1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:06,599 You're listening to the Paranormal UK Radio Network, the best in paranormal talk radio 2 00:00:06,799 --> 00:00:13,320 in the UK and around the world. Paranormal Dimensions is fortnightly on Mondays on 3 00:00:13,359 --> 00:00:17,839 the Paranormal UK Radio Network. Ah, that's foolish of you to go where 4 00:00:17,879 --> 00:01:00,640 those monsters ski lay hands on youth. What higher didn't know? But dedicated 5 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:07,120 Bianis were willing to risk their lives to find out good detail. This is 6 00:01:07,159 --> 00:01:11,480 Sir Patrick Moore and you're listening to the Paranormal the UK Radio Network, the 7 00:01:11,599 --> 00:01:18,439 UK's biggest paranormal radio network, and this is Paranormal Dimensions with David Ya. 8 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:32,200 Hello and welcome to the show. I'm David Young. We're creeping towards Christmas 9 00:01:32,840 --> 00:01:36,680 and this is a special extra show, the last one for this year. 10 00:01:37,519 --> 00:01:41,400 Returning to the show once again is someone who's become a really good friend, 11 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:46,439 as monk Oly. This will be his third appearance this year and on this 12 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:51,519 occasion he's going to be talking about crystal skulls and talking heads. You may 13 00:01:51,599 --> 00:01:55,760 remember if you heard the shows before, Mark gave a great show on King 14 00:01:55,760 --> 00:01:59,519 and Arthur and also on the last show he gave a great presentation about his 15 00:01:59,599 --> 00:02:04,519 book Britain's Roswell where you think you're too much away, but has to be 16 00:02:04,519 --> 00:02:07,959 expected because he wants you to buy his book. But on this occasion he's 17 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:10,400 going to be talking about Crystal Skulls and talking Hits, which is another book, 18 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:14,800 a piece in the past. So I shall look forward to hearing what 19 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:19,400 he's got to say. So, without further ado, here we go with 20 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:23,960 Mark Ollie. Hello, young Mark, welcome to the show. Hello, 21 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:28,719 that's an extraordinarily formal meeting. I'm quite pleased to be here. No, 22 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:32,159 you're becoming a you're becoming a regular. Now you've been three times in the 23 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:35,639 last store, but a couple of a few months, and I think, 24 00:02:35,639 --> 00:02:40,400 but yeah, I brought me fairy friend with me today. I saw it's 25 00:02:40,439 --> 00:02:46,360 a he and hopefully he'll behave So what Mark's talking about here? I can 26 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:49,360 see him on a screen, but he's got a cat sitting right behind his 27 00:02:49,439 --> 00:02:53,439 head on It's top of the list of things never to do when you're on 28 00:02:53,479 --> 00:02:55,520 an interview is to have a cat present. You know, he's supposed to 29 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:59,919 gaffer tape it to the wall so it doesn't interfere. Well, he's moving, 30 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:02,360 he's moving. He has got a habit of being quite involved, so 31 00:03:02,919 --> 00:03:07,800 you never know anyway, how are you right? Not so bad? A 32 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:12,000 little bit sniffley. It's freezing cold in the UK, as you know, 33 00:03:13,159 --> 00:03:19,039 it's it's always grim up north and that's where I am so way. We 34 00:03:19,159 --> 00:03:22,159 have had snow for about the last week. I think today is the first 35 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:28,120 day it's it's disappeared and it's gone a little bit milder, so it's just 36 00:03:28,159 --> 00:03:31,400 been usually a horrible damp and yeah, down this way, he's not being 37 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:36,039 too bad actually. Yeah. The people in other countries don't get that because 38 00:03:36,039 --> 00:03:38,039 they're like, well, ah, it's just snow, you know. Well, 39 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:40,400 no, it's not just snow. It's flipping awful. It's damp. 40 00:03:40,879 --> 00:03:46,639 It's like sitting in a defrosting freezer. You know. It's like wet and 41 00:03:46,840 --> 00:03:51,960 cold and miserable and dark. And you've really got to experience a British winter 42 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:58,120 to understand why we Brits moan about it. Get Yeah, the Romans hated 43 00:03:58,120 --> 00:04:00,759 it up on Hadrian's Wall. They absolutely hate it. I think we just 44 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:05,639 soak it up, don't be rather than anyway. I mean, before we 45 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:09,639 get into what we're going to be talking about, I'll just have some exciting 46 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:13,719 news that you're going to be talking about the Awakening. Where is it. 47 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:17,720 It's in Bolton, Yeah, it's Bolton, Albert Hall's according to this Victoria 48 00:04:17,800 --> 00:04:24,040 Square, Bolton bl one one are you. We only got the information today 49 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:28,120 just for the listeners out there. So literally we're reading off screen and notes 50 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:32,560 here. It's the Mini Coom Awakening seventeenth of February twenty twenty four and there 51 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:39,879 are at least seven of us up speaking and I shall be covering Europe's Roswell 52 00:04:39,959 --> 00:04:44,439 and a lot of other things as well, being that the theme of it 53 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:47,279 is the dark side of upology. So you know, the whole of the 54 00:04:47,439 --> 00:04:53,879 Europe's Roswell book essentially has been covered up. It's been played down. You 55 00:04:53,879 --> 00:04:57,639 know, we've had men in black asking for the material back, We've had 56 00:04:57,680 --> 00:05:01,319 all sorts of problems along the way. That's the darker side. But also 57 00:05:01,399 --> 00:05:06,480 I think what Steve is aiming for is crossover, total crossover. He's putting 58 00:05:06,519 --> 00:05:12,759 forward the proposition that if it's a multiverse, multi dimensional universe, then maybe 59 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:16,319 we should be stretching beyond the bounds of that universe to look for solutions. 60 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:20,480 So yeah, into the darkness we go. You know, it should be 61 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:25,959 good. I've got the poster here and it's like there's any isn't it. 62 00:05:26,519 --> 00:05:31,120 Yeah, I think the only person wearing a colorful jacket on the poster is 63 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:34,040 me. But it's very hard to hide when you've got a beard as big 64 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:39,560 as the one I've grown in the last twelve you've got a fron you've got 65 00:05:39,279 --> 00:05:43,120 a full frontal version, which is the one you've got, Yeah, I've 66 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:47,079 got I've got the version where you're all standing looking at a lightning streak or 67 00:05:47,079 --> 00:05:53,040 something in the air and an alien facing the it's the bigger one. I'm 68 00:05:53,079 --> 00:05:58,199 just I'm just putting up the big you know, because it's the screen. 69 00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:01,000 But it's it's quite so quite in effective. It looks it looks like a 70 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:04,040 movie. Actually, you just will well as long as as long as the 71 00:06:04,120 --> 00:06:08,560 day runs like a movie, which they usually do. They're usually extremely well 72 00:06:08,639 --> 00:06:12,920 organized and very well scripted, and as long as my my sort of dodgy 73 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:15,199 old PowerPoint will still grind out the images, then we'll be all right. 74 00:06:16,279 --> 00:06:21,879 I understand that Holly n Wood is going to be the presenter there, yes 75 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:26,920 occasion, Yes, I believe, so. I have actually arranged to get 76 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:30,279 her on the show Fabulous a few shows, so no doubt we'll be talking 77 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:33,040 about that as well. Well, if it's between now and February, you 78 00:06:33,399 --> 00:06:38,279 really are going to have to get her to talk about it because details details 79 00:06:38,279 --> 00:06:42,240 at the moment are quite thin, so it'd be nice to have more of 80 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:45,279 it, sort of pad it out. I mean, as speakers, we've 81 00:06:45,319 --> 00:06:47,319 got a couple of weeks to get our act together in terms of content, 82 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:51,160 and I know where I'm going. I'm really going to take us off into 83 00:06:51,199 --> 00:06:55,480 the universe. You know, I'm going to star Trekking for this one. 84 00:06:57,920 --> 00:07:00,160 I'm sure it will be brilliant, but so yeah, I will. I 85 00:07:00,199 --> 00:07:01,240 mean, she was supposed to be doing the show with me a little while, 86 00:07:01,319 --> 00:07:04,800 but she wasn't well, so to sort of reshuffle the shows that there's 87 00:07:04,839 --> 00:07:09,959 been a lot of that going on, actually reshaffling shows and things. But 88 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:15,240 this one we're doing, I'm doing with you is a special, It's an 89 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:19,399 extra special exclusive this one. Well, given given that I've got such an 90 00:07:19,519 --> 00:07:24,319 enormous speared, I thought i'd stay clear of wearing red and a Santa hat. 91 00:07:24,920 --> 00:07:28,319 And I've got a cat behind me instead of a Christmas tree, So 92 00:07:28,360 --> 00:07:31,439 there you go I've been expected to go mind like yours. Actually, but 93 00:07:32,759 --> 00:07:39,040 while my wife, once you get past the sort of once you get past 94 00:07:39,079 --> 00:07:42,720 the sort of grim stage, when it looks a bit grim, it actually 95 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:47,079 forms quite a nice sort of fluffy. It's so set. I think it 96 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:51,519 just looks like its slipped, like it slipped off my head. Anyway, 97 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:55,480 what we're going to be talking about on this occasion is something I don't know 98 00:07:55,519 --> 00:07:59,480 too much about, If you'll excuse me, I haven't actually got your book 99 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:01,319 yet, but I willly intense to get it, and shortly after this will 100 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:05,240 probably need to get it. Anyway. It's crystal skulls and human heads. 101 00:08:05,639 --> 00:08:09,560 Yes, I know you have done a few talks about it, and yeah, 102 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:13,720 Mark's actually holding the book up in front of the screen. So that's 103 00:08:13,759 --> 00:08:18,279 this is that's for the video version, but of course, but on the 104 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:22,279 radio version that unfortunately, but I will put a picture. I will put 105 00:08:22,279 --> 00:08:26,360 a picture of it on the the BBC used to do, isn't it, 106 00:08:26,399 --> 00:08:28,639 you know, for the benefit of those of you you know who are listening 107 00:08:28,639 --> 00:08:35,240 on the radio the color you know, and in color. Yeah, the 108 00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:41,360 old snooker programs used to say watching in black and white is just behind the 109 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:48,720 brown a crostics, those ones anyway, So lead me to what you're going 110 00:08:48,759 --> 00:08:52,679 to be talking about, Mark, you know so well what it's all about. 111 00:08:52,720 --> 00:09:01,320 I noticed fairly early on in uphology that there was this thing about, 112 00:09:01,639 --> 00:09:07,440 you know, alien skulls, because there was you know, these stretched heads, 113 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:11,399 they're called stretched heads, and looking at it from an archaeological point of 114 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:16,720 view, it became obvious fairly quickly that yes, some of them are stretched 115 00:09:16,759 --> 00:09:22,039 because it's you know, done by pressure, by binding the head, by 116 00:09:22,039 --> 00:09:26,080 putting boards on, bandaging, etc. And certainly that we're doing that, 117 00:09:26,159 --> 00:09:28,720 you know, back in medieval times. But and this is the this is 118 00:09:28,759 --> 00:09:33,200 the big butt. Quite a lot of them are genetic. They are that 119 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:39,240 way anyway, and the reason we know that is because they're born that way. 120 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:43,960 Certainly, in the practice burial grounds of South America there are you know, 121 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:50,399 everything from fetuses through to small children are all buried with these enormous heads, 122 00:09:50,879 --> 00:09:56,360 which presumably you know, around the outside would still come out of the 123 00:09:56,360 --> 00:09:58,759 birth canal because they're up going out sideways. It doesn't really matter how long 124 00:09:58,799 --> 00:10:01,120 they're are. It would just take a minute or two longer for them to 125 00:10:01,759 --> 00:10:05,440 come flying out. But they're coming out with these enormously long heads. Right 126 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:11,080 from the get go. There's been some strange stuff coming out of South America 127 00:10:11,159 --> 00:10:15,279 as well. Some of the analysis has said, oh, yeah, these 128 00:10:15,279 --> 00:10:16,600 are aliens, you know, they don't have the same DNA as US. 129 00:10:16,639 --> 00:10:20,039 And then some of the other things are these alien mummies that are coming out. 130 00:10:20,159 --> 00:10:24,600 So I did the archaeology for Steve Mirror on the alien mummies when he 131 00:10:24,639 --> 00:10:26,039 brought back a lot of evidence, you know, quite a few years ago, 132 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:30,919 and they're clearly not alien mummies, you know, they're just parts of 133 00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:35,600 animals have been put together. The heads com going on at the moment as 134 00:10:35,639 --> 00:10:39,879 well. Well, yeah, and you've got this issue where they're saying, 135 00:10:39,919 --> 00:10:41,960 you know, oh, yes, the DNA is not normal. That's absolutely 136 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:48,120 right. The DNA is not normal for humans because they are a different species 137 00:10:48,159 --> 00:10:54,080 of humans. And that's really what Crystal Schools Human heads is all about. 138 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:58,600 It's about looking at the different species. So right at the beginning, I 139 00:10:58,679 --> 00:11:01,840 kind of I get stuck in and I'll look at this idea of you know, 140 00:11:01,879 --> 00:11:07,039 you've got let's try and get its right. Homo floriensis, the little 141 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:11,960 tiny, you know, three foot six guys who are fully adult at that 142 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:16,480 size. They're found on Flaws Island. You've got Neanderthals, You've got Denisovans. 143 00:11:16,840 --> 00:11:20,159 At the time I wrote the book, there was at least two other 144 00:11:20,279 --> 00:11:24,360 races that had polluted their DNA that were coming I think was Eurasia one and 145 00:11:24,399 --> 00:11:28,960 two and Europe one and two had come in. And now it's you know, 146 00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:33,519 it's ballooned. I believe the last time I checked, there were twenty 147 00:11:33,639 --> 00:11:41,080 seven different recognized human species, the parakas in South America, with these elongated 148 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:43,399 heads being another one of them. But they're not just in South America, 149 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:48,039 They're all over the place. They're all over planet Earth. So I looking 150 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:52,559 at that and I'm thinking there's definitely a book in this, you know what 151 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:56,600 about giants? You know, I mean, the whole argument of that is 152 00:11:56,679 --> 00:12:00,320 very simple, and that is, if we are just a species, and 153 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:03,600 we clearly are just a species, is very much like anything else on planet 154 00:12:03,679 --> 00:12:05,960 Earth. You know. Take you, for example, cats, Well, 155 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:09,879 I've got cats out here behind me. Well, you can get cats in 156 00:12:09,919 --> 00:12:13,240 the jungle. The palm cat is the smallest cat of all. It'll sit 157 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:16,600 quite neatly in the palm of your hand. Whereas if you cross a lion 158 00:12:16,679 --> 00:12:20,720 and a tiger, you get a liger and the resulting animal is the size 159 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:24,919 of a small horse. So clearly they're all the same species, but they 160 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:31,279 come in an enormous variety of you know, genetic sizes and shapes. In 161 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:33,320 prehistory it was even more dramatic. You know, if you go to cave 162 00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:39,559 lions and then you go to saber tooths, they are of dinosaur proportions. 163 00:12:39,080 --> 00:12:45,279 So the argument goes the same really for humans, you know, we should 164 00:12:45,279 --> 00:12:50,519 also have giants you know, in the past, and we do you know 165 00:12:50,639 --> 00:12:56,240 lo and behold we do, I mean, the whole crossover vibe at the 166 00:12:56,240 --> 00:12:58,799 moment. You know, there's an argument that even bigfoot, you know, 167 00:12:58,919 --> 00:13:03,519 could be iron version a different species of us. Clearly it's bigger, it's 168 00:13:03,559 --> 00:13:07,679 taller, it's you know, got bigger feet, it's bigger build. You 169 00:13:07,679 --> 00:13:11,840 know, maybe that is going off onto the scale of giants. So really 170 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:15,360 that was the kind of thing I was plowing into with crystal schools and human 171 00:13:15,440 --> 00:13:22,799 heads. The crystal bit is interesting because you can start off looking at the 172 00:13:22,919 --> 00:13:26,440 human side of it and you can come up with these different variants. But 173 00:13:26,559 --> 00:13:30,799 the bit which I really got stuck into in the middle of the book is 174 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:35,960 archaeoscience, and I was starting to ask the questions, well, where does 175 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:41,399 quartz figure in this? You know, what's going on with the fact that 176 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:46,200 they decided to make skulls, why scholls? You know? And how many 177 00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:50,919 of these schools are real? You know, it's quite interesting when you get 178 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:56,799 into it. There's a lot of arguments that the schools are fakes, mainly 179 00:13:56,799 --> 00:14:00,919 because most of them only entered the records in the early Victorian period. Several 180 00:14:01,279 --> 00:14:05,759 it must be you know, clever old Victorians doing machine made things or whatever. 181 00:14:05,039 --> 00:14:09,360 But most of them came through a guy in Paris, quite a reputable 182 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:15,200 South American antiques dealer, guy called Boban. Everything else he sold was real, 183 00:14:16,559 --> 00:14:20,879 so why would he not sell South American crystal skulls? You know, 184 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:24,799 they were real in the eighteen ten, eighteen twenty, eighteen thirty in Paris, 185 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:28,600 and that's thought to be the source of quite a few of the schools 186 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:33,039 in different museums. Yeah, I've seen a few of these skulls or photos 187 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:37,000 of them, and some look very very detailed and andn't quite they look quite 188 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:43,840 impossible to make. Well, well toms, Yeah, the real archaeology puzzle 189 00:14:43,159 --> 00:14:48,440 in that sense is the Mitchell Hedges skull. Anna Mitchell Hedges was over in 190 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:52,480 I think it was nineteen twenty three. She was in Belize and she was 191 00:14:52,480 --> 00:14:56,200 in the jungle with the father, who was an archaeologist. It was her 192 00:14:56,279 --> 00:15:00,519 fourteenth birthday. So her dad basically said to her, you know, clear 193 00:15:00,559 --> 00:15:03,600 off, go and have an adventure. Go and poke around some temples or 194 00:15:03,639 --> 00:15:05,320 something for the day, you know, don't be kind of stuck here. 195 00:15:05,399 --> 00:15:11,039 So she went off under the altar in one of these ruined temples she found 196 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:16,320 the famous Mitchell Hedgy's skull. Now the story is interesting because she only brought 197 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:20,279 the top bit of the skull back to her dad. So her dad went 198 00:15:20,320 --> 00:15:22,879 to travel up where it was found, and then he found the jaw a 199 00:15:22,919 --> 00:15:26,399 bit because the jaw is completely separate. Now, like you say, it's 200 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:35,960 anatomically perfect and when it's been subjected to electron my my crops, well, 201 00:15:35,039 --> 00:15:41,600 yeah, everyone knows the words you mean, electron microscope. It was shoved 202 00:15:41,679 --> 00:15:46,960 under an electron microsy that's the one microscopy that's it got it and you get 203 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:50,519 there in the end, when it was when it was subjected to that, 204 00:15:52,000 --> 00:16:00,000 they couldn't find any manufacturing marks on it. So, well, what happen 205 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:03,080 if you drill, If you drill or you polish, you leave scratch. 206 00:16:03,240 --> 00:16:06,639 Yeah, yeah, yeah, So the obvious thing was to have a look 207 00:16:06,679 --> 00:16:08,720 for scratches. They've got all the shape and the teeth and everything, you 208 00:16:08,840 --> 00:16:17,120 know, might absolutely bang on. And despite accusations of you know, fakery 209 00:16:17,120 --> 00:16:19,840 and stuff. Now, Anna stuck to a story. She died in I 210 00:16:19,919 --> 00:16:23,559 think it was twenty two thousand and seven she died, and she's stuck to 211 00:16:23,679 --> 00:16:29,279 the same story right to the very end, you know. And as I 212 00:16:29,320 --> 00:16:32,240 said, it's been it's still in the family. It's not in private ownership, 213 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:34,360 but the family still have it. And every set of tests that they've 214 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:37,879 put on it has just come back with you know this, this is an 215 00:16:37,919 --> 00:16:42,720 impossible piece of stonework. Now, some of the others have got marks on 216 00:16:42,759 --> 00:16:47,200 them. You can see how they've been made, so they are clearly humanly 217 00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:51,399 made, although they are you know, extraordinary objects. I've got one. 218 00:16:51,519 --> 00:16:55,240 I've actually got one. There was a photo taken in the nineteen seventies of 219 00:16:55,480 --> 00:16:57,080 a group of them. There was this famous legend. You know, if 220 00:16:57,320 --> 00:17:03,039 you bring twelve schools plus the Mitchell Hedges Magic thirteen. You know, there'll 221 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:04,920 be some kind of amazing thing will happen. There'll be some exchange of information. 222 00:17:06,039 --> 00:17:08,039 You know, the world will be better for it afterwards. Anyway, 223 00:17:08,079 --> 00:17:11,680 one of those schools, there's a photo of them, and mine's the bottom 224 00:17:11,799 --> 00:17:15,079 left hand one. It's a school that was there. So I've got one 225 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:22,519 here, one of those. In the book. Also, I defined what 226 00:17:22,559 --> 00:17:26,440 one of these schools is, so if you go looking for a real one, 227 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:30,000 it can't be modern because obviously there are tens of thousands of them now, 228 00:17:30,359 --> 00:17:34,079 all different kinds all over the place. They're all modern. So preferably 229 00:17:34,119 --> 00:17:38,039 it's not modern. It needs to be handmade, so it's not made by 230 00:17:38,160 --> 00:17:42,680 machine. Somebody's spent, you know, hundreds of hours actually carving this thing 231 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:48,559 out. That's important. If it's stylistically correct for Aztec or that helps. 232 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:56,000 If there are you know, very few manufacturing marks on it, that also 233 00:17:56,200 --> 00:18:00,319 helps. And when I started breaking down, you know these different schools around 234 00:18:00,319 --> 00:18:03,880 the world, you only finish up with about three or four of them that 235 00:18:03,279 --> 00:18:07,759 are faultless. You know that you can't that actually have provenance. We know 236 00:18:07,799 --> 00:18:11,680 where they came from. You know, they match the archaeological test. So 237 00:18:11,720 --> 00:18:15,119 although there are tens of thousands of them, the numbers tend to reduce dramatically 238 00:18:15,480 --> 00:18:19,519 when you get behind the nineteen seventies, so the sixties, fifties, forties, 239 00:18:19,559 --> 00:18:26,480 thirties, the numbers reduced dramatically. But quartz is fascinating, Honestly. 240 00:18:27,839 --> 00:18:30,799 One of the things I found out is that if you have a deficiency of 241 00:18:30,920 --> 00:18:37,079 quartz when the baby's developing the womb, the bit that it affects is the 242 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:42,480 brain. Now that links it directly to a head, to a skull. 243 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:47,079 Obviously, that's receptacle for a brain. And the question that was going through 244 00:18:47,119 --> 00:18:49,279 my mind is how on earth did they know that? How did the Aztecs 245 00:18:49,279 --> 00:18:52,559 and minds manage to work that one out? And the other thing was this 246 00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:56,839 idea of bringing all the schools together so they kind of talk to each other. 247 00:18:56,359 --> 00:19:02,680 Implies as a lot of the crystal healers do, that there's information contained 248 00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:07,359 inside the quartz. So you fast forward to mid nineteen nineties, nineteen ninety 249 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:11,720 seven, ninety eight, ninety nine, and there's a university over here that 250 00:19:11,759 --> 00:19:18,480 have developed a way of writing data into glass so it can be done. 251 00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:21,519 You know, they've got these discs you can get I don't know. They 252 00:19:21,559 --> 00:19:26,079 write it in five D and you can get tremendous, tremendous amount of data 253 00:19:26,119 --> 00:19:30,079 into this glass, and they reckon they could probably get the entire library of 254 00:19:30,119 --> 00:19:33,200 everything known on planet Earth on one of these discs, and it would last 255 00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:37,759 for about thirty five thousand and forty thousand years before there was any kind of 256 00:19:37,799 --> 00:19:41,960 degrading in it. So we can read that, we read that with lasers. 257 00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:45,160 But again the question is how do you read, you know, a 258 00:19:45,160 --> 00:19:49,799 piece of quartz. We just don't know if there is data in these information 259 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:55,480 contained in these crystal structures, we just don't know how to get that information 260 00:19:55,640 --> 00:20:00,839 out. So that was an interesting thing as well. Obviously, electromagnetism, 261 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:04,279 if you if you crush, crush quarte, it'll send out a pulse that 262 00:20:04,319 --> 00:20:10,359 can power a wristwatch. So there's electricity and electromagnetism and stuff inside quarte. 263 00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:15,880 That was another question. How did they actually find that, Well, they 264 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:19,200 must have known something was going on with well exactly why quartz, I mean, 265 00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:22,319 why why pit quartz? Well, obviously it's optical, you know, 266 00:20:22,359 --> 00:20:26,559 it's got optical qualities. I don't I don't know if they knew about the 267 00:20:26,599 --> 00:20:33,000 electrical side of it. It's probably the most common substance crystalline substance, certainly 268 00:20:33,319 --> 00:20:37,319 on planet Earth. And there's a good reason for that. I'm going to 269 00:20:37,359 --> 00:20:42,680 go off a bit here into science. There's a thing that they started modeling 270 00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:48,240 on computers, and it's called Olson's paradox, and what they were trying to 271 00:20:48,279 --> 00:20:53,279 do was find out what the Earth's core was. And Olson's paradox is this 272 00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:59,839 idea that if you have an electrical magnetic iron core and you stick iron into 273 00:20:59,880 --> 00:21:04,599 the computer model, it all goes horribly wrong. It literally doesn't work. 274 00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:10,240 So some bright sparks, some university somewhere decided they were going to start swapping 275 00:21:10,319 --> 00:21:15,279 out until they got something that did work. And sure enough, you've guessed 276 00:21:15,279 --> 00:21:18,880 it, quarte. As soon as they swapped out the earth core for quartz, 277 00:21:19,279 --> 00:21:25,640 more specifically amethyst, it started to work. Everything functioned, They solved 278 00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:30,920 the paradox. So whoever it was that decided to pick quartz must have been 279 00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:36,440 aware of some of its extraordinary qualities, you know. And in prehistory, 280 00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:40,240 of course, they had flint. I mean, flint is a volcanic extract 281 00:21:40,319 --> 00:21:44,079 if you like, of quartz. It's high in quote content, and you 282 00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:45,519 get all sorts of stuff out of flint. You can cut with it, 283 00:21:45,519 --> 00:21:51,440 it makes super sharp blades, you can strike with it to produce fire, 284 00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:57,799 especially if you strike it against Yeah, there you go, and the obsidian 285 00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:00,920 form of it. Obviously, you know the Aztecs and minds were aware of 286 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:07,039 that. They made ceremonial spearheads as well as practical out of things things like 287 00:22:07,079 --> 00:22:11,079 that obsidian and what have you. So certainly as an archaeologist, I mean 288 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:12,880 I go into quite some detail in the book. I won't go into too 289 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:18,559 much here, but that particular chapter that covers prehistoric uses of courts and flint 290 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:25,880 and things like that, it gets really interesting. It really does so from 291 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:30,000 a paranormal point of view, because this is a paranormal show. What do 292 00:22:30,039 --> 00:22:33,160 you think is the connection there? Do you think there was some sort of 293 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:40,359 alien intelligence at some point that might have sent people in that direction? Well, 294 00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:44,079 there's two thoughts. Two thoughts bring to mind. The first one is 295 00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:47,440 to do with the court. So i'll carry on along those lines. When 296 00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:51,680 they put the court skull on displaying the British Museum, which was quite some 297 00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:57,000 time ago, the security guards used to hate it. They used to say, 298 00:22:57,079 --> 00:23:00,000 right, for a start, we feel like we're being watched. Some 299 00:23:00,039 --> 00:23:03,960 of the guys reported it glowing, so it had a sort of slightly bluey 300 00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:08,000 hue to it. So the British Museum finished up shoving it in a cabinet 301 00:23:08,039 --> 00:23:12,720 where the door shuts so they could shut it in at night because it freaked 302 00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:17,160 out some of the staff to such an extent they wouldn't go in. They 303 00:23:17,279 --> 00:23:22,920 lost security guards over it, you know, so clearly, clearly there's something 304 00:23:22,839 --> 00:23:26,880 slightly extraordinary going on there. And then the second thing, this idea of 305 00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:33,599 ets and extraterrestrials and that kind of crossover. The bit where it really goes 306 00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:38,400 bonkers, especially for me, is if you imagine, I mean, there's 307 00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:44,359 a great photograph of one of these huge elongated you know, big parakhas skulls. 308 00:23:44,559 --> 00:23:47,799 There's a great photo in a book that Eric von Danakin produced in the 309 00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:51,960 nineteen nineties and he puts this photo in and when you see the size of 310 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:55,720 this skull, it's got to be at least three and a half times bigger 311 00:23:55,759 --> 00:24:02,759 than a regular skull. So then you think the brain must have been three 312 00:24:02,839 --> 00:24:07,160 and a half times bigger. So you're looking at this enormous, enormous, 313 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:11,920 wet computer. And this is I think where the alien thing starts to creep 314 00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:18,839 in. These guys with these big skulls, these enormous skulls were hyper intelligent 315 00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:22,279 megabeings, that's what they were. And they were all over planet Earth, 316 00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:29,680 so they were capable of extraordinary things. I've said this before. I said, 317 00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:33,200 you get ten of these guys in a room and somebody walks in and 318 00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:36,720 says, you know, what do we do to build a pyramid? They're 319 00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:38,480 like, oh, just give us two minutes. We'll just work the mathematics 320 00:24:38,519 --> 00:24:41,680 out, you know, bla blah blah blah. Off they go and bang, 321 00:24:41,799 --> 00:24:44,920 you've got the way to do it. So these guys are really really 322 00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:48,720 super intelligent. And the further down that route you go, the more you 323 00:24:48,759 --> 00:24:53,559 start to realize that most of the back of our heads that we don't really 324 00:24:53,720 --> 00:25:00,279 use is, if you want to call it that supernatural. That's where our 325 00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:06,599 extra senses are. That's where you know, esp telekinesis, precognition, and 326 00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:10,440 then basic survival skills like you know your environment, the way you read your 327 00:25:10,519 --> 00:25:14,200 environment, knowing what's around you know. I mean, one of these guys 328 00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:15,200 with the big heads. You'd have a hell of a job sneak up on 329 00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:18,319 them because they would know, they would just know where you were and what 330 00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:21,880 you were up to, you know, what you were about, because they 331 00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:27,000 had so much more capacity than we had. So that literally it takes one 332 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:32,759 of these big heads takes to human brain right across the border into SuperNature. 333 00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:37,599 You know, that's where you are with it. What happens when somebody has 334 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:41,640 that kind of capacity, those capabilities. I do discuss them in the book. 335 00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:45,640 I do kind of touch on them. And then if you reverse that 336 00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:48,359 and you say, okay, you know, well, clearly we're the species 337 00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:52,240 that's left here now and we don't use a lot of our brain, or 338 00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:55,039 at least we don't know that we used a lot of our brain. It's 339 00:25:55,039 --> 00:25:59,440 a lot going on that we're not really in contact with. So anybody involved 340 00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:03,200 in the parent normal will be relying on that part of the brain. They'll 341 00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:08,960 be aware of the fact that they're using skills that are largely lost, you 342 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:12,480 know, in the general population. They're just not there anymore. It's funny 343 00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:17,440 actually, up to medieval times, especially the Russians and people on the continent, 344 00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:22,240 they were actually the ladies with the big heads were really really sought after 345 00:26:22,039 --> 00:26:27,119 they were actually traded. The Russians were trading them into medieval Europe right up 346 00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:32,519 to the thirteen and fourteen hundreds. People really wanted these people with the big 347 00:26:32,559 --> 00:26:37,359 heads, especially the ladies. So it kind of speaks to them having capacities 348 00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:41,640 and capabilities that the rest of us nowadays just don't have. You know, 349 00:26:41,839 --> 00:26:48,599 they were extraordinary people. So I always thought the when you see the skatings 350 00:26:48,599 --> 00:26:53,319 were the extended hits. I actually thought that they were actually manufactured like that 351 00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:56,680 because they used to strap their heads that one. So in some of the 352 00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:59,559 tribes, didn't they Well, yeah, there are, as I said earlier, 353 00:26:59,559 --> 00:27:04,400 there are definitely two different strands, one of them which appears archaeologically to 354 00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:10,759 be the oldest of the natural heads. So you know, at some point 355 00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:14,839 when we had you know, mini people and giants and all the rest of 356 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:18,319 it, they were a species that were just a species. And what I 357 00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:26,440 think happened they were so capable, they had so many capacities. They eventually 358 00:27:26,519 --> 00:27:30,559 ended up as the upper echelon of humanity. They were in charge. You 359 00:27:30,599 --> 00:27:33,160 see them in Egypt. A lot of the pharaohs have those heads, you 360 00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:37,559 know, and etc. So they actually roast quite high positions. So I 361 00:27:37,599 --> 00:27:41,319 think the rest of us was mere mortals, you know, with a normal 362 00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:47,000 sized head, that we came up with ways of creating bigger heads, and 363 00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:51,640 that's where I think the artificial stretching of heads comes from. I think it's 364 00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:56,200 basically us trying to copy them, you know, which is a shame because 365 00:27:56,200 --> 00:28:00,720 at the end of the day, they died out. You know, they 366 00:28:00,799 --> 00:28:03,279 only died out four or five hundred years ago. Actually in South America, 367 00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:10,519 they were the last major population concentration, and most of them sadly just died 368 00:28:10,559 --> 00:28:15,519 of illnesses that Europeans, the Spanish concistadors et cetera, had taken over to 369 00:28:15,559 --> 00:28:18,640 South America, and he just wiped them out, so they just disappeared. 370 00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:22,480 I mean, how fantastic would it be to actually sit down with one of 371 00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:26,920 those guys with like the enormous heads and try and find out what it was 372 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:30,720 like to live like that, you know, actually talk to them and say, 373 00:28:30,759 --> 00:28:36,319 you know, what differences are there? You know? I mean, 374 00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:38,200 I know they're trying to clone or wooly mammoth at the moment, but I 375 00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:42,279 think they should be getting stuck into this parakas DNA and try and clone one 376 00:28:42,319 --> 00:28:47,319 of those and find out some serious information. You know, do you think 377 00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:51,519 that's a good idea trying to clone those types of things? Well, if 378 00:28:51,519 --> 00:28:55,160 I'm being completely honest and I'm sticking to what I know about cloning and stuff 379 00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:57,440 like that, I mean, whatever you decide to clone is not going to 380 00:28:57,519 --> 00:29:03,240 survive because it's a different world, almost like a different planet if you like, 381 00:29:03,319 --> 00:29:08,160 you know, the world they were designed genetically designed to fit into no 382 00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:11,519 longer exists. So and plus the fact you've only got one of them, 383 00:29:11,839 --> 00:29:18,599 so unless you can how you know, an individual male and female is not 384 00:29:18,759 --> 00:29:22,759 enough to sustain a population both sexes and yeah, and then would they be 385 00:29:22,759 --> 00:29:26,480 able to breed anyway? Yeah, exactly exactly. So, So odds are 386 00:29:26,559 --> 00:29:29,559 that, you know, if we got one of these guys, and we 387 00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:33,720 got one of them to adult to adulthood, they probably wouldn't survive, but 388 00:29:33,759 --> 00:29:37,200 they would teach us an awful lot about what they were like and what they 389 00:29:37,279 --> 00:29:41,160 knew and what their capacities were. You know, but it would be a 390 00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:44,880 one off, you know, it would it would definitely be a one off. 391 00:29:45,599 --> 00:29:51,119 They couldn't really stick zoo. Well, you'd finish up with a human 392 00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:57,480 being who had capacities miles beyond you know, Marvel Comics, Superheroes and DC 393 00:29:57,799 --> 00:30:02,400 Universe. You know, you'd be you'd be off in that kind of realm 394 00:30:02,799 --> 00:30:07,160 for real. That's basically what I think. These these stretchheads guys were like, 395 00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:14,480 you know, well, you call this crystal skulls, and I think 396 00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:18,000 we had alien heads in our title. Where does the alien really come into 397 00:30:18,039 --> 00:30:21,079 it? Do you really believe that aliens came to the planet in the past 398 00:30:21,359 --> 00:30:26,079 and they were actually copied if you like? Well it actually that actually brings 399 00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:27,519 us back to where we started because I am going to cover that in some 400 00:30:27,599 --> 00:30:32,000 detail at the Awakening. So gone, buy the tickets, Let's get the 401 00:30:32,039 --> 00:30:34,160 plug. You know, gon buy that because I'm going to I'm going to 402 00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:38,559 PowerPoint it because in this particular book, when he gets to the end of 403 00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:45,359 it, I make the valid point that if you're looking at these strange shaped 404 00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:52,200 heads, you've got to look at aliens with strange shaped heads. Now, 405 00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:56,440 I've got this thing where I call it the Star Trek complex, which is 406 00:30:56,480 --> 00:31:00,480 basically all aliens, no matter who they are, have two eyes, a 407 00:31:00,559 --> 00:31:03,160 mouth, one head, two arms, two hands, two legs and a 408 00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:06,960 body, you know what I mean. And the reason why Star Trek did 409 00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:11,079 that is they couldn't afford to make the aliens any more complicated than that, 410 00:31:11,079 --> 00:31:14,519 because it was a budget consideration. So you know, why don't we get 411 00:31:14,559 --> 00:31:17,960 gas clouds, you know, and jellies? And why are these aliens not 412 00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:21,559 totally you know, different from us? Well, the answer to that, 413 00:31:21,799 --> 00:31:23,920 I, having given it a lot of thought, is in crystal schools and 414 00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:27,119 human heads, because you get to the point where people now are saying, 415 00:31:29,039 --> 00:31:33,880 maybe these guys are not from another planet at all. Maybe, And this 416 00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:37,519 is where I'm going with this, so I'm going to add some of my 417 00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:42,720 thoughts as well. Maybe in the distant past, these guys with the enormous 418 00:31:42,799 --> 00:31:48,680 heads managed to work out what people like Einstein and Tesla couldn't work out, 419 00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:55,400 how to crack the problems of time and space and dimensions. If you're going 420 00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:59,960 to go down the awakening route, and maybe, just maybe the sensible thing 421 00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:04,279 for them to do is to come and find out where we've ended up. 422 00:32:04,799 --> 00:32:07,400 Where has the planet finished up? You know, what is the end if 423 00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:12,640 you like, of this particular epoch. Now that makes sense for a number 424 00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:15,880 of reasons. First of all, if their time travelers and they're coming from 425 00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:20,839 the future, you've got a paradox effect because they could cock up their own 426 00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:24,000 future. To put it mildly, they could end up by interfering here in 427 00:32:24,119 --> 00:32:30,759 making themselves disappear. So you can't have that. You know, that's standard 428 00:32:30,799 --> 00:32:35,400 well known science. You can't create a paradox. But you can come from 429 00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:39,799 the past into the future because that you've ruled out the paradox. There is 430 00:32:39,839 --> 00:32:45,400 no paradox if they come to this time period as well and they start you 431 00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:47,119 know, if they came from another planet, why would you travel hundreds of 432 00:32:47,119 --> 00:32:51,640 millions of miles, you know, to abductor cow? What's the point? 433 00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:53,559 Doesn't make any sense, you know, or a person for that matter. 434 00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:58,920 However, if you're trying to find out where the biology is ended up, 435 00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:02,160 where the planet's ended up, that's fine. It explains the abductions. You 436 00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:07,839 know, they want to see from living creatures, living entities. You know, 437 00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:09,720 people know if a human gets abducted, you know, if a cow 438 00:33:09,759 --> 00:33:14,640 gets abducted, But what comes if they decide to take a badger, No 439 00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:16,559 one's going to be any the wiser, you know, or a duck off 440 00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:23,880 the local village pond. No one's going to know. Absolutely, yeah, 441 00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:29,000 absolutely, We're dealing with only a tiny piece of information here. So I'm 442 00:33:29,079 --> 00:33:32,599 convinced these guys are time travelers. I'm convinced that they're traveling by dimensions, 443 00:33:32,759 --> 00:33:37,480 by other means. I'm convinced they're coming here because we're at some kind of 444 00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:40,640 a crucial point, which also explains quite neatly why they're buzzing, you know, 445 00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:45,640 military installations and atomic you know, nuclear silos and all that sort of 446 00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:51,240 stuff, because we are at a crucial point. But it makes total sense. 447 00:33:51,359 --> 00:33:54,920 It makes complete and utter sense to have them as these super beings with 448 00:33:55,000 --> 00:34:00,359 these enormous brains, enormous capabilities, coming forward in time to our time, 449 00:34:00,799 --> 00:34:05,240 you know, to have a look at what's going on. And that's the 450 00:34:05,279 --> 00:34:09,119 proposition that I put forward in the book, and also in the other book 451 00:34:09,119 --> 00:34:13,679 as well. The Europe's Roswell have tacked a chapter on the end of there, 452 00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:16,440 because that book goes off in a completely different direction. But again, 453 00:34:16,519 --> 00:34:21,880 I'm looking at this idea about time. What is time? How does time 454 00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,719 function? Is there any evidence that we're actually at a point where things are 455 00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:29,719 winding up or you know, does this end and something else begin. And 456 00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:31,719 that's another issue I'm going to have a look at in great detail when we 457 00:34:32,079 --> 00:34:36,639 when I get the PowerPoint together for the Awakening, because I think it is 458 00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:39,079 possible you can sort of sort out the wood for the trees, you know, 459 00:34:39,119 --> 00:34:45,320 you can wade through the mud of disinformation, and I think you can 460 00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:49,800 nail down a definite pattern, you know, And that's I think that's where 461 00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:52,039 upology is going. I think I think it will, you know, it'll 462 00:34:52,039 --> 00:34:55,639 be evidence led in the future, and there's a lot of good stuff to 463 00:34:55,639 --> 00:34:59,800 come. Yeah, I mean, what are you're talking about? Dimensions? 464 00:35:00,199 --> 00:35:02,440 I mean, if we were stupid enough to mess up this story it's you 465 00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:06,800 know, blow it up or something, it would certainly have some sort of 466 00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:10,400 an effect on other dimensions, wouldn't it, Because we're all we're all living 467 00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:15,400 side by side basically. Yeah, maybe that's what these visitors would be worried 468 00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:20,840 about. Well, yeah, I mean if even in science fiction, you 469 00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:27,000 know, you can't just remove a planet and expect nothing to happen, you 470 00:35:27,039 --> 00:35:30,480 know, I mean science fact and science fiction have said if you take a 471 00:35:30,519 --> 00:35:36,039 planet out, you change everything, because everything's mathematics, everything's patterns, you 472 00:35:36,079 --> 00:35:40,239 know, everything's dimensions, everything's you know, got a structure. So you 473 00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:45,760 can't punch a particular spot in time and space out and not have a knock 474 00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:50,039 on effect, not have it roll out, you know. So clearly these 475 00:35:50,079 --> 00:35:54,159 guys they've got that level of understanding, they would see that as being basic 476 00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:59,280 to what they know. And as you rightly say, they're coming back and 477 00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:01,800 they're saying, you know, we need to stop these guys from blowing this 478 00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:06,519 rock out of space, you know, all worse, you know, leaving 479 00:36:06,679 --> 00:36:10,800 something behind that's desolate, you know, completely desolate. I mean, yeah, 480 00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:13,679 you know, at some point in the future. Fine, you know, 481 00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:15,960 we might get hit by some sucking, great big asteroid and good night 482 00:36:16,079 --> 00:36:21,119 Vienna. But that will happen when it's supposed to happen, because you know, 483 00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:24,400 certainly, mysticism, magic, mathematics, anything with an M at the 484 00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:30,840 front has taught us that there is a structure and there is clearly a plan 485 00:36:30,559 --> 00:36:36,119 things do play out. I think it was Tesla said, I have seen 486 00:36:36,159 --> 00:36:37,800 the past, and I've seen the present. I've seen the future. You 487 00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:44,400 know. Nostrodamus said the same thing. He was scrying through fire on water 488 00:36:44,639 --> 00:36:49,119 into copper, and he saw the past, the present, the future, 489 00:36:49,519 --> 00:36:52,920 Old Testament biblical stuff, if you want to go down that route. They're 490 00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:57,320 looking at the past, the present, and the future. So it's very 491 00:36:57,360 --> 00:37:00,519 clear wherever you go, you know, go one hundred years, five hundred 492 00:37:00,599 --> 00:37:04,559 years, fifteen hundred years, you know, go all the way back into 493 00:37:04,599 --> 00:37:09,480 the prehistoric period. These guys seem to have knowledge of patterns of what's coming, 494 00:37:09,679 --> 00:37:15,280 you know, of dare I say a plan? You know, Well, 495 00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:19,920 it's interesting you bring up must Am, essentially because it's something that always 496 00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:23,480 interests me. Do you think he's actually been misunderstood with a lot of stuff 497 00:37:23,519 --> 00:37:30,440 that people are out on when they've sort of looked at what he's been saying 498 00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:34,639 in the past. I've really miss misconstrued it a lot of the time, 499 00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:37,159 because I think we do actually make dates up to sort of south things, 500 00:37:37,159 --> 00:37:43,559 don't we actually going on? At well, pretty much everything I've just quoted 501 00:37:43,599 --> 00:37:49,079 has been dragged out of context. I can remember somebody quite a few years 502 00:37:49,119 --> 00:37:52,239 ago saying, the only way you're going to understand Alistair Crowley is if you're 503 00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:59,440 Alistair Crowley. You know. So that's as good an explanation for profits and 504 00:37:59,519 --> 00:38:04,480 prophecy is anything. So the only way you're going to understand people like Nostrodamus 505 00:38:04,599 --> 00:38:07,840 or Ezekiel in the Bible, or you know, any of those, is 506 00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:12,880 you're going to have to get them in context. You know, you have 507 00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:17,039 to speak to somebody who is at least aware of the history and the archaeology 508 00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:22,599 and the literature that is associated with them. So a lot of Nostrodamus's prophecies, 509 00:38:22,599 --> 00:38:27,079 for example, I thought to have already taken place, because when you 510 00:38:27,119 --> 00:38:30,599 take them back into the medieval sphere. You know, there's a famous one 511 00:38:30,639 --> 00:38:35,440 about the lion being pierced through the eye of the helmet, you know, 512 00:38:35,559 --> 00:38:39,960 by a shaft, a wooden shaft, and I'm pretty sure it was one 513 00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:45,039 of the kings that was involved in a joust, and it was a perfect 514 00:38:45,119 --> 00:38:50,360 description of how this particular chap died. But at the time that Nostradamus wrote 515 00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:54,679 it, it was ten twenty thirty four forty years in the future. But 516 00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:59,199 if you start to contextualize stuff like that, also as well, we suffer 517 00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:02,320 from translation or transliteration. You know, it's not in the original languages that 518 00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:07,280 it was written, so, you know, mad that's what Yeah, so 519 00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:12,320 were misconstrued things. Yeah, it's it's dead easy to go careering off the 520 00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:15,920 edge of the flat earth if you're not careful. You know, you can 521 00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:17,599 things. I suppose a lot of time. Yeah, it does. It 522 00:39:17,679 --> 00:39:22,320 does annoy me that it's almost possible to make anything out of anything. You 523 00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:25,480 know. I've got a brilliant book on Nostrodamus, but it's like the size 524 00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:29,119 of War and Peace, you know what I mean. It's an enormous book, 525 00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:32,119 and it's an academic one that was written when we when we passed through 526 00:39:32,159 --> 00:39:35,559 two thousand, because everyone was, oh, yeah, you know, two 527 00:39:35,639 --> 00:39:38,079 thousand, End of the World completely forgetting that we cocked all the calendar up 528 00:39:38,119 --> 00:39:43,360 completely, so you know, we didn't really enter the next phase unless you 529 00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:46,079 were following you know, Jewish calendar or you know, you put in the 530 00:39:46,119 --> 00:39:51,239 seven to ten year correction. But anyway, the book came out and it's 531 00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:52,920 a good book, you know. But they do contextualize it, that's what 532 00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:59,159 they do. But it doesn't read the same as you know, nineteen seventies 533 00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:01,760 Armader Book of a cult prophecy. You know, it doesn't. You know, 534 00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:05,559 there's some some real nonsense out there. You've got to take care. 535 00:40:07,039 --> 00:40:14,880 I mean, talking about you mentioned there's some examples of how you think about 536 00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:22,119 the flatter theory, you will be funnily enough. I mean I joke about 537 00:40:22,159 --> 00:40:25,719 it because I never I never rubbish anybody's beliefs. Okay, now let's say 538 00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:29,000 that I never, I never rubbish anybody's beliefs. No, I mean, 539 00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:31,880 I'm saying that some of these people that are believing there, they've found an 540 00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:36,480 awful lot of research they have to it, and they're completely convinced by it. 541 00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:38,960 Well, I was a chat with the teenager the other day, and 542 00:40:39,079 --> 00:40:42,159 you know what the teenagers are like. They're always on the phones, you 543 00:40:42,199 --> 00:40:44,440 know, and they're always looking at conspiracy and this, that and the other. 544 00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:46,480 And this was quite a bright lad. I think he was seventeen or 545 00:40:46,519 --> 00:40:50,719 eighteen. And he turned to me and he just said, he said, 546 00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:52,599 I was reading the other day this theory that when you look at the moon, 547 00:40:53,519 --> 00:40:58,119 the surface of the Moon is a reflection of what you can see on 548 00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:00,880 the surface of the Earth. And he said, but and this is the 549 00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:05,159 kicker, he said, but I had a thought, how do we get 550 00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:10,760 meteorite craters on the side of the Moon that's always facing the Earth. So 551 00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:15,639 I looked at him and I said, what you mean. And he just 552 00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:17,880 looked at me with this obvious expression on his face and he said, well, 553 00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:22,679 the Earth's in the way. And I'm like, I never thought of 554 00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:29,239 that. How can anything hit that side of the Moon? I get what 555 00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:32,079 you're saying. Yeah, when there's a planet, you know, four times 556 00:41:32,159 --> 00:41:37,360 bigger than it stuck in the way. Yes, of course the meteorite can 557 00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:40,639 bombard the dark side of the planet. But the light side that we see, 558 00:41:40,679 --> 00:41:45,880 how can anything you know, hit that to create the craters? And 559 00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:47,159 that got me thinking, and I thought, do you know what, there 560 00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:52,480 are some questions out there, So back back to the flat Earth. There 561 00:41:52,519 --> 00:41:59,800 are some questions that we just don't have definitive answers for now. I'm not 562 00:42:00,199 --> 00:42:04,199 massive believer in the idea of the flat Earth because I think there's other bits 563 00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:07,519 of science that that work better. But at the same time, I'm a 564 00:42:07,599 --> 00:42:10,159 total disbeliever in the fact that you know, we can get out of the 565 00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:15,840 Van Allen Belt and you know, fly through radiation and meteorite debris and comets 566 00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:17,880 and you know the heat of the Sun and yeah, and we're going to 567 00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:22,280 land on the Moon. No, I don't think that's how it works, 568 00:42:22,639 --> 00:42:25,760 you know, I really don't if there's any debris from us stuck on the 569 00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:29,480 Moon. I don't know how the hell it got there and how we managed 570 00:42:29,519 --> 00:42:32,079 to fire it there, because you know, science doesn't support that we landed 571 00:42:32,119 --> 00:42:36,960 on the Moon. So some things I believe in, some things I don't. 572 00:42:37,079 --> 00:42:43,559 Some things I'm kind of on the On the when saw the Moon, 573 00:42:44,079 --> 00:42:46,440 I've got to disagree with you. Unfortunately, I do believed we did go 574 00:42:46,559 --> 00:42:52,320 to the Moon. Think about the Vanilla Belt, I think it's that there 575 00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:58,159 was a show on Discovery once. I think he was exactly how I did 576 00:42:58,199 --> 00:43:01,840 it. And yes, the bill is dangerous, but it's how long you 577 00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:06,519 spend in it. Which is the is the is the big secret? Well, 578 00:43:06,599 --> 00:43:08,000 well, that's the radiation side of it. The bit you need to 579 00:43:08,039 --> 00:43:14,239 look at is the gravitational side of it, because there are millions of pieces 580 00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:16,800 of debris up there, and if you want to go out through the lower 581 00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:21,719 and the upper van Allen Belt, you want to get out into outer space 582 00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:24,679 rather than in a space. Basically, it's like sending a tin can through 583 00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:30,760 ten million shotgun blasts. And that's my argument is that you know, you 584 00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:34,480 might, you might, you might be able to survive the radiation. You 585 00:43:34,599 --> 00:43:37,559 might find when you get out into space that it's exactly like the name suggests 586 00:43:37,599 --> 00:43:40,760 that it's space, and there isn't a lot there, so you can gracefully 587 00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:45,440 sail through it, but you're not going to get past the debris. The 588 00:43:45,599 --> 00:43:49,639 debris that's up there is deadly, absolutely deadly. Understand that, I do 589 00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:53,119 understand that it's very dangerous. Everyone's going off looking at the radiation of the 590 00:43:53,199 --> 00:43:57,559 Van Allen and that side of it, but nobody. Nobody wants to look 591 00:43:57,599 --> 00:44:00,599 at the debris. When the Indian wanted to send something to the Moon, 592 00:44:00,679 --> 00:44:05,360 they went and looked at the debris, and there's some interesting discoveries came out 593 00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:10,440 of India about what's flying around up there. Not good, it's just I 594 00:44:10,519 --> 00:44:15,920 mean, the thing was you see. I guess whether I've been mislaid, 595 00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:21,119 I don't know, But I was working on a lot of space projects in 596 00:44:21,199 --> 00:44:24,320 the late sixties of my own We did a lot of electronics and things, 597 00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:30,519 so I was working on space equipment apparently, yeah, the early days of 598 00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:37,360 called electronics or everything. So I sort of understanding more about that we had 599 00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:42,119 a technology as they used to show. See. I don't have a problem 600 00:44:42,159 --> 00:44:45,639 with that NASA, There is no doubt whatsoever. NASA is the number one 601 00:44:46,199 --> 00:44:52,519 biggest technology company on planet Earth. It files more patents than I've had hot 602 00:44:52,599 --> 00:44:57,400 dinners. You know, it's had nearly one hundred years since the Second World 603 00:44:57,480 --> 00:45:00,239 War of input, you know, since Operation paper Clip and all the rest 604 00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:04,199 of it. So literally, the man in the street is not going to 605 00:45:04,199 --> 00:45:07,320 have the foggiest idea what they've developed. They're so far ahead that that, 606 00:45:07,559 --> 00:45:12,159 you know, sixty seventy eighty years ahead of everything else. What they then 607 00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:16,679 do with it is a slightly different issue, I think, you know, 608 00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:21,159 certainly the one small step for a man and or in the sixties, because 609 00:45:21,159 --> 00:45:25,960 I watched it on TV. Yes I am that old. Yeah, there 610 00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:30,000 you go, so I remember that. There's there's just so many things wrong 611 00:45:30,119 --> 00:45:35,360 with that. I don't think for one minute that they have told us the 612 00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:37,760 full show for about it. I think I think they've they've lied all the 613 00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:44,000 way alone the thing. And there's another story that when apparently if they did 614 00:45:44,119 --> 00:45:47,039 go to the Moon on the first occasion, they were actually being watched by 615 00:45:47,119 --> 00:45:52,320 an alien aliens from a one of the crisis you were talking about. There, 616 00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:54,679 there's been a few like that somebody said when they hit the moon, 617 00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:59,920 the moon actually rang like a hollow bell. That's another one that I've heard. 618 00:46:00,159 --> 00:46:02,920 There's all kinds of strange things. I mean, don't get me wrong. 619 00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:08,239 This is another is another entire conversation what is the moon because as a 620 00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:12,440 scientist has come out and said, actually, it isn't a moon because it 621 00:46:12,559 --> 00:46:19,320 doesn't have its own or anything. Yeah, it's it's not even a moon. 622 00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:23,000 It's actually stuck to us. So it's floating around us like an asteroid 623 00:46:23,079 --> 00:46:28,599 trapped in gravity more or less. So there's a whole Yeah, fire Away 624 00:46:28,679 --> 00:46:32,559 took me some questions. It's an artificial satellite. So some theorious it is 625 00:46:32,599 --> 00:46:35,760 a satellite. Well, whichever way you look at it, that's what it 626 00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:38,000 is. It is a satellite. I'm not I'm not thinking it's a projection. 627 00:46:38,199 --> 00:46:43,199 It's not painted on the outside shell of the firmament or any of that 628 00:46:44,039 --> 00:46:45,559 stuff. You know what I mean. It's it's it's not an illusion. 629 00:46:45,599 --> 00:46:49,400 I think it is a big ball that's stuck to the planet. In fact, 630 00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:55,280 there's an interesting story that came out recently. Excuse me. The most 631 00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:59,599 people know that the Gulf of Mexico is a big meteorite crater. A lot 632 00:46:59,639 --> 00:47:04,239 people that, and it was big enough to be the dinosaur killer. What 633 00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:10,039 most people don't know is when the United States Survey of the Antarctic got stuck 634 00:47:10,119 --> 00:47:16,079 in with their ice radar because they were checking through the ice to find out 635 00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:22,719 what land mass is underneath. It took him years, absolutely years to cover 636 00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:27,760 Antarctica. They plotted the data and got a bit of a shock. There's 637 00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:35,159 a crater under Antarctica four times bigger than the Gulf of Mexico, which funnily 638 00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:39,800 enough, is big enough to contain the Debrian mass that comprises the Moon. 639 00:47:42,519 --> 00:47:45,440 So the idea, I mean, it's an old idea that maybe we were 640 00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:51,400 hit by a glancing blow rather than an impact. Something hit us kind of 641 00:47:51,519 --> 00:47:57,320 side on, got us on a funny angle and knocked the moon off the 642 00:47:57,480 --> 00:48:01,519 planet, and it then held into what it is now. Obviously we're talking 643 00:48:01,599 --> 00:48:06,199 a heck of a long time ago. That theory is now starting to gain 644 00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:08,840 a little bit of traction, So that's something that's quite new. So that's 645 00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:14,440 that's definitely worth introducing that as an idea. So, yeah, the moon 646 00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:17,719 could very well just be a very ancient piece of us. Yeah, I 647 00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:22,719 think that's quite feasible, actually I do. Yeah. And other people say 648 00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:29,800 that the distance between us and the moon is actually so perfect as well. 649 00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:31,719 I can't I can't think of what the actual measurements are at the moment, 650 00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:36,280 and that's about a million miles in it. Well, but they say that 651 00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:39,719 there's something to do with the way the moon sits there. It's so perfect 652 00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:45,119 within it. Ninety three million miles seems to spring to mind. That's the 653 00:48:45,199 --> 00:48:50,920 sun. Oh okay, I think it's about a quarter million miles and yeah, 654 00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:55,119 yeah, yeah, yeah, ninety three miles is the sun. That's 655 00:48:55,159 --> 00:48:59,440 another story. Some people say that the sun isn't really there, isn't it? 656 00:48:59,639 --> 00:49:02,559 You know? Well, I think what we're doing f as nearer than 657 00:49:02,599 --> 00:49:07,719 it actually is. The ninety three million miles. Well, yeah, do 658 00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:14,800 you know in some respects, I don't know if we know is the kind 659 00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:19,480 of the question. You know, there's somebody somewhere knows, you know, 660 00:49:19,639 --> 00:49:22,239 somebody. I mean, I coined this phrase the men in gray because we 661 00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:25,599 know about the men in black. And there's loads of people in technology. 662 00:49:25,679 --> 00:49:30,840 You know, you're bezos and your you know, tesla what's his face? 663 00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:35,480 My head? Now? Anyway him there's and there's loads of people out there 664 00:49:35,519 --> 00:49:38,679 who we know, and they're you know, in positions of power if you 665 00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:44,199 like, technologically, ecologically, medically, whatever you want to go. They're 666 00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:49,800 all running organizations, are all powerful figures. But they are public figures. 667 00:49:52,559 --> 00:49:55,079 Musk, that's the man you helped me out there. And but the public 668 00:49:55,159 --> 00:50:00,599 figures they're famous, whereas the men in gray, nobody knows. You never 669 00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:04,719 see them, you never hear of them. You're not privy to the fact 670 00:50:04,719 --> 00:50:07,360 that they're having meetings. You don't know the faces, you don't know where 671 00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:13,559 they're based. But I am convinced that they're everywhere. They're in every country, 672 00:50:14,039 --> 00:50:17,119 and they meet together and they actually have got the answers, whether they 673 00:50:17,239 --> 00:50:21,639 meet in Antarctica, or they meet in the Vatican, or you know, 674 00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:24,719 wherever, wherever you think these guys are getting together, but you will never 675 00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:29,800 know who they are. They are the men in gray. And basically the 676 00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:30,800 way I've come up with that is, you know, if life is a 677 00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:36,880 jigsaw puzzle, that's the missing piece. You can see the shape and you 678 00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:38,760 can see what they do. You can see the function. You know, 679 00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:42,239 you can see the function, you can see the form. You know they 680 00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:46,280 exist, but you just don't know them. That's the kicker. So I'm 681 00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:49,960 convinced they're out there, the men in gray, So they'd have the answer 682 00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:52,920 to that. They'd be able to come along and go, hey, Copernicus 683 00:50:52,079 --> 00:50:55,079 was right, you know, or whatever, you know, and they'd be 684 00:50:55,119 --> 00:51:00,360 able to come back. You know, who knows. I suspect, I 685 00:51:00,559 --> 00:51:07,440 strongly suspect that they have got connections to the Vatican Library. But not in 686 00:51:07,559 --> 00:51:13,119 a conspiratorial way, no, because if you watch the Da Vinci Code, 687 00:51:13,119 --> 00:51:15,440 you've got all these beautiful books, you know, in glass cases and they're 688 00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:20,360 all hermetically sealed, and obviously in that film, like you know, he 689 00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:22,400 smashes his way out with one of the shelves and this, that and the 690 00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:28,199 other book. If you've ever seen the Vatican Library, there's you know, 691 00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:32,920 enough material. I think they said, there's three hundred miles of shelving. 692 00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:40,119 There's two thousand years worth of books, most of which nobody can read, 693 00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:45,199 and there's it would it would take scholars, you know, hundreds of years 694 00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:52,400 to translate what's in that basement. Well, it's huge, it's enormous, 695 00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:58,679 vast, unbelievable, and it's not in nice ordered bookshelves, in cases, 696 00:51:58,760 --> 00:52:02,480 it's just it's chaos. It's absolute chaos. So I think the real principal 697 00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:07,239 volumes, I think a lot of them over the years, over the hundreds 698 00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:08,639 of years, have found the way into print, they've found the way out. 699 00:52:09,039 --> 00:52:13,039 So it's like, you know, twenty five copies of one thing and 700 00:52:13,199 --> 00:52:15,719 thirty copies of another and fifty copies of another. You know, you've got 701 00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:19,519 a lot of that going on. So I think a lot of the information's 702 00:52:19,559 --> 00:52:22,159 out. But then the stuff that they don't want you to know. You're 703 00:52:22,199 --> 00:52:24,159 back in the realms of the men in Gray, you know. So there 704 00:52:24,199 --> 00:52:28,960 are bits like that, bits of evidence that you can bolt on, you 705 00:52:29,079 --> 00:52:31,679 know, to see what these guys are about and perhaps one day find out 706 00:52:31,719 --> 00:52:36,679 who they are. Yeah, well there are There is a theory which I 707 00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:39,679 actually support, whether you do or not or don't know, but these men, 708 00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:44,840 these men in Gray you're talking about, are actually controlled by fifth dimensional 709 00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:52,119 reptilians. Well basically that's the case of people finding the same shaped piece of 710 00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:59,519 jigsaw and nailing it to the mast, but for different reasons. So you 711 00:52:59,599 --> 00:53:05,000 know, in a sorry fourth dimensional, sorry we go If we go beyond 712 00:53:05,039 --> 00:53:06,880 that, we go to the fifth dimension. That's what I meant to. 713 00:53:07,199 --> 00:53:10,239 Well, either way, they're out there. You know, something exists and 714 00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:15,119 something is controlling it all. You know. Well, I think I've bring 715 00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:21,159 enough to believe that myself and things are beginning to make sense about well, 716 00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:24,280 a lot of these things are making sense to me now. But the what 717 00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:29,079 do you call it? The earth was made out made up of a oh 718 00:53:29,159 --> 00:53:32,000 god, what's the word I forgot? The holograph, holographic world. The 719 00:53:32,119 --> 00:53:36,440 matrix. Yeah, the matrix theory. It's actually beginning to make sense. 720 00:53:36,639 --> 00:53:38,559 It took me a long time to get that realm, you know, but 721 00:53:38,639 --> 00:53:42,599 it's actually beginning to sink in there, and I think it's probably true, 722 00:53:43,119 --> 00:53:47,519 you know, do you know in a sense? In a sense it's it's 723 00:53:47,559 --> 00:53:52,079 a nice theory that's come out of the world of computing. But the world 724 00:53:52,159 --> 00:53:57,239 of computing operates to certain rules. So if you want to get out of 725 00:53:57,320 --> 00:54:00,400 the matrix, the only person that's going to release you from the matrix is 726 00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:05,760 the person that programmed the matrix. So that still stands as a problem. 727 00:54:06,199 --> 00:54:08,320 So if we are in a matrix, it's going to be a sort of 728 00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:10,320 a job to prove it, do you know what I mean? It's gonna 729 00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:14,960 be really, really difficult to start breaking that down. Now. I have 730 00:54:15,159 --> 00:54:16,480 seen things where people have said, oh, there's been a glitch in the 731 00:54:16,559 --> 00:54:22,360 matrix, you know, airplane's frozen in mid air and people disappearing and reappearing 732 00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:24,599 somewhere else, and this, that and the other. Well, I think 733 00:54:24,639 --> 00:54:31,360 that's more likely to be something inter dimensional than matrix related. I don't necessarily 734 00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:36,639 think the two are the same thing. I mean, if you watch the 735 00:54:36,679 --> 00:54:39,840 movies the matrix, the whole principles, the theories, and you know study 736 00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:44,599 that's gone into that, it's come from the world of computing, you know, 737 00:54:45,199 --> 00:54:47,719 and how computing is impacting on reality. Interesting. I mean that, 738 00:54:47,840 --> 00:54:51,679 you know, interesting, That's going to be something I think that Awakening will 739 00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:55,840 cover as a conference, things like AI, artificial intelligence and stuff like that. 740 00:54:57,360 --> 00:55:00,159 How far can it go. I've been having a very recently, really 741 00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:07,760 interesting discussion with someone who's pretty hot on AI. But my speciality, if 742 00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:12,559 you like, I'm pretty hot on spirituality, And to be honest, AI 743 00:55:12,679 --> 00:55:16,360 at the moment is losing. It's losing to spirituality. I think the human 744 00:55:16,599 --> 00:55:22,599 factor is still stronger. You know, we still do things, we are 745 00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:27,039 things, we're made of things that you know beyond the technological side of it, 746 00:55:27,599 --> 00:55:30,280 which then means the matrix is going to be phenomenally complicated. And maybe 747 00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:34,519 the only guys that really knew were the guys with the big heads. You 748 00:55:34,599 --> 00:55:37,280 know, we're back to that again. Maybe the guys in the past would 749 00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:42,480 have been able to answer questions like that, But we're struggling now, We 750 00:55:42,559 --> 00:55:46,000 really are struggling. In that word awakening means a lot, really, doesn't 751 00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:50,559 it. Yes, I mean, what's your waken to a certain point and 752 00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:55,519 you realize that it maybe is these fourth dimensional beans controlling what's going on on 753 00:55:57,119 --> 00:56:00,480 in this existence if you want to call it that. Won't call it a 754 00:56:00,519 --> 00:56:02,960 planet or a life or whatever, but in this existence or in this dimension. 755 00:56:04,440 --> 00:56:07,480 Uh, And then you've got to get beyond net to go into the 756 00:56:07,559 --> 00:56:13,480 fifth dimension where you kind of know it all basically. I mean, it 757 00:56:13,559 --> 00:56:15,760 gets a point of knowing. It's a bit. It's a bit like a 758 00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:19,039 double edged sword, really, because if it swings one way once you're awakened, 759 00:56:19,079 --> 00:56:22,079 you can't unlearn what you've learned. You know, it's impossible, you 760 00:56:22,159 --> 00:56:24,239 can't go back because that's one edge of the sword that's going to take your 761 00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:29,400 life in a very different direction. The other edge of the sword though, 762 00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:34,719 is nobody gets out of here alive anyway, So sooner or later you are 763 00:56:34,840 --> 00:56:39,199 going to exit this dimension. That's it. So that goes in both directions. 764 00:56:39,320 --> 00:56:45,719 So on one hand you're looking at the same basic sword. It's going 765 00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:47,519 one way saying what you're going to do when you're here, and then the 766 00:56:47,679 --> 00:56:51,400 next question is what you're going to do when you're not here. Yeah, 767 00:56:52,039 --> 00:56:58,320 I've been reading the David Iarke's Latis book called the Dream is Called, and 768 00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:02,719 it's also the previous one was called to Trap. Now he suggests that when 769 00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:07,440 we actually die, if we get to a certain point of understanding where we 770 00:57:07,559 --> 00:57:12,840 can get beyond this this matrix we were talking about and getting the fifth dimension, 771 00:57:14,199 --> 00:57:17,599 or we get trapped into coming back again via right reincarnation and that and 772 00:57:17,719 --> 00:57:22,039 that is the trap where you get where you come back again. Because these 773 00:57:22,800 --> 00:57:25,280 the old bay Off I think it is, he calls it when when you're 774 00:57:25,320 --> 00:57:32,559 actually cook them and you're you're in this constant dream motion y alder Boss, 775 00:57:32,639 --> 00:57:37,719 I think is where you were going, which is gnosticism. Yeah, that's 776 00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:42,360 an interesting direction for David to go in because I'm studying gnosticism at the moment 777 00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:45,960 and the gnostic it's a very interesting The next book, yeah, yeah, 778 00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:49,039 is the latest book, The Dream. I mean the first I would say 779 00:57:49,079 --> 00:57:52,360 the first third of it is actually quite difficult to get your head around actually 780 00:57:52,559 --> 00:57:55,920 from the way he's explaining it. But it does actually begin to sink in 781 00:57:57,039 --> 00:58:00,280 by the time you get over halfway through it. And the Yeah, of 782 00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:05,239 course, this is not only his theory. Anyway he works with He works 783 00:58:05,599 --> 00:58:09,760 people's series and studies therma, researches them and comes up with the same thing. 784 00:58:09,880 --> 00:58:14,760 Really well, he's he's a very very good journalist because that, in 785 00:58:14,920 --> 00:58:17,480 essence is what David is. He's extremely good at what he does. He's 786 00:58:17,519 --> 00:58:23,199 an information gatherer and he's very very good at joining the dots, which is 787 00:58:23,480 --> 00:58:29,760 which is the term he uses himself. Doesn't do it is absolutely and you 788 00:58:29,840 --> 00:58:32,159 know, hats off to him for having a go at doing what he's doing. 789 00:58:32,480 --> 00:58:37,159 I personally, I like to nail things down a little bit. I've 790 00:58:37,199 --> 00:58:42,480 got a slightly different way of looking at things because I'm coming slightly from a 791 00:58:42,519 --> 00:58:45,840 spiritual perspective. Somebody called me a guru the other day. Can you believe 792 00:58:45,880 --> 00:58:47,679 that I'm going to have to do something about this. Beer's just getting out 793 00:58:47,679 --> 00:58:52,639 of hand, you know what I mean? Yeah, you know what I 794 00:58:52,719 --> 00:58:54,679 mean. So you're not going to get me levitating off the couch anytime soon. 795 00:58:57,400 --> 00:59:00,920 I suppose I'm a you know, a guru of Shoot, it's a 796 00:59:00,039 --> 00:59:04,840 duck, you know, I kind of being an archaeologist. I'm very much 797 00:59:05,239 --> 00:59:09,440 evidence and fact you know driven, So some things I am willing to you 798 00:59:09,519 --> 00:59:14,320 know, cut it. Some slack things like the flat earth and lizard people 799 00:59:14,440 --> 00:59:16,840 may be less. So you know, well, the thing is even a 800 00:59:17,000 --> 00:59:22,840 way out of some of these theories and stories are they're interesting, and I 801 00:59:22,920 --> 00:59:27,119 mean, and the fact that a metter is that we are in a position 802 00:59:27,239 --> 00:59:29,880 we can't prove anything either way. No, I was going to say, 803 00:59:29,960 --> 00:59:32,239 even things like reincarnation. I mean, technically I shouldn't believe that. I 804 00:59:32,239 --> 00:59:36,000 should be like, no, that's not in my frame of reference. But 805 00:59:36,639 --> 00:59:39,400 and I've got to say, but back to your evidence again, there are 806 00:59:39,559 --> 00:59:46,480 people out there who were born like somebody else, with their memories and their 807 00:59:46,519 --> 00:59:51,559 information and their knowledge and all that. You know, So what do you 808 00:59:51,679 --> 00:59:53,559 do? How do you face that kind of evidence? You know, it's 809 00:59:54,880 --> 01:00:00,280 it's impossible to deny. So clearly something's going on. You know when someone 810 01:00:00,559 --> 01:00:06,440 comes out with a language, an ancient language. Yeah, they had no 811 01:00:06,599 --> 01:00:09,119 way of knowing what's the rip. I was thinking of, how do you 812 01:00:09,199 --> 01:00:14,239 explain that. There's a documented case in India of a child that was born. 813 01:00:14,320 --> 01:00:17,360 He was born with a mark on his forehead there and it was quite 814 01:00:17,360 --> 01:00:24,000 a substantial circular brown mark. And he was born at the precise moment when 815 01:00:24,079 --> 01:00:30,320 one of his neighbors was being shot in the head in exactly the same spot. 816 01:00:30,960 --> 01:00:34,559 Now on its own, that's pretty you know odd. Yes, I 817 01:00:34,679 --> 01:00:37,360 know things can happen mathematically and statistically or that. It's pretty odd. But 818 01:00:37,679 --> 01:00:43,239 and this is the real thing. What this child remembered was that his soul 819 01:00:43,400 --> 01:00:46,920 was kicked out by the incoming soul of the person who was just shot, 820 01:00:47,840 --> 01:00:54,159 to the point where the child could identify the other person's killer. So when 821 01:00:54,199 --> 01:00:58,280 you start getting to that kind of detail, you're like, whoa, you 822 01:00:58,360 --> 01:01:02,119 know something is going on here. You know, it's it's not easy to 823 01:01:02,239 --> 01:01:09,480 debunk some of the things that are coming out fascinating. Well, you said, 824 01:01:09,559 --> 01:01:13,599 go paranormal on you, So I have done. Well, We've got 825 01:01:13,679 --> 01:01:19,719 some paranormal Yeah, but I mean, what we what we're gonna talk about 826 01:01:19,800 --> 01:01:22,199 next time? Mark, what do your fancy next time? I don't know. 827 01:01:22,920 --> 01:01:28,639 I'm working on some interesting books. There's there's one book I'll do a 828 01:01:28,679 --> 01:01:30,159 bit of a plug for the future because people tend to ask me what I'm 829 01:01:30,280 --> 01:01:35,639 working on. So I am working on one about the Gnostics. It's goingly 830 01:01:35,679 --> 01:01:38,199 got a working title at the moment though, it's called Keys to the Temple. 831 01:01:39,159 --> 01:01:44,079 And basically anybody that knows me knows that, since the nineteen seventies, 832 01:01:44,159 --> 01:01:52,199 have been plowing through every available Middle Eastern scriptural, you know, translated document 833 01:01:52,280 --> 01:01:55,440 that's going nag Hammadi Library, dead Sea scrolls, apocryphy, you name it. 834 01:01:57,039 --> 01:02:00,079 I've just plowed through all of it. So it's going to be a 835 01:02:00,119 --> 01:02:01,719 bit of a you know, probably a bit like the King Arthur book. 836 01:02:01,719 --> 01:02:05,360 It's going to be quite a large one. But I'm going to write it 837 01:02:05,400 --> 01:02:12,639 in a really accessible and a well assessed style. So that's coming, but 838 01:02:12,760 --> 01:02:15,360 don't expect it tomorrow because it's you know, it's what prest We can do 839 01:02:15,480 --> 01:02:20,199 that maybe this time next year, right. The one, yeah, and 840 01:02:20,280 --> 01:02:22,960 the one I'm doing in the spring, which I'm going to knuckle down to 841 01:02:22,079 --> 01:02:27,599 is I've had a book on how can I put it? Basics of magic, 842 01:02:27,960 --> 01:02:30,920 real basics, So you're not talking about, you know, waving ones 843 01:02:30,960 --> 01:02:36,960 around in complicated ritual circles at certain astrological and all that. No, none 844 01:02:37,000 --> 01:02:43,119 of that stuff. Just basic rules of how magic works, almost on the 845 01:02:43,159 --> 01:02:45,760 shamanistic level. And it's going to be a bit of a crossover. It's 846 01:02:45,800 --> 01:02:50,119 going to be the magic that we know of now in the twenty first century, 847 01:02:50,639 --> 01:02:52,320 and it's going to be relevant. So it'll tell people a bit more 848 01:02:52,360 --> 01:02:55,559 about what magic is, how magic works, how you can you know, 849 01:02:55,880 --> 01:02:59,239 apply it, et cetera, et cetera. So it's going to be a 850 01:02:59,280 --> 01:03:01,239 bit of a how to because you know people will take it and run with 851 01:03:01,280 --> 01:03:04,800 it. I'm sure of it. So those are the two that I've kind 852 01:03:04,840 --> 01:03:10,079 of got planned coming up. That sounds like something for around about springtime. 853 01:03:10,119 --> 01:03:14,719 Then I reckon, yeah, yeah, yeah, so I shall book you 854 01:03:14,840 --> 01:03:16,199 for that. If you want to come back, well I either get either 855 01:03:16,239 --> 01:03:21,679 get me from magic or if you really feeling personally brave, you could get 856 01:03:21,719 --> 01:03:23,480 me to talk about the moon. Did we land on the moon? We 857 01:03:23,559 --> 01:03:29,679 could do well, yeah, that's where you want to go don't forget. 858 01:03:29,719 --> 01:03:32,800 We've got a wakening in February, so yeah, you're going to do Yeah, 859 01:03:34,519 --> 01:03:37,079 well you'll probably have to talk about that on the next shows or what 860 01:03:37,400 --> 01:03:42,559 way it went. But yeah, okay, so yeah, we'll talk about 861 01:03:42,599 --> 01:03:45,639 we'll probably do the moon and we're gnostics at all, but I think probably 862 01:03:45,800 --> 01:03:51,079 magic round about the springtime. But you could you could do a double whammy. 863 01:03:51,119 --> 01:03:53,480 You could do magic and the moon. Do those two together, because 864 01:03:53,480 --> 01:04:00,159 that so magic and the moon and then something that now, yeah, in 865 01:04:00,199 --> 01:04:02,440 the moon, let's do that, and we have to remind me because I'll 866 01:04:02,480 --> 01:04:06,719 forget magic in the moon. And then also as an extra little kind of 867 01:04:06,920 --> 01:04:11,159 plus thing, what did we think of awakening? How did a weakening go? 868 01:04:11,199 --> 01:04:13,960 Because it'll have happened by then, so yeah, there'll be a lot 869 01:04:14,000 --> 01:04:16,760 of new material. I know, I know exactly what's planned. So there's 870 01:04:16,760 --> 01:04:23,639 along a dark side of ye, so that should be quite interesting. Yeah, 871 01:04:23,880 --> 01:04:27,840 so that that might just dovetail into the magic quite nicely as well. 872 01:04:27,920 --> 01:04:30,079 So I think, yeah, just make sure we cover a weakening in the 873 01:04:30,159 --> 01:04:35,880 next one as well. It's been fantas everyone be on the show. Mark 874 01:04:36,679 --> 01:04:43,079 now you're your your book again is called what well, I'm going to do 875 01:04:43,159 --> 01:04:45,679 the shame. Can I do the shameless plug I've got a minute to do 876 01:04:45,719 --> 01:04:48,039 the shame. Let's do the shameless plug bit because I always say this to 877 01:04:48,119 --> 01:04:50,679 everybody. Okay, there's there's three things that you need to know. One 878 01:04:51,360 --> 01:04:55,199 where do you get me books from? Well, the obvious thing you do, 879 01:04:55,360 --> 01:04:57,519 go and have a nose at Amazon. Go and have a look because 880 01:04:57,559 --> 01:05:00,800 you'll find the last three. So the important ones Crystal Schools and human Heads, 881 01:05:01,800 --> 01:05:05,519 Europe's rosswell forty years since impact, and if you're really feeling brave, 882 01:05:05,639 --> 01:05:11,079 the polychronicon of Merlin, Joseph and Arthur. But just go off the pretty 883 01:05:11,159 --> 01:05:15,159 pictures. I've got to say that's it's proud of your more shelf ex. 884 01:05:15,239 --> 01:05:17,920 It's a stormer. It is a storm of that and it's good for a 885 01:05:18,000 --> 01:05:21,199 Christmas present. If you're going for a Christmas present, get yourself the hard 886 01:05:21,320 --> 01:05:26,239 back because it's it's lovely. So anyway, if you go have a look 887 01:05:26,280 --> 01:05:28,519 on Amazon, there's a few other books on there. I think there's nine 888 01:05:28,559 --> 01:05:31,239 of them there now, so go to look at Amazon. Number two if 889 01:05:31,280 --> 01:05:35,039 you want to see me in action. We've just managed to get the entire 890 01:05:35,119 --> 01:05:40,559 back catalog of productions that I've done for the last twenty years and now all 891 01:05:40,679 --> 01:05:44,760 on YouTube. Yeah, I've been checking them out. Actually yeah, Drake 892 01:05:44,840 --> 01:05:46,239 Michigan. Yeah, go and have a look at Drake Michigan. Well, 893 01:05:46,280 --> 01:05:48,960 I mean, if you're bored and you're freezing cold, you want to binge 894 01:05:49,039 --> 01:05:53,639 watch twenty two episodes of Lost Treasures, that'll take you about ten hours, 895 01:05:53,920 --> 01:05:56,360 so you can do that over Christmas or whatever. Folks want to do that. 896 01:05:56,559 --> 01:06:00,440 But there's lots of individual documentaries as well, and the individual episodes of 897 01:06:00,480 --> 01:06:03,920 Lost Treasures are only just under half an hour each, so loads of stuff. 898 01:06:03,960 --> 01:06:06,519 Go and find it. There's tons of stuff out there now, well 899 01:06:06,599 --> 01:06:10,400 worth a look. And lastly, but not leasily, anybody who wants to 900 01:06:10,480 --> 01:06:14,719 contact me Facebook. I'm on Facebook, you know, as long as your 901 01:06:14,800 --> 01:06:16,679 name is not Fife, tricks a bell and your profile is not a rainbow 902 01:06:16,800 --> 01:06:20,920 or anything silly, you know, yeah, as long as you're the real 903 01:06:21,079 --> 01:06:25,519 person, you know, with some real photographs, I'll accept the friend request. 904 01:06:25,559 --> 01:06:29,000 You can chat away to your hearts content on Messenger, so come and 905 01:06:29,159 --> 01:06:32,119 find me. So those are the three things. Amazon, YouTube, Facebook, 906 01:06:32,239 --> 01:06:34,519 There you go, and another one I shall put all the links on 907 01:06:34,599 --> 01:06:40,440 my Paranoral Dimensions page absolutely please whatever the links I can find and the pictures 908 01:06:40,480 --> 01:06:44,639 of your books and links and everything. Tickets are available for Awakening as well, 909 01:06:44,719 --> 01:06:47,800 and it's Awakening. I think is it twenty seven to fifty or thing 910 01:06:47,960 --> 01:06:50,679 or sorder price? So is that something like that. But there's a live 911 01:06:50,800 --> 01:06:55,960 link now you can order thems a live link. Actually put a link for 912 01:06:56,159 --> 01:07:00,960 the Awakening tickets as at a preparable Dimensions page. You'll phone the Lenk on 913 01:07:00,039 --> 01:07:09,320 your on your Facebook page anyway, you will anyway, having asked Christmas same 914 01:07:09,360 --> 01:07:15,360 to yourself. Nice to see the Christmas. I've got the beard. I've 915 01:07:15,400 --> 01:07:18,239 got the beard, but you've got the jumper. I'm wearing a red top 916 01:07:18,320 --> 01:07:20,440 to Yeah, we've done it between them. In fact, this is going 917 01:07:20,480 --> 01:07:27,199 to be my Christmas jumper for a Christmas meal. But that's been fantastic talking 918 01:07:27,199 --> 01:07:29,880 to you again, Mark and always good to see you, and we will 919 01:07:29,920 --> 01:07:33,360 do it again. Will be the magic of the moon. An absolute pleasure 920 01:07:33,400 --> 01:07:39,320 to return to your award winning show, because not yet I'm hoping, I'm 921 01:07:39,320 --> 01:07:42,920 hoping you'll have won by then nominated, But I mean I'm just prayer to 922 01:07:43,000 --> 01:07:46,440 be in the nominations actually alrightly, so in the top three, sir, 923 01:07:46,719 --> 01:07:53,679 and I'm up against Unkenny, that thing that was on the television, So 924 01:07:54,360 --> 01:07:57,440 I assume that they're going to win. I think they'll probably get all the 925 01:07:57,760 --> 01:07:59,880 I don't know, you know, because you're good, so you do. 926 01:08:00,400 --> 01:08:08,000 I mean, I'm actually flabaghast if that I'm even in the top three award 927 01:08:08,079 --> 01:08:11,400 nominated, that I've got a chance. I've got a chance on this show. 928 01:08:11,519 --> 01:08:14,639 Thank you for everyone that would have actually put votes in for this show. 929 01:08:15,320 --> 01:08:16,760 I really do appreciate it, and I love you all. Really, 930 01:08:17,560 --> 01:08:25,479 I'm just flabogasted that you've actually voted for me for the show. My name 931 01:08:25,560 --> 01:08:30,960 doesn't feature the show does parallel dimension so but hopefully soon you know what the 932 01:08:31,039 --> 01:08:35,960 results are. But yes, it's brilliant. I just can't believe it. 933 01:08:36,479 --> 01:08:39,359 Anyway, Mark, I'm going to let you go. Yeah, thank you 934 01:08:39,479 --> 01:08:41,720 very much. Go and have yourself a beer. I will do well. 935 01:08:41,760 --> 01:08:46,720 I've actually got Yeah, he's been a nuisance as usual. But anyway, 936 01:08:47,000 --> 01:08:50,239 Happy Christmas to everybody. Happy Christmas, Mark, and take care of yourself. 937 01:08:53,039 --> 01:08:58,000 See you next time. Cheers, Thank you next time. Thank you 938 01:08:58,119 --> 01:09:00,840 very much. Mark, Merry Christmas to you and a happy New Year, 939 01:09:00,880 --> 01:09:03,159 and I'll speak to you again soon. Okay. My next show which is 940 01:09:03,239 --> 01:09:06,640 next week, which is in a normal schedule of shows, and the guest 941 01:09:06,680 --> 01:09:13,319 will be Kathy Cogliano, and that comes out on Christmas Day, December twenty 942 01:09:13,399 --> 01:09:16,479 fifth, so you'll be able to download that or listen to it, so 943 01:09:16,600 --> 01:09:21,199 you'd better hear that from Christmas Day. That's Monday, the twenty fifth of 944 01:09:21,319 --> 01:09:27,479 December, and that will be the last show of the year, so I 945 01:09:27,520 --> 01:09:30,479 hope you will join me for that one. I know many might be able 946 01:09:30,520 --> 01:09:33,600 to join on the day, but it will be going out obviously for any 947 01:09:33,640 --> 01:09:36,960 time you want to download it, so but also is there if anyone wants 948 01:09:38,000 --> 01:09:42,960 to hear it on the day. That's the lovely Kathy Cogliano. Of course, 949 01:09:43,159 --> 01:09:45,800 as always, if you'd like to get in touch with me at any 950 01:09:45,880 --> 01:09:50,720 time about any subject, my email address is David Young two QN at Yahoo 951 01:09:50,920 --> 01:09:57,640 dot co dot uk. That's David Young two QN at Yahoo dot co dot 952 01:09:57,760 --> 01:10:00,920 uk. So you sign out now. I'll speak to you on December to 953 01:10:01,000 --> 01:10:06,479 twenty fifth with Kathy Cocoiano, and that's the last show of twenty twenty three. 954 01:10:08,439 --> 01:10:13,319 If you don't hear me between now and later after Christmas, hope you 955 01:10:13,319 --> 01:10:16,600 will have a happy Christmas and take care of yourselves. David young soning out, 956 01:10:16,800 --> 01:10:21,359 Bye bye, ladies and chentlemen. I cannot too strongly stress the necessity 957 01:10:21,399 --> 01:10:27,600 for codness. Do not allow yourselves to be emotionally disturbed by those messages. 958 01:10:28,079 --> 01:10:32,920 Paralormal Dimensions is as bright and powerful as our celestial stars up and although it's 959 01:10:33,000 --> 01:10:38,199 expending thousands of pounds of energy every minute of the day, have no fear. 960 01:10:39,199 --> 01:11:43,680 There's plenty left. Paranormal Dimensions is fortnightly on Mondays on the Paranormal UK 961 01:11:43,960 --> 01:11:44,760 Radio Network.