WEBVTT 1 00:00:19.199 --> 00:00:24.239 Well, good morning, all right, metroll flex. Let's have a fun 2 00:00:24.280 --> 00:00:27.960 one today. I'm Kevin Turner. If there's Dandy Baylist, Mike's Roy JJ 3 00:00:28.039 --> 00:00:34.560 Jackson and the House and today a special guest called again at eight ten former 4 00:00:34.600 --> 00:00:42.119 Dallas Cowboys head coach wearer of coaching shorts, Dave Campo, who actually rocked 5 00:00:42.119 --> 00:00:48.560 like the mini perm curly hair. Let's jump on with this at eight ten. 6 00:00:48.719 --> 00:00:50.679 Now, at the time he was booked, we did not know that 7 00:00:50.719 --> 00:00:54.880 the decision had been made to bring back coach Mike McCarthy. So we'll see 8 00:00:54.920 --> 00:00:56.960 if he has any hot thoughts that he can. Also walk us through the 9 00:00:57.039 --> 00:01:02.159 interview process for Daniel Quinn, things like that, I want to know what 10 00:01:02.200 --> 00:01:07.599 the weight feels like when you're five and eleven, five and eleven, Like 11 00:01:07.640 --> 00:01:12.840 how the weight yea of losing your job, feeling how you have to bite 12 00:01:12.879 --> 00:01:17.519 your tongue because they didn't get you a quarterback, right, It's a lot 13 00:01:17.560 --> 00:01:22.439 of things excited And I think that's his natural hair. Dude, this you 14 00:01:22.480 --> 00:01:27.040 didn't have a perm Yeah, people can say, yeah, curly, I 15 00:01:27.159 --> 00:01:33.519 just bought some much shampoo that adds to the curls. So that's why I've 16 00:01:33.519 --> 00:01:37.359 been looking more curly than usual lately. Do you like the curls? Yeah? 17 00:01:37.680 --> 00:01:40.040 I hated them growing up. I was gonna say, is that something 18 00:01:40.079 --> 00:01:44.079 that bothers a little boy? Yeah? You can't really do anything with your 19 00:01:44.120 --> 00:01:48.560 hair and you but as you get older, you realize people would kill for 20 00:01:48.640 --> 00:01:53.040 this long, wavy hair that I'd shave off. They would, well, 21 00:01:53.079 --> 00:01:57.439 no one would kill for it, now that's true. What's the longest you've 22 00:01:57.480 --> 00:02:00.920 ever had it? You ever had it? Touch on the shoulder? Nah, 23 00:02:00.959 --> 00:02:04.159 it will go down, it goes up, dude, it's the problem. 24 00:02:04.280 --> 00:02:07.159 Do this so good, dude. That's the one of the interesting things 25 00:02:07.199 --> 00:02:12.840 about having a kid. Because my oldest Josh, for whatever reason, and 26 00:02:12.879 --> 00:02:16.240 it makes no sense, he has got curly hair and it's real thick, 27 00:02:17.000 --> 00:02:22.159 so if he doesn't keep it in check, it gets wild. And in 28 00:02:22.240 --> 00:02:25.800 high school he you know, kids are, especially boys. We would do 29 00:02:25.879 --> 00:02:30.840 bits like grow it out and it would be hilarious, and family photos and 30 00:02:31.520 --> 00:02:36.479 holidays, it's like, what are you doing? Like, what what do 31 00:02:36.520 --> 00:02:39.039 you want for me? There's one photo of him when he was probably like 32 00:02:39.039 --> 00:02:44.479 twenty three or twenty four. I'm like, you look exactly like nineteen sixty 33 00:02:44.560 --> 00:02:46.759 six. Bob Dylan, okay, and I did a photo of him and 34 00:02:46.800 --> 00:02:52.520 an AB comparison, and it's uncanny, the crazy, big old fro. 35 00:02:53.360 --> 00:02:54.800 But you, you know you kind of Why don't you let it rip? 36 00:02:54.879 --> 00:03:00.800 keV? How would you pledge today, on this day not to cut your 37 00:03:00.800 --> 00:03:05.400 hair until Mike McCarthy is gone as coach of the Cowboys. You are like 38 00:03:05.439 --> 00:03:08.800 the McCarthy dude in the whole city. I could even get on the elevator. 39 00:03:09.800 --> 00:03:15.639 The hair would be TOI tree, beac your eighty foot tree, because 40 00:03:15.680 --> 00:03:20.960 it goes up. It imagine up forever though, come on down Jonah Hill's 41 00:03:21.039 --> 00:03:23.520 Super Bad era. It goes up. No, it would look like an 42 00:03:23.560 --> 00:03:29.919 afro. Cool. It's it's wrong with that. You're in radio. What 43 00:03:30.159 --> 00:03:31.879 does that mean? It means it doesn't matter what you look like? Yeah, 44 00:03:31.919 --> 00:03:35.439 it does. I still do things. You know what you could do 45 00:03:35.439 --> 00:03:38.039 though, that is my primary job. Grow it out super long and then 46 00:03:38.080 --> 00:03:43.039 go the Jimmy Butler route and then you look like Andre three thousand. Yeah, 47 00:03:44.319 --> 00:03:47.159 just flatten that. That doesn't look good. You don't know you, 48 00:03:49.199 --> 00:03:53.240 Kevin, Kevin, stop lying, don't start the yes. Four minutes into 49 00:03:53.240 --> 00:04:00.280 the show and already flood of lies. I've straightened my hair, don't the 50 00:04:00.360 --> 00:04:04.319 day lying. I was too embarrassed to uh even show the picture because guys 51 00:04:04.639 --> 00:04:09.840 like me with the little with a touch of heft don't look great with the 52 00:04:09.840 --> 00:04:15.400 streetened hair that's long. It's just a thing. It's it's fine. Make 53 00:04:15.439 --> 00:04:21.920 the pledge, I think of the pledge. Make the pledge to McCarthy is 54 00:04:21.920 --> 00:04:27.199 gone. And then Mikey and I are praying for a Super Bowl win and 55 00:04:27.279 --> 00:04:31.120 a contract extension. Yeah, well you don't have to worry about that. 56 00:04:31.240 --> 00:04:35.160 That are happening. That's the big news. And we'll hit that up multiple 57 00:04:35.199 --> 00:04:40.680 times today because uh yeah, I mean they announced the last night tomorrow, 58 00:04:40.800 --> 00:04:44.920 Mike McCarthy is or today today Allegedly m McCarthy's supposed to meet with them, 59 00:04:44.920 --> 00:04:48.519 but Jerry sent out a pressure release that But like normally I get Cowboys media 60 00:04:48.560 --> 00:04:50.959 stuff. Did y'all get the pressure release? I didn't, And you know, 61 00:04:51.000 --> 00:04:55.800 I don't know. When contacting the Cowboys pr team to get guests on 62 00:04:55.839 --> 00:04:59.720 the show, uh, they say things like, well, we're monitoring your 63 00:04:59.759 --> 00:05:02.879 state and things like that. So trust me, you're gonna get the harsh 64 00:05:02.959 --> 00:05:08.839 truth about the Cowboys. You're not gonna get Jerry's pocket lining opinions today. 65 00:05:09.720 --> 00:05:13.279 Oh, no, you won't you tell him that was never a real thing. 66 00:05:13.319 --> 00:05:15.160 By the way, did Jerry did not care what anyone says by him? 67 00:05:15.199 --> 00:05:18.279 Yeah? I didn't know about this until Mikey sent the screenshot of the 68 00:05:18.360 --> 00:05:23.199 chefter tweet last night. Did that just happen when you sent that? Yeah? 69 00:05:23.279 --> 00:05:27.639 Ten minutes ten minutes before, uh, and I did. I am 70 00:05:27.680 --> 00:05:32.839 still on the good good list. I got the press release from senior vice 71 00:05:32.839 --> 00:05:39.240 president of communication with the Dallas Cowboys, Tad Tad Carper. Oh, Tad? 72 00:05:39.560 --> 00:05:42.360 Do you know Tad? I have not met him. I would like 73 00:05:42.439 --> 00:05:46.959 to though. Maybe he could get us a guest Tad Carper two on four 74 00:05:46.959 --> 00:05:50.759 or just leave a talk back. Yeah, email me. Hey, guys, 75 00:05:50.839 --> 00:05:56.319 it's Tad Carper Harper. Oh. I did get the statement. I 76 00:05:56.319 --> 00:05:58.519 don't know. Do you want it at any point? I do? I 77 00:05:58.639 --> 00:06:00.720 want you to read it in your best Jerry Jones voice? No, no, 78 00:06:00.720 --> 00:06:04.000 no, right now? Is Jerry Jr. I don't want to read 79 00:06:04.040 --> 00:06:06.079 this? Yeah, I don't read it. Then, well it's something I 80 00:06:06.120 --> 00:06:10.800 don't want to read it. I just don't know if it's if that's what 81 00:06:11.120 --> 00:06:14.399 my people, my fans want to hear. I don't know what your fans 82 00:06:14.439 --> 00:06:16.240 want to hear, to be honest, man, fans, all right, 83 00:06:17.680 --> 00:06:20.000 did you know this? I know? All right, you know what? 84 00:06:20.079 --> 00:06:24.199 This is going to be a big topic of the day or twitch people. 85 00:06:24.560 --> 00:06:30.759 So you have a fan clubs a bass. Yeah, yeah. I like 86 00:06:30.800 --> 00:06:33.360 when you start saying things to mobilize your bass. I moved my base. 87 00:06:33.879 --> 00:06:36.879 All right, we're gonna talk about this plenty today. McCarthy being you know, 88 00:06:36.959 --> 00:06:40.680 the announced he's coming back. So yes, I think beginning the day 89 00:06:40.720 --> 00:06:44.240 with a statement from Jerry Jones, do it. I'm not doing any voices, 90 00:06:44.560 --> 00:06:46.879 but here you go, once again from the desk of Tad Carper. 91 00:06:48.439 --> 00:06:51.439 Do it as Tad Carper. All right, fine, he sounds exactly like 92 00:06:51.519 --> 00:06:57.480 me. I believe this team is very close and capable of achieving our ultimate 93 00:06:57.519 --> 00:07:00.680 goals, and the best step forward for us will be Mike McCarthy as our 94 00:07:00.720 --> 00:07:05.480 head coach. There is a great benefit to continuing the team's progress under Mike's 95 00:07:05.519 --> 00:07:11.079 leadership as our head coach. Specifically, there are many layers of success that 96 00:07:11.120 --> 00:07:15.240 have occurred this season as a result of Mike's approach to leading the team, 97 00:07:15.279 --> 00:07:18.759 both with individual players, and our team collectively. Mike has the highest regular 98 00:07:18.759 --> 00:07:24.279 season winning percentage of any head coach in Cowboys' history, and we will dedicate 99 00:07:24.319 --> 00:07:30.279 ourselves in partnership with him to translating that into reaching our postseason goals. Certainly, 100 00:07:30.480 --> 00:07:32.959 Mike's career has demonstrated postseason's success at a high level, and we have 101 00:07:33.000 --> 00:07:39.360 great confidence that he can continue further. Our loss on Sunday is shared by 102 00:07:39.399 --> 00:07:42.639 everyone here, not just coach McCarthy, our players, coaches, front office, 103 00:07:42.680 --> 00:07:46.079 myself. There's accountability for our results. I am accountable for our results. 104 00:07:47.000 --> 00:07:53.439 The lens we use to view and evaluate Coach McCarthy is holistic. While 105 00:07:53.439 --> 00:07:57.399 we're all disappointed with the result on Sunday and with our playoff record, I'm 106 00:07:57.399 --> 00:08:00.879 one hundred percent supportive of him as our head coach. Ability to reach our 107 00:08:00.920 --> 00:08:05.279 goals almost done. We will start our process of review and decision making regarding 108 00:08:05.360 --> 00:08:11.439 everything that impacts our team and roster. And while we are not going to 109 00:08:11.439 --> 00:08:15.000 address specific players and extensions or free agents at this point, it deserves our 110 00:08:15.040 --> 00:08:22.199 deepest reviewing consideration and it will get it signed. Jerry Jones from ted Tad 111 00:08:22.319 --> 00:08:26.040 Carper. Okay, now, let me read that again, I believe this 112 00:08:26.199 --> 00:08:33.320 team is very close. Who told Jerry to use the word holistic because it's 113 00:08:33.519 --> 00:08:37.279 really well, it's well placed, is it. Yeah, Because the definition 114 00:08:37.320 --> 00:08:45.159 of holistic is it's like accountability for the entire system rather than individual parts. 115 00:08:46.799 --> 00:08:50.480 Right, like you holistic medicine deals with the mind and the body. You 116 00:08:50.519 --> 00:08:54.440 know. But you you hear holistic and you think woo woo. You know 117 00:08:54.600 --> 00:09:00.200 space, space age, you know methods. But the real definition of the 118 00:09:00.200 --> 00:09:03.759 word is accurately used there. I don't think that's in his I don't think 119 00:09:03.799 --> 00:09:07.879 that's in his vernac kind of success and blame would be shared among everything exactly, 120 00:09:09.200 --> 00:09:11.120 Like it's not just our fault, the three of us, Yeah, 121 00:09:11.279 --> 00:09:16.840 you know, it's everyone. What did we do? Just I'm applying it 122 00:09:16.879 --> 00:09:22.080 to us. I'm making it like if something, Yes, there's everybody working 123 00:09:22.120 --> 00:09:26.799 together. I have a lot of un succeeding. I have a lot of 124 00:09:26.960 --> 00:09:31.399 Uh, I think it's succeeding fine, or it will Holistically I'm speaking, 125 00:09:31.480 --> 00:09:35.799 yeah, holistically, I think I've got a lot of I don't know, 126 00:09:35.840 --> 00:09:43.200 like conspiracies maybe, or Kevin's conspiracy corner, or like getting that over well, 127 00:09:43.200 --> 00:09:46.000 if you wanted to go and say, Jerry's pissed, wanted to get 128 00:09:46.039 --> 00:09:50.440 him fired, but he was talked off the ledge for reasons that were very 129 00:09:50.440 --> 00:09:54.200 clear, like it's Mike's last year. Think of the money you'll save, 130 00:09:54.159 --> 00:09:56.720 you know, but just paying him is last year, and you can team 131 00:09:56.799 --> 00:10:01.200 him up with Dak or taint him up with that because because it could be 132 00:10:01.279 --> 00:10:05.159 daxx last year. The truth is, Dak is a sixty million dollar cap 133 00:10:05.240 --> 00:10:11.399 hit going into this year, and you can let him play on sixty million 134 00:10:11.480 --> 00:10:16.360 and get literally no help around the rest of your team for one year for 135 00:10:16.440 --> 00:10:18.679 one year. But here's how it works in the NFL. You sign these 136 00:10:18.759 --> 00:10:22.519 quarterbacks to huge deals, their cap number is huge, and then you give 137 00:10:22.600 --> 00:10:24.279 them an extension before the contracts up. And that's what they're gonna do. 138 00:10:24.960 --> 00:10:28.120 They're gonna meet with Dak, They're gonna give him a contract extension. Fans 139 00:10:28.120 --> 00:10:31.360 are gonna freak out, But what it's really going to do is be good 140 00:10:31.360 --> 00:10:33.919 for the team because it gets your cap number down and you can go get 141 00:10:33.960 --> 00:10:37.679 players around him. And that's gonna happen before for the season. Before the 142 00:10:37.720 --> 00:10:43.000 season. Yeah, and he's playing at sixty million on the cap. Well, 143 00:10:43.759 --> 00:10:48.360 unless they say screw it, you're not getting any help. But they're 144 00:10:48.399 --> 00:10:50.399 not gonna do that to him. They'll go all in here, well as 145 00:10:50.440 --> 00:10:56.600 all in his possible. What's the shortest amount of time realistically that that extension 146 00:10:56.639 --> 00:11:03.399 could could be? What accept because then you're doing that, Yeah, and 147 00:11:03.440 --> 00:11:09.879 said he deserves to be paid like one of the best. He has two 148 00:11:09.000 --> 00:11:11.960 voidable years on his contract after that, and I know this is all gonna 149 00:11:11.960 --> 00:11:15.720 get in him the newsia talk. So you could sign him. You could 150 00:11:15.759 --> 00:11:18.320 wipe those out and sign him to a five year deal. Would that be 151 00:11:18.360 --> 00:11:22.000 three with two options? Yeah? Or you could I don't know if he'd 152 00:11:22.000 --> 00:11:28.399 accept right it. You could write it out. It's sixty MILI on your 153 00:11:28.440 --> 00:11:33.120 cap, and then you have the option to walk away, or you could 154 00:11:33.120 --> 00:11:35.759 franchise him or negotiate. If you don'tive him an extension, he's gonna be 155 00:11:35.840 --> 00:11:39.039 like, Okay, I'll go see where I want to go, you know, 156 00:11:39.159 --> 00:11:43.279 but they still have the franchise tag thing and that's after next year though, 157 00:11:43.360 --> 00:11:46.159 Yeah, okay, because they can't franchise him now. But here's now. 158 00:11:46.200 --> 00:11:48.720 Your only two options are to re up him for an extension or to 159 00:11:48.759 --> 00:11:52.799 just sit on that sixty million dollars hit, have him played one year and 160 00:11:52.840 --> 00:11:58.399 then you're basically starting from scratch, and is he a free agent? Here's 161 00:11:58.440 --> 00:12:01.480 the yeah, it's sorry, that's all just no. It all gets so 162 00:12:01.600 --> 00:12:05.039 bad and I don't even want to do it. I know, but as 163 00:12:05.039 --> 00:12:07.879 it goes on for four years and it never stops talking about his country. 164 00:12:07.960 --> 00:12:11.480 The point is Dak can do things to and the Cowboys will do things to 165 00:12:11.480 --> 00:12:16.600 his contract to give them more money. Okay, Dak is your quarterback. 166 00:12:16.639 --> 00:12:20.480 They're not moving on from Dak unless they traded him, and you could maybe 167 00:12:20.519 --> 00:12:24.799 trade him, and you could trade him and time it up with McCarthy. 168 00:12:26.000 --> 00:12:28.600 It also is very possible that Dak said, I ain't signing anything. I'll 169 00:12:28.639 --> 00:12:31.240 play under what my contract is. If you guys get rid of Mike, 170 00:12:31.240 --> 00:12:35.200 I ain't signing nothing. I don't think Dak would do that. I think 171 00:12:35.320 --> 00:12:39.480 Dak likes being the quarterback of the Dallas Cowboys more than he likes Mike McCarthy. 172 00:12:39.159 --> 00:12:41.080 Coming into this year, I don't know where he is now. He 173 00:12:41.200 --> 00:12:48.480 liked Kellen Moore more than Mike McCarthy. I do believe that, Philip tell 174 00:12:48.519 --> 00:12:54.559 you what, there's too many damn noise and opinions with this team. The 175 00:12:54.600 --> 00:12:56.080 reason he didn't run the ball this year because you let Kellen more go and 176 00:12:56.159 --> 00:12:58.600 everyone's being met at that and Dak didn't throw interceptions. That's good. Mike 177 00:12:58.639 --> 00:13:03.840 mcarthy should get credit for that. McCarthy's not a good run game coordinator and 178 00:13:03.000 --> 00:13:05.639 Kellen Moore is. And you can look what they did in charge and say 179 00:13:07.039 --> 00:13:09.159 for the Chargers and go, well, they had a bed year because that 180 00:13:09.200 --> 00:13:13.639 team sucked and they'd quit. That doesn't matter. But that is a big 181 00:13:13.720 --> 00:13:16.840 chunk of this too. On offense, you go back to defense being the 182 00:13:16.840 --> 00:13:20.039 problem all these things, because here's what I keep going back to, I 183 00:13:20.080 --> 00:13:22.879 didn't know that Jerry, and I feel like I'm an idiot. I'm the 184 00:13:22.879 --> 00:13:26.639 one who got fooled like the rest of us. I didn't know that Jerry 185 00:13:26.720 --> 00:13:35.120 was a big old pussy cat. It's not even true. Jerry's a gambling 186 00:13:35.240 --> 00:13:41.720 man, he's a wild car. He'll put it in a gloryhole. Well, 187 00:13:41.799 --> 00:13:43.639 Kevin recovers, I want to address something not even true. Man, 188 00:13:45.080 --> 00:13:50.559 This is the safest stuff you could have done yesterday. Collectively, all of 189 00:13:50.639 --> 00:13:52.919 us, I think we're in agreement that the best thing for them to do 190 00:13:54.519 --> 00:14:00.159 would be to cut ties with McCarthy and go hard after Belichick. But we 191 00:14:00.279 --> 00:14:05.679 felt like what they would do is Keith McCarthy correct, which when you think 192 00:14:05.720 --> 00:14:09.159 about it, and it's kind of funny coming from us, which I think 193 00:14:09.279 --> 00:14:15.399 is by and large the show that employs the theory of the steady hand. 194 00:14:16.159 --> 00:14:20.440 It is the steady hand move. Yes, it's the old school because we 195 00:14:20.480 --> 00:14:24.240 talked about how Tomlin's been with the Steelers forever and you know, they've won 196 00:14:24.279 --> 00:14:28.000 one super Bowl and they're always in the conversation, They're always in the playoffs, 197 00:14:28.039 --> 00:14:31.639 winning records or just the norm for them, but you know, one 198 00:14:31.720 --> 00:14:37.600 super Bowl and that during that tenure isn't a lot, I guess compared to 199 00:14:37.679 --> 00:14:41.120 us, it is. But the days are gone of the coaches with long, 200 00:14:41.720 --> 00:14:46.200 long careers with one team. There's kind of part of me that thinks 201 00:14:46.240 --> 00:14:50.000 it almost is a punk rock move of Jerry to keep him, you know, 202 00:14:52.200 --> 00:14:56.720 like the wild the wild Card wild Cat and Jerry would have have made 203 00:14:58.399 --> 00:15:01.879 a big splash decision based on emotion, and this one, when you look 204 00:15:01.879 --> 00:15:05.600 at the team, it's like, man, maybe there is something to the 205 00:15:05.639 --> 00:15:09.519 fact that they collectively laid a stinker at the worst possible time and ran into 206 00:15:11.000 --> 00:15:16.879 a team that was playing the best football they've ever played in their current incarnation, 207 00:15:18.639 --> 00:15:22.919 and those things collided and bad things happened. In a steady hand looks 208 00:15:22.960 --> 00:15:26.000 at that for what it is, if that's what it is, and just 209 00:15:26.039 --> 00:15:30.720 says, you know what, let's just improve and run it back. And 210 00:15:30.799 --> 00:15:33.039 part of me now after four days removed from this thing happening, and I 211 00:15:33.080 --> 00:15:37.799 was emotional as hell over this. I don't hate it. I would imagine 212 00:15:37.840 --> 00:15:43.759 our bosses or whoever would want us to come in and screaming about something today, 213 00:15:43.799 --> 00:15:48.879 Oh you just wait, okay, good, But I completely agree with 214 00:15:48.919 --> 00:15:56.399 you. But I agree with Kevin on the pussycat front that he does. 215 00:15:58.279 --> 00:16:02.639 He doesn't take the big risk he does, but he does the He was 216 00:16:02.679 --> 00:16:06.559 never try to get bad like. He was never a smart, responsible thing. 217 00:16:07.279 --> 00:16:11.600 And that's what this is, is it? Yeah, this is the 218 00:16:11.639 --> 00:16:19.960 really safe, smart responsible thing poring. Yes, absolutely, McCarthy originally was 219 00:16:19.960 --> 00:16:22.960 boring. It wasn't like and he was like, yeah, we got the 220 00:16:23.000 --> 00:16:29.720 guy nobody was, but you hired dude that didn't really like move the needle 221 00:16:29.799 --> 00:16:37.080 or get the breakfast boners up and run in. And then he does really 222 00:16:38.240 --> 00:16:41.879 why would you define them? Like I said, we have Dave Campbell on 223 00:16:41.279 --> 00:16:45.240 he went five and eleven three straight years. Yeah, I mean I Garrett 224 00:16:45.240 --> 00:16:48.600 never. I don't think Garrett ever had back to back playoff appearances. Right, 225 00:16:49.600 --> 00:16:55.279 So like you start, didn't get everyone excited that dude does. What 226 00:16:55.320 --> 00:16:57.519 would you say? Pretty good? I mean, what's the even Like the 227 00:16:57.639 --> 00:17:03.960 McCarthy hater, how would you define his tenure? You would say good regular 228 00:17:03.000 --> 00:17:07.400 season, good in games that don't matter, which is easy sentence to say. 229 00:17:07.440 --> 00:17:10.599 And you can't win in the playoffs. Not good enough, not good 230 00:17:10.680 --> 00:17:12.680 enough to win the Super Bowl? Because why because I forgot the Cowboys are 231 00:17:12.720 --> 00:17:18.160 just a magical special team that the other rules of sport don't really apply to. 232 00:17:18.680 --> 00:17:22.480 Because you just deserve better. Why because of the shape of the design 233 00:17:22.519 --> 00:17:25.960 on your helmet. Because you have more money than any franchise in the history 234 00:17:26.000 --> 00:17:30.160 of the world. Right, You're the most lucrative franchise in all of sports, 235 00:17:30.240 --> 00:17:33.359 all of it globally, and you can do anything you want. So 236 00:17:33.440 --> 00:17:37.279 you go get the best guy. You can get a guide that we have 237 00:17:37.599 --> 00:17:40.799 known holes in his game. If it was baseball, fine, this is 238 00:17:40.839 --> 00:17:44.720 a cap sport. They should hire the most expensive defensive coordinators. Okay, 239 00:17:44.920 --> 00:17:48.599 I completely agree. You know you should have three of the ten best all 240 00:17:48.640 --> 00:17:53.000 around coaches in the sport working for you. Fine, Fine, the one 241 00:17:53.039 --> 00:17:56.799 area that's uncapped. You can hire anyone you want. You can create the 242 00:17:56.079 --> 00:18:00.759 ultimate dream team of brains to run the off. I agree with that, 243 00:18:00.799 --> 00:18:06.680 because that's the league doesn't prevent it. You could have ten coaches that are 244 00:18:06.759 --> 00:18:11.079 just all whizzes. And that's the idea. That's what everyone's trying to do. 245 00:18:11.200 --> 00:18:14.160 But it's not that easy. You have to And the thing is, 246 00:18:14.680 --> 00:18:18.000 and Mike Reiner says this all the time, when you put a collection of 247 00:18:18.720 --> 00:18:23.000 highly talented people together, the question is can you make this work? And 248 00:18:23.720 --> 00:18:30.440 what's really not working as an organization? Obviously they're not winning in the playoffs. 249 00:18:30.519 --> 00:18:34.720 That sucks, But we talked about this too. The reason that coaches 250 00:18:34.759 --> 00:18:38.799 get fired is when the team, when they lose their team or or a 251 00:18:38.920 --> 00:18:45.599 toxic culture within the team and the coaching staff. We haven't heard anything about 252 00:18:45.640 --> 00:18:48.519 that. They seem to be pretty smooth out there. Everybody gets along, 253 00:18:48.599 --> 00:18:53.799 everybody seems to be on the same page. You don't have players anonymously just 254 00:18:55.039 --> 00:18:57.119 ripping each other to shreds. You don't see a lot of chaos on the 255 00:18:57.200 --> 00:19:02.480 sidelines. I mean, it's a pretty measured team. They imploded in twenty 256 00:19:02.519 --> 00:19:06.880 twenty when the defense of Mike Nolan fell apart, but also the season I 257 00:19:07.279 --> 00:19:11.440 believe this. I believe NFL teams quit when they realized their quarterback is not 258 00:19:11.559 --> 00:19:15.039 good. So dat gets hurt that year and that's when things got There were 259 00:19:15.079 --> 00:19:19.359 some tension, locker room tension and things going on there. And who knows 260 00:19:19.359 --> 00:19:23.599 that that was also a year and I believe Jalen Smith got paid around that 261 00:19:23.680 --> 00:19:26.799 time too, was still plying. So there's a lot of things that go 262 00:19:26.880 --> 00:19:32.880 with that. But the Mike Nolan thing was weird. Got that handled. 263 00:19:33.720 --> 00:19:41.000 Dan Quinn comes in. Things stabilized unless you're playing Shanahan style offenses, which 264 00:19:41.039 --> 00:19:44.720 is that's been crazy status. JJ simp me said too, we should think 265 00:19:44.799 --> 00:19:48.920 McCarthy of McCarthy the same way we think of Mike Tomlin. JJ sent me 266 00:19:48.000 --> 00:19:56.440 this tweet. It's from Andrew Philippony Oh the Pony Express, and it's Rio 267 00:19:56.640 --> 00:20:02.799 and I you know this guy. Mike Tomlin career record one hundred and seventy 268 00:20:02.799 --> 00:20:07.839 three and one hundred eight and ten in the playoffs, one super Bowl, 269 00:20:07.400 --> 00:20:12.480 Mike McCarthy one super Bowl, better playoff record at eleven and eleven and just 270 00:20:12.559 --> 00:20:18.640 six less wins and two more losses. Like we should think about Mike McCarthy 271 00:20:18.640 --> 00:20:21.279 the same way we think should we think about m McCarthy the same way we 272 00:20:21.279 --> 00:20:26.440 think about John Harbaugh. You know, probably with McCarthy, you're probably gonna 273 00:20:26.440 --> 00:20:27.720 be good show. If you have McCarthy in a good quarterback, you're gonna 274 00:20:27.720 --> 00:20:33.279 take the playoffs most every year until it eventually implodes. That's true, and 275 00:20:33.319 --> 00:20:37.640 that is that's the same thing. I just it's what Mikey. It's what 276 00:20:37.720 --> 00:20:42.200 Mikey says. And I love your perspective when you talk about the Cowboys not 277 00:20:42.319 --> 00:20:45.920 growing up here, not being a lifelong fan, but also not being a 278 00:20:45.960 --> 00:20:51.079 hater, you know, because it seems like you're either one or the other. 279 00:20:51.359 --> 00:20:53.440 But you've lived here long enough, you've covered the team long enough to 280 00:20:53.640 --> 00:20:59.920 have a pretty fair and balanced opinion of this thing. But you do bring 281 00:21:00.079 --> 00:21:03.799 up this point sometimes that this team, without maybe saying it specifically, that 282 00:21:03.880 --> 00:21:12.359 this team lives on this hubris of global perception of what they really are, 283 00:21:14.480 --> 00:21:19.640 which is this championship legacy. Keep this in mind, this team was not 284 00:21:19.880 --> 00:21:23.640 the team of the seventies. They won two Super Bowls in the seventies. 285 00:21:23.680 --> 00:21:27.839 Correct, Okay, the team of the seventies was in Steelers, all right. 286 00:21:29.400 --> 00:21:32.759 The team of the eighties. They were pretty decent for a good portion 287 00:21:32.839 --> 00:21:33.960 of the eighties, but they couldn't get past the forty nine ers. The 288 00:21:33.960 --> 00:21:37.759 forty nine Ers were the team of the eighties. They won three out of 289 00:21:37.799 --> 00:21:42.200 four Super Bowls in the nineties, and they've been not heard from since. 290 00:21:42.480 --> 00:21:47.319 They had magic in a bottle, they had the great herschel Walker trade results, 291 00:21:47.759 --> 00:21:52.440 they had they had to use this word again, a perfect confluence of 292 00:21:52.480 --> 00:21:56.279 a lot of great things happening for them at once. They were well coached, 293 00:21:56.279 --> 00:22:00.359 they had a fiery new owner, they were energetic and good to go. 294 00:22:00.640 --> 00:22:03.480 And yes, they've been pretty damned irrelevant since. But the reason that 295 00:22:03.519 --> 00:22:07.839 people look at this team with this, oh my god, we got to 296 00:22:07.880 --> 00:22:11.160 get back to our championship culture and being the team of a decade. No, 297 00:22:11.359 --> 00:22:17.519 you were the team of about four years in your entire existence. The 298 00:22:17.599 --> 00:22:21.799 reason that people think of you as this, you know, legacy team is 299 00:22:21.839 --> 00:22:27.400 because of efing marketing, which Jerry is better at than being a football team 300 00:22:27.480 --> 00:22:33.279 owner. Period. That timed up within nineteen ninety four, when the world 301 00:22:33.519 --> 00:22:40.599 was exposed to NFL Sunday ticket and then out of market teams could watch every 302 00:22:40.640 --> 00:22:44.640 Cowboy game and you could watch every NFL team you wanted to see, and 303 00:22:44.720 --> 00:22:47.920 the league grew from that, and Jerry should get more credit for that than 304 00:22:47.960 --> 00:22:51.200 anything else. You're starting to the Sunday ticket, Yeah, yeah, yeah, 305 00:22:51.279 --> 00:22:53.799 yeah, NFL Sunday ticket. Yeah, like that is when it timed 306 00:22:53.839 --> 00:22:59.160 up. The Cowboys were getting huge in that early nineties. It's when that 307 00:22:59.400 --> 00:23:02.759 began where you could watch every NFL game if you wanted to or if you 308 00:23:02.799 --> 00:23:07.359 could afford it or whatever, and if you had Drake TV, which you 309 00:23:07.359 --> 00:23:10.400 know a lot of people didn't at that time until then. Like it, 310 00:23:11.279 --> 00:23:17.200 all that, you're absolutely right, comes down to Jimmy Johnson fleeced Mike Lynn, 311 00:23:17.240 --> 00:23:22.319 who was the general manager of the Minnesota Vikings, and tricked him basically 312 00:23:22.440 --> 00:23:25.440 right, yeah, because they didn't realize all those picks if they cut him, 313 00:23:25.440 --> 00:23:29.000 would turn into or all those players once cut would turn into draft picks. 314 00:23:29.160 --> 00:23:33.000 Yeah, and basically like a clerical error. And they also like fudge 315 00:23:33.039 --> 00:23:37.960 the results on his head, on his head scans Herschel's one hundred percent. 316 00:23:37.960 --> 00:23:41.640 He's in his prime and it was just a head injury status and it led 317 00:23:41.640 --> 00:23:45.000 to all this. But there's this like mystique you know, buged me yesterday 318 00:23:45.039 --> 00:23:48.160 or day before. I heard Michael Irvin audio, you know, and he's 319 00:23:48.160 --> 00:23:52.279 doing his thing. I mean you're not helping either, because all he does 320 00:23:52.400 --> 00:23:56.000 is I put the trophy on the desk and show those that came before me, 321 00:23:56.640 --> 00:24:00.319 Like, yeah, great, what does that happen to do with anything? 322 00:24:00.400 --> 00:24:04.000 Now? Like actual real stuff like this is how many people you can 323 00:24:04.039 --> 00:24:07.039 have on your roster and this is much money you have to do it. 324 00:24:07.240 --> 00:24:11.799 But fans and then it coincides with social media and Twitter and everyone can scream. 325 00:24:11.839 --> 00:24:15.319 I mean, go look at it. You've looked at it. Everyone's 326 00:24:15.319 --> 00:24:18.400 losing their mind today. And fine, I mean I don't care. Go 327 00:24:18.599 --> 00:24:22.519 yell into the ether, you know. Will you discussed just a soft move? 328 00:24:22.200 --> 00:24:27.039 Yeah, but soft and smart can I work together? But I do 329 00:24:27.079 --> 00:24:30.960 think it's weak. I think with the candidates that are available, that certainly 330 00:24:32.000 --> 00:24:36.000 adds a lot to the softness I guess of the move. I think a 331 00:24:36.039 --> 00:24:41.200 more interesting topic is what you said is, like what's what's the ballsiest Jerry 332 00:24:41.279 --> 00:24:48.240 Jones maneuver over the last thirty years, given Steven the team like he wants 333 00:24:48.240 --> 00:24:51.400 to be this wildcat ter, like I'm gonna go find that oil. We're 334 00:24:51.400 --> 00:24:56.119 gonna make We're gonna do things like you you picked a bunch of boring code. 335 00:24:56.119 --> 00:24:59.359 I mean, I guess maybe attempting the Parcels era. Yeah, maybe 336 00:24:59.480 --> 00:25:03.079 that was which was for a stadium like Jerry's gonna have something coming back to 337 00:25:03.160 --> 00:25:07.440 him. For me, what it comes down to is look man to be 338 00:25:07.519 --> 00:25:11.880 a successful team, it starts with the talent. It starts with the talent 339 00:25:12.000 --> 00:25:15.119 on the field. You got to amass the best talent that you can. 340 00:25:15.480 --> 00:25:26.440 And then it's up to management and coaches to design schemes and plays that bring 341 00:25:26.519 --> 00:25:29.759 out the best in your talent, not to try to make them be something 342 00:25:29.799 --> 00:25:33.720 that they're not and be dug in on that to where they're fighting against their 343 00:25:33.759 --> 00:25:40.880 own instincts. And the third thing is to have a calm, cool vibe, 344 00:25:41.079 --> 00:25:45.279 a good culture surrounding them. And I can't say that they don't have 345 00:25:45.359 --> 00:25:49.680 that. They've been very unlucky in the playoffs. They changed in twenty thirteen. 346 00:25:51.519 --> 00:25:55.519 That's when they did the will McLay thing. They change their whole way 347 00:25:55.559 --> 00:25:59.440 they do things, and it's been good, and it's been less Jerry input. 348 00:26:00.079 --> 00:26:03.759 Yeah, which at an age he probably should have lesson put in roster 349 00:26:03.920 --> 00:26:07.880 construction, you know, because he couldn't name we played this game, how 350 00:26:07.880 --> 00:26:12.160 many players could he name? Well, you mean from the draft, I 351 00:26:12.200 --> 00:26:15.440 mean like on the on the roster, Yeah, exactly, like he will 352 00:26:15.640 --> 00:26:18.720 say the wrong name for current players on the roster. But which is also 353 00:26:18.759 --> 00:26:22.359 why it's like anything. It's like we say there's a president, right and 354 00:26:22.359 --> 00:26:23.440 you get you yell at the president. Oh my god, I hate this 355 00:26:23.519 --> 00:26:26.839 president, that president whatever. It's the sea of people behind him there and 356 00:26:26.880 --> 00:26:30.640 the present. Half their job is just take all that, absorb it and 357 00:26:30.680 --> 00:26:34.160 then every you know, the decision makers all work underneath. It's I think 358 00:26:34.160 --> 00:26:37.680 he's kind of in the same boat. Yes, Jerry probably has a big 359 00:26:37.799 --> 00:26:41.440 vote in who our first pick is. Yeah, because he's like me. 360 00:26:41.720 --> 00:26:44.880 When I look at mock drafts, I don't scroll to the fifth and sixth 361 00:26:44.960 --> 00:26:48.440 round all that often and analyze play, you know, like I look at 362 00:26:48.440 --> 00:26:51.960 my team and projected positions and that sort of thing. But it gets a 363 00:26:52.000 --> 00:26:55.240 little more boring when you go back. Oh yeah, I'm the same way. 364 00:26:55.279 --> 00:26:56.200 It's like, ooh, first round, we have picked twenty four, 365 00:26:56.279 --> 00:27:00.720 All right, what do we need? This is fun. I almost think 366 00:27:00.759 --> 00:27:03.920 that's what he's doing. It's not like he is analyzing hundreds and hundreds of 367 00:27:04.160 --> 00:27:08.119 we know that, yeah, but we keep yelling Jerry's the problem. And 368 00:27:08.640 --> 00:27:11.880 now the culture of the whole thing that that there's a there's an issue there. 369 00:27:11.920 --> 00:27:18.039 I think, yeah, but they're changing that. But it's part of 370 00:27:18.079 --> 00:27:19.160 his job, and he kind of loves it. Is for us to point 371 00:27:19.200 --> 00:27:23.799 yell Jerry, well, you don't really see everything that's happening. He's like 372 00:27:23.839 --> 00:27:27.000 the world's best troll. He loves it. He loves that action. He 373 00:27:27.000 --> 00:27:30.279 didn't care. No, he didn't. He likes the only thing that he 374 00:27:30.319 --> 00:27:36.440 cares about. And back when I worked at their flagship, the only things 375 00:27:36.519 --> 00:27:41.079 that he was not okay with are basically saying that he doesn't care if you 376 00:27:41.119 --> 00:27:44.519 say that he didn't care about when he does care. He wants to win. 377 00:27:45.720 --> 00:27:48.680 Does he want to do the proper things? I don't know was and 378 00:27:48.759 --> 00:27:52.519 this might not be the proper thing. Probably not. We already a couple 379 00:27:52.559 --> 00:27:53.880 of callers, we're gonna we're gonna move that because I want to take a 380 00:27:53.880 --> 00:27:57.160 few calls at seven and let the people out their screen a little bit too. 381 00:27:57.799 --> 00:28:03.200 The seven o'clock let us know what you think on this thing, on 382 00:28:03.279 --> 00:28:07.839 the Mike McCarthy thing that's a seven man. Another thing last night it was 383 00:28:07.880 --> 00:28:11.160 on National TV, and it was one of those things where you're like, 384 00:28:11.240 --> 00:28:15.559 well, I can go to bed now. The hell happened last night in 385 00:28:15.680 --> 00:28:17.440 La next to ninety seven won the Free