WEBVTT 1 00:00:11.199 --> 00:01:29.879 At a book. Hey everyone, thanks so much for tuning in to another 2 00:01:30.000 --> 00:01:36.200 livestream episode of Dogman Encounters Radio. I really appreciate it. For tonight's show, 3 00:01:36.280 --> 00:01:40.760 we're going to welcome back a past guest. On episode four h nine, 4 00:01:40.920 --> 00:01:45.439 tonight's guest Dwayne came on and talked about an encounter he had back in 5 00:01:45.480 --> 00:01:51.359 twenty twelve. The title of that episode is my Dogma Night Tears. Without 6 00:01:51.400 --> 00:01:53.280 any further ado, we need to bring him in here so we can talk 7 00:01:53.319 --> 00:02:00.319 about the most recent encountery had, which unfortunately happened this past January. Let's 8 00:02:00.400 --> 00:02:06.120 bring him in here now. Dwayne, thanks so much for coming back. 9 00:02:07.159 --> 00:02:09.120 Hey, Vic, how's it going. It's good to be back. Well, 10 00:02:09.159 --> 00:02:12.520 it's great to have you. Not for the reason that you're here, 11 00:02:12.680 --> 00:02:15.319 but yeah, I'm glad you let me know about what happened in January, 12 00:02:15.400 --> 00:02:21.360 and of course, thanks so much for coming back. Yeah, absolutely my 13 00:02:21.439 --> 00:02:27.080 pleasure. Definitely, Dwayne. For the people who missed that episode, please 14 00:02:27.120 --> 00:02:35.719 tell us about yourself. Well, I live in mid Michigan, close to 15 00:02:35.800 --> 00:02:40.639 the Saginaw Bay area. Twenty twelve, I was spending a lot of time 16 00:02:40.719 --> 00:02:46.319 up in LPN on a hay farm. We lost our dad that year. 17 00:02:49.280 --> 00:02:53.439 So my brother and I just did a lot of haunting and had my first 18 00:02:53.520 --> 00:03:00.479 encounter out there, said twenty twelve. But so basically, yeah, just 19 00:03:00.800 --> 00:03:06.719 I'm a caregiver. I working and assisted living in a memory care facility. 20 00:03:08.800 --> 00:03:14.080 I work a night shift now it's easier for me to stay up at night. 21 00:03:14.719 --> 00:03:19.759 Still a lot of things that I deal with sometimes when I close my 22 00:03:19.840 --> 00:03:23.719 eyes. But just like the hunt and fish. After my encounter though in 23 00:03:23.759 --> 00:03:30.159 twenty twelve, I stopped going out in the woods for a while. It 24 00:03:30.240 --> 00:03:37.479 wasn't until I think it was twenty twenty or twenty twenty one and I actually 25 00:03:37.599 --> 00:03:45.120 went back out and started actually hunting again by myself. Yeah, I'd just 26 00:03:45.159 --> 00:03:49.400 like to spend a lot of time outdoors. Grew up in the woods here 27 00:03:49.400 --> 00:03:54.319 in Michigan, a lot of time on the Asabo River. It's where we 28 00:03:54.360 --> 00:04:00.960 did a lot of trout steelhead fishing with our parents, And it's deer camps 29 00:04:00.000 --> 00:04:06.800 and trout steelhead camps. Is it pretty much fun life? Can't definitely can't 30 00:04:06.800 --> 00:04:14.360 complain. Well, it wouldn't do any good anyway, would it not? 31 00:04:14.400 --> 00:04:19.040 At all? Normally doesn't if you started heading back into the woods to hunt 32 00:04:19.040 --> 00:04:24.040 and do other things in twenty twenty one, Does that mean that you'd almost 33 00:04:24.040 --> 00:04:28.079 gotten back to the point where you're back to normal or did you still have 34 00:04:28.160 --> 00:04:33.879 hang ups? Well, the first few times I went out, I kind 35 00:04:33.879 --> 00:04:41.040 of didn't want to go out alone. Unfortunately I didn't have my brother to 36 00:04:41.439 --> 00:04:47.920 go out with anymore. A couple other people in my close circle had passed 37 00:04:47.920 --> 00:04:55.800 away from various things, so it was just at that point, me and 38 00:04:55.839 --> 00:05:03.959 my wife, and needless to say, we never went very far into the 39 00:05:03.959 --> 00:05:14.199 woods. Actually, when I was hunting, I hunted over a open field, 40 00:05:15.240 --> 00:05:21.800 so I guess I kind of cheated there. But yeah, that's where 41 00:05:21.839 --> 00:05:28.199 it is with that. Well, that is kind of in a way cheating, 42 00:05:28.360 --> 00:05:31.040 But at least you're getting back out there, and that's all that matters. 43 00:05:31.120 --> 00:05:36.160 I mean, in baby steps. But unfortunately after January and what happened 44 00:05:36.160 --> 00:05:40.360 then, did that just knock you off the wagon and all of a sudden 45 00:05:40.399 --> 00:05:44.920 you're right back to square one? Or even though you had this encounter in 46 00:05:45.000 --> 00:05:48.199 January, are you still in somewhat of a good place without telling us about 47 00:05:48.240 --> 00:05:57.240 the details of this most recent encounter, of course, Uh, it's not. 48 00:05:58.560 --> 00:06:05.279 It hasn't hindered me at all, well this year, like you know, 49 00:06:05.480 --> 00:06:13.600 it's I guess we all have a destiny, right, so you know, 50 00:06:13.680 --> 00:06:19.480 we don't really hear of people being attacked by these things, killed, 51 00:06:19.560 --> 00:06:25.199 whatever have you. So I'm not I guess I'm not too worried about that. 52 00:06:26.519 --> 00:06:30.399 But no, it hasn't really, it hasn't hindered anything. I don't 53 00:06:30.439 --> 00:06:35.720 I don't foresee it. I mean, what happened in twenty twelve that was 54 00:06:36.279 --> 00:06:41.160 a lot worse. I think. I don't think anything could get as bad 55 00:06:41.199 --> 00:06:46.399 as that for me. And you know, it took some years, but 56 00:06:46.920 --> 00:06:49.800 I still got back to it and now I'm pretty much back to normal. 57 00:06:49.839 --> 00:06:55.240 I'd say, well, that's good. Yeah, what happened to you in 58 00:06:55.279 --> 00:06:59.279 twenty twelve that was pretty intense. So I can understand you saying that. 59 00:07:00.680 --> 00:07:03.319 Do you feel like you're doomed in a way to have dogman encounters for the 60 00:07:03.319 --> 00:07:08.959 rest of your life or do you think this second encounter was just a fluke. 61 00:07:11.120 --> 00:07:16.360 So I feel like, honestly, once you once you see something and 62 00:07:16.959 --> 00:07:23.120 it really does not matter at all what it is. The human brain is 63 00:07:23.160 --> 00:07:29.759 hardwired to pick out things, right, We're like, we find pattern real 64 00:07:29.839 --> 00:07:36.720 easy in chaos. I think when you see something like this, whether it's 65 00:07:36.720 --> 00:07:42.120 a dog man, a sasquatch, aliens, you know what have you. 66 00:07:43.160 --> 00:07:49.240 Once you see it the first time and it's such a life altering, a 67 00:07:49.279 --> 00:07:59.040 life changing event, you'll never forget that, right, so you're more keen 68 00:07:59.240 --> 00:08:05.519 to I know this feeling. I've been here before, so you know, 69 00:08:05.920 --> 00:08:11.879 now I know what to look for, and so I think that's what it 70 00:08:11.959 --> 00:08:18.920 is. If that makes any sense, That does make sense. Anytime you 71 00:08:20.000 --> 00:08:24.000 can frame anything to do with these guys after having an encounter, it's a 72 00:08:24.000 --> 00:08:26.879 good thing. It kind of in a way helps you to make sense of 73 00:08:26.959 --> 00:08:31.560 all this this whole dogma phenomenon. So, like I said, anytime you 74 00:08:31.560 --> 00:08:35.559 can do that, that's a good thing. How dangerous do you think dogmen 75 00:08:35.639 --> 00:08:46.519 are, Dwayne, Well, they're an absolute cop predator and they've stayed hidden 76 00:08:46.600 --> 00:08:54.639 for so long, so you know, I feel personally that they are extremely 77 00:08:54.759 --> 00:09:03.759 dangerous. I feel like being around dog man would be akin to maybe being 78 00:09:03.879 --> 00:09:13.519 in the ocean with a bloody leg. Yeah, I feel like they're pretty 79 00:09:13.799 --> 00:09:20.799 pretty dangerous. Well, it's easy to feel that way, but if you 80 00:09:20.840 --> 00:09:24.200 think about it, you've been in the woods, who knows how many times 81 00:09:24.240 --> 00:09:28.519 around these guys, and you have yet to suffer a single scratch or hear 82 00:09:28.559 --> 00:09:33.200 in your head being harmed. So I can appreciate you feeling that way. 83 00:09:33.279 --> 00:09:35.639 But when it comes down to it, if they're nearly as dangerous as you 84 00:09:35.720 --> 00:09:41.879 think they are, then those facts wouldn't be facts. Yeah, yeah, 85 00:09:41.960 --> 00:09:46.759 I guess. I guess you got a point there that actually makes you know, 86 00:09:46.960 --> 00:09:52.960 complete sense. Oh, sure it does. I'm never gonna say these 87 00:09:54.000 --> 00:09:56.919 guys are safe to be around, though some people get that twisted. I'm 88 00:09:56.919 --> 00:10:01.600 never gonna say dog men are safe to be around, but I do believe 89 00:10:01.759 --> 00:10:05.039 in general they get a very bad rap for what they actually do. Yeah, 90 00:10:05.039 --> 00:10:09.840 there are dogmen out there that have killed people, and others many more 91 00:10:09.919 --> 00:10:15.399 who have hurt people. But as far as as a general rule goes, 92 00:10:15.559 --> 00:10:18.799 no, they're clearly not wired to rip you apart as soon as the opportunity 93 00:10:18.840 --> 00:10:22.799 presents itself. Because if that was a case, I wouldn't have spoken with 94 00:10:22.879 --> 00:10:28.559 thousands upon thousands of eyewitnesses who are caught dead rights but allowed to leave. 95 00:10:28.200 --> 00:10:33.440 So yeah, that just couldn't be the case. But having said that, 96 00:10:33.519 --> 00:10:37.600 let's get down to brass tacks now. If you don't mind Duwayne. Please 97 00:10:37.639 --> 00:10:41.200 tell us about the first encounter you had in twenty twelve, because most of 98 00:10:41.240 --> 00:10:46.200 the people listening probably haven't heard that show or they forgot all the fine particulars 99 00:10:46.240 --> 00:10:50.879 of what happened when you had that encounter. And then after you carefully walk 100 00:10:50.960 --> 00:10:54.639 us through that first encounter, please tell us about this most recent one. 101 00:10:54.840 --> 00:11:00.159 Yeah. Absolutely so. Look, I said a little bit ago. It 102 00:11:00.240 --> 00:11:05.879 was twenty twelve, it was November opening, it was opening day rifle season, 103 00:11:07.960 --> 00:11:13.240 and my brother, he was working a hay farm. It was his 104 00:11:13.320 --> 00:11:18.720 fiance at the time. It was her family's haye farm. So I was 105 00:11:18.840 --> 00:11:26.639 up there. We had just lost my grandpa and my dad thirty five days 106 00:11:26.639 --> 00:11:31.399 apart, so just kind of looking for an escape. Alping is two hours 107 00:11:31.440 --> 00:11:37.960 north of here, So I went up there to his house and we were 108 00:11:37.000 --> 00:11:43.559 doing hay, and we cooked up a deal with a amage homestead. We 109 00:11:43.559 --> 00:11:48.519 were going to supply them with some hay for the winter and in turn they 110 00:11:48.559 --> 00:11:56.559 would let us hunt a chunk of their property which is budded too and or 111 00:11:56.759 --> 00:12:05.360 in the hero On Aynisty National Forest. So we're in. We drove it's 112 00:12:05.440 --> 00:12:15.159 about a I'd say about a fifteen fifteen or so mile drive and then it 113 00:12:15.240 --> 00:12:20.279 turns to a dirt road. About five ten miles down the dirt road turns 114 00:12:20.320 --> 00:12:26.519 into a two track, and then if I'm not mistaken, it's about ten 115 00:12:26.519 --> 00:12:33.919 to fifteen miles down the two track. We were extremely far back, like 116 00:12:35.159 --> 00:12:41.600 we were very we were deep in. So we got out and we split 117 00:12:41.600 --> 00:12:48.039 our ways. My brother's hunting four hundred yards roughly behind me, and I 118 00:12:48.120 --> 00:12:54.919 was using a three hundred short mag just sitting up in my pine tree. 119 00:12:56.519 --> 00:13:03.039 I had a little window cut so I could like see right down to you 120 00:13:03.080 --> 00:13:09.279 know, my shooting lanes. And as I was sitting there, it wasn't 121 00:13:09.320 --> 00:13:15.759 really nothing happening in the first half of the day, and I started hearing 122 00:13:16.080 --> 00:13:20.679 what soun like I heard a deer coming through. So I'm waiting and I 123 00:13:20.759 --> 00:13:24.279 get my gun ready and I get it up. Just kind of sitting waiting, 124 00:13:24.799 --> 00:13:31.039 I start seeing deer come flash and running in front of me. So 125 00:13:31.559 --> 00:13:35.120 I put my gun up and I fixed my scope to where I was going 126 00:13:35.200 --> 00:13:39.399 to shoot at. And my plan was I was going to make like a 127 00:13:39.480 --> 00:13:43.960 bleat or some kind of noise and try and get one to stop. And 128 00:13:43.000 --> 00:13:48.440 if it was, you know, the biggest one to take it. Well, 129 00:13:48.720 --> 00:13:50.960 I never got that chance. They just kept going and going and going, 130 00:13:52.360 --> 00:13:56.320 and it's just like I, like I said, I couldn't get him 131 00:13:56.320 --> 00:14:01.759 to stop. So I just kept watching, watching, watching. I heard 132 00:14:01.799 --> 00:14:05.679 something else coming through the woods, but I heard I guess I should have 133 00:14:05.720 --> 00:14:11.720 said this, but about two or three minutes before they actually the deer actually 134 00:14:11.759 --> 00:14:18.879 broke in front of me running through. There was it was like the loudest 135 00:14:18.200 --> 00:14:26.799 like screech howl noise. I it was just a terrible, got awful hearing 136 00:14:26.399 --> 00:14:33.519 or second I'm sorry, but so anyways, after the deer moved through, 137 00:14:33.759 --> 00:14:43.240 I'm still watching out the It was the right corner and I saw a big, 138 00:14:43.320 --> 00:14:48.919 old, giant gray wolf just come trotting along. I was like, 139 00:14:50.200 --> 00:14:52.840 no way. I put my gun down, just kind of watched for a 140 00:14:52.879 --> 00:14:56.960 second and then I picked my scope up, or I picked my gun back 141 00:14:56.039 --> 00:15:01.440 up. I'm watching it through the scope. I absolutely love wolves. I 142 00:15:01.480 --> 00:15:07.399 mean, if if we had spirit animals, I would be a wolf. 143 00:15:07.440 --> 00:15:13.399 If I could pick it would be a wolf. Well, we don't ever 144 00:15:13.879 --> 00:15:20.039 well I guess I can't say ever, but we typically do not have great 145 00:15:20.080 --> 00:15:28.240 wolves in the Lower Peninsula. And in episode four, oh nine. I 146 00:15:28.279 --> 00:15:33.519 believe I say that we don't get great wolves down here, well, there's 147 00:15:33.559 --> 00:15:39.639 been a few in the news recently, so I guess I kind of have 148 00:15:39.720 --> 00:15:46.879 to retract there because we are finding more in the Lower Peninsula. And anyway, 149 00:15:48.080 --> 00:15:52.799 so I'm watching it and it just kind of was sniffing around a little 150 00:15:52.799 --> 00:15:58.799 bit, and it had put its ears back, called airplane ears. When 151 00:15:58.840 --> 00:16:03.000 dogs are sniffing on its something, they put the ears back, and it 152 00:16:03.120 --> 00:16:07.120 was sniffing up in the air, sniffing all around. And as I'm watching 153 00:16:07.159 --> 00:16:15.000 through the scope, this thing, it was just like stopped and it was 154 00:16:15.960 --> 00:16:21.039 had it tied up, sniffing around, just kind of sniffing around like it 155 00:16:21.120 --> 00:16:26.519 was looking for me, looking for something it knew I was there. And 156 00:16:26.559 --> 00:16:30.679 then it was like almost like it was looking right at me. And then 157 00:16:32.399 --> 00:16:41.039 it just stood up, stood right up. Just at that point I completely 158 00:16:41.080 --> 00:16:49.000 froze. I didn't know what the heck to do. This thing. Once 159 00:16:49.039 --> 00:16:53.320 it stood up, it was like it knew right where I was at. 160 00:16:53.440 --> 00:17:00.879 It locked eyes with me, and it was the most frightening thing that I 161 00:17:02.000 --> 00:17:08.960 had ever ever seen in my whole entire Life's something I'll never ever forget. 162 00:17:11.880 --> 00:17:15.759 So once it stood up and I just kind of watched it for a second. 163 00:17:17.000 --> 00:17:23.920 It started to like walk around, took a few steps to my left 164 00:17:25.440 --> 00:17:30.720 and kind of like paste around, almost like a semi circle, but not 165 00:17:30.799 --> 00:17:41.519 so much pronounced, and just kind of kept sniffing sniffing, and it urinated 166 00:17:41.160 --> 00:17:48.400 like right at the base of my tree. It was the loudest, most 167 00:17:48.839 --> 00:17:55.759 disgusting smell, the most powerful thing. It's disgusting. I don't know if 168 00:17:55.799 --> 00:18:03.119 I mentioned that before, but it was something that you'll never forget. I 169 00:18:03.160 --> 00:18:10.400 mean, it's disgusting, but it's just one of those weird you know what 170 00:18:10.400 --> 00:18:14.240 I mean, one of those weird things that you just sticks with you. 171 00:18:15.680 --> 00:18:22.200 I didn't know what to do, so I fired around because I was scared. 172 00:18:22.279 --> 00:18:30.480 I thought I was basically I thought I was done. So I fired 173 00:18:30.519 --> 00:18:36.880 around and it didn't do nothing. I fired another, one, another, 174 00:18:36.960 --> 00:18:38.799 one, another, one another one, and like I said, I'm using 175 00:18:38.839 --> 00:18:45.759 a big gun, so you know, big gun, big boom. Right. 176 00:18:47.680 --> 00:18:51.160 Well, eventually it just kind of went back down, took off, 177 00:18:52.319 --> 00:19:02.039 and my brother come over the radio We're using two ways, and you know, 178 00:19:02.200 --> 00:19:06.519 just asked me what was going on, asked me if I had gotten 179 00:19:06.519 --> 00:19:10.559 anything. I told him no. I asked him if he had seen a 180 00:19:10.599 --> 00:19:15.759 great wolf and he said no, and I told him I had seen one. 181 00:19:15.440 --> 00:19:21.039 He said, oh no, not down here. Definitely just probably a 182 00:19:21.079 --> 00:19:26.000 big coyote, but definitely not a great wolf. Well, no, it 183 00:19:26.119 --> 00:19:30.079 definitely was not a great wolf because it stood up on his back legs. 184 00:19:32.119 --> 00:19:37.240 So we my brother he come back over and he said, you know, 185 00:19:38.200 --> 00:19:42.920 well, haunting's boat done. Anyways, it's getting dark, let's get out 186 00:19:42.960 --> 00:19:47.799 of here. I told him, no, it's just sitting waited out a 187 00:19:47.880 --> 00:19:51.279 little bit. I didn't know where this thing went. I didn't know if 188 00:19:51.279 --> 00:19:55.440 there was more than one or what. I didn't want to move. I 189 00:19:55.599 --> 00:19:59.519 was dang near. I guess I think it's the word ist cat of time. 190 00:19:59.599 --> 00:20:07.839 It right and just frozen in place. But we ended up meeting up 191 00:20:07.839 --> 00:20:11.400 and walking out, meeting up, and once we got back to the car, 192 00:20:12.920 --> 00:20:18.119 got all our gear off and everything, got in the vehicle and turned 193 00:20:18.160 --> 00:20:22.599 around, started driving down the two track, had back out to the main 194 00:20:22.680 --> 00:20:30.160 road and off to the right, about ten fifteen yards into the thicket off 195 00:20:30.200 --> 00:20:34.599 the two track, we've seen something. It was almost like a well, 196 00:20:34.880 --> 00:20:40.680 it was like a light. It was just kind of like in place in 197 00:20:40.799 --> 00:20:45.319 the thick brush area. And once we got a little closer to it, 198 00:20:47.039 --> 00:20:49.599 well not like to it, but you know, more parallel to it, 199 00:20:51.799 --> 00:20:57.279 we could see it was just there was somebody standing in the middle of this 200 00:20:59.279 --> 00:21:07.799 extremely thick brush area, a lot of low hanging trees, just nasty thorn. 201 00:21:08.599 --> 00:21:15.799 Somebody was just standing there and it cloaked just something black, dark, 202 00:21:15.000 --> 00:21:19.599 dark, dark gray brown. I don't know, it looked black, it 203 00:21:19.640 --> 00:21:26.000 was, you know, pretty much dark. Out in their hands, they 204 00:21:26.039 --> 00:21:30.680 were holding what appeared to be a coffee can. And I say that because 205 00:21:30.680 --> 00:21:37.880 this coffee can had a fire burning in it, and honestly, what else 206 00:21:37.960 --> 00:21:42.559 could you you know, hold that would contain a fire like that, I 207 00:21:42.640 --> 00:21:48.920 was than a coffee can. So we just hurried up and boogied out of 208 00:21:48.960 --> 00:21:56.400 there. And the next day we you know, we were gonna go back 209 00:21:56.440 --> 00:22:02.759 out hunting again, but decided not to go back to that spot. Well, 210 00:22:02.839 --> 00:22:08.279 I chose to hunt over the back forty food plot back behind the farmhouse, 211 00:22:10.480 --> 00:22:17.599 and it butts up right to a wood and I was sitting in the 212 00:22:17.640 --> 00:22:23.000 shack above the food plot, and there was a bunch of kyotes out and 213 00:22:23.119 --> 00:22:33.039 plainly they were just you know, doing coyote things and that same loud, 214 00:22:33.480 --> 00:22:41.960 piercing, screeching howl. I heard that again and instantly my heart dropped, 215 00:22:44.079 --> 00:22:48.319 My hang doowns hit the floor, and I'm thinking, no way, not 216 00:22:48.480 --> 00:22:56.799 again. So I started seeing movement in the tree line, so I fixed 217 00:22:56.799 --> 00:23:03.559 my scope, like, man, I hope it's a deer, but there's 218 00:23:03.559 --> 00:23:07.359 a lot of coyotes in the field right now, so I highly doubt it. 219 00:23:07.359 --> 00:23:11.440 But I'm watching there's something running running. Then all of a sudden, 220 00:23:11.799 --> 00:23:19.720 another one of those dang things bursted out of the tree line and just like 221 00:23:22.000 --> 00:23:27.319 just kind of stopped for a second, took off running in the same direction. 222 00:23:30.039 --> 00:23:36.480 So if you were to take just a straight line from where I was 223 00:23:36.559 --> 00:23:42.559 sitting over the food plot and do about a fifteen to twenty mile line, 224 00:23:44.240 --> 00:23:51.200 that would take you roughly to the same exact patch of woods as the night 225 00:23:51.240 --> 00:24:03.359 before. Well back in like back behind all the barns and everything like that, 226 00:24:04.119 --> 00:24:11.359 up on the edge of the woodline, directly behind the house the barns 227 00:24:11.400 --> 00:24:15.839 in the stable is where we kept, like we put all our gut piles, 228 00:24:18.119 --> 00:24:22.960 the fish, small game deer that we killed. We just you know, 229 00:24:22.839 --> 00:24:30.720 put all the guts out there and then we could trap whatever. Well, 230 00:24:30.759 --> 00:24:41.440 we had seen massive prints around them, that gut pile. The thing 231 00:24:41.559 --> 00:24:49.720 is there were It wasn't like there were four pause as of like you know, 232 00:24:49.759 --> 00:24:56.279 if you could picture a wolf bent over eating something obviously has all four 233 00:24:56.839 --> 00:25:03.359 feet on the ground. It wasn't like that. It was just two sets 234 00:25:03.400 --> 00:25:11.519 and it was pretty much just like all the organs and guts like that, 235 00:25:11.559 --> 00:25:18.079 we're all gone. The heads were left, the tails, eyes, And 236 00:25:18.400 --> 00:25:27.839 eventually it was maybe two months later my brother joined the military and never went 237 00:25:27.920 --> 00:25:33.359 back to help, you know, And I have never been back there since 238 00:25:33.440 --> 00:25:40.200 either. And yeah, like I said, that was November twenty twelve, 239 00:25:45.400 --> 00:25:52.319 So that was the first encounter that I had. No one should have to 240 00:25:52.319 --> 00:25:57.000 go through anything like that, anything approaching that kind of intensity. Well, 241 00:25:57.079 --> 00:26:00.519 yeah, like you said, please when you're ready, transition into this most 242 00:26:00.519 --> 00:26:08.000 recent one, now tell us all about it. Yeah. So I was 243 00:26:08.039 --> 00:26:15.599 heading out to my uncle's house. He lives out in Saginaw County, which 244 00:26:17.279 --> 00:26:27.279 from my house to his is only about twenty miles, and there was there 245 00:26:27.400 --> 00:26:33.319 was like not a lot of snow on the ground, but it was a 246 00:26:33.359 --> 00:26:40.839 decent dusting, I guess you'd say. And once I got off the highway 247 00:26:41.400 --> 00:26:48.319 and I went through the roundabouts. I could just like feel like it's all 248 00:26:48.279 --> 00:26:56.799 right. Off the roundabouts, it's like industrial trucking companies on both sides, 249 00:26:57.240 --> 00:27:03.160 and they go down about a quarter of the way. This road is called 250 00:27:03.400 --> 00:27:07.240 Washington, so they go down about a quarter of the way down Washington, 251 00:27:07.400 --> 00:27:12.680 and they're on both sides of you out both sides of the road, and 252 00:27:12.720 --> 00:27:21.480 then it is pretty much open farmfield on both sides. And once you broke 253 00:27:21.599 --> 00:27:26.839 through, like once we once I got past like them trucking companies, it 254 00:27:27.079 --> 00:27:33.000 just, I mean, the air just kind of got real thick, like 255 00:27:33.000 --> 00:27:36.319 like I mean, I could tell that something was up. I mean, 256 00:27:36.440 --> 00:27:45.079 it just it felt it had that weird distinct feeling. And so driving down 257 00:27:45.119 --> 00:27:49.240 the road and uh, I get up to my turn and I turn right. 258 00:27:49.319 --> 00:27:53.599 The road is tower Line. Okay, So turn on tower Line and 259 00:27:53.680 --> 00:28:02.759 it is all farm field until you get to railroad tracks, which are about 260 00:28:03.480 --> 00:28:08.839 I want to say, a quarter to a third of a mile down maybe 261 00:28:08.880 --> 00:28:12.920 off to the left, just on the opposite side of the railroad tracks. 262 00:28:12.920 --> 00:28:19.880 Off to the left is like a Moult company. Still to the right is 263 00:28:19.920 --> 00:28:29.039 all farm field. So at the railroad tracks. As I turn right on 264 00:28:29.160 --> 00:28:37.279 the tower line, yeah, maybe quarter of the distance to the railroad tracks, 265 00:28:37.319 --> 00:28:44.039 and my headlights to pick up the silhouettes in the middle of the road, 266 00:28:44.240 --> 00:28:49.400 well more so to the right, more so in my lane, I 267 00:28:49.440 --> 00:28:56.799 guess, and we're just hunched over eating a turkey. And I only know 268 00:28:56.920 --> 00:29:07.119 that specifically because I'll get to that anyways. Once my headlights actually hit them, 269 00:29:08.319 --> 00:29:15.799 it instantly there was two sets so four of the brightest amber color eyes 270 00:29:18.480 --> 00:29:22.839 just right, like I said, pretty much right in front of me. 271 00:29:22.000 --> 00:29:29.680 So I slowed down real real slow to a creep and pretty much stopped. 272 00:29:29.720 --> 00:29:36.400 And as I was watching them, I couldn't really make him out, like 273 00:29:36.440 --> 00:29:40.720 I said, didn't I mean, I kind of knew at that point, 274 00:29:41.000 --> 00:29:47.160 but I just didn't want to really, I guess, jump to that, 275 00:29:47.279 --> 00:29:51.720 But I also didn't want to hit the gas, and you know, I 276 00:29:51.880 --> 00:29:56.200 hope for the best. Well, as I started creeping up a little bit 277 00:29:56.240 --> 00:30:02.079 more, I had caught off to the right out of my right peripheral, 278 00:30:03.960 --> 00:30:15.960 I had seen something jet right down like the railroad tracks, and at that 279 00:30:17.160 --> 00:30:21.720 point, the two that the two sets of eyes that were in front of 280 00:30:21.759 --> 00:30:26.319 me, they also took off running it. I guess I should have said 281 00:30:26.319 --> 00:30:30.720 this, I'm at this point now, because I had started creeping up again. 282 00:30:32.640 --> 00:30:37.200 I was about twenty yards maybe from the railroad tracks, twenty five yards 283 00:30:37.240 --> 00:30:44.960 maybe, and I got up a little bit closer, and these things just 284 00:30:45.000 --> 00:30:53.839 like took off. They had pretty much just stood up and turned and headed 285 00:30:53.880 --> 00:30:57.960 off, which would be to my right, so they were facing me. 286 00:30:59.079 --> 00:31:06.119 So what they're laugh And when I got all the way to the railroad tracks, 287 00:31:06.160 --> 00:31:10.039 I had my windows down because I was listening, because I knew what 288 00:31:10.119 --> 00:31:14.880 I seen, So I was listening, and I could hear like running down 289 00:31:14.920 --> 00:31:19.039 the railroad, running down the gravel of the railroad tracks, and all of 290 00:31:19.079 --> 00:31:25.160 a sudden, it was like an abrupt stop, like a skid. If 291 00:31:25.160 --> 00:31:29.400 you picture if you're riding your bike on gravel and you skid the tire and 292 00:31:29.440 --> 00:31:33.319 you slide. That's what it sounded like, or if you slide your car 293 00:31:33.440 --> 00:31:41.799 on gravel. And no sooner did I hear that. And I crossed the 294 00:31:41.880 --> 00:31:47.119 railroad tracks. I'm just creeping along. I'm doing like maybe five miles an 295 00:31:47.160 --> 00:31:53.720 hour, watching out the passenger window, and all three of these things burst 296 00:31:53.920 --> 00:32:02.680 out of the railroad tracks. So between the railroad tracks and the farm field, 297 00:32:04.119 --> 00:32:10.559 the first farmfield opposite the tracks, there's about I don't know, maybe 298 00:32:12.319 --> 00:32:19.079 ten twenty yards of you know, thick brush that's usually around country railroad tracks, 299 00:32:20.160 --> 00:32:24.920 and these things just bursted out of them freaking railroad tracks, through that 300 00:32:25.039 --> 00:32:31.720 brush into the farm field. And as they were running parallel to my vehicle, 301 00:32:32.720 --> 00:32:37.680 I'm watching them. There's all three of them were staring right at me 302 00:32:38.480 --> 00:32:47.240 and then just no sooner did they what little chunk of wooded area into the 303 00:32:47.240 --> 00:32:52.119 field. They were staring at me, and then they turned to the right 304 00:32:52.200 --> 00:32:55.160 and took back off, and just like that they were out of sight. 305 00:32:57.799 --> 00:33:06.559 Not a single one of them had a tail. But the one that I 306 00:33:06.559 --> 00:33:09.319 I knew, the one that I seen at this point out of my right 307 00:33:09.400 --> 00:33:15.200 peripheral, I knew at this point what it was, and I'd put two 308 00:33:15.200 --> 00:33:20.559 and two together because he at first there's two of these things in front of 309 00:33:20.559 --> 00:33:22.759 me. Now all of a sudden, there's three, and I've seen this 310 00:33:22.839 --> 00:33:30.519 thing run this way, so that that one was actually a little bit smaller, 311 00:33:30.359 --> 00:33:37.960 but it did have somewhat of a nubby tail, not super long, 312 00:33:39.559 --> 00:33:45.599 but not real short either. If I had to guess, maybe you know, 313 00:33:46.359 --> 00:33:54.799 a foot long. But yeah, it was. It was the most 314 00:33:57.200 --> 00:34:01.240 eerie because at this point, I mean, there's three of them and there 315 00:34:01.519 --> 00:34:08.840 was for this one to take off out of my right peripheral. It to 316 00:34:08.960 --> 00:34:15.000 me, it just means that as I was going slow and creeping up, 317 00:34:15.280 --> 00:34:21.000 this thing had to have been next to me at some point and I had 318 00:34:21.199 --> 00:34:30.239 no idea, and that just it kind of it just kind of really freaked 319 00:34:30.280 --> 00:34:36.480 me out. And I mean, there's there's really no other route to take. 320 00:34:37.880 --> 00:34:47.440 There's been there's been a few encounters or sightings in the Zilwaukee Sagona area 321 00:34:49.159 --> 00:34:54.519 of Michigan, and the only other route that I could have taken to get 322 00:34:54.519 --> 00:35:01.800 me to my destination would have taken me right through the middle of all that, 323 00:35:02.360 --> 00:35:09.840 with the Saginaw River on one side and nothing but dark wooded swamp on 324 00:35:10.280 --> 00:35:22.199 the opposite side. So yeah, that's that was pretty much pretty much a 325 00:35:22.320 --> 00:35:34.519 reminder of what is really what is really out there? And uh, like 326 00:35:34.559 --> 00:35:39.000 I said earlier, you know, once you I feel like once you see 327 00:35:39.039 --> 00:35:44.280 one the first time, see one the second time the third time, you 328 00:35:44.480 --> 00:35:51.599 know what to look for, you know, the feeling so all of a 329 00:35:51.639 --> 00:36:00.679 sudden that that just random You know, bush one hundred and twenty yards away 330 00:36:04.159 --> 00:36:10.679 isn't really a random bush. You know, it's an odd feeling. It's 331 00:36:12.519 --> 00:36:19.679 it gives you the feeling almost like you're just being watched constantly. But you 332 00:36:19.719 --> 00:36:24.360 know, obviously it can't happen that way. I do believe these things are 333 00:36:24.360 --> 00:36:30.880 flesh and blood. So with that being said, a grizzly bear is not 334 00:36:30.960 --> 00:36:36.079 going to track you down for your whole life, and you know, make 335 00:36:36.119 --> 00:36:40.519 sure that you see it every six months, every six years, every twenty 336 00:36:40.599 --> 00:36:49.800 years. It don't work that way. No, it doesn't. Thank Goodness 337 00:36:49.800 --> 00:36:57.880 for that too, yeah, most definitely. Oh yeah, it makes it 338 00:36:57.920 --> 00:37:00.800 feel quite a bit different when you realize for the first time that you're not 339 00:37:00.840 --> 00:37:06.559 the apex predator out there in the woods, doesn't it? Oh for sure. 340 00:37:06.800 --> 00:37:08.840 I mean, you know, our whole lives, you, me, 341 00:37:09.679 --> 00:37:16.039 everybody listening. You know, we're taught that in school growing up. Hey, 342 00:37:16.159 --> 00:37:20.880 we're at the top of the food chain. You got nothing to worry 343 00:37:20.880 --> 00:37:27.800 about. Well, that that lends itself to a false sense of hope. 344 00:37:28.400 --> 00:37:32.719 I guess if that's the right phrase. It's I'm real tired. I don't 345 00:37:32.760 --> 00:37:37.280 know if that's the right phrase. So please don't judge me if it's not. 346 00:37:42.280 --> 00:37:44.400 Oh no, just like with me. I know it's been a long 347 00:37:44.480 --> 00:37:47.559 day for you, So no harm, no foul. Do you think dog 348 00:37:47.599 --> 00:37:52.639 men know that they make eyewitnesses even more frightened when they stand up? Dueane, 349 00:37:53.719 --> 00:37:58.440 ick you I do. I think they. I think when it comes 350 00:37:58.480 --> 00:38:02.119 to that, they're extremely intelligence and they know what they're doing, you know, 351 00:38:02.599 --> 00:38:07.159 just like a grizzly bear, a Kodiak bear goes to stand up, 352 00:38:08.679 --> 00:38:16.079 and you know, I think most definitely they do. They know what they're 353 00:38:16.119 --> 00:38:24.000 doing. It's all, it's all part of it. You're right, these 354 00:38:24.000 --> 00:38:28.480 guys, they definitely do know how to push our buttons. That's one of 355 00:38:28.519 --> 00:38:31.199 the unfortunate things about them, one of the many unfortunate things about them. 356 00:38:31.239 --> 00:38:37.840 They are experts at pushing our buttons and just playing this like a fiddle unfortunately. 357 00:38:39.039 --> 00:38:44.639 Do you have nightmares about dog men, Duane? Yeah, yeah, 358 00:38:44.679 --> 00:38:52.679 I still do so after twenty twelve, after that happened, I have one 359 00:38:52.719 --> 00:39:00.480 in particular that was happening all the time. I still have it just as 360 00:39:00.559 --> 00:39:08.400 frequently. Usually just me, I'm walking through the woods and like an old 361 00:39:08.840 --> 00:39:15.280 cliche, creepy spooky town all abandoned brick and mortar all just you know, 362 00:39:15.480 --> 00:39:24.440 crumbled, and I can feel that I'm being followed, and once I get 363 00:39:24.480 --> 00:39:30.880 inside like this little town area, there's a little stone bridge over a creek, 364 00:39:31.199 --> 00:39:38.920 and I start getting like paste and then eventually chased by a dog man 365 00:39:39.920 --> 00:39:45.400 and or a werewolf, I guess whatever is you know in the dream and 366 00:39:45.639 --> 00:39:52.400 nightmare at the time. And I run over the bridge and eventually just get 367 00:39:52.480 --> 00:39:59.360 cornered into you know the corner of a little brick building, little brick hut. 368 00:40:00.239 --> 00:40:02.320 You know. I run over the bridge and run up and try and 369 00:40:02.440 --> 00:40:07.519 you know hide, but eventually get cornered by two of them, and usually 370 00:40:07.559 --> 00:40:14.559 wake up right at the very last second, like right before doomsday hits. 371 00:40:15.000 --> 00:40:19.079 I usually wake up, Well, thank goodness, you wake up. It's 372 00:40:19.119 --> 00:40:21.920 not the worse than having a nightmare like that where you don't wake up. 373 00:40:23.000 --> 00:40:27.760 When you do have these nightmares, though, Dwayne, are they almost always 374 00:40:27.840 --> 00:40:32.320 about encounters that you haven't actually had or do you sometimes have nightmares about your 375 00:40:32.360 --> 00:40:43.760 actual encounters? So I've I've only had one or two that were about my 376 00:40:43.920 --> 00:40:51.800 actual actual actual encounter. But nothing, I mean, everything pretty much after 377 00:40:51.840 --> 00:41:00.599 that has been just the wildest, most roller coaster sci fi both crap that 378 00:41:00.679 --> 00:41:09.039 our brains could come up with. I wondered about that. Most eyewitnesses, 379 00:41:09.079 --> 00:41:14.880 when they do have nightmares, their nightmares are about encounters that never did happen 380 00:41:14.960 --> 00:41:19.239 to them. It really makes you what or what's behind that must be some 381 00:41:19.400 --> 00:41:23.400 kind of it. I've definitely had some real outlandish ones. Man. Yeah, 382 00:41:23.679 --> 00:41:29.840 they get pretty wild, all bet Yeah, they normally do. Well. 383 00:41:29.840 --> 00:41:32.639 The first question for you is from Sonic Boom, and their question is 384 00:41:32.679 --> 00:41:39.599 how tall were the dog men? So? Yeah, how are you asking 385 00:41:39.639 --> 00:41:45.599 about the first one in twenty twelve? All of them? So the first 386 00:41:45.599 --> 00:41:49.480 one in twenty twelve I've seen, I would have to honestly say, you 387 00:41:49.519 --> 00:41:53.000 know, and obviously we don't have meters sticks out in the woods, and 388 00:41:53.000 --> 00:41:58.639 we don't usually carry them with us too. You know, hey, let 389 00:41:58.679 --> 00:42:01.599 me check and see how'll tell your but uh no, I'll joke aside. 390 00:42:01.639 --> 00:42:08.360 I honestly I think they were about at least seven feet at least. So 391 00:42:08.599 --> 00:42:15.639 the one in twenty twelve, the first one she was about And I say 392 00:42:15.719 --> 00:42:20.800 she because when it stood up, I see no male genitalia at all. 393 00:42:22.000 --> 00:42:24.559 You know, with urricane and you can clearly tell if I had to hang 394 00:42:24.599 --> 00:42:31.599 down. She was about four and a half five feet on all four when 395 00:42:31.639 --> 00:42:38.320 she walked in, and once it stood up, it was probably about seven 396 00:42:38.480 --> 00:42:46.519 seven and a half feet, And the first two in the road in January, 397 00:42:49.480 --> 00:42:52.559 those ones were probably i'd say about seven feet as well, but that 398 00:42:52.960 --> 00:42:57.719 the one that was ran off to my right, that one, like I 399 00:42:57.760 --> 00:43:00.360 said, was a little bit smaller. I think it's kind of why I 400 00:43:00.480 --> 00:43:06.159 caught my attention and stuck out a little bit. But it was a little 401 00:43:06.360 --> 00:43:09.599 i'd say maybe it was about six and a half. But that one was 402 00:43:09.639 --> 00:43:17.079 actually real stocky, a lot more stocky than the other ones. So that's 403 00:43:17.119 --> 00:43:22.599 a juvenile six seven feet eight feet tall. Yeah, that's pretty young for 404 00:43:22.679 --> 00:43:27.480 them. Then it's not until you get up into the nine ten eleven twelve 405 00:43:27.480 --> 00:43:30.679 foot range that you get some maturity. Just something to keep in mind. 406 00:43:30.960 --> 00:43:35.639 I've got another question for you from Kevin Sampson, and keV wants to know 407 00:43:35.719 --> 00:43:38.360 what color was the dog man. I'm not sure which one he was asking 408 00:43:38.400 --> 00:43:42.800 about. Yeah, No, so the first one, like I said, 409 00:43:42.880 --> 00:43:46.559 she looked like a great wolf. These other ones, though, they were 410 00:43:46.599 --> 00:43:54.559 a lot darker, even the one that I seen the day after my very 411 00:43:54.599 --> 00:44:00.440 first encounter, the one that bursted out of the tree line into the plot. 412 00:44:00.199 --> 00:44:06.840 That one was a bit darker as well. So I guess I've seen 413 00:44:07.079 --> 00:44:15.320 five total, two and twenty twelve and three this last time, and the 414 00:44:15.440 --> 00:44:25.239 last four we're darker. There you go, there's your answer. The next 415 00:44:25.320 --> 00:44:30.159 question, I'm gonna twist a little bit to tailor it so that you can 416 00:44:30.239 --> 00:44:35.239 answer this. Jeremy Krick wants to know who would win on who would win 417 00:44:35.320 --> 00:44:39.760 in a fight, the dog man or a codiac in your opinion, Take 418 00:44:39.800 --> 00:44:44.639 the biggest dog man that you've seen, Dwayne, and please tell us, 419 00:44:44.639 --> 00:44:47.199 in your opinion, who you think would win such a fight, that dog 420 00:44:47.280 --> 00:44:52.760 man or a CoDIAK. Oh Man, I'd definitely have to say a dog 421 00:44:52.840 --> 00:44:59.760 man, just because they seem so nimble and they can move around so stealthily. 422 00:45:00.960 --> 00:45:04.920 You would have to be an expert to be able to do something like 423 00:45:04.960 --> 00:45:08.559 that, where a bear is just going to be like a bloof from the 424 00:45:08.639 --> 00:45:15.239 Jungle Book. Huh. Well, there are some kodiaks out there that are 425 00:45:15.719 --> 00:45:19.400 far from being anything like blue. But yeah, like you said, I 426 00:45:19.440 --> 00:45:22.440 mean the speed, and also I don't think a fairly good sized dog mean 427 00:45:22.480 --> 00:45:27.840 gives up anything as far as strength to even a kodiac I think even a 428 00:45:27.960 --> 00:45:30.920 decent size dogman stronger than a Kodiak. When you look at the feet say've 429 00:45:30.920 --> 00:45:37.199 done pushing on the sides of really big fifth wheel trailers. Those things aren't 430 00:45:37.280 --> 00:45:40.920 light making them come up onto the wheels on one side. They do all 431 00:45:40.960 --> 00:45:47.119 sorts of other things too that just show clearly that these guys are ridiculously strong. 432 00:45:49.000 --> 00:45:51.920 So yeah, I agree. I think I'd have to tip my hat 433 00:45:51.960 --> 00:45:55.599 towards the dog me inside. I've got another question for you from Tim Egan, 434 00:45:55.800 --> 00:46:00.599 and Tim wants to know can you describe this feeling of the air changed? 435 00:46:00.079 --> 00:46:06.559 The vibe changed. I knew something was up sort of feeling. Yeah. 436 00:46:06.599 --> 00:46:13.400 So, I mean, if you've never just been in a bad situation 437 00:46:13.599 --> 00:46:21.719 before, it just kind of you know. I unfortunately I found myself in 438 00:46:21.719 --> 00:46:28.199 a lot of bad situations growing up, but you just kind of you get 439 00:46:28.199 --> 00:46:30.440 that feeling, you know, you pick it up. The hair on the 440 00:46:30.480 --> 00:46:36.440 back of your neck kind of stands up like all right, something's not right 441 00:46:36.480 --> 00:46:40.239 here. But I'm not quite sure what it is, but I can feel 442 00:46:40.280 --> 00:46:47.119 it in the air. I guess it's hard to explain. But that would 443 00:46:47.199 --> 00:46:51.599 be the best way that I could I could do it to try and make 444 00:46:51.719 --> 00:46:55.159 sense. Well, there are a lot of things about these guys and your 445 00:46:55.199 --> 00:47:00.000 emotions and feelings when you see these guys that are hard to frame. So 446 00:47:00.599 --> 00:47:04.800 I think you're doing a really good job of explaining all these things. Though. 447 00:47:05.719 --> 00:47:08.719 The next question for you is from Tina Brooks, and Tina wants to 448 00:47:08.760 --> 00:47:16.159 know what feature about the dog men scared you most. The teeth The teeth, 449 00:47:16.599 --> 00:47:23.559 But honestly, I guess even I guess I can't even say the teeth. 450 00:47:23.599 --> 00:47:32.920 It's the feeling, the sense of intelligence when they're looking at you. 451 00:47:32.920 --> 00:47:37.559 You can feel it in their eyes, you can see it. It's just 452 00:47:37.760 --> 00:47:43.960 like you know, I guess, it's not just like looking at another human, 453 00:47:44.079 --> 00:47:45.400 looking at them in the eyes. You know it's a human. You 454 00:47:45.440 --> 00:47:51.239 know they're intelligent, right, It's just the thing we know we're intelligent. 455 00:47:52.440 --> 00:47:57.760 And when they have that look in their eyes, like I know what I'm 456 00:47:57.800 --> 00:48:01.000 doing here, you know that you can't be here, you know you shouldn't 457 00:48:01.039 --> 00:48:07.360 be here, and it's just all everything is conveyed in them eyes and it's 458 00:48:07.519 --> 00:48:15.000 they hold so much and that that is the most frightening part, but after 459 00:48:15.039 --> 00:48:21.679 that, yeah, the taste for sure in the claws. All those are 460 00:48:21.679 --> 00:48:25.760 good picks. Yeah, there's just something about those claws and teeth that when 461 00:48:25.800 --> 00:48:30.320 eyewitnesses having counters, they're almost always the first thing that they think about and 462 00:48:30.440 --> 00:48:35.800 understandably. So it looks to me like Tina's got another question for you. 463 00:48:35.960 --> 00:48:44.800 She wants to know. Was the female is intimidating as the meals? You 464 00:48:44.840 --> 00:48:51.039 know, honestly, I I'm gonna say no, because at first, yes, 465 00:48:51.960 --> 00:48:59.199 but there was just like a grace, a kind of gracefulness, I 466 00:48:59.239 --> 00:49:05.880 guess you'd say about her. I don't know if the other all the other 467 00:49:05.920 --> 00:49:13.159 ones I seen were male or not, but that the first, the very 468 00:49:13.199 --> 00:49:16.480 first one where you know, I can almost guarantee that it was not a 469 00:49:16.639 --> 00:49:22.719 male. She just yeah, you know, she was scary at first, 470 00:49:22.559 --> 00:49:28.039 but once I kind of just got like locked into it and that fright set 471 00:49:28.159 --> 00:49:34.960 in and I was just there was just some kind of graceful, calmness about 472 00:49:35.039 --> 00:49:42.039 her, Like I knew that intelligence, I knew that ferocity, that strength, 473 00:49:42.159 --> 00:49:52.039 that power was there, but you know, it just kind of yeah, 474 00:49:52.119 --> 00:49:55.719 I hope that explains I hope that explains that I'm sorry, No, 475 00:49:55.840 --> 00:50:02.000 I think he did a good job of explaining. Normally, when eyewitnesses talk 476 00:50:02.039 --> 00:50:07.880 about their encounters and how they played out with male dog men versus females, 477 00:50:07.400 --> 00:50:13.280 Yeah, it does normally seem like the encounters with the females don't go as 478 00:50:13.320 --> 00:50:16.760 badly as the ones with the males normally will go. I'm not going to 479 00:50:16.800 --> 00:50:21.639 say that the ones with the females are always pleasant. I mean, look 480 00:50:21.679 --> 00:50:25.159 at episode two fifty seven with Roy and what Herman went through. That was 481 00:50:25.280 --> 00:50:30.760 a female dog woman. So yeah, I mean they can go sideways with 482 00:50:30.840 --> 00:50:32.679 them as well. But like I said, normally, the ones with the 483 00:50:32.719 --> 00:50:37.239 males are the ones that are the most frightening. I've got another question for 484 00:50:37.400 --> 00:50:42.960 you, Duayne from Tina, and this question is what's your personal opinion as 485 00:50:43.000 --> 00:50:49.199 to the origin of these creatures? Oh, like I mentioned earlier, I 486 00:50:49.239 --> 00:50:52.039 think they're flesh and blood. I think they've you know, they've been here 487 00:50:53.119 --> 00:50:59.199 a whole heck of a lot longer than what we think. I mean, 488 00:50:59.280 --> 00:51:06.159 we know that sharks and sturgeon, just even freshwater sturgeon that are here in 489 00:51:06.199 --> 00:51:10.039 our little rivers, we know that those can be hundreds and hundreds of years 490 00:51:10.039 --> 00:51:16.880 old. You know, shark species have been around for millions of years. 491 00:51:17.679 --> 00:51:22.800 I think these things have just been here. And honestly, what I think 492 00:51:22.840 --> 00:51:29.960 it is is, I think over time, you know, we had things 493 00:51:29.960 --> 00:51:34.119 that called dire wolves, and I mean, I don't know much about them. 494 00:51:34.559 --> 00:51:42.199 I know that they're just giant animals. But I think evolution had a 495 00:51:42.280 --> 00:51:47.559 hand in what dog men are today. Well, you might be right about 496 00:51:47.559 --> 00:51:52.760 that, It's hard to say for sure. I've got another one for you 497 00:51:52.840 --> 00:51:58.199 from Lynn a Lynn eighty one zero five. She wants to know where the 498 00:51:58.280 --> 00:52:00.480 years on the side or the top of its head. I'm not sure which 499 00:52:00.480 --> 00:52:07.000 one she's asking about. No, for sure, all of them the ears 500 00:52:07.000 --> 00:52:13.000 were pretty much right on top, you know, right on that very top 501 00:52:13.159 --> 00:52:17.760 edge crestline of of the skull there, pretty much like any wolfer, a 502 00:52:17.840 --> 00:52:28.000 German shepherd. There you go win. The next one is from alexis Ala 503 00:52:28.519 --> 00:52:32.320 and Alexus's question is I've heard good and bad encounters. Do you think dog 504 00:52:32.440 --> 00:52:39.079 men have personality personalities like humans like you have your mean one, a nice 505 00:52:39.119 --> 00:52:49.559 one, and one in the middle. I don't think that they have like 506 00:52:49.719 --> 00:52:54.480 a social construct like that. I think they're just a wild animal you know, 507 00:52:54.679 --> 00:53:02.239 trying to stay hidden in an ever expanding world. So I don't think 508 00:53:02.280 --> 00:53:13.920 that they they hold you know, levels like that. You're not normally gonna 509 00:53:13.920 --> 00:53:20.719 find an overly friendly dog man. There have been encounters that took place where 510 00:53:22.360 --> 00:53:28.360 it's hard to describe encounters where the dog man I guess, as far as 511 00:53:28.440 --> 00:53:32.079 dog men go, it was as friendly as possible. I guess that's kind 512 00:53:32.079 --> 00:53:36.960 of how you could explain it. But yeah, they're never going to come 513 00:53:37.000 --> 00:53:42.280 up and normally be overly friendly towards you. But then again, like Dwayne 514 00:53:42.320 --> 00:53:45.519 just said, when you consider how they have to live and what they are 515 00:53:45.559 --> 00:53:50.079 and all that, it would be really surprising to see them act that way. 516 00:53:50.760 --> 00:53:53.760 So that really shouldn't come as a surprise. I've got another question for 517 00:53:53.880 --> 00:53:59.599 you, Dwayne, from Kurt schlickting In. Kurt's question is when the first 518 00:53:59.639 --> 00:54:04.519 dog and urinated at your tree stand, did you eat like a male dog 519 00:54:04.639 --> 00:54:15.199 or a female dog? So, I'm it was pretty much. I didn't 520 00:54:15.239 --> 00:54:21.840 really I couldn't really see, particularly just from where it was. I mean, 521 00:54:22.719 --> 00:54:24.559 you know, my tree, my tree standing in the base is not 522 00:54:24.800 --> 00:54:29.840 very big. I didn't have much room to you know, turn to my 523 00:54:30.000 --> 00:54:38.599 left and look, let alone did I But it pretty much stayed up until 524 00:54:38.880 --> 00:54:50.199 it was done urinating and then went back down. And so I mean it 525 00:54:50.280 --> 00:54:54.760 didn't. I didn't see it cock its leg. I didn't see it squat. 526 00:54:55.199 --> 00:55:07.519 I've seen it standing. Yeah, I'd be pretty surprised if you told 527 00:55:07.599 --> 00:55:13.480 us that had cocked its leg or anything like that. But they're full of 528 00:55:13.559 --> 00:55:16.000 surprises. I guess you never really do know what a dog man's going to 529 00:55:16.079 --> 00:55:21.639 do from one moment to the next. The next question is from D Truth, 530 00:55:21.719 --> 00:55:24.000 and D wants to know what would have to happen in order for our 531 00:55:24.039 --> 00:55:29.719 government to admit dog men existing. I'll answer that one for you. It's 532 00:55:29.760 --> 00:55:35.519 never going to happen. They might eventually admit to the existence of sasquatch, 533 00:55:35.599 --> 00:55:38.000 but I don't see there ever being a time when they come out and say, 534 00:55:38.039 --> 00:55:43.840 hey, guess what. I just don't see that happening. If you 535 00:55:43.880 --> 00:55:46.920 think about the movie Jaws, where at the start of the movie, Chief 536 00:55:47.000 --> 00:55:52.480 Brody was talking basically arguing with the mayor of that island where all this took 537 00:55:52.519 --> 00:55:58.320 place, supposedly about putting the word out about them having a killer shark on 538 00:55:58.360 --> 00:56:00.800 their hands. Well, if you think about how the mayor responded, like 539 00:56:00.840 --> 00:56:05.400 you told Chief Brody, he said, I think it's wrong how he responded, 540 00:56:05.440 --> 00:56:08.920 but I can understand his logic by responding the way he did. If 541 00:56:08.960 --> 00:56:14.800 you remember, he told Chief Brody, Now, look, it's holidays season 542 00:56:14.880 --> 00:56:19.639 on the island here, it was summertime, summer break and being a small 543 00:56:19.719 --> 00:56:24.840 island, tourism that's basically how that island paid its bills. Well, he 544 00:56:24.920 --> 00:56:29.039 told Chief Brody, Look, if you put the word out that there is 545 00:56:29.119 --> 00:56:32.400 a dangerous barracuda in the water, people will say what. But if you 546 00:56:32.440 --> 00:56:36.719 put the word out that there's a killer shark, you're gonna have a full 547 00:56:36.800 --> 00:56:40.280 panic on your hands. Well. Yeah, if you let the word out 548 00:56:40.320 --> 00:56:45.000 that sasquatch just might be in a woods near you, they probably are in 549 00:56:45.039 --> 00:56:49.559 a woods near you, that's one thing that is going to shake people up. 550 00:56:50.000 --> 00:56:53.719 But nothing like if they get the word out and officially acknowledge the fact 551 00:56:53.800 --> 00:56:58.920 that, guess what, in a forest near you, there's every possibility that 552 00:56:59.079 --> 00:57:02.280 something looks like a giant werewolf might be hanging out. If you let that 553 00:57:02.360 --> 00:57:07.159 cat out of the bag, then it's going to be pandemonium, It really 554 00:57:07.280 --> 00:57:10.320 is. So with that in mind, and other reasons too that I haven't 555 00:57:10.360 --> 00:57:15.519 even gone into. I just don't see there ever being a time when the 556 00:57:15.559 --> 00:57:19.039 government's going to allow that to happen and let that cat out of the bag. 557 00:57:19.760 --> 00:57:23.920 I've got another question for you, Duwayne from Tim Egan and Tim wants 558 00:57:23.960 --> 00:57:30.440 to know, did you hear any sounds or smells during these encounters? And 559 00:57:30.559 --> 00:57:37.280 so the one in January, it was just you know, the rotten turkey, 560 00:57:37.920 --> 00:57:43.840 That's all I could really smell. I don't really have the best sinuses, 561 00:57:45.039 --> 00:57:50.559 so yeah, I didn't really catch to smell off the ones in January. 562 00:57:50.599 --> 00:57:54.360 Here. Some dogmen amid a strong odor, others don't. Others can 563 00:57:54.440 --> 00:57:59.719 sneak right upon you without you knowing the same way as sasquatch do this all 564 00:57:59.760 --> 00:58:02.840 of the time. Time. I don't think that either sasquatch or dog men 565 00:58:04.000 --> 00:58:07.440 stink all the time. I think it's something they can switch on and switch 566 00:58:07.480 --> 00:58:13.159 off, like gorillas, for example, having an apocrin gland or apocrin glands 567 00:58:13.320 --> 00:58:17.159 under their armpits their oxsters, that's a medical term for it. And yeah, 568 00:58:17.199 --> 00:58:22.440 they can emit that odor from that gland that will And it would just 569 00:58:22.480 --> 00:58:25.559 make sense that with sasquatch, with dog men, they could do the same 570 00:58:25.599 --> 00:58:30.039 thing too, as opposed to stinking like that all the time, because if 571 00:58:30.079 --> 00:58:35.000 they had that strong of a smell all the time, how in the world 572 00:58:35.000 --> 00:58:37.960 are they gonna sneak up on deer another game? So if you think about 573 00:58:38.039 --> 00:58:42.480 it, it would only make sense. It really does. Now, this 574 00:58:42.639 --> 00:58:46.599 next question from Osriel reloaded, That's what I'm gonna take. He wants to 575 00:58:46.639 --> 00:58:51.280 know, do you think they could be sinucephale. There's been a lot of 576 00:58:51.280 --> 00:58:55.800 talk when it comes to dogmen about sinucephale. And when you consider that there 577 00:58:55.800 --> 00:59:01.039 are two main groups of dog men, can i tes with canid style legs, 578 00:59:01.039 --> 00:59:07.199 and then you have type threes that have hominid style legs, hominid style 579 00:59:07.280 --> 00:59:10.119 legs with you know, knees and ankles the way we have, and sasquatch 580 00:59:10.159 --> 00:59:16.360 have the keenid types. They have jittigrade style legs, kenid style legs with 581 00:59:16.480 --> 00:59:22.880 howks and stifled joints instead of ankles and knees. Well, sign acephal were 582 00:59:22.920 --> 00:59:28.840 reported to have hominid style legs. So these dog men that Dwayne's telling us 583 00:59:28.840 --> 00:59:34.639 about seeing, they couldn't be sinucephal because of that leg structure. I hope 584 00:59:34.679 --> 00:59:40.719 that answers your question. The next question is from Scott Baker, and Scott 585 00:59:40.760 --> 00:59:44.960 wants to know how do you dog men deal with ticks, fleas, et 586 00:59:45.039 --> 00:59:50.480 cetera. Any information, Scott, We have no idea on how they deal 587 00:59:50.519 --> 00:59:54.079 with things like that. Some people can seem to know a lot about sasquatch. 588 00:59:54.199 --> 01:00:00.320 They think sasquatch they roll in water that's heavily like, even with sulfur 589 01:00:00.679 --> 01:00:07.159 to repel ticks and other pests like that. But whether dogmen do that too, 590 01:00:07.440 --> 01:00:09.199 I don't know. I don't know if they drink a lot of water 591 01:00:09.320 --> 01:00:15.920 with sulfur in it to combat the tick problem and flees. That's anyone's guess, 592 01:00:15.039 --> 01:00:21.000 So I can't answer that for you, unfortunately. The next question is 593 01:00:21.079 --> 01:00:25.119 from Tim Egan again, and Tim wants to know have you saw any professional 594 01:00:25.199 --> 01:00:31.559 counseling after all this? Uh? No, no, just from mother Nature. 595 01:00:34.199 --> 01:00:37.599 It's probably a good move not to try to seek counseling because you know 596 01:00:37.639 --> 01:00:40.760 you can't tell them. If you tried to tell them what actually happened, 597 01:00:42.159 --> 01:00:45.480 you're probably going to be in a padded cell. So yeah, not a 598 01:00:45.480 --> 01:00:50.320 good move. That's why I kind of tend to call it a prison with 599 01:00:50.440 --> 01:00:53.239 no walls for the people who don't know that. There are people I hear 600 01:00:53.280 --> 01:01:00.039 who specialize in this sort of thing, helping dogmen eyewitnesses. It's really a 601 01:01:00.079 --> 01:01:02.679 tough spot to be in when you have an experience like that that you would 602 01:01:02.719 --> 01:01:07.360 definitely feel better about if you could talk with someone about it, But if 603 01:01:07.440 --> 01:01:09.760 you don't know who to contact, then it really is like a prison with 604 01:01:09.840 --> 01:01:15.440 no walls unfortunately. Oh yeah, for sure. And I mean you you 605 01:01:15.599 --> 01:01:21.719 alone have been very instrumental and you know, helping me get back out and 606 01:01:22.000 --> 01:01:28.079 enjoy the woods again, you know. So, you know, honestly, 607 01:01:28.280 --> 01:01:32.480 i'd definitely want to thank you for that and all the people that you've helped, 608 01:01:32.800 --> 01:01:36.880 you know. Oh, you're welcome. Yeah, I wouldn't have it 609 01:01:36.880 --> 01:01:39.800 any other way. I feel so lucky. I just want to pinch myself 610 01:01:39.840 --> 01:01:43.480 to be in a position to be able to help, so, you know, 611 01:01:43.480 --> 01:01:46.199 I feel lucky to be able to do this. I've got another question 612 01:01:46.320 --> 01:01:51.039 for you from Adolph Santa Steven Hey, Adolph. Yeah, Adolf was actually 613 01:01:51.119 --> 01:01:53.800 a guest on the show about I think about four or five months ago. 614 01:01:53.920 --> 01:02:04.519 He's a great guy. His question is how long was it snout? You 615 01:02:04.559 --> 01:02:08.360 know, Honestly, I couldn't really tell. If I had to guess, 616 01:02:08.400 --> 01:02:15.960 i'd say maybe five six inches. But I was, you know, still 617 01:02:15.000 --> 01:02:21.679 pretty pretty far away from him. I wasn't like right up on top of 618 01:02:21.719 --> 01:02:28.480 them to catch every single little ass detail that wasn't little ass detail, by 619 01:02:28.480 --> 01:02:32.920 the way, that was little detail. I'm sorry, but uh, you're 620 01:02:32.960 --> 01:02:37.280 fine. Yeah, no, I uh, yeah, I'm sorry. I 621 01:02:37.320 --> 01:02:44.079 can't answer that any clearer than maybe maybe five six inches. Well, yeah, 622 01:02:44.119 --> 01:02:45.599 it's so much going through your mind. You're doing good to know your 623 01:02:45.599 --> 01:02:50.840 own name, though you can't be foulded for that at all. This next 624 01:02:50.920 --> 01:02:53.639 question is from Mary, and it's more of a general question I'm going to 625 01:02:53.760 --> 01:02:58.719 take. Mary wants to know. I feel like the female dog man mine 626 01:02:58.760 --> 01:03:02.159 speak more than me dog men opinions. Yeah, seems like there just might 627 01:03:02.199 --> 01:03:07.239 be something to that. Mary. It seems like if mind speaker is reported, 628 01:03:07.679 --> 01:03:13.760 it's a lot more common amongst eyewitnesses who see females than males. So 629 01:03:13.840 --> 01:03:19.159 that's pretty astute of you to ask that. I'm impressed. The next question 630 01:03:21.440 --> 01:03:27.639 is another general question that I'm going to take from Chelsea Brotherson, and Chelsea 631 01:03:27.760 --> 01:03:30.840 wants to know, do you think some people are more predisposed to seeing encryptids. 632 01:03:31.280 --> 01:03:35.239 Oh yeah, yeah, that's called being a magnet. And for some 633 01:03:35.280 --> 01:03:39.639 reason, some people are some people just attract these things. And yeah, 634 01:03:39.679 --> 01:03:46.159 they just see these things sasquatch dog men all the time, almost, I 635 01:03:46.159 --> 01:03:50.760 guess you could say. And then I've got to comment here from Vanessa, 636 01:03:50.920 --> 01:03:53.320 She says, Vick, you skip my question. Well, I apologize, 637 01:03:53.440 --> 01:03:57.800 Vanessa. Did you type it in all caps? Because I think I've nailed 638 01:03:57.840 --> 01:04:00.920 every single question that's been typed in all caps. If you could type it 639 01:04:00.920 --> 01:04:04.039 again for me in all caps, I'll be sure to see it now and 640 01:04:04.519 --> 01:04:09.960 be more than happy to ask it. All right. The next question would 641 01:04:10.000 --> 01:04:15.800 be from Lynn aln eighty one zero five, and this one's for me. 642 01:04:16.400 --> 01:04:19.559 It is, do you think the dog man with ears on the sides of 643 01:04:19.599 --> 01:04:25.519 their heads are were wolves? Of me entering into a were wolf? Well, 644 01:04:25.599 --> 01:04:28.320 Lynn, I don't believe in were wolves. I'm not going to say 645 01:04:28.320 --> 01:04:32.639 they can't exist, because in this crazy world you never really do know what 646 01:04:32.719 --> 01:04:39.199 can't exist and what can't exist. But yeah, unfortunately, there are people 647 01:04:39.280 --> 01:04:45.239 on shows that care a lot more about lining their pockets than the truth, 648 01:04:45.519 --> 01:04:49.079 who are putting out fictitious stories about you can tell a dog man this way 649 01:04:49.360 --> 01:04:54.400 from a dog. I'm sorry, you can tell a were wolf by looking 650 01:04:54.400 --> 01:04:59.960 for this anatomical feature versus a dog man having this type of anatomical feed. 651 01:05:00.320 --> 01:05:05.159 I'd be very leery about listening to shows like that and taking quote unquote information 652 01:05:05.360 --> 01:05:11.880 like that serious, because a true operative of a government program that would have 653 01:05:12.000 --> 01:05:15.800 access to information on these guys and operative like that is not going to come 654 01:05:15.840 --> 01:05:20.840 on any of these podcasts and reveal any of that information. It would be 655 01:05:20.920 --> 01:05:25.920 way too easy for the government to find out who's doing that, track them 656 01:05:25.960 --> 01:05:29.960 down, and it wouldn't go well for that person at all. So that 657 01:05:30.119 --> 01:05:35.199 is absolute bunk. When you have a show that puts some charlatan out there 658 01:05:35.239 --> 01:05:40.800 who's claiming to be an actual operative of the government, not going to happen 659 01:05:41.000 --> 01:05:45.400 at all. The next question, I guess I should answer that. I 660 01:05:45.400 --> 01:05:50.719 think when you see cases of dog men being reported with ears on the sides 661 01:05:50.760 --> 01:05:55.280 of their head, and almost every case I can think of, it's always 662 01:05:55.360 --> 01:06:00.119 been the case of a type three a dog man with hominid style if the 663 01:06:00.159 --> 01:06:03.719 ears were on the sides of their heads. Perfect example, if you go 664 01:06:03.840 --> 01:06:11.280 back and listen to episode four. Let's see what episode was at. Yeah, 665 01:06:11.320 --> 01:06:15.639 that was for episode four of the show that ear over eight years ago 666 01:06:15.880 --> 01:06:18.559 with Pam. Pam was a guest. She talked about that Type three that 667 01:06:18.679 --> 01:06:25.000 she saw that night and it had hominid style legs. Of course, it 668 01:06:25.119 --> 01:06:28.400 was a Type three, so naturally its legs are going to be hominid style 669 01:06:29.000 --> 01:06:32.239 with knees and ankles. But yes, you reported seeing the ears being on 670 01:06:32.280 --> 01:06:36.880 the sides of its head. That's a perfect example also to if you do 671 01:06:36.960 --> 01:06:42.559 a search a Google search for the Beast of Seven Shoots, if you take 672 01:06:42.599 --> 01:06:45.800 a look at that photo carefully, you'll notice that its ears are on the 673 01:06:45.840 --> 01:06:49.079 sides of its head. And the Beast of Seven Shoots it's also a Type 674 01:06:49.079 --> 01:06:55.239 three. It had Homini style legs. So yeah, when you hear about 675 01:06:55.280 --> 01:06:59.800 those ears being on the sides of their heads, that's in almost every case 676 01:06:59.800 --> 01:07:02.320 that I can think of. Like I said, what you're dealing with, 677 01:07:03.559 --> 01:07:10.079 let's find the next question. Going to ask one more here. It's been 678 01:07:10.119 --> 01:07:15.719 a long day, so I'm running on fumes. This last question is from 679 01:07:15.800 --> 01:07:19.679 Tina Brooks, and Tina wants to know do you feel a certain responsibility to 680 01:07:19.760 --> 01:07:26.639 warn others to the presence of these animals asking you, Duane. Yeah, 681 01:07:26.719 --> 01:07:34.079 absolutely, and that's why I reached out to Vic. We'll never get a 682 01:07:34.320 --> 01:07:38.800 for you know, like Vic said, will never ever, ever ever get 683 01:07:38.880 --> 01:07:47.800 a for certain answer from our trusted elected officials. But it all comes down 684 01:07:47.880 --> 01:07:54.639 to us to the public. If you see it, just tell somebody, 685 01:07:54.679 --> 01:07:57.599 you know, the more people that know, we get the word out. 686 01:07:58.480 --> 01:08:01.719 Everybody knows what to you know, what's out there. Be careful, be 687 01:08:01.920 --> 01:08:09.199 safe, these things are out there. Just you know, you need people, 688 01:08:09.280 --> 01:08:14.039 just need to start telling people. Just tell anybody that'll listen, tell 689 01:08:14.079 --> 01:08:16.560 the ones that won't listen, because the chances are they're going to repeat your 690 01:08:16.600 --> 01:08:21.720 story and it might be in ridicule, but they're going to repeat it to 691 01:08:21.760 --> 01:08:27.000 somebody who is going to listen and who's going to take it serious. They'll 692 01:08:27.039 --> 01:08:30.960 repeat it and then it'll branch out. And just the more people that know, 693 01:08:31.399 --> 01:08:34.119 the say for everybody can be and the more fun we can have. 694 01:08:36.600 --> 01:08:41.479 Well that's all very well said. And so that you know, Vanessa, 695 01:08:41.680 --> 01:08:44.960 I look to see if you retype that question, and it looks like you 696 01:08:45.000 --> 01:08:48.079 didn't, so I won't be able to answer that question right. Ask that 697 01:08:48.199 --> 01:08:53.640 question for you. But having said that, I can't thank you enough for 698 01:08:53.680 --> 01:08:57.359 coming back on to update it's on this most recent encounter, Dwayne, I 699 01:08:57.399 --> 01:09:01.760 really do appreciate it. No, not problem at all. I do. 700 01:09:02.600 --> 01:09:06.039 And for everyone listening, thank you so much for listening. I really do 701 01:09:06.159 --> 01:09:11.800 appreciate you supporting the show and more importantly, supporting the eyewitnesses the way you 702 01:09:11.840 --> 01:09:15.119 do. Without you, you've got no idea how much you move the needle 703 01:09:15.199 --> 01:09:19.319 when it comes to these eyewitnesses coming to terms with their encounters, and I 704 01:09:19.359 --> 01:09:25.079 really can't thank you enough for that. I can't. It's definitely appreciated. 705 01:09:26.119 --> 01:09:29.960 Well, if you've had to dog me an encounter and would like to contact 706 01:09:30.000 --> 01:09:32.119 me and speak with me about it, it doesn't matter if you want to 707 01:09:32.119 --> 01:09:35.159 be a guest on the show or not. It's really easy to do that. 708 01:09:35.439 --> 01:09:41.000 Please go to Dogmanencounters dot com, submit a report, and if you 709 01:09:41.079 --> 01:09:45.279 do that then I'll be in contact with you to get that conversation scheduled. 710 01:09:45.760 --> 01:09:48.159 But having said that, thanks again so much for listening to the show. 711 01:09:48.640 --> 01:09:53.279 I can't thank you enough, and have a great weekend. Good night, 712 01:10:11.479 --> 01:10:15.439 MS. English