1 00:00:02,359 --> 00:00:05,719 I had this young man once I was working with who had this horrible temper 2 00:00:06,759 --> 00:00:12,000 and was always throwing clubs, and so we worked really really hard on teaching 3 00:00:12,039 --> 00:00:17,120 him some meditation skills, getting the parasympathetic nervous system a little bit more activated. 4 00:00:17,199 --> 00:00:18,960 And he said, well, what do I do when I get angry 5 00:00:18,960 --> 00:00:22,239 on the golf course? And I said, well, I'd rather you focus 6 00:00:22,280 --> 00:00:25,920 on being calm on the golf course and just make a deal with yourself. 7 00:00:26,079 --> 00:00:29,559 If you decide you want to throw a club when you're done with your round, 8 00:00:29,839 --> 00:00:33,520 go out to the range and throw as many clubs as you want and 9 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:35,640 you'll just feel better. You say, I'll take care of this when I'm 10 00:00:35,679 --> 00:00:38,960 on the range after the round, And he said, but I won't want 11 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:41,600 to do it then, And I was like, and your point, that 12 00:00:41,799 --> 00:00:45,399 doesn't remind me of the chapter I have in zen Golf called the Angry Guy. 13 00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:48,840 Yeah, and the zen master says, what do I do about my 14 00:00:48,880 --> 00:00:52,399 temper? And the zen Master says, show me your temper If I'm not 15 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:56,560 mad right now, he said, well, then if you can't produce it, 16 00:00:56,600 --> 00:01:00,399 then you're not an angry person. You just have a habit of getting 17 00:01:00,399 --> 00:01:03,040 angry. Yes, and it's a matter of changing the habit. Hi right. 18 00:01:03,159 --> 00:01:07,799 This is James Wilson from Richmond, Missouri, and I play at the 19 00:01:07,879 --> 00:01:14,879 Shirkey Golf Club. This is Golf Smarter number nine zero five, The Grandson 20 00:01:15,079 --> 00:01:19,239 and the Zen Doctor. The introduction of doctor Bob Jones, the fourth to 21 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:25,799 Doctor Joe Parron. This is Golf Smarter, sharing stories, tips and insights 22 00:01:25,879 --> 00:01:30,560 from great golf minds to help you lower your score and raise your golf IQ. 23 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:36,120 Here's your host, Fred Green. Welcome back to the Golf Smarter Podcast, 24 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:38,760 Doctor Joe. Nice to be with you. Fred. It's this is 25 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:42,760 gonna be a fun one. I am so excited that you're here because I 26 00:01:42,799 --> 00:01:46,840 also get to say welcome back to the Golf Smarter Podcast, Doctor Bob. 27 00:01:47,120 --> 00:01:49,079 It's great to be with you, Fred. And now here you are with 28 00:01:49,159 --> 00:01:57,239 a paradox not oh god. I was like, wait, oh, it 29 00:01:57,319 --> 00:02:00,560 is a pair of docks. That's pretty good. This is what we're going 30 00:02:00,599 --> 00:02:07,759 to be doing. Said, well, you know the thing that we get 31 00:02:07,759 --> 00:02:12,879 accused of, daddy humor, Right, Daddy humor is nothing more than wordplay. 32 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:15,479 I think it's very clever. Let our kids roll their eyes, but 33 00:02:15,599 --> 00:02:20,919 daddy humor is very clever, and you just proved it. I am working 34 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:25,719 on a book, a book of dad riddles. Are you really an animated 35 00:02:25,719 --> 00:02:30,280 animal? It's gonna be, and all the pictures are gonna be drawn by 36 00:02:30,319 --> 00:02:37,960 your sister. No, I have another another illustrator, and it's like, 37 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:40,800 it's like, what kind of animal will help you get across a river? 38 00:02:42,039 --> 00:02:50,039 It's a giraft see exactly. Okay, I'm gonna just move forward here. 39 00:02:50,439 --> 00:02:55,199 So the reason I have the two of you together is because the last time 40 00:02:57,000 --> 00:03:00,400 Doctor Bob was on, and that was just the week of the Maths, 41 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:05,719 he and I were talking after a recording and I had mentioned to him about 42 00:03:05,719 --> 00:03:08,960 my trip to Japan. And I've said this story many times on the podcast. 43 00:03:09,039 --> 00:03:15,560 My trip to Japan. We meditated with a Zen Buddhist monk for an 44 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:23,960 hour and during the Zen Buddhist conversation, somebody asked him about moving meditation and 45 00:03:23,039 --> 00:03:28,319 he brought up the book Zen Golf by doctor Joe Parent. I'm like, 46 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:30,240 wait a minute. He called it the Zen of Golf, and I went 47 00:03:30,439 --> 00:03:35,759 Zen Golf by Joe Parent because yes, that's the book in Japan and Japanese 48 00:03:35,919 --> 00:03:38,639 is being interpreted. And I was like Oh my god. So I was 49 00:03:38,719 --> 00:03:42,919 telling Bob this story and he's like, oh, I love that book. 50 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:45,199 I've always loved that book. And I'm like, wait, have you ever 51 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:47,520 met doctor Joe? And he's like, no, I haven't. I said, 52 00:03:47,520 --> 00:03:53,280 would you like to? And you, guys, I introduced the two 53 00:03:53,319 --> 00:03:58,240 of you and you seem to hit it off. So tell me about your 54 00:03:58,280 --> 00:04:01,479 first conversation together, and you guys can take it from here. Well, 55 00:04:01,599 --> 00:04:05,520 know, Fred, when you mentioned about my getting together with doctor Joe, 56 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:10,360 we set up. We set up what I think was supposed to have been, 57 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:16,199 what about a fifteen minute phone call on Sunday. Oh I hate when 58 00:04:16,240 --> 00:04:21,920 this happens. Unfortunately, the rest of this story was lost. Doctor Bob 59 00:04:21,959 --> 00:04:27,800 fell off the call, obviously, but to paraphrase, he was saying that 60 00:04:28,839 --> 00:04:33,040 how much of a fan he was of all the Zen Golf books, including 61 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:38,079 one that he couldn't remember the name of the book but commented on its beautiful 62 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:41,600 artwork. So we're going to pick it up. We did get back on 63 00:04:41,639 --> 00:04:45,800 the call, and we're going to pick it up here with doctor Joe responding 64 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:49,959 to what Bob said before we realized that he wasn't being recorded, and then 65 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:54,319 from here on out the rest of the conversations. Intact, sorry about the 66 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:57,959 glitch. Thank you. It's called Golf The Art of the Mental Game, 67 00:04:58,879 --> 00:05:06,519 and it is It is illustrated with drawings by Ravielli, and on the back 68 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:15,720 cover is a picture of your grandfather's follow through because and it's that was the 69 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:23,319 chapter get to the finish, So we used his finish as the as the 70 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:30,240 illustration for that one hundred illustrations and one hundred one page chapters. You know, 71 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:33,279 it's a funny thing about about Ravillium. He did a lot of the 72 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:40,759 illustrations for my grandfather's books, particularly Bobby Jones on Golf, and then later 73 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:46,639 I believe in sixty six or sixty seven, my grandfather asked him to do 74 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:50,399 a book called Bobby Jones on the Basic Golf Swing, which was CPIA drawings 75 00:05:50,399 --> 00:05:59,480 by Ravilli. He was, without question my grandfather's go to artists. But 76 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:03,839 you know, the thing that really I thought was really interesting about our conversation 77 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:13,399 Joe was how in our work with athletes, how much we are working on 78 00:06:14,439 --> 00:06:25,399 getting to the same place but with a slightly different approach. I was really 79 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:30,720 quite captivated by that. When we spoke, I talked about that. When 80 00:06:30,759 --> 00:06:33,680 I did the introduction to zen Golf, I said, you know, sports 81 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:40,279 psychologists are trying to get everybody to the same place, to have a focused 82 00:06:40,319 --> 00:06:46,920 mind, to be more in the present, to have positive self talk, 83 00:06:46,959 --> 00:06:51,079 and a lot of other things. And what I tried to do in zen 84 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:59,000 Goolf to separate myself was to talk about the path to get there. I 85 00:06:59,120 --> 00:07:06,319 remember when ones of my players said he'd worked with another sports psychologist and the 86 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:11,000 guy said, I get it, I get it. I'm being way too 87 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:15,079 hard on myself. What should I do? And he said the guy leaned 88 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:19,000 in and said to him, don't be And he said, what am I 89 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:24,600 supposed to do with that? Just don't So I want to give a path 90 00:07:24,759 --> 00:07:30,079 from hard to yourself, a pathway from there too. Don't be that that 91 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:35,120 you can take the steps and train and find the way to get from where 92 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:41,120 you are to where you want to be. Right. And it's funny you 93 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:44,240 mentioned that, because you know, one of the things that I always like 94 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:49,800 to tell the clients that I work with is that the brain does not know 95 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:55,879 how to do a negative. So if you tell them, if you tell 96 00:07:55,959 --> 00:08:00,680 somebody, don't do something, well, actually, the very thing you have 97 00:08:00,759 --> 00:08:05,959 to do is you have to conceptualize in your mind what it is that you 98 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:11,720 don't want to do before you don't do it. And the problem is that 99 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:16,000 just puts you in this feedback loop that is just awful. I think I 100 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:20,680 don't know that. I don't know that if I've ever told anybody to not 101 00:08:22,079 --> 00:08:24,360 do something, what I often try to get them to do is to figure 102 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:30,839 out what is it that you want and then kind of go from there. 103 00:08:31,519 --> 00:08:37,399 And I think I think the Zen approach or the approach you take Joe just 104 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:43,120 is so so good at helping people get kind of a thirty thousand foot view 105 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:50,919 of what's what all is going on? You know, as I said, 106 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:54,080 I kind of come at this slightly differently. I mean, like I had 107 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:58,639 this young man once I was working with who had this horrible temper and was 108 00:08:58,679 --> 00:09:03,240 always throwing clubs, and so we worked really really hard on teaching him some 109 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:09,639 meditation skills, getting the parasympathetic nervous system a little bit more activated. And 110 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:11,519 he said, well, what do I do when I get angry on the 111 00:09:11,559 --> 00:09:15,440 golf course? And I said, well, I'd rather you focus on being 112 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:18,240 calm on the golf course and just make a deal with yourself. If you 113 00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:22,399 decide you want to throw a club when you're done with your round, go 114 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:26,799 out to the range and throw as many clubs as you want and you'll just 115 00:09:26,799 --> 00:09:28,720 feel better. You say, I'll take care of this when I'm on the 116 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:33,639 range after the round, and he said, but I won't want to do 117 00:09:33,679 --> 00:09:39,360 it then, And I was like, and your point, that doesn't remind 118 00:09:39,399 --> 00:09:43,600 me of the chapter I have in zen Golf called the Angry Guy, and 119 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:46,840 yeah, the zen Masters. He says, what do I do about my 120 00:09:46,919 --> 00:09:50,240 temper? And the zen Master says, well, show me, show me 121 00:09:50,279 --> 00:09:54,399 your temper. He said, I'm not mad right now. He said, 122 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:58,919 well, then if you can't produce it, then you're not an angry guy. 123 00:09:58,200 --> 00:10:03,080 You're not an angry person. You just have a habit of getting angry, 124 00:10:03,399 --> 00:10:07,559 and it's a matter of changing changing the habit. You know, when 125 00:10:07,919 --> 00:10:15,120 you said that, you told them to do it afterwards. I use a 126 00:10:15,159 --> 00:10:20,200 technique using the locker room where if somebody's got a lot on their mind from 127 00:10:20,279 --> 00:10:24,200 that's outside of golf, and they say, well, how I'm playing in 128 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:28,039 a tournament, how do I what do I do? And I actually actually 129 00:10:28,039 --> 00:10:33,000 gave this to Christy Kerr and a number of other golfers. I said, 130 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:39,000 get a little tupperware container, a little little storage container with a lid, 131 00:10:39,240 --> 00:10:45,840 and before you go out, take whatever thoughts you have in mind that you 132 00:10:45,879 --> 00:10:48,960 don't want to be thinking on the golf course and say, I'm putting you 133 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:56,440 in this container. Wait for me. You're not going to help me when 134 00:10:56,480 --> 00:10:58,480 I'm on the golf course and I can't do anything about you when I'm on 135 00:10:58,519 --> 00:11:03,480 the golf course. I promise I'll take care of you when I get done, 136 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:05,399 and you wait for me in the locker room and put the lid on 137 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:07,960 and put it in the locker or in your car if you don't have a 138 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:13,399 locker. And then if the thought shows up on the golf course to say 139 00:11:13,679 --> 00:11:20,039 what are you doing here? I told you stay in the container. I 140 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:22,080 promise I'll take care of you. You're not going to help me out here, 141 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:24,879 and I can't do anything about you out here. I promise I'll take 142 00:11:24,919 --> 00:11:30,960 care of you when I'm done. And then let it go, so it's 143 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:37,720 a it's an after the round promise that your your your suggestion reminded me of 144 00:11:39,039 --> 00:11:45,440 well and Joe, I plan on stealing that without attribution, so that is 145 00:11:45,519 --> 00:11:50,320 now in my Repertolcker. That's why I brought you guys together in the first 146 00:11:50,399 --> 00:11:54,480 place. It's because I knew that you'd have a lot to share. This 147 00:11:54,559 --> 00:12:00,399 was what our conversation was like, back and forth like this. So I 148 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:07,080 don't remember if I shared this with you, Bob. When I was working 149 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:15,679 on Zen golf and Zen putting, and I quoted your your grandfather from those 150 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:18,759 books that you mentioned, and I wanted to share a couple of them with 151 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:26,320 you. One is in a chapter called what is Your Target? And I'll 152 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:31,600 just read this little passage. The Great Champion Bobby Jones consider, Oh, 153 00:12:31,639 --> 00:12:35,879 when our intention is to avoid embarrassment or protect against making mistakes, we make 154 00:12:35,919 --> 00:12:39,919 what we think is a careful swing and try to guide the shot where we 155 00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:43,480 wanted to go. This prevents us from making a free, full swing and 156 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:48,840 usually produces a poor shot. The Great Champion Bobby Jones considered this his most 157 00:12:48,879 --> 00:12:52,480 serious weakness. He found that when he was comfortably ahead in a tournament, 158 00:12:54,039 --> 00:12:58,399 he began to fear the embarrassment of not holding his lead. He would try 159 00:12:58,399 --> 00:13:01,679 to control his swing to avoid making a mistake. Instead of picking a target, 160 00:13:01,720 --> 00:13:05,399 he focused on avoiding hazards. He felt that he would have won far 161 00:13:05,519 --> 00:13:11,159 more tournaments and finished more easily the ones he did when had he focused on 162 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:18,480 his targets as much when leading as when chasing m So that yeah, really, 163 00:13:18,799 --> 00:13:20,960 and you can, I mean, you can see that any any tournament 164 00:13:22,039 --> 00:13:26,879 that you that you watch, the other one is called beware of trying for 165 00:13:26,919 --> 00:13:31,440 a few extra yards, And that comes right out of his quote. Bobby 166 00:13:31,519 --> 00:13:37,360 Jones said, trying for a few extra yards at the last moment is the 167 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:41,799 cause of most of the mistakes that happened on the tea. Could well, 168 00:13:43,519 --> 00:13:46,679 it's kind of it's kind of hard to disagree with a guy that won something 169 00:13:46,799 --> 00:13:52,399 like that, either finished first or second in eighty percent of the tournaments that 170 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:56,200 he entered between nineteen twenty three and nineteen thirty. So, you know, 171 00:13:56,240 --> 00:14:01,639 and it's funny you brought that up on that first point as we're recording this. 172 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:05,879 Just last weekend was the hundredth anniversary of my grandfather's first victory in the 173 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:11,200 United States Open, which was contested at Inwood Country Club outside of outside of 174 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:18,519 New York City, outside of Manhattan, and in that tournament, he finished 175 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:26,039 the last three holes bogey bogeye double bogie. Actually sees me bogee double bogie 176 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:30,960 bogie and blew the lead and tied Bobby Crookshank. And when people were still 177 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:33,159 congratulating him on winning the championship, he said, no, no, no, 178 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:37,080 I finished like a yellow dog. And the next day, in the 179 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:43,240 playoff, rather than guiding the shot, as you mentioned, he came to 180 00:14:43,279 --> 00:14:46,159 the eighteenth hole and he put it into the right ruff. He had about 181 00:14:46,159 --> 00:14:48,440 one hundred and ninety yards to the green in about a fifteen mile an hour 182 00:14:48,519 --> 00:14:52,120 wind in his face. And he got over there and Crookshank had been in 183 00:14:52,159 --> 00:14:56,960 the left ruff and had to lay up, and he's looking at this shot 184 00:14:58,039 --> 00:15:01,960 in the right ruff and he's on hard pan. And the people who witnessed 185 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:07,919 it said he wasted no time, reached into his bag, got a two 186 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:13,360 iron, and just hit a tremendous shot, knocking at six feet from the 187 00:15:13,440 --> 00:15:20,440 hole and winning his first open. And I find that really fascinating because in 188 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:28,559 that final round he finished terribly because he was trying to do he was trying 189 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:33,840 to protect something rather than continue to build it. And then in the playoff 190 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:41,159 when he had the opportunity, he acted quickly and decisively and hit a career 191 00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:45,559 shot, which had he not made the shot, probably would have been the 192 00:15:45,679 --> 00:15:52,480 end of his competitive career. So yeah, very very timely. So that 193 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:58,039 that's exactly That's exactly it. And I was thinking about that. Another quote 194 00:15:58,080 --> 00:16:07,039 from him that I use, um called in telling people to focus on their 195 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:15,679 personal part to readjust party to their to their handicap and so um he's Bobby 196 00:16:15,759 --> 00:16:23,000 Jones said he started winning his matches when he stopped playing against the other guy 197 00:16:23,320 --> 00:16:30,000 and started playing against old man par correct. I vary that just a little 198 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:33,399 bit, Joe, And I'll tell you what I do. I always have 199 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:40,039 people play against their average score because a personal par is actually going to be 200 00:16:40,039 --> 00:16:44,360 based if they base it off their handicap will be based at like ninety or 201 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:51,320 ninety five percent of the differentials of the best ten of twenty. So I 202 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:53,039 need to tell people, I said, take what your average score is and 203 00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:59,519 set that as your target. I love it people, just it just makes 204 00:16:59,519 --> 00:17:03,440 people really relax a lot more. Yeah, I've had this conversation recently talking 205 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:10,559 about how the handicap is really represents your potential, not what kind of golfer 206 00:17:10,599 --> 00:17:12,079 you are. I mean, you've had some good rounds and it's going to 207 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:15,119 look at that, but when it comes to the gambling part, taking your 208 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:18,839 potential, it makes it a different beast. All right, we're going to 209 00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:29,200 take a time out. We're gonna pick this up right after this, all 210 00:17:29,279 --> 00:17:33,640 right, Joe, So what you know the personal par thing? I always 211 00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:37,119 thought I made that up, but no, I was obviously quoting you. 212 00:17:37,519 --> 00:17:42,599 But personal par Just play to that and stop beating yourself up because par is 213 00:17:42,680 --> 00:17:49,039 fascist. But what well? I liked it. I liked what Bob said 214 00:17:49,039 --> 00:17:56,640 about the handicap. And when people are frustrated about not playing to their handicap, 215 00:17:56,680 --> 00:18:00,680 I explained to them that the way that it's set up is that because 216 00:18:00,759 --> 00:18:07,400 it's a percentage of your lowest of the average of your lowest ten differentials, 217 00:18:07,759 --> 00:18:11,599 so you even throw out your high scores on some of the holes, you're 218 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:15,759 only going to do that one out of four or five rounds. So I 219 00:18:15,839 --> 00:18:19,960 say, you know, if I told you about this sport that I want 220 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:25,759 you to try, it costs a lot of money, it takes a lot 221 00:18:25,799 --> 00:18:29,000 of time, and you're only going to enjoy it one out of every four 222 00:18:29,079 --> 00:18:32,359 or five times you do it. Are you interested? They said, I 223 00:18:32,359 --> 00:18:36,400 wouldn't do that, I said, but that's why. But if you if 224 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:41,720 you're measuring a good or an enjoyable round based on your handicap, so let 225 00:18:41,799 --> 00:18:49,799 that go. And I do have people actually change their scorecard and if you 226 00:18:52,079 --> 00:18:56,279 if your average score is ninety, then you don't have any part threes on 227 00:18:56,359 --> 00:19:00,559 your scorecard. There are four is, fives and sixes, and for some 228 00:19:00,759 --> 00:19:07,039 people with higher handicaps there you get a par seven on those. I had 229 00:19:07,079 --> 00:19:15,079 one student and he had an okay drive and then kind of a mediocre second 230 00:19:15,079 --> 00:19:17,480 shot and kind of topped his third one, and they said, oh, 231 00:19:17,559 --> 00:19:18,960 that's too bad, you didn't get to the greener regulation. He said, 232 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:22,440 no, I have two more shots to get to the greener regulation. This 233 00:19:22,519 --> 00:19:27,079 is a par seven for me. And he was just having the best time 234 00:19:27,680 --> 00:19:33,640 compared to the usual beating himself up when he doesn't match the score of a 235 00:19:33,759 --> 00:19:38,680 scratch golfer. Wonderful story. So as we are recording this, today is 236 00:19:38,759 --> 00:19:47,160 day two of the twenty twenty three Open Championship at Royal Liverpool and yesterday, 237 00:19:48,039 --> 00:19:53,160 at the end of round one, tied for the lead was an amateur from 238 00:19:53,599 --> 00:20:00,799 South Africa, Christo Lamprecht, who was at minus five and ended up being 239 00:20:00,799 --> 00:20:04,400 tied with Tommy Fleetwood for the round that day. He I've just looked up 240 00:20:04,519 --> 00:20:07,960 during our last break. I just looked up. He's just finished his second 241 00:20:08,079 --> 00:20:15,599 round and is at plus three. He dropped to tied for sixty eighth and 242 00:20:15,319 --> 00:20:19,359 is on the cut line. Plus three is the cut line, so he 243 00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:26,000 might make it. But it made me question and look up. When was 244 00:20:26,039 --> 00:20:33,279 the last time an amateur won the Open Championship And it happened to be at 245 00:20:33,279 --> 00:20:40,480 the same golf course, Royal Liverpool, nineteen thirty Bob, your grandfather, 246 00:20:41,079 --> 00:20:45,279 Yep, that's correct. It was the second leg of the Grand Slam. 247 00:20:45,319 --> 00:20:48,599 So please, that's right. To carry on from here, tell us history 248 00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:55,599 stories. We've talked about the Masters. He talked about your grandfather the Masters. 249 00:20:55,599 --> 00:20:59,680 Now to talk about the Open Championship. Well, you know, my 250 00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:03,839 grand father's history in the Open, I think is a tremendous psychological study. 251 00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:11,200 He won it three times and played in it four times. First time he 252 00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:14,839 played in it, he was nineteen years old. It was nineteen twenty one 253 00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:19,720 and it was at the Old Course in Saint Andrew's and after starting out reasonably 254 00:21:19,759 --> 00:21:25,440 well in the first two rounds, he was convinced he had Saint Andrew's by 255 00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:29,359 the tail. And then the wind changed off the North Sea, and he 256 00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:32,960 went out and shot forty six on the front nine, double bogee number ten, 257 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:37,279 and then on number eleven hit it in the bunker, and four shots 258 00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:41,319 later was still in the bunker. And at that point he put his ball 259 00:21:41,319 --> 00:21:45,559 in his pocket and withdrew from the tournament. He continued to play in and 260 00:21:45,599 --> 00:21:48,200 what he discovered was had he finished out the tournament, he would have tied 261 00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:56,279 for third, even with a six on the eleventh hole. But he learned 262 00:21:56,319 --> 00:21:59,799 from that, and so when he came back. When he came back, 263 00:21:59,839 --> 00:22:03,480 he came back and wanted at Litham where a Litham and Saint Anne's in nineteen 264 00:22:03,519 --> 00:22:07,240 twenty six, And I find it funny he went to lunch between the third 265 00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:10,400 and fourth rounds. Back then they played both rounds on the last day, 266 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:14,319 and when he came back to the course to go in, he had forgotten 267 00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:18,079 his contestants badge and he had to pay five pounds or two pounds to get 268 00:22:18,079 --> 00:22:22,279 back into the golf course to go play his final round. Now, I 269 00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:29,039 suspect that what happened was that the person at the gate knew exactly who he 270 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:33,640 was, but remembered nineteen twenty one and was going to just extract a pound 271 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:37,160 to flesh out of him before he got back in. But he won in 272 00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:41,160 twenty six and then came back. Normally he would only go over when the 273 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:47,319 Walker Cup would be overseas because of the cost of playing and when he went 274 00:22:47,319 --> 00:22:49,960 back over, and he went back over at his own expense in twenty seven 275 00:22:51,039 --> 00:22:53,599 to win at Saint Andrew's, and by then all was forgiven, and the 276 00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:59,680 San Andreans lifted him up on their shoulders to carry him off after he won 277 00:22:59,759 --> 00:23:03,920 in the seventy second hole. By the time he came to Hoylake, it 278 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:08,319 was pretty much a foregone conclusion that he was probably going to take that tournament. 279 00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:15,480 He had won the Amateur just weeks before at i think three weeks before 280 00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:22,720 at Saint Andrew's, and so when he got the victory at Hoylake and he 281 00:23:22,799 --> 00:23:27,200 returned back to New York, he received his second ticker tape parade, which 282 00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:33,519 prompted Mayor Jimmy Walker to introduce him, as he said, never could it 283 00:23:33,599 --> 00:23:38,599 be foreseen that this would bring together two total polar opposites, namely that the 284 00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:45,960 world's greatest golfer would be introduced by the world's worst golfer. And that's that. 285 00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:49,799 That was sort of the story of his British opens. He only got 286 00:23:49,799 --> 00:23:53,759 back to Saint Andrew's again in nineteen thirty six, and that was when he 287 00:23:53,799 --> 00:24:00,599 was on the way to the Olympics in Berlin, and he a round of 288 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:03,440 golf there, And when he showed up on the first tea, thinking it 289 00:24:03,519 --> 00:24:07,279 was just going to be this anonymous game, there were like two hundred people 290 00:24:07,319 --> 00:24:11,839 waiting on the first tea. By the time he got to the far end 291 00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:17,799 of the golf course, all the shopkeepers had put signs in their windows that 292 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:22,599 said closed. Bobby's back, and the entire town finished the round with him. 293 00:24:23,039 --> 00:24:26,079 He said he'd never he hadn't played around, like he hadn't played golf 294 00:24:26,079 --> 00:24:30,880 in weeks. He shot thirty two going out and forty coming back for even 295 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:34,680 par seventy two. But you know, the emotion of that was such that 296 00:24:34,759 --> 00:24:40,799 he was never really able to talk about it. He was never really able 297 00:24:40,839 --> 00:24:42,799 to talk about it again. He said, the love that he felt from 298 00:24:42,839 --> 00:24:48,200 that city, and I remember when I was first there in two thousand and 299 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:55,599 two thousand and two for his centennial of his birth. And I went to 300 00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:59,799 a bookstore and I just had We were just talking and I picked out a 301 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:03,200 an old golf book that I'd always wanted, and the lady was saw my 302 00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:07,319 credit card and she said, my gosh, you're Robert T. Jones the 303 00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:08,960 fourth or you related to Bobby, And I said, this is my grandfather. 304 00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:12,160 Somebody later said to me, they said, well, gosh, did 305 00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:15,680 they give you the book for free? I said, no, she was 306 00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:18,079 a Scott. Of course she took my money. Are you kidding me? 307 00:25:21,039 --> 00:25:25,559 But it's a it's a it's a it's an amazing Um, it's an amazing 308 00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:30,480 legacy that he still has um this many years and that far away. That's 309 00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:37,680 remarkable. M. Yeah, that's truly remarkable. And um, so how 310 00:25:37,759 --> 00:25:44,279 much of your vast historical knowledge is based on your research and how much of 311 00:25:44,319 --> 00:25:48,359 it is family lore they is passed around from person to person. I'd say 312 00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:52,920 about seventy thirty, okay, um, And the and the percentage of family 313 00:25:53,000 --> 00:26:00,480 lure drops as time goes on, because what I'm finding out is that many 314 00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:06,440 of the myths that are ascribed to my grandfather are just that they are myths, 315 00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:14,759 and I think that when we focus on that myth us, we really 316 00:26:14,799 --> 00:26:19,200 lose sight of who the man really was and what it was that he accomplished. 317 00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:23,799 And you know, in a sense, that does two things. At 318 00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:30,000 least, this is my thought. It deprives us of seeing who this man 319 00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:36,680 really was. And the second thing it does is it kind of lets us 320 00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:42,640 off the hook from doing what we can to be heroes in those areas of 321 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:49,000 life in which we find ourselves. And I think sometimes we like our heroes 322 00:26:49,079 --> 00:26:56,759 to be four feet off the ground because then we have no responsibilities at least 323 00:26:56,759 --> 00:27:00,920 to try to equal that. And I think that's I think that's an unfortunate 324 00:27:02,039 --> 00:27:07,559 but necessary human tendency. So, oh, that was really well said. 325 00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:15,279 I think that that's that's a great it's a great insight about how we are 326 00:27:15,319 --> 00:27:21,640 and how we regard our heroes, um, you know, and and putting 327 00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:26,039 them the word They came to my mind when you said four feet off the 328 00:27:26,079 --> 00:27:33,359 ground was pedestal, and that's exactly it, and and that I really like 329 00:27:33,519 --> 00:27:37,880 your insight about that. It separates us from taking responsibility. Now, the 330 00:27:38,319 --> 00:27:45,920 interesting thing is, um, what some people do is they mistake emulate for 331 00:27:45,519 --> 00:27:52,880 uh for and try to imitate, and so to try to imitate is really 332 00:27:53,160 --> 00:28:02,799 an expression of false confidence. But to try to emulate is to try to 333 00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:11,160 move from what I call conditional confidence to unconditional confidence and not get caught in 334 00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:18,960 false confidence. So I think that that's a really something, really really profound 335 00:28:18,079 --> 00:28:22,759 and helpful that you pointed out. Fred, Do you mind if I do 336 00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:26,400 the interview for one second? No, not at all, You can't, 337 00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:32,480 Joe, could you could you flesh that out just a little bit more? 338 00:28:33,279 --> 00:28:37,279 That just I was so kind of taken by what you said that I just 339 00:28:37,759 --> 00:28:41,839 I felt like there was even more to it. But I will be the 340 00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:47,880 traffic cop and I will say we'll be back right after this, and Joe, 341 00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:56,359 you can answer right after this. All right, Joe, I'm sorry 342 00:28:56,359 --> 00:29:00,599 to interrupt. Let's get now, let's go to your answer. Well, 343 00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:04,119 I think everybody knows and it's pretty clear what false confidence is, and that 344 00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:14,319 absolutely doesn't hold up, and it's it becomes the you know, the emperor 345 00:29:14,359 --> 00:29:19,799 without clothes. So the difference that you were talking about is between conditional and 346 00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:29,799 unconditional confidence, and conditional confidence is believing in what you can do if you've 347 00:29:29,799 --> 00:29:33,519 been successful recently, you know, and so well, I've been playing well 348 00:29:33,559 --> 00:29:37,200 and I feel confident, but as soon as I have a bad hole, 349 00:29:37,279 --> 00:29:41,279 I lose all my confidence. Well, if you lose it, then that 350 00:29:41,319 --> 00:29:48,359 means it was conditional. It was confidence conditional on playing well, and as 351 00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:51,920 soon as you stop playing well, you lose it. So that really is 352 00:29:52,839 --> 00:29:57,319 sets you up for failure in a certain way. Unconditional confidence is that you 353 00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:07,640 believe in yourself regardless of recent performances. So you hear players say you know 354 00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:11,440 that, well, you know, I haven't made the cut the last two 355 00:30:11,519 --> 00:30:17,880 tournaments, but I'm I'm really close. I'm really close. And they have 356 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:22,480 unconditional confidence in their ability to find their game again and come back to it. 357 00:30:22,799 --> 00:30:29,279 And I actually even separate. Even have two aspects to unconditional confidence. 358 00:30:29,359 --> 00:30:34,519 One is relative unconditional confidence, which is unconditional confidence in your abilities in a 359 00:30:34,599 --> 00:30:42,599 certain field. Absolute unconditional confidence is believing in yourself no matter what it is 360 00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:47,799 that you're doing. That doesn't mean that you can suddenly be an expert in 361 00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:52,480 some other field, but that you believe in yourself in whatever you're engaged in, 362 00:30:52,839 --> 00:30:56,039 and you have confidence that you will handle yourself the best you possibly can 363 00:30:56,240 --> 00:31:04,960 in that situation. That's wow. Yeah. Well it's interesting because just tomorrow 364 00:31:06,319 --> 00:31:11,480 as we're recording this, the Steph Curry documentary is coming out called Underrated, 365 00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:15,000 And one of the things that he talked about, and here's somebody who's succeeded 366 00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:21,480 just recently in golf, but has succeeded beyond all measure in the NBA, 367 00:31:21,559 --> 00:31:26,559 and he talked about his supreme self confidence, the amount of confidence he has 368 00:31:26,599 --> 00:31:32,119 in hisself knowing that he can achieve these things. He's talked about that openly. 369 00:31:32,279 --> 00:31:37,440 So you know, it doesn't matter if he didn't have a good shooting 370 00:31:37,519 --> 00:31:42,559 day one day the next, you know, and if he's not playing, 371 00:31:42,559 --> 00:31:48,880 if he's not hitting his shots, he starts being the best assist person, 372 00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:53,480 the best passer, and so finding a way to get the most out of 373 00:31:53,559 --> 00:31:57,680 whatever you brought that day. And that's what I want golfers to do as 374 00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:01,400 well. You know, sometimes you might be struggling a little with the driver, 375 00:32:01,599 --> 00:32:06,480 so put the ball in play, which, by the way, if 376 00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:08,759 we're talking about history, he was what they called the play the club you 377 00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:13,880 used on the tea in the old days in golf, they didn't call it 378 00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:16,400 a driver. They called it the play club because its job was to put 379 00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:21,920 the ball in play and then find your way to get around the golf course. 380 00:32:22,079 --> 00:32:27,119 And I want to make sure that we fit. In one story I 381 00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:34,279 was on, I was at the pro am that's out in Lakinta in Palm 382 00:32:34,359 --> 00:32:39,119 Desert, in that area. I don't remember the name that it's called now, 383 00:32:40,319 --> 00:32:45,039 but I was working with Tim Petrovic, who was a winner on the 384 00:32:45,039 --> 00:32:50,079 PGA Tour and now contends regularly on the Champions Tour. And he's a kind 385 00:32:50,119 --> 00:32:52,319 of a history buff where he's getting ready for his round and we're on the 386 00:32:52,319 --> 00:32:55,680 putting green. He says, what do you got for me? And he 387 00:32:55,799 --> 00:32:59,200 was playing well, he just said what do you got for me? And 388 00:32:59,279 --> 00:33:02,920 I I channeled your grandfather, a channel Bobby Jones, and I said, 389 00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:07,079 well, I know your history book, because because Tim would like to say, 390 00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:12,119 well, there's golf, and there's tournament, golf, Tuna, M 391 00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:17,559 I nt tournament tournament, which is George and for tournament. And so I 392 00:33:17,599 --> 00:33:21,240 said, well, I know you're a big fan of Bobby Jones, so 393 00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:23,759 let me give you two of his putting advices. In putting one, he 394 00:33:23,799 --> 00:33:28,400 said, taking more than ten seconds to read a putt is a waste of 395 00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:35,759 time, and the other is borrow as much as you can, meaning play 396 00:33:35,759 --> 00:33:38,759 as much break as you can, because as soon as the ball rolls below 397 00:33:38,839 --> 00:33:45,240 that hole below, it just keeps going further and further from that precious cup. 398 00:33:45,519 --> 00:33:50,880 And I remember that. So I watched. Now he was playing with 399 00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:53,240 amateurs, so he got to see a lot and got some time to just 400 00:33:53,319 --> 00:33:58,480 walk around the green. But when it came to time for his putt, 401 00:33:58,839 --> 00:34:01,160 he stood behind it and lean back and said, yeah, I think I 402 00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:08,360 got it. Walked up boom, twenty one puts, no chip, twenty 403 00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:15,400 one puts for the round. Yeah. You know, I had an experience 404 00:34:15,639 --> 00:34:19,280 personally similar to that. I used to be one of those that I would 405 00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:23,000 take, especially on short shots. I would take practice stroke after practice stroke 406 00:34:23,079 --> 00:34:25,559 after practice stroke. I was one of these guys. I mean it was 407 00:34:25,599 --> 00:34:29,880 it was painful to watch. And I had this one little chip shot at 408 00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:31,639 a golf course one time and I just thought, well, I'm going to 409 00:34:31,679 --> 00:34:34,960 make sure I just get this just right. And I think I took like 410 00:34:35,079 --> 00:34:39,840 six practice strokes and then I proceeded to jam it like three three inches fat 411 00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:45,400 move the ball about an inch and a half and I thought I could have 412 00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:47,320 just done that, just walking up to it and hitting it. So that's 413 00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:52,440 what I decided to do. And do you know for the entire rest of 414 00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:55,000 the day, where whenever I was just around the green, I would just 415 00:34:55,079 --> 00:35:00,280 get up and hit it. I don't think I had any shot where I 416 00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:02,280 missed a green where on a chip shot I wasn't like a foot and a 417 00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:06,679 half from the hole. You know, you can get to a point, 418 00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:10,559 or at least I can, and several of the folks I've worked with overtime 419 00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:19,079 I have discovered this. You can get to a point where you overthink your 420 00:35:19,199 --> 00:35:29,559 body's ability to really do something. And nowhere is that more obvious than when 421 00:35:29,599 --> 00:35:34,079 you're on the green or around a green. That whole thing about ten seconds 422 00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:37,920 is so right, because how many times have as any golfer on the planet 423 00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:43,800 stood over a put and stood behind it and looked at it. And the 424 00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:49,559 longer you take, the more you will see breaks that aren't even there. 425 00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:54,559 They just aren't there, absolutely. And you know, I've actually been able 426 00:35:54,599 --> 00:36:01,480 to tell my players. I said, I could tell um, based on 427 00:36:01,559 --> 00:36:05,760 how long you took over the ball, how well the shot was going to 428 00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:09,119 come out. And it's a pretty high correlation. So I wouldn't say this 429 00:36:09,159 --> 00:36:13,440 with my students, but I say when I'm playing with my friends, when 430 00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:15,480 they missed one like that, I said, you could have hit that bad 431 00:36:15,519 --> 00:36:21,880 a shot in a lot less time, and I get a dirty look. 432 00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:29,119 But I can't help on those. But I have a special technique for around 433 00:36:29,199 --> 00:36:34,320 the greens that I developed in a similar way. I was just playing myself 434 00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:38,880 on a course and I had about forty yards in and I made my nice 435 00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:45,679 little practice swings and proceeded to blade it over the green with the actual shot, 436 00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:47,280 and I said, if I had just hit that with my practice swing, 437 00:36:47,599 --> 00:36:51,800 it would have been fine. So I dropped another ball and I said, 438 00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:53,480 I'm going to pretend that there's no ball here, and I'm just going 439 00:36:53,519 --> 00:37:00,760 to make a practice swing and put it to about three feet. I then 440 00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:02,159 walked to the other side of the green where my ball was and it was 441 00:37:02,199 --> 00:37:07,000 in a fluffy, downhill, tricky little lie to a downhill roll, and 442 00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:08,559 I said, I'm going to do the same thing. And I did take 443 00:37:08,599 --> 00:37:13,119 a couple of practice swings through that grass, and I said that's the one. 444 00:37:13,559 --> 00:37:15,559 And then I walked up and I said, just one more practice swing 445 00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:20,400 poomp rolled down to a foot. I said, okay, that's it. 446 00:37:20,559 --> 00:37:24,079 So what I teach my golfers is find a patch of grass that's similar to 447 00:37:24,119 --> 00:37:29,360 the lie that your ball is in, make a swing as if there is 448 00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:32,119 a ball there, and hold your finish until you get to the one where 449 00:37:32,119 --> 00:37:36,719 you say, ah, that's the one. Then walk up, then address 450 00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:40,719 the ball. Now, pretend the ball is not there and it's invisible, 451 00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:45,400 and just say one more, just like that through the grass. And you 452 00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:50,480 can even say one more practice swing through the grass. And if they do 453 00:37:50,519 --> 00:37:53,239 it really well, they're surprised that a ball took off, but it comes 454 00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:58,199 out so much softer and so much better. So you're practice sing as if 455 00:37:58,199 --> 00:38:00,320 there is a ball there. You're real swing as if there isn't a ball 456 00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:05,480 there. Oh my god. And how many times. And I know that 457 00:38:05,559 --> 00:38:09,280 every person who's listening to this podcast is saying, oh my god, that's 458 00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:14,360 happened to me. On the golf course where it's either me or someone I've 459 00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:17,400 played with, they're just so frustrated. They're like, Okay, I quit 460 00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:21,400 right, I just don't. I'm just going to finish this and I got 461 00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:22,880 to get out of here, you know, I hate this game. I'm 462 00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:27,119 never going to play again and then have the best hole of their life because 463 00:38:27,159 --> 00:38:30,039 they just kind of let it all go, or they make a fifty foot 464 00:38:30,079 --> 00:38:36,199 putt after three putting seven times that round happens every time. We're going to 465 00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:39,239 take one more break. And this leads into a topic that I'm really excited 466 00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:44,199 about bringing up to both of you, and we'll do that right after this. 467 00:38:44,199 --> 00:38:46,880 This week on golf Smart to Mulligan's is the first of two conversations with 468 00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:52,800 Jeff Mangum of the Putting Zone dot Com. In the first episode, we 469 00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:58,760 talk about a wide variety of topics relevant to putting, including getting started for 470 00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:02,440 adults and even getting your kids into putting. One thing kids want to do 471 00:39:02,559 --> 00:39:07,199 is they want to have turns competing, So you got to set up some 472 00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:09,599 sort of goal for them. One of my favorites is to perch a golf 473 00:39:09,639 --> 00:39:14,840 ball on the edge of a cup and then back off fifteen twenty thirty feet 474 00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:16,400 and say, okay, here's three golf balls. You got three chances to 475 00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:20,960 bump that golf ball over into the hole. That does a couple of things 476 00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:24,480 brain wise, but fundamentally, what it does is it gives a kid a 477 00:39:24,599 --> 00:39:30,079 non rule based game to play. They really get into that. They go 478 00:39:30,079 --> 00:39:32,960 ahead and take their turn, and maybe they get close and miss and you 479 00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:36,320 say, okay, my turn, and you push them out of the way 480 00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:38,000 and you take your three balls and the second one you bump it over in 481 00:39:38,039 --> 00:39:40,519 the hole and you laugh at them and say I got mine, and they'll 482 00:39:40,559 --> 00:39:43,800 push you out of the way and say okay, my turn again, and 483 00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:45,679 so they'll put three balls down. Then they'll do better, and so you 484 00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:51,320 get going that way. You just make the green a playground where kids are 485 00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:53,920 not penalized for any kind of misses or anything. They just get turned after 486 00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:58,039 turn after turn and they have all the fun they want. That's Golf Smarter 487 00:39:58,199 --> 00:40:02,360 Mulligan's episode two hundred twenty one featuring Jeff Mangum of the Putting Zone dot Com 488 00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:07,880 in an episode we call great Putting is a Science and a Skill. Next 489 00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:13,280 week we'll get another full hour with Jeff in part two. Please subscribe for 490 00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:17,519 free to both of our golf podcasts, Golf Smarter on Tuesday and our Sisters 491 00:40:17,559 --> 00:40:22,519 show that revisits the best of the Golf Smarter podcast that's just no longer available 492 00:40:22,559 --> 00:40:28,360 that we call Golf Smarter Mulligans and it's released every Friday. From wherever you're 493 00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:36,760 listening right now, you know what Fred was talking about. I haven't I 494 00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:40,920 put in the book, and that is people try more and more different things, 495 00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:45,360 and try lots of different things, and again and again, and finally 496 00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:49,440 about the sixteenth hole they say, I give up. I don't I don't 497 00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:52,039 care anywhere, and they just get up and whack it and then they had 498 00:40:52,599 --> 00:40:55,519 a good shot. And I student the other day said I just struggle to 499 00:40:55,559 --> 00:40:59,599 the tournament with my setup and this, that and the other thing. And 500 00:40:59,639 --> 00:41:02,199 I said, um, what'd you do on this around the seventeenth hold? 501 00:41:02,199 --> 00:41:06,639 He said, well, actually I just gave up trying on all that stuff, 502 00:41:06,679 --> 00:41:08,599 and I walked striped one down the middle. I said, And now 503 00:41:08,599 --> 00:41:15,199 I was I there. I don't think so how did I know? Oh? 504 00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:16,360 Yeah, I hate this game. I hate this game. I hate 505 00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:19,840 the game. And then that last show, well I love this game. 506 00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:22,280 I can't wait to come back again. Yeah, I guess I have to 507 00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:27,079 come back tomorrow. Yeah. Well, what I think I told you this, 508 00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:32,039 Bob when we were when we were talking when students they get very technical, 509 00:41:32,079 --> 00:41:36,599 and you were talking about overthinking, which I agree completely. And you 510 00:41:36,639 --> 00:41:40,440 start thinking thinking this technique and then you you you, you do that, 511 00:41:40,519 --> 00:41:45,480 and something else goes wrong, so you add another one on, and then 512 00:41:45,519 --> 00:41:49,880 you keep adding more on, and you keep adding more on, and I 513 00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:53,159 call that more on golf. I like I played that. I'm very I'm 514 00:41:53,239 --> 00:42:01,239 very I'm a low handicapper in that game. Let's be nice, Okay. 515 00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:10,719 So recently I came across a video on TikTok or something and a woman who's 516 00:42:12,079 --> 00:42:15,639 who's in the LPGA Tour and I think she's trying to break into the LPGA 517 00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:20,239 Tour or maybe she's just getting started, but she's a young woman. And 518 00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:24,960 she had this quote that it just jumped out to me, and I've been 519 00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:29,159 thinking about a lot, and I'm so excited to have the two of you 520 00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:31,320 to throw this out too. Here's what she said, and I wrote this. 521 00:42:32,079 --> 00:42:36,000 I wrote it down, and I'm going to paraphrase in a sense that 522 00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:39,960 some of it is not there anyway. She said, the hardest thing about 523 00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:45,039 golf for me is that you have to practice like it is the most important 524 00:42:45,159 --> 00:42:51,559 thing in the world, and you have to play like you don't care at 525 00:42:51,599 --> 00:42:55,880 all. You have to practice every single day and put one hundred percent in. 526 00:42:57,199 --> 00:43:00,480 And you can't do that unless you really really care. But when you 527 00:43:00,559 --> 00:43:05,280 tee it up on Thursday, you have to swing free. How do you 528 00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:10,519 do that when you really care? Gentlemen, Well, the first thing that 529 00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:16,159 pops into my head is something that my grandfather wrote about, and the Joe's 530 00:43:16,159 --> 00:43:22,679 book I think gets books get right to the heart of and that is that 531 00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:30,519 tension is the number one killer of the golf swing. So I don't know, 532 00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:34,440 Joe, you may see it differently, but I would have to respectfully 533 00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:39,639 disagree with her because here's the thing. When you are practicing, what you 534 00:43:39,679 --> 00:43:47,119 are really rehearsing, is you are rehearsing what it is that you want to 535 00:43:47,159 --> 00:43:55,000 be able to do on the golf course. And if you are rehearsing tension, 536 00:43:55,960 --> 00:44:01,199 if you are rehearsing something of that level of intensity, I don't know 537 00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:08,079 how you then go and just switch that off and just say, now you 538 00:44:08,119 --> 00:44:15,360 know, I've been spending three hours on the range working like just working like 539 00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:17,800 a dog. And I mean no offense to my dog who's right here at 540 00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:22,719 my feet, but working like a dog. And now I'm going to go 541 00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:31,119 out there and just be absolutely relaxed. The human body and the human mind 542 00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:37,480 just don't work that way. And now if what she's saying is simply going 543 00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:43,199 out and putting in time at the range and putting in time making the changes 544 00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:47,840 she needs to make, well that's one thing. But I can only go 545 00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:53,440 by the words that people use, and those words are words that say to 546 00:44:53,480 --> 00:45:01,239 me, I feel this pressure, this tension, doing this, and now 547 00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:05,440 I have to find a way to magically shut it off. You have to 548 00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:09,440 practice what it is that you want to do, and that works just as 549 00:45:09,519 --> 00:45:15,639 much for mindset as it does for physical activity. Well, um, I 550 00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:22,039 agree with you about tension. And what I heard was she wants to she 551 00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:27,719 does a lot of trying. Yeah, and if all she's practicing is trying, 552 00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:30,519 then she's going to carry that over and do a lot of trying on 553 00:45:30,559 --> 00:45:34,159 the golf course. And we don't want to be doing that. We want 554 00:45:34,159 --> 00:45:37,760 to be trusting on the golf course, you know. And it's like I 555 00:45:37,199 --> 00:45:42,039 tell that, you know, Monday, Tuesday and Wednesdays when you work and 556 00:45:42,159 --> 00:45:46,400 Thursdays when you start to play, so and golf, A lot of golfers 557 00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:51,360 do the opposite, and they get grim and intense on Thursday. I was 558 00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:55,519 with Fred Funk at a tournament and he's he's the happy, go lucky to 559 00:45:57,320 --> 00:46:00,760 do, always smiling and cheerful. And I remember on Thursday morning he was 560 00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:06,039 following there were two pros and they were walking onto the pudding green and there 561 00:46:06,159 --> 00:46:10,000 was a young lady there who was holding a rope to keep the public from 562 00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:14,559 walking on into the putting green. And she let the rope down for the 563 00:46:14,559 --> 00:46:16,800 two pros. And as Fred walked up to where she pulled the rope up 564 00:46:17,119 --> 00:46:21,079 and he said, what are you doing. I'm one of the pros. 565 00:46:21,119 --> 00:46:22,920 He said, Oh, I didn't think you were a pro. You seemed 566 00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:31,519 happy, So that's yeah, right, So that's that's the grim the grimace, 567 00:46:31,639 --> 00:46:35,320 you know. So that's one thing. The other is I do have 568 00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:37,679 a Chaptern's end. Golf called to care or not to care, And I 569 00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:42,920 was working with an instructor in a short game school and he said, I 570 00:46:43,039 --> 00:46:45,280 tell people go ahead and you know, swing like you don't care. But 571 00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:49,239 when I get out there, I do care. How do how do I 572 00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:52,719 move to not caring? And I said, in the dictionary there are two 573 00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:59,119 definitions of the word to care. One is to take a sincere interest in 574 00:47:00,159 --> 00:47:04,800 and the other is to worry about. And this is in the book. 575 00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:07,199 And I said, to tell me the difference in how you feel when I 576 00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:13,800 say these two sentences. I'll do it with you, Fred Fred I care 577 00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:25,719 about you, Fred, I worry about you. So if you if you're 578 00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:31,239 turning that towards yourself and your game, you say, yeah, I care 579 00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:36,280 about what happened, So I put the work in, but I'm not gonna 580 00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:42,079 worry about how it turns out because that creates tension that interferes with my swing. 581 00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:45,559 M exactly. Wow, it's like in the middle of that as I'm 582 00:47:45,599 --> 00:47:51,440 concerned about you. I mean when when you said it, Joe, I 583 00:47:51,639 --> 00:47:53,960 care about you, I worry about you. Almost to me came across is 584 00:47:54,920 --> 00:48:00,079 the same thing. Well, most people here, I care about you. 585 00:48:00,159 --> 00:48:02,880 That's a positive concern. Yes, I worry about you. Is I'm worried 586 00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:07,599 about what could go wrong? Right? Right? Okay? Yes, I 587 00:48:07,639 --> 00:48:16,360 get I normally get the second one. That's so I actually have implemented. 588 00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:22,440 I have implemented for my students. I have them rate their shots after each 589 00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:27,639 shot on a worry scale. How much were you worried about how it was 590 00:48:27,679 --> 00:48:30,920 going to turn out. And working with Christie, I give her credit for 591 00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:37,400 this acronym she developed wa R worry about results. When I worry about results, 592 00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:43,440 I'm at war with myself. Yeah, And so so I have people 593 00:48:43,639 --> 00:48:46,440 rate the rate their shot. Okay, on that shot, how much were 594 00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:50,199 you worried about how it was going to turn out? And how much did 595 00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:54,280 you just trust it and go and go for it? And zero on the 596 00:48:54,320 --> 00:49:00,679 worry scale, no hold back, that's the only negative I ever, no 597 00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:07,199 holding back. I like that. And on the five is I was totally 598 00:49:07,199 --> 00:49:08,719 All I thought about was how it was going to turn out, and I 599 00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:15,199 just couldn't let myself swing. There's the difference. Yeah. And there's also 600 00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:21,800 a little physical trick that you can do. That you can do and it's 601 00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:23,880 been done. In fact, the person who does is most known for it 602 00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:30,719 is Aria Jutana Gard and that is she will smile before she executes a shot, 603 00:49:31,159 --> 00:49:35,599 and that does two purposes. One of the things a smile will do 604 00:49:36,199 --> 00:49:39,599 is it will release these muscles right around the mouth, and if tension is 605 00:49:39,639 --> 00:49:45,400 going to enter the body anywhere, it's going to enter right there. And 606 00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:49,559 from there it spreads to the neck, which spreads to the shoulders, which 607 00:49:49,599 --> 00:49:53,440 spreads then through and once your neck and shoulders are tense, you are done 608 00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:58,000 in the golf swing. The other thing that the smile does is it releases 609 00:49:58,039 --> 00:50:00,719 a little oxytocin in the brain, which is like a little happy chemical, 610 00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:06,519 and your brain really likes those. It's really hard to be tense when you've 611 00:50:06,559 --> 00:50:09,760 got your own body's natural narcotic running through your brain. Right now, I'm 612 00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:13,920 not saying you go around gased all the time, but what I am saying 613 00:50:14,199 --> 00:50:22,880 is just just something that's simple, just keeps you in a much better physical 614 00:50:23,039 --> 00:50:28,079 and mental state. I told that to somebody, and I made the mistake 615 00:50:28,119 --> 00:50:31,480 of telling it early on in our hour together, and they said to me 616 00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:37,079 at the end of the person said, wait a minute, wait, await, 617 00:50:37,119 --> 00:50:37,960 you just told me that in the first ten minutes. Why am I 618 00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:43,840 paying you for a full hour? So I I just smiled, smile and 619 00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:50,239 let the oxytocin through. It's actually a teaching given by Ticknatan, one of 620 00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:54,960 the most famous pastors, and it is and it is a practice to spend 621 00:50:55,039 --> 00:51:00,360 as much of the day remembering to smile. Oh yeah. Strangely enough, 622 00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:06,400 my grandmother, my ninety nine year old grandmother knew that. Wow, it's 623 00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:09,400 the same wisdom, just different words. Yes it is, Yes, it 624 00:51:09,559 --> 00:51:15,599 is well put well, you know it's I want to thank both of you 625 00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:22,639 because recently Golf Smarter was named by two different websites is the best mental game 626 00:51:22,679 --> 00:51:27,800 podcast. And it's because I quote both of you on a regular basis, 627 00:51:28,559 --> 00:51:34,280 and you know and have people like you, but more importantly have you on 628 00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:38,320 here. And interestingly, one of the things that I've repeated so many times, 629 00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:43,440 doctor Bob, is you said to me once you can watch a golf 630 00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:45,679 tournament on TV, you knew he was going to miss a putt because you 631 00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:51,440 saw the tension in his face, absolutely and absolutely, and that for me, 632 00:51:51,559 --> 00:51:55,440 it's like I realize at that point how much tension I have in my 633 00:51:55,559 --> 00:52:00,320 jaw on my swing, and so I regularly try to mind myself to just 634 00:52:01,079 --> 00:52:07,239 lose attention, breathe through it. I mean, and doctor Joe. Just 635 00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:13,079 the other day, I was playing with somebody's a good golfer, a single 636 00:52:13,119 --> 00:52:16,119 digit handicap golfer. He had a bad hole and I could see what we 637 00:52:16,119 --> 00:52:20,840 were standing on the green. He was waiting for a fifty foot put you 638 00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:24,800 know, for bogey, and I just said, you know, doctor Joe, 639 00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:28,880 parents had told me this once and I love repeating it, and that 640 00:52:29,199 --> 00:52:32,440 is pull out your etch a sketch, flip it over, shake it, 641 00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:37,079 erase it, and let it go. And luckily he knew what an etch 642 00:52:37,119 --> 00:52:44,719 a sketch us, although I did see one in a toy store recently and 643 00:52:44,719 --> 00:52:50,840 it said Nope, batteries necessary. That's right. I'm gonna borrow that one 644 00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:58,119 too, Joe. Well, gentlemen, this has been an absolute joy for 645 00:52:58,239 --> 00:53:01,519 me just because I know that I got to introduce you to because you've both 646 00:53:01,559 --> 00:53:07,039 been important people in the last twenty years of my life, and I just 647 00:53:07,559 --> 00:53:12,360 am so grateful that you guys connected and that we got to share some of 648 00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:15,039 that energy here today. Thank you so much. Thank you, Fred, 649 00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:19,000 Thanks Fred, Joe. It's been great to be with you. You two. 650 00:53:19,079 --> 00:53:25,239 Let's stay in touch. Definitely. Oh so much to report because I 651 00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:30,119 played twice over the weekend as my wife was out of town. Maybe I 652 00:53:30,159 --> 00:53:34,280 should have checked my horoscope that day because Friday was one of those days that 653 00:53:35,159 --> 00:53:39,320 strange things happened one right after another. Check this one out. After I 654 00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:45,119 recorded this conversation that you just heard, which clearly had issues in the beginning. 655 00:53:45,519 --> 00:53:47,880 I headed out to be cock Gap for a ninety minute practice session, 656 00:53:49,639 --> 00:53:52,719 and after working out on the range and a lot in the bunker, followed 657 00:53:52,719 --> 00:53:58,880 by chipping and pitching, I went over to the putting area and I discovered 658 00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:01,639 that I didn't have any balls in my bag, even though I knew I 659 00:54:01,679 --> 00:54:07,199 had isolated nine clean balls before I left the house. So I checked everywhere 660 00:54:07,239 --> 00:54:09,960 in my new bag, you know, the one that I'm still getting familiar 661 00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:15,559 with, and checked my car. No balls. So I went into the 662 00:54:15,559 --> 00:54:19,039 pro shop and the director of golf, who I've known for years, said, 663 00:54:19,199 --> 00:54:22,440 hey, we have a bit of used balls here, buck apiece, 664 00:54:22,079 --> 00:54:27,159 go for it. Great, thank you. So I grabbed four balls pulled 665 00:54:27,159 --> 00:54:29,840 out of twenty and the guy behind the counter just winked me and said, 666 00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:32,360 don't worry about it, go ahead, thank you. Then I get up 667 00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:37,639 to the first tea I was informed that I was playing with a young couple 668 00:54:37,719 --> 00:54:40,159 sitting off to the side in a cart. I introduced myself and asked if 669 00:54:40,159 --> 00:54:46,679 they were familiar with the chorus. She responded sheepishly with I'm new to golf. 670 00:54:47,960 --> 00:54:52,840 Have you ever played here before? No, have you ever played eighteen 671 00:54:52,920 --> 00:55:00,280 holes before? No boy, but our partners said he plays a couple of 672 00:55:00,320 --> 00:55:05,880 times a year, but isn't very good. I suggested that they both play 673 00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:08,719 from the front tees, but they decline to say they'll join us on the 674 00:55:08,719 --> 00:55:14,920 white Okay, fine, And just before we started, a fourth guy pulls 675 00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:19,639 up in a cart and introduces himself. So the husband teas off by popping 676 00:55:19,719 --> 00:55:24,239 his driver straight up for about seventy to eighty yards total. Then she walks 677 00:55:24,280 --> 00:55:28,960 up to the tea box and he starts giving her a lesson on how to 678 00:55:29,039 --> 00:55:34,119 hit the ball. The fourth, who will call Frank and I kind of 679 00:55:34,199 --> 00:55:37,960 look at each other and then back over to the starter, who runs down 680 00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:39,679 to them and says, sorry, folks, if you want a lesson, 681 00:55:39,719 --> 00:55:43,880 you've got to go to the driving range. There's a long line of people 682 00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:47,000 we have waiting to go, and we really don't have time for that now, 683 00:55:47,119 --> 00:55:53,639 so they left. Now it's just me and Frank in between a couple 684 00:55:53,639 --> 00:55:59,400 of foursomes, but the group in front of us also as a beginner who 685 00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:04,760 clearly wasn't familiar with the etiquette of pace of play. When we arrived at 686 00:56:04,760 --> 00:56:08,960 the turn, the group in front of us was now almost two holes behind 687 00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:14,039 the group. In front of them a twosome and the tenth holes of part 688 00:56:14,119 --> 00:56:16,880 three, So we ask, hey, is it okay if we just play 689 00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:22,320 ahead of you? And they agreed, thank you, But Frank hits his 690 00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:27,000 ball into the bunker. Duff's one then hits out, but in the process 691 00:56:27,559 --> 00:56:31,519 he reaggravated his bad back, and it was so bad that after the hole 692 00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:37,440 he apologizes and has to go home because the pain is too much to continue. 693 00:56:37,920 --> 00:56:42,079 So now I'm all alone, and I don't like to play alone, 694 00:56:44,679 --> 00:56:47,119 but there's a twosome in front of me, and I joined them and finish 695 00:56:47,199 --> 00:56:52,760 a pretty good round with no other bizarre events, although I didn't lose any 696 00:56:52,800 --> 00:56:55,840 balls, so the balls that the guy gave me I went back to the 697 00:56:55,880 --> 00:57:00,360 pro shop and said, thank you very much, you can have the back. 698 00:57:00,559 --> 00:57:04,119 He was very impressed. Thank you, he says. Well. I 699 00:57:04,159 --> 00:57:07,119 played again the next day, but this time the July weather here in northern 700 00:57:07,119 --> 00:57:14,199 California was brutal, with temperatures in the high nineties for the entire round, 701 00:57:14,440 --> 00:57:19,159 and I'm walking, but it wiped me out, so that after a decent 702 00:57:19,239 --> 00:57:22,559 nine holes of being four over, I joined my buddy John in his cart 703 00:57:22,599 --> 00:57:27,639 and rode the back nine. It was so hot and I was so drained 704 00:57:27,679 --> 00:57:30,679 from the heat that all I could think about was staying hydrated, and then 705 00:57:30,719 --> 00:57:37,559 included soaking my hat with water and soaking a towel with cold water as well. 706 00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:40,320 I wrapped a towel around my neck, and between that and my hat, 707 00:57:40,360 --> 00:57:45,199 I was able to say somewhat cooler, but it's still in the upper 708 00:57:45,320 --> 00:57:50,199 nineties. The punchline of this is that I was so distracted from my game 709 00:57:50,320 --> 00:57:53,880 due to the heat that I didn't spend a lot of time worrying about my 710 00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:59,119 mechanics, only what I needed to do to get my ball to the next 711 00:57:59,159 --> 00:58:04,400 spot, and ended up shooting even par on the back nine. That's only 712 00:58:04,440 --> 00:58:08,280 the third time I've ever done that. Back nine also included one hole where 713 00:58:08,320 --> 00:58:13,760 my drive went far off to the right of the unto the next fairway and 714 00:58:14,079 --> 00:58:19,280 someone picked up my ball and left me a crappy old one, and my 715 00:58:19,360 --> 00:58:22,360 partners were generous enough to give me a free drop there, and so I 716 00:58:22,440 --> 00:58:27,199 hit my next shot to the green, but it flew the green and it 717 00:58:27,199 --> 00:58:30,880 looked like it went out of bounds, so we looked for a while and 718 00:58:30,039 --> 00:58:35,840 finally found the ball. I was able to chip up onto the green it 719 00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:40,119 rolled past the hole. But then I had an eighteen footer that I sunk 720 00:58:40,280 --> 00:58:46,239 for par okay. Now next week you're gonna hear more about my putting that 721 00:58:46,360 --> 00:58:51,880 round because I discussed it at length with our guests. And once again, 722 00:58:51,920 --> 00:58:54,960 we're going to have two incredible guests on this show, and this time it's 723 00:58:54,960 --> 00:59:00,719 gonna be Carl Morris and Gary Nicholl, and they returned for the first time 724 00:59:00,760 --> 00:59:04,239 as a pair on Golf Smarter. I've had them on individually and they teach 725 00:59:04,320 --> 00:59:07,719 together, but this time I'll have them on together to talk about their new 726 00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:14,840 digital version of the very popular book, The Lost Art of Putting. I 727 00:59:14,920 --> 00:59:19,719 want to thank this week's Golf Smarter Ambassador, James Wilson of Richmond, Missouri, 728 00:59:20,199 --> 00:59:24,119 who chose to receive Tony Manzoni's video of the Lost Fundamental as his gift 729 00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:28,719 for being a Golf Smarter Ambassador. 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