astrolobbio because it was over with before you 783 00:47:59,639 --> 00:48:02,320 could it is your fruit loops, froot loops and box I was having I 784 00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:06,760 don't eat froot loops. But here's the thing. When it's like in in 785 00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:08,920 a way, I usually will make it a point to actually wake up and 786 00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:12,800 make sure I see that live. For this particular card, my plan was, 787 00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:15,400 you know what, I'm not gonna wake up on purpose and accept my 788 00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:19,000 alarm. And when I wake up, whenever that may be, I'm gonna 789 00:48:19,039 --> 00:48:22,039 not know the result. I'm gonna go right to my my my ESPN Plus 790 00:48:22,039 --> 00:48:25,079 and I'm gonna watch the card. Maybe I might fast forward and get to 791 00:48:25,079 --> 00:48:29,039 the main event, but I'm gonna I'm gonna not know the result when I'm 792 00:48:29,079 --> 00:48:31,559 watching it. As it turned out, because my wife and son were had 793 00:48:31,559 --> 00:48:36,159 one of my son's activities very early on Saturday morning. They had waken up 794 00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:39,159 very early and left, and I kind of heard them leave, so I 795 00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:42,599 kind of woke up, fell back asleep, but I hasn't really all the 796 00:48:42,599 --> 00:48:45,440 way back to sleep. Here's the point, At like seven point thirty, 797 00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:49,480 I did wake up, and I immediately put on my phone and I literally 798 00:48:49,519 --> 00:48:53,039 picked up the card as the boxers were coming to the ring. Jimmy lenn 799 00:48:53,079 --> 00:48:55,599 and my man you know, was bringing them into the ring for the main 800 00:48:55,639 --> 00:48:59,320 event. So I watched that. In like five minutes later, I was 801 00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:02,960 back like it was over because Nakatani, you were you were like Vincent Astra 802 00:49:04,039 --> 00:49:07,280 Labbio. You were done quickly. Oh my goodness, two minutes and thirty 803 00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:12,559 seven seconds. Knakatani, we we both thought he would get the knockout, 804 00:49:12,599 --> 00:49:15,480 but I thought Astral Lobbya, with the career he's had, even if it's 805 00:49:15,519 --> 00:49:19,920 not at the highest level, absolutely a durable guy. Gonna land, gonna 806 00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:22,159 land, uh you know, gonna take this fight deeper in into the into 807 00:49:22,199 --> 00:49:27,360 the into the rounds. But what happens when you get hit with that shot 808 00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:29,119 right in the pit of the gud. I don't care who you are, 809 00:49:29,159 --> 00:49:31,159 you could be, uh just a nobody or a great fighter. If you 810 00:49:31,159 --> 00:49:35,159 take that kind of body shot, there's a good chance you're gonna get knocked 811 00:49:35,199 --> 00:49:39,320 out. He took a You cannot throw a straight left hand to the belly 812 00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:44,519 better than what Kna Katani did. Caught him right on, like right above 813 00:49:44,559 --> 00:49:47,920 the belt line, right on the name right in there. The wrestling term 814 00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:53,599 from the late great wrestling announcer Gordon solely doing Championship wrestling from Florida and World 815 00:49:53,679 --> 00:49:59,760 Championship Wrestling was the solar plexus in the solar plexus Rayphiel And so it was 816 00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:04,679 a so that he got up lower than the solar plexus. Actually maybe maybe 817 00:50:04,679 --> 00:50:07,599 a little bit, but he got up at the count of Thomas Taylor's not 818 00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:10,119 about how about our man? Thomas Taylor flew all the way to Japan to 819 00:50:10,159 --> 00:50:14,599 work two minutes and put the count on Astralabiyo. But he got to the 820 00:50:14,599 --> 00:50:17,880 count of nine Astralabio stood up and then immediately crumbled back down like he was 821 00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:23,960 done. Man. So a one punch body shot win. And what does 822 00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:29,239 this mean now for Nakatani now that that happened, Well, okay, Nakatani 823 00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:34,119 is a three division champion. He's retained now the WBC title in his first 824 00:50:34,119 --> 00:50:37,280 defense. He is twenty eight to oher with twenty one knockouts. He's probably 825 00:50:38,119 --> 00:50:43,320 arguably the second best fighter out of Japan currently active, other than Noya. 826 00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:45,000 In a way, he was obviously number one. And what it does is 827 00:50:45,119 --> 00:50:51,000 number one, it's very impressive. Number two. It sets up some very 828 00:50:51,039 --> 00:50:54,280 tasty possibilities and and you know how impressive he is. It hasn't been announced 829 00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:59,559 yet, but even though he's with uh with Teak in boxing in Japan which 830 00:50:59,599 --> 00:51:01,559 puts on he shows, but they have a close relationship with Top Rank, 831 00:51:01,599 --> 00:51:06,760 which brings their events in for ESPN plus, Top Rank is Gonna is doing 832 00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:08,880 a co promotional deal with Nakatani. There's a very good chance that in his 833 00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:13,360 next fight he's fought in America before, like when he knocked out Andrew Maloney 834 00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:15,119 in the twenty twenty three knock Out of the Year that was in Las Vegas 835 00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:19,280 that he'll come to fight in the United States in the near future. So 836 00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:21,920 that's a good thing if you're a boxing fan. But in terms of where 837 00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:25,800 he goes, first of all, the bantamweight division now is owned by all 838 00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:29,679 Japanese fighters. The four belts. That was obviously when Noi in a way 839 00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:31,679 was undisputed. He was Japanese, he had all four belts, but he 840 00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:36,519 was one person. Now that he's moved up in wait and they've gone to 841 00:51:36,599 --> 00:51:39,400 other people in fights have taken place, they're all held by Japanese. But 842 00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:44,960 the big deal fight that he talked about that's getting hype as we speak is 843 00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:47,480 for Nakatani. I can't say it's the next fight. Maybe will be the 844 00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:52,320 next fight for him to have a unification against Takuma in a way, which 845 00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:58,199 is Naiolia's younger brother, who's the w who won the WBA belt after his 846 00:51:58,280 --> 00:52:00,760 brother left the weight class. Big time fight. But the beauty of it 847 00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:06,440 is if you're na Katani, the possibilities for huge events are endless in a 848 00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:09,719 way. Not against a kumin In away is a big deal to unify separated 849 00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:14,360 only by another three pounds. Is Noya in a way at one twenty two. 850 00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:16,760 Now, that's not that big of a deal particular. I mean considered 851 00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:21,400 that Noya started his career at one hundred and eight pounds, So even though 852 00:52:22,079 --> 00:52:25,039 Nakatani has come up from one hundred and twelve pounds, they're similarly sized guys, 853 00:52:25,039 --> 00:52:29,199 it seems to me. And on top of that, and I think, 854 00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:31,800 and I wrote this on my social to me, anybody else can have 855 00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:36,039 their own opinion. This is for Dan Rayphiel boxing fan for my life, 856 00:52:36,239 --> 00:52:38,280 who's been doing this a hell of a long time. If you said I 857 00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:42,960 can have one fight, to me, that's the most interesting fight in boxing, 858 00:52:43,559 --> 00:52:47,519 exciting, competitive, don't know who's gonna win, and badass matchup. 859 00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:51,840 You give me at one hundred and eighteen or one hundred and fifteen if they 860 00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:55,679 decided to do that. You give me Nakatani against Jesse Vaan Rodriguez and I'd 861 00:52:55,679 --> 00:52:59,719 probably give you one of my fingers or toes for that fight. Okay, 862 00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:02,440 you don't have to go that far. Uh And by the way, it's 863 00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:06,639 not that far beyond the realm that it could happen, all right, So 864 00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:10,320 stay tuned on what's next off of that knockout what else from the card. 865 00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:14,440 I know, we joked, we joked about one of the fighters in one 866 00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:16,039 of the fights not only missed the weight by as I like to say, 867 00:53:16,039 --> 00:53:20,519 a couple of exits on the interstate. He ended up in another state on 868 00:53:20,559 --> 00:53:22,519 the interstate in missing the weight, you're gonna expect that, so and what 869 00:53:22,599 --> 00:53:25,480 else on the rest of the car. So the fight that was canceled at 870 00:53:25,519 --> 00:53:30,920 the weigh and on Friday, this was supposed to be the WBO Junior bandamweight 871 00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:35,440 champion Cosey Tanaka, an excellent fighter from Japan who was won titles in four 872 00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:38,039 divisions. He was supposed to make the first offense of this belt and his 873 00:53:38,159 --> 00:53:44,480 challenger was from Mexico, Jonathan Titan Rodriguez. He was dramatically overweight to put 874 00:53:44,519 --> 00:53:46,960 him mildly, So Tanaka makes the weight one fourteen point eight right in the 875 00:53:47,039 --> 00:53:51,599 you know, a little bit under the weight limit, and Rodriguez apparently didn't 876 00:53:51,599 --> 00:53:53,920 realize he was fighting a junior a junior what do you call it? A 877 00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:58,760 junior bandnamweight title fight that he thought he was fighting a what a junior featherweight 878 00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:02,320 title fight. So he comes in and change overweight six point twenty five pounds 879 00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:07,639 over which is massive at those levels, huge one hundred and twenty one point 880 00:54:07,679 --> 00:54:09,679 five pounds, not by any means the biggest. We were actually having a 881 00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:14,000 back and forth with a few people on Twitter about some of the weights that 882 00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:17,159 have happened for guys who've been overweight. I recalled one fight where a light 883 00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:21,960 heavyweight, Sean Estrada, who was the United States Olympian, was supposed to 884 00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:27,599 box on an ESPN two card years ago, came in like literally twenty four 885 00:54:27,639 --> 00:54:31,519 pounds overweight. I mean, why did you even sign a contract anyway, 886 00:54:31,880 --> 00:54:35,880 But if you're a if you're in a little weight class like junior Banham weight 887 00:54:36,239 --> 00:54:39,639 and you're six and changeover, that is gargantuan. So anyway, the bottom 888 00:54:39,679 --> 00:54:44,079 line was so that fight got canceled, but that left other fights that were 889 00:54:44,119 --> 00:54:46,679 still on the show. So in the co feature in this and I think 890 00:54:46,719 --> 00:54:52,280 it was only in the co feature because Rudy Hernandez, the trainer from California 891 00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:55,599 who's a great trainer, very underrated, the older brother of the former junior 892 00:54:55,679 --> 00:55:00,639 lightweight champion General Hernandez, who died several years ago. Rudy is a great 893 00:55:00,639 --> 00:55:04,000 boxing guy. I've known Rudy for probably twenty years. He is the trainer 894 00:55:04,039 --> 00:55:07,280 of Nakatani, but he also was the trainer for Anthony Alaskagua, who was 895 00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:10,000 in another title fight, but rather than have the two fights back to back 896 00:55:10,039 --> 00:55:14,360 because they wanted Rudy, I guess to have some time in between if necessary. 897 00:55:14,679 --> 00:55:19,519 Plus Uh the junior featherweight tension. UH Nasikawa, who's the big kickboxing 898 00:55:19,519 --> 00:55:22,639 star in Japan that's now pursuing a boxinger. He's got huge popularity, so 899 00:55:22,719 --> 00:55:27,159 that fight was the co feature. It also kept Rudy separated by one fight 900 00:55:27,199 --> 00:55:30,519 in between. So in that co feature, he had not Nasokawa, who 901 00:55:30,599 --> 00:55:35,360 might be familiar to American fans because when Floyd Mayweather had his first ever exhibition 902 00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:40,239 after retiring, he fought around New Year's time in Japan against Nakasawa, who 903 00:55:40,280 --> 00:55:45,559 had not fought as a boxer yet and he was outweighed by probably twenty five 904 00:55:45,599 --> 00:55:49,400 pounds Floyd's one hundred and forty seven one hundred and fifty four pounder, and 905 00:55:51,079 --> 00:55:55,920 Nasakawa was fighting in kickboxing like around one two eighteen, and Floyd absolutely destroyed 906 00:55:57,000 --> 00:55:59,400 him in one round. It was kind of like wild, just how he 907 00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:02,480 pummeled him like that. But Nasakawa has put that behind him and he is 908 00:56:02,519 --> 00:56:06,880 turned professional and is trying to pursue a real boxer. And let me tell 909 00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:08,480 you, the kid's getting better. He's only he's a very young fighter, 910 00:56:08,519 --> 00:56:13,480 relatively speaking. He's only twenty five years old after a long kickboxing career, 911 00:56:13,519 --> 00:56:15,679 which by the way, he was like forty something to oh in kickboxing. 912 00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:21,519 But he's coming along. He's you know, he beat up on Jonathan Torres 913 00:56:21,599 --> 00:56:24,280 Rodriguez, not to be confused with the one that was six and changed overweight. 914 00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:28,440 This was a guy with twenty plus fights seventeen to three and one now 915 00:56:28,679 --> 00:56:31,559 after the loss, and he pounded him out very impressively in the third round. 916 00:56:31,559 --> 00:56:34,920 So you know, he's a definitely guy to keep an eye on. 917 00:56:35,079 --> 00:56:37,280 He's going to move quickly, I think in terms of this, he's got 918 00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:38,960 four fights now. He's not if he's going to fight for a world title, 919 00:56:39,039 --> 00:56:40,679 he's not going to be a guy that's gonna need, you know, 920 00:56:40,719 --> 00:56:44,639 fifteen fights. He's probably gonna do it inside ten fights, I would guess. 921 00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:46,440 So that was that fight, and then the other fight was the other 922 00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:51,400 world title fight, which I mentioned. The other Rudy Hernandez fighter Anthony alas 923 00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:52,519 Cago, who was in his third fight in a row in Japan. But 924 00:56:52,559 --> 00:56:57,880 he lives and he's a Los Angeles kid, young fighter. When Bam Rodriguez 925 00:56:57,880 --> 00:57:00,880 gave up the unified Flyway to remember he beat Sonny Edwards to unify the IBF 926 00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:06,760 right WBO, he gave those up. So alis Cogo was matched with a 927 00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:10,760 Japanese a south pot named Marie Ku Kano to box for that vacant WBO Flyway 928 00:57:10,840 --> 00:57:15,519 title. And you know Alisicago, who had lost a title fight in the 929 00:57:15,599 --> 00:57:22,119 junior bandamweight division, I mean in the in the junior flyweight division rather two 930 00:57:22,159 --> 00:57:23,880 fights earlier, had gotten stopped. He moved up in weight, he won 931 00:57:23,960 --> 00:57:27,559 a fight, and then he got another title shot. He's only gotten owt 932 00:57:27,559 --> 00:57:30,119 eight fights. I'm not sure how they maneuvered that, but the bottom line 933 00:57:30,159 --> 00:57:32,440 was he took care of Kano and he did it very impressively. He scored 934 00:57:32,440 --> 00:57:36,800 a big knockout with a left upper cut knocked out in the third round, 935 00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:38,960 won the title. And he's a stablemate of Knakatani. They trained together in 936 00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:43,440 Los Angeles, so they were both celebrating together afterwards. But he's a fun 937 00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:45,599 fighter to watch. I'm not sure you know what the long range future is 938 00:57:45,599 --> 00:57:49,079 for him. Haven't seen him get knocked out previously. But maybe he's better 939 00:57:49,119 --> 00:57:52,079 at this weight. He's twenty five years old, you know, and now 940 00:57:52,079 --> 00:57:54,519 he's got a world title belt, so maybe he'll become better, more confident, 941 00:57:54,519 --> 00:57:57,960 the way some guys when they win belts, you know, they say 942 00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:00,519 a lot of people, you know, oh, he's twenty five sent better 943 00:58:00,519 --> 00:58:02,119 because of the title, because you get that confidence and you know that you 944 00:58:02,159 --> 00:58:06,079 can do it, and you're you're performing in front of bigger crowds. So 945 00:58:06,159 --> 00:58:07,679 he's definitely got to keep an eye on also. But that was a you 946 00:58:07,679 --> 00:58:10,360 know, for that whole card, when you're seeing one knockout after another, 947 00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:14,519 I was, uh, I was not disappointed by the action there. What 948 00:58:14,599 --> 00:58:16,800 about cap'n Crunch? You don't like foot loops? What are you an American? 949 00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:21,880 Do you like cap'n Crunch? Is that acceptable? Absolutely? I would. 950 00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:23,960 I absolutely like Captain Crunch, little Peanut butter cereals. But I but 951 00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:28,079 if I do, if I'll say this, I do go for the breakfast 952 00:58:28,119 --> 00:58:31,000 cereal. I usually stick with my old standbys and be like because we always 953 00:58:31,039 --> 00:58:35,880 have some in the in the pantry, corn checks, rice krispies, that's 954 00:58:35,920 --> 00:58:42,280 my go to it. Those are good raisin bran, yes or no goods? 955 00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:44,679 All right, love that. I don't need a lot of sugar cereals. 956 00:58:44,760 --> 00:58:47,840 Listen, I am a cereal connoisseur and have been for fifty five years. 957 00:58:49,239 --> 00:58:51,559 We got a bunch of cereals in the cabinet. Understand, you got 958 00:58:51,559 --> 00:58:52,559 an eleven year old son. They like this, sir, there you go. 959 00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:58,639 They pound the stuff. Uh okay, So there's breakfast go corn flakes. 960 00:58:58,760 --> 00:59:00,239 Japanese boxing, we got that covered, by the way. We do 961 00:59:00,320 --> 00:59:04,760 acknowledge the Friday Night win by Alexis Rocha and the Golden Boy main event. 962 00:59:04,800 --> 00:59:07,559 We talked about it some on the pod. On the preview pod. He 963 00:59:07,599 --> 00:59:13,599 did get the victory look impressive. Santiago Dominguez was huge, I mean physically 964 00:59:13,679 --> 00:59:15,920 literally. Sergio Mora even said, man, he is ten pounds or more 965 00:59:15,960 --> 00:59:21,039 bigger than Rocha, and Rocha handled that coming off the bad knockout. Does 966 00:59:21,119 --> 00:59:24,280 Roacha get in the mix for a welterweight title somewhere down the road, who 967 00:59:24,280 --> 00:59:28,440 knows? But he did win the Golden Boy Friday Night fight, and he 968 00:59:28,480 --> 00:59:32,000 wanted, he wanted going away. It was like ninety nine ninety ninety ninety 969 00:59:32,039 --> 00:59:35,400 two. But it was a fun fight. And you know, he's won 970 00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:39,199 a couple in a rownow since that very harsh loss. And as I said 971 00:59:39,239 --> 00:59:44,079 previously when we were talking about in the in the preview, the welterweight division 972 00:59:44,599 --> 00:59:49,199 has seen attrition because bigger names have left and gone to other weight classes, 973 00:59:49,599 --> 00:59:52,760 and it's been a transition. You know, that always happens when you get 974 00:59:52,760 --> 00:59:54,679 it on disputed champion. So Crawford, you know, put the hammer lock 975 00:59:54,760 --> 00:59:58,480 on it when he knocked out Arrow Spence and it wasn't that much longer afterwards, 976 00:59:58,519 --> 01:00:00,000 where now all the titles are f Actually, you have the new group 977 01:00:00,039 --> 01:00:02,880 of guys that have those belts that are trying to make their name, whether 978 01:00:02,920 --> 01:00:08,599 it's Stanionis or Mario Barrios or Boots Ennis Santian. You know who got defeated. 979 01:00:08,639 --> 01:00:13,920 You got the young kid that beat him, Brian Norman. So there's 980 01:00:13,960 --> 01:00:17,000 there's new blood in that weight class, yep. And Roacha is not new 981 01:00:17,039 --> 01:00:21,280 blood in the weight class, but he's still there as a good quality contnner. 982 01:00:21,320 --> 01:00:23,199 Just because he lost to one fight does not mean he's got two losses, 983 01:00:23,199 --> 01:00:27,800 but I'm talking about in that fight that was more recent. You know, 984 01:00:27,880 --> 01:00:30,840 he still can contend and still get involved in the necks and seems like 985 01:00:30,880 --> 01:00:34,239 a hard worker and makes good fights. And he did. He had a 986 01:00:34,239 --> 01:00:37,360 good crowd there in Indio and got the win. All right, So there's 987 01:00:37,360 --> 01:00:39,559 the Golden Boys. So we've covered all of that on the recap. Let's 988 01:00:39,559 --> 01:00:44,679 get into some news and then we'll be done with some nostalgia. Raphael I 989 01:00:44,679 --> 01:00:47,440 thought we were gonna get Tank Davis and Vasilli Lomachenko and what is this? 990 01:00:47,920 --> 01:00:51,719 What is this? Now that this may not be happening. I saw the 991 01:00:51,719 --> 01:01:00,559 statements from his from his camp here, his manager. How do we take 992 01:01:00,599 --> 01:01:04,599 this? How do we what do we make of this? I'm gonna tell 993 01:01:04,599 --> 01:01:07,280 you what happened. I guess Klimus, who was his career long manager, 994 01:01:07,719 --> 01:01:10,880 spoke to the boxing reporter Steve Kim, who I worked with at ESPN for 995 01:01:10,920 --> 01:01:15,840 a few years years ago, and he told Steve, and Steve posted it 996 01:01:15,880 --> 01:01:22,039 on his social media that Lomachenko had informed him that he did not want to 997 01:01:22,119 --> 01:01:23,719 fight again this year, that he was going to lay off. And so 998 01:01:23,840 --> 01:01:29,000 now keep in mind for the last several weeks, Top Rank and PBC have 999 01:01:29,119 --> 01:01:35,599 been negotiating Gervonte Davis against Lomachenko for a unification fight that was being positioned for 1000 01:01:35,719 --> 01:01:38,519 the month of November. By all accounts the negotiations, I've talked to both 1001 01:01:38,559 --> 01:01:42,440 camps. I've talked to the PBC people, I've talked to the Top Rank 1002 01:01:42,480 --> 01:01:45,920 people. Both sides in separate conversations, and they have no love for each 1003 01:01:45,960 --> 01:01:46,960 other. But yeah, things are going good. We think we're going to 1004 01:01:47,000 --> 01:01:52,920 get it done. Everything was good, they hadn't gotten everything tied up, 1005 01:01:52,960 --> 01:01:57,920 and obviously they didn't enter the negotiations without the two boxers saying do it. 1006 01:01:58,239 --> 01:02:02,400 So Lomachenko was on a board at one point, but he's an old, 1007 01:02:02,480 --> 01:02:07,199 tired fighter like and he just wasn't going to go through that if he didn't 1008 01:02:07,199 --> 01:02:08,840 feel like he could be at his best. So people want to, you 1009 01:02:08,840 --> 01:02:13,199 know, rag on him. I've seen the negativity director towards Loma on social 1010 01:02:13,280 --> 01:02:16,280 media and all that. But here's the bottom line. This is a fighter. 1011 01:02:16,280 --> 01:02:21,480 When he fought cambosis a few months ago and he won the vacant IBF 1012 01:02:21,559 --> 01:02:23,880 title and went on the road in Australia, he was clear at day in 1013 01:02:23,960 --> 01:02:28,800 his conversation before and after that fight that he didn't even really want to do 1014 01:02:28,880 --> 01:02:31,440 the fight in the first place. He was basically talked into it by his 1015 01:02:31,559 --> 01:02:36,239 father, who's his trainer and as his hero is Idol, who taught him 1016 01:02:36,239 --> 01:02:37,400 out of a box and did everything and all that. He you know, 1017 01:02:37,480 --> 01:02:40,519 has massive respect for his father. Obviously, he said I did it for 1018 01:02:40,639 --> 01:02:45,360 my father. He didn't know if he wanted to fight again after that. 1019 01:02:45,800 --> 01:02:47,639 One thing I'm going to tell you about Vasalla Lomachenko. I've covered his entire 1020 01:02:47,679 --> 01:02:52,199 career. If there is a singular boxer in the history of boxing who literally 1021 01:02:52,239 --> 01:02:55,920 it's not about the money, it's Lomachenko. The money, yeah, it's 1022 01:02:55,920 --> 01:03:00,400 important because you get paid and it makes your life easier, but he's never 1023 01:03:00,559 --> 01:03:05,440 been money first. Money first. He's the guy that didn't want a bonus 1024 01:03:05,480 --> 01:03:07,280 from top rank if they could deliver them a world title fight in their first 1025 01:03:07,360 --> 01:03:09,960 in his first fight, and Bob Aaron was like, I can't get it 1026 01:03:09,960 --> 01:03:13,840 for your first fight, but I can probably give you a world title fight 1027 01:03:14,159 --> 01:03:16,000 if we play it the right way in your second fight. He was never 1028 01:03:16,119 --> 01:03:20,000 about the money. The money when you're as successful as a guy like that 1029 01:03:20,360 --> 01:03:22,760 is going to come with the with the you know, as a reward for 1030 01:03:22,800 --> 01:03:25,960 the big wins. So he was always about the accomplishment. And if he 1031 01:03:27,000 --> 01:03:31,039 can't get himself up mentally to go unify the titles, I think he might 1032 01:03:31,159 --> 01:03:35,119 very well be done unless he finds that hunger again. He did it for 1033 01:03:35,199 --> 01:03:37,400 his dad. He got the job done. And this is not even though 1034 01:03:37,440 --> 01:03:44,760 he only has now what barely twenty professional fights, four hundred amateur fights plus 1035 01:03:45,320 --> 01:03:50,039 you keep saying two Olympic gold medals, ye, and the country of Ukraine 1036 01:03:50,119 --> 01:03:52,480 going through what is going on with family and fighters there, that's definitely wearing 1037 01:03:52,519 --> 01:03:57,920 on it. I was coming to that that we should not just pass that 1038 01:03:58,119 --> 01:04:03,599 off as an insignificant thing. That it's this point if if his attitude is 1039 01:04:03,679 --> 01:04:06,960 I've accomplished what I want to accomplished, I've made the money I wanted to 1040 01:04:08,000 --> 01:04:11,760 make, and we are still in a war torn situation and I want to 1041 01:04:11,800 --> 01:04:15,519 be with my family, then I'll I'll say it bluntly, screw the screw 1042 01:04:15,559 --> 01:04:19,400 the boxing fan that says, well, you're chickening out fighting Jervonte Davis for 1043 01:04:19,440 --> 01:04:23,960 whatever, and to that, to that fan, please, and I'm not 1044 01:04:24,119 --> 01:04:28,559 knocking Dravonte Davis. But they you can't deny what's happened in the past. 1045 01:04:28,599 --> 01:04:32,079 There was a period of time four or five years ago when Loma was much 1046 01:04:32,559 --> 01:04:36,559 better than he is today, even though he's still really freaking good, where 1047 01:04:36,800 --> 01:04:41,239 the the Lomachenko team was trying to make that fight and Floyd Mayweather was the 1048 01:04:41,239 --> 01:04:45,920 promoter of Tank Davis at that time, who had world championship level experience at 1049 01:04:45,920 --> 01:04:47,760 that point and when and there's a video you can find it on YouTube. 1050 01:04:47,760 --> 01:04:50,320 It's not a secret. It's not some like off the record conversation. He 1051 01:04:50,360 --> 01:04:54,679 said it to the press. I heard him say it myself. We're not 1052 01:04:54,679 --> 01:04:57,320 fighting Lomachenko. We're gonna do it on our terms when we're ready. Blah 1053 01:04:57,360 --> 01:05:00,440 blah blah. They knew he wasn't ready, So if Tank ducked him him, 1054 01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:03,199 then now they want to say that Loma is ducking him. Now. 1055 01:05:03,239 --> 01:05:06,199 All I know is it's going to be like there are two ships passing in 1056 01:05:06,239 --> 01:05:12,400 the night. They're from different generations primarily, even though they've they've dovetailed with 1057 01:05:12,480 --> 01:05:15,920 each other in what they've done. Maybe it just wasn't meant to be. 1058 01:05:15,000 --> 01:05:17,440 Now, maybe Loma will wake up on January first, and it's a new 1059 01:05:17,480 --> 01:05:19,280 year and decide, you know what, I'm good to go, and they 1060 01:05:19,360 --> 01:05:23,679 try to make the fight. What about on your ray field meter, I 1061 01:05:23,719 --> 01:05:27,880 love this one. It's never going to happen. Ten. It absolutely happens. 1062 01:05:28,320 --> 01:05:31,400 What if there's a change of heart, still time to do that in 1063 01:05:31,440 --> 01:05:35,360 the next few weeks. Could it still happen November December? Do you put 1064 01:05:35,360 --> 01:05:40,079 that at two, at one and a half, at zero at five? 1065 01:05:40,840 --> 01:05:43,800 Could he have a change of heart in a few weeks and still get the 1066 01:05:43,800 --> 01:05:47,679 fight back on the answer to that is no. I know the loma Chenko 1067 01:05:47,760 --> 01:05:53,320 team and I know Top Rank well enough to know that if Vegas Clemus went 1068 01:05:53,519 --> 01:05:56,559 to top rank on Friday, and I know just because Steve wrote that, 1069 01:05:57,079 --> 01:05:59,800 Not that I didn't believe what Steve's reporting was, but I made my own 1070 01:06:00,199 --> 01:06:03,079 call to the people at Top Rank and I spoke to them and they said 1071 01:06:03,119 --> 01:06:06,280 they were informed by Eegas on Friday that Lomachenko would decide he's not fighting the 1072 01:06:06,320 --> 01:06:10,559 rest of this year. That means he's not fighting the rest of this year. 1073 01:06:10,800 --> 01:06:13,400 That ain't gonna change that. I mean, I guess you never never 1074 01:06:13,480 --> 01:06:15,679 say one hundred percent, never but that's like a ninety nine point nine nine 1075 01:06:16,639 --> 01:06:19,719 nine percent. He is not fighting the rest of this year, And you 1076 01:06:19,840 --> 01:06:23,800 have concern, and I think a lot of fight fans are now joining in. 1077 01:06:23,840 --> 01:06:26,159 Maybe we've seen the last of him. What else is there to prove? 1078 01:06:26,320 --> 01:06:28,639 For me, it's not for me, it's not a concern. It's 1079 01:06:28,639 --> 01:06:31,039 not a concern. If Loma's done, he's done. I mean, as 1080 01:06:31,079 --> 01:06:33,599 I like to say, boxing's not a sport to just be pretty good at 1081 01:06:33,760 --> 01:06:36,199 you know what I mean? You get hurt that way. There's nothing This 1082 01:06:36,280 --> 01:06:40,480 man is not accomplished. He has won titles, he's made money, he's 1083 01:06:40,519 --> 01:06:44,440 won Olympic gold, he's made fans, he's he's been an absolutely brilliant fighter. 1084 01:06:44,679 --> 01:06:47,119 And whenever his last fight is three years hence, he will be in 1085 01:06:47,159 --> 01:06:50,239 the Hall of Fame, period, end of story. And I've been ripped 1086 01:06:50,239 --> 01:06:53,199 about this and raged on it, and I don't give a fuck. I'll 1087 01:06:53,199 --> 01:06:57,679 go to my grave. The best Lomachenko at one hundred and thirty pounds or 1088 01:06:57,719 --> 01:07:00,719 even one hundred and thirty five pounds is right there, neck and neck in 1089 01:07:00,760 --> 01:07:03,039 any fight with Floyd made. Whether that is best, love that, that's 1090 01:07:03,039 --> 01:07:05,480 the kind of skills that man. Both of them have. Yes, the 1091 01:07:05,519 --> 01:07:09,559 matrix, the man has spoken here, Dan Rayfield would know all about that. 1092 01:07:09,599 --> 01:07:14,559 Okay, So that segues into the other interesting aspect here, where is 1093 01:07:14,559 --> 01:07:17,679 Shaqueur Stevenson gonna land since last we did the podcast? Now we talked about 1094 01:07:17,719 --> 01:07:20,960 this on the bet Us Show because Oscar de la Hoya put a social media 1095 01:07:21,519 --> 01:07:27,119 video out saying, Okay, we're not gonna sign Shaqueure Stevenson. Interesting that 1096 01:07:27,159 --> 01:07:32,039 Stevenson has rebutted I wasn't gonna agree with you anyway, and we're gonna ye 1097 01:07:32,159 --> 01:07:34,920 fight back and forth, back and forth. But Stevenson said, we're gonna 1098 01:07:34,920 --> 01:07:40,039 announce soon where we're going. All right, How hard is it to connect 1099 01:07:40,039 --> 01:07:45,519 the dots that maybe the three letters PBC are in the factor and Shaquur Stevenson, 1100 01:07:45,559 --> 01:07:48,440 Gervonte Davis could happen. Maybe not the next fight, but maybe that's 1101 01:07:48,480 --> 01:07:53,400 in the offing. What do you make of all of this where Stevenson needs 1102 01:07:53,400 --> 01:07:56,079 a home and Oscar de la Hoya says it's not going to be a Golden 1103 01:07:56,119 --> 01:07:59,519 Boy home. Well, a couple things about that. Number one oscars reasons 1104 01:07:59,559 --> 01:08:02,519 for that is because I guess he heard the comments that Shaquor has made, 1105 01:08:03,159 --> 01:08:06,199 including after the herd Atunian fight, where I don't fight for the fans, 1106 01:08:06,760 --> 01:08:10,360 and Oscar was not down with that. Yeah, of course you should fight 1107 01:08:10,400 --> 01:08:13,119 for the fans. Now. Your style is your style, but you can't 1108 01:08:13,119 --> 01:08:16,720 disrespect the fan base because they're the ones that essentially pay your purses, because 1109 01:08:16,760 --> 01:08:19,760 that's how we figure out how we can pay you, because that's what we 1110 01:08:19,840 --> 01:08:25,239 base it on. Ticket sales, paper ed force, television license fees or 1111 01:08:25,279 --> 01:08:29,800 streaming service license fees and the light. So that did not go down well 1112 01:08:29,800 --> 01:08:31,159 with Oscar, who always did fight for the fans. From that same point, 1113 01:08:31,159 --> 01:08:33,680 he fought for the money too, but he made great fights and fought 1114 01:08:33,680 --> 01:08:36,960 everybody and then made crowd pleasing events, which is why he was the face 1115 01:08:36,960 --> 01:08:44,640 of boxing for his generation. But it doesn't mean it's entirely impossible that Oscar 1116 01:08:44,720 --> 01:08:47,199 and Schakor could do one fight together because the reality is, of course Stevenson 1117 01:08:47,319 --> 01:08:53,960 is the WBC champion and Oscar's boxer Williams. The PAIDA is the WBC mandatory 1118 01:08:53,960 --> 01:08:57,520 that it's a fight that has been ordered by the WBC now, so Paida 1119 01:08:57,560 --> 01:09:00,760 doesn't have to go through with it. Shakur w have to if he doesn't 1120 01:09:00,760 --> 01:09:03,520 want to be stripped. But Zepeida is in a position that is not a 1121 01:09:03,520 --> 01:09:06,840 position that a lot of fighters will find themselves in. He's not only mandatory 1122 01:09:08,119 --> 01:09:10,720 or number one contender, I should say, in one organization, but he 1123 01:09:10,760 --> 01:09:14,800 happens to be in a rare situation number one in all four. So Oscar 1124 01:09:14,840 --> 01:09:16,560 made the point in his video that they'll announce what they're going to do, 1125 01:09:16,720 --> 01:09:19,960 but he's going to have other options. Now. If Loma is laying off 1126 01:09:20,199 --> 01:09:24,000 for the rest of the year, clearly he's not going to be fighting for 1127 01:09:24,039 --> 01:09:28,119 the IBF title. But that also opens up the prospect of if Tank Davis 1128 01:09:28,159 --> 01:09:30,359 needs an opponent, maybe they make Zepaida against Davis. I'm not saying that's 1129 01:09:30,359 --> 01:09:32,840 going to happen, but that would be a heck of a fight. And 1130 01:09:32,960 --> 01:09:38,359 maybe, like you said, maybe Shaquor ends up fighting a different opponent because 1131 01:09:38,399 --> 01:09:42,000 they'll have a new mandatory appointed because they paid a goes in a different direction. 1132 01:09:42,520 --> 01:09:45,439 Or it would be out of the realm of possibility that Shakur could go 1133 01:09:45,439 --> 01:09:47,880 to the WBC and ask for an exception. I'm not sure if it'd be 1134 01:09:47,880 --> 01:09:51,640 granted or not, because they would have perhaps the opportunity to unify against Tank 1135 01:09:51,720 --> 01:09:55,319 Davis where he might fill in that spot. Now, all that is, 1136 01:09:55,840 --> 01:09:59,439 you know, there's a lot of have to happen, right right. I 1137 01:09:59,479 --> 01:10:01,520 don't see Tank the run in the fight Chakour at the moment, not because 1138 01:10:01,520 --> 01:10:05,039 he's scared of him or anything like that, but because it's just not as 1139 01:10:05,119 --> 01:10:09,119 big of a fight economically as a Loma fight would be in my opinion, 1140 01:10:09,119 --> 01:10:13,960 and it's it's a tough fight. Also, Chakour isn't as a as a 1141 01:10:13,960 --> 01:10:15,640 superb boxer. We know that. You know, this is one of the 1142 01:10:15,760 --> 01:10:18,880 rare times that I'm gonna stop you and say I disagree. I think the 1143 01:10:18,960 --> 01:10:23,800 Shakour fight, with him more in his prime than Loma Chenko is a more 1144 01:10:23,800 --> 01:10:29,359 compelling fight. Now, whether the sides can't agree and it ever happens, 1145 01:10:29,560 --> 01:10:32,640 that's a different argument. But I would be more interested in a prime Shakur. 1146 01:10:33,399 --> 01:10:38,239 Let's see what he can do with Davis and that and honestly, Ryan 1147 01:10:38,279 --> 01:10:42,319 Garcia side, that's probably one of the best fights and fighters that Davis would 1148 01:10:42,319 --> 01:10:45,000 have been across. And so I know, I mean that would be that 1149 01:10:45,000 --> 01:10:47,159 would be the case if he was fighting, If Tank was fighting Shakur or 1150 01:10:47,199 --> 01:10:51,439 fighting Loma, it'd be the best fighter he's faced. Uh, I mean 1151 01:10:51,479 --> 01:10:56,279 Loma. I don't think it's a it's a I'm not making an outrageous statement 1152 01:10:56,279 --> 01:10:59,000 here. He makes far more crowd pleasing fights than Chakur does. And I'm 1153 01:10:59,000 --> 01:11:02,720 not knocking Chikur. He's great at what he does. But I believe strongly 1154 01:11:02,800 --> 01:11:08,880 that from a commercial point of view, a Tank against Loma would be much 1155 01:11:08,960 --> 01:11:12,399 larger financially than the she Court fight. But if listen, if they want 1156 01:11:12,399 --> 01:11:15,399 to do the fight and Shaquort can get around the mandatory in the WBC, 1157 01:11:15,680 --> 01:11:17,039 what means I'm not I'm not saying I don't want to see it, but 1158 01:11:17,479 --> 01:11:21,840 I'm curious from you. You're plugged in as anybody is. Have you heard 1159 01:11:23,000 --> 01:11:26,600 anything as we put the pod to bed and start a new week that Chaquur's 1160 01:11:26,640 --> 01:11:30,920 on the radar for Premiere Boxing Champions to make this simple, Have we heard 1161 01:11:30,960 --> 01:11:32,479 any of that or it's all conjecture at this point? Who knows? I 1162 01:11:32,520 --> 01:11:38,479 haven't heard that because it wasn't only it was only on Friday afternoon that PBC 1163 01:11:39,319 --> 01:11:42,479 was notified that there isn't going to be at Loma fight so I don't think 1164 01:11:42,479 --> 01:11:44,920 they've had a chance. Maybe over the weekend, and I haven't made any 1165 01:11:44,920 --> 01:11:47,439 calls on a Saturday or Sunday, do it, I frankly to be honests. 1166 01:11:47,439 --> 01:11:50,199 Got a lot better shit to do with my life. Got to get 1167 01:11:50,199 --> 01:11:54,119 the deck finished and go cook dinner here in a few minutes, gods over. 1168 01:11:54,439 --> 01:11:57,239 So I mean, maybe those talks will will commence at some point during 1169 01:11:57,279 --> 01:11:59,600 the coming days. I suppose that's possible, at least to feel out to 1170 01:11:59,600 --> 01:12:02,479 see where you're at. I've heard nothing about the prospect, of course signing 1171 01:12:02,479 --> 01:12:09,560 with PBC. I don't think that they're looking to increase their stable with high 1172 01:12:09,560 --> 01:12:12,680 price talent, and I don't think Score is necessarily looking to go to a 1173 01:12:12,680 --> 01:12:15,640 place that is already struggling to keep their own fighters that they already have under 1174 01:12:15,640 --> 01:12:20,439 contract busy. So I don't think there's any animosity between the two camps or 1175 01:12:20,439 --> 01:12:23,439 anything like that. But I just don't think they're the right fit for each 1176 01:12:23,479 --> 01:12:27,760 other in terms of where where both the fighter and the company are at this 1177 01:12:27,800 --> 01:12:30,399 point in their thing. Here's here the reality, and I mean, I 1178 01:12:30,399 --> 01:12:33,439 don't know how it's going to play out. It seems very clear to me 1179 01:12:33,880 --> 01:12:38,239 that the best place for a record to be for a whole million different reasons 1180 01:12:38,520 --> 01:12:41,319 is probably to be able to work out a new deal with top Rank. 1181 01:12:41,800 --> 01:12:45,119 That's my opinion. I'm not kissing ask for top rank. I really don't 1182 01:12:45,119 --> 01:12:47,079 care about your course science. I'm gonna watch and cover his fights wherever he's 1183 01:12:47,119 --> 01:12:50,840 at. But that seems to be the one that's most logical because I just 1184 01:12:50,880 --> 01:12:55,199 don't see PBC there. You know, they've talked about a Mayweather promotions. 1185 01:12:55,319 --> 01:12:58,119 I don't really see what they have to offer him because they have no TV 1186 01:12:58,239 --> 01:13:01,119 agreement that I'm aware of. Boy Oscar made his statement, so it seems 1187 01:13:01,119 --> 01:13:03,640 like they're out of the picture. Natural obviously is in the mix, I 1188 01:13:03,680 --> 01:13:06,079 suppose, and that would be perfectly fine if he could go there too. 1189 01:13:08,239 --> 01:13:11,159 But the grass is not always greener on the other side of the mountain. 1190 01:13:11,199 --> 01:13:15,640 As the point, Okay, good stuff on the news, Nostalgia time as 1191 01:13:15,680 --> 01:13:19,399 we wrap it up. So it was forty two years ago, on Sunday, 1192 01:13:19,520 --> 01:13:23,720 July twenty first of eighty two, nineteen eighty two, that one of 1193 01:13:23,760 --> 01:13:29,680 the great young future Hall of Fame fighters, Salvador Sanchez, fought for the 1194 01:13:29,720 --> 01:13:31,439 final time. We didn't know it at the time just twenty three years of 1195 01:13:31,479 --> 01:13:38,279 age, a tremendous fight with a Zuma Nelson where Sanchez eventually got a TKO 1196 01:13:38,359 --> 01:13:42,560 in the final round, the fifteenth and final round at Madison Square Garden, 1197 01:13:43,039 --> 01:13:45,600 and then just three weeks later in nineteen eighty two, would be killed in 1198 01:13:45,640 --> 01:13:50,960 a car accident at a high rate of speed his fault driving. Killed and 1199 01:13:51,399 --> 01:13:57,079 gone at twenty three. This was his final fight July twenty first, forty 1200 01:13:57,119 --> 01:14:00,920 two years ago, nineteen eighty two. I still remember being a young kid 1201 01:14:01,319 --> 01:14:08,039 and Salvador Sanchez fought repeatedly on Network TV in the United States against Danny Little 1202 01:14:08,039 --> 01:14:12,600 Red Lopez and had another had another title fight. I think, yes, 1203 01:14:12,640 --> 01:14:16,039 the closed circuit thing was coming into effect as well, but they would always 1204 01:14:16,039 --> 01:14:21,119 taken a close circuit fights. Those those fights were repeated on the network on 1205 01:14:21,159 --> 01:14:25,600 network to even though people knew the result, there was only three channels, 1206 01:14:25,720 --> 01:14:28,239 so people still watched it, you know, they had maybe seen the closed 1207 01:14:28,239 --> 01:14:30,800 circuit. So he made he made a lot of fans that way. So 1208 01:14:30,000 --> 01:14:32,159 this fight, like you mentioned, this was what turned out to be his 1209 01:14:32,239 --> 01:14:36,199 last fight. It was that Madison Square Garden and as Zuma Nelson was like 1210 01:14:36,439 --> 01:14:42,800 a late replacement in the fight, completely unknown fighter coming over from Ghana in 1211 01:14:42,880 --> 01:14:45,359 Africa. No one really knew anything about him. He only had a handful 1212 01:14:45,399 --> 01:14:48,199 of fights going into this fight. The only forget his record maybe like fifteen 1213 01:14:48,239 --> 01:14:53,840 sixteen and oh something along those lines. And so it was a real kind 1214 01:14:53,880 --> 01:14:57,880 of eye opener when you see them put on not only a spectacular fight, 1215 01:14:57,960 --> 01:15:01,000 but this guy that no one ever freaking heard of, is going you know, 1216 01:15:01,119 --> 01:15:06,600 right with right with Salvador Sanchez, who was already an established legend at 1217 01:15:06,600 --> 01:15:11,560 that point when I looked it up. As Zuoma Nelson was in fact thirteen 1218 01:15:11,600 --> 01:15:14,960 and oh going into that fight. But they put on an all time classic. 1219 01:15:15,239 --> 01:15:17,000 Like you mentioned, we didn't know it at a time, but it 1220 01:15:17,039 --> 01:15:20,600 was his last fight of his career, but he scored a resounding victory in 1221 01:15:20,640 --> 01:15:27,159 a great fight that that aged well because a Zuma Nelson who got knocked down 1222 01:15:27,159 --> 01:15:30,439 in that fight against Sanchez twice before he got stopped in the fifteenth round, 1223 01:15:30,479 --> 01:15:32,600 was down in the fifth, seventh round, was down in the fifteenth round. 1224 01:15:33,039 --> 01:15:38,239 Just a tremendous battle. But Sanchez dies, but as Zuma Nelson went 1225 01:15:38,279 --> 01:15:42,079 on to become an all time great. Also like again, he had no 1226 01:15:42,119 --> 01:15:45,199 idea at that time that this was Sanchez matching up with a great But in 1227 01:15:45,199 --> 01:15:49,279 the reality is, if you look down Salvador Sanchez's record, maybe besides the 1228 01:15:49,319 --> 01:15:54,600 Wilfredo Gomez fight, Sanchez, I mean Nelson might be his best opponent that 1229 01:15:54,600 --> 01:15:58,159 he fought, even though he fought a lot of top guys like including Lopez. 1230 01:15:58,199 --> 01:16:01,920 Like you mentioned, Nelson went on and won titles in the featherweight division 1231 01:16:01,920 --> 01:16:05,000 and moved up and won the title twice at one hundred and thirty pounds and 1232 01:16:05,159 --> 01:16:11,960 actually just celebrated his birthday a couple of days ago. Awesome fight. Love 1233 01:16:12,039 --> 01:16:15,640 this fight worth watching. Fifteen round classic, you know, didn't quite make 1234 01:16:15,680 --> 01:16:17,199 it to the end of the fifteenth round, close and competitive. I just 1235 01:16:17,239 --> 01:16:21,720 looked up the scorecards. They were only separated by that by It was actually 1236 01:16:21,760 --> 01:16:26,399 a split decision going into that last round. One judge had Nelson winning, 1237 01:16:26,399 --> 01:16:30,239 two judges had Sanchez up very closely in the two scorecards. And what do 1238 01:16:30,359 --> 01:16:33,439 we always say, if you can in the fight, do not leave them 1239 01:16:33,439 --> 01:16:36,119 in the hands of the judges. And the great Rabbit or Sanchez did that 1240 01:16:36,159 --> 01:16:39,439 in the fifteenth and final round. If you can end it end it. 1241 01:16:39,880 --> 01:16:44,600 The interesting thing is after this fight was over and Sanchez had secured the victory 1242 01:16:44,640 --> 01:16:46,960 against Nelson, don King, who was the promoter and promoted a lot of 1243 01:16:47,840 --> 01:16:53,239 Sanchez's fights and Nelson fights through the years, had announced, like at the 1244 01:16:53,239 --> 01:16:56,600 press conference after this match, that Sanchez was going to fight one the Port 1245 01:16:56,600 --> 01:17:00,920 in a rematch, another fight that was going to take place that fall at 1246 01:17:00,920 --> 01:17:03,319 the Garden, And obviously it did not happen because unfortunately Sanchez three weeks later 1247 01:17:03,439 --> 01:17:08,520 wrapped his Porsche around whatever and was killed. And you know, like you 1248 01:17:08,560 --> 01:17:11,479 said, a one car accident, just going way, way too fast. 1249 01:17:11,600 --> 01:17:15,119 And the fact that he was only twenty three years old is just mind boggling 1250 01:17:15,119 --> 01:17:19,000 because he had almost fifty fights and was already like one of the greats of 1251 01:17:19,039 --> 01:17:23,880 all times. And I realized the newer boxing fans maybe don't appreciate this. 1252 01:17:24,079 --> 01:17:30,439 He was a he row at twenty three in Mexico. You watched the footage 1253 01:17:30,439 --> 01:17:34,199 of the funeral and the morning and the tens of thousands of people that were 1254 01:17:34,239 --> 01:17:40,039 devastated in the town where he was. Uh, they're carrying literally his coffin 1255 01:17:40,199 --> 01:17:45,279 his body through the streets by hand, the public by the thousands, passing 1256 01:17:45,319 --> 01:17:48,479 the coffin. I'm not exaggerating. This is not a movie passing the coffin 1257 01:17:48,520 --> 01:17:51,359 from group of people to group of people to carry. I mean, he 1258 01:17:51,560 --> 01:17:57,640 was beloved hero. It's faded now forty years later. We bring it up 1259 01:17:57,840 --> 01:18:00,600 in situations like this with and Alga just but that that was such a devastating 1260 01:18:00,640 --> 01:18:04,399 thing at that time. But he was such a great fighter at that time, 1261 01:18:04,479 --> 01:18:08,880 cut way way too short, great skills, great heart, great power, 1262 01:18:08,960 --> 01:18:15,159 great ability, forty four one and one at age twenty three before he 1263 01:18:15,239 --> 01:18:16,760 died. I mean, you know, you don't know how much longer he 1264 01:18:16,760 --> 01:18:19,119 would have been around because he already had a lot of fights, obviously at 1265 01:18:19,119 --> 01:18:21,439 a young age. But you got a figure he would have you know, 1266 01:18:21,520 --> 01:18:25,560 that was back in the day where it wasn't uncommon for the top grades to 1267 01:18:25,600 --> 01:18:28,960 maybe have eighty fights like he could have been around for another, you know, 1268 01:18:29,000 --> 01:18:30,600 another seven eight years fighting against top guys, and you know, who 1269 01:18:30,600 --> 01:18:33,159 knows if he would have moved up to one hundred and thirty or lightweight and 1270 01:18:33,239 --> 01:18:38,760 try to do some uh uh some damage up in those weight classes. He's 1271 01:18:38,800 --> 01:18:41,520 one of the biggest what ifs in boxing. What would have been he was 1272 01:18:41,560 --> 01:18:45,800 already great, but how much horrible tragedy when it happened. Shocked, But 1273 01:18:45,880 --> 01:18:48,600 that fight is just phenomenal. Just go watch it on YouTube, do yourself 1274 01:18:48,600 --> 01:18:53,760 a favor. Go check it. Okay, So advanced forward to July twenty 1275 01:18:53,800 --> 01:18:58,399 second of nineteen eighty nine, seven years later, now thirty five years ago 1276 01:18:58,479 --> 01:19:02,960 on Sunday Night. My Tyson's last win before the Buster Douglas Upset is a 1277 01:19:03,079 --> 01:19:09,239 ninety three second ko of Carl the Truth Williams in Atlantic City. I still 1278 01:19:09,279 --> 01:19:13,640 remember this, and I actually relived it maybe last year in watching it because 1279 01:19:13,640 --> 01:19:15,920 I'm always fascinated with all the Tyson stuff. We bring it up in the 1280 01:19:15,960 --> 01:19:20,479 nostalgia, and there was so much personal turmoil going on with him, with 1281 01:19:20,560 --> 01:19:28,119 the Don King breaching, the relationship with Kevin Rooney who got booted, and 1282 01:19:28,119 --> 01:19:31,119 Bill Cayton who they were suing, and then he's getting divorced with Robin Gibbons, 1283 01:19:31,119 --> 01:19:35,000 his wife, and then this fight is a big Tyson punch. It 1284 01:19:35,039 --> 01:19:40,319 was a big left, right and correct and Carl Williams gets up and doesn't 1285 01:19:40,359 --> 01:19:44,279 respond to the referee saying are you okay? And the referee with Carl Williams 1286 01:19:44,319 --> 01:19:46,119 standing in front of him. The truth just waves his hands and says that's 1287 01:19:46,159 --> 01:19:50,039 it, and there's people raining booze down and going for you know, I 1288 01:19:50,079 --> 01:19:53,960 never really thought it was I never really thought it was a bad stoppage because 1289 01:19:53,960 --> 01:19:56,760 he was out of it, like he didn't really know what was He got 1290 01:19:56,880 --> 01:19:59,800 up and he's still being in front of the ref while the count's going, 1291 01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:02,000 and it's what it's Randy Newman, not the musician, but the referee. 1292 01:20:02,039 --> 01:20:06,039 I think Randy Newman not to be confused with I Love La. I'm not 1293 01:20:06,039 --> 01:20:10,760 going to sing anymore. But the bottom line is what he said after the 1294 01:20:10,800 --> 01:20:13,439 fight, the referee. I looked in his eyes that I could tell, 1295 01:20:13,479 --> 01:20:15,159 I'm a former fighter. He was done. I think a lot of people 1296 01:20:15,199 --> 01:20:17,359 were blood thirsty that night. They wanted to see a little more of Mike 1297 01:20:17,399 --> 01:20:20,960 Tyson. Besides ninety seconds and one punch. I mean it was ninety three 1298 01:20:20,960 --> 01:20:25,359 seconds. It was the This was the this was really what you would I 1299 01:20:25,359 --> 01:20:28,479 guess, because he lost the buster in the next fight. This was the 1300 01:20:28,600 --> 01:20:31,560 end of the peak Tyson. This was the end of that. We didn't 1301 01:20:31,600 --> 01:20:34,239 know it at the time. We obviously didn't know it at the time, 1302 01:20:34,279 --> 01:20:38,039 but yes, obviously yeah, just like we didn't know that Sanchez was going 1303 01:20:38,119 --> 01:20:41,000 to die three weeks later after he fought as Joe Nelson. But this was 1304 01:20:41,000 --> 01:20:45,239 a night where Tyson was at his typical destructive ways by scoring a ninety three 1305 01:20:45,239 --> 01:20:49,199 second knockout. He was the undisputed champion. He'd already uh not only was 1306 01:20:49,199 --> 01:20:53,079 on disputed with all the belts, he was lineal because he already beating Michael 1307 01:20:53,119 --> 01:20:57,039 Spinks to clear that situation up, and he was just doing damage everybody. 1308 01:20:57,039 --> 01:20:59,000 And Karl Williams, by the way, was a really good fucking fighter. 1309 01:20:59,159 --> 01:21:01,079 This was not I mean, people like to say Tyson never fought anybody. 1310 01:21:01,239 --> 01:21:03,680 That's fucking wrong. Because if you take a look at like take a look 1311 01:21:03,680 --> 01:21:06,920 at like the ring saying that, a lot of people say that shit to 1312 01:21:06,960 --> 01:21:11,159 the ring, go to the ring magazine rankings, from like anything. Spinx 1313 01:21:11,239 --> 01:21:14,279 is in the Hall of Fame, Larry Holmes is in the Hall of Fame. 1314 01:21:14,359 --> 01:21:18,199 What but rayfhaiel, what are we doing here that he's going They'll say 1315 01:21:18,199 --> 01:21:21,800 that Spinx was a fucking light heavyweight, that that should have lost the Holmes 1316 01:21:21,800 --> 01:21:26,760 and got lucky to get the wings in the Hall of Fame. You're asking 1317 01:21:26,800 --> 01:21:30,039 me what the argument is. I'm fucking telling you Larry Holmes is off a 1318 01:21:30,079 --> 01:21:31,920 long layoff in kind of old at that point, even though he fought for 1319 01:21:31,960 --> 01:21:35,800 many more years and Tyson destroyed him. But Carl Williams was a very solid 1320 01:21:35,920 --> 01:21:40,119 quality fighter. Tyson, as I said, he was undisputed he had made 1321 01:21:40,520 --> 01:21:44,840 Uh this was his ninth defense of that title. He ended up making nine 1322 01:21:44,840 --> 01:21:47,920 successful defenses of the WBC title and then obviously picked up the other belts along 1323 01:21:47,960 --> 01:21:50,960 the way. And uh, he just knocked him out. And it was 1324 01:21:51,159 --> 01:21:55,880 the type of thing where back if this was happening today, probably beyond pay 1325 01:21:55,920 --> 01:21:59,840 per view, this was just a regular live HBO fight back as it normally 1326 01:22:00,199 --> 01:22:02,840 in those days. And you know we took him out. Took place in 1327 01:22:02,880 --> 01:22:08,359 Atlantic City in a fight sponsored by the casino that Donald Trump owned at the 1328 01:22:08,359 --> 01:22:12,039 time. And this was this was Tyson when he was doing all the damage 1329 01:22:12,039 --> 01:22:14,600 that you could want. This is like when I remember this, this is 1330 01:22:14,640 --> 01:22:16,319 the time when I'm like a teenager, I'm like, you know, eighteen 1331 01:22:16,399 --> 01:22:20,359 nineteen years old, and you know everybody wanted to watch Tyson. You had 1332 01:22:20,439 --> 01:22:25,119 made sure you were home. Remember this is not there was no fucking YouTube, 1333 01:22:25,359 --> 01:22:29,439 there's no smartphones. HBO was showing the fight back in those days. 1334 01:22:29,439 --> 01:22:32,680 They showed the fight once. There wasn't like fifty replays. It was it. 1335 01:22:32,800 --> 01:22:35,920 You missed it live and you were sol shit out of luck. So 1336 01:22:36,039 --> 01:22:39,199 you made sure you were in your TV, in front of your TV that 1337 01:22:39,199 --> 01:22:42,319 Saturday night, and you know he did the job, and that was that 1338 01:22:42,439 --> 01:22:45,840 was the hs tape if you weren't in front of your TV with your VCO. 1339 01:22:45,920 --> 01:22:47,720 And by the way, there was many nights because at that time when 1340 01:22:47,720 --> 01:22:51,439 I'm a teenager, so this fight was July of nineteen eighty nine, so 1341 01:22:51,600 --> 01:22:56,840 I am a month shy of my nineteenth birthday. So while I couldn't tell 1342 01:22:56,840 --> 01:23:00,039 you, I don't I did not watch this fight live. I believe I 1343 01:23:00,239 --> 01:23:03,560 did set the VCR. I probably was working at my job that I worked 1344 01:23:03,720 --> 01:23:06,760 to make a few dollars and watch it when I came home from that job 1345 01:23:06,800 --> 01:23:11,399 on it. I honestly, I don't think I watched this one live. 1346 01:23:11,640 --> 01:23:15,640 And again it was a different time because there is no internet. They didn't 1347 01:23:15,640 --> 01:23:19,079 have seven HBO channels back in the day. HBO doesn't exist anymore, Dan 1348 01:23:21,039 --> 01:23:25,880 doesn't. HBO stills exist, but now they extinguished the HBO brand. It's 1349 01:23:25,920 --> 01:23:28,960 just called Max now. I mean really, because when I put on my 1350 01:23:29,000 --> 01:23:31,159 cable guy it still says HBO. Yeah, but they've extinguished it. But 1351 01:23:31,199 --> 01:23:33,359 I mean, this is fucking stud Let's have go on. I'm gonna go 1352 01:23:33,359 --> 01:23:38,000 on a like a very brief hand, quickly, quickly run that company. 1353 01:23:38,239 --> 01:23:42,079 Are the stupidest motherfuckers who ever lived who took an absolutely one of the most 1354 01:23:42,279 --> 01:23:45,720 iconic brands in DA in the history of the existence of the medium, like 1355 01:23:46,079 --> 01:23:53,239 HBO, which is associated with great production, great entertainment, great series, 1356 01:23:53,279 --> 01:23:57,479 great events, sports movies, you name it, and they threw it out 1357 01:23:57,479 --> 01:24:00,000 for what are they call it? Max? Max? The fuck is that 1358 01:24:00,399 --> 01:24:04,159 Warner Brothers Discovery, which by the way, is in fifty billion dollars debt 1359 01:24:04,399 --> 01:24:10,920 stupid fifty five zero. So anyway, Tyson gets that KO doesn't take long 1360 01:24:10,960 --> 01:24:14,039 to relive it. You can be the judge for yourself whether Carl Williams could 1361 01:24:14,039 --> 01:24:16,880 have gone on but Carl the truth went down that night and one more piece 1362 01:24:16,920 --> 01:24:25,239 of nostalgia advanced now forward another eighteen years, that is, seventeen years later, 1363 01:24:25,319 --> 01:24:31,800 on July twenty first, seventeen years ago, on Sunday, Bernard Hopkins 1364 01:24:31,800 --> 01:24:38,880 and Winky Right sat Pete, Florida's Winky Wright battled for the lineal light heavyweight 1365 01:24:38,920 --> 01:24:41,920 title. You were their ringside. Give me a little nostalgia and what you 1366 01:24:41,960 --> 01:24:45,880 remember for July twenty first, two thousand and seven. One thing I remember 1367 01:24:45,920 --> 01:24:49,520 is when the fight was made a lot of people were critical about it because 1368 01:24:49,560 --> 01:24:54,319 even though they respected the great abilities of Winky Wright and of Bernard Hopkins, 1369 01:24:54,800 --> 01:24:57,880 neither one of them was the type of fighter that would light up with excitement 1370 01:24:57,960 --> 01:25:00,079 when it came to making those fights. I mean, they were tech the 1371 01:25:00,159 --> 01:25:02,640 goal and you know, very smooth boxers and you know, did not mix 1372 01:25:02,680 --> 01:25:05,479 it up. And now when you take two fighters that have a similar kind 1373 01:25:05,520 --> 01:25:10,640 of style like that and you put them together, like the pushback was like 1374 01:25:10,680 --> 01:25:15,000 this fight's gonna suck. And so the promoters they kind of knew they were 1375 01:25:15,039 --> 01:25:16,279 kind of up against. They were putting this on HBO pay per view, 1376 01:25:16,439 --> 01:25:19,760 and knew it was kind of a hard cell middle of the summer. You 1377 01:25:19,800 --> 01:25:24,319 know, guys who were good names, but not huge stars with styles that 1378 01:25:24,319 --> 01:25:27,960 would not necessarily compliment one one another. I believe, if I'm not mistaken, 1379 01:25:28,000 --> 01:25:32,119 they named the fight coming to fight, like playing off on the fact 1380 01:25:32,119 --> 01:25:34,640 that, like they're actually gonna come to fight, they're not gonna stink it 1381 01:25:34,640 --> 01:25:38,800 out. So that was lying somehow that they were coming to do something else 1382 01:25:39,000 --> 01:25:42,680 like board or basketball. Here's the thing, Well, it didn't turn out 1383 01:25:42,720 --> 01:25:45,439 to be like some all time classic. It was way better than I think 1384 01:25:45,479 --> 01:25:47,439 a lot of us expected it to be. Now, Bernard he was the 1385 01:25:47,560 --> 01:25:53,439 established lineal light heavyweight champion. Two fights earlier he had lost the middleway title 1386 01:25:53,439 --> 01:25:56,600 to Jermaine Taylor, or three fights earlier, i should say, and then 1387 01:25:56,640 --> 01:25:59,880 in the rematch he lost again. Then after that fight he went from one 1388 01:26:00,000 --> 01:26:01,920 six he moved up to one seventy five, and he scored the big upset 1389 01:26:01,920 --> 01:26:05,560 over Antonio Tarver in two thousand and six, a fight that you'rs truly picked 1390 01:26:05,760 --> 01:26:09,800 one of my best picks ever. And then in his next fight, he 1391 01:26:09,840 --> 01:26:13,079 didn't have a belt, but he was defending the lineal title and they were 1392 01:26:13,119 --> 01:26:16,279 looking for a name opponent and Winky Wright, who had never fought above one 1393 01:26:16,319 --> 01:26:20,640 hundred and sixty pounds, he was coming off of a scenario where he had 1394 01:26:20,840 --> 01:26:26,800 he had been ike Quarte, a fight that Reeves was at at the facility 1395 01:26:26,840 --> 01:26:30,520 where Jake Paul just pummeled Mike Perry. What was the Saint Pete Times Forum 1396 01:26:30,560 --> 01:26:34,880 the Downtown Arenas now Theamily Arena. So he beat Quarte, so he's kind 1397 01:26:34,880 --> 01:26:38,840 of in position as a name. But in the fight before that, he 1398 01:26:38,880 --> 01:26:43,000 had fought to the draw with Jermaine Taylor for the unified middleweight title in Jermaine, 1399 01:26:43,039 --> 01:26:45,039 of course, had beaten Bernard Hopkins, so they had a lot of 1400 01:26:45,039 --> 01:26:49,399 that common aspect. Then he had obviously beaten Quarte in a very good performance, 1401 01:26:49,399 --> 01:26:53,479 and so they he makes the decision he can't land a big fight after 1402 01:26:53,520 --> 01:26:56,880 that. There was no one that was willing to fight him. Bernard was 1403 01:26:56,920 --> 01:27:00,319 looking for an opponent, you know, aigh light heavyweight. So what they 1404 01:27:00,319 --> 01:27:02,279 did was they decided, okay, we'll fight each other, and so they 1405 01:27:02,319 --> 01:27:04,880 made the fight. You know, Bernard didn't really have trouble making one hundred 1406 01:27:04,880 --> 01:27:09,199 and seventy five pounds. He could easily have come down to super middleweight if 1407 01:27:09,239 --> 01:27:12,319 he wanted to. In the end, they made the fight at a catchweight 1408 01:27:12,359 --> 01:27:15,079 of one seventy so it was still for the title at one seventy five lineal 1409 01:27:15,159 --> 01:27:19,039 speaking, and he came down a few pounds where he had fought Tarvor Whink. 1410 01:27:19,039 --> 01:27:21,279 He had gone up to ten pounds because he never weigh heavier than that, 1411 01:27:21,640 --> 01:27:25,399 and it was a close fight. I actually looked this up Harold Letterman, 1412 01:27:26,159 --> 01:27:30,079 the Great former unofficial score of the Late Great Harold Letterman Hall of Famer 1413 01:27:30,199 --> 01:27:32,319 on HBO. He actually scored the bout a one fourteen to one fourteen draw, 1414 01:27:33,520 --> 01:27:35,600 and a lot of people had it awfully close, you know, a 1415 01:27:35,640 --> 01:27:40,319 seven to five in favor of Bernard. Winky Wright complained a lot afterwards because 1416 01:27:40,319 --> 01:27:43,560 he had had an accidental head button round two that he said, had you 1417 01:27:43,600 --> 01:27:45,560 know done, damaged him and you know didn't quite make it right for him 1418 01:27:45,560 --> 01:27:48,760 in that fight. But in the end, this will go down as one 1419 01:27:48,760 --> 01:27:55,119 of the top wins on Bernard's record, aside from the famous wins that knocking 1420 01:27:55,159 --> 01:27:59,279 out dal La Joya, the huge upset over Trinidad, well, the upset 1421 01:27:59,319 --> 01:28:04,079 over Pablicit over uh, like I said, Tito Trinidad and Antonio Tarveror. 1422 01:28:04,159 --> 01:28:10,079 But this fight was another top Hall of Fame name that he got in Berni 1423 01:28:10,159 --> 01:28:13,479 Trent. I don't care what the size different was. Winky Wright was a 1424 01:28:13,520 --> 01:28:17,720 tough dude to fight, no matter who you were uh and excellent defensive fighter, 1425 01:28:17,760 --> 01:28:21,119 hard to hit. We always do these things. Why my one major 1426 01:28:21,199 --> 01:28:24,920 memory though of this this was at the Mandalay Bay. Wasn't so much from 1427 01:28:24,960 --> 01:28:27,760 being ring set on the night of the fight. It was the previous day 1428 01:28:27,800 --> 01:28:30,159 at the Way. Now, I was working for ESPN at that time and 1429 01:28:30,199 --> 01:28:33,119 we were covering this fight. Not only was there there writing for ESPN dot 1430 01:28:33,159 --> 01:28:35,680 Com for the website, but we were again it was the middle of the 1431 01:28:35,680 --> 01:28:39,600 summer, there was a lot going on, so ESPN decided we're going to 1432 01:28:39,640 --> 01:28:43,279 cover this fight for Sports Center. So I was the one of the Sports 1433 01:28:43,279 --> 01:28:47,000 Center guys covering the fight on television as well, and we were taking the 1434 01:28:47,079 --> 01:28:50,920 way In live on SportsCenter like we would do for some of the bigger fights. 1435 01:28:51,880 --> 01:28:55,439 They knew the fight was having trouble selling because of the reason I just 1436 01:28:55,439 --> 01:28:59,159 outlined to about how they were you know, styles that weren't going unncessarily make 1437 01:28:59,239 --> 01:29:01,680 for a big fight, not big huge fan basis. So Bernard Hopkins had 1438 01:29:01,680 --> 01:29:04,239 the brilliant idea, it's like, we gotta spice this up. So he 1439 01:29:04,720 --> 01:29:12,520 basically ignited a nonsensical shoving and fighting match at the Way In which was a 1440 01:29:12,520 --> 01:29:15,840 big fucking mess. The problem was Rayphiel is miked up. I'm supposed to 1441 01:29:15,840 --> 01:29:18,159 be there to do when they come off the scales. You've seen this a 1442 01:29:18,199 --> 01:29:20,840 thousand times. They bring the guy off the scale and he goes and does 1443 01:29:20,840 --> 01:29:25,279 like a two second you know interview. You get two questions with Bernard and 1444 01:29:25,319 --> 01:29:29,199 two questions with Winky exactly. So I was doing that role for Sports Center 1445 01:29:29,199 --> 01:29:32,520 that day. So I'm gonna interview both guys coming off the scale. They 1446 01:29:32,560 --> 01:29:36,680 they they are about to They've waded in. They're now gonna come speak to 1447 01:29:36,720 --> 01:29:41,840 me, and Bernard takes a swing at Winky Wright and the whole fucking place 1448 01:29:42,039 --> 01:29:45,720 up. Now I'm standing on the stage at Mandalay Bay. The problem was 1449 01:29:45,000 --> 01:29:47,720 I'm miked up. I've got the earpiece and I've got the shit in my 1450 01:29:47,840 --> 01:29:53,119 back pocket, like the the you're tethered. You're tethered electronically, Yes you 1451 01:29:53,159 --> 01:29:56,720 can. My range of motion, I only have like a radius right I 1452 01:29:56,720 --> 01:29:59,800 can move It is maybe like three or four feet or I'm gonna be pulling 1453 01:29:59,840 --> 01:30:03,520 can down and I couldn't get away. I'm like about to get run over 1454 01:30:03,560 --> 01:30:06,239 by these fucking beasts. So we're going crazy on the stage, so I 1455 01:30:06,279 --> 01:30:11,880 almost felt big security day. I almost it would have been an absolute disaster. 1456 01:30:12,000 --> 01:30:15,359 I would have been very badly injured. Thank God, they've talked about 1457 01:30:15,359 --> 01:30:16,960 this before. Didn't you eventually get a question in? Didn't we calm it 1458 01:30:17,000 --> 01:30:20,640 down? Or did you ever get a question? No? I don't remember 1459 01:30:20,640 --> 01:30:23,800 if I did or not. Maybe I got in with one guy and then 1460 01:30:23,800 --> 01:30:27,000 Bernard did it. After that, it was a fucking mess though it's a 1461 01:30:27,039 --> 01:30:30,039 haze. I just remember being worried I'm going to fall off the fucking stage 1462 01:30:30,079 --> 01:30:33,399 because these guys are crazy. At the way you lived to be there the 1463 01:30:33,439 --> 01:30:36,439 next night and be part of that fighting. You've lived on now since then. 1464 01:30:36,479 --> 01:30:39,560 But that's to talk about it seventeen years later. There you go, 1465 01:30:39,680 --> 01:30:44,439 Hopkins and Winky Wright. Check it out from seventeen years ago. It is 1466 01:30:44,560 --> 01:30:46,319 by the ways he shows, by the way, that was Winky's loss. 1467 01:30:46,640 --> 01:30:49,479 He then ended up finishing with his career with two more loss after it, 1468 01:30:49,520 --> 01:30:53,159 So he finished his career with three losses in a row. But this was 1469 01:30:53,159 --> 01:30:56,960 what started that downward spiral because he lost to Bernard, lost to Paul Williams, 1470 01:30:57,000 --> 01:30:59,079 lost to Peter Fuillen, and then called in a day. But in 1471 01:30:59,199 --> 01:31:01,680 terms of Bernard Hop after he beat Winky Wright, you know he was not 1472 01:31:01,760 --> 01:31:05,000 done. He went on and even though he lost his next fight to Joe 1473 01:31:05,119 --> 01:31:09,680 Kalzagi and lost the lineal title, he went on had other big wins, 1474 01:31:09,720 --> 01:31:13,079 including the big upset against Kelly Pavlick. So this was a lot of stuff 1475 01:31:13,159 --> 01:31:15,520 going on in this era, no doubt, love my man the Wink Hall 1476 01:31:15,560 --> 01:31:18,960 of Famer as well, love this show thanks to Todd Grisham of his own 1477 01:31:19,039 --> 01:31:23,800 being here. All right, go celebrate out on the patio. I'm gonna 1478 01:31:23,800 --> 01:31:26,680 have some dinner with the family on Sunday night. Here We're ready for another 1479 01:31:26,720 --> 01:31:30,439 fight week coming up this week. Look forward to everything Coloressa Shields in action 1480 01:31:31,000 --> 01:31:35,079 later this week and much more and only a couple of weeks away from Terrence 1481 01:31:35,159 --> 01:31:39,159 Crawford going for a junior middleweight world title. And we have Joe Joyce coming 1482 01:31:39,199 --> 01:31:43,680 up this week also with your Bay Joe Joyce coming up your boy in England. 1483 01:31:43,720 --> 01:31:45,399 So we got a lot, We got a lot later in a week, 1484 01:31:45,520 --> 01:31:47,479 right now, good stuff, really good stuff. Off the recap. 1485 01:31:47,600 --> 01:31:51,239 We covered all of it from the Jake Paul fight card, the Japanese fight 1486 01:31:51,319 --> 01:31:57,079 cards, gave you some nostalgia, the whole bit. We encourage everybody follow, 1487 01:31:57,079 --> 01:32:00,479 subscribe, Apple, Spreaker, Spotify to this podcast at the Big Fight 1488 01:32:00,520 --> 01:32:03,079 Weekend Podcast podcast be dan rafeel have a great week, go enjoy the patio. 1489 01:32:03,199 --> 01:32:06,800 Thank you you Bet, and we thank you for listening to The Fight 1490 01:32:06,880 --> 01:32:09,640 Preach You Unite Recap podcast