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red Fall and the fallout from Red Fall, and then Star Wars. Also
we're doing some Star Wars stuff. We're gonna We're gonna do a mount rushmore
Star Wars games. There's a Benji Bop quiz where we try to get closest
to the Messy pen by guessing metacritic scores. Who knows what kinds of games
will be guessing the metacritics were totally a special episode, So I'm gonna guess
there's Star Wars games that'll be fun first of them. Mike, how are
you doing. I'm pretty good. Yeah, you know, work's been hopping
off. It's like a little stressful trying to get all this stuff organized for
summer exacting. But also I'm also excited I'm gonna get to hang with you.
I'm gonna get to meet a lot of people in person for the first
time. Um, so that that's that's gonna be a lot of fun.
I'm looking forward to that. I'm also going to maybe be able to sneak
off and do some fun things myself. Maybe I'll go and finally check out
that and intend the world. I don't know, hopefully I'll have a chance
to do that. Yeah, I think you I think should make that happen.
That'd be fun. Um. Yeah, I've been doing the same thing,
answering a lot of emails. Keep getting more emails. Um, there
are some companies that are going to be there, and they all say it's
confidential, so we can't like say who's going to be there, so it's
it's probably like public. But it's like, oh yeah, cool, I'm
gonna I want to see those games. It's like I will say, I'm
excited. Yeah, me too. There's like seems like there's gonna be some
cool stuff that there's some gonna be some cool stuff. So yeah, I'm
making I'm I'm booking appointments for the entire team, And like, I hope
that makes you, hope that makes you laugh because you know how good I
am at planning stuff. Why don't they give you that job? And here's
my new philosophy in life, if you want something done, you have to
just do it yourself. And I don't want to ask anyone else to do
stuff anymore. I'm like just gonna do it myself. And everyone's like,
you know, I'm like chance, like super busy editing everything. Uh.
Dan Is is either often in a bunch of meetings trying to make stuff happen,
or he is uh, he's like right now he's off because he's traveling.
UM like, oh, you know what, I just let's get this
done, make sure that we're good to go back. Lars also often in
meetings, so I'm handling. It's like, you know what, I'm just
gonna start putting stuff in time slots and I will figure out who's gonna go
later. And we're actually gonna get some help from Bailey and Emma too.
It's been fun to be get them in there and help us out. So
look it forward to it. I've begun like really booking the couch for for
gonna you know, giant bomb at night during summer game test. That is
That's the thing I'm probably the most excited about because it's just I think it's
very cool to have a bunch of people that want to come and hang out
and talk about video games. Well, all being in the same city for
a good reason. It's like, hey, it seems like we can make
some magic happen. So looking forward to a lot of it. But you're
right, it's pretty stressful. Yeah, you know what. I'm looking forward
to you though, No, you have to tell meeting about the show.
I was. I'm in the middle of writing the tweet, right, God
damn it. I knew I should have finished it. Mount Rushmore, Star
Wars Games. That's what you get. That's what you get. Red Fall.
Yeah, there we go, people, I get whether talking about Red
Fall. Wow, I can't believe we're talking about Red Fall. That doesn't
seem like an important conversation. Like there's literally a Phil Spencer interview yesterday about
it. Like what are we supposed to do yesterday? It went up today
Like yeah, it's literally right, Yeah, they they talk, Yes,
exactly, that's right. I hope I don't have to do that. I
hope at least that kills the whole This isn't a problem, Like this is
not that bad. He did an Oprah style apology interview. Yep, maybe
that's overselling it. But you know, but yeah, I watched that.
Hey, by the way, like big ups to you know, our funds.
A kind of funny, especially the x cast crew over there with Mike
and Parison and Gary. They did a really good job talking to Phil Spencer
having a really candid talk about Redfall and kind of the larger state of Xbox
right now. I got to watch that whole thing and it was a really
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on YouTube. I'll put it in the feed. Um, all right,
Mike, let's get into these big topics, and really it is kind of
just one big topic. There's probably some other stuff that happen this week.
But what I found out is once you start talking about this, you kind
of you go down this hole pretty fast and you fall down fascinating. I
kind of guest stop thinking about it. Yes, Uh, let's start here.
Red Fall is pretty bad. Red Fall came out, Uh, it
is pretty bad. Um. I can't remember do we talk about what we
were we able to talk about it last week or was it came out on
Monday? We talked about it on Tuesday. We just kind of forced it
into NT ten Dogs because I couldn't not talk about it after playing it.
Um, And you know, I don't want to repeat that stuff. It
is bad. I don't need to kind of pick at that wound, I
guess. But you know, I don't think there was there's anything about it
that I can really throw up and say, well, at least this is
good, or at least this is salvageable. It's rough all around. So
anyhow, right, we talked a bit about on Tuesday. Everyone by now
knows that most people find this game to be pretty bad. I think it's
Um, I think it's pretty miserable to play. Uh. And the stuff,
even the stuff that is okay about it is it runs in the stuff
that isn't that is really bad, and it makes that stuff feel bad.
As well, and the shooting. Some of the guns are actually straight up
bad as well. That burst rifle, it was like so confusing to me.
I didn't understand how to even use it. Uh. Anyway, yesterday
I'm kind of Funny, Phil went to your Phil went on kind of Funny
yesterday. The episode went out today on the x Cast. He did a
big interview where he addressed a lot of this stuff, and one of the
first things he said was he apologized for the game. I got some quotes
here. I'll kind of I'll throw into what we're doing. They'll kount discuss
some of these things. There's nothing that's more difficult for me than disappointing the
Xbox community. I've been a part of it for a long time. I
obviously work work on Xbox on the head of business. I have a lot
of friends and get a lot of feedback, and just to kind of watch
the community lose confidence be disappointed, I'm disappointed. I'm upset with myself.
We do mock reviews for every game that we launched, and this is double
digits lower than where we thought we would be with this game through those reviews.
That's one of the disappointing things. We would never strive to launch a
game that we thought was going to review in the low sixties. It's not
part of our goal. And then they pointed ot He's like, you know,
if you look at our games from last year, like they've been reviewing
better and better and then this happens, and I mean, okay, he
apologized. I think that that's not too surprised, and we'll get into some
of the other stuff he said about, like what's going to happen with Red
Full. I'm not gonna ask if you buy the apology, but do you
buy this thing about the mock reviews? Does that sound right like they didn't
fully know that this was going to be a low sixty. It's hard to
say, because even if they're off by double digits, that could still be
a game in the mid seventies, which isn't great, especially like, hey,
whatever, that's okay. Maybe normally with the sort of expectation of this
being Microsoft's first real first party triple A release since like what Ghost Wire,
Tokyo or Halo like one of those Kyo I guess does count, yes,
but it wasn't you know that big of a deal. Also also kind of
missed itself, just the context, it's bad. But even man, I
would like to read those because, honestly, Jeff, like even where it
is right now on a Metacritic, like in the low sixties on Xbox,
I think, like if high fifties on PC, even that seems almost a
little high to me, Like that's almost kind of being inflated by And there's
always some people who do come out they like the game. That's fine,
it's not about you know, I'm not trying to attack any of them.
But I am surprised that there wasn't even a lower general consensus, which is
how much about this game? Uh is one performs badly and the two doesn't
feel good to play. I would love to see those mock reviews, because
you know, I right like, I would love to see what they held
up as well. This is the good part of the game that people are
going to like, and this is why it's going to be a seventy a
seventy. And that's what I assume he's saying, is that they thought it
was going to land at seventies. It seems optimistic. I have a I
have a friend who's a mock reviewer, and they they've played a lot of
the games that are coming out right around now. They're no longer a mock
reviewer. They played a lot of the games kind of that are coming out
now, and I can't remember this was one of them, but they they're
very good at like spotting like, no, this game is rough, it's
really bad, and then and I'm like, oh, it's probably not going
to be that bad and it comes out and like all the things they said
were right, and it's like I tend to be like, oh, some
of these mock reviewers really know what they're doing. Uh, and you know,
these consultants are really on point. I think though that um that it's
it's totally possible game democrop Us are coming in mid seventies in that range,
maybe even high seventies, and they probably thought the game that I think it
was probably pretty easy for most of people in Microsoft to believe because of this
other point I'm going to jump down here a little bit. They just were
not that involved with this game, it sounds like, and that's by Phil's
own emission, So he was saying that Microsoft wasn't there for Redfall and Arcane
and Harvey, who was the lead director on the game, Harvey Smith,
who's had who's done a lot of really good immerse of sims. He said,
when we acquire studios, there are games that are in development, and
then there are things that are really early early in development or not even conceived
yet. I think we need to improve and engaging with games midway through production
when they become part of Xbox. This is what I've heard. If you
read it, I think some of Jazz is reporting he's heard the similar thing.
And L's basically just saying it. This game existed when Xbox took it
over. Xbox sort of looked at it and went like, oh, okay,
and then did not engage with it in a way beyond providing funding to
ensure that it would that it could meet it's it's expert meat, you know,
whatever expectations, or meet it even its potential or anything like that.
Um, and so it's like, okay, they were pretty hands off.
And I think that in itself is a problem. And he in this interview,
he basically addresses every single point you might bring up. He's like,
yeah, that is a problem, we're rethinking that. But I mean,
what do you think about that, Mike, It's you know, you hear
you first hear about this hands off approach, and it almost sounds admirable,
right, like that is great, just let the studios do their thing stuff.
Yeah, yeah, but yeah, you gotta have some kind of pulse
on things. And I mean, you know, of course you want to
let studios do their thing, but it is shocking that there's not at least
a little oversight to kind of make sure things are going well or that you're
going to release a game that reflects well on Xbox because that you know,
we are already there. It's kind of funny how fast that happened, where
Bethesa games are just Xbox games that is just so heavily associated with that brand.
And maybe there was a time when they first acquired the studio and they
like, here's everything bethesas working on, and they see Red Fall and they're
like, yeah, okay, whatever, that's not that exciting. Maybe they
knew then that that would be like their one big release in this giant span
of time. Maybe right then they would have invested more in it or looked
out for it more. But yeah, exactly just reflects poorly on the brand.
You got to keep a better eye on these things. You can't let
something, especially your first seventy dollars game. And I hate to keep harping
on this, but just imagine if instead they just positioned High Fi Rush like
it was a Triple A game, because I think the only difference there is
actually perception is actually just not having marketing, just dropping it out of no
work, saying it's a thirty dollar game, because like I think anybody in
their right mind would struggle to explain to me why Red Fall Call costs more
than twice as much as High Fi Rush. Yeah, and it's um I
think you know you mentioned that thing about like this the reception changes when they
become an Xbox and that happened to meet pretty much immediately Bethesda, and it
was definitely part of the perception with this game. And I think it's maybe
where some of the disconnect between the reality versus democ refuse, where the MOC
refusers, like, you know, if this is a game coming from a
Bethesda in the past, it would get around this and people would not be
like having such high expectations and the high the expectations were way higher. And
again Spencer himself said exactly that we didn't do a good job early on and
engaging our King Austin to really help them understand what it meant to be part
of Xbox and part of first party and use some of our internal processes to
help them move along that journey even faster. I mean, you know,
he does go on to just to say like, people have higher expectations of
first party games, and then but they know that that they have higher expectations
of first party games, and then on top of then they don't do the
stuff to ensure that it gets that love that a first party game is going
to need to stand up to scrutiny. I mean that is there's your problem
right there. I feel like that's it. Fix that, and then you're
being up much better place. Now. The obvious question make is, well,
what's what's the next big thing? Starfield? Right? Is Starfield going
to start for these big problems? He was quick to point out Starfield we
did get involved with early on. We have been holding its hand, we
have kind of like cared for that as a first party title. It's like,
man, that's great. Why the fuck didn't you do that with Red
Full And again what I heard is they just didn't care. They saw a
redfall early on and they weren't thrilled by it, and they sort of were
like, that's we're not worried. We're just not going to worry about them.
I'm like, I feel like you probably you kind of can't do that
with a game that you were putting out under the Microsoft Gaming label. Just
cancel it right then, then, you know, and that's I know,
that's hard, that's rough, and that might not have made you a lot
of friends. And maybe maybe they're they're afraid of looking like the bad guy
at that point. I don't know, but if you're not going to help
see that thing through, if you're not going to sort of shepherd it,
and you know, look at a Psychonauts too, which was something that kind
of fell into their laps and wasn't even going to be an exclusive for them,
right it's coming out on other platforms. They were they were able to
help give them resources, they were able to help them do things like play
Boss f It's in that when it seems like that might be something that was
going to be off the table because they were going to run out of money,
and it comes out and it's great, and even though it's on other
systems, it reflects well on Xbox and this is just the opposite of that
Starfield, Uh. I mean there was a bit there and I know I
said in the past, I think that game's got to be sixty fps,
and people are like, no, in no way, it's a it's a
you know, Bethesda game from Todd Howard and those games are never sixty fps.
That it feels like that was then this is now Jeff, you know,
Mike asked him, he didn't ask him, is it going to be
sixty as he says, is the messaging going to be clear about whether thirty
or fps or sixty fps? And he goes, yes, I but you
know, and he and Phil Spencer specifically talks about specifically how he's upset at
how they presented Redfall at sixty fps and then it came in at thirty fs.
So that's a problem. But it still feels like it's very high on
phils of mind that thirty fps makes your platform look bad. Yeah, and
if they are holding the hand of this game so much, isn't that one
of the big things? Now? You know, with Red Fall, it's
an unreal engine game, and it's like you have a lot of really good
unreal engine developers, you have m you have the coalition. He literally said,
we should have sent the coalition to help. He specifically said that,
right, And it's like, apparently they came in too late, is what
happened? You know, I finished that interview after I did game this morning
day he did say that, and it's like, man, that's uh,
that's something's like early on Unreal Engine. You need to help people spot those
problems immediately because it's going to take time. You all know this, and
it's uh, and you know that's again it's the frustrating thing about Red Fall,
and it's you hope that these things won't like won't be a problem going
forward. And based on what he's saying about Starfield, the expectations are again
that these won't be a problem. Like they've they've raised the bar immediately back
up, like oh, you know, you might have all been like,
Okay, maybe Microsoft is kind of a mess, and they don't know.
It's like, no, Starfield, it's not a mess, So okay,
all right, well you can you better deliver it better? Actually, you
know what it maybe it better be sixty frames per second actually, or at
least have an option to get there on console it's like, Okay, are
you sure you want to be doing that? And that's what they're doing.
All right, Fine, well we'll see. But like rud it's gonna get
judged harshly. Again, I think Starfield always destined to get judged pretty harshly.
But it's a Microsoft first party game. It's gonna be pretty it's gonna
be pretty tough for that one, and it's gonna have a hard time.
Um. One last thing about the mock reviews before I forget, and I
didn't ask around about it a little bit, and people mentioned that when mock
reviews happen, they get the most stable build available at the time, and
then they also get a list of known problems, and those problems the mock
reviewers usually operate under the assumption they will be fixed by launch. And it's
like some of the things that are just fundamentally wrong with the game could have
easily been mistaken for bugs that would get fixed. For example, bad AI
and empty worlds and stuff like that. You're like, oh, even judge
a game assuming it has good AI, that's just such a different thing it,
man, even with some of that stuff working, I just don't know.
I just don't know about Redfall, I think, yeah, I think
I think it must have got a little extra benefit of the doubt. But
um, yeah, that's uh yeah, yeah, I agree, because there's
so much repetitive content in there that yeah, it's hard to say. Um,
all right, let's see where are we at. They did. He
did say like, okay, so red Fall all these problems and here are
and he gave some examples of how they're addressing each of those problems that anyone
might bring up. He did push back against one thing where he's like,
hey, people say you have these teams that are good at making one thing,
you should have to make more of that one thing. And he's like,
well, he doesn't believe in that personally, um. And he points
to examples of you know, the evil within studio making hot hi fi rush
and absidy and making grounded things like that and the and um, there's some
other examples. He was like, but if with Arcane, we're gonna want
them to keep wanting to do what they want to do, and if it's
something different than what they've done before, we're going to keep enabling them.
And I think that's probably still right. You, um, you don't want
to pigeonhole these studios. I think that's actually kind of how you burn through
these studios pretty quickly. Just something Microsoft's been guilty of in the past.
Like you want to, like say, you want to be an enticing place
to work, keeping the talent happy, and one of the ways to do
that is, hey, no, you actually can be your creative selves here.
It's just it is something like, oh, okay, if that happens,
then all that guidance that we just got done talking about needs to be
part of the process. And you got to imagine that's going to be a
big change in Microsoft, because it just hasn't been the case so far.
Yeah. No, sure, I mean I think that's absolutely true. I
don't know too many reasonable people who would really disagree with that. Yeah,
I guess, you know, maybe I counter is Redfall really that different and
all? I mean, it's a first person shooter with RBG elements, and
you know, it's Borderlands lighten in was going to have these abversives and elements,
right, They told us it was going to be more like their other
games than it kind of wasn't just wasn't. There's another expectation problem there,
right, You know that when people said, hey, is this you know,
what is this like? Is this? Is this like a Far Cry?
Is it like left for Dead? At first, the message was just
it's not left for Dead, And maybe it should have been much clearer about
it's Far Cry three that style, maybe a little bit of border Lands.
I suppose the messaging was always a little hard on this. The messaging was
here's a three minute CG trailer of people cracking jokes and fighting vampires, and
then by you know, by when you played the game, the cutscenes are
actually going to be like still slide shows. Gosh, I'm sorry. I
could just keep going on about all the things that sort of bugged me about.
Yeah, I was. I was kind of playing on my steam deck
and that gave me some like, oh, maybe some of this stuff is
like this because it's running kind of crappy on the steam deck. And then
I booted up on the PC and I'm like, now I think I don't
like this at all. And then I talked to you and you were like,
hey, Jeff, I hate this. I'm like, yeah, all
right, yeah, it's kind of all clicking the place for me too.
I think I hate this too. I don't hate it I so strongly dislike
him. Let's see, here's okay. So it's okay we shift the topics
to something a little bit more broad from from this interview, Mike, or
you still have anything else to say about Red Fall? And what when we
talked about Red Fall? Well, I guess just this idea and he's committed
to fixing it. Still it sounds like right, right, yes, that's
right, says that you know, our carcane is going to uh, they're
gonna gonna you know, they're gonna make patches, they're gonna try to do
good here, and like it's honorable, and of course I guess you gotta
do something. I just don't know at one if that that juice is going
to be worth the squeeze and how long are you gonna be stuck squeezing?
Man? Yeah, I mean I yeah, I think I've said a bunch
of times I don't think it's worth it. I ran that poll on game
this morning, is the majority of people don't don't think it's worth it.
But that could change quickly if it becomes obvious that it is worth it.
But right standing here, right now, I just don't. It doesn't seem
like it's ever going to actually get to that point. Um, And I
think going quiet for a while and coming out with something new would be just
as I just would be even better than going quiet for a little bit and
then be like, here there's the big update to Red. I mean,
who's gonna want to go and give that another world? It is? It
doesn't It never even really had the promise of a no Man's sky right where
it's like, oh man, no man sky that works the way they said
it would work. That would be incredible. And I hope what is the
promise that exactly? I don't know. I guess the promises that you're gonna
go fight zombies in like an open world and vampires. Yeah, I guess
what. I'm not zombies, vampires, whatever the hell, Like that's what
you do. I guess that is there. You do, in fact do
those things. It's just not very fun or interesting. Yeah, in the
Epico world says they they sold a season past, they have to do some
stuff. I mean, if that's if he's all he's saying is we're going
to meet the obligations of our season pass, which doesn't sound like what he's
saying is a season pass. If if that's what he's saying, it's like
we're meeting the obligations of the season passed, and then he basically is saying
what we're saying, do the season pass and then move on? If that's
what? Because is that where this idea as I've heard people say, like,
Oh, they're gonna release two more characters, and that's the last thing
that game needs to be better is two more playable characters that is so far
removed and the kind of content that that game needs to look any better or
play any better. Yeah, I think it's I think they need to make
each of those characters that are already in the game fun in the first place.
Like that's where they're at right now, and that just seems so far.
Yeah, we were repeating ourselves. Okay, So switching up a little
bit, he talked about sort of a philosophical argument that he hears a lot
where it just make great games and then the Xbox can compete with PlayStation terms
of console sales, and he says that he doesn't necessarily think that's the case,
so basically, just making great games won't change Xbox console market share.
While claiming that the console is the core of the Xbox brand. Microsoft's head
of gaming has reiterated that the company needs to focus on the wider gaming market
if it's to be successful. Spencer was asked if the Xbox has taken its
eye off the console market by focusing too much on PC and response, Spencers
said Microsoft would be wrong to think that just building great console titles could help
it overtake Sony and Nintendo in terms of hard ourselves. Instead, it has
chosen to pursue a different strategy to the Japanese companies, one focused on fulfilling
developers visions of enabling customers to play their games on any screen. I said,
We're not in the business of out consoling Sony or consoling Nintendo. There
isn't really a great solution or win for us, and I know that we'll
upset a ton of people. And it's reasoning for this essentially is I see
commentary that if you just built great games, everything would turn around. It's
just not true that if we go off and build great games, then all
of a sudden you're going to see a console share shift in some dramatic way.
We lost the worst generation to lose in the Xbox One generation, where
everybody built their digital library of games. So when you go in, you're
building on Xbox. We want our Xbox Xbox community to feel awesome. But
this idea that if we just focused more on great games on our console,
that somehow we're going to win the console race, I think that doesn't really
lay into the reality of most people. So what he's basically arguing is during
the PS four generation, people chosen PS four and then they bought a lot
of games on the PS four and a lot of those games carry over,
some of those games being live service games like Roadblocks and Fortnite, that are
games those people still play today and they played it on PS four. So
now they're playing on their PS five because that's where all their stuff is,
that's where their friends are, and even when there's some cross progression, the
momentum's already there. So getting them to sell their PS five because Starfield is
an eleven out of ten an example that he gives. If that's if it's
eleven out of ten, they're not going to go sell their PS five.
Mike, I've thoughts about this, But when you hear that, what do
you think there's a lot to unpack from that. Yeah, because snowbike.
Mike was almost was basically you know, it's basically asking him if their second
guessing their overall philosophy, this kind of play anywhere philosophy and saying, hey,
maybe you guys need to retreat back to consoles and get that chip sorted
a bit if those best basically do you know, kind of fought back to
no, we really believe in you know, piece, we gotta be make
sure stuff is available on PC. He was rocking that a ssrorog in the
background, clearly making a statement with that on his shelf that portable devices like
that are going to be important in the future and the whole like, oh,
great games don't change anything. I don't want to read too much into
that. It's not like he's saying we don't need to make great games.
Of course, they need to make great games or else. No one's going
to play on the Xbox platform no matter where it is. I guess my
biggest takeaway from that is, man, they're really taking that last generation hard.
That that's something he still brings up. I think he's right to say
that. Getting someone to change their mind from the you know, fifty to
five hundred games, you know, some people really invested heavily last generation,
and the generations have a continuity that they never had before. There was there
was always a great reset. This is not, this is not this is
complete opposite everything. All of that momentum is still there for each console.
So I think he's right to identify that the person who has already invested in
the PlayStation ecosystem is unlikely to change the religions in such a way that they
drop PlayStation for Xbox. My thinking here is, though, this shouldn't even
really be a concern, because, of course not you. What you need
to be doing is focusing on making great games to make the Xbox as enticing
as as possible. And yeah, I think he's making a specific argument against
what Snowbike Mike was suggesting there for sure, But I think it's important for
him to be distinctive about Okay, yeah, sure, but here's here is
all the reasons we need to be making great games. And yeah, sure,
we're not going to get someone to sell their PS five, but we
could get someone to buy an Xbox Series X or S for the first time
ever. If Starfield is that eleven out of ten, and then they have
multiple consoles and they're not going to build their whole library there, and that's
going to be an uphill battle. But maybe they do get game pass like
that doesn't seem like such a tough thing to pull off. So I kind
of it sounds defeatus. And I don't know if that's what he intended it
to sound like. Probably not, but it does sound that way. It
did sound a little defeatus, and that's why I struck me. And look,
it's not a great week for him, and you know, you do
have to give him some respect for going on kind of funny and talking about
this and talking about it honestly for forty minutes. Not everything he says is
going to be a great answer. I think this is one he wishes he
could take back and work differently, especially this the great games quote of it,
because it sounds like oh, because I mean, if we really follow
that logic, it's like, well, we were never gonna be able to
compeople PlayStations, so why bother, right, And that can't be that.
Look, people see that, well then they're going to buy a PlayStation if
they think that you're not up for competing with them. And look, I
know that PlayStation one that last generation, they still sold a lot of Xbox
once. There are still a lot of people in the Xbox ecosystem that have
built their libraries on their thing. You can grow that, and you can
you do that by making great games, by keeping them happy, or there
are a lot of people who will get both. If I know it's not
everybody, but there are a lot of people who will use their disposable income
on an Xbox in addition to their PlayStation if they think there are a lot
of good games on there that they can only play on Xbox, and if
they coincidentally aren't into PC gaming. I guess yeah, it's um, it's
I don't know. I want to hesitate before we like take it the completely
way that in a way that he didn't intend. But I think you're right
that like the way that it's framed, um, at least from a glance,
from the way people might read the headlines, to the way that the
pundits that he's talking about who want him want oh let's go back to cartridges
and in the console war they are I think they are going to read it
in such a way that it's like it feels like waving a little bit of
the white flag, and I don't. I think he does mean it in
a more nuanced way of we are not trying to like you said, out
console PlayStation. We have a different strategy, and we're going to stick to
this different strategy because we think it has long term, our long term best
opportunity. And yeah, I think I agree with that. I just um,
I would I would have if I were him, immediately followed that up
with all of the reasons why it is important to keep making great games.
Um, and the MPG on Twitter set, Yeah, thanks, Um.
You know, our friend MVG said I don't think Xbox needs to build great
games to win the console race. They just need to build great games.
And Phil Spencer reply and said, well said, and true right, And
I think, you know, I think that was just a clarification. He
would have liked to have made that, because again, of course he's not
saying, well, we don't need great games, so like, why bother?
I am a little surprised that he thinks it wouldn't move the needle or
he would say that, right. I think it's it's a game of small
percentage movements. I think it's something we talk about a lot on the show
where the things you can do these days are they can move the needle.
It's going to move the needle three to five percent, and that's a there's
a lot of money in that three to five percent if it's a really big
impactful game. But it's not the idea of one generation going away and the
next coming and then suddenly there's going to be a different market leader. I
do think he's right. Those days are over. We you know, barring
Nintendo being a complete wild card and doing something different with a switch follow up
that isn't a switch at all, if they do something like that, and
all this stuffs out there window. But when it comes to PlayStation, PlayStation
is never going to give up this library of games that people have built,
and they're never gonna They're never gonna have a reset again. It is going
to be this, this investment that people have made is going to go with
them for their entire lives, and Sony's going to make sure that they feel
like they have strong ownership of that and a strong attachment of the PlayStation platform.
And that's there's already a lot of people and those are the kinds of
people that spend a lot of money on video games and so Microsoft does have
a bit of a battle winning those people over. But I think I just
think he knows this, and because that's the reason they keep selling a console.
If you want to if you want to grow this Microsoft ecosystem and the
near term and the immediate future through this generation, it's going to happen by
selling Xboxes. It's not going to help happen by getting people to play on
their phone. It's not gonna happen by the cloud gaming. I mean,
he knows these things, and so that's why they keep selling consoles. So
it's like, in the meantime, you kind of you have to outconnsole them,
but you do need to make the Xbox console the best possible console it
can be, and I think that's where they should be focusing. No,
I think are exactly right, all right. Uh. He also says he's
enthusiastic about the Xbox Showcase twenty twenty three. Mic He kind of, um,
he was like listen again, he's he's very good in these interviews,
right because I think he's, uh, there's well trained, or he's just
naturally charismatic about these things. But the way and he comes off as really
candid on us. You know at one point, Paris is like, hey,
that last showcase, you guys said that all these games will be coming
on the next show much he didn't quite make that. He stopped them like
Phil said, no, we didn't. It's thought that we didn't quite make
it. We didn't make it right. So he's kind of mister no excuses,
and I find that I find that to be refreshing as always. But
then he then he knows he knows to stop there as well, would be
like, my talk is cheap. I've talked a lot, and and so
when I say that I'm enthusiastic about the next Xbox Showcase, when have we
not said that? When? When? When if people when we told people
not to wait for the next Xbox Showcase, when that's when all things are
going to turn around. So he and he even said like we know that
even we show you this stuff, you're not going to really believe us as
a red fall until you get the control in your hand. But then all
that said, he did say that he's enthusiastic. They're going to have new
announcements. They're going to give updates about many of the games that Paris mentioned,
which were you know, the perfect dark about Fable Ever Wild things like
that. He didn't say all those games would get updates, but we said
many of them would. I don't know. I think they are. I
think he's done a pretty good job of reframing the Xbox to the point where
it does come back to where it was even before Red Fall, Starfield and
this Xbox Showcase, and if both of those things go well, they kind
of can get back on the track. At least that's how I feel.
I don't know, what do you think? No, I think are right.
You know, people do have short memories about these things. I mean,
it wasn't that long ago when we were in the Leeu era of Nintendo
and things kind of sucked over there. Jeff, it doesn't take too much
now. It did take a lot then, it took a whole It took
a consult launch with Breadth of the Wild to turn things around for Nintendo.
I don't think Microsoft needs as much because the Xbox Series X is a good
console and already is a good machine. It does really just need these better
first party exclusives to get people excited about again. And Starfield can be that,
it should be that, it better be that. Yeah, I agree,
Um, I don't know any other big thoughts about this before I move
on to the one more story before we get to our break. Yeah,
I mean, look, you're right like all that, you know, let's
talk of sheep. We've heard this, We've heard this a lot before from
him. We need to see results here, and there really is no literally
is no excuse for it. He should have made sure Redfall was going to
be in position to succeed. He there should have been more help there.
You know. He could have also just told our kid, you have to
release an apology tweet and I'm not going to say anything about this, right,
Yeah, could have been that song and dance again. So I am
at least glad that we are getting this sort of openness about it. I
am glad that we are getting some canned or even know, even though there's
something like I don't know if I necessarily do trust everything I'm hearing, but
at least a lot of this makes sense and I'm to hear him take ownership
of it. Yeah, I'm with you on that. Uh, I continue,
I can't help it. I continue to lake Phil Um it is I
think that you're not one Jim Ryan Fan. I thought I'm listen. He
doesn't come anywhere close to Jim Ryan, of course, like, come on,
he couldn't. He couldn't shine Jim Ryan's shoes. Um, But I
like Phil he uh, he's good in emergency situations. I think he needs
to get better at the day to day overseeing and making sure that some lieutenants
get hands on with these games and Satan, do you think he was distracted
by the active vision Blizzard deal. I think that's a pretty problem. I
think that's a pretty I think it's yeah, you know what, probably yeah,
almost certainly. Why why why wouldn't that be a distraction? That's not
an excuse, right, of course, it's let me know that. Yeah,
of course it's not an excuse. But I mean his job is that
his job is not actually going to these studios. That is someone else's job.
And i'm you know, Matt Booty and other people's not. I never
want to sound like I'm like, Matt Booty needs to get that is.
I don't care. Fuck, I don't care if Mat Booty gets you know,
it, keeps doing his job or not. But it's like, you
know, it does feel like you know, that was Matt Booty's job.
What where's he on all this? Can we start hearing from him? It?
Phil's gonna let that hand because Phil's going to take responsibility. Um,
but it's like, okay, well then you know what is the change in
processes that you talked about? I want to hear more about that a little
bit. You know. I know you're not going to give us like all
your all the details, but what's going to change from from today forward?
After what? Having thread fall? And does that mean different leadership is going
to actually be going in there and seeing these games? We'll see all right,
Mike, Reggie feeds me threatened to burder somebody on Twitter, and I
love it. I love it very much. Um, wasn't me at least?
Yeah? Not this time? Someone tweed. Someone tweeted that they m
we're playing a pirated version of the Legends all the Tears of the Kingdom.
Don't treat that kids, and then doing that don't do it that account.
Apparently this twets from an account that no longer exists, so Reggie did get
them. I guess Reggie has now deleted did this original tweet? Uh?
Yeah, it's Feza Mesa and FSA may right. Feen's about right, Yeah,
I was close enough. Um and then yeah, he basically said,
I don't know what you want. What I do have a very particular set
of scales. Blah blah. It's the taken quote the thing. It was
funny too. I like it, screen, I mean it. I like
that he threatened to murder in his person He'll take out Okay, come on,
he did not threaten. Really, I mean, what is that supposed
to say? But it's on Reggie. I'm not saying that somebody do something.
Yeah, I just this is I love it. I legit. Take
this is fantastic. I had a star struck moment at one E three because,
like it was like late on the third day. I just kind of
walking around what Westall and I just saw him of his little roller suitcase walking
away from the Nintendo booth on his way to the airport or whatever. I
was like, that's Reggie. He's huge, He's so cool. Uh great,
I love Reggie. Toogie again again? No, Jim Ryan, sure
who is? Uh Mike? Before we get to our break, maybe we
should recentd these supertrats because I think a lot of them are related to the
topics that we were just discussing. I figure might be good to hit those
up before we go to the break. Well, we got a few from
Big Jimbo Ryan here, fucking hey, let's go. Let's fuck go first
once here ha ha ha ha ha haha. Hey, Phileas between Red Fall
and for Spoking, we're having a mid off. I can't believe we paid
to keep for Spoken off Xbox, but oh well, hey, I like
for Spoken more than Red Ball for what I played of it. He also
says, Miamoto, get in here. It would be really funny if you
had a Nintendo last minute patch Tears of the Kingdom to be terrible. Come
on, Shaggy, get in on this. He continue, use more,
Meamoto, you have a chance to do the funniest thing ever in gaber history.
You can't let the gamers down. Come on, do it or the
game me elegend t make tears? Is the Kingdom bad for the laws and
the laws? Yeah? I mean first spoken, it is like that did
just happen. But hey, you can at least say, well that's square
Enix blah blah blah. It still reflects on Sony in some way, like
the last real one I could think of that is close to this. For
Sony is days gone, but the context there is just so different because it's
coming out in the middle of these games that are hitting big like God of
War or um, you know, I forget exactly what else is in that
timeframe, probably the First Horizon And also it was made by Ben Studio,
who had like made you know, PSPN Vita games before that. There is
other tranmpetitions. There is another example, and it's an example of how Sony
handled it pretty well. Uh they were going to put out Destruction All Stars
for seventy dollars and then they saw the game and wait, well, we
fucking can't do that. We can't do that would be crazy. And then
they put it on PlayStation Plus for free instead. Uh so yeah, like
that's an example. I said, don't forget NAC How dare you don't care?
You dare I dare you treat Knack that way? Mark? Sony deserves
better? Oh, Sony paid for Babylon's Fall exclusivity. Well that was their
own punishment. Yeah, okay, right, that was just like flogging themselves
from in front of the Catholic guy Sony. The larger point is Sony is
immune to it because they do have a steady stream of those big Triple A
games. Yeah Fall. Yeah, all down to Red Fall being the first
seventy dollars game, the first big game basically since Halo Infinite in Ghost Wire
Tokyo whatever. But Ghost Wire Tokyo didn't help either. Really guess Tokyo doesn't
really PlayStation game um super under the radar and was kind of van Yeah yeah,
yeah, okay, I don't know the consoles. It's not really helping
with the very specific thing of Xbox has no games um and it's so it's
yeah, the Red Fall had all these other things it had to deal with,
and it was not up to even be in a good game, let
alone handling the burden of all that stuff outside of it. No Sony game
has had to handle that burden because they do have so many pillars holding up
the building. Exactly. Okay, next ess, sorry, bring super chats
you nowhere. Here's from ol Grugg says, did the police save Paul Ricker
and arrest Dan for stealing that boat and holding his father hostage on it?
Did you see that picture? Yeah, we we have authorities chasing the man
down right now. Hopefully we can get Dan the help he needs to stop
doing these things that he does. Dan and his dad are so cute together.
I literally I can't. He told me, like, they want to
do that podcast when Dan seventy is dad's ninety, and I cannot wait.
I think that's going to be the best podcast. They'd be incredible. Cody
Bishop says, do you think that exclusives aren't as important to Microsoft in the
grand scheme of their game pass slash multi device reach gamers everywhere strategy? They're
more important? Like right, like because he's yeah, I know they're more
important. I know for a fact they're more important because think back to the
PlayStation four launch, it really didn't have that much. It didn't have that
much for a couple of years. I forget when when NAC and NAC.
I forget when when did um Um kill Zone whatever, yeah right, kill
Zone Kingdom Fall and had Infamous second say yeah, Like the first few ones
were not the ones, right, and then it was Block it was Blog
the first big one, and that was more than two years into the generation.
Uh So it's like and yet despite that, PlayStation Force sold no problem
easy. People were like they care about the gamers. They say it right
in their tagline it's for the gamers. Well, fucking I'm a gamer.
That's all it took. And Microsoft meanwhile created a fucking quagmire for itself by
all the all the kicks in its own ass from the launch yea and the
launch events. But then they needed the exclusives to overcome that, and then
they didn't even have those. So Microsoft needs it way more than even Sony
does, because Sony has a cachet, a long running cache with a group
of fans that are pretty happy with them no matter what. And then since
then they've had game after game after game after game, and they're gonna have
a long tail of living off that. And yet they don't have to live
off that because they keep having good games. Yeah, I think that's exactly
And you know, I don't want to like shift the blame to basically the
ghost of Christmas Pass at this point on metric here, but like man,
so much of this just goes back to that original Xbox One launch and how
completely off the mark they were with what they were prioritizing in terms of cable
TV and connect total wrong guesses. The tenderic says, who do you think
made the decision for Red Fall to be the first seventy dollars game. But
THESA or Microsoft, what do you think that decision was made internally? That
has to be a Microsoft decision, right, I'm almost certain that's a Microsoft
decision. They Yeah, because the Microsoft is the ones that like are making
money decisions. So yeah, Yeah. There was an interesting thing from that
interview now that I just remembered where Phil was kind of like talk about and
it just goes back to I almost say, to bring this up what you
said about Hi Fi Rush maybe not necessarily meeting every metric where they're like more
people play Age of Empires to console edition than they play or is an Age
of Epires four one of those Age of Empires then play High Fi Rush,
And I think he was trying to do that to lift up Age of Empires.
It kind of sounded like a problem for High Fi Rush to mean High
Fi Rush should be being should be getting played by more people than the RTS
game on console. Empires is a very it's got a lot, it's got
a lot of people play, it's got a long history, so maybe that
is the difference. But you're you're right, I kind of I heard it
that way too. Scott Levine says, doesn't red Fall turn into another scale
Bound if it's canceled a mid game with just bad pr due to lack of
games? Yes, and it doesn't matter it does. Yeah, I think
you're exactly right. And hey, maybe a lesson for all of us.
Maybe when games get canceled sometimes we don't need to go. I can't believe
they never release that because who knows, And like, no normal fucking person
knows about scale Bound? Right, No, actually are going to hear about
red Fall. It's not a real problem. It's not a real problem.
Of course, ten years from now, it's gonna be an a did you
know gaming about canceled Xbox games and people are gonna like, I wish they
released that game. It would have been so cool. Well, now we
know better, right, I don't think normal people knew about red Fall before
it came out, Right, people have heard about red Fall's bad reception.
It's become a meme, not a huge meme. I'm not saying it's like
the thing people are talking about on the streets, but it's like that is
way worse than anything. No fucking person's gonna know about scale Bound. That's
just not happening. Uh. Then from Hum drum Dog go to one one,
Jeff, please respond to my DM please safe name porkgo Rolso uh PfP,
let's hope is that Hum drum Dog or is it Porkgo Rolso? Then
I see saying pork I like that movie. But like I mean, I
told me I got so many dms. Yeah, it would have been better
if you just put the message in the in the super chat and future reference,
Jef. But you gotta find it now you're already paid. We couldn't
stop him. Yeah, if I find it eventually, I mean, you
mean, good luck man. It might be from a Hum drug Dog.
One word? You look for that, Jeff. How but we take a
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our special guest host Turboshean here to help us out with the game from Benji
Bob Sean take it over. I'm actually ask you, Jeff, to narrate
this opening for us. Can you do that for you? It's the internet,
You're busy. Let's do this. It's not too bad. Where are
they seeing, Jeff? Well, they they're seeing a Bop original, literally
asked an audio podcast Jeff, I have listen to the music. I was
making sure that everything was going good with the audio. It's text flying through
space like Star Wars. What do you think is happening? Audio listeners?
It's supposed to read the Bop original, I'm saying. I was like waiting
for the rest of it. An audio shows to take this fucking show.
Find them. You want to read the rules too? Do I even do
everything? You're out here? All right, sit your ass down, I'm
taking over christ all right, everybody drink? She said. That went exactly
like I wanted it too. It is time once again vil One's fair game
show with that podcast closest to the Messy Pin, as Jeff the sort of
narrated there the rules. If it's your first time. Every round you will
be given a capital C certified aka older in ten years retro game. The
goals who predict the game's Metacritic score, We'll be using a closest slippin scoring
system aka you know the golf pun that we have there. The score difference
between your guests and the correct answer will be accumulated after every round. At
the end of the game, the lowest total score wins again Dolf rules.
If you guess the exact Metacritic score as it lands right now on metcre dot
com and step getting a zero, you can deduct five points from your total
score. Gentlemen, are you ready? Let's do this? Okay? Who
the hell? One last time? I probably should have looked this one up.
I think I did. I did? I got two exactly right,
So how would I That was the one where you got too, Jeff?
Thank you appreciate that, alright, So Mike will be give me the first
guest here on Star Wars Episode two, Attack of the Clones, the game
Boy Advanced version of this licensed game, May thirtieth, two thousand and two.
Fourteen critic reviews, Uh, can we ask who the publisher is?
I'm asking before answers, so we both have the same advantage. He doesn't
have that. Okay, that's fine, Uh cool, thanks for help.
Well he's what do you want, mister? What you got them to google
it for you? Kind of? You have no idea? I'll may hoops.
My computer is going through right now to get freaking power points, presentation
stream or the Internet execue like all of those things. I don't mean,
I just I don't remember the console episode two game being very good. I
let learn the Gameboy Advance version. It's not like that episode three Gameboy Advance
game that was actually pretty good, but I probably also didn't get like great
reviews. I'm gonna say sixty eight, sixty yeah. Okay. By the
way, the man himself, Bob, is saying in the chest TSQ.
Okay, thank you, Bob, thank you, Bob. I'm gonna go
with a full red ball. I think it was sixty two, lay up
now, thank you. Okay. So Mike has sixty eight on the board,
Jeff has sixty two, and the correct answer is thirty eight. Headquarters
just did not know how to make games apparently. Oh boy, I see,
so you got thirty I've never had to enter a number this high into
this bottom one. I don't know how it works. Your computer handle calculations.
Beside, Christ red ball looked like red faction over here. I don't
even know what that means. I guess yeah, we're no one's going negative
tonight, that's for sure. We're guaranteed not to go negative. So that
means that the blue side, Mike has thirty points on the board, Jeff,
the red side, can't imagine what that stands for. It has twenty
four points on the board. Wow. Wow, I didn't know we were
editorializing Benji. Okay, aren't you the dude who dressed up as Darth Maul
during a live stream? No? I was No, I was Wolf Pecks
thing. You philistine? Oh it looks a lot like Darth Maul, doesn't
any Yeah, I think we always just say starth Maul. I'm disgusted.
Anyways, A game number two, Jeff's pick will be Star Wars Rogue Squadron,
Nintendo sixty four, November seventeenth, nineteen ninety nine, nineteen ninety eight,
Sorry about that. Fifteen critic reviews. Shit, all right, this
is tough. I want to go higher than I probably should, but I'm
want to go too low. It's I'm gonna go with eighty on the dot.
Eighty on the dot. Okay, they get did better than that.
I'm gonna say eighty five. I hope it did better. I yeah,
I hope. So I feel like this one could be a toss up.
I actually don't know myself. Well, Star Wars of Rogue Squadron, which,
okay, I was talking about this stream to day every mind me is
this like the first one and then the other ones were on the GameCube.
It's the first one. The other two were on the GameCube, but then
the second one was the GameCube launch game. This is like the whole Jedi
Academy thing. I can't remember which one is which because they did that like
three different times where they did the rambo thing to it. I'm not like
that, just because I care about these games a lot, so I know
the difference. But you're right, You're right, Yeah, but you're fucking
nerd. Anyways, the actual score on metacrict dot com is eighty five.
Let's go Mikey nails. It gets five points deducted from his score. Jeff
gains five. The tides have turned. The Jedi Order now has twenty five,
and the sixth scrub has twenty nine. This is terrible. I shouldn't
be treated this guy. I'm sad to say scores as I it's hilarious.
Game number three Star Wars The Force Unleased two released for the Xbox three sixty
October twenty six, twenty ten. Fifty nine critic reviews, mikey is your
pick first? Yeah, I don't think this in particularly well. I'm gonna
say a very nice sixty nine. Nice damn it. Um, I'm I'm
gonna go with seventy one, and I feel good about it. I think
I got this one. Yeah, I don't think I would have guessed lower.
This is funny because as a part of the research I did for our
discussion, which is up on YouTube and podcast feeds right now. Everybody,
please go listen, I actually checked out what the Matras score was for both
the original and this one, and so I already know that the Xbox three
sixty version has sixty one. A good game, almost a red Fall,
almost almost the full Red Fall. Yeah, okay, so Mike gains eight
points, Jeff gains ten. That's thirty three thirty nine for Jeff. Game
number four, Star Wars Cole and Knights of the All Republic two Cole and
the Sith Lords the Least for the Xbox December six, two thousand and four,
sixty seven. Craig reviews. That feels like a lot of reviews for
a game that I'll be honest, I've I don't know much about. I
feel this is a good game that was not reviewed well at the time because
of a lot of performance issues. Uh, but it's like hard, too
hard to like pin down, Like where does that put it? Then?
Because people even recognize that there was a good game in there, I'm gonna
go with seventy two. Seventy two. I don't think it did that bad.
I think it did a lot worse than Cold Tour, But Coultur was
like a in the nineties cult reviewed so well. I think this is still
closer to like an eighty eight, all right, there's a chance for Jeff
to make up a lot of ground here, though there's a big difference between
our two scores, And I don't know. I think you're right when you
put it sid of like that, like that's a good point. Yeah,
I'm very curious because I feel like people don't talk about this one nearly as
much as the first one. Yeah, it's been sort of redeemed since then.
And the people who are like, I think so yeah, yeah,
the people are like, who if you know, you know, really like
it because the story is very good in it. M okay, gotcha?
Gotcha? Was this was this subsidian subsidian, subsidian? Okay, got it?
All right? Well, the score for this game currently, I don't
want to read the whole day again. Coachward two uh is eight? Okay,
got a lot of leeway, got a lot of leeway. I was
very fire originally, but I'm like, I can be safe within eighty man.
Okay, m that's a really high score, man, I do Yeah,
that's like really good, David, I have a finished ending. Yeah
yeah, they they they Zeno's Saga did or whatever something like that. Yeah,
Gears sextually the one that didn't finish the ending. There we are,
okay, going into the final round here beautiful like the thirty nine points on
the board, Jeff has fifty three. No, this is not a basketball
game, everybody. This is the final game for the evening. Is Star
Wars Racer Revenge PlayStation two, February eleven, two thousand and two thirty four
creator reviews, Mike, your first pick. I remember it wasn't received nearly
as well as the original episode when Racer, largely because this is just a
game that it ran at thirty franks per second, and if ever there's a
game that you won at sixty, it's this. I think it was like
a seventy two. Seventy two. Okay, uh well, I gotta go.
Let's see. Let me do some Matthew. If I get minus five,
I'd have to be what eleven different from you? So let's just hope
the math works out and I'll go with a sixty sixty. Okay, I
don't guess. I saw that Revenge there, and I one herd percent thought
this was a demolition in my head when I first Okay, it was kind
of fun, really cool for messing around with your friend for thirty Mitch,
Sure, right. Well. Star Wars Racer Revenge is currently sitting at a
seventy three. Critic Mike was one point off, Jeff was thirteen points off,
which means that at the end of the game here the Jedi triumph over
the Sith forty points to jest agree to this. I didn't agree to any
of this order sixty six, Oh my god, gonna kill us all.
And he's very concerned that I'm yelling it's okay, tiny that they're just gonna
murder us. Yeah. Good, good game, Jeff, Thank you,
Bob, Thank you, Sean. That was a lot of fun, especially
the part where I won. I was some good guesses. You're still forty
off, but pretty good guesses, but mostly the first one, right,
the first one, Yeah, that's actually you're forty points off of that.
Yeah, I think, yeah, you were pretty close. Otherwise, all
right, that was a great pay for the first one. Bob, nicely
done. Thank you as always. All right, Sean, thank you so
much. I appreciate it. H Mike, a good game. Let us
go ahead and do what we're gonna do here for the rest of the show.
And by that I mean take a quick break like refix these cameras.
You're able to do that, we're gonna do the show. Talk about we
been playing you get to the rest of these super chats. Thank you all
so much. We'll read all of those. If he keep saying, I've
been appreciate it all right, thanks for thinking with us. We're gonna keep
that whereas it was that that birth was beautiful and we're not going to change
who we are for you, our listeners. Mike, We're gonna do a
Mount Rushmore and it's made the fourth were gonna do aout Ushmore Star Wars games.
I will. I'll bring up the chart here for everybody in a second.
But let's let's just kick it off. Where do you think we should
begin? It's this is interesting because there's some big ones. There's also ones
that are almost like baby correct put boring answers. Sure, so let me
let me actually bring this one up right now. And it kind of falls
in that a lot of category. These Star Wars Arcade game by Atari,
which is super fun, it's super iconic, it's pretty important. People I
care that much about it now, I don't. I don't. I know
a lot of people who do. But I also think they're wrong. Um,
I mean I had to. I had to. I had like the
up the port of it for thirty two X and that was pretty cool.
Actually yeah, yeah, and there's it's actually still kind of fun to go
back to. I guess it's very cool and for the time with the vector
graphics and anything, it was really neat and even for a long time after
it, it's still fun. And I know, like by Mount Rushmore rules,
I guess it deserves some consideration, but I don't know. It's just
a bit too old, even from Mount Rushmore. It's it's older than George
Washington. It's like putting John Smith from Pocahanas on there, yes, which
we're not gonna do. We do John Smith on there? Um. Yeah,
So I'm trying, like, what are the other iconic but boring ones?
Okay, The other one I was kind of thinking of with this,
and some people are going to agree with me, is Lego Star Wars.
Yeah. I mean I don't want to put that up there because it just
feels like such a specific thing where it's it's kind of like Lego is its
own thing. Like if we were doing a Mount Rushmore Lego games, Star
Wars would definitely be up there. But I don't know, it feels like
slight, and it has always felt slight. And while it's great Star Wars
fan service, it's not even really the best Star Wars fan service. It
doesn't even do that better than anything else. Yeah, and I don't mean
this to be condescending what they were always really good at was being very good
kids games. They are right and there fantastic that they're fun playing with your
kids. I don't have that much in Risks as an adult of playing,
like I would even get in this trap for a while where it's like,
well, now it's the Lord of the Rings lego game, I'm really excited,
and then I played it would be a fucking Lego game. I feel
like this is a kind of doll because it's really simple and not very interesting.
But as the lego with the brand, I like, so, yeah,
I think it's a little rough. I could see an argument for it,
but it just doesn't really interest me to put it on there. So
then okay, then let's start thinking about someone someone that do have a chance.
There's some obvious months we'll get to him. There are quite quite a
few Star Wars shooters, ones that are just either first person shooters or kind
of you know, adjacent or in that ve. Even like if you just
go Dark Forces, the Dark Forces series, like which one of those would
even be in contention? Yeah, so you know, actually, before before
we start potting, Jeff I bought Dark Forces. It's on sale right now,
like the original game, which, if you don't know, basically like
a Doom clone with Star Wars stuff on top of it. Fans have made
something called the Force Engine, which allows you to run this Dost game on
modern computers, like up to high resolutions with all these other bells and whistles.
It's really cool. I was having a really a neat time with it.
I think it's one of my favorite shooters of that kind of time in
space. But it's not the best Star Wars shooter. And there's a lot
of sequels to that game, and all of them are good. Jedi Night,
Jedi Outcast, Jedi Academy, Jedi Outcast is the one that sticks out
to me. It's the one that's the most. It doesn't really feel necessarily
a pure clone to some other game. Does a really good job of making
those Jedi powers a lot of fun and mixing them in with the shooter elements.
I think that kind of Jedi combat, lightsaber combat is still really fun.
It's better than we have in Forced Unleash. It's different than Jedi Survivor,
which is kind of doing more of the defensive Perry dark Souls kind of
thing. This is very offensive. You're jumping on Walls doing Princip Persia shit
and just kind of wailing that lightsaber using all these force powers. Kyle katarn
is awesome of just a big fan of that character. Jedi Academy is also
really good. Its story is just kind of whatever, whereas Jedi Outcast this
is really fun Star Wars story. Actually, you know, you have familiar
characters in there, like Lando shows up and so on, but it still
stands on its own in a really nice way. So I think if I
had to pick a shooter from that series, Jedi Outcast and then maybe the
other one, you know, like the recent Battlefront games that are pure first
person shooters, they're fun. I think they're better than all few game credit
for I think, yeah, looks really good to Battlefront two. Yeah that
sorry battle Front two is that level set on that one planet that rains a
lot from episode two, and that is like one of the cool, cools
looking levels in a shooter. I love that, but it has problems.
It doesn't always run great. That engine is super well optimized. Campaign is
kind of baggy. Yeah, yeah, I think the other first person shooters
probably be Republic Commando, where you placed the Clone troopers. That was always
a shock. It was so much fun back then. Um, you know,
it's just a lot of it is that it's not really doing anything super
original, but it just kind of all felt really good. It did more
with Episode two than Episode two did, right, and a lot the prequels
were good for that in a lot of ways where the movies were always bad,
Well, we got good games out of them, and Republic Commando is
one of the poster children for that. What do you feel about the Pandemics
Star Wars Battlefront games? Yeah, this might be controversial. I sometimes shocked
people liked them as much as I liked them. People talk about Battlefront two
like it was one of the best games that generation. I saw somebody asking
whatever year it was that Battlefront two came out, I forget what it was,
Like, what's the game of the year of two thousand and four or
two thousand and seven or whatever, and a lot of people were like,
well, Battlefront two obviously, and that shot somebody who was there then.
That shocks me, Like those games were good. I think they got reviewed
in like the mid to little eighties. Yeah, two thousand and five,
it's a good game. I agree. I can't see it as a Mountain
Rushmore. But maybe I'm missing something here. What do you think about it?
I mean, but I was not playing a lot of a lot of
it at the time. Um, and ever, whenever I would go back,
I just felt like I was missing something because I know people love the
game, and I'm like, yeah, it's clearly really just built to be
fun, and I appreciate that. But also it's I feel it felt when
I played it later disposable, like it's just like, yeah, they're just
throwing a bunch of stuff in there. And well, I mean, I'm
sure that for people who were there, that's not what they want to hear.
But um, I think I tend to agree with you, right,
I like it, I get it. I am a I don't want to
say overrated, because that has like more baggage on it than I mean,
but I am surprised people feel as strongly about it as they do. Okay,
so we have Jedi outcasts of Rebel Commando in Republic Commando. In the
consideration those games games came out of, like the Shooters, Star Wars games,
We'll see if they even make the list. Um, there's a lot
of then, like Star Wars games, Flight SIMS or Arcadie Flight Game.
Yeah, this is where I feel bad, Jeff, because I just I
think this could be a blessed bout of both of us. We might have
to beg forgiveness here. Neither of us really played those x Wing games and
people absolutely love them. I have them and I keep meaning to go back,
but I also feel like I might have missed my window to get into
them. Yeah, it's a shame. Like now on the kind of mirror
side of that, the sort of more arcady shooters of those, the Rogue
Squadron games I was very much into, and Rogue Leaders one. I think
that's the best of those, and that seems like a pretty easy one to
throw up there. For me. It's a game that still just looks amazing.
One of my favorite Launch games ever. It's still the game that I
think makes flying around in like an X Wing or an A Wing feel really
good. Star Wars Squads did come out, and it was a lot of
fun, but I almost kind of prefer this more arcady gamy feel of this
as opposed to like, we're going to really make it feel like you're in
the cockpit. I know I wanted to feel like I'm playing with a toy
actually, and Rogue Leader does an amazing job of that. Yeah, I'm
fine with either Rogue Squadron or Rogue Leader, but I think I probably agreed
that Rogue Leader. I mean, Rogue Leader was so good it looks amazing
to this day. It was a great GameCube launch game, and it just
was very It felt very Star Wars like Throw and Through. The music was
great in there, they the technology was just really good. Rogue Leader is
very very It deserves to probably be up there for sure in my opinion.
But yeah, I'm with you. Like h I missed down a Tie Fighter,
I missed on an x Wing Xwing Alliance all that stuff, and I
feel bad. But I also probably even I probably put Rogue Lead up there
first because I was such a GameCube kid. Um, I would be shocked.
And even if I played Tie Fighter now or Tie Fighter versus x Wing
or x Meing Alliance, whichever one people think is the best one, it
might be too late for me to ever really think I like it more than
Rogue Leader. Yeah. I know those are different things in a way,
but they're similar enough. A little shout out though, to the very underrated
I think Starfighter games from the PlayStation two, which are really more like pure
rail shooters like a Star Fox. But Starfighter and Jedistarfighter we're actually pretty fun.
I think star Fox I never played those games. That's that's interesting.
I didn't really. Yeah, they're they're they're good time. There's a Waddo
like character in it. It's not Waddo, but it's that alien species and
that's fun. Toy Darian of course. Yeah, but Jedi Jedi star Fight,
specially rail shooter isn't really what I mean, but you know, it
is kind of star foxy. They're not like star Fox bade In my mind
they were a lot like Star Fox. It's been a while since I played
them, but I might be wrong on that, but they're good games.
They're worth checking up because in my mind it was much more linear as opposed
to Rogue Squadron, which is like you're in these arenas you can kind of
fly around over the place. In my mind, the Jedi Starfighter games and
the Starfighter it was more you're going down a path. Um what Okay.
There's some other things that are definitely on the bubble, Star Wars, Shadow
of the Empire. How do you feel about that one. That's when I
really do have a soft spot for I don't think that puts it up there
though, Yeah, I have a soft spot for it. It it also
seems important in a way. Yeah, yeah, very yeah hof level very
early until sixty four game. It was a big moment for Star Wars is
back on consoles because before then there were not a lot of console Star Wars
games. We had the Superstar Wars games, which are fun, you know,
two D platforms that are almost more known for being hard than anything else.
They're fun. I don't think they make it on here. But this
was when it was like, after this, it felt like we just had
a steady stream of Star Wars games that basically lasted until the Xbox ree sixty
era, when it suddenly slowed down. And then we got you know,
like a Force unleashed, when a Force leashed two and that was like about
it for that whole generation. Um okay, and then the MMOs Star Wars
Galaxies and Star Wars the Old Republic. Nah, both of them are very
interesting. Both of them are fun. I admire things about them more so
Galaxies, even though it failed much harder. But no, yeah, Galaxy
is a super interesting I like, I love reading about it. I don't
think I ever would have liked actually playing it, but I really love reading
about the way the game was supposed to work and how hard it was supposed
to be to become a Jedi, and then then realized, like making a
game that where it's like, you know, it's gonna be very difficult become
a Jedi, and then being faced with the economic reality of people paying money
want to be a fucking Jedi, you idiots. It's oh god, that
kind of sucks. I wish they could have stated their original vision. Maybe
that's uh yeah, that's definitely not gonna make it on this list, though.
I mean we can start getting to some of the obvious ones now,
Mike, I mean maybe the most obvious one, Star Wars Knights of the
Old Republic. Yeah, that's the biggest lock. Absolutely, yeah, I
think that's number one. It's this great original Star Wars story, it's this
really good RPG. It was actually hugely important for making the RPG's like non
JRPG turn based out RPG's popular on consoles like that in Marwin really paid away
for that, and honestly, Code Tour more so than Marowin. It was
this big deal. It was this big hit. It was this kind of
moment like, man, I it's almost kind of like now we're like,
man, I don't know if I like the Star Wars movies, but I
do like Jedi Survivors, So that's nice at least. Oh, the prequels
kind of suck. Code Tour show is great that I can still like Star
Wars and be into it because I have this thing I h Yeah, it
was, Um, it was for a very long time. It was like
that, it was the best Star Wars that wasn't you know New Hope,
Return of the Jedire Empire strikes back and it's like, uh, and there
wasn't much else anywhere close to it, and um, you know a lot
of that comes down to great storytelling and and really I'm still to this day
a very fun game, um where it's fun to like explore your character and
turn into and you know, talk with your team and stuff like that.
And they had some really great writing for h K forty seven. All this
stuff got good characters. Yeah, so I it's a lock like that's in
fact, I think it's number one with a bullet. Yeah, it's a
it's a pretty easy lock. I mean again, when that switchport came out,
I started up for funzies just ended up playing through the whole thing.
Again. It is just that kind of game. I love it. Uh.
I think. I know Quator two is is supposedly a good game.
Uh, but look, I mean it's nice that fans added in the ending,
but like the Day that should have been there for the beginning. Yes,
exactly, Yes, I mean this is not a statement against Cotour two
in any way, but Cotur is the game that goes up here for sure.
Um Survivors too recent and I haven't finished it. Uh, and it's
two recent. It's to go up on on a mount rushmore. But what
about Fallen Order, Yeah, I kind of I kind of like it up
there. I think it. I think it deserves consideration. I do like
it a lot. I think it's combat feels really good. I think it's
the best like lightsaber action game outside of the Jedi Outcast Jedi Academy branch.
In some ways, it does some things better there, like deflecting the blaster
bold stat feels also good in those games. Yea. I love that they
kind of did the three D Metroid Vinia rout with it. That sounds great.
There's some really good characters in this. I like Grease a lot.
I like Bed. That's a very cute little droid. Jeff, there's a
lot to like about Jedi Fallen Order. I think me and you even like
it more than most do. Yeah, I think it was. If it
wasn't my game of the year that year, it was in the top three
for sure. Um, I really like that. I love that game.
I straight up love that game. I would give it U five stars because
i'd was one of my favorite things. Uh, and Survive I'm enjoying even
more. But I think I think Fallen Order is in this five games that
we have right now which currently stands out for audio listeners, Nights to the
Old Republic is a lock, and then for the free remaining slots right now,
we have Jedi Outcasts, Republic, Commando, Rogue Leader, and Fallen
Order. Yeah, any other games for consideration you want to throw in there
before we start putting some other stuff next. Yeah, there's a big one
at least, and I think there might be a few more putting. Episode
one Race Sir is absolutely one of my favorite Star Wars games. It might
be. It's probably my second favorite racing game flat out after Ridge Racer Type
four, And you know how much I like Ridge Racer Type four. Episode
one Racer was like that game again, like kind of like, uh,
how Republic Commando was like the good side of episode two. Episode on Racer
was the good side of episode one. Definitely that episode one game. I
actually do like that. It was on PC and PlayStation. It's it is
jankie. I kind of like it. Anyways, it doesn't I don't think
it holds up for people who aren't sickos about enjoying old games. Still,
Episode one Racer definitely still holds up. It is so fast, its presentation
is great. I love it's goofy cast of characters, just so much fun.
I would kill to have another one of these. Uh Okay? Can
I put the Star Wars arcade, the one from the more modern one that
I like a lot. Can I put that on conserration because I think that
actually is an iconic game in a lot of ways, where uh, it
was just in movie theaters for so long, so it's like it was kind
of reliable, like you didn't have to go find an arcade to play it.
It was gonna be in your AMC and it was gonna it was gonna
be. It was gonna work. And sure, after like ten years that
the burning on it was pretty rough, but it was like nuts, this
is still that same game and and it feels great in these It does a
really good job of of hitting the big beats of the movie in a way
that it's just fun to play. And then it was you could get you
could kind of get good at it so that you could go through the action
sequence where you know, you're shooting atsts, you're and you're shooting Imperial Probe
droids, and then because it's you know, Empire strikes back scene, you're
gonna get to Boba Fett. You know, you have to fight off Boba
Fett and with your lightsaber and because it's a joystick, can kind of do
lightsaber movements. And it was just it felt really really awesome and it was
cinematic and I think they did a really good job with that game. I
still I played it again recently. I played it when when we were in
Chicago. I played it when um I was in wherever the hell I was
was traveling. Recently, Lau and Man, I still really liked that game.
A ton Sean says, the Internet's not gonna like what they are.
I'm not gonna like with the internet set, so I put Episolin Racer over
Battlefront two, Shows of the Empire or Superstars. I believe him. About
Battlefront two. I don't really think there are that many people who hold like
brightly blazing candles for shows of the Empire or Superstar Wars. I think shadow
the Empire's haf level, I do hold that candle fort and then everything after
I don't. It's like that's where it's very much on the bubble. People
are like that, I'm gonna go at the list, and I do think
now I'm like been thinking about it. I think if we have a Republic
commando on here, I also think I do want the modern Star Wars Republic.
I'm sorry Star Wars Battlefront two because they did kind of get to that
game where there's so much Star Wars in it that I think I kind of
want at least to be considered. I have to say in this spirit amount
Rushmore, Jeff, actually, if we were to consider a Battlefront maybe we
should consider the older one people who carry this massive torch for it and I
agree with you. I prefer the knewer one. Actually, I think I
do. I had more fun with that than I ever did the old one,
even when it was of its time. To be completely honest, but
I do. I if I was going to be Mount Rushmore about it,
I think I would do that. And almost also in the spirit amount Rushmore,
we've done it before. Maybe we should considered x Wing. Maybe we
should just say, hey, it's reputation precedes it. It's obviously important.
People love this game, and it started this whole thing in a lot of
ways. It was that, along with uh Dark Forces, really kicked off
that era of Star Wars PC games. You're going specifically with Xwing versus Tighter.
I think I think I think Tye Fight is the one that people really
it's the first one. Also, so there's that. Yeah, so I
think that's interesting. Okay, thank you, I could twenty seventeen. There
you go. Now, I'm trying. I'm trying to like Lightning, like
blast Out, any other ones were missing that might be portant. I know,
I like that Episode three game for game Boy Advanced D. That's not
considered No, Yeah, I love it. I have so I want a
soft Spot for it. There's weird things too, like a what was the
desktop game with Yoda Yoda Stories? Yeah, Yoda Stories. I remember seeing
that cute. I remember seeing that in Spain and being like it was like
there was a game Boy version of it. I'm like, what the fuck
is this? I had no height, I never heard of it. The
people who know say X Wing versus Tie Fighter is the one that we should
do for that series. Yeah, I mean some people do say Tie Fighter
X versus Tie Fighter is definitely. Yeah, you know. I liked Rebels
Alto. I'm surprised how many people in chatter saying Rebel Assault too like that.
Okay, I'll be I'm gonna just say it for somebody who gets go
down for being for liking boomer games a lot. I don't know if I
could think of a more boomer game. And Rebel Assault Too, which was
basically an FMV game, yeah, it's like it's like got some real rough
effort, wow, fun FMV sequences. Yeah, consideration, I don't know
if we even need to do that. Look, I like Reppert there now
I've deleted it. There we go. Yeah, um yeah, I'm sorry.
Uh, there are a bunch of arts Star Wars games. I never
fell in love with any of them. The one I liked the most was
the one that was literally just Age of Empires two of a Star Wars skin,
which wasn't very ambitious, but it was fun. I know there's an
original one that some people like more, but I never cared for it.
Um, what about Star Wars Masters of Terrascasi. No, all right,
here's the list as it stands right now. Knights of the Are Republic bullet
pointed number one, and then for consideration, should I outcast Republic Commando,
Rogue Leader, Fallen Order Episode one, Racer, Star Wars Trilogy, Arcade,
Battlefront two, Battlefront two, and then Star Wars X Wing versus Tie
Fighter. Uh fours Unleashed is not gonna go up there, right, No,
it's not good enough. Yep, it's not. It's okay, I
like it, but not sniffing it. Uh, Fallen Orders a bit new,
not two new. I mean it's like four years now at this point.
Yeah, it's definitely just old enough. I think where Uh yeah,
there's no issue. Um, I'm surprised how many people in chatter say Jedi
Academy over Jedi Outcast. I really don't agree with that. As much fun
as Jedi Outcast is, Mike, I think I think it's I think they're
pretty close, but I think it's Jedi Outcast. Um, I think it's
Jedi. I think it's jast. Yes, yes, it's like Kyle Katarn.
I got to be able to play as Kyle Gatarn. It's out of
my OC who I think. I think that was the first time. Actually
I was old enough where my me, my OC just be a sexy character.
I think I just made a sexy girl. You. Yeah, it
was a formulative moment for me. Uh uh all right, Mike, I
got um, well, yes, I want to do this. I want
you to. I want you to say, which one would you most like
to put on there out of these ones we're considering, I mean, the
one I most want to put up there, the one I think should go
up there. Let me see if those if those are the same. Um,
this is tough because a lot of these kind of hover in the same
general area for me. But of of these, I think, I think
the one that I'm leaping toward most with both my brain and my heart is
Rogue Leader. Yeah. I love Rogue Leader. Jeff, I think it
represents that that kind of era really well. It was this amazing Gamecublanch game,
which was an amazing system. It's also part of that Star Wars Nintendo
sort of lineage that I think, um, it kind of helps me out
with like, yeah, I think that had a hof level as well.
One of those games had a HAWF. I mean there's you know, people,
if you're mad that we don't have shows of the Empire, this is
direct lineage of that. It's just way better, exact, way better than
that, right exactly. So it's like it kind of covers our bases there,
I feel like. And uh, I mean that's also part of the
lineage of Star Wars. Games are often technically amazing, like that's happened a
bunch of times. I mean that goes back to the Vector game and here
it is Rogue Leader. At that time, just nothing looked better in terms
of trying to mimic realistic photo realistic visuals. And yeah, I think Roge
Leader goes up there. I think any but nobody's mad about Rogue Leader,
so I know that that's right. I think that's correct. Yeah, Yeah,
it is the game that brings dolfins to its knees. Yeah, dolphins.
Yeah, it still runs rough on there. That's why. That's that
is the one game where I really need to get a GameCube for Um.
Okay, Mike, how about you? What do you want to put up
there? It's hard. I'll tell you. The one I want to put
up their most would actually be Episode one Racer. Yeah, I mean,
and I think in a similar vein I would want to put up Star Wars
Trilogy Arcade. Um. But is that is that's it's probably not our list
right here. No, I mean, here's the I'll be honest. Here
are the four that I'm actually really considering now, Okay, our Jedi Outcast,
Fallen Order, EPISODEE Racer, and then maybe Trilogy Arcade. Yeah.
When you, I mean when you put a point out that all those games
who are out there, I really like Trilogy Arcade and I think it's got
some I think it's got some potential to be up there. But I think,
yeah, Fallen Order and Phone Order and Jedi Outcast. Maybe here's my
dream. My dream to the I would like to do would be Jedi Outcast
in Episol one Racer. My concern becomes, it becomes a bit of Wow.
Those are four games from the exact same leg almost four year window,
and I don't know if that matters from Mountain Rushmore maybe the four very Yeah,
they're there, Yes, I still they represent a breadth of Star Wars
in a different way. It's also more like the Four Horsemen of Star Wars
games than the Mountain Rushmore. Yeah, which, which one's famine? Um
okay, let's see, let's start getting rest on of these other ones that
we're not gonna put up there. We're probably not actually gonna put a battlefront
up there. Huh No, I'm sorry, I just uh, neither of
them, not really, And I feel worse about X versus Tie Fighter.
That's a blind spot on us and we were we should try to remedy that,
but before this same time next year, Jeff, how about that?
Yes, that sounds great. Yeah. I would really, you know,
make something of made the fourth and actually play a game, but I'll do
it soon because I really want to play those games. And Republic Commando is
just not as good as a first person shooter Star Wars game as Jedi Outcast
is. Yeah. Um okay, So we have Nights to the Republic and
Rogue Leader up there, and we're feeling pretty good about those. We have
two slots left and we have Jedi Outcast, Fallen Order Episode one, Racer
in Star Wars Trilogy arcade. I um, even Star Wars Trilogy arcade.
I mean that's not from like some completely different era. That was just a
few years before many of these. Not even that's around the same exa.
That is the golden era, man. That is when Star Wars games just
absolutely ruled. There were so many of them, and not all of them
hit, but a lot of them hit like crazy. Um okay, which
one definitely I again because like chat is still freaking out about it. I
was there, Jeff, I was there too. Battlefront games were not that
big a deal, right, Yeah. I guess when people in my I
guess there's everybody five or ten years younger. For us, that was their
life. Yeah, apparently apparently for everyone who's like twenty five right now,
that was the game. And it's oh, okay, I guess I guess,
so right, say that doesn't matter what Batters is now. Okay,
well, now they're just those games, but whatever. I don't know.
I was there, Uh no, no, And that didn't mean to like,
of course always, it doesn't just mean that I'm this is just a
general thing. I am surprised because again, like I'm gonna look it up
right now, what's the metacritic on the original Star Wars battle for two?
And again that's not like that's not the sale and all of the game's quality,
I know, but I just never like on PC it's a seventy eight
the two thousand and five battle Front two. You know, that's just like
where like sixty four player battles. That's pretty cool, and it's a lot
of it's basically bag I mean, not too far. Yeah, it's like
a PlayStation two. It's it's an eighty four, which is like a good
score good score an Xbox it's a eighty three. Like that's that's just what
I remember it as as an eighty four is an eighty three. So I'm
always shocked how many people it's like that is one of my favorite games.
We're not putting it up there, Um okay, because we have too many
other games that we really do want to put up there. Um yeah,
that's where we're at. Sorry, everybody, I'll tell you which one is
looking more important to get up there. To me, is Jedi Outcast.
That's kind of like it's gotta be something in that first person lineage has to
be represented here. Yeah, I think Jedi Outcast does go up. And
then I think Katarn is such a homie. I listen. I think Racer
I would it would be okay, I would be okay with Racer. I
do think actually Star Wars Trill Jarcade rounds out this list more and then we
live a phone order, but I think we do leave a phone order.
I think pallone orders left off. I think Jedioutcast kind of also represents like
the Jedi game exactly better than fallone Order does. Uh. I don't know,
Jeff, I wan Racer on there more than Arcade. I mean,
I know you do. I really I really like Race. I mean they're
listen, they're both they both kind of like bring a different flavor up to
that list. They both they either one of these could be the Roosevelt.
Um. Did we see what Chat thinks if it's episode one Race services Star
Wars trilogy or Yeah, I think I'm okay with that. That's a good
want to say, Okay, Chat, here's your chance to it's mad at
us we'll get let's see if they think about this at least. Yes,
here's your chance to weigh in and actually shape this list. And uh,
I'm not gonna make a Q and A because then I know what you would
put. I'm just gonna give you two options. Episode one, racers or
people. Some people are boycotting the pole because they're so bad about battle Okay,
I can't believe. Okay, we are. We're gonna have a Battlefront
two night. We got We'll figure it out. Whatever it takes to make
that happen. I don't know what it what it will take. If that's
possible that we'll play Battlefront two with you guys, we'll play Battlefront to us.
You kinda tickles bad they are again, Man, that's just that game
got a big glow. You think did some of the happened because they rebooted
it and it was different? Is that why some people are indignant? And
like, I think it's part of it down on the old ones. Racer's
got a big lead with thirty one votes, so I think it's probably gonna
be racer. Hell yeah, my racer homies, guess thank you chat like
no one vote. Oh it was good when it came out and Catchet Mikes
has Battlefort two is such a boober game. Yeah, how that's about a
boomer game. By the way, battle Front two is a boomer game now
because there's like a whole new Battlefront that came out and like a boer game
like this when things were better when I was a kid. It's the most
boomer take you can possibly have, you know what? You know? Oh,
this is gonna get a bet Oh I'm gonna getting really mad, you
know what? Like was that Lord of the Riggs game that those people made
that no one liked? Kind of liked that game at Okay? Who there
we go mount more of Star Wars games, Knights of the Old Republic,
Rogue Leader, Jedi Outcasts, and Star Wars Episode one Racer. These are
probably my four favorite Star Wars games. Like absolutely, so, I guite
I'm happy with it, that's for sure. It isn't he If Mikey ain't
happy, nobody's happy. Family said. That's what we also say here.
Now, I'm shocked that people are way more upset about Battlefront than even like
x Wing. I thought x Wing would be the problem. Xwing actually is
boomer and these here old kids, So yeah, actual boomers will get mad
at no type fire Jesse's are right, none of you are going to tell
me these are any of these are bad games, so no, of course,
not any thing. These are all very iconic in terms of Star Wars.
Um Let's yeah, Nights of the Republic is yeah, I mean,
and they're like a lot of them are like different eras, right because like
rogue Leaders, kind of original trilogy, I guess, Jedi Outcasts, Yeah,
Jediocast is like a sig story. We forgot to include a singul trilogy
game, you know, swoops. Actually any of those except kind of Battlefront
two. Yeah, kind of that's weird. What a weird thing that they
messed up so bad that there weren't like a ton. I mean they're making
a ton now, but in hand weird? All right, one more time
next to the other Republic rogue Leader, Jedi Outcast, and your Roosevelt of
the week Star Wars episode one race here there you go, everybody, Thank
you for your input, uh and go go fun. Battle Front two is
what I'll say, Yeah, go to hell. Thanks you for watching a
good at it. People are getting more and more mad at us as these
I don't much for us. Go on and I love it. I know
me too. It's one of my favorite things. All right, Uh,
what we'd like? You good to go right into what we've been playing.
Did you even read the podcast producers write anything? Did you read any of
that? Oh? They did, and I didn't. I'm sorry, buddy,
Sean did do that? Well, you know what? My bad.
I didn't put it up, so I forgot about it. That's that's how
it goes. Sometimes everyone understands what Jeffy's like. Is there if a bunch
of people say out of front two and there, I'm still not gonna put
it on the list. I mean, could I could reculd read some of
it? Now, that's fine? All right, sure, let's let's do
that and then we'll do the super Chance and then we'll do what we've been
playing. All right? Let me yeah, so I either serve time,
We're still time, jeff It's it's right. Here's like Jeremy Biff says,
Jedi Phone Order and Star Wars Connect Lego, Star Wars Discar. Do people
are people joking about Star Wars Connect? No? Because it has that iconic
consolo song that we I thought everyone got really mad about that. I see
a lot of most people now know it's a joke. Lanny Cool Diick Denver
says Rogue Leader on Gink. You still looks good to this day. I
agree with that. Tiers of mcbask of the mcbasketball, says Nicer Republican.
That was one racer, so there's actually a surprisingly large amount of epso one
racer, so that's pretty I mean, it really crushed in that pulse,
so I'm like not surprised. Now, Jedi Wolf, this man, Mike,
you really ignored og Battlefront. Why do we listen to them? It's
incredible. J Jay Cheryl says Star Wars Yoda stories the my sleeper of Star
Wars games. But in all serious seriousness, the Dark Forces Jedda Night series
has always been the pinnacle Star Wars games for me. Bringing Star Wars into
an FPS and then adding let's saber battles and force abilities as a series progress
brought the world of Star Wars a life for me as a kid. It
is fun how that series progress from being a peer first perscuator by the end
being a pure lightsaber game with really no guns as far as I could remember.
We should put the Yoda Tomagotchi up there. I really like that.
When I was a kid, I had a tomagotchi that was just Yoda and
he pooped and I had to clean it up. Jedi or Jedia Will five
says jediphone. Order has to be on there. It was the Arkham Asylum
moment for Star Wars. That necessarily agree with that, because the whole thing
of Parkham Assigned was the Arkham Asylum moment because we had decades of bad Batman
games until then. Really, there were plenty of good Star Wars games before
that. I mean, it's it's it's similar to darkhamsign when that the book
sort of three D Metroid Vanyas sheer Miro says, this is the episode nine
of lists. Um Oh Musubi says Star Wars shots the Empire for the simple
reason that it was the first Star Wars game to less experience the battle of
half and three D. Actually, I think Super Empire Strikes Back has a
Mode seven half level, so that kind of counts right. Yeah, definitely.
Wow. Bob says he missed up. He scuffed it up for a
reason. Jeff at the narrating was all according to the plan. Wow.
Whatever, the CPS says, I sense a great disturbance in the force,
the dark side of nostalgia clouds. Everything was six out of ten at best
Boomer Games. The only good part of the Chafts of the Empire was the
first level Dark Forces was a mid doom clone coat or two was the cyber
Puck twenty seventy seven of the today these art that games you're looking for,
we didn't pick any of those games. I am surprised. Like even here
there's a little like it's pretty split between Jedi outcasts and Jedi Academy. That
seems I feel like we hit something of a larger debate here with that.
But tons of people saying Coultre episode one racer is showing up actually quite a
lot, which is good to see. You all have pretty good taste.
Actually, I like all of you a fud SEC did say Chelsea Empire for
the first twoish hours only since I can never get past IG eighty eight.
That was a tough, a tough boss. Two minutes ago, Turbishwan said
Battlefront two. Weirdly, that's weird. You need to do that. That
still tickles you are so clearly on the same page in the heart like somebody,
you guys talking about it, you didn't see. I definitely remember.
People are like, oh yeah, I play that game a lot. And
even then there was like kind of I don't know, it was a little
bit of a guilty pleasure, it felt like, but okay, maybe not.
I guess. Yeah. Now people like that was a game of the
year. I'm like, I was there. No, it wasn't No.
One game of the year centered it. Nobody talked about it like that.
The Bud Sachs says, A shadows the Empire for the first two shours,
and I'm like, yeah, I'll put the first two hours just a second
ago. Sorry, I'm yeah, ignored you. I was trying to actually
find this page. I would put the first two show up there before whatever
the hell game they're talking Battlefront two. There we go, Okay, you
might there I was I'm thirty eight. Oh wait, I'm thirty six.
How old am I was? That's how old I am? I don't know
how old I am? H Mike, do we have any super chance?
There's probably super chants that relate to this as well, so you want to
get to those. Yeah, let's see here now. B Travian says,
balls are stored in my mouth. Excuse me, wait a second. Okay,
he space. He didn't say my mouth. He said balls are stored
at the mouth. Sorry about that trap. It doesn't have to be his.
Oh my god? Why do people listen to this show to yell at
us about Battlefront two, the most popular game of two thousand and five?
The Unturned Wolf says, is Matt Booty good at his job? I say,
not really. I mean, I don't do performance reviews over there.
I honestly have no idea. It seems like, I'll say, what I've
heard is it's not like he's a person has some grand vision or anything.
But maybe that's not his job either, So I don't know. Let's see
here now. Georgie says, always second before that, we had funky Monk
says, where's the next gen version of Minecraft? At yeah? Good point?
Remember when they were going to do like that, They're gonna do the
HD Minecraft and then they canceled that after years or whatever, and then they're
like, now we're gonna do the ray tracing one, and they actually did
release that, But then they've been promising a next gen Minecraft for a long
time too, I think, and they never put it out. It's weird.
I don't know why they do that. Georgie says, like, Plague
Tail your question mark, Starfield has thirty and forty fps, question mark.
Something's a little bit lost here. But I think he's trying to say,
you know, Plaquetail came out thirty aps, right, Um, so maybe
it's like, maybe, oh, Starfield came two, Plaquetail was Plague Tail.
Some people like that game. We sure have moved on from that already,
though, Huh yeah, I mean some people are like really into it,
but um it was also some people are really into Battlefront two apparent,
Jeff, and neither of them are our first party mix Xbox games that would
have deserved to have more resources part into it. So yeah. Uh Tango
Ray says, just got my tickets for a w allwin Fellas. I can't
wait. I'm taking my dad and uncle with me to London for the show.
Time to learn about the British No, now I wonder where he's from.
Hey, have fun. I was at the first all in in Chicago
what feels like forever ago. Now, it was a great time. You're
gonna be at that giant soccer state and what wimbley wimbley not Wimbledon. Not
Wimbledon, that's a that's a tennis that's a tennis place. Yeah, so
hey have a lot of fun ten ten goals. Says also Jeff More iron
Man Game News. Please dear lord Man, I haven't thought about that game
in a while. Yeah, I mean it's just still pretty early on.
That's just the reality. But I'll see what I can dig up. Gerriotegado
says, do you think we ever see cow and Crewe in a Star Wars
movie? It would be too hard, Like that is just an actor who
has been digitized to be Cow, Like he could just play that character in
something. The problem is, like I haven't Beatenjy Survivor. I assume there's
going to be a third game also, so they kind of need to be
a bit nebulous still because they don't want to write the game creators in a
corner with anything by having them appear in something else. Yeah, for sure.
El Gregg says, what did Fall in Order get on Metacritic? It's
like a it's oddly low. It's like a seventy eight or seventy nine.
Yeah, that sounds and that was definitely deemed for performance and bugs. Yeah,
I'm not being like in like for being a front soft sort of loan
and not not the best one of those. Like it's got a lot of
stuff going against the critical review period. For sure, I still love it.
Ed Kivin says, does this episode counts as a holiday podcast? Yes?
Yes, yep, so you can. You can write it off on
your taxes. I don't know if that's what Jeff I think, Pennis to
go outside. How about we take one more break and then we're gonna take
one more break everybody. When we come back, we will talk about what
we've been playing. Be right back. We're back and we've been playing games.
We talked a little bit about Red Fall. I haven't played much more
since we've talked on Tuesday, but just to bring it here real quick,
it's not very good. I don't like it. I'm not going to play
much more, but I don't think Mike, Yeah, there's like I almost
have a morbid curiosity. There's almost like a man that I really disliked that
as much as I did, because it is this thing where like even when
I see people say it's fine, I almost do a double take and I'm
not trying to come out there anybody specific or if you like the game,
that's fine. You know. It's like at that point in me though,
it's like, man, if this isn't below acceptable, I don't know it
is. It's kind of where I am with it. Yeah, it was.
I kind of want to understand it more because of that. Right,
if this isn't a two star or lower game than there is, probably aren't
very many of those ever gonna at least at this like triple A level,
right exactly, Yes, um, yeah, so yeah, I might play
small player on UPF tomorrow. I mean that continues to be the plan.
We'll see. So I guess I will be playing a little bit more of
it, but maybe ILL cut back. I'll be like, yeah, I
guess it's fine multiplayer even then, I expect that to be. I played
in a multiplayer Atennant Hope. It kind of made things worse because the difficulty
than it seemed to scale, so, like the fights lasted even shorter,
so there's even less to do. Like sometimes my brothers would just fire the
guns three times and all the enemies would be dead and I didn't get to
do anything. And that's the only thing to really do in the game is
to fight fight things. So oh yeah, that's the only percent the only
thing to do. Yep, what I could see. Um, then I
started Jet Or Red and start, but I've been continuing Star Wars Jet Survivor.
I really, I'm really liking it. I'm still pretty early in the
game. I'm definitely in that first third that people that many people talk about,
Oh you know, it gets going way more after that first third.
I'm in that first third and I'm love but I'm have no issue. I'm
exploring stuff. I have heard that one of the recommendations people give you is
to push through that that that critical path early on and don't do as much
exploring because you're going to come up to a lot of doors that are you
know, ability locked, and you're gonna have to get those abilities to actually
get past them. So there's kind of not too much point to explore early
on. Although I'm still doing something that's a classic Metroidvania thing where it is
sometimes better to do the critical path till almost the end and then like right
before you fight the final bus, then go back everywhere and get all the
stuff. Now that you know you have everything. I think I will probably
do something pretty pretty swear here. I started it last night and got to
play for a few hours. How you liking it, I'm liking it a
lot. I think some of them like additional acreability, maneuverability. That stuff
feels well, really good. The game does look gorgeous a lot. I
like that opening chorus on section just because it is so dense. It looks
really good. It is kind of like that, it's like that promise of
that what thirteen thirteen game or whatever. A little bit. Yeah, I
mean it's literally the corres On Underground. I'm like, oh wow, this
is like what we always thought that game might look like, and here it
is. It's real and it does look really good. I am a little
dismayed by some of the performance stuff. Sure what are you playing on PlayStation
five? And I thought there was a patch and I like, there is
sure it was like up to dates and even I was still seeing a lot
of drops sometime. I feel like I noticed the framin us more after the
patch un performance, So that could be you know, placebo. There could
be a million things there. But if I had, if you had to
like put a good in my hands to say it was it better or worse.
I think it's worse now, so who knows. Yeah, And it
is that thing like these games look so good now that when something does happen,
like your AI companion like starts walking into like a wall, like sticks
out even more than it did back in the day in some world. Wait,
it just little things like you know, there's a lot of we're transitioning
between gameplay to a story sequence, and it doesn't do that seamlessly like an
uncharted man, right, and especially because like if you're running in performance mode,
those sequences which are in engine cutsceneans, they're still gonna like drop down
to like twenty four frames per second, and that is darting weird looking,
that's weird when you see all the same stuff just a second ago, it's
you know, forty five to sixty frames per second, right, So I
don't think that was the right choice. But like that's that's basically all the
stuff I don't like. Everything else is really fun. Uh, you know,
these characters are great. I like this whole kind of home base area
you have outside of the ship, like that cantina. I think that's a
lot of fun. This sort of characters that populate that area. There's kind
of a bit of a like a little early twist with some stuff happening that
I wasn't expecting that sneatum. Hey like a fun little thing. That cosmetic
shop. And when I say cosmetic shop, I don't mean like spend real
money. I mean, yeah, you can buy some closest stuff. And
one of them is very clearly just dash Render's outfit, and the other one,
I'm pretty sure it's like a cow qatarn it's fired outfit. So that's
really cool. That made me really happy to see. Yeah, there's there's
a lot of stuff like that in this game, and there's been a lot
of customization and it's um and you can make look you can make cal Cass
just looked real dumb. I'm a big fan of that. So I'm gonna
do a lot of that. Yeah, Like I can't quite make him look
done because I'm too much of a of a what no fun fanboy, That's
what they always say about me, Like I so wanted to look cool,
but I'll make him look like that shred and dark. That's neat. Yeah,
that is neat, And maybe it's just the style is in too.
Um, I'm totally gonna give them the mallet the second I get it,
Mike, that's what I'm see. I'm the I got them allet. And
I was like, nope, so I'm the opposite of you. I got
to check it out. If there's a part where some sink, like it's
quicksand. Did you get to a quicksand area that sounds familiar. Yeah,
you could only kind of gone over them and pass them behind something. And
there was a chest I think that had them allet there. I'll check it
out. Yeah. I was like, no, I'm not putting this on.
I think I got the only thing I did. I am kind of
blamed with that stuff in general. Like it's like, here's all the different
ways you can customize your lightsaber, and I'm like, yeah, it looks
fine right now. Well, I'm kind of a lightsaber. I guess I
haven't unlocked a ton of stuff in the lightsaber. But there's not like there's
you know, ten options per opponent or whatever it is. You like,
the lightsabers in five pieces or so, and each of those pieces can be
one of one of ten things, and you know all the pieces can match
U stuff. Yeah, it's it's nice. That's nice. Thing they're doing.
I churched the color of like the lightsabers. Sure I'll change that.
That's a big deal. Say they were like BD eight thoughs like here's like
the fifteen different lakes or BDA, like he looks fine right now. There's
a part of me it's like, I mean, I think an artist designed
b D eight and they probably like know about like design philosophy and like the
color wheel and something. They probably already picked what they thought would be the
best colors for him. I'm gonna listen to them. Yeah, I get
what you mean for sure. I guess I'm glad that the options are there
and that you can easily ignore them, Like it's nice to just ignore them
if you want. BD eight b D one one yeah, yeah, whatever
you think of BB eight NBA bad way forgive me these two adorable droids with
that name start would be and then what's the what's the apex uh nipex Titan
Fall two B two I'll be two. Yeah, I think that's right.
How a lot of bees? Yeah? Um yeah. I like doing.
I like building my garden on top of the cantina. I think I've started
finding yet, I've been getting all these seeds. I didn't know what I
was doing with those yet, so that's exciting. There's the fish tank in
there, and I'm like, I think I got my I think I'm about
to get my first fish. I think I'm starting to meet that guy that
gives you that that does the fishing for you, and so I gonna take
that back to the fish tank. I can't wait to do that. I
really like actually going back to the cantina regularly and talking to the people I've
met on my adventures who are now just hanging out in there, and it's
getting more populated, and every conversation I really passed up the mallet. You
stupid it. You're never gonna get that mallet. I have it, and
I don't even want it. I threw it away. You crave that mallet,
and you'll never have it. I'm gonna get it. I'm gonna go
right there and get it as soon as we're done talking. You'll never be
able to find it. Nothing can help you, especially that the ter day
I might have already gotten I just didn't notice because then but we'll see.
Um, yeah, I don't know. I'm really enjoying it. That cantina
is so Lively and Quinn. It made me um red Fall has got a
fire department that is kind of like a similar concept in it fucking sucks compared
to their It is a joke, and it's like, man, this is
the Jedi Survivor. Like it's like it's doing. It's so good that I
me Jeff Grubb and stop him stopping to talk to almost every single person every
chance every time I return there, and it's I'm really enjoying it because one
of the acting is really good, the writing is really good. The characters
are very interesting. They look phenomenal. A lot of them have like you
know something are like architectures. The fancy alien who who is kind of prissy
but he's got a good attitude about it, like he like is also a
little bit self deprecating and he jokes with cal in a really interesting way.
And then there's the cool clearly bounty hunter lady and the corner being all ericorn
about it and stuff with her hat over her eyes and that's fucking cool.
It can't wait to interact with her. And m Turgel is you know this
filled with anxieties and neurosis and always freaking out out about everything. And it's
just fun to go hear where he's like flipping out about now. So yeah,
I'm way into this game. And again I'm still in that part where
the story hasn't fully picked up, although I'm kind of into like, oh
man, they're this interesting character and stuff's happening there. I remember him from
the trailer, what's going on? So yeah, I'm fully bought in.
I'm super happy with it so far. Yeah, I'm a lot of fun.
I'm excited to play more. I hope they do posh things up.
I mean, you know, I don't. I kind of don't want to
give them a pass on it. And I know something that seems like that
when I just talk about good it is it came out too early. It
could have used more time. It should not have come out this rough ish.
It's a lot more forgivable when the game is clearly good, and that's
the that's the big difference here. But it is still this worrisome thing where
like these I get it, these games seem harder than ever to make,
and you're already probably delaying them at least once or twice. It's hard to
pull the trigger on that third delay. But man, this game might have
been able to use it. It's um it does feel like a game that
is one hundred and thirty one hundred and fifty gigabytes in terms of the detail,
and when you're running through that world, it's noticeable and that that I
think it helps to accept some of it to a certain extent. But you're
right, uh. I think the good news is most people have heard it,
and if it's something you know it's gonna bother you, just wait.
Just what. You can either get on a discount or they'll fix it one
or the other, and either one's a good option. But if you do
think you could look past it, you're gonna be able to look past it,
because it's just true. There's a good game there, and you're gonna
find ways to get to the good game. I did have. The biggest
thing I encountered was I was sliding down one of those muddy hills and I
got stuck down there, and I'm like, why am I stuck? And
I'm like, you know what, I bet something didn't load And it took
me like three minutes, and I just I reloaded the save and put me
right back there, and then suddenly there was a mount I could get on
and I could climb up the muddy hill. It's like, Okay, the
game's broken. That's people, normal people who aren't fucking video game pilled like
I am, are going to get to that and they're just gonna get very
frustrated. Yeah, they're gonna be They're gonna be very annoyed. And I
don't way this confidence. And then whenever you're stuck at all, you're gonna
wonder, am I actually stuck? Or is the game broken? And that's
that is the kind of stuff. That's the kind stuff that can be a
real problem for a game like this. And so yeah, just wait,
that's just wait, that's totally fine that they should have put out a game
that worked better. There's a part of me that wishes I almost just waited,
like I waited for that first patches. Why I finally started it,
and I am kind of like, well, I want to kind of place
before Zelda. It's a part of me it's like, like, what come
on, just wait two months until you know this game's probably in a really
good spot. But oh well, I'm playing out and I am still having
fun. I'll get through it. Anything else, Mike, I think we
did a show. Hey Jeff, next week, episode three hundred of Game
Mess decides if you what do we do? Can believe it? I bet
even our most artist fans on here have probably only seen the last one hundred
episodes we did for a while before anyone cared. Don't go back and watch
the old ones. You're fine. They're terrible, super racist. Early on,
it was a big problem, embarrassing. Yeah, Jeff just wouldn't stop
with his nine to eleven jokes. We constant. Yeah, it's awkward.
Yeah, it was weird because it was like it was two thousand and two
when this podcast started. So right afterward, Um, yeah, go ahead.
I don't know exactly what we're gonna do. We'll see because I know
you're gonna be coming back from a chip like that day, like that morning
or something. I'll be back Wednesday. I'll be back Wednesday, so Thursday
for this show. I should be good. But that means I won't have
a lot of time planned stuff. Yeah. The very least we decide things.
I think we should decide what is the best video game? Okay,
okay, yeah, here we go. Okay, there we go. Yeah,
we're gonna decide it. People love when we decide things. They have
complete faith in us. They elected us as their leaders. I hope they
still yell at us that it should be battle that would rule. Actually,
please keep it up, everybody, um and then Tuesday though, last than
ten dogs. I will not be here for that mix. Got to figure
something else out. I'll find somebody, all right. Sorry, ask Reggie
if he's not in jail for that murder yet. Yeah, I mean,
listen, they're never gonna take that man live. He's he's got a certain
set of skills. Mike, where can people find you on the internet?
Find me on Twitter and twitch at toll co Toe Jeff and I, uh,
there's a stuff on Giant Bomb. There's a there's a voicemailt dump truck.
I don't know if our Star Wars Blake Club is up yet, but
that should be up in a little bit. That was a silly, silly
time. We didn't even talk of that. Yeah, we played Bachelds of
Tears. Cossie somebody in chat was a stand for Jedi power Battles, and
you know, the game's okay, that's fine, whatever, it's fine.
I could see liking it a lot at the time. I like Star Wars
Demolition more and that's probably not considered a good game. Probably not. It
was good. I think it was like really middling when they reviewed it.
I'm on a website called giant bomb dot com. We have a lot of
fun over there. We didn't want to hear the music, Jeff only I
can't. I'm on a cyite called giant bomb dot com. Uh, I'm
viewed because I have the stupid keyboard thing it with the game of Browser.
It's my fault. Whatever, um where we do fun, stupid video game
stop. We basically have video games and then we find ways to have fun
with them. No matter what. It's a good time. You do a
lot of good stuff. We try to cover new video games as much as
we can. Got a podcast, Giant Bomb Cast. It's pretty good,
guys. You tune into all that, uh and then yeah, less than
ten Dogs on Tuesdays. Mike has his Twitched account. I got mine twitched
at TV slash Jeff Grub. I haven't been on it a while, mostly
because I've been working NonStop of so much other stuff, and then my wife
was out of town. But now I think I'm gonna get back on here
pretty soon. Maybe maybe try to finish that that minish cap and then get
on as Yeah. Well we'll be back with another new episode next week.
Mike, you got any plans for the weekend. I hope not. I
hope I can just chill out. May play some Star Wars. Yeah,
that would back. I can't. I can't. I got to travel on
Sunday. So shit, there you go. There's last of the skunky beer.
I'm done with it forever. Oh that's it. That's Oh you did
get in a second one. Okay, congratulations, there we go. Thank
god, man, lesson learned. I really wish you would have just burnt
it out. It upset me that you drank. Thank you, Thank you,
Thank you everybody by everybody. Bet your point for everybody. Everybody.
We wear the clowns. Can I go pee now? Yeah, copee,
you're free to get you. Thank you Mike. Wow. Okay, Man,
I black out halfway through those ads. Um, here we are,
are you guys? What are we getting Rachel from Other's day? We'll figure
something out. Okay, I'll get you. Um. I got lots of
lots of links on the internet for Golden Girls stuff. Get you something,
get you something good. You probably have most of those things. Okay,
let's see how's everybody doing. They require a video proof of the hair pulling.
That's fair. I don't think that's going to happen. I've used these
things in delicate places and have not had tugs or nicks. The AD's done.
We don't have to talk about man skipped anymore. Okay, good,
Because I technically a NIVA employee here, I still feel the need to reside
after that segway. I thought that's fair. I okay, well, you
can just turn your paper what. I'll let you know if I accept your
resignation or not. Roger says, these savings are turning my south ball into
a north ball. That's pretty good. That's pretty good. Thanks for the
super chats everybody. Thanks for everybody who's watching. We are going to get
back to the show very soon. Appreciate everyone tuneing in. You can always
tell when there's like anxiety and people like, man, I wonder what I
want to know what's going on because you get everyone's tune and in. Everyone
wants to hear what's happening with Redfall. The Phil Spencer interview, UH tell
you what. We're gonna have a lot to talk about as we get closer
summer game fests, so everyone keep tuning in every week and lessen than the
ten Dogs on Tuesdays. We really appreciate that. Tell you, well,
I'm glad I told him Mike to start doing those thumb nails. Yeah.
I think they I think they've helped. That's uh, that's definitely. It
was fun to record that video where he just randomly grabs a frame from that
and it's really good. Um, I need to finish that Psycho Nuts to
uh a documentary. I've watched a bunch of episodes, but it's it's really
long, but it's incredible. I want to keep watching it. All right,
I got the last of the Skunky Gang links from Dour General. Everyone's
like, give a thumbs. I hit a like button for Mike Skunky Beers,
all right, he's league. That's our third podcast around here, A
last those Skunky Beers. Don't don't get your beer from Dollard General. Do
you get a lot of things with Dollard General. You can't find Jeff,
I can't find No, I can't find it is they might actually be uh
porco Rosa, I guess no, I mean, where did he send it
like weeks ago. I don't know. He should have just put it in
the chat. All right, all night, donnie. Let's see here.
No, I'm sorry, I don't see it. You know. I have
my open DMS. I'm looking in the uh message requests, and I'm looking
in my other one. I have a message for four hours ago, and
then a couple on May third, a couple of May first. Okay,
I don't see it. Sorry, there you going? Then? I can't
cannot help you. Not your fault. I started a stream I can watch
on here. Oh right right here, this game? Yeah, you know
that thing? Right? Okay, what you're trying doing here? Let's we're
gonna get set up for the game right now. Everybody again, if you
have any super chats, do you want to say? You will get to
all your questions, so don't worry about that while we get set up over
here. Let me bring up that and then the game. Here's that?
Oh I do this, There we go. I think we're just gonna move
Mikey down and then we'll be good. Can't keep me down there? It
is what to make you a new shadow Man game? Yeah? Did you
see that? What the hell I was playing? I played because uh,
Night five didn't remains of that first shout my game, I'm like playing,
I was playing it on my scene deck. I guess is all right.
They're making a new shadow Man. Wow, No wonder that we talked.
That happened during game this morning, so I talked about it briefly. They're
still gonna have that weird like voodoo Irish snake friend. I wonder if there'll
be more culturally sensitive this time. It's something like that as a weird game.
It's like a Weird two greater knockoff, but with more like nineties comic
book spawn energy. The profile ros I'll take, Okay, I think I
would. I mean, I know what I'm parco Rosso looks like, you
know what. We're gonna get back to the show. I'm sorry, we
can't. This show cannot be a break of ten minutes where I'm looking for
a DM. Everybody. I'm sorry. Uh, are you guys good to
start back up? Yeah? Okay, Jeff, you might have to crank
the volume on the streams music. Who can say, uh, crank the
ball? Okay? I think it's probably Discord one. Yeah, I got
it one hundred now, so we'll should you think you should be allowed like
crank crank, all right, Max, everybody, it's on Sean, all
right, blow out your ears, that's what I'm me. Everyone's sorry about
that, right, let's hear this. Let's let's get back into it.
I'm just gonna fix mix camera over here and then we'll be good. Why
is it like? That's why is your face cut off? What happened?
Oh? It's because I have a game? Still there we go? Okay,
all right, let me fix Mic a little bit more because he's a
bit short and he hates that they called me a bit short. I was
like, no, wait, he said bit short. That makes more sense.
All right, here we go. What up, that's the wrong button.
Let's see, all right? Why are you doing making people mad about
Star Wars battle Front two five? Okay? Ken? Is there is there
a way to play? That? Was it? Like? Probably? You
probably was just they probably didn't have servers on PlayStation two? This sixty four
players a lot? What what would you put on there? Christian? Oh,
Bottle Front two? Oh my god, I'm I can't okay, I
can't, you fucking kids? I mean it is a great game. You
put outcasts well, well, all the games up. There are good games,
come on, they are all good. Yeah, well racers like,
uh, it's good, but it's not good good. Okay, So let's
see. Is anyone going to tell me how to place a battle Front two?
I mean, I'm not so much gonna look it up. It makes
me. Yeah, I wish I had like two more hours without power on
my house so I couldn't like look at this now. Is that what happened
when you get a brown out or something? Yeah? Yes, like fourteen
out of sixteen hours that was fun battle. I guess the sixteen hours,
I don't know. They cut it when I was sleeping and I woke up
and I have no power, and then when I came back from work there's
still no power, and the like twenty minutes ago. There's a story from
twenty seventeen about Battlefront two had its servers come back online. It's on Steam,
but controls need heavily need to be heavily remapped. Yeah, but the
PC version wasn't. There's probably mods for it, right, you get moded
for sure, you can do crimes. I need to post this to Twitter
so people can yet us there too. Oh you say, oh, I
should we go let's get that and get your ass all right. I gotta
okay, I see what you did there, the Rise of Skywalker of Mount
Rushmore. Okay, thank you. Show it to the people if you want.
I don't have to do that. I can there you go, there
you go, everybody. I always sort of get a access to the rundown.
It's like, all right, I can't do that. Yeah I did
that chat that for you. Your monster un deleted. I just gotta take
a screenshot. And I don't want to confuse people and think I'm renouncing my
own list. I want them to feel right when they get mad at me.
And now you can read. You can bring it back if you want.
No, I don't. I don't assist too much work. Yeah,
yes, he's playing. I don't know what happened to somebody? What happened?
I don't know. It's four congratulations. Let's fucking go. Took a
nice nap to our nap. That's good. It's like, fuck it.
I there's nothing I snow electricity. They were least dead to me. All
right, let's see yuh see people coming here shouting. If they just helped
me on Twitter, it's still in bad front right now. Thank you,
Matt. Yeah, Les, they play red Fall tomorrow on upf We are
probably gonna play some red Fall, but we're also gonna play but Punch Simulator
or whatever the fuck it's called. Yo, that new shit on the on
fornight. It's pretty good. Yeah, I think we Yeah, we have
to play for Night tomorrow. I don't know. We have some ideas about
that. We're also gonna we're gonna be Yeah, we might do something like
that. We'll see, Okay, Revenge of the Seth and all that,
Revenge of the Fifth excuse me, um, you still have about rush fourth
thing up By the way, Christian put a thing up there and it was
funny and so I showed everybody I did a bit. Don't worry about it,
he did. Okay, I'm gonna bring us back in