1 00:00:26,359 --> 00:00:29,640 It's the Internet. You're busy, Let's do this. Welcome to the Game 2 00:00:29,679 --> 00:00:33,399 mess Decides Podcast. This is the podcast where we decide everything about the world 3 00:00:33,439 --> 00:00:36,200 of games, so you never have to think for yourself. I'm your host, 4 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:42,200 Jeff grob With me is Mike ob One Manati. In today's episode, 5 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:47,320 red Fall and the fallout from Red Fall, and then Star Wars. Also 6 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:50,000 we're doing some Star Wars stuff. We're gonna We're gonna do a mount rushmore 7 00:00:50,079 --> 00:00:54,280 Star Wars games. There's a Benji Bop quiz where we try to get closest 8 00:00:54,280 --> 00:00:58,200 to the Messy pen by guessing metacritic scores. Who knows what kinds of games 9 00:00:58,200 --> 00:01:02,640 will be guessing the metacritics were totally a special episode, So I'm gonna guess 10 00:01:02,679 --> 00:01:04,319 there's Star Wars games that'll be fun first of them. Mike, how are 11 00:01:04,359 --> 00:01:10,640 you doing. I'm pretty good. Yeah, you know, work's been hopping 12 00:01:10,680 --> 00:01:15,040 off. It's like a little stressful trying to get all this stuff organized for 13 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:19,840 summer exacting. But also I'm also excited I'm gonna get to hang with you. 14 00:01:19,159 --> 00:01:23,280 I'm gonna get to meet a lot of people in person for the first 15 00:01:23,359 --> 00:01:26,599 time. Um, so that that's that's gonna be a lot of fun. 16 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:30,519 I'm looking forward to that. I'm also going to maybe be able to sneak 17 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:34,159 off and do some fun things myself. Maybe I'll go and finally check out 18 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:37,239 that and intend the world. I don't know, hopefully I'll have a chance 19 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:38,799 to do that. Yeah, I think you I think should make that happen. 20 00:01:38,799 --> 00:01:42,239 That'd be fun. Um. Yeah, I've been doing the same thing, 21 00:01:42,359 --> 00:01:47,159 answering a lot of emails. Keep getting more emails. Um, there 22 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:49,439 are some companies that are going to be there, and they all say it's 23 00:01:49,439 --> 00:01:51,359 confidential, so we can't like say who's going to be there, so it's 24 00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:53,439 it's probably like public. But it's like, oh yeah, cool, I'm 25 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:56,879 gonna I want to see those games. It's like I will say, I'm 26 00:01:56,920 --> 00:01:59,359 excited. Yeah, me too. There's like seems like there's gonna be some 27 00:01:59,439 --> 00:02:01,040 cool stuff that there's some gonna be some cool stuff. So yeah, I'm 28 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:05,640 making I'm I'm booking appointments for the entire team, And like, I hope 29 00:02:05,680 --> 00:02:07,479 that makes you, hope that makes you laugh because you know how good I 30 00:02:07,599 --> 00:02:12,639 am at planning stuff. Why don't they give you that job? And here's 31 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:15,039 my new philosophy in life, if you want something done, you have to 32 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:17,919 just do it yourself. And I don't want to ask anyone else to do 33 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:22,439 stuff anymore. I'm like just gonna do it myself. And everyone's like, 34 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:25,159 you know, I'm like chance, like super busy editing everything. Uh. 35 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:30,639 Dan Is is either often in a bunch of meetings trying to make stuff happen, 36 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:34,599 or he is uh, he's like right now he's off because he's traveling. 37 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:37,360 UM like, oh, you know what, I just let's get this 38 00:02:37,439 --> 00:02:39,280 done, make sure that we're good to go back. Lars also often in 39 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:42,520 meetings, so I'm handling. It's like, you know what, I'm just 40 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:46,120 gonna start putting stuff in time slots and I will figure out who's gonna go 41 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:49,159 later. And we're actually gonna get some help from Bailey and Emma too. 42 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:51,840 It's been fun to be get them in there and help us out. So 43 00:02:52,319 --> 00:02:55,240 look it forward to it. I've begun like really booking the couch for for 44 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:59,520 gonna you know, giant bomb at night during summer game test. That is 45 00:02:59,800 --> 00:03:02,879 That's the thing I'm probably the most excited about because it's just I think it's 46 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:06,319 very cool to have a bunch of people that want to come and hang out 47 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:08,120 and talk about video games. Well, all being in the same city for 48 00:03:08,319 --> 00:03:10,960 a good reason. It's like, hey, it seems like we can make 49 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:14,479 some magic happen. So looking forward to a lot of it. But you're 50 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:16,479 right, it's pretty stressful. Yeah, you know what. I'm looking forward 51 00:03:16,479 --> 00:03:21,560 to you though, No, you have to tell meeting about the show. 52 00:03:21,719 --> 00:03:23,960 I was. I'm in the middle of writing the tweet, right, God 53 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:25,599 damn it. I knew I should have finished it. Mount Rushmore, Star 54 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:32,280 Wars Games. That's what you get. That's what you get. Red Fall. 55 00:03:32,479 --> 00:03:36,080 Yeah, there we go, people, I get whether talking about Red 56 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:38,680 Fall. Wow, I can't believe we're talking about Red Fall. That doesn't 57 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:43,199 seem like an important conversation. Like there's literally a Phil Spencer interview yesterday about 58 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:45,879 it. Like what are we supposed to do yesterday? It went up today 59 00:03:46,159 --> 00:03:49,199 Like yeah, it's literally right, Yeah, they they talk, Yes, 60 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:51,120 exactly, that's right. I hope I don't have to do that. I 61 00:03:51,159 --> 00:03:53,039 hope at least that kills the whole This isn't a problem, Like this is 62 00:03:53,199 --> 00:04:00,240 not that bad. He did an Oprah style apology interview. Yep, maybe 63 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:03,120 that's overselling it. But you know, but yeah, I watched that. 64 00:04:03,199 --> 00:04:05,800 Hey, by the way, like big ups to you know, our funds. 65 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:12,080 A kind of funny, especially the x cast crew over there with Mike 66 00:04:12,159 --> 00:04:15,439 and Parison and Gary. They did a really good job talking to Phil Spencer 67 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:20,240 having a really candid talk about Redfall and kind of the larger state of Xbox 68 00:04:20,439 --> 00:04:24,480 right now. I got to watch that whole thing and it was a really 69 00:04:24,519 --> 00:04:27,839 good watch. Actually included it in our show notes. Everybody the link to 70 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:30,800 that, since we're gonna be talking about so much, so please give that 71 00:04:30,279 --> 00:04:33,000 view, give it a like, let them know they're doing a good work 72 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:38,120 over there. Kind of funny timing and that was pretty fratuitous. They really 73 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:41,839 worked out where they could tackle a lot of the questions people have. We're 74 00:04:41,879 --> 00:04:44,519 going to talk about a lot of it here first, though. Thank you 75 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:46,480 for joining us. You can get more from Mike and me by joining the 76 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:48,240 discord at games dot Net. Give us a good rating. Wherever you're listening. 77 00:04:48,439 --> 00:04:51,439 Hit that like button on YouTube helps people find the show. You want 78 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:54,959 to ask a question, you could drop a super chat during the show here 79 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:58,160 on YouTube. Will answer all those before the end of the show. Thanks 80 00:04:58,199 --> 00:05:00,000 to carlos An Who's Insane in the Rain music go on YouTube for the use 81 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:03,560 of our theme songs. 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I'll probably post that 91 00:05:36,519 --> 00:05:41,360 up in the feed here. That's probably ready Sean, right YouTube, it's 92 00:05:41,399 --> 00:05:44,680 on YouTube. I'll put it in the feed. Um, all right, 93 00:05:44,959 --> 00:05:47,839 Mike, let's get into these big topics, and really it is kind of 94 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:50,600 just one big topic. There's probably some other stuff that happen this week. 95 00:05:50,879 --> 00:05:54,279 But what I found out is once you start talking about this, you kind 96 00:05:54,279 --> 00:05:57,079 of you go down this hole pretty fast and you fall down fascinating. I 97 00:05:57,199 --> 00:06:00,800 kind of guest stop thinking about it. Yes, Uh, let's start here. 98 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:02,759 Red Fall is pretty bad. Red Fall came out, Uh, it 99 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:06,240 is pretty bad. Um. I can't remember do we talk about what we 100 00:06:06,319 --> 00:06:10,480 were we able to talk about it last week or was it came out on 101 00:06:10,519 --> 00:06:13,439 Monday? We talked about it on Tuesday. We just kind of forced it 102 00:06:13,519 --> 00:06:16,800 into NT ten Dogs because I couldn't not talk about it after playing it. 103 00:06:17,399 --> 00:06:19,959 Um, And you know, I don't want to repeat that stuff. It 104 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:23,199 is bad. I don't need to kind of pick at that wound, I 105 00:06:23,279 --> 00:06:27,720 guess. But you know, I don't think there was there's anything about it 106 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:29,319 that I can really throw up and say, well, at least this is 107 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:32,279 good, or at least this is salvageable. It's rough all around. So 108 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:35,639 anyhow, right, we talked a bit about on Tuesday. Everyone by now 109 00:06:35,759 --> 00:06:39,519 knows that most people find this game to be pretty bad. I think it's 110 00:06:39,759 --> 00:06:43,480 Um, I think it's pretty miserable to play. Uh. And the stuff, 111 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:46,800 even the stuff that is okay about it is it runs in the stuff 112 00:06:46,079 --> 00:06:49,079 that isn't that is really bad, and it makes that stuff feel bad. 113 00:06:49,079 --> 00:06:51,560 As well, and the shooting. Some of the guns are actually straight up 114 00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:56,600 bad as well. That burst rifle, it was like so confusing to me. 115 00:06:56,639 --> 00:07:00,480 I didn't understand how to even use it. Uh. Anyway, yesterday 116 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:02,240 I'm kind of Funny, Phil went to your Phil went on kind of Funny 117 00:07:02,279 --> 00:07:05,759 yesterday. The episode went out today on the x Cast. He did a 118 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:09,040 big interview where he addressed a lot of this stuff, and one of the 119 00:07:09,079 --> 00:07:12,600 first things he said was he apologized for the game. I got some quotes 120 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:15,160 here. I'll kind of I'll throw into what we're doing. They'll kount discuss 121 00:07:15,199 --> 00:07:17,319 some of these things. There's nothing that's more difficult for me than disappointing the 122 00:07:17,480 --> 00:07:19,639 Xbox community. I've been a part of it for a long time. I 123 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:23,439 obviously work work on Xbox on the head of business. I have a lot 124 00:07:23,439 --> 00:07:25,720 of friends and get a lot of feedback, and just to kind of watch 125 00:07:25,759 --> 00:07:29,519 the community lose confidence be disappointed, I'm disappointed. I'm upset with myself. 126 00:07:29,959 --> 00:07:31,839 We do mock reviews for every game that we launched, and this is double 127 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:35,600 digits lower than where we thought we would be with this game through those reviews. 128 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:39,639 That's one of the disappointing things. We would never strive to launch a 129 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:42,439 game that we thought was going to review in the low sixties. It's not 130 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:45,079 part of our goal. And then they pointed ot He's like, you know, 131 00:07:45,079 --> 00:07:46,480 if you look at our games from last year, like they've been reviewing 132 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:53,000 better and better and then this happens, and I mean, okay, he 133 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:55,800 apologized. I think that that's not too surprised, and we'll get into some 134 00:07:55,839 --> 00:07:57,879 of the other stuff he said about, like what's going to happen with Red 135 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:01,120 Full. I'm not gonna ask if you buy the apology, but do you 136 00:08:01,199 --> 00:08:03,759 buy this thing about the mock reviews? Does that sound right like they didn't 137 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:07,480 fully know that this was going to be a low sixty. It's hard to 138 00:08:07,519 --> 00:08:09,199 say, because even if they're off by double digits, that could still be 139 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:13,040 a game in the mid seventies, which isn't great, especially like, hey, 140 00:08:13,199 --> 00:08:16,720 whatever, that's okay. Maybe normally with the sort of expectation of this 141 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:24,279 being Microsoft's first real first party triple A release since like what Ghost Wire, 142 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:28,199 Tokyo or Halo like one of those Kyo I guess does count, yes, 143 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:33,039 but it wasn't you know that big of a deal. Also also kind of 144 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:37,200 missed itself, just the context, it's bad. But even man, I 145 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:39,080 would like to read those because, honestly, Jeff, like even where it 146 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:43,759 is right now on a Metacritic, like in the low sixties on Xbox, 147 00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:48,320 I think, like if high fifties on PC, even that seems almost a 148 00:08:48,399 --> 00:08:52,200 little high to me, Like that's almost kind of being inflated by And there's 149 00:08:52,200 --> 00:08:54,559 always some people who do come out they like the game. That's fine, 150 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:56,039 it's not about you know, I'm not trying to attack any of them. 151 00:08:56,600 --> 00:09:01,000 But I am surprised that there wasn't even a lower general consensus, which is 152 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:07,720 how much about this game? Uh is one performs badly and the two doesn't 153 00:09:07,759 --> 00:09:11,759 feel good to play. I would love to see those mock reviews, because 154 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:16,519 you know, I right like, I would love to see what they held 155 00:09:16,639 --> 00:09:18,919 up as well. This is the good part of the game that people are 156 00:09:18,039 --> 00:09:22,159 going to like, and this is why it's going to be a seventy a 157 00:09:22,279 --> 00:09:24,879 seventy. And that's what I assume he's saying, is that they thought it 158 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:28,240 was going to land at seventies. It seems optimistic. I have a I 159 00:09:28,279 --> 00:09:31,799 have a friend who's a mock reviewer, and they they've played a lot of 160 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:33,200 the games that are coming out right around now. They're no longer a mock 161 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:35,879 reviewer. They played a lot of the games kind of that are coming out 162 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:39,320 now, and I can't remember this was one of them, but they they're 163 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:43,720 very good at like spotting like, no, this game is rough, it's 164 00:09:43,799 --> 00:09:46,039 really bad, and then and I'm like, oh, it's probably not going 165 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:46,960 to be that bad and it comes out and like all the things they said 166 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:50,840 were right, and it's like I tend to be like, oh, some 167 00:09:50,879 --> 00:09:52,679 of these mock reviewers really know what they're doing. Uh, and you know, 168 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:58,879 these consultants are really on point. I think though that um that it's 169 00:09:58,039 --> 00:10:01,960 it's totally possible game democrop Us are coming in mid seventies in that range, 170 00:10:03,039 --> 00:10:07,360 maybe even high seventies, and they probably thought the game that I think it 171 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:11,200 was probably pretty easy for most of people in Microsoft to believe because of this 172 00:10:11,279 --> 00:10:13,919 other point I'm going to jump down here a little bit. They just were 173 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:16,440 not that involved with this game, it sounds like, and that's by Phil's 174 00:10:16,440 --> 00:10:20,120 own emission, So he was saying that Microsoft wasn't there for Redfall and Arcane 175 00:10:20,159 --> 00:10:24,720 and Harvey, who was the lead director on the game, Harvey Smith, 176 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:28,000 who's had who's done a lot of really good immerse of sims. He said, 177 00:10:28,159 --> 00:10:31,679 when we acquire studios, there are games that are in development, and 178 00:10:31,759 --> 00:10:35,320 then there are things that are really early early in development or not even conceived 179 00:10:35,399 --> 00:10:37,879 yet. I think we need to improve and engaging with games midway through production 180 00:10:37,879 --> 00:10:41,720 when they become part of Xbox. This is what I've heard. If you 181 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:45,000 read it, I think some of Jazz is reporting he's heard the similar thing. 182 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:48,200 And L's basically just saying it. This game existed when Xbox took it 183 00:10:48,279 --> 00:10:50,720 over. Xbox sort of looked at it and went like, oh, okay, 184 00:10:52,120 --> 00:10:56,120 and then did not engage with it in a way beyond providing funding to 185 00:10:56,320 --> 00:11:00,200 ensure that it would that it could meet it's it's expert meat, you know, 186 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:03,480 whatever expectations, or meet it even its potential or anything like that. 187 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:07,840 Um, and so it's like, okay, they were pretty hands off. 188 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:11,840 And I think that in itself is a problem. And he in this interview, 189 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:13,960 he basically addresses every single point you might bring up. He's like, 190 00:11:15,080 --> 00:11:18,200 yeah, that is a problem, we're rethinking that. But I mean, 191 00:11:18,399 --> 00:11:22,120 what do you think about that, Mike, It's you know, you hear 192 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:26,440 you first hear about this hands off approach, and it almost sounds admirable, 193 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:31,080 right, like that is great, just let the studios do their thing stuff. 194 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:33,919 Yeah, yeah, but yeah, you gotta have some kind of pulse 195 00:11:35,039 --> 00:11:37,320 on things. And I mean, you know, of course you want to 196 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:41,320 let studios do their thing, but it is shocking that there's not at least 197 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:45,919 a little oversight to kind of make sure things are going well or that you're 198 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:50,559 going to release a game that reflects well on Xbox because that you know, 199 00:11:50,639 --> 00:11:52,679 we are already there. It's kind of funny how fast that happened, where 200 00:11:52,759 --> 00:11:58,120 Bethesa games are just Xbox games that is just so heavily associated with that brand. 201 00:11:58,279 --> 00:12:01,080 And maybe there was a time when they first acquired the studio and they 202 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:05,840 like, here's everything bethesas working on, and they see Red Fall and they're 203 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:07,360 like, yeah, okay, whatever, that's not that exciting. Maybe they 204 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:13,600 knew then that that would be like their one big release in this giant span 205 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:16,000 of time. Maybe right then they would have invested more in it or looked 206 00:12:16,039 --> 00:12:22,200 out for it more. But yeah, exactly just reflects poorly on the brand. 207 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:24,679 You got to keep a better eye on these things. You can't let 208 00:12:24,759 --> 00:12:28,159 something, especially your first seventy dollars game. And I hate to keep harping 209 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:33,519 on this, but just imagine if instead they just positioned High Fi Rush like 210 00:12:33,679 --> 00:12:37,480 it was a Triple A game, because I think the only difference there is 211 00:12:37,519 --> 00:12:41,919 actually perception is actually just not having marketing, just dropping it out of no 212 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:46,559 work, saying it's a thirty dollar game, because like I think anybody in 213 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:52,240 their right mind would struggle to explain to me why Red Fall Call costs more 214 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:56,440 than twice as much as High Fi Rush. Yeah, and it's um I 215 00:12:56,559 --> 00:13:00,960 think you know you mentioned that thing about like this the reception changes when they 216 00:13:01,039 --> 00:13:03,519 become an Xbox and that happened to meet pretty much immediately Bethesda, and it 217 00:13:03,639 --> 00:13:07,559 was definitely part of the perception with this game. And I think it's maybe 218 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:11,799 where some of the disconnect between the reality versus democ refuse, where the MOC 219 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:13,000 refusers, like, you know, if this is a game coming from a 220 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:16,559 Bethesda in the past, it would get around this and people would not be 221 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:20,200 like having such high expectations and the high the expectations were way higher. And 222 00:13:20,480 --> 00:13:24,799 again Spencer himself said exactly that we didn't do a good job early on and 223 00:13:24,879 --> 00:13:28,240 engaging our King Austin to really help them understand what it meant to be part 224 00:13:28,279 --> 00:13:31,960 of Xbox and part of first party and use some of our internal processes to 225 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:35,360 help them move along that journey even faster. I mean, you know, 226 00:13:35,399 --> 00:13:39,720 he does go on to just to say like, people have higher expectations of 227 00:13:39,799 --> 00:13:45,879 first party games, and then but they know that that they have higher expectations 228 00:13:45,919 --> 00:13:48,799 of first party games, and then on top of then they don't do the 229 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:52,120 stuff to ensure that it gets that love that a first party game is going 230 00:13:52,159 --> 00:13:56,000 to need to stand up to scrutiny. I mean that is there's your problem 231 00:13:56,080 --> 00:13:58,200 right there. I feel like that's it. Fix that, and then you're 232 00:13:58,240 --> 00:14:01,559 being up much better place. Now. The obvious question make is, well, 233 00:14:01,600 --> 00:14:05,080 what's what's the next big thing? Starfield? Right? Is Starfield going 234 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:09,279 to start for these big problems? He was quick to point out Starfield we 235 00:14:09,399 --> 00:14:13,039 did get involved with early on. We have been holding its hand, we 236 00:14:13,200 --> 00:14:15,759 have kind of like cared for that as a first party title. It's like, 237 00:14:15,879 --> 00:14:18,600 man, that's great. Why the fuck didn't you do that with Red 238 00:14:18,639 --> 00:14:20,519 Full And again what I heard is they just didn't care. They saw a 239 00:14:20,559 --> 00:14:22,679 redfall early on and they weren't thrilled by it, and they sort of were 240 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:26,919 like, that's we're not worried. We're just not going to worry about them. 241 00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:28,320 I'm like, I feel like you probably you kind of can't do that 242 00:14:28,519 --> 00:14:31,399 with a game that you were putting out under the Microsoft Gaming label. Just 243 00:14:31,519 --> 00:14:33,600 cancel it right then, then, you know, and that's I know, 244 00:14:33,759 --> 00:14:35,960 that's hard, that's rough, and that might not have made you a lot 245 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:39,080 of friends. And maybe maybe they're they're afraid of looking like the bad guy 246 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:41,799 at that point. I don't know, but if you're not going to help 247 00:14:41,840 --> 00:14:45,120 see that thing through, if you're not going to sort of shepherd it, 248 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:48,279 and you know, look at a Psychonauts too, which was something that kind 249 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:52,960 of fell into their laps and wasn't even going to be an exclusive for them, 250 00:14:52,159 --> 00:14:56,360 right it's coming out on other platforms. They were they were able to 251 00:14:56,399 --> 00:14:58,440 help give them resources, they were able to help them do things like play 252 00:14:58,559 --> 00:15:01,120 Boss f It's in that when it seems like that might be something that was 253 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:03,159 going to be off the table because they were going to run out of money, 254 00:15:03,240 --> 00:15:07,080 and it comes out and it's great, and even though it's on other 255 00:15:07,159 --> 00:15:11,480 systems, it reflects well on Xbox and this is just the opposite of that 256 00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:16,000 Starfield, Uh. I mean there was a bit there and I know I 257 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:18,639 said in the past, I think that game's got to be sixty fps, 258 00:15:18,679 --> 00:15:22,000 and people are like, no, in no way, it's a it's a 259 00:15:22,279 --> 00:15:26,759 you know, Bethesda game from Todd Howard and those games are never sixty fps. 260 00:15:28,399 --> 00:15:31,639 That it feels like that was then this is now Jeff, you know, 261 00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:33,000 Mike asked him, he didn't ask him, is it going to be 262 00:15:33,039 --> 00:15:37,320 sixty as he says, is the messaging going to be clear about whether thirty 263 00:15:37,399 --> 00:15:41,639 or fps or sixty fps? And he goes, yes, I but you 264 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:48,240 know, and he and Phil Spencer specifically talks about specifically how he's upset at 265 00:15:48,279 --> 00:15:52,519 how they presented Redfall at sixty fps and then it came in at thirty fs. 266 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:56,360 So that's a problem. But it still feels like it's very high on 267 00:15:56,519 --> 00:16:03,240 phils of mind that thirty fps makes your platform look bad. Yeah, and 268 00:16:03,279 --> 00:16:07,120 if they are holding the hand of this game so much, isn't that one 269 00:16:07,120 --> 00:16:08,159 of the big things? Now? You know, with Red Fall, it's 270 00:16:08,159 --> 00:16:11,639 an unreal engine game, and it's like you have a lot of really good 271 00:16:11,759 --> 00:16:15,480 unreal engine developers, you have m you have the coalition. He literally said, 272 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:18,080 we should have sent the coalition to help. He specifically said that, 273 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:21,519 right, And it's like, apparently they came in too late, is what 274 00:16:21,639 --> 00:16:23,360 happened? You know, I finished that interview after I did game this morning 275 00:16:23,519 --> 00:16:26,159 day he did say that, and it's like, man, that's uh, 276 00:16:26,559 --> 00:16:30,799 that's something's like early on Unreal Engine. You need to help people spot those 277 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:34,159 problems immediately because it's going to take time. You all know this, and 278 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:37,879 it's uh, and you know that's again it's the frustrating thing about Red Fall, 279 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:42,000 and it's you hope that these things won't like won't be a problem going 280 00:16:42,120 --> 00:16:45,919 forward. And based on what he's saying about Starfield, the expectations are again 281 00:16:47,159 --> 00:16:49,200 that these won't be a problem. Like they've they've raised the bar immediately back 282 00:16:49,279 --> 00:16:52,480 up, like oh, you know, you might have all been like, 283 00:16:52,559 --> 00:16:53,919 Okay, maybe Microsoft is kind of a mess, and they don't know. 284 00:16:55,039 --> 00:16:56,440 It's like, no, Starfield, it's not a mess, So okay, 285 00:16:56,519 --> 00:16:59,799 all right, well you can you better deliver it better? Actually, you 286 00:16:59,879 --> 00:17:03,039 know what it maybe it better be sixty frames per second actually, or at 287 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:06,400 least have an option to get there on console it's like, Okay, are 288 00:17:06,519 --> 00:17:07,519 you sure you want to be doing that? And that's what they're doing. 289 00:17:07,680 --> 00:17:11,359 All right, Fine, well we'll see. But like rud it's gonna get 290 00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:15,319 judged harshly. Again, I think Starfield always destined to get judged pretty harshly. 291 00:17:15,599 --> 00:17:19,079 But it's a Microsoft first party game. It's gonna be pretty it's gonna 292 00:17:19,079 --> 00:17:22,079 be pretty tough for that one, and it's gonna have a hard time. 293 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:25,480 Um. One last thing about the mock reviews before I forget, and I 294 00:17:25,839 --> 00:17:29,559 didn't ask around about it a little bit, and people mentioned that when mock 295 00:17:29,599 --> 00:17:33,039 reviews happen, they get the most stable build available at the time, and 296 00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:37,640 then they also get a list of known problems, and those problems the mock 297 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:41,680 reviewers usually operate under the assumption they will be fixed by launch. And it's 298 00:17:41,720 --> 00:17:44,680 like some of the things that are just fundamentally wrong with the game could have 299 00:17:44,759 --> 00:17:48,680 easily been mistaken for bugs that would get fixed. For example, bad AI 300 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:52,519 and empty worlds and stuff like that. You're like, oh, even judge 301 00:17:52,559 --> 00:17:55,960 a game assuming it has good AI, that's just such a different thing it, 302 00:17:56,400 --> 00:17:59,200 man, even with some of that stuff working, I just don't know. 303 00:17:59,480 --> 00:18:00,440 I just don't know about Redfall, I think, yeah, I think 304 00:18:00,440 --> 00:18:03,880 I think it must have got a little extra benefit of the doubt. But 305 00:18:03,079 --> 00:18:07,200 um, yeah, that's uh yeah, yeah, I agree, because there's 306 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:10,519 so much repetitive content in there that yeah, it's hard to say. Um, 307 00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:14,359 all right, let's see where are we at. They did. He 308 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:18,839 did say like, okay, so red Fall all these problems and here are 309 00:18:18,039 --> 00:18:22,640 and he gave some examples of how they're addressing each of those problems that anyone 310 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:25,440 might bring up. He did push back against one thing where he's like, 311 00:18:25,519 --> 00:18:27,880 hey, people say you have these teams that are good at making one thing, 312 00:18:29,279 --> 00:18:30,759 you should have to make more of that one thing. And he's like, 313 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:34,880 well, he doesn't believe in that personally, um. And he points 314 00:18:34,920 --> 00:18:38,279 to examples of you know, the evil within studio making hot hi fi rush 315 00:18:38,759 --> 00:18:44,119 and absidy and making grounded things like that and the and um, there's some 316 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:48,960 other examples. He was like, but if with Arcane, we're gonna want 317 00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:51,640 them to keep wanting to do what they want to do, and if it's 318 00:18:51,680 --> 00:18:53,400 something different than what they've done before, we're going to keep enabling them. 319 00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:59,000 And I think that's probably still right. You, um, you don't want 320 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:03,079 to pigeonhole these studios. I think that's actually kind of how you burn through 321 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:06,599 these studios pretty quickly. Just something Microsoft's been guilty of in the past. 322 00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:08,279 Like you want to, like say, you want to be an enticing place 323 00:19:08,319 --> 00:19:11,240 to work, keeping the talent happy, and one of the ways to do 324 00:19:11,359 --> 00:19:14,640 that is, hey, no, you actually can be your creative selves here. 325 00:19:15,119 --> 00:19:17,680 It's just it is something like, oh, okay, if that happens, 326 00:19:17,799 --> 00:19:19,400 then all that guidance that we just got done talking about needs to be 327 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:23,279 part of the process. And you got to imagine that's going to be a 328 00:19:23,359 --> 00:19:26,839 big change in Microsoft, because it just hasn't been the case so far. 329 00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:30,000 Yeah. No, sure, I mean I think that's absolutely true. I 330 00:19:30,039 --> 00:19:33,960 don't know too many reasonable people who would really disagree with that. Yeah, 331 00:19:33,319 --> 00:19:37,359 I guess, you know, maybe I counter is Redfall really that different and 332 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:41,640 all? I mean, it's a first person shooter with RBG elements, and 333 00:19:41,039 --> 00:19:47,400 you know, it's Borderlands lighten in was going to have these abversives and elements, 334 00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:49,160 right, They told us it was going to be more like their other 335 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:53,039 games than it kind of wasn't just wasn't. There's another expectation problem there, 336 00:19:53,160 --> 00:19:56,680 right, You know that when people said, hey, is this you know, 337 00:19:56,160 --> 00:20:00,240 what is this like? Is this? Is this like a Far Cry? 338 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:02,680 Is it like left for Dead? At first, the message was just 339 00:20:03,039 --> 00:20:06,640 it's not left for Dead, And maybe it should have been much clearer about 340 00:20:07,079 --> 00:20:11,319 it's Far Cry three that style, maybe a little bit of border Lands. 341 00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:15,160 I suppose the messaging was always a little hard on this. The messaging was 342 00:20:15,519 --> 00:20:21,839 here's a three minute CG trailer of people cracking jokes and fighting vampires, and 343 00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:23,519 then by you know, by when you played the game, the cutscenes are 344 00:20:23,559 --> 00:20:29,119 actually going to be like still slide shows. Gosh, I'm sorry. I 345 00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:30,880 could just keep going on about all the things that sort of bugged me about. 346 00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:36,240 Yeah, I was. I was kind of playing on my steam deck 347 00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:38,559 and that gave me some like, oh, maybe some of this stuff is 348 00:20:38,559 --> 00:20:41,240 like this because it's running kind of crappy on the steam deck. And then 349 00:20:41,319 --> 00:20:45,480 I booted up on the PC and I'm like, now I think I don't 350 00:20:45,519 --> 00:20:47,680 like this at all. And then I talked to you and you were like, 351 00:20:48,039 --> 00:20:49,359 hey, Jeff, I hate this. I'm like, yeah, all 352 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:52,200 right, yeah, it's kind of all clicking the place for me too. 353 00:20:52,279 --> 00:20:56,319 I think I hate this too. I don't hate it I so strongly dislike 354 00:20:56,359 --> 00:21:00,200 him. Let's see, here's okay. So it's okay we shift the topics 355 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:03,319 to something a little bit more broad from from this interview, Mike, or 356 00:21:03,319 --> 00:21:04,759 you still have anything else to say about Red Fall? And what when we 357 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:08,559 talked about Red Fall? Well, I guess just this idea and he's committed 358 00:21:08,599 --> 00:21:11,920 to fixing it. Still it sounds like right, right, yes, that's 359 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:15,039 right, says that you know, our carcane is going to uh, they're 360 00:21:15,079 --> 00:21:18,440 gonna gonna you know, they're gonna make patches, they're gonna try to do 361 00:21:18,559 --> 00:21:22,119 good here, and like it's honorable, and of course I guess you gotta 362 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:26,920 do something. I just don't know at one if that that juice is going 363 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:30,720 to be worth the squeeze and how long are you gonna be stuck squeezing? 364 00:21:30,839 --> 00:21:33,880 Man? Yeah, I mean I yeah, I think I've said a bunch 365 00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:36,079 of times I don't think it's worth it. I ran that poll on game 366 00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:37,240 this morning, is the majority of people don't don't think it's worth it. 367 00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:41,160 But that could change quickly if it becomes obvious that it is worth it. 368 00:21:41,559 --> 00:21:47,400 But right standing here, right now, I just don't. It doesn't seem 369 00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:51,440 like it's ever going to actually get to that point. Um, And I 370 00:21:51,599 --> 00:21:55,519 think going quiet for a while and coming out with something new would be just 371 00:21:55,759 --> 00:21:59,279 as I just would be even better than going quiet for a little bit and 372 00:21:59,319 --> 00:22:00,559 then be like, here there's the big update to Red. I mean, 373 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:04,039 who's gonna want to go and give that another world? It is? It 374 00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:07,440 doesn't It never even really had the promise of a no Man's sky right where 375 00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:10,599 it's like, oh man, no man sky that works the way they said 376 00:22:10,599 --> 00:22:12,200 it would work. That would be incredible. And I hope what is the 377 00:22:12,279 --> 00:22:17,240 promise that exactly? I don't know. I guess the promises that you're gonna 378 00:22:17,279 --> 00:22:21,079 go fight zombies in like an open world and vampires. Yeah, I guess 379 00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:22,359 what. I'm not zombies, vampires, whatever the hell, Like that's what 380 00:22:22,519 --> 00:22:26,480 you do. I guess that is there. You do, in fact do 381 00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:29,680 those things. It's just not very fun or interesting. Yeah, in the 382 00:22:29,759 --> 00:22:32,839 Epico world says they they sold a season past, they have to do some 383 00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:34,079 stuff. I mean, if that's if he's all he's saying is we're going 384 00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:37,640 to meet the obligations of our season pass, which doesn't sound like what he's 385 00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:40,359 saying is a season pass. If if that's what he's saying, it's like 386 00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:42,680 we're meeting the obligations of the season passed, and then he basically is saying 387 00:22:42,759 --> 00:22:45,039 what we're saying, do the season pass and then move on? If that's 388 00:22:45,079 --> 00:22:48,960 what? Because is that where this idea as I've heard people say, like, 389 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:52,559 Oh, they're gonna release two more characters, and that's the last thing 390 00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:56,160 that game needs to be better is two more playable characters that is so far 391 00:22:56,319 --> 00:23:02,400 removed and the kind of content that that game needs to look any better or 392 00:23:02,519 --> 00:23:07,400 play any better. Yeah, I think it's I think they need to make 393 00:23:07,599 --> 00:23:11,039 each of those characters that are already in the game fun in the first place. 394 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:14,519 Like that's where they're at right now, and that just seems so far. 395 00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:19,079 Yeah, we were repeating ourselves. Okay, So switching up a little 396 00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:23,640 bit, he talked about sort of a philosophical argument that he hears a lot 397 00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:29,319 where it just make great games and then the Xbox can compete with PlayStation terms 398 00:23:29,319 --> 00:23:32,799 of console sales, and he says that he doesn't necessarily think that's the case, 399 00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:37,319 so basically, just making great games won't change Xbox console market share. 400 00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:41,920 While claiming that the console is the core of the Xbox brand. Microsoft's head 401 00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:45,200 of gaming has reiterated that the company needs to focus on the wider gaming market 402 00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:48,440 if it's to be successful. Spencer was asked if the Xbox has taken its 403 00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:52,680 eye off the console market by focusing too much on PC and response, Spencers 404 00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:56,839 said Microsoft would be wrong to think that just building great console titles could help 405 00:23:56,880 --> 00:24:00,359 it overtake Sony and Nintendo in terms of hard ourselves. Instead, it has 406 00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:06,200 chosen to pursue a different strategy to the Japanese companies, one focused on fulfilling 407 00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:08,839 developers visions of enabling customers to play their games on any screen. I said, 408 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:14,160 We're not in the business of out consoling Sony or consoling Nintendo. There 409 00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:17,079 isn't really a great solution or win for us, and I know that we'll 410 00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:21,559 upset a ton of people. And it's reasoning for this essentially is I see 411 00:24:21,599 --> 00:24:25,279 commentary that if you just built great games, everything would turn around. It's 412 00:24:25,319 --> 00:24:26,720 just not true that if we go off and build great games, then all 413 00:24:26,759 --> 00:24:30,680 of a sudden you're going to see a console share shift in some dramatic way. 414 00:24:32,079 --> 00:24:34,359 We lost the worst generation to lose in the Xbox One generation, where 415 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:37,839 everybody built their digital library of games. So when you go in, you're 416 00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:41,799 building on Xbox. We want our Xbox Xbox community to feel awesome. But 417 00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:45,680 this idea that if we just focused more on great games on our console, 418 00:24:45,759 --> 00:24:48,599 that somehow we're going to win the console race, I think that doesn't really 419 00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:52,519 lay into the reality of most people. So what he's basically arguing is during 420 00:24:52,519 --> 00:24:57,039 the PS four generation, people chosen PS four and then they bought a lot 421 00:24:57,079 --> 00:25:00,200 of games on the PS four and a lot of those games carry over, 422 00:25:00,519 --> 00:25:06,119 some of those games being live service games like Roadblocks and Fortnite, that are 423 00:25:06,519 --> 00:25:08,440 games those people still play today and they played it on PS four. So 424 00:25:08,519 --> 00:25:11,559 now they're playing on their PS five because that's where all their stuff is, 425 00:25:11,599 --> 00:25:15,319 that's where their friends are, and even when there's some cross progression, the 426 00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:18,559 momentum's already there. So getting them to sell their PS five because Starfield is 427 00:25:18,559 --> 00:25:22,119 an eleven out of ten an example that he gives. If that's if it's 428 00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:23,359 eleven out of ten, they're not going to go sell their PS five. 429 00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:27,359 Mike, I've thoughts about this, But when you hear that, what do 430 00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:33,640 you think there's a lot to unpack from that. Yeah, because snowbike. 431 00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:37,920 Mike was almost was basically you know, it's basically asking him if their second 432 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:44,319 guessing their overall philosophy, this kind of play anywhere philosophy and saying, hey, 433 00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:48,160 maybe you guys need to retreat back to consoles and get that chip sorted 434 00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:52,319 a bit if those best basically do you know, kind of fought back to 435 00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:56,079 no, we really believe in you know, piece, we gotta be make 436 00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:59,720 sure stuff is available on PC. He was rocking that a ssrorog in the 437 00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:03,759 background, clearly making a statement with that on his shelf that portable devices like 438 00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:07,839 that are going to be important in the future and the whole like, oh, 439 00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:10,480 great games don't change anything. I don't want to read too much into 440 00:26:10,519 --> 00:26:11,680 that. It's not like he's saying we don't need to make great games. 441 00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:15,200 Of course, they need to make great games or else. No one's going 442 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:18,920 to play on the Xbox platform no matter where it is. I guess my 443 00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:23,359 biggest takeaway from that is, man, they're really taking that last generation hard. 444 00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:27,680 That that's something he still brings up. I think he's right to say 445 00:26:27,759 --> 00:26:33,240 that. Getting someone to change their mind from the you know, fifty to 446 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:37,359 five hundred games, you know, some people really invested heavily last generation, 447 00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:41,640 and the generations have a continuity that they never had before. There was there 448 00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:45,920 was always a great reset. This is not, this is not this is 449 00:26:45,079 --> 00:26:48,720 complete opposite everything. All of that momentum is still there for each console. 450 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:52,839 So I think he's right to identify that the person who has already invested in 451 00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:56,759 the PlayStation ecosystem is unlikely to change the religions in such a way that they 452 00:26:56,880 --> 00:27:03,640 drop PlayStation for Xbox. My thinking here is, though, this shouldn't even 453 00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:07,079 really be a concern, because, of course not you. What you need 454 00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:11,279 to be doing is focusing on making great games to make the Xbox as enticing 455 00:27:11,319 --> 00:27:15,119 as as possible. And yeah, I think he's making a specific argument against 456 00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:19,680 what Snowbike Mike was suggesting there for sure, But I think it's important for 457 00:27:19,799 --> 00:27:25,279 him to be distinctive about Okay, yeah, sure, but here's here is 458 00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:27,599 all the reasons we need to be making great games. And yeah, sure, 459 00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:30,599 we're not going to get someone to sell their PS five, but we 460 00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:33,599 could get someone to buy an Xbox Series X or S for the first time 461 00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:37,119 ever. If Starfield is that eleven out of ten, and then they have 462 00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:41,240 multiple consoles and they're not going to build their whole library there, and that's 463 00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:44,200 going to be an uphill battle. But maybe they do get game pass like 464 00:27:44,319 --> 00:27:47,240 that doesn't seem like such a tough thing to pull off. So I kind 465 00:27:47,279 --> 00:27:49,640 of it sounds defeatus. And I don't know if that's what he intended it 466 00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:52,279 to sound like. Probably not, but it does sound that way. It 467 00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:55,839 did sound a little defeatus, and that's why I struck me. And look, 468 00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:59,119 it's not a great week for him, and you know, you do 469 00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:03,079 have to give him some respect for going on kind of funny and talking about 470 00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:06,960 this and talking about it honestly for forty minutes. Not everything he says is 471 00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:08,400 going to be a great answer. I think this is one he wishes he 472 00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:15,000 could take back and work differently, especially this the great games quote of it, 473 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:18,279 because it sounds like oh, because I mean, if we really follow 474 00:28:18,319 --> 00:28:21,400 that logic, it's like, well, we were never gonna be able to 475 00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:23,640 compeople PlayStations, so why bother, right, And that can't be that. 476 00:28:23,759 --> 00:28:26,839 Look, people see that, well then they're going to buy a PlayStation if 477 00:28:26,839 --> 00:28:30,839 they think that you're not up for competing with them. And look, I 478 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:36,279 know that PlayStation one that last generation, they still sold a lot of Xbox 479 00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:40,240 once. There are still a lot of people in the Xbox ecosystem that have 480 00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:42,839 built their libraries on their thing. You can grow that, and you can 481 00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:48,319 you do that by making great games, by keeping them happy, or there 482 00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:51,240 are a lot of people who will get both. If I know it's not 483 00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:55,799 everybody, but there are a lot of people who will use their disposable income 484 00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:59,599 on an Xbox in addition to their PlayStation if they think there are a lot 485 00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:03,920 of good games on there that they can only play on Xbox, and if 486 00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:08,640 they coincidentally aren't into PC gaming. I guess yeah, it's um, it's 487 00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:11,640 I don't know. I want to hesitate before we like take it the completely 488 00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:15,799 way that in a way that he didn't intend. But I think you're right 489 00:29:15,839 --> 00:29:18,079 that like the way that it's framed, um, at least from a glance, 490 00:29:18,279 --> 00:29:21,680 from the way people might read the headlines, to the way that the 491 00:29:21,759 --> 00:29:25,519 pundits that he's talking about who want him want oh let's go back to cartridges 492 00:29:25,559 --> 00:29:27,160 and in the console war they are I think they are going to read it 493 00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:30,720 in such a way that it's like it feels like waving a little bit of 494 00:29:30,759 --> 00:29:33,519 the white flag, and I don't. I think he does mean it in 495 00:29:33,559 --> 00:29:37,039 a more nuanced way of we are not trying to like you said, out 496 00:29:37,079 --> 00:29:41,880 console PlayStation. We have a different strategy, and we're going to stick to 497 00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:44,880 this different strategy because we think it has long term, our long term best 498 00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:48,960 opportunity. And yeah, I think I agree with that. I just um, 499 00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:52,880 I would I would have if I were him, immediately followed that up 500 00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:56,160 with all of the reasons why it is important to keep making great games. 501 00:29:56,400 --> 00:30:00,920 Um, and the MPG on Twitter set, Yeah, thanks, Um. 502 00:30:00,119 --> 00:30:03,359 You know, our friend MVG said I don't think Xbox needs to build great 503 00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:07,200 games to win the console race. They just need to build great games. 504 00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:11,079 And Phil Spencer reply and said, well said, and true right, And 505 00:30:11,599 --> 00:30:12,880 I think, you know, I think that was just a clarification. He 506 00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:15,680 would have liked to have made that, because again, of course he's not 507 00:30:15,799 --> 00:30:18,599 saying, well, we don't need great games, so like, why bother? 508 00:30:19,039 --> 00:30:22,119 I am a little surprised that he thinks it wouldn't move the needle or 509 00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:26,000 he would say that, right. I think it's it's a game of small 510 00:30:26,079 --> 00:30:27,640 percentage movements. I think it's something we talk about a lot on the show 511 00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:32,680 where the things you can do these days are they can move the needle. 512 00:30:32,799 --> 00:30:34,519 It's going to move the needle three to five percent, and that's a there's 513 00:30:34,519 --> 00:30:37,920 a lot of money in that three to five percent if it's a really big 514 00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:44,200 impactful game. But it's not the idea of one generation going away and the 515 00:30:44,319 --> 00:30:47,200 next coming and then suddenly there's going to be a different market leader. I 516 00:30:47,279 --> 00:30:51,839 do think he's right. Those days are over. We you know, barring 517 00:30:52,119 --> 00:30:56,319 Nintendo being a complete wild card and doing something different with a switch follow up 518 00:30:56,359 --> 00:30:59,039 that isn't a switch at all, if they do something like that, and 519 00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:02,079 all this stuffs out there window. But when it comes to PlayStation, PlayStation 520 00:31:02,279 --> 00:31:04,480 is never going to give up this library of games that people have built, 521 00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:07,680 and they're never gonna They're never gonna have a reset again. It is going 522 00:31:07,799 --> 00:31:11,480 to be this, this investment that people have made is going to go with 523 00:31:11,519 --> 00:31:15,400 them for their entire lives, and Sony's going to make sure that they feel 524 00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:18,039 like they have strong ownership of that and a strong attachment of the PlayStation platform. 525 00:31:18,359 --> 00:31:21,680 And that's there's already a lot of people and those are the kinds of 526 00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:23,359 people that spend a lot of money on video games and so Microsoft does have 527 00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:26,920 a bit of a battle winning those people over. But I think I just 528 00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:30,480 think he knows this, and because that's the reason they keep selling a console. 529 00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:33,960 If you want to if you want to grow this Microsoft ecosystem and the 530 00:31:34,319 --> 00:31:38,079 near term and the immediate future through this generation, it's going to happen by 531 00:31:38,119 --> 00:31:42,240 selling Xboxes. It's not going to help happen by getting people to play on 532 00:31:42,279 --> 00:31:45,160 their phone. It's not gonna happen by the cloud gaming. I mean, 533 00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:48,799 he knows these things, and so that's why they keep selling consoles. So 534 00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:52,880 it's like, in the meantime, you kind of you have to outconnsole them, 535 00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:55,799 but you do need to make the Xbox console the best possible console it 536 00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:59,039 can be, and I think that's where they should be focusing. No, 537 00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:04,119 I think are exactly right, all right. Uh. He also says he's 538 00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:07,119 enthusiastic about the Xbox Showcase twenty twenty three. Mic He kind of, um, 539 00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:10,839 he was like listen again, he's he's very good in these interviews, 540 00:32:12,039 --> 00:32:14,680 right because I think he's, uh, there's well trained, or he's just 541 00:32:14,799 --> 00:32:16,799 naturally charismatic about these things. But the way and he comes off as really 542 00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:19,880 candid on us. You know at one point, Paris is like, hey, 543 00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:22,920 that last showcase, you guys said that all these games will be coming 544 00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:24,759 on the next show much he didn't quite make that. He stopped them like 545 00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:28,720 Phil said, no, we didn't. It's thought that we didn't quite make 546 00:32:28,759 --> 00:32:31,200 it. We didn't make it right. So he's kind of mister no excuses, 547 00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:37,640 and I find that I find that to be refreshing as always. But 548 00:32:37,759 --> 00:32:39,640 then he then he knows he knows to stop there as well, would be 549 00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:44,480 like, my talk is cheap. I've talked a lot, and and so 550 00:32:44,599 --> 00:32:47,960 when I say that I'm enthusiastic about the next Xbox Showcase, when have we 551 00:32:49,079 --> 00:32:51,640 not said that? When? When? When if people when we told people 552 00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:53,480 not to wait for the next Xbox Showcase, when that's when all things are 553 00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:57,119 going to turn around. So he and he even said like we know that 554 00:32:57,160 --> 00:33:00,160 even we show you this stuff, you're not going to really believe us as 555 00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:02,519 a red fall until you get the control in your hand. But then all 556 00:33:02,599 --> 00:33:06,640 that said, he did say that he's enthusiastic. They're going to have new 557 00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:09,359 announcements. They're going to give updates about many of the games that Paris mentioned, 558 00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:15,279 which were you know, the perfect dark about Fable Ever Wild things like 559 00:33:15,319 --> 00:33:16,720 that. He didn't say all those games would get updates, but we said 560 00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:22,079 many of them would. I don't know. I think they are. I 561 00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:27,079 think he's done a pretty good job of reframing the Xbox to the point where 562 00:33:27,079 --> 00:33:30,119 it does come back to where it was even before Red Fall, Starfield and 563 00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:32,319 this Xbox Showcase, and if both of those things go well, they kind 564 00:33:32,359 --> 00:33:35,440 of can get back on the track. At least that's how I feel. 565 00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:37,920 I don't know, what do you think? No, I think are right. 566 00:33:37,079 --> 00:33:40,480 You know, people do have short memories about these things. I mean, 567 00:33:40,519 --> 00:33:44,240 it wasn't that long ago when we were in the Leeu era of Nintendo 568 00:33:44,319 --> 00:33:47,160 and things kind of sucked over there. Jeff, it doesn't take too much 569 00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:50,839 now. It did take a lot then, it took a whole It took 570 00:33:50,839 --> 00:33:53,559 a consult launch with Breadth of the Wild to turn things around for Nintendo. 571 00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:58,359 I don't think Microsoft needs as much because the Xbox Series X is a good 572 00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:02,200 console and already is a good machine. It does really just need these better 573 00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:07,239 first party exclusives to get people excited about again. And Starfield can be that, 574 00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:13,639 it should be that, it better be that. Yeah, I agree, 575 00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:17,159 Um, I don't know any other big thoughts about this before I move 576 00:34:17,199 --> 00:34:21,159 on to the one more story before we get to our break. Yeah, 577 00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:22,599 I mean, look, you're right like all that, you know, let's 578 00:34:22,599 --> 00:34:25,000 talk of sheep. We've heard this, We've heard this a lot before from 579 00:34:25,079 --> 00:34:29,360 him. We need to see results here, and there really is no literally 580 00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:32,559 is no excuse for it. He should have made sure Redfall was going to 581 00:34:32,639 --> 00:34:37,519 be in position to succeed. He there should have been more help there. 582 00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:40,159 You know. He could have also just told our kid, you have to 583 00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:44,119 release an apology tweet and I'm not going to say anything about this, right, 584 00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:46,320 Yeah, could have been that song and dance again. So I am 585 00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:50,440 at least glad that we are getting this sort of openness about it. I 586 00:34:50,519 --> 00:34:52,360 am glad that we are getting some canned or even know, even though there's 587 00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:57,480 something like I don't know if I necessarily do trust everything I'm hearing, but 588 00:34:57,559 --> 00:35:00,760 at least a lot of this makes sense and I'm to hear him take ownership 589 00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:06,440 of it. Yeah, I'm with you on that. Uh, I continue, 590 00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:09,320 I can't help it. I continue to lake Phil Um it is I 591 00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:13,880 think that you're not one Jim Ryan Fan. I thought I'm listen. He 592 00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:16,039 doesn't come anywhere close to Jim Ryan, of course, like, come on, 593 00:35:16,119 --> 00:35:21,440 he couldn't. He couldn't shine Jim Ryan's shoes. Um, But I 594 00:35:21,519 --> 00:35:27,039 like Phil he uh, he's good in emergency situations. I think he needs 595 00:35:27,079 --> 00:35:30,639 to get better at the day to day overseeing and making sure that some lieutenants 596 00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:34,639 get hands on with these games and Satan, do you think he was distracted 597 00:35:35,039 --> 00:35:37,840 by the active vision Blizzard deal. I think that's a pretty problem. I 598 00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:40,800 think that's a pretty I think it's yeah, you know what, probably yeah, 599 00:35:42,039 --> 00:35:45,480 almost certainly. Why why why wouldn't that be a distraction? That's not 600 00:35:45,559 --> 00:35:46,920 an excuse, right, of course, it's let me know that. Yeah, 601 00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:52,840 of course it's not an excuse. But I mean his job is that 602 00:35:52,199 --> 00:35:57,000 his job is not actually going to these studios. That is someone else's job. 603 00:35:57,039 --> 00:36:00,119 And i'm you know, Matt Booty and other people's not. I never 604 00:36:00,199 --> 00:36:04,039 want to sound like I'm like, Matt Booty needs to get that is. 605 00:36:04,119 --> 00:36:06,519 I don't care. Fuck, I don't care if Mat Booty gets you know, 606 00:36:06,639 --> 00:36:07,760 it, keeps doing his job or not. But it's like, you 607 00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:09,880 know, it does feel like you know, that was Matt Booty's job. 608 00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:13,159 What where's he on all this? Can we start hearing from him? It? 609 00:36:13,159 --> 00:36:15,119 Phil's gonna let that hand because Phil's going to take responsibility. Um, 610 00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:19,239 but it's like, okay, well then you know what is the change in 611 00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:22,239 processes that you talked about? I want to hear more about that a little 612 00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:23,239 bit. You know. I know you're not going to give us like all 613 00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:28,760 your all the details, but what's going to change from from today forward? 614 00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:31,639 After what? Having thread fall? And does that mean different leadership is going 615 00:36:31,679 --> 00:36:36,519 to actually be going in there and seeing these games? We'll see all right, 616 00:36:36,599 --> 00:36:38,760 Mike, Reggie feeds me threatened to burder somebody on Twitter, and I 617 00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:42,559 love it. I love it very much. Um, wasn't me at least? 618 00:36:42,679 --> 00:36:45,639 Yeah? Not this time? Someone tweed. Someone tweeted that they m 619 00:36:46,559 --> 00:36:51,000 we're playing a pirated version of the Legends all the Tears of the Kingdom. 620 00:36:51,199 --> 00:36:53,880 Don't treat that kids, and then doing that don't do it that account. 621 00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:57,960 Apparently this twets from an account that no longer exists, so Reggie did get 622 00:36:58,039 --> 00:37:00,719 them. I guess Reggie has now deleted did this original tweet? Uh? 623 00:37:01,559 --> 00:37:06,400 Yeah, it's Feza Mesa and FSA may right. Feen's about right, Yeah, 624 00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:09,199 I was close enough. Um and then yeah, he basically said, 625 00:37:09,199 --> 00:37:12,920 I don't know what you want. What I do have a very particular set 626 00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:15,519 of scales. Blah blah. It's the taken quote the thing. It was 627 00:37:15,599 --> 00:37:19,559 funny too. I like it, screen, I mean it. I like 628 00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:22,880 that he threatened to murder in his person He'll take out Okay, come on, 629 00:37:23,159 --> 00:37:27,320 he did not threaten. Really, I mean, what is that supposed 630 00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:34,400 to say? But it's on Reggie. I'm not saying that somebody do something. 631 00:37:34,639 --> 00:37:37,840 Yeah, I just this is I love it. I legit. Take 632 00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:40,280 this is fantastic. I had a star struck moment at one E three because, 633 00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:44,039 like it was like late on the third day. I just kind of 634 00:37:44,079 --> 00:37:47,400 walking around what Westall and I just saw him of his little roller suitcase walking 635 00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:52,039 away from the Nintendo booth on his way to the airport or whatever. I 636 00:37:52,159 --> 00:37:57,400 was like, that's Reggie. He's huge, He's so cool. Uh great, 637 00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:01,480 I love Reggie. Toogie again again? No, Jim Ryan, sure 638 00:38:01,679 --> 00:38:06,000 who is? Uh Mike? Before we get to our break, maybe we 639 00:38:06,039 --> 00:38:07,639 should recentd these supertrats because I think a lot of them are related to the 640 00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:10,320 topics that we were just discussing. I figure might be good to hit those 641 00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:13,760 up before we go to the break. Well, we got a few from 642 00:38:14,159 --> 00:38:19,480 Big Jimbo Ryan here, fucking hey, let's go. Let's fuck go first 643 00:38:19,519 --> 00:38:22,599 once here ha ha ha ha ha haha. Hey, Phileas between Red Fall 644 00:38:22,679 --> 00:38:27,840 and for Spoking, we're having a mid off. I can't believe we paid 645 00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:32,719 to keep for Spoken off Xbox, but oh well, hey, I like 646 00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:37,440 for Spoken more than Red Ball for what I played of it. He also 647 00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:40,480 says, Miamoto, get in here. It would be really funny if you 648 00:38:40,559 --> 00:38:45,239 had a Nintendo last minute patch Tears of the Kingdom to be terrible. Come 649 00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:50,119 on, Shaggy, get in on this. He continue, use more, 650 00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:54,840 Meamoto, you have a chance to do the funniest thing ever in gaber history. 651 00:38:55,360 --> 00:39:00,320 You can't let the gamers down. Come on, do it or the 652 00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:07,159 game me elegend t make tears? Is the Kingdom bad for the laws and 653 00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:12,239 the laws? Yeah? I mean first spoken, it is like that did 654 00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:14,480 just happen. But hey, you can at least say, well that's square 655 00:39:14,639 --> 00:39:16,960 Enix blah blah blah. It still reflects on Sony in some way, like 656 00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:21,159 the last real one I could think of that is close to this. For 657 00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:24,599 Sony is days gone, but the context there is just so different because it's 658 00:39:24,639 --> 00:39:29,519 coming out in the middle of these games that are hitting big like God of 659 00:39:29,599 --> 00:39:31,599 War or um, you know, I forget exactly what else is in that 660 00:39:31,679 --> 00:39:37,280 timeframe, probably the First Horizon And also it was made by Ben Studio, 661 00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:40,760 who had like made you know, PSPN Vita games before that. There is 662 00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:45,320 other tranmpetitions. There is another example, and it's an example of how Sony 663 00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:49,480 handled it pretty well. Uh they were going to put out Destruction All Stars 664 00:39:49,559 --> 00:39:53,079 for seventy dollars and then they saw the game and wait, well, we 665 00:39:53,159 --> 00:40:00,840 fucking can't do that. We can't do that would be crazy. And then 666 00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:06,519 they put it on PlayStation Plus for free instead. Uh so yeah, like 667 00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:10,840 that's an example. I said, don't forget NAC How dare you don't care? 668 00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:15,039 You dare I dare you treat Knack that way? Mark? Sony deserves 669 00:40:15,199 --> 00:40:17,599 better? Oh, Sony paid for Babylon's Fall exclusivity. Well that was their 670 00:40:17,639 --> 00:40:21,760 own punishment. Yeah, okay, right, that was just like flogging themselves 671 00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:24,760 from in front of the Catholic guy Sony. The larger point is Sony is 672 00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:29,519 immune to it because they do have a steady stream of those big Triple A 673 00:40:29,679 --> 00:40:32,239 games. Yeah Fall. Yeah, all down to Red Fall being the first 674 00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:37,599 seventy dollars game, the first big game basically since Halo Infinite in Ghost Wire 675 00:40:37,599 --> 00:40:40,079 Tokyo whatever. But Ghost Wire Tokyo didn't help either. Really guess Tokyo doesn't 676 00:40:40,119 --> 00:40:45,440 really PlayStation game um super under the radar and was kind of van Yeah yeah, 677 00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:47,920 yeah, okay, I don't know the consoles. It's not really helping 678 00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:52,559 with the very specific thing of Xbox has no games um and it's so it's 679 00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:54,320 yeah, the Red Fall had all these other things it had to deal with, 680 00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:57,679 and it was not up to even be in a good game, let 681 00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:00,199 alone handling the burden of all that stuff outside of it. No Sony game 682 00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:04,280 has had to handle that burden because they do have so many pillars holding up 683 00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:07,760 the building. Exactly. Okay, next ess, sorry, bring super chats 684 00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:12,920 you nowhere. Here's from ol Grugg says, did the police save Paul Ricker 685 00:41:13,039 --> 00:41:15,519 and arrest Dan for stealing that boat and holding his father hostage on it? 686 00:41:15,599 --> 00:41:19,679 Did you see that picture? Yeah, we we have authorities chasing the man 687 00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:23,639 down right now. Hopefully we can get Dan the help he needs to stop 688 00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:28,480 doing these things that he does. Dan and his dad are so cute together. 689 00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:30,960 I literally I can't. He told me, like, they want to 690 00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:34,039 do that podcast when Dan seventy is dad's ninety, and I cannot wait. 691 00:41:34,079 --> 00:41:37,480 I think that's going to be the best podcast. They'd be incredible. Cody 692 00:41:37,559 --> 00:41:40,119 Bishop says, do you think that exclusives aren't as important to Microsoft in the 693 00:41:40,199 --> 00:41:46,320 grand scheme of their game pass slash multi device reach gamers everywhere strategy? They're 694 00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:51,360 more important? Like right, like because he's yeah, I know they're more 695 00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:54,599 important. I know for a fact they're more important because think back to the 696 00:41:54,639 --> 00:41:59,239 PlayStation four launch, it really didn't have that much. It didn't have that 697 00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:02,280 much for a couple of years. I forget when when NAC and NAC. 698 00:42:02,599 --> 00:42:08,079 I forget when when did um Um kill Zone whatever, yeah right, kill 699 00:42:08,199 --> 00:42:12,960 Zone Kingdom Fall and had Infamous second say yeah, Like the first few ones 700 00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:16,920 were not the ones, right, and then it was Block it was Blog 701 00:42:17,119 --> 00:42:21,719 the first big one, and that was more than two years into the generation. 702 00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:25,960 Uh So it's like and yet despite that, PlayStation Force sold no problem 703 00:42:27,159 --> 00:42:29,719 easy. People were like they care about the gamers. They say it right 704 00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:31,400 in their tagline it's for the gamers. Well, fucking I'm a gamer. 705 00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:37,800 That's all it took. And Microsoft meanwhile created a fucking quagmire for itself by 706 00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:40,440 all the all the kicks in its own ass from the launch yea and the 707 00:42:40,519 --> 00:42:44,800 launch events. But then they needed the exclusives to overcome that, and then 708 00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:47,039 they didn't even have those. So Microsoft needs it way more than even Sony 709 00:42:47,079 --> 00:42:51,639 does, because Sony has a cachet, a long running cache with a group 710 00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:53,440 of fans that are pretty happy with them no matter what. And then since 711 00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:57,400 then they've had game after game after game after game, and they're gonna have 712 00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:00,119 a long tail of living off that. And yet they don't have to live 713 00:43:00,159 --> 00:43:04,960 off that because they keep having good games. Yeah, I think that's exactly 714 00:43:05,119 --> 00:43:07,519 And you know, I don't want to like shift the blame to basically the 715 00:43:07,599 --> 00:43:10,400 ghost of Christmas Pass at this point on metric here, but like man, 716 00:43:10,519 --> 00:43:15,400 so much of this just goes back to that original Xbox One launch and how 717 00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:20,559 completely off the mark they were with what they were prioritizing in terms of cable 718 00:43:20,679 --> 00:43:28,519 TV and connect total wrong guesses. The tenderic says, who do you think 719 00:43:28,639 --> 00:43:31,480 made the decision for Red Fall to be the first seventy dollars game. But 720 00:43:31,599 --> 00:43:36,559 THESA or Microsoft, what do you think that decision was made internally? That 721 00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:39,159 has to be a Microsoft decision, right, I'm almost certain that's a Microsoft 722 00:43:39,199 --> 00:43:45,400 decision. They Yeah, because the Microsoft is the ones that like are making 723 00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:49,039 money decisions. So yeah, Yeah. There was an interesting thing from that 724 00:43:49,119 --> 00:43:52,599 interview now that I just remembered where Phil was kind of like talk about and 725 00:43:53,079 --> 00:43:55,840 it just goes back to I almost say, to bring this up what you 726 00:43:55,920 --> 00:44:00,480 said about Hi Fi Rush maybe not necessarily meeting every metric where they're like more 727 00:44:00,559 --> 00:44:05,599 people play Age of Empires to console edition than they play or is an Age 728 00:44:05,599 --> 00:44:08,000 of Epires four one of those Age of Empires then play High Fi Rush, 729 00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:12,480 And I think he was trying to do that to lift up Age of Empires. 730 00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:17,239 It kind of sounded like a problem for High Fi Rush to mean High 731 00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:22,599 Fi Rush should be being should be getting played by more people than the RTS 732 00:44:22,679 --> 00:44:25,599 game on console. Empires is a very it's got a lot, it's got 733 00:44:25,639 --> 00:44:29,360 a lot of people play, it's got a long history, so maybe that 734 00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:30,880 is the difference. But you're you're right, I kind of I heard it 735 00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:36,519 that way too. Scott Levine says, doesn't red Fall turn into another scale 736 00:44:36,559 --> 00:44:40,000 Bound if it's canceled a mid game with just bad pr due to lack of 737 00:44:40,119 --> 00:44:44,119 games? Yes, and it doesn't matter it does. Yeah, I think 738 00:44:44,159 --> 00:44:45,239 you're exactly right. And hey, maybe a lesson for all of us. 739 00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:49,599 Maybe when games get canceled sometimes we don't need to go. I can't believe 740 00:44:49,679 --> 00:44:52,760 they never release that because who knows, And like, no normal fucking person 741 00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:57,079 knows about scale Bound? Right, No, actually are going to hear about 742 00:44:57,119 --> 00:44:59,840 red Fall. It's not a real problem. It's not a real problem. 743 00:45:00,039 --> 00:45:01,559 Of course, ten years from now, it's gonna be an a did you 744 00:45:01,679 --> 00:45:06,519 know gaming about canceled Xbox games and people are gonna like, I wish they 745 00:45:06,599 --> 00:45:08,400 released that game. It would have been so cool. Well, now we 746 00:45:08,519 --> 00:45:12,719 know better, right, I don't think normal people knew about red Fall before 747 00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:15,480 it came out, Right, people have heard about red Fall's bad reception. 748 00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:19,800 It's become a meme, not a huge meme. I'm not saying it's like 749 00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:22,159 the thing people are talking about on the streets, but it's like that is 750 00:45:22,199 --> 00:45:25,800 way worse than anything. No fucking person's gonna know about scale Bound. That's 751 00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:30,559 just not happening. Uh. Then from Hum drum Dog go to one one, 752 00:45:30,639 --> 00:45:36,719 Jeff, please respond to my DM please safe name porkgo Rolso uh PfP, 753 00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:40,599 let's hope is that Hum drum Dog or is it Porkgo Rolso? Then 754 00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:44,840 I see saying pork I like that movie. But like I mean, I 755 00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:46,800 told me I got so many dms. Yeah, it would have been better 756 00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:51,800 if you just put the message in the in the super chat and future reference, 757 00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:52,679 Jef. But you gotta find it now you're already paid. We couldn't 758 00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:54,719 stop him. Yeah, if I find it eventually, I mean, you 759 00:45:54,920 --> 00:46:00,559 mean, good luck man. It might be from a Hum drug Dog. 760 00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:04,199 One word? You look for that, Jeff. 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If you use our code mess 812 00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:29,519 always use the right tools for the job with Manscape. We're back and we 813 00:49:29,679 --> 00:49:32,079 have a game for you. All closest to the Messy Pen. We have 814 00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:37,079 our special guest host Turboshean here to help us out with the game from Benji 815 00:49:37,159 --> 00:49:43,840 Bob Sean take it over. I'm actually ask you, Jeff, to narrate 816 00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:45,840 this opening for us. Can you do that for you? It's the internet, 817 00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:58,280 You're busy. Let's do this. It's not too bad. Where are 818 00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:04,239 they seeing, Jeff? Well, they they're seeing a Bop original, literally 819 00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:07,559 asked an audio podcast Jeff, I have listen to the music. I was 820 00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:10,440 making sure that everything was going good with the audio. It's text flying through 821 00:50:10,519 --> 00:50:15,119 space like Star Wars. What do you think is happening? Audio listeners? 822 00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:21,760 It's supposed to read the Bop original, I'm saying. I was like waiting 823 00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:25,320 for the rest of it. An audio shows to take this fucking show. 824 00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:30,559 Find them. You want to read the rules too? Do I even do 825 00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:34,920 everything? You're out here? All right, sit your ass down, I'm 826 00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:42,880 taking over christ all right, everybody drink? She said. That went exactly 827 00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:49,800 like I wanted it too. It is time once again vil One's fair game 828 00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:52,440 show with that podcast closest to the Messy Pin, as Jeff the sort of 829 00:50:52,559 --> 00:50:57,400 narrated there the rules. If it's your first time. Every round you will 830 00:50:57,400 --> 00:51:01,360 be given a capital C certified aka older in ten years retro game. The 831 00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:07,079 goals who predict the game's Metacritic score, We'll be using a closest slippin scoring 832 00:51:07,199 --> 00:51:12,719 system aka you know the golf pun that we have there. The score difference 833 00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:16,360 between your guests and the correct answer will be accumulated after every round. At 834 00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:21,280 the end of the game, the lowest total score wins again Dolf rules. 835 00:51:21,679 --> 00:51:25,559 If you guess the exact Metacritic score as it lands right now on metcre dot 836 00:51:25,599 --> 00:51:30,519 com and step getting a zero, you can deduct five points from your total 837 00:51:30,599 --> 00:51:36,320 score. Gentlemen, are you ready? Let's do this? Okay? Who 838 00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:37,440 the hell? One last time? I probably should have looked this one up. 839 00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:40,360 I think I did. I did? I got two exactly right, 840 00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:44,639 So how would I That was the one where you got too, Jeff? 841 00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:47,679 Thank you appreciate that, alright, So Mike will be give me the first 842 00:51:49,159 --> 00:51:55,159 guest here on Star Wars Episode two, Attack of the Clones, the game 843 00:51:55,320 --> 00:52:01,000 Boy Advanced version of this licensed game, May thirtieth, two thousand and two. 844 00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:07,840 Fourteen critic reviews, Uh, can we ask who the publisher is? 845 00:52:07,039 --> 00:52:12,280 I'm asking before answers, so we both have the same advantage. He doesn't 846 00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:15,599 have that. Okay, that's fine, Uh cool, thanks for help. 847 00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:20,559 Well he's what do you want, mister? What you got them to google 848 00:52:20,639 --> 00:52:23,480 it for you? Kind of? You have no idea? I'll may hoops. 849 00:52:23,559 --> 00:52:28,960 My computer is going through right now to get freaking power points, presentation 850 00:52:29,079 --> 00:52:31,599 stream or the Internet execue like all of those things. I don't mean, 851 00:52:31,679 --> 00:52:36,800 I just I don't remember the console episode two game being very good. I 852 00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:39,079 let learn the Gameboy Advance version. It's not like that episode three Gameboy Advance 853 00:52:39,159 --> 00:52:43,360 game that was actually pretty good, but I probably also didn't get like great 854 00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:47,840 reviews. I'm gonna say sixty eight, sixty yeah. Okay. By the 855 00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:51,639 way, the man himself, Bob, is saying in the chest TSQ. 856 00:52:52,039 --> 00:52:53,559 Okay, thank you, Bob, thank you, Bob. I'm gonna go 857 00:52:53,960 --> 00:53:02,000 with a full red ball. I think it was sixty two, lay up 858 00:53:02,039 --> 00:53:07,679 now, thank you. Okay. So Mike has sixty eight on the board, 859 00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:21,599 Jeff has sixty two, and the correct answer is thirty eight. Headquarters 860 00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:25,159 just did not know how to make games apparently. Oh boy, I see, 861 00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:30,000 so you got thirty I've never had to enter a number this high into 862 00:53:30,039 --> 00:53:32,960 this bottom one. I don't know how it works. Your computer handle calculations. 863 00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:37,960 Beside, Christ red ball looked like red faction over here. I don't 864 00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:39,280 even know what that means. I guess yeah, we're no one's going negative 865 00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:42,679 tonight, that's for sure. We're guaranteed not to go negative. So that 866 00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:47,360 means that the blue side, Mike has thirty points on the board, Jeff, 867 00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:51,559 the red side, can't imagine what that stands for. It has twenty 868 00:53:51,639 --> 00:53:53,199 four points on the board. Wow. Wow, I didn't know we were 869 00:53:53,320 --> 00:53:58,880 editorializing Benji. Okay, aren't you the dude who dressed up as Darth Maul 870 00:53:59,159 --> 00:54:05,400 during a live stream? No? I was No, I was Wolf Pecks 871 00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:08,039 thing. You philistine? Oh it looks a lot like Darth Maul, doesn't 872 00:54:08,079 --> 00:54:12,320 any Yeah, I think we always just say starth Maul. I'm disgusted. 873 00:54:13,599 --> 00:54:21,639 Anyways, A game number two, Jeff's pick will be Star Wars Rogue Squadron, 874 00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:25,960 Nintendo sixty four, November seventeenth, nineteen ninety nine, nineteen ninety eight, 875 00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:32,840 Sorry about that. Fifteen critic reviews. Shit, all right, this 876 00:54:34,079 --> 00:54:37,239 is tough. I want to go higher than I probably should, but I'm 877 00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:43,519 want to go too low. It's I'm gonna go with eighty on the dot. 878 00:54:45,519 --> 00:54:47,239 Eighty on the dot. Okay, they get did better than that. 879 00:54:47,239 --> 00:54:52,159 I'm gonna say eighty five. I hope it did better. I yeah, 880 00:54:52,199 --> 00:54:53,639 I hope. So I feel like this one could be a toss up. 881 00:54:53,639 --> 00:54:58,880 I actually don't know myself. Well, Star Wars of Rogue Squadron, which, 882 00:54:58,960 --> 00:55:00,119 okay, I was talking about this stream to day every mind me is 883 00:55:00,159 --> 00:55:05,360 this like the first one and then the other ones were on the GameCube. 884 00:55:05,519 --> 00:55:07,480 It's the first one. The other two were on the GameCube, but then 885 00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:15,320 the second one was the GameCube launch game. This is like the whole Jedi 886 00:55:15,440 --> 00:55:17,639 Academy thing. I can't remember which one is which because they did that like 887 00:55:17,760 --> 00:55:22,239 three different times where they did the rambo thing to it. I'm not like 888 00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:23,079 that, just because I care about these games a lot, so I know 889 00:55:23,159 --> 00:55:25,840 the difference. But you're right, You're right, Yeah, but you're fucking 890 00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:31,639 nerd. Anyways, the actual score on metacrict dot com is eighty five. 891 00:55:32,639 --> 00:55:37,679 Let's go Mikey nails. It gets five points deducted from his score. Jeff 892 00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:44,239 gains five. The tides have turned. The Jedi Order now has twenty five, 893 00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:50,119 and the sixth scrub has twenty nine. This is terrible. I shouldn't 894 00:55:50,119 --> 00:55:52,840 be treated this guy. I'm sad to say scores as I it's hilarious. 895 00:55:53,480 --> 00:56:01,599 Game number three Star Wars The Force Unleased two released for the Xbox three sixty 896 00:56:01,719 --> 00:56:07,840 October twenty six, twenty ten. Fifty nine critic reviews, mikey is your 897 00:56:07,960 --> 00:56:12,239 pick first? Yeah, I don't think this in particularly well. I'm gonna 898 00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:22,760 say a very nice sixty nine. Nice damn it. Um, I'm I'm 899 00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:29,679 gonna go with seventy one, and I feel good about it. I think 900 00:56:29,719 --> 00:56:31,280 I got this one. Yeah, I don't think I would have guessed lower. 901 00:56:31,719 --> 00:56:35,480 This is funny because as a part of the research I did for our 902 00:56:35,519 --> 00:56:37,360 discussion, which is up on YouTube and podcast feeds right now. Everybody, 903 00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:42,079 please go listen, I actually checked out what the Matras score was for both 904 00:56:42,119 --> 00:56:45,199 the original and this one, and so I already know that the Xbox three 905 00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:50,920 sixty version has sixty one. A good game, almost a red Fall, 906 00:56:52,199 --> 00:56:58,360 almost almost the full Red Fall. Yeah, okay, so Mike gains eight 907 00:56:58,480 --> 00:57:05,199 points, Jeff gains ten. That's thirty three thirty nine for Jeff. Game 908 00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:10,840 number four, Star Wars Cole and Knights of the All Republic two Cole and 909 00:57:12,159 --> 00:57:16,159 the Sith Lords the Least for the Xbox December six, two thousand and four, 910 00:57:16,679 --> 00:57:20,760 sixty seven. Craig reviews. That feels like a lot of reviews for 911 00:57:20,840 --> 00:57:23,480 a game that I'll be honest, I've I don't know much about. I 912 00:57:23,639 --> 00:57:30,880 feel this is a good game that was not reviewed well at the time because 913 00:57:30,920 --> 00:57:37,159 of a lot of performance issues. Uh, but it's like hard, too 914 00:57:37,480 --> 00:57:39,559 hard to like pin down, Like where does that put it? Then? 915 00:57:39,679 --> 00:57:45,679 Because people even recognize that there was a good game in there, I'm gonna 916 00:57:45,719 --> 00:57:50,719 go with seventy two. Seventy two. I don't think it did that bad. 917 00:57:51,039 --> 00:57:53,119 I think it did a lot worse than Cold Tour, But Coultur was 918 00:57:53,159 --> 00:57:57,719 like a in the nineties cult reviewed so well. I think this is still 919 00:57:57,760 --> 00:58:01,599 closer to like an eighty eight, all right, there's a chance for Jeff 920 00:58:01,639 --> 00:58:04,880 to make up a lot of ground here, though there's a big difference between 921 00:58:04,920 --> 00:58:06,960 our two scores, And I don't know. I think you're right when you 922 00:58:07,079 --> 00:58:08,519 put it sid of like that, like that's a good point. Yeah, 923 00:58:08,559 --> 00:58:12,800 I'm very curious because I feel like people don't talk about this one nearly as 924 00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:15,880 much as the first one. Yeah, it's been sort of redeemed since then. 925 00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:19,239 And the people who are like, I think so yeah, yeah, 926 00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:21,960 the people are like, who if you know, you know, really like 927 00:58:22,079 --> 00:58:23,719 it because the story is very good in it. M okay, gotcha? 928 00:58:23,840 --> 00:58:29,320 Gotcha? Was this was this subsidian subsidian, subsidian? Okay, got it? 929 00:58:29,840 --> 00:58:32,800 All right? Well, the score for this game currently, I don't 930 00:58:32,800 --> 00:58:42,039 want to read the whole day again. Coachward two uh is eight? Okay, 931 00:58:42,239 --> 00:58:45,480 got a lot of leeway, got a lot of leeway. I was 932 00:58:45,639 --> 00:58:49,400 very fire originally, but I'm like, I can be safe within eighty man. 933 00:58:49,840 --> 00:58:52,480 Okay, m that's a really high score, man, I do Yeah, 934 00:58:52,599 --> 00:58:55,159 that's like really good, David, I have a finished ending. Yeah 935 00:58:55,239 --> 00:59:02,079 yeah, they they they Zeno's Saga did or whatever something like that. Yeah, 936 00:59:04,280 --> 00:59:06,760 Gears sextually the one that didn't finish the ending. There we are, 937 00:59:06,840 --> 00:59:13,519 okay, going into the final round here beautiful like the thirty nine points on 938 00:59:13,639 --> 00:59:17,079 the board, Jeff has fifty three. No, this is not a basketball 939 00:59:17,159 --> 00:59:27,159 game, everybody. This is the final game for the evening. Is Star 940 00:59:27,320 --> 00:59:36,000 Wars Racer Revenge PlayStation two, February eleven, two thousand and two thirty four 941 00:59:36,079 --> 00:59:39,519 creator reviews, Mike, your first pick. I remember it wasn't received nearly 942 00:59:39,559 --> 00:59:44,760 as well as the original episode when Racer, largely because this is just a 943 00:59:44,840 --> 00:59:47,400 game that it ran at thirty franks per second, and if ever there's a 944 00:59:47,480 --> 00:59:52,320 game that you won at sixty, it's this. I think it was like 945 00:59:52,519 --> 00:59:58,840 a seventy two. Seventy two. Okay, uh well, I gotta go. 946 00:59:59,400 --> 01:00:01,920 Let's see. Let me do some Matthew. If I get minus five, 947 01:00:02,119 --> 01:00:09,199 I'd have to be what eleven different from you? So let's just hope 948 01:00:09,239 --> 01:00:15,400 the math works out and I'll go with a sixty sixty. Okay, I 949 01:00:15,440 --> 01:00:19,920 don't guess. I saw that Revenge there, and I one herd percent thought 950 01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:22,920 this was a demolition in my head when I first Okay, it was kind 951 01:00:22,920 --> 01:00:28,679 of fun, really cool for messing around with your friend for thirty Mitch, 952 01:00:28,719 --> 01:00:37,639 Sure, right. Well. Star Wars Racer Revenge is currently sitting at a 953 01:00:37,880 --> 01:00:44,960 seventy three. Critic Mike was one point off, Jeff was thirteen points off, 954 01:00:45,119 --> 01:00:50,880 which means that at the end of the game here the Jedi triumph over 955 01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:53,800 the Sith forty points to jest agree to this. I didn't agree to any 956 01:00:53,800 --> 01:01:00,960 of this order sixty six, Oh my god, gonna kill us all. 957 01:01:01,480 --> 01:01:05,599 And he's very concerned that I'm yelling it's okay, tiny that they're just gonna 958 01:01:05,679 --> 01:01:07,800 murder us. Yeah. Good, good game, Jeff, Thank you, 959 01:01:07,880 --> 01:01:09,920 Bob, Thank you, Sean. That was a lot of fun, especially 960 01:01:09,960 --> 01:01:14,599 the part where I won. I was some good guesses. You're still forty 961 01:01:14,639 --> 01:01:16,159 off, but pretty good guesses, but mostly the first one, right, 962 01:01:17,480 --> 01:01:21,920 the first one, Yeah, that's actually you're forty points off of that. 963 01:01:22,159 --> 01:01:23,239 Yeah, I think, yeah, you were pretty close. Otherwise, all 964 01:01:23,320 --> 01:01:25,679 right, that was a great pay for the first one. Bob, nicely 965 01:01:25,760 --> 01:01:30,119 done. Thank you as always. All right, Sean, thank you so 966 01:01:30,280 --> 01:01:32,480 much. I appreciate it. H Mike, a good game. Let us 967 01:01:32,840 --> 01:01:36,599 go ahead and do what we're gonna do here for the rest of the show. 968 01:01:36,639 --> 01:01:38,199 And by that I mean take a quick break like refix these cameras. 969 01:01:38,880 --> 01:01:40,920 You're able to do that, we're gonna do the show. Talk about we 970 01:01:42,000 --> 01:01:43,880 been playing you get to the rest of these super chats. Thank you all 971 01:01:43,920 --> 01:01:45,559 so much. We'll read all of those. If he keep saying, I've 972 01:01:45,559 --> 01:01:50,519 been appreciate it all right, thanks for thinking with us. We're gonna keep 973 01:01:50,559 --> 01:01:52,760 that whereas it was that that birth was beautiful and we're not going to change 974 01:01:52,960 --> 01:01:57,840 who we are for you, our listeners. Mike, We're gonna do a 975 01:01:58,039 --> 01:02:00,599 Mount Rushmore and it's made the fourth were gonna do aout Ushmore Star Wars games. 976 01:02:01,079 --> 01:02:05,599 I will. I'll bring up the chart here for everybody in a second. 977 01:02:05,800 --> 01:02:07,840 But let's let's just kick it off. Where do you think we should 978 01:02:07,880 --> 01:02:14,760 begin? It's this is interesting because there's some big ones. There's also ones 979 01:02:14,800 --> 01:02:17,719 that are almost like baby correct put boring answers. Sure, so let me 980 01:02:17,840 --> 01:02:21,760 let me actually bring this one up right now. And it kind of falls 981 01:02:21,800 --> 01:02:24,480 in that a lot of category. These Star Wars Arcade game by Atari, 982 01:02:25,480 --> 01:02:31,039 which is super fun, it's super iconic, it's pretty important. People I 983 01:02:31,159 --> 01:02:35,039 care that much about it now, I don't. I don't. I know 984 01:02:35,119 --> 01:02:37,079 a lot of people who do. But I also think they're wrong. Um, 985 01:02:37,719 --> 01:02:39,159 I mean I had to. I had to. I had like the 986 01:02:39,280 --> 01:02:42,920 up the port of it for thirty two X and that was pretty cool. 987 01:02:43,039 --> 01:02:45,800 Actually yeah, yeah, and there's it's actually still kind of fun to go 988 01:02:45,920 --> 01:02:49,920 back to. I guess it's very cool and for the time with the vector 989 01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:52,920 graphics and anything, it was really neat and even for a long time after 990 01:02:52,960 --> 01:02:55,599 it, it's still fun. And I know, like by Mount Rushmore rules, 991 01:02:55,639 --> 01:03:00,119 I guess it deserves some consideration, but I don't know. It's just 992 01:03:00,280 --> 01:03:04,440 a bit too old, even from Mount Rushmore. It's it's older than George 993 01:03:04,519 --> 01:03:09,800 Washington. It's like putting John Smith from Pocahanas on there, yes, which 994 01:03:09,840 --> 01:03:15,159 we're not gonna do. We do John Smith on there? Um. Yeah, 995 01:03:15,400 --> 01:03:17,079 So I'm trying, like, what are the other iconic but boring ones? 996 01:03:17,840 --> 01:03:20,480 Okay, The other one I was kind of thinking of with this, 997 01:03:20,519 --> 01:03:22,800 and some people are going to agree with me, is Lego Star Wars. 998 01:03:23,480 --> 01:03:28,679 Yeah. I mean I don't want to put that up there because it just 999 01:03:28,800 --> 01:03:32,480 feels like such a specific thing where it's it's kind of like Lego is its 1000 01:03:32,559 --> 01:03:36,559 own thing. Like if we were doing a Mount Rushmore Lego games, Star 1001 01:03:36,599 --> 01:03:40,039 Wars would definitely be up there. But I don't know, it feels like 1002 01:03:40,480 --> 01:03:45,119 slight, and it has always felt slight. And while it's great Star Wars 1003 01:03:45,199 --> 01:03:47,159 fan service, it's not even really the best Star Wars fan service. It 1004 01:03:47,199 --> 01:03:51,039 doesn't even do that better than anything else. Yeah, and I don't mean 1005 01:03:51,079 --> 01:03:53,679 this to be condescending what they were always really good at was being very good 1006 01:03:53,800 --> 01:03:57,679 kids games. They are right and there fantastic that they're fun playing with your 1007 01:03:57,760 --> 01:04:00,599 kids. I don't have that much in Risks as an adult of playing, 1008 01:04:00,760 --> 01:04:03,159 like I would even get in this trap for a while where it's like, 1009 01:04:03,199 --> 01:04:05,800 well, now it's the Lord of the Rings lego game, I'm really excited, 1010 01:04:05,960 --> 01:04:09,519 and then I played it would be a fucking Lego game. I feel 1011 01:04:09,519 --> 01:04:13,400 like this is a kind of doll because it's really simple and not very interesting. 1012 01:04:13,559 --> 01:04:16,199 But as the lego with the brand, I like, so, yeah, 1013 01:04:16,360 --> 01:04:18,920 I think it's a little rough. I could see an argument for it, 1014 01:04:19,000 --> 01:04:23,000 but it just doesn't really interest me to put it on there. So 1015 01:04:23,159 --> 01:04:26,599 then okay, then let's start thinking about someone someone that do have a chance. 1016 01:04:26,840 --> 01:04:30,800 There's some obvious months we'll get to him. There are quite quite a 1017 01:04:30,840 --> 01:04:36,079 few Star Wars shooters, ones that are just either first person shooters or kind 1018 01:04:36,119 --> 01:04:40,480 of you know, adjacent or in that ve. Even like if you just 1019 01:04:40,559 --> 01:04:44,280 go Dark Forces, the Dark Forces series, like which one of those would 1020 01:04:44,360 --> 01:04:46,880 even be in contention? Yeah, so you know, actually, before before 1021 01:04:46,920 --> 01:04:51,320 we start potting, Jeff I bought Dark Forces. It's on sale right now, 1022 01:04:51,480 --> 01:04:54,480 like the original game, which, if you don't know, basically like 1023 01:04:54,559 --> 01:04:58,360 a Doom clone with Star Wars stuff on top of it. Fans have made 1024 01:04:58,559 --> 01:05:01,519 something called the Force Engine, which allows you to run this Dost game on 1025 01:05:01,679 --> 01:05:06,239 modern computers, like up to high resolutions with all these other bells and whistles. 1026 01:05:06,400 --> 01:05:09,920 It's really cool. I was having a really a neat time with it. 1027 01:05:10,320 --> 01:05:13,400 I think it's one of my favorite shooters of that kind of time in 1028 01:05:13,480 --> 01:05:15,400 space. But it's not the best Star Wars shooter. And there's a lot 1029 01:05:15,400 --> 01:05:18,840 of sequels to that game, and all of them are good. Jedi Night, 1030 01:05:18,960 --> 01:05:23,840 Jedi Outcast, Jedi Academy, Jedi Outcast is the one that sticks out 1031 01:05:23,960 --> 01:05:27,719 to me. It's the one that's the most. It doesn't really feel necessarily 1032 01:05:27,760 --> 01:05:30,760 a pure clone to some other game. Does a really good job of making 1033 01:05:30,800 --> 01:05:34,039 those Jedi powers a lot of fun and mixing them in with the shooter elements. 1034 01:05:34,079 --> 01:05:40,079 I think that kind of Jedi combat, lightsaber combat is still really fun. 1035 01:05:40,519 --> 01:05:44,079 It's better than we have in Forced Unleash. It's different than Jedi Survivor, 1036 01:05:44,119 --> 01:05:46,840 which is kind of doing more of the defensive Perry dark Souls kind of 1037 01:05:46,880 --> 01:05:51,159 thing. This is very offensive. You're jumping on Walls doing Princip Persia shit 1038 01:05:51,199 --> 01:05:57,119 and just kind of wailing that lightsaber using all these force powers. Kyle katarn 1039 01:05:57,280 --> 01:06:00,960 is awesome of just a big fan of that character. Jedi Academy is also 1040 01:06:00,039 --> 01:06:04,199 really good. Its story is just kind of whatever, whereas Jedi Outcast this 1041 01:06:04,320 --> 01:06:08,800 is really fun Star Wars story. Actually, you know, you have familiar 1042 01:06:08,880 --> 01:06:11,800 characters in there, like Lando shows up and so on, but it still 1043 01:06:11,880 --> 01:06:15,639 stands on its own in a really nice way. So I think if I 1044 01:06:15,679 --> 01:06:19,039 had to pick a shooter from that series, Jedi Outcast and then maybe the 1045 01:06:19,159 --> 01:06:23,559 other one, you know, like the recent Battlefront games that are pure first 1046 01:06:23,559 --> 01:06:26,920 person shooters, they're fun. I think they're better than all few game credit 1047 01:06:27,000 --> 01:06:31,000 for I think, yeah, looks really good to Battlefront two. Yeah that 1048 01:06:31,559 --> 01:06:34,679 sorry battle Front two is that level set on that one planet that rains a 1049 01:06:34,760 --> 01:06:38,719 lot from episode two, and that is like one of the cool, cools 1050 01:06:38,800 --> 01:06:42,079 looking levels in a shooter. I love that, but it has problems. 1051 01:06:42,199 --> 01:06:45,119 It doesn't always run great. That engine is super well optimized. Campaign is 1052 01:06:45,280 --> 01:06:50,079 kind of baggy. Yeah, yeah, I think the other first person shooters 1053 01:06:50,199 --> 01:06:56,519 probably be Republic Commando, where you placed the Clone troopers. That was always 1054 01:06:56,559 --> 01:07:00,360 a shock. It was so much fun back then. Um, you know, 1055 01:07:00,440 --> 01:07:02,719 it's just a lot of it is that it's not really doing anything super 1056 01:07:03,519 --> 01:07:08,119 original, but it just kind of all felt really good. It did more 1057 01:07:08,599 --> 01:07:12,119 with Episode two than Episode two did, right, and a lot the prequels 1058 01:07:12,159 --> 01:07:14,920 were good for that in a lot of ways where the movies were always bad, 1059 01:07:15,000 --> 01:07:17,440 Well, we got good games out of them, and Republic Commando is 1060 01:07:17,480 --> 01:07:24,400 one of the poster children for that. What do you feel about the Pandemics 1061 01:07:24,639 --> 01:07:30,800 Star Wars Battlefront games? Yeah, this might be controversial. I sometimes shocked 1062 01:07:30,840 --> 01:07:34,880 people liked them as much as I liked them. People talk about Battlefront two 1063 01:07:35,360 --> 01:07:39,639 like it was one of the best games that generation. I saw somebody asking 1064 01:07:40,039 --> 01:07:42,599 whatever year it was that Battlefront two came out, I forget what it was, 1065 01:07:42,679 --> 01:07:45,559 Like, what's the game of the year of two thousand and four or 1066 01:07:45,639 --> 01:07:46,840 two thousand and seven or whatever, and a lot of people were like, 1067 01:07:46,880 --> 01:07:51,119 well, Battlefront two obviously, and that shot somebody who was there then. 1068 01:07:51,239 --> 01:07:55,639 That shocks me, Like those games were good. I think they got reviewed 1069 01:07:55,679 --> 01:07:58,239 in like the mid to little eighties. Yeah, two thousand and five, 1070 01:07:58,559 --> 01:08:01,039 it's a good game. I agree. I can't see it as a Mountain 1071 01:08:01,079 --> 01:08:04,000 Rushmore. But maybe I'm missing something here. What do you think about it? 1072 01:08:04,039 --> 01:08:09,079 I mean, but I was not playing a lot of a lot of 1073 01:08:09,119 --> 01:08:12,480 it at the time. Um, and ever, whenever I would go back, 1074 01:08:12,800 --> 01:08:15,000 I just felt like I was missing something because I know people love the 1075 01:08:15,039 --> 01:08:18,399 game, and I'm like, yeah, it's clearly really just built to be 1076 01:08:18,479 --> 01:08:24,199 fun, and I appreciate that. But also it's I feel it felt when 1077 01:08:24,199 --> 01:08:26,960 I played it later disposable, like it's just like, yeah, they're just 1078 01:08:27,000 --> 01:08:29,239 throwing a bunch of stuff in there. And well, I mean, I'm 1079 01:08:29,279 --> 01:08:30,479 sure that for people who were there, that's not what they want to hear. 1080 01:08:30,560 --> 01:08:33,439 But um, I think I tend to agree with you, right, 1081 01:08:33,520 --> 01:08:36,239 I like it, I get it. I am a I don't want to 1082 01:08:36,239 --> 01:08:39,720 say overrated, because that has like more baggage on it than I mean, 1083 01:08:39,840 --> 01:08:44,920 but I am surprised people feel as strongly about it as they do. Okay, 1084 01:08:44,960 --> 01:08:46,920 so we have Jedi outcasts of Rebel Commando in Republic Commando. In the 1085 01:08:47,000 --> 01:08:50,760 consideration those games games came out of, like the Shooters, Star Wars games, 1086 01:08:50,840 --> 01:08:54,640 We'll see if they even make the list. Um, there's a lot 1087 01:08:54,720 --> 01:08:59,880 of then, like Star Wars games, Flight SIMS or Arcadie Flight Game. 1088 01:09:00,399 --> 01:09:03,239 Yeah, this is where I feel bad, Jeff, because I just I 1089 01:09:03,319 --> 01:09:05,760 think this could be a blessed bout of both of us. We might have 1090 01:09:05,880 --> 01:09:11,399 to beg forgiveness here. Neither of us really played those x Wing games and 1091 01:09:11,560 --> 01:09:16,159 people absolutely love them. I have them and I keep meaning to go back, 1092 01:09:16,199 --> 01:09:18,760 but I also feel like I might have missed my window to get into 1093 01:09:18,840 --> 01:09:24,520 them. Yeah, it's a shame. Like now on the kind of mirror 1094 01:09:24,600 --> 01:09:29,840 side of that, the sort of more arcady shooters of those, the Rogue 1095 01:09:29,880 --> 01:09:32,920 Squadron games I was very much into, and Rogue Leaders one. I think 1096 01:09:32,960 --> 01:09:36,239 that's the best of those, and that seems like a pretty easy one to 1097 01:09:36,359 --> 01:09:41,560 throw up there. For me. It's a game that still just looks amazing. 1098 01:09:42,479 --> 01:09:44,800 One of my favorite Launch games ever. It's still the game that I 1099 01:09:44,880 --> 01:09:48,720 think makes flying around in like an X Wing or an A Wing feel really 1100 01:09:48,760 --> 01:09:51,560 good. Star Wars Squads did come out, and it was a lot of 1101 01:09:51,600 --> 01:09:58,439 fun, but I almost kind of prefer this more arcady gamy feel of this 1102 01:09:58,600 --> 01:10:00,239 as opposed to like, we're going to really make it feel like you're in 1103 01:10:00,399 --> 01:10:03,199 the cockpit. I know I wanted to feel like I'm playing with a toy 1104 01:10:03,279 --> 01:10:09,399 actually, and Rogue Leader does an amazing job of that. Yeah, I'm 1105 01:10:09,439 --> 01:10:12,159 fine with either Rogue Squadron or Rogue Leader, but I think I probably agreed 1106 01:10:12,159 --> 01:10:14,960 that Rogue Leader. I mean, Rogue Leader was so good it looks amazing 1107 01:10:15,079 --> 01:10:18,159 to this day. It was a great GameCube launch game, and it just 1108 01:10:18,439 --> 01:10:23,520 was very It felt very Star Wars like Throw and Through. The music was 1109 01:10:23,560 --> 01:10:27,560 great in there, they the technology was just really good. Rogue Leader is 1110 01:10:27,680 --> 01:10:30,680 very very It deserves to probably be up there for sure in my opinion. 1111 01:10:31,960 --> 01:10:34,199 But yeah, I'm with you. Like h I missed down a Tie Fighter, 1112 01:10:34,279 --> 01:10:38,199 I missed on an x Wing Xwing Alliance all that stuff, and I 1113 01:10:38,279 --> 01:10:42,399 feel bad. But I also probably even I probably put Rogue Lead up there 1114 01:10:42,399 --> 01:10:45,159 first because I was such a GameCube kid. Um, I would be shocked. 1115 01:10:45,199 --> 01:10:47,760 And even if I played Tie Fighter now or Tie Fighter versus x Wing 1116 01:10:47,840 --> 01:10:50,760 or x Meing Alliance, whichever one people think is the best one, it 1117 01:10:50,880 --> 01:10:54,359 might be too late for me to ever really think I like it more than 1118 01:10:54,479 --> 01:10:57,159 Rogue Leader. Yeah. I know those are different things in a way, 1119 01:10:57,520 --> 01:11:00,960 but they're similar enough. A little shout out though, to the very underrated 1120 01:11:01,039 --> 01:11:06,239 I think Starfighter games from the PlayStation two, which are really more like pure 1121 01:11:06,880 --> 01:11:12,880 rail shooters like a Star Fox. But Starfighter and Jedistarfighter we're actually pretty fun. 1122 01:11:13,199 --> 01:11:15,840 I think star Fox I never played those games. That's that's interesting. 1123 01:11:15,840 --> 01:11:18,159 I didn't really. Yeah, they're they're they're good time. There's a Waddo 1124 01:11:18,239 --> 01:11:21,159 like character in it. It's not Waddo, but it's that alien species and 1125 01:11:21,319 --> 01:11:25,640 that's fun. Toy Darian of course. Yeah, but Jedi Jedi star Fight, 1126 01:11:25,760 --> 01:11:28,399 specially rail shooter isn't really what I mean, but you know, it 1127 01:11:28,600 --> 01:11:30,800 is kind of star foxy. They're not like star Fox bade In my mind 1128 01:11:30,840 --> 01:11:33,239 they were a lot like Star Fox. It's been a while since I played 1129 01:11:33,279 --> 01:11:36,000 them, but I might be wrong on that, but they're good games. 1130 01:11:36,000 --> 01:11:41,279 They're worth checking up because in my mind it was much more linear as opposed 1131 01:11:41,319 --> 01:11:44,680 to Rogue Squadron, which is like you're in these arenas you can kind of 1132 01:11:44,680 --> 01:11:47,720 fly around over the place. In my mind, the Jedi Starfighter games and 1133 01:11:47,720 --> 01:11:53,239 the Starfighter it was more you're going down a path. Um what Okay. 1134 01:11:53,520 --> 01:11:57,119 There's some other things that are definitely on the bubble, Star Wars, Shadow 1135 01:11:57,159 --> 01:11:59,359 of the Empire. How do you feel about that one. That's when I 1136 01:11:59,560 --> 01:12:03,279 really do have a soft spot for I don't think that puts it up there 1137 01:12:03,399 --> 01:12:08,119 though, Yeah, I have a soft spot for it. It it also 1138 01:12:08,159 --> 01:12:13,960 seems important in a way. Yeah, yeah, very yeah hof level very 1139 01:12:14,079 --> 01:12:18,479 early until sixty four game. It was a big moment for Star Wars is 1140 01:12:18,479 --> 01:12:23,119 back on consoles because before then there were not a lot of console Star Wars 1141 01:12:23,159 --> 01:12:26,319 games. We had the Superstar Wars games, which are fun, you know, 1142 01:12:26,399 --> 01:12:29,199 two D platforms that are almost more known for being hard than anything else. 1143 01:12:29,359 --> 01:12:32,960 They're fun. I don't think they make it on here. But this 1144 01:12:33,199 --> 01:12:35,279 was when it was like, after this, it felt like we just had 1145 01:12:35,319 --> 01:12:43,000 a steady stream of Star Wars games that basically lasted until the Xbox ree sixty 1146 01:12:43,000 --> 01:12:45,840 era, when it suddenly slowed down. And then we got you know, 1147 01:12:45,960 --> 01:12:48,279 like a Force unleashed, when a Force leashed two and that was like about 1148 01:12:48,319 --> 01:12:54,760 it for that whole generation. Um okay, and then the MMOs Star Wars 1149 01:12:54,840 --> 01:12:59,520 Galaxies and Star Wars the Old Republic. Nah, both of them are very 1150 01:12:59,560 --> 01:13:02,960 interesting. Both of them are fun. I admire things about them more so 1151 01:13:03,119 --> 01:13:08,560 Galaxies, even though it failed much harder. But no, yeah, Galaxy 1152 01:13:08,640 --> 01:13:13,319 is a super interesting I like, I love reading about it. I don't 1153 01:13:13,319 --> 01:13:15,439 think I ever would have liked actually playing it, but I really love reading 1154 01:13:15,479 --> 01:13:18,439 about the way the game was supposed to work and how hard it was supposed 1155 01:13:18,439 --> 01:13:21,439 to be to become a Jedi, and then then realized, like making a 1156 01:13:21,479 --> 01:13:24,680 game that where it's like, you know, it's gonna be very difficult become 1157 01:13:24,680 --> 01:13:28,399 a Jedi, and then being faced with the economic reality of people paying money 1158 01:13:28,399 --> 01:13:30,720 want to be a fucking Jedi, you idiots. It's oh god, that 1159 01:13:30,880 --> 01:13:33,840 kind of sucks. I wish they could have stated their original vision. Maybe 1160 01:13:33,880 --> 01:13:38,720 that's uh yeah, that's definitely not gonna make it on this list, though. 1161 01:13:40,239 --> 01:13:42,439 I mean we can start getting to some of the obvious ones now, 1162 01:13:42,520 --> 01:13:45,039 Mike, I mean maybe the most obvious one, Star Wars Knights of the 1163 01:13:45,119 --> 01:13:49,079 Old Republic. Yeah, that's the biggest lock. Absolutely, yeah, I 1164 01:13:49,119 --> 01:13:56,279 think that's number one. It's this great original Star Wars story, it's this 1165 01:13:56,479 --> 01:14:02,720 really good RPG. It was actually hugely important for making the RPG's like non 1166 01:14:03,000 --> 01:14:09,159 JRPG turn based out RPG's popular on consoles like that in Marwin really paid away 1167 01:14:09,199 --> 01:14:12,439 for that, and honestly, Code Tour more so than Marowin. It was 1168 01:14:12,520 --> 01:14:15,920 this big deal. It was this big hit. It was this kind of 1169 01:14:15,000 --> 01:14:17,479 moment like, man, I it's almost kind of like now we're like, 1170 01:14:17,479 --> 01:14:19,159 man, I don't know if I like the Star Wars movies, but I 1171 01:14:19,239 --> 01:14:23,439 do like Jedi Survivors, So that's nice at least. Oh, the prequels 1172 01:14:23,520 --> 01:14:26,880 kind of suck. Code Tour show is great that I can still like Star 1173 01:14:27,079 --> 01:14:30,520 Wars and be into it because I have this thing I h Yeah, it 1174 01:14:30,640 --> 01:14:33,520 was, Um, it was for a very long time. It was like 1175 01:14:33,600 --> 01:14:36,800 that, it was the best Star Wars that wasn't you know New Hope, 1176 01:14:38,119 --> 01:14:41,199 Return of the Jedire Empire strikes back and it's like, uh, and there 1177 01:14:41,319 --> 01:14:45,760 wasn't much else anywhere close to it, and um, you know a lot 1178 01:14:45,760 --> 01:14:48,960 of that comes down to great storytelling and and really I'm still to this day 1179 01:14:49,000 --> 01:14:53,279 a very fun game, um where it's fun to like explore your character and 1180 01:14:53,359 --> 01:14:55,720 turn into and you know, talk with your team and stuff like that. 1181 01:14:55,800 --> 01:14:58,960 And they had some really great writing for h K forty seven. All this 1182 01:14:59,079 --> 01:15:03,239 stuff got good characters. Yeah, so I it's a lock like that's in 1183 01:15:03,399 --> 01:15:06,079 fact, I think it's number one with a bullet. Yeah, it's a 1184 01:15:06,159 --> 01:15:09,920 it's a pretty easy lock. I mean again, when that switchport came out, 1185 01:15:10,199 --> 01:15:13,159 I started up for funzies just ended up playing through the whole thing. 1186 01:15:13,359 --> 01:15:16,199 Again. It is just that kind of game. I love it. Uh. 1187 01:15:17,239 --> 01:15:20,000 I think. I know Quator two is is supposedly a good game. 1188 01:15:20,520 --> 01:15:25,239 Uh, but look, I mean it's nice that fans added in the ending, 1189 01:15:25,640 --> 01:15:28,479 but like the Day that should have been there for the beginning. Yes, 1190 01:15:28,640 --> 01:15:30,800 exactly, Yes, I mean this is not a statement against Cotour two 1191 01:15:30,800 --> 01:15:34,119 in any way, but Cotur is the game that goes up here for sure. 1192 01:15:34,680 --> 01:15:40,439 Um Survivors too recent and I haven't finished it. Uh, and it's 1193 01:15:40,479 --> 01:15:42,600 two recent. It's to go up on on a mount rushmore. But what 1194 01:15:42,640 --> 01:15:45,920 about Fallen Order, Yeah, I kind of I kind of like it up 1195 01:15:45,960 --> 01:15:49,640 there. I think it. I think it deserves consideration. I do like 1196 01:15:49,760 --> 01:15:53,800 it a lot. I think it's combat feels really good. I think it's 1197 01:15:53,840 --> 01:15:58,520 the best like lightsaber action game outside of the Jedi Outcast Jedi Academy branch. 1198 01:15:58,960 --> 01:16:01,760 In some ways, it does some things better there, like deflecting the blaster 1199 01:16:01,880 --> 01:16:04,880 bold stat feels also good in those games. Yea. I love that they 1200 01:16:05,039 --> 01:16:09,479 kind of did the three D Metroid Vinia rout with it. That sounds great. 1201 01:16:09,520 --> 01:16:12,520 There's some really good characters in this. I like Grease a lot. 1202 01:16:13,279 --> 01:16:15,560 I like Bed. That's a very cute little droid. Jeff, there's a 1203 01:16:15,640 --> 01:16:18,199 lot to like about Jedi Fallen Order. I think me and you even like 1204 01:16:18,359 --> 01:16:21,640 it more than most do. Yeah, I think it was. If it 1205 01:16:21,760 --> 01:16:25,199 wasn't my game of the year that year, it was in the top three 1206 01:16:25,319 --> 01:16:28,039 for sure. Um, I really like that. I love that game. 1207 01:16:28,079 --> 01:16:30,800 I straight up love that game. I would give it U five stars because 1208 01:16:30,800 --> 01:16:34,079 i'd was one of my favorite things. Uh, and Survive I'm enjoying even 1209 01:16:34,119 --> 01:16:39,960 more. But I think I think Fallen Order is in this five games that 1210 01:16:40,000 --> 01:16:42,560 we have right now which currently stands out for audio listeners, Nights to the 1211 01:16:42,600 --> 01:16:45,840 Old Republic is a lock, and then for the free remaining slots right now, 1212 01:16:45,880 --> 01:16:48,960 we have Jedi Outcasts, Republic, Commando, Rogue Leader, and Fallen 1213 01:16:49,159 --> 01:16:54,039 Order. Yeah, any other games for consideration you want to throw in there 1214 01:16:54,039 --> 01:16:57,159 before we start putting some other stuff next. Yeah, there's a big one 1215 01:16:57,199 --> 01:16:59,600 at least, and I think there might be a few more putting. Episode 1216 01:16:59,640 --> 01:17:04,520 one Race Sir is absolutely one of my favorite Star Wars games. It might 1217 01:17:04,560 --> 01:17:09,600 be. It's probably my second favorite racing game flat out after Ridge Racer Type 1218 01:17:09,640 --> 01:17:12,800 four, And you know how much I like Ridge Racer Type four. Episode 1219 01:17:12,800 --> 01:17:15,800 one Racer was like that game again, like kind of like, uh, 1220 01:17:15,199 --> 01:17:19,000 how Republic Commando was like the good side of episode two. Episode on Racer 1221 01:17:19,119 --> 01:17:24,600 was the good side of episode one. Definitely that episode one game. I 1222 01:17:24,680 --> 01:17:28,000 actually do like that. It was on PC and PlayStation. It's it is 1223 01:17:28,199 --> 01:17:30,199 jankie. I kind of like it. Anyways, it doesn't I don't think 1224 01:17:30,239 --> 01:17:33,920 it holds up for people who aren't sickos about enjoying old games. Still, 1225 01:17:34,079 --> 01:17:40,039 Episode one Racer definitely still holds up. It is so fast, its presentation 1226 01:17:40,319 --> 01:17:44,720 is great. I love it's goofy cast of characters, just so much fun. 1227 01:17:44,760 --> 01:17:47,800 I would kill to have another one of these. Uh Okay? Can 1228 01:17:47,840 --> 01:17:53,560 I put the Star Wars arcade, the one from the more modern one that 1229 01:17:53,680 --> 01:17:56,720 I like a lot. Can I put that on conserration because I think that 1230 01:17:56,840 --> 01:18:00,520 actually is an iconic game in a lot of ways, where uh, it 1231 01:18:00,640 --> 01:18:02,159 was just in movie theaters for so long, so it's like it was kind 1232 01:18:02,199 --> 01:18:04,319 of reliable, like you didn't have to go find an arcade to play it. 1233 01:18:04,560 --> 01:18:08,439 It was gonna be in your AMC and it was gonna it was gonna 1234 01:18:08,439 --> 01:18:11,399 be. It was gonna work. And sure, after like ten years that 1235 01:18:11,520 --> 01:18:14,000 the burning on it was pretty rough, but it was like nuts, this 1236 01:18:14,119 --> 01:18:16,159 is still that same game and and it feels great in these It does a 1237 01:18:16,199 --> 01:18:19,640 really good job of of hitting the big beats of the movie in a way 1238 01:18:19,680 --> 01:18:24,199 that it's just fun to play. And then it was you could get you 1239 01:18:24,239 --> 01:18:27,319 could kind of get good at it so that you could go through the action 1240 01:18:27,439 --> 01:18:31,079 sequence where you know, you're shooting atsts, you're and you're shooting Imperial Probe 1241 01:18:31,159 --> 01:18:33,960 droids, and then because it's you know, Empire strikes back scene, you're 1242 01:18:33,960 --> 01:18:35,920 gonna get to Boba Fett. You know, you have to fight off Boba 1243 01:18:36,000 --> 01:18:40,079 Fett and with your lightsaber and because it's a joystick, can kind of do 1244 01:18:40,199 --> 01:18:44,039 lightsaber movements. And it was just it felt really really awesome and it was 1245 01:18:44,399 --> 01:18:46,039 cinematic and I think they did a really good job with that game. I 1246 01:18:46,520 --> 01:18:48,680 still I played it again recently. I played it when when we were in 1247 01:18:48,760 --> 01:18:53,279 Chicago. I played it when um I was in wherever the hell I was 1248 01:18:53,399 --> 01:18:56,960 was traveling. Recently, Lau and Man, I still really liked that game. 1249 01:18:57,000 --> 01:19:00,760 A ton Sean says, the Internet's not gonna like what they are. 1250 01:19:00,000 --> 01:19:02,760 I'm not gonna like with the internet set, so I put Episolin Racer over 1251 01:19:02,840 --> 01:19:05,920 Battlefront two, Shows of the Empire or Superstars. I believe him. About 1252 01:19:05,920 --> 01:19:10,640 Battlefront two. I don't really think there are that many people who hold like 1253 01:19:11,079 --> 01:19:15,000 brightly blazing candles for shows of the Empire or Superstar Wars. I think shadow 1254 01:19:15,079 --> 01:19:18,239 the Empire's haf level, I do hold that candle fort and then everything after 1255 01:19:18,520 --> 01:19:21,199 I don't. It's like that's where it's very much on the bubble. People 1256 01:19:21,359 --> 01:19:24,479 are like that, I'm gonna go at the list, and I do think 1257 01:19:24,560 --> 01:19:27,239 now I'm like been thinking about it. I think if we have a Republic 1258 01:19:27,279 --> 01:19:30,039 commando on here, I also think I do want the modern Star Wars Republic. 1259 01:19:30,600 --> 01:19:34,680 I'm sorry Star Wars Battlefront two because they did kind of get to that 1260 01:19:34,760 --> 01:19:39,119 game where there's so much Star Wars in it that I think I kind of 1261 01:19:39,159 --> 01:19:43,359 want at least to be considered. I have to say in this spirit amount 1262 01:19:43,439 --> 01:19:46,920 Rushmore, Jeff, actually, if we were to consider a Battlefront maybe we 1263 01:19:46,960 --> 01:19:54,119 should consider the older one people who carry this massive torch for it and I 1264 01:19:54,199 --> 01:19:57,159 agree with you. I prefer the knewer one. Actually, I think I 1265 01:19:57,279 --> 01:19:59,880 do. I had more fun with that than I ever did the old one, 1266 01:20:00,039 --> 01:20:02,880 even when it was of its time. To be completely honest, but 1267 01:20:03,600 --> 01:20:08,439 I do. I if I was going to be Mount Rushmore about it, 1268 01:20:08,920 --> 01:20:12,039 I think I would do that. And almost also in the spirit amount Rushmore, 1269 01:20:12,800 --> 01:20:15,800 we've done it before. Maybe we should considered x Wing. Maybe we 1270 01:20:15,840 --> 01:20:20,359 should just say, hey, it's reputation precedes it. It's obviously important. 1271 01:20:20,840 --> 01:20:26,199 People love this game, and it started this whole thing in a lot of 1272 01:20:26,239 --> 01:20:30,199 ways. It was that, along with uh Dark Forces, really kicked off 1273 01:20:30,279 --> 01:20:35,680 that era of Star Wars PC games. You're going specifically with Xwing versus Tighter. 1274 01:20:35,920 --> 01:20:39,359 I think I think I think Tye Fight is the one that people really 1275 01:20:39,600 --> 01:20:43,600 it's the first one. Also, so there's that. Yeah, so I 1276 01:20:43,640 --> 01:20:47,760 think that's interesting. Okay, thank you, I could twenty seventeen. There 1277 01:20:47,760 --> 01:20:50,399 you go. Now, I'm trying. I'm trying to like Lightning, like 1278 01:20:50,880 --> 01:20:55,000 blast Out, any other ones were missing that might be portant. I know, 1279 01:20:55,079 --> 01:20:58,800 I like that Episode three game for game Boy Advanced D. That's not 1280 01:20:58,920 --> 01:21:01,720 considered No, Yeah, I love it. I have so I want a 1281 01:21:01,760 --> 01:21:04,960 soft Spot for it. There's weird things too, like a what was the 1282 01:21:05,079 --> 01:21:10,640 desktop game with Yoda Yoda Stories? Yeah, Yoda Stories. I remember seeing 1283 01:21:10,680 --> 01:21:13,720 that cute. I remember seeing that in Spain and being like it was like 1284 01:21:13,960 --> 01:21:15,359 there was a game Boy version of it. I'm like, what the fuck 1285 01:21:15,560 --> 01:21:18,000 is this? I had no height, I never heard of it. The 1286 01:21:18,119 --> 01:21:20,880 people who know say X Wing versus Tie Fighter is the one that we should 1287 01:21:20,880 --> 01:21:25,039 do for that series. Yeah, I mean some people do say Tie Fighter 1288 01:21:25,239 --> 01:21:29,000 X versus Tie Fighter is definitely. Yeah, you know. I liked Rebels 1289 01:21:29,079 --> 01:21:31,319 Alto. I'm surprised how many people in chatter saying Rebel Assault too like that. 1290 01:21:32,399 --> 01:21:35,840 Okay, I'll be I'm gonna just say it for somebody who gets go 1291 01:21:36,039 --> 01:21:40,119 down for being for liking boomer games a lot. I don't know if I 1292 01:21:40,159 --> 01:21:42,960 could think of a more boomer game. And Rebel Assault Too, which was 1293 01:21:43,039 --> 01:21:46,279 basically an FMV game, yeah, it's like it's like got some real rough 1294 01:21:46,359 --> 01:21:53,800 effort, wow, fun FMV sequences. Yeah, consideration, I don't know 1295 01:21:53,800 --> 01:21:57,079 if we even need to do that. Look, I like Reppert there now 1296 01:21:57,119 --> 01:22:00,199 I've deleted it. There we go. Yeah, um yeah, I'm sorry. 1297 01:22:00,439 --> 01:22:03,239 Uh, there are a bunch of arts Star Wars games. I never 1298 01:22:03,319 --> 01:22:06,079 fell in love with any of them. The one I liked the most was 1299 01:22:06,119 --> 01:22:11,279 the one that was literally just Age of Empires two of a Star Wars skin, 1300 01:22:11,640 --> 01:22:14,520 which wasn't very ambitious, but it was fun. I know there's an 1301 01:22:14,560 --> 01:22:16,239 original one that some people like more, but I never cared for it. 1302 01:22:16,880 --> 01:22:21,319 Um, what about Star Wars Masters of Terrascasi. No, all right, 1303 01:22:21,359 --> 01:22:25,000 here's the list as it stands right now. Knights of the Are Republic bullet 1304 01:22:25,039 --> 01:22:29,000 pointed number one, and then for consideration, should I outcast Republic Commando, 1305 01:22:29,159 --> 01:22:32,640 Rogue Leader, Fallen Order Episode one, Racer, Star Wars Trilogy, Arcade, 1306 01:22:33,359 --> 01:22:38,079 Battlefront two, Battlefront two, and then Star Wars X Wing versus Tie 1307 01:22:38,119 --> 01:22:41,600 Fighter. Uh fours Unleashed is not gonna go up there, right, No, 1308 01:22:41,720 --> 01:22:43,640 it's not good enough. Yep, it's not. It's okay, I 1309 01:22:43,760 --> 01:22:48,600 like it, but not sniffing it. Uh, Fallen Orders a bit new, 1310 01:22:48,840 --> 01:22:51,439 not two new. I mean it's like four years now at this point. 1311 01:22:51,560 --> 01:22:56,720 Yeah, it's definitely just old enough. I think where Uh yeah, 1312 01:22:56,800 --> 01:23:00,399 there's no issue. Um, I'm surprised how many people in chatter say Jedi 1313 01:23:00,439 --> 01:23:03,640 Academy over Jedi Outcast. I really don't agree with that. As much fun 1314 01:23:03,680 --> 01:23:06,880 as Jedi Outcast is, Mike, I think I think it's I think they're 1315 01:23:06,920 --> 01:23:11,000 pretty close, but I think it's Jedi Outcast. Um, I think it's 1316 01:23:11,079 --> 01:23:14,279 Jedi. I think it's jast. Yes, yes, it's like Kyle Katarn. 1317 01:23:14,319 --> 01:23:15,720 I got to be able to play as Kyle Gatarn. It's out of 1318 01:23:15,800 --> 01:23:18,680 my OC who I think. I think that was the first time. Actually 1319 01:23:19,119 --> 01:23:21,960 I was old enough where my me, my OC just be a sexy character. 1320 01:23:23,039 --> 01:23:26,359 I think I just made a sexy girl. You. Yeah, it 1321 01:23:26,479 --> 01:23:30,279 was a formulative moment for me. Uh uh all right, Mike, I 1322 01:23:30,439 --> 01:23:32,800 got um, well, yes, I want to do this. I want 1323 01:23:32,840 --> 01:23:35,279 you to. I want you to say, which one would you most like 1324 01:23:35,319 --> 01:23:39,600 to put on there out of these ones we're considering, I mean, the 1325 01:23:39,640 --> 01:23:41,880 one I most want to put up there, the one I think should go 1326 01:23:42,000 --> 01:23:44,319 up there. Let me see if those if those are the same. Um, 1327 01:23:45,439 --> 01:23:47,000 this is tough because a lot of these kind of hover in the same 1328 01:23:47,119 --> 01:23:50,439 general area for me. But of of these, I think, I think 1329 01:23:50,479 --> 01:23:55,399 the one that I'm leaping toward most with both my brain and my heart is 1330 01:23:55,479 --> 01:24:00,399 Rogue Leader. Yeah. I love Rogue Leader. Jeff, I think it 1331 01:24:00,479 --> 01:24:06,640 represents that that kind of era really well. It was this amazing Gamecublanch game, 1332 01:24:06,680 --> 01:24:11,279 which was an amazing system. It's also part of that Star Wars Nintendo 1333 01:24:12,159 --> 01:24:15,000 sort of lineage that I think, um, it kind of helps me out 1334 01:24:15,000 --> 01:24:17,119 with like, yeah, I think that had a hof level as well. 1335 01:24:17,159 --> 01:24:19,439 One of those games had a HAWF. I mean there's you know, people, 1336 01:24:19,479 --> 01:24:23,800 if you're mad that we don't have shows of the Empire, this is 1337 01:24:23,840 --> 01:24:26,840 direct lineage of that. It's just way better, exact, way better than 1338 01:24:26,920 --> 01:24:29,560 that, right exactly. So it's like it kind of covers our bases there, 1339 01:24:29,640 --> 01:24:32,319 I feel like. And uh, I mean that's also part of the 1340 01:24:32,359 --> 01:24:35,920 lineage of Star Wars. Games are often technically amazing, like that's happened a 1341 01:24:35,960 --> 01:24:41,720 bunch of times. I mean that goes back to the Vector game and here 1342 01:24:41,760 --> 01:24:45,039 it is Rogue Leader. At that time, just nothing looked better in terms 1343 01:24:45,039 --> 01:24:48,960 of trying to mimic realistic photo realistic visuals. And yeah, I think Roge 1344 01:24:49,000 --> 01:24:51,680 Leader goes up there. I think any but nobody's mad about Rogue Leader, 1345 01:24:51,720 --> 01:24:56,359 so I know that that's right. I think that's correct. Yeah, Yeah, 1346 01:24:56,399 --> 01:24:58,880 it is the game that brings dolfins to its knees. Yeah, dolphins. 1347 01:24:59,039 --> 01:25:00,680 Yeah, it still runs rough on there. That's why. That's that 1348 01:25:00,840 --> 01:25:03,800 is the one game where I really need to get a GameCube for Um. 1349 01:25:04,119 --> 01:25:06,079 Okay, Mike, how about you? What do you want to put up 1350 01:25:06,079 --> 01:25:11,479 there? It's hard. I'll tell you. The one I want to put 1351 01:25:11,600 --> 01:25:15,279 up their most would actually be Episode one Racer. Yeah, I mean, 1352 01:25:15,960 --> 01:25:17,760 and I think in a similar vein I would want to put up Star Wars 1353 01:25:17,800 --> 01:25:24,920 Trilogy Arcade. Um. But is that is that's it's probably not our list 1354 01:25:25,039 --> 01:25:27,600 right here. No, I mean, here's the I'll be honest. Here 1355 01:25:27,640 --> 01:25:30,680 are the four that I'm actually really considering now, Okay, our Jedi Outcast, 1356 01:25:31,159 --> 01:25:38,800 Fallen Order, EPISODEE Racer, and then maybe Trilogy Arcade. Yeah. 1357 01:25:38,840 --> 01:25:41,039 When you, I mean when you put a point out that all those games 1358 01:25:41,079 --> 01:25:44,279 who are out there, I really like Trilogy Arcade and I think it's got 1359 01:25:44,479 --> 01:25:46,479 some I think it's got some potential to be up there. But I think, 1360 01:25:47,039 --> 01:25:57,640 yeah, Fallen Order and Phone Order and Jedi Outcast. Maybe here's my 1361 01:25:57,880 --> 01:26:01,119 dream. My dream to the I would like to do would be Jedi Outcast 1362 01:26:01,159 --> 01:26:08,680 in Episol one Racer. My concern becomes, it becomes a bit of Wow. 1363 01:26:08,760 --> 01:26:12,720 Those are four games from the exact same leg almost four year window, 1364 01:26:13,079 --> 01:26:17,479 and I don't know if that matters from Mountain Rushmore maybe the four very Yeah, 1365 01:26:18,079 --> 01:26:21,640 they're there, Yes, I still they represent a breadth of Star Wars 1366 01:26:21,680 --> 01:26:25,920 in a different way. It's also more like the Four Horsemen of Star Wars 1367 01:26:26,039 --> 01:26:30,920 games than the Mountain Rushmore. Yeah, which, which one's famine? Um 1368 01:26:31,560 --> 01:26:34,079 okay, let's see, let's start getting rest on of these other ones that 1369 01:26:34,159 --> 01:26:36,960 we're not gonna put up there. We're probably not actually gonna put a battlefront 1370 01:26:38,000 --> 01:26:41,600 up there. Huh No, I'm sorry, I just uh, neither of 1371 01:26:41,680 --> 01:26:45,680 them, not really, And I feel worse about X versus Tie Fighter. 1372 01:26:45,159 --> 01:26:48,680 That's a blind spot on us and we were we should try to remedy that, 1373 01:26:48,960 --> 01:26:51,520 but before this same time next year, Jeff, how about that? 1374 01:26:53,119 --> 01:26:55,800 Yes, that sounds great. Yeah. I would really, you know, 1375 01:26:56,119 --> 01:26:58,680 make something of made the fourth and actually play a game, but I'll do 1376 01:26:58,800 --> 01:27:01,119 it soon because I really want to play those games. And Republic Commando is 1377 01:27:01,159 --> 01:27:04,439 just not as good as a first person shooter Star Wars game as Jedi Outcast 1378 01:27:04,560 --> 01:27:09,880 is. Yeah. Um okay, So we have Nights to the Republic and 1379 01:27:09,960 --> 01:27:12,279 Rogue Leader up there, and we're feeling pretty good about those. We have 1380 01:27:12,319 --> 01:27:15,560 two slots left and we have Jedi Outcast, Fallen Order Episode one, Racer 1381 01:27:15,600 --> 01:27:20,800 in Star Wars Trilogy arcade. I um, even Star Wars Trilogy arcade. 1382 01:27:20,840 --> 01:27:24,680 I mean that's not from like some completely different era. That was just a 1383 01:27:24,760 --> 01:27:28,239 few years before many of these. Not even that's around the same exa. 1384 01:27:30,319 --> 01:27:32,079 That is the golden era, man. That is when Star Wars games just 1385 01:27:32,319 --> 01:27:36,159 absolutely ruled. There were so many of them, and not all of them 1386 01:27:36,279 --> 01:27:43,920 hit, but a lot of them hit like crazy. Um okay, which 1387 01:27:43,960 --> 01:27:48,520 one definitely I again because like chat is still freaking out about it. I 1388 01:27:49,239 --> 01:27:54,399 was there, Jeff, I was there too. Battlefront games were not that 1389 01:27:54,680 --> 01:28:00,039 big a deal, right, Yeah. I guess when people in my I 1390 01:28:00,079 --> 01:28:01,479 guess there's everybody five or ten years younger. For us, that was their 1391 01:28:01,560 --> 01:28:05,640 life. Yeah, apparently apparently for everyone who's like twenty five right now, 1392 01:28:06,279 --> 01:28:11,000 that was the game. And it's oh, okay, I guess I guess, 1393 01:28:11,039 --> 01:28:14,159 so right, say that doesn't matter what Batters is now. Okay, 1394 01:28:14,159 --> 01:28:17,640 well, now they're just those games, but whatever. I don't know. 1395 01:28:18,439 --> 01:28:24,960 I was there, Uh no, no, And that didn't mean to like, 1396 01:28:25,039 --> 01:28:27,840 of course always, it doesn't just mean that I'm this is just a 1397 01:28:27,920 --> 01:28:30,640 general thing. I am surprised because again, like I'm gonna look it up 1398 01:28:30,720 --> 01:28:33,960 right now, what's the metacritic on the original Star Wars battle for two? 1399 01:28:34,000 --> 01:28:38,279 And again that's not like that's not the sale and all of the game's quality, 1400 01:28:38,800 --> 01:28:44,319 I know, but I just never like on PC it's a seventy eight 1401 01:28:45,359 --> 01:28:47,920 the two thousand and five battle Front two. You know, that's just like 1402 01:28:48,000 --> 01:28:51,720 where like sixty four player battles. That's pretty cool, and it's a lot 1403 01:28:51,800 --> 01:28:57,199 of it's basically bag I mean, not too far. Yeah, it's like 1404 01:28:57,319 --> 01:29:00,119 a PlayStation two. It's it's an eighty four, which is like a good 1405 01:29:00,199 --> 01:29:04,079 score good score an Xbox it's a eighty three. Like that's that's just what 1406 01:29:04,199 --> 01:29:06,720 I remember it as as an eighty four is an eighty three. So I'm 1407 01:29:06,720 --> 01:29:10,560 always shocked how many people it's like that is one of my favorite games. 1408 01:29:13,319 --> 01:29:15,600 We're not putting it up there, Um okay, because we have too many 1409 01:29:15,600 --> 01:29:17,920 other games that we really do want to put up there. Um yeah, 1410 01:29:18,000 --> 01:29:20,399 that's where we're at. Sorry, everybody, I'll tell you which one is 1411 01:29:20,399 --> 01:29:23,600 looking more important to get up there. To me, is Jedi Outcast. 1412 01:29:23,680 --> 01:29:27,479 That's kind of like it's gotta be something in that first person lineage has to 1413 01:29:27,520 --> 01:29:30,720 be represented here. Yeah, I think Jedi Outcast does go up. And 1414 01:29:30,800 --> 01:29:35,600 then I think Katarn is such a homie. I listen. I think Racer 1415 01:29:36,600 --> 01:29:39,600 I would it would be okay, I would be okay with Racer. I 1416 01:29:39,720 --> 01:29:43,479 do think actually Star Wars Trill Jarcade rounds out this list more and then we 1417 01:29:43,560 --> 01:29:45,000 live a phone order, but I think we do leave a phone order. 1418 01:29:45,000 --> 01:29:48,800 I think pallone orders left off. I think Jedioutcast kind of also represents like 1419 01:29:48,960 --> 01:29:55,239 the Jedi game exactly better than fallone Order does. Uh. I don't know, 1420 01:29:55,359 --> 01:29:58,000 Jeff, I wan Racer on there more than Arcade. I mean, 1421 01:29:58,039 --> 01:30:00,039 I know you do. I really I really like Race. I mean they're 1422 01:30:00,079 --> 01:30:02,880 listen, they're both they both kind of like bring a different flavor up to 1423 01:30:02,960 --> 01:30:05,439 that list. They both they either one of these could be the Roosevelt. 1424 01:30:06,159 --> 01:30:11,000 Um. Did we see what Chat thinks if it's episode one Race services Star 1425 01:30:11,039 --> 01:30:13,600 Wars trilogy or Yeah, I think I'm okay with that. That's a good 1426 01:30:13,720 --> 01:30:15,439 want to say, Okay, Chat, here's your chance to it's mad at 1427 01:30:15,520 --> 01:30:18,000 us we'll get let's see if they think about this at least. Yes, 1428 01:30:18,279 --> 01:30:21,439 here's your chance to weigh in and actually shape this list. And uh, 1429 01:30:23,239 --> 01:30:25,960 I'm not gonna make a Q and A because then I know what you would 1430 01:30:26,000 --> 01:30:29,439 put. I'm just gonna give you two options. Episode one, racers or 1431 01:30:29,760 --> 01:30:34,600 people. Some people are boycotting the pole because they're so bad about battle Okay, 1432 01:30:34,640 --> 01:30:38,520 I can't believe. Okay, we are. We're gonna have a Battlefront 1433 01:30:38,520 --> 01:30:40,920 two night. We got We'll figure it out. Whatever it takes to make 1434 01:30:40,960 --> 01:30:42,680 that happen. I don't know what it what it will take. If that's 1435 01:30:42,720 --> 01:30:46,680 possible that we'll play Battlefront two with you guys, we'll play Battlefront to us. 1436 01:30:49,239 --> 01:30:57,600 You kinda tickles bad they are again, Man, that's just that game 1437 01:30:57,680 --> 01:31:00,680 got a big glow. You think did some of the happened because they rebooted 1438 01:31:00,760 --> 01:31:03,479 it and it was different? Is that why some people are indignant? And 1439 01:31:03,600 --> 01:31:06,800 like, I think it's part of it down on the old ones. Racer's 1440 01:31:06,800 --> 01:31:10,680 got a big lead with thirty one votes, so I think it's probably gonna 1441 01:31:10,720 --> 01:31:15,279 be racer. Hell yeah, my racer homies, guess thank you chat like 1442 01:31:15,439 --> 01:31:21,840 no one vote. Oh it was good when it came out and Catchet Mikes 1443 01:31:21,880 --> 01:31:25,239 has Battlefort two is such a boober game. Yeah, how that's about a 1444 01:31:25,279 --> 01:31:29,199 boomer game. By the way, battle Front two is a boomer game now 1445 01:31:30,000 --> 01:31:32,439 because there's like a whole new Battlefront that came out and like a boer game 1446 01:31:32,720 --> 01:31:36,319 like this when things were better when I was a kid. It's the most 1447 01:31:36,439 --> 01:31:41,000 boomer take you can possibly have, you know what? You know? Oh, 1448 01:31:41,039 --> 01:31:43,159 this is gonna get a bet Oh I'm gonna getting really mad, you 1449 01:31:43,199 --> 01:31:45,960 know what? Like was that Lord of the Riggs game that those people made 1450 01:31:46,000 --> 01:31:58,159 that no one liked? Kind of liked that game at Okay? Who there 1451 01:31:58,239 --> 01:32:01,760 we go mount more of Star Wars games, Knights of the Old Republic, 1452 01:32:01,960 --> 01:32:08,000 Rogue Leader, Jedi Outcasts, and Star Wars Episode one Racer. These are 1453 01:32:08,119 --> 01:32:13,159 probably my four favorite Star Wars games. Like absolutely, so, I guite 1454 01:32:13,239 --> 01:32:16,000 I'm happy with it, that's for sure. It isn't he If Mikey ain't 1455 01:32:16,039 --> 01:32:20,920 happy, nobody's happy. Family said. That's what we also say here. 1456 01:32:21,039 --> 01:32:25,479 Now, I'm shocked that people are way more upset about Battlefront than even like 1457 01:32:25,720 --> 01:32:28,600 x Wing. I thought x Wing would be the problem. Xwing actually is 1458 01:32:28,680 --> 01:32:32,760 boomer and these here old kids, So yeah, actual boomers will get mad 1459 01:32:32,800 --> 01:32:36,199 at no type fire Jesse's are right, none of you are going to tell 1460 01:32:36,199 --> 01:32:39,840 me these are any of these are bad games, so no, of course, 1461 01:32:39,920 --> 01:32:43,399 not any thing. These are all very iconic in terms of Star Wars. 1462 01:32:44,000 --> 01:32:46,640 Um Let's yeah, Nights of the Republic is yeah, I mean, 1463 01:32:46,680 --> 01:32:48,960 and they're like a lot of them are like different eras, right because like 1464 01:32:49,079 --> 01:32:55,680 rogue Leaders, kind of original trilogy, I guess, Jedi Outcasts, Yeah, 1465 01:32:55,840 --> 01:32:59,039 Jediocast is like a sig story. We forgot to include a singul trilogy 1466 01:32:59,119 --> 01:33:02,119 game, you know, swoops. Actually any of those except kind of Battlefront 1467 01:33:02,159 --> 01:33:06,279 two. Yeah, kind of that's weird. What a weird thing that they 1468 01:33:06,399 --> 01:33:10,680 messed up so bad that there weren't like a ton. I mean they're making 1469 01:33:10,720 --> 01:33:13,800 a ton now, but in hand weird? All right, one more time 1470 01:33:13,840 --> 01:33:16,680 next to the other Republic rogue Leader, Jedi Outcast, and your Roosevelt of 1471 01:33:16,920 --> 01:33:21,640 the week Star Wars episode one race here there you go, everybody, Thank 1472 01:33:21,680 --> 01:33:26,600 you for your input, uh and go go fun. Battle Front two is 1473 01:33:26,600 --> 01:33:30,199 what I'll say, Yeah, go to hell. Thanks you for watching a 1474 01:33:30,319 --> 01:33:34,279 good at it. People are getting more and more mad at us as these 1475 01:33:34,439 --> 01:33:36,119 I don't much for us. Go on and I love it. I know 1476 01:33:36,239 --> 01:33:39,920 me too. It's one of my favorite things. All right, Uh, 1477 01:33:40,119 --> 01:33:42,520 what we'd like? You good to go right into what we've been playing. 1478 01:33:44,079 --> 01:33:45,800 Did you even read the podcast producers write anything? Did you read any of 1479 01:33:45,880 --> 01:33:48,199 that? Oh? They did, and I didn't. I'm sorry, buddy, 1480 01:33:48,439 --> 01:33:50,239 Sean did do that? Well, you know what? My bad. 1481 01:33:50,520 --> 01:33:54,600 I didn't put it up, so I forgot about it. That's that's how 1482 01:33:54,600 --> 01:33:59,359 it goes. Sometimes everyone understands what Jeffy's like. Is there if a bunch 1483 01:33:59,359 --> 01:34:00,720 of people say out of front two and there, I'm still not gonna put 1484 01:34:00,760 --> 01:34:02,760 it on the list. I mean, could I could reculd read some of 1485 01:34:02,840 --> 01:34:04,840 it? Now, that's fine? All right, sure, let's let's do 1486 01:34:04,920 --> 01:34:06,920 that and then we'll do the super Chance and then we'll do what we've been 1487 01:34:06,920 --> 01:34:09,720 playing. All right? Let me yeah, so I either serve time, 1488 01:34:09,760 --> 01:34:12,760 We're still time, jeff It's it's right. Here's like Jeremy Biff says, 1489 01:34:12,880 --> 01:34:16,039 Jedi Phone Order and Star Wars Connect Lego, Star Wars Discar. Do people 1490 01:34:16,439 --> 01:34:21,319 are people joking about Star Wars Connect? No? Because it has that iconic 1491 01:34:21,399 --> 01:34:27,000 consolo song that we I thought everyone got really mad about that. I see 1492 01:34:27,039 --> 01:34:30,119 a lot of most people now know it's a joke. Lanny Cool Diick Denver 1493 01:34:30,239 --> 01:34:33,600 says Rogue Leader on Gink. You still looks good to this day. I 1494 01:34:33,640 --> 01:34:38,199 agree with that. Tiers of mcbask of the mcbasketball, says Nicer Republican. 1495 01:34:38,239 --> 01:34:42,800 That was one racer, so there's actually a surprisingly large amount of epso one 1496 01:34:42,880 --> 01:34:45,800 racer, so that's pretty I mean, it really crushed in that pulse, 1497 01:34:45,800 --> 01:34:48,359 so I'm like not surprised. Now, Jedi Wolf, this man, Mike, 1498 01:34:48,439 --> 01:34:54,319 you really ignored og Battlefront. Why do we listen to them? It's 1499 01:34:54,359 --> 01:35:00,640 incredible. J Jay Cheryl says Star Wars Yoda stories the my sleeper of Star 1500 01:35:00,680 --> 01:35:04,000 Wars games. But in all serious seriousness, the Dark Forces Jedda Night series 1501 01:35:04,000 --> 01:35:08,399 has always been the pinnacle Star Wars games for me. Bringing Star Wars into 1502 01:35:08,479 --> 01:35:12,319 an FPS and then adding let's saber battles and force abilities as a series progress 1503 01:35:12,760 --> 01:35:14,800 brought the world of Star Wars a life for me as a kid. It 1504 01:35:14,920 --> 01:35:17,800 is fun how that series progress from being a peer first perscuator by the end 1505 01:35:17,880 --> 01:35:21,359 being a pure lightsaber game with really no guns as far as I could remember. 1506 01:35:23,640 --> 01:35:26,479 We should put the Yoda Tomagotchi up there. I really like that. 1507 01:35:26,560 --> 01:35:28,800 When I was a kid, I had a tomagotchi that was just Yoda and 1508 01:35:28,840 --> 01:35:31,439 he pooped and I had to clean it up. Jedi or Jedia Will five 1509 01:35:31,439 --> 01:35:34,359 says jediphone. Order has to be on there. It was the Arkham Asylum 1510 01:35:34,399 --> 01:35:38,319 moment for Star Wars. That necessarily agree with that, because the whole thing 1511 01:35:38,359 --> 01:35:42,880 of Parkham Assigned was the Arkham Asylum moment because we had decades of bad Batman 1512 01:35:43,000 --> 01:35:46,720 games until then. Really, there were plenty of good Star Wars games before 1513 01:35:46,800 --> 01:35:49,520 that. I mean, it's it's it's similar to darkhamsign when that the book 1514 01:35:49,560 --> 01:35:55,319 sort of three D Metroid Vanyas sheer Miro says, this is the episode nine 1515 01:35:55,399 --> 01:36:00,680 of lists. Um Oh Musubi says Star Wars shots the Empire for the simple 1516 01:36:00,720 --> 01:36:03,960 reason that it was the first Star Wars game to less experience the battle of 1517 01:36:04,039 --> 01:36:09,279 half and three D. Actually, I think Super Empire Strikes Back has a 1518 01:36:09,399 --> 01:36:14,279 Mode seven half level, so that kind of counts right. Yeah, definitely. 1519 01:36:15,479 --> 01:36:16,920 Wow. Bob says he missed up. He scuffed it up for a 1520 01:36:16,920 --> 01:36:20,000 reason. Jeff at the narrating was all according to the plan. Wow. 1521 01:36:21,520 --> 01:36:25,319 Whatever, the CPS says, I sense a great disturbance in the force, 1522 01:36:25,640 --> 01:36:29,600 the dark side of nostalgia clouds. Everything was six out of ten at best 1523 01:36:29,760 --> 01:36:32,199 Boomer Games. The only good part of the Chafts of the Empire was the 1524 01:36:32,279 --> 01:36:36,960 first level Dark Forces was a mid doom clone coat or two was the cyber 1525 01:36:38,000 --> 01:36:40,920 Puck twenty seventy seven of the today these art that games you're looking for, 1526 01:36:41,279 --> 01:36:44,800 we didn't pick any of those games. I am surprised. Like even here 1527 01:36:44,840 --> 01:36:48,439 there's a little like it's pretty split between Jedi outcasts and Jedi Academy. That 1528 01:36:48,600 --> 01:36:53,640 seems I feel like we hit something of a larger debate here with that. 1529 01:36:54,520 --> 01:37:00,800 But tons of people saying Coultre episode one racer is showing up actually quite a 1530 01:37:00,880 --> 01:37:02,800 lot, which is good to see. You all have pretty good taste. 1531 01:37:02,800 --> 01:37:06,520 Actually, I like all of you a fud SEC did say Chelsea Empire for 1532 01:37:06,600 --> 01:37:11,199 the first twoish hours only since I can never get past IG eighty eight. 1533 01:37:11,279 --> 01:37:14,840 That was a tough, a tough boss. Two minutes ago, Turbishwan said 1534 01:37:14,840 --> 01:37:18,960 Battlefront two. Weirdly, that's weird. You need to do that. That 1535 01:37:19,119 --> 01:37:26,680 still tickles you are so clearly on the same page in the heart like somebody, 1536 01:37:26,680 --> 01:37:30,399 you guys talking about it, you didn't see. I definitely remember. 1537 01:37:30,479 --> 01:37:31,199 People are like, oh yeah, I play that game a lot. And 1538 01:37:31,279 --> 01:37:34,000 even then there was like kind of I don't know, it was a little 1539 01:37:34,039 --> 01:37:38,560 bit of a guilty pleasure, it felt like, but okay, maybe not. 1540 01:37:38,720 --> 01:37:41,239 I guess. Yeah. Now people like that was a game of the 1541 01:37:41,439 --> 01:37:44,359 year. I'm like, I was there. No, it wasn't No. 1542 01:37:44,399 --> 01:37:47,079 One game of the year centered it. Nobody talked about it like that. 1543 01:37:47,239 --> 01:37:51,520 The Bud Sachs says, A shadows the Empire for the first two shours, 1544 01:37:51,560 --> 01:37:54,520 and I'm like, yeah, I'll put the first two hours just a second 1545 01:37:54,560 --> 01:37:57,520 ago. Sorry, I'm yeah, ignored you. I was trying to actually 1546 01:37:57,520 --> 01:38:04,680 find this page. I would put the first two show up there before whatever 1547 01:38:04,720 --> 01:38:10,520 the hell game they're talking Battlefront two. There we go, Okay, you 1548 01:38:10,680 --> 01:38:13,840 might there I was I'm thirty eight. Oh wait, I'm thirty six. 1549 01:38:13,920 --> 01:38:16,960 How old am I was? That's how old I am? I don't know 1550 01:38:17,039 --> 01:38:20,199 how old I am? H Mike, do we have any super chance? 1551 01:38:20,279 --> 01:38:23,760 There's probably super chants that relate to this as well, so you want to 1552 01:38:23,800 --> 01:38:27,279 get to those. Yeah, let's see here now. B Travian says, 1553 01:38:27,359 --> 01:38:30,039 balls are stored in my mouth. Excuse me, wait a second. Okay, 1554 01:38:30,359 --> 01:38:36,039 he space. He didn't say my mouth. He said balls are stored 1555 01:38:36,079 --> 01:38:42,479 at the mouth. Sorry about that trap. It doesn't have to be his. 1556 01:38:42,800 --> 01:38:46,439 Oh my god? Why do people listen to this show to yell at 1557 01:38:46,520 --> 01:38:51,479 us about Battlefront two, the most popular game of two thousand and five? 1558 01:38:54,159 --> 01:38:57,520 The Unturned Wolf says, is Matt Booty good at his job? I say, 1559 01:38:57,840 --> 01:39:00,039 not really. I mean, I don't do performance reviews over there. 1560 01:39:00,079 --> 01:39:04,239 I honestly have no idea. It seems like, I'll say, what I've 1561 01:39:04,239 --> 01:39:08,840 heard is it's not like he's a person has some grand vision or anything. 1562 01:39:08,920 --> 01:39:12,600 But maybe that's not his job either, So I don't know. Let's see 1563 01:39:12,640 --> 01:39:16,279 here now. Georgie says, always second before that, we had funky Monk 1564 01:39:16,279 --> 01:39:20,399 says, where's the next gen version of Minecraft? At yeah? Good point? 1565 01:39:20,520 --> 01:39:23,800 Remember when they were going to do like that, They're gonna do the 1566 01:39:24,560 --> 01:39:28,359 HD Minecraft and then they canceled that after years or whatever, and then they're 1567 01:39:28,359 --> 01:39:30,439 like, now we're gonna do the ray tracing one, and they actually did 1568 01:39:30,520 --> 01:39:33,439 release that, But then they've been promising a next gen Minecraft for a long 1569 01:39:33,520 --> 01:39:35,640 time too, I think, and they never put it out. It's weird. 1570 01:39:35,680 --> 01:39:40,760 I don't know why they do that. Georgie says, like, Plague 1571 01:39:40,800 --> 01:39:45,239 Tail your question mark, Starfield has thirty and forty fps, question mark. 1572 01:39:45,560 --> 01:39:46,640 Something's a little bit lost here. But I think he's trying to say, 1573 01:39:46,680 --> 01:39:50,479 you know, Plaquetail came out thirty aps, right, Um, so maybe 1574 01:39:50,520 --> 01:39:56,319 it's like, maybe, oh, Starfield came two, Plaquetail was Plague Tail. 1575 01:39:57,000 --> 01:39:59,920 Some people like that game. We sure have moved on from that already, 1576 01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:01,479 though, Huh yeah, I mean some people are like really into it, 1577 01:40:01,640 --> 01:40:04,840 but um it was also some people are really into Battlefront two apparent, 1578 01:40:05,119 --> 01:40:10,279 Jeff, and neither of them are our first party mix Xbox games that would 1579 01:40:10,319 --> 01:40:15,439 have deserved to have more resources part into it. So yeah. Uh Tango 1580 01:40:15,560 --> 01:40:18,439 Ray says, just got my tickets for a w allwin Fellas. I can't 1581 01:40:18,479 --> 01:40:20,920 wait. I'm taking my dad and uncle with me to London for the show. 1582 01:40:21,359 --> 01:40:25,600 Time to learn about the British No, now I wonder where he's from. 1583 01:40:25,640 --> 01:40:28,680 Hey, have fun. I was at the first all in in Chicago 1584 01:40:28,760 --> 01:40:30,359 what feels like forever ago. Now, it was a great time. You're 1585 01:40:30,399 --> 01:40:34,960 gonna be at that giant soccer state and what wimbley wimbley not Wimbledon. Not 1586 01:40:35,079 --> 01:40:39,920 Wimbledon, that's a that's a tennis that's a tennis place. Yeah, so 1587 01:40:40,079 --> 01:40:43,359 hey have a lot of fun ten ten goals. Says also Jeff More iron 1588 01:40:43,439 --> 01:40:45,600 Man Game News. Please dear lord Man, I haven't thought about that game 1589 01:40:45,640 --> 01:40:48,399 in a while. Yeah, I mean it's just still pretty early on. 1590 01:40:48,560 --> 01:40:54,079 That's just the reality. But I'll see what I can dig up. Gerriotegado 1591 01:40:54,159 --> 01:40:58,039 says, do you think we ever see cow and Crewe in a Star Wars 1592 01:40:58,399 --> 01:41:01,479 movie? It would be too hard, Like that is just an actor who 1593 01:41:01,880 --> 01:41:05,880 has been digitized to be Cow, Like he could just play that character in 1594 01:41:06,039 --> 01:41:10,960 something. The problem is, like I haven't Beatenjy Survivor. I assume there's 1595 01:41:11,000 --> 01:41:14,359 going to be a third game also, so they kind of need to be 1596 01:41:14,439 --> 01:41:16,520 a bit nebulous still because they don't want to write the game creators in a 1597 01:41:16,600 --> 01:41:19,800 corner with anything by having them appear in something else. Yeah, for sure. 1598 01:41:21,439 --> 01:41:25,199 El Gregg says, what did Fall in Order get on Metacritic? It's 1599 01:41:25,199 --> 01:41:27,800 like a it's oddly low. It's like a seventy eight or seventy nine. 1600 01:41:27,920 --> 01:41:31,960 Yeah, that sounds and that was definitely deemed for performance and bugs. Yeah, 1601 01:41:32,520 --> 01:41:36,720 I'm not being like in like for being a front soft sort of loan 1602 01:41:36,800 --> 01:41:40,239 and not not the best one of those. Like it's got a lot of 1603 01:41:40,239 --> 01:41:44,520 stuff going against the critical review period. For sure, I still love it. 1604 01:41:45,800 --> 01:41:49,239 Ed Kivin says, does this episode counts as a holiday podcast? Yes? 1605 01:41:50,000 --> 01:41:53,000 Yes, yep, so you can. You can write it off on 1606 01:41:53,079 --> 01:41:56,039 your taxes. I don't know if that's what Jeff I think, Pennis to 1607 01:41:56,039 --> 01:41:58,439 go outside. How about we take one more break and then we're gonna take 1608 01:41:58,479 --> 01:42:00,920 one more break everybody. When we come back, we will talk about what 1609 01:42:00,039 --> 01:42:05,279 we've been playing. Be right back. We're back and we've been playing games. 1610 01:42:05,359 --> 01:42:09,039 We talked a little bit about Red Fall. I haven't played much more 1611 01:42:09,119 --> 01:42:12,359 since we've talked on Tuesday, but just to bring it here real quick, 1612 01:42:12,600 --> 01:42:15,319 it's not very good. I don't like it. I'm not going to play 1613 01:42:15,399 --> 01:42:18,159 much more, but I don't think Mike, Yeah, there's like I almost 1614 01:42:18,199 --> 01:42:21,920 have a morbid curiosity. There's almost like a man that I really disliked that 1615 01:42:21,920 --> 01:42:25,800 as much as I did, because it is this thing where like even when 1616 01:42:25,840 --> 01:42:29,159 I see people say it's fine, I almost do a double take and I'm 1617 01:42:29,159 --> 01:42:31,000 not trying to come out there anybody specific or if you like the game, 1618 01:42:31,119 --> 01:42:35,000 that's fine. You know. It's like at that point in me though, 1619 01:42:35,039 --> 01:42:39,640 it's like, man, if this isn't below acceptable, I don't know it 1620 01:42:39,880 --> 01:42:42,640 is. It's kind of where I am with it. Yeah, it was. 1621 01:42:42,680 --> 01:42:45,479 I kind of want to understand it more because of that. Right, 1622 01:42:45,520 --> 01:42:50,399 if this isn't a two star or lower game than there is, probably aren't 1623 01:42:50,560 --> 01:42:54,560 very many of those ever gonna at least at this like triple A level, 1624 01:42:54,680 --> 01:42:59,560 right exactly, Yes, um, yeah, so yeah, I might play 1625 01:42:59,640 --> 01:43:02,199 small player on UPF tomorrow. I mean that continues to be the plan. 1626 01:43:02,319 --> 01:43:04,439 We'll see. So I guess I will be playing a little bit more of 1627 01:43:04,479 --> 01:43:06,079 it, but maybe ILL cut back. I'll be like, yeah, I 1628 01:43:06,119 --> 01:43:11,039 guess it's fine multiplayer even then, I expect that to be. I played 1629 01:43:11,079 --> 01:43:15,640 in a multiplayer Atennant Hope. It kind of made things worse because the difficulty 1630 01:43:15,680 --> 01:43:18,079 than it seemed to scale, so, like the fights lasted even shorter, 1631 01:43:18,199 --> 01:43:21,680 so there's even less to do. Like sometimes my brothers would just fire the 1632 01:43:21,760 --> 01:43:26,399 guns three times and all the enemies would be dead and I didn't get to 1633 01:43:26,479 --> 01:43:29,960 do anything. And that's the only thing to really do in the game is 1634 01:43:29,960 --> 01:43:32,279 to fight fight things. So oh yeah, that's the only percent the only 1635 01:43:32,319 --> 01:43:35,680 thing to do. Yep, what I could see. Um, then I 1636 01:43:36,439 --> 01:43:41,359 started Jet Or Red and start, but I've been continuing Star Wars Jet Survivor. 1637 01:43:41,560 --> 01:43:44,760 I really, I'm really liking it. I'm still pretty early in the 1638 01:43:44,800 --> 01:43:47,199 game. I'm definitely in that first third that people that many people talk about, 1639 01:43:47,520 --> 01:43:50,199 Oh you know, it gets going way more after that first third. 1640 01:43:50,319 --> 01:43:53,720 I'm in that first third and I'm love but I'm have no issue. I'm 1641 01:43:53,760 --> 01:43:58,000 exploring stuff. I have heard that one of the recommendations people give you is 1642 01:43:58,079 --> 01:44:02,399 to push through that that that critical path early on and don't do as much 1643 01:44:02,399 --> 01:44:06,159 exploring because you're going to come up to a lot of doors that are you 1644 01:44:06,239 --> 01:44:09,800 know, ability locked, and you're gonna have to get those abilities to actually 1645 01:44:09,880 --> 01:44:13,079 get past them. So there's kind of not too much point to explore early 1646 01:44:13,119 --> 01:44:16,560 on. Although I'm still doing something that's a classic Metroidvania thing where it is 1647 01:44:16,640 --> 01:44:21,439 sometimes better to do the critical path till almost the end and then like right 1648 01:44:21,439 --> 01:44:25,880 before you fight the final bus, then go back everywhere and get all the 1649 01:44:25,960 --> 01:44:29,680 stuff. Now that you know you have everything. I think I will probably 1650 01:44:29,760 --> 01:44:32,319 do something pretty pretty swear here. I started it last night and got to 1651 01:44:32,359 --> 01:44:35,039 play for a few hours. How you liking it, I'm liking it a 1652 01:44:35,119 --> 01:44:41,640 lot. I think some of them like additional acreability, maneuverability. That stuff 1653 01:44:41,680 --> 01:44:45,520 feels well, really good. The game does look gorgeous a lot. I 1654 01:44:45,640 --> 01:44:49,239 like that opening chorus on section just because it is so dense. It looks 1655 01:44:49,279 --> 01:44:53,079 really good. It is kind of like that, it's like that promise of 1656 01:44:53,199 --> 01:44:55,840 that what thirteen thirteen game or whatever. A little bit. Yeah, I 1657 01:44:55,920 --> 01:44:58,680 mean it's literally the corres On Underground. I'm like, oh wow, this 1658 01:44:58,840 --> 01:45:00,359 is like what we always thought that game might look like, and here it 1659 01:45:00,520 --> 01:45:04,359 is. It's real and it does look really good. I am a little 1660 01:45:04,399 --> 01:45:10,000 dismayed by some of the performance stuff. Sure what are you playing on PlayStation 1661 01:45:10,119 --> 01:45:13,199 five? And I thought there was a patch and I like, there is 1662 01:45:13,239 --> 01:45:15,880 sure it was like up to dates and even I was still seeing a lot 1663 01:45:15,920 --> 01:45:20,000 of drops sometime. I feel like I noticed the framin us more after the 1664 01:45:20,079 --> 01:45:25,119 patch un performance, So that could be you know, placebo. There could 1665 01:45:25,119 --> 01:45:28,159 be a million things there. But if I had, if you had to 1666 01:45:28,199 --> 01:45:30,279 like put a good in my hands to say it was it better or worse. 1667 01:45:30,279 --> 01:45:32,039 I think it's worse now, so who knows. Yeah, And it 1668 01:45:32,159 --> 01:45:35,399 is that thing like these games look so good now that when something does happen, 1669 01:45:35,520 --> 01:45:40,840 like your AI companion like starts walking into like a wall, like sticks 1670 01:45:40,880 --> 01:45:43,159 out even more than it did back in the day in some world. Wait, 1671 01:45:43,600 --> 01:45:45,840 it just little things like you know, there's a lot of we're transitioning 1672 01:45:45,880 --> 01:45:51,159 between gameplay to a story sequence, and it doesn't do that seamlessly like an 1673 01:45:51,239 --> 01:45:56,680 uncharted man, right, and especially because like if you're running in performance mode, 1674 01:45:57,039 --> 01:46:01,399 those sequences which are in engine cutsceneans, they're still gonna like drop down 1675 01:46:01,439 --> 01:46:05,439 to like twenty four frames per second, and that is darting weird looking, 1676 01:46:05,680 --> 01:46:09,800 that's weird when you see all the same stuff just a second ago, it's 1677 01:46:10,439 --> 01:46:13,560 you know, forty five to sixty frames per second, right, So I 1678 01:46:13,600 --> 01:46:15,520 don't think that was the right choice. But like that's that's basically all the 1679 01:46:15,520 --> 01:46:20,000 stuff I don't like. Everything else is really fun. Uh, you know, 1680 01:46:20,079 --> 01:46:23,439 these characters are great. I like this whole kind of home base area 1681 01:46:23,520 --> 01:46:26,880 you have outside of the ship, like that cantina. I think that's a 1682 01:46:26,960 --> 01:46:30,119 lot of fun. This sort of characters that populate that area. There's kind 1683 01:46:30,159 --> 01:46:32,800 of a bit of a like a little early twist with some stuff happening that 1684 01:46:32,840 --> 01:46:38,560 I wasn't expecting that sneatum. Hey like a fun little thing. That cosmetic 1685 01:46:38,600 --> 01:46:41,319 shop. And when I say cosmetic shop, I don't mean like spend real 1686 01:46:41,439 --> 01:46:44,239 money. I mean, yeah, you can buy some closest stuff. And 1687 01:46:44,520 --> 01:46:46,880 one of them is very clearly just dash Render's outfit, and the other one, 1688 01:46:46,960 --> 01:46:50,279 I'm pretty sure it's like a cow qatarn it's fired outfit. So that's 1689 01:46:50,359 --> 01:46:54,159 really cool. That made me really happy to see. Yeah, there's there's 1690 01:46:54,159 --> 01:46:56,279 a lot of stuff like that in this game, and there's been a lot 1691 01:46:56,279 --> 01:46:59,960 of customization and it's um and you can make look you can make cal Cass 1692 01:47:00,000 --> 01:47:02,039 just looked real dumb. I'm a big fan of that. So I'm gonna 1693 01:47:02,039 --> 01:47:05,039 do a lot of that. Yeah, Like I can't quite make him look 1694 01:47:05,079 --> 01:47:11,239 done because I'm too much of a of a what no fun fanboy, That's 1695 01:47:11,279 --> 01:47:13,279 what they always say about me, Like I so wanted to look cool, 1696 01:47:13,359 --> 01:47:15,279 but I'll make him look like that shred and dark. That's neat. Yeah, 1697 01:47:15,359 --> 01:47:17,439 that is neat, And maybe it's just the style is in too. 1698 01:47:18,039 --> 01:47:20,399 Um, I'm totally gonna give them the mallet the second I get it, 1699 01:47:20,479 --> 01:47:23,960 Mike, that's what I'm see. I'm the I got them allet. And 1700 01:47:24,039 --> 01:47:26,680 I was like, nope, so I'm the opposite of you. I got 1701 01:47:27,520 --> 01:47:30,439 to check it out. If there's a part where some sink, like it's 1702 01:47:30,520 --> 01:47:33,640 quicksand. Did you get to a quicksand area that sounds familiar. Yeah, 1703 01:47:34,000 --> 01:47:36,520 you could only kind of gone over them and pass them behind something. And 1704 01:47:36,560 --> 01:47:40,479 there was a chest I think that had them allet there. I'll check it 1705 01:47:40,520 --> 01:47:42,960 out. Yeah. I was like, no, I'm not putting this on. 1706 01:47:43,199 --> 01:47:45,079 I think I got the only thing I did. I am kind of 1707 01:47:45,119 --> 01:47:47,840 blamed with that stuff in general. Like it's like, here's all the different 1708 01:47:47,840 --> 01:47:50,800 ways you can customize your lightsaber, and I'm like, yeah, it looks 1709 01:47:50,880 --> 01:47:55,520 fine right now. Well, I'm kind of a lightsaber. I guess I 1710 01:47:55,560 --> 01:47:58,399 haven't unlocked a ton of stuff in the lightsaber. But there's not like there's 1711 01:47:58,520 --> 01:48:00,199 you know, ten options per opponent or whatever it is. You like, 1712 01:48:00,239 --> 01:48:04,000 the lightsabers in five pieces or so, and each of those pieces can be 1713 01:48:04,079 --> 01:48:06,880 one of one of ten things, and you know all the pieces can match 1714 01:48:06,920 --> 01:48:09,600 U stuff. Yeah, it's it's nice. That's nice. Thing they're doing. 1715 01:48:09,960 --> 01:48:12,720 I churched the color of like the lightsabers. Sure I'll change that. 1716 01:48:12,840 --> 01:48:15,720 That's a big deal. Say they were like BD eight thoughs like here's like 1717 01:48:15,800 --> 01:48:17,520 the fifteen different lakes or BDA, like he looks fine right now. There's 1718 01:48:17,560 --> 01:48:20,159 a part of me it's like, I mean, I think an artist designed 1719 01:48:20,239 --> 01:48:26,239 b D eight and they probably like know about like design philosophy and like the 1720 01:48:26,359 --> 01:48:29,359 color wheel and something. They probably already picked what they thought would be the 1721 01:48:29,439 --> 01:48:32,159 best colors for him. I'm gonna listen to them. Yeah, I get 1722 01:48:32,199 --> 01:48:34,479 what you mean for sure. I guess I'm glad that the options are there 1723 01:48:34,520 --> 01:48:38,399 and that you can easily ignore them, Like it's nice to just ignore them 1724 01:48:38,399 --> 01:48:41,920 if you want. BD eight b D one one yeah, yeah, whatever 1725 01:48:42,079 --> 01:48:46,079 you think of BB eight NBA bad way forgive me these two adorable droids with 1726 01:48:46,319 --> 01:48:51,199 that name start would be and then what's the what's the apex uh nipex Titan 1727 01:48:51,239 --> 01:48:55,840 Fall two B two I'll be two. Yeah, I think that's right. 1728 01:48:55,920 --> 01:48:59,840 How a lot of bees? Yeah? Um yeah. I like doing. 1729 01:49:00,000 --> 01:49:03,000 I like building my garden on top of the cantina. I think I've started 1730 01:49:03,000 --> 01:49:05,560 finding yet, I've been getting all these seeds. I didn't know what I 1731 01:49:05,680 --> 01:49:09,079 was doing with those yet, so that's exciting. There's the fish tank in 1732 01:49:09,199 --> 01:49:11,840 there, and I'm like, I think I got my I think I'm about 1733 01:49:11,840 --> 01:49:14,359 to get my first fish. I think I'm starting to meet that guy that 1734 01:49:14,479 --> 01:49:16,199 gives you that that does the fishing for you, and so I gonna take 1735 01:49:16,199 --> 01:49:18,560 that back to the fish tank. I can't wait to do that. I 1736 01:49:18,760 --> 01:49:23,800 really like actually going back to the cantina regularly and talking to the people I've 1737 01:49:23,840 --> 01:49:26,239 met on my adventures who are now just hanging out in there, and it's 1738 01:49:26,279 --> 01:49:30,319 getting more populated, and every conversation I really passed up the mallet. You 1739 01:49:30,520 --> 01:49:32,239 stupid it. You're never gonna get that mallet. I have it, and 1740 01:49:32,239 --> 01:49:35,359 I don't even want it. I threw it away. You crave that mallet, 1741 01:49:35,399 --> 01:49:39,079 and you'll never have it. I'm gonna get it. I'm gonna go 1742 01:49:39,199 --> 01:49:41,800 right there and get it as soon as we're done talking. You'll never be 1743 01:49:41,840 --> 01:49:44,560 able to find it. Nothing can help you, especially that the ter day 1744 01:49:44,640 --> 01:49:47,239 I might have already gotten I just didn't notice because then but we'll see. 1745 01:49:47,439 --> 01:49:50,680 Um, yeah, I don't know. I'm really enjoying it. That cantina 1746 01:49:50,800 --> 01:49:55,119 is so Lively and Quinn. It made me um red Fall has got a 1747 01:49:55,159 --> 01:49:59,520 fire department that is kind of like a similar concept in it fucking sucks compared 1748 01:49:59,560 --> 01:50:02,319 to their It is a joke, and it's like, man, this is 1749 01:50:02,359 --> 01:50:05,600 the Jedi Survivor. Like it's like it's doing. It's so good that I 1750 01:50:06,239 --> 01:50:11,680 me Jeff Grubb and stop him stopping to talk to almost every single person every 1751 01:50:11,760 --> 01:50:15,640 chance every time I return there, and it's I'm really enjoying it because one 1752 01:50:15,640 --> 01:50:17,079 of the acting is really good, the writing is really good. The characters 1753 01:50:17,119 --> 01:50:20,640 are very interesting. They look phenomenal. A lot of them have like you 1754 01:50:20,680 --> 01:50:27,039 know something are like architectures. The fancy alien who who is kind of prissy 1755 01:50:27,119 --> 01:50:29,399 but he's got a good attitude about it, like he like is also a 1756 01:50:29,439 --> 01:50:31,600 little bit self deprecating and he jokes with cal in a really interesting way. 1757 01:50:31,640 --> 01:50:38,319 And then there's the cool clearly bounty hunter lady and the corner being all ericorn 1758 01:50:38,439 --> 01:50:41,439 about it and stuff with her hat over her eyes and that's fucking cool. 1759 01:50:41,479 --> 01:50:45,560 It can't wait to interact with her. And m Turgel is you know this 1760 01:50:45,000 --> 01:50:48,800 filled with anxieties and neurosis and always freaking out out about everything. And it's 1761 01:50:48,800 --> 01:50:53,079 just fun to go hear where he's like flipping out about now. So yeah, 1762 01:50:53,119 --> 01:50:56,600 I'm way into this game. And again I'm still in that part where 1763 01:50:56,920 --> 01:50:59,600 the story hasn't fully picked up, although I'm kind of into like, oh 1764 01:50:59,640 --> 01:51:01,359 man, they're this interesting character and stuff's happening there. I remember him from 1765 01:51:01,359 --> 01:51:04,319 the trailer, what's going on? So yeah, I'm fully bought in. 1766 01:51:04,479 --> 01:51:08,199 I'm super happy with it so far. Yeah, I'm a lot of fun. 1767 01:51:08,239 --> 01:51:10,800 I'm excited to play more. I hope they do posh things up. 1768 01:51:10,800 --> 01:51:13,800 I mean, you know, I don't. I kind of don't want to 1769 01:51:13,840 --> 01:51:15,920 give them a pass on it. And I know something that seems like that 1770 01:51:15,960 --> 01:51:18,239 when I just talk about good it is it came out too early. It 1771 01:51:18,560 --> 01:51:23,399 could have used more time. It should not have come out this rough ish. 1772 01:51:23,720 --> 01:51:26,960 It's a lot more forgivable when the game is clearly good, and that's 1773 01:51:27,000 --> 01:51:30,680 the that's the big difference here. But it is still this worrisome thing where 1774 01:51:30,960 --> 01:51:33,840 like these I get it, these games seem harder than ever to make, 1775 01:51:34,319 --> 01:51:39,039 and you're already probably delaying them at least once or twice. It's hard to 1776 01:51:39,159 --> 01:51:43,199 pull the trigger on that third delay. But man, this game might have 1777 01:51:43,199 --> 01:51:46,439 been able to use it. It's um it does feel like a game that 1778 01:51:46,520 --> 01:51:49,600 is one hundred and thirty one hundred and fifty gigabytes in terms of the detail, 1779 01:51:50,039 --> 01:51:53,760 and when you're running through that world, it's noticeable and that that I 1780 01:51:53,800 --> 01:51:56,439 think it helps to accept some of it to a certain extent. But you're 1781 01:51:56,520 --> 01:52:00,199 right, uh. I think the good news is most people have heard it, 1782 01:52:00,359 --> 01:52:01,640 and if it's something you know it's gonna bother you, just wait. 1783 01:52:02,479 --> 01:52:04,720 Just what. You can either get on a discount or they'll fix it one 1784 01:52:04,800 --> 01:52:10,000 or the other, and either one's a good option. But if you do 1785 01:52:10,119 --> 01:52:12,439 think you could look past it, you're gonna be able to look past it, 1786 01:52:12,600 --> 01:52:15,439 because it's just true. There's a good game there, and you're gonna 1787 01:52:15,479 --> 01:52:18,119 find ways to get to the good game. I did have. The biggest 1788 01:52:18,119 --> 01:52:23,399 thing I encountered was I was sliding down one of those muddy hills and I 1789 01:52:23,439 --> 01:52:25,199 got stuck down there, and I'm like, why am I stuck? And 1790 01:52:25,239 --> 01:52:29,439 I'm like, you know what, I bet something didn't load And it took 1791 01:52:29,520 --> 01:52:31,840 me like three minutes, and I just I reloaded the save and put me 1792 01:52:31,960 --> 01:52:34,119 right back there, and then suddenly there was a mount I could get on 1793 01:52:34,199 --> 01:52:38,319 and I could climb up the muddy hill. It's like, Okay, the 1794 01:52:38,399 --> 01:52:43,239 game's broken. That's people, normal people who aren't fucking video game pilled like 1795 01:52:43,359 --> 01:52:46,159 I am, are going to get to that and they're just gonna get very 1796 01:52:46,239 --> 01:52:49,640 frustrated. Yeah, they're gonna be They're gonna be very annoyed. And I 1797 01:52:49,680 --> 01:52:54,520 don't way this confidence. And then whenever you're stuck at all, you're gonna 1798 01:52:54,560 --> 01:52:58,000 wonder, am I actually stuck? Or is the game broken? And that's 1799 01:52:58,119 --> 01:53:00,600 that is the kind of stuff. That's the kind stuff that can be a 1800 01:53:00,680 --> 01:53:02,880 real problem for a game like this. And so yeah, just wait, 1801 01:53:03,119 --> 01:53:05,880 that's just wait, that's totally fine that they should have put out a game 1802 01:53:05,880 --> 01:53:10,479 that worked better. There's a part of me that wishes I almost just waited, 1803 01:53:10,560 --> 01:53:12,880 like I waited for that first patches. Why I finally started it, 1804 01:53:13,119 --> 01:53:15,000 and I am kind of like, well, I want to kind of place 1805 01:53:15,119 --> 01:53:17,359 before Zelda. It's a part of me it's like, like, what come 1806 01:53:17,439 --> 01:53:20,279 on, just wait two months until you know this game's probably in a really 1807 01:53:20,359 --> 01:53:24,479 good spot. But oh well, I'm playing out and I am still having 1808 01:53:24,560 --> 01:53:29,039 fun. I'll get through it. Anything else, Mike, I think we 1809 01:53:29,119 --> 01:53:33,039 did a show. Hey Jeff, next week, episode three hundred of Game 1810 01:53:33,119 --> 01:53:36,560 Mess decides if you what do we do? Can believe it? I bet 1811 01:53:36,640 --> 01:53:41,159 even our most artist fans on here have probably only seen the last one hundred 1812 01:53:41,239 --> 01:53:45,000 episodes we did for a while before anyone cared. Don't go back and watch 1813 01:53:45,000 --> 01:53:48,039 the old ones. You're fine. They're terrible, super racist. Early on, 1814 01:53:48,159 --> 01:53:50,680 it was a big problem, embarrassing. Yeah, Jeff just wouldn't stop 1815 01:53:50,720 --> 01:53:55,680 with his nine to eleven jokes. We constant. Yeah, it's awkward. 1816 01:53:55,840 --> 01:53:58,560 Yeah, it was weird because it was like it was two thousand and two 1817 01:53:58,600 --> 01:54:02,159 when this podcast started. So right afterward, Um, yeah, go ahead. 1818 01:54:02,479 --> 01:54:04,760 I don't know exactly what we're gonna do. We'll see because I know 1819 01:54:04,800 --> 01:54:09,600 you're gonna be coming back from a chip like that day, like that morning 1820 01:54:09,720 --> 01:54:13,960 or something. I'll be back Wednesday. I'll be back Wednesday, so Thursday 1821 01:54:14,199 --> 01:54:16,159 for this show. I should be good. But that means I won't have 1822 01:54:16,199 --> 01:54:20,079 a lot of time planned stuff. Yeah. The very least we decide things. 1823 01:54:20,119 --> 01:54:27,439 I think we should decide what is the best video game? Okay, 1824 01:54:28,479 --> 01:54:30,079 okay, yeah, here we go. Okay, there we go. Yeah, 1825 01:54:30,119 --> 01:54:33,600 we're gonna decide it. People love when we decide things. They have 1826 01:54:33,760 --> 01:54:39,840 complete faith in us. They elected us as their leaders. I hope they 1827 01:54:39,920 --> 01:54:43,560 still yell at us that it should be battle that would rule. Actually, 1828 01:54:44,760 --> 01:54:47,560 please keep it up, everybody, um and then Tuesday though, last than 1829 01:54:47,640 --> 01:54:49,960 ten dogs. I will not be here for that mix. Got to figure 1830 01:54:50,000 --> 01:54:55,680 something else out. I'll find somebody, all right. Sorry, ask Reggie 1831 01:54:55,720 --> 01:54:58,279 if he's not in jail for that murder yet. Yeah, I mean, 1832 01:54:58,359 --> 01:55:01,159 listen, they're never gonna take that man live. He's he's got a certain 1833 01:55:01,199 --> 01:55:03,800 set of skills. Mike, where can people find you on the internet? 1834 01:55:03,960 --> 01:55:09,439 Find me on Twitter and twitch at toll co Toe Jeff and I, uh, 1835 01:55:10,079 --> 01:55:13,520 there's a stuff on Giant Bomb. There's a there's a voicemailt dump truck. 1836 01:55:13,760 --> 01:55:15,239 I don't know if our Star Wars Blake Club is up yet, but 1837 01:55:15,279 --> 01:55:18,199 that should be up in a little bit. That was a silly, silly 1838 01:55:18,319 --> 01:55:21,000 time. We didn't even talk of that. Yeah, we played Bachelds of 1839 01:55:21,079 --> 01:55:25,760 Tears. Cossie somebody in chat was a stand for Jedi power Battles, and 1840 01:55:26,000 --> 01:55:29,600 you know, the game's okay, that's fine, whatever, it's fine. 1841 01:55:29,600 --> 01:55:31,279 I could see liking it a lot at the time. I like Star Wars 1842 01:55:31,359 --> 01:55:35,159 Demolition more and that's probably not considered a good game. Probably not. It 1843 01:55:35,239 --> 01:55:38,920 was good. I think it was like really middling when they reviewed it. 1844 01:55:40,439 --> 01:55:43,960 I'm on a website called giant bomb dot com. We have a lot of 1845 01:55:44,000 --> 01:55:45,960 fun over there. We didn't want to hear the music, Jeff only I 1846 01:55:45,079 --> 01:55:51,800 can't. I'm on a cyite called giant bomb dot com. Uh, I'm 1847 01:55:51,840 --> 01:55:55,640 viewed because I have the stupid keyboard thing it with the game of Browser. 1848 01:55:55,680 --> 01:55:59,680 It's my fault. Whatever, um where we do fun, stupid video game 1849 01:55:59,720 --> 01:56:01,680 stop. We basically have video games and then we find ways to have fun 1850 01:56:01,720 --> 01:56:04,039 with them. No matter what. It's a good time. You do a 1851 01:56:04,079 --> 01:56:06,279 lot of good stuff. We try to cover new video games as much as 1852 01:56:06,319 --> 01:56:10,439 we can. Got a podcast, Giant Bomb Cast. It's pretty good, 1853 01:56:11,039 --> 01:56:14,039 guys. You tune into all that, uh and then yeah, less than 1854 01:56:14,159 --> 01:56:17,279 ten Dogs on Tuesdays. Mike has his Twitched account. I got mine twitched 1855 01:56:17,279 --> 01:56:20,239 at TV slash Jeff Grub. I haven't been on it a while, mostly 1856 01:56:20,239 --> 01:56:25,000 because I've been working NonStop of so much other stuff, and then my wife 1857 01:56:25,039 --> 01:56:27,119 was out of town. But now I think I'm gonna get back on here 1858 01:56:27,159 --> 01:56:30,760 pretty soon. Maybe maybe try to finish that that minish cap and then get 1859 01:56:30,800 --> 01:56:34,560 on as Yeah. Well we'll be back with another new episode next week. 1860 01:56:34,720 --> 01:56:39,239 Mike, you got any plans for the weekend. I hope not. I 1861 01:56:39,279 --> 01:56:43,119 hope I can just chill out. May play some Star Wars. Yeah, 1862 01:56:43,600 --> 01:56:45,479 that would back. I can't. I can't. I got to travel on 1863 01:56:45,520 --> 01:56:48,439 Sunday. So shit, there you go. There's last of the skunky beer. 1864 01:56:48,600 --> 01:56:50,560 I'm done with it forever. Oh that's it. That's Oh you did 1865 01:56:50,600 --> 01:56:54,840 get in a second one. Okay, congratulations, there we go. Thank 1866 01:56:54,880 --> 01:56:58,640 god, man, lesson learned. I really wish you would have just burnt 1867 01:56:58,680 --> 01:57:03,479 it out. It upset me that you drank. Thank you, Thank you, 1868 01:57:03,720 --> 01:57:10,479 Thank you everybody by everybody. Bet your point for everybody. Everybody. 1869 01:57:39,680 --> 01:57:58,960 We wear the clowns. Can I go pee now? Yeah, copee, 1870 01:57:59,039 --> 01:58:02,840 you're free to get you. Thank you Mike. Wow. Okay, Man, 1871 01:58:02,920 --> 01:58:05,920 I black out halfway through those ads. Um, here we are, 1872 01:58:06,800 --> 01:58:10,319 are you guys? What are we getting Rachel from Other's day? We'll figure 1873 01:58:10,359 --> 01:58:13,680 something out. Okay, I'll get you. Um. I got lots of 1874 01:58:14,800 --> 01:58:16,880 lots of links on the internet for Golden Girls stuff. Get you something, 1875 01:58:17,079 --> 01:58:23,239 get you something good. You probably have most of those things. Okay, 1876 01:58:24,880 --> 01:58:30,319 let's see how's everybody doing. They require a video proof of the hair pulling. 1877 01:58:30,520 --> 01:58:32,199 That's fair. I don't think that's going to happen. I've used these 1878 01:58:32,239 --> 01:58:38,800 things in delicate places and have not had tugs or nicks. The AD's done. 1879 01:58:38,840 --> 01:58:42,680 We don't have to talk about man skipped anymore. Okay, good, 1880 01:58:42,920 --> 01:58:47,640 Because I technically a NIVA employee here, I still feel the need to reside 1881 01:58:47,680 --> 01:58:50,560 after that segway. I thought that's fair. I okay, well, you 1882 01:58:50,600 --> 01:58:53,960 can just turn your paper what. I'll let you know if I accept your 1883 01:58:54,000 --> 01:58:58,840 resignation or not. Roger says, these savings are turning my south ball into 1884 01:58:58,920 --> 01:59:03,880 a north ball. That's pretty good. That's pretty good. Thanks for the 1885 01:59:03,920 --> 01:59:06,279 super chats everybody. Thanks for everybody who's watching. We are going to get 1886 01:59:06,279 --> 01:59:10,800 back to the show very soon. Appreciate everyone tuneing in. You can always 1887 01:59:10,800 --> 01:59:14,319 tell when there's like anxiety and people like, man, I wonder what I 1888 01:59:14,399 --> 01:59:16,039 want to know what's going on because you get everyone's tune and in. Everyone 1889 01:59:16,039 --> 01:59:19,760 wants to hear what's happening with Redfall. The Phil Spencer interview, UH tell 1890 01:59:19,800 --> 01:59:21,800 you what. We're gonna have a lot to talk about as we get closer 1891 01:59:21,880 --> 01:59:25,760 summer game fests, so everyone keep tuning in every week and lessen than the 1892 01:59:25,840 --> 01:59:28,680 ten Dogs on Tuesdays. We really appreciate that. Tell you, well, 1893 01:59:28,680 --> 01:59:30,920 I'm glad I told him Mike to start doing those thumb nails. Yeah. 1894 01:59:30,960 --> 01:59:33,960 I think they I think they've helped. That's uh, that's definitely. It 1895 01:59:34,079 --> 01:59:38,279 was fun to record that video where he just randomly grabs a frame from that 1896 01:59:38,359 --> 01:59:43,640 and it's really good. Um, I need to finish that Psycho Nuts to 1897 01:59:44,159 --> 01:59:47,880 uh a documentary. I've watched a bunch of episodes, but it's it's really 1898 01:59:47,960 --> 01:59:51,000 long, but it's incredible. I want to keep watching it. All right, 1899 01:59:51,079 --> 01:59:56,039 I got the last of the Skunky Gang links from Dour General. Everyone's 1900 01:59:56,079 --> 01:59:58,920 like, give a thumbs. I hit a like button for Mike Skunky Beers, 1901 01:59:59,159 --> 02:00:01,760 all right, he's league. That's our third podcast around here, A 1902 02:00:01,840 --> 02:00:05,640 last those Skunky Beers. Don't don't get your beer from Dollard General. Do 1903 02:00:05,720 --> 02:00:09,840 you get a lot of things with Dollard General. You can't find Jeff, 1904 02:00:10,039 --> 02:00:14,720 I can't find No, I can't find it is they might actually be uh 1905 02:00:15,079 --> 02:00:17,319 porco Rosa, I guess no, I mean, where did he send it 1906 02:00:17,439 --> 02:00:20,600 like weeks ago. I don't know. He should have just put it in 1907 02:00:20,680 --> 02:00:25,600 the chat. All right, all night, donnie. Let's see here. 1908 02:00:29,439 --> 02:00:31,880 No, I'm sorry, I don't see it. You know. I have 1909 02:00:31,920 --> 02:00:35,600 my open DMS. I'm looking in the uh message requests, and I'm looking 1910 02:00:35,640 --> 02:00:39,399 in my other one. I have a message for four hours ago, and 1911 02:00:39,520 --> 02:00:43,039 then a couple on May third, a couple of May first. Okay, 1912 02:00:43,159 --> 02:00:45,399 I don't see it. Sorry, there you going? Then? I can't 1913 02:00:45,520 --> 02:00:48,560 cannot help you. Not your fault. I started a stream I can watch 1914 02:00:48,600 --> 02:00:53,079 on here. Oh right right here, this game? Yeah, you know 1915 02:00:53,199 --> 02:00:56,479 that thing? Right? Okay, what you're trying doing here? Let's we're 1916 02:00:56,479 --> 02:00:58,520 gonna get set up for the game right now. Everybody again, if you 1917 02:00:58,560 --> 02:01:00,399 have any super chats, do you want to say? You will get to 1918 02:01:00,439 --> 02:01:02,920 all your questions, so don't worry about that while we get set up over 1919 02:01:03,119 --> 02:01:11,600 here. Let me bring up that and then the game. Here's that? 1920 02:01:15,199 --> 02:01:25,159 Oh I do this, There we go. I think we're just gonna move 1921 02:01:25,279 --> 02:01:30,600 Mikey down and then we'll be good. Can't keep me down there? It 1922 02:01:30,800 --> 02:01:33,439 is what to make you a new shadow Man game? Yeah? Did you 1923 02:01:33,479 --> 02:01:38,039 see that? What the hell I was playing? I played because uh, 1924 02:01:38,560 --> 02:01:41,239 Night five didn't remains of that first shout my game, I'm like playing, 1925 02:01:41,279 --> 02:01:43,119 I was playing it on my scene deck. I guess is all right. 1926 02:01:43,680 --> 02:01:46,119 They're making a new shadow Man. Wow, No wonder that we talked. 1927 02:01:46,680 --> 02:01:49,479 That happened during game this morning, so I talked about it briefly. They're 1928 02:01:49,479 --> 02:01:55,880 still gonna have that weird like voodoo Irish snake friend. I wonder if there'll 1929 02:01:55,920 --> 02:02:00,640 be more culturally sensitive this time. It's something like that as a weird game. 1930 02:02:00,039 --> 02:02:04,720 It's like a Weird two greater knockoff, but with more like nineties comic 1931 02:02:04,800 --> 02:02:10,640 book spawn energy. The profile ros I'll take, Okay, I think I 1932 02:02:10,640 --> 02:02:12,800 would. I mean, I know what I'm parco Rosso looks like, you 1933 02:02:12,840 --> 02:02:14,439 know what. We're gonna get back to the show. I'm sorry, we 1934 02:02:14,479 --> 02:02:16,760 can't. This show cannot be a break of ten minutes where I'm looking for 1935 02:02:16,800 --> 02:02:19,199 a DM. Everybody. I'm sorry. Uh, are you guys good to 1936 02:02:19,239 --> 02:02:23,840 start back up? Yeah? Okay, Jeff, you might have to crank 1937 02:02:24,000 --> 02:02:29,600 the volume on the streams music. Who can say, uh, crank the 1938 02:02:29,640 --> 02:02:31,880 ball? Okay? I think it's probably Discord one. Yeah, I got 1939 02:02:31,960 --> 02:02:35,159 it one hundred now, so we'll should you think you should be allowed like 1940 02:02:35,239 --> 02:02:41,159 crank crank, all right, Max, everybody, it's on Sean, all 1941 02:02:41,239 --> 02:02:44,119 right, blow out your ears, that's what I'm me. Everyone's sorry about 1942 02:02:44,159 --> 02:02:45,359 that, right, let's hear this. Let's let's get back into it. 1943 02:02:46,760 --> 02:02:50,319 I'm just gonna fix mix camera over here and then we'll be good. Why 1944 02:02:50,399 --> 02:02:53,439 is it like? That's why is your face cut off? What happened? 1945 02:02:53,520 --> 02:02:57,439 Oh? It's because I have a game? Still there we go? Okay, 1946 02:03:00,760 --> 02:03:03,880 all right, let me fix Mic a little bit more because he's a 1947 02:03:03,920 --> 02:03:06,880 bit short and he hates that they called me a bit short. I was 1948 02:03:06,880 --> 02:03:10,760 like, no, wait, he said bit short. That makes more sense. 1949 02:03:12,000 --> 02:03:15,760 All right, here we go. What up, that's the wrong button. 1950 02:03:15,920 --> 02:03:19,279 Let's see, all right? Why are you doing making people mad about 1951 02:03:19,319 --> 02:03:23,960 Star Wars battle Front two five? Okay? Ken? Is there is there 1952 02:03:24,000 --> 02:03:25,520 a way to play? That? Was it? Like? Probably? You 1953 02:03:25,640 --> 02:03:31,079 probably was just they probably didn't have servers on PlayStation two? This sixty four 1954 02:03:31,079 --> 02:03:38,359 players a lot? What what would you put on there? Christian? Oh, 1955 02:03:38,479 --> 02:03:41,079 Bottle Front two? Oh my god, I'm I can't okay, I 1956 02:03:41,159 --> 02:03:45,600 can't, you fucking kids? I mean it is a great game. You 1957 02:03:45,680 --> 02:03:50,520 put outcasts well, well, all the games up. There are good games, 1958 02:03:50,600 --> 02:03:55,960 come on, they are all good. Yeah, well racers like, 1959 02:03:56,199 --> 02:04:02,520 uh, it's good, but it's not good good. Okay, So let's 1960 02:04:02,560 --> 02:04:04,880 see. Is anyone going to tell me how to place a battle Front two? 1961 02:04:04,920 --> 02:04:09,000 I mean, I'm not so much gonna look it up. It makes 1962 02:04:09,039 --> 02:04:13,199 me. Yeah, I wish I had like two more hours without power on 1963 02:04:13,359 --> 02:04:16,359 my house so I couldn't like look at this now. Is that what happened 1964 02:04:16,399 --> 02:04:19,880 when you get a brown out or something? Yeah? Yes, like fourteen 1965 02:04:19,920 --> 02:04:25,479 out of sixteen hours that was fun battle. I guess the sixteen hours, 1966 02:04:25,520 --> 02:04:28,840 I don't know. They cut it when I was sleeping and I woke up 1967 02:04:28,880 --> 02:04:32,880 and I have no power, and then when I came back from work there's 1968 02:04:32,880 --> 02:04:39,520 still no power, and the like twenty minutes ago. There's a story from 1969 02:04:39,560 --> 02:04:45,000 twenty seventeen about Battlefront two had its servers come back online. It's on Steam, 1970 02:04:45,039 --> 02:04:47,359 but controls need heavily need to be heavily remapped. Yeah, but the 1971 02:04:47,439 --> 02:04:51,359 PC version wasn't. There's probably mods for it, right, you get moded 1972 02:04:51,560 --> 02:04:57,479 for sure, you can do crimes. I need to post this to Twitter 1973 02:04:57,560 --> 02:05:00,680 so people can yet us there too. Oh you say, oh, I 1974 02:05:00,760 --> 02:05:06,079 should we go let's get that and get your ass all right. I gotta 1975 02:05:06,600 --> 02:05:11,880 okay, I see what you did there, the Rise of Skywalker of Mount 1976 02:05:12,000 --> 02:05:17,600 Rushmore. Okay, thank you. Show it to the people if you want. 1977 02:05:17,880 --> 02:05:25,119 I don't have to do that. I can there you go, there 1978 02:05:25,119 --> 02:05:27,680 you go, everybody. I always sort of get a access to the rundown. 1979 02:05:27,760 --> 02:05:30,479 It's like, all right, I can't do that. Yeah I did 1980 02:05:30,560 --> 02:05:35,439 that chat that for you. Your monster un deleted. I just gotta take 1981 02:05:35,439 --> 02:05:39,560 a screenshot. And I don't want to confuse people and think I'm renouncing my 1982 02:05:39,640 --> 02:05:42,479 own list. I want them to feel right when they get mad at me. 1983 02:05:43,399 --> 02:05:45,760 And now you can read. You can bring it back if you want. 1984 02:05:45,600 --> 02:05:48,239 No, I don't. I don't assist too much work. Yeah, 1985 02:05:51,640 --> 02:05:56,000 yes, he's playing. I don't know what happened to somebody? What happened? 1986 02:05:56,039 --> 02:06:05,199 I don't know. It's four congratulations. Let's fucking go. Took a 1987 02:06:05,399 --> 02:06:12,199 nice nap to our nap. That's good. It's like, fuck it. 1988 02:06:12,600 --> 02:06:16,640 I there's nothing I snow electricity. They were least dead to me. All 1989 02:06:16,720 --> 02:06:21,000 right, let's see yuh see people coming here shouting. If they just helped 1990 02:06:21,039 --> 02:06:27,560 me on Twitter, it's still in bad front right now. Thank you, 1991 02:06:27,640 --> 02:06:31,680 Matt. Yeah, Les, they play red Fall tomorrow on upf We are 1992 02:06:31,840 --> 02:06:35,159 probably gonna play some red Fall, but we're also gonna play but Punch Simulator 1993 02:06:35,199 --> 02:06:39,960 or whatever the fuck it's called. Yo, that new shit on the on 1994 02:06:40,119 --> 02:06:43,720 fornight. It's pretty good. Yeah, I think we Yeah, we have 1995 02:06:44,720 --> 02:06:46,319 to play for Night tomorrow. I don't know. We have some ideas about 1996 02:06:46,319 --> 02:06:49,680 that. We're also gonna we're gonna be Yeah, we might do something like 1997 02:06:49,760 --> 02:06:53,319 that. We'll see, Okay, Revenge of the Seth and all that, 1998 02:06:53,760 --> 02:06:56,840 Revenge of the Fifth excuse me, um, you still have about rush fourth 1999 02:06:56,880 --> 02:07:00,359 thing up By the way, Christian put a thing up there and it was 2000 02:07:00,399 --> 02:07:02,960 funny and so I showed everybody I did a bit. Don't worry about it, 2001 02:07:03,039 --> 02:07:06,520 he did. Okay, I'm gonna bring us back in