1 00:00:41,719 --> 00:00:47,479 Hello everybody, Hello and welcome. It's Matt Connerton Unleashed and we are live 2 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:52,479 from the studios of w m n H ninety five point three FM and Glorious 3 00:00:52,679 --> 00:00:57,200 Downtown Manchester, New Hampshire also on Comcast ninety seven. Are in Manchester, 4 00:00:57,280 --> 00:01:00,159 and hello to all of our online listeners across the nation and around on the 5 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:03,719 globe. You can go to my website Matt Connerton dot com for all of 6 00:01:03,759 --> 00:01:07,200 your live streaming options, social media links, contact in folk show archives, 7 00:01:07,239 --> 00:01:11,680 etc. Etc. Today is a Monday, June twenty six, twenty twenty 8 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:15,239 three, so nice to have y'all with me. By the way, a 9 00:01:15,319 --> 00:01:19,959 quick point of a note of explanation if you're wondering why that was an unusually 10 00:01:21,079 --> 00:01:25,480 long intro with the music, you know, I always opened usually I opened 11 00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:27,400 with a song or two. That was a bunch of songs. So we're 12 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:32,959 starting the actual show part a little bit late. I blame the weather. 13 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:36,359 That was quite a storm that we just had. Now, if you're listening 14 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:41,079 live and you're listening in the Manchester, New Hampshire area, you probably realize 15 00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:46,400 and I don't know how you could not realize it because and I no joke, 16 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:53,400 no exaggeration. That had to be the loudest thunder I've ever heard in 17 00:01:53,439 --> 00:01:57,400 my life. Earlier, we just had quite a storm roll through here. 18 00:01:57,879 --> 00:02:00,439 Didn't last too too long, although little bit longer than I would have liked. 19 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:07,840 But uh so when I when I arrived here at the when I arrived 20 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:12,719 here at the station, uh we had a little bit of technical issues to 21 00:02:12,719 --> 00:02:15,840 figure out, and I believe it was because of the storm. I think 22 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:21,639 the storm probably caused a surgeon electricity and a couple of the computers were down 23 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:24,319 and had to get everything uh back up to speed up to spec if you 24 00:02:24,319 --> 00:02:28,639 will. So starting starting this part of the show a little bit late, 25 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:32,360 so I apologize, but well, the weather caused me more trouble than that, 26 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:35,120 though, but we'll get to that. We have a call. Hi, 27 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:38,520 Welcome to Matt Connerton Unleashed. Is this hello, Matts? So right? 28 00:02:38,599 --> 00:02:45,360 So did Jerry Robinson. Oh my goodness, Jerry Robinson from Jerry Robinson's 29 00:02:45,439 --> 00:02:50,319 video Chronicles and and the the leader of the Rock and Roll Army and so 30 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:53,719 forth. This is It's wonderful to hear from you again, sir, Yes, 31 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:55,840 Matt, so listen. I don't want to take up much of your 32 00:02:55,840 --> 00:03:00,000 time today. I understand you're a very busy man and you have many things 33 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:02,479 to talk about on your radio show. Yeah, I just I just need 34 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:07,639 to talk really quickly about just how wonderful of a great guide that you want. 35 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:14,840 You stayed on the phone with me for four hours streak helping me send 36 00:03:14,879 --> 00:03:19,120 a file over email. You said you dropped everything that you were doing, 37 00:03:19,199 --> 00:03:23,280 wife, kids, nothing else, Matt, and I just really appreciate you, 38 00:03:23,360 --> 00:03:29,280 and people need to know that wmnh's is very own matso Ratzo Covington will 39 00:03:29,319 --> 00:03:32,479 do anything in the world for his listeners. Well, Jerry Robinson, I 40 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:36,759 appreciate you, and that's why I was so willing to help you figure out 41 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:38,599 how to attach a file to an email and send that email. I mean, 42 00:03:38,639 --> 00:03:44,960 I appreciate you so much. If I were a network news anchor in 43 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:49,520 the middle of covering the news over the weekend, and and you had texted 44 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:52,000 me or emailed me and said, Matt, can you get on the phone 45 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:53,680 I need technical help with something, I would drop everything, Jerry. I 46 00:03:53,719 --> 00:03:57,719 would drop everything. I would drive to wherever you were just to help you 47 00:03:57,759 --> 00:04:00,439 in person. In fact, if I couldn't dispatch a technician, of course, 48 00:04:00,919 --> 00:04:03,240 Uh, you know you're worth it, my friend, You, sir, 49 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:09,520 are worth it. I really appreciate that, Matt. So another thing, 50 00:04:10,159 --> 00:04:13,599 obviously, I can't see his name because we were over that of course. 51 00:04:13,639 --> 00:04:15,879 Yeah, yeah, there's a coup. I'm taking over. I command 52 00:04:15,879 --> 00:04:18,480 the rock and roll Army. Yeah. I would just like to know if 53 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:21,959 you would like to be my first Uh my, I guess we'll say, 54 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:28,639 commander to the Supreme Leader of rock and Roll. Oh my god, uh, 55 00:04:29,399 --> 00:04:32,079 Jerry, I have to tell you, I've I've dreamt of this moment. 56 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:36,600 I can't believe it's happening. You're actually offering me that the loot. 57 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:42,800 I'm sorry, what was it again, the lieutenant assistant Supreme something, the 58 00:04:42,839 --> 00:04:46,360 commander to the Supreme Leader of rock and roll. Yeah, yes, the 59 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:48,079 Commander to the Supreme Leader of rock and Roll. I'll tell you it's a 60 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:51,959 mouthful, it's it's a little wordy, but I I've dreamt of this moment, 61 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:56,199 sir. This is truly an incredible honor. Thank you, thank you 62 00:04:56,279 --> 00:05:01,839 so much, and count man, you are officially first member of Jerry's rock 63 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:05,079 and Roll on me. Thank you very much. Matt. I really appreciate 64 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:11,480 it. I feel like applauding for that, and then and then I'm applauding 65 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:14,519 on my end, but I'm holding my jitabug telephone. That's that's one of 66 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:17,759 the reasons I had issue sending the email because I have the extra lodge buttons, 67 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:23,199 and you know, because I'm old. Uh but yeah, that's that's 68 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:26,319 basically what happened. Yeah, i'd pope believe me. I understand. We 69 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:29,959 all get older. Jerry. It's okay, Yeah, it's it's it's all 70 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:33,160 right. It's okay to be old, just not old and crazy, apparently 71 00:05:33,199 --> 00:05:38,279 from what we know from sudden people. Lets I just I really appreciate everything 72 00:05:38,319 --> 00:05:41,519 you've done for me. I'm gonna hop off you and I hope you have 73 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:45,439 a great rest of your day. All the best, Jerry. All right, 74 00:05:45,439 --> 00:05:48,639 bye, Jerry, thank you. Wow, Wow, the great Jerry 75 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:54,199 Robinson. You can check him out on YouTube and seriously, he's on YouTube 76 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:57,680 and you do need to check him out. I'm not kidding. Jerry Robinson's 77 00:05:57,720 --> 00:06:00,199 video chronicles I've shared out a few things of him is and uh, yes, 78 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:03,800 there has been a coup, not that kind of a coup. There 79 00:06:03,879 --> 00:06:08,480 was an almost coup over the weekend, which we will certainly talk about today, 80 00:06:08,759 --> 00:06:11,600 but there can be more than one kind of coup. And I'm just 81 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:16,480 so excited that he has invited me to be the oh god, what was 82 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:24,439 it, the deputy assistant colonel in the battalion for Rock and Roll or something, 83 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:27,759 whatever it is. I mean, it sounds very prestigious, but even 84 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:30,839 more importantly, it sounds like something where I will have a tremendous amount of 85 00:06:30,879 --> 00:06:33,399 power. And by the way, you can trust me. You know, 86 00:06:33,399 --> 00:06:39,319 they say with great power comes great responsibility. And one thing I would just 87 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:45,199 assure all of you is you can, in fact trust me with great power. 88 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:48,439 And anyone who says you can't, boy, they've got something coming to 89 00:06:48,519 --> 00:06:51,399 them. I'm kidding. No, you can trust me with great power. 90 00:06:51,519 --> 00:06:55,839 Very nice, always nice here from our friend Jerry Robinson. That does open 91 00:06:55,920 --> 00:06:59,399 up the line for you. Six three two five six seven six zo three 92 00:06:59,439 --> 00:07:02,759 two five six seven on the studio line, and uh, we do have 93 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:08,360 another call. Let's see. I think this might be our friend easyg Eric 94 00:07:08,399 --> 00:07:12,240 Gagnet on the line. Hello, Easy, is that you? Yes it 95 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:15,519 is. Hey. That was quite a storm over here too, Wow, 96 00:07:15,639 --> 00:07:19,879 torrential rain in Nashua. Yeah, yeah, it was. It was pouring 97 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:24,079 here. I well, I didn't even talk about, you know, like 98 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:30,240 getting here. Honestly, I was concerned because driving here, the roads were 99 00:07:30,279 --> 00:07:36,519 flooding. Uh quickly, I put off. I actually put literally eric, 100 00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:41,600 I'm standing on the porch where I live, waiting for it to let up, 101 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:44,199 because you know, I don't mind getting wet, but I also have 102 00:07:44,279 --> 00:07:46,519 my my own computer that I bring in with me, and I have a 103 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:48,079 bag that I carry it in, but I don't want this to get wet, 104 00:07:48,439 --> 00:07:51,680 and uh so, so I kept I kept waiting and waiting, and 105 00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:55,079 I'm like waiting it, waiting for it to let up, and waiting for 106 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:57,759 it to let up. And then finally I was like, I can't wait 107 00:07:57,800 --> 00:08:00,759 anymore. I gotta go. I can't be late. It's a live radio 108 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:03,720 show. But then as I'm driving here, I'm like, oh no, 109 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:07,800 I shouldn't have waited at all. I should have left immediately. I should 110 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:11,560 have left on time, because the roads were starting to flood here, um 111 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:16,399 in spots wherever it doesn't usually flood. And I was genuinely like, coming 112 00:08:16,399 --> 00:08:20,240 over the bridge, I was really kind of worried. I mean, it 113 00:08:20,279 --> 00:08:22,879 was it was happening quickly. I was very relieved once I safely got to 114 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:26,879 the parking garage. Yeah, I figured, you guys every trouble with the 115 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:28,839 radio station, said, well, that's a twenty minute opening, doesn't really 116 00:08:30,319 --> 00:08:31,879 that's a long opening. Well yeah, I mean we were on the air 117 00:08:31,919 --> 00:08:35,320 and everything. But um, but in order to start start the show, 118 00:08:35,519 --> 00:08:39,600 you know, I liked to get the Facebook feed going and and of course, 119 00:08:39,799 --> 00:08:43,480 um uh you get everything set to record the show, and uh, 120 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:46,519 we were just having some trouble with those computers. But those computers were off. 121 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:50,639 But I think what I assume what happened is because literally, I mean 122 00:08:50,799 --> 00:08:56,559 the thunder was so loud, there was probably a surge of power surge somewhere 123 00:08:56,600 --> 00:08:58,919 in the building that shut those computers off. And then and then it was 124 00:09:00,279 --> 00:09:01,960 different one of them. It was difficult to get it started again. So 125 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:05,200 you know, it happens. But you know, we're here, we're we're 126 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:09,000 on the air. We go we go forth. Um, so it's all 127 00:09:09,039 --> 00:09:11,759 good. I had to call Peter White and uh, because I couldn't I 128 00:09:11,799 --> 00:09:15,919 wasn't sure which. Yeah, I just I didn't want to push the wrong 129 00:09:15,919 --> 00:09:20,120 button on the wrong computer and accidentally take us off the air completely. Because 130 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:24,399 we were we were on the air the entire time, but so Peter had 131 00:09:24,399 --> 00:09:28,799 to had to help me out, but we got through it. Hey that 132 00:09:28,919 --> 00:09:35,240 lost calls familiar, Yeah, he does, he does. He reminds me 133 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:41,159 of somebody too. I can't quite I can't quite place him, but Jerry 134 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:45,559 Robinson, I have to say Salt of the Earth, and I'm I'm very 135 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:50,399 I'm very excited to have been offered the position of oh god, what was 136 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:58,480 it like the deputy assistant manager of the Rock and Roll Lieutenant major or something. 137 00:10:00,039 --> 00:10:03,840 Anyway, it's it's a very prestigious position, easyg And I'm excited. 138 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:07,039 Perhaps he'll offer you a position in the Rock and Roll Army as well. 139 00:10:07,919 --> 00:10:13,360 Oh yeah, yeah, this one it was almost gone, almost two hour 140 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:22,559 review of the four through the through the they formed the the Forbidden Door, 141 00:10:22,799 --> 00:10:28,519 and that was it was quite a quite a spectacle. We should clarify for 142 00:10:28,559 --> 00:10:31,840 people who don't know that's a wrestling pay per view. When you say forbidden 143 00:10:31,919 --> 00:10:35,200 Door, Uh, some people might think you're talking about something that would be 144 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:39,799 more suited to Matt Connor, to Daniel Daniel the yes man got hurt. 145 00:10:39,799 --> 00:10:43,799 I guess he's out six to eight weeks. He heard, Uh, is 146 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:46,960 I figured what he heard, but he got injured. I did. I 147 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:52,000 did see something about that, Yes, yes, yes, uh the great 148 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:58,120 Brian Danielson. Yes, I'm thinking it was true. But Kenny Omega match 149 00:10:58,159 --> 00:11:01,440 what din't match? That was? I guess. I don't forget the other 150 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:05,799 guy he was rustling, but it was all They were all all bloody. 151 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:09,279 I don't like. Uh yeah, I don't like a lot of blood either. 152 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:13,159 I do want to see uh mjf W likes to be edgy, though, 153 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:15,440 you know they do. I would like to see. Uh. I 154 00:11:15,480 --> 00:11:18,039 know one of the matches was MJF versus Tana Hashi. I would very much 155 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:20,320 like to see that. I would like to find that online and watch it. 156 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:24,960 Yeah, I will tell you what happens. Uh okay, yeah, 157 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:28,159 we'll tell you a story's storyline. Though he said he won the Russell first, 158 00:11:28,679 --> 00:11:33,000 so that way you get the hell out of that Canada I was a 159 00:11:33,039 --> 00:11:35,720 storyline. Of course, probably didn't get the hell out of They probably just 160 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:39,559 stayed on back. Who knows. M J said, you know that guy 161 00:11:39,639 --> 00:11:41,440 likes to be edgy. Yes he does, Yes he does. He plays 162 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:46,440 his character very well well. Before I let you go, what is that 163 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:50,039 thing? That Bobby Heenen said about the cheating. I always forgot that statement. 164 00:11:50,399 --> 00:11:56,639 He said, uh oh u when it I remember, okay, when 165 00:11:56,679 --> 00:11:58,919 if you can lose, if you must, but always cheat and never get 166 00:12:00,039 --> 00:12:03,320 caught. That's what Bobby the brain, and so I want to remember us. 167 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:07,039 Yeah, I like the old statement, the it's okay to cheese as 168 00:12:07,039 --> 00:12:09,759 long as you don't get caught, right, right. But by the way, 169 00:12:09,799 --> 00:12:13,840 easy g though, these are these are villains in wrestling who say these 170 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:16,799 things. We are not. These are not our we are men of honor. 171 00:12:16,919 --> 00:12:24,080 These are not our philosophies in life. Yes, I'll leave it this 172 00:12:24,159 --> 00:12:26,399 crazy. I don't know who is rustling up again now, but I believe 173 00:12:26,399 --> 00:12:31,279 this, but the referee store in front of the wrestlers who won the acaman 174 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:35,519 on the corner there, and uh, can you believe that the referee in 175 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:39,440 the in the in the match, and I can't believe enjoy it though, 176 00:12:39,759 --> 00:12:43,120 you know, I can't believe when they hit the chair or something, the 177 00:12:43,159 --> 00:12:46,320 refeluc the other way, Frankly, all into the game. It's they're all 178 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:54,159 part of the storyline. Frankly, I'm shocked. Yes, but yeah, 179 00:12:54,360 --> 00:13:01,519 so sometimes that review of oh yeah, the two almost two hours m review 180 00:13:01,519 --> 00:13:05,679 of The Foreign Door. Sometimes it um somehow evaporates. I found that out. 181 00:13:05,720 --> 00:13:07,639 If you don't watch it, like early in the morning, for some 182 00:13:07,679 --> 00:13:13,120 reason, it gets a race. What does what? What? What do 183 00:13:13,240 --> 00:13:16,360 you want to see? The review? You know, on to YouTube for 184 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:18,720 some reasons. If you don't watch it like early in the morning, it 185 00:13:18,759 --> 00:13:22,440 disappears. Oh, Fredo is in the chat room, says, remember when 186 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:26,879 Hulkogen went bad? Oh vividly it was a great moment, joined the n 187 00:13:28,120 --> 00:13:31,080 w O. But do you think that's true? Though? When they put 188 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:33,360 it on YouTube for a while and then they take then they get written, 189 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:37,840 then it goes on race. Well, so if someone who is not authorized, 190 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:41,960 uh put something on YouTube, what can happen? Is and Warner Brothers 191 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:46,120 Discovery is pretty aggressive about this. Uh they of course, uh you know, 192 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:50,279 do the television for a wh they will, they will have it taken 193 00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:54,600 down. WWE does the same thing. They'll have things removed. Yeah. 194 00:13:54,639 --> 00:13:58,759 So if I watch it early in the morning, sometimes I've transferred all my 195 00:13:58,799 --> 00:14:03,080 Facebook page and later number one lay it's not there. It's not there. 196 00:14:03,799 --> 00:14:07,279 You know what I do? Actually, if I if something is on the 197 00:14:07,399 --> 00:14:11,960 YouTube that I really want to see and I'm concerned that it might not still 198 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:15,200 be there when I get around actually watching it. I'll download it and then 199 00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:22,840 I have it. Oh, he's say in the future, now WW gets 200 00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:26,600 it's um it's got together with the other company there, you seef whatever that 201 00:14:26,639 --> 00:14:31,159 place there. You told me that they won't have any other matches on YouTube 202 00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:33,919 anymore. You'll just be able to find it out online and won't it won't 203 00:14:33,919 --> 00:14:39,320 be any video anymore. Huh, I said that. I don't know. 204 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:43,240 You would tell me when you know the WW is getting together with a new 205 00:14:43,279 --> 00:14:46,799 company there. Yeah, UFC tell me when that happens. He's not gonna 206 00:14:46,879 --> 00:14:48,600 have any of your matches on YouTube. You won't be able to see it 207 00:14:48,639 --> 00:14:52,840 there. I think you told me that. I don't remember saying that. 208 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:56,919 Um, well, maybe Eric Pipplin is did from and the Uh yeah, 209 00:14:56,960 --> 00:14:58,960 Iowa, maybe he told me that. I don't know. I mean, 210 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:03,159 you'll always be able to find things on YouTube, just not everything, all 211 00:15:03,240 --> 00:15:07,759 right, So that makes sense in them. Yeah, they think it off 212 00:15:07,759 --> 00:15:16,600 them the YouTube because the somebody's using on authours. Yeah that makes sense. 213 00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:20,840 Thank you. Good, all right, I'll let you go and I'll be 214 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:22,960 careful to crazy weather. Yes, absolutely, all right, thanks EASYG. 215 00:15:24,399 --> 00:15:26,159 All right, that was our friend, EASYG. How you should have known 216 00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:30,919 by now, easy dovy. That opens up the line for you six zo 217 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:35,840 three two five zero six zero seven six three two five zero six zero seven. 218 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:37,879 Of course you can also text me at six one seven nine one seven 219 00:15:37,919 --> 00:15:43,080 four four seven six. I'm on social media at Matt Connerton. You can 220 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:46,879 email me Matt at Matt Connerton dot com, and of course you can interact 221 00:15:46,960 --> 00:15:50,159 endopine and the Facebook live chat. We will say hello to everybody in there 222 00:15:50,159 --> 00:15:52,320 in a moment. But the best thing to do so that we can hear 223 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:56,000 and enjoy your dulcet tones is to give us a call at six zo three 224 00:15:56,039 --> 00:15:58,720 two five zero six z seven six zo three two five zero six z seven. 225 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:02,120 But yeah, I just kinda finish my story and put a button on 226 00:16:02,159 --> 00:16:04,240 that so um, yeah, it started pouring out. I was still at 227 00:16:04,279 --> 00:16:07,240 home, see I do um. I do the bulk of my show prep 228 00:16:07,279 --> 00:16:11,080 in the office at home, and then I come to the station, so 229 00:16:11,159 --> 00:16:14,759 I you know, I have I have it ready. So then I come 230 00:16:14,799 --> 00:16:18,480 to the station and I like to get here no later than three thirty. 231 00:16:18,559 --> 00:16:22,039 I like to I like to be here at minimum a half hour before I 232 00:16:22,039 --> 00:16:23,519 have to go live on the air and get settled in and set up and 233 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:29,360 everything. But um, it was pouring so hard. I'm standing out on 234 00:16:29,399 --> 00:16:30,559 the porch waiting, Okay, well, it's got to let up at some 235 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:33,440 point. And like I said, while I was outside, that was the 236 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:37,879 loudest thunder I've ever heard in my life. And then finally I said, 237 00:16:37,879 --> 00:16:40,960 I can't wait anymore. I gotta go. So I go. Um, 238 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:44,159 I throw my computer into the you know, because I bring my my computer. 239 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:45,120 I'm not worried about getting wet, but I don't want to get the 240 00:16:45,159 --> 00:16:48,600 computer wet, throw it into the car. I'm driving here and the and 241 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:53,080 the water is coming up on the roads really fast, and I'm like, 242 00:16:53,080 --> 00:16:56,759 oh my god, I hope I'm not gonna get caught in a flash flood 243 00:16:56,799 --> 00:16:59,879 here. Um. I'd never that was, you know, I wouldn't have 244 00:16:59,879 --> 00:17:00,879 been a big deal if I still had the jeep. But the car I 245 00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:03,839 drive now, it's lower to the ground, and it was it was a 246 00:17:03,839 --> 00:17:08,759 little hairy getting here. So anyway, I hope, I hope nobody got 247 00:17:08,759 --> 00:17:11,960 caught in that in a really bad way. And of course it's stopped raining, 248 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:17,680 and I'm sure the waters receded on the streets and everything. But although 249 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:21,559 I remember a couple of years ago, had to be two maybe three years 250 00:17:21,559 --> 00:17:23,680 ago, there was a summer storm where I think it was in the summer 251 00:17:23,759 --> 00:17:30,680 at least, where there were parts of Manchester that actually had like real significant 252 00:17:30,720 --> 00:17:34,880 flooding in the roads and it was and people got stuck, and it was 253 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:40,359 it was pretty bad. I remember seeing images online of a parking lot somewhere 254 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:44,599 in the city where it must have been, you know, kind of below 255 00:17:44,680 --> 00:17:49,440 street level and in the parking lot where they had just like cars were you 256 00:17:49,480 --> 00:17:55,400 know, the water was up past their tires. Really not good. So 257 00:17:55,640 --> 00:17:57,880 it can happen anywhere. We're pretty fortunate here though. We rarely have any 258 00:17:57,960 --> 00:18:00,680 kind of flooding or anything like that, or really any kind of extreme weather 259 00:18:00,720 --> 00:18:04,319 events. So we're fortunate in that sense, you know. And then I 260 00:18:04,359 --> 00:18:07,599 got here and we just like I said, we had a little bit of 261 00:18:07,759 --> 00:18:11,680 tech issues, which I'm sure we're related to the storm. That cannot possibly 262 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:17,319 be a coincidence. So but here we are, so on this beautiful day. 263 00:18:18,839 --> 00:18:22,440 I mean, it's rainy and dreary outside, but it's beautiful. Otherwise 264 00:18:23,279 --> 00:18:26,960 we'll say he loot everybody in the Facebook live chat and then we'll get into 265 00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:30,400 some stuff because I don't know if you all notice, but kind of a 266 00:18:30,440 --> 00:18:33,599 big day, while a big weekend, I should say, in the news, 267 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:37,839 and that story is not over yet. There's still a lot we don't 268 00:18:37,920 --> 00:18:41,839 know. We'll get to it, though, we will get to it. 269 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:44,799 It is certainly top of mind for me and I'm sure for many of you 270 00:18:44,839 --> 00:18:48,160 as well. Hello to Miriam Bannish, who joins us in the Facebook live 271 00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:52,480 chat. Good afternoon. Jenny is in the Facebook live chat and says shalom 272 00:18:52,720 --> 00:18:56,119 from DC. Yes, Jenny is in Washington, DC right now as we 273 00:18:56,160 --> 00:19:02,200 speak. She'll be returning tomorrow. But she had to give a speech yesterday 274 00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:06,279 and another one today which she said was I think the I think she told 275 00:19:06,279 --> 00:19:10,240 me a messenger was the largest crowd she'd ever spoken in front of. So 276 00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:15,839 very proud of her. She's doing great things, Miriam says. Jerry Robinson 277 00:19:15,119 --> 00:19:21,160 sounded a little like Gilbert Godfried and Bernie Sanders combined, which is impossible unless 278 00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:26,279 Gilbert is speaking from the grave. No, that's that's a good insight though. 279 00:19:26,279 --> 00:19:30,960 That is kind of how Jerry Robinson sounds actually although the somebody else he 280 00:19:30,079 --> 00:19:33,759 reminds me of. Fredo also said in the chat room, good to know 281 00:19:33,839 --> 00:19:37,200 EASYG is on the right side of things. Yes, EASYG. He doesn't. 282 00:19:37,759 --> 00:19:41,640 He doesn't like it, you know, when these wrestlers they do you 283 00:19:41,799 --> 00:19:48,200 dirty. He likes sportsmanship and honor. Alex Whiley, one of our friends 284 00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:51,599 from the UK, is in the chat and says, good evening. Pheasant 285 00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:56,519 pluckers. I'd be careful how I said that on the air, and may 286 00:19:56,759 --> 00:20:00,960 make sure to enunciate the words correctly so I don't get myself in trouble. 287 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:07,519 Uh. Pheasant pluckers? Is that like a term for Americans? I don't 288 00:20:07,559 --> 00:20:11,279 know. I can honestly say I never in my life have plucked a pheasant, 289 00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:15,839 but I don't. I don't like to go near birds. They frightened 290 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:22,319 me. Charles Richardson from the state of Florida joins us in the Chireman says, 291 00:20:22,319 --> 00:20:26,599 hey people, your nightmare is here. Oh my goodness. Alex Whiteley 292 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:30,160 says hard to drive through a storm in the aston Martin amatt ha, Oh 293 00:20:30,279 --> 00:20:34,359 my goodness. Well, I'll tell you what I f only I knew, 294 00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:38,160 Although I wonder how those are on gas. Let me give the studio line 295 00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:42,000 again and then we'll get into the news of the weekend. Six three two 296 00:20:42,039 --> 00:20:45,960 five six seven six three two five six seven. By the way, we're 297 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:49,839 supposed to have a guest joined us today too, and I'd mentioned on Friday, 298 00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:53,799 but I have not heard from her and she's not here, so I 299 00:20:53,799 --> 00:20:56,240 don't know if she caught in the rain or something came up. It is 300 00:20:56,319 --> 00:21:03,440 not a big deal, but she is. Uh, let's just coming in 301 00:21:03,319 --> 00:21:06,720 in the second hour. It's possible I may have misunderstood something. We'll see, 302 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:11,759 we'll play it by here. But yeah, so on Friday night, 303 00:21:11,839 --> 00:21:15,839 you know, I'm here, of course for Retro Spectrum Radio on Friday nights 304 00:21:15,839 --> 00:21:18,039 from eight to eleven PM. So Friday is my long day here. I 305 00:21:18,079 --> 00:21:22,480 do double duty. I do this show and that show and one of Paul 306 00:21:22,599 --> 00:21:25,559 C's co hosts on that show, and we have a fantastic time. Actually, 307 00:21:25,599 --> 00:21:29,440 this past Friday was cool because so it was the usual crew of Paul 308 00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:33,359 C and myself and DJ Steve and Mike from Queen City Cabinetry, but we 309 00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:37,960 were also joined by Kyle Heavey, very important part of the WMH family. 310 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:41,079 The host of Off the Mark Sports, which you can hear on Sunday mornings 311 00:21:41,079 --> 00:21:45,079 here on WMNH. So I was cool to have Kyle here as well. 312 00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:48,680 So he's a great guy. I actually was on his show once. I'm 313 00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:52,960 not a sports fan, but when back when Vince McMahon had initially stepped down 314 00:21:52,759 --> 00:21:56,960 as chairman of WWE, I was invited to. I was invited to go 315 00:21:57,000 --> 00:22:00,599 on the show and talk about it. So I had a good time. 316 00:22:00,599 --> 00:22:10,119 But oh, Scott Robinson joins us in the chat and says, uh, 317 00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:11,400 it's a little inside but if you know, you know, Scott said, 318 00:22:12,079 --> 00:22:15,480 is it the state rep elect who is scheduled to come in today, Matt 319 00:22:15,519 --> 00:22:19,880 to clear their name? Uh no, No, mister Crabs is uh, 320 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:29,519 we'll not be joining us on the premises. No, never again anyway. 321 00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:33,519 Uh so, Uh so I was here Friday night and then the show's over, 322 00:22:33,559 --> 00:22:37,319 we wrap up the show, you know, and then of course we're 323 00:22:37,319 --> 00:22:40,599 here for a few minutes because Paul has to to save the file and upload 324 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:45,559 the show to uh the website WMH radio dot org, where of course all 325 00:22:45,599 --> 00:22:49,480 the shows are archived. And I'm looking at the news and I see that 326 00:22:49,599 --> 00:22:53,440 something is going on in Russia. And actually the first thing I saw was 327 00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:59,279 somebody on Twitter had said made a comment about there might be a coup going 328 00:22:59,319 --> 00:23:03,960 on right now in Russia, and that sure got my attention. And so 329 00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:10,880 I'm looking and uh, and I see what's happening, And uh, how 330 00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:12,000 do you say his name? Is it? I'm not sure I'm saying it 331 00:23:12,039 --> 00:23:15,480 because you know, you hear you hear his name on the news and it's 332 00:23:15,599 --> 00:23:18,319 uh, you hear it pronounced a couple of different ways. But VEGNI, 333 00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:22,920 uh, you know what, I need to see it. I want to 334 00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:29,359 make sure I'm getting his last name somewhat because I've never until today. Today 335 00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:34,200 will be the first time I've ever spoken this individual's name on the show, 336 00:23:34,319 --> 00:23:40,799 or actually probably the first time i've ever spoken is it. No, I'm 337 00:23:40,839 --> 00:23:41,799 not going to say it correctly. I know I'm not. Let me just 338 00:23:41,839 --> 00:23:48,160 look up here if I see it in front of me. Um. Yeah, 339 00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:59,839 I've never said his name before ever. Pregosion yev Denny. Ye see 340 00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:03,920 it looks like I feel like the why is silent, like it's Evgenny. 341 00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:11,640 That's how I'm going to say it anyway, Evgeny Progosian, I keep wanting 342 00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:15,440 to go dyslexic, dyslexic with it. See I can't even say dyslexic without 343 00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:19,640 jumbling the letters. But uh, Progosian, I just seem to have his 344 00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:23,960 last name correctly, really correct, progosion. Um. I see on the 345 00:24:25,039 --> 00:24:30,000 news, in the news Friday night that progosion Is has formed a column, 346 00:24:30,039 --> 00:24:37,559 a military column, marching towards Moscow, and all hell seems to have broken 347 00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:44,599 loose. And I'm just in awe. I didn't see this coming. Apparently 348 00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:49,200 some people thought it was this might happen, but not as quickly as it 349 00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:53,279 did. But uh, but I was quite I was quite surprised to see 350 00:24:53,319 --> 00:24:57,799 this happening. And then on Saturday, of course, the story continued. 351 00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:03,799 And I'll tell you what I did. Look, I will be completely honest 352 00:25:03,839 --> 00:25:10,640 with you. I did wake up Saturday morning with kind of a fantasy of 353 00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:15,200 Vladimir Putin being dragged through the street. There was a part of me that 354 00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:22,240 really wanted to see Progosion get all the way to Moscow and to see something 355 00:25:22,279 --> 00:25:26,720 happened to Vladimir Putin. Because if you're a regular listener, you know how 356 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:30,319 I feel about Vladimir Putin. And I say that with apologies to any Tucker 357 00:25:30,319 --> 00:25:33,880 Carlson fans who might be pro Russia, but I am anti Vladimir Putin, 358 00:25:34,279 --> 00:25:38,279 nothing against the Russian people, but obviously I am anti Vladimir Putin, and 359 00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:42,480 I want something terrible to happen to him. But there's the reality I've see. 360 00:25:42,519 --> 00:25:45,599 There's so many different layers to this, which is part of what makes 361 00:25:45,599 --> 00:25:49,640 it so fascinating with what happened over the weekend and what is happening now the 362 00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:55,359 fallout from it, because maybe fallout's not the best word to use, because 363 00:25:55,400 --> 00:26:03,640 we are talking about the potential destabilization of the world's largest nuclear power in terms 364 00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:07,920 of you know, I mean, Russia has the largest stockpile of nuclear weapons 365 00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:11,839 of any country in the world, even beyond that of the United States, 366 00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:19,200 and has almost fifty percent of all of the world's nuclear weapons. So Russia 367 00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:23,640 is a very powerful nuclear state. That's why whenever I hear people, whenever 368 00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:29,440 I have heard people over the years kind of take Russia lightly, even Rhn 369 00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:32,519 de Santis, I think at one point recently I heard him say something about 370 00:26:32,519 --> 00:26:36,160 he called Russia just a glorified gas station with nuclear weapons, and it's like, 371 00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:41,440 okay, Governor but the key is the key words in that phrase, 372 00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:45,039 that you're using nuclear weapons, and they've got a lot of them. I 373 00:26:45,079 --> 00:26:49,279 always like to remind people when when people get a little bit uh, sort 374 00:26:49,279 --> 00:26:53,880 of cavalier about how we deal with Russia and don't seem to be taking Russia 375 00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:56,279 seriously. I like to remind people. I mean, well, I shouldn't 376 00:26:56,319 --> 00:27:00,799 say like, I really take no joy in it, but he should confront 377 00:27:00,839 --> 00:27:04,240 the reality of it, I suppose, and the reality being that Russia has 378 00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:11,680 the capability with long range ICBMs, they have the capability to destroy destroy the 379 00:27:11,799 --> 00:27:17,720 United States and approximately the amount of time it takes a pizza delivered. So 380 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:22,480 just some food for thought, to continue the food analogy, because I like 381 00:27:22,559 --> 00:27:26,440 pizza, but I don't like nuclear war, so I'd rather avoid that if 382 00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:30,160 we could. So these are things that we need to keep in mind when 383 00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:33,240 we talk about Russia. On the one hand, yes, of course, 384 00:27:33,279 --> 00:27:36,880 I woke up Saturday morning within a mental picture in my mind which gave me 385 00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:41,000 quite a chuckle of Vladimir Putin because I hate him and think he's evil being 386 00:27:41,079 --> 00:27:42,680 dragged through the streets. But the reality is, of course, if that 387 00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:48,480 were to happen, who takes his place, and Progosion is no hero. 388 00:27:49,759 --> 00:27:52,720 He seems to be a hero to some people in Russia. I know that 389 00:27:52,759 --> 00:27:56,440 there were some people who were taking selfies with him and were cheering him as 390 00:27:56,519 --> 00:28:02,519 he was moving closer to Moscow. They had taken over with apparently without firing 391 00:28:02,519 --> 00:28:04,799 a single shot, a city the name of which escapes me, but it 392 00:28:04,839 --> 00:28:08,960 starts with an R. On their way to Moscow, and they got about 393 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:15,000 one hundred twenty miles close to Moscow when they decided to or Moscow. I 394 00:28:15,039 --> 00:28:18,799 pronounce at Moscow. I know in broadcasting school they tell you there's no mosque, 395 00:28:18,839 --> 00:28:23,000 there's no cow in Moscow. So I say Moscow, but say John 396 00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:26,000 Hopwood yelled at me about that once. But whatever I'm gonna say out how 397 00:28:26,039 --> 00:28:30,559 I like um. So they got about one hundred and twenty miles out and 398 00:28:30,599 --> 00:28:38,680 then that was it. They turned around. Now Progosion again though he's he's 399 00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:47,000 no hero. So while it's interesting to indulge, as I did in my 400 00:28:47,039 --> 00:28:52,200 own mind, the ideas of Putin being deposed and something terrible happening to him 401 00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:55,680 in the process, and by the way, if Putin ever is deposed as 402 00:28:55,759 --> 00:29:00,519 the leader of Russia, it, you know, something it will be because 403 00:29:00,559 --> 00:29:06,640 something terrible is happening to him, because it will probably whatever occurs will probably 404 00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:10,920 occur in a very violent fashion. He's uh, you know, he's not 405 00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:17,920 just going to go quietly certainly. Um. But but we don't know what 406 00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:23,279 or who or how bad they might be would replace him. So so on 407 00:29:23,279 --> 00:29:26,519 on one hand, yes, it's it's I mean, I I had a 408 00:29:26,559 --> 00:29:30,799 mix of emotions just watching this all play out on Saturday. You know, 409 00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:34,960 there's there's the excitement of oh, look, it's it's really coming apart in 410 00:29:36,079 --> 00:29:41,839 Russia for Vladimir Putin. That's great. But then there's the also you have 411 00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:47,599 to think about but wait again, Russia, being the world's most powerful country 412 00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:51,759 from a standpoint of having nuclear weapons, is coming apart. Maybe that's actually 413 00:29:51,799 --> 00:29:56,279 not so great. Um. And then if if progosion does get all the 414 00:29:56,279 --> 00:30:03,200 way to Moscow and is who replaces Vladimir Putin and the Kremlin, ultimately he 415 00:30:03,319 --> 00:30:07,119 might be worse, and he might be willing to use strategic nuclear weapons, 416 00:30:07,119 --> 00:30:12,680 whereas Putin has restrained himself from doing and so forth. So we don't know 417 00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:15,480 the potential consequences. Then, of course, if things really come apart. 418 00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:19,920 I mean, who knows, you know, maybe a balkanization similar to what 419 00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:25,359 happened when the Soviet Union dissolved the first time, when the Soviet Union came 420 00:30:25,359 --> 00:30:32,799 apart. And but but we don't know. But but but then again, 421 00:30:32,799 --> 00:30:36,799 who knows. Maybe Progosian would be better because maybe you know, Progosian and 422 00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:41,039 I think this is part of why people some people might have been cheering for 423 00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:45,079 him. Progosian did say, you know, he started pointing out that look, 424 00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:51,079 you know, this war, Russia going into Ukraine and invading Ukraine, 425 00:30:51,119 --> 00:30:55,480 it's based on lies. They're lying to you. Now, he was very 426 00:30:55,559 --> 00:31:03,400 careful though, like he takes umbridge with Shogu the or shoigu Shogu or sho 427 00:31:03,599 --> 00:31:07,200 I think is shoigu Ministry of Defense. I think is a title minister of 428 00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:11,880 defense, kind of like a secretary of defense or secretary of state. Here 429 00:31:15,039 --> 00:31:18,839 he took issue with him and one of the big generals, I forget his 430 00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:22,119 name starts with an M. I think, but avoided directly attacking Vladimir Putin. 431 00:31:22,559 --> 00:31:26,119 But what he did say, is what he started saying, was, 432 00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:29,599 look, they lied to you, and this war is based on lies. 433 00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:33,200 This invasion is based on lies and they shouldn't have done it, and we 434 00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:37,640 want the truth, and that's why we're going to Moscow. So would Progosion 435 00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:44,960 have if the coup had been successful, which he denies that the coup was 436 00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:48,039 ever even in the offing to begin with, But who knows? So if 437 00:31:48,079 --> 00:31:52,480 a coup had been successful and he had taken over installed himself, because there's 438 00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:56,920 no it's not like this some sort of succession plan in Russia. You know, 439 00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:00,920 Putin's been in power for twenty three years in some form or fashion. 440 00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:05,200 And I say it that way because sometimes he's president, sometimes he's prime minister. 441 00:32:06,079 --> 00:32:07,799 You know, there was one point where he'd been president for a while, 442 00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:12,759 but then there were term limits, so then he made himself prime minister 443 00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:17,319 to let Medvedev be president. But Putin was obviously really in control, or 444 00:32:17,359 --> 00:32:21,400 maybe it's even the other way around. It gets confusing, but Putin makes 445 00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:23,200 sure that he's always the guy at the top, and has for more than 446 00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:30,759 two decades now. But would Progosian have gotten in there and said that's it, 447 00:32:30,799 --> 00:32:36,160 We're ending this war. Maybe who knows, but we should be very 448 00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:42,319 clear about who Avegni Progosian is, of course ahead of the Wagner group, 449 00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:47,200 a criminal and a butcher, not a good guy, and nobody should be 450 00:32:47,279 --> 00:32:52,839 cheering for him, and I suppose nobody should be cheering him on. So 451 00:32:52,119 --> 00:32:58,240 maybe I was wrong to even ever have those fantasies about something terrible happening of 452 00:32:58,319 --> 00:33:01,799 Ladimir Putin under these circumstances. But you know, um, but who could 453 00:33:01,839 --> 00:33:07,759 blame me? I mean, you know that the man is responsible for so 454 00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:14,000 much death and misery, and uh, you know, if if there is 455 00:33:14,039 --> 00:33:16,319 a hell, I would hope that there's a special corner there for him. 456 00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:22,200 But um, but but we don't know. We don't know what what the 457 00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:24,680 result of that would have been. By the way, it is probably very 458 00:33:24,759 --> 00:33:28,920 unlikely, and this may have a lot to do with why Progosion turned around 459 00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:34,920 when he did. Probably very unlikely that they would have been successful when they 460 00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:37,599 had gotten to Moscow anyway, I mean, I think, uh, you 461 00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:40,319 know, they had something like, I mean, tens of thousands of troops 462 00:33:40,319 --> 00:33:45,319 in that column, I think, but it wouldn't have been enough to overcome 463 00:33:45,359 --> 00:33:50,839 the army in Moscow. So Putin would have put down that rebellion. Probably 464 00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:55,319 he would have been successful but at what cost? Meanwhile, at what cost 465 00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:02,000 was making that deal with progosion? Put appears to be weakened in terms of 466 00:34:02,039 --> 00:34:07,920 his power and his grip on power in Russia. How weaken dizzy? I 467 00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:14,360 don't know. I'm a little bit concerned that some people in the media people, 468 00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:16,440 as they're analyzing this, I'm a little bit concerned that some people might 469 00:34:16,519 --> 00:34:23,880 be over overestimating the degree to which Putin has been weakened and humiliated and so 470 00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:30,119 forth, because at the end of the day, he is still in power, 471 00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:32,760 and he was able to stop this coup before it really got going. 472 00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:45,559 So I don't know. I mean, one would hope that you would see 473 00:34:45,559 --> 00:34:53,239 and hear more and more people within Russia really kind of rebelling against Putin and 474 00:34:53,559 --> 00:35:00,440 you would hope that what has happened now damages the way people view Putin on 475 00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:06,599 the global stage. So for example, China, does Ji jing Ping start 476 00:35:06,639 --> 00:35:12,199 to look at Vladimir Putin and say, ah, he's not in as strong 477 00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:15,440 a position as I thought he was, So maybe I want to back off 478 00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:19,639 a little bit. You know, they have that they have a relationship where 479 00:35:19,639 --> 00:35:22,000 they said they were remember when they got together. It I forget what some 480 00:35:22,159 --> 00:35:27,800 of it was, and they said, this no limits to the degree to 481 00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:30,760 which they will cooperate with each other and work together and have this alliance. 482 00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:36,559 And by the way, it turned out, thankfully that there have been limits 483 00:35:36,599 --> 00:35:38,760 to that, because Putin did at one point or probably more than once, 484 00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:44,920 went to Jijingping hat in hand and said, will you please start providing us 485 00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:52,760 with weapons because we're running out and China thus far has not granted that particular 486 00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:54,920 request. So that turns out there are some limitations. There might be more 487 00:35:54,960 --> 00:36:00,360 limitations now going forward. So does Jijing Ping start to reava evaluate how cozy 488 00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:09,239 he's gotten with Russia? Um? Modi was here from India. Modi, 489 00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:15,159 by the way, also not a good guy. Uh, And it's it's 490 00:36:15,519 --> 00:36:22,679 wild to see people in the United States cheering for him. Um. I 491 00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:29,639 mean, there are worse leaders than Modi, like Vladimir Putin and ji Jingping. 492 00:36:30,199 --> 00:36:35,599 But Modi's record on human rights isn't great either, and we should not 493 00:36:35,639 --> 00:36:40,880 forget that when we when you know, when we're discussing him, I mean 494 00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:46,440 to you know, he goes to speak before Congress, and the way they're 495 00:36:46,519 --> 00:36:51,960 cheering for him, I understand the pragmatism involved in that you know, we 496 00:36:52,039 --> 00:36:54,360 need India and they need us, and just like with China, we need 497 00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:59,519 China and they need us. I get it to a degree, but jeez, 498 00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:04,639 tone it down a little bit, huh. Anyway, I don't want 499 00:37:04,639 --> 00:37:08,079 to get sidetracked. But the point is, does what happened this weekend begin 500 00:37:08,159 --> 00:37:14,599 to weaken Putin's position on the world stage. I'm not sure that it does 501 00:37:14,639 --> 00:37:22,000 as much as a lot of people think that it does. But I hope 502 00:37:22,639 --> 00:37:25,679 that it does as much as people think that it does. But again, 503 00:37:27,679 --> 00:37:34,079 there are the unknowns. If something happens to Putin, what happens then you 504 00:37:34,159 --> 00:37:39,360 know, honestly, if Russia didn't have an enormous armament of nuclear weapons, 505 00:37:40,039 --> 00:37:45,960 wouldn't care nearly as much. But he does, so we have to worry. 506 00:37:49,639 --> 00:37:52,719 Miriam Banish in the chat Room says, weakening him can make him more 507 00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:58,079 dangerous. He might start making panicked decisions that would suck for all of us. 508 00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:01,039 That is an excellent point, am, Absolutely, that is an excellent 509 00:38:01,079 --> 00:38:07,920 point. Alex Whiteley says, Russia are getting served on toast by Ukraine right 510 00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:12,079 now. Putin bit off more than he could chew. And yes, this 511 00:38:12,119 --> 00:38:16,400 war needs to end right now, well, of course, unfortunately, I 512 00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:22,599 don't think that's going to happen. But but it's about to get a lot 513 00:38:22,639 --> 00:38:30,199 tougher for Vladimir Putin. Oh, easy, Jesus sent me something. Oh 514 00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:37,079 yes, Putin did. Uh, let's see now Putin did. Finally, 515 00:38:37,679 --> 00:38:38,960 by the way, last I knew. Now I don't know if this is 516 00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:45,440 still the case at this moment, but last I knew. No one was 517 00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:50,920 exactly sure where Vladimir Putin was or is. I mean he he did make 518 00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:54,440 an address to the nation, and we will look at this. Easyg sent 519 00:38:54,519 --> 00:38:58,800 this, Thank you Eric. He did make an address, but that doesn't 520 00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:00,519 mean he's necessarily at the Kremlin. And that was the other thing too. 521 00:39:00,519 --> 00:39:06,360 Over the way, so and by the way, where is um where is 522 00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:12,760 progosion? I think he kind of uh put his hand up today and said, 523 00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:15,719 oh, I'm in Minsk. I'm fine, I'm in Minsk, Belarus. 524 00:39:16,559 --> 00:39:20,639 I'm gonna make sure I don't go to the second floor of any buildings, 525 00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:22,360 you know, because apparently that's how Putin likes to kill people. He 526 00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:25,639 likes to have them shoved out of windows. I mean he also likes to 527 00:39:25,679 --> 00:39:31,159 poison them. Alexei Alexey navalni can tell you that. But but apparently there's 528 00:39:32,519 --> 00:39:38,559 one of his favorite modus operendi is to have his opponents pushed out of windows. 529 00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:45,920 But but we don't know that, We don't know who is actually where. 530 00:39:46,679 --> 00:39:50,159 They can tell us where they are, but are they really there? 531 00:39:50,679 --> 00:39:54,880 So let's actually let's look at this. So Eric sent us this from euronews 532 00:39:54,920 --> 00:40:00,360 dot com and is addressed to the nation. Russian President Vladimir Putin condemned what 533 00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:07,840 he called the criminal actions of those who staged an armed mutiny. Russian President 534 00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:19,239 Vladimir Putin thanked the nation today for unity after an armed I'm laughing because as 535 00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:22,440 I read that, when I hear him thanking the nation for unity, the 536 00:40:22,559 --> 00:40:27,079 first thing that pops into my mind, and this is probably true for some 537 00:40:27,119 --> 00:40:30,079 of you as well. The first thing that pops into my mind is the 538 00:40:30,119 --> 00:40:37,800 mental image of Progosion being cheered and people taking selfies with him, and people 539 00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:43,000 applauding him as he was about to be whisked away to Minsk, Belarus. 540 00:40:43,079 --> 00:40:49,639 I like saying that Minsk. So I don't know about the unity. I 541 00:40:49,679 --> 00:40:52,760 think he's I think that's some wishful thinking. I understand he's gonna he's gonna 542 00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:55,840 put on a brave face and try to put a put a positive spin on 543 00:40:55,960 --> 00:41:00,679 things. But anyway, I'm sorry, I just I couldn't get out of 544 00:41:00,679 --> 00:41:05,480 that. I couldn't even get through that sentence without laughing and thinking of you 545 00:41:05,559 --> 00:41:12,639 know, people treating progosion like he's some sort of hero. And Putin's talking 546 00:41:12,679 --> 00:41:15,440 about unity anyway, all right back to it. Russian President of Vladimir Putin 547 00:41:15,519 --> 00:41:20,199 thanct the nation for unity after an armed rebellion over the weekend was aboarded less 548 00:41:20,199 --> 00:41:22,760 than twenty four hours after it began. Earlier in the day, the mercenary 549 00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:31,000 chief defended his short lived insurrection in a boastful statement in his first appearance since 550 00:41:31,039 --> 00:41:36,159 the rebellion ended. Putin also thanked most of the mercenaries for not letting the 551 00:41:36,199 --> 00:41:42,400 situation deteriorate into bloodshed. He said, all the necessary measures have been taken 552 00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:49,400 to protect the country and the people from the rebellion. Wait, am I 553 00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:54,079 understanding this correctly? He thanked most of the mercenaries for not letting the situation 554 00:41:54,159 --> 00:42:01,079 deteriorate in the bloodshed. This is not typical Putin usually, you know vintage 555 00:42:01,119 --> 00:42:08,719 Putin is you crossed me? Or you dared to almost cross me, or 556 00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:14,559 you dared threatened across me, or you dared even allowed the faintest thought or 557 00:42:14,639 --> 00:42:19,800 idea enter your mind to cross me. So now you must die. That's 558 00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:22,239 you know, you won't know it's coming, you won't see it's coming. 559 00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:24,159 But now I'm going to kill you. That's what Putin usually does. He 560 00:42:24,199 --> 00:42:32,920 doesn't usually thank people for not taking things too far. That's very conciliatory on 561 00:42:34,039 --> 00:42:39,480 Vladimir Putin's part, which makes me suspect that either he's terrified that those same 562 00:42:39,559 --> 00:42:44,960 mercenaries will rise again, whether progosions around or not, which is probably unlikely, 563 00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:51,039 or he's trying to sweet talk them into signing up with the Russian military, 564 00:42:51,119 --> 00:42:55,360 because that was apparently part of the deal. The Wagner group mercenaries who 565 00:42:55,360 --> 00:43:01,320 were in that column marching toward Moscow. They will not be prosecuted, they 566 00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:07,079 will not be charged if they simply agree to sign contracts with the Russian military 567 00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:13,960 and go fight with those clowns and go back in the Ukraine and walk into 568 00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:22,000 the meat grinder that the Russian military walks you into. So I don't know, 569 00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:27,679 or or he's just trying to lull them into a false sense of security 570 00:43:28,159 --> 00:43:31,079 where they will think, oh, we're safe. He's thanking us, he 571 00:43:31,119 --> 00:43:36,519 appreciates us. We didn't let things get too out of control. That's wonderful. 572 00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:37,920 And then he, you know, will kill them. I don't know 573 00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:47,480 anyway, so he thanked them. He blamed quote Russia's enemies and said they 574 00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:52,000 miscalculated. Now this is um, Yeah, this is part of the spin 575 00:43:52,079 --> 00:43:57,920 and by the way, completely predictable. So he wants to spin it as 576 00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:06,199 the United States and the rest of NATO they did this, which obviously he 577 00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:09,760 knows his bs and obviously everyone else knows his BS. But that's what he's 578 00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:13,920 going to try to spin this as. Because from the beginning he's tried to 579 00:44:14,039 --> 00:44:19,400 you know, from the moment that the United States and others began supporting the 580 00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:22,440 rest of NATO began supporting Ukraine in this war, Putin has tried to spin 581 00:44:22,519 --> 00:44:27,320 it as we're not at war with Ukraine, where at war with NATO. 582 00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:30,880 Where at war with the West, and Ukraine is a part of that now, 583 00:44:31,199 --> 00:44:37,320 or they're trying to be that's who we're really at war with. The 584 00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:44,119 Kremlin also tried to project stability today when authorities released a video of Russia's defense 585 00:44:44,159 --> 00:44:52,599 minister reviewing troops in Ukraine. Okay, Yuvegni Progosian, the head of the 586 00:44:52,679 --> 00:44:59,559 Mercenary Group, said he wasn't seeking to stage a coup, but was acting 587 00:44:59,599 --> 00:45:05,880 to p event the destruction of Wagner, his private military company. He said 588 00:45:06,079 --> 00:45:10,320 in an eleven minute statement, giving no details about where he was or what 589 00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:15,480 his plans were. Quote, we started our march because of an injustice unquote. 590 00:45:17,599 --> 00:45:23,679 Okay, what does that mean? Actually, he had said, even 591 00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:29,480 when this began on Friday night, he said, this isn't a coup where 592 00:45:29,519 --> 00:45:36,280 on some sort of we're seeking truth or justice or something. And it seemed 593 00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:43,079 to be in regard to him blaming the Russian military for killing some of his 594 00:45:43,199 --> 00:45:46,119 guys and an airstrike and you know, fog of war type stuff. I 595 00:45:46,159 --> 00:45:51,760 guess, I don't know. I don't know. There's so much of this, 596 00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:54,280 it is so bizarre. Hello to Mike from Queen City Cabinetry, who 597 00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:58,880 joins us in the Facebook live chat. Also Archer Flight, who says we 598 00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:07,159 are watching you from Greensboro, North Carolina. The feud between the Wagner Group 599 00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:13,639 leader in Russia's military brass is festered throughout the war, erupting into a mutiny 600 00:46:13,679 --> 00:46:17,920 over the weekend when mercenaries left Ukraine to see a military headquarters in a southern 601 00:46:19,079 --> 00:46:25,760 Russian city. They rolled seemingly unopposed for hundreds of miles toward Moscow before turning 602 00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:32,199 around after less than twenty four hours. On Saturday, the Kremlin said it 603 00:46:32,239 --> 00:46:37,599 had made a deal for Progosion to move to Belarus and receive amnesty along with 604 00:46:37,639 --> 00:46:43,280 his soldiers. There was no confirmation of his whereabouts today, although a popular 605 00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:46,719 Russian news channel on telegram reported that he was at a hotel in the Belarusian 606 00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:51,880 capital of Minsk. By the way, funny thing about that, apparently the 607 00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:54,960 hotel that he's alleged to be at, So I guess we do know where 608 00:46:54,960 --> 00:47:00,960 he is, assuming that that's true, the hotel that he's at has no 609 00:47:00,039 --> 00:47:05,159 windows, or at least a part of the hotel that he's in, and 610 00:47:05,199 --> 00:47:14,159 that's not a coincidence. Again, Putin likes having people pushed out of windows 611 00:47:14,159 --> 00:47:20,039 if you cross him, so smart, and that guy should not Progosian should 612 00:47:20,079 --> 00:47:22,880 not leave the bottom floor of any building. He should always remain on the 613 00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:30,840 ground floor. Progosian taunted Russia's military today, calling his march a master class 614 00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:35,840 on how it should have carried out February twenty twenty two invasion of Ukraine. 615 00:47:36,079 --> 00:47:40,400 He also mocked the military for failing to protect Russia, pointing out security breachers 616 00:47:40,559 --> 00:47:45,920 that allowed Wagner to march seven hundred eighty kilometers towards Moscow without facing resistance. 617 00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:53,800 The bullish statement made no clearer what would ultimately happen to Progosian and his forces 618 00:47:54,239 --> 00:48:04,920 under the deal purportedly brokered by Belarusan President Alexander Lukashenka. Progosian said only that 619 00:48:05,039 --> 00:48:12,039 Lukashenko quote proposed finding solutions for the Wagner private military company to continue its work 620 00:48:12,039 --> 00:48:16,639 in a lawful jurisdiction unquote that suggested Progosian might keep his military force, although 621 00:48:16,639 --> 00:48:22,440 it wasn't immediately clear which jurisdiction he was referring to. And by the way, 622 00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:24,239 that might be what keeps Progosian alive. See, if it were anybody 623 00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:30,639 else, you would know their days were probably numbered. Because again, what 624 00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:35,280 Putin does to his political enemies, to anyone who daris cross him as he 625 00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:42,320 kills them. In the case of progosion, though you're talking about somebody who 626 00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:47,960 has this very large private military who might just come and kill you if you 627 00:48:49,039 --> 00:48:52,679 kill their leader. So it's not quite as simple. In other words, 628 00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:55,599 trying to get Progosian is not as quite as simple as say, poisoning Alexey. 629 00:48:57,840 --> 00:49:02,719 I can never say his name navalni Okay, the independent Russian news outlet. 630 00:49:07,679 --> 00:49:08,880 Let me rephrase, because I have no idea how to pronounce that. 631 00:49:09,199 --> 00:49:15,119 A an independent a Russian news outlet claimed, so I don't have to say 632 00:49:15,159 --> 00:49:19,159 the name. Claimed the construction of a field camp for up to eight thousand 633 00:49:19,199 --> 00:49:23,400 Wagner troops was underway in an area of Belarus about two hundred kilometers north of 634 00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:30,360 the border with Ukraine. The report could not be independently verified the Belarusian military 635 00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:34,599 or Belarussian I hear, I hear it pronounced both ways. Yeah, we'll 636 00:49:34,639 --> 00:49:42,159 go with Belarussian military. It's easier to say monitoring group, A money monitoring 637 00:49:42,199 --> 00:49:45,039 group. I have no idea how to say that said today on telegram that 638 00:49:45,079 --> 00:49:50,360 it had seen no activity in that district consistent with construction of a facility, 639 00:49:50,599 --> 00:49:55,440 and had no indications of Wagner convoys in or moving toward Belarus. Though the 640 00:49:55,519 --> 00:50:01,199 mutiny was brief, it was not bloodless. Russia media reported that several military 641 00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:07,760 helicopters and a communications plane were shot down by Wagner forces, killing at least 642 00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:12,840 fifteen I didn't realize that. Actually Progosian expressed regret for attacking the aircraft, 643 00:50:13,199 --> 00:50:16,920 but said they were bombing his convoys. Ah, yes, okay, that 644 00:50:17,079 --> 00:50:21,719 goes back to he was he claimed that they were Yeah, that they were 645 00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:25,960 bombing his convoys. Russian media reported that a criminal case against Progosian has not 646 00:50:27,159 --> 00:50:31,400 been closed despite earlier Kremlin's statements, and some Russian lawmakers called for his head. 647 00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:38,079 Andre Gerulev, a retired general and current lawmaker who has had roused with 648 00:50:38,199 --> 00:50:45,760 the mercenary leader, said Progosian and his right hand manned Dmitri Utkin deserve quote 649 00:50:45,039 --> 00:50:55,360 a bullet in the head unquote. That is very um blunt. And Nikita 650 00:50:55,679 --> 00:51:01,760 your Refev, a city council member in Saint Petersburg, said he filed an 651 00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:08,199 official request with Russia's Prosecutor General's office and the Federal Security Service or FSB, 652 00:51:10,119 --> 00:51:15,199 asking who would be punished for the rebellion, given that Russian President Vladimir Putin 653 00:51:15,239 --> 00:51:20,519 vowed in a Saturday morning address to punish those behind it. It was unclear 654 00:51:20,559 --> 00:51:24,599 what resources Progosian can drawn and how much of his substantial wealth he can access. 655 00:51:25,039 --> 00:51:30,840 Police searching the Saint Petersburg office and the rebellion found four billion rubles in 656 00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:37,719 trucks outside the building, according to Russian media reports confirmed by the Wagner boss. 657 00:51:37,079 --> 00:51:40,480 He said the money was intended to pay his soldiers families. Russian media 658 00:51:40,559 --> 00:51:45,079 reported that Wagner offices and several cities had reopened on Monday, and the company 659 00:51:45,079 --> 00:51:51,360 had resumed enlisting recruits. See I have to remember Wagner. You know they 660 00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:53,239 operated in other parts of the world, like in Africa. They have a 661 00:51:53,280 --> 00:52:00,960 large operation there. Part of how Progosian makes his money is, you know, 662 00:52:01,039 --> 00:52:07,119 they steal. They steal from these countries in Africa, they mining operations 663 00:52:07,159 --> 00:52:13,119 and so forth. In a return to at least superficial normality, Moscow's mayor 664 00:52:13,159 --> 00:52:19,199 announce an end to the counter terrorism regime imposed on the capitol Saturday, when 665 00:52:19,199 --> 00:52:22,000 troops and armored vehicles set up checkpoints on the outskirts and authorities tore up roads 666 00:52:22,159 --> 00:52:27,840 leading into the city. The Defense Minister published a video of a defense chief 667 00:52:28,039 --> 00:52:32,079 Sergei Shoigu in a helicopter and then meeting with officers at a military headquarters in 668 00:52:32,159 --> 00:52:36,119 Ukraine. It was unclear when the video was shot. It came as Russian 669 00:52:36,159 --> 00:52:39,920 media speculated that Shoigu and other military leaders have lost Putin's confidence and could be 670 00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:47,119 replaced. Before the uprising, Progosian had blasted Shoigu and General Staff Chief General 671 00:52:47,320 --> 00:52:53,880 Valerie garassimof with expletive written insults for months, accusing them of failing to provide 672 00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:58,760 his troops with enough ammunition during the fight for the Ukrainian town of Bachmut, 673 00:52:59,199 --> 00:53:05,440 the war's long and bloodiest battle. Progosian statement appeared to confirm analysts view that 674 00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:09,440 the revolt was a desperate move to save Wagner from being dismantled after an order 675 00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:15,360 that all private military companies signed contracts with the Defense Ministry by July one. 676 00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:22,559 That part of it I did not realize. Interesting, because I've been trying 677 00:53:22,559 --> 00:53:27,360 to understand why, why would Progosian do this to begin with, He's essentially 678 00:53:28,639 --> 00:53:32,599 now as a price on his head, you know, presumably he's got to 679 00:53:32,639 --> 00:53:38,519 be in terrible danger. Progosian said, most of his fighters refused to come 680 00:53:38,599 --> 00:53:43,599 under the Defense Ministry's command and the force plan to hand over the military equipment 681 00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:46,400 was using in Ukraine. On June thirtieth, after pulling out of Ukraine and 682 00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:52,840 gathering in the southern city of oh This is the name of the city I 683 00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:59,159 was trying to remember earlier, Rostov, Rostov on Don, Rostov on Don. 684 00:54:00,719 --> 00:54:05,159 That's the city that they took over without they claim, Progosian claims, 685 00:54:05,159 --> 00:54:10,000 without firing a single shot. He accused the Defense Ministry of attacking Wagner's camp, 686 00:54:10,039 --> 00:54:15,679 prompting them to move sooner. Russian political A Russian political analyst said on 687 00:54:15,719 --> 00:54:20,360 Twitter, Actually, I might be able to say this. Tatiana stanta Vaya 688 00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:25,599 said on Twitter the Progosian's mutiny quote wasn't a bid for power or an attempt 689 00:54:25,599 --> 00:54:30,760 to overtake the Kremlin unquote, but a desperate move amid his escalating rift with 690 00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:35,000 the military leadership. While Progosian could get out of the crisis alive, he 691 00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:38,639 doesn't have a political future in Russia under Putin. It was unclear what the 692 00:54:38,639 --> 00:54:43,239 fissures opened by the twenty four hour rebellion would mean for the war in Ukraine, 693 00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:47,039 where Western officials say Russia's troops suffer low morale. Wogner's forces were key 694 00:54:47,079 --> 00:54:52,039 to Russia's only land victory in months in bach Mute. The UK Ministry of 695 00:54:52,119 --> 00:54:58,880 Defense said today and Ukraine had that Ukraine had gained impetus in its push around 696 00:54:59,679 --> 00:55:01,880 bak Moot making progress North. Okay, we're getting into the little bit into 697 00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:06,639 the weeds here. But but but there is more. There is more to 698 00:55:06,639 --> 00:55:07,800 dig into here. Like I said, there's quite a few layers. But 699 00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:13,119 we are we are well past the top of the hour. So let's do 700 00:55:13,199 --> 00:55:59,320 this. Let's take a break. Welcome back, everybody is we proceed into 701 00:55:59,360 --> 00:56:04,320 our final set today on Matt Connerton Unleashed. 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I'm on social media at Matt Connerton. 711 00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:49,599 You can email me Matt at Matt Connerton dot com, and of course 712 00:56:49,639 --> 00:56:53,000 you can interact end O Pine in the Facebook live chat. But the best 713 00:56:53,039 --> 00:56:57,760 thing to do so that we can hear and enjoy your dulcet tones is to 714 00:56:57,760 --> 00:57:02,079 give us a call at six o three two five six seven six two five 715 00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:08,159 six seven. UM. Of course we've been talking about today the big big 716 00:57:08,199 --> 00:57:15,760 news over the weekend, UH, the UH the coup attempt, although Progosian 717 00:57:15,880 --> 00:57:21,119 says it was not a coup, not a coup and it certainly didn't didn't 718 00:57:21,159 --> 00:57:25,079 get very far, but quite the news coming out of Russia over the weekend, 719 00:57:25,159 --> 00:57:31,320 and it will be fascinating to see what happens from here. UM. 720 00:57:35,119 --> 00:57:42,039 Obviously, you know, the Ukrainians were We're very happy to see this, 721 00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:46,159 and I think that they would have been happiest if there had in fact been 722 00:57:46,199 --> 00:57:52,119 fighting on the streets of Moscow. The Wagner Group versus UH the Russian military 723 00:57:52,199 --> 00:57:54,880 there, but they would have been happy to see that. But the truth 724 00:57:55,000 --> 00:58:02,000 is, um, you know, if you take the Wagner group, if 725 00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:07,239 the Wagner Group is no longer in the fight than the Ukrainians already, I 726 00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:13,079 mean, this is a big victory for them, because going forward, if 727 00:58:13,119 --> 00:58:19,639 the Ukrainians are having to fight trying to fend off the largely incompetent, undertrained, 728 00:58:19,679 --> 00:58:25,760 inexperienced Russian military, I mean, they've really underperformed people. I remember, 729 00:58:25,880 --> 00:58:32,639 very early in this conflict, when Russia first went in and began to 730 00:58:32,679 --> 00:58:42,719 invade Ukraine, people were pretty surprised at the apparent and competence of the Russian 731 00:58:42,719 --> 00:58:45,679 military. They did not seem to be performing up to the standard that one 732 00:58:45,719 --> 00:58:49,519 would have expected, which is a good thing, right and you know, 733 00:58:49,519 --> 00:58:51,920 and it helps that the Ukrainians were willing to put up a hell of a 734 00:58:51,960 --> 00:58:57,119 fight and that we were helping them, aiding them with weapons and so forth. 735 00:59:00,119 --> 00:59:06,159 But now what happens now that you take the Wagner group out because you 736 00:59:06,199 --> 00:59:09,360 had a the reason that Putin wanted the Wagner Group in there helping to fight 737 00:59:09,559 --> 00:59:14,679 is that not only are they ruthless, you know, the Wagner group. 738 00:59:15,360 --> 00:59:20,280 These are mercenaries who I think most of them, if if I understand correctly, 739 00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:27,119 are criminals there that you know they were in prison and you know someone 740 00:59:27,159 --> 00:59:30,599 comes along and says, hey, you can get out of prison, but 741 00:59:30,039 --> 00:59:34,159 you know you can. You can go with us and fight and you might 742 00:59:34,280 --> 00:59:39,840 very well die in battle. But if you're lucky enough to live your record, 743 00:59:39,920 --> 00:59:45,280 your criminal record will be expunged and you can have a life again. 744 00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:52,960 And so people take that deal and they go and uh Progosion as a commander 745 00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:58,480 seems to know what he's doing because they had a lot of success m but 746 00:59:58,639 --> 01:00:02,519 the gains that the Usan military was able to make, however, in most 747 01:00:02,519 --> 01:00:07,639 cases temporary. They might be like taking bach Moot for example, that was 748 01:00:07,719 --> 01:00:10,960 the Wagner group. That wasn't the Russian military. That was a Wagner group 749 01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:14,519 who was able to do that. So now you take them out of the 750 01:00:14,559 --> 01:00:19,719 equation and what do you have. You just have an incompetent Russian military to 751 01:00:19,719 --> 01:00:22,320 deal with. So it's definitely a win for Ukraine. I mean again, 752 01:00:22,440 --> 01:00:28,159 I'm sure if you're sitting in Ukraine and you see what's happening in Russia and 753 01:00:28,199 --> 01:00:30,280 you see the Wagner group marching towards Moscow. You know, you're you're pulling 754 01:00:30,320 --> 01:00:35,599 out the popcorn and you're having a good time watching this. There was somebody 755 01:00:35,639 --> 01:00:40,960 who actually I think somebody in Zelenski's administration who even posted a picture of himself 756 01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:47,280 eating popcorn and watching what was happening or something like that. But but you 757 01:00:47,320 --> 01:00:54,400 take the Wagner Group out of it, and you know this. I mean, 758 01:00:54,440 --> 01:00:59,360 I'm not saying that now Ukraine will be able to successfully kick Russia out. 759 01:00:59,559 --> 01:01:01,639 I think this war is going to grind on no matter what. But 760 01:01:01,800 --> 01:01:07,199 it just got a lot tougher for Vladimir Putin. But the other thing is 761 01:01:07,239 --> 01:01:13,000 too. Not only has the Russian military been shown to be largely incompetent, 762 01:01:13,079 --> 01:01:17,480 but morale. How much lower is morale going to get? See? I 763 01:01:17,559 --> 01:01:22,599 wonder, I wonder how much of this filters down, how much of what's 764 01:01:22,639 --> 01:01:24,239 going on Because we live in a world where, you know, you have 765 01:01:24,280 --> 01:01:30,199 the Internet, and I realize that in some places the Internet is restricted somewhat, 766 01:01:30,239 --> 01:01:37,239 so you can't necessarily access all the same information and data in Russia, 767 01:01:37,440 --> 01:01:43,000 or in China or in a run or many other places that you can in 768 01:01:43,039 --> 01:01:47,440 the United states and in NATO countries and so forth. Right, you know, 769 01:01:47,679 --> 01:01:58,000 government's control as best they can what information filters down to their citizens, 770 01:01:58,039 --> 01:02:00,400 but you can't control all of it. You can't block all of it. 771 01:02:01,000 --> 01:02:06,480 And there are apps that are used, like I guess telegram is very popular 772 01:02:06,519 --> 01:02:10,400 in Russia, the telegram app, because you can communicate with that and they 773 01:02:10,440 --> 01:02:15,559 can't. They can't keep you from communicating with it. So how much of 774 01:02:15,599 --> 01:02:23,079 this is filtering down? Two? These conscripts. Remember many of these people, 775 01:02:23,719 --> 01:02:28,719 maybe most, I don't know the numbers of these individuals that are fighting 776 01:02:28,719 --> 01:02:31,920 in the Russian military. They were drafted, they're not even volunteer army. 777 01:02:31,960 --> 01:02:36,679 And of course we know many of them who even were volunteer army. They 778 01:02:36,719 --> 01:02:42,159 were told, you know, before the conscription started, before the invasion of 779 01:02:42,280 --> 01:02:45,159 Ukraine started, they were told, yeah, we're just going on a training 780 01:02:45,239 --> 01:02:47,719 exercise. Oh yeah, we're gonna go We're gonna go to the border. 781 01:02:47,760 --> 01:02:52,400 We're gonna go to the border of Russia and Ukraine. But it's just a 782 01:02:52,519 --> 01:02:55,719 it's an exercise. It's a training exercise, that's all. And then next 783 01:02:55,760 --> 01:03:00,599 thing you know, they're going in and they're invading. It's no secret that 784 01:03:00,920 --> 01:03:07,519 they were lied to. So what does it do to the morale? Because 785 01:03:08,280 --> 01:03:13,239 if you want to have your military be successful in any kind of an operation, 786 01:03:13,320 --> 01:03:16,159 you want them to feel good about what they're doing in some way, 787 01:03:16,280 --> 01:03:21,159 right. I mean, it's probably impossible for most people, unless you know, 788 01:03:21,199 --> 01:03:24,719 you're a total psychopath, to actually feel good about going and killing people 789 01:03:24,840 --> 01:03:30,679 people who, in this case, people who aren't much different from you, 790 01:03:30,840 --> 01:03:35,119 people who look like you, who speak the same language, you know, 791 01:03:35,880 --> 01:03:44,199 people who you might even know. But you want them to be motivated, 792 01:03:44,320 --> 01:03:49,760 right, Well, what is what is something like this to if morale is 793 01:03:49,800 --> 01:03:53,880 already low? Because first they were told what's just a trading exercise, and 794 01:03:53,920 --> 01:03:59,480 then it turned out to be a full scale invasion, and then I'm sure 795 01:03:59,559 --> 01:04:02,639 they were old by their commanders well okay, yeah, whoops, Yeah, 796 01:04:02,639 --> 01:04:06,440 it's a full scale invasion. But don't worry, we're just taking Ukraine. 797 01:04:06,920 --> 01:04:12,079 We're much more powerful, we'll overrun them. It's gonna be great. Then 798 01:04:12,119 --> 01:04:16,159 it turns out not to be so great because Ukrainians fight back. They're not 799 01:04:16,199 --> 01:04:20,840 just going to roll over and die for you. And you know, over 800 01:04:20,880 --> 01:04:25,840 the course of this season, what has it been now it's been, has 801 01:04:25,880 --> 01:04:30,360 it been a year and a half. No, not quite right, I 802 01:04:30,400 --> 01:04:32,719 think it's been. Has it been a I'm not good at math. That's 803 01:04:32,719 --> 01:04:38,760 been almost it's approaching a year and a half. So we've all heard the 804 01:04:38,840 --> 01:04:46,280 stories and seeing the stories about supply line issues in terms of getting ammunition to 805 01:04:46,360 --> 01:04:56,800 the troops, getting food to the troops, getting military equipment that works properly, 806 01:04:57,480 --> 01:05:00,280 functions correctly, all of this. So all of that us to take 807 01:05:00,360 --> 01:05:05,719 a take a terrible toll on morale. And then and then on top of 808 01:05:05,760 --> 01:05:12,280 all of that, here you are fighting in the Russian military for a cause 809 01:05:12,320 --> 01:05:15,639 that you're probably not too enthusiastic about to begin with, or maybe even feel 810 01:05:15,719 --> 01:05:18,760 terribly about. You're just trying to get through it. And then you start 811 01:05:18,800 --> 01:05:27,039 hearing about the Wagner Group marching towards Moscow, and you start hearing about how 812 01:05:28,679 --> 01:05:31,639 how Progosian has been saying, you know, the guy running the Wagner group 813 01:05:31,679 --> 01:05:36,119 from the beginning that well, and then recently saying it pretty loudly that you 814 01:05:36,119 --> 01:05:41,639 know, you've all been lied to, and this is just those in control 815 01:05:41,679 --> 01:05:45,960 of the military and Russia trying to line their own pockets. They're just doing 816 01:05:45,960 --> 01:05:49,559 it for themselves and their own enrichment. They don't actually even care that much 817 01:05:49,559 --> 01:05:56,280 about Ukraine. It's all a scam boy, that's all got a way on 818 01:05:56,400 --> 01:06:04,800 you, right. So so this is all very good for Ukraine because you've 819 01:06:04,800 --> 01:06:08,880 got an incompetent Russian military to begin with. It couldn't get it done on 820 01:06:08,920 --> 01:06:11,519 their own, so they needed the Wagner Group. And now the Wagner Group 821 01:06:11,559 --> 01:06:16,639 is going away. And oh and bonus. Now if you're in the Russian 822 01:06:16,679 --> 01:06:23,079 military, some of your new fellow soldiers will actually be from the Wagner Group 823 01:06:23,679 --> 01:06:29,800 because they either have to agree to sign up to be part of the actual 824 01:06:29,880 --> 01:06:32,760 Russian military or they might get sent back to prison. I say back to 825 01:06:32,800 --> 01:06:36,440 prison because a lot of these people are convicts to begin with, and they 826 01:06:36,480 --> 01:06:42,159 got out of prison by a green to fight for the Wagner Group. Well, 827 01:06:42,199 --> 01:06:46,360 now these people are going to be fighting alongside you, and they are 828 01:06:46,599 --> 01:06:53,519 vicious. The Wagner Group is known for being quite vicious butchers. You don't 829 01:06:53,519 --> 01:06:57,039 know if you can trust them. You don't know what is there going to 830 01:06:57,079 --> 01:07:00,159 be another mutiny? Now you're going to be caught in the middle of it. 831 01:07:00,119 --> 01:07:06,400 Ah, what a miserable time to be a Russian soldier fighting this war. 832 01:07:08,679 --> 01:07:15,000 It's all got away on you. And how are they going to keep 833 01:07:15,039 --> 01:07:20,000 these Hou's Putin going to keep these people motivated? Meanwhile, Putin is in 834 01:07:20,039 --> 01:07:24,760 the weakest position that he's been in in twenty three years. What happened over 835 01:07:24,760 --> 01:07:30,599 the weekend. Again, just because it was over quickly doesn't mean that the 836 01:07:30,840 --> 01:07:36,360 damage is not long term. Now, I said earlier in the show, 837 01:07:36,400 --> 01:07:39,679 and for those of you just joining us, you didn't hear me say it, 838 01:07:39,719 --> 01:07:43,199 but I did say earlier in the show, I'm a little bit concerned 839 01:07:43,280 --> 01:07:47,239 that there might be some degree of a rational exuberance when people are talking about 840 01:07:47,320 --> 01:07:54,320 Putin's weekend position. Time will tell if his position has been weakened as much 841 01:07:54,320 --> 01:07:57,159 as some of us would like to believe that it has. Time will tell 842 01:07:57,840 --> 01:08:00,079 hopefully it has. Hopefully it's been weakened even more than any of us think. 843 01:08:00,480 --> 01:08:06,039 But I'm not so sure we should be racing to that conclusion, much 844 01:08:06,079 --> 01:08:15,639 as we want to believe that. But um, in all of his time, 845 01:08:15,679 --> 01:08:20,000 I mean, he's never he's never faced anything like this, and we 846 01:08:20,119 --> 01:08:25,920 know, you know, historically when there's a coup attempt, sometimes it works 847 01:08:25,960 --> 01:08:34,560 out, sometimes it doesn't um. I mean, there was a coup attempt 848 01:08:34,560 --> 01:08:40,640 in nineteen ninety one, Hardliners attempted to take over and that didn't work out. 849 01:08:40,680 --> 01:08:47,600 But then by nineteen ninety three Gorbachev was out anyway, So again there's 850 01:08:47,720 --> 01:08:51,640 lasting damage that is done even if even if there is no coup. And 851 01:08:51,640 --> 01:08:55,359 again I get it. Progosian said, well it wasn't it was never meant 852 01:08:55,399 --> 01:08:59,079 to be a coup, Okay, But regardless, there's there's damage done and 853 01:08:59,159 --> 01:09:09,319 Putin does seem to be in somewhat of a weakened position. Alex Whiteley says 854 01:09:09,359 --> 01:09:12,840 in the chat room, I think all this does is give the Ukrainians a 855 01:09:12,840 --> 01:09:15,439 bit of respite at best. Well, yeah, I would say, though 856 01:09:15,520 --> 01:09:18,760 I don't think. I don't think there's any respite in that they're going to 857 01:09:20,560 --> 01:09:27,800 They're not going to let up at all. That's the thing. The Ukrainians 858 01:09:28,640 --> 01:09:32,880 just continue, you know. They they every opportunity they have to fight back, 859 01:09:32,920 --> 01:09:39,079 they take it and they push it as far as they can. So 860 01:09:39,319 --> 01:09:43,920 I think they're just going to keep fighting harder and harder and really take advantage 861 01:09:43,960 --> 01:09:47,720 of this. Alex Whiteley says, I could all be smoke and mirrors. 862 01:09:47,720 --> 01:09:53,159 Propaganda designed to throw Ukraine off its guard. I doubt it. I doubt 863 01:09:53,199 --> 01:09:56,560 that, Alex, because that's a hell of a risk for Putin to take 864 01:09:56,600 --> 01:10:00,279 the damage to his own reputation in the process of this. Um, yeah, 865 01:10:00,319 --> 01:10:03,920 that'd be I mean, it's an interesting theory and I had thought of 866 01:10:03,960 --> 01:10:09,600 that too, but it seems unlikely to me. Ron is on the line, 867 01:10:09,680 --> 01:10:13,479 high Ron, Yeah, Matt, jeez, I wish he had another 868 01:10:13,520 --> 01:10:15,159 two hours. You you got such a great show going on here. Oh, 869 01:10:15,199 --> 01:10:17,319 thank you so much. In forward, this is the kind of stuff 870 01:10:17,319 --> 01:10:21,920 that I collect. Tell me about winter, Um, it's come and gone 871 01:10:21,960 --> 01:10:28,439 just once. It affected Ukraine more than Russia. What did what did once 872 01:10:28,479 --> 01:10:31,920 they have to do with the war as far as uh, getting people, 873 01:10:32,479 --> 01:10:36,159 recollecting, resupplying, I don't know. And I'll thank your answer off. 874 01:10:36,239 --> 01:10:40,640 Yeah, okay, thanks Ron, appreciate it all right. That was our 875 01:10:40,640 --> 01:10:44,479 friend, Ron, And um, yeah, I don't know. I think, 876 01:10:44,600 --> 01:10:51,039 Um, I think this past winter, Um, there was a lot 877 01:10:51,039 --> 01:10:58,119 of worry about how Ukraine was going to survive. Although, to be honest 878 01:10:58,159 --> 01:11:00,520 with you, see when I think of Winter and it's effect on the war, 879 01:11:00,840 --> 01:11:03,319 I don't think so much of I mean, look, the Ukrainians have 880 01:11:03,359 --> 01:11:10,279 shown themselves to be very tough, tougher than anyone imagined, especially Vladimir Putin. 881 01:11:10,319 --> 01:11:14,399 I think, right, you know, so they dig in and they 882 01:11:14,399 --> 01:11:18,319 get through it. I don't know if I think in some ways winter might 883 01:11:18,399 --> 01:11:26,319 be might actually help the Russians because something that went wrong for the Russians if 884 01:11:26,399 --> 01:11:33,520 you think back to the start of the invasion, because I was in February 885 01:11:33,560 --> 01:11:43,439 of last year when Putin rolled the tanks. It was still winter, so 886 01:11:43,479 --> 01:11:48,079 the ground was still frozen, and we operate under the assumption that Putin thought 887 01:11:48,760 --> 01:11:54,000 that it would be easy, that this whole thing would be over quick and 888 01:11:54,039 --> 01:11:56,760 easy a couple of days. Maybe he thought, you know, they'd be 889 01:11:56,800 --> 01:12:03,640 greeted as liberators quote unquote, remember that phrase from American history. But what 890 01:12:03,760 --> 01:12:08,560 happened was, you know, they got bogged down because the Ukrainians fought back 891 01:12:09,000 --> 01:12:14,039 again more so than Putner or anyone probably expected. And then so it's winter 892 01:12:14,159 --> 01:12:19,399 turns to spring, and the ground is beginning to thaw and everything's turning to 893 01:12:19,520 --> 01:12:24,960 mud, and these big Russian tanks are getting stuck in the mud. So 894 01:12:25,000 --> 01:12:28,319 I think as far as rolling the tanks, it was an advantage during winter. 895 01:12:28,399 --> 01:12:30,520 It is an advantage during winter, but in the but then when the 896 01:12:30,520 --> 01:12:34,640 thaw comes, you know you got you got tanks getting stuck. But honestly, 897 01:12:34,680 --> 01:12:38,319 when I think of winter, the first thing that I think of in 898 01:12:38,439 --> 01:12:42,279 terms of this war is not Ukraine or Russia or the fighting. The first 899 01:12:42,279 --> 01:12:45,680 thing I think of is Germany. Because I like to give credit where where 900 01:12:45,760 --> 01:12:50,119 credit is due. So for example, very early in the war, I 901 01:12:50,159 --> 01:12:55,880 said, hey, shout outs to Poland, because Poland really stepped up huge 902 01:12:55,880 --> 01:13:00,960 in terms of taking taking in refugees, refugees spilling over the borders, and 903 01:13:00,000 --> 01:13:02,680 they didn't complain about it. They were glad to do it. I mean, 904 01:13:02,720 --> 01:13:05,399 I'm sure it caused a lot of internal strife within the country, but 905 01:13:05,520 --> 01:13:09,119 they really stepped up and did it. But I also, whenever I think 906 01:13:09,159 --> 01:13:15,279 of winter, I always want to give props to Germany. Germany had always 907 01:13:15,319 --> 01:13:21,840 been has been very heavily dependent on Russian energy, and Germany said, this 908 01:13:23,000 --> 01:13:28,239 winter, we are not going to use Russian energy to keep warm. We're 909 01:13:28,279 --> 01:13:34,800 going to be self sufficient. And nobody thought they could do it. And 910 01:13:34,960 --> 01:13:38,960 I think everyone understood, Okay, Germany is going to do the best that 911 01:13:39,000 --> 01:13:46,239 they can here to cut off Russia. But Germany cannot allow itself to freeze 912 01:13:46,239 --> 01:13:53,479 to death either, so you know, there might have to be some compromise 913 01:13:53,520 --> 01:13:57,159 there. There might have to be some give Germany didn't give in. They 914 01:13:57,199 --> 01:14:00,720 got through it, they figured it out and they got through the winter. 915 01:14:00,800 --> 01:14:10,239 And much respect to Germany for that, um. But also I know, 916 01:14:10,319 --> 01:14:13,000 I mean in terms of Ukraine, I know the winters there are brutal, 917 01:14:13,600 --> 01:14:18,359 and uh so, I'm sure it's it's very difficult. Fighting there is probably 918 01:14:18,399 --> 01:14:24,079 more difficult than the winter in that sense. But other than that, I 919 01:14:24,119 --> 01:14:26,560 don't know. I hope that somewhat answers your question. Ron, I'm not. 920 01:14:26,760 --> 01:14:30,399 I'm not sure I know enough about the fighting in the different seasons to 921 01:14:30,479 --> 01:14:34,239 really really answer that effectively. But but it's a good question, and you 922 01:14:34,279 --> 01:14:40,560 know, unfortunately, there may be more winters to come as this war drags 923 01:14:40,560 --> 01:14:44,840 on. There might be more winters to come where we yet to observe that 924 01:14:44,880 --> 01:14:46,560 if this war does drag on for years, which it very well may. 925 01:14:46,840 --> 01:14:50,159 But then again again, you take the Varner group out of the equation, 926 01:14:50,239 --> 01:14:58,479 maybe it doesn't, maybe it doesn't. It's possible that Putin's going to have 927 01:14:58,479 --> 01:15:04,800 to come to the negotiating table, because again, the Russian military in itself 928 01:15:04,880 --> 01:15:10,680 just isn't enough to do this without the Wagner group. You know, they're 929 01:15:10,680 --> 01:15:17,319 they're gonna, they're gonna continue to be decimated. Um and but there's no 930 01:15:17,359 --> 01:15:27,479 clear off ramp for Putin either. Um. What was the It was something 931 01:15:27,520 --> 01:15:33,960 else. Oh, Adam Kinzinger, who I think he's an analyst now for 932 01:15:34,039 --> 01:15:40,920 CNN. You know he didn't he left Congress. He uh, he was 933 01:15:41,000 --> 01:15:45,079 part of the part of the committee, the January sixth committee, of course, 934 01:15:45,279 --> 01:15:47,079 one of the two Republicans along with Liz Chenney on the committee. And 935 01:15:47,399 --> 01:15:50,439 since then he's been I think he's I think he works as an analyst for 936 01:15:50,479 --> 01:15:59,159 CNN primarily. But um, interestingly enough, now you've seen in the Republican 937 01:15:59,239 --> 01:16:05,119 Party in recent years some Republicans who are seem to have somewhat of an affinity 938 01:16:05,199 --> 01:16:10,399 for Russia and for Putin, UM hopefully less so. I think some of 939 01:16:10,399 --> 01:16:16,239 them have found that not tenable to maintain that. But you know Tucker Carlson, 940 01:16:16,319 --> 01:16:20,720 who is kind of a almost a spokesperson for the Republican Party in a 941 01:16:20,800 --> 01:16:26,520 sense with his show. I remember when the when the war started, Carlson 942 01:16:26,760 --> 01:16:30,199 openly said that he was he was rooting for Putin. His exact words, 943 01:16:30,239 --> 01:16:33,119 he said, I'm rooting for Putin. Um, so there is certainly a 944 01:16:33,520 --> 01:16:36,840 pro there seems to be a pro again, hopefully it's shrinking, but a 945 01:16:36,880 --> 01:16:44,560 pro Russia wing of the Republican Party. And uh, this is from Newsweek. 946 01:16:45,159 --> 01:16:53,199 Adam Kinsinger mock's Republican Russia lovers as Putin faces mutiny, says your former 947 01:16:53,239 --> 01:16:59,680 representative. Adam Kinsinger took aim at high profile Republicans who he called Russia lovers 948 01:16:59,760 --> 01:17:03,000 on Twitter, as Russian President Vladimir Putin is currently facing a rebellion within his 949 01:17:03,039 --> 01:17:12,920 own country from the Wagner Group. Wagner Group founder Vegni Pregoshin, who was 950 01:17:12,960 --> 01:17:17,560 once a Putin ally, revolted against the Russian military defense and accused the Russian 951 01:17:17,560 --> 01:17:21,439 military of attack and his group's positions in Ukraine. He also targeted Putin. 952 01:17:21,479 --> 01:17:24,800 Okay, we know all that. I'm going to skip down here. In 953 01:17:24,840 --> 01:17:28,520 a tweet on Friday, Kinsinger, an Illinois Republican, took a shot at 954 01:17:28,560 --> 01:17:32,800 former President Donald Trump, GOP Representative Marjorie Taylor Green of Georgia, and Republican 955 01:17:32,840 --> 01:17:38,920 Senators Ted Cruz of Texas in Josh Holly of Missouri, as well as former 956 01:17:38,920 --> 01:17:44,359 Fox News host Tucker Carlson and former Representative Tulsey Gabbard of Hawaii. Notably, 957 01:17:44,479 --> 01:17:47,840 Gabbard previously served in Congress as a Democrat, but left the political party last 958 01:17:47,920 --> 01:17:51,239 year and has aligned herself with conservatives on a number of issues. All of 959 01:17:51,279 --> 01:17:57,479 the individuals mentioned by Kinsinger of criticized US military support for Ukraine and in some 960 01:17:57,560 --> 01:18:08,760 cases spoken highly of Russia. Um. This is what t's Kinsinger tweeted. 961 01:18:09,920 --> 01:18:15,960 It appears the dream of at Tucker Carlson, at Ted Cruz, at Hollymo, 962 01:18:15,399 --> 01:18:20,119 at Tulsei Gabbard, at Rep. MTG and so many more of a 963 01:18:20,199 --> 01:18:30,039 strong Russia are evaporating even faster. Tag your favorite Russia lover. Um. 964 01:18:31,560 --> 01:18:38,439 In another tweet on Saturday morning, Kinsinger said this good morning to everyone except 965 01:18:38,479 --> 01:18:43,399 those who thought Russia was a stable, strong country with which to model ourselves 966 01:18:43,439 --> 01:18:50,079 after I'm thinking like hashtag Holly m O and at I'm sorry at Hollymo, 967 01:18:50,760 --> 01:18:57,600 not hashtag sorry. The Greensboro, North Carolina contingent has me confused. I'm 968 01:18:57,640 --> 01:19:02,439 thinking like at Hollymo, Josh Holley of Missouri and at Tucker, Carlson and 969 01:19:02,520 --> 01:19:06,000 of course Trump. Many of us knew it would fall apart, just a 970 01:19:06,039 --> 01:19:13,319 bit earlier than most expected. Unquote. In a Friday afternoon tweet, the 971 01:19:13,359 --> 01:19:21,119 former congressman mocked Carlson and Gabbard, saying sorry at Tucker Carlson, at Tulsea 972 01:19:21,199 --> 01:19:27,960 Gabbard, and all the Trumps and their toadies. In addition, Kinsinger slammed 973 01:19:28,000 --> 01:19:31,560 Carlson last year over his support of the invasion of Ukraine after new evidence of 974 01:19:31,560 --> 01:19:38,840 atrocities committed by Russian troops surfaced. Carlson has been regularly featured on Russian state 975 01:19:38,840 --> 01:19:44,520 television and has been utilized as propaganda by the Kremlin due to comments he has 976 01:19:44,560 --> 01:19:48,520 made about the war. By the way, that's something to keep in mind 977 01:19:48,640 --> 01:19:57,560 for those of you who maybe you oppose Russia, but you somehow find a 978 01:19:57,560 --> 01:20:01,520 way to rationalize in your own mind all these pro Russia people saying they're pro 979 01:20:01,600 --> 01:20:06,880 Russia stuff. You find ways to kind of overlook that. Just be aware 980 01:20:09,479 --> 01:20:16,359 everything these people say gets used on Russia state television as a means of saying, 981 01:20:16,640 --> 01:20:24,119 oh, look, here's some honest Americans who know we're right. You 982 01:20:24,239 --> 01:20:30,159 got to understand, you know, we can say that everyone has a right 983 01:20:30,159 --> 01:20:34,319 to their opinion, everyone can express themselves. If you have these people in 984 01:20:34,399 --> 01:20:39,880 our government and in media who are pro Russia and they want to say it, 985 01:20:40,000 --> 01:20:44,199 they have a right to say it. But if they happen to be 986 01:20:44,239 --> 01:20:49,199 someone you like, I'm not saying just because you disagree with them on that 987 01:20:49,279 --> 01:20:59,520 one thing, you should now condemn them. But just be aware of how 988 01:20:59,560 --> 01:21:08,159 that is used on Russia state television. You know, every time Tucker Carlson 989 01:21:08,239 --> 01:21:14,520 publicly praises Putin, praises Russia, talks about how he can't can't wait until 990 01:21:14,640 --> 01:21:19,880 Russia is finally done of viscerating Ukraine. Every time Tulsi Gabbard spews her pro 991 01:21:20,000 --> 01:21:29,479 Russia nonsense, you know, any of them, Marjorie Taylor maybe maybe maybe 992 01:21:29,520 --> 01:21:32,680 they have enough sense to realize Marjorie Taylor Green is just backcrap crazy, and 993 01:21:32,720 --> 01:21:40,439 they don't bother using her stuff. But you know, just be aware. 994 01:21:42,800 --> 01:21:45,159 If you like these people and you agree with them on most things, fine, 995 01:21:45,439 --> 01:21:47,880 but don't be afraid to speak up and say, hmm, I don't 996 01:21:47,920 --> 01:21:53,319 like when they do that, because it's the enemy. Literally, the enemy 997 01:21:53,880 --> 01:21:59,279 takes that and uses it for their own propaganda and Russian State TV as the 998 01:21:59,359 --> 01:22:01,880 name as an implies, we call it Russian State TV because it's run by 999 01:22:01,920 --> 01:22:11,239 the state. It's run by Russia. The message that Vladimir Putin himself wants 1000 01:22:11,319 --> 01:22:16,239 Russians to see him here comes from Russian state controlled media. That's why it's 1001 01:22:16,239 --> 01:22:24,159 state controlled. And they love seeing Tucker Carlson talking about how pro Russia he 1002 01:22:24,279 --> 01:22:31,920 is. So just be aware of what these people are doing. And by 1003 01:22:32,119 --> 01:22:38,079 the way, not for nothing. But you know, we're talking about some 1004 01:22:38,079 --> 01:22:43,119 pretty big media names here, but there's also people in the online media world, 1005 01:22:43,560 --> 01:22:47,800 some high profile podcasters who you're not going to see them on cable news, 1006 01:22:48,279 --> 01:22:53,840 right They're they're operating more just strictly online media. But there's some pretty 1007 01:22:53,840 --> 01:22:57,880 big people like Jackson Hinkel, for example. You may have heard of him 1008 01:22:57,920 --> 01:23:02,119 if you're interested in podcasts and so forth, although he has appeared on cable 1009 01:23:02,159 --> 01:23:04,920 news. Oh and guess who interviewed him on his show, of course, 1010 01:23:05,119 --> 01:23:10,279 Tucker Carlson. So Jackson Hinkle has appeared on Fox. But Jackson Hinkle is 1011 01:23:10,359 --> 01:23:15,039 very anti Ukraine, pro Russia. But here's the thing you look at, 1012 01:23:15,039 --> 01:23:19,520 who's funding some of these people who spread this nonsense. You know they're not 1013 01:23:19,880 --> 01:23:25,319 they're not independently wealthy. Somebody's paying them. Somebody like Jackson Hinkel. You 1014 01:23:25,319 --> 01:23:29,399 know he gets he gets paid. In other words, they're they're not so 1015 01:23:29,520 --> 01:23:33,960 much. They're not journalists, they're they're influencers, and they're paid to push 1016 01:23:34,000 --> 01:23:41,159 a specific agenda. Not really unlike how if you're in cable news, you're 1017 01:23:41,199 --> 01:23:45,680 also paid to pay a paid to push a certain agenda. Right, you 1018 01:23:45,760 --> 01:23:48,479 know if you're I mean simple as easiest examples. If you're on Fox, 1019 01:23:48,800 --> 01:23:54,439 you're paid to push a conservative agenda. If you're on MSNBC, you're paid 1020 01:23:54,720 --> 01:23:58,000 to push a liberal agenda. It's no different in the world of podcasting, 1021 01:23:58,039 --> 01:24:03,039 except they're more brazen and more shameless about it. And you'll see these podcasts. 1022 01:24:03,119 --> 01:24:05,960 Jimmy Dora is another example. Gee, I'd like to know who's paying 1023 01:24:06,039 --> 01:24:12,680 Jimmy dore Right. He used to be with the Young Turks, super progressive, 1024 01:24:12,680 --> 01:24:17,840 liberal guy, but somehow he's anti vax he's uh and he loves Putin. 1025 01:24:17,920 --> 01:24:23,760 I guess his pro Russia. Um. Gee, I wonder where he 1026 01:24:23,800 --> 01:24:30,279 gets his money. Um. And by the way, I can say this 1027 01:24:30,399 --> 01:24:33,479 because I know that these we're talking about people who are who are big enough 1028 01:24:33,600 --> 01:24:39,439 that they they're they're like legitimately famous or at least Internet famous. They don't 1029 01:24:39,520 --> 01:24:42,720 they don't even know I exist. So it's not like they're gonna, oh, 1030 01:24:42,760 --> 01:24:45,279 do you hear about what that guy in Manchester, New Hampshire said about 1031 01:24:45,279 --> 01:24:47,479 you? That's that's not going to be an issue. Um, let's see. 1032 01:24:49,239 --> 01:24:54,560 Just to finish up on this, And by the way, I'm sorry 1033 01:24:54,600 --> 01:24:57,880 for going off on a tangent, but I just I want people to understand 1034 01:24:58,760 --> 01:25:02,199 when you look, if you agree with them, fine, if you're pro 1035 01:25:02,319 --> 01:25:04,800 Russia, so you agree with other people who are pro Russia, fine, 1036 01:25:04,840 --> 01:25:12,199 you can all be pro Russia, and that's too bad. I'm sorry to 1037 01:25:12,239 --> 01:25:14,760 hear that you're pro Russia if you are, but you have a right to 1038 01:25:14,800 --> 01:25:16,760 do that. But I'm just saying, just be aware. If you're not 1039 01:25:16,880 --> 01:25:21,279 pro Russia, but you hear people spreading this pro Russia rhetoric, it's not 1040 01:25:21,439 --> 01:25:26,079 it. This isn't something that just happens in an echo chamber. There's a 1041 01:25:26,159 --> 01:25:30,760 larger purpose for what they're doing. And I just I'm worried that people don't 1042 01:25:30,800 --> 01:25:38,119 realize that and they're naive to it, and then they act as enablers without 1043 01:25:38,279 --> 01:25:43,680 meaning to for that kind of thing. Okay, just to finish this off. 1044 01:25:43,720 --> 01:25:50,840 In twenty twenty one, cruise ted Cruz was accused of promoting Russia propaganda. 1045 01:25:50,920 --> 01:25:58,399 While Green has repeatedly ripped the Biden administration for sending military and humanitarian aid 1046 01:25:58,439 --> 01:26:04,039 to Ukraine and as obviously criticized Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelenski, Trump has described Putin 1047 01:26:04,159 --> 01:26:12,279 as quote very smart, unquote and repeatedly touted his positive relationship with the Russian 1048 01:26:12,359 --> 01:26:15,800 leader while criticizing the administration of Joe Biden's response to the war in Ukraine. 1049 01:26:17,800 --> 01:26:23,520 During an appearance on CNN on Friday, Kinsinger called Progosian's stands toward the Russian 1050 01:26:23,520 --> 01:26:28,359 military a massive blow to Carlson, who he accused of quote parroting Putin talking 1051 01:26:28,399 --> 01:26:31,560 points and lies. Kinsinger also said, quote I think, on the other 1052 01:26:31,600 --> 01:26:35,520 hand, too, this is extremely good for the war in Ukraine because even 1053 01:26:35,560 --> 01:26:41,199 if even if as Progosian is marching on Moscow, even if that fails, 1054 01:26:41,279 --> 01:26:45,079 Wagner is out of the fight, and they were a significant part of the 1055 01:26:45,119 --> 01:26:48,800 effort against Ukraine. Not to mention that all around the world, Wagner protects 1056 01:26:49,039 --> 01:26:55,560 Russian interests, whether it's in Africa, Libya and other places right right exactly. 1057 01:27:00,319 --> 01:27:03,960 By the way, that is part though, of what what Kinsinger points 1058 01:27:03,960 --> 01:27:09,600 out there about Wagner, about Progosion and the Wagner Group specifically in their operations 1059 01:27:09,640 --> 01:27:15,279 around the world. It almost in a way to me, makes it even 1060 01:27:15,319 --> 01:27:19,319 that much more puzzling Progosian's behavior, because it seems to me he's got quite 1061 01:27:19,319 --> 01:27:24,960 a business going, He's got quite this international business going, and he put 1062 01:27:25,000 --> 01:27:31,880 it all in jeopardy. He rolled the dice and risked throwing it all away 1063 01:27:32,279 --> 01:27:42,560 over the weekend with his march towards Moscow, and for what for something that 1064 01:27:42,640 --> 01:27:46,920 he knew, He had to have known couldn't possibly work anyway, or he 1065 01:27:46,920 --> 01:27:50,439 wouldn't have blinked. Now you could argue that he blinked, or the Putin 1066 01:27:50,520 --> 01:27:55,760 blinked, or they both blinked by making the steal, which neither of them 1067 01:27:55,800 --> 01:27:59,760 comes out. Nobody comes out of this situation looking good. But anyway, 1068 01:28:00,239 --> 01:28:03,920 we are about out of time, my friends. I think I'm gonna play 1069 01:28:03,960 --> 01:28:08,000 one more track from Heels Throne, Hales Throne, how do you say it? 1070 01:28:08,119 --> 01:28:12,279 Heels hails from Germany, this song Faded that I really love. We 1071 01:28:12,359 --> 01:28:17,720 do have let's see, I wanted to mention to just quickly. Tomorrow we 1072 01:28:17,760 --> 01:28:21,399 have Alex Cormier, who I think is coming in studio with us. He 1073 01:28:21,439 --> 01:28:27,159 will be our musical guest Alex Cormier on Wednesday, we have the Jaritones. 1074 01:28:29,319 --> 01:28:32,239 Thursday, Kevin Hammer, who is not a musician but a New York Republican 1075 01:28:33,119 --> 01:28:38,760 who will be skyping in. Enjoy talking with him. And Hue the Gecko 1076 01:28:39,079 --> 01:28:44,399 will be our musical guest on Friday. So Hue, he's fascinating. He 1077 01:28:44,479 --> 01:28:47,079 was on recently with Aaron Bildo. But so we've got a big week ahead 1078 01:28:47,319 --> 01:28:51,239 today. Today was just just me, but just as well in a way 1079 01:28:51,239 --> 01:28:55,359 because it gave us a chance to kind of dig in on what happened over 1080 01:28:55,359 --> 01:29:00,720 the weekend, so with Russia and Ukraine and the Wagner Group and all of 1081 01:29:00,760 --> 01:29:02,119 it. So anyway, if you miss any part of today's show up, 1082 01:29:02,119 --> 01:29:05,319 we'll be up in just a little bit at wm H radio dot org and 1083 01:29:05,399 --> 01:29:12,399 on my website Matt Connerton dot com. And uh, we gotta go. 1084 01:29:12,479 --> 01:29:15,560 I'm gonna play, Yeah, I'm gonna play one more track from Hale's Throne 1085 01:29:15,640 --> 01:29:19,760 faded. This is my favorite to close out today's Matt Connerton Unleashed