1 00:00:05,960 --> 00:00:10,039 This is Christina and welcome to a Spooky Tales. This next story is from 2 00:00:10,080 --> 00:00:15,119 the Sempting Scary podcast, read by host Blair Bathory. Something Scary shares ghost 3 00:00:15,119 --> 00:00:18,760 stories, folklore, and other spooky tales from around the world every Tuesday. 4 00:00:19,039 --> 00:00:22,039 You can also find them on YouTube, where they do a weekly animated scary 5 00:00:22,120 --> 00:00:25,000 video. We're so glad they shared a story with us today, hope you 6 00:00:25,079 --> 00:00:29,679 enjoy. Some of us are saddened by family members passing on and leaving us 7 00:00:29,719 --> 00:00:34,520 feeling very lonely, but others feel that they departed are always by their side, 8 00:00:35,039 --> 00:00:42,719 like in this story inspired by Brooklyn. I remember vividly the first time 9 00:00:42,759 --> 00:00:47,320 I encountered the paranormal. That memory seemed to have seeped into my bones. 10 00:00:47,880 --> 00:00:51,399 I must have been around four or five years old, nestled in my bed, 11 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:56,799 the soft glow of my elephant nightlight casting shadows on the walls. Suddenly 12 00:00:57,280 --> 00:01:03,039 I awoke to a sight that would forever haunt my dreams. There looming over 13 00:01:03,119 --> 00:01:07,599 me was a man. His presence sent shivers down my spine. His figure 14 00:01:07,719 --> 00:01:11,560 was obscured by the dim light. But what frightened me the most was the 15 00:01:11,599 --> 00:01:18,480 gaping wound across his throat and the blue and purple bruised flesh surrounding it. 16 00:01:19,959 --> 00:01:23,439 Frozen with fear, all I could manage was a scream, fleeting for him 17 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:27,480 to leave me, be despare me from whatever harm he planned for me. 18 00:01:29,359 --> 00:01:34,200 Please, I cried out, my voice trembling with terror. Yet despite my 19 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:38,599 protest, there he stood, as if desperate to show me the horrors that 20 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:45,920 he had endured. Thankfully, my parents rushed to my room. Their comforting 21 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:49,840 presence seemed to make him disappear. But even as they tried to soothe me, 22 00:01:51,319 --> 00:01:55,200 I couldn't shake the image of the man from my mind. Desperate to 23 00:01:55,239 --> 00:01:57,920 call me and get back to sleep, my parents brought me into their room 24 00:01:57,959 --> 00:02:01,280 for the night, hoping that the safety of their bed would chase away the 25 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:06,640 nightmares that haunted me. Yet try as I might, I couldn't escape the 26 00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:10,159 memory of that man standing over my bed. In the days that followed, 27 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:15,639 I found myself plagued by the memory of the encounter, Unable to focus on 28 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:21,479 anything else. My thoughts wandered, consumed by the man with the slit throat. 29 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:25,919 Concern for my well being, my parents sought help, and soon I 30 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:30,560 found myself sitting in the office of a counselor grappling with the demons that lurked 31 00:02:30,599 --> 00:02:35,840 within my subconscious He was the only thing I would draw when they gave me 32 00:02:35,879 --> 00:02:38,800 a pad in crayons. No amount of therapy could erase the memory of that 33 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:43,759 night. The image of the man burned into my mind like a scar upon 34 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:47,080 my soul. But all the adults around me just wanted to forget, or 35 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:52,639 at least pretend like I was. Okay. It was a day like any 36 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:55,159 other. When I was gathering my toys for a bath. I passed by 37 00:02:55,199 --> 00:02:59,560 my mother's room, only to be stopped in my tracks by the sight of 38 00:02:59,599 --> 00:03:02,879 a woman sitting on her bed. She was ethereal, sitting in a bright 39 00:03:02,919 --> 00:03:07,319 circle of light. Yet there was a warmth to her presence that eased the 40 00:03:07,319 --> 00:03:12,919 fear that clinched at my heart. As I stood there, transfixed by her 41 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:17,240 gaze, I could feel her longing for connection, her silent plea for comfort. 42 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:23,199 Without hesitation, I announced her presence to my mother, played it off 43 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:25,919 as if it was my imagination. She asked me what the lady was doing, 44 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:30,560 and I said that she wanted a hug. Then I described her in 45 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:35,960 great detail, her long flower dress, her cropped hair and her tortoise shell 46 00:03:36,039 --> 00:03:39,520 glasses with a red jim heart on the side. My mother's face dropped. 47 00:03:40,199 --> 00:03:44,599 My mother stood there for a moment and told me that I should hug that 48 00:03:44,639 --> 00:03:49,439 woman, and so, with trembling hands, I reached out to the figure 49 00:03:49,479 --> 00:03:53,719 before me, wrapping her in a tender embrace that seemed to bridge the gap 50 00:03:53,759 --> 00:03:59,879 between the living and the dead. In that moment, I felt a sense 51 00:03:59,879 --> 00:04:03,080 of peace wash over me, as though I had finally found my purpose in 52 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:08,800 this strange and mysterious world. But it wasn't until my mother pulled out an 53 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:13,000 old photo album that the truth of the matter was revealed. For there, 54 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:17,160 amongst the faded photographs and cherish memories was a picture of the woman I had 55 00:04:17,199 --> 00:04:23,319 seen, my grandmother, my mother's mother, who had passed away long before 56 00:04:23,399 --> 00:04:29,079 I was born. With that revelation, my mother's disbelief turned to acceptance, 57 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:33,040 her eyes opened to the possibility that there were forces to play beyond our understanding, 58 00:04:33,639 --> 00:04:38,480 and so instead of sending me to the counselor, she went to the 59 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:42,000 Internet in search of someone who could help guide me on the newfound path. 60 00:04:42,879 --> 00:04:46,279 Together, she showed me how to open myself up to encounters with the supernatural. 61 00:04:46,879 --> 00:04:50,959 With each visit, I found myself growing stronger, my connection to the 62 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:57,720 spirit world deepening with every passing day. It wasn't long before we unearthed the 63 00:04:57,800 --> 00:05:00,399 dark history of our own home. The the original owner, it seemed, 64 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:04,879 had met a gruesome end at the hands of his own wife. She had 65 00:05:04,879 --> 00:05:10,720 discovered he had been unfaithful, and took to slitting his throat while he bent 66 00:05:10,759 --> 00:05:15,600 over pulling laundry from the dryer in the basement. I stood in the basement 67 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:18,160 where his life had been snuffed out. In an instant, I couldn't help 68 00:05:18,199 --> 00:05:24,120 but feel a sense of empathy for the tortured soul that lingered there. In 69 00:05:24,199 --> 00:05:28,319 his death, he had found a voice, a chance to tell his story 70 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:31,399 to someone who would listen to me. And so that is what I do 71 00:05:31,519 --> 00:05:36,439 now. I listen. I listened to the stories of the dead, their 72 00:05:36,519 --> 00:05:42,800 voices echoing in the recesses of my mind, their tales waiting to be told. 73 00:05:44,199 --> 00:05:46,839 I am not just a witness to the supernatural. I am a conduit, 74 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:51,800 a bridge between the worlds of the living and the dead. And though 75 00:05:51,839 --> 00:05:57,040 the path ahead may be fraught with peril and uncertainty, I walk it with 76 00:05:57,079 --> 00:06:00,079 a sense of purpose, knowing that I am not alone. For in the 77 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:04,480 darkness that surrounds me, I find solace in the knowledge that the spirits of 78 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:10,199 the departed are always by my side, guiding me on my journey into the 79 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:17,040 unknown. Are you someone who has the gift who have been able to contact 80 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:24,319 the other side? Has it been a positive experience or did something go terribly 81 00:06:24,439 --> 00:06:29,680 wrong? Tell us your haunting stories by sending us an email at something Scary 82 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:35,480 at snarled dot com. Hi, everyone, this is Christina, and this 83 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:41,920 is MJ and Carmen, Yes, and MJ's bag and now on the three 84 00:06:41,959 --> 00:06:45,480 of us. MJ, how does it feel to be bad? We missed 85 00:06:45,519 --> 00:06:47,319 you? We all missed you. It feels strange but I miss it too. 86 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:51,240 Weird but good? Yeah, weird but good. Well, today we're 87 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:58,120 talking about stories from are not stories legends? I guess legends from the dominemic 88 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:06,879 Dominican I'm putting that. I'm sorry, Okay, go on the Dominican Republic. 89 00:07:06,959 --> 00:07:17,240 Yeah, I'm going to resay that because that's all getting cut. Okay, 90 00:07:17,319 --> 00:07:24,759 So we can't even get myself together. Okay, we're talking about legends 91 00:07:24,759 --> 00:07:30,000 from the Dominican Republic. And Haiti. But before we get to all of 92 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:33,920 that, Carmen, you have our listener's story. I do. Yeah. 93 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:38,199 If anyone else wants to send it in a listener story, you can email 94 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:42,439 a spookyos at gmail dot com. You can send it via d M on 95 00:07:42,519 --> 00:07:46,399 any of the socials, though Instagram is probably the easiest one, and you 96 00:07:46,439 --> 00:07:50,480 can call it a spooky hotline. That's another option. So yeah, there's 97 00:07:50,519 --> 00:07:55,000 a bunch of ways you can. You can submit it on discord. I 98 00:07:55,360 --> 00:07:58,519 forgot about that. I forgot it was a thing. I haven't even looked 99 00:07:58,560 --> 00:08:01,959 at it, and so did I'm Jay. Yeah, I haven't been on 100 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:07,319 this board in like forever. She joined well and said I'm here and then 101 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:13,199 didn't open it again. Yeah. Yeah, So those are all options, 102 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:18,800 Like I'll check one of them for sure, no doubt about that. No, 103 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:22,680 no listener stories. We'll get there. They're there. I see them 104 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:26,000 when they come in. You know, do I forget to which ones I've 105 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:31,199 already read? Maybe yes? But yeah, yeah, Carmen, do you 106 00:08:31,199 --> 00:08:33,480 want to read this listener story? Yeah? All right. So this is 107 00:08:33,519 --> 00:08:41,240 from Batrees aka Trelera dash Aventuras. So she says, I have always been 108 00:08:41,279 --> 00:08:45,600 a big fan of the paranormal and I love to listen and watch anything that 109 00:08:45,639 --> 00:08:48,559 has to do with the paranormal. In my extra free time, I love 110 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:52,080 to go ghost hunting, which, by the way, I would really love 111 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:56,639 to see you ladies go on a ghost investigation. That's a negative dog. 112 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:01,919 It's a no for me of one of you is gonna go with me one 113 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:05,440 day going by yourself. I actually did just go with the ladies from the 114 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:09,879 P ANDW Hunts and Homicide I saw went to court Townsend. Yeah, there's 115 00:09:09,919 --> 00:09:13,759 gonna be probably a couple of episodes over on their feet and a couple of 116 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:16,679 weeks I think is when they're gonna come out. But we're going to talk 117 00:09:16,679 --> 00:09:20,519 about our experiences. But yeah, we we did try to go go hunting. 118 00:09:20,759 --> 00:09:24,960 My little spirit box did not arrive for me in time, so we 119 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:30,240 used some random apps on phones, so it's probably not legit. I did 120 00:09:30,279 --> 00:09:33,960 have an EMF reader with me though, so yeah, more on that later. 121 00:09:33,039 --> 00:09:35,320 Sorry, go on with the listeners. Sorry, Okay, Well you 122 00:09:35,399 --> 00:09:39,360 went ghost hunting, so now me and MJ don't have to go with you. 123 00:09:39,559 --> 00:09:43,159 Well, there's more places to go. The one place I want to 124 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:50,919 go is what is it called the house over there by Santa Clara. Oh 125 00:09:50,039 --> 00:09:56,679 jeez, my brain is uh the Winchester. Oh, I went, but 126 00:09:56,840 --> 00:10:01,000 I didn't like ghost hunting. I just did it tour. Was it nice? 127 00:10:01,159 --> 00:10:03,879 At least it was cool? Yeah? I love seeing like the old 128 00:10:03,919 --> 00:10:07,679 house. My friend that sees things felt weird in the house and house sometimes 129 00:10:07,679 --> 00:10:13,240 some people feel like weird, like physical symptoms like a stomach ache or like 130 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:16,440 a headache, nausea. Yeah, I think she felt nauseous and she had 131 00:10:16,440 --> 00:10:22,279 like a headache. So take timel and all before you go. I'll be 132 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:26,120 fine. I went, Now it was fine. Does title no work for 133 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:33,120 paranormal headaches? Hm? So you should investigate that questions thanks to ponder. 134 00:10:33,639 --> 00:10:37,639 What about the other one, the national one dramaline or dermaline or whatever it's 135 00:10:37,679 --> 00:10:46,960 called dramamine? Oh yeah, yeah, so it was cool. You should 136 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:50,519 go wait for me to visit and we'll all go and we could do that 137 00:10:50,559 --> 00:10:56,000 too. Yeah. Yeah, I doesn't. Yeah, if I go visit 138 00:10:56,120 --> 00:11:00,159 Ukarmon because mommy is not in La anymore. Yeah, so then I'm going 139 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:01,919 to be We're all gonna be in the same area sort of. So yeah, 140 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:09,200 I'll be cool to go during Halloween November. I went in October, 141 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:16,799 like before Halloween. What's the other haunted place that we have here around in 142 00:11:16,840 --> 00:11:22,200 the valley nights? Very supposedly? Yeah, yeah, that one my friends 143 00:11:22,279 --> 00:11:28,080 went when long ago. You know them, Christina, Our same friends that 144 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:31,200 we have, well, you know them too. I'm dying. Oh yeah, 145 00:11:31,399 --> 00:11:35,840 I forgot about that. The people that we know, the people we 146 00:11:35,919 --> 00:11:41,000 all know. Yes, they went hell late once and but I don't think 147 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:43,519 they saw anything. But you know how, you're just like hyping each other 148 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:46,480 up because you're scared. That's just all they did. Yeah, but I 149 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:52,000 don't think they saw anything. Mckenry mentioned too. Supposedly I heard that. 150 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:58,240 I've been there too. I've never been there from the outside. Yeah, 151 00:11:58,240 --> 00:12:03,720 me too. Did you well know you wouldn't see anything? Yeah, you 152 00:12:03,759 --> 00:12:07,480 know, I didn't see anything. Okay, well, I guess we'll discuss 153 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:13,080 our paranoral feature of Paranormal Adventures another time so we can read the listeners story. 154 00:12:13,159 --> 00:12:18,320 Okay, back to the story. I never started, but one night 155 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:22,080 I was needing a fresh new paranormal podcast. Oh no, this is not 156 00:12:22,120 --> 00:12:24,440 the story. This is just how she found the podcast. So she was 157 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:28,799 needing a fresh new paranormal podcast to listen to and click the search button on 158 00:12:28,919 --> 00:12:35,639 iHeartRadio and the Spooky Tals popped up, and she remembers thinking, as Spooky 159 00:12:35,679 --> 00:12:39,960 tells, damn, that's a cool name. Thank you. We worked really 160 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:43,720 hard on it. And then she discovered you were a Mexican and that was 161 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:52,799 a bonus Mexican and then from then she was hooked from the first episode. 162 00:12:54,320 --> 00:13:00,600 So she says thank you for keeping her night shift as spooky. Night shifts 163 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:03,360 are already spooky. They are, Okay, here's the ghost story. You 164 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:07,240 don't go back to first personnel. So my job requires me to go in 165 00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:11,799 and out of the rail yards. I have to say that the rail yards 166 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:16,039 are a dangerous place to be in because you must be mindful of the moving 167 00:13:16,120 --> 00:13:20,240 trains. There are no lights or gates that warn you of a train moving, 168 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:24,039 so they have a rail yard personnel stand in front of certain areas of 169 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:26,399 the tracks as a safety measure. And so I feel like a rail is 170 00:13:26,399 --> 00:13:31,399 one of those words they say really weird, like rule and endure. It's 171 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:33,080 like that for me, I didn't even notice. I don't know. I 172 00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:41,440 felt like I don't even know anything. Okay, now I'm focused on the 173 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:46,320 words when you say it specifically, go on Okay. Last year, in 174 00:13:46,399 --> 00:13:50,159 November, I received a text from my brother, who is a truck driver, 175 00:13:50,919 --> 00:13:56,080 that a driver was struck and killed by a train within the rail yard. 176 00:13:56,399 --> 00:13:58,080 I quickly googled it, and sure enough, it was all over the 177 00:13:58,120 --> 00:14:01,600 news. I remember feeling so sad and sneaking of his family and how they 178 00:14:01,639 --> 00:14:05,759 were feeling. That night, I went to work hoping that they wouldn't dispatch 179 00:14:05,799 --> 00:14:09,360 me to that raal yard because I was still nervous about what had happened. 180 00:14:09,799 --> 00:14:13,399 Two weeks later, I was dispatched to take a load out of that railyard, 181 00:14:13,480 --> 00:14:18,039 and I remember searching for the trailer on the raillyard's app and instantly becoming 182 00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:22,720 nervous when I saw where it was located. The trailer was located in the 183 00:14:22,759 --> 00:14:28,039 same area where the truck driver had passed away. Oh geez. So I 184 00:14:28,120 --> 00:14:31,759 went in, hooked up the trailer, and quickly left. I want to 185 00:14:31,799 --> 00:14:35,519 add that I was quickly hooking up the trailer, I was paying my respects 186 00:14:35,519 --> 00:14:39,159 to the driver and just thinking about the way he died. Fast forward to 187 00:14:39,279 --> 00:14:43,120 January twenty twenty four and I get dispatched to that same rail yard again, 188 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:48,080 I searched for the trailer on the raillyard's app and again it is located in 189 00:14:48,080 --> 00:14:52,159 the same area where the accident happened. I entered that specific area and saw 190 00:14:52,200 --> 00:14:54,600 my trailer. I had to do some extra work to get the trailer out 191 00:14:54,639 --> 00:14:58,840 of the parking spot, and an hour later, I'm finally making my way 192 00:14:58,919 --> 00:15:01,559 out of that area to towards the exit. At this time, I went 193 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:05,440 on the phone with my husband and I began feeling so emotional and started telling 194 00:15:05,519 --> 00:15:09,919 him that out of the entire railyard, this was the worst area that a 195 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:13,240 driver could have passed away in and how I felt so sad for him and 196 00:15:13,279 --> 00:15:18,240 his family. I outgated from the railyard and on my way to the customer, 197 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:22,440 I decided to stop at a truck stop. I go in, use 198 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:26,120 the restroom, and come back out. As I'm walking towards the truck, 199 00:15:26,360 --> 00:15:30,039 I started getting the trailer and choke in my eyes to ensure everything is still 200 00:15:30,039 --> 00:15:33,279 the way it's supposed to be. As I panned back to the truck, 201 00:15:33,440 --> 00:15:37,799 I saw a white, ghostly apparition of a puppy, A puppy puffy, 202 00:15:41,559 --> 00:15:46,000 A ghost puppy, Yes, a spirit puppy okay looking out the passenger side 203 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:50,360 window. It was wagging its tail excitedly and pawing at the window. How 204 00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:56,919 cute. Oh my god, this is adorable. I'm getting chills all over 205 00:15:56,960 --> 00:16:00,799 again thinking about it. The puppy had long ears and like a beagle. 206 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:04,720 I jumped back in shock and it disappeared. My first thought was, oh, 207 00:16:04,759 --> 00:16:08,360 man, I'm going crazy or I'm sleep deprived. I continued doing my 208 00:16:08,399 --> 00:16:14,159 inspection check around the trailer and jumped back into the truck. I didn't feel 209 00:16:14,159 --> 00:16:17,039 scared. I just kind of sat there looking at the passenger seat, trying 210 00:16:17,039 --> 00:16:19,519 to figure out if I had really seen what I had seen. I started 211 00:16:19,559 --> 00:16:23,600 the truck and start pulling off, and I start smelling a very faint smell 212 00:16:23,639 --> 00:16:27,960 of a men's cologne. I remember sniffing and trying to figure out where the 213 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:32,720 colonne smell was coming from. The rest of the night, I continued to 214 00:16:32,759 --> 00:16:36,120 smell a faint colonne smell in the truck. For the next few days. 215 00:16:36,159 --> 00:16:38,080 I kept trying to figure out if I had really seen that puppy, and 216 00:16:38,159 --> 00:16:41,600 if I did, why did I see it. Fast forward to Friday of 217 00:16:41,679 --> 00:16:45,559 that same week. I went over to my brother's house so my sister in 218 00:16:45,639 --> 00:16:48,559 law could do my nails. I shared the story of what had happened to 219 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:52,519 me earlier that week, and she said, oh, that reminds me of 220 00:16:52,519 --> 00:16:56,679 a story. She shared that many years ago, her brother had a puppy 221 00:16:56,759 --> 00:17:00,799 that looked just like Shiloh, you know that famous dog, Yes, and 222 00:17:02,080 --> 00:17:06,000 he had decided to sell it to a family. Shortly after he sold it, 223 00:17:06,039 --> 00:17:08,519 the family called him to say that the puppy had ran onto the tracks 224 00:17:08,559 --> 00:17:14,799 and was struck and killed by a train. I grabbed my phone and searched 225 00:17:14,799 --> 00:17:18,759 for pictures of Shiloh, and to my amazement, it looked exactly like the 226 00:17:18,799 --> 00:17:22,160 puppy I saw in the window, but older. I immediately got the chills 227 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:26,640 because I realized, omg, it was a truck driver's spirit with me. 228 00:17:26,559 --> 00:17:30,400 Sharing the story with my sister in law connected the dots from me and answered 229 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:34,039 my questions and doubts about what I had seen. So yes, I strongly 230 00:17:34,039 --> 00:17:38,599 believed that truck driver was accompanying me that night after I left the rail yard, 231 00:17:38,839 --> 00:17:42,759 which also explains why I smelled the faint odor of Amn's cologne. I 232 00:17:42,839 --> 00:17:45,920 have to continue to go to that raillyard, so maybe I'll have another story 233 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:49,279 for you. Well, let us know if you do. Yeah. And 234 00:17:49,319 --> 00:17:55,559 then she just said that she hopes you enjoyed the story and that may give 235 00:17:55,599 --> 00:18:00,079 you full body escalafrios. Honestly you didn't because it so cute. Oh my 236 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:04,920 god. Yeah, or a cat, even some sort of cute animal. 237 00:18:06,039 --> 00:18:08,400 You know, I wouldn't mind being haunted by Yeah, a dog or a 238 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:12,279 cat. Yeah, that is adorable. I feel like the dog was like, 239 00:18:12,359 --> 00:18:15,880 I need to show myself to her because she was very sad when she 240 00:18:17,039 --> 00:18:21,920 was here. Maybe yeah, and maybe even though the overwhelming sadness that she 241 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:26,839 started feeling was probably the guy who had died there. Yeah. And so 242 00:18:26,920 --> 00:18:30,559 then the little Shiloh was like, you know what, No, not in 243 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:33,599 my watch. No one's going to be sad here, not in my row 244 00:18:33,720 --> 00:18:41,279 yard. Oh that was so cute. We rarely get cute ghost stories, 245 00:18:41,319 --> 00:18:45,880 though, that was great. Yes. Oh, well, who wants to 246 00:18:45,920 --> 00:18:48,599 go first? M J? MEI or you? You since it's your first 247 00:18:48,599 --> 00:18:52,319 episode? Okay, okay, you're like, sure, I guess, I 248 00:18:52,319 --> 00:18:57,519 guess usually we h what's the called? It's always you? But I'll go 249 00:18:57,599 --> 00:19:00,599 first. I'm a little bit rested. I'm sorry, guys, we all 250 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:07,680 forgive you the long. COVID is still here, so you're gonna probably hear 251 00:19:07,680 --> 00:19:11,680 me clear my throat a lot. Okay, Oh same though I've been sick. 252 00:19:11,039 --> 00:19:15,000 Yeah, like I got sick back into summer and I still have a 253 00:19:15,039 --> 00:19:19,519 cough. That lingering cough with COVID is insane. It is insane and it 254 00:19:19,559 --> 00:19:25,119 doesn't want to go away. So I will say, like anahistamines do help. 255 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:26,720 But anyways, okay, let's get back to that. Sorry, yes, 256 00:19:26,799 --> 00:19:33,279 yes, okay. So this next legend is the legend of Elbaca, 257 00:19:33,759 --> 00:19:37,799 and it's a legend from both the Dominican Republican Haiti. I am unsure if 258 00:19:37,799 --> 00:19:41,440 it's a single entity or a group of entities, as I also saw that 259 00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:48,680 they refer to them as los baca, so plural, but then some people 260 00:19:48,720 --> 00:19:52,440 think it's only one. I don't know. So what is Elbaca spelled bacca, 261 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:56,519 b a c a or b a ka. It's considered to be a 262 00:19:56,559 --> 00:20:03,240 shape shifting demon. It's often portrayed as being Satan himself. While it's said 263 00:20:03,319 --> 00:20:08,359 to be able to shape shift into any animal, it's usually seen as a 264 00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:15,200 dog or bull. This demon is conjured for wealth success and other desires, 265 00:20:15,519 --> 00:20:21,079 but at a very high price. It is said to demand very big sacrifices 266 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:25,759 in order to grant wealth and success. If its demands or not met, 267 00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:30,240 the pact can backfire, and depending on the source the payment is a loved 268 00:20:30,279 --> 00:20:36,680 one or your very own soul. There is a saying amongst the poor in 269 00:20:37,119 --> 00:20:41,039 the Dominican Republic that when a person has progressed economically, they are protected by 270 00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:47,920 elbaca. In Haiti, elbaka is used to protect a business and assets, 271 00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:52,200 and according to legend, a conjuror must be a man and he has to 272 00:20:52,240 --> 00:21:00,440 offer a son or a relative within the five years of makal success as you're 273 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:04,880 the seventh son of Argentina. Oh yeah yeah. And then like within five 274 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:10,279 years of making the pact, the person who they offered will begin to die 275 00:21:10,559 --> 00:21:15,400 and they will, in legend protect that conjure and his wealth. If the 276 00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:19,960 conjured backs out or regrets doing the pact, the person who they offered to 277 00:21:21,079 --> 00:21:25,920 elbaca will then have a very painful, very violent death as a result. 278 00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:29,279 So once the pact is made, it's in motion. The person offered, 279 00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:33,319 the person offered as payment will die anyways, Wow and sorry, did you 280 00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:37,240 say that you can only offer a male relative or did I make that up 281 00:21:37,279 --> 00:21:40,359 in my head? No, it's some say it's you can only offer a 282 00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:45,759 son or a other relative, but like I think it's like, how how 283 00:21:45,759 --> 00:21:48,920 good of a sacrifice are you giving me? Okay, top tier a son? 284 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:53,599 Okay relative. I did say it with earlier, but I'm fine with 285 00:21:53,680 --> 00:22:00,359 that. So one's going to leave a review about how we hate men again 286 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:11,000 one Sorry, I'm sorry, I can't help it. It said in Haiti 287 00:22:11,039 --> 00:22:15,640 you have to buy a baka, and the article on this doesn't go into 288 00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:18,680 detail on how you buy one. So I'm assuming you go and pay someone 289 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:22,640 to do it, like a witch or something, or someone who practices a 290 00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:27,400 cult some kind of occultism. But it's not said how you buy a bacca. 291 00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:33,319 So I was a little bit confused. Maybe someone from the region can 292 00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:37,400 tell me, like, do you go to like a a witch doctor and 293 00:22:37,759 --> 00:22:42,559 buy like some kind of like spell that they do for you, or is 294 00:22:42,559 --> 00:22:48,079 it buying as in you have to offer payment like metaphorical? What is it? 295 00:22:48,759 --> 00:22:56,400 Why can't or both? So? Yeah, okay, So it is 296 00:22:56,440 --> 00:23:00,759 said that the legend of the bacca was used as a tool by landowners to 297 00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:04,440 bring fear to the people so they wouldn't steal from them. The Lauri is 298 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:10,200 believed to come from Africa and have spread throughout the region during the slave trade. 299 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:14,160 Many of the articles give caution to those who want to conjure up the 300 00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:18,279 baka, as sometimes it might just take some livestock, but sometimes it might 301 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:23,119 leave those who conjure it up in ruins. Wow, that sounds like too 302 00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:26,839 risky. Like yeah, so like even if you do it, if he 303 00:23:26,839 --> 00:23:32,680 doesn't like you, he's gonna be like, mmm, I like you, 304 00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:41,839 You're a girl dead blocked delete And so you said. Sometimes it's like a 305 00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:45,799 dog, right, Yeah, it's either like it's supposed to have to shape 306 00:23:45,799 --> 00:23:51,240 shift. It's considered like a demonic shape shifter, and it's supposed to shape 307 00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:56,400 shift either into any animal, but mostly seen as a dog or a bull. 308 00:23:56,559 --> 00:24:06,680 And interesting, bulls are often like seen as symbols of wealth and prosperity. 309 00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:10,519 Hm hm, So I thought that was interesting, like the bull from 310 00:24:10,559 --> 00:24:17,440 Wall Street. Mm hmm, it's actually in bacca. Oh oh, everybody 311 00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:25,640 in Wall Street has abaca. I do have another story? Do you want 312 00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:33,680 me to like do this one or after yours? Well, I'll do mine. 313 00:24:33,759 --> 00:24:38,480 Yeah, since minus also a shape shifting, uh demonic thing. So 314 00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:45,519 the luguru and the spellion, I've seen like all sorts of spellions. Sometimes 315 00:24:45,519 --> 00:24:48,440 it's l o u like ou, and then I've seen two o's. I 316 00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:55,000 think it's because like it depends on the English translation or if you're reading it 317 00:24:55,039 --> 00:24:57,319 in French. I think. I think there's like a French I think. 318 00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:02,000 And then I also though, but it sounds like it has like a French 319 00:25:02,839 --> 00:25:06,160 It does, actually, yeah, because it's almost the same thing as the 320 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:08,599 French word for it, which is rugaroo. Oh. I have heard of 321 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:15,079 this, Yeah, but I also saw luga wu. So it might depend 322 00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:18,880 like on the accent, like because you know, like there's so many accents 323 00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:23,440 in the area. Yeah, that's true. And this is a legend from 324 00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:29,920 Haiti. So the luguru is part of Haitian folklore and it originated from France, 325 00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:33,240 you know, hold on when they have that. I think they have 326 00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:37,680 that in what's that one place over there in the south in New Orleans. 327 00:25:37,079 --> 00:25:42,400 Yeah, that's where I heard it from. Yeah, yeah, but I 328 00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:48,440 will not be talking about New Orleans, so it has a similar but different 329 00:25:48,519 --> 00:25:52,200 name still in that area. Oh, I think I could be wrong too. 330 00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:55,240 I think you are wrong because I remember I think they covered it and 331 00:25:55,279 --> 00:25:57,079 that's why we drink. And I remember she said lula. Oh my god, 332 00:25:57,079 --> 00:26:04,039 I was gonna say lularo, not the legging, not the MLM. 333 00:26:04,279 --> 00:26:11,799 What was it called the garoo? Yeah, yeah, I remember her saying 334 00:26:11,799 --> 00:26:15,559 that, or sorry, I remember them saying that. So I don't know. 335 00:26:15,599 --> 00:26:17,960 It just sounds familiar and like kind of vaguely. You know, it 336 00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:22,160 probably doesn't have all over the place, especially Arlen, that's yeah, they 337 00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:30,559 were colonizing everywhere. So yes, so it originated from France and then mixed 338 00:26:30,599 --> 00:26:34,880 with African beliefs. And as we talked about a long long time ago in 339 00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:41,519 our Zombies episode, which was like eons ago, France was the reason that 340 00:26:41,559 --> 00:26:45,759 the Scholklers all mixed. Is because France was responsible for the slave trade in 341 00:26:45,799 --> 00:26:49,799 the Caribbean and the French it was terrible. I feel like they don't get 342 00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:56,200 enough hate. Yeah, thank you for this specifically because obviously we all hate 343 00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:59,599 the United States for their involvement in the slave trade. But I feel like 344 00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:03,079 everybody focuses in the United States and nobody talks about France, but the French 345 00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:08,359 were important. Thirty thousand to forty thousand enslaved Africans a year, which is 346 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:14,319 more than double the number of Africans traffic to North America. More than double. 347 00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:18,519 Wow, I've heard that figure before. Yeah, my family has always 348 00:27:18,559 --> 00:27:26,200 hated the French though, because they tried to colonize or invade Mexico. Yes, 349 00:27:26,519 --> 00:27:30,960 always had hate. I've always said the battle, they did it twice. 350 00:27:30,519 --> 00:27:36,200 Yeah, yeah, they did it twice because and all that. That 351 00:27:36,319 --> 00:27:41,519 was the second French intervention in Mexico. That's what it's called. It was 352 00:27:41,559 --> 00:27:44,799 a long name for it. So yeah, that was the second time they 353 00:27:44,839 --> 00:27:48,000 did that. They lost that battle, then they went on to win a 354 00:27:48,039 --> 00:27:52,880 little bit more and then it took like another two years for Emperor Prince Guy 355 00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:57,440 died or whatever, Emperor Maximilian. Yeah, the second I know too much 356 00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:03,759 about this, Sorry, I could go on. I finished my notes on 357 00:28:03,839 --> 00:28:07,200 Tinkle, like, Oh, that's why it's fresh in years. It's very 358 00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:11,759 fresh in my mind, and I haven't got it out of my system. 359 00:28:11,799 --> 00:28:15,880 I haven't talked to anyone about it. Club. Yeah, well I'm here 360 00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:18,599 for it. Yeah. So yeah, we need to hate them a little 361 00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:26,559 more because it was terrible and their treatment of the enslaved it was brutal, 362 00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:33,000 Like obviously it's bad already, but it was so violent the conditions that these 363 00:28:33,599 --> 00:28:38,480 men and women went through, it was atrocious. The average life expectancy for 364 00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:45,759 an enslaved person in Haiti was twenty one years old. Wow, and wow, 365 00:28:45,359 --> 00:28:49,039 it was terrible. We had the exact numbers of how many The reason 366 00:28:49,079 --> 00:28:52,039 they had to keep traffic in so many Africans is because they were killing so 367 00:28:52,119 --> 00:28:56,480 many of them and their enslavement of them. That's how bad it was. 368 00:28:57,039 --> 00:29:03,319 And uh and the alone that was like one third of the entire Atlantic slave 369 00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:07,720 trade. That's how big these numbers are. So yeah, that's why French 370 00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:11,920 and Haitian and Africa, or that's why Haitian folklore is a mix of French 371 00:29:11,039 --> 00:29:18,400 and African beliefs, which we talked way more in depth about in our zombie 372 00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:21,720 episode. If anyone wants to go way back to listen to that, sorry, 373 00:29:21,759 --> 00:29:25,160 because we didn't know how to podcast back then, not that we know 374 00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:27,440 how now, but it was worse back then. We're a little bit better, 375 00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:33,599 Yeah, we're a little bit better. So yeah, even the name 376 00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:37,200 lou I was gonna say little real to them I'm sorry even the name of 377 00:29:40,319 --> 00:29:44,839 leggings. They really are. They're also fucking ugly, they really are. 378 00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:52,400 I still see something at Goodwill sometimes, yeah, probably better. I don't 379 00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:56,720 know, like like if the MLM is still like functioning, like a I 380 00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:59,920 thought they closed down or something. I have no idea, I don't know. 381 00:30:00,039 --> 00:30:03,000 That was another one. I never liked them, and I remember people 382 00:30:03,039 --> 00:30:04,799 would go crazy, Oh, I think over like the Disney prints or something 383 00:30:04,839 --> 00:30:11,160 like that. Always yeah, yeah, yeah. I remember seeing them first 384 00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:14,160 and I was like, oh, those are a little quirky, but I 385 00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:17,279 didn't like, I think they were cute. But then someone I knew would 386 00:30:17,279 --> 00:30:18,839 just wore them, like that's all they wore. And then they every time 387 00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:22,440 I saw them they had new leggings, and I was like, okay, 388 00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:25,119 this is a bit much like the first part I saw. I was like, 389 00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:26,279 oh, those are cute to them, just I don't know, it's 390 00:30:26,279 --> 00:30:30,480 a compliment, and like, not that I thought they were cute. They 391 00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:33,160 didn't try to recruit you or didn't no, I know. Actually they went 392 00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:37,000 on a long ass like rant about not rants. Sorry, they went on 393 00:30:37,039 --> 00:30:41,960 a long spiel that's the word I was looking for, spiel about how their 394 00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:45,160 friend sells the leggings and they're like this much and you can get them online 395 00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:48,279 and she'll like ship them to you. And I was like, oh, 396 00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:51,319 like, I don't want them. I was just telling you they were cute. 397 00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:53,599 They're cute for you. You, yes, look at on you. 398 00:30:53,839 --> 00:31:00,440 I don think I can pull them off leatic way of saying that, Yeah, 399 00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:06,839 that's what I said too, because I'm very tolmatic. So anyway, 400 00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:11,440 these are not lularo's. This is terrible. We're gonna keep thinking this, 401 00:31:11,559 --> 00:31:18,319 Okay. So even the word lugaroo is similar to the French term for werewolf, 402 00:31:18,319 --> 00:31:33,160 which is brugaroo. I feel like fucking scooby doo. That's why it 403 00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:37,720 was so funny. I could have been in I was like, excuse me, 404 00:31:41,839 --> 00:31:45,599 that's the last time I'm saying the French term for it, because I 405 00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:52,680 can't. Okay. So, but what's different about this and other werewolf legends 406 00:31:52,839 --> 00:31:57,440 or like folklore is that this were wolf is always a woman. Oh no, 407 00:31:59,039 --> 00:32:05,759 oh feminism, yes, for what they called support woman in their good 408 00:32:05,759 --> 00:32:13,960 in their bad or what do they say, like it sounds familiar women in 409 00:32:14,079 --> 00:32:21,319 their good deeds or misdeas or some shit like that. Okay, and doing 410 00:32:21,359 --> 00:32:28,880 the full moon. Yeah, and also also the full moon, so the 411 00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:36,720 lugaroo is not inherently evil. Some say that a woman becomes a lugaroo because 412 00:32:37,359 --> 00:32:42,839 it's like an elder lady who displeas a hoogan, which is a male priest 413 00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:45,279 in voodoo, so if she makes him mad or something, he curses her 414 00:32:45,359 --> 00:32:51,200 to become the lugaroo. Others say that a woman is cursed by by a 415 00:32:51,319 --> 00:32:55,519 boco, which is a practitioner of black magic in voodoo, so like an 416 00:32:55,519 --> 00:33:00,480 evil voodoo wizard, not wizard sorcerer, and then he's the one who has 417 00:33:00,519 --> 00:33:07,559 to curse an elderly woman to become the lugaroo. Others believe that it's inherited, 418 00:33:07,799 --> 00:33:12,039 so if like this elderly woman, or if a woman not even just 419 00:33:12,079 --> 00:33:15,200 elderly, although it said elderly a lot, but yeah, if a woman 420 00:33:15,519 --> 00:33:20,680 is a lugaroo, then it's passed on through the lineage of like women, 421 00:33:20,799 --> 00:33:25,599 so then the next daughter will have the curse as well, and the lugaroo 422 00:33:27,279 --> 00:33:31,640 can transform into this like half woman, half wolf creature or sometimes just all 423 00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:37,119 wolf. Sometimes it's a dog or a cat or a chicken or a snake. 424 00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:40,400 Wow. So yeah, it's not always a wolf. It's also said 425 00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:46,400 that they have this ability to shape shift into a werewolf because they are possessed 426 00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:51,559 by a demon. And so you're gonna stay possessed by an owl like the 427 00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:54,480 meme? What mean there's a meme? Yeah, it's like someone here is 428 00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:59,839 possessed by an owl. Oh, I'm behind on them and they say who 429 00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:06,240 and then you double take. Really, I haven't seen this. I'm gonna 430 00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:09,159 need you to send it to me. And then yeah, both of us. 431 00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:12,800 Actually, Carmen, I need to say I need to add you to 432 00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:19,440 our speaktas group chat. Oh also named in the book club book. Oh 433 00:34:19,519 --> 00:34:23,800 yeah, I forget, we also have that chat. Okay, So, 434 00:34:24,639 --> 00:34:30,760 like most shape shifting women's stories, they are said to suck the blood of 435 00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:34,719 babies and young kids. I mean, how else you're going to keep their 436 00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:40,960 youth exactly? Yeah? Okay, and so, oh perfect, I'm gonna 437 00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:44,320 take it. Should we look at it? Right? Break? Right, 438 00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:49,719 let's look at this, boss. I think someone in the office is possessed 439 00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:57,920 by someone in the office, because that's by now yeah, turned, because 440 00:34:59,079 --> 00:35:06,719 oh my god, does that's pretty good? I love it. Okay, 441 00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:15,199 So I'm glad you mentioned that okay, so back to the Lugu. Sorry 442 00:35:15,199 --> 00:35:22,320 I can't get yeah luluo and out of my head. This is terrible. 443 00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:27,960 Okay. So the Lugaroo are said to be able to fly either by turning 444 00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:30,880 into a bird or by taking off their skin and turning into a ball of 445 00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:37,519 fire. That sounds familiar, does it not? Right? Immediately I was 446 00:35:37,559 --> 00:35:45,639 like, oh my god, let's they moved. Although now I'm starting to 447 00:35:45,679 --> 00:35:52,480 realize this might be a common thing everywhere. Yeah, like belief because another 448 00:35:52,599 --> 00:35:59,840 time you and I am J talked about a legend from Dinaden to Bag, 449 00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:05,519 Oh my god, to Bag to trund Dad and Tobago. Because I was 450 00:36:05,599 --> 00:36:07,679 starting saying in Spanish and then I couldn't say the second half. I was 451 00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:10,440 like, am I going to say the second half in Spanish or English? 452 00:36:12,039 --> 00:36:19,599 That's Spanish people, right, But there's the legend of the suku Ya or 453 00:36:19,639 --> 00:36:22,840 something like that there, and it's like this thing that turns into a ball 454 00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:27,679 of fire. So yeah, common belief in a lot of places, I 455 00:36:27,679 --> 00:36:30,360 think. And I think it's also like common in what is it called Eastern 456 00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:35,599 Europe where the balls of fire with the but I'm not sure if they think 457 00:36:35,599 --> 00:36:40,920 it's witches. But oh, the boss of fire in like the forest m 458 00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:45,119 in eastern Europe. Yeah, and then a Chandena has a different balls of 459 00:36:45,159 --> 00:36:49,119 fire. Oh, and I figured out the quote that I was trying to 460 00:36:49,119 --> 00:37:04,360 say. We support women's rights and wrongs, oh misdeeds, miss oh we 461 00:37:04,519 --> 00:37:07,079 god? Okay, that makes sense. Okay, yes we do. We 462 00:37:07,119 --> 00:37:13,760 do support that. So here we love the lugaroo. Yeah. So they 463 00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:17,880 either turn their skin off, turn their skins this is such a bad first 464 00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:25,719 episode. Were coming back to here. They take their skin off, enter 465 00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:30,519 into a qualifier and travel that way. There's other versions that say that before 466 00:37:30,599 --> 00:37:35,840 they transformed they had to they have to salute the four corners. And this 467 00:37:36,039 --> 00:37:38,360 is like a voodoo thing. I think I could not find details on it 468 00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:43,960 other than it's like a thing that is done, but I don't know what 469 00:37:44,079 --> 00:37:47,480 it entails. Unfortunately, I feel like I've heard that, but in Wicca. 470 00:37:49,039 --> 00:37:52,199 I'm not entirely sure. I've heard that somewhere too. Okay, okay, 471 00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:54,480 so it is it is a thing. I feel like I heard it 472 00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:58,320 in Wicca, though I could be wrong. Don't come for me. I 473 00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:00,960 can't say where I heard it, but it was someone at their nose and 474 00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:06,119 they can tell us thank you, future prison, that's gonna tell us. 475 00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:12,519 So they say that if you stop them from salutine, then they don't transform 476 00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:15,679 into a wolf. I don't know what happens to them, though, I 477 00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:21,960 wonder. Also when they become an animal, their eyes glow red. So 478 00:38:22,039 --> 00:38:25,280 that's why you know it is one, because it's a werewolf with glowing red 479 00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:29,559 eyes, or a chicken with red eyes, or you know, whatever animal 480 00:38:29,559 --> 00:38:36,159 they transform into. And the lugaroo is quite dangerous no matter how they became 481 00:38:36,199 --> 00:38:38,559 the lugaroo, if they were cursed, if they were born that way, 482 00:38:39,599 --> 00:38:44,679 because they're angry that they have to be this thing, you know that shape 483 00:38:44,679 --> 00:38:50,599 shifts, and so they typically target goats and other smaller animals. However, 484 00:38:50,639 --> 00:38:54,400 they do also, like I said earlier, suck the blood of children and 485 00:38:54,519 --> 00:39:00,000 babies, and they were said to abduct children by taking them back to their 486 00:39:00,119 --> 00:39:01,679 layer or whatever. I don't know where they live, or they'll just like 487 00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:06,880 kill them there and you know, suck their blood. They don't usually attack 488 00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:12,119 adults, but it does happen. And actually after the earthquake in Haiti, 489 00:39:12,119 --> 00:39:15,559 you know, like the terrible one that happened in twenty ten, there was 490 00:39:15,119 --> 00:39:24,079 several stories of Luguru sightings and there were even people set up guards to guard 491 00:39:24,119 --> 00:39:30,480 the homeless shelters because of the alleged Luguru sightings, people were scared and so 492 00:39:30,519 --> 00:39:35,840 there was shifts of people looking out and there was actually lynchings of people that 493 00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:39,920 were accused to be lugurus. And sadly it's probably women because they are the 494 00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:46,199 ones that become lugurus. So I mean, as always, these stories usually 495 00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:52,840 do have like a darker real life component to them, so that's very unfortunate. 496 00:39:52,159 --> 00:39:58,840 And I did find some true stories. So the following one is from 497 00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:04,400 Reddit, and I did not read them beforehand, so again I'm sorry. 498 00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:07,920 If the same thing happens from the Lichusa story, I will never live that 499 00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:16,280 down. So this is a Luguru encounter from Reddit, submitted by user Butch 500 00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:21,639 cassidy Kid and it's nine years old. So a couple of years ago, 501 00:40:21,679 --> 00:40:25,639 I spent some time in the Dominican Republic, which borders Haiti. The Dominican 502 00:40:25,679 --> 00:40:30,079 Republic is a lush tropical paradise. Most of Haiti is nothing like that, 503 00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:38,440 really, Okay, some people have strong feelings about Haiti and the dr and 504 00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:45,280 they have strong feelings towards each other. Yeah, they do so due to 505 00:40:45,519 --> 00:40:50,639 decades of political bullshit. It's basically a barren wasteland and now one of the 506 00:40:50,679 --> 00:40:55,559 poorest countries in the Western Hemisphere. However, Haitian people have a spirituality that's 507 00:40:55,760 --> 00:41:00,880 unrivaled anywhere I've been. Because of the situation, there are a lot of 508 00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:05,440 people head east to the dr legally or illegally. One of my roommates had 509 00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:08,719 one of the craziest, creepiest life stories I've ever heard. I went there 510 00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:15,159 with him once and there's an over overwhelming feeling of I don't even know how 511 00:41:15,199 --> 00:41:19,480 to put it. Standing on a roof and a slum with no electricity, 512 00:41:19,639 --> 00:41:23,800 listening to people singing in Creyole. There's a mixture of French and various African 513 00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:30,480 language parteses from maybe three or four different churches or ceremonies, watching fires burn 514 00:41:30,599 --> 00:41:34,440 up on the mountains, no electricity. It's beautiful and eerie. He swears 515 00:41:34,639 --> 00:41:38,920 this is how it was when this happened. So we'll call him Williamson. 516 00:41:39,599 --> 00:41:45,719 His mother was a Voodoo mambo, which is one of the most practiced religions 517 00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:51,480 in Haiti and ingrained into their culture. His dad was a major drug dealer 518 00:41:51,519 --> 00:41:53,800 in his city who fucked off and started a new family. When he was 519 00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:58,519 very young, he lived with his mom in a slum on the outskirts of 520 00:41:58,559 --> 00:42:05,159 the city. Because tree and therefore charcoal is so hard to come by, 521 00:42:06,079 --> 00:42:10,639 people rob graves for the coffins themselves. His childhood memories include being sent to 522 00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:15,440 the cemetery to collect bones for his mother's potions and powders. As a teenager, 523 00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:21,480 they'd go collect schools and drink barbon cort rum out of them. Okay, 524 00:42:22,039 --> 00:42:24,840 I don't if I believe that, me neither. What the fuck? 525 00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:32,320 Sorry, let's suspend our disbelief, hold judgment until the end. Yeah, 526 00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:36,960 yeah, that too. Okay. So when he was about eight or nine, 527 00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:39,800 it was well known in his slum not to wander around at night because 528 00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:47,199 of the loogaroos. It's a Creole variation of the loop garou French for werewolf. 529 00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:51,519 See some places said it was loop garou and other places said it was 530 00:42:51,519 --> 00:43:00,239 a boogaroo. Okay. So they believe in shaf shutters, those who turned 531 00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:04,559 into animals and lure children into the night for God knows what to suck their 532 00:43:04,599 --> 00:43:08,599 blood, to suck their blood the fuck so being fucking weird. Okay, 533 00:43:08,679 --> 00:43:15,599 so read a person from nine fucking years ago. They used animal noises, 534 00:43:15,679 --> 00:43:20,440 the sound of laughing or playing kids, or even a familiar voice calling you 535 00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:25,239 that creepy when that is so creepy, anything that mimics something else that you 536 00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:29,000 know, it's like somebody you know or your own boy. Yeah that's creepy, 537 00:43:29,119 --> 00:43:32,519 Yeah, horrifying. One night he heard oinking coming from the street. 538 00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:37,320 He thought it was strange because pigs weren't common where he lives, and none 539 00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:43,559 of his neighbors owned them. Superstitious Williamson didn't go outside. The next night, 540 00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:45,760 he heard the same thing, but louder again. He stayed in his 541 00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:51,480 little concrete house. The night after that, he heard the grunting and oinking 542 00:43:51,599 --> 00:43:57,400 again, this time much closer, too close in the room. He scanned 543 00:43:57,400 --> 00:44:00,880 the room from his bed and didn't see anything. Then he looked up in 544 00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:07,199 the top corner in his almost pitch dark bedroom, he saw eyes. Terrified, 545 00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:12,280 he hid under his sheet and willed it away, expecting not to wake 546 00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:15,400 up in the same bed, if at all. When he woke up, 547 00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:21,079 the sheet was covered in blood that wasn't his. Apparently no one was really 548 00:44:21,119 --> 00:44:24,079 shocked by it. His mother held a ceremony and he says they put something 549 00:44:24,159 --> 00:44:29,159 into the back of his neck to protect him. Two years later, his 550 00:44:29,199 --> 00:44:31,719 mother was murdered by a man in their slum. Everyone knows who it was, 551 00:44:32,119 --> 00:44:35,880 but the justice system is so corrupt there that nothing came of it. 552 00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:44,679 And he moved to the Dominican Republic himself illegally. Just out him. Yeah, 553 00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:49,440 right, fucking snitching on Williamson, bitch. He's twenty two now and 554 00:44:49,519 --> 00:44:52,199 living and working in Canada. Most of his friends are still struggling. His 555 00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:57,159 wares has happened, and whatever they put in his neck is the reason for 556 00:44:57,239 --> 00:45:00,559 his semi charmed life. Most of his friends are still stuck in Haiti or 557 00:45:00,639 --> 00:45:06,400 the dr either being hustlers or doing nothing or in jail. When he was 558 00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:09,360 twenty, he went back to Haiti and killed the guy who murdered his mom, 559 00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:14,639 and don't blame him. The earthquake happened around the same time, and 560 00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:19,559 with everything in chaos, he managed to escape Scott free. A few months 561 00:45:19,599 --> 00:45:22,719 later, he married a friend of mine and moved to Canada. I asked 562 00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:24,760 him what was in his neck. He said he wasn't sure, but he 563 00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:29,800 suspected it was one of the bones he collected from the graveyard or cemetery. 564 00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:34,760 Haitians are mostly amazing people, but that's fucking crazy. And if you ask 565 00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:39,119 him, and if you ask him, true, who ends a sentence like 566 00:45:39,119 --> 00:45:43,559 that? A story like this is true? No, they just wrote and 567 00:45:43,599 --> 00:45:49,760 if you ask him, comma true distinct that's what he meant, right, 568 00:45:51,119 --> 00:45:55,239 Okay, I don't know. Yeah, it's just weird. We me Yeah. 569 00:45:55,320 --> 00:46:00,599 And although it's not uncommon for a shape shifter or a man to be 570 00:46:00,639 --> 00:46:05,840 a lugaru like it's it happens a little bit. I'm wondering what if what 571 00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:13,480 if the man who murdered his mom was the lugarou that he heard in his 572 00:46:13,599 --> 00:46:17,679 room? That would make sense. Maybe I don't know, I don't know. 573 00:46:19,199 --> 00:46:22,280 I don't know, or maybe it was just some other luguru. I 574 00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:28,280 don't know. I hate the way they wrote the story, but yeah, 575 00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:34,360 I just want to emphasize that no human is illegal, not according to this 576 00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:37,679 reditor. Yeah. Yeah, and yeah, I mean immigration from Haiti to 577 00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:44,760 the Dominican Republic is wild right now and it always has been. They're deporting 578 00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:49,679 a bunch of Haitians back into Haiti as we speak Haiti. Isn't turmoil right 579 00:46:49,679 --> 00:46:54,599 now? Read about it if you haven't. There's an excellent episode of Elo 580 00:46:54,880 --> 00:47:00,000 that just came out that talks about the situation there. So yeah, yeah, 581 00:47:00,559 --> 00:47:06,480 anyway, I have another story that maybe is a little better. This 582 00:47:06,559 --> 00:47:08,400 one is from someone's grandma, from a blog that I found. It has 583 00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:12,679 to be better then it's not from Yeah, it's not from bread, so 584 00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:16,199 automatically better. So and a dark night, an old lady was walking down 585 00:47:16,199 --> 00:47:21,119 the street on her way to get to her little house. She was northwest 586 00:47:21,159 --> 00:47:25,320 of Port Out Prince in a small town called boys Jore. As she walked 587 00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:29,800 down the street, she heard someone call out to her. She looked around 588 00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:34,119 and saw a man standing a little behind her. Who are you? Haven't 589 00:47:34,119 --> 00:47:37,400 seen the likes of you around? She said, looking at the man. 590 00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:39,960 Ah me, I'm just passing by and was looking for a place to say, 591 00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:45,320 he said in return, She looked him head to toe before signing and 592 00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:49,239 pointing a bit ahead of her. Just up there you'll find a nice keeper. 593 00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:52,320 Her name is Stephanie, and done to get no bright ideas, she 594 00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:57,519 totally. In return, he nodded and bowed before quickly walking past her and 595 00:47:57,599 --> 00:48:01,519 towards the keeper. He turned and yelled back, messy, I'm not saying 596 00:48:01,559 --> 00:48:06,760 that in this language, because it's going to be terrible. He turned and 597 00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:09,800 yelled back, thanks, stay safe. She shook her head before feeling something 598 00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:14,440 in her pocket. She took it out and looked at it, wondering where 599 00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:17,840 it had came from, before she realized it had cursed her. It was 600 00:48:19,639 --> 00:48:24,679 when of dark origins called a dark point, and before she knew it, 601 00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:29,840 she felt her skin loosen from her body, and she felt herself catching on 602 00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:34,119 fire. Her skin had began to drop and turned to ash as the rest 603 00:48:34,159 --> 00:48:37,840 of her body turned into this flowing yellow battle of flames. She was so 604 00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:43,920 mad about what that man had done that she took to the skies and flew 605 00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:47,360 towards Stephanie's little inn. Once she was there, the man was nowhere in 606 00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:52,840 sight. That made her even more angry. She flew towards the local farm 607 00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:55,440 and took her rage out on the animals, killing several small ones. She 608 00:48:55,519 --> 00:48:59,599 realized what she had done and turned back into her normal self and began to 609 00:48:59,599 --> 00:49:02,960 cry. She quickly made her way from the farm and headed towards the house, 610 00:49:04,079 --> 00:49:07,800 never to be seen by those people. Again. Damn man, that 611 00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:14,599 sucks. Mm hmmm. This man, this bitch ass man turned her into 612 00:49:14,679 --> 00:49:20,960 a lugaroo not a man. Crusty, dusty and musty man. Yeah. 613 00:49:21,599 --> 00:49:27,719 Wow, Now I now I feel for them. Not only did I already 614 00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:30,079 like them, but now my heart, my heart breaks for them. They 615 00:49:30,199 --> 00:49:36,960 tortured they that's why we support their wrongs. Yeah. Yeah, that was 616 00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:38,760 better than the redd story. I like that one. Yeah, yeah, 617 00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:47,519 this was better. This was not filled with prejudices. Fuck hatie and that 618 00:49:47,519 --> 00:49:54,440 that's basically what they Their whole story was the bear and wasteland. I bet 619 00:49:54,480 --> 00:50:00,960 you the writer was the crusty and musty and dusty guy. Yeah, I 620 00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:06,559 think so. Okay, well we have reached the end of the episode. 621 00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:13,800 Well I still have one story, unless you want to save that one. 622 00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:16,679 Oh no, I forgot, No, let's hear your story. It's not 623 00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:21,400 long, I remember. Yeah, it's pretty sure. This one's called This 624 00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:25,960 is nothing about shape shifters, but this is a very popular legend, and 625 00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:30,480 it's called La Rubia de la Americas, and it's one of the most popular 626 00:50:30,519 --> 00:50:37,119 ghost stings. Hot. Yes, and she owns it. No Pipy here. 627 00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:44,440 One of the most popular ghost settings in the Dominican republic is that of 628 00:50:44,559 --> 00:50:47,519 La Rubia de las Americas, which translates to the Blonde of the Americas, 629 00:50:47,559 --> 00:50:52,320 and according to legends, sometimes between nineteen seventy eight and nineteen eighty, there 630 00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:59,599 was an accident on Las America's Avenue in the Via Duarte sector. I don't 631 00:50:59,599 --> 00:51:01,480 know where that is, but I know it's an avenue, it's a street. 632 00:51:02,679 --> 00:51:07,480 We know this. I know that a woman, specifically a blond woman, 633 00:51:07,559 --> 00:51:14,840 had died, and there are stories on nacional dot com dot do. 634 00:51:15,079 --> 00:51:19,480 I was working as a taxi driver in the area when one night a woman 635 00:51:19,599 --> 00:51:25,000 stopped me and told me to take her home in the Las Frutas urban nisasion. 636 00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:29,280 When we were getting to the place, I look back and there was 637 00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:30,920 no one in the car. I didn't stop. I don't know what happened, 638 00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:38,039 said driver Fusi Santos. Other drivers, such as Luis Ramidz, narrate 639 00:51:38,119 --> 00:51:42,960 similar situations with a woman of the same appearance. He says that on one 640 00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:45,920 occasion, he was walking along Las America's Avenue around two o'clock in the morning, 641 00:51:46,239 --> 00:51:52,239 and when he arrived at Savana Laiga Avenue, he was approached by a 642 00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:54,679 blonde woman asking for a ride. She told me to take her to Costa 643 00:51:54,760 --> 00:52:02,360 Rica Street with Saint Vincent. I went the latter way, and when I 644 00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:06,760 arrived in Costa Rica, there was no one in the vehicle. The tremors 645 00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:08,360 took hold of me, but I never lost control and kept going. He 646 00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:13,360 says, damn, So it's like that. What is it called the ghost 647 00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:15,519 hitchhiker? I yeah, I was gonna say. I love a woman on 648 00:52:15,559 --> 00:52:20,960 the road asking for rides and then disappearing and causing car accidents. She knows 649 00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:25,280 where she wants, she asked what she wants. She wants a ride to 650 00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:30,480 scare the ship out of the man. Oh yeah, I love those stories 651 00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:35,159 because they're everywhere and they're always a little bit different but the same at the 652 00:52:35,159 --> 00:52:37,679 same time. I love it. Oh that was a good one. Okay, 653 00:52:37,679 --> 00:52:43,480 now we reached the end of the station. Okay, well before we 654 00:52:43,519 --> 00:52:49,159 go, do either of you have any spooky recommendations. I have a spooky 655 00:52:49,199 --> 00:52:53,639 recommendation, not like paranormal speakye, but like real life spooky, like to 656 00:52:53,760 --> 00:53:00,800 crime ish. I listened to the audiobook of Hold Pull It Up, so 657 00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:04,480 I get the name right. It's by Ronan Farrow. If you heard of 658 00:53:04,519 --> 00:53:09,920 it. It's like about his investigation into Harvey Wine. I never say his 659 00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:15,960 name, right, Weinstein, Weinstein, who cares? Yeah, tru Harvey 660 00:53:16,559 --> 00:53:22,840 we predator. Yeah yeah. So it's called catch and kill lies, spies 661 00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:28,519 and a conspiracy to protect predators. So it's about his he was working, 662 00:53:28,599 --> 00:53:34,039 I want to say it was NBC and he was like doing like investigative journalism 663 00:53:34,239 --> 00:53:39,679 like tv uh for them when one of his higher ups pitched this story to 664 00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:45,440 him because he was hearing like rumblings about it, and so he writes about 665 00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:49,280 his process. Basically, if NBC shutting his shit down, not letting him 666 00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:53,840 investigate, that's not suspicious. Yeah. And then also like the network of 667 00:53:54,599 --> 00:53:59,639 what's the word, you know, like those agencies like black was, Black 668 00:53:59,679 --> 00:54:02,480 Truth something like that, black Box what was it called? They were a 669 00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:07,239 black Cube, black Cube, I think that was it. It's like a 670 00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:14,480 private investigation type place, like a inform what are they called? Not private 671 00:54:14,519 --> 00:54:20,920 investigation, it's like a CIA type of organization, but it's a private organization 672 00:54:21,199 --> 00:54:27,920 from Israel. What yeah, hell, I'm sorry what okay? They're always 673 00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:35,199 black Cube yeah for real, apparently they are always involved always and oh my 674 00:54:35,239 --> 00:54:39,840 god. Yeah, And so they were hired by Weinstein too over his you 675 00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:45,840 know, years of abuse and predation to harass his victims, shut down his 676 00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:52,320 victims. They had been hired by and it wasn't Weinstein, Like, well, 677 00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:54,000 it was, yeah, it was him and his attorneys that hired Black 678 00:54:54,039 --> 00:55:00,599 Cube. I'm pretty sure I'm saying that right. And then and then writes 679 00:55:00,599 --> 00:55:07,679 about how he was stocked, but also how the private investigators that were stocking 680 00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:13,400 him and like investigating him, they didn't even know that they were being hired 681 00:55:13,519 --> 00:55:17,159 to like stock journalists, and then they didn't agree with that, so they 682 00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:23,280 were basically whistleblowers. And wow, it's such a good book. It's okay. 683 00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:28,360 And I listened to the audiobook, which I liked because there's like a 684 00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:34,800 recording that is from Winstein himself and it's horrible, awful. It was captured 685 00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:39,760 when one of his victims went to report him and then the police were like, 686 00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:44,639 okay, try to get him to confess and record it. And that's 687 00:55:44,679 --> 00:55:46,960 where the audio is from, and so it's included in the book. And 688 00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:52,880 then Ronan does like a bunch of different accents when he's portraying different people. 689 00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:55,679 It was really good. I liked it, and it was just like the 690 00:55:57,559 --> 00:56:04,719 depths of the conspiracy. They're wild. Okay, I need to check this 691 00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:07,519 out. Yeah, so how do you recommend that? Yeah, the true 692 00:56:07,519 --> 00:56:10,559 horror I'm watching is like the one that everybody's watching right now, which is 693 00:56:10,599 --> 00:56:14,599 quite on set. Oh, I can't wait to go visit you, Christina. 694 00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:15,760 I'm waiting. Yeah, I'm waiting for coming to visit me so we 695 00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:22,559 can watch it together. Which also, guess who who what connections Dan Schneider 696 00:56:22,599 --> 00:56:25,519 had, which I'm pretty sure if you've seen my my Instagram stories, he 697 00:56:25,559 --> 00:56:31,639 had connections with what's what's that one guy's name that got Clinton? I forgot 698 00:56:31,639 --> 00:56:36,719 his name? An attorney, No, the the guy that they captured, 699 00:56:36,760 --> 00:56:43,159 the human trafficker Epstein. Yeah, and oh of course he did. Of 700 00:56:43,199 --> 00:56:45,320 course he did. And he also say like he loves Israel or something like 701 00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:49,880 when I said, they're always involved, they're always involved. I did see 702 00:56:49,880 --> 00:56:57,480 your story. Yeahs m to say the least, the least, the least. 703 00:56:59,159 --> 00:57:01,199 Wow, Yeah, I gotta watch that still. I keep seeing clips 704 00:57:01,199 --> 00:57:06,239 about it and stuff. It was no the first the first two episodes, 705 00:57:06,320 --> 00:57:10,239 like, you watch it and it just keeps getting worse and worse and worse, 706 00:57:10,599 --> 00:57:15,199 and then a lot of like the stars kind of like not the not 707 00:57:15,320 --> 00:57:19,679 the main stars, but like kind of like the background actors are coming out. 708 00:57:20,199 --> 00:57:23,199 And there was a girl who was working on the Naked Brothers band that 709 00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:29,199 came saw that. I saw that. It just gets worse and worse, 710 00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:35,360 worse and worse. And then there's also a thing where uh Amanda binds, 711 00:57:35,519 --> 00:57:39,480 they were bringing up that she had a fake Twitter account. I have that's 712 00:57:39,519 --> 00:57:45,079 actually not her. You were saying the same thing. Yeah, and then 713 00:57:45,159 --> 00:57:51,440 it's been proven to not to have someone else and that person got sued by 714 00:57:51,480 --> 00:57:57,639 Amanda Bndes for impersonating her. So well good because there's also rumors that Schneider 715 00:57:57,800 --> 00:58:02,159 is what's her name's baby daddy Jamie Lynn. Jamie Lin spears, Yeah, 716 00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:07,679 I'm like, it's it's wild, it's wild. What I don't like that 717 00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:10,039 the movie came out and people are like, why isn't Amana Baying saying anything? 718 00:58:10,360 --> 00:58:15,760 Why isn't Ariana Grande saying anything? She doesn't have to say anything if 719 00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:19,840 she doesn't want to an Yeah, and like that's also like the thing like 720 00:58:20,280 --> 00:58:22,639 victims don't have to if they don't, and they're harassing them. In the 721 00:58:22,679 --> 00:58:28,559 IG comments and stuff her like the other girl Jade, the one that plays 722 00:58:28,599 --> 00:58:30,880 Jade on the show, Victoria, who was married too, But that's creepy. 723 00:58:30,920 --> 00:58:35,639 Also yeah, yeah, that's a whole other problem. Yeah, she 724 00:58:35,719 --> 00:58:39,760 got married to someone who worked on set who was like thirty somethings and she 725 00:58:39,880 --> 00:58:44,800 met him she was like fourteen fourteen. Oh yeah, she met him young 726 00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:46,760 on the show. But I think they started dating when she was nineteen. 727 00:58:47,559 --> 00:58:52,599 I thought it was eighteen. It might have been. I don't know it. 728 00:58:52,639 --> 00:58:53,840 But it seemed like he was waiting for her to turn yeah, which 729 00:58:53,880 --> 00:58:59,719 is like, yeah, yeah, just disgusting. Yeah, but it just 730 00:59:00,159 --> 00:59:02,440 getting worse and worse. But even in her own book, Jane mc curdie 731 00:59:02,519 --> 00:59:07,559 said that she dated someone who worked in Nickelodeon two. Yeah, as soon 732 00:59:07,599 --> 00:59:10,800 as she's thirteen and he was thirty something too. And then what's her name, 733 00:59:12,239 --> 00:59:16,519 Rebel Wilson Also today, I think came out again, came out and 734 00:59:16,559 --> 00:59:22,400 said stuff about the borat guys. Yeah, she's been saying that since twenty 735 00:59:22,440 --> 00:59:25,960 fourteen, Sasha whatever, I can't remember. It's not new. Her book 736 00:59:27,000 --> 00:59:30,400 is coming out and so she talked about it before. Either it's getting more 737 00:59:30,440 --> 00:59:34,400 pressed because of the book, but she had she named him and this situation 738 00:59:34,639 --> 00:59:38,000 back in twenty fourteen, and like, yeah, from the thing I read, 739 00:59:38,840 --> 00:59:43,960 fucking disgusting. I haven't even looked into it, like I just know 740 00:59:44,159 --> 00:59:47,719 that she said it. Okay, I'm gonna look into him, something about 741 00:59:47,760 --> 00:59:52,239 how she walked into a room and he there was him and another group of 742 00:59:52,239 --> 00:59:54,760 men there, and he was like trying to get her to do something like 743 00:59:54,840 --> 01:00:00,000 sexual really and she was like some kind of like sodomy or something. Yeah, 744 01:00:00,039 --> 01:00:06,000 wow, mm hmm, she didn't want to and gosh she was young. 745 01:00:06,119 --> 01:00:09,559 No, it was I don't know how about what set of what movie, 746 01:00:09,920 --> 01:00:14,360 but it was years ago, I mean obviously because she said she she 747 01:00:14,960 --> 01:00:17,800 started talking about it back in and fourteen and I already had happened back then. 748 01:00:17,880 --> 01:00:22,199 Yeah, and then was she an I don't think, I know, 749 01:00:22,840 --> 01:00:28,639 I don't know. I don't think nineteen Yeah, But and then what's his 750 01:00:28,760 --> 01:00:32,880 name, Borat whatever his name is, Sasha, whatever is hiring? Uh? 751 01:00:34,320 --> 01:00:38,719 What is it called? Like I did see that the people who manage 752 01:00:39,159 --> 01:00:47,280 really like scandalous like pr Yeah, oh okay, he's also an extreme Zionist, 753 01:00:47,320 --> 01:00:52,639 so like him anyway, Yeah, I told you to say the least 754 01:00:54,320 --> 01:00:59,920 oh man, but yeah, I like I'll discussing. So speaking of quiet 755 01:01:00,079 --> 01:01:05,079 sorry quiet on set. I have another recommendation that I just started listening to 756 01:01:05,480 --> 01:01:10,679 or watching. It's Alison Stoner's podcast. Oh yeah, yes, how did 757 01:01:12,119 --> 01:01:16,239 there? Yeah, you can find them on YouTube if you just look up 758 01:01:16,280 --> 01:01:21,159 their name, because I don't remember what the podcast is called. But it's 759 01:01:21,199 --> 01:01:27,559 a really good It is the way they break down information. It's not only 760 01:01:27,719 --> 01:01:32,039 like their own personal experiences, but like they tie it into like the development 761 01:01:32,079 --> 01:01:37,199 of children and how that affects them growing up, like in the Hollywood scene, 762 01:01:37,960 --> 01:01:42,000 the lack of autonomy, like bodily autonomy. Like it's just so in 763 01:01:42,079 --> 01:01:46,559 depth and just so it's really good. Yeah. I've seen clips on it 764 01:01:46,599 --> 01:01:50,519 on TikTok, but I've been meaning to like watch the whole thing. And 765 01:01:50,559 --> 01:01:53,760 this makes me so thankful because when my daughter was little, she was like, 766 01:01:54,679 --> 01:02:00,239 well I was handed a little card for like an agent. See, 767 01:02:00,280 --> 01:02:07,639 like that puts kids in like target ads, homart ads or even like like 768 01:02:07,719 --> 01:02:10,239 small snippets and like certain TV shows and I was like, no commercials and 769 01:02:10,280 --> 01:02:13,760 stuff. Yeah, but like TV shows too, Like you say they pick 770 01:02:13,800 --> 01:02:17,679 your kid from the list, then you fly them to different areas and like 771 01:02:17,760 --> 01:02:21,840 sometimes it's to film like a TV show, or sometimes it's to film and 772 01:02:21,960 --> 01:02:27,400 ad and I was like, no, I had like you know, like 773 01:02:27,679 --> 01:02:31,119 past and I'm like so thankful I passed because they're like, oh, sure, 774 01:02:31,159 --> 01:02:35,480 are you sure. I'm like yes, I'm sure. No, thanks, 775 01:02:34,960 --> 01:02:40,280 my kid is not working at the age of two. Yeah, yeah, 776 01:02:40,280 --> 01:02:45,280 I'm not to mention. Yeah, the dynamics and and Allison talks about 777 01:02:45,280 --> 01:02:51,280 that in their podcast, just the dynamics shift and the role, you know, 778 01:02:52,079 --> 01:02:57,320 change of then the child becoming the bread and the provider with family. 779 01:02:57,519 --> 01:03:00,800 Yeah, and how it just the pressure dynamics of the family. Yeah, 780 01:03:01,119 --> 01:03:06,559 uh huh yeah, yeah, depressing stuff. This could be a whole other 781 01:03:06,599 --> 01:03:09,880 episode, honestly, Yeah, it really could. Yeah, because it's not 782 01:03:09,960 --> 01:03:15,000 just Hollywood. It's like these industries everywhere because like i mean, we talked 783 01:03:15,000 --> 01:03:20,199 about it in the gloripisode and he was able to do that is because of 784 01:03:20,239 --> 01:03:22,320 all the same reasons that they do it here too. So yeah, and 785 01:03:23,280 --> 01:03:30,000 like not viewing children as people and a lot of don't do that. A 786 01:03:30,079 --> 01:03:34,679 lot of people don't like do that still and like the people who hate children. 787 01:03:35,840 --> 01:03:37,800 It's not exactly the same, but it's kind of the same. It's 788 01:03:37,840 --> 01:03:43,119 like adjacent, it's like in the same vein. It's all it's all related 789 01:03:43,159 --> 01:03:50,639 to not viewing kids, the patriarchy. Everything comes back to the patriarchy, 790 01:03:50,719 --> 01:03:54,880 yes, because in the patriarchy, women and children are not seen as people. 791 01:03:54,920 --> 01:03:58,119 So it's it really is all related. Like I said it like in 792 01:03:58,159 --> 01:04:01,280 a joking manner, but like I'm not joking. That's why it's it's like 793 01:04:01,400 --> 01:04:04,920 real horror, Like yeah, it's it's what I said before, Like, 794 01:04:05,360 --> 01:04:10,079 you know, why do you like legends and spooky shit so much? Because 795 01:04:10,159 --> 01:04:14,119 humans are the real monsters. That was so deep. That's a good place 796 01:04:14,119 --> 01:04:15,719 to end it. Wow. Yeah, we can't say anything else, and 797 01:04:15,760 --> 01:04:19,719 that's when we brought you back now and that's actually the end of the podcast. 798 01:04:19,760 --> 01:04:30,559 We can't say anything better or not. Sorry, Okay, So yeah, 799 01:04:30,840 --> 01:04:33,920 anything else anyone wants to add before we end? No? Okay. 800 01:04:34,039 --> 01:04:40,199 The current book club book is VAMPIRESVTE. I'm on chapter two still. It's 801 01:04:40,239 --> 01:04:42,719 been three months. I just haven't listened to it again. I'm done. 802 01:04:42,719 --> 01:04:45,960 I'm done. You need to need to like harm and change it. It's 803 01:04:45,960 --> 01:04:49,320 so good, even like right off the bat, so MJ hasn't started it 804 01:04:49,360 --> 01:04:51,679 either, right, No, I was. I'm like, I'm like I 805 01:04:51,719 --> 01:04:57,239 was reading two books and now I'm like trying to finish the first Akatar and 806 01:04:57,280 --> 01:05:00,519 then get to this. Okay, I don't recommend it. I'm just kidding 807 01:05:02,440 --> 01:05:05,880 way better. So yeah, that's the current book read. Soon we will 808 01:05:05,960 --> 01:05:11,960 but if you like talking ship, yeah that's true. Soon we will record 809 01:05:12,000 --> 01:05:16,679 the book Club episode for Silver Nitrates. That will be fun and it's okay 810 01:05:16,800 --> 01:05:21,639 yeah yeah right it was. I feel like it was really almost a year, 811 01:05:24,079 --> 01:05:27,960 like April, may you know, oh Ship, no way, yeah, 812 01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:30,400 because it wasn't that around the time we finished the Haunting of Alejandra and 813 01:05:30,440 --> 01:05:33,599 that was the last one and then it was Silver Nitrate after that. Yeah, 814 01:05:33,639 --> 01:05:36,320 oh my god. It really hard. O. Listeners have no excuse. 815 01:05:38,599 --> 01:05:43,440 We're sorry here in ourselves. I means you have plenty of time to 816 01:05:43,440 --> 01:05:47,039 finish it. You know, you're right, You're right, no, no, 817 01:05:47,039 --> 01:05:49,320 no, okay, so yeah, I don't know, watch out for 818 01:05:50,840 --> 01:05:57,920 that road if you're driving. Somebody say it's booky yes, Last America. 819 01:05:58,079 --> 01:06:01,079 I think, yeah, yeah, yeah, watch out for her and yeah, 820 01:06:01,159 --> 01:06:05,559 stay SPOOKI will catch everyone next time. Bye bye bye. M