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What is crack lacing Fellows Thermonuclear A
efforts. I am Dan Valley coming at

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you with my certified fantabulous Thermonuclear AF
co host, mister Grant Hughes. We

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are starting our positional rankings, roll
out some nice evergreen content for you post

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trade deadline. We will get into
criteria very quickly. But Grant also very

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quickly. How the heck are you
doing? I'm doing so well. I

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have gone to sleep since we last
recorded a podcast and woke up and that's

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pretty much it. So not a
lot has changed for me other than I'm

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better arrested than I was when we
last when we last talked. That's great.

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I am very tired, and this
was I tried to not do.

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I first of all, I want
to make clear this series was my idea,

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and then I tried to get us
to back out of it, and

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you convince me that, like,
no, let's do this, and so

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I agonized over this way too much. And positions are we both kind of

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don't subscribe to them. But it's
also just a fun evergreen exercise to do,

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and so I'll very quickly we'll note
the criteria we use for each position.

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Then we'll get into the differences of
opinion where certain guys don't qualify.

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We will note if for some reason, as an example, since this is

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point guards, if I had SGA
as a shooting guard and Grant has them

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as a point guard. When we
get to his name, we will both

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note whether that player was somewhere else
and then for my criteria, and I

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know Grant used this same Here.
We looked at stats, we looked at

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we used our eye test what we've
seen, We considered what happened this season.

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We're also ranking these guys as if
we want them for the rest of

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the years. This is about this
season alone. Whether it's a retrospective or

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forward looking, it's right now.
For the rest of this year, injuries

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matters or jah Morant's not going to
get into our top ten point guards because

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especially if you're going to miss a
bunch of time. And I looked at

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now sorting positions, and this is
why be where we differ. I used

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cleaning the glass position data. I
looked at dunks in threes, I looked

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at their core lineups, and I
looked at primary defensive matchups. And then

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there were some instances where I fudged
it because by my own eye test,

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I thought, you know this and
that that is how I approached it.

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Though, Was there any differentiators or
additions on top of how you approached it?

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I just say that I think for
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consulted a lot of the same things
you did to determine what position it made

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sense to put each guy at.
But I sort of was like looking for

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reasons to put players where I sort
of felt like they belonged. And so

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like, if you know, Basketball
Reference has a guy playing sixty percent of

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his minutes at a position that I
don't want to put him at. It's

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like, as long as it's reasonable
and it's not an absurd like Damian Lillard

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will not be at center, for
example, but like what two, three,

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and four and even some one too, I'll just kind of like,

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yeah, he could be either one, So I'm gonna put him here and

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hopeful nobody will think there's too many
stretch. I don't think there's any crazy

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stretches at all, Like positions are
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the right way to do it.
And and the and what's also I leaned

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on like it was very hard if
you were both on the same team,

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and you're both considered centers. For
instance, it was very hard for me

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to consider you, like you have
to be staggered a shit ton for me

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to say you're both centers. Otherwise
I'm going to put one of you in

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Power Forward as an example, and
just two Grant's point, these rankings will

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invariably they might make some people angry. We're really not trying to be a

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holes are inconsistent with our logic.
We just thought it would be Look,

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I was complaining to Grant before we
have this was hard ranking these five positions,

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and so like, I'm excited to
go through it and see where we

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differ. It is subjective, by
the way, like that, yeah we

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didn't just we didn't just you know, sort Z to a by uh you

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know, EPM or whatever. Like
that's not that'd be a lot less interesting

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than than having a conversation. The
other thing I want to say is that

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in addition to thinking about these guys
in the context of like the rest of

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the regular season and then acknowledging like
what they've done this season to this point,

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that's a lot of it. But
I also sort of can't can't not

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think about like the playoffs as as
like a you know, not necessarily a

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tiebreaker, but like if I'm considering
player A versus player B, and it's

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sort of it's either been demonstrated that
player B, while really good in the

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regular season, has a bunch of
playoff issues that come up that's going to

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factor in, or if like hypothetically
based on their games, because we don't

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have proof of it yet, I
might you know, put one player over

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another just based on you know,
oh, I think in the postseason this

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weakness of his might be exploitable and
this other guy doesn't have one of those,

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so that might factor into the rankings
for me in some places too.

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The play it's kind of that's just
more subjectivity in a lot of cases.

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But you know, sorry, not
sorry, Yeah, And I think honestly,

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that was such a I think,
comprehensive breakdown at least of how we

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approached it. I'll cut this up
and front it. At every single edition

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of this we are with point guards
though our top ten point guards? Grant,

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would you like to go first?
Should we start at number one?

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I guess we should have hashed that
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go at number one because it feels
like that more because once you get to

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like, I don't know, you're
gonna know who's left off. In this

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instance, I think it makes sense
to go from one to teny okay,

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why don't I get Do you want? Can I give you like my top

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four because I feel like there's like
a chunk there or is that going to

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make it too hard for you to
put names in? You can't go ahead

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and you can give me your top
four. I'll just take a little while

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for the screen to refresh. I'll
throw them all in at one. So

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number one for me is shake Gil
just Alexander. I had some thought about

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it was really him or Luca I
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I don't know you didn't. But
in some cases people might go off the

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rails already and say, well,
Luca's not really a one based on who

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he has to guard, but he
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offense. That feels like a point
guard to me. Then I have Steph

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at three and Tyrese Haliburton at four, and that felt like the top chunk.

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I don't know if that's a clear
tier delineation to me because the guy

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who I have at five, I
think has played well enough of late that

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he might belong in that level.
But really like SGA, I think was

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pretty clearly the top for me.
He's he's you know, running away with

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like box plus minus and vorp and
all this other stuff. And I think

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the other thing that distinguishes him from
say Lucas Stephan Haliburton is that he's like

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a plus plus defensive impact guy,
and none of those other guys that I

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considered for the top several spots at
point guard rate that way. In fact,

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like you know, Haliburton's a minus, Luca is like passable but does

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damage because he has to guard you
know, what's often like a tough position,

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you know, a big three or
a four or whatever. So I

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felt pretty good about SGA at the
top there, and and in fact,

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like my top four, I feel
strongly about I think that is the top

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four point guards with Steph at three
and Haliburton at four. If do you

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have differences at that level or should
we continue down or who would you like

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to talk about? I guess I'll
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only thing I was that I did
struggle because of his defensive role with what

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to do with Shay a little bit, and you were the one that just

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kind of after talking to you,
I did have him at He's clear if

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you're inn a treat as a point
guard, to me, he's clearly won.

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He's been really good on defense this
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and again Oklahoma City does insulate him
in ways that other players cannot be.

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He's been by those standards even just
really good and there have been just some

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like tough matchups that he has really
shouldered. So I've been impressed. I

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have ultimately the same order as you, as people could see as I'm throwing

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it up on the screen. It's
what I struggled with here is and I

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don't know that I have anything to
add other than like, I think there'll

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be some people that believe that Luca
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playoff track record, and we don't
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you can't watch this dude and think, I don't know, like, because

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of what he does on defense,
that's the lucas the better passer, the

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better shooter. But like Shay's creation
workload is on a similar vein. What

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I actually struggled with here was what
to sort of do with Halliburton when you're

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looking at some of the other names
that are gonna come and I actually might

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like, I might include my fifth
one here wheuse I'm curious as to where

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you had him. But looking at
like the he's such a good passer,

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like he's such a transforming offensive player, but you mentioned the defensive concessions are

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like at this point, you're making
more of them with Hallie. It feels

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like than Steph who's age thirty five. And so I worried about that a

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little bit and how to factor it
in. With that being said, I

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had the same top four my number
five guy who would have been higher if

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I had him as a shooting guard, Devin Booker. Oh, interesting,

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So I have him as a shooting
guard, so he's not here for me,

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But I I have no qualms with
you putting him at the one.

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I just like that. That's what
this is about. It's it's kind of

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the same, and it was would
have been inconsistent logic for me to have

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Sga as a shooting guard but not
Booker, Like Booker's listed as the point

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guard in a lot of the lineups
too. On cleaning the glass and you

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look at their core lineups like it's
him, it's Beal, it's the Rant,

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there's Eric Gordon, there's Grays and
Allen, there's a big some,

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there's a big Sometimes most of the
time he's just your primary ball handler and

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like driving your offense. And so
in that case, like he's not functioning

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like a shooting guard. To me, a shooting guard is more like Zach

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Levine, who even if you classify
him as a three or he is technically

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the point guard in front lineups,
he's never actually acting as that. And

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I still think there's been a lot
of people focusing and we talked about the

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Suns' struggles in the fourth quarter to
especially on wide open jumpers. They have

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turnover issues at the NBA. NBA
dot Com has this stat it's assists to

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pass percentage adjusted, and it's effectively
the percentage of passes by a player or

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team that are assists, free throw
assists, or secondary assists. And so

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Booker routinely ranks among the players who
have thrown at least fifteen hundred passes this

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year. The only players with a
higher who rank higher in this category or

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Trey Young, Luca Tyre's Haliburton and
Lebron and so like for Devin Booker to

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once again stand out in this stat
under point guard level passing volume where he

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is throwing more passes this year because
they actually have him as the point guard.

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I had to put him at the
point. I did struggle between him

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and Halle, but how he's just
been so transformative on the offensive end that

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I think once you get into the
playoffs, we haven't seen Halle there yet.

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I get it if people just have
Booker at four, I just I

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get I get it if they even
have him at three. Quite frankly,

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I mean for me, like part
so this was this was a case of

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like what's your heart tell you?
Like, Devin Booker is playing point guard.

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He's not a point guard to me. So that's like, again,

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that's just a totally I don't have
a whole lot of like statistical basis for

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that justification. The other thing that
that feels wrong about having him for me

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at point guard is like he's fifth. He's gonna be way higher than that

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when I rank him and shooting guard, and I think, like that just

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feels more right to me. But
yet, like again, he is playing

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point guard for them, So I
and like will continue to so even with

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Beale, and so it's like I
thought there might be more of a dichotomy

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there once, but it's like Beal's
been really and kudos to Bill for trying

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to people been hard on him.
He's tried to fit into the larger context.

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It hasn't always looked great. He's
had some really big games. So

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it's like that was also the thing
that sold it is seeing them post like

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having their best players available, Like
no, he's just he's a fields for

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me personally, just like I'm ignoring
too much functionally of how this sounds operate

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if I call him a shooting guard, right, yeah, I think that's

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right, especially if you're focused on
this year, which we said at the

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outset we were, So my number
five is Jalen Brunson. Ooh, I

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had as I struggled with him over
like each of the next three or four

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guys. Really he could have been
five through ten for me, could be

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in a lot of different orders at
the point. But I just think,

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like when you stack them up against
I feel like I'm giving away who the

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rest of these guys I have are, Like he's he's at the top,

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or he's tied at the top of
the next five guys in scoring. He's

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got the highest field goal and three
point percentage. You could argue his role

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is at least as important as anybody
else's and he has like more help now

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and it makes the roster makes more
sense now, but it's still like it's

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a little clunkier and a little you
know, it's a heat for him.

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He's got a lot to do.
He's got the best advanced the catch all

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metrics BORP and box plus minus.
I think he's probably tops in EPM among

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the guys left to be considered,
and yes he is, so I just

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you know, I didn't think I
was gonna end up here with with Jalen

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Brunson at five, but I feel
good about it now looking at the other

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guys, I'm sort of stacking him
up against uh, so I'm gonna I

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think you're I'm actually like saying ooh, when we actually only different but one

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spot on him. So I'll throw
up my my six and seven here.

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Uh, I have Harden at six
and then I have Jalen bruns in at

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seven, and there's this. I
have nothing to add on the Jalen bruns

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in front except to you that he's
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three point shooters, and it's not
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league is seen right now, that's
a that was not like this super efficient

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part of his game in Dallas.
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from last year in Dallas. And
that's the type of player he's become.

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Uh, he will fight on defense, even though he could be certainly attacked

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too. With Harden, though,
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I mean, there is a case
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best passer in the league. James
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there. I think Harden belongs in
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I mean, when you're talking about
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I might have Luca in front of
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really value about Harden too is some
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numbers don't love him as much.
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with the Clippers, and so he
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he's been traded to LA And then
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life so much easier on Kui and
Paul George at certain points, and just

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the step back three continuing to fall
at absurd clips, He's still you know,

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you factor in. While I'm not
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a trade, I do think there's
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that he is a point guard.
Was like, this is just he's graduated

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from the shooting guard discussion. I
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still feel like he's not under rated, but undervalued because he is very high

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maintenance. But like we kind of
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I don't know if we had him
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we at least honorable mentioned him,
and people just seem to pass over him

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so easily. So a couple of
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didn't make my list. One because
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because we're sort of he deserves praise
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usage rate is the lowest it's been
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his true shooting percentage is the highest
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So he definitely has like made that
trade off by necessity he physically can't

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do he can't play like he used
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so while we can praise him for
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here because his role on the Clippers
just isn't as big as like literally anybody

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else here that I considered for point
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prizing efficiency, then like, yeah, this is about as efficient as he's

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ever been. So I get it. For me. Six was dearon Fox

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and seven is Dame Lillard Fox.
I think could have been five pretty easily

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over Brunson. He's just like he's
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league. Like he's an awesome crush
time player gets the line. Uh has

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it continue to improve as a three
point shooter? Is to me so clearly

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the reason the Kings are as good
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he people tend to like split the
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off numbers do not support that position. It is very much you know,

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Fox and no Sabonis works. Sabonis
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It's like minus six is a net
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there. So uh after that,
I'll just I'll just give you my eight,

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nine, ten, just to knock
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Jamal Murray eight, that one.
It's harder to make the statistical case for

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him, but I think you have
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not that his numbers are bad,
Like I mean, we can, I

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can pull him up and you know, it's like twenty one four and almost

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you know, six and a half
assists on you know, almost forty percent

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shooting just a hair under like that's
legit. I think he's got more size

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than anybody else I considered here,
even though defensively that's not like where he's

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made his money. But I've also
seen him succeed at the highest level,

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and that's not really true of anybody
else that I've considered for the for the

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rest of the top ten. So
that did it for me and MAXI nine,

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Trey ten, and like ten could
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other guys that you could talk me
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want to put Trey on there because
of the defensive concerns and the sort of

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struggles of his teams over the last
couple of years, so I'll I have

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some I don't want to get into
the others I considered until you finish out

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your list. Here, I see
you have Fox at eight, no issue

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there. We're really actually very close. But you throwing Booker in there,

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I think changed it a little bit. But that just be curious who that

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knocks off for you. So I'll
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number eleven right now. I just
the so he is very good. I'm

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like, this is you know,
we're quippling and you start to split hairs

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when you're looking at you know,
this level of whatever. But there's just

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the element of he's both underappreciated because
of what Nikoliokic does, but he's also

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optimized because of what Nikoliochic does.
And I struggle to reconcile that with this

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overall value. We didn't even when
I did my all star reactions, I

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kind of forgot to mention him in
as an honorable mention. He certainly deserved

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to be an honorable mention. So
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list after that, except they were
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Fox at eight, which is just
you could he has a case over Brunton

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and Harden. I'm just gonna be
honest with like, the only players that

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I think fox the only players I
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and that's because I'm considered Bookery and
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I won't necessarily listen to counter arguments
again like four, I mean, I'll

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listen, but it's just gonna take
a lot to sway me. What was

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ended up being tough was my last
spot here. So having dame at number

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nine again, these guys are just
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which bumped off Maxi as well,
so I initially had Maxi when I was

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treating Sga as a shooting guard at
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underrated and he I'm kind of I'm
not done. I understand the defensive discourse,

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but we're like in season two point
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of him trying harder and he is
a tough fit. But you know who's

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also a tough fit, like it's
Luca. It can be hardened at points,

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and I don't know how much of
the blame falls on him for not

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adapting or revolving his play style enough
or is it like now that Quinn Snyder's

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there, it's almost like, all
right, this isn't Nate McMillan or Lloyd

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Pierce. Some of it has to
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Then you look at some of just
the line up data for Atlanta this

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year, it's not great for him, But like this dude in terms of

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setting guys up at the rim or
for corner threes, like there's him in

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Uka are just in classes of their
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his playmaking to me is just it
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my opinion, and so he was
I felt like he needed to be included.

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And with Maxi so him he was
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had Tyre's Maxi and then Jamal Murray
as my first cuts. Darius Garland is

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there as well, he just hasn't
if he would have played more the season,

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and even then he was struggling.
Please by the way, Darius Garland,

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just take more threes. I beg
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With Murray, he's probably the he's
well he's not. Probably he's the better

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passer than Maxie. What concerns me
about Maxie's ultimate ceiling is does he have

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any sort of wiggle room as a
playmaker to do something beyond like I need

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my speed to kind of capitalize off
of it, and it's not necessarily need

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a head of steam, but like, he's not someone who has the lateral

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playmaking element or the breakdown the defense
with his handle playmaking element. Jamal Murray

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has that, Dame has that,
Tray has that, Fox has that,

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Bruntson has that, and so I'm
just curious as to sounds like I'm dumping

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all over MAXI he was gonna get
a max contract in restricted free agency this

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year, he might make all NBA
for all I know. He was just

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him. He was tough, and
so was Murray. But those were my

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I think those two were clearly my
toughest cuts. And I will say if

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he had played more, and I'm
prepared to die on this hill and I

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just don't think people are watching this
team, LaMelo ball would be on this

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list for me. Yeah, I
think the injury made it easier. Same

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with Jaws, just like, well, we don't have to if we're doing

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this, and you know, next
year there's every possibility both those guys will

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be in the top ten. But
yeah, that Lamela Ball. I'm trying

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to think, Oh you said Garland
Harden was like my hardest cut from this.

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Do you know what's ridiculous that just
Drew Holliday is not here. That's

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the other name for me, and
Van Vliet is a little quite a ways

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further down. But I thought he
warranted a mention, just because I want

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to be exhaustive. I'm trying to
make sure we don't forget, at least

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to honorable mention guys that had like
to death. Yeah I had. The

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only other two I included on this
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Mostly that's like recency bias. Though
you're trolling me with that, I really

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because and people will hear and see
this eventually. Because shooting guard and small

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forward ended up being so tough for
me. I tried to figure out ways

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to make Kate a small forward.
I was I couldn't do it. Yeah,

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he might have been shoehorned off that
list anyway. So I'll recap my

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top ten very quickly, and I'll
give you like my two or three biggest

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what I consider snubs. I have
Shay Gilgers, Alexander at one, Luka,

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Doncic at two, Steph at three, Tyre's Haliburton at four, Devin

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Booker at five, James Harden at
six, Jalen Brunson at seven, Darren

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Fox at eight, Dame at nine, and Trey at ten. And my,

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I'll say my four toughest touch is
because I really love him is Lamello,

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Darius Garland, Jamal Murray and Tyres
Maxey. Okay, so for me,

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I've got Sga at one, Luca
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Jalen Brunson at five, Deer and
Fox six, Dame at seven,

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Jamal Murray at eight, Tyrese Maxi
nine, Trey Young ten and then my,

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you know, guys, I thought
pretty hard about but didn't quite make

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it hardened holiday Jah was an injury
one that was easier, and Garland and

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really you could throw LaMelo in there
too, as like, well, it's

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just we don't have to think about
it this year because of the miss time

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I was gonna ask you, is
that whether they're already on the list or

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your toughst cuts, like what's the
name that if we fast forward two or

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three years, it wouldn't shock you
if they were just skyrocketing up this list,

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and you could say scoot if you
really wanted to, but I don't.

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I'm too scared. I think I
think probably probably Morant or Ball I

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think would have the most sort of
like likelihood of really climbing. But this

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isn't you know, other than Steph. This is and Dame not an old

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old guy list really, so I
mean this could have some you know,

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at least the top five could have
some staying power. You just made me

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sad because it's like, if we
did this in another two or three years,

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is Steph even on it. I
mean, he shouldn't be, because

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he'll be like thirty eight. If
he might be still playing, there's I

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wouldn't. I wouldn't rule it out. Yeah, you know it used to

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be. If we'd had this conversation
last year, we might have just had

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Steph one. Right. It's like
it is it is interesting that I didn't

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even like Steph was not a consideration
at one for me. And that's the

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first time you would have been able
to say that for like ten years almost

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you know, he was before I
came to Jesus with SGAH and his positional

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thing, not his actual value.
I had him he was two, and

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I didn't quite like overthink it there
is this season though Halle and Booker both

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have cases over him. Probably,
Yeah, I think that's fair, And

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I mean really like Brunson just statistically
and like Brunson's team is better. His

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role is as big as a role
gets on a team like That's you could

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make a case. I wouldn't know
how. I mean, there's stats that

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measure this, and he'll just rank
in number one in all of them.

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But I don't know how to reconcile, just like I still have never seen

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defenses react to someone who is so
far away from the ball or moving away

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from a primary action that I just
and I don't know how to rationalize that.

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But that's someone I just want to
watch Steph on every has the ball,

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doesn't have the ball, never touches
it. I just want to watch

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Steph. Yeah, I agree.
You want to take us out here.

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These are meant to be for anyone
who's like, why aren't these eight hours

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long? These are our bite sized
podcasts. Well, Grant and I take

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a little bit of a break,
Yeah, because here's a bite sized outro.

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Thanks for checking in with us.
Let us know where what you agree

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with disagree with. I feel like
like I have to remind people to let

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us know what they disagree with.
That's that's the name of the game,

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people. And I want to interrupt
and say I appreciate all the support that

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we do get, but people are
so much apt to point out things they

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disagree with or will actually us and
like actually compliment our Yeah, like we

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had compliments for Oh, thank you
for engaging or thank you for doing these

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guests players, and I appreciate every
single one of them. I love,

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I love all support wet on Discord, but like it's very rare that and

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it will happen in Discord for the
most part, but it's like very rare.

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We'll be like, wow, this
is like great, Like thanks for

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putting in the effort. Guys were
good digs and this is not subject matter

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that's gonna incite any more of that
than usual. I'm just gonna start calling

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you randomly and just complimenting you to
to just kind of keep things on uneven

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keel uh if just wait till we
get to center, if you want to

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get angry at me specifically, so
you don't have to apologize to Jared Allen

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all over again or is it just
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