Hello, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome back to the final X Men Animated
series retrospective. I am the muty geek trast. Now I'm joined by I'm
mister Kirkland Kirkland Petzer. I am the right hand trolled illness on you next
to feel There you go, ladies, gentlemen too. At the time when
we're recording this is January eighteenth, we had started this retrospective last year on
January eighth, so a year and ten days. It is actually the second
longest retrospective because me and Tamiman we did Clone Wars that was a year and
a month, so it has it beat by a couple of weeks. But
still this is a very long you know, also makes it I actually I
forgot. I guess I should go back and get the stats. And our
Spider Man retrospective, I was gonna say, because that had what a couple
more seasons or I had this had a very short season, so yeah,
maybe a similar amount, but just had more episodes consistently. That one was
tough though, because I think we took quite a few breaks. Sometimes a
Spider Man retrospective there's a couple like month long, well we were waiting for
Kyle, and then Kyle never showed and last three episodes they dipped out.
You know, Oh my god. But we made all through, all of
us, each and every single episode. So that's the thing. Luckily,
it depends on you look at it. We don't have a date for X
Men. That's why this retro was planned this way because originally it was,
well, it's going to be January February this year, and as of right
now it's not, but it's supposed to be I think right now March or
April, so that gives you time if you see this, and I don't
think you would have jumped to listen to this one, but for some reason,
we're just like, oh, you're already at the end and you listen
to it. Now you wonder what's next. Well, probably got some Patren
stuff that we've been cooking up. We're definitely gonna do like an X Men
ninety seven predictions and stuff. But if you've missed any episode, or if
you go, oh, I want to start watching it now when I get
a date. All those episodes are here, I would probably recommend if you
want to get them all, go to the review feed. They're all on
the main feed, but the review feed, they're probably much more easier to
find the years warth because there's lest episodes on that feed where this is.
You know, there's usually three to four episodes a week. So yeah,
thanks everyone that did listen to them, and we are here to talk about
the final five episodes of season five. So, Taylor, you said you're
feeling a little a little sad, I don't know, a little melancholy with
this ending. So what do you feel about? You know, we're gonna
go episode by episode as usual, but what did you just feel is these
final five is a sendoff to this retro that we've been talking about, the
show. We've been talking about for over a year now. Yeah, it's
it does not feel like it's been a year hot to Molly, but I
will say that there is. Yeah, there is some sentiments that have kind
of formed out of the finale, and I feel happy to say too,
Like even I feel like Julie had a really really good episode that I quite
enjoyed here and the finale kind of caught me off guard. It's not what
I was expecting to happen. And I'm excited to talk about that finale episode
because I think there's some interesting things regarding it, but all in all,
I think it was just a very Yeah, it was just a very calm,
quiet kind of thing. There was nothing kind of over the top,
nothing huge and game changing. It just felt like, yeah, this is
this is where we are now. It didn't feel like they ran out of
ideas, but it definitely felt like, Okay, they're definitely kind of like.
It didn't. It's it's calm, like, Okay, it's super chill
from like our other story arcs that we've hit and all that kind of stuff.
But yeah, even the animation, which was weird at times, but
it was I felt like it was definitely better than before. And it's just
funny how the first few episodes of season five just was it was it was
done one way, like it felt like like we talked about how maybe this
was like season one stuff that they did, and they just like scraped these
episodes or whatever and then threw it in for a season five because the animation
changes there. But it's it's weird because the start of season five it feels
like they backtracked the animation and the animation changes to like something completely different and
new, and yeah, but anyways, it was hard disagree. Yeah,
I was gonna say that the finale is dog shit, like it's really bad
face, Like they recast her in this, she looked completely different. She
got canceled my head. Oh yeah, I think these pographs, I guess.
Yeah, you can see the animation, yeah, tears. Yeah,
I'm yeah, I'll go quick because I'm just exactly opposite to it where I
feel like they were out of ideas and it's just like a lot of pussy
footing around and the episode from six on it just gets worse and worse quality
wise as far as the animation, I think there's some fun stuff here to
talk about, and I do appreciate that the last episode is like a finale
in a sense because talking about the Spider Man retrospective, that's the shittiest thing
is that episode is like it's like spier Man has to go save MJ and
we never know we saved her. You know, it's like it's out there
in the ethos. So it's like I like that there's a full circle.
We'll get there. But uh yeah, these are these are very mid tier
episodes that if they're not the final five, that did give them like a
special oof to them, So what'll be you doing? Yeah, I'm definitely
more on your side of it, Travis. I mean, I agree that
animation quality wasn't very good. I think the episodes here, I don't know,
it's just it's just weird to put these at the very end of the
last season. Like, to me, there's some good ground to be covered
here potentially, but it just feels like ill placed, I suppose, and
ultimately, just yeah, I think it's pretty hard to follow up, especially
how they ended so strong with that last season with or season four, rather
so to go in here and it just kind of feels like they went out
with a whimper. In the last episode, it just feels like a bit
rush, and there's a couple of nice moments, but overall, I was
pretty I don't know, I was let down by these last five, but
I also had very little expectations off of one just the first half of the
season, but also Travis helping set those expectations throughout this whole retrospective. So
it was pretty weak for me, just a batch of some pretty poor episodes
in general. So yeah, it's an unfortunate way to end it. But
obviously it's not the end, because we're we're coming back with ninety seven at
some point this year. So I'm glad we the time into this is nice
that we can end here, maybe have a couple month break, and then
come back and hopefully be stronger than we were in this these last ten.
Yeah, Kirkland, where you we heard a bit of your thoughts. Yeah,
I definitely noticed the decline and just like the animation quality of like certain
certain like walking animations, they just felt so stiff and like it's almost like
Marrow Wind characters walking, you know, no disrespect, like certain characters,
the way that they walk. They just kind of reminded me of some moments
on this But this is definitely a weird string of episodes, just a weird
season overall, and it really just feels like The Adventures of X Men or
something like, not like attached to like an actual storyline. She's just like,
let's just let's just like together. Yeah, like something like that.
Not too crazy, but yeah, I mean, I guess there's a couple
episodes in here that that get wild, especially the episode six, the first
one that we'll talk about. But I think the fact that it gets so
weird, I actually enjoyed it in some weird way, like there is still
some things I have issues on issues with, but yeah, actually that is
a good comparison with the what If because like even just you know, minor
spoiler before we're about to talk to it, like Troll Wolverine, like I
never would have thought of that character ever, and Marvel sixteen hundred episode,
like we just gone what If pretty much pretty much. Yeah, So like
some things like that, it was actually kind of fun to see and just
see Jubilee with like the elf Ears and just like this it's almost like they're
like a D and D campaign or something. But like with these X Men
characters, so that weird aspect and some other character pairings and and origin I
just was not expecting to have here in the second last episode of it.
It was just a very strange string of episodes. It's definitely like, you
know, bittersweet as we're getting near the end of here, because it's it's
just been a ride that we've been on. Fortunately, you know, we
do have ninety seven coming up, so the end is never truly the end.
So but yeah, I'm curious to see just how I feel over because
I feel like I don't even know exactly how I feel like about these episodes
and until I talk about them with you guys, because there is a lot
of things I have issues with, but they just kind of went for it
in some weird way that I'm somewhat respect and also kind of am glad that
I got to at least see it on there. But a weird, weird
final season for sure, But who knows. Maybe if this was like season
three or something like these strings of episode in season three, I would have
completely forgot about them. But the fact that like it is the final season,
I think it just has a little bit more of an impression on me
and will be a little bit more rememberable memorable. But yeah, that's why
you can see many of us were excited by the announcement, because you know,
we still got four seasons of great stuff, so it's not like,
oh, we don't have anything, but it's nice to maybe have a higher
note. But let's start off here. Episode six, Jubileese fairy Tale Theater.
Jubilee leads a group of school children on a two or a cave on
mansion property, only to be caught in a cave. Oh sorry to be
caught in a cave in as the water of the cave rise is, she
keeps the kids calm by spinning a medieval fairy tale of knights, princesses,
trolls, and dragons. Some of these characters might just seem to resemble the
X Men. As she tells the kids these stories, the real X Men
arrive and save them. So one I just thought it was real X Men.
Yeah, the reax then I just say, really saved the day.
Though, Is that is that what happened? I don't think so that's what
Wikipedia things happens. But I like, I don't know which We've not seen
this cave before, so maybe people have done this. It was just odd
that like at one point something breaks and they kind of get their like their
path obstructentally just kind of like, oh, yeah, happens all the time
here, Like it just felt very nonchalant. I I don't know, you
probably just could have sat them at a campfire and just done more stuff in
the past. I don't think we needed anything of Jubie with the kids.
I appreciate seeing Jubilee like in a teacher role or guardian role. Now,
as we talked about I hope that happens with ninety seven that they don't just
agre down again, like I want her to be, you know, more
adult like, and she has been this final season. She's been more part
of the team and we get more of that later, So I don't I
liked that aspect, and I do have a good time with this. We
talked about we just did the I can't remember what the what was the actual
name the what if episode? But it's like I kind of too, yeah,
like it I forgot about this episode. This just mirrors that. This
is just sixteen oh two pretty much with the X Men, So it's a
fun time it again. That's where I feel like this episode. I enjoy
it, but it does feel like for me, they were out of ideas.
It's like, what do we do well? What if they were in
medieval times? And it's like, all right, but some cool imagery.
Magneta looks fucking badass in this. Yeah, like the Metallics. You've been
loyal, but go away now, like whatever the hell he says. So
I like, I like the episode is like just a kind of bottle episode
by itself, just on like Jubilee. I It's weird because I feel like
throughout the whole show, Like there definitely is moments in certain seasons that she
just kind of is not there, like not present at all. And if
you look at the overall I guess chronological order of the show, like in
general all the seasons, like you do see some growth with her in here,
but like for me, I just felt like the star of this episode,
it's just like season one Jubilee of like she's not able to go see
the president and she's just like whining like a little brat, like are you
kidding me? I don't get to go do this like you treat me like
a kid. So that was just kind of it seemed very like succinct I
guess is the worst, but like I think it's just like her attitude as
well. It's just it reminded me of that early Jubilee of like yeah,
like like some of the toilet for a second in that line because she says,
why do I have to do? Like what's she talking about? Like,
oh, watch the kids fair enough, but no, I'm tired of
plunging the toilets. I'm complete with you, Kirklan. I feel like this
episode just character development lives would make more sense to throw it into maybe season
three or something where she feels like she's established her ground a little bit,
and then they're still treating her this way. But I feel like, truly
in season four, we got to a point where she kind of elevated to
a point where she was on that main team level, so it felt And
also like the cave thing, like it doesn't it's not really that impactful,
but it still feels weird that we're getting this revealed that there's this massive labyrinth
cave underneath the X Mansion. Like both these things feel like plot points that
should have been established a few seasons ago, and it's like, why couldn't
they have done it? Because it's such a one off, random episode,
it doesn't really matter what happened directly before or after. So it does feel
like a weird timing for it, But I'm all for it for the just
fairy tale element of it, Like of course that's just super fun to see,
yeah, and that like I guess if like Traves, you pitched like
just doing a campfire sequence, Like I guess there is her being a bit
of a guardian here is just a campfire. Maybe she doesn't have a moment
to kind of use her powers to stop the flood coming. But I just
found it so strange. Every time it's like, kay, kids, just
stay here for a second, and she'll like run around the corner. Oh
shit, Tsunami's coming. Get over of this freaking cave. Like there's no
sense of urgency from her that she like goes around the corner. Okay,
kids, back to the story. I'm like, this is just so strange,
like this decision here, but the kids didn't even care though they were
so captivated by its true her storytelling skills. When the X Men show up,
they's just like, but what happened to our heroes or whatever? You
know, Like they don't care they almost nearly died. And then I know
who you are. You're the troll. I love that Gambit is given the
role of the fool in this because like he looks like in a bit right
with his his I don't even call it a mask and his helmet, like
he he kind of has that appearance. Then also character whise, it makes
a lot of sense. So that was a that was another fun pairing.
And then Xavier as like he was like a weird a weird combo. But
I'm like, all right, I guess it kind of. I guess it
kind of fits the all knowing Exaber whatever it was, stupid name they give
him. He's just a floating be But yeah, I think I think it
works for he's the guyance right, and he has these big, big powers,
so I kind of bought him being a bottom being a genie, you
know, or for me, Wolvering perfect casting is the troll. So I
don't know if he was a genie. Wasn't he like the most powerful sorcerer?
Yeah, he's like that, looks like he did look like a generic
genie. Yeah. What will you take more about this episode? I,
I mean, just to echo them also what you guys have said, But
I mean I genuinely liked it. I like that she's come to this point
now of just not being that like the kid that she was the kids that
she was telling the story to. I think that this should have been a
version of herself that appeared sooner in the show and not in like the last
of like the few episodes of the whole series. That's kind of unfortunate because
this is definitely a character that I like more. But again, seeing her
development and seeing her grow into this more leadership kind of role. Is that's
huge, and that's pretty fantastic. But at the end of the day,
as the X Men saved her, she couldn't get them out of the the
wherever this dangerous fucking No she does though, right because she busts through the
rock at the end of the day, which gets them out of the cave.
Right did she bust I thought it was yeah, because I thought it
was a team on the outside. No, that was something I really liked.
Actually, is they timed it so like Jubilee like taking down Magneto,
Like when she goes for that fate that's final strike. That like times up
perfectly with her smashing the rock wall or I don't know, maybe she's using
her power. I forget exactly what she's doing, but she busts through and
I really like that kind of editing. Colmbo there she's best X Men character.
And there's somehow just right outside the cave in this random part of the
field, like who knows how far it's from the X Men or the x
mensioned entrance at that point, but they're all just standing there, like what's
going on in there? I just don't know if, like I wouldn't trust
my kid to go to this school of the gifted with these mutees. Well
lots of them, but lots of them didn't get their parents and trusted a
lot of them just to like get out of here, fucking freak, like
they have nowhere to go. Some of these kids, right, are the
kids mutants? I just thought they were just kids on a field trip.
Geologist nerd want them they have time to just look after regular kids because they
were going back to like their regular old I thought it was just like your
regular school trip. But then now you mentioned I swear one of the kids
had like red skin, like not just like pasty, but like they were.
I thought they were mute because it's weird, like I'm gonna refer back
to or refer into some in the future. But it's like they just randomly
drop in the finale that no one ever knew Charles Xavier was a mute,
and I was like, oh, that's something, so that's our I was
like, maybe you could be right, Taylor, they're not they're normal kids.
Maybe they're not, maybe they are mutine and I don't know. I
took it as they are mute and kids, and these are other students,
because it just feels weird of like, why would you really just have to
stay back and walk just some normal, non mutant kids, Like they could
wait to do this another time. I don't know, it just that's why
I felt like, this is this is something they'd stick with. Jubilee.
Yeah, you watch the regular kids, Julia we go do saving the world
stuff. Geez. But I just the episode was exactly, as you said,
a weird like a prequel to sixteen oh two almost in a weird way,
but the same vibe, same theme, And I loved it. I
love seeing everything in this alternate world. And I thought it was a great
idea just to kind of calm the kids down and just seeing how she stayed
calm, because if I was in that situation, it would be very alarming.
And she just was like nonchalant about it. So she handled it like
a fucking pro. That'd say she got a little lucky too, yes,
oh yeah, but they didn't just drown, but could have happened, could
have happened anything else on this episode. But what was the name of the
crystal that they had in here? Again? It showed up before chron chron
Crystal. Yeah, I like how they weave that into the story and just
kind of like paralleled like a story that we've already done. And then of
course just like the fantastical medieval spin on it. I like how it wasn't
just something entirely brand new, and obviously there's familiar faces throughout the story,
but I like the overall I guess plot of the story that she was telling.
There I feel retelling of the Phoenix force again, like in the back,
you know, yeah exactly. I did laugh so hard though, when
you have Gambit that's running from the Magneto's metallic army, and then he just
like comes across these two farmer looking individuals with their with their cart, and
he's just like he's just waving his hands around, you know, he's wearing
like just these these grubby garbs, like you know, from their perspective,
this guy is just a complete lunatic. He's like, the clankers are trying
to get me. You gotta hide me. He's like, if you don't,
the rebellions doomed, and they're like, okay, get in the hay.
And then of course he gets just caught right away. It's like you
gotta help me fight. He took so long to explain the situation. It
was such a chaotic moment, but I just laughed so hard. But like
they have never seen this guy before, and then by the end of it,
they're just like in arms with him fighting these metallic robots. Like it
was just it was just a really funny sequence of events that have you laughing.
Yeah, that's other than that, that's the last thing I really have
to stay on this episode. Yeah, not much for me. I think
it was like it was fun for the visual element, but narratively, like
x ment team wise, there wasn't really much a chee on for me here,
mm hmm. Anything else, anybody go once, going twice, We'll
give a thumb up. That's a fun single thumb yep, I'll go middle
give one one firm thumb, one firm thumb number seven, Episode seven,
Old Soldiers Wolverine things back to the time where he won during World War Two.
Uh, he teamed up with Captain America wolver Catch. American must break
into a Nazi establishment to rescue a kidnapped scientist, Andre cat Tuo. How
we saw said his name yet? Yeah that sounds better and fight the red
scrawl red skull s, right, not the red scrawl scrawl super red skull.
So what do you guys think about this? I'm not were you spoil
because I'm not sure was the thumbnail thumbnails cap? Okay, yeah, as
soon as I saw it, I got really really hyped hitting into this one.
Ye did it deliver you? There? His finger up? I'm curious
what I was just saying. Okay, I this was This was very anticipated
because of the thumbnail. Like I just I'm like, man, like,
this is gonna be super super hype. We got we got the World War
two era cap and Logan like this, this Parian is is crazy and Logan's
in this just like noir outfit almost where he just got like his his burglar.
He's like a wet bandit almost with his garb in here. I I
had a lot of fun with this episode, but I also just think it's
like I had a lot of fun for just ridiculous reasons on like certain things
that were going on. This was the honest Like, up until this point,
I didn't think the animation was that atrocious, But this episode really really
just shined through of like this is where I was talking about like the weird
stiff walking. There was so many sequences when you had two characters just like
waddling along like the road, it just looked so strange to me. We
had a lot of funny close ups with certain characters, just a couple of
shout out when we get there, but uh, like a lot to kind
of, i don't know, maybe be nippicky and rip apart. But also
just like the pairing of having Cap in there with Logan was actually lots of
lots of fun for me. The end of the episode had me hysterically laughing
for just what happens with Logan in the tube because like, the whole story
pretty much these last five episodes are just like people telling a story, which
is kind of funny, but yeah, like the whole episode's just standing and
like in so much anger of this individual, and like it's not just this
one episode that he's been feeling this way, like clearly since World War Two
when when he when he missed out on this guy, Like he's just had
this utter hatred for him. Like one person shows up, explains the thing
to him, and he fucking writes here on his tomb style Like that was
just so funny. We had Logan with a nutshell. We Logan with like
clip on claws that was just so so funny, and you have yeah,
you got cap that's wearing them at some point. But I was kind of
jumping all over the place there because this episode is pretty weird. But uh,
yeah, I I did have a lot of fun with this one,
for sure, Darry did you apparently you didn't see any animation changes because you're
crying the whole time. So other than that, what do you think of
this episode? Yeah? I didn't have I didn't have an issue with the
animation for this episode, but you high, you high what I was gonna
jump to Kirk and just the fact that Logan is just fucking spitting on this
guy's grave, just Harris, He's just in Paris to spit on this grave.
Vacations I'm finally, No, after four years he does a vacation.
He just desecrates graves, just visits soldiers who were pieces of ship that he
knew. Just I wish you were noll, you know. I mean,
between not getting InVID to the BSTRO and this guy turning on Logan like he
was just having a fucking horrible, horrible time in Paris. But yeah,
yeah, just I I did not realize Captain America was in this. I
did not see the thumbnail, so he going in and just seeing him in
here, I was super excited. I was again, I was not even
expecting Red Skull. Red Skull's little armor suit just got fucking bopped. What
a piece of shit that was said much time building and hyping it up.
He didn't show his quality in this episode. Red Skull, you know,
no bopped a lot. You know what. It sucks too because we do
this whole time with X Men or other stuff, but specifically X Men,
we're like, oh, man, can't wait till you get the MCU,
see what they do with them. And I almost did that with Red Skull.
I was like, oh, I can't wait till the Red School gets
the MCU. I'm like, oh no, We're like we got our Red
Skull and was just like, man, it just sucks. Such a great
villain. I feel like in so much media that's not comic books, he's
just he's not not the top tier villain you'd want to be, you know,
but oh well, yeah we move. I mean even it was just
the way that he had Logan and Cap just harnessed out. I love that
it was like medieval time torture devices just strung cav up and stuff that just
kind of made me laugh. But the way Logan is like, oh,
you just need your shield paraphrasing why did you say bub And he does this
super flamboyant, unrealistic just way of getting the shield, and it's just he
kicks it and it freeze Captain America. But I would have liked to see
a little bit more from Red Skull. He leaves all of their shit right
there for them. He's like, what's coming up next for you? Guys?
You should be more worried about than he leaves the room. I don't
know. And there were so many goons here too. I feel like like
we've seen lots of guys with guns before, but it was just it was
just a different a different light, because I know we've been we've been in
the past to the future, but just being this kind of part of time
was something new and different. And Yeah, I just really liked it.
This is a fun time, nice film. I think I'm more mixed on
this one than you two so far. One. I just don't think it's
like the concept is great, and I saw that thumbnail. I was expecting
him to see there. It's cool to have Cap in here because he also
has an appearance just the ones since Spider Man, right, Travis, is
it just that one episode or it's a multi part okay, Pi? Yeah,
So it's fun to have that kind of connectivity between these shows as well.
I like that element. So yeah, I don't I think that the
concept is filmed, but I just feel like the execution of it wasn't quite
as great. And honestly, I just I don't like the lower element of
this. I don't like that this is now canon to this show. I
don't like that Wolverine was like crushing Nazis in World War Two, Like,
I think we have enough backstory for the character. I don't think I needed
this, So I didn't really like that part of it. I had in
my notes for this one that this this felt like a what if episode as
well, and I kind of wish it was in that way that it could
be not can into it. I mean, obviously it's uh, it's in
here now, It's here right at the end, So it doesn't have a
huge, I don't know, a huge effect on the rest of this show
or anything like that, but it's still and now was gonna be in the
back of my head, I guess going into ninety seven and whatnot. So
yeah, I'm not quite as hot as you guys are on it, but
it's still you know, there's some there's some fun stuff here either way.
Yeah, I'm I think I'm in the middle, but like higher middle.
I enjoyed. I think I wish they they just cut out the whole.
This guy's a fucking coward. I'm gonna shoot on his grave thing, like
just have like see someone see a poster of Captain America and like, oh
I knew that guy, and get right into capin Wolverine because I don't have
a problem with the can and stuff. I like it. They've done this
in Colm books. I think when the MCU reboots, they're gonna have Captain
America like whoever the new CAP is. I think they will interact with the
Wolverine. I think they'll have a wold you could do a fucking World War
two movie and have Captain America and Wolverine. I think they're gonna pull that
trigger. So I like the concept. I've like obviously been sitting with it
more for years. I just wish there was more time than together because they
meet up, it's very official meeting, and then they get captured, so
it's like half the episode, maybe less than half, that they're actually together.
So I kind of just wish from frame one like, oh, maybe
you know, set up the story, and then frame one they're together and
they're kicking butts. So yeah, I found it's like a good version of
Cap, but it's like I want a bit more goodie two shoes out of
him, and which is a lot of fighting, but it's it's still a
fun time. Yeah, Like most of my opinions are kind of what these
guys already said. Where Red Skull comes, it seems pretty he appears,
it seems like like we're gonna get something really cool here. He's just kind
of like a measily like any like he could be Trask or he could be
Saber two Sun like like it doesn't have the impact. So I kind of
wish this was maybe like a two parter because I know what two parts we
have again, in parts one to five we had the Failings and Storm Front.
Yeah it was both the Failings and storm and I would definitely one episode
of Failings and then give me two part of this because then I think you
could give just more depth going on there. But I still enjoyed it.
I enjoyed the interactions we did have, so it's like a fun little bottle
episode again. But again, this again feels like brend ideas, what have
we not done with Logan's origin? Well, we can't do anything because we've
touched on every character, We've done weapon X. Well what if we go
to the pass and I can't. I think at this point in comics it
was probably established that they I know they have interacted, but I don't know.
In comics, I think they established that happens. So I just feel
like they went into a vault, like, Okay, what from Wolverine's past
have we not touched? Well, he bumped into Captain America ones and like
cool, and yeah, it is cool, especially because there are so many
times where we just see heroes like in quick flashes and that it. My
pitch for the two part would have been, is do this part make it
a little bit better, And then part two you have cap in present day
with Wolverine and you kind of refer back or that's how you set up the
Oh I knew this guy that Captain America needs Logan's help for something. He's
you know, WEAPONEX is starting again and a Red skulls back because, as
Dylan said, the X Men Inspierman show have the same timeline and Captain America
is there in present day inspirement, so he is around at that time.
So that's what I would have preferred. But what I got here was like,
this is good. It worked out for me passable because I saw a
Cap in the thumbnail. I honestly I thought that was Cap in the grave
when Logan was just like this son of a bitch, I hate him so
much, and I'm like, man, what is gonna unfold here in this
flashback episode? This is so interesting one of Logan's girlfriends did he hook up
with? You know? Because I almost thought that too, because I was
like, this is weird because in the University of Stash Cap is alive.
I'm like, Okay, maybe they weren't paying attention. I'm just like especially
because like oh this man, I'm like, oh, he's just gonna be
talking about Cap and then he's like, yeah, this piece of shit.
It's like, oh, what have you see a name too? Like on
the tomb someone like man, they changed like Steve Rogers's name. This,
this is so weird. I do rewind rewind because I'm like, that's not
like I don't see Steve Rogers. Was like, that's not Seve Rodgers anywhere,
and then uh yeah, like you pointed out your opening. Kirkland just
such a random thing that he meets his daughter again with his daughter, it's
so odd too. And she's like, oh, you have an age to
day. I like myself. He's like, you're looking pretty good there,
darling. She didn't look like she did age in my opinion, I know,
I thought she was a mutant there. I'm like, what the hell
is They threw a red riding hood hood on her to be like, oh,
she's old now. So it was so odd, like oh, let's
go get a drain dialand and like and then one second and especially because it's
her dad, and like you said, Kurklin, so cheesy that he goes
in car and it's not like the grave was like soldier father wasn't like turncoat
who turned his back on the country. It would be different for some reason
if there was some gravestone or tombstone and just was a lude like this guy
was a trader to America. Yeah, exactly right, but it was all
like still good things. The fact that he didn't even ask his daughter.
Wolvering just took on himself to Hero and that's all you can think of Hero,
just like man Logan's still got some fucking issue with the smartest guy.
I feel like he was gonna carve something on there no matter what, Like
you know, if you didn't know he was a guy, and like,
yeah, imagine if he would have carved like a piece of ship trader and
then this daughter get that story that Uh yeah, I don't know who did
that. Yeah, I think savor Tooth was around here and he was messing
with this grave. I try to sop him, but you know, he
got like three slashes, like so clearly. Yeah, and like I would
have just like to saying that you need to put Hero his daughter. Wud
been like why did you just desecrate my father's tomb? Like so we we're
very weird masculine, sexist type of choice by Wolverine here, But you know,
I found it funny with with the daughter. I feel like, why
does every like French Woman animation, I have like a mole on the side
of her happens all the time, but for what I for a reason like
in this probably because they were just like wanting to have the frame the opposite
way, Like her mole would move from her left to the right side of
her face like multiple times. So I don't know. I guess they just
had to flip flip the frame because it looks better one way or the other.
But you can't do that when you have a bowle on their face because
it throws off that seems like don't trust before Season five has that kind of
thing. Yeah, anything else on When Red Skull captures Steve Rogers and Logan,
there's this one shot that goes to Cap like I swear it's three times.
It's at least two times, but definitely I think it's three times where
he like says something it's like I think you have grad to concerns now Capitan
or what the hell he says, and it just goes to Cap and like
it's like a close up and he's just like he's just like shot face.
If you have no idea what I'm talking about, it's honestly worth to go
back and rewatch it because it is just such a funny, like they throw
it back to that same shot. Like I think it's when Logan's like trying
to give him the shield, it goes to him again. He's just like
like he just looks like such a fucking duf this It's it had me laughing
so hard in those moments, like it happened frozen. He frozen before he
gets to the big freeze, you know that moment too. I think I
think it was Wolverine who was like tied up, like floating there in the
sky, right, and he like has the shield in between his legs,
swings to get some momentum, flings it, ricochets it off a wall,
shatters the rope that I was holding him up Like that is insane level level
of accuracy with his legs with the shield in mid air. I was.
I was very impressed by that shot. Strength, thigh everything. Yeah,
there's a reason he was a top a crew for X Force, right,
you know, like that's that's a that's a man right there or mute and
uh just fucking doubling up again on the clause. That's just something that I
find it so funny. It's almost like they made this story and then they
forgot that, like this is before he went through the whole WEAPONEX project.
They're like, okay, we got to explain how he has these claws,
so it's like, let's just do attachable ones. It's just it's so stupid
when you think about it, too, because it's like the super per tragic
thing that Logan goes through that like he never wanted but then you know,
he's just had these knives and he wished he had the Yeah, one day,
I'm gonna great, I'm gonna I'm gonna carve Hero and theone's gray with
these Yeah, like all X me Meania does, like comics do that.
It's one of my least things in Days of Future Pass when Magneto Young Magneto
Faster meets Wolverine and he shows him his claws and he's like a shame they
weren't covered in metal. They have no idea what he's gonna go through some
fucking metal surgery, but just happens to be like, imagine if those are
in me, It's like, we get it. He's gonna get metal clause.
We understand, like he's the most he's arguably, next to Spider Man,
the most popular character in the Marvel Universe. You don't need to make
cracks or like you just give them the bone claws, like just says that
to everyone in any context ever, that what was covered metal go bit too
matter if your cards were metal. Imagine that you stolem what if you could
have nothing for storm? But there you go. Yeah, you don't want
to. I found with the clause too, because they the reason they play
pulls Hi mount and he gives cap pairs like climb this mountain. But like
the logistics are weird. Dude, think that they put them on to like
stab them into the wall and climb up that way you do. But they
weren't they I don't understand how it was supposed to help them climb the wall,
putting it just against it ever so slightly so I guess you're stabbing into
it and then you're using your entire left side your body just to hang on
for dear life, and then you have to like and then jump and do
it again. But yeah, they weren't stabbing it in. They weren't stabbing
it. Literally, it's like these just going like this like Spider Man,
Yeah exactly. That's where it's like, well, how is this works?
I guess it's digging in. I don't know, but yeah, usually you
need two claws. But yeah, well they're supposed to be uh like this,
I think right, like climbing clause, which they were not. I
mean they were more like these things, but that's not helping you climb anything.
Is that the Jedi that's Taylor's home. I don't know why, because
Logan he gets upgrades, he gets Yeah, that's gonna be in a what
if episode? Just here, imagine that Wolverine clause but little lightsabers that just
go like you ready, Oh, I'm telling you man, I can't wait
in ten years when both Marvel and DC are just fucked and nothing hints.
It's like, well we're gonna have to cross over. Yeah, and then
when we do get stuff like Wolverine, Lightsaber Claus and those WEF episodes,
it's coming one day. One day, they're gonna get desperate and like,
what can we do to revitalize this? You know? I mean X Men's
already under Disney, right, so they could do it. Don't stopping them?
They do, they could they just have both Faii and Kathleen, Like,
no, we have no interest in going that route, you know,
because I think even some person asked, like what just even like an anime
movie, which I just don't even understand. Yeah, why would you just
do a fucking animated movie just that this is nothing canon, It's just gonna
be a long wef episode. No, No, we don't want to do
that. It's just like these are dummies, dummies just make cash in make
the money, you know, or Lego like matching a Lego game, Marvel
and Star Wars together, like come on now right, sick yep. A
couple other things. One I really like at some point Cap and Wolverine like
jump into a hate cart and use that to escape, and I swear it's
the exact same hay cart from Jubilees fairy Tale. So I like that they're,
you know, if they're really scrapped for cash in this last season,
they're like, oh, we got to reuse some of our art pages they
go through, They're like, oh, hate cart, let's grab that and
drop it in here. Another thing that really made me laugh is when that
kid, the kid is somewhere in France gets caught for stealing bread and then
you know, a Cap Woll, We're gonna forget what has saved the day.
And the kid like gets his loaf of bread or he's trying to run
away at first, and he just biffs it on a garbage can and I
just like died laughing at the animation of that. I just it was so
unnecessary, but it really added added to the moment. He's a loyal uh
frenchy too. He's like Viva lerizauce that resist the front, just going off
look and drawing more attention to himself. That kid's not gonna last hay stack
nearby. Yeah, yeah, that's all for me. I think that's all
for me. Last thing I think of just when the two Germans were just
freaking out popping off and Logan's on the on the roof and then the bird
flies by whatever it was. I didn't understand, Like they're point too,
because it's like if someone's up there, you better, you better come out,
we're gonna start shooting. It's like he's like around the corner on the
roof, what are you gonna do, like go upstairs and like try and
find a waiting on the roof. It just didn't make sense. And then
they see a pigeon, like, oh, what if it's an American spy.
Oh very weird, very weird moment, but exactly how the war went
if you look at your counts. So they got fooled by a lot of
birds. The thumbs up for me, thumb up, that's definitely a thumber
for me. I'm gonna go something and a half. WHOA for the animation.
That's why Yeah. Hidden Agendas Episode eight, Sam Grithri's parents Gut three
kinda still stick with Sam. Sam parents have contacted Professor Xavier, but their
son's mutant power see tear back to the school. They're getting new students now,
so that's why I thought those kids the field trip, you know.
But Roe goes back to the self to check things out and find Sam living
the life she never had. Family and friends support the young cannibal, but
Rogue must teach him how to how the rest of the world lives with the
shadowy Army officials attempt to use or sorry, are attempting to use the youthful
mutant. I didn't care for this episode. I I unfortunately, I feel
like when Rogue gets spin off stuff, it's either a banger with like Nightcrawler
her reveal, like the Mystique stuff for how we get the Captain Marble stuff,
or it's like her boyfriend that turns into an alien, or it's like
there's like another one that happened last season I can't remember, and this shitre's
just like when it's just rogue centric stuff, sometimes it can just go really
poor. And I just did not care for this. I got enjoyment at
this purely from like it's so bad it's good. That's where I got the
names of the music geek from. But like the idea of like these mute
bullies or these bullies sorry, bullying the mute in it's like weird subplot of
they think he's like getting it on one of their girls and just like see
she's a two timer with that beauty freak, and just like it was just
again went to random episodes. At least with all these other episodes so far,
I could see, like, okay, a fairy tale episode Captain America
and Wolverine h even for some reason since the it's like, okay, he's
been a villain, maybe you just want to die in that backstory. This
just felt very odd, and just especially with Cannibal, like he's a fine
mute but just I don't know, it's it was all of a miss for
me. I got a couple of notes, but not much to say about
this one because the whole time I was like, this is one I don't
remember, and I now remember why, so I'll follow up on you because
I completely agree. This was a total dud for me. It just it
felt like retreading ground we've treaded a million times. My first note here was
just this is a classic racism episode, and that's that's exactly what it was.
There was really no nuance to it. We have We've had so much
of that in this show. That's obviously what a lot of the mutant stuff
that they go for here, but this one just didn't really have any nuance
to it, and it was just like classic, like so Southern American,
you know, racism sort of situation. It was pretty uninteresting stuff. And
I didn't really care much for Cannonball here. Mister Sam gotthree not not a
character I was too pleased to see here. He's kind of just a bit
boring. So yeah, I really just once again, I always look at
my notes and that's always my indicator of how interesting an episode was. And
there's not much too to discuss on this one, So definitely a big dud.
Give that ball rolling. Yeah, this is a super dud for me.
I uh, super dad. This was just really not interesting. Honestly,
I feel like, right at the hop, I was just shocked by
the animation change on Rogue. We slightly see her earlier on in this season,
but I think she's like in the back, like she doesn't even see
anything, so I didn't really get like a clear look. Right at the
hop, I'm like, did they change her hair? Did they change like
everything about this character? She seems so strange. Seemed like even her jacket
was like a different color or something, like they like most characters look pretty
much the same, but like for her, she just looks so different,
which I mean like she had the same voice, so I definitely could hear
the Rogue that I've grown to love and know, but uh yeah, just
I think even just her, even her dialogue, it just seemed although like
the voice was the same, it just seemed like a different type of character
that like I've really been enjoying throughout these whole seasons, so big light down
there, and yeah, it didn't seem like anything new and not even like
a a good telling of something that I've already seen before. It just seemed
like a lesser version of a previous episode that I had already seen. Like
there's been especially even for Roke. I feel like there's been I don't know
what season it was, but like another instance where she goes and like talks
to like a like a new mutant type character, and it just seemed like
a like a B tier version of that episode that I'd already seen. There's
a couple of funny moments of just like funny things going on, not for
like a good story, just ridiculous. But overall, this is definitely one
I think I'm gonna forget very soon. I liked the back to our roots
kind of vibe that this episode had. I liked it was it was simple,
and yeah, it was just it was a good time. I liked
how outrageous it was when the guy through some shade at our came our our
boy in questions name, but Sam got so fucking pissed and he just like
one hundred and twenty speed just goes down the freeway to this guy's truck almost
kills him, like makes the truck go into a garbage can and all that
shit's the thing though, that I feel like was the most off putting for
me was I think this is when I first noticed Gambit's voice actor changed and
I did not like it. Yeah, there's definitely either change or the actor's
voice something happened. But yeah, it was definitely change because he does not
sound the exact same. And I would prep everybody as well, because the
vin in ninety seven a lot of them have changed. Some have come back,
but not everybody, So get ready to maybe adjust your brain a little
bit. I thought it was like an entire recast. I know Wolverine's back.
I think Rogue is back. I think there's a couple, so that's
I mean, I think it's kind of a mix, right, Yeah,
I know Jubileeze got a new voice. Yeah damn yeah so that yeah,
just I didn't like that. Didn't like the voice change. I missed.
It's not it's I miss the other one. But overall, like I said,
yeah, it was a good episode. I don't know why I don't
like the new voice. I had a question, so, Bait, this
is because of that reading that Wikipedia synopsis of this, So what was Rogu's
connection to these people? Was there a backstory of how she knew it was
just because they were just they were Southerners, and she's like they can't they
can't resist a Southern girl, or however she says it, well, not
like that, but she very weird though. It's like a sixteen year old
boy like yeah, like like that's literally how it sounded the way that she
described it. And then Gambit Gambit said something like Gambit says, and then
you know classic whatever, Roach like, oh, yeah, the old guy,
you know what I mean, they go on vacation. Yeah, it
was on vacation from you. I think that's actually pretty much what it was.
It was just strange because like I've I've had great dialogue between those two
and this was just like not even bt. It just seemed like so bottom
barrel, like z rate. It's like, guys, we've done this better
before, Like why are we doing a worse version of that? But on
a me, that was that was. Yeah, that was confusing to me
because especially what you were saying earlier, Travis of No One in the like,
it's not a known fact that Charles Xavier is a Newton, right,
and it's like this established thing. So I was very surprised that going back
to this episode, like so Rogue is famous or like these random mass people
who wouldn't really be up to date on like news know who Rogue is,
but people don't know who Charles Xavier is. So I don't know. That's
where I was like, well, maybe it does make sense if there is
some connection with her to these actual people, but she grew up nearby or
something like that, because uh, that all was very confusing to me.
I think it's like Taylor just said there was a Southern connection, and it
was just Okay, this is what my life could have been. Even though
I don't like that because he is still bullied, he is still going through
a tough time, you know that loser in the unish your shirt kicks kicks
his ass, you know which, Again I kind of like that it's a
good it's a happy accident, but I like that it's a parallel to today's
universe for people. All He's argued like the worst people adopt the Punisher logo,
and I thought this was like a good sign up of that. Like
of course the mutant, you know, Bully is like that's the guy who's
wearing the punish logs, Like, yeah, Frank would hate this guy Sam
like whatever, screw so and maybe a happy accent there, but yeah,
it's a very I would I liked it more if it's kind of like again,
they were stressing, especially with ninety seven coming up in there being a
whole team like hopefully some graduates or something like that. If the season was
okay, Xavier's getting Jubie to watch his kids because he wants her to grow
rogue, No, you're gonna go out there and start recruiting people because you
got to step up. But it wasn't that. I just kind of felt
like she heard about it, fell back into it, and yeah, I
don't know what Xaviers will get into Xavier about this mute thing. But uh,
I guess the X Men are famous because I guess Exavier stays back to
the mansion and they go out and kick ass, right, so mm hmm,
I guess that's why. I guess that makes sense. And speaking of
that, like the I think the entire squad was sent out to deal with
these bad guys here. I just felt like that was maybe a bit of
an overreaction considering we've seen much stronger villains only get like two or three X
Men sent out to dispatch them, but in this case, they're like,
no, we gotta get the whole squad out there. The other thing I
found funny in this episode was like the bullies were beating up cannon Ball and
they're like this muting's not much of a physical specimen, but he's like fucking
jacked. I'm like, I don't know what you're talking about here. He's
he's ripped to the nines and he I mean, I guess they haven't really
seen his power. Well maybe they hadn't explicitly seen his power at that point,
but I just felt like, man, these I guess they're established to
be stupid characters, so it makes sense. But they do beat him up
the one time, Like one time, he's just on the ground like like
writhing in pain, so they do like it's true, but I do feel
like he still is ripped as like most characters are in these animated shows.
But yeah, I guess he's just not mentally tough, you know, or
he doesn't have the skill he did say physically, but I don't know.
Yeah, it's like that video that's going around this week with like the superjack
dude from the gym and then a guy who's like just toned, and he
beats him in the arm wrestling thing. You know, it's like that situation
where they think Sam's just like the Jack guy, but he's weak technique wrestling.
Do you guys have the numbers Cannibal's power. No. I just think
it looks really weird and uninteresting. I've never cared what is it like?
He just flies, It's essentially like Iron Man's Like it looks like Iron Man's
flying, but just like his lower half. It just feels like we've seen
so many fires characters like Human torch or or I think his name is Pyro,
and then there's like Starfire and all these different people, and it feels
like at some point they just run of ideas, so they're like, okay,
let's slightly change up how his fire works compared to others. So his
official abilities are jet propulsion and creation of protective blast field while in flight.
What a lame fucking mutant you know? Sorry? Read that second one again.
Creation of a protective blast field while in flight. Blast field was also
in quotation marks. I means that like Jubileese right, just sparkles. That's
confusing. I take jubilees I'm wondering if you look up like like at least
like I could make those powers rock with a look you know. Yeah,
I'm just trying to think that second power. I'm trying to think if that's
just like how how Wolverine like can't have his claws without the healing or else
he would just like deal damage himself. So I'm wonder if that's what that
second line means, Like he can just protect himself protect when he's flying.
Yeah that fast, because like he can only do that part when he's in
flight, So he can only do the protective barrier when he's flying that he's
on the ground not blasted off. He would just up. Yeah, if
he hits a bird midflight, like that would do damage. You gotta have
that barrier. Oh yeah, an airplane engine just like murders thousands of people,
takes out every plane on his flight path. I kind of forgot Taylor.
You you and I review? Were you in the New Munes review?
Right? I was? I guess No, I don't think so I was
not. Yeah, Charlie Heaton, who's in Stranger Things, that guy who
plays like Mike's Brothers, So he played Cannonball and Nubians. So there you
go. I completely forgot that as I'm seeing it there. Why did I
see that if it wasn't on the Rezeo, I don't know. He probably
felt left out and you want to be a part. I don't know.
No, you mightn't remember being forced to watch. I didn't like it.
I know you and me went to the West Side Travis to go see it.
Yeah, you weren't there, so I just feel like you would.
You probably watched it for Anya Taylor Joy, Let's be real. Yeah,
maybe that's why I watch half the movies I watched. Apparently made it into
the Avengers too, So there you go. I think he's coming to Marvel's
Snap like next month, so he's literally having a run here. Get the
man back at you. If they say which powers would you pick? Would
you pick the fucking you're flying around? Or Julie is probably flying? Probably
flying? It's really like is it flying? I guess it's flying, But
it's like you could fly with people too, right, Like they would get
the barrier you just like carry them. Well, I would take someone I
don't like so much just to test it and see how that would be the
worst. Like it's Spiderman thing like, yeah, let's fly together and you
blast off and you just fucking burn the neck or something. Well yeah,
jeft propoulish in Yeah, like you just fucking incinerate them. Right. We
have the barrier though, right, so like everything would be protected for you
just around definitely not just grabbing her takes. Rogue could inherit that ability,
but then she can also just fly on her own, so it's not very
useful. What are you picking, Dylan. I've never really understood Jubilees powers
because we had that one episode where she just erased graffiti with it. So
I feel like there's more to her powers that we don't really know about.
I feel like, why can't she like blast it underneath her, like float
herself up in the air and fly on her own because and she went on
more with Apocalypse at one point. Is Cannonball gonna went on Apocalypse? I
don't know. He's the guy that's possessed by Apocalypse dirt Off thousand per Yeah,
Cannonballs horse, Yeah, I gets asking my cable. I think by
default, like flying, that's always been like my go to. I want
to be able to fly or like telekinesis, so I mean, I'd probably
go with this, even if it's the weird propulsion version. Yeah, yeah,
I know for a fact you're picking Cannibal. No, honestly, you're
such a Jubilee hater. Now look at this crying at her episode. You
want her powerubes, No, this is the grand scheme of things. I
feel like those powers would be much more beneficial, Like I like Gambis powers.
I feel like that's not a question though, similar to Gambits powers,
but just she doesn't need me. She can just shoot them out of her
hands. You can use them in the bedroom. It becomes a very sexual
thing. Stimulate simular simulation, stimulation not simulation. Yeah, these are on
fireworks going me, these are caught, Like really, I just wanted to
see what her actual name was, so her her last name is Lee.
I only know that because in that episition, students were like missus Lee,
missus Lee, and I just thought that was a thing, like, oh,
they're just short. But yeah, her name is Jubilation Kirkland. I
also forgot about that until until they said that if I could, if you
guys could take any of the X men that we see in this show's powers,
I would take probably a storm, I think because once again I can
fly, and then I can do a bunch of rather cool ship. I
can call the winds over the eternity upon my enemies. The idea voice for
it too. Yeah, you gotta have the voice I think I got as
as long as it's like later seasons Gene Gray, that's what I'm going with,
or if Exavier's powers don't get him in a wheelchair. But I'm I
want the mind control of mind reading. I think that's a goat to your
power and everything. So yeah, and I would know every he's a villain,
bring on the fucking phoenix. Okay, dyal like this way because everyone
jumps to the villain thing. Yeah, but like what I would go.
I would go into where I work right now and just go to my boss
and say, you're gonna pay me what I make weekly for the rest of
my life. But you're still gonna go to work and you got those super
power No, no, no, Taylor, No, look I got frozen
by the Talgons. Okay, no, I'm gonna go there at the first
Let's say, Okay, I wake up, I have I like, oh,
like that face I just made. I'm now okay, I got exavior's
power. It's like cool, whatever, I'm gonna go in for my first
day. I'm gonna go to my boss and I'm gonna use the you know,
the thing that the two finger point of doom, and I'm gonna say,
hey, you're gonna pay me what I make for my job for the
rest of my life. But I don't have to work a single day.
And yes, Travis, that's the type of stuff I do. I'd make
it so I don't have to work at things don't work at like the worst
place though, because I feel like in the healthcare feeling, that's just kind
of mean, like why don't you go do that at like tax dollar something
like someone will get my position, they'll fill it everything. It's just that
I'm on Southad And just by the fact though you're still taking tax dollars,
you take a taxi, can you take like can you go to like work
on Amazon or something? And then and then sure, okay, I'll call
it off group meeting. We'll do. It'll be the greatest after nine ever,
it'll be Travis Scott superpowers. What do we do? Okay? And
then we have you on the Patriots. You guys give me ideas we delete
the episode forever. Yeah, sure, I'll go to Jeff Bezos. I'll
do that. I'll go to fucking crime lords with blood money and like that's
where I would get the money. I wouldn't be like now you are controlling
you. I'm not gonna be fucking kill Grady from Netflix. Like I would
take money from people that you know. And so that's a good example into
your health. Yeah, I probably need it. So, yeah, Jeff
Bezos build, I think I could get paid a lot of money for being
storm though and having storms powers. Wow. He disagrees so much that he
just you make it rain and in certain areas of drought, if there's like
a hurricane coming through, I can go stop that. I can save the
day. I'll put a ransom out there and give me two million. I'll
remove this hurricane. Here's the thing, as we saw Xavier five seasons,
no one knew he was immune. You if you get the like Victor Creed's
or what or not? What's his son's name? Was it, Jibediah Creed?
What the hell is? Probably? Yeah? Whatever? No, Dad,
like that guy, you're gonna get Oh, I don't like that stormfucker.
He controls on a No, it's me that voice of like Krick and
said, they're gonna oh that's for his podcast, famous for this, but
yeah, that's my always my power Telconesis mind reading. Why don't you say
you trust me? I feel like I give any good case for the good
things I would eventually do. I wouldn't trust you in my mind. I'd
wake up be like, where the am I? What? Am I button
naked? I lost the call duty again. I wouldn't need your skills?
No, what was I gonna say? Just no? Anytime he tried to
lie nowadays like oh yeah, I watched that trail and I just like this
calm ot you know, But he's like, oh yeah, I'll be there
finally settle the debates on who ask for the thumbnail, who didn't do the
thumbnail when they were asked? And that's what he doesn't want, because I
could I could be like, friends, look at this vision, and then
you can go with Magneto's power. I'm getting fucking helmet on. Yeah,
every cat sorry, And it's the one too where it's like you can just
see his eyes pretty much. It's just like it's just like showers and Taylor's
eyes. Just yeah, I love Moonnight season two. So I mean,
we know the trailer was all right, we should probably get back on track
at some point, but we gotta know who Kirk Taylor, you picked Jubilee
and then you picked Gambit, Like, is that your final answer? If
you have the whole team to choose from, if I have the whole team
of shoes from, is it just like main X Men Rosters, there's a
moarf guy he wants to play, I'd probably I'd probably go Beast. I'd
love to just that's actually not surprising, but it's not. But like you
want to just look like a blue, hairy animal because he's not smart because
his powers. He's smart because he went to school and everything. Smart already
very smart though in my opinion, thank you. I just love being like
being the blue and just being the Beast. I don't know where you are,
yeah, I was gonna say, I don't know where you are in
the rankings of cryptid podcasts. But if you look like Beast, you would
instantly shoot the autograph signings. You could do the live streams like speak only
in riddles like Beast. In the last couple of seasons here only quote quote
I quote podcast, I can just quote steal their content for the main roster,
So morphs in that kind of I feel like morphed Absolutely, that's okay,
Taylor. In my opinion, that's what I was gonna say. Do
you think there's something wrong with me picking Magneto Kirkland thinking thinking of picking more
sorry Xavier, him thinking about picking morph that's even more sust than mine.
He's gonna turn to Madison and just fuck you right up. Oh my god,
don't say that. Okay, Okay, not moreph than not more.
He's going to turn into someone else you're scared of, Taylor and just like
haunt you for a little bit, just turning to Madison. Kate, Taylor
me. I would love to see I would love to see a podcast though
of Kirkland, just like Morphine into us to like have a full conversation.
Yeah, the patrons do, like I guess who it is? Like we
put two Dyllan's on there and say which is the real one. Oh,
that would be good. That could be fun. That's definitely tricksy for the
content. For the content, Yeah, without being called just a pervy guy,
I guess I could go moreph. Yeah, he's for sure logan would
be a good one. You know. That's the thing immortality that I have
to go through, like the whole X twenty three process. Absolutely, you
gotta lose silver Fox. You gotta every time you see saber Tooth, you
motherfucker like you just kidding and you Kio or whoever is you gotta lose Interests
cap or wherever that guy's You gotta lose all these Shade graveyards every year too,
to just fucking be mad. That's Shade has to marry this guy and
continually pick him over you for the rest of your life. You know that's
you have a very strong sense of smell as well, so that's another bonus
on that one. But you're in You're you're almost immoral. You'll live for
thousands of years. That's where it's like Wolverine's past. I love Wolverine,
but I've never want like I don't want metal Clause. The healing thing is
cool, but like the immortality, that's like a pro and con because it's
like there is proSP but it's like do you want to see her own die?
Like I think I think it starts good, but in the the first
thousand years could be good. But the last thousand years I think are really
tough on you. I think it's not good. It's certainly very haunting power
too, because I feel like even if you like get a family or whatever,
you just have like a night tear and your cross your claws just like
come out and you could just fucking stab someone. Yeah, just sleep in
a straight yeah, yeah decision. I feel like if I had the whole
roster, because I was doing some digging, I feel like I would definitely
take Domino's power, Like that is just the ultimate one to have, just
like because like it's explained, not just that she's luck right, like she
can actually alter like the probability field like around and depends where you're looking.
But sure you can go with that. That's pretty op in my opinion,
I'd pick, if you have the whole field, that pick Omega Red.
No, I'm joking. Is he still in that submarine? He is?
Maybe? I hope we see him in nineties. I can't wait for our
Predictions episode, so we better get him. Nice opening of ninety seven.
It's just him. I think our team of Professor X, beast Storm and
uh more more and more, like I think that's I think that's a pretty
solid team. I think we could get some crime fighting downe that is,
you're the only one woman though, I'm just the invisible man from fucking uh,
what's it called the Boys whatever his character's name, just like terrible reputations
installs. Yeah, that's what happened. We'd be going good and someone And
then what we can do, though, is we can fire Kirkland and then
bring him back back looks back on the podcast, but it's just still it's
still Kirkling. They get lazy and like, oh yeah, we have kirk
too. You could just like be Marbot Robbie for an episode and then be
like, damn like Margot rob wall Street. No, that's when we get
canceled though, when all the slummaries get together and be like, we didn't
do any of these interviews, you know, but he actually lower the whole
of the world. Yeah, he would actually be unstoppable because I was on
the shutter down Charles and the other right with the GEK first movies, Kirkland
can become any actor, actress, dead or living, so we could get
fucking who's dead. We could really want I don't know. Chris Farley,
Chris Farley's back in the next week for a movie you know you want to
see. You want to see another Hea Fledger Joker performance. Kirk Pats can
bring it to you. You know that the strikes would happen though because of
all this like AI stuff. They're like, oh, we can't. They
would just be scared of Kirklan out there. Oh yeah, I meant to
mention this like ten minutes ago, but at some point just Google Jubilee and
click on her Wikipedia page, not Marvel Wikipedia Wikipedia. The photo they have
of her is crazy, and it's also one of those classic photos where it's
just like where all are her organs, like the like the way she spent
over. Of course she's like in this crop tap where she's sewing off her
belly button that's not really there. I just gotta laugh when I had to
get her full name. A very weird picture, right, Like, this
is the Jubilee photo. Did Jubilee It's a Jubilee Biblical Wikipedia. Yeah,
gotta search you please search it jubilationally actually, yeah, or Jubilee Marvel Comics.
Anything else to say on the Cannonball episode, I think we covered it.
Yeah, that's how good this episode was it may talk about other things.
Oh so two things. Actually, let's do this live on cast.
Uh, there was. They dropped the mister Kirkland reference here, so you
got that. Was it Kirkland or Kirklin? They well, it was,
but they said it like Kirkland they did. Right, that's my question.
You're like, the only actual Kirkland. I feel like everything always Kirkland,
the original. So I want to ask you guys this question because they said
that, oh, that's rogue immune from several flashpoint situations now in my life.
Of course, they know Flashpoint of the DC comics, the whole thing.
What does flashpoint mean if it's just a regular thing, because I don't
think I've heard that term used regularly in the real world. Is it don't?
Look, I've just watched Spider Man No Way Home? Is Is that
not the name of Flash's book in that movie? Yeah? Flashpoint there's a
book. Yeah, So is that not? Is that? Is it not
just like a greater Marvel thing that's referenced. I know it's a deazy thing,
but is it also like a Marvel thing in general? But what does
it mean? Just big events? Because when they're like, that's from several
flash points. Now you can look it up, Kirkling, you know what
a flashpoint is non comic book. I've just looked it up. You look
at that beast classic beast move. What does it mean? What does a
flashpoint? If I say, hey, this is hair from Gefer's podcast,
He's been through several flashpoint situations, it's the lowest temperature which a liquid will
form. A vapor in the air is actually a place, event or time
at which troubles such as violence or anger flares up. The flashpoint of the
conflagration. That's a word is just blocks away every word. No, I
think tat this is right because a storm rokes the chemistry, because storms around
rose a lot around a lot of cold situations. But okay, so just
like the situation of violence and go some I figured, but I just never
heard that in real life. So there you go. Uh. And then
the last note I have on this is gambit. At one point I can
remember who says it to, but he's talking and he's like, I'm not
really a Joiner type. He says this after being with the X Men for
four years, and even then, like before the X Men, he was
with the Guild of thieves, Like he's never alone. This dude. He
went from one group to another, so I get that he's like the bad
boy rebel of the group, but like he's still part of the group.
He's still sleeping under the school. He's still fucking arguing with Jean Gray about
cookie like no, my potatoes. Like he's he's a joiner, like he's
mona. Yeah. I feel like he never really wants to admit that he
is. But you know, he could be a miss without his X Men.
Nah. To me, he's like you remember in Saltburn at the beginning
where Berykyon leaves the housag dragon guy and like, oh, such a friend,
mate, He's oh no, not really, Like that's Gamut where he's
like, yeah, I'm not really a joiner, but like, no,
that was your friend, Like you're part of the X Men, like you're
you're made of X men ninety seven. Come on when he goes to the
cooler X men, Yeah, he'll disregard flight. Yeah yeahs sasquatch, I
don't want to fucking beast over here? Yeah, lesser than I don't want
it? Is everyone done with their notes? Yes? Yeah, like I
I hitting you with the double thumb down feels bad, but like I think
I will because of animation and other stuff too. So yeah, I'm gonna
hit with the double double thumb down, double thumb down for me, double
thumb down as well. Six thumbs down so far. Who would have thought
when we started this podcast when I don't know, I guess I'll do the
X Men. And now he's he's the one crying over here give them better
ratings than us. So true, there we go. So episode nine Descent,
which I thought was a weird title for a sinister episode. I just
thought it'd be something like sinister like something in the titles, especially with the
amount of times that they say a sinister event going on like in this episode.
I would have imagined they had sinister in the title called flashpoint. I
don't know, but just just just felt like a very random, like what
do we call this, uh, descent, Like, let's just finish this
up. We got to move on to the show. They're talking about the
quality of the show. Yeah, desguie the season one word dissent In London,
England, Victoria are too signedist Doctor James Xavier and doctor Nathaniel Essex hotly
debate Charles darwin theory of natural selection. Essex believes Essex sorry, believe mutees
are the next general generic step No fuck generic steps genetics step forward and begins
a bizarre experiment involving mute evolution and his wife. Uh. He creates himself
a minion Jack to uh what to procure mutin organs for him. Essex uses
the mute DNA of Jack's victims to transform himself. The origin of mister Sisor
is revealed as doctor Xavier attempts to have stopped Essex before he goes too far.
I also mentioned his wife. That was an editor's note. Nowhere here
in this Wikipedia thing they mentioned his wife, which I feel like is a
pretty big plot point in here, But whoever wrote the Wikipedia description felt it
was not. So Yeah, who wants to start us off with dissent?
I'll started off here. This is another one where, man, I feel
like this should have been earlier in the show in terms of backstory, But
I don't even know where i'd put it is. This is season one,
two, three, four. I don't know where I would season one,
when they learned about Sinister and then you're like, oh, like I know
about Sinister, and then you tell the story because he has this book,
and but doesn't Sinister doesn't pop in until season two, right, because I
feel like you want to see him. Isn't he like the cliffhanger of season
one? Oh? Maybe what's yeah? I thought season one they defeat him,
let me go back. Maybe they did, maybe it was the night
of the Center, or maybe maybe they defeed him in the last episode or
something, and then it's like cliffhangered into the next one. But either way,
like I feel like you want to know of Sinister. But it also
feels weird to have this as the second to last episode, the penultimate episode.
As Travis loves to say, that's a very weird spacing timing for it.
There's some fun stuff that goes on here, but the Xavier stuff is
just like fucks with my mind in a big way that I am very confused
about. So overall, and there's some there's some fun things to be had
in this episode, for sure. So even though it's weird, it's oddly
paced, it's bizarre, It once again feels like a bit of a what
if situation. I think I like it more than the previous episodes we talked
about. In this chunk just because there's some more interesting stuff going on,
I guess, but it's still it's a weird one to follow up, Dylan,
was that what you're gonna say, Kirkland, Yeah, I think so
you could say go ahead. I was just gonna say season two is the
big Mister Seneaster season. Yeah, oh I'm not done. You have you
have the double Partyer at the start of season two and then like the double
Parder at the end, so somewhere in that season, I definitely think you
can fit in this origin ry tale. Yeah, that's a great point.
Actually, I think mid season two would be good for this season one.
The finale is excellent and a Magneto team up to fight Master Mold if you
remember Master Mold. So that's how which was very random. But I feel
like because it's strange, I think we talked about this on the episode,
but Days of Future Past is the episodes eleven and twelve. They should just
make that the finale of season one. Much more memorable storyline. But yeah,
I think I don't think it's weird. It's exactly what Kirkland said,
where at the beginning's where it's like Tales of X Men it's just like,
hey, do you want to know about mister Sinister that this feels like.
And I enjoyed this episode because I like Sinistor. He's a weird fucking dude,
and I love this in like a sort of Hannibal esque way where at
first he's doing it to like find a cure and help his wife. And
that's even shady, right because even she's like, are you trying to cure
me? Or are you just trying to experiment on me? And he's just
like, oh, darling, don't worry about Like he's just such like a
smooth talker. I just love he just becomes this weird Hannibal esque guy who
just starts experiments and then he's just like just messing up with people, and
he all does in the guys of oh excience or moving things forward. But
I love the end episode and they're like, oh, when he's gone to
hear here, it's like it's like a serial killer, Like he's been all
these cities and here are all these victims that he's like fucked with and nest
with, and he's just a weird guy. And for some reason at the
end of episode, and he's like, my name is not Nathaniel. Actually
it's mister Sinister. You like, buy it from this guy because he's just
such a weirdo, right, So I like the origin and the only not
the only way, but the way I can head canon it now. They
never meant this back in the nineties, but because we know Sinster, sounds
like he's coming back and he's one of, if not the main villain of
ninety seven for season one. I kind of like this in a way where
it's like it's like a nice if you were to watch it now back to
back in the future of you go from season five and then the season six,
it's like a setup for Okay, he's gonna be the main bad and
here's his origente. I like that he's out there. I'm with Dylan where
I don't know if you're as hard as me. I hate the Xavier stuff.
I do not like. I hate when shows do like, oh,
my great great great ancestor knew this character, Like just make it a inspector
anybody, you know, we're making a different Marvel character. I just didn't
joy that it was like an Exavier descendant, Like it's just and like Jean
Gray's family was part of this too, right, Like, is that just
a coincidence that they had what I don't even didn't even catch that. Well,
I think the voice actors for Jean Gray is doing his wife. I
think that's a thing. I think that family is the Grays, so like,
I guess it ties into his obsession with the Grays later on, like,
well, no, he's obsessed with the Summers. So that's what it's
like weird maybe ninety seven both of them, though, I mean to some
extent, right, Oh yeah, what sounds like some ninety seven stuff.
We're gonna get some more of that, like in that bloodline. So I
like the episode. I like the episode overall. It's weird placing, but
this is probably my favorite out of the five, and honestly, maybe yeah,
maybe, Like it's probably tied up there with Omega Red because I think
I agree with you guys last time that it wasn't as as great as I
want, But I just love Omega Red being around. He got to fight
Colosses and wolf Raine, so it up there. So I enjoyed this little
look back at how did we get this very messed up mutant individual? So
yeah, yeah, I quite like this little journey that we had, and
like I said, like it was just weird the placing of it, especially
like this is the second last episode of this show ever, Like if we
never get X Men ninety seven, this is the second last episode ever.
All it is is an origin for not even the biggest villain in the entire
show, like I would argue Paul Clypse is definitely the biggest villain. So
it's weird placing. But I did like at least getting an explanation of of
what's going on there and just his obsession with these with with his goal of
like having like the ultimate life for it. That sounds weird to say,
but I guess that's kind of what he's doing. That's kind of what he
wants, Like he just wants this evolution, I guess of him. Yeah,
or he's like the guy's working on a cap when they like they want
the peak human condition. He wants like the peak like mutant condition, and
we don't even know what that is, right, So Yeah, I like
seeing like his his uh you know, precinist or look too, like when
his skin isn't change, like he's looks pretty suave. Yeah, Like I
did like his his overall aesthetic and just being back then, Like I never
would have assumed Charles Darwin would be making appearance in X Men like animated series,
right, you got Jack the Ripper here, Like it's just it's a
pretty weird, uh mixing of individuals. But I did like the the the
descent I guess into sinisterisms that he does end up going on, and it
does. You know, it's not it's not like a multipart or anything,
but I think the pacing of it was appropriate, Like it's it's not like
it's complete, like he's fine, and then it just takes like a complete
random drop off. Like I do think that it kind of gets there,
especially when he's friendly with like Xavier and even like Darwin, and then when
they kind of get a glimpse of what's going on, that's when they lose
him and he just gets a little bit crazier and crazier. So overall,
yeah, I think this is you know, I might have to look at
the season overall, but this could be my favorite episode of the season,
just because it's it's a big X Men character that like how did he get
white? Like why did his eyes go red? What? What what happened
to his voice? That made him go that way, like it's like,
not all those answers, you know, are answered or given to us,
I guess, but still it's just how did he get white asked the same
questions they're asked by Michael Jackson back in All three? My god, you
have the same potion, you know what? Pretty yeah, pretty comparable with
those two. And I feep like sinisters, that's not cool there, But
I feel like, isn't he a bit is he fully white? There's like
a white blue tinged sinister. I think there's a little blue and I think
there's a little bit blue here, but yeah, that's part of the dissent,
right, he gets the white. Taylor, you're looking like sinister right
now. Actually with that light on your face, don't call me Taylor.
Casha. The light just went out and handed his robot. That's not my
name. Yeah. I liked. I like going into the past here again.
This is great, and I was, I was, I was enjoying
the transition. It caught me off guard when things was trying to like go
sideways here. I was like, oh, this is kind of this is
kind of wacky, and it felt kind of like a Frankenstein kind of VIY
like a doctor Frankenstein esque aesthetic to it. I really really like that.
And I guess just said why they chose to do his origin story here.
I guess it's because after his sneak away down the alley, they had to
touch back on his character. So right, I forgot about that. Where
did Sinister go when he was cyclosts his shoulder? They knew, Taylor,
they're gonna make ninety seven and twenty twenty three. They just knew they were
going for like the long calm, you know, like episode three to force
Awaken sort of deal. You know, we're episode six, so right,
yeah, you said it, Darwin Peering. This episode that was unexpected.
So there's just a few things that were interesting, and I guess it does
a good job of kind of planting the seeds of the subsession for why this
villain is doing all this crazy shit and all throughout the whole series. So
I enjoyed it a lot. It was really really good. Nice nice see
if I got any actually didn't write any notes. I just actually put Inspector
Xavier no thanks, because I just don't like that troupe when anybody does that,
it's just I just didn't need Xavier. I was fine with him getting
the book telling the story, and again it felt I'd love to know the
story behind this season, like the end, like they to me, we'll
get to in the second. They ended in a way where like they're like
it's an ending, So I don't feel like it's like, oh, we're
gonna set up Sinister again. Maybe they were and some episodes got cut.
Maybe they're gonna fight them all one more time. But so I like the
idea of he has this book, so I'd kind of love if they were
to tie that back. We're one of the X Men, fine Xavier's journal
novel there in the new season, and that like kind of brings back Sinister.
I hope we get some of those ties because I said like, oh,
we're gonna try to make it a direct sequel, so I hope that
they bring that in case. I feel like that, especially with Sinistor being
a villain in it, that is like like it's perfect, like you can
and be right there, you know, so yes, we'll see Yeah,
I know. The highlight for me here is just what Taylor was saying there.
I really like getting the backstory from understanding on why Sinister is the way
he is and why his goals have been the way they are of trying to
get this perfect bloodline, bringing the human race to perfection. You know,
he's talking about how he wants humans to be stronger and immune to all these
diseases. But then over the course of just breathing in these fumes and these
potions that he's making, just you can see how his mind deteriorates, but
it kind of starts from a place of actually wanting to help society. And
I think that breakdown is like really well done, and like, once again
the twenty minute cartoon here, I think they did like a really good job
of establishing that it helps that we know this character so well I guess at
this point, but yeah, it just kind of like helps fill in the
gaps of why he's doing what he is, and so I really liked that
part of it. I think it was like really well done for how messy
this season is, Like that's something that actually kind of nailed and I really
appreciate it. I really loved his look when he you know, he took
the bleach potion became white and then he had like those those those shades on.
He just had like such a sweet look to it. Oh yeah,
it's like maws sinister variant, give me that one. Which was surprising too
that when they bump into him again before he gets full cissor, no one
ever asked him like, dude, like, what's what's going on? Like
why you look like that? Oh Exavier, And he's like, what are
you up to? Essex? Just like wouldn't you mention? Like what's going
on? Like and another clarification I wanted. They talk about his wife and
he, which was interesting that he still offered before he ran, he told
her to come with her, which was very odd because I didn't feel like
mister sisters thing that felt like I like, oh, screw you as all
my scigns. But the fact that he still wanted her to come was I
liked that wrinkle of okay for whatever connection they had, whether it was just
the science or something he wanted her to join, she didn't. They dropped
this s line that they say he left and his wife never spoke again.
At first, I was gonna say of him, but they're insame way his
wife just chose not to speak ever, Yeah, which is very odd.
So it's like, did just the whole city just blame this woman and she's
just like ouse it out of this community, like very strange. That wasn't
like as far fetched for me for whatever reason. I feel like it just
I've heard stories of like a widow or whatever, like they just lose like
a loved one and they're just the shock, like they just never speak again
or something like they're just completely changed from that moment. And if if especially
for someone like that, like if she found out like all the sinisters acts
that he was doing and all these horrible things, like how could you be
just having something like that like in your life without knowing and then when that
reveal comes out, like you're just you're just forever changed. So that's just
kind of the way that I took it it. It is like a quick
line that they just say and then it just cuts like another thing. It's
like really okay whatever they're but uh, for me, at least it was
a little bit more easy to digest. Yeah, I feel like that was
this this that subplot didn't really work for me so much with the wife,
so I guess I kind of ignored it to some extent, But I liked
having a Darwin in there. I think that was that was fun. That
once again leads into why he was so inspired to have these ideas which let
him down that dark path. But I thought that was just kind of a
fun historical figure to pull in there. And that's why I was so confused
by this exavier stuff, because I just thought that was Charles for a bit
and I was like, what is going on here? Until I was like,
well, Darwin's like I don't know how old he was, but he's
definitely pretty old, So this timeline is not adding up for me. So
eventually it clicked. But yeah, that part of it was kind of weird.
It's like eighteen eighties, I think, right was right like somewhere around
that that timeline. I thought this was gonna be the origin of the Nasty
Boys too. I was expecting like the first st effort that would maim Drop,
but I guess that came later when he got a little bit more sinister.
I kind of liked the sorry to cut you out there done, but
just like the like the overall legend of what the sinister was, like the
way it ended of just like the way that he's just maybe making appearances like
across the world, like it's just it is just this this thing, this
evil entity that keeps just popping up and doing sinister acts because they have never
I don't think they ever show him, but they just like show a montage
of different places in the world and insinuating that he's been doing his usual sinister
acts and in those places decades in generation. Yeah, this guy is just
like and that's where it's like, I know, it's different when they say,
oh, yeah, since it's been around for a while, but when
you get to see it in that aspect of him being back so far,
it's very like a Dracula sort of deal thing. And that's why I love
where he's been around for generations, your kids, your kids, your kids,
and he's just just experiment on people, kidnapping them, doing messed up
stuff. Yeah, it's pretty dark. Like obviously this show does get dark
at some points with certain character deaths or storylines or you know, there's a
lot of like slavery going on in the show. But yeah, I felt
like when we finally went down to that basement and there's like these prisoners in
there, they're like starving his like for the for this show, that was
kind of some of the peak darkness that we've seen so far. Even animals
don't deserve this treatment. I was like okay, which led into maybe the
worst fight that we've ever seen in this show between Sinister before he has his
powers and this Xavier is just some guy and they're like tripping over chairs and
like throwing random stuff at each other. Just the worst fight I've ever seen.
Yeah, anything else in this episode, My last my last thing was
so the whole setup of this is like Xavier's having uh, the real Exavier
Charles is having a dream, I guess right, And we get like this
dream sequence kind of glow that looks really awful, but like he's just sleeping
in his sleeping in his bed just like an a raging storm is going on
outside, like super powerful winds, rain thunder, though, like his his
blinds or his curtains are just being blasted across the room. Why doesn't he
close his fucking window? Like who sleeps like that? I'm sure rain is
busting through the window at this point. I don't know why he doesn't close
the window, you know, very weird choice for me, but I think
it to me. Meat also like it added to his character because he is
kind of a weirdo sometimes and that is something that he would do, like
just I don't know, to train his body or something just stood out to
its body. I don't know. Mentally, I guess mentally to die the
next episode. That's all for me. Tarror anything, you're pretty quills on
this episode. No, just aside from just the time jump, going back,
ancestors, bloodlines, all that, and like I said, just this,
you mentioned Dracula, which is probably a lot more fitting than Frankenstein.
Well, I think he was like the dog frames of it. Then he
becomes Dracula where yeah, yeah, that's a good way of putting it.
No, I just I thought it was. It was. It was a
good episode. I don't know much else I can add, though, Well,
give us your thumbs. I'll give it a two thumbs, two thumbs,
thumb and a half. I'm a thumb half as well, thumb and
a half as well. There we go. Well, Elejo and we have
made it. That was the penultimate episode. But now we're here for the
finale, the last episode out of time for the X Men animated series until
a couple of years ago we got the great announced what they're bringing it back.
But here we go. Graduation Day, episode ten, series finale,
final episode, Yeah Thanks. At a mutant slash Human relations summit, Henry
Peter Gyric attacks and cripples Xavier with an injury disruptor, which like cripples his
mind and stuff, but the X Men and Moemer Tagret try to save Xavier,
but all seems lost. Lelandre comes and has a cure, but Xavier
must leave and go with her to a Sheer Empire to be cured. Meanwhile,
Magneto makes his final preparations to take over the world with his Mune army,
but Ah the eve the invasion, Cyclops Wolverine Jean Gray infiltrate Genotia and
Genosha and tell Magneto that Xavier is dying. He halts the assault on humankind
out of respect for his grace, enemy, equal, and only friend.
The final scene shows the last moment as all the X Men and Magneto stand
outside the X Mansion say to goodbye to Exavior as he leaves the Lilandra and
her ship to the Shear Home world. See Xavier is like, you need
to get me out of here, Landro, I can't stay here anymore,
or just thinking He's like you're not finding Xavier coming with me. That's what
he's saying about that stormy night. That stormy night, He's like, I
get the fuck out of here. You know. It was just like how
can I get back with Lilandra. I'm just gonna fake my illness. She's
gonna come save me and then she won't be able to kick me out.
Sergy gone, No, like bray a headache. God, I'm killing all
these humans. He's just like he's doing magneto task but pretending like it's against
this. Oh no, I don't want to just send a meteor on Earth.
Just see Pure focused explore Logan's dick. Would you say? So?
Yeah? What did uh? Tanner Field? What did you think about this?
As the finale episode? This is why I was trying too many times
skirt around like Exayor is not dead, but he is dead, Like it's
like a very like his body's dead, but his mind's It's a weird situation.
He's just in his long term coma. But that's why he's trying to
jump around like there's a reason why in ninety seven Side Clubs and Storm are
fighting for who is the leader. There's a reason Magneto's gonna be on the
team. Because Xaviers. I'll just say, for all purposes, all intended
purposes, dead for this season. I would imagine I'm gonna we'll probably talk
about predictions if we see the uh, the old Man again. But what
did you think of this episode as a finale? Yeah? So again I
I it's almost like I wasn't even expecting this to be the finale. I
just assume, like, oh, I like a few more episodes to go,
but just this's just slapped in there. And yeah, Xavier went down
pretty fast with this guy and his taser gun, which is very sad to
see. And again, it's just something that's familiar. You got people advocating
for, you know, down with mutants and whatnot. So that's just the
general theme that we've seen so many times over. And I feel like things
kind of diffuse pretty quickly after that, because they escorted the guy out,
and that was a prolonged escort, like he was fucking ready to like start,
I don't know, like God, he was just throwing a whole tantrum
as the people dragged him out of the whole Congress conference room. But everything
after that just it was very somber and very quiet and just yell Magneto or
Xavier is just this as well, that we really getting to this point like
no tech on Earth can save them, and like, okay, we don't
have anything with a Landra. We can't reach a Landra. Sorry because nine
months nine months with the message, yeah, not ideal. So I just
I didn't really understand what it was that was really depreciating Xavier's health, because
I like, this is stun gun just is like able to just fatally just
put him on a time limit all of a sudden, It just felt very,
very weird, and it's like, okay, this is the last episode.
We need to just send him out the door, and sure enough.
Just this should have been a two parter. I feel like, is to
do this in twenty minutes is rough because you can you have him at the
start when he's healthy, and then you have him on his deathbed of the
Landra taking him away at the end of the episode, and you have a
whole like Genosha invasion force that's gonna happen. Oh yeah, with Magneto,
there's a lot that they squished him. To hear that being said, I
like Magneto. I like seeing everyone like, oh, Harry comes he's coming
out of his little perch at the top and everyone's freaking out and they have
the night before his invasion starts. He just he goes off to see see
Xavier and just fucking like electric cute him. It's not actually cute, I
guess. Finally, Charles, can you do little head games on me?
I feel like he has had electric powers this whole time. Well, I'd
just like to imagine that he has like a physical taser with him right needle,
Like he has all his bags pals and he has a taser that he'll
just bring out everyone, so all you know, so i'd be smart.
Yeah, I can go next here. So ah, I didn't like this
pen. I don't like it. There is some good stuff in here,
Like I don't know, Xavier giving his like partying words to everyone like that
is a very sweet moment, especially where we've gone. I think almost everyone
gets like a really nice send off and then a couple of people just get
really shafted with the like goodbye words. But like still like that moment is
is really sweet in general. But I just I just feel like this whole
thing, this this felt like how we talk about with every MCU, like
Disney Plus show where it's like, man, that finale, they really shoved
a lot in there, and obviously I'm comparing this a lot to season's four
finale, and obviously it was a multi parter and it felt like we were
really building up to that that finale, but that was just such a great
finale, so I've seen them nail it and then to go to this where
it this just feels like, oh fuck, we're out of time, Like
we totally didn't realize this is the ending. We just did like a sinister
episode. I guess we got to like close this off in one episode here,
and this is the best that they could do. And ultimately, I
think the biggest issue from here is like the Magneto stuff, because I just
feel like where we left off with that character, none of this really makes
sense for him. So it just feels like, oh, let's throw them
the biggest villain in there for one last hurrah, but it doesn't really work
or make sense, and it kind of it kind of ruins what the character
was for me to this point. So yeah, it was pretty weak for
me overall. Was just too rushed. It needed more time or it really
just needed like the season to build up to something like this. But then
it also feels like a bit of a cop out because the Xavier is not
dead. Uh, And yeah, he might be gone for the next season
of the show, but to me, he's absolutely alive and he might need
a few months to get back on his feet or something, well maybe not
back on his feet, hard getting back into in a good form. I
mean, who knows, maybe the Landra's medicine can can give him all sorts
of crazy stuff like that. So it's just like the size of Juggernaut when
he gets back, that would be that would be something just like my brother
the same helmet and I want to take over the world now. Yeah,
but uh, I don't know. It's it's pitter sweet because there's some good
stuff in here, but overall it's just a it's a it's a really weak
finale. But then I also like, well, the show's coming back,
so it's like it's not it's not the finale I guess anymore. It was
for a couple of decades. Yeah, but I did that was not my
experience, right, you know, like I only have to wait a couple
of months, so it's not too bad for me. Yeah, yeah,
I'm pretty I'm pretty happy that, like I had the sea into lead up
to the finale, it wasn't just like a banger finale or sorry, a
banger final season and then just like the finale really really under delivered, because
it definitely did. It's like there's there is I think some interesting things happen,
but especially regarding just like the build up to Magneto about to take over
like all of the human existence, and like there's like the lead up to
Helm's Deep like this, this seems like we're getting into like a five episode
arc or something. Yeah, like that's what it feels like. And then
it's just like your buddy's dying and then he just like switches all of his
ideals like right away, and then he's he's just a good guy. From
this one, my friend Saramon calling off the Yuric like all of his soldiers
are like, so do we just like is he coming back? Do we
just wait? Do we invade without him? Like it's just it's pretty pretty
messy there. I really feel like like the I guess the best part about
this episode is when Charles has his like little dialogue like talking about quickly about
like each member I'm just like, I don't know, it's kind of pulling
on like some hot storm I love. Yeah, that was what I know
to Store, my beautiful Storm has a hurricane. What we could have,
what we could have been if we were the same age, right or I
was just like, why are you talking about? Definitely just like man on
his deathbed and mine's not there, and he's just letting out his true thoughts,
like literally, yeah, he's always wanted to shoot a shot with Storm,
and here he's gonna do it. The most beautiful woman I've ever seen
Storlandry old Hag come back his face. Just give me Storm, I love
you. But you know Storm, oh my gosh, you would create rain
and maybe gross getting around here. Maybe they did have something going on.
Maybe's last episode. They're just like gold Sign, just like make storms for
me, and she's like, yes, sir, I will do that.
You know. Yeah he wanted that, And then when he was that's what
I mean, yeah storms. It definitely seemed like his his speech was very
differently on different characters, like even Logan. It's like Logan, you're always
a loner, Like I know, he says something savage, I call you,
I wrote it down because it was so weird. Logan, Loaner,
you have found a family, while Savage you have found dignity. Cynic,
you have found faith and also just had like the weird ass coalmas in it
too, Like he said it so weird. He's seeing like these a couple
of episodes. I love the Savage, like not even saying once a Savage.
He's like you Savage, but you're a little better, which is a
bit you. Aurora, Oh my god, Lura Logan, have you've seen
her? It's like an exavior so ascribed her smell to me. There's nothing
in space without the feeling like a rain from Aura and Rome. Man,
the more we dissected the worst, the worst it gets. But like it
definitely had the emotional moment of a goodbye while I was watching. At least
I think it's also just thinking back on the entire show, like just carrying
in my own exterior thoughts. Entered the episode knowing that this was the finale,
but someone actually got like a good good send off. Just a couple
of outliers that were I don't know if any of them did be. I
wrote down Gambits as well. Gambit, how many times must the scoundrel prove
himself a hero before he believes it himself. Like that's that's like a beautiful
succinct thought. Either way, I really want to fuck Storm, so just
make sure you know that going forward. Like like I was just talking about
the other two weird ones, Like I get what he was saying, but
he's like rogue who can't touch everyone, but if you look around, you've
touched us all. And I just claughed, like I get what they were
going for, but I just like, remember that. Good to have you
back, but thanks for not killing me in season one. And then my
fair was Gene, where he just outright says Jean's his favorite. He says,
Gene, I wrote down what's the number one of my number one in
my heart? So just as everyone's like, oh crying, just like and
like Storm, your good look at the Gene. She's my favorite. Fuck
you all And that isn't right for one in my heart, but number one
on my mind. That's what he's thinking of. Yeah, I didn't write
down cyclopses, but I feel like that one was pretty underwhelming from what I
remember. I think that one was a safe, like, oh man,
a boy become a man and to a leader like all this type of I
like your lasers. Man. Yeah, I think it was like the son
becoming a father or something like that, like yeah, yeah, he compared
him to like his son or something like that, which is weird because like
just last season Scott found his actual dad. But like, I get it,
it's fine. So yeah, what was that guy's name again? Crossair
Cross Corsair, Corsair, that's Cross Dead Shovers cross Hair and like be I'm
like Beast, I don't think got really anything really, to be honest,
I don't remember sh yeah, and I'm I've always been smarter than you.
He's just fucking roasting all the members except for Cheene and Storm, my favorite
in the hottest I love you women, you believe I wish we never took
you in. I wish you died in that cave. It was designed for
your death. He starts doing like a whole Jake saw you know, but
you failed. My overall thought like yeah, just an underwhelming send off.
I actually was shocked that Lilandra popped up, Like I didn't know that that
was coming at all, but I didn't read the wiki, so that like
just shocked me, Like I I didn't think that he died, but they're
definitely leading that direction and Lalandra just takes him away. It's like, oh,
okay, that's where he's going to be. I guess in ninety seven.
That's interesting, but yeah, I don't know, it's I I feel
like it's just Season four finale was just way better than what this was.
Like, maybe have like a little dialogue that's not as creepy or weird here,
just to have something said to say goodbye to these characters. Especially,
I mean, if you watch this when it came out, like yeah,
you'd be waiting hell of a long time and not knowing that that it was
ever going to be coming back because obviously that was well before the Disney acquisition.
So yeah, it's uh, I don't know, though, it's it's
also an interesting just way to close this book. On the X Men retro,
there's some weird lines about Thirsty on Storm. Yeah, I mean it
was nice. Yeah, he didn't need Yeah, we are meming, he
didn't need to drop the beauty Like I get what they're going for, but
it just felt odd just the physical appearance cocoa butter skin, Oh my god.
Yeah, no one smells like Rose or Storm. He's changing her names
as hot as a light, as a feather and as hot as a stone
storm, Like it just sounds like an mind over there. Well that was
Bilbo when he gives him throw skills me. Who's going with the overall?
Everyone but me? Right, yeah, no, it's fine. It's it's
disappointing. It's like what Dylan said, it's a rush finale that hurts Magneto
because I taught I kind of forget that. He does this like he'll turn
and the face turn again. But the whole past two seasons and been like,
oh man, like this really tracks really well for him being like one
of the leaders the X Men, except for this finale where he's like,
fucking all Xavier attacked, I'm gonna kill everybody, Like all you have to
do is the same storyline where he's hurt, they find Magno and just said,
we really need your help. That's all. You don't need to do
this. He's about to invade the whole world. I don't know, maybe
they could have with a two parter made it like you could have gave him
some development if he was saying I was trying to do better. But once
they heard Xavier. I knew, like, okay, they heard Xavier,
who in this world's supposed to be like the god of Mune's a good guy,
will never do, will never be able to achieve equality if they heard
Xavier, you know, but they didn't. They touch on that like minorly,
so there's a way they could have span it. But did Charles say
anything to Magneto and my beautiful Magnus that one night in the rockies, I'll
never forget and I don't touch my storm. Yeah she's not yours. Uh
No, there's there's still big drop, I think, just overall, especially
just with how much like they have bonded and that it like that is Magneto
or Magnus's I guess only friends has said in the wiki, like that just
seems like a major myss. They're not even having anything for them to say.
I'm trying to remember though, I don't even know, like this is
not like a like a cop out for them. They would still get the
ding. I just don't even remember if he was in the room when he
physically like passed away quotation marks Magneto, so he like went to the washroom
and he came back. I'm just taking his mind, and Magus is just
like you, just like a boy comes back from the bathroom jubilee. Get
in there, like in the middle of this really emotional suit. You're not
an X Men yet, right, get in there. They tell you,
like if he sees that ship outside like things, oh they're coming here,
destroys along. She did look like she had a fully metal suit now,
so I feel like he could have destroyed her if he wanted to. Just
Charles, no one will take it from me again. No, it's disappointing.
It's like I said, I still preferred over episodes as just like imagine
if the series just ended like with the Mister Sinister episode, like Batman does
that, Spider Man does that where they just end on a random episode.
He goes, oh that sucks. So I like that. There is kind
of like a full serve and you kind of go, okay, it's rush.
But Magneto turns good. Xavier says by them as he dies or passes
on to another body or something. And this is the X Men. Now
they've gone through a lot of these five years and they can lead the team.
So I think it gets the job done. It's not like a perfect
job, but it's like it still like gets like a like a semi pass
I don't even know, like it's I don't know where I am on the
thumb scale. So I enjoyed that aspect, but overall, maybe a couple
parts could have helped iron out some of the kinks here. But I really
don't have much else, honestly, because I don't feel like the Magneto villain
stuff is really fleshed out very much, so there isn't really much to break
down there for me. And then really like the character stuff is all just
that one deathbed scene for me. Yeah, the only two things I want
to talk about was the audio was really bad in this episode two. It
just felt like stikes with the recording booth. Something else was going on,
and we touched upon it a little bit. But I'll just reiterate here.
I maybe I never thought about it. I guess because he's just appears to
be a normal dude, even though Gyrec's like, look, even a normal
man could be a mutant. I was just so flabbergasted when they're like,
exavior is a mutant. I was I thought this was common knowledge, and
I guess you still could be a human that brings in people and have a
school munees. I just thought by now people probably would have figured it out.
I feel like he's ventured out enough. So it was as his wheelchair
is like a hovercraw Yeah, that's magic right there. Like yeah, so
it was very It was an odd thing that I still don't think they needed
in the long run, because you could just say he was the leader of
the good Munes and he got they tried to assassinate him, so other Munites
were pissed about that, like you didn't need to have this reveal, like,
oh my god, Xavier the Mutant Defenders also a mutant like odds.
I feel like there's gotta be a counter argument to that somewhere in the show
where like it was proven otherwise we can't pull it off the top of my
head. But let's let's start the retro over again. Just look out for
that quickly. Yeah, let's just pull it up circle back. How could
they pinpoint exactly that it was him? I mean, you can't like see
like the brain waves coming out of his head, like you just see he'd
be on the ground. He does do this a lot. Yeah, but
he just got he just got like like sheaved or shaved whatever you want to
call it with the electrical thing, right, So I don't think it's shame
storm. I need a shave. He's on the growd and he's just he's
not doing good. But immediately the guy's like, oh, you're a fucking
mudant. Well his point that because his brain waves things pop off and they
mess with the crowd. Yeah, but that could have been fucking anyone in
the crowd, Like he just immediately just like yeah, I guess they just
assumed that, like maybe you can kind of see the headwave things. But
they're all pretty fucking dumb for not figuring out. By this point, it's
been at least five years and they didn't maybe not five years and show,
but five seasons and none of them like had the idea that Xavier could be
a mutant. I don't know, odd shocking, yeah, anything else,
mm hmmm. I'll give it half thumb, Like I want to get one,
but like just the half. I like, I want to go slightly
down, but even even one thumb down feels too strong. So I'm gonna
go like I'm gonna go like a forty nine degree thumb there doing your beautiful
thumbs miss those. I think I'm gonna go thumb down. Yeah, frost
thrust. Let's get her up there for the final time too, just like
the emotion on her face, like it's just wait, you gotta come a
fantastic show. You'll be able to drop those thumbs on ninety seven, Right,
we'll bring back the thumb scale for that. We don't go out for
the other Yeah, I guess we may as well do it for the X
Men, you know. So it's been a wonderful ride. But to end
it this way, I mean, like I said already, like it's just
this, this whole season has kind of been like repping me for what to
expect for this for this finale. So it's not a big big shock there.
But overall, I've love I love the show throughout, through and through
as as someone would say true and true true. So it's been it's been
a hell of a ride. And yeah, I can't wait for ninety seven.
But for this finale, I'm I'm gonna fail it. It's just it
didn't didn't deliver what it should have. At least it's like ninety seven,
like you can't get any worse than well, you could have guessed, but
like, like, I feel like it's a good I feel like the expectations
are high but low, you know, like you can start off solid even
if it's season one quality, you know. But i'd say, Taylor,
before you go, don't what we were over thoughts on this whole whole watch.
We talked about this doing this for a long time. The revival happened,
so we did it. It was long journey, lots of put in.
But yeah, I think there's some surprises for sure, Like I feel
like Mike Neo was in this a lot less than I was expecting, especially
like that's that the title credits, like the opening credits, like that never
happens, like that team up of characters, which is something I was really
looking forward to. And I wanted to see more of Magneto and like him
building up his team and that being a thing. So yeah, I guess
it was just a lot different than I was expecting. And I also got
to learn a lot about tons of X Men villains I never like, mister
Sinister is a character I didn't really know about before this either, right,
So yeah, I I feel like my impression rate off the bat is I
would say I liked the Spider Man show more, but that's also been so
long ago now that like, I can't really remember exactly how I felt in
those moments. But either way, this is a really fun journey to get
to do with all four of us here, so that also raises the show
up a lot more than maybe otherwise. But yeah, I don't think it's
like an all time great show for me, but it was a fun time
to go through. I'm glad we did it. Ty your Field. You're
rating on the finale, thoughts on the finale, and thoughts on the show
as a guy who was not a big X Men person, you know,
Yeah, So, I mean my rating on the finale, I'm gonna give
it just one of these, just one the thumb finger point A thumb finger
point, Yeah, little magniedo sum fingerpoint. I like the finale, I'll
again, my con is the fact that it was really rushed. That's really
the only con I had in retrospect after we've discussed but everything that Xavier is
saying, he's fucking weird. Yeah, but uh yeah, though the whole
experience was was really really interesting going into the show, going into the show
with you guys, I was. I was eager and intrigued to learn about
these characters, but I definitely didn't have that huge level of excitement because I
felt pretty confident, like, oh yeah, X Men, like I just
I was not interested in them. I realized now, hence my nickname mute
X. That was actually my mutant show that I was into back in the
day, which I learned actually was affiliated somehow, very very loosely remotely with
X Men somehow. But I used to love mutin X No retro, no
retro do what you know. I hope in the future there's other X Men
shows like X Men and the Wolverine X Men Evolution would be the Evolution Tier
one Evolution some good ship too, but they just if not it's on American
Disney. Plus it's not here. It's just so it's so annoying. But
that one's like when everybody's Scott Jean Rogue. They're all teenagers, they're all
in school, and yeah, there's a lot of students there and stuff,
and mag Neil has a kind of a man's voice by Clancy Brown on that
one. You know, maybe one day, one day, but yeah,
just this this show has really been a great experience to learn more about these
characters and learn more about other new characters. It's it's definitely got You're super
super stoked for hopefully what is going to be the next step in the MCU
whenever we finally get there, and they really indulge in this, and I
think that this timing wise is great. As soon as we watched Miss Marvel
and they just kind of like at the end with the Kamala Khana just worked
out really really well. So yeah, just I'm never gonna forget bone Breaker
hopefully. Oh yeah, memories he was he was really good these pictures too,
Like, oh my goodness, technical whiz kid that guy. Yeah,
so I'm I'm I'm really really happy that we we went through this whole this
whole five season and he said it was a thumb up on this finale.
The finale is a yeah, one thumb up. Yeah right, all right,
I forgot the main needle for I forgot him. Yeah, No,
this was done fun. Gave my rating, but yeah, it was a
it was a good time. I'm glad. There's a reason why we've only
done this Clone Wars and Spider Man because they the TV retros. They take
a long time it's a lot of episodes and rebels. Yeah, we did
do rebels. That was like a like a shortened version, but still that
was a lot of working because it's like, again, that's why I think
anyone will listen, because people do listen, but they're much more of a
like a you know, specific audience. But this was good because I think
it was also just fun because now like when that's why I think we're gonna
do heads for the patrons. We'll do some like fan cast, like we
can do like a sinister fan cast and you guys don't have to just go
off a picture like I think that was fun of like I don't know everything,
but just getting to see you guys see certain cares like oh, that
was tons of fun. And just like the classic memes, we kind of
crate along the way like a bone breaker and uh, yeah, this is
a good time. I'm excited that Taylor's actually excited freksman now because he'd always
skip those reviews. Those weren't really for him. So I think when the
mcux men pop off, like it's gonna be a good time. And this
was good too, because like it's weird that when you watch a show,
your whole life, and then when you watch it this way, it just
feels like you've watched it, like really wash it because you have to talk
about it and you're taking notes. There's stuff where it's just like I've forgotten
about where now I don't feel like I will forget because when I think about
an episode, like, oh, we et to talk about this in a
positive negative light. So it just kind of feels like even though I've seen
this show, I don't know, dozens of times, it's just like,
okay, like I've completed it. I'm just really hoping ninety seven is just
like some really good good stuff. I don't need to be like the best
thing Marvel series has done, but I'm excited to review that weekly with you
guys. And no, this was a ton tons of fun. And yeah,
thank you everyone that tuned in. Thank you to everybody that will hopefully
tune in for ninety seven and for other X Men content we do, and
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