WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.040 --> 00:00:07.639 A Cloud Authenticity podcast. David Peralta has spent over twenty years learning directly from 2 00:00:07.719 --> 00:00:13.080 masters of Eastern Spirituality, Zen Buddhism, and Christianity, and he is a 3 00:00:13.119 --> 00:00:18.800 master of blending spiritual wisdom with modern entrepreneurship. David, can you tell us 4 00:00:18.800 --> 00:00:23.839 a little bit more about what you do? Yeah? Sure, So. 5 00:00:25.000 --> 00:00:28.879 At the heart of it, my mission here is to help as many people 6 00:00:29.519 --> 00:00:34.119 awaken as possible to the wisdom and light of their soul and to learn how 7 00:00:34.200 --> 00:00:41.799 to integrate spirituality with daily life. So I work with entrepreneurs, I work 8 00:00:41.880 --> 00:00:45.799 with business people basically anybody who feels like they feel like they have a calling, 9 00:00:46.719 --> 00:00:52.240 but they don't feel like their life, their relationships, or their career 10 00:00:53.000 --> 00:00:58.240 is quite is completely aligned with what they feel that calling is. And what 11 00:00:58.280 --> 00:01:00.960 I do is I help them discover or first I help them create a vision 12 00:01:02.600 --> 00:01:04.120 for what it is that they want to create, and then I help them 13 00:01:04.200 --> 00:01:08.359 learn how to tap into the mechanisms of creation so that they can learn how 14 00:01:08.599 --> 00:01:14.879 to manifest and to let their vision manifest through them, and to rely on 15 00:01:14.920 --> 00:01:19.079 their relationships as a source of the creative energy that is going to create that 16 00:01:19.120 --> 00:01:26.200 manifestation. That's interesting So tell me more about relying on relationships. You said, 17 00:01:26.840 --> 00:01:33.879 yeah, yeah, So inside of everybody is a source of power. 18 00:01:33.959 --> 00:01:40.480 Every single person is connected to the source of all things. That creative energy 19 00:01:40.519 --> 00:01:44.280 that creates everything flows through every single one of us. It flows through everything 20 00:01:44.319 --> 00:01:49.159 in creation, but it most powerfully flows through a human soul. And so 21 00:01:49.560 --> 00:01:55.599 when we learn how to open our hearts to another, when we awaken to 22 00:01:55.760 --> 00:01:59.280 that light and that love inside of us, and we awaken to that light 23 00:01:59.400 --> 00:02:04.040 and that love side of another, then that flow can occur. We can 24 00:02:04.159 --> 00:02:12.199 enter into a direct relationship with that creative energy, and through opening our hearts 25 00:02:12.360 --> 00:02:17.159 to that through others, then that energy can flow into our lives and basically 26 00:02:17.199 --> 00:02:21.919 empower whatever intentions we have, whatever it is that we want to create. 27 00:02:23.520 --> 00:02:28.520 So relationships are the key to that. So relationships amplify everything, is what 28 00:02:28.560 --> 00:02:34.039 you're saying. The relationships are the source of everything. Yeah, relationships. 29 00:02:34.479 --> 00:02:39.240 Basically, we only interact with the divine through relationships, through relationships with other 30 00:02:39.280 --> 00:02:44.280 people, through our relationship to the nature, through our relationship to the world. 31 00:02:44.719 --> 00:02:50.719 We can connect inwardly, right, we discover our own interconnection to the 32 00:02:50.800 --> 00:02:58.759 divine, But we relate to the divine through our relationships with everything else makes 33 00:02:58.800 --> 00:03:00.599 sense to me. I have seen it in action in my life so many 34 00:03:00.599 --> 00:03:06.599 times. So how did you end up doing this work? That's a really 35 00:03:06.599 --> 00:03:12.319 good question. So it's a it's it's it's a little bit of a lengthy 36 00:03:12.319 --> 00:03:20.599 story. So I since I was very young, I felt like I was 37 00:03:20.680 --> 00:03:23.840 meant to live a life of greatness. That's just how it felt to me. 38 00:03:24.400 --> 00:03:29.439 And what that meant for me was a life of deep fulfillment, a 39 00:03:29.439 --> 00:03:32.120 life of deep purpose, a life where I was meant to make a difference 40 00:03:32.159 --> 00:03:37.000 in the world and help other people. And I didn't know exactly what that 41 00:03:37.159 --> 00:03:43.439 meant, but what I knew was that my life was not reflecting that I 42 00:03:43.599 --> 00:03:50.719 was not. I struggled a lot when I was younger, in high school, 43 00:03:50.759 --> 00:03:53.520 I struggled a lot in college and university. And what I struggled with 44 00:03:54.120 --> 00:04:00.560 was I was living according to all the expectations. I was doing everything that 45 00:04:00.599 --> 00:04:03.159 I was supposed to be doing, but none of these things were bringing me 46 00:04:03.199 --> 00:04:06.000 happiness. I mean, I think that this is for many spiritual people. 47 00:04:06.159 --> 00:04:10.800 This is the case. Many of us realize, either early on or at 48 00:04:10.840 --> 00:04:15.199 some point in our life that the fulfillment that our soul is yearning for and 49 00:04:15.240 --> 00:04:20.040 knows as possible is not going to be found in following the expectations and the 50 00:04:20.040 --> 00:04:24.560 scripts that are being given to us. The condition that's the conditioning that's being 51 00:04:24.560 --> 00:04:31.040 given to us. When I was twenty years old, I had one of 52 00:04:31.079 --> 00:04:34.759 my first awakenings. I had my first one at fourteen, actually, but 53 00:04:34.800 --> 00:04:39.439 I didn't realize it at the time. And at twenty years old, I 54 00:04:39.480 --> 00:04:44.079 had a moment where I realized that all these things that I thought I had 55 00:04:44.120 --> 00:04:46.079 to be doing. I had to be going to school, I had to 56 00:04:46.120 --> 00:04:47.360 get a job, I had to do these things. I had to do 57 00:04:47.399 --> 00:04:53.040 that things, all these obligations that I felt. There came a moment where 58 00:04:53.120 --> 00:04:57.199 I realized that I didn't have to do any of them, that I didn't 59 00:04:57.240 --> 00:05:01.720 have to follow anything that anyone or anything else was prescribing to me, and 60 00:05:01.759 --> 00:05:06.560 that there was a voice inside of me, there was an intuition, there 61 00:05:06.680 --> 00:05:15.040 was an inner compass, an inner sense that would tell me what was right 62 00:05:15.079 --> 00:05:19.120 for me and what wasn't. And so I started following that, and that 63 00:05:19.319 --> 00:05:24.560 led me to spend six months at a Zen Buddhist monastery. So I actually 64 00:05:24.639 --> 00:05:30.000 left university for a year and I was in a Zen Buddhist monastery in northern 65 00:05:30.040 --> 00:05:38.560 California, and I started to have experiences that nobody there could explain to me. 66 00:05:40.120 --> 00:05:46.199 And I started to feel energies and connections that nobody could quite explain, 67 00:05:46.279 --> 00:05:49.920 and I was just told to sit with them. But I came out of 68 00:05:50.120 --> 00:05:56.160 that center knowing, Okay, there's more that I need to find out about. 69 00:05:56.160 --> 00:06:00.000 There's more than I need to discover, and so I went back. 70 00:06:00.519 --> 00:06:04.800 I didn't really know what to do, and I entered into a very deep 71 00:06:04.839 --> 00:06:11.920 depression. I call that my gray period, because everything just felt gray. 72 00:06:12.079 --> 00:06:15.279 There was no life, like I couldn't find any meaning in anything that I 73 00:06:15.360 --> 00:06:19.720 was doing. And so at the suggestion of a very close friend, I 74 00:06:19.800 --> 00:06:26.079 went to an intensive psychotherapy workshop that was over the course of two weeks two 75 00:06:26.079 --> 00:06:30.839 weekends. And while I was there, during the climax, when people are 76 00:06:30.920 --> 00:06:36.519 finally starting to open up to whatever core pain they've been carrying their entire lives, 77 00:06:38.279 --> 00:06:43.040 I started to feel energy moving through me. I started to feel energy 78 00:06:43.079 --> 00:06:47.279 coming in through my heart, through my hands, and flowing to the people 79 00:06:48.000 --> 00:06:56.000 that were going through the climax exercise right as they were releasing and processing this 80 00:06:56.160 --> 00:07:00.360 pain. I could feel this energy flowing through me, and I knew it 81 00:07:00.399 --> 00:07:04.920 was healing energy, and I somehow knew exactly how to direct it. My 82 00:07:04.959 --> 00:07:10.319 hands started to make all kinds of mudras, and there was just a familiarity 83 00:07:10.360 --> 00:07:15.800 to that energy. And after it was done, I had no idea what 84 00:07:15.920 --> 00:07:20.040 had happened. I had no idea where that came from. But what became 85 00:07:20.160 --> 00:07:25.720 very clear to me was that somehow I was meant to be a healer. 86 00:07:25.920 --> 00:07:29.839 I was meant to learn how to use energy to help heal other people, 87 00:07:29.879 --> 00:07:32.680 because that's what I felt happening. I felt as this energy was flowing to 88 00:07:32.759 --> 00:07:36.800 the other participants, it was helping them heal whatever it was that they were 89 00:07:36.839 --> 00:07:42.600 going through. So that started a new chapter, a new journey, a 90 00:07:42.680 --> 00:07:45.959 new search to find out what is this? How can I heal? And 91 00:07:46.000 --> 00:07:49.519 it led me to chigong masters, It led me to Western medicine. It 92 00:07:49.600 --> 00:07:57.240 led me in all directions, but nobody was able to explain to me what 93 00:07:57.360 --> 00:08:01.279 exactly was going on, What is this energy? Where does it come from? 94 00:08:01.360 --> 00:08:03.399 How do we actually tap into it? People could tell me, you 95 00:08:03.439 --> 00:08:07.079 know, techniques that they had learned, but nobody was able to tell me 96 00:08:07.120 --> 00:08:13.600 what is the source of this energy, or at least from direct experience, 97 00:08:13.959 --> 00:08:18.759 explain that. And so I was teaching yoga in two thousand and six. 98 00:08:18.759 --> 00:08:24.920 I had graduated from university, and one day a woman walks in, and 99 00:08:24.319 --> 00:08:30.480 this woman wants to teach a workshop at the yoga studio, and I look 100 00:08:30.519 --> 00:08:35.240 into her eyes and I see a light unlike any that I've ever seen. 101 00:08:35.279 --> 00:08:37.799 And I've already met a lot of spiritual people who have a lot of light 102 00:08:37.840 --> 00:08:43.320 in their eyes, but the quality of light in her eyes had this depth. 103 00:08:43.759 --> 00:08:46.159 And I don't know how else to explain it, other than to just 104 00:08:46.200 --> 00:08:52.120 say that I felt that there was something different about her. And so she 105 00:08:52.279 --> 00:08:58.279 came back the following week to give her workshop, and as she was preparing 106 00:08:58.320 --> 00:09:01.919 and I was helping her, she pulled out a picture of an old man 107 00:09:01.039 --> 00:09:07.159 to place on an altar that she was creating. And the moment I saw 108 00:09:07.639 --> 00:09:13.440 this picture, my heart completely exploded open, and I started to feel a 109 00:09:13.559 --> 00:09:18.639 love flowing through me like I had never felt before, and a recognition that 110 00:09:18.759 --> 00:09:22.840 I knew this man and that he was my master. And I had never 111 00:09:22.879 --> 00:09:26.080 looked for a master before. I had zero interests in masters. I thought 112 00:09:26.120 --> 00:09:31.519 that that's the opposite of what you want in spirituality. But somehow I knew 113 00:09:31.679 --> 00:09:33.840 that this man was my master. Later on, I found out it's a 114 00:09:33.840 --> 00:09:39.279 picture of Sheerdy Sai Baba, a saint who lived in the early twentieth century, 115 00:09:39.600 --> 00:09:46.039 late nineteenth early twentieth century in northern India. So I immediately feel, 116 00:09:46.519 --> 00:09:50.600 whatever has to do with this guy, I need to know about it. 117 00:09:50.960 --> 00:09:54.639 So I attend the workshop. She gives a series of mantras and teachings based 118 00:09:54.639 --> 00:09:58.360 on the five elements, and so I do all of them. I pick 119 00:09:58.440 --> 00:10:01.720 up all them on as I start to practice them right away, and I 120 00:10:01.759 --> 00:10:07.639 start to have all kinds of experiences, the kinds that I'd only read about 121 00:10:07.679 --> 00:10:13.399 in books, really deep mystical experiences again, deep sense of connection, energy 122 00:10:13.480 --> 00:10:18.000 flowing through me. All kinds of things are happening. And it turns out 123 00:10:18.000 --> 00:10:22.840 that this system is coming from a teacher named tre Koleshwar, who actually is 124 00:10:22.960 --> 00:10:26.039 right here behind me for those listening. I have a picture behind me of 125 00:10:26.159 --> 00:10:33.879 him, and he was going to be coming one month later to the US 126 00:10:33.919 --> 00:10:39.120 from his ashram in India. So I went and I met him, and 127 00:10:39.200 --> 00:10:43.039 initially I was very skeptical because I'm not looking for a guru. I'm not 128 00:10:43.200 --> 00:10:50.159 looking for that. But when I was in his presence, I could feel 129 00:10:50.759 --> 00:10:56.960 an energy and I could feel that he had an understanding and a knowing. 130 00:10:56.320 --> 00:11:01.000 So the next so I kept doing he taught as specific practice. I did 131 00:11:01.080 --> 00:11:05.720 that practice again, had incredible experiences. He came back in December of that 132 00:11:05.840 --> 00:11:11.080 year. I saw him again and in that event, that's when I started 133 00:11:11.080 --> 00:11:15.200 to feel, Okay, I need to learn more from this man. This 134 00:11:15.279 --> 00:11:16.919 is the man that I've been looking for. This is the person that I've 135 00:11:16.919 --> 00:11:22.159 been searching for my whole life. He has these answers, he knows, 136 00:11:22.879 --> 00:11:30.519 he is directly connected to this source. He embodies that source, and that's 137 00:11:30.519 --> 00:11:31.879 who I want to learn from. This is what I've been looking for. 138 00:11:31.919 --> 00:11:35.919 And so three months later, I go to his ashram in India, thinking 139 00:11:35.960 --> 00:11:39.639 that I'm just going to go for three weeks, but end up staying for 140 00:11:39.759 --> 00:11:48.440 six months and so I become a student. He becomes my teacher, and 141 00:11:48.480 --> 00:11:52.919 that's where I started to have these experiences of deep awakening of all kinds. 142 00:11:52.200 --> 00:11:56.039 Right, I started to feel all these layers that I've been carrying just melting 143 00:11:56.080 --> 00:12:01.440 away as I'm doing these practices. As I'm just being in this. I 144 00:12:01.559 --> 00:12:09.159 feel veils between myself and reality, veils of perception lifting and being able to 145 00:12:09.320 --> 00:12:13.919 connect to a deeper reality. I have all of these experiences, and then 146 00:12:15.279 --> 00:12:18.679 in twenty ten, I'm there for an entire year, and then that's when 147 00:12:18.720 --> 00:12:24.879 I meet my wife, Quarantine, and she was there from Austria, and 148 00:12:26.639 --> 00:12:31.240 both of us were at a place where we were not looking for any relationship 149 00:12:31.279 --> 00:12:39.759 whatsoever, and we had both gone through some really rocky situations with relationships around 150 00:12:39.759 --> 00:12:43.080 that time, so we had zero interest in entering into a relationship, especially 151 00:12:43.080 --> 00:12:46.799 at the austrom We were there for our spirituality, you know, our path. 152 00:12:48.679 --> 00:12:54.559 But in spite of that, we started to feel pulled to each other, 153 00:12:54.639 --> 00:12:56.879 and both of us felt that neither one of us wanted to enter into 154 00:12:56.879 --> 00:13:03.399 a relationship unless we knew it was the one that we wanted to commit to 155 00:13:03.480 --> 00:13:05.120 for the rest of our lives, the one that we were willing to go 156 00:13:05.200 --> 00:13:11.519 through everything for the rest of our lives. And from the very first conversation 157 00:13:11.600 --> 00:13:15.679 that we had, it became evident that that's who that was, that we 158 00:13:15.759 --> 00:13:24.480 had found that in each other, and we quickly came together and we knew 159 00:13:26.000 --> 00:13:31.679 that together we wanted to experience the highest form of love that two people could 160 00:13:31.759 --> 00:13:37.039 experience together, and that's what we committed to, and we got married just 161 00:13:37.080 --> 00:13:41.919 a few months afterwards. A few months after that, our first daughter was 162 00:13:41.919 --> 00:13:46.720 on the way and we went back to the West. We went to live 163 00:13:46.759 --> 00:13:52.399 in Austria, and then that's when the struggles really started. We had made 164 00:13:52.480 --> 00:13:56.279 this commitment to experience the highest love between two people, but now in order 165 00:13:56.320 --> 00:14:01.399 to do that, we were going to have to purify everything that was standing 166 00:14:01.440 --> 00:14:05.440 in the way of that. And so the relationship became a reflection for both 167 00:14:05.480 --> 00:14:07.879 of us. Each one of us became a reflection for the other person to 168 00:14:07.919 --> 00:14:11.480 show the other person what they were still caring. And at first this was 169 00:14:11.600 --> 00:14:16.559 very unconscious. So we went through some really hard times. We had some 170 00:14:16.679 --> 00:14:20.919 real deep struggles, a lot of fights, a lot of misunderstandings, a 171 00:14:20.919 --> 00:14:26.519 lot of hertings, and this one on for years. Right I had to 172 00:14:26.559 --> 00:14:31.039 also provide for the family. Right as she's taking care of our daughter, 173 00:14:31.879 --> 00:14:37.399 I have to kind of find my way to developing an income, developing a 174 00:14:37.440 --> 00:14:41.159 brand new career. Because I had a background in film and in Vienna. 175 00:14:41.480 --> 00:14:46.480 This just wasn't working out and so these things are developing, right, I'm 176 00:14:46.519 --> 00:14:50.519 developing a career. Things start flowing in that direction. I become a content 177 00:14:50.600 --> 00:14:56.080 marketer, I start to specialize as an SEO consultant. That's going really, 178 00:14:56.120 --> 00:15:03.519 really well professionally. The relationship is really struggling, both with my wife and 179 00:15:03.559 --> 00:15:07.720 with my daughter. And so this is when it becomes clear, like I 180 00:15:07.799 --> 00:15:13.000 had all these incredible mystical experiences, I had all these deep connections, right, 181 00:15:13.360 --> 00:15:18.480 I had all these profound enlightenment experiences, and yet in my own life, 182 00:15:20.000 --> 00:15:24.600 in trying to live in the world, I am struggling to integrate these 183 00:15:24.960 --> 00:15:28.600 I'm struggling to live them, and I'm struggling to embody them. And so 184 00:15:30.039 --> 00:15:35.000 it became a journey of discovering what is standing in the way, What is 185 00:15:35.039 --> 00:15:37.000 it that I'm holding on to, What is all this pain? Right? 186 00:15:37.320 --> 00:15:43.240 What is keeping me from living a life that I always envisioned I was capable 187 00:15:43.240 --> 00:15:48.320 of living. And so a deep process of inner healing started to take place. 188 00:15:48.320 --> 00:15:52.679 Because I'd been through a lot of spiritual healing on a soul level, 189 00:15:52.759 --> 00:15:56.240 a lot of things had cleared, but now as a human being with human 190 00:15:56.320 --> 00:16:02.240 emotions, right, I had to handle that level and so I went to 191 00:16:02.320 --> 00:16:06.440 therapy. I did somatic experiencing therapy, internal family systems, like all kinds 192 00:16:06.480 --> 00:16:11.639 of things that worked really well for me to start to release all these things. 193 00:16:11.679 --> 00:16:15.919 And once that happened, once I was able to start to remove the 194 00:16:17.000 --> 00:16:22.159 blocks, the human blocks that were keeping this spiritual energy from being embodied in 195 00:16:22.240 --> 00:16:27.720 myself, right, that's when things started to really flow. Once I started 196 00:16:27.720 --> 00:16:33.840 to learn how to really allow my soul to flow through me, how to 197 00:16:33.919 --> 00:16:40.759 not be in conflict with the world, right, not make spirituality something internal 198 00:16:40.799 --> 00:16:44.639 where I'm in my process, I'm in my meditation, but when I come 199 00:16:44.679 --> 00:16:49.120 out of my meditation, my relationships in the world are an obstacle because I 200 00:16:49.200 --> 00:16:53.960 have to fight to hold these states. Right, Once I started to be 201 00:16:55.039 --> 00:16:59.440 able to relate to that energy, that divine energy that was in me, 202 00:16:59.759 --> 00:17:03.160 in everything else, and in my wife, right, once I start to 203 00:17:03.200 --> 00:17:07.680 clear all these emotional blocks and I stop seeing her as a threat, and 204 00:17:07.720 --> 00:17:11.079 I start seeing the divinity inside of her, and I start loving her, 205 00:17:11.519 --> 00:17:15.279 and I'm starting to love my children in this way, right, then that's 206 00:17:15.279 --> 00:17:18.880 when the energy starts to flow through me. And then that's when my life 207 00:17:18.880 --> 00:17:22.680 starts to take a brand new direction, and that is what then I wanted 208 00:17:22.680 --> 00:17:27.799 to share with other people, was how to live a life where we are 209 00:17:27.799 --> 00:17:33.079 completely aligned with our source, with ourselves and there is no conflict with the 210 00:17:33.119 --> 00:17:37.240 world around us. Right. I mean, I'm not there completely yet. 211 00:17:37.279 --> 00:17:41.440 I'm still in a learning process here, but I've had enough experience to realize 212 00:17:41.480 --> 00:17:45.599 that I can help other people to do this. Also, I can help 213 00:17:45.640 --> 00:17:51.519 other people to learn how to connect to that source through the world as opposed 214 00:17:51.559 --> 00:17:55.599 to feeling like they're living in opposition to the world, trying to lead some 215 00:17:55.720 --> 00:18:03.119 conceptual spiritual life. That was a good story. A lot of it resonates 216 00:18:03.160 --> 00:18:06.480 for me, especially the part about meeting your wife and stuff. I mean, 217 00:18:07.519 --> 00:18:12.200 I met my soon to be wife through doing this work. And it 218 00:18:12.240 --> 00:18:15.880 wasn't until I was fully immersed in doing this work, because for a few 219 00:18:15.960 --> 00:18:21.680 years I was doing it on and off and succeeding at it, then failing 220 00:18:21.680 --> 00:18:25.200 at it, then succeeding at it again, and you know, getting into 221 00:18:25.920 --> 00:18:30.119 challenges with business partners and stuff. But when I finally streamlined and I was 222 00:18:30.200 --> 00:18:36.799 like, Okay, I am going to give this my best shot again and 223 00:18:36.920 --> 00:18:41.799 completely block out everything that has been a distraction. Then one day, I 224 00:18:41.880 --> 00:18:45.279 was just speaking and then that's how I met her, and it was like 225 00:18:45.400 --> 00:18:52.480 complete alignment, complete connection. There were no barriers between us, and we 226 00:18:52.559 --> 00:18:59.680 immediately knew that not only did we know each other before in other lifetimes, 227 00:18:59.720 --> 00:19:03.200 but that we were meant to be together this time. And it was a 228 00:19:03.359 --> 00:19:11.000 whole body experience. And I think there are few people out there that can 229 00:19:11.039 --> 00:19:15.960 really say that for sure. And it's not because that reality doesn't exist for 230 00:19:17.000 --> 00:19:22.160 them. It's that there's so much stuff in between them and having that experience, 231 00:19:22.200 --> 00:19:26.240 and you know, you're talking about you were trying to live in a 232 00:19:26.279 --> 00:19:32.039 world, but you were struggling to integrate and embody those mystical and spiritual concepts, 233 00:19:32.039 --> 00:19:36.079 and that's pretty much what everybody is doing. That's pretty much what we're 234 00:19:36.119 --> 00:19:40.559 all doing, and we don't see it because, as I love to say, 235 00:19:40.640 --> 00:19:45.920 you don't see the picture when you're inside the frame, and we just 236 00:19:45.000 --> 00:19:51.200 really don't know what we don't know, and that's our biggest crutch in this 237 00:19:51.279 --> 00:19:55.519 life, that we kind of lean in the wrong direction, you know. 238 00:19:56.640 --> 00:20:00.680 So it's really good to hear that worry because I like to tell people that 239 00:20:00.720 --> 00:20:07.880 marriage is the highest expression of consciousness. See there's nothing like that that you 240 00:20:07.359 --> 00:20:12.039 can get without making a huge commitment, and most people think of it as 241 00:20:12.079 --> 00:20:19.440 signing your life away, which is an unfortunate viewpoint, you know. Yeah, 242 00:20:19.720 --> 00:20:22.480 I totally agree. I mean, it's a it's an incredible it's an 243 00:20:22.519 --> 00:20:30.880 incredible opportunity. Yeah, and it's a it's a reflection of the union between 244 00:20:30.920 --> 00:20:34.200 the divine masculine and the divine feminine, which are the fundamental creative forces of 245 00:20:34.200 --> 00:20:40.759 the universe. So when we learn to experience that in our human relationships, 246 00:20:40.759 --> 00:20:45.079 then we are experiencing that same union, that same energy, and we learned 247 00:20:45.160 --> 00:20:51.000 to express that power through us. Yeah, it's really great that you're you're 248 00:20:51.440 --> 00:20:56.920 so authentic with the way that you are speaking as well, because a lot 249 00:20:56.960 --> 00:21:02.279 of people get carried away on the waves of guruism. You know, it 250 00:21:02.319 --> 00:21:06.440 takes them in an interesting direction. I wouldn't say it's to the wrong direction. 251 00:21:07.039 --> 00:21:12.319 It's leading them somewhere. But at the same time, they don't bypass, 252 00:21:12.440 --> 00:21:15.920 like you said, those layers that they have to clear and those veils 253 00:21:15.960 --> 00:21:22.279 of the programming that they have to delete and level up their perceptions, and 254 00:21:22.319 --> 00:21:29.599 then it's difficult to really individuate and follow that inner compass because they think that 255 00:21:29.759 --> 00:21:33.440 somehow there's a split between their spiritual self and who they are as the human 256 00:21:33.480 --> 00:21:37.960 being. You know. So I was wondering if you could talk to us 257 00:21:37.039 --> 00:21:41.400 a little bit about some of the layers of perception that you had to get 258 00:21:41.519 --> 00:21:47.119 rid of and how you really found your authentic voice, you know, how 259 00:21:47.119 --> 00:21:52.559 you really started listening to that intuition. Because in my experience, almost all 260 00:21:52.599 --> 00:21:56.240 of my clients come to me and they're like, I can't hear my intuition. 261 00:21:56.519 --> 00:22:00.359 I don't know what my purpose is, I don't know which direction the 262 00:22:00.359 --> 00:22:03.359 windblows. I just kind of know it, you know, and and they 263 00:22:03.400 --> 00:22:10.240 struggle. Yeah, that is a that's a really good point. I Mean, 264 00:22:10.319 --> 00:22:12.519 one thing that I'd really like to say is that it is it's it's 265 00:22:12.559 --> 00:22:17.480 it's not. It's not necessarily a sudden process. Right, Like I first 266 00:22:17.519 --> 00:22:21.240 started to tap into my intuition, I first started to become aware of my 267 00:22:21.279 --> 00:22:25.359 intuition when I was twenty years old, right, but then I still went 268 00:22:25.440 --> 00:22:30.519 through periods of incredible doubt where I had no idea what to do, where 269 00:22:30.519 --> 00:22:33.559 I could not, for the life of me, feel that even in India 270 00:22:33.720 --> 00:22:40.359 at the astrom in one of the most powerful spiritual centers that I've I've ever 271 00:22:40.400 --> 00:22:44.599 felt with, I mean really incredible levels of energy at this Ashraman Penaconda. 272 00:22:45.440 --> 00:22:48.799 No idea what I'm supposed to be doing, no idea what direction I'm supposed 273 00:22:48.839 --> 00:22:53.440 to go. So it's a it's a I mean like it's a year's long 274 00:22:53.519 --> 00:22:57.720 process. I have to say, like in my experience, it's been a 275 00:22:57.799 --> 00:23:03.079 year's long process. Maybe not for everybody, but so some of those layers, 276 00:23:03.240 --> 00:23:08.839 right, So it's like in my understanding, there is we can develop 277 00:23:08.960 --> 00:23:15.359 our soul. Right, So a lot of what we did in India was 278 00:23:15.279 --> 00:23:18.559 it was a shockti path. So in other words, it was a path 279 00:23:18.599 --> 00:23:22.359 of connecting directly to the same cosmic power that is creating everything. Right, 280 00:23:22.359 --> 00:23:25.519 it's what we call the Divine Mother, the Creative Force, what's called the 281 00:23:25.519 --> 00:23:32.440 Holy Spirit in Christianity. Connecting directly to that right and then using that energy 282 00:23:32.480 --> 00:23:37.119 to charge and strengthen and make our souls stronger so that we're able to channel 283 00:23:37.160 --> 00:23:41.880 more energy. So that because the whole purpose of Swami Swami's mission, sam 284 00:23:41.000 --> 00:23:48.559 Kaleshwa's mission was to create master healers and spiritual masters who were directly connected in 285 00:23:48.599 --> 00:23:51.039 the same way that he was, in the same way that Jesus was, 286 00:23:51.359 --> 00:23:56.039 or Buddha or Shirdy Sai Baba, right. And so what I learned through 287 00:23:56.039 --> 00:24:00.359 my direct experiences was that it is possible to develop an incredible, powerful soul, 288 00:24:02.640 --> 00:24:07.640 I mean a soul that is capable of producing miracles, right, But 289 00:24:07.839 --> 00:24:15.319 developing a powerful soul and developing spiritually is not always the same thing as developing 290 00:24:15.359 --> 00:24:21.839 as a human being, and that those two things have to merge. And 291 00:24:21.960 --> 00:24:27.359 I saw in our lineage, in our in our path, people develop incredible 292 00:24:27.440 --> 00:24:33.759 capabilities, incredible healing abilities, but not have the ability to relate to other 293 00:24:33.839 --> 00:24:41.880 people or to treat them right with love and kindness. And so in my 294 00:24:42.000 --> 00:24:45.680 personal journey, that's what I had to discover. I had to discover what 295 00:24:45.720 --> 00:24:49.640 my personal blocks were. That's what Swami calls them, the human blocks, 296 00:24:49.960 --> 00:24:56.039 right, the emotional and mental patterns that we develop as human beings that keep 297 00:24:56.480 --> 00:25:00.960 that energy from flowing through our open heart and from flowing through our body. 298 00:25:02.680 --> 00:25:06.519 Right. And in my case, personally, there was a lot of anger, 299 00:25:07.400 --> 00:25:10.519 there was a lot of fear, and there was a lot of unworthiness, 300 00:25:11.079 --> 00:25:15.160 a lot of and this tracks back to when I was a child, 301 00:25:15.839 --> 00:25:19.200 and it actually tracks back for many, many lifetimes, right. I mean, 302 00:25:19.240 --> 00:25:23.920 if people can have past life recollections, they'll often have experiences like peak 303 00:25:25.000 --> 00:25:30.160 experiences where we develop judgments and conclusions. Like you know, we're in a 304 00:25:30.200 --> 00:25:34.400 lifetime where we're about to have a peak spiritual experience, and then we do 305 00:25:34.480 --> 00:25:38.400 something and we make a mistake, right, and then we form this core 306 00:25:38.519 --> 00:25:44.079 belief that we failed, that somehow we didn't have what it takes, that 307 00:25:44.200 --> 00:25:48.599 somehow we're not good enough. Right, And so now that core belief is 308 00:25:48.680 --> 00:25:52.400 now a key part of our mind because there's so much it's such a formative 309 00:25:52.440 --> 00:25:56.519 experience. We now carry that from lifetime to lifetime, and so we can 310 00:25:56.599 --> 00:26:02.160 hook into these things regardless of whether we have life recollection or not. It's 311 00:26:02.160 --> 00:26:06.720 going to manifest in our childhood. You know, whatever our core beliefs are 312 00:26:07.279 --> 00:26:11.720 are going to manifest. Whatever karmas we are carrying are going to manifest through 313 00:26:11.759 --> 00:26:15.880 our childhood or whatever karmas we have to go through in this particular lifetime, 314 00:26:17.440 --> 00:26:21.279 Right, it's going to manifest in our childhood. It's going to manifest in 315 00:26:21.400 --> 00:26:23.599 the parents that we have and how they're going to treat us and then how 316 00:26:23.640 --> 00:26:30.680 we're going to redevelop in this lifetime these core beliefs, most of which are 317 00:26:30.720 --> 00:26:36.599 absolutely false. They're based on principles of separation, right, They're not based 318 00:26:36.640 --> 00:26:45.640 on the reality of oneness and love. They're misunderstandings basically. So those were 319 00:26:45.720 --> 00:26:49.519 the blocks that I had to uncover, and it was my relationship that showed 320 00:26:49.519 --> 00:26:53.319 them to me, because when I was at the astrom, I was having 321 00:26:53.559 --> 00:27:00.559 deep spiritual experiences and then just kind of going and just being in my world. 322 00:27:00.599 --> 00:27:04.480 You know, I had friends, but I didn't have this close relationship 323 00:27:04.960 --> 00:27:11.079 where this part of me starts to come out. And as the more I 324 00:27:11.119 --> 00:27:14.759 become intimate with somebody, and the closer I become with somebody, and the 325 00:27:14.799 --> 00:27:19.160 more they behave in ways that remind me of the way that I was treated 326 00:27:19.160 --> 00:27:23.079 as a child, or that remind me of those core wounds, right, 327 00:27:23.240 --> 00:27:26.960 then these sites come out. The anger comes out, the fear comes out, 328 00:27:27.000 --> 00:27:30.880 the unworthiness comes out, the feeling that I'm not loved, that I'm 329 00:27:30.880 --> 00:27:33.519 not worthy of love right, that I don't deserve to be loved. They 330 00:27:33.559 --> 00:27:37.759 start to come out. The fear that I'm going to lose love, the 331 00:27:37.759 --> 00:27:41.880 fear that I'm going to be rejected. They suddenly start to spill out into 332 00:27:41.920 --> 00:27:45.920 the relationship, right, and then she's bringing her own side, she's bringing 333 00:27:45.960 --> 00:27:48.720 her own blocks. And when there's the initial lack of awareness around these blocks, 334 00:27:48.720 --> 00:27:52.319 and it's just they're just bumping into each other, right, they're just 335 00:27:52.359 --> 00:27:56.319 creating friction. And not necessarily everybody is going to go through this, but 336 00:27:56.400 --> 00:28:00.359 it was true in our case, we needed to go through this. We 337 00:28:00.400 --> 00:28:03.920 needed to experience the process of going through these blocks, because there are many 338 00:28:03.920 --> 00:28:08.440 people who do experience them, so you can't really help somebody through them if 339 00:28:08.440 --> 00:28:15.119 you haven't gotten through it yourself. But we went through it, and it 340 00:28:15.200 --> 00:28:21.759 created a lot of turmoil in our life. But we were also so committed 341 00:28:22.319 --> 00:28:26.200 to reaching that highest goal that as it was coming up, I mean sometimes 342 00:28:26.200 --> 00:28:33.680 it took years before we finally realized this is really basically ruining our life and 343 00:28:33.759 --> 00:28:37.279 ruining our relationship, and we need to do something about that, and we 344 00:28:37.319 --> 00:28:40.559 need help. And when we started to ask for help, when we started 345 00:28:40.559 --> 00:28:44.920 to take responsibility for Okay, I'm not going to blame you anymore. This 346 00:28:45.039 --> 00:28:48.039 is actually not your fault. This is something that I'm carrying. And then 347 00:28:48.079 --> 00:28:52.079 we start to turn back to the divine and say, help me with this. 348 00:28:52.559 --> 00:28:56.079 I'm doing my best to open up to this, but I'm really stuck, 349 00:28:56.720 --> 00:28:59.839 and so turning to the divine right. In our case, we had 350 00:29:00.039 --> 00:29:03.559 a teacher that we could connect with. He had already left his body, 351 00:29:03.079 --> 00:29:07.200 but he was kind of a doorway to the divine for us, so we 352 00:29:07.200 --> 00:29:08.680 could call on him. You can call on Jesus, you can call on 353 00:29:08.720 --> 00:29:12.279 any divine soul, call on the Divine Father, the Divine Mother, whatever 354 00:29:12.759 --> 00:29:18.240 our hearts are open to. And then the moment we start to heartfully pray 355 00:29:18.359 --> 00:29:25.480 and ask, then the divine energy can come and provide solutions, either insights 356 00:29:25.720 --> 00:29:30.599 or just clear things in us, or actually bring into our life a therapist, 357 00:29:30.880 --> 00:29:34.440 right, or a nutritional supplement that's going to help balance our biochemistry. 358 00:29:34.519 --> 00:29:37.519 Right. And then step by step we go through this, and then it's 359 00:29:37.519 --> 00:29:40.559 the next layer, and then it's the next layer, and then it's the 360 00:29:40.599 --> 00:29:45.160 next layer. And there has to we had to have this determination that no 361 00:29:45.200 --> 00:29:48.880 matter how hard it got, we had to keep going, even though there 362 00:29:48.880 --> 00:29:52.920 were moments where we felt hopeless and helpless, like there was no way out. 363 00:29:52.920 --> 00:29:56.440 We just felt stuck in whatever loop we were in. But eventually, 364 00:29:56.799 --> 00:30:04.240 because we never gave up. Excuse me, Eventually there was a breakthrough. 365 00:30:07.119 --> 00:30:12.359 Eventually there was enough cleared and enough lifted. Right. Eventually I was able 366 00:30:12.400 --> 00:30:17.359 to open up enough to the pain that I had been carrying, that had 367 00:30:17.359 --> 00:30:21.359 been causing me to behave in this way what I had locked inside right. 368 00:30:22.200 --> 00:30:26.839 And once I started to be able to open up to that right, now, 369 00:30:26.119 --> 00:30:34.079 my heart was truly opening. And that's what I've learned about spirituality. 370 00:30:34.119 --> 00:30:41.359 That's the key mechanism is the open heart. That's the key to bridge the 371 00:30:41.400 --> 00:30:47.440 spiritual and the human. The soul and our physical experience is the open heart. 372 00:30:48.720 --> 00:30:52.400 And when we have painful experiences that have closed our hearts, excuse me, 373 00:31:03.279 --> 00:31:07.920 When I had all these painful experiences that had caused my heart to close, 374 00:31:07.960 --> 00:31:11.920 then there was no way that all of this development and evolution that my 375 00:31:11.960 --> 00:31:18.599 soul had gone through could flow through me. It was literally blocked. And 376 00:31:18.640 --> 00:31:25.759 once my heart started to open, it started to open to everything. So 377 00:31:25.799 --> 00:31:29.480 in other words, now I could be open to things that had been too 378 00:31:29.519 --> 00:31:33.720 painful for me as a child, emotions that had been too painful for me. 379 00:31:33.559 --> 00:31:38.640 My soul could stay open and blossoming while I experience these things, And 380 00:31:38.720 --> 00:31:42.839 so once my heart and my soul were able to be open to the fuller 381 00:31:42.960 --> 00:31:48.079 range of experiences, my heart could stay open to others as well. So 382 00:31:48.119 --> 00:31:52.799 now my heart could stay open to my wife when she is going through a 383 00:31:52.839 --> 00:31:56.799 difficult moment. When she is going through a difficult time, I can just 384 00:31:56.799 --> 00:32:00.759 be present old space, be still with her, right and now, because 385 00:32:00.759 --> 00:32:04.720 of all of this work that I've done on a soul level, when my 386 00:32:04.799 --> 00:32:10.039 heart is open to somebody else, that energy is flowing through, that love 387 00:32:10.160 --> 00:32:15.480 is flowing through, that divine love is flowing through in a way that it 388 00:32:15.519 --> 00:32:22.359 couldn't before, and that is transforming right. And the same thing is happening 389 00:32:22.400 --> 00:32:25.200 through her. When I'm opening my heart to her and her heart is open 390 00:32:25.279 --> 00:32:30.759 to me, that huge love, huge energy is flowing into my life and 391 00:32:30.839 --> 00:32:39.000 empowering me. But it took going through those blocks and those human layers to 392 00:32:39.079 --> 00:32:42.680 get to that point. And we're still going through them, by the way, 393 00:32:43.079 --> 00:32:46.759 but we're going through them from a different place. Now. We're going 394 00:32:46.759 --> 00:32:50.880 through them from a place where we are able to be with them as they 395 00:32:50.920 --> 00:32:53.160 come up or even if they take over a little bit for a little while. 396 00:32:53.880 --> 00:33:00.599 It's not a long time before that openness can reestablish itself, can re 397 00:33:00.839 --> 00:33:05.839 enter into that state of union. Well, David, I hope that some 398 00:33:06.000 --> 00:33:12.359 people who are listening will send you an email after this and ask you for 399 00:33:12.759 --> 00:33:20.559 advice, because I find that a lot of my clients, which are men, 400 00:33:21.240 --> 00:33:29.839 they struggle with their relationships and they are carrying societal programming these expectations. 401 00:33:30.480 --> 00:33:36.400 You know, there's actually a book by Philip Simbardo. I think it's about 402 00:33:36.839 --> 00:33:45.400 the Demise of Guys, and it describes very beautifully how society has shaped men 403 00:33:45.640 --> 00:33:52.119 into ignoring that part of themselves that has the capacity to acknowledge that the pain 404 00:33:52.160 --> 00:33:58.359 that they feel in the present is as a result of childhood or past lives. 405 00:33:58.400 --> 00:34:02.640 Because I'm constantly hard to people that the childhood trauma narrative is overplayed, 406 00:34:02.640 --> 00:34:07.559 and it's just like it's used as a plaster on every wound now where sometimes 407 00:34:07.559 --> 00:34:12.760 you poke around in somebody's subconscious mind. And they were successful as a child, 408 00:34:12.880 --> 00:34:15.719 they were joyful as a child, they were completely satisfied with the way 409 00:34:15.760 --> 00:34:21.599 their parents treated them. But their problems are coming from an experience in a 410 00:34:21.599 --> 00:34:27.400 different lifetime, or they're coming from a decision that they made in early teenage 411 00:34:27.440 --> 00:34:30.000 years or early adulthood, and you know, they're fifty five and they're screwing 412 00:34:30.079 --> 00:34:37.440 up their life because they made a decision that changed their positive early childhood programming 413 00:34:37.639 --> 00:34:45.960 into something negative as an adult. And it's interesting because I feel like, 414 00:34:45.159 --> 00:34:50.559 in any case, there's these fragments of ourselves that exist on all these different 415 00:34:50.599 --> 00:34:53.599 timelines that creep up on us and they just kind of go, hey, 416 00:34:54.800 --> 00:34:59.880 let's go screw something up, you know, and then before you know it, 417 00:35:00.440 --> 00:35:06.079 you're arguing with your best friend or your wife or a parent or whoever, 418 00:35:06.119 --> 00:35:12.639 and it's just completely closed off. And we get into this narrative inside 419 00:35:12.639 --> 00:35:17.360 of ourselves where anger is not love, sadness is not love, every other 420 00:35:17.440 --> 00:35:22.599 emotion is not love. Somehow it's not love that's trying to be expressed, 421 00:35:23.400 --> 00:35:28.440 or it's not something that's trying to be resolved. So we can reopen and 422 00:35:28.639 --> 00:35:34.199 reawaken and recenter and move forward. Many people want to stay stuck. And 423 00:35:35.199 --> 00:35:40.199 I'm just giving you an account of what I see that people bring. And 424 00:35:40.920 --> 00:35:44.840 tons of people send me emails when they listen to the guests and stuff, 425 00:35:44.840 --> 00:35:47.039 and they say, oh, these are what my problems are. And I 426 00:35:47.159 --> 00:35:52.159 realized that it's valuable feedback because it tells me what's going on out there, 427 00:35:52.079 --> 00:35:57.320 and it was really good to hear you say what you were saying, because 428 00:35:58.000 --> 00:36:00.920 it is the ability to relate to other people with loving kindness that we lack. 429 00:36:01.000 --> 00:36:07.360 The most people think that because you're angry, because you're sad, that 430 00:36:07.360 --> 00:36:10.119 that is an indicator of having a closed heart, but not necessarily right. 431 00:36:12.519 --> 00:36:15.800 I mean, I would say that oftentimes it can be an indicator of having 432 00:36:15.840 --> 00:36:22.239 an incredibly sensitive heart exactly exactly, and that as a sensitive hearts. Those 433 00:36:22.239 --> 00:36:28.000 are the strategies that we developed to respond to a world that, you know, 434 00:36:28.039 --> 00:36:30.480 when we did not have a discerning mind, felt like a threat. 435 00:36:30.760 --> 00:36:35.960 Yeah, yeah, exactly. How could you not feel like there's a threat. 436 00:36:35.960 --> 00:36:39.719 There's always something going on, and you know, something as simple as 437 00:36:42.320 --> 00:36:46.360 not knowing what it feels like to be safe, or you know, maybe 438 00:36:46.360 --> 00:36:50.559 it's not safe to be loved is a program that we have, or it's 439 00:36:50.599 --> 00:36:54.920 not safe to succeed, or it's not okay to express your truth because it'll 440 00:36:54.960 --> 00:37:00.000 somehow threaten your lifestyle or the threaten to people around you, or you know, 441 00:37:00.079 --> 00:37:05.119 society won't like you, or I'm not good enough. That's a huge 442 00:37:05.119 --> 00:37:07.840 core belief that most people carry in one way or another, and they're always 443 00:37:07.880 --> 00:37:10.360 at risk of developing it, even if they think they don't have it. 444 00:37:10.360 --> 00:37:19.039 It'll come up at some point from somewhere, and it just I think that 445 00:37:19.079 --> 00:37:22.719 it's the real pandemic. Honestly, I'm not good enough as the real pandemic, 446 00:37:22.800 --> 00:37:25.960 and that's what gets the majority of us into a lot of problems and 447 00:37:27.000 --> 00:37:31.239 we don't know how to solve. So I was just curious if you could 448 00:37:31.800 --> 00:37:36.800 provide a little bit more insight for everyone about that, and then I want 449 00:37:36.800 --> 00:37:44.199 to move into shriek A Leshwar's teachings. Oh sure, so more information about 450 00:37:44.199 --> 00:37:47.800 the impact that I'm not good enough as Yeah, yeah, because I get 451 00:37:47.840 --> 00:37:52.800 a lot of emails of people and they're like, you know, some guests 452 00:37:52.840 --> 00:37:57.719 said this and it got them to think about this, and the things that 453 00:37:57.800 --> 00:38:02.920 you're saying are incredibly healing and be a will provide a lot of grown for 454 00:38:04.000 --> 00:38:09.039 people to stand on and really ponder. Hope. So the concept of being 455 00:38:09.039 --> 00:38:15.480 good enough means in their life you know, yeah, ah, I'm not 456 00:38:15.519 --> 00:38:20.039 good enough? Yeah that is. It's a virus, Yeah, it really 457 00:38:20.119 --> 00:38:30.039 is. It really is a virus that has infected most of humanity if we 458 00:38:34.239 --> 00:38:43.360 if we aren't living in now. Let me put this a different way. 459 00:38:43.559 --> 00:38:50.599 When we experience separation from the divine, yeah, and everybody does, it 460 00:38:50.719 --> 00:38:55.000 is a part of being human the moment the umbilical cord gets cut. These 461 00:38:55.000 --> 00:38:59.159 are part of the teachings of Street Colorshua. When we're in the womb of 462 00:38:59.239 --> 00:39:02.000 our mother, our mother's womb is connected to her mother's womb, and that 463 00:39:02.039 --> 00:39:06.679 goes all the way back to the divine mother's womb, right. In other 464 00:39:06.719 --> 00:39:10.440 words, the divine mother's womb is the entire creation. And so when we 465 00:39:10.480 --> 00:39:15.239 are in our mother's womb, we are having a direct experience of oneness both 466 00:39:15.280 --> 00:39:20.400 with her and with the entire creation. We're in a state of total bliss 467 00:39:20.400 --> 00:39:24.719 on a soul and consciousness level. So we experience that, and we experience 468 00:39:24.800 --> 00:39:29.800 the joy of that. So every soul has a memory of that even in 469 00:39:29.840 --> 00:39:35.320 this lifetime. The moment we come out and we emerge from our mother's womb 470 00:39:35.599 --> 00:39:43.199 and that cord gets cut, we are now experiencing separation, and it is 471 00:39:43.360 --> 00:39:51.519 painful. It is really exactly that's exactly right. It is profoundly painful. 472 00:39:51.559 --> 00:39:58.480 If we are not that The only antidote to that is to have an unconditionally 473 00:39:58.639 --> 00:40:04.039 loving mother who is completely connected herself. If that's what we had, like 474 00:40:04.119 --> 00:40:08.039 Mother Mary, for example, right the way that Jesus had, then we 475 00:40:08.239 --> 00:40:14.800 have somebody who themselves, being connected to the source, is loving us and 476 00:40:14.920 --> 00:40:19.400 loving our soul. And that's a solve. That's the balm that our soul 477 00:40:19.480 --> 00:40:23.480 needs, so that we can hold both the experience of separation and the feeling 478 00:40:23.559 --> 00:40:28.880 of oneness together at the same time and we don't get lost in the separation. 479 00:40:29.000 --> 00:40:32.280 But that is not what happens in ninety nine zero point nine percent of 480 00:40:32.320 --> 00:40:37.559 the cases in this world right now. In fact, it's the opposite. 481 00:40:37.679 --> 00:40:40.679 Most of our mothers are themselves wounded. Their own hearts are closed, their 482 00:40:40.760 --> 00:40:47.280 own hearts are clenched shut because of the pain that they've experienced. So when 483 00:40:47.280 --> 00:40:52.199 we come into this world, not only do we feel the pain of separation, 484 00:40:52.199 --> 00:40:57.039 but we do not feel the presence of that deep divine love that we 485 00:40:57.119 --> 00:41:00.760 need. The mother's love is there, and it's profound, Okay, it's 486 00:41:00.760 --> 00:41:06.159 a human love, but it's not always enough to give our soul that boost 487 00:41:06.239 --> 00:41:08.760 that it needs to stay up. And that pain is so strong the soul 488 00:41:08.840 --> 00:41:13.400 starts to come down, right, it can't handle it, It can't stay 489 00:41:13.480 --> 00:41:19.760 in that experience right, and so the illusion starts to cover right, the 490 00:41:19.880 --> 00:41:28.639 karmas start to play on that soul, and anytime we have another experience of 491 00:41:28.679 --> 00:41:34.199 separation, anytime something happens that is painful, and we don't have that unconditionally 492 00:41:34.360 --> 00:41:39.119 loving presence to let our soul know that it's okay. It's okay that you're 493 00:41:39.199 --> 00:41:44.639 hurting, because you're okay exactly the way you are, you are connected to 494 00:41:44.679 --> 00:41:47.639 the divine. You can have this experience and you're going to be fine. 495 00:41:47.920 --> 00:41:52.960 Right. Because we don't have that, Eventually, we start to develop these 496 00:41:52.079 --> 00:41:57.480 feelings and these thoughts that no matter what we do, it isn't enough. 497 00:41:59.039 --> 00:42:06.559 Rightly, if we have wounded parents who they're following their own programming, are 498 00:42:06.599 --> 00:42:12.360 not able to hold unconditionally loving space, they don't have the ability to look 499 00:42:12.400 --> 00:42:15.280 at their own emotions right. They don't have the ability to look at what 500 00:42:15.320 --> 00:42:20.880 they're caring, and so anything that is uncomfortable for them is to either be 501 00:42:21.000 --> 00:42:24.760 shunned, rejected, fought against. Right. So, if a child is 502 00:42:24.840 --> 00:42:30.400 expressing pain, this hurts, This experience is painful. The way that your 503 00:42:30.480 --> 00:42:36.840 behaving towards me is painful, and they express that as anger or outbursts or 504 00:42:36.920 --> 00:42:40.920 difficult behavior. Right, then there's not an understanding of that boom that gets 505 00:42:40.920 --> 00:42:46.800 batted down or whatever the reaction is. Then there's this feeling of I'm not 506 00:42:46.880 --> 00:42:53.840 okay. We start to develop all kinds of strategies to win our parents' approval 507 00:42:53.840 --> 00:42:58.760 and to win our parents' love because it's not flowing in an unconditional way, 508 00:42:59.119 --> 00:43:02.760 and so then we start to develop the feeling of no matter what I do, 509 00:43:04.800 --> 00:43:07.159 it isn't enough. I should actually say that this is my personal experience, 510 00:43:07.199 --> 00:43:10.400 this is my personal reflections, because I think people might have different flavors 511 00:43:10.440 --> 00:43:14.440 of it or might have something completely different, So I can only speak from 512 00:43:14.480 --> 00:43:16.599 my own experience. Yeah, there's so many different flavors of it. But 513 00:43:16.639 --> 00:43:22.280 what you're saying, you know, it's not different from a lot of other 514 00:43:22.440 --> 00:43:28.400 experiences I've heard, and I definitely know what it feels like to have a 515 00:43:28.440 --> 00:43:31.639 similar experience with my parents. My parents will never admit that they did anything 516 00:43:32.280 --> 00:43:37.280 less than imperfect, and there's some people that are like that. I think 517 00:43:37.320 --> 00:43:39.880 we have to learn to live with that. Yeah, we have to realize 518 00:43:39.880 --> 00:43:43.920 that that's a manifestation of their wounds, and that's not our problem. Really, 519 00:43:44.280 --> 00:43:46.239 yes, exactly, sound cold, but it's not our problem. Well, 520 00:43:46.239 --> 00:43:49.920 they did their best. They did their best with what they had, 521 00:43:50.480 --> 00:43:53.239 you know, with where they were at that time and their ability or inability 522 00:43:53.280 --> 00:43:57.760 to stay open to what they were caring. So it's totally understandable, and 523 00:43:57.760 --> 00:44:00.960 that's why it's so important that we forgive them. That's why I give them, 524 00:44:00.960 --> 00:44:04.639 and you know, forgive them and move on because it's not we can't 525 00:44:04.719 --> 00:44:08.159 make anybody see any differently than you know, how they see. It's for 526 00:44:08.199 --> 00:44:15.920 them to realize. I think sometimes we get into the spiritual mode and we 527 00:44:15.920 --> 00:44:19.880 we want to forgive, but we don't want to forget, you know, 528 00:44:19.960 --> 00:44:24.159 like just let it go. You were saying earlier about moving through, and 529 00:44:24.199 --> 00:44:27.360 that's exactly what we need to do. We need to move through it, 530 00:44:27.519 --> 00:44:31.199 move past it, and just let it be. It's called let ye reason. 531 00:44:31.920 --> 00:44:35.800 So again, I'm sorry, I said it's called letting go for a 532 00:44:35.840 --> 00:44:44.039 reason. Yeah, letting go? Yeah, yeah, I uh, I'll 533 00:44:44.119 --> 00:44:47.440 jump back on that. But I just kind of wanted to finish the the 534 00:44:47.440 --> 00:44:52.719 the through line that that was that I that I was talking about if that's 535 00:44:52.719 --> 00:44:57.239 okay, yes, yeah, So in my experience, because I'm gonna start 536 00:44:57.239 --> 00:45:01.039 to talk more directly from my experience, what happened to me, right, 537 00:45:01.639 --> 00:45:07.239 was I then started to try to find ways of behaving right. So, 538 00:45:07.320 --> 00:45:10.119 first of all, what happens is I'm no longer living from my soul. 539 00:45:10.400 --> 00:45:14.679 My soul is trying to express itself through me, and that starts to get 540 00:45:14.760 --> 00:45:17.159 batted down. So now my mind starts to take over. Especially as my 541 00:45:17.199 --> 00:45:22.119 mind starts to develop and my mind, right, my energy starts to move 542 00:45:22.159 --> 00:45:25.239 away from my heart, move away from my soul, right because these experiences 543 00:45:25.280 --> 00:45:29.599 are too painful, starts to move up into my mind, and my mind 544 00:45:29.599 --> 00:45:32.360 starts to take over and starts to take control, and it starts to consciously 545 00:45:32.400 --> 00:45:37.679 and unconsciously find ways that I can behave that is going to win approval and 546 00:45:37.719 --> 00:45:43.000 that it's going to win love. Right. But the expectations are not being 547 00:45:43.039 --> 00:45:47.280 spoken, right, I'm not being told how I'm supposed to be in order 548 00:45:47.360 --> 00:45:54.760 to somehow magically unlock my mother's heart. And so what happens is this battle, 549 00:45:54.920 --> 00:46:00.199 this internal battle of I'm constantly trying to behave in a certain way to 550 00:46:00.280 --> 00:46:05.159 win her approval. It doesn't work, I get emotional and angry. There's 551 00:46:05.159 --> 00:46:08.079 a reaction against that. And so what ends up creating is this mindset and 552 00:46:08.119 --> 00:46:13.840 this core belief that it doesn't matter what I do, it's never enough. 553 00:46:14.960 --> 00:46:19.039 I'm not enough just the way that I am in order to receive love, 554 00:46:19.239 --> 00:46:22.199 I'm not enough, and no matter what I do, it's never enough. 555 00:46:22.480 --> 00:46:27.880 So now fast forward thirty years later, thirty five years later, and I'm 556 00:46:27.880 --> 00:46:34.960 a successful professional who is still plagued by this, right, I mean not 557 00:46:35.119 --> 00:46:38.239 so much, more like the tendencies are still there. Right. But when 558 00:46:38.239 --> 00:46:44.760 I was not conscious of this, no matter how successful I was, no 559 00:46:44.800 --> 00:46:49.760 matter how much feedback I got that I was doing really good work and people 560 00:46:49.800 --> 00:46:52.440 wanted to keep hiring me and recommend me in the work that I was doing. 561 00:46:52.480 --> 00:46:59.320 Beforehand, I was constantly in a feeling, constantly feeling like I don't 562 00:46:59.360 --> 00:47:04.960 have what it takes, I'm not enough. I was constantly terrified that people 563 00:47:04.960 --> 00:47:07.880 were going to judge me, that people were going to reject me. I 564 00:47:07.920 --> 00:47:14.079 was terrified of sending emails to people because I was afraid that if I didn't 565 00:47:14.079 --> 00:47:17.760 word it perfectly, if it wasn't perfect, then I could be rejected and 566 00:47:17.760 --> 00:47:22.679 I could re experience this pain that I experienced as a child. And once 567 00:47:22.719 --> 00:47:24.679 I started to become aware of that, it was like, Oh, I 568 00:47:24.719 --> 00:47:29.519 can talk to that child. I can take care of that child. I 569 00:47:29.519 --> 00:47:32.320 can tell that child that you are enough. I see what's happening. You 570 00:47:32.320 --> 00:47:37.119 are just feeling scared. You had this painful experience, and most importantly, 571 00:47:37.519 --> 00:47:44.199 it's okay to now feel that pain. And let's feel that pain together, 572 00:47:44.800 --> 00:47:47.000 because you don't have to hide it away anymore. You don't have to push 573 00:47:47.039 --> 00:47:52.599 it down anymore. I can keep my heart open now and I can be 574 00:47:52.679 --> 00:47:54.800 that source of love for you. And it's not me, it's through me. 575 00:47:55.280 --> 00:48:00.199 I've opened up enough to the divine. I've opened up to jesez is 576 00:48:00.199 --> 00:48:04.280 the mother, the father. So now I'm here to provide you with that 577 00:48:04.440 --> 00:48:07.880 love and for you to feel that love. So now we can hold both 578 00:48:07.920 --> 00:48:14.159 together. You can experience the oneness and the love and experience the pain at 579 00:48:14.199 --> 00:48:17.119 the same time, so that the pain doesn't take over. It can be 580 00:48:17.320 --> 00:48:24.000 integrated, it can be processed, and then it can be transformed and it 581 00:48:24.039 --> 00:48:29.840 doesn't stick anymore. And so that's been the core process that I've had with 582 00:48:30.119 --> 00:48:35.719 getting through that I'm not enough and the tendency is still there. That's something 583 00:48:35.719 --> 00:48:40.079 that tre Koleeshwor said. He said, twenty five percent of your blocks will 584 00:48:40.119 --> 00:48:45.119 always be there. You'll be able to watch seventy five percent, but the 585 00:48:45.199 --> 00:48:50.280 tendencies, the habitual movement in that direction is always going to be there, 586 00:48:50.679 --> 00:48:55.840 but we will have a different way to relate to it. That's an interesting 587 00:48:55.920 --> 00:49:04.559 theory. Uh so I'm not enough. Yeah, it's a it's a it's 588 00:49:04.559 --> 00:49:07.559 a core wound that a lot of people have a heartbreak that a lot of 589 00:49:07.559 --> 00:49:15.920 people carry. Yeah, it really is. We were going to talk about 590 00:49:15.960 --> 00:49:19.119 something else. I think we forgot you, you said the teachings of stree 591 00:49:19.159 --> 00:49:24.000 Klash were. Yeah. Yeah, I mean I think that could be a 592 00:49:24.039 --> 00:49:29.360 whole other podcast or like two or three different episodes because it's a lot of 593 00:49:29.400 --> 00:49:35.119 stuff. I mean, Jenna tried to give me a little taste of it, 594 00:49:35.199 --> 00:49:37.639 and I was like, wow, that's a lot of stuff. At 595 00:49:37.400 --> 00:49:43.440 it's so much stuff. But I mean, what was the first thing that 596 00:49:43.519 --> 00:49:50.840 really impacted you when I was learning from Street Clash Wark. Yeah, yeah, 597 00:49:51.280 --> 00:49:54.800 the first teaching or the first experience. Okay, what was the first 598 00:49:54.840 --> 00:50:00.800 teaching that hit you hard enough that it made a major shift in the way 599 00:50:00.840 --> 00:50:07.960 you thought about things and you you implemented new practices. Okay, there were 600 00:50:07.000 --> 00:50:10.760 a lot, right, but I would say that there was the moment where 601 00:50:10.800 --> 00:50:14.920 I started to realize this is that this is teaching on a different level. 602 00:50:15.559 --> 00:50:22.760 Was There's something called the shreet chakra uh and the street chakra he refers to 603 00:50:22.079 --> 00:50:30.320 as the blueprint of the Divine Mother's womb. So the whole creation is can 604 00:50:30.360 --> 00:50:35.000 be considered as the womb of the Divine Mother and the Divine Mother. Right, 605 00:50:35.039 --> 00:50:37.840 there's a there's a point called the not a Bindu, and the not 606 00:50:38.000 --> 00:50:46.719 a Bindu is that infinitesimally small point where on the one side is creation and 607 00:50:46.840 --> 00:50:52.599 form and everything that we see and experience. On the other side is the 608 00:50:52.639 --> 00:50:59.599 formlessness, pure consciousness, pure potential, pure silence, pure stillness. The 609 00:50:59.639 --> 00:51:02.960 link between the two is what's called the n a Bindu and what we call 610 00:51:04.000 --> 00:51:07.079 the Divine Mother. The Holy Spirit is the force, the energy, the 611 00:51:07.119 --> 00:51:14.400 consciousness that sits at the not a Bindu and pulls the formless, the seed 612 00:51:14.599 --> 00:51:17.960 of the formless, through the non a Bindu into the creation and gives it 613 00:51:19.079 --> 00:51:27.119 vibration. It gives it everything that comes through a unique vibration, and that 614 00:51:27.199 --> 00:51:31.599 becomes the building block for the entire creation. And so the teachings that struck 615 00:51:31.639 --> 00:51:37.800 me was there is a yontra of the Shri chakra, and it's two sets 616 00:51:37.800 --> 00:51:44.159 of concentric circles with several triangles that go through and this is a representation of 617 00:51:44.239 --> 00:51:49.880 the structure of how this mechanism works. And on the outside of the outer 618 00:51:49.960 --> 00:51:55.760 concentric circle is a ring of pedals like lotus pedals, and inside of every 619 00:51:55.800 --> 00:52:05.920 pedal is a bija and each bija is a seed sound, a seed vibration, 620 00:52:06.639 --> 00:52:09.400 Like if you break down all vibrations into its elements, you're gonna have 621 00:52:09.480 --> 00:52:19.639 these individual syllables like yah ma ta Jam goes on and on when you combine. 622 00:52:20.239 --> 00:52:27.039 So the first layer is just these singular beijes. The second layer is 623 00:52:27.079 --> 00:52:30.800 the first layer be just combined together. So now you have yah yah yama 624 00:52:30.960 --> 00:52:39.719 ya ta right the third layer you start to develop additional combinations. When I 625 00:52:39.760 --> 00:52:47.400 saw that, I have this insight that oh that's everything. Everything is made 626 00:52:47.440 --> 00:52:54.079 that way. Samy also said that these beajes are angels. In other words, 627 00:52:54.159 --> 00:53:00.840 when the divine mother is pulling the seed of the Divine Father's energy into 628 00:53:00.880 --> 00:53:08.239 the creation. What she's creating are angels when we take those vibrations, when 629 00:53:08.239 --> 00:53:14.920 she takes those vibrations and starts to combine them together to form more complex vibrations. 630 00:53:15.920 --> 00:53:19.800 Like you can look at a tree, you can look at a dog, 631 00:53:19.920 --> 00:53:22.760 you can look at a rock, and if you have that in or 632 00:53:22.920 --> 00:53:28.199 knowing, you would be able to see what the combination of vibrations is that 633 00:53:28.280 --> 00:53:34.920 has created that. But what it also means is that it is a combination 634 00:53:35.000 --> 00:53:42.000 of angels. It means that the entire creation is made up of angels. 635 00:53:43.480 --> 00:53:52.440 Everything is angelic energy, everything is angels the whole creation. When that dawned 636 00:53:52.480 --> 00:53:55.280 on me through his teachings, that's when I realized this is next level stuff, 637 00:53:58.920 --> 00:54:02.480 because that's how we were late to the creation. We connect through the 638 00:54:02.519 --> 00:54:08.159 angels. It is the angels that do God's work. In other words, 639 00:54:08.199 --> 00:54:14.079 it is God's will is expressed through the angels. And so God's will is 640 00:54:14.119 --> 00:54:20.000 constantly being expressed through every single thing that's being created. And it's only stopped 641 00:54:20.039 --> 00:54:23.119 me by the way at any point, because I have a tendency I will 642 00:54:23.239 --> 00:54:31.880 go deep down rabbit hole of these teachings God's will is constantly being expressed. 643 00:54:32.760 --> 00:54:38.079 God's consciousness is contained, His seed is contained inside of every single bijia and 644 00:54:38.119 --> 00:54:43.719 inside of every single angel that makes up all of creation. But in the 645 00:54:43.800 --> 00:54:47.599 creation, there's a process of evolution, and at some point in that process 646 00:54:47.639 --> 00:54:51.719 of evolution, right, it starts to go from the very basic forms of 647 00:54:51.760 --> 00:54:54.679 matter like minerals and rocks, it starts to evolve into plants, it evolves 648 00:54:54.719 --> 00:55:00.480 into animals, and at some point in the process of the evolution of sciousness 649 00:55:00.559 --> 00:55:05.800 inside of creation, we start to develop beings that have the ability to be 650 00:55:05.840 --> 00:55:13.639 self aware. We have beings that have the ability to awaken to that consciousness, 651 00:55:14.800 --> 00:55:22.000 and those are human beings. Our soul is one of those angels that 652 00:55:22.119 --> 00:55:27.440 has evolved to the point where it can inhabit a form that is capable of 653 00:55:27.559 --> 00:55:34.039 reawakening to our fundamental nature. And once we reawaken to that fundamental nature, 654 00:55:35.159 --> 00:55:38.400 we see that fundamental nature in everything, and that's what we relate to, 655 00:55:38.679 --> 00:55:44.480 that's what we connect to, that's what we love. We start to experience 656 00:55:44.559 --> 00:55:54.719 God's will being done through everything at all times. Yeah, you got me 657 00:55:54.760 --> 00:55:59.199 with that one I was thinking about. I said, you got me with 658 00:55:59.239 --> 00:56:02.639 that one. Just thinking about what you were saying deeply, because I've heard 659 00:56:02.639 --> 00:56:07.360 some of this before, you know, and it still resonates the same way 660 00:56:07.360 --> 00:56:12.239 that it does. This is the first time that I would have had anybody 661 00:56:12.280 --> 00:56:15.400 on the podcast talking about this kind of thing. And I'm just trying to 662 00:56:15.400 --> 00:56:19.159 think of the question to ask you, do you mind? Do you mind 663 00:56:19.159 --> 00:56:22.320 if I bring it down in birth a little bit? Because that's what that's 664 00:56:22.320 --> 00:56:23.320 what my wife is all the time time. It's like, man, you 665 00:56:23.400 --> 00:56:28.800 go way up in the space and you're talking about bring it down to earth. 666 00:56:29.920 --> 00:56:30.920 Yeah, you can bring it down if you want to. I just 667 00:56:30.920 --> 00:56:34.559 wanted to ask you this question first. Oh yeah, sure, suure. 668 00:56:35.079 --> 00:56:39.239 Well, what is one simple thing that everyone listening can do to access God's 669 00:56:39.280 --> 00:56:44.320 consciousness? Oh? Yeah, okay, it's in a word. It's love. 670 00:56:46.199 --> 00:56:53.239 It's love. When we love, whether we know it or not, 671 00:56:54.800 --> 00:57:01.039 it is our soul opening up and reflecting that love that is beyond creation, 672 00:57:01.360 --> 00:57:08.199 the love of the Father. And when it comes through our heart, it 673 00:57:08.280 --> 00:57:15.119 comes through as the Divine Mother, her energy. Her shocked you because now 674 00:57:15.119 --> 00:57:21.119 it's in form. Now it's in the creation. So when we love anything 675 00:57:22.159 --> 00:57:28.159 with an open heart, it is a process of God's love flowing through our 676 00:57:28.199 --> 00:57:34.280 heart and to whatever the object is that we are loving, and so we 677 00:57:34.320 --> 00:57:37.559 are experiencing a state of union, and we experience a state of oneness. 678 00:57:38.920 --> 00:57:45.000 So when we learn to love others as God, when we learn to see 679 00:57:45.000 --> 00:57:52.960 that light inside of another, when we learn to love and interact with that 680 00:57:53.679 --> 00:57:59.719 as opposed to the personality that we see or the appearance that we see. 681 00:58:00.639 --> 00:58:05.679 When we love that light, when we love that God inside of another, 682 00:58:07.159 --> 00:58:13.480 we are fulfilling our highest purpose. That's what we're here to do. That's 683 00:58:13.519 --> 00:58:19.639 the state that we were created to live in before things kind of went in 684 00:58:19.639 --> 00:58:24.039 a different direction. Right, Yeah, I agree with you. And there's 685 00:58:24.079 --> 00:58:27.800 a lot of people that say, oh, I don't have anybody that I 686 00:58:27.800 --> 00:58:32.000 can love, and I'm like, that's not true. Go outside and feed 687 00:58:32.039 --> 00:58:37.679 a pigeon or something. You know, there's always something you can express care 688 00:58:37.800 --> 00:58:40.639 for. I mean, even a guy on the street yesterday. I was 689 00:58:40.679 --> 00:58:45.519 just standing up outside of a store and this guy he was asking everyone, 690 00:58:45.960 --> 00:58:51.920 can I have a dollar? And I was like, and nobody's given him 691 00:58:51.920 --> 00:58:54.920 a dollar. I've watched all of these people just wave him off or ignore 692 00:58:55.000 --> 00:59:00.639 him or whatever. And he didn't even have on a shirt orseshoes. He 693 00:59:00.800 --> 00:59:07.000 just had on a tattered pair of pants or something. And he finally comes 694 00:59:07.039 --> 00:59:09.880 to me and he says, can you spare a dollar? And I'd have 695 00:59:10.039 --> 00:59:15.880 like this massive coin compartment on the side of my wallet. I took my 696 00:59:15.920 --> 00:59:17.519 wallet out. I just emptied it in his hand. I was like, 697 00:59:17.559 --> 00:59:21.760 take everything I have, right, because I don't carry cash on me. 698 00:59:22.000 --> 00:59:27.039 I'm very much a debit card kind of guy, unfortunately. But you know, 699 00:59:27.480 --> 00:59:30.800 I just emptied everything I had, and it's like he had a handful 700 00:59:30.880 --> 00:59:37.039 of coins. And I thought to myself afterwards, what is so difficult about 701 00:59:37.039 --> 00:59:45.320 that for the average person? What is so difficult about just giving a few 702 00:59:45.760 --> 00:59:52.840 dollars here or there? What is so difficult about recognizing yourself in someone else, 703 00:59:52.880 --> 00:59:55.440 even if you don't like how they look, or you know, whatever 704 00:59:55.480 --> 00:59:58.719 the case is. Why do you care so much what they do with the 705 00:59:58.760 --> 01:00:02.079 money? Why do you care much about who they could potentially be, who 706 01:00:02.119 --> 01:00:06.920 you your fear of who they could be? Why he cares much about that? 707 01:00:07.000 --> 01:00:10.559 You know? Why is that still something that we do well wounding? 708 01:00:12.440 --> 01:00:14.679 I mean, a lot of us, a lot of us are living in 709 01:00:14.719 --> 01:00:16.960 fear. We're living in states of fear, and we're living in states of 710 01:00:17.039 --> 01:00:22.079 judgment. And so there are a lot of really blessed spiritual teachers, Christiana 711 01:00:22.159 --> 01:00:30.079 Murtiz among them, Yeah, who expressed that most of us we're not actually 712 01:00:30.079 --> 01:00:35.599 interacting with the world. We're not actually interacting with the creation. We are 713 01:00:35.679 --> 01:00:40.760 interacting with our judgments and our filters about creation. Uh. And so we 714 01:00:40.800 --> 01:00:46.880 don't see we're not actually seeing. We are seeing our own mental filters, 715 01:00:46.920 --> 01:00:51.519 and we're seeing our own mental judgments. So when we see a beggar on 716 01:00:51.519 --> 01:00:57.400 the street, there's all kinds of judgments that form. Right for everybody, 717 01:00:57.440 --> 01:01:00.360 it'll be like it can be slightly differently, but we're going to see the 718 01:01:00.440 --> 01:01:02.639 judgments that we're projecting onto that beggar. We're not going to see the light 719 01:01:02.719 --> 01:01:07.239 that is going to completely prevent us from seeing the light of God inside of 720 01:01:07.280 --> 01:01:08.719 that person. Because you can see the light of God inside of him, 721 01:01:08.719 --> 01:01:13.000 you don't necessarily have to give him a dollar. But if you can see 722 01:01:13.039 --> 01:01:17.000 and love that, you are blessing his soul. You are bringing that love 723 01:01:17.119 --> 01:01:25.159 into the creation through him, excuse me. And then we can feel pulled 724 01:01:25.199 --> 01:01:29.039 to do whatever it is that we feel polld to do. You know, 725 01:01:29.119 --> 01:01:30.000 if we have a dollar, we can give him a dollar, we can 726 01:01:30.000 --> 01:01:32.800 buy him a sandwich, or we don't have any money in our wallet, 727 01:01:32.800 --> 01:01:37.320 which is sometimes the case, then we just bless him and pray for him. 728 01:01:37.760 --> 01:01:43.760 Right, But the problem is not, you know, he's not the 729 01:01:43.800 --> 01:01:46.719 problem. The problem is our own mind. The problem is our own judgments. 730 01:01:46.800 --> 01:01:51.719 The problem is our own filters that we've put over our own eyes and 731 01:01:51.760 --> 01:01:55.719 our own perception that keeps us from seeing that. Yeah, some kind of 732 01:01:55.760 --> 01:02:00.760 suffering, yeah, oh yeah, Yeah, it goes hand in hand with 733 01:02:00.760 --> 01:02:05.760 suffering. You can't have those filters. You can't have those judgments without suffering 734 01:02:06.039 --> 01:02:17.159 in life because it is inherent in judgment. Judgment and most mental activity separates 735 01:02:17.199 --> 01:02:22.920 us from the heart, it separates us from the soul. So if we're 736 01:02:22.960 --> 01:02:28.719 living in a world of judgments, we are inherently going to be suffering because 737 01:02:28.719 --> 01:02:30.880 we are not going to be living a life from the soul. We're not 738 01:02:30.920 --> 01:02:42.159 going to be living a life from the heart. Yeah, so I want 739 01:02:42.199 --> 01:02:47.280 to know more about the divine Mother. Yeah, that that whole thing is. 740 01:02:47.320 --> 01:02:51.519 You were telling me about this when we met. He were telling me 741 01:02:51.559 --> 01:02:58.079 about the Divine Mother and who was it that channels the Divine Mother, that 742 01:02:58.280 --> 01:03:02.280 channels her or it appears to this person. Oh yeah, my friend, 743 01:03:02.280 --> 01:03:12.440 Philip Lippets. Is a very interesting story. Yeah. So part of Swami's 744 01:03:12.480 --> 01:03:16.719 mission. Part of the reason why he said that the world is suffering the 745 01:03:16.760 --> 01:03:22.679 way that it is is because we have forgotten the Divine Mother. We have 746 01:03:22.880 --> 01:03:32.599 forgotten the creator of everything. She's the creator. The Father's energy is what 747 01:03:32.679 --> 01:03:37.360 she uses to create, but she's the one taking his energy. It's when 748 01:03:37.360 --> 01:03:45.480 they're in union and in pure love that creation happens. And she is the 749 01:03:45.559 --> 01:03:52.519 consciousness that is actually creating. It's her energy that enters into everything. And 750 01:03:52.599 --> 01:03:58.079 because she is in everything, she's our gateway to the Divine She's our gateway 751 01:03:58.119 --> 01:04:01.800 to God. She is God, but she's our gateway to that state of 752 01:04:01.840 --> 01:04:11.480 divine union with the Divine Father. With that pure stillness and silence and peace 753 01:04:11.920 --> 01:04:16.159 and love and ability to be open hearted no matter what happens, the way 754 01:04:16.239 --> 01:04:23.079 Jesus was during his crucifixion, just completely able to forgive everything and everyone that 755 01:04:23.159 --> 01:04:28.280 was happening, the door to enter into that state. In call it enlightenment, 756 01:04:28.320 --> 01:04:31.400 you can call it heaven on earth. She is the gateway. She 757 01:04:31.679 --> 01:04:35.440 is the door to do that, and so we have to learn how to 758 01:04:35.440 --> 01:04:40.679 develop a relationship with her, And to develop a relationship with her is to 759 01:04:40.679 --> 01:04:47.280 develop a relationship with the world with creation. Most spirituality for so long has 760 01:04:47.320 --> 01:04:54.920 either been an escape from the world right or has developed into authoritarian systems where 761 01:04:54.960 --> 01:04:58.880 only a few people hold the key, right, or at least they say 762 01:04:58.960 --> 01:05:03.400 they hold the key, Whereas the reality and part of why Jesus came was 763 01:05:03.480 --> 01:05:08.840 to help everybody to realize, no, this is in everything. We are 764 01:05:08.880 --> 01:05:12.239 connected to that, and it is in everything, and we have to develop 765 01:05:12.239 --> 01:05:16.480 a relationship to that. We have to learn to connect to her, open 766 01:05:16.519 --> 01:05:23.559 our heart to her in everything and in every form. That's the other thing. 767 01:05:23.719 --> 01:05:29.760 Sammy would often talk about how she is the beautiful sunset. She is 768 01:05:29.840 --> 01:05:33.880 the beautiful, blossoming flower right, the beauty of the nature. And she 769 01:05:34.079 --> 01:05:39.960 is also the ferocious tiger. She's the tsunami, she is the earthquake that 770 01:05:40.039 --> 01:05:46.199 destroys She is everything. Every aspect of creation is her and she is in 771 01:05:46.239 --> 01:05:50.360 it. And so the way we learn to connect to her, one part 772 01:05:50.800 --> 01:05:57.280 is by learning to love and go through the ups and downs of life with 773 01:05:57.360 --> 01:06:03.199 an open heart. To be open to the entire spectrum of human experience and 774 01:06:03.320 --> 01:06:10.639 learn to see her energy and her fragrance inside of all of it. And 775 01:06:10.679 --> 01:06:15.480 so part of the way that we connect to that is through having what's called 776 01:06:15.559 --> 01:06:23.000 darshan of her. And darshan is when that energy of the Divine Mother actually 777 01:06:23.079 --> 01:06:27.519 manifests in a physical form and stands before us so that we can see her 778 01:06:27.559 --> 01:06:30.719 with our two eyes open. We can interact with her, She can speak 779 01:06:30.760 --> 01:06:35.039 with us, we can have conversations with her. Many of the great spiritual 780 01:06:35.079 --> 01:06:40.639 masters have had this type of relationship with her. Sami Kalashur had this relationship 781 01:06:40.679 --> 01:06:43.760 with her. He spoke with her on a regular basis. Ramakrishna, Paramhamsa, 782 01:06:44.119 --> 01:06:48.800 Yogananda, Vivikananda, Shirdy Sai Baba, many masters Jesus also right. 783 01:06:48.880 --> 01:06:55.760 This was a key part of his relationship to the Mother. And so Swami 784 01:06:56.400 --> 01:06:59.679 was one of the first masters who came to start to give this type of 785 01:06:59.719 --> 01:07:04.039 experience and mass not just to a single student who would then take over the 786 01:07:04.079 --> 01:07:09.920 lineage, but to hundreds of his students. And so I was one of 787 01:07:09.920 --> 01:07:14.320 those students who was able to have that experience of having the Divine Mother appear 788 01:07:14.559 --> 01:07:18.280 in front of me, and it was a life changing experience. The way 789 01:07:18.360 --> 01:07:23.960 he described it was, when you're standing in front of her, a part 790 01:07:24.000 --> 01:07:28.239 of you is equal to her in that moment, a part of you is 791 01:07:28.360 --> 01:07:34.480 merging with infinity and in the finite at the same time. And so she 792 01:07:34.599 --> 01:07:40.360 becomes that doorway for us to connect to her energy. In everything, it 793 01:07:40.440 --> 01:07:43.800 opens our heart, it opens our soul to be able to start to develop 794 01:07:44.159 --> 01:07:49.039 the relationship where she becomes our gurup the nature, the creation, her energy 795 01:07:49.079 --> 01:07:54.119 and everything starts to teach us and guide us and shape our life so that 796 01:07:54.159 --> 01:07:59.960 we can reach our highest potential. And in one particular case, there was 797 01:08:00.119 --> 01:08:05.239 one student named Philip Lippetts who one of the forms of the Mother that appeared 798 01:08:05.280 --> 01:08:11.440 to him was Mother Mary, and she started appearing regularly to him, and 799 01:08:11.519 --> 01:08:16.319 she started telling him the stories of the Old Testament, and she started teaching 800 01:08:16.479 --> 01:08:21.560 him all about Jesus and the purpose that he served, and how he was 801 01:08:21.760 --> 01:08:28.720 the very first incarnation on the planet that had the ability to completely reflect the 802 01:08:28.800 --> 01:08:33.159 love of the Father, without any shadow, without any karma, and that 803 01:08:33.199 --> 01:08:39.880 by entering into a human form, he completely transformed the possibility of what it 804 01:08:39.920 --> 01:08:45.800 meant to be human, and from that moment onwards, anybody could experience that. 805 01:08:45.840 --> 01:08:49.840 Anybody could enter into that, and everybody had the potential to do that 806 01:08:51.000 --> 01:08:58.960 through the Christ's consciousness that is present in everything. When you don't, I'll 807 01:08:58.960 --> 01:09:00.680 stop there. Actually, like I said, I can go down some pretty 808 01:09:00.680 --> 01:09:09.399 deep rabbit holes. Yeah. Yeah, that's a pretty intense story to unpack. 809 01:09:09.479 --> 01:09:14.560 Honestly, it's a big rabbit hole. Is there anything else you'd like 810 01:09:14.600 --> 01:09:16.600 to expand on? Sorry, I'm going to chicken out my lap notes. 811 01:09:18.239 --> 01:09:24.159 I told you they're everywhere, David, Like, they're everywhere. They just 812 01:09:25.439 --> 01:09:28.720 they don't They can't live without me. They'll follow me everywhere. That's really 813 01:09:28.760 --> 01:09:54.760 sweet. That's really sweet that seeing her, that's an experience that anybody can 814 01:09:54.800 --> 01:10:01.279 have. Seen her in a few physical form, that's an experience that anybody 815 01:10:01.279 --> 01:10:18.399 can have. She becomes, like I said, that the doorway for us 816 01:10:18.439 --> 01:10:28.000 to learn how to connect to her in everything, to start to feel and 817 01:10:28.199 --> 01:10:33.600 sense her fragrance and her presence in everything. And like I was saying before, 818 01:10:33.680 --> 01:10:43.039 the key there is to learn to see her in the most challenging and 819 01:10:43.159 --> 01:10:49.359 the most difficult. Because it's relatively easy to see her in the beauty. 820 01:10:49.560 --> 01:10:53.840 Right, it's easier to see her in the things that touch her heart and 821 01:10:53.840 --> 01:10:58.800 that are beautiful, that she is equally present in the tragedies and horrors of 822 01:10:58.840 --> 01:11:04.039 the world. And that's why she's so important right now because of the level 823 01:11:04.039 --> 01:11:08.840 of tragedies and horrors that are happening, which by the way, are happening 824 01:11:09.479 --> 01:11:15.399 for our own benefit to awaken to turn to God. They only happen. 825 01:11:15.760 --> 01:11:18.960 The level of catastrophes that we see happening on the planet, the level of 826 01:11:19.000 --> 01:11:23.800 wars that we see happening, are only because people turn away from God, 827 01:11:24.239 --> 01:11:30.760 they place their individual will above God's will, and then the egos take us 828 01:11:30.760 --> 01:11:38.680 down a path of conflict and exploitation right that lead us to where we are 829 01:11:38.720 --> 01:11:44.399 today, where the very nature itself is reacting to us living an ego based 830 01:11:44.479 --> 01:11:50.600 life, where egos fighting egos lead to situations like what's happening in the war 831 01:11:50.640 --> 01:11:57.720 in Ukraine and what's happening in Israel and Gaza at the moment. If we 832 01:11:57.760 --> 01:12:02.640 don't start to relate to her in our enemies, if we don't start to 833 01:12:02.720 --> 01:12:09.279 see her light existing in every single other human being, humanity will only go 834 01:12:09.399 --> 01:12:14.920 further in this direction. But the moment that we start to see that she 835 01:12:15.119 --> 01:12:21.840 exists in those natural catastrophes, that she exists in those mutilated bodies that were 836 01:12:21.920 --> 01:12:27.640 murdered over the weekend by Hamas, that she exists inside of Hamas. We 837 01:12:27.680 --> 01:12:31.319 don't condone the behavior, but we can see that the essence inside of that 838 01:12:31.359 --> 01:12:38.159 person is the essence inside of that person is that same energy, and it's 839 01:12:38.199 --> 01:12:43.079 that same light, and we can love that. And when we love that, 840 01:12:43.640 --> 01:12:46.000 when we let go of our judgments, which by the way, goes 841 01:12:46.039 --> 01:12:49.960 back to what we were saying earlier, we must clear our blocks in order 842 01:12:50.039 --> 01:12:54.359 to be able to do this, and if we ask her for help, 843 01:12:54.840 --> 01:12:58.720 any divine form for help, she will help us to do that, so 844 01:12:58.760 --> 01:13:01.800 that we can start to see that. And once we can start to see 845 01:13:01.840 --> 01:13:05.800 that, and we start to love that in every single form, we love 846 01:13:05.800 --> 01:13:11.079 it in the challenges and difficulties in our own life, in our own relationships, 847 01:13:11.239 --> 01:13:14.079 we're able to see that and love that in every single story that we 848 01:13:14.159 --> 01:13:17.159 hear on the news, including all of the tragedy. When we can start 849 01:13:17.199 --> 01:13:23.279 to see that and the people who have died that their soul is immortal, 850 01:13:23.640 --> 01:13:27.479 untouched by the horror of what happened. It may have been incredibly painful to 851 01:13:27.520 --> 01:13:30.880 their mind and their heart and some aspect of their soul, but the immortal 852 01:13:30.920 --> 01:13:34.920 part of their soul was never touched by that. And if we learn how 853 01:13:34.960 --> 01:13:40.359 to connect to that and love that, then we are actually turning all of 854 01:13:40.399 --> 01:13:45.920 these things into portals and doorways for God's love to enter into the creation. 855 01:13:46.760 --> 01:13:51.600 And when we do that through all these horrible situations and all the divine situations, 856 01:13:53.199 --> 01:13:56.920 then that's when we start to bring a massive level of God's love into 857 01:13:56.920 --> 01:14:01.119 the world, which is what the world needs to transform. And the more 858 01:14:01.159 --> 01:14:05.640 and more people we have who awaken and are able to do this right. 859 01:14:05.680 --> 01:14:11.960 We don't just need people to have inner experiences spiritually. This is not enough. 860 01:14:12.800 --> 01:14:15.319 This will not change the planet. We need to have people who awaken 861 01:14:15.479 --> 01:14:21.720 spiritually and learn to open their hearts to everything, open their souls to everything, 862 01:14:23.520 --> 01:14:28.159 and learn how to connect to the divine inside of everything. Because now 863 01:14:28.600 --> 01:14:33.159 we have more and more souls who then just pull God's love through all these 864 01:14:33.199 --> 01:14:40.000 scenarios until the whole world is enveloped in this love and it starts to transform 865 01:14:40.119 --> 01:14:47.880 the consciousness of the entire human race. That's why she's so important. Yeah, 866 01:14:48.119 --> 01:14:51.479 that's a really great way to bring this whole thing to an end. 867 01:14:53.439 --> 01:14:59.560 Honestly, I would leave people with that too, ponder on and think about 868 01:14:59.600 --> 01:15:01.600 it, because I don't know about you, but I hear a lot of 869 01:15:01.640 --> 01:15:10.359 people they leverage this concept as an excuse that I alone can't make a change 870 01:15:10.479 --> 01:15:15.159 to anything that's happening. I'm powerless to change the war or anything like that. 871 01:15:15.520 --> 01:15:17.039 It's like, well, don't make it about the war. Don't try 872 01:15:17.039 --> 01:15:23.560 to immerse yourself into that world. Figure out where you can balance that with 873 01:15:23.600 --> 01:15:29.760 your own actions. Yeah, that's exactly that's exactly right. We can, 874 01:15:30.399 --> 01:15:34.199 you know, It's just can we connect to God through everything? Can we 875 01:15:34.279 --> 01:15:39.560 learn to see the divine in everything, in every aspect of life, Because 876 01:15:39.600 --> 01:15:44.319 then we don't need to change anything. Then we don't need to do anything. 877 01:15:44.920 --> 01:15:48.680 Then it's not our responsibility. Just the act of developing that connection to 878 01:15:48.960 --> 01:15:58.439 God through whatever is presenting itself to us allows God to come through and take 879 01:15:58.439 --> 01:16:01.319 care. Yeah. I feel like if I had to explain it using apples 880 01:16:01.359 --> 01:16:04.319 and oranges, I'd be like, if okay, you have a basket of 881 01:16:04.399 --> 01:16:09.159 apples, over here, you have a basket of oranges, over here. 882 01:16:09.439 --> 01:16:13.560 The oranges are evil. Put some more apples in this basket. The apples 883 01:16:13.600 --> 01:16:20.640 are good. You know, like just very simplistically see things as the way 884 01:16:20.640 --> 01:16:24.199 you would like them to be, figure because that's the only way you're going 885 01:16:24.279 --> 01:16:30.800 to act in a way to create change, you know, I think people, 886 01:16:30.960 --> 01:16:36.680 but I mean more is expected than I would say that even in the 887 01:16:36.720 --> 01:16:44.159 oranges that are acting evilly, the divine is there also, right, No, 888 01:16:44.720 --> 01:16:46.720 yeah, yeah, so we do need more apples who are able to 889 01:16:46.720 --> 01:16:51.159 see that, right, because then that's what enables the oranges to transform. 890 01:16:51.560 --> 01:17:00.359 Yeah, exactly, balance that ratio exactly. And that's that's also what we 891 01:17:00.359 --> 01:17:05.039 need in our life also because once we're able to do that, then that's 892 01:17:05.079 --> 01:17:11.319 when she flows into our life. When we're able to love in that way, 893 01:17:11.840 --> 01:17:15.319 then that's when she fills our life. And when she is filling our 894 01:17:15.359 --> 01:17:19.680 life, because she is the creator, the creatrix, that is creating everything. 895 01:17:20.000 --> 01:17:24.800 She's able to create in our life, whatever it is that we need, 896 01:17:25.279 --> 01:17:28.319 that's what fills our life with abundance. That's what fills our life with 897 01:17:28.399 --> 01:17:31.640 prosperity. That's what fills our life with happiness. That's what transforms us. 898 01:17:31.680 --> 01:17:35.199 And when we learn what's inside of us and what it is that we want 899 01:17:35.239 --> 01:17:40.439 to create, and what divine impulses we have. Then when we start to 900 01:17:40.479 --> 01:17:45.880 live in alignment with her in everything, then she starts to through us create 901 01:17:45.600 --> 01:17:50.960 those desires and those impulses which are divinely inspired, right, which come from 902 01:17:51.000 --> 01:18:00.039 our soul, and then we start to see incredible things happen in our life. 903 01:18:02.479 --> 01:18:06.560 That's where we're gonna leave it. I mean, we've given people so 904 01:18:06.720 --> 01:18:12.600 much to think about in this episode, but I will definitely invite you to 905 01:18:12.720 --> 01:18:18.199 come and talk with me some more about any time, about anything. Yeah, 906 01:18:18.560 --> 01:18:23.880 And this is a really good insight because I feel like you have this 907 01:18:24.000 --> 01:18:33.039 remarkable ability, David, to take all of these concepts of spirituality and you 908 01:18:33.079 --> 01:18:36.840 know, knowledge of the divine and all these different things and just put it 909 01:18:36.880 --> 01:18:45.680 in a way that the average person can understand, you know, because that's 910 01:18:45.720 --> 01:18:49.800 a lot of what I see out there these days, because we're now in 911 01:18:49.880 --> 01:18:59.399 a time where spirituality has been hijacked somehow by the Internet and it's turning these 912 01:18:59.560 --> 01:19:08.800 same ritual concepts on their head and creating selfish people where they say things like, 913 01:19:08.800 --> 01:19:11.520 oh, well, I'm not in alignment with you, so I don't 914 01:19:11.520 --> 01:19:16.119 want to talk to you. That's exactly right. Now we have to relate 915 01:19:16.159 --> 01:19:19.760 to each other. We have to find ways to to bridge and create union, 916 01:19:20.159 --> 01:19:24.640 even if the other person isn't willing. We can do that on our 917 01:19:24.680 --> 01:19:28.199 own on a heart level. Yeah, it's really silly. We all come 918 01:19:28.239 --> 01:19:31.039 from the same place, so we're automatically in alignment. Whether they want to 919 01:19:31.119 --> 01:19:35.159 like, you know, like that or not. People are going to differ 920 01:19:35.199 --> 01:19:42.319 from you. People are going to have different opinions, different lifestyles. And 921 01:19:42.319 --> 01:19:46.279 again, we have the power to see the mother, as you say, 922 01:19:46.560 --> 01:19:50.119 and through our actions, you know, make a change to that. Well, 923 01:19:50.159 --> 01:19:54.840 we can't control other people. Yeah, that's exactly right, and we 924 01:19:54.840 --> 01:19:58.840 don't need to know. No, it's not a responsibility to try to, 925 01:19:59.119 --> 01:20:02.319 you know, control or manipulate things into the way that we would like them 926 01:20:02.359 --> 01:20:08.640 to be. Just be cool, Just be cool. Let God's will be 927 01:20:08.720 --> 01:20:13.399 done, you know, le Let God work through every single thing on earth. 928 01:20:14.640 --> 01:20:17.520 And let's give the responsibility to God. Let's give the responsibility to the 929 01:20:17.560 --> 01:20:21.560 Mother to create what she wants to create and to be instruments of that creation 930 01:20:23.399 --> 01:20:27.840 as opposed to feeling. We have to be the ones making everything happen. 931 01:20:28.840 --> 01:20:31.720 Yeah, you're sor right, And there's only thing I almost forgotten. It's 932 01:20:31.760 --> 01:20:40.159 interesting how you were giving us that really great concept, because what I have 933 01:20:40.279 --> 01:20:47.399 found is I work with people's programming to see exactly what what are the exact 934 01:20:47.399 --> 01:20:55.159 statements that they believe, right, And a lot of it is not knowing 935 01:20:55.479 --> 01:21:00.359 the creator of all that is, yes, it's it's not understanding what it 936 01:21:00.399 --> 01:21:04.520 feels like to be totally connected to the creator. And many of them are 937 01:21:06.159 --> 01:21:11.199 very spiritual people. They've been meditating for years, They've been into some of 938 01:21:11.239 --> 01:21:17.039 the same concepts you're unpacking or you know, other things, and they still 939 01:21:17.159 --> 01:21:21.680 don't have these very basic programs that we should all have. And I still 940 01:21:21.720 --> 01:21:30.039 haven't been able to pinpoint at what time in their lives these were changed. 941 01:21:30.880 --> 01:21:33.600 I think that's probably the right wording for it. I wouldn't say taken from 942 01:21:33.680 --> 01:21:39.319 them or uninstalled, but it's just changed somehow. It's like, I don't 943 01:21:39.399 --> 01:21:45.600 understand what it feels like to trust that the Creator exists, that the Creator 944 01:21:45.640 --> 01:21:51.479 supports me. It's an interesting thing that's happening right now, so I think 945 01:21:51.479 --> 01:22:00.119 it begins there for a lot of people. Yeah, people are carrying is 946 01:22:00.159 --> 01:22:04.479 a it's programming it. I don't understand what it feels like to even deserve 947 01:22:05.279 --> 01:22:09.079 the love of the creator of all that is, which is bizarre to me. 948 01:22:09.680 --> 01:22:12.319 You know, well many many of us that we've been carrying that for 949 01:22:12.399 --> 01:22:16.159 lifetimes, lifetimes and lifetimes and lifetimes and lifetimes, that these are deep grooves 950 01:22:16.199 --> 01:22:19.640 that we've developed that are that are hard to move out of. But our 951 01:22:19.680 --> 01:22:24.319 soul knows and that's what creates that that search to begin with, and so 952 01:22:24.399 --> 01:22:29.920 many people is that that sole pull to return to the divine and we have 953 01:22:30.000 --> 01:22:33.640 that opportunity now. Everything that I've heard from Sami Kleshwar and many other traditions 954 01:22:33.720 --> 01:22:38.680 is that the time is now. The time to be able to connect to 955 01:22:38.720 --> 01:22:43.520 the divine is now. The doors are opening, the energy is entering the 956 01:22:43.560 --> 01:22:47.039 planet right now. The ability to connect directly to the divine and that's the 957 01:22:47.119 --> 01:22:54.199 key, right not to study spirituality conceptually, but to have direct experience, 958 01:22:57.439 --> 01:23:06.640 Yeah, to know for oneself right and connect to the soul wisdom directly. 959 01:23:09.000 --> 01:23:15.960 Yeah. Application comes before wisdom. All right, So David, where can 960 01:23:16.000 --> 01:23:21.920 we find you? So? Right now, my website is Sole centeredfounder dot 961 01:23:21.960 --> 01:23:27.279 com. That's where I do the coaching work that I do with entrepreneurs, 962 01:23:27.319 --> 01:23:30.520 but really it's open to anybody who feels like they've had a call. They 963 01:23:30.520 --> 01:23:35.720 have a calling in this world, and they have a pull to live in 964 01:23:35.840 --> 01:23:40.760 connection and in alignment with their soul and with the divine, but they're struggling 965 01:23:40.800 --> 01:23:45.079 to do so in any aspect of their life. And I invite anybody who 966 01:23:45.079 --> 01:23:48.000 feels that way to just reach out. There's a way to book a free 967 01:23:48.039 --> 01:23:51.680 call at the bottom, and I'm always open to have a conversation with anybody 968 01:23:51.680 --> 01:23:57.960 who feels a poll to do so. Awesome, David, thanks for being 969 01:23:57.960 --> 01:24:01.159 on the Boneless Authenticity podcast. Jon, thank you so much for inviting me, 970 01:24:01.279 --> 01:24:04.920 for having me. I really enjoyed this conversation with you. You're welcome. 971 01:24:05.000 --> 01:24:06.920 We'll do it again. Looking forward to it.