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The countdown is on to fight time. This is Big Fight Weekend. Now

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here is your host Djwaves. Well, we get ready in a brand new

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month on Saturday for the five versus
Five card in Saudi Arabia headlined by Deontay

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Wilder and Jalai Jiang. The heavyweights. Heavyweights are gonna be at the top

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of this bill, but it's an
outstanding card. We're ready to preview it.

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We've got fight news and much more. You are locked in with the

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Reeves. Hello again, Dan Rayfield
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Good to be back with you on
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have? It's June. It's June
comes Saturday. I know we're releasing the

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podcast Thursday night into Friday, but
it's June come Saturday. Are we ready?

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Are we ready? Come on?
Man? I was born ready and

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I'm really really pumped up for this
card on Saturday. And we're going to

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roll along here because we've got a
Jervonte Davis pay per view. We're gonna

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talk Mike Tyson in his health situation, but to Jake pull, Mike Tyson

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looming, Terrence Crawford headlining for an
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in La. We are rolling here
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you're following or subscribing on this podcast
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We recap most of the time coming
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is like this weekend because Rayphael I
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I am out of touch, I
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an Alaskan cruise. God help me
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in laws, my brother in law. So as we release this podcast,

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we are cruising. So the preview
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the recap, obviously, subscrib I
have the Dan substack. I know you're

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also doing stuff with the Title Sports
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it with Title Sports Network with Michelle
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them so you can get your plenty
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off of YouTube, off his substack
we just won't have a recap podcast for

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this weekend because I may be wrestling
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this weekend instead of this recap,
as I joked around with you, since

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we of course do the bet US
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bear and I've got the under and
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will try to survive all of this. God willing, We're leaving out of

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Seattle and then returning late next week
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preview podcast and a recap podcast next
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not a recap. We got you
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You got plenty of ways to hear
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what happens. But that's how that
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of that being said, make sure
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We should make mention too, the
bet US show was already done for this

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week, so you and I have
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us. But for the podcast audience, just in overall terms, we don't

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work for the people that are involved
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and the promotion here. But this
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one through five, if not more
of the fights, and we're looking forward

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to talking about it more here on
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look the five on five, which
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five boxers with Mattroom boxing against five
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Queensberry, and they're making him they're
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is they're making it about the promoters
more than the fighters, when when you

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look at the key art that they
did, it's Frank Warren facing off with

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Eddie Hearn, which is kind of
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massups that they've come up with are
fantastic. Every single fight of the five

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we're going to talk about is interesting
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are, in my opinion, and
I think the odds makers relatively reasonable betting

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odds in terms of you know,
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And on top of the five fights, you get, I guess we'll call

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it a bonus. You get Dmitri
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belt that he owns against Malik Zinad, a late replacement because unfortunately, what

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was probably the best fight of the
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and better Beev is postponed because better
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as has happened to him frequently,
unfortunately, he is very difficult to get

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to the post because he's very injury
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to take care of this fight later
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Bibble comes back to defend. No
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and not get paid and not put
on another defense. But the main events,

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the main event fights of the show
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slots in in the middle of the
lineup. But it's really about these five

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matchups that we're going to talk about
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it's as deep and as interesting a
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I think that maybe is ahead of
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one that's on paper right now.
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about the main event p in Terrence
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incredible card and frankly could get much
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fight against Jang on this card and
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there's a very good chance they're going
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against Jared Anderson. So we'll see
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here to discuss tremendous, trendous matchups
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keep explaining this Turkey Ala Chic and
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had the Day of Reckoning card in
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Right now, this one looks loaded, but that that Day of Reckoning

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card was loaded with fights, and
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view. The fight fan is getting
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So let's let's start at the top. You and I are intrigued Deontay Wilder,

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who you talk to on this podcast, And I don't think it is

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an overstatement here. This is this
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gonna continue as a high level championship
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Because he was awful the last time
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own admission to you on the previous
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up on the podcast speed he's got
concerns. He even talked to you about,

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Hey, I'm going back to some
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I'm changing my mindset, my strategy
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So there's real question marks about Deontay. And you've got an older opponent in

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Jang, who scored a couple of
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though, have recently lost to Joseph
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as well. All right, give
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coming up Saturday afternoon US time,
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Well, Deontay hasn't been inactive if
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the fight that took place back in
December. It's not for him. This

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is a pretty quick turnaround because he
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But the reality is he's thirty eight. Looked terrible against Parker. He

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knows it, and it's a matter
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I if you listened to the podcast, as we talked about for a long

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time, he used a tremendous jab
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And as he got more successful and
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was scoring the big knockouts, he
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became just a matter of let me
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it more evident than in the fight
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kong Ortiz, where the entire fight
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single round and it was only if
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hand and end the fight, And
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in the fight, and you fall
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what makes the punching power so devastating, besides just the concussive force of it,

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is the way that he set it
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his long jab and get rid of
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came behind it. And so again
in the interview that we did that folks

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can listen to, he talked about
having this great phone call where he sought

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out the advice of Klitschko, who
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Shelley Finkle as a manager for many
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you got a great jab, but
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that sort of like that, he
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off in his head, and he
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his repertoire of things that he does. Now he goes in with Jang,

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who is even older than Deontay.
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forty one. Now, the thing
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big wins, as you mentioned,
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have is is that was just the
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has been not much. Prior to
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which was close but he didn't win. I thought it was a legitimate decision.

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He lost a close fight. Prior
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a bunch of nobody's. The one
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Jerry Forrest, and that was like
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It was a draw. In the
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issues and that sort of thing.
So his career is two fights against Joe

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Joyce that are wins, and then, of course, after the Joe Joyce

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two wins, he lost to Parker. So he takes the two wins against

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Joyce, and on each end of
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the loss of Parker. So I
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he's a very big man. He's
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He's got tremendous punching power, but
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have a lot of stamina. I
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Every time he gets touch, he
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Wilder this guy. I love what
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the thing is if Wilder has concerns
about whether he can react and hit him

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when there's an opening. You said, Jang is so low enough where it

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will be an issue, And that's
part of the intrigue on can Wilder land

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the big one that he really could
not against Parker. Can Jang get out

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of the way from that right hand
if it's coming, and can Jang.

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Conversely, as a south Paul maybe
Land the big straight left Deontae, hence

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the injury. I've been saying this
since the fight with me. This fight

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is about two things, Deonta's right
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south bought with the beautiful straight left
hand that can can knock out anybody,

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and Deontay, in my opinions,
the right hand is of historic proportions.

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He is a guy that has the
right hand that would be on the level

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of anybody that you can think of
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their power. In the right hand, he touches you and you go to

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sleep if he had, say the
right way, end of the story.

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I've seen him score numerous knockouts up
close and personal in the front row where

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he just absolutely obliterated a guy.
Where there are multiple fights that he scored

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knockouts in where those of us at
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I mean not to be I'm not
making light of that, being very serious

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where the opponent potentially was extraordinarily.
You've said a couple of times the Archer

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Spilka fight right, which was at
Bartly Center, was right in front of

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you, and you don't say this
lightly. You were legitimately concerned he may

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have seriously injured or killed him with
the punch that he hit him with.

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Yeah, but it's not just that
fight. It was. It was the

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fight between him and Scholka, which
was hillatious, It's the Brazil fight,

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It's the the Luis Ortiz, the
second fight that I mentioned. It was

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just the Verne rematch. I mean, he's had a bunch of big time

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knockouts. I mean just his whole
career has been one knockout after another.

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I mean, you know, before
he had the you know, when he

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was going into the fight with Tyson
Fury, the only time he the first

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fight with Fury, he'd only been
the distance one time, and that was

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when he won the title for the
first you know, when he beats Severne

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in the first fight. Uh,
and then he knocked him out in the

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rematch. But the point is,
even today, he's got forty three wins,

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forty two or by knockout. The
only time he's ever seen the final

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bell in a victory is in that
title win against Bermain Stevern back in the

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day. And then he's got the
three losses. But two of them were

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by a knockout. So the only
time he ever saw the final bell in

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a decision, you know, it's
only been one time in his entire career.

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That was the that was, you
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course he's got the draw which went
the distance too, and that in that

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fight that he had the first time
around with with Tyson Fury. So this

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is a guy that you know,
is all about getting knock at the only

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time he ever went the distance into
loss and heard that bell was that last

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fight that he looks so poor in
against Joseph Parker. So look, it's

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it's it is a crapshoot kind of
fight, I don't think. And let

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me just make this clear. I
love the matchup and it's very intriguing for

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the reason we're talking about with the
punch and power that both these men possess.

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But I don't think it's going to
be an exciting fight because the tension

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is going to be there and both
guys know that the other man can absolutely

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obliterate them with one punch, So
it's going to be tension, it seems

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to me, until the time where
one of them perhaps can get that shot

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off and we'll see what happens.
But it's it's a fascinating fight, two

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big, strong heavyweights with with great
punching power in either hand, with you

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know, one left, one right, and the winners moving on and the

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loser, you know, might be
going home. And the winner certainly is

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very irrelevant. We know this without
even saying it, but I'll reiterate it

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is very relevant at the championship level. Still with what's looming you mentioned Wilder

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potentially with Jared Anderson. There's Anthony
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it's not a title shot. Jang
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fight if he defeats Deontay Wilder.
So a lot there on that one.

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And what's interesting in the chronology is
immediately before this on the card is the

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Hergovic battle with Daniel Dubois, which, again, the winner of that fight

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is very much relevant. And again
at the time that we're doing this,

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we're still waiting on what is the
IBF gonna do. Is the IBF gonna

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make this a world title fight or
not? Hergovic currently in that one slot

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there for the IBF. All right, So more on this fight with Dubois.

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So give me some more. It's
supposed to be for the vacant title,

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but there are people trying to backtrack
and go against their word. Now,

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I'm not advocating that Alexander Usik should
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obviously love the fact that there's an
undisputed champion, but that doesn't negate the

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fact that everybody involved Team Usik team
you know, the Usik side for sure,

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Team Dubois, the Frank Warren,
everybody involved, the Saudi's obviously Team

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Hurgovic, the whole group of people. Everybody knew what was in play,

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or especially the IBF because they're the
ones that had to put out the letters

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and notify everybody that if they follow
their contracts and their rules and what they

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determined was going to happen, Usik
should have vacated the IBF title this past

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Saturday and that this fight between duwant
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So there's a battle on the ground
happening in Riha where they're trying to get

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the IBF to do the what they
promised they would do again. I'm I'm

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not advocating stripping a guy, but
if you make a promising you give your

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word, live up to it.
Be a man, Daryl Peoples from the

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IBF. Do what you promised you
would do and what's in writing and what

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everybody signed off on instead of trying
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So we'll see what happens with that. But regardless in terms of the

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boxing match itself, do what Hergovich
title or no title or interim title orherever

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you want to slice it. And
don't forget. The way that they could

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solve this is that you know,
uh, you know, Turkey al Chic

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and the folks over there, but
could go to Team Hergovic and you know,

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visit them in the hotel room and
present them with you know, all

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kinds of gargantuinans amount of money to
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boxing, like in many things in
life, a big pile of money can

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certainly make things a lot better.
So either way they're going to fight the

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fight, and look, it's a
huge fight for both guys. You know,

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Hergevich is undefeated, he's an Olympic
medal winner. He's a guy that

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has the victory over Jhang. You
know he was on the day of reckoning

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card. He got the first round
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he was waiting for his mandatory shot. If he wins, uh, there's

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a very good chance, whether it's
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title, or however you want to
slice it, that come September he can

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be the opponent for Anthony Joshua at
Wembley Stadium. That's a very much in

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the in the mix as a very
strong possibility. The Saudi's start doing a

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fight in September in London like they're
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in terms of Duba, same deal. He's got a chance to you know,

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if it's for the IBF title,
to win the title. You know,

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he's coming off of he had the
knockout win against Jerrel Miller on the

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day of Reckoning Card in December.
I didn't think it was a great performance,

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but he still got the knockout and
he gave Jeryl Miller his first ever

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loss, and that was for him
a big win because he was able to

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bounce back from getting ruined by Osik
and when he challenged for the title back

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last summer in Poland. So you
know he's had a little bit of a

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star crossed career in the sense that
there was so much expectation for Dubois during

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the pandemic. He had the like
with no fans there. He got the

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big loss and the busted orbit bone
in a high stakes fight against Joe Joyce,

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which really is what sent Joe Joyce
up of the rankings. You know,

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won a few more fights against kind
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when he stepped up, you know, against Usik. He got knocked out

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in the fight prior to that,
against Kevin Larena, who's a cruiserweight you

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know, slash bridge or weight whatever. You know, he got knocked down

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three times in round one and almost
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stopped to fight. So I questioned
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So we'll see him and Hergovic.
They're both punching, you know, strong

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punchers. You know, it's a
it's a significant fight. It may not

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have the level of public interest,
let's say, compared to Jang, but

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from the title standpoint, it's it's
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the IBF's involvement, so the winner
could again we'll see what happens the rest

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of this week he emerged with one
of the heavyweight world titles. But either

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way, the winner is going to
be in a very very strong position going

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forward, no doubt, especially Hergovic, again we keep saying, is looking

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at an eight figure payday easily with
Anthony Joshuay if that comes to fruition or

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not. And I don't know,
I don't really know what Dubois has at

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the highest level. He was shaky
at times with Jamel Miller. He did

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win. We'll see, We'll see
how that one plays out. So that's

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the heavyweights kind of at the top. And again for Beevil Beevol fighting this

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fighter from Libya by way of Malta
in Malik Zanad, which again little known

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Beevol heavily favored to win and it's
basically a placeholder. Can he get the

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undisputed fight late this year early next
year with better ba But at least Beebol

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will be in action here on this
card as well, So say something about

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that real quick. He's expected to
win and win easily. Yeah, I

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mean, look, I don't know
much about to No, I mean,

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I've not seen video of him a
lot of times that these fights happen.

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I've seen her, you know,
know all these guys. I got to

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be honest, this is not a
guy that I know much about. I

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have not taken the time to go
and look on YouTube to see anything,

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but I can look at his record. He's thirty years old. As you

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mentioned, he's from Libya. He's
based in Malta. Not exactly hot beds,

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either of them in terms of professional
boxing. He's got a nice record.

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He's twenty two and oh sixteen knockouts. But then you look at the

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record, TJ. And when I
say there's nobody on his record, I

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mean there's nobody on his record.
I mean often say it, who are

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the twenty two in this case?
And he's fought a couple of undefeated guys

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in this net. But there's nobody
that anybody you've heard of right right now.

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The one thing about him that that
tells me something about his character is

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that he has fought all over the
world. This is not a guy that's

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you know, been shy traveling.
He's fought in Australia, he's fought in

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Germany, He's fought in other places. And you're abulgi him and he's fought

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Obviously, he's fighting this fight in
the Middle East, he's fighting in the

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UK. He's fought all over the
place, so that's not uh going to

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be a problem that he's traveling.
So at least you know in his you

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know, when I see that,
it makes me think like there's character to

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the athlete because of the willingness to
travel and keep that undefeated record. But

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we'll see, Bivell is a top
five talent for pound guy. He's clearly

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a notch above most fighters in boxing, much less somebody that you never heard

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of that has zero resume to speak
of. So yes, it should be

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a win. But look, he
took it on short notice. This was

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only made I want to say,
what when did uh when did begor b

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fall out? Roughly a roughly a
month in between right right? So?

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And look Beevil dominated uh Zerdo Ramirez
previously beat Canelo Alvarez? The only question

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and we kind of debated this.
Another mention on the bet Us show is

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he hasn't had recent knockouts per se, So does this go the route?

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Does Boble get some rounds in?
Does he take it to him where We're

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about to find out Saturday. I'm
willing to gather that he probably gets some

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rounds and just because that's the type
of fighter that people is. Even in

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his last fight against a fighter like
Eli Zero, who just got waxed and

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over the past weekend, UH on
the on the undercard of the UH was

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on the Fury Fight for you which
card it was on, But he lost.

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He lost on that on that card. Uh, you know, in

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a big knockout, so you know, and and Beebele could barely do anything

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with the guys, so you know, who the heck knows what's gonna happen

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with that. I'm not Eli Zero, my mistake. I'm talking about Lendna

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Arthur was the opponent. Yeah that
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But anyway, here's the point though, comparing the opponents that Bieble has

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fought to the opponents that's not as
far, It's not even close. You

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mentioned a couple of guys like Panelo
and and Zero which are more recent,

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but before that, you know Craig
Richards, who's on this card, he

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has a win over him, even
though it was a tough fight. He

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has wins over guys like Joe Smith
Junior. That was the fight that I

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was ringside for where he won basically
every single minute of the fight other than

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about you know, a few seconds
in the final round. You know,

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he has got to win against John
Pasqualey, Bet Sullivan, morera Isaac Chalambo

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when he was still a good contender. My point is he's a battle tested

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guy against a lot of good opponents, and the opponent he's facing has zero

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recognition of anybody on his resume.
All right, So that's the WBA light

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heavyweight title, the fight that may
be the best fight on this card.

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You and I keep saying, this
is the WBA's featherweight title fight. Raymond

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Ford, Camden, New Jersey,
Nick Ball Liverpool, England again. Ford

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off a dramatic win off of Over
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Ball had to scratch claw fighting Ray
Vargas for his title. Ball lost

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a lot of the early rounds,
but came back against Vargas and ended up

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being a draw. And now they
fight each other, and let's hear it

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for activity, they only fought in
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Now here they are fighting each other
and we are high. Hopefully we don't

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get a stinker after we've been building
this up, but we're very high on

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Ford against Ball in this five versus
five match. Go ahead, yeah,

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I mean I have a very hard
time envisioning as being a stinker now.

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And maybe he's not gonna be the
fight of the year, fair enough,

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but the stinker is hard to hard
to fathom when you look at the way

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these two guys have had in recent
fights. Ford had one of the more

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dramatic wins you'll see ever where he
came back. He was down on the

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cards and he stopped Komatov in round
twelve with like, like what forty seconds?

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I forget how much time was up, but it was a very very

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tight, you know win there was
looking at the record now, he knocked

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him out with seven seconds left in
the fight. He knocked him. He's

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losing on the cards. He knocked
him down. That he had him in

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trouble. Wasna was Kolmatov gonna be
able to make it or not? He

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staggered him, and Kolmatov kind of
staggered across the ring. We've now found

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out he had torn a knee ligament
ye at some point, But Ford,

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like you like to say, did
not leave it in the hands of the

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other judges. He left it in
the hands of his judges the right and

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the left, and ended it dramatically. Well, here's the thing in the

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entire history of boxing that was only
the and this is courtesy of our good

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friend, the great historian Hall of
Famer Steve Farhood, who put this together

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after because it was a big deal. If you remember, back in twenty

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twenty three, it was Oshaki Foster, who was defending his title in one

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hundred and thirty pound way class,
who came back and needed to win and

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stopped Rocky Hernandez in the final round
with about twenty two seconds left to salvage

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his title and win that fight.
So Steve made this list, and this

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is now only the fifteenth time in
the history of boxing that a fighter who

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was down on points in the last
round of the fight, how whether it

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was twelve rounds, fifteen rounds,
whatever was scheduled for, came from behind

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and scored a knockout to win.
And Ray four did it with seven seconds

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left. I mean, it's a
very uncommon thing. It was very dramatic.

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Now, part of it was because
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Kolmatov had a bound to five knee
injury, but he still Ford was able

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to get the job done. So
very exciting fight. And he's a good

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fighter on top of that, good
amateur and you know, Matt Room boxing

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has been bringing him up since he
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and he's he's a very you know, a good young fighter, no

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doubt about it. And I think, you know, they always talk about

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how you win a title become better. I think he's the epitome of a

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guy because of the confidence that you
get better when you when you realize what

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you can do, what you can
get out of yourself in that sort of

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very difficult moment. And look,
Nick Ball, he's been in some good,

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tough fights also and is exciting.
You know. He did have the

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draw with Vargas. A lot of
people thought he won. I thought it

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was okay, a draw sem reasonable
to me. He had the big win

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against Isaac dog Bay in the fight
before that, who was a good fighter

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in the featherweight division, used to
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You know, he won that fight
clearly. That was a pretty one

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sided fight. Unfortunately, in the
fight before that, that took place in

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May of last year. His opponent
a Liedomo Lamati, he punched into a

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coma unfortunately really seriously injured him.
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So that was a rough one.
But it just shows you the type of

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you know, aggressive puncher type that
nick Ball is now the one thing that's

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negative for him in this fight,
and it's going to be like that no

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matter what he fights. His nick
Ball is like five foot two. He's

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very very short suitimately stature. So
you know, not to say ray Ford

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is like you know, King Kong
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but you know, you put a
guy that's five foot two in the

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00:25:10,319 --> 00:25:11,599
ring with a guy that's a five
foot seven south Ball, you're going to

405
00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:15,240
notice a difference. So you know, Nick's always gonna have kind of a

406
00:25:15,599 --> 00:25:18,319
you know, a hard time based
on the size whoever he's fighting for the

407
00:25:18,319 --> 00:25:22,240
most part. But look, this
is a good classing matchup. As I

408
00:25:22,279 --> 00:25:26,119
said to you when we were talking
about this before, this could be the

409
00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:29,119
main event of a card. This
type of matchup. It just so happens

410
00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:33,200
it comes on a card that's got
two highly significant heavyweight fights on it.

411
00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:37,279
Plus it's got you know, the
one of the top pound for pound fighters

412
00:25:37,279 --> 00:25:40,839
in boxing and Dmitri Bioble defending his
title, so it's hard to slott it

413
00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:44,079
ahead of those fights. But this
is the type of match on this card.

414
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:45,920
Again, I'm not showing for anybody, just keeping it real. That

415
00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:51,000
gives it the depth that makes it
in my mind worth the pay per view.

416
00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:52,640
Now, there's been a lot of
pay per views lately, and it's

417
00:25:52,799 --> 00:25:56,960
it's becoming very, very costly for
anybody that follows boxing, so you have

418
00:25:57,039 --> 00:26:00,200
to make some choices sometimes. But
this is obvious if you're looking at the

419
00:26:00,279 --> 00:26:04,319
landscape, you know, to me, this card for the value and certainly

420
00:26:04,319 --> 00:26:08,599
what we're going to see in August
on the Saudi card with Madromov against Crawford,

421
00:26:08,599 --> 00:26:11,680
which is even more loaded than this
card. Those are the types of

422
00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:15,559
fights where if you're going to buy
pay per views, you know you're probably

423
00:26:15,559 --> 00:26:18,039
happy to spend the money. You're
getting your money's worth, all right.

424
00:26:18,079 --> 00:26:23,559
So Ford and Ball on the card
as featherweights. Another entertaining fight is middleweights

425
00:26:23,599 --> 00:26:27,720
here again the five verses five.
The Matchroom middleweight is Austin Ammo Williams out

426
00:26:27,759 --> 00:26:34,559
of Texas and Hamzas Sharaz, who
has come on recently as a Queensberry fighter,

427
00:26:34,759 --> 00:26:41,839
Islamic Muslim fighter out of England.
Sharaz with an impressive knockout his last

428
00:26:41,839 --> 00:26:45,599
time out, has been very active. He's got several knockouts in the last

429
00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:49,640
calendar year of fighting, actually the
last twelve months or so. So they

430
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:52,400
meet as middleweights and I said this
to you, I know, we keep

431
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:56,559
making mention of the bet Us show
that we've already done. This is like

432
00:26:56,720 --> 00:27:00,640
harken back to the eighties, the
seventies, the eighties when the whup bona

433
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:04,480
fide contenders were willing to fight each
other because the winner realizes I'm very much

434
00:27:04,559 --> 00:27:07,799
in the title picture if I win
this fight. So that's the intrigue for

435
00:27:07,839 --> 00:27:11,720
Amo, Williams and Shiraz. Here
the middleweight fight well, as we have

436
00:27:11,759 --> 00:27:15,039
talked about on this podcast on a
number of occasions right now, if you

437
00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:18,519
are a boxing fan, middleweight is
not your first destination for a big time

438
00:27:18,559 --> 00:27:22,759
fight, and that's just the reality
that you know, things go in cycles,

439
00:27:22,039 --> 00:27:26,680
and currently the middleweight division is is
not not loaded, doesn't have a

440
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:30,279
lot of star power. The champions
are somewhat anonymous Jenems got two belts,

441
00:27:30,319 --> 00:27:32,920
but doesn't have a fan base.
Nobody really knows them or cares about him.

442
00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:37,079
You know, you've got Arisonny Laura, who's you know, basically taking

443
00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:41,599
an annual annuity to fight nobody once
a year. I mean that guy you

444
00:27:41,599 --> 00:27:44,720
know who knows who cares about that? And uh, you know they finally

445
00:27:44,759 --> 00:27:48,000
the WBC finally stripped Charlow after yet
another issue and a long, long long

446
00:27:48,079 --> 00:27:52,160
layoff of sabbatical, had no real
choice, so they've elevated Carlos to Damis,

447
00:27:52,519 --> 00:27:56,559
but he fights somewhat in anonymity.
Unfortunately, he is going to defend

448
00:27:56,599 --> 00:28:00,160
his title coming up on the uh
Tank Davis card that comes up in a

449
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:06,279
couple of weeks against Terrell Gachet.
Not the most interesting matchup to be quite

450
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:10,519
honest. So what that says is
middleweight it ain't where it's at. But

451
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:12,880
if you look down below the championship
level guys that I just mentioned, you

452
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:17,599
got the two young bright lights of
the weight class, which are both up

453
00:28:17,599 --> 00:28:19,759
and coming fighters who have a lot
of potential, a lot of people are

454
00:28:19,839 --> 00:28:22,559
high on, who've made some good
fights, who scort some nice knockouts.

455
00:28:22,599 --> 00:28:27,039
In that Shiraz and Williams, and
you know, I give them both credit

456
00:28:27,079 --> 00:28:30,480
now, Yeah, of course they're
getting paid probably their biggest pay days a

457
00:28:30,559 --> 00:28:33,720
Saudis are taking care of them big
time. But there's no title at stake.

458
00:28:33,079 --> 00:28:36,799
They're still early in their careers.
It's not even at least not that

459
00:28:36,799 --> 00:28:38,920
I'm aware of sanction as any kind
of like official elimination fight or anything like

460
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:41,759
that. They're just going in there
and they're going to try to make a

461
00:28:41,839 --> 00:28:45,480
name for themselves in a big way
because whoever wins is going to be able

462
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:48,000
to say, hey, I beat
the other top prospect in the division.

463
00:28:48,519 --> 00:28:52,960
And you know, if you consider
them to be like they're both at that

464
00:28:52,039 --> 00:28:56,440
sort of stage in their career where
some people will say they're prospects, some

465
00:28:56,519 --> 00:29:00,319
will call them like rising contenders or
you know, up and coming tenders.

466
00:29:00,359 --> 00:29:03,559
How do you look at it?
The guy that wins the fight, I

467
00:29:03,559 --> 00:29:06,680
think you can save flee and then
just call them a contender the way I

468
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:10,440
look at it. And so there's
a lot of stake from that point of

469
00:29:10,519 --> 00:29:12,559
view. And in AML Williams's case, three fights a year ago, including

470
00:29:12,599 --> 00:29:17,279
with the veteran Steve Roles in twenty
twenty three, so he's been active.

471
00:29:17,799 --> 00:29:22,160
Sharraz again was victory. He just
said the two fights in twenty twenty three.

472
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:25,039
He's had one fight so far this
year. Okay, so correct.

473
00:29:25,079 --> 00:29:29,400
So this is the fourth fight in
basically like thirteen months for him, thirteen

474
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:33,200
fourteen months. When last we saw
Sharaz, he dispatched Liam Williams back in

475
00:29:33,279 --> 00:29:40,119
February in a single round. And
again he's been active to an extent.

476
00:29:40,279 --> 00:29:41,880
Previous to that he had one fight
in twenty twenty three, but before that

477
00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:45,799
in twenty twenty two, he had
won one two three fights. So these

478
00:29:45,839 --> 00:29:51,079
are guys that are relevant and the
winner, again we've set this up.

479
00:29:51,119 --> 00:29:53,319
The winner is definitely going to be
in the picture for a title shot.

480
00:29:53,359 --> 00:29:57,039
Maybe not next, maybe it is
next, but certainly soon, you would

481
00:29:57,039 --> 00:30:03,359
think for the winner in that fight
with Sharraz and Ammo Williams, and then

482
00:30:03,359 --> 00:30:07,480
there's one day. Besides, besides
the significance of that aspect, what you're

483
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:10,519
talking about with the fight in the
ring, when when, when, when

484
00:30:10,519 --> 00:30:12,400
the bell goes, Williams and Charras, in my opinion, is going to

485
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:15,920
be an entertaining fight. I think
their styles are going to mess pretty well.

486
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:18,519
You know, the one thing,
Sharraz is a lot taller than most

487
00:30:18,559 --> 00:30:22,000
of his opponents. Uh that that
could make it look a little bit kind

488
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:23,720
of weird. Sometimes that happens,
Uh, you know, he's about six

489
00:30:23,759 --> 00:30:27,240
foot three, six foot four.
Williams is about six foot So there is

490
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:30,839
that aspect of it. But action
wise, I think these guys are gonna

491
00:30:30,839 --> 00:30:33,799
make a good fight. And I
think they also be being youngish. They

492
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:37,400
know that they're like that they're there
to shine and make a statement in the

493
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:41,920
weight class. And I think they're
gonna gonna fight the way that that that

494
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:45,920
mentality is. And Sharraz certainly pipe
bombed Liam Williams in a hurry in the

495
00:30:47,079 --> 00:30:48,839
U in the last matchup that he
had. So let's see what it looks

496
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:52,799
like in Saudi Arabia. And one
more fight back to the light heavyweights.

497
00:30:52,079 --> 00:30:56,920
Craig richardson or Craig richards I'm sorry, and Willie Hutchinson will fight a twelve

498
00:30:56,960 --> 00:31:03,960
round fighting. You mentioned Craig richards
previously here in our conversation, So this

499
00:31:03,079 --> 00:31:07,039
is another light heavyweight fights. I
mean again, this is part of that

500
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:10,880
card. It's going to be going
on all afternoon Saturday afternoon as we released

501
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:15,240
his podcast US time into the early
evening late night Saudi Arabia time. But

502
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:19,160
even these light heavyweights are inaction as
well. Yeah, I mean, look,

503
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:22,559
this is probably the one fight I'm
not I don't mean it's a bad

504
00:31:22,559 --> 00:31:26,559
fight, because I'm interested in this
fight. Also, it's the most anonymous

505
00:31:26,559 --> 00:31:30,000
fight, if you will, because
Richards has been sort of like always the

506
00:31:30,039 --> 00:31:33,599
B side when he's fought. For
the most part. He did give Dmitri

507
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:37,559
Biebel one of his tougher fights,
maybe his toughest fight, to be quite

508
00:31:37,559 --> 00:31:41,880
honest. That was in May of
twenty twenty one. He lost the decision,

509
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:45,799
but he definitely competed very well.
And then you know, he had

510
00:31:45,799 --> 00:31:48,599
a layoff where he didn't fight at
all in twenty twenty three. He had

511
00:31:48,599 --> 00:31:52,000
some injuries and that kind of thing. But prior to that, his other

512
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:56,160
loss in more recent times was he
had a tough, tough, close fight

513
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:59,880
against Joshua Blatz. He's become one
of the top contenders in the wakelest so

514
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:04,640
the losses in recent vintage are at
least against the top level fighters in the

515
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:07,839
division. And then he came back
after I mentioned he didn't fight it all

516
00:32:07,839 --> 00:32:10,559
in twenty twenty three. He came
back in this past February off that long

517
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:14,400
layoff in that injury. You know, it took him a couple of rounds

518
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:17,319
to get things going, but he
knocked out the reputable journeyman Boris Kriney laid

519
00:32:17,359 --> 00:32:21,400
him out in the seventh round.
Very good knockout and puts himself in a

520
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:24,720
great position. Now, Hutchinson is
from Scotland and a lot of people have

521
00:32:24,759 --> 00:32:28,319
looked at him as like one of
the great Scottish amateurs of all time.

522
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:31,039
This guy was very, very,
very decorated. He's also managed by Shelley

523
00:32:31,039 --> 00:32:35,559
Finkle, who also manages Deontay Wilder, so he's in that stable of fighters.

524
00:32:35,559 --> 00:32:40,160
He's with Queensberry. He's been fighting
professionally since twenty seventeen. He hasn't

525
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:44,680
really stepped up. He's had some
like inconsistencies, let's call it. He

526
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:50,200
has a loss by a very shocking
stoppage against Lenox Clark in twenty twenty one,

527
00:32:51,519 --> 00:32:54,079
and so that sort of gave some
people pause. But he's still on

528
00:32:54,119 --> 00:32:58,599
the rise because he's not an old
fighter. He's only twenty five years old,

529
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:00,839
and you know he's been acted since
then. He's won like five fights

530
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:05,559
or four fights since then, wins
most of those fights by knockout. All

531
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:08,200
of his fights frankly since that loss
have been by knockout. And so again,

532
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:13,799
when you look at boxing and you
look at the phrases that people use,

533
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:17,599
crossroads fight, that's exactly what this
this. This is a young fighter

534
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:21,839
in Hutchinson, who a lot of
people still think has potential to be a

535
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:24,759
champion, but he's not faced anybody
on the level of Greig Richards. You

536
00:33:24,799 --> 00:33:29,359
have Craig Richards, who is the
season veteran. He's fought for a world

537
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:32,279
title. He has suffered losses to
a champion, and Beevo suffered a loss

538
00:33:32,279 --> 00:33:37,559
to Bowatzi who was a top quality
contender. And now it's up to up

539
00:33:37,559 --> 00:33:39,319
to the two guys to settle it. Can the young guy get to the

540
00:33:39,359 --> 00:33:43,359
next level by beating the veteran or
can the veteran keep it going and land

541
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:45,119
another shot by turning back, you
know, the young, hungry up and

542
00:33:45,119 --> 00:33:50,799
comer in Hutchinson. Very fascinating fight
in that respect, And we've gone for

543
00:33:50,839 --> 00:33:52,720
a little bit on this, I
mean, how much more do you need?

544
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:55,960
Again? But it's only cart the
preview for the week they're not paying

545
00:33:57,039 --> 00:33:59,839
us to say this, but how
much more do you need? Saturday afternoon?

546
00:34:00,319 --> 00:34:04,119
Which not unlike the Fury USK card, it's gonna begin fairly early and

547
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:07,960
it's gonna go on for hours and
hours before you get to the two big

548
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:10,320
heavyweight fights. For sure, go
ahead. The Usk fight had eight fights

549
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:13,880
on the pay per view. This
is only six, and then had to

550
00:34:14,199 --> 00:34:17,039
light on only six though on the
pay per view only. This is six

551
00:34:17,079 --> 00:34:22,719
fights total. In an era where
we're lucky to get three good fights on

552
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:24,280
a pay per view, I'm gonna
go ahead and say you're probably gonna get

553
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:28,559
four or five out of this group
of six that are gonna be good fights,

554
00:34:28,599 --> 00:34:30,239
memorable fights, who knows, who
knows? With what we have.

555
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:36,519
And again we make mention I made
mention of this earlier that you're gonna recap

556
00:34:36,559 --> 00:34:40,280
it on your substack and uh and
again, whatever happens with all of this,

557
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:44,480
you'll get that from Dan. There's
not gonna be a recap podcast here,

558
00:34:44,519 --> 00:34:46,599
but I know you're very intrigued to
watch a whole lot of boxing be

559
00:34:46,639 --> 00:34:51,840
locked in on his social media and
on his substack for what's gonna happen with

560
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:58,000
this? Five versus five card that
also includes the Bevil title defense in addition

561
00:34:58,079 --> 00:35:02,639
to the Queensberry Matchroom matchups. Okay, some news. Let's start with Terrence

562
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:07,360
Crawford. Since we talked on the
weekend, this is not a surprise.

563
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:10,079
It does not look like he will
be back at welterweight. And the WBC

564
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:15,639
Wait a minute, this is same
WBC that let Jamal Charlow float along for

565
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:21,239
literally three years is now saying,
Okay, Terrence Crawford hasn't fought anybody at

566
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:24,119
welter wait in a year, and
so we are essentially stripping him, making

567
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:29,400
him what the franchise champion, the
champion in recess. I can't keep it

568
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:31,639
straight with whatever the WBC says that
it is. They have made him the

569
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:35,880
champion recess. Take it for whatever
you want. He's moving up in wait

570
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:40,079
and they'll make him decide what division
he wants to remain in following the August

571
00:35:40,079 --> 00:35:44,679
start fight. Now, I'm not
really entirely sure why they made this move.

572
00:35:45,679 --> 00:35:49,159
I did correspond via email a little
bit the other night when this happeness

573
00:35:49,159 --> 00:35:52,079
happened on Monday night, or they
announced it on Monday, Marticio Suliman and

574
00:35:52,159 --> 00:35:58,199
I corresponded on on Monday Night.
And the one thing I do have well,

575
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:00,639
first of all, I like Marishow
and I have a respect for me,

576
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:02,679
so even though we don't necessarily agree
on everything boxing related, but one

577
00:36:02,679 --> 00:36:07,320
thing I do respect a lot is
that whatever the situation is, he'll answer

578
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:10,119
you. He doesn't try to run
and dock the questions. You know,

579
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:15,400
you may not like his answers,
but he's he's a polite enough and nice

580
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:17,119
enough and and good enough to give
you the time and the uh and the

581
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:21,400
uh and the and the legitimate answer
that you need, even if again you

582
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:24,519
don't necessarily agree. But anyway,
they they did this move, and again

583
00:36:24,519 --> 00:36:29,960
I'm not entirely sure why because normally
when these things happen, if there is

584
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:32,480
somebody that is the interim champion,
they become the champion. But in this

585
00:36:32,559 --> 00:36:37,320
case, giov Giovanni Santition or not
Santio. Uh, it was uh Mario

586
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:43,480
Barrios, my mistake. Correct.
Mario Barrios has been the WBC's interim welterweight

587
00:36:43,559 --> 00:36:45,639
champion, and he fought just recently
a couple of weeks ago on the Canelo

588
00:36:45,679 --> 00:36:53,280
Alvarez undercard. He won his fight
against uh Magdalendo and or not Magdalena.

589
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:55,519
Who did he be? Tell me, I forget what we thought. My

590
00:36:55,559 --> 00:37:00,079
mind is a mess. The bottom
line. So we're so enthralled with the

591
00:37:00,119 --> 00:37:04,719
five versus five, Yes, but
Barrio's he had he had trouble in that

592
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:08,000
fight. He had the eye that
was swollen. Shut uh And I'm just

593
00:37:08,039 --> 00:37:14,239
looking back on it here on who
that was. No, it was against

594
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:16,960
Fabian Maydonna. He found at Maydonna, not Magalena. Close enough all right

595
00:37:19,159 --> 00:37:22,760
that night and like forty five pounds
later Magdaleno got knocked out. But anyway,

596
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:27,639
bottom line is he retained the interim
title against Madonna. And normally if

597
00:37:27,639 --> 00:37:30,239
a guy is no longer the champion, the interim champion becomes the full champion.

598
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:34,480
Mauritio was response to me, was
there's no rush. He just fought.

599
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:37,039
We're waiting till August to see what
happens with Crawford, and if he

600
00:37:37,119 --> 00:37:39,760
wins the fight, he'll tell it
or lose the fight for that matter.

601
00:37:40,039 --> 00:37:44,760
It'll then be up to him within
uh, you know, a short time

602
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:49,880
period to tell the WBC in which
division he will campaign. So I guess

603
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:52,559
the way you look at and I
was the WBC title, the world title

604
00:37:52,599 --> 00:37:57,639
is vacant, Barrios is the interim
champion, and Terrence Crawford is the champion

605
00:37:57,679 --> 00:38:00,679
in recess, so he can come
back to welter Way if he wants,

606
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:02,800
and I guess they would, I
guess order him to fight some other fight,

607
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:07,159
maybe it would be against Barrios.
So you know that was the situation.

608
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:10,719
But I think in the end we
all know. And this is the

609
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:14,559
kind of thing that always happens when
you have a bunch of titles that are

610
00:38:14,639 --> 00:38:19,159
unified and the champion decides to change
divisions or give the other division a try.

611
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:22,559
It's like a slow drip, one
bell goes away. The IBF belt

612
00:38:22,599 --> 00:38:25,599
went to ns because he didn't make
the mandatory. Now they gave they did.

613
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:30,960
The reason I mentioned Santan is because
we saw Giovanni Santan against Brian Norman

614
00:38:30,119 --> 00:38:34,119
a couple of weeks or last week. I guess they fought for the interim

615
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:38,880
WBO title, which was in essence
the WBO fulfilling that not yet vacant title,

616
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:44,159
but being ready when it becomes vacant, then Norman will ascend to the

617
00:38:44,519 --> 00:38:47,760
champion. Because he defeated Santian,
the WBA's got stanionis in position as the

618
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:52,599
regular champion. He'll become the only
champion once Crawford is done. And we

619
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:57,239
just discussed the situation with the WBC, so from the undisputed four bell champion,

620
00:38:57,559 --> 00:39:00,760
suddenly they're just being splintered as expected. So anyway, you know,

621
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:04,719
it's not going to have a title
relevance in terms of what Crawford's going to

622
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:08,079
do because he's most likely ninety nine
point nine percent chance. I would say

623
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:12,679
he's staying whatever happens against Magemov as
a junior middleweight. And so I was

624
00:39:12,679 --> 00:39:14,679
going to say, if you're a
betting man, at this point, the

625
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:17,880
money's on he's not coming back to
one forty seven. So he's done.

626
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:21,639
He's been there, done that.
There's not even it'd be one thing if

627
00:39:21,679 --> 00:39:23,679
there was some mega fight for him
in the division. But the mega fight

628
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:28,360
was Erol Spence. He already fought
that fight, he obviously won very decisively,

629
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:30,840
and so he's looking for a bigger
fight. And if you listen to

630
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:34,480
what you know the comments at Turkey
al chic Makes, who obviously is working

631
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:37,119
with him on this Majimov event that's
going to be in August, he's still

632
00:39:37,159 --> 00:39:40,159
like to make a Canelo Alvarez versus
Crawford fight, and that's a fight I

633
00:39:40,159 --> 00:39:44,760
think Crawford would love to have.
It's obviously a huge amount of money,

634
00:39:45,159 --> 00:39:47,400
a great challenge to go up to
fight a legend like that. You know,

635
00:39:47,519 --> 00:39:51,000
not to say Crawford is not a
great fighter, but you know,

636
00:39:51,079 --> 00:39:54,320
again, weight classes are creative for
a reason. Divisions, So we'll see.

637
00:39:54,679 --> 00:39:57,880
Uh, that was what happened with
Terrence Crawford this week. I mean

638
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:00,719
there's some movement on the title belt
and again he's to be in the ring

639
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:07,000
August third as a junior middleweight for
that WBA title, for that title fight

640
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:09,960
in Los Angeles. All right.
Speaking of Los Angeles, that's where Mike

641
00:40:10,039 --> 00:40:16,679
Tyson was headed on a cross country
flight Sunday when he suffered, by his

642
00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:23,800
own spokespeople's relaying to the media a
medical episode believed to be a flare up

643
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:28,039
of an ulcer. Those are never
fun, never good if that's what this

644
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:30,920
was, If it's all that,
it was so much so that they came

645
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:35,360
on And this is according to the
reporting of not Only in Touch Weekly,

646
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:38,519
which is kind of a gossip magazine
site along with People magazine. That's the

647
00:40:38,559 --> 00:40:44,239
same thing and The New York Post. They talked to passengers on the plane,

648
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:46,599
both outlets, who said they made
an announcement over the speaker, is

649
00:40:46,639 --> 00:40:50,840
there a doctor on the plane,
please come to first class. They didn't

650
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:53,760
say Mike Tyson's name. They even
put it on the screens. I haven't

651
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:58,599
seen this on a flight that I've
been on. If you're obviously in your

652
00:40:58,639 --> 00:41:00,639
own world, watching TV, watching
a movie, they put it on the

653
00:41:00,679 --> 00:41:05,519
screens. Is there a doctor?
If so, please come to first class.

654
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:09,920
And it turns out that Mike Tyson
was treated by medical personnel at the

655
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:14,719
gate the flight landed at its destination
in Los Angeles. He was treated,

656
00:41:15,039 --> 00:41:19,639
not clear on if he went to
the hospital or not. Spokesperson said thank

657
00:41:19,679 --> 00:41:22,119
you to the medical staff, to
the airline for helping out. All right,

658
00:41:22,159 --> 00:41:24,760
I know you've probably been doing a
little digging in the last couple of

659
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:30,519
days since all of this has come
out. The first concern is we're still

660
00:41:30,679 --> 00:41:36,639
about seven weeks away from the Jake
Paul fight that's gonna take place, and

661
00:41:36,679 --> 00:41:39,519
there are concerns at almost fifty eight
years of age, is this a sign

662
00:41:39,639 --> 00:41:44,519
of issues with Mike Tyson. We're
not doctors, but what else have you

663
00:41:44,559 --> 00:41:46,679
been finding out No, I mean
I just know what the reports were.

664
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:52,679
He had some nausea, he had
some dizziness. They said it was because

665
00:41:52,679 --> 00:41:54,360
of a flare up of as you
mentioned, some type of issue with an

666
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:58,840
ulcer. And so my thought was, you know, number one, Mike's

667
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:00,800
gonna be fifty eight years old.
First of all, I'm glad Mike's okay,

668
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:05,440
obviously, I mean that's the main
thing. But that's the got to

669
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:07,960
be is that's the serious thing when
you when you have to send out a

670
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:10,280
message on a on a flight like
that, if there is there a doctor

671
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:13,280
in the house. I mean,
they don't mess around with that. I

672
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:15,760
mean I don't do that exactly.
They don't do that rightly exactly. I've

673
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:20,079
traveled on airplanes, you know,
zillions and zillions of miles in my life,

674
00:42:20,159 --> 00:42:22,440
especially you know, all over the
United States and internationally for by boxing

675
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:24,960
events. I know you've done the
same in terms of you know, covering

676
00:42:25,159 --> 00:42:29,679
Tampa Bay Buccaneers and college events that
you've covered and that sort of thing.

677
00:42:30,159 --> 00:42:34,880
I have been on airplanes where there's
been people that have required medical attention.

678
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:37,039
There was the one, actually it
wasn't even that long ago where I thought

679
00:42:37,039 --> 00:42:39,760
we were gonna have to make an
emergency landing because the person was in some

680
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:43,440
kind of the rest big time.
It didn't come to that thing when the

681
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:45,960
person seemed to be okay when we
landed. But the point is, that's

682
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:49,719
a scary thing. And now you're
talking about Mike Tyson. It's scary just

683
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:52,400
as a regular guy. But now
he's, like you said, seven eight

684
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:57,679
weeks away from an actual boxing match
where a young guy twenty seven to twenty

685
00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:00,400
year old, you know, in
his prime, physically strong, big right

686
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:04,800
hand, perhaps a bit of a
novice in terms of his boxing, but

687
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:08,760
still very strong and has basically lived
a boxing in the boxing gym for the

688
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:12,360
last you know, four or five
years as he's you know, be come

689
00:43:12,679 --> 00:43:16,559
into the professional ranks. So you
it does give you positive This guy can't

690
00:43:16,559 --> 00:43:21,039
make it through an airplane trip,
you know, without needing medical attention.

691
00:43:21,559 --> 00:43:23,360
The aren't you concerned a little about
what might happen seven eight weeks from now

692
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:27,440
in a boxing ring where uh,
they're going to be having a professional fight.

693
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:30,599
You know, listen, it's the
Texas Commission's gonna have to ask a

694
00:43:30,639 --> 00:43:34,440
few questions, in my opinion,
and that's that's just based on what they're

695
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:37,199
talking about. In terms of the
reports about what his condition was, we

696
00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:39,800
don't know for sure what it was. I mean, it sounded like it

697
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:44,920
was serious, but not serious enough
to like, look, I can tell

698
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:46,840
you. Let me follow up on
what you said. I've been in this

699
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:50,880
situation on an occasion before, and
it was in the back of the plane

700
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:54,039
where I was flying commercially, not
with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. And those

701
00:43:54,079 --> 00:44:00,039
flight attendants are ultra trained, but
they're not usually medical people. They don't

702
00:44:00,039 --> 00:44:05,320
have a medical background. Now,
if someone, let's say, is having

703
00:44:05,639 --> 00:44:09,880
heart failure, heaven forbid, they
are trained in CPR. The flight attendants

704
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:13,840
we're talking about, they're trained in
how to use a defibrillator, but they

705
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:16,480
are not doctors. And in this
case, there was a doctor on the

706
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:21,280
plane that I was on. And
this stuff does not go on lightly.

707
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:25,719
If they're making that announcement, it's
because somebody is in serious enough dress if

708
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:28,920
they think they need a doctor,
and they may have to put the plane

709
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:31,519
down wherever they can put the plane. And in this case, he was

710
00:44:31,519 --> 00:44:37,239
about thirty minutes away in a six
hour flight from Miami to LA Again,

711
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:39,400
we don't know a lot that we
don't know, but legitimate questions have to

712
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:45,119
be asked right now by the Texas
Commission before this ever takes place. But

713
00:44:45,199 --> 00:44:47,880
do you like this tead? Forget
about Tyson being fifty seven to fifty on

714
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:52,760
Fight Nite. If this was a
in prime, top notch fighter that had

715
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:58,480
an episode on an airplane less than
two months before a fight, even that

716
00:44:58,519 --> 00:45:01,480
fighter, there'd be questions being asked
dress a guy that's you know, years

717
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:06,039
old and hadn't thought, by the
way, for nineteen years in terms of

718
00:45:06,079 --> 00:45:08,480
a real fight. Yep, So
it's incumbent. Now on let's check everything

719
00:45:08,519 --> 00:45:12,960
out. Let's see that everything goes
along. Every everybody wants to get paid.

720
00:45:13,079 --> 00:45:15,840
It's gonna be a spectacle, and
everybody wants to get paid get paid

721
00:45:15,519 --> 00:45:20,480
handsomely here. But let's see what
else they do with Iron Mike, the

722
00:45:20,599 --> 00:45:24,480
former undisputed heavyweight champion of the world. All right, So one more thing

723
00:45:24,599 --> 00:45:30,480
while we're talking about stripping fighters,
et cetera. Canelo Alvarez, the undisputed

724
00:45:30,519 --> 00:45:37,920
super but I mean, he's got
a purse bid scheduled here and the team

725
00:45:38,039 --> 00:45:43,239
for the fighter that we know very
little about, skull is his name Uh,

726
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:46,480
they want the immediate purse bid.
Canelo's not fighting this guy, ray

727
00:45:46,519 --> 00:45:51,199
Phiel, So this is this is
this is more about is he gonna get

728
00:45:51,199 --> 00:45:55,079
paid step aside money so that Canelo
doesn't get stripped with the IBF, which

729
00:45:55,119 --> 00:45:59,440
has happened before. As we've talked
about. Let's back up for a second.

730
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:00,760
We'll back up a second, because
you can't have came out it the

731
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:04,880
wrong way. The reality is we
talked about this in the last show.

732
00:46:05,159 --> 00:46:09,400
The IBF made the mandatory order of
Canelo defend the IBF mandatory against this William

733
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:14,960
Skull character, who is completely unknown, unloved in the boxing world, in

734
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:19,119
my opinion, has no real credential. Did fight on Canelo's last undercard a

735
00:46:19,159 --> 00:46:22,039
couple of weeks ago that was so
very deep on the show that somebody like

736
00:46:22,039 --> 00:46:24,760
myself that was hoping to get there
in time to see the fight to get

737
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:29,280
an idea of who this mandatory is
couldn't get there in time because I was

738
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:32,320
tied up with the Gervanta Tank Davis, David Benavide's card press commerce they were

739
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:36,039
having at the MGM Grant, So
you know, I didn't see the fight.

740
00:46:36,079 --> 00:46:38,039
I actually talked to some of the
people involved in the promotion who were

741
00:46:38,039 --> 00:46:40,800
interested to see the fight, and
they also were not able to get there

742
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:45,599
in time because they were dealing with
the Tank Davis and the Benavidea's pay per

743
00:46:45,679 --> 00:46:52,519
view card press conference. Anyway,
when the IBF makes the order, one

744
00:46:52,559 --> 00:46:54,039
of the things that are in their
rules is they give the two camps thirty

745
00:46:54,119 --> 00:46:57,519
days to make a deal. If
they don't make a deal, they order

746
00:46:57,519 --> 00:47:00,199
a person. But it is the
right of either side. They choose not

747
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:04,639
to negotiate, or maybe they start
negotiating, doesn't go very well and they're

748
00:47:04,639 --> 00:47:07,119
like, screw it. They can
ask for an immediate purspit and then the

749
00:47:07,119 --> 00:47:09,159
IBF will order the perspit. So
in the case of William Skull, in

750
00:47:09,199 --> 00:47:13,960
this case, they only went about
what maybe eight or nine days after they

751
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:16,599
made the order, barely a third
of the way through what the allotted timeframe,

752
00:47:16,639 --> 00:47:21,400
which was thirty days, and the
team for Skull was like, screw

753
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:23,599
it, let's ask for the person. So the IBF did what it's what

754
00:47:23,639 --> 00:47:27,760
it does if they followed their roles, and they set this person for June

755
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:30,880
sixth. So the question becomes,
why didn't they just play it out for

756
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:34,519
the thirty days and see what they
could come up with. Maybe they're just

757
00:47:34,599 --> 00:47:37,400
looney tune enough to think that Canelo
will fight them. I just don't see

758
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:40,840
that out. He's not fighting him. I mean, we know that he's

759
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:46,119
not the only way I could see
that fight happening is if Canelo was willing

760
00:47:46,159 --> 00:47:49,800
to take a huge amount of haircut
in terms of his money, which you

761
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:52,760
know, I doubt he's going to
do at this stage. Let me say

762
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:57,159
again, you like to swap me. He's not fighting him. He's got

763
00:47:57,199 --> 00:48:00,719
several other options. He's not fighting
him. So are we looking step aside

764
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:04,119
money? Which is what I was
part of my preamble there, is that

765
00:48:04,159 --> 00:48:08,159
what you looking at? Because otherwise
the IBF has stripped Canelo before, they

766
00:48:08,199 --> 00:48:12,679
stripped him of the middleweight title,
and he went crazy on Oscar de la

767
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:15,719
Hoy and his people when that happened
back in the late twenty ten. So

768
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:17,400
there's no there's no question that the
DIBF will do that if that's what it

769
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:22,000
comes to. But here's the thing. Even if he does make a step

770
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:24,039
aside deal, you know, what
are you stepping aside for? Are you

771
00:48:24,079 --> 00:48:27,000
ever going to fight him? I
don't know the answer to that. Now,

772
00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:30,239
one thing about it is he doesn't
have a promoter. Right now,

773
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:34,039
Canelo was a free agent broadcast free
agent in terms of his promotion, so

774
00:48:34,199 --> 00:48:38,159
he could theoretically work again with with
a PBC if they make a deal on

775
00:48:38,199 --> 00:48:40,320
whatever fight he wants, you know, if they can come to an agreement

776
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:44,800
on the numbers, and if they
did that, you know PBC would probably

777
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:47,679
accommodate the skull and put him on
one of those cards, because that's oftentimes

778
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:51,920
what goes along with these step aside
deals is you keep you pay the guy

779
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:54,360
off by giving him fights at a
high number to just say busy on these

780
00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:58,639
undercards. We if Canelo doesn't have
a promoter, who's he going to get

781
00:48:58,639 --> 00:49:00,719
to pay for that event when he's
not doing his own shows specifically. So

782
00:49:01,039 --> 00:49:04,599
there's a lot going into this.
So it's going to come to a head

783
00:49:04,599 --> 00:49:07,000
pretty quickly because by next week we're
going to know because the perspit is June

784
00:49:07,039 --> 00:49:10,239
six. Now, the one thing
that could happen and often does happen in

785
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:14,920
all perspits, not just IBF,
is that if both sides go to the

786
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:17,320
IBF and say, listen, where
we're getting close to something, can you

787
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:22,280
give us an extension. Most likely
the IBF would say absolutely, no problem.

788
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:23,559
They would put it off for you
know, maybe two weeks or something

789
00:49:23,599 --> 00:49:27,800
like that and let them have some
additional time to work on whatever they're working

790
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:30,840
on. So just because June six
is the date that was announced doesn't necessarily

791
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:32,679
mean that that's when it will take
place. I mean, this ain't my

792
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:37,679
first rodeo, but the point is
something with the IBF SUPERMANI whit title is

793
00:49:37,679 --> 00:49:42,880
going to come to ahead in fairly
short order. All right, say one

794
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:46,400
final time? Canello's not fighting that
guy? All right? Nostalgia? Time

795
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:52,239
to wrap it. And earlier this
week as we released this podcast, we

796
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:55,119
did not make mention of it coming
off of the weekend the twelfth anniversary of

797
00:49:55,159 --> 00:50:01,679
the passing of Johnny Tapia five world
title hold in three different divisions Hall of

798
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:07,239
Famer. I know you want to
commemorate this because you obviously covered this guy.

799
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:10,559
He was a warrior, He battled
demons obviously outside of the ring.

800
00:50:10,679 --> 00:50:15,480
So say something more here about man, it's hard to believe it's been twelve

801
00:50:15,559 --> 00:50:19,280
years for Johnny Tappy. Johnny Tapia, first of all, is a great

802
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:22,599
fighter, worthy Hall of Famer,
the kind of guy that would fight anybody,

803
00:50:22,119 --> 00:50:25,760
anywhere, anytime, and fought a
lot of a lot of good names

804
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:29,760
and won a lot of fun fights. Had a long contract with Showtime where

805
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:32,840
he fought a ton of fights on
Showtime. Highly entertaining, as adored in

806
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:37,239
his hometown of Albert, Quirky,
as any fighter is adored in their hometown,

807
00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:39,559
you know. Really had to love
and respect for that in community.

808
00:50:39,599 --> 00:50:43,239
Now, like you said, he
battled demons big time, had a lot

809
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:47,280
of issues, did time in jail, but was really more about hurting himself

810
00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:52,400
and doing things that were negative to
himself as opposed to other people. I

811
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:54,599
mean, he was suspended for a
while because of his cocaine use, you

812
00:50:54,639 --> 00:51:00,639
know, terrible, terrible drug problems
in and out of rehab. Yeah,

813
00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:04,639
I mean, here's here's here's how
how sad the situation was. On his

814
00:51:04,679 --> 00:51:07,360
wedding day. Teresa Tapia, his
wife with he has three children with,

815
00:51:07,679 --> 00:51:10,880
who was his manager also during his
boxing care really the rock of him.

816
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:15,360
Uh. The day they got married, she found him in the bathroom shooting

817
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:17,119
up drugs. And that's not a
good way to get off to a start

818
00:51:17,159 --> 00:51:20,840
of the marriage, you know.
And he had a lot of issues Throughout

819
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:22,800
his life. He saw his mother
murdered when he was eight years old,

820
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:28,239
stabbed to death with a screwdriver.
Thought his father was dead before he was

821
00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:31,239
even born, come to find out
many many years later that his father had

822
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:35,760
just been released from prison. As
he described it, if you ever read

823
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:38,679
the the autobiography that he has about
how he had uncles that would put him

824
00:51:38,679 --> 00:51:44,000
in fights against older and bigger kids
like and he says, I was brought

825
00:51:44,039 --> 00:51:46,199
up like I'm a pit bull,
I mean, just a rough life.

826
00:51:46,199 --> 00:51:52,000
But my interactions with him, and
you could ask a million people who knew

827
00:51:52,079 --> 00:51:57,199
him, or met him or were
around him in the in the those personal

828
00:51:57,280 --> 00:52:01,320
moments as sweet, as nice,
as kind, as friendly as you could

829
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:06,360
ever meet. You know, when
I've written and said things about Johnny Tappy,

830
00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:09,320
I've gotten like responses from people on
my social media. One guy wrote

831
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:12,199
to me about how he had met
him in an airport, you know,

832
00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:15,199
years ago, with his family,
and they talked for like an hour,

833
00:52:15,239 --> 00:52:15,920
and by the time they were done, it felt like they had known each

834
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:19,119
other for like year. He felt
like he'd been his friend for like ten

835
00:52:19,199 --> 00:52:21,519
years. I mean that's just the
kind of guy he was. I mean

836
00:52:22,639 --> 00:52:27,639
just a wonderful guy and a great
fighter. And there was a period of

837
00:52:27,639 --> 00:52:30,559
time where when he passed and I
went back and I reread the column that

838
00:52:30,599 --> 00:52:35,760
I wrote after he had died,
that you could make the argument that at

839
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:39,000
that time when he passed, that
the only two names that you could mention

840
00:52:39,079 --> 00:52:43,679
as the greatest junior bantam weights in
the history of the division which was created,

841
00:52:43,719 --> 00:52:47,159
I believe in like the nineteen eighties
was Johnny Tappy or a Chaosi Galaxy

842
00:52:47,159 --> 00:52:52,559
from Thailand. Now perhaps that's not
the true anymore because we've seen great fighters

843
00:52:52,559 --> 00:52:55,320
like Chocolatito Gonzales in that weight class
and do some big things, et cetera.

844
00:52:55,400 --> 00:53:00,719
But no matter what, he's certainly
among the Mount Rushmore monster in the

845
00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:04,079
present day. We get it.
It's as much later, right, So

846
00:53:04,199 --> 00:53:07,840
he's in that he's in that conversation
of the top you know, two or

847
00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:10,400
three or four in that weight class. And not to mention he also won

848
00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:15,960
world titles, you know, at
one hundred and eighteen pounds one hundred and

849
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:17,719
twenty six pounds when he won in
one hundred and fifteen. His big win

850
00:53:19,199 --> 00:53:22,480
was that gigantic rivalry fight against Danny
Romero. That was such a such a

851
00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:28,440
divisive fight in their community of Albuquerque, that over security concerns in large measure,

852
00:53:28,679 --> 00:53:30,920
they put the fight at the Thomas
and Mack Center in Las Vegas because

853
00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:36,039
they were so worried about what might
happen in terms of the ganging activity in

854
00:53:36,079 --> 00:53:39,320
on Albuquerque, New Mexico. But
just a just a great fighter. And

855
00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:44,199
uh, you know, and I
wrote about this at the time. There's

856
00:53:44,239 --> 00:53:45,239
a lot of times, you know, when fighters get to the end of

857
00:53:45,239 --> 00:53:49,119
their careers, they don't nobody wants
to see them get beat up and and

858
00:53:49,119 --> 00:53:52,239
and they say this guy should retire, and you know, he should call

859
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:55,039
it a day. The one fighter
I never, ever for two seconds said

860
00:53:55,039 --> 00:53:59,239
should retire. I thought Johnny Tapia
should fight for as long as he was

861
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:01,800
physically cap And he actually was on
a decent winning streak before he had his

862
00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:05,400
last fight, because he wasn't fighting
the elite guys, but he was staying

863
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:08,360
active. And the reason I say
that is because boxing was the only thing

864
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:12,880
in his life that gave him any
structure, right, that kept him away

865
00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:15,960
from the demons and the vices and
the drugs and that sort of stuff.

866
00:54:16,039 --> 00:54:20,559
So when he had some kind of
schedule or regiment that he followed. He's

867
00:54:20,559 --> 00:54:23,039
in the gym that sort of kept
him at least focused a lot of times.

868
00:54:23,039 --> 00:54:27,599
So my opinion was led, Johnny
tapy a fight for as long as

869
00:54:27,599 --> 00:54:30,159
he possibly can do it, and
I'm not gonna worry if he loses a

870
00:54:30,199 --> 00:54:31,880
couple of fights to say you retired, you know, you know, provided

871
00:54:31,880 --> 00:54:34,960
he wasn't getting to beat up,
which he never really did even in his

872
00:54:35,039 --> 00:54:37,679
losses. You know, Johnny,
you know, in five losses and Ocurre

873
00:54:37,719 --> 00:54:42,280
only got stopped the one time,
and he was just you know, at

874
00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:45,239
a great chin. And the thing
about it was never had big punching power,

875
00:54:45,559 --> 00:54:49,840
but still could go in there and
dazzle with his boxing skills. I

876
00:54:49,840 --> 00:54:52,960
mean, he was tremendous even when
he lost, you know, fights against

877
00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:55,000
Barrera late in his career where he
was outclassed, hung in there. The

878
00:54:55,039 --> 00:55:00,039
whole fight. Had two you know, epic battles with Paul Ayala that were

879
00:55:00,079 --> 00:55:02,559
you know, one was the fight
of the year, yes, legit,

880
00:55:02,599 --> 00:55:06,000
and then he had the other one. They were both very close, somewhat

881
00:55:06,039 --> 00:55:08,480
controversial, tremendous fights that he lost. But you know, that's kind of

882
00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:13,000
like Gaddy Ward, Like people sometimes
you don't even remember who won because they

883
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:16,039
were so good. That makes sense. So Johnny Tapia, yep, tremendous

884
00:55:16,039 --> 00:55:20,159
fight, all time great fighter,
and it only stopped literally like at the

885
00:55:20,199 --> 00:55:23,519
way way into his career, got
stopped one time by a juryman opponent and

886
00:55:23,639 --> 00:55:30,920
again taken too soon by years of
drug abuse. Heart failure claimed him in

887
00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:32,679
twenty twelve. So we commemorated that
from earlier this week, all right,

888
00:55:32,719 --> 00:55:37,320
as we released the podcast. Friday
is the thirty first of May. Here

889
00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:44,880
and Vince Phillips scored a massive upset
for the IBF Junior welterweight title of one

890
00:55:45,199 --> 00:55:50,119
Hall of Famer Costa Zoo. That
was twenty seven years ago May thirty first,

891
00:55:50,199 --> 00:55:54,280
nineteen ninety seven. What else is
remarkable, obviously besides the Phillips shocker

892
00:55:54,519 --> 00:55:59,239
that he beat a Hall of Fame
fighter, Well, Vince Phillips was a

893
00:55:59,239 --> 00:56:01,719
good fighter. Vince Fille another guy
whose career was probably cut short because he

894
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:06,079
had a lot of problems with drugs. He comes in out of that Pensacola

895
00:56:06,159 --> 00:56:08,159
area in Florida. He was a
big part of the Roy Jones camp and

896
00:56:08,199 --> 00:56:10,800
stable. Matter of fact, if
you ever watched the broadcast this was a

897
00:56:10,840 --> 00:56:15,760
main event on HBO's Boxing After Dark. Roy Jones was one of the commentators

898
00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:17,519
and Vince was close to him,
and so when he stopped. When when

899
00:56:17,599 --> 00:56:22,320
Vince Stoppedkasa, he hear Roy Jones
yell like cheering them us, yes,

900
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:24,519
like you know. Then he did
it big, big upset. But Vince

901
00:56:24,519 --> 00:56:29,159
Phillips had massive power in the right
hand. But the thing about costa do

902
00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:31,519
at this time, remember this is
I think sometimes lost one. But yes,

903
00:56:31,559 --> 00:56:35,519
he had the IBF title at one
hundred and forty pounds. But make

904
00:56:35,599 --> 00:56:37,760
no mistake about it, he was
being groomed and set up for a fight

905
00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:40,920
against Oscar de la Hoya. And
this is the fight that kind of killed

906
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:45,880
that because he had been on some
top rank undercards and they were bringing him

907
00:56:45,880 --> 00:56:47,840
along. He had come over from
Australia to fight in the United States,

908
00:56:47,840 --> 00:56:52,599
and he was absolutely on the dance
card for a future Oscar fight and then

909
00:56:52,639 --> 00:56:54,920
he got upset. Matter of fact, it was such a big upset when

910
00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:59,760
Vince Phillips knocked him out that in
nineteen ninety seven the Ring magazine called it

911
00:56:59,760 --> 00:57:00,920
the set of the Year, that's
how big of a deal it was.

912
00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:04,159
And Vince by the way. It
wasn't like he didn't take some damage in

913
00:57:04,199 --> 00:57:06,320
that fight too. He had a
big cutover his right eye. You know.

914
00:57:06,440 --> 00:57:07,840
On the cards, it was somewhat
close. It was a draw on

915
00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:12,679
one card at the time of the
stoppage. You had one guy ahead on

916
00:57:12,679 --> 00:57:15,079
one card by a point. On
the card of the stopage, you had

917
00:57:15,119 --> 00:57:17,039
another guy ahead by a point or
two on the card. So they were

918
00:57:17,079 --> 00:57:21,079
on their way to what was looking
like a split draw. But Vince,

919
00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:22,760
you know, he closed the show
a big time. This was a shocker

920
00:57:22,800 --> 00:57:27,760
of shakers. Kasazu was people thought
was gonna you know, he turned out

921
00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:30,280
to be a great Hall of Famer, but at that time, after this

922
00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:32,159
loss, it was sort of like
a big shock because the way he made

923
00:57:32,199 --> 00:57:36,480
himself a Hall of Famer wasn't what
he had done prior to the Vince Philips

924
00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:37,920
fight, even though he had a
you know, held the world title and

925
00:57:37,960 --> 00:57:40,480
won a few fights, but never
any kind of names. It was only

926
00:57:40,559 --> 00:57:45,639
after he regained the title, after
he made the comeback post Vince slips,

927
00:57:45,679 --> 00:57:49,159
that he then cemented himself as a
bona fide Hall of Famer with big wins

928
00:57:49,159 --> 00:57:52,119
obviously, you know, a nice
a nice run against some top names in

929
00:57:52,159 --> 00:57:55,559
that weight class, including you know, be becoming undisputed when he knocked out

930
00:57:55,639 --> 00:57:59,679
zab Judah. But this was that
big a shocker as you'll see. I

931
00:57:59,679 --> 00:58:01,400
mean, this is I'm trying to
think of, like what would it be

932
00:58:01,480 --> 00:58:06,280
like from today's time in terms of
upsets where you're just like totally shocked by

933
00:58:06,320 --> 00:58:12,000
what occurred. Nothing comes to mind
immediately on that. But again, upsets

934
00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:15,320
do you have, you know,
Andy Ruiz obviously in the in the present

935
00:58:15,360 --> 00:58:17,960
with the stunner over Anthony Joshua when
everybody thought that was a coronation, comes

936
00:58:17,960 --> 00:58:22,079
to mind, and this would be
level. Maybe it's not quite as big

937
00:58:22,119 --> 00:58:24,000
of an upset, but it's like
in the same level of chakra just because

938
00:58:24,039 --> 00:58:28,159
the guy wasn't given a chance in
the same way class you know, not

939
00:58:28,199 --> 00:58:30,159
the same weight class, I guess. But when when George Kimbos's batthe Me

940
00:58:30,199 --> 00:58:35,599
Lopez hm chakra of shocks, right, this was not quite that big of

941
00:58:35,639 --> 00:58:37,400
a shock, but it was still
like, oh my god, I cannot

942
00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:40,000
believe that. Then Phillips just not
castes you well, not even that he

943
00:58:40,079 --> 00:58:43,639
just won the fight, that he
stopped him. That was like blew you

944
00:58:43,719 --> 00:58:46,719
away. Love the nostalgia one more
piece. You and I have talked about

945
00:58:46,760 --> 00:58:51,000
this before I saw it on your
social media back on Tuesday. I don't

946
00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:54,360
want to accept that it was forty
two years ago that Rocky three was out

947
00:58:54,360 --> 00:59:01,719
in theaters nineteen eighty two for Sylvester
Stallone and Carl Weathers and we got introduced

948
00:59:01,719 --> 00:59:07,199
to mister T as clubber Lang and
we've now since lost Carl Weathers here.

949
00:59:07,280 --> 00:59:10,360
Mister T's birthday, by the way, was just recently, I want to

950
00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:15,559
say, seventy one years of age, still alive, a slice Stallone obviously

951
00:59:15,639 --> 00:59:19,159
still alive. But I know you
love to go on and on about rock

952
00:59:19,199 --> 00:59:22,480
and I love me some Rocky movies
and I loved Rocky three in the theater

953
00:59:22,679 --> 00:59:27,480
especially too. All Right, how
can I not put this on the rundown

954
00:59:27,480 --> 00:59:30,920
when it's the anniversary you said previously, and I'm going to tee it up

955
00:59:30,920 --> 00:59:32,639
for you. And what you just
swing away and blasted five hundred feet that

956
00:59:32,679 --> 00:59:38,599
it's the greatest opening ten minutes in
cin cinematography for the song that I had,

957
00:59:38,599 --> 00:59:43,159
the Tiger song and the drama of
him scoring all the knockouts, and

958
00:59:43,199 --> 00:59:46,159
we're catching up on Rocky's life posts
the apollo Creed Win in Rocky two,

959
00:59:46,519 --> 00:59:51,559
and we're seeing him. We're seeing
clubber Lang who's fighting in anonymity and he's

960
00:59:51,639 --> 00:59:53,880
angry and he wants a shot at
the champ and he's sitting ring siding.

961
00:59:53,920 --> 00:59:57,719
He never gets the shot at the
champ. It's kind of like ala Marvin

962
00:59:57,760 --> 01:00:00,280
Hagler, you know, not getting
the shot at the champ. Saw it

963
01:00:00,320 --> 01:00:05,360
all an. It's the juxtaposition of
him training in the in the basement doing

964
01:00:05,360 --> 01:00:08,000
the gun work, and on the
split screen he got Stallone is making appearances

965
01:00:08,039 --> 01:00:13,119
and getting mobbed by autograph seekers and
driving his fancy cars and on all the

966
01:00:13,119 --> 01:00:16,440
magazine covers and they're playing the song
and he's knocking guys out, and then

967
01:00:16,480 --> 01:00:20,599
club were laying is running the streets, getting in shape, you know,

968
01:00:20,639 --> 01:00:22,239
with the smoke coming out of his
nose and you know, looking to tear

969
01:00:22,239 --> 01:00:25,599
anybody's head off, like he's living
the life of a contender who's hungry.

970
01:00:25,639 --> 01:00:30,199
I the Tiger and Stallone is you
know, getting fat, dumb and happy

971
01:00:30,199 --> 01:00:35,280
on his accomplishments, and that juxtaposition
that sets the stage for this classic battle

972
01:00:35,440 --> 01:00:39,079
where he loses the title, his
trainer and manager dies Mickey you know,

973
01:00:39,119 --> 01:00:42,760
he's got all kinds of issues there. He loses, he gets beat up,

974
01:00:43,039 --> 01:00:45,440
and then you know, can you
come back and enter the great rival

975
01:00:45,480 --> 01:00:49,400
Apollo Creed, who says, you
know, I want to train you.

976
01:00:49,960 --> 01:00:53,960
Uh, but you got to give
me a brilliant writing and in the storyline

977
01:00:54,840 --> 01:00:59,199
because they were they were arch rivals, and now you're going to have Apollo

978
01:00:59,360 --> 01:01:04,199
try to hell help Rocky get what
back the eye of the time you had

979
01:01:04,199 --> 01:01:07,559
the eye of the tiger Man and
the uh and the doesn't have. The

980
01:01:07,599 --> 01:01:10,119
only time that ever happened, and
again it's not the same because they were

981
01:01:10,119 --> 01:01:15,960
not as bitter rivals is when when
in the last uh you know time when

982
01:01:15,039 --> 01:01:20,280
arturro Gott he was finishing his career
where his great rival Mickey Ward actually became

983
01:01:20,320 --> 01:01:22,880
his official trainer for the last I
think one or two fights. But for

984
01:01:23,000 --> 01:01:27,840
that to go in the you know, you would say that is classic Hollywood.

985
01:01:27,880 --> 01:01:30,159
So and Carl Weathers obviously looked the
part as a boxer. You know,

986
01:01:30,199 --> 01:01:34,639
there's the classic scene, uh you
know in the gym where he's you

987
01:01:34,679 --> 01:01:37,039
know, kind of slacking off and
they're training and sparring. I actually watched

988
01:01:37,039 --> 01:01:40,000
the clip on the Twitter today.
You put it, you put it out

989
01:01:40,039 --> 01:01:45,559
there on social media, the fame. I retweeted somebody. You know,

990
01:01:45,599 --> 01:01:46,760
he's like, what's the run?
What's the matter with you? You know,

991
01:01:46,800 --> 01:01:52,159
we'll Essentially Rocky is essentially having PTSD. And this is not the Rocky

992
01:01:52,199 --> 01:01:58,199
that beat Apollo Creed. He doesn't
have it anymore, or seemingly doesn't have

993
01:01:58,199 --> 01:02:04,760
it anymore. And there also with
that glove pointing at him, there is

994
01:02:04,800 --> 01:02:09,719
no tomorrow resonates even forty plus years
later, and mister t is like the

995
01:02:09,800 --> 01:02:15,320
greatest villain in the Rocky films because
you do you remember how Stallone found him?

996
01:02:16,320 --> 01:02:20,599
You know how Stallone discovered him?
All right? Stallone discovered him because

997
01:02:20,639 --> 01:02:24,480
there was some kind of competition a
reality show that NBC was actually doing in

998
01:02:24,519 --> 01:02:30,039
the early eighties where mister t the
entertainer name, did very well in the

999
01:02:30,079 --> 01:02:36,719
reality show as like a barroom bouncer, fighter athletic. And he saw this

1000
01:02:36,760 --> 01:02:39,880
guy and said, I think that's
my villain. That's my villain for the

1001
01:02:39,920 --> 01:02:44,840
third fight. If it's not aside
to that, one of the one of

1002
01:02:44,880 --> 01:02:49,639
the ways that mister Tigue became involved
in Hollywood, and that I don't know

1003
01:02:49,679 --> 01:02:52,360
if it was Rocky related, but
it was certainly. Other things that made

1004
01:02:52,440 --> 01:02:55,320
him famous was he was his agent
for a long period of time. Who

1005
01:02:55,400 --> 01:03:00,119
he remained close to for many,
many many years was the late promote or

1006
01:03:00,199 --> 01:03:04,960
Dan Goosen. How was his guy? So anyway, uh, everything,

1007
01:03:05,079 --> 01:03:08,320
mister T got the pro wrestling stuff
with hul Cogan. Shortly thereafter he got

1008
01:03:08,320 --> 01:03:15,119
the Smash Team weekly drama, the
A Team on NBC. So it was

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01:03:15,400 --> 01:03:21,519
everything on this Fight Everything movie.
Everything about that movie is awesome. Thunderlips

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01:03:21,599 --> 01:03:25,039
with the with the charity thing with
right right, I mean, and and

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01:03:25,079 --> 01:03:30,519
the story was so perfect. And
then of course I got trivia for you

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01:03:30,639 --> 01:03:32,840
ray Field. He wins the title
back obviously, I know, he gets

1013
01:03:32,840 --> 01:03:37,280
his revenge with Apollo helping him.
I got Trivia for you, you know.

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01:03:38,599 --> 01:03:40,880
And then they do the scene at
the very end of the film where

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01:03:40,920 --> 01:03:44,679
he collects what's this, what's the
favor I have to give you? And

1016
01:03:44,719 --> 01:03:46,800
it's him to go behind and close
the doors because Carl Weathers, you know,

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01:03:46,880 --> 01:03:51,800
Apollo can't deal with the fact that
you beat me by one second.

1018
01:03:52,280 --> 01:03:55,880
That's very hard with a man of
my intelligence to accept. Yeah, classic,

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01:03:57,000 --> 01:04:01,159
you told me by the way accepted
it relied in the in that scene

1020
01:04:01,159 --> 01:04:06,239
you've got that that massive Lee roy
Neeman painting of what's supposed to be Apollo

1021
01:04:06,360 --> 01:04:11,199
and Rocky in that final scene where
they go to throw the simultaneous punch,

1022
01:04:11,480 --> 01:04:15,719
that that is an actual Leroy Neman
painting that the great artist painted that Stallone

1023
01:04:15,760 --> 01:04:18,760
has in his less Yes he does. All right, I'm gonna hit you

1024
01:04:18,840 --> 01:04:24,519
with one last bit of trivia before
we are gone. Do you realize I

1025
01:04:24,559 --> 01:04:30,559
know you keep saying that to me, the first one, Rocky is the

1026
01:04:30,599 --> 01:04:32,719
greatest one of all time. I'm
not saying that Rocky three isn't good,

1027
01:04:32,800 --> 01:04:36,199
and I'm not saying I won't watch
even forty years later. I do watch,

1028
01:04:36,800 --> 01:04:42,920
just for me. It's Rocky trivia
time. Do you know what song

1029
01:04:43,119 --> 01:04:48,119
Stallone wanted and didn't get for the
beginning of Rocky three? What very famous

1030
01:04:48,159 --> 01:04:54,159
song he wanted and couldn't get permission? Are you ready? Well? I'm

1031
01:04:54,159 --> 01:04:59,199
I'm glad he didn't get it because
Baby Still Loane contacted the management, the

1032
01:04:59,239 --> 01:05:05,360
promotion and Freddie Mercury because he wanted
we will rock you. Okay with the

1033
01:05:05,480 --> 01:05:10,800
Rocky part of it, he wanted
we will rock you to be essentially the

1034
01:05:10,800 --> 01:05:15,199
theme of Rocky three. And guess
what Wayne and Freddie Mercury said, No

1035
01:05:15,360 --> 01:05:19,760
thanks, go Pound Salt mate,
No thanks. They did not know you

1036
01:05:19,840 --> 01:05:27,239
have him permission to use the song. And meanwhile, Survivor essentially wrote the

1037
01:05:27,280 --> 01:05:30,440
song around the movie The Eye of
the Tiger and the rest is history.

1038
01:05:30,440 --> 01:05:35,000
How about that one, brother Rayfield. Listen, great script, great movie,

1039
01:05:35,039 --> 01:05:41,159
great acting, great music, great
everything. I was actually rewatching that

1040
01:05:41,239 --> 01:05:45,000
opening montage thinking about how hard that
must have been able to because they had

1041
01:05:45,039 --> 01:05:48,519
to shoot so many things to put
that all together for a total of literally

1042
01:05:48,519 --> 01:05:50,679
about seven minutes. I mean,
well, I shouldn't say that, because

1043
01:05:50,800 --> 01:05:55,119
the first three or four minutes is
actually the very end of Rocky two when

1044
01:05:55,119 --> 01:05:57,239
he wins the title. No,
but I mean there's a good seven or

1045
01:05:57,239 --> 01:06:00,519
eight minutes where they're setting up the
whole clubber Lange and the song and all

1046
01:06:00,559 --> 01:06:05,119
of it. Rockies. Now,
Rocky's now intelligent, Rocky's well spoken,

1047
01:06:05,199 --> 01:06:10,199
He's a businessman. He goes from
being illiterate to being a you know,

1048
01:06:10,239 --> 01:06:14,400
a guy brokering multi million. It
is Hollywood. It is Hollywood, but

1049
01:06:14,440 --> 01:06:16,400
you gotta admit. As we close
this podcast out before I go on my

1050
01:06:16,440 --> 01:06:19,559
Alaskan cruise vacation with the family.
And again, if this is my last

1051
01:06:19,599 --> 01:06:24,599
podcast because the Kodiak Bear took me
out, make sure Rayphiel says good things

1052
01:06:24,599 --> 01:06:28,880
about me in my absence from here
on out. You gotta admit I came

1053
01:06:28,920 --> 01:06:32,760
strong with the title song was supposed
to be if Stallone had his way.

1054
01:06:32,840 --> 01:06:35,840
They made the offer, if Stallone
had his way, it was going to

1055
01:06:35,880 --> 01:06:40,880
be Queen We Will Rocks. How
about I said, I'm glad. I'm

1056
01:06:40,880 --> 01:06:43,239
glad that that did not work out
because it would not have gotten High of

1057
01:06:43,239 --> 01:06:45,000
the Tiger, which is, forty
years later, one of the most iconic

1058
01:06:45,079 --> 01:06:49,159
Ringwalk songs. You hear that music, do you think of one thing and

1059
01:06:49,199 --> 01:06:53,559
that is rocky? You think of
it immediately. So I'll tell you it's

1060
01:06:53,559 --> 01:06:56,360
funny about that. So when I
travel on the trip, like when I

1061
01:06:56,400 --> 01:06:58,519
go to Vegas, I have my
iPod. I listened to it on the

1062
01:06:58,519 --> 01:07:01,079
airplane, and I have I have
that among the zillions of songs that are

1063
01:07:01,079 --> 01:07:04,760
on my iPod, And there are
times where I'll fly out to the fight

1064
01:07:04,800 --> 01:07:08,599
and I play that and I just
take it on like repeat and listen to

1065
01:07:08,639 --> 01:07:12,920
it about five six times in a
row love it. There you go forty

1066
01:07:12,920 --> 01:07:17,519
two years ago with the release of
Rocky three. With that, are we

1067
01:07:17,679 --> 01:07:24,599
ready for the five versus Five?
Dan Rayfield, Wilder Jang headlining very deep

1068
01:07:24,639 --> 01:07:28,840
card. Again. We have already
broken it down on the bet Us boxing

1069
01:07:28,880 --> 01:07:31,440
shows, so go back and watch
what we did earlier this week on their

1070
01:07:31,440 --> 01:07:36,159
platforms YouTube, Twitter, Twitch,
et cetera. Once again, once more,

1071
01:07:36,480 --> 01:07:41,679
no recap podcasts on the feed.
I'm gone, I'm not available.

1072
01:07:42,079 --> 01:07:45,960
I'm hopefully back. God willing off
the cruise to Alaska. Long way from

1073
01:07:45,960 --> 01:07:49,119
Tampa Bay, Brother Rayfield to get
up to Seattle and get up to Alaska.

1074
01:07:49,159 --> 01:07:54,719
Hello on the same continent. I
will report back a week from now.

1075
01:07:54,840 --> 01:08:00,119
Everything being equal on the Big Fight
Weekend preview for next weekend. If

1076
01:08:00,159 --> 01:08:03,840
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1077
01:08:04,159 --> 01:08:09,159
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1078
01:08:09,519 --> 01:08:12,400
They get your social media, they
can get your thoughts on all of

1079
01:08:12,440 --> 01:08:15,880
this as it unfolds. With that, have a great weekend and I will

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01:08:15,880 --> 01:08:18,680
be back in touch at the end
of next week when we get into the

1081
01:08:18,720 --> 01:08:24,319
preview mode. Next week. Dan
Rayfield all else good Yes, sir,

1082
01:08:24,359 --> 01:08:26,840
I hope you enjoyed the cruise.
Thank you, my friend, and we

1083
01:08:26,880 --> 01:08:30,520
thank you for listening. For following, Subscribing Apple Screakers, Spotify, you

1084
01:08:30,600 --> 01:08:34,439
get these podcasts a big fight weekend
preview that you've been listening to. Enjoy

1085
01:08:34,479 --> 01:08:38,760
the five versus five and everything that
happens there. We're glad that you have

1086
01:08:38,840 --> 01:08:43,439
been with us for Dan Rayfield.
I'm TJ Reeves. Enjoy the fights.