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Hello and welcome to the show. I'm David Young. We're creeping towards Christmas
and this is a special extra show, the last one for this year.
Returning to the show once again is someone who's become a really good friend,
as monk Oly. This will be his third appearance this year and on this
occasion he's going to be talking about crystal skulls and talking heads. You may
remember if you heard the shows before, Mark gave a great show on King
and Arthur and also on the last show he gave a great presentation about his
book Britain's Roswell where you think you're too much away, but has to be
expected because he wants you to buy his book. But on this occasion he's
going to be talking about Crystal Skulls and talking Hits, which is another book,
a piece in the past. So I shall look forward to hearing what
he's got to say. So, without further ado, here we go with
Mark Ollie. Hello, young Mark, welcome to the show. Hello,
that's an extraordinarily formal meeting. I'm quite pleased to be here. No,
you're becoming a you're becoming a regular. Now you've been three times in the
last store, but a couple of a few months, and I think,
but yeah, I brought me fairy friend with me today. I saw it's
a he and hopefully he'll behave So what Mark's talking about here? I can
see him on a screen, but he's got a cat sitting right behind his
head on It's top of the list of things never to do when you're on
an interview is to have a cat present. You know, he's supposed to
gaffer tape it to the wall so it doesn't interfere. Well, he's moving,
he's moving. He has got a habit of being quite involved, so
you never know anyway, how are you right? Not so bad? A
little bit sniffley. It's freezing cold in the UK, as you know,
it's it's always grim up north and that's where I am so way. We
have had snow for about the last week. I think today is the first
day it's it's disappeared and it's gone a little bit milder, so it's just
been usually a horrible damp and yeah, down this way, he's not being
too bad actually. Yeah. The people in other countries don't get that because
they're like, well, ah, it's just snow, you know. Well,
no, it's not just snow. It's flipping awful. It's damp.
It's like sitting in a defrosting freezer. You know. It's like wet and
cold and miserable and dark. And you've really got to experience a British winter
to understand why we Brits moan about it. Get Yeah, the Romans hated
it up on Hadrian's Wall. They absolutely hate it. I think we just
soak it up, don't be rather than anyway. I mean, before we
get into what we're going to be talking about, I'll just have some exciting
news that you're going to be talking about the Awakening. Where is it.
It's in Bolton, Yeah, it's Bolton, Albert Hall's according to this Victoria
Square, Bolton bl one one are you. We only got the information today
just for the listeners out there. So literally we're reading off screen and notes
here. It's the Mini Coom Awakening seventeenth of February twenty twenty four and there
are at least seven of us up speaking and I shall be covering Europe's Roswell
and a lot of other things as well, being that the theme of it
is the dark side of upology. So you know, the whole of the
Europe's Roswell book essentially has been covered up. It's been played down. You
know, we've had men in black asking for the material back, We've had
all sorts of problems along the way. That's the darker side. But also
I think what Steve is aiming for is crossover, total crossover. He's putting
forward the proposition that if it's a multiverse, multi dimensional universe, then maybe
we should be stretching beyond the bounds of that universe to look for solutions.
So yeah, into the darkness we go. You know, it should be
good. I've got the poster here and it's like there's any isn't it.
Yeah, I think the only person wearing a colorful jacket on the poster is
me. But it's very hard to hide when you've got a beard as big
as the one I've grown in the last twelve you've got a fron you've got
a full frontal version, which is the one you've got, Yeah, I've
got I've got the version where you're all standing looking at a lightning streak or
something in the air and an alien facing the it's the bigger one. I'm
just I'm just putting up the big you know, because it's the screen.
But it's it's quite so quite in effective. It looks it looks like a
movie. Actually, you just will well as long as as long as the
day runs like a movie, which they usually do. They're usually extremely well
organized and very well scripted, and as long as my my sort of dodgy
old PowerPoint will still grind out the images, then we'll be all right.
I understand that Holly n Wood is going to be the presenter there, yes
occasion, Yes, I believe, so. I have actually arranged to get
her on the show Fabulous a few shows, so no doubt we'll be talking
about that as well. Well, if it's between now and February, you
really are going to have to get her to talk about it because details details
at the moment are quite thin, so it'd be nice to have more of
it, sort of pad it out. I mean, as speakers, we've
got a couple of weeks to get our act together in terms of content,
and I know where I'm going. I'm really going to take us off into
the universe. You know, I'm going to star Trekking for this one.
I'm sure it will be brilliant, but so yeah, I will. I
mean, she was supposed to be doing the show with me a little while,
but she wasn't well, so to sort of reshuffle the shows that there's
been a lot of that going on, actually reshaffling shows and things. But
this one we're doing, I'm doing with you is a special, It's an
extra special exclusive this one. Well, given given that I've got such an
enormous speared, I thought i'd stay clear of wearing red and a Santa hat.
And I've got a cat behind me instead of a Christmas tree, So
there you go I've been expected to go mind like yours. Actually, but
while my wife, once you get past the sort of once you get past
the sort of grim stage, when it looks a bit grim, it actually
forms quite a nice sort of fluffy. It's so set. I think it
just looks like its slipped, like it slipped off my head. Anyway,
what we're going to be talking about on this occasion is something I don't know
too much about, If you'll excuse me, I haven't actually got your book
yet, but I willly intense to get it, and shortly after this will
probably need to get it. Anyway. It's crystal skulls and human heads.
Yes, I know you have done a few talks about it, and yeah,
Mark's actually holding the book up in front of the screen. So that's
this is that's for the video version, but of course, but on the
radio version that unfortunately, but I will put a picture. I will put
a picture of it on the the BBC used to do, isn't it,
you know, for the benefit of those of you you know who are listening
on the radio the color you know, and in color. Yeah, the
old snooker programs used to say watching in black and white is just behind the
brown a crostics, those ones anyway, So lead me to what you're going
to be talking about, Mark, you know so well what it's all about.
I noticed fairly early on in uphology that there was this thing about,
you know, alien skulls, because there was you know, these stretched heads,
they're called stretched heads, and looking at it from an archaeological point of
view, it became obvious fairly quickly that yes, some of them are stretched
because it's you know, done by pressure, by binding the head, by
putting boards on, bandaging, etc. And certainly that we're doing that,
you know, back in medieval times. But and this is the this is
the big butt. Quite a lot of them are genetic. They are that
way anyway, and the reason we know that is because they're born that way.
Certainly, in the practice burial grounds of South America there are you know,
everything from fetuses through to small children are all buried with these enormous heads,
which presumably you know, around the outside would still come out of the
birth canal because they're up going out sideways. It doesn't really matter how long
they're are. It would just take a minute or two longer for them to
come flying out. But they're coming out with these enormously long heads. Right
from the get go. There's been some strange stuff coming out of South America
as well. Some of the analysis has said, oh, yeah, these
are aliens, you know, they don't have the same DNA as US.
And then some of the other things are these alien mummies that are coming out.
So I did the archaeology for Steve Mirror on the alien mummies when he
brought back a lot of evidence, you know, quite a few years ago,
and they're clearly not alien mummies, you know, they're just parts of
animals have been put together. The heads com going on at the moment as
well. Well, yeah, and you've got this issue where they're saying,
you know, oh, yes, the DNA is not normal. That's absolutely
right. The DNA is not normal for humans because they are a different species
of humans. And that's really what Crystal Schools Human heads is all about.
It's about looking at the different species. So right at the beginning, I
kind of I get stuck in and I'll look at this idea of you know,
you've got let's try and get its right. Homo floriensis, the little
tiny, you know, three foot six guys who are fully adult at that
size. They're found on Flaws Island. You've got Neanderthals, You've got Denisovans.
At the time I wrote the book, there was at least two other
races that had polluted their DNA that were coming I think was Eurasia one and
two and Europe one and two had come in. And now it's you know,
it's ballooned. I believe the last time I checked, there were twenty
seven different recognized human species, the parakas in South America, with these elongated
heads being another one of them. But they're not just in South America,
They're all over the place. They're all over planet Earth. So I looking
at that and I'm thinking there's definitely a book in this, you know what
about giants? You know, I mean, the whole argument of that is
very simple, and that is, if we are just a species, and
we clearly are just a species, is very much like anything else on planet
Earth. You know. Take you, for example, cats, Well,
I've got cats out here behind me. Well, you can get cats in
the jungle. The palm cat is the smallest cat of all. It'll sit
quite neatly in the palm of your hand. Whereas if you cross a lion
and a tiger, you get a liger and the resulting animal is the size
of a small horse. So clearly they're all the same species, but they
come in an enormous variety of you know, genetic sizes and shapes. In
prehistory it was even more dramatic. You know, if you go to cave
lions and then you go to saber tooths, they are of dinosaur proportions.
So the argument goes the same really for humans, you know, we should
also have giants you know, in the past, and we do you know
lo and behold we do, I mean, the whole crossover vibe at the
moment. You know, there's an argument that even bigfoot, you know,
could be iron version a different species of us. Clearly it's bigger, it's
taller, it's you know, got bigger feet, it's bigger build. You
know, maybe that is going off onto the scale of giants. So really
that was the kind of thing I was plowing into with crystal schools and human
heads. The crystal bit is interesting because you can start off looking at the
human side of it and you can come up with these different variants. But
the bit which I really got stuck into in the middle of the book is
archaeoscience, and I was starting to ask the questions, well, where does
quartz figure in this? You know, what's going on with the fact that
they decided to make skulls, why scholls? You know? And how many
of these schools are real? You know, it's quite interesting when you get
into it. There's a lot of arguments that the schools are fakes, mainly
because most of them only entered the records in the early Victorian period. Several
it must be you know, clever old Victorians doing machine made things or whatever.
But most of them came through a guy in Paris, quite a reputable
South American antiques dealer, guy called Boban. Everything else he sold was real,
so why would he not sell South American crystal skulls? You know,
they were real in the eighteen ten, eighteen twenty, eighteen thirty in Paris,
and that's thought to be the source of quite a few of the schools
in different museums. Yeah, I've seen a few of these skulls or photos
of them, and some look very very detailed and andn't quite they look quite
impossible to make. Well, well toms, Yeah, the real archaeology puzzle
in that sense is the Mitchell Hedges skull. Anna Mitchell Hedges was over in
I think it was nineteen twenty three. She was in Belize and she was
in the jungle with the father, who was an archaeologist. It was her
fourteenth birthday. So her dad basically said to her, you know, clear
off, go and have an adventure. Go and poke around some temples or
something for the day, you know, don't be kind of stuck here.
So she went off under the altar in one of these ruined temples she found
the famous Mitchell Hedgy's skull. Now the story is interesting because she only brought
the top bit of the skull back to her dad. So her dad went
to travel up where it was found, and then he found the jaw a
bit because the jaw is completely separate. Now, like you say, it's
anatomically perfect and when it's been subjected to electron my my crops, well,
yeah, everyone knows the words you mean, electron microscope. It was shoved
under an electron microsy that's the one microscopy that's it got it and you get
there in the end, when it was when it was subjected to that,
they couldn't find any manufacturing marks on it. So, well, what happen
if you drill, If you drill or you polish, you leave scratch.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, So the obvious thing was to have a look
for scratches. They've got all the shape and the teeth and everything, you
know, might absolutely bang on. And despite accusations of you know, fakery
and stuff. Now, Anna stuck to a story. She died in I
think it was twenty two thousand and seven she died, and she's stuck to
the same story right to the very end, you know. And as I
said, it's been it's still in the family. It's not in private ownership,
but the family still have it. And every set of tests that they've
put on it has just come back with you know this, this is an
impossible piece of stonework. Now, some of the others have got marks on
them. You can see how they've been made, so they are clearly humanly
made, although they are you know, extraordinary objects. I've got one.
I've actually got one. There was a photo taken in the nineteen seventies of
a group of them. There was this famous legend. You know, if
you bring twelve schools plus the Mitchell Hedges Magic thirteen. You know, there'll
be some kind of amazing thing will happen. There'll be some exchange of information.
You know, the world will be better for it afterwards. Anyway,
one of those schools, there's a photo of them, and mine's the bottom
left hand one. It's a school that was there. So I've got one
here, one of those. In the book. Also, I defined what
one of these schools is, so if you go looking for a real one,
it can't be modern because obviously there are tens of thousands of them now,
all different kinds all over the place. They're all modern. So preferably
it's not modern. It needs to be handmade, so it's not made by
machine. Somebody's spent, you know, hundreds of hours actually carving this thing
out. That's important. If it's stylistically correct for Aztec or that helps.
If there are you know, very few manufacturing marks on it, that also
helps. And when I started breaking down, you know these different schools around
the world, you only finish up with about three or four of them that
are faultless. You know that you can't that actually have provenance. We know
where they came from. You know, they match the archaeological test. So
although there are tens of thousands of them, the numbers tend to reduce dramatically
when you get behind the nineteen seventies, so the sixties, fifties, forties,
thirties, the numbers reduced dramatically. But quartz is fascinating, Honestly.
One of the things I found out is that if you have a deficiency of
quartz when the baby's developing the womb, the bit that it affects is the
brain. Now that links it directly to a head, to a skull.
Obviously, that's receptacle for a brain. And the question that was going through
my mind is how on earth did they know that? How did the Aztecs
and minds manage to work that one out? And the other thing was this
idea of bringing all the schools together so they kind of talk to each other.
Implies as a lot of the crystal healers do, that there's information contained
inside the quartz. So you fast forward to mid nineteen nineties, nineteen ninety
seven, ninety eight, ninety nine, and there's a university over here that
have developed a way of writing data into glass so it can be done.
You know, they've got these discs you can get I don't know. They
write it in five D and you can get tremendous, tremendous amount of data
into this glass, and they reckon they could probably get the entire library of
everything known on planet Earth on one of these discs, and it would last
for about thirty five thousand and forty thousand years before there was any kind of
degrading in it. So we can read that, we read that with lasers.
But again the question is how do you read, you know, a
piece of quartz. We just don't know if there is data in these information
contained in these crystal structures, we just don't know how to get that information
out. So that was an interesting thing as well. Obviously, electromagnetism,
if you if you crush, crush quarte, it'll send out a pulse that
can power a wristwatch. So there's electricity and electromagnetism and stuff inside quarte.
That was another question. How did they actually find that, Well, they
must have known something was going on with well exactly why quartz, I mean,
why why pit quartz? Well, obviously it's optical, you know,
it's got optical qualities. I don't I don't know if they knew about the
electrical side of it. It's probably the most common substance crystalline substance, certainly
on planet Earth. And there's a good reason for that. I'm going to
go off a bit here into science. There's a thing that they started modeling
on computers, and it's called Olson's paradox, and what they were trying to
do was find out what the Earth's core was. And Olson's paradox is this
idea that if you have an electrical magnetic iron core and you stick iron into
the computer model, it all goes horribly wrong. It literally doesn't work.
So some bright sparks, some university somewhere decided they were going to start swapping
out until they got something that did work. And sure enough, you've guessed
it, quarte. As soon as they swapped out the earth core for quartz,
more specifically amethyst, it started to work. Everything functioned, They solved
the paradox. So whoever it was that decided to pick quartz must have been
aware of some of its extraordinary qualities, you know. And in prehistory,
of course, they had flint. I mean, flint is a volcanic extract
if you like, of quartz. It's high in quote content, and you
get all sorts of stuff out of flint. You can cut with it,
it makes super sharp blades, you can strike with it to produce fire,
especially if you strike it against Yeah, there you go, and the obsidian
form of it. Obviously, you know the Aztecs and minds were aware of
that. They made ceremonial spearheads as well as practical out of things things like
that obsidian and what have you. So certainly as an archaeologist, I mean
I go into quite some detail in the book. I won't go into too
much here, but that particular chapter that covers prehistoric uses of courts and flint
and things like that, it gets really interesting. It really does so from
a paranormal point of view, because this is a paranormal show. What do
you think is the connection there? Do you think there was some sort of
alien intelligence at some point that might have sent people in that direction? Well,
there's two thoughts. Two thoughts bring to mind. The first one is
to do with the court. So i'll carry on along those lines. When
they put the court skull on displaying the British Museum, which was quite some
time ago, the security guards used to hate it. They used to say,
right, for a start, we feel like we're being watched. Some
of the guys reported it glowing, so it had a sort of slightly bluey
hue to it. So the British Museum finished up shoving it in a cabinet
where the door shuts so they could shut it in at night because it freaked
out some of the staff to such an extent they wouldn't go in. They
lost security guards over it, you know, so clearly, clearly there's something
slightly extraordinary going on there. And then the second thing, this idea of
ets and extraterrestrials and that kind of crossover. The bit where it really goes
bonkers, especially for me, is if you imagine, I mean, there's
a great photograph of one of these huge elongated you know, big parakhas skulls.
There's a great photo in a book that Eric von Danakin produced in the
nineteen nineties and he puts this photo in and when you see the size of
this skull, it's got to be at least three and a half times bigger
than a regular skull. So then you think the brain must have been three
and a half times bigger. So you're looking at this enormous, enormous,
wet computer. And this is I think where the alien thing starts to creep
in. These guys with these big skulls, these enormous skulls were hyper intelligent
megabeings, that's what they were. And they were all over planet Earth,
so they were capable of extraordinary things. I've said this before. I said,
you get ten of these guys in a room and somebody walks in and
says, you know, what do we do to build a pyramid? They're
like, oh, just give us two minutes. We'll just work the mathematics
out, you know, bla blah blah blah. Off they go and bang,
you've got the way to do it. So these guys are really really
super intelligent. And the further down that route you go, the more you
start to realize that most of the back of our heads that we don't really
use is, if you want to call it that supernatural. That's where our
extra senses are. That's where you know, esp telekinesis, precognition, and
then basic survival skills like you know your environment, the way you read your
environment, knowing what's around you know. I mean, one of these guys
with the big heads. You'd have a hell of a job sneak up on
them because they would know, they would just know where you were and what
you were up to, you know, what you were about, because they
had so much more capacity than we had. So that literally it takes one
of these big heads takes to human brain right across the border into SuperNature.
You know, that's where you are with it. What happens when somebody has
that kind of capacity, those capabilities. I do discuss them in the book.
I do kind of touch on them. And then if you reverse that
and you say, okay, you know, well, clearly we're the species
that's left here now and we don't use a lot of our brain, or
at least we don't know that we used a lot of our brain. It's
a lot going on that we're not really in contact with. So anybody involved
in the parent normal will be relying on that part of the brain. They'll
be aware of the fact that they're using skills that are largely lost, you
know, in the general population. They're just not there anymore. It's funny
actually, up to medieval times, especially the Russians and people on the continent,
they were actually the ladies with the big heads were really really sought after
they were actually traded. The Russians were trading them into medieval Europe right up
to the thirteen and fourteen hundreds. People really wanted these people with the big
heads, especially the ladies. So it kind of speaks to them having capacities
and capabilities that the rest of us nowadays just don't have. You know,
they were extraordinary people. So I always thought the when you see the skatings
were the extended hits. I actually thought that they were actually manufactured like that
because they used to strap their heads that one. So in some of the
tribes, didn't they Well, yeah, there are, as I said earlier,
there are definitely two different strands, one of them which appears archaeologically to
be the oldest of the natural heads. So you know, at some point
when we had you know, mini people and giants and all the rest of
it, they were a species that were just a species. And what I
think happened they were so capable, they had so many capacities. They eventually
ended up as the upper echelon of humanity. They were in charge. You
see them in Egypt. A lot of the pharaohs have those heads, you
know, and etc. So they actually roast quite high positions. So I
think the rest of us was mere mortals, you know, with a normal
sized head, that we came up with ways of creating bigger heads, and
that's where I think the artificial stretching of heads comes from. I think it's
basically us trying to copy them, you know, which is a shame because
at the end of the day, they died out. You know, they
only died out four or five hundred years ago. Actually in South America,
they were the last major population concentration, and most of them sadly just died
of illnesses that Europeans, the Spanish concistadors et cetera, had taken over to
South America, and he just wiped them out, so they just disappeared.
I mean, how fantastic would it be to actually sit down with one of
those guys with like the enormous heads and try and find out what it was
like to live like that, you know, actually talk to them and say,
you know, what differences are there? You know? I mean,
I know they're trying to clone or wooly mammoth at the moment, but I
think they should be getting stuck into this parakas DNA and try and clone one
of those and find out some serious information. You know, do you think
that's a good idea trying to clone those types of things? Well, if
I'm being completely honest and I'm sticking to what I know about cloning and stuff
like that, I mean, whatever you decide to clone is not going to
survive because it's a different world, almost like a different planet if you like,
you know, the world they were designed genetically designed to fit into no
longer exists. So and plus the fact you've only got one of them,
so unless you can how you know, an individual male and female is not
enough to sustain a population both sexes and yeah, and then would they be
able to breed anyway? Yeah, exactly exactly. So, So odds are
that, you know, if we got one of these guys, and we
got one of them to adult to adulthood, they probably wouldn't survive, but
they would teach us an awful lot about what they were like and what they
knew and what their capacities were. You know, but it would be a
one off, you know, it would it would definitely be a one off.
They couldn't really stick zoo. Well, you'd finish up with a human
being who had capacities miles beyond you know, Marvel Comics, Superheroes and DC
Universe. You know, you'd be you'd be off in that kind of realm
for real. That's basically what I think. These these stretchheads guys were like,
you know, well, you call this crystal skulls, and I think
we had alien heads in our title. Where does the alien really come into
it? Do you really believe that aliens came to the planet in the past
and they were actually copied if you like? Well it actually that actually brings
us back to where we started because I am going to cover that in some
detail at the Awakening. So gone, buy the tickets, Let's get the
plug. You know, gon buy that because I'm going to I'm going to
PowerPoint it because in this particular book, when he gets to the end of
it, I make the valid point that if you're looking at these strange shaped
heads, you've got to look at aliens with strange shaped heads. Now,
I've got this thing where I call it the Star Trek complex, which is
basically all aliens, no matter who they are, have two eyes, a
mouth, one head, two arms, two hands, two legs and a
body, you know what I mean. And the reason why Star Trek did
that is they couldn't afford to make the aliens any more complicated than that,
because it was a budget consideration. So you know, why don't we get
gas clouds, you know, and jellies? And why are these aliens not
totally you know, different from us? Well, the answer to that,
I, having given it a lot of thought, is in crystal schools and
human heads, because you get to the point where people now are saying,
maybe these guys are not from another planet at all. Maybe, And this
is where I'm going with this, so I'm going to add some of my
thoughts as well. Maybe in the distant past, these guys with the enormous
heads managed to work out what people like Einstein and Tesla couldn't work out,
how to crack the problems of time and space and dimensions. If you're going
to go down the awakening route, and maybe, just maybe the sensible thing
for them to do is to come and find out where we've ended up.
Where has the planet finished up? You know, what is the end if
you like, of this particular epoch. Now that makes sense for a number
of reasons. First of all, if their time travelers and they're coming from
the future, you've got a paradox effect because they could cock up their own
future. To put it mildly, they could end up by interfering here in
making themselves disappear. So you can't have that. You know, that's standard
well known science. You can't create a paradox. But you can come from
the past into the future because that you've ruled out the paradox. There is
no paradox if they come to this time period as well and they start you
know, if they came from another planet, why would you travel hundreds of
millions of miles, you know, to abductor cow? What's the point?
Doesn't make any sense, you know, or a person for that matter.
However, if you're trying to find out where the biology is ended up,
where the planet's ended up, that's fine. It explains the abductions. You
know, they want to see from living creatures, living entities. You know,
people know if a human gets abducted, you know, if a cow
gets abducted, But what comes if they decide to take a badger, No
one's going to be any the wiser, you know, or a duck off
the local village pond. No one's going to know. Absolutely, yeah,
absolutely, We're dealing with only a tiny piece of information here. So I'm
convinced these guys are time travelers. I'm convinced that they're traveling by dimensions,
by other means. I'm convinced they're coming here because we're at some kind of
a crucial point, which also explains quite neatly why they're buzzing, you know,
military installations and atomic you know, nuclear silos and all that sort of
stuff, because we are at a crucial point. But it makes total sense.
It makes complete and utter sense to have them as these super beings with
these enormous brains, enormous capabilities, coming forward in time to our time,
you know, to have a look at what's going on. And that's the
proposition that I put forward in the book, and also in the other book
as well. The Europe's Roswell have tacked a chapter on the end of there,
because that book goes off in a completely different direction. But again,
I'm looking at this idea about time. What is time? How does time
function? Is there any evidence that we're actually at a point where things are
winding up or you know, does this end and something else begin. And
that's another issue I'm going to have a look at in great detail when we
when I get the PowerPoint together for the Awakening, because I think it is
possible you can sort of sort out the wood for the trees, you know,
you can wade through the mud of disinformation, and I think you can
nail down a definite pattern, you know, And that's I think that's where
upology is going. I think I think it will, you know, it'll
be evidence led in the future, and there's a lot of good stuff to
come. Yeah, I mean, what are you're talking about? Dimensions?
I mean, if we were stupid enough to mess up this story it's you
know, blow it up or something, it would certainly have some sort of
an effect on other dimensions, wouldn't it, Because we're all we're all living
side by side basically. Yeah, maybe that's what these visitors would be worried
about. Well, yeah, I mean if even in science fiction, you
know, you can't just remove a planet and expect nothing to happen, you
know, I mean science fact and science fiction have said if you take a
planet out, you change everything, because everything's mathematics, everything's patterns, you
know, everything's dimensions, everything's you know, got a structure. So you
can't punch a particular spot in time and space out and not have a knock
on effect, not have it roll out, you know. So clearly these
guys they've got that level of understanding, they would see that as being basic
to what they know. And as you rightly say, they're coming back and
they're saying, you know, we need to stop these guys from blowing this
rock out of space, you know, all worse, you know, leaving
something behind that's desolate, you know, completely desolate. I mean, yeah,
you know, at some point in the future. Fine, you know,
we might get hit by some sucking, great big asteroid and good night
Vienna. But that will happen when it's supposed to happen, because you know,
certainly, mysticism, magic, mathematics, anything with an M at the
front has taught us that there is a structure and there is clearly a plan
things do play out. I think it was Tesla said, I have seen
the past, and I've seen the present. I've seen the future. You
know. Nostrodamus said the same thing. He was scrying through fire on water
into copper, and he saw the past, the present, the future,
Old Testament biblical stuff, if you want to go down that route. They're
looking at the past, the present, and the future. So it's very
clear wherever you go, you know, go one hundred years, five hundred
years, fifteen hundred years, you know, go all the way back into
the prehistoric period. These guys seem to have knowledge of patterns of what's coming,
you know, of dare I say a plan? You know, Well,
it's interesting you bring up must Am, essentially because it's something that always
interests me. Do you think he's actually been misunderstood with a lot of stuff
that people are out on when they've sort of looked at what he's been saying
in the past. I've really miss misconstrued it a lot of the time,
because I think we do actually make dates up to sort of south things,
don't we actually going on? At well, pretty much everything I've just quoted
has been dragged out of context. I can remember somebody quite a few years
ago saying, the only way you're going to understand Alistair Crowley is if you're
Alistair Crowley. You know. So that's as good an explanation for profits and
prophecy is anything. So the only way you're going to understand people like Nostrodamus
or Ezekiel in the Bible, or you know, any of those, is
you're going to have to get them in context. You know, you have
to speak to somebody who is at least aware of the history and the archaeology
and the literature that is associated with them. So a lot of Nostrodamus's prophecies,
for example, I thought to have already taken place, because when you
take them back into the medieval sphere. You know, there's a famous one
about the lion being pierced through the eye of the helmet, you know,
by a shaft, a wooden shaft, and I'm pretty sure it was one
of the kings that was involved in a joust, and it was a perfect
description of how this particular chap died. But at the time that Nostradamus wrote
it, it was ten twenty thirty four forty years in the future. But
if you start to contextualize stuff like that, also as well, we suffer
from translation or transliteration. You know, it's not in the original languages that
it was written, so, you know, mad that's what Yeah, so
were misconstrued things. Yeah, it's it's dead easy to go careering off the
edge of the flat earth if you're not careful. You know, you can
things. I suppose a lot of time. Yeah, it does. It
does annoy me that it's almost possible to make anything out of anything. You
know. I've got a brilliant book on Nostrodamus, but it's like the size
of War and Peace, you know what I mean. It's an enormous book,
and it's an academic one that was written when we when we passed through
two thousand, because everyone was, oh, yeah, you know, two
thousand, End of the World completely forgetting that we cocked all the calendar up
completely, so you know, we didn't really enter the next phase unless you
were following you know, Jewish calendar or you know, you put in the
seven to ten year correction. But anyway, the book came out and it's
a good book, you know. But they do contextualize it, that's what
they do. But it doesn't read the same as you know, nineteen seventies
Armader Book of a cult prophecy. You know, it doesn't. You know,
there's some some real nonsense out there. You've got to take care.
I mean, talking about you mentioned there's some examples of how you think about
the flatter theory, you will be funnily enough. I mean I joke about
it because I never I never rubbish anybody's beliefs. Okay, now let's say
that I never, I never rubbish anybody's beliefs. No, I mean,
I'm saying that some of these people that are believing there, they've found an
awful lot of research they have to it, and they're completely convinced by it.
Well, I was a chat with the teenager the other day, and
you know what the teenagers are like. They're always on the phones, you
know, and they're always looking at conspiracy and this, that and the other.
And this was quite a bright lad. I think he was seventeen or
eighteen. And he turned to me and he just said, he said,
I was reading the other day this theory that when you look at the moon,
the surface of the Moon is a reflection of what you can see on
the surface of the Earth. And he said, but and this is the
kicker, he said, but I had a thought, how do we get
meteorite craters on the side of the Moon that's always facing the Earth. So
I looked at him and I said, what you mean. And he just
looked at me with this obvious expression on his face and he said, well,
the Earth's in the way. And I'm like, I never thought of
that. How can anything hit that side of the Moon? I get what
you're saying. Yeah, when there's a planet, you know, four times
bigger than it stuck in the way. Yes, of course the meteorite can
bombard the dark side of the planet. But the light side that we see,
how can anything you know, hit that to create the craters? And
that got me thinking, and I thought, do you know what, there
are some questions out there, So back back to the flat Earth. There
are some questions that we just don't have definitive answers for now. I'm not
massive believer in the idea of the flat Earth because I think there's other bits
of science that that work better. But at the same time, I'm a
total disbeliever in the fact that you know, we can get out of the
Van Allen Belt and you know, fly through radiation and meteorite debris and comets
and you know the heat of the Sun and yeah, and we're going to
land on the Moon. No, I don't think that's how it works,
you know, I really don't if there's any debris from us stuck on the
Moon. I don't know how the hell it got there and how we managed
to fire it there, because you know, science doesn't support that we landed
on the Moon. So some things I believe in, some things I don't.
Some things I'm kind of on the On the when saw the Moon,
I've got to disagree with you. Unfortunately, I do believed we did go
to the Moon. Think about the Vanilla Belt, I think it's that there
was a show on Discovery once. I think he was exactly how I did
it. And yes, the bill is dangerous, but it's how long you
spend in it. Which is the is the is the big secret? Well,
well, that's the radiation side of it. The bit you need to
look at is the gravitational side of it, because there are millions of pieces
of debris up there, and if you want to go out through the lower
and the upper van Allen Belt, you want to get out into outer space
rather than in a space. Basically, it's like sending a tin can through
ten million shotgun blasts. And that's my argument is that you know, you
might, you might, you might be able to survive the radiation. You
might find when you get out into space that it's exactly like the name suggests
that it's space, and there isn't a lot there, so you can gracefully
sail through it, but you're not going to get past the debris. The
debris that's up there is deadly, absolutely deadly. Understand that, I do
understand that it's very dangerous. Everyone's going off looking at the radiation of the
Van Allen and that side of it, but nobody. Nobody wants to look
at the debris. When the Indian wanted to send something to the Moon,
they went and looked at the debris, and there's some interesting discoveries came out
of India about what's flying around up there. Not good, it's just I
mean, the thing was you see. I guess whether I've been mislaid,
I don't know, But I was working on a lot of space projects in
the late sixties of my own We did a lot of electronics and things,
so I was working on space equipment apparently, yeah, the early days of
called electronics or everything. So I sort of understanding more about that we had
a technology as they used to show. See. I don't have a problem
with that NASA, There is no doubt whatsoever. NASA is the number one
biggest technology company on planet Earth. It files more patents than I've had hot
dinners. You know, it's had nearly one hundred years since the Second World
War of input, you know, since Operation paper Clip and all the rest
of it. So literally, the man in the street is not going to
have the foggiest idea what they've developed. They're so far ahead that that,
you know, sixty seventy eighty years ahead of everything else. What they then
do with it is a slightly different issue, I think, you know,
certainly the one small step for a man and or in the sixties, because
I watched it on TV. Yes I am that old. Yeah, there
you go, so I remember that. There's there's just so many things wrong
with that. I don't think for one minute that they have told us the
full show for about it. I think I think they've they've lied all the
way alone the thing. And there's another story that when apparently if they did
go to the Moon on the first occasion, they were actually being watched by
an alien aliens from a one of the crisis you were talking about. There,
there's been a few like that somebody said when they hit the moon,
the moon actually rang like a hollow bell. That's another one that I've heard.
There's all kinds of strange things. I mean, don't get me wrong.
This is another is another entire conversation what is the moon because as a
scientist has come out and said, actually, it isn't a moon because it
doesn't have its own or anything. Yeah, it's it's not even a moon.
It's actually stuck to us. So it's floating around us like an asteroid
trapped in gravity more or less. So there's a whole Yeah, fire Away
took me some questions. It's an artificial satellite. So some theorious it is
a satellite. Well, whichever way you look at it, that's what it
is. It is a satellite. I'm not I'm not thinking it's a projection.
It's not painted on the outside shell of the firmament or any of that
stuff. You know what I mean. It's it's it's not an illusion.
I think it is a big ball that's stuck to the planet. In fact,
there's an interesting story that came out recently. Excuse me. The most
people know that the Gulf of Mexico is a big meteorite crater. A lot
people that, and it was big enough to be the dinosaur killer. What
most people don't know is when the United States Survey of the Antarctic got stuck
in with their ice radar because they were checking through the ice to find out
what land mass is underneath. It took him years, absolutely years to cover
Antarctica. They plotted the data and got a bit of a shock. There's
a crater under Antarctica four times bigger than the Gulf of Mexico, which funnily
enough, is big enough to contain the Debrian mass that comprises the Moon.
So the idea, I mean, it's an old idea that maybe we were
hit by a glancing blow rather than an impact. Something hit us kind of
side on, got us on a funny angle and knocked the moon off the
planet, and it then held into what it is now. Obviously we're talking
a heck of a long time ago. That theory is now starting to gain
a little bit of traction, So that's something that's quite new. So that's
that's definitely worth introducing that as an idea. So, yeah, the moon
could very well just be a very ancient piece of us. Yeah, I
think that's quite feasible, actually I do. Yeah. And other people say
that the distance between us and the moon is actually so perfect as well.
I can't I can't think of what the actual measurements are at the moment,
and that's about a million miles in it. Well, but they say that
there's something to do with the way the moon sits there. It's so perfect
within it. Ninety three million miles seems to spring to mind. That's the
sun. Oh okay, I think it's about a quarter million miles and yeah,
yeah, yeah, yeah, ninety three miles is the sun. That's
another story. Some people say that the sun isn't really there, isn't it?
You know? Well, I think what we're doing f as nearer than
it actually is. The ninety three million miles. Well, yeah, do
you know in some respects, I don't know if we know is the kind
of the question. You know, there's somebody somewhere knows, you know,
somebody. I mean, I coined this phrase the men in gray because we
know about the men in black. And there's loads of people in technology.
You know, you're bezos and your you know, tesla what's his face?
My head? Now? Anyway him there's and there's loads of people out there
who we know, and they're you know, in positions of power if you
like, technologically, ecologically, medically, whatever you want to go. They're
all running organizations, are all powerful figures. But they are public figures.
Musk, that's the man you helped me out there. And but the public
figures they're famous, whereas the men in gray, nobody knows. You never
see them, you never hear of them. You're not privy to the fact
that they're having meetings. You don't know the faces, you don't know where
they're based. But I am convinced that they're everywhere. They're in every country,
and they meet together and they actually have got the answers, whether they
meet in Antarctica, or they meet in the Vatican, or you know,
wherever, wherever you think these guys are getting together, but you will never
know who they are. They are the men in gray. And basically the
way I've come up with that is, you know, if life is a
jigsaw puzzle, that's the missing piece. You can see the shape and you
can see what they do. You can see the function. You know,
you can see the function, you can see the form. You know they
exist, but you just don't know them. That's the kicker. So I'm
convinced they're out there, the men in gray, So they'd have the answer
to that. They'd be able to come along and go, hey, Copernicus
was right, you know, or whatever, you know, and they'd be
able to come back. You know, who knows. I suspect, I
strongly suspect that they have got connections to the Vatican Library. But not in
a conspiratorial way, no, because if you watch the Da Vinci Code,
you've got all these beautiful books, you know, in glass cases and they're
all hermetically sealed, and obviously in that film, like you know, he
smashes his way out with one of the shelves and this, that and the
other book. If you've ever seen the Vatican Library, there's you know,
enough material. I think they said, there's three hundred miles of shelving.
There's two thousand years worth of books, most of which nobody can read,
and there's it would it would take scholars, you know, hundreds of years
to translate what's in that basement. Well, it's huge, it's enormous,
vast, unbelievable, and it's not in nice ordered bookshelves, in cases,
it's just it's chaos. It's absolute chaos. So I think the real principal
volumes, I think a lot of them over the years, over the hundreds
of years, have found the way into print, they've found the way out.
So it's like, you know, twenty five copies of one thing and
thirty copies of another and fifty copies of another. You know, you've got
a lot of that going on. So I think a lot of the information's
out. But then the stuff that they don't want you to know. You're
back in the realms of the men in Gray, you know. So there
are bits like that, bits of evidence that you can bolt on, you
know, to see what these guys are about and perhaps one day find out
who they are. Yeah, well there are There is a theory which I
actually support, whether you do or not or don't know, but these men,
these men in Gray you're talking about, are actually controlled by fifth dimensional
reptilians. Well basically that's the case of people finding the same shaped piece of
jigsaw and nailing it to the mast, but for different reasons. So you
know, in a sorry fourth dimensional, sorry we go If we go beyond
that, we go to the fifth dimension. That's what I meant to.
Well, either way, they're out there. You know, something exists and
something is controlling it all. You know. Well, I think I've bring
enough to believe that myself and things are beginning to make sense about well,
a lot of these things are making sense to me now. But the what
do you call it? The earth was made out made up of a oh
god, what's the word I forgot? The holograph, holographic world. The
matrix. Yeah, the matrix theory. It's actually beginning to make sense.
It took me a long time to get that realm, you know, but
it's actually beginning to sink in there, and I think it's probably true,
you know, do you know in a sense? In a sense it's it's
a nice theory that's come out of the world of computing. But the world
of computing operates to certain rules. So if you want to get out of
the matrix, the only person that's going to release you from the matrix is
the person that programmed the matrix. So that still stands as a problem.
So if we are in a matrix, it's going to be a sort of
a job to prove it, do you know what I mean? It's gonna
be really, really difficult to start breaking that down. Now. I have
seen things where people have said, oh, there's been a glitch in the
matrix, you know, airplane's frozen in mid air and people disappearing and reappearing
somewhere else, and this, that and the other. Well, I think
that's more likely to be something inter dimensional than matrix related. I don't necessarily
think the two are the same thing. I mean, if you watch the
movies the matrix, the whole principles, the theories, and you know study
that's gone into that, it's come from the world of computing, you know,
and how computing is impacting on reality. Interesting. I mean that,
you know, interesting, That's going to be something I think that Awakening will
cover as a conference, things like AI, artificial intelligence and stuff like that.
How far can it go. I've been having a very recently, really
interesting discussion with someone who's pretty hot on AI. But my speciality, if
you like, I'm pretty hot on spirituality, And to be honest, AI
at the moment is losing. It's losing to spirituality. I think the human
factor is still stronger. You know, we still do things, we are
things, we're made of things that you know beyond the technological side of it,
which then means the matrix is going to be phenomenally complicated. And maybe
the only guys that really knew were the guys with the big heads. You
know, we're back to that again. Maybe the guys in the past would
have been able to answer questions like that, But we're struggling now, We
really are struggling. In that word awakening means a lot, really, doesn't
it. Yes, I mean, what's your waken to a certain point and
you realize that it maybe is these fourth dimensional beans controlling what's going on on
in this existence if you want to call it that. Won't call it a
planet or a life or whatever, but in this existence or in this dimension.
Uh, And then you've got to get beyond net to go into the
fifth dimension where you kind of know it all basically. I mean, it
gets a point of knowing. It's a bit. It's a bit like a
double edged sword, really, because if it swings one way once you're awakened,
you can't unlearn what you've learned. You know, it's impossible, you
can't go back because that's one edge of the sword that's going to take your
life in a very different direction. The other edge of the sword though,
is nobody gets out of here alive anyway, So sooner or later you are
going to exit this dimension. That's it. So that goes in both directions.
So on one hand you're looking at the same basic sword. It's going
one way saying what you're going to do when you're here, and then the
next question is what you're going to do when you're not here. Yeah,
I've been reading the David Iarke's Latis book called the Dream is Called, and
it's also the previous one was called to Trap. Now he suggests that when
we actually die, if we get to a certain point of understanding where we
can get beyond this this matrix we were talking about and getting the fifth dimension,
or we get trapped into coming back again via right reincarnation and that and
that is the trap where you get where you come back again. Because these
the old bay Off I think it is, he calls it when when you're
actually cook them and you're you're in this constant dream motion y alder Boss,
I think is where you were going, which is gnosticism. Yeah, that's
an interesting direction for David to go in because I'm studying gnosticism at the moment
and the gnostic it's a very interesting The next book, yeah, yeah,
is the latest book, The Dream. I mean the first I would say
the first third of it is actually quite difficult to get your head around actually
from the way he's explaining it. But it does actually begin to sink in
by the time you get over halfway through it. And the Yeah, of
course, this is not only his theory. Anyway he works with He works
people's series and studies therma, researches them and comes up with the same thing.
Really well, he's he's a very very good journalist because that, in
essence is what David is. He's extremely good at what he does. He's
an information gatherer and he's very very good at joining the dots, which is
which is the term he uses himself. Doesn't do it is absolutely and you
know, hats off to him for having a go at doing what he's doing.
I personally, I like to nail things down a little bit. I've
got a slightly different way of looking at things because I'm coming slightly from a
spiritual perspective. Somebody called me a guru the other day. Can you believe
that I'm going to have to do something about this. Beer's just getting out
of hand, you know what I mean? Yeah, you know what I
mean. So you're not going to get me levitating off the couch anytime soon.
I suppose I'm a you know, a guru of Shoot, it's a
duck, you know, I kind of being an archaeologist. I'm very much
evidence and fact you know driven, So some things I am willing to you
know, cut it. Some slack things like the flat earth and lizard people
may be less. So you know, well, the thing is even a
way out of some of these theories and stories are they're interesting, and I
mean, and the fact that a metter is that we are in a position
we can't prove anything either way. No, I was going to say,
even things like reincarnation. I mean, technically I shouldn't believe that. I
should be like, no, that's not in my frame of reference. But
and I've got to say, but back to your evidence again, there are
people out there who were born like somebody else, with their memories and their
information and their knowledge and all that. You know, So what do you
do? How do you face that kind of evidence? You know, it's
it's impossible to deny. So clearly something's going on. You know when someone
comes out with a language, an ancient language. Yeah, they had no
way of knowing what's the rip. I was thinking of, how do you
explain that. There's a documented case in India of a child that was born.
He was born with a mark on his forehead there and it was quite
a substantial circular brown mark. And he was born at the precise moment when
one of his neighbors was being shot in the head in exactly the same spot.
Now on its own, that's pretty you know odd. Yes, I
know things can happen mathematically and statistically or that. It's pretty odd. But
and this is the real thing. What this child remembered was that his soul
was kicked out by the incoming soul of the person who was just shot,
to the point where the child could identify the other person's killer. So when
you start getting to that kind of detail, you're like, whoa, you
know something is going on here. You know, it's it's not easy to
debunk some of the things that are coming out fascinating. Well, you said,
go paranormal on you, So I have done. Well, We've got
some paranormal Yeah, but I mean, what we what we're gonna talk about
next time? Mark, what do your fancy next time? I don't know.
I'm working on some interesting books. There's there's one book I'll do a
bit of a plug for the future because people tend to ask me what I'm
working on. So I am working on one about the Gnostics. It's goingly
got a working title at the moment though, it's called Keys to the Temple.
And basically anybody that knows me knows that, since the nineteen seventies,
have been plowing through every available Middle Eastern scriptural, you know, translated document
that's going nag Hammadi Library, dead Sea scrolls, apocryphy, you name it.
I've just plowed through all of it. So it's going to be a
bit of a you know, probably a bit like the King Arthur book.
It's going to be quite a large one. But I'm going to write it
in a really accessible and a well assessed style. So that's coming, but
don't expect it tomorrow because it's you know, it's what prest We can do
that maybe this time next year, right. The one, yeah, and
the one I'm doing in the spring, which I'm going to knuckle down to
is I've had a book on how can I put it? Basics of magic,
real basics, So you're not talking about, you know, waving ones
around in complicated ritual circles at certain astrological and all that. No, none
of that stuff. Just basic rules of how magic works, almost on the
shamanistic level. And it's going to be a bit of a crossover. It's
going to be the magic that we know of now in the twenty first century,
and it's going to be relevant. So it'll tell people a bit more
about what magic is, how magic works, how you can you know,
apply it, et cetera, et cetera. So it's going to be a
bit of a how to because you know people will take it and run with
it. I'm sure of it. So those are the two that I've kind
of got planned coming up. That sounds like something for around about springtime.
Then I reckon, yeah, yeah, yeah, so I shall book you
for that. If you want to come back, well I either get either
get me from magic or if you really feeling personally brave, you could get
me to talk about the moon. Did we land on the moon? We
could do well, yeah, that's where you want to go don't forget.
We've got a wakening in February, so yeah, you're going to do Yeah,
well you'll probably have to talk about that on the next shows or what
way it went. But yeah, okay, so yeah, we'll talk about
we'll probably do the moon and we're gnostics at all, but I think probably
magic round about the springtime. But you could you could do a double whammy.
You could do magic and the moon. Do those two together, because
that so magic and the moon and then something that now, yeah, in
the moon, let's do that, and we have to remind me because I'll
forget magic in the moon. And then also as an extra little kind of
plus thing, what did we think of awakening? How did a weakening go?
Because it'll have happened by then, so yeah, there'll be a lot
of new material. I know, I know exactly what's planned. So there's
along a dark side of ye, so that should be quite interesting. Yeah,
so that that might just dovetail into the magic quite nicely as well.
So I think, yeah, just make sure we cover a weakening in the
next one as well. It's been fantas everyone be on the show. Mark
now you're your your book again is called what well, I'm going to do
the shame. Can I do the shameless plug I've got a minute to do
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of them there now, so go to look at Amazon. Number two if
you want to see me in action. We've just managed to get the entire
back catalog of productions that I've done for the last twenty years and now all
on YouTube. Yeah, I've been checking them out. Actually yeah, Drake
Michigan. Yeah, go and have a look at Drake Michigan. Well,
I mean, if you're bored and you're freezing cold, you want to binge
watch twenty two episodes of Lost Treasures, that'll take you about ten hours,
so you can do that over Christmas or whatever. Folks want to do that.
But there's lots of individual documentaries as well, and the individual episodes of
Lost Treasures are only just under half an hour each, so loads of stuff.
Go and find it. There's tons of stuff out there now, well
worth a look. And lastly, but not leasily, anybody who wants to
contact me Facebook. I'm on Facebook, you know, as long as your
name is not Fife, tricks a bell and your profile is not a rainbow
or anything silly, you know, yeah, as long as you're the real
person, you know, with some real photographs, I'll accept the friend request.
You can chat away to your hearts content on Messenger, so come and
find me. So those are the three things. Amazon, YouTube, Facebook,
There you go, and another one I shall put all the links on
my Paranoral Dimensions page absolutely please whatever the links I can find and the pictures
of your books and links and everything. Tickets are available for Awakening as well,
and it's Awakening. I think is it twenty seven to fifty or thing
or sorder price? So is that something like that. But there's a live
link now you can order thems a live link. Actually put a link for
the Awakening tickets as at a preparable Dimensions page. You'll phone the Lenk on
your on your Facebook page anyway, you will anyway, having asked Christmas same
to yourself. Nice to see the Christmas. I've got the beard. I've
got the beard, but you've got the jumper. I'm wearing a red top
to Yeah, we've done it between them. In fact, this is going
to be my Christmas jumper for a Christmas meal. But that's been fantastic talking
to you again, Mark and always good to see you, and we will
do it again. Will be the magic of the moon. An absolute pleasure
to return to your award winning show, because not yet I'm hoping, I'm
hoping you'll have won by then nominated, But I mean I'm just prayer to
be in the nominations actually alrightly, so in the top three, sir,
and I'm up against Unkenny, that thing that was on the television, So
I assume that they're going to win. I think they'll probably get all the
I don't know, you know, because you're good, so you do.
I mean, I'm actually flabaghast if that I'm even in the top three award
nominated, that I've got a chance. I've got a chance on this show.
Thank you for everyone that would have actually put votes in for this show.
I really do appreciate it, and I love you all. Really,
I'm just flabogasted that you've actually voted for me for the show. My name
doesn't feature the show does parallel dimension so but hopefully soon you know what the
results are. But yes, it's brilliant. I just can't believe it.
Anyway, Mark, I'm going to let you go. Yeah, thank you
very much. Go and have yourself a beer. I will do well.
I've actually got Yeah, he's been a nuisance as usual. But anyway,
Happy Christmas to everybody. Happy Christmas, Mark, and take care of yourself.
See you next time. Cheers, Thank you next time. Thank you
very much. Mark, Merry Christmas to you and a happy New Year,
and I'll speak to you again soon. Okay. My next show which is
next week, which is in a normal schedule of shows, and the guest
will be Kathy Cogliano, and that comes out on Christmas Day, December twenty
fifth, so you'll be able to download that or listen to it, so
you'd better hear that from Christmas Day. That's Monday, the twenty fifth of
December, and that will be the last show of the year, so I
hope you will join me for that one. I know many might be able
to join on the day, but it will be going out obviously for any
time you want to download it, so but also is there if anyone wants
to hear it on the day. That's the lovely Kathy Cogliano. Of course,
as always, if you'd like to get in touch with me at any
time about any subject, my email address is David Young two QN at Yahoo
dot co dot uk. That's David Young two QN at Yahoo dot co dot
uk. So you sign out now. I'll speak to you on December to
twenty fifth with Kathy Cocoiano, and that's the last show of twenty twenty three.
If you don't hear me between now and later after Christmas, hope you
will have a happy Christmas and take care of yourselves. David young soning out,
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