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Merrily practices family law, Steven criminal defense, 51 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:47,520 and if you go to Circu Law dot com and click the abount section, 52 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:53,199 you'll see their good looking faces there. But then if you go into it, 53 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:57,599 Merrily talks about, you know, the experience at all aspects of family 54 00:03:57,639 --> 00:04:01,800 and matrimonial law, and then talks about out being a Rochester native, went 55 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:06,560 to Nazareth University, graduated there like my mom did. It, goes to 56 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:11,520 buff State. Then you see Stevens and it just basically just says, uh, 57 00:04:11,719 --> 00:04:15,080 if you have a problem, I'll help you there. No, but 58 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:18,199 there was no like any of the other stuff you didn't put I didn't know 59 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:23,040 why. I can tell you why why. There were a lot of academic 60 00:04:23,079 --> 00:04:27,160 institutions that he went to. Some he failed out of, some he didn't. 61 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:30,879 So it would be a very long list. So we've left that off. 62 00:04:30,120 --> 00:04:32,759 Well, let's let's not let's not make a mom out of the mole. 63 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:35,759 I didn't fail out of Arizona State, but they wanted me to come 64 00:04:35,759 --> 00:04:40,319 back with restrictions. I really wasn't a place to be. Wait did you 65 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:43,439 go do You went to Arizona State right out of high school? Right out 66 00:04:43,439 --> 00:04:47,959 of a quaid? Oh my god, Okay, he can't blame me. 67 00:04:48,079 --> 00:04:51,920 Way to go gronk. So it's like, okay, so yeah, no, 68 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:55,120 you can't blame me. That's a that's a great school. But it 69 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:58,120 has quite the reputation it was. It was the eighties, Yeah, it 70 00:04:58,199 --> 00:05:00,680 was. There were no rules, right, sure, was released from an 71 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:02,480 all boys school, I'll tell ye. Yep, five foot four, one 72 00:05:02,519 --> 00:05:06,600 hundred and twenty pounds in me to Arizona State and home about four months later 73 00:05:06,639 --> 00:05:13,680 with a sick tan. Yeah. So okay, that's pretty interesting. I 74 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:16,759 think. So from sego Arizona State to where I came home with to MCC 75 00:05:16,959 --> 00:05:21,399 which pretty put me on the path. Sure. Yeah, well that usually 76 00:05:21,439 --> 00:05:25,879 a parent's foot, right, I mean, you know that was that was 77 00:05:25,959 --> 00:05:28,240 like my thing. You got one shot on dad's dime and that was it. 78 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:30,439 Yeah. I got that lecture every day. Oh yeah. But I 79 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:32,439 was able to get through MCC on time, get me two a degree and 80 00:05:32,439 --> 00:05:35,720 what would have been a year and a half. Then I transferred to State 81 00:05:35,839 --> 00:05:40,079 University of New York at Albany, Okay, did my last two years there, 82 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:43,439 and then went to law school at Western Man. That is like night 83 00:05:43,519 --> 00:05:48,040 and day going from Arizona, Well, no Arizona MCC, but you're sort 84 00:05:48,079 --> 00:05:51,279 of living at home. So there's that hope that there's still you know, 85 00:05:51,319 --> 00:05:56,199 that glimmering out there somewhere. And then it turns Albany. I mean I 86 00:05:56,240 --> 00:06:00,800 grew up south of Albany in northern Duchess County. I grew up in a 87 00:06:00,879 --> 00:06:03,240 small area called Pine Plains, New York. I know a lot of places 88 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:05,959 in New York I have never heard about. Okay, so it's near you 89 00:06:05,959 --> 00:06:09,759 know, Rhinebeck, Okay, so my mom still lives in rhein Back. 90 00:06:09,759 --> 00:06:11,959 But that's where satisfy I grew up, and it was the land of the 91 00:06:11,959 --> 00:06:15,920 haves and have nots. Like Bick had a polo club there and a hunting 92 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:18,319 club that they would stock with stuff. The big family, and then there 93 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:21,600 was like the poorest of the poor. I mean it was the largest school 94 00:06:21,639 --> 00:06:26,279 district in New York State per square mile, probably with the smallest population. 95 00:06:26,319 --> 00:06:30,839 It was seven hundred square miles in its totality. Wow. Yeah, is 96 00:06:30,839 --> 00:06:33,199 that the big family that's in horse racing. Yeah, we were just my 97 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:36,600 son is in the studio too. We were just in a town court and 98 00:06:36,639 --> 00:06:41,879 the judge was talking about the big family because apparently, sadly this past weekend, 99 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:46,879 one of the horses at the Bick's owned was running where Saratoga. Saratoga 100 00:06:46,439 --> 00:06:50,120 the fastest phillies in the country, right, and she was twenty yards from 101 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:54,759 on the finish line leading by and went down. Had to be youth. 102 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:59,480 Yeah. So so there was also like I used to babysit for our family 103 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:05,720 that he handled the Harvard Endowment and made millions off of somebody. Let you 104 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:10,120 take care er. Oh yeah, yeah. Justice and Halsey were the kids 105 00:07:10,199 --> 00:07:13,759 names. And not only that, his wife was a freelance writer for the 106 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:15,560 New York Times. So they used to have progressive dinners with all their other 107 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:18,199 friends from New York, because you were nine in them miles out said Manhattan 108 00:07:18,279 --> 00:07:23,360 in the you know, the picturesque Hudson Valley. So they would ride horses 109 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:26,399 through these trails, and I used to go help clear the trails for the 110 00:07:26,399 --> 00:07:34,639 horses. Halsey Injustice. They're they're wonderful, they're they're both. Well, 111 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:39,079 pull that one just a little bit closer to you, Stephen when you're no, 112 00:07:39,279 --> 00:07:42,560 you yes, please please, so we can just hear you a little 113 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:45,079 bit, just a little bit better. So how long have you have you 114 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:49,240 guys been married prior to having the law practice together? Twenty seven years? 115 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:53,720 Twenty seven years? And how long have you then decided to join forces and 116 00:07:53,759 --> 00:07:57,279 have the have the law firm together? Was too? It was my law 117 00:07:57,399 --> 00:08:01,519 firm, yes, and he decided to join. But that was two thousand 118 00:08:01,519 --> 00:08:03,319 and four, August first, two thousand and four. Now he's my associate. 119 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:07,680 Okay, all right, well so two thousand, so you're almost on 120 00:08:07,959 --> 00:08:11,759 twenty years. Then next year it's the twentieth anniversary of Circu and SIRCU it 121 00:08:11,959 --> 00:08:16,319 is. Yes, it's gonna be big celebrations, big parties. No, 122 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:18,560 no, okay, because I think a lot of people think that, you 123 00:08:18,639 --> 00:08:22,560 know, like working with their spouse would be a bit challenging. But I 124 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:28,920 think from where you guys stand, you're both in really high pressure, right, 125 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:31,840 I mean, think on your feet something that I feel like you need 126 00:08:31,919 --> 00:08:37,519 to have somebody who can relate to what you do and be able to understand 127 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:41,440 it and both be a sounding board and other. And I don't think you 128 00:08:41,519 --> 00:08:45,000 really worked together. You're in criminal defension, you do matrimonial law, so 129 00:08:45,159 --> 00:08:48,720 we really don't. But I will say the first month that Steve joined me, 130 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:54,080 we both had the same primary care physician. We both saw the primary 131 00:08:54,159 --> 00:08:56,000 care physician for what we thought were heart attacks. We thought we were dying 132 00:08:56,440 --> 00:09:01,000 from the stress of just learning to work together, but we quickly learned I 133 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:05,600 handle all the finances, He handles all the other issues, takes care of 134 00:09:05,639 --> 00:09:09,320 all the staff because I like to be the good guy and he doesn't mind 135 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:11,240 being the bad guy. Same thing with our kid Marring. By the way, 136 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:15,799 yeah, well I'm in good cup backup, right, But I mean, 137 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:18,519 because I would argue that one of the most important decisions you'll ever make 138 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:22,440 in your life who is going to be your life partner? And sometimes in 139 00:09:22,519 --> 00:09:26,799 these high stress jobs that people can't relate to ship. I mean, you 140 00:09:26,879 --> 00:09:28,960 know, ship falls apart. It certainly doesn't. And I will say, 141 00:09:30,039 --> 00:09:33,639 we've learned to argue very effectively. It's real quick. Steve Cross examines me, 142 00:09:33,799 --> 00:09:37,679 I go down. It's well, I was going to say, because 143 00:09:37,679 --> 00:09:39,279 he is there ever a time. If you're even mad, let's say something. 144 00:09:39,639 --> 00:09:43,399 You know, obviously, marriage, kids, just the stresses of life, 145 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:46,360 all that stuff that somebody decides to work from home, and someone will 146 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:48,480 work from the office just so I don't have to look at you today. 147 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:52,799 Kind of thing that does happen. I would think that sometimes, yeah, 148 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:54,799 and merrily suspend a little time down to Florida when I'm not there, so 149 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:58,159 she gets her time away from me. Then I do try to run away 150 00:09:58,240 --> 00:10:03,279 sometimes. Well, I think that sometimes that's almost a healthy thing when you're 151 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:07,360 absolutely right. Oh my gosh. During COVID, when Steve had to come 152 00:10:07,399 --> 00:10:11,039 home from work and I was able to stay in Florida, it was marriage 153 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:18,080 saving quite frankly. So, now, having no like experience in law at 154 00:10:18,120 --> 00:10:22,399 AWE, it looks like it requires an unbelievable attention to detail. It does, 155 00:10:22,879 --> 00:10:26,840 and I would think a very important skill that many people lack would be 156 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:31,120 the skill to listen. I think I think listening is actually a skill to 157 00:10:31,159 --> 00:10:35,279 actually hear, because there's so much in terms of and maybe more than that 158 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:39,200 is inferential language, understanding what that is in body language and that sort of 159 00:10:39,279 --> 00:10:43,639 thing, and then to think on your feet and a love of preparation. 160 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:46,399 Yeah, listening. I saw something not too long on maybe a couple of 161 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:52,480 years ago, and people want to listen to respond yes, and that's that's 162 00:10:52,519 --> 00:10:56,440 not what listening should be listening because you want to hear yes and then then 163 00:10:56,559 --> 00:11:01,879 and then and then you can respond. But listening to respond your position isn't 164 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:05,159 really listening. It's just waiting for that person to take a breath and then 165 00:11:05,159 --> 00:11:07,639 you're gonna tell him what what you think. As opposed to listening you wanted 166 00:11:07,639 --> 00:11:11,080 to hear, but what we do A very fine judge, Judge Saragosa, 167 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:15,639 I was a very young DA pulled me into his office and we were having 168 00:11:15,799 --> 00:11:18,519 a conversation about life. I was a young proscor, didn't know anything. 169 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:20,559 And he said, Steve, you know the formula for success? As I 170 00:11:20,559 --> 00:11:22,879 said, no, you're on it even goes to be a lawyer, and 171 00:11:22,879 --> 00:11:26,600 you could probably use this in just about any other profession. Eighty five percent 172 00:11:26,639 --> 00:11:31,240 of what you should do is preparation. Yeah, and the remaining fifteen percent 173 00:11:31,559 --> 00:11:37,320 is going to be your presentation. So eighty five percent preparation, fifteen percent 174 00:11:37,399 --> 00:11:41,919 presentation. And that's a formula that how much is that having both of you? 175 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:43,799 I would ask, is having a big personality helped you both? Oh, 176 00:11:43,879 --> 00:11:48,080 my gosh, for litigation, yeah, it's essential. And for sales, 177 00:11:48,120 --> 00:11:50,360 because we really are in the business of sales. Yeah, So it 178 00:11:50,519 --> 00:11:54,120 is absence almost like a charm, right, And then I don't even mean 179 00:11:54,159 --> 00:11:56,440 I like you. Well, I don't mean it like that, because it 180 00:11:56,480 --> 00:11:58,279 almost sounds like then and when you say things like sales, all of a 181 00:11:58,320 --> 00:12:01,840 sudden, every but he gets the slick person in mind. And that's not 182 00:12:01,960 --> 00:12:07,480 what I'm saying. It's it's having talked to you quite a bit in recent 183 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:11,399 months. One of the things is always that you want to be somebody people 184 00:12:11,519 --> 00:12:13,360 want to be around. Isn't that what something that he seems to say? 185 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:16,519 And I think that there is really that ability and that when you walk into 186 00:12:16,559 --> 00:12:22,279 a courtroom and it's strangers who are potentially, if something goes to trial, 187 00:12:22,360 --> 00:12:24,440 are going to be making a decision. Well, that's a lot of pressure 188 00:12:24,519 --> 00:12:30,320 to try to get them to see things from your perspective. That's correct. 189 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:31,960 I mean, like you said, people want to be around people that are 190 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:37,159 outgoing. Yeah, you know, smart, energetic, positive, positive. 191 00:12:37,399 --> 00:12:39,799 I mean, look what we do, we can't guarantee outcomes. We don't 192 00:12:39,799 --> 00:12:43,279 know. In fact, I tell people, you might pay me all this 193 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:45,840 money lose everything. I don't know. I'm not the judge. I'm not 194 00:12:45,919 --> 00:12:48,879 the jury, and I can't make the DA do what you want them to 195 00:12:48,919 --> 00:12:54,519 do. So you just have to manage expectations. But your personality is what 196 00:12:54,080 --> 00:12:58,679 for us. We can at times have big personalities. Uh, you know, 197 00:12:58,759 --> 00:13:01,279 we try to temper it when it's appropriate, but most of the time 198 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:03,440 it is what it is. Apparently you seem to have almost like a traditional 199 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:09,960 path right to becoming a lawyer. I would say, what school and then 200 00:13:09,799 --> 00:13:13,960 undergraduate and then graduate school or to law school. Well, so I started 201 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:18,879 in La thinking I was going to be an oscar winning actress and lived there 202 00:13:18,039 --> 00:13:24,440 during the Rodney King riots and early ninety earthquake. Yeah, came running home 203 00:13:24,519 --> 00:13:28,159 to Rochester, wow, and was going to continue in New York City and 204 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:31,360 my father said, you have to finish your undergraduate degree. So I went 205 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:35,759 to Nazareth finished Where did you start? I started at the American Academy of 206 00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:39,120 Dramatic Arts in Los Angeles, actually in Pasadena, Yeah, and then ended 207 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:45,039 up coming back finishing a Nazareth And then I met Steve So I was wait, 208 00:13:45,159 --> 00:13:48,639 so you wanted to be an actress first. Yeah, so that's why 209 00:13:48,679 --> 00:13:50,840 I like litigations. Yeah, I love you know, being in the courtroom 210 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:58,080 and entertaining. So wow, so what And it was just the those odd 211 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:01,679 circumstances that changed your idea and not want to stay out. I mean, 212 00:14:01,799 --> 00:14:03,879 La has been I interviewed in La. La was one of these places that 213 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:05,639 I was like, I don't know, man, I don't think I could 214 00:14:05,639 --> 00:14:07,759 bring my whole family out here. At the time, I was married at 215 00:14:07,799 --> 00:14:11,360 three kids. I'm like, and they're saying to me, well, we'll 216 00:14:11,399 --> 00:14:13,399 pay you this, and I go, it's not that much more than I'm 217 00:14:13,399 --> 00:14:16,559 making in Rochester. Well you could also go and host a game show or 218 00:14:16,799 --> 00:14:18,440 you know, do you stand up? And it's like like, go, 219 00:14:18,639 --> 00:14:22,240 yeah, there's no guarantee. You know what I'm saying. I mean, 220 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:26,200 it is a competitive it's a weird space out there, well, and everyone 221 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:30,639 is there just to make something themselves. I did not find that you really 222 00:14:30,720 --> 00:14:33,360 could make really good friends like you can on the East Coast. Well, 223 00:14:33,399 --> 00:14:35,879 there's no authenticity, correct, I mean that's that that's a big thing. 224 00:14:35,919 --> 00:14:39,799 And you you guys are very like real people that I yeh, I could 225 00:14:39,840 --> 00:14:43,679 see that where I wouldn't. Really it wasn't for me at the end of 226 00:14:43,720 --> 00:14:45,480 the day. But I did love it. I mean I had a great 227 00:14:45,480 --> 00:14:48,559 experience. So when you went to NAZ, what was the undergrad because they 228 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:52,080 have a big theater program or I think now maybe more so than I don't. 229 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:56,000 I don't know they did. Actually I had five majors and I still 230 00:14:56,039 --> 00:14:58,759 graduated in time, but I was theater, social work, went back to 231 00:15:00,559 --> 00:15:05,960 and then business administration. Jeez, social work a little bit man, that's 232 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:09,360 driven. Like, So, then what attracts you to law school? Because 233 00:15:09,759 --> 00:15:13,279 you know, I have talked to you your husband and your son, and 234 00:15:13,879 --> 00:15:16,080 they have both said that first year it's almost like learning a new language, 235 00:15:16,399 --> 00:15:20,840 right, It's intense. There's a lot there. What you really got to 236 00:15:20,879 --> 00:15:24,039 be somebody who's committed once you're going to go to law school and also have 237 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:28,159 this desire to want to help people because most of the people you're gonna work 238 00:15:28,159 --> 00:15:33,200 with it, you're seeing them at their lowest moment. I do, absolutely, 239 00:15:33,320 --> 00:15:35,080 yeah, I mean see people their saddest moment, the hardest moment. 240 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:39,480 Yes. But for me, I took a business law class my senior year 241 00:15:39,759 --> 00:15:43,799 of undergraduate okay, and it was an adjunct professor, and I don't recall 242 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:46,720 his name, but he was phenomenal, and all of a sudden I decided 243 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:48,799 I'd go to law school. So that was really a one professor that I 244 00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:52,559 realized this is what I want to do the rest of my life. It 245 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:56,480 is interesting when you find that one person that kind of teaches you what What 246 00:15:56,679 --> 00:15:58,679 was it for you though? I mean you went to Arizona State, I 247 00:15:58,759 --> 00:16:03,080 go, I know what's on your mind is having fun getting away from home 248 00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:07,240 as far as possible. Yeah. Honestly, my path to law school was 249 00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:14,360 started in my senior year September of eighty eight, and I was graduating from 250 00:16:14,399 --> 00:16:18,320 Albany in the following May with a political science economics degree, and a friend 251 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:21,559 of mine, who was a female, just a friend from Rochester. We've 252 00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:23,480 known each other for a couple of years, said what are you doing next 253 00:16:23,559 --> 00:16:26,159 year? And I'm just gonna graduate. I have no idea what I'm doing 254 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:27,720 next year. She goes, well, I'm gonna go to law school. 255 00:16:27,759 --> 00:16:32,039 I'm like, well, what's law school? She goes, It's three more 256 00:16:32,159 --> 00:16:34,320 years of this. It's two o'clock in a bar. I'm like, I 257 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:37,039 think I could do this for three more years. And that's how I got 258 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:44,559 then. I but it's not even like it was nothing nothing, Nothing could 259 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:47,840 have been farther from what my thoughts were. So that particular week, it 260 00:16:47,919 --> 00:16:49,480 was like a Friday. The next week there was an els at exam. 261 00:16:49,600 --> 00:16:52,639 I went and bought a book, and I had to work during college, 262 00:16:52,679 --> 00:16:56,519 so I was delivering pizzas. I left the book one Thursday night, two 263 00:16:56,559 --> 00:16:59,320 days before the exam, for about seven minutes, and I'm like, yeah, 264 00:16:59,639 --> 00:17:02,360 we'll just figured out on Saturday. I want to did pretty well. 265 00:17:02,559 --> 00:17:04,680 Yeah, it was accepted to law school and what to law school? Not 266 00:17:04,759 --> 00:17:08,240 having any idea what a lawyer did right? None? Zero. He actually 267 00:17:08,279 --> 00:17:11,160 did not know what a plaintiff and defendant were. Yeah, I didn't know 268 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:14,680 anything. These guys that I went to law school with the men and women, 269 00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:18,920 their fathers and mothers were judges and lawyers and businessmen know that that wasn't 270 00:17:18,079 --> 00:17:21,480 I had a great family, but none of them are lawyers. And I 271 00:17:21,640 --> 00:17:23,839 literally had migraines for about a year trying to figure out what was being what 272 00:17:25,240 --> 00:17:29,640 it was? So what is it in you? Then that says I'm not 273 00:17:29,759 --> 00:17:32,559 giving up? Yeah? Do you know what I'm saying? If you're if 274 00:17:32,559 --> 00:17:34,359 you're fighting migraines for a year, and I know that because there is that. 275 00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:37,920 Everybody has that moment, no matter what it is, you quit. 276 00:17:38,119 --> 00:17:41,680 The greatest stories are built on the I didn't quit, right, I mean, 277 00:17:41,839 --> 00:17:45,799 that's what the greatest stories are. But but I'm hearing she had an 278 00:17:45,839 --> 00:17:48,279 idea of what she was going to do. She had a professor, and 279 00:17:48,359 --> 00:17:52,119 she went, this is what I want to do. So there's a drive 280 00:17:52,200 --> 00:17:53,839 and somewhat of a knowledge, right, and knows what she's getting into. 281 00:17:55,279 --> 00:17:59,720 You step in blind off the cliff. That's why you're fuck I'm sorry. 282 00:17:59,759 --> 00:18:03,920 I love that. Yeah, I love that. I literally I'm Most of 283 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:06,839 my friends will tell you there's nobody more competitive than me. Okay, I 284 00:18:06,920 --> 00:18:10,200 mean we don't play backgaming anymore because Merrily taught me and beat me like eighty 285 00:18:10,240 --> 00:18:12,640 five straight times. The last time and the last time we played, I 286 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:17,079 took up, I took the board and shut the board. I threw it 287 00:18:17,119 --> 00:18:19,279 across the room. So we don't play backgam or very competitive. And I 288 00:18:19,359 --> 00:18:22,960 was also in debt about twenty two thousand dollars at age twenty two. After 289 00:18:23,079 --> 00:18:26,359 my first year, I said, I'm gonna give it another semester. I 290 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:29,599 went back to school. Professor Art Levins will never forget him, was a 291 00:18:29,640 --> 00:18:32,279 mentor to me. I was in the toughest class in law school, which 292 00:18:32,319 --> 00:18:34,480 is called evidence, and I was struggling. I went to see him and 293 00:18:34,519 --> 00:18:38,039 he said, Steve, are you studying? Professor? I study six eight 294 00:18:38,079 --> 00:18:41,680 hours a night, and he said, well, just keep at it, 295 00:18:41,160 --> 00:18:45,000 and eventually, in this very short period of time, it's going to be 296 00:18:45,039 --> 00:18:48,920 a light switch. What do you mean. The light switch is gonna go 297 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:52,599 on and you're gonna understand how to be a lawyer. And three weeks later 298 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:56,799 I was studying evidence. The light switch went on and law school was a 299 00:18:56,839 --> 00:18:59,920 cakewalk. After that. First year of law school is just a crazy, 300 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:03,319 the intense period, but eventually the light does go on. And we've we've 301 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:06,319 told our son that, and we're going to tell our youngest that who's heading 302 00:19:06,319 --> 00:19:08,319 off to school too. Yeah. Yeah, it's a tough it's a grind. 303 00:19:08,799 --> 00:19:14,559 Yeah, how was the first year's scene? My light has been out 304 00:19:14,599 --> 00:19:15,839 for the year. I haven't found it yet, so I'm still working on 305 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:19,680 that. But you don't look like it like it doesn't look like you were 306 00:19:19,759 --> 00:19:25,559 overwhelmed by it. I wouldn't say overwhelmed. It's definitely a change in time 307 00:19:25,599 --> 00:19:29,400 management and actually having to sit down and read an amount that you can't read 308 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:32,680 in a night, learn how to skim efficiently and learn how to answer a 309 00:19:32,759 --> 00:19:37,200 question when your name is called without knowing it's coming. Yeah, so a 310 00:19:37,279 --> 00:19:38,880 lot of on your feet. You'll learn to cover it up. You just 311 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:42,920 smile through it and keep going, all right, right that that that that 312 00:19:44,079 --> 00:19:45,079 does sound tough, but even I mean, I got to think there's even 313 00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:48,480 cases, especially for you, in these criminal defense cases, at times where 314 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:52,359 it's got to be like, I don't know where to go with this, 315 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:56,480 and yet is it that competitiveness that keeps you the drive and also the idea 316 00:19:56,680 --> 00:20:02,200 of protecting someone's rights at the very base of it all. I would think 317 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:04,160 that's very important. In fact, in the last couple of weeks, had 318 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:11,079 a couple of cases that some people that are friends or acquaintances will ask about 319 00:20:11,079 --> 00:20:12,440 what it's like to be a lawyer. And I was just out not too 320 00:20:12,519 --> 00:20:15,079 long ago, and there were some people in the courthouse and I have a 321 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:18,559 rather controversial case, and they said, I can't believe Steve you do that. 322 00:20:18,759 --> 00:20:22,440 You were a prosecutor for twelve years and now you're representing this person who's 323 00:20:22,519 --> 00:20:26,000 charged with a heinous crime. And I let them go on, and I 324 00:20:26,079 --> 00:20:32,160 say, well, I am the buffer between an overreaching government and one of 325 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:37,480 its citizens. So you may not like what the allegations are in a case, 326 00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:41,359 but if it wasn't for people like me, the government would run rough 327 00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:45,000 shot over everybody, and it would not just be the person in this particular 328 00:20:45,079 --> 00:20:49,000 case there's charged with what are heinous allegations, but it could be an everyday 329 00:20:49,079 --> 00:20:55,240 citizen who maybe made a bad mistake or poor decision, but nothing that should 330 00:20:55,279 --> 00:21:00,200 be bullied by an overreaching government. So that's what I do. Well, 331 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:03,440 this is where you're right, because think about anybody who's going through anything either 332 00:21:03,599 --> 00:21:08,240 even matrimonial and child custody situations. Like I said earlier, it's it's your 333 00:21:08,319 --> 00:21:14,920 lowest but all of that is so emotional and overwhelming, and our emotions and 334 00:21:15,079 --> 00:21:18,839 are thinking sometimes are effecting. They become affected. They should if you can 335 00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:25,400 separate them, maybe a clinical diagnosis for you and they may have a room 336 00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:27,720 somewhere for you. But that's sort of what you kind of need to do 337 00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:30,599 at times in life to be able to step back and see something for what 338 00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:34,279 it is. Right, great words to say, super hard to do, 339 00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:37,880 super hard to do, but when you so now take that and if you 340 00:21:38,519 --> 00:21:42,599 go into a court of law, you're scared you're not hearing what's being said 341 00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:47,359 exactly as it's being said. There's Latin terms that you're not going to understand 342 00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:49,440 fully, there's language that's not there. So that's where I always think, 343 00:21:49,519 --> 00:21:53,240 like you want to go to somebody that has dedicated their life to this, 344 00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:57,839 and it is and I know because I understand that. I'm sure you know 345 00:21:57,960 --> 00:22:03,359 people say heinous, but it's not. It's about making sure that we're protecting 346 00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:07,559 the rights of somebody as they were laid forth and we don't have an overreaching 347 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:11,359 for exactly that because you know, given in to take a mile kind of 348 00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:15,079 thing, and it does go beyond whatever this heinous act is it could be 349 00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:18,160 something else. When's the last time the government didn't try to take more than 350 00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:21,359 Yeah, sure, that's absolutely. We see things like Evan and Domain happen 351 00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:23,279 all the time with stuff, and I mean there's all kinds of cases. 352 00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:26,559 The fact years ago there was a draft. Can you imagine today that the 353 00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:30,119 government comes in there, Gold, take one of your sons or one of 354 00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:33,119 my or my son or son. We're gonna put them in a rice field 355 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:36,160 twenty two hours away. Yeah, are you out of your mind? No? 356 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:37,319 Thank you? No, yeah, no, thank you, thank you. 357 00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:41,720 You have three kids, what do you teach them about not giving up 358 00:22:41,759 --> 00:22:45,640 on something? I mean, you say, your your competitiveness, but sometimes 359 00:22:45,759 --> 00:22:48,519 you know, flipping back ammon boards and I used to do that with candy 360 00:22:48,599 --> 00:22:52,720 Land. Isn't something that you want them to bed be doing. You know 361 00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:55,839 what I'm saying. Well, I was a little kid. My dad used 362 00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:57,759 always teach me like it would tease me, so you would get like cherry 363 00:22:57,799 --> 00:23:00,960 pits or whatever and you go and I'd have to go back and I was 364 00:23:02,039 --> 00:23:06,119 like five of it. I think this one to our left has done that 365 00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:11,400 a few times. Steven and Steve have that fiery person. Yeah, things 366 00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:15,319 will fly. But you know, I think it's very important that they have 367 00:23:15,559 --> 00:23:18,480 drive. Yeah, So Steve and I never ever ever told them they had 368 00:23:18,519 --> 00:23:22,160 to have straight a's or whatever. Great. We told them to do the 369 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:26,000 best for themselves, whatever that is. If you're an A student, be 370 00:23:26,039 --> 00:23:27,279 an A student. If you're a C student, be a C student. 371 00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:30,279 But if you're an A student, don't be a C student. And they've 372 00:23:30,319 --> 00:23:36,319 actually all excelled one pent based on that on their own. I mean, 373 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:41,279 Steven has a scholarship at YOUB and he still really tries hard to get the 374 00:23:41,319 --> 00:23:44,880 best grades he possibly can, even though he's joining our firm, and all 375 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:47,440 of the said is you have to pass. Yeah, but they just don't 376 00:23:47,519 --> 00:23:49,200 do that. Our girls don't eat. There's a real satisfaction in that. 377 00:23:49,319 --> 00:23:52,359 I mean, there's a whole lot of talk in life. It's a lot 378 00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:56,680 of parents or teachers and educators, how do we build the self esteem and 379 00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:59,200 a kid, how do we build a self esteem? And I had three 380 00:23:59,319 --> 00:24:03,039 kids in one wound up with an IEP. So you would go into these 381 00:24:03,079 --> 00:24:07,000 meetings and all I would say is all I want to do is get the 382 00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:11,039 win, because once you get the win, you can push them further. 383 00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:14,880 A coach yells at you after winning, or at least my coaches did, 384 00:24:15,319 --> 00:24:18,400 and when you're losing. Not that they were soft on you, but there 385 00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:19,920 was a little more understanding because you're already beating up on yourself. But when 386 00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:23,640 you're doing well, that satisfaction of doing something was great. And that's why 387 00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:26,599 I always said I like working with my hands, because you know, on 388 00:24:26,759 --> 00:24:30,920 rate in radio you left at the end of the day there was nothing. 389 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:33,079 I had, nothing tangible at all, right, and it was three months 390 00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:37,160 before you even saw the results of what it was, and by then you 391 00:24:37,279 --> 00:24:41,440 forgot what you did. Anyway, in their archaic system of rating things. 392 00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:42,920 That's why if you hung a door in your house, I could go, 393 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:45,119 oh, I did that, And if I did a shitty job, I 394 00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:48,279 did that too. But I mean I did it, and there was some 395 00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:52,680 satisfaction in that. And I always thought that's where real self esteem comes from. 396 00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:55,400 It's the satisfaction. It's a little bit of pride. It's putting on 397 00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:56,720 a suit like that and looking pretty sure, right, it's not trying to 398 00:24:56,759 --> 00:25:00,799 oppress somebody. It's not oppress yourself. Eggs exactly. We spend too much 399 00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:06,200 time trying to impress everybody else. You know, guys buy Porsches and then 400 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:10,920 they have old ladies hit him on the side of them about now that you 401 00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:14,000 know what I would love to get. I have always wanted to And I 402 00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:18,519 saw one not long ago nineteen fifty five Spider Porsche, the one that James 403 00:25:18,599 --> 00:25:22,640 Dean last drove in, which by it's a great car, and I think 404 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:25,759 Seinfeld sold one for five for five million dollars. Yeah, if you get 405 00:25:25,759 --> 00:25:29,799 one of those, will split it. I mean, oh yeah, how 406 00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:33,559 unbelievable. I mean those to me, that is like the greatest looking car 407 00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:37,000 ever. And I still think if they at somebody somewhere has James that James 408 00:25:37,079 --> 00:25:41,799 Dean wreck, and I go that you could sell that wreck, that crumpled 409 00:25:41,839 --> 00:25:45,799 wreck for for millions. Because when I started in radio, I used to 410 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:51,079 I worked for a guy named Rob Dyson, and Rob Dyson raced porsches down 411 00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:56,440 at Limestone in Connecticut and did all kinds of stuff and he used to go 412 00:25:56,519 --> 00:26:00,680 there and Paul Newman would race there. So yeah, right, because they 413 00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:03,000 all they all like James Cagney. James Cagney lived where I grew up, 414 00:26:03,039 --> 00:26:07,839 and all these people that are out racing car flying planes. I want to 415 00:26:07,839 --> 00:26:11,640 go where you go. It's awesome. You gotta come to you know what? 416 00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:15,839 Rhyme Bick just got Mirror Bow and they have the Beakman arms. It 417 00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:19,640 is the oldest inn in America. And Underglass they have George Washington signature when 418 00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:23,079 he signed the guest board. Isn't it cool? And Steve take me there 419 00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:26,720 down? Because what do you spending my money for? She spends plenty of 420 00:26:26,799 --> 00:26:30,079 money. I have a funny I'm spending Hanging on a second, I have 421 00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:33,799 a funny. Oh you know what. Paul Rudd owns a chocolate shop right 422 00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:37,559 on Main Street. Yeah, it's a little chocolate coffee shop. Well I'm 423 00:26:37,559 --> 00:26:40,160 a big chocolate fan and a big Paul Rudd fan. So there you go 424 00:26:40,279 --> 00:26:42,160 out there, Paul Rudd. I haven't seen him there and been down a 425 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:45,200 bunch, but I haven't seen there. And put by the way, I 426 00:26:45,319 --> 00:26:48,119 have a funny feeling that your wife can stand on her own. But she 427 00:26:48,279 --> 00:26:52,200 had sat firm first. Yeah, yeah, you're not wrong. Well we're 428 00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:55,720 going to We're gonna see Springsteen in a couple of weeks. We're staying at 429 00:26:55,720 --> 00:27:00,759 Mirrorbow and Skinn Atlas concert Friday. Where is he here at Turkey. We 430 00:27:00,759 --> 00:27:03,440 saw him in Buffalo and March and I'm dragging merrily and another couple dot Comnors 431 00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:07,279 and his wife were going to go good down there. We love Mirball. 432 00:27:07,319 --> 00:27:10,319 It's that's when our kids were young. Just to get an hour away, 433 00:27:10,519 --> 00:27:11,319 just drive an hour away. It's like you were gone for two weeks. 434 00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:17,559 Yeah, Skinny, Alice is a beautiful That lake is awesome. What inspires 435 00:27:17,599 --> 00:27:21,759 you? There was something that inspires you? Well? I think my children, 436 00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:25,440 really, I mean, that's my my big thing. But I'm sorry, 437 00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:27,680 Steve, should it be you? Do you inspire me? Probably not? 438 00:27:30,279 --> 00:27:36,400 You inspire me to run away. I like to provide for my family. 439 00:27:36,519 --> 00:27:37,640 Yeah, I mean that's just you know, is that kind of what 440 00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:41,480 makes you tick? I mean, every day get up. We're both real 441 00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:45,960 strong on family, even you know, our parents, our grandparents that are 442 00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:48,880 around still, our kids. I mean we literally everything we do is really 443 00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:52,720 based on it. Did you ever think when you were let's say, when 444 00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:56,519 you started this and before he joined and you guys get married and now you 445 00:27:56,720 --> 00:28:00,920 kind of that eventually your kids would be involved in this? Absolutely? Not 446 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:03,799 no, right, that's not I kind of figured at least we had three 447 00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:07,480 of three figured one at least one. I figured when Stephen came out and 448 00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:11,079 he looked like the least likely. No I knew. No. I knew 449 00:28:11,079 --> 00:28:15,599 when Stephen was younger, because he was he was independent and he was kind 450 00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:18,359 of mean, and I figured he was going to be a lawyer, independent 451 00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:22,200 and mean. He looks like such a nice guy, so much nicer now 452 00:28:22,279 --> 00:28:26,319 than he wasn't his teens. My brother. Yeah, but that's usually father's 453 00:28:26,319 --> 00:28:29,400 son stuff. It was, you know, I mean, that's usually the 454 00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:32,559 way it is, because I can it is. You were always getting under 455 00:28:32,599 --> 00:28:36,480 I'm me and my old man were always He's actually the only one that will 456 00:28:36,559 --> 00:28:38,240 end up joining us because even though our youngest is going to go to law 457 00:28:38,279 --> 00:28:44,680 school, she's going to practice down South. Okay, so well to we're 458 00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:48,400 in the South. So she's at the University of South Carolina. Oh yeah, 459 00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:51,640 my sisters undergrad there. Oh really yeah, I have said of all 460 00:28:51,759 --> 00:28:55,519 the schools my children went to, that was by far my favorite. Really 461 00:28:55,640 --> 00:29:00,039 yeah, I'll really miss it. I love it there sec the games, 462 00:29:00,279 --> 00:29:03,119 Yeah, I agree. I mean that was when I think back because my 463 00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:07,799 sister is five years younger than me, and I would go visit and it 464 00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:11,079 was always a great time. What a cool little city. And I think 465 00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:15,960 it was around that time that Hoodie did their MTV thing because they were there 466 00:29:15,119 --> 00:29:18,039 and that was the big thing. And then uh yeah, and then my 467 00:29:18,119 --> 00:29:22,799 sister is I don't even know what she studied there. She has a doctorate 468 00:29:22,839 --> 00:29:25,160 in linguistics, but I don't know what she's I think it was the English. 469 00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:27,319 So our daughter is a nursing major. But actually we love Hoodie, 470 00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:32,200 So Steve and I that's our favorite original band when we started dating, that's 471 00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:36,119 who was playing and we went to see his concert. It was actually the 472 00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:40,480 Hoodie Revival concert. It was at Saratoga Correct and there was a big us 473 00:29:40,599 --> 00:29:44,440 our University of South Carolina flag. Yeah, and we both said, oh, 474 00:29:44,519 --> 00:29:47,119 that's where Rhannon goes because she was looking at schools at that time, 475 00:29:47,279 --> 00:29:49,119 Okay, and it just was, you know, kind of great that she 476 00:29:49,359 --> 00:29:52,640 was kind of faith that she ended up going there and she's going to move 477 00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:56,279 to South or Charleston. Yep, great city, look so cool. Yeah, 478 00:29:56,319 --> 00:29:59,359 it really is cool. That's a cool city. And even Savannah is, 479 00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:02,599 which is a little further south, but that's that's another one that's right 480 00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:07,880 there. They're like Yeah. My brother runs hotels and there was one in 481 00:30:07,039 --> 00:30:11,559 Charleston that he was in charge. I'm forgetting the name of it's his basis, 482 00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:15,240 Kenny Bunk. It's uh yeah, it's the Cliff House up there. 483 00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:18,640 Oh yeah, well in South Carolina. Charleston just got voted again like the 484 00:30:18,839 --> 00:30:21,680 best place to live in America on I mean it is a cool little city. 485 00:30:21,839 --> 00:30:26,279 Yeah, that's why that's got to be like really satisfying for you guys, 486 00:30:26,839 --> 00:30:30,000 having shown your kids and expose them to law and the helping you know 487 00:30:30,119 --> 00:30:33,839 of people, and that you gotta do what you love and by the way, 488 00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:37,759 your own thing, right, I mean, you're not working for anybody 489 00:30:37,759 --> 00:30:41,359 else. You're working for your for yourselves, and you've been able to build 490 00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:44,599 unbelievable practice. You know, it's tough. I mean you get out there 491 00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:47,200 on your own and you're flying without a net. I mean yeah, just 492 00:30:47,519 --> 00:30:51,680 it's either you eat what you eat well, Steve says, every every first 493 00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:52,799 of the month, you're back at zero, you know. I mean that's 494 00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:56,880 that's a reality. You got a hustle, yeah, yeah, and I 495 00:30:56,960 --> 00:31:02,720 think that's a big thing. And you went to McQuaid, right. I 496 00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:04,880 loved that school for my kid, and it was It's one of those where 497 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:08,119 it was it was hustle, it was you know, you learned that thing. 498 00:31:08,279 --> 00:31:12,839 I loved the English class when I remember sitting there hearing about you'll read 499 00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:15,720 three books, we'll discuss one in class, and who read a paper on 500 00:31:15,799 --> 00:31:21,319 everyone per semester? And I went, I don't think I could, so 501 00:31:21,519 --> 00:31:23,720 honestly, I could have done this. Stephen moved there in seventh grade, 502 00:31:23,759 --> 00:31:27,039 so seventh grade was at that time. It was the first It was right 503 00:31:27,079 --> 00:31:30,160 before the first year they started the sixth grade program. So he moved from 504 00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:33,359 Pittsford, which is a great school too, and he moved over, and 505 00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:37,559 I swear the first year, I don't know who cried more me or him 506 00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:41,519 because he was so miserable with the amount of homework. But honestly, at 507 00:31:41,559 --> 00:31:45,359 this point, Steve and I battled about sending him there, and I really 508 00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:48,359 think it was the best thing we could have done. Firently I would agree 509 00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:52,680 with that, I think. And my kid went just high school, but 510 00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:56,559 I thought I never helped him once, but there were times where he was 511 00:31:56,240 --> 00:32:00,880 like losing his mind because I don't know if the work was any harder, 512 00:32:01,079 --> 00:32:05,279 but there was a lot more of it. So our grads went to Pittsford 513 00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:07,920 and I can there's no comparisons night and day. And the interesting thing is 514 00:32:08,039 --> 00:32:14,000 what a great college prep school it really is. Because Stephen flew through University 515 00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:16,079 of Tampa like it was nothing. And I really think that it was the 516 00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:21,359 prep that you learned a McQuaid that really got him where he needed to be. 517 00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:25,480 But almost watching your parents prepare for cases and knowing what they went through, 518 00:32:25,799 --> 00:32:30,039 did you, I mean, that's almost like something you pick up I'll 519 00:32:30,039 --> 00:32:32,200 say by osmosis. Right, it just sort of seeps into your cells, 520 00:32:32,559 --> 00:32:36,599 but you're seeing it, and I don't know if that's a I would think 521 00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:38,680 it's more of an environmental and a learned thing than it is something that might 522 00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:42,160 be genetic. I don't know. But you saw that alone, right, 523 00:32:42,279 --> 00:32:44,519 Yeah? Yeah, we saw it at home. He saw it everywhere. 524 00:32:44,599 --> 00:32:47,319 Yeah. I mean, my dad will cross examine anybody. I remember I 525 00:32:47,359 --> 00:32:50,839 think a hundred dollars went missing from the table one time, and it was 526 00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:52,839 probably six hours after he set me down asking where it went. I finally 527 00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:55,039 admitted to it and it was in a shoe box that I headed in. 528 00:32:55,799 --> 00:33:00,519 So it's just pretty good. Six hours to hold. I sat there for 529 00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:04,039 a really, really long time, and I finally told him when he asked 530 00:33:04,079 --> 00:33:08,119 one more time. Yeah, well, well I knew it wasn't gonna stop. 531 00:33:08,519 --> 00:33:12,160 He's not, he's they're both pretty smart. It wasn't wasn't gonna go 532 00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:15,039 over his head, didn't just fallowed him midday. It just didn't disappear. 533 00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:19,440 So he was young though I was twelve. Yeah, the problem was he 534 00:33:19,559 --> 00:33:22,759 had given me inconsistent statements about what he's been doing that leading up to them, 535 00:33:23,319 --> 00:33:25,680 but he kept digging at that, and that was what kind of got 536 00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:29,319 to me pretty quickly. What was that? Was there any point if for 537 00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:34,240 you in living in that house right growing up, that you went, Oh, 538 00:33:34,279 --> 00:33:37,200 I kind of like this, I want to do that. I never 539 00:33:37,359 --> 00:33:38,559 really went with them to court. When I was young, I went to 540 00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:45,160 University of Tampa originally as maybe a marine biologist major, and I just didn't 541 00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:46,920 enjoy any of the classes. So I decided to take political science, which 542 00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:51,680 is nothing like law school, and then I sat for the ELSA and I 543 00:33:51,799 --> 00:33:53,119 decided that I wanted to go. And once I got to law school, 544 00:33:53,119 --> 00:33:57,559 I did thoroughly enjoyed the first year, although be it very hard, but 545 00:33:58,319 --> 00:34:00,319 like as a kid though, right you're in mc wade McQuaid was, uh, 546 00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:04,119 you know, it was kind of you had to find your spot right 547 00:34:04,319 --> 00:34:06,480 where you fit in. And it's all guys, so it makes it a 548 00:34:06,519 --> 00:34:08,760 little different and no one's there to impress a girl. But there is a 549 00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:13,239 king of the jungle mentality in there. And did you ever use any of 550 00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:16,000 that cross examination on anybody to just kind of prove them wrong, bring them 551 00:34:16,039 --> 00:34:21,280 around almost in a socratic method to their owns. My friends would say so, 552 00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:22,880 most of my friends would say so, I think that's pretty funny. 553 00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:27,360 I think that's good. What have you learned about humanity is in the practice 554 00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:30,679 of law? What do you mean by humanity? By humanity like when you 555 00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:37,440 you're seeing people and I'll say people at their Damien mulconry. Uh, you'll 556 00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:42,679 see people at kind of their scariest or scared moment. But but you know 557 00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:45,119 a lot of times too, I think one of the things that we're often 558 00:34:45,199 --> 00:34:49,599 told not to do, especially in today's world, does not judge. And 559 00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:53,039 I'll always step back and go, well, okay, if we if we 560 00:34:53,599 --> 00:34:58,320 came from animals, I just watched a rabbit run from a fox that's a 561 00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:00,079 judgment right there, you know what I mean, there's a little bit of 562 00:35:00,079 --> 00:35:04,199 a chase. But at the same time, I do think that there is 563 00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:07,320 this idea that you were kind of all one right. You know. When 564 00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:09,760 I was a young lawyer, I was a little bit of a bone in 565 00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:13,239 a china shop. When it came to being a prosecutor, I did it 566 00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:17,079 for twelve years and a very fine judge whose name was Rainbow, and I 567 00:35:17,199 --> 00:35:22,559 was a young da military hair cup. I just wanted to do put people, 568 00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:25,000 put everyone in jail. I would. I was a little bit more 569 00:35:25,039 --> 00:35:28,639 aggressive than I should have been. And one day called me to his office 570 00:35:28,679 --> 00:35:30,920 I didn't get along with at the time, and he sat me down. 571 00:35:30,039 --> 00:35:31,480 He said, Steve, you know, I just want to let you know 572 00:35:31,639 --> 00:35:36,440 sometimes good people make bad decisions. Yeah, And I waited and it was 573 00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:37,840 awkward because I was waiting for him. The finish shoes, you can leave 574 00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:40,719 my office. And before I could even roll my eyes when I turned my 575 00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:44,519 back to him, that like that hit me. So when you say about 576 00:35:44,599 --> 00:35:50,159 judging, what I've learned about what we do is sometimes we may see people 577 00:35:50,199 --> 00:35:52,519 at the worst, but there's good. Yeah, there's a lot of good 578 00:35:52,679 --> 00:35:57,639 right, and you can't judge one bad act or a series of bad acts 579 00:35:57,679 --> 00:36:00,800 to make somebody be completely awful the entire time. We also don't know what 580 00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:04,719 got them there. Yeah, I mean there's a backstory to so much of 581 00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:08,920 what we see, and it causes them to almost self destruct a lot of 582 00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:13,519 people, and there's there's sometimes they are very good reasons for it. Yeah. 583 00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:16,920 I always think too that there's a very base philosophical theory that everything comes 584 00:36:17,039 --> 00:36:21,960 from the light, the good, and then what we see or perceive as 585 00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:25,480 evil is just a privation of that good. Right, So if everybody comes 586 00:36:25,519 --> 00:36:30,199 into the world and and well we'll hear all these different things about you know, 587 00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:35,159 circumstances and and certain privileges and things. And yes, some people come 588 00:36:35,199 --> 00:36:37,679 into circumstances that are better than others. But I think at the end of 589 00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:42,199 the day, you kind of have an opportunity to get ahead if you play 590 00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:45,280 the game right. It's just learning what the game is. And sometimes the 591 00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:47,280 people that are teaching aren't the circus. It's somebody, you know what I'm 592 00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:52,320 saying. We're trying to refocus. Yes, yes, so people maybe because 593 00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:57,400 people get caught and they don't they can't see the walls around you know, 594 00:36:57,559 --> 00:37:00,679 over the wall around them, and I can let's let's refocus you, let's 595 00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:04,239 redirect you in this direction, and we'll get around the way. I don't 596 00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:06,840 think go through it. Just gotta get around it, climb over it, 597 00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:09,280 especially with divorce, because when people are getting divorced, I mean it's you 598 00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:13,400 think, when you stand at the altar and you marry someone, it's a 599 00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:16,760 forever thing, and when you get divorced, you're breaking up a family. 600 00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:22,480 Oftentimes kids are going to be separated between two households. It's just a it's 601 00:37:22,519 --> 00:37:27,559 such a bad time for so many people, and they don't see the future 602 00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:30,199 and the good in the future. So it's kind of helping them get to 603 00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:35,159 that. But when they initially come in my office, I mean they've been 604 00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:37,719 on the floor crime before. I mean, people are just at their absolute 605 00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:40,519 saddest, saddest point in their lives. And we both came from divorced family, 606 00:37:40,599 --> 00:37:45,400 so we saw the good and the bad of co parenting and try to 607 00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:49,159 get to that place. Like my wife's parents, they're friends, the in 608 00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:52,480 laws, the x is, they're all friends. And it took a long 609 00:37:52,559 --> 00:37:54,679 time for my parents to get there. But It was mostly because I told 610 00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:58,559 them, I want you to be like her parents. They could sit in 611 00:37:58,679 --> 00:38:01,639 a room with actually like metal utensils. We had to get my parents like 612 00:38:02,039 --> 00:38:07,119 you know, last oh, early in the day. I think at our 613 00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:10,239 rehearsal dinner they were in different rooms. And during the birth of our first 614 00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:14,880 child, at least I think they were in different and we finally said enough 615 00:38:15,199 --> 00:38:17,000 because it's a lot. And you think, you know, you're passing that 616 00:38:17,119 --> 00:38:21,480 down. It's a generation as you now, so you're making it instead of 617 00:38:21,519 --> 00:38:23,440 it just being about you, now it's about your grandchildren. Your children, 618 00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:25,639 you're great, how are they? Were? They responses that, I mean, 619 00:38:25,679 --> 00:38:30,159 that's that's almost the younger generation teaching the older generation. Now. Sometimes 620 00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:32,039 it doesn't fly as well. Well. My father in law was tough. 621 00:38:32,119 --> 00:38:36,039 He was an entire police officer. Took him a little time to ben but 622 00:38:36,159 --> 00:38:38,079 now he's a real SOFTI yeah. But it was funny because Merrily said, 623 00:38:38,119 --> 00:38:39,960 oh, we're gonna want the dinner tonight, Oh my dad and my mom. 624 00:38:40,119 --> 00:38:43,840 Like, you mean your dad and your stepmom, he goes. She 625 00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:45,000 goes, no, well you mean your mom and your stepdad? Shehes, 626 00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:50,239 no, not the dinner room. My dad my mom and their husband and 627 00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:53,320 wife. I go in the same room, the same restaurant. Yeah, 628 00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:55,320 and she's like, yeah, I go, that's the craziest thing I've ever 629 00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:58,960 heard. Are we gonna sit the same table? She was, yeah, 630 00:38:59,599 --> 00:39:01,639 okay, let's see how this goes. Yeah, and it probably went fine. 631 00:39:01,679 --> 00:39:07,639 It was they were my father, my father's new wife, his her 632 00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:09,079 ex husband, drove him to a surgery. I mean, they all hang 633 00:39:09,119 --> 00:39:14,519 out, they traveled together. It was there. They're all very It wasn't 634 00:39:14,639 --> 00:39:16,519 that is somewhat unique. It wasn't at the time. He's right, but 635 00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:20,679 it has gotten way better. It's very mature. I mean, look, 636 00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:22,800 they put the kids first. Well, see, that's the thing, and 637 00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:27,440 that is always the thing, and that's when Marrily's dealing with her matrimonial clients. 638 00:39:27,519 --> 00:39:30,639 Yeah, you know, we stress the children are the biggest asset in 639 00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:34,719 any relationship, right. Well, they try, I mean, they they 640 00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:37,440 try to put their kids first, and they think they're putting their kids first, 641 00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:38,760 but so often, as you said, you're not really seeing the reality 642 00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:45,000 and people are so triggered, and you know, well, I always think 643 00:39:45,159 --> 00:39:49,199 like, since you bring that up, not seeing the reality of your of 644 00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:53,320 your situation, what's going on over here, Swiss brain, sweet nothings across 645 00:39:53,360 --> 00:40:00,800 the table. I think that's great for him to see, right. No, 646 00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:02,599 No, nonepends on the time and place. I don't know, but 647 00:40:04,039 --> 00:40:07,599 what I was gonna says sometimes beyond like everybody, if you had two people 648 00:40:07,639 --> 00:40:09,320 they went to the same party, right, one person leaves and says, 649 00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:12,960 how great they what a great time, it was wild, it was this, 650 00:40:13,079 --> 00:40:15,519 and the other person was just miserable. They were miserable when they walked 651 00:40:15,639 --> 00:40:19,079 and they left not having a good time, and trying to see things from 652 00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:22,159 a one perspective, is impossible that it can't happen. I mean, if 653 00:40:22,199 --> 00:40:25,519 something could happen in this room and a half hour later, I think maybe 654 00:40:25,599 --> 00:40:30,239 all of us may have a slightly different interpretation of that, which is really 655 00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:34,360 complicated when it comes to I would think what you practice in criminal defense, 656 00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:42,599 but with matrimonial law and all these there's do you ever advise beyond the courtroom 657 00:40:42,599 --> 00:40:44,599 stuff? Do you ever say to somebody, Hey, here's a counselor I 658 00:40:44,639 --> 00:40:49,039 would say, talk to or here's somebody's advice, or maybe something for your 659 00:40:49,119 --> 00:40:51,880 kid. I don't know. Does that is that overstepping No? No, 660 00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:54,599 no, no, that's so much. And I think sadly we're a bit 661 00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:58,920 a therapist as well. I mean I started tell clients I'm not your therapist. 662 00:40:59,039 --> 00:41:02,639 You don't want to pay my really rate for therapy, but you absolutely. 663 00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:06,000 I mean the very first thing I do is ask if their kids are 664 00:41:06,079 --> 00:41:09,000 in therapy, provide therapist names if they're in therapy. Everyone going through a 665 00:41:09,039 --> 00:41:12,320 divorce needs a therapist. I don't care who you are, right, I 666 00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:15,320 don't care how well you think you're doing. There are things a therapist can 667 00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:19,960 assist with, especially just through the transition. How do I just transition from 668 00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:23,800 being coupled to being single? How do I transition my children from being coupled 669 00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:29,159 to being single? And that is of paramount concern in my practice. Yeah, 670 00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:32,280 that's it. Those are I gotta think tough conversations sometimes for people to 671 00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:35,920 hear I don't know how much they are to say. I mean, it's 672 00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:37,519 part of what you do. But I think for people to hear that stuff 673 00:41:37,639 --> 00:41:39,760 is got to be so I hate to say. I mean, do you 674 00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:44,159 have a stock and cleanex or anything? Right? So I tell people I 675 00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:47,360 do. I say, I have stock and and we have so many boxes 676 00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:51,320 and before people even start talking, they start crying, you know, So 677 00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:53,159 it's h yeah, we go through a lot of all. Right, So 678 00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:57,960 there's both of you in terms of that stuff. It's heavy shit. So 679 00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:00,000 what do you do to get away from it all? Because I've I remember, 680 00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:06,400 like early on a pediatrician saying to me, hey, you should go 681 00:42:06,559 --> 00:42:09,519 to therapy because one of the boys was sort of on the spectrum and there 682 00:42:09,559 --> 00:42:12,880 was a lot of therapy and different diet, right, And he's like, 683 00:42:13,199 --> 00:42:16,480 you can't be good for anybody else if you're not best with yourself. So 684 00:42:16,639 --> 00:42:22,679 here you guys are hearing some really tough things from people and what they're dealing 685 00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:25,480 with. What do you do to get away from it all? So I 686 00:42:25,599 --> 00:42:30,280 think self care is so important yea, And actually it's so important to not 687 00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:32,679 get you into the position of having to come see Steve or I because I 688 00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:36,920 think of self care is so important. I mean, if you're not happy, 689 00:42:37,159 --> 00:42:39,159 nobody around you is happy, right, right, So, and that's 690 00:42:39,199 --> 00:42:42,719 something you have to figure out. But I think that comes with age. 691 00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:45,239 I sadly think young people will just run themselves into the ground. They give, 692 00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:47,719 they give, they give, they care too much about youth is wasted 693 00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:52,400 on the young, Wasted on the young certainly is so for us. I 694 00:42:52,519 --> 00:42:57,280 know for Steve and I, exercise is crucial for our mental and physical health, 695 00:42:57,320 --> 00:43:00,320 and that is we have to both do that every single day. But 696 00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:05,000 other than that, downtime, I mean, I really try hard when I 697 00:43:05,119 --> 00:43:09,519 travel to decompress, turn off my phone the best I can, and spend 698 00:43:09,599 --> 00:43:15,039 time with my my friends and family. But also I do like to shop 699 00:43:15,079 --> 00:43:19,559 for purses and shoes, but those are my my downtime things. I'd agree. 700 00:43:19,559 --> 00:43:23,119 I mean, we do persons shoes. She don't know, she just 701 00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:25,679 persons And she was like, no, I don't even know. That started 702 00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:29,760 long before you know what I think. There's like, so there's a mall 703 00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:31,960 in the there's a mall. There's a store in the issue mall. It's 704 00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:35,280 not not purses, but it's it's sneakers, right, So a lot of 705 00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:37,639 people are now getting into what they call the sneaker game. I gotta think 706 00:43:37,639 --> 00:43:40,800 there's gotta be resale market for these persons. You have no ideas so actually 707 00:43:42,079 --> 00:43:45,760 pursues the one zie in vest and are actually worth way way more than my 708 00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:47,119 But I can buy him and flip him and wait, make a lot of 709 00:43:47,159 --> 00:43:50,880 money, I'm sure so, but are always in the sneaker game. He 710 00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:54,199 has a ton of pair of collectible sneakers. When you're young, do you 711 00:43:54,199 --> 00:43:58,000 ever go out to the plug the plug? No, I've never seen the 712 00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:00,800 plug. The plugs in the Eastue mall. And that's it's that they do 713 00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:02,840 some people on consignment, you know. And I didn't realize there's a new 714 00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:07,920 pair of Jordan's every week. Every week they put on a new Nike puts 715 00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:10,119 on a new pair of Jordan's. So in Soho when you walk around, 716 00:44:10,159 --> 00:44:15,400 they queue outside of Nike when a new release is going to come out, 717 00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:17,320 and there are a couple of other places like that they do the sneakers and 718 00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:22,000 they queue in you know, long long lines to try and get these, 719 00:44:22,039 --> 00:44:23,679 and then of course they then they put them up on the resale market and 720 00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:28,159 make a few bucks. I have a friend who buys, will buy as 721 00:44:28,199 --> 00:44:30,119 many as he can, and he'll go to the outlets in Toronto, maybe 722 00:44:30,199 --> 00:44:34,079 Waterloo, other places if he's in New York or if he's emen out in 723 00:44:34,199 --> 00:44:37,679 California, and he'll sit on him for two years and then sell them. 724 00:44:37,079 --> 00:44:39,679 I mean, he pulled in here once just to show me he has a 725 00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:45,920 Mercedes Bes suv. The whole back trunk and back seat, we're all filled 726 00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:49,239 with boxes and sneakers. And he was coming back from Toronto. We actually 727 00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:54,320 went to sneaker con Steven and that all really Yes, Wow, they have 728 00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:59,079 anybody famous there? Do they bring anyone like any athletes in or anybody who's 729 00:44:59,079 --> 00:45:01,079 pitching? Now, they had people who designed shoes for ask. Okay, 730 00:45:01,199 --> 00:45:04,039 like I got a pair of shoes from a guy who'd made a bunch of 731 00:45:04,079 --> 00:45:06,679 shoes from Michael Jordan and a bunch of basketball players. How do you know 732 00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:09,400 that Steven? I mean pictures with him and he was holding the shoe with 733 00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:14,159 Michael Jordan. You needed him to cross examine? Yea, How tall is 734 00:45:14,199 --> 00:45:15,199 he? What's he looked like? What's his favorite team? Who is it 735 00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:21,920 harder for to bring someone home you or your sisters to get meat to get 736 00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:23,079 him home? No? No, no, no, no. Let's say 737 00:45:23,079 --> 00:45:27,760 say you bring home a boyfriend or girlfriend and you've got to cross examine. 738 00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:30,800 I'm gonna I'm gonna guess that it's probably harder for your sister. Yeah, 739 00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:32,199 on dent from my sister. But I've been with the same girl for eight 740 00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:37,719 years, so she's actually gonna be she's our summer associate as well, and 741 00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:40,519 she'll be coming in and doing what I do, doing matrimonial really, so 742 00:45:40,599 --> 00:45:44,480 Steven will be doing what Steve does and Kylie will be doing what I do, 743 00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:46,719 and they're both gonna be great as the next generation coming up. And 744 00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:52,400 then your daughter who went to is gonna do medical wall she'll medical male practice 745 00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:54,519 and stuff. Yeah, her boyfriend was just drafted by the Yankees, so 746 00:45:55,119 --> 00:46:00,199 we'll just see where he goes. He's there, they're both Does she meet 747 00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:01,440 him at the university? Second one? So she went off to college, 748 00:46:01,519 --> 00:46:07,320 great baseball school. Yeah, right, but they he is a right handed 749 00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:13,199 pitcher. His father actually played professional football for the Jets in Tampa Bay. 750 00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:17,159 He was the center for Joe Nameth, his father's seventy two Because he's not 751 00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:22,400 his first marriage, gotcha, but this young guy first semester, so I'm 752 00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:27,519 not dating anybody through college, forget it. Within three months she met this 753 00:46:27,679 --> 00:46:30,079 kid and they've been together ever since. So he's a great kid. We 754 00:46:30,159 --> 00:46:31,239 love him. Actually, he puts up with a little one. Little one 755 00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:35,000 should we call her a little one because she was the youngest. Yeah, 756 00:46:35,079 --> 00:46:37,280 three kids in three years. Like, where's the little one that I think 757 00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:39,920 my favorite story that you told me about little one was when she went whipping 758 00:46:40,039 --> 00:46:45,079 down on the bike and out without the helmet on, almost got around a 759 00:46:45,199 --> 00:46:46,760 car. Yeah, she would have been dead. But then I think, 760 00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:50,119 kind of put you on your heels. Yeah, I chase her down in 761 00:46:50,199 --> 00:46:52,239 my car, my convertible. I had a little BMW pulled up next. 762 00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:54,840 First she stops. She looked at me. I said, little one just 763 00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:58,039 came on the driveway around the car. He would have been hit by cars, 764 00:46:58,159 --> 00:47:04,159 goes I don't like to be followed. She tore off merrily. We 765 00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:07,159 got a problem. We have a problem with the five year old. I 766 00:47:07,199 --> 00:47:10,440 don't know what we're gonna do. She's been that one. Is fiercely independent. 767 00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:13,559 She was going to be a lawyer. I knew right then she was 768 00:47:13,599 --> 00:47:15,519 going to be a lawyer. Yeah. This big kid, Kate Austin, 769 00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:22,079 he's six foot four two forty. Shit's about ninety five miles and hours got 770 00:47:22,119 --> 00:47:24,639 an unbelievable change up. Gets drafted by the Yankees on a Tuesday. He's 771 00:47:25,039 --> 00:47:29,480 in Tampa on Thursday. He's been there since for about a month. We 772 00:47:29,559 --> 00:47:32,119 were listening to this is he in single A. So he's in rookie. 773 00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:37,519 He should be on the Tampa Tarpans, which is the low single A team, 774 00:47:37,159 --> 00:47:40,880 before the end of this season. The coaches yesterday how great he's doing. 775 00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:45,400 And he's a cool kid. But Tampa is a great little city too. 776 00:47:45,559 --> 00:47:49,440 Yeah, Tampa's an interesting city. That's where my college roommates son just 777 00:47:49,559 --> 00:47:52,559 got into the University of Tampa. He took a buy out from his company 778 00:47:52,599 --> 00:47:55,199 and they're building a house not close to the school, but they want to 779 00:47:55,199 --> 00:47:59,519 be out of here anyway. And there are other daughters in a senior next 780 00:47:59,599 --> 00:48:04,320 year in so they figured they're just selling it out. Tampa has become incredibly 781 00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:07,599 popular, especially this area. Yeah, I was like clear Water from that 782 00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:12,559 area. But yes, Tampa it's a cool city. Yeah, I hear. 783 00:48:12,599 --> 00:48:15,719 If you get a boat down there, it's great. Here we go. 784 00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:17,440 No, I've see Steven tells all these stories that I always loved it. 785 00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:21,039 I found that to be so impressive. I have to tell you, 786 00:48:21,159 --> 00:48:23,119 honestly, I really found that impressive. Not to bring up anything. And 787 00:48:23,119 --> 00:48:27,199 I hope you don't get like some kind of okay, Yeah, it's okay, 788 00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:30,679 it's been fighting. Actually, I got a new boat now. You 789 00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:34,840 do. Yes, okay, well you fish and and you make money fishing. 790 00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:37,599 I have made money, yeah, yeah, yeah, what what is 791 00:48:37,639 --> 00:48:43,599 your do you prefer deep sea freshwater? It doesn't matter any all freshwater freshwater? 792 00:48:43,719 --> 00:48:45,679 Yeah, okay, you didn't do anything when you were in Tampa down 793 00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:49,719 on golfer in freshwater boat and I drived all the inland lakes in the area 794 00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:52,239 because they have great pass fishing. So really, yes, how many alligators 795 00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:57,159 did you see? Yeah? I mean were like birds at that point. 796 00:48:57,280 --> 00:49:00,119 So my brother had worked he was an economic forecast for Disney for a little 797 00:49:00,159 --> 00:49:04,559 bit, and I remember going down there and I mean just in a pond 798 00:49:04,679 --> 00:49:07,880 behind his condo, right there was stuff. Yeah. Yeah. He used 799 00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:12,960 to send me all the there'd be articles of people dying by alligators, being 800 00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:15,400 eaten by an alligator. So one day I sent them back an article of 801 00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:16,760 a guy getting hit in the head with a golf ball and dying, and 802 00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:21,800 he just responded and said, touche, that was that? Every day? 803 00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:23,440 Does he have his life check it on? Is he watching out for the 804 00:49:23,519 --> 00:49:27,679 gators? Yeah? Well you never know. Those things are prehistoric. Yes 805 00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:30,880 they are, they are, and they're they're they're they they Trapp you'd even 806 00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:36,000 know it. Bambush you, right, and by ambush you could sometimes. 807 00:49:36,079 --> 00:49:40,480 I remember being in in the Jacksonville a y sat Saint Peter and Saint Petersburg, 808 00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:45,480 Saint Augustine, and uh. We would go down there and my parents 809 00:49:45,519 --> 00:49:47,440 were teachers, and I don't know, we would weld drive down, which 810 00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:51,440 was like torture, right, But then we would go and there was a 811 00:49:51,559 --> 00:49:53,199 dock that went out on a lake and we see an alligator sunning itself. 812 00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:55,400 My father says, hey, let's see how close we can get down to 813 00:49:55,480 --> 00:50:00,320 it. So we start walking down and the thing jumps up and turns and 814 00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:02,519 goes into the water. My father turned around and he's pushing it. I 815 00:50:02,519 --> 00:50:07,559 thought he's gonna run me over. He's pushing me back, screaming it. 816 00:50:07,679 --> 00:50:10,119 I mean, they moved so quick. They moved so quick, and you 817 00:50:10,199 --> 00:50:13,559 know, you think of the tragedy that happened at Disney with that, I 818 00:50:13,639 --> 00:50:16,400 mean, then you know, on a nightmare. And yet I don't know 819 00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:19,480 what they I mean, they have no fear. I was playing golf one 820 00:50:19,559 --> 00:50:22,480 day and I was playing pretty well in them. I hook a ball a 821 00:50:22,559 --> 00:50:24,440 little left and there's water, and I know there's water, and the guys 822 00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:27,239 I'm like, well, maybe it's on the water. I know it's in 823 00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:30,000 the water. I was fit to be tied. And I get up to 824 00:50:30,119 --> 00:50:35,280 the water's edge and I can see my ball and it's about four feet into 825 00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:37,480 the water. And I'm not paying attention. And if I had not, 826 00:50:38,039 --> 00:50:40,400 if I'd brought my clubs with me, it would have gone right in. 827 00:50:42,039 --> 00:50:44,840 And when I went back, I saw there was an alligator about three feet 828 00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:45,719 just staring at me. So now I got a mess with it. So 829 00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:51,880 I take one of these rocks that's good size, bigger than a softball and 830 00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:53,519 maybe the size of a volleyball, and I throw it up in the air 831 00:50:53,719 --> 00:50:57,719 perfect not towards it. I did know it's towards it, and I hit 832 00:50:57,800 --> 00:51:01,039 the I hit this alligator right on this snow. And guess what the alligator 833 00:51:01,119 --> 00:51:05,480 did. Nothing. Yeah. I'm like, Peta is going to be honest 834 00:51:05,559 --> 00:51:10,800 tomorrow. He loves the animals, yea. And I'm like, it didn't 835 00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:15,000 even move. I'm like, any alligator purses in that closet or no shoes? 836 00:51:15,239 --> 00:51:17,719 We did. We did get something held in customs. On the way 837 00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:22,000 back from Italy, one of my leather jackets was made from a python. 838 00:51:22,119 --> 00:51:28,840 I did not know that. Wow, they why would they hold that though? 839 00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:30,679 Because it's a danger. Yeah, so it had to go back for 840 00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:36,039 appropriate papers. But if you travel, I just learned this with anything exotic, 841 00:51:36,119 --> 00:51:39,199 so exact purses, belt shoes, you actually have to bring that documentation 842 00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:43,000 with you or they can take it when you go into a different country. 843 00:51:43,079 --> 00:51:45,760 You're kidding, Oh, I'm serious. I had no idea. Man, 844 00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:50,920 somebody's got some nice stuff in there. Terrible, that's like it. It 845 00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:53,719 didn't really. I think that that was a great trip Italy. If yeah, 846 00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:59,280 where'd you go? We started off when in Teamina in Sicily, which 847 00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:02,800 was beautiful. Yeah, and that's like you know what, No, I 848 00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:07,239 wouldn't go back to Sicily. I think my wife would either because Sicily literally 849 00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:08,880 is like you've seen the Godfather. It's a desert with some green but it 850 00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:12,760 was beautiful and the food was off the charts. And then from there we 851 00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:15,039 flew to Rome and had spent three nights from that's just a big city. 852 00:52:15,119 --> 00:52:19,960 Was beautiful history, but the history there to do it, you gotta see 853 00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:22,920 the history. I mean literally, you're going by a new building next to 854 00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:27,760 a building that's you know, hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of years old, 855 00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:30,840 and then they're sifting right next to that for ruins, right, I mean 856 00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:34,320 never, you know, you're not. It's unbelievable. From there, we 857 00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:38,199 went to Florence and that was our favorite. I could live there forever Lawrence 858 00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:42,800 was. Florence was off the charts. It's in Tuscany, the wine. 859 00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:46,000 I was gonna fin minus way. The city's beautiful, it's old school, 860 00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:49,840 I mean, it's we stayed right there was. It was the greatest trip 861 00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:52,800 ever. Now it is nine hours by airplane and as you probably guess, 862 00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:57,039 I don't only sit still, so I'm not probably never gonna do it again 863 00:52:57,599 --> 00:53:00,599 without good really, oh god, my wife just want to Spain without me, 864 00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:04,000 and my mother just went to Spain last year. Or love. Yeah, 865 00:53:04,199 --> 00:53:07,679 I've been to a coast of Del Sol in Madrid I loved. I 866 00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:12,280 went to Marbeia, which is down at the southern tip. That was ridiculous. 867 00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:15,280 Yeah, it's beautiful next to Rod Stewart. I have pictured that. 868 00:53:15,559 --> 00:53:19,199 Really, it's where the wealthy of wealthy of Europe go to play. Yeah, 869 00:53:19,239 --> 00:53:22,559 it's probably like Monica, although I haven't been to Monica, but it 870 00:53:22,639 --> 00:53:27,719 was unbelievable, sat next to Russell soon breakfast you did. Yeah. The 871 00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:31,920 place I stayed was called the Marbaia Club and it was unbelievable. So wow. 872 00:53:32,119 --> 00:53:35,679 Yeah. Then I went to Barcelona, which I liked to Barcelona a 873 00:53:35,719 --> 00:53:37,760 lot. It's interesting, see, I mean there's I always thought Barcelona, 874 00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:42,239 like we're at two o'clock. The whole city seemed to just get so quiet, 875 00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:46,559 look of mostly if they rolled to sidewalks and everybody takes a nap. 876 00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:51,199 Yeah, but the city like now I went. I was fairly young, 877 00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:55,079 and I didn't see the city come alive again until almost eleven pm. So 878 00:53:55,400 --> 00:54:00,239 when I was at dinner every single night. First of all, I'm in 879 00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:01,880 bed by eight, so going to dinner at ten, which was really not 880 00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:07,199 easy for me. So you know, people are literally sitting with their little 881 00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:10,599 kids at twelve midnight, right, but they've gone to bed and had a 882 00:54:10,639 --> 00:54:14,440 snack at six, you know, and then they've It's a very different and 883 00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:17,119 I don't know if it's a healthier lifestyle. They're all thin. They're all 884 00:54:17,199 --> 00:54:22,079 thin. They seem to drink a lot of walking and drinking of wine and 885 00:54:22,159 --> 00:54:25,599 things, which isn't as bad as some of the stuff that we probably consume 886 00:54:25,679 --> 00:54:30,400 here, and the food is certainly not as processed. But I don't see 887 00:54:30,519 --> 00:54:35,360 that overwhelming drive to you know what I mean anything, Well, you know 888 00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:37,719 what I'm saying. And I don't know if that's a fair statement or not, 889 00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:40,159 but it feels that way when I'm s So. Our oldest is a 890 00:54:40,239 --> 00:54:45,280 teacher at Mercy, Okay, and she and her boyfriend loved traveling. Yeah 891 00:54:45,480 --> 00:54:46,840 and so, and she's a history teacher, so she wants to go see 892 00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:52,079 the history that she's teaching. So they've spent eight weeks abroad spending They were 893 00:54:52,159 --> 00:54:57,000 in Portugal, Spain, Bali, and now Singapore and then they're coming home. 894 00:54:57,280 --> 00:54:59,679 Wow, that's why I went to Spain to meet up with them. 895 00:54:59,719 --> 00:55:04,039 They're very well traveled and they stay at really inexpensive Airbnb, some that didn't 896 00:55:04,039 --> 00:55:07,440 even have air conditioning, like it's one hundred and something there, But you 897 00:55:07,519 --> 00:55:12,800 know it is. It's a totally different lifestyle and they love it. I 898 00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:15,519 mean, they love the sitting back at four o'clock in the afternoon and taking 899 00:55:15,519 --> 00:55:19,480 an app Steve and I want to die when we go travel. I mean 900 00:55:19,559 --> 00:55:21,639 when we were in Italy, we lived like a what can we do from 901 00:55:21,679 --> 00:55:24,960 four to seven, right, it's a different thing. Yeah, it's funny 902 00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:29,280 because my brother did. Uh he did a lot of cool stuff. He's 903 00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:32,360 my younger brother, but he did things backpack through Europe, had studied abroad 904 00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:37,920 over in England and then went down into Italy and Rome and wound up in 905 00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:42,599 a private audience with the Pope by just oh yeah, yeah, yeah, 906 00:55:43,039 --> 00:55:45,639 which was like a big deal because are you know, coming from a big 907 00:55:45,719 --> 00:55:49,199 Irish Catholic family, that was a big deal. And then uh, so 908 00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:52,559 he's the favorite, you know, I gotta say, I think so Maryland 909 00:55:52,760 --> 00:56:00,199 because he did some really cool stuff, like he went to uh he went 910 00:56:00,239 --> 00:56:02,400 to flight school. Originally he had been flying planes around the same time he 911 00:56:02,440 --> 00:56:07,519 got his license. Then he went to Indiana State for flight school. Hit 912 00:56:07,599 --> 00:56:09,880 a wind, shear hit something else. He goes, I don't like this 913 00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:14,440 anyway. Our uncle was a pilot for Delta, lived in Park City, 914 00:56:14,559 --> 00:56:17,719 and so we had you know, it was all that stuff. He liked 915 00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:21,800 flying planes, but felt like they were he could do more. He wanted 916 00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:23,519 to do more stuff, so he left. He went to the community college 917 00:56:23,559 --> 00:56:28,480 and lived at home. Hated living at home. Finagled some deal through the 918 00:56:28,519 --> 00:56:31,199 Community College to go and study in England, and he went over to Cambridge 919 00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:36,639 and then and was there and then traveled through Europe, came back, went 920 00:56:36,760 --> 00:56:43,719 to Cornell through their Labor Relations school, their labor school, and then wound 921 00:56:43,880 --> 00:56:49,840 up being a negotiator for contracts with the Fire and Police Department New York City. 922 00:56:50,199 --> 00:56:52,719 I think it was I think it was Mayor Dinkins at the time, 923 00:56:52,679 --> 00:56:57,039 and uh somebody. They were celebrating thirty years of doing that. My brother, 924 00:56:57,079 --> 00:57:00,039 good, I can't, I cannot do this. So he bought a 925 00:57:00,119 --> 00:57:04,000 bike, sickle bicycle, went out to Seattle, hung out with a friend, 926 00:57:04,079 --> 00:57:08,239 and then found all these books about biking back and he had trained for 927 00:57:08,280 --> 00:57:14,719 about a month and biked from Seattle to Virginia. Come on, how long 928 00:57:14,840 --> 00:57:19,000 is a book about bike? So there's well, tells you where to go, 929 00:57:19,320 --> 00:57:23,559 there's tells you where to go? Where to But he said to me, 930 00:57:23,679 --> 00:57:25,400 goes, look, I didn't even know how to change a tire on 931 00:57:25,480 --> 00:57:29,519 the bike. He goes, I learned all that stuff. There were hostiles. 932 00:57:29,599 --> 00:57:30,920 He was all that. So for a long time he wanted open hostiles. 933 00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:35,800 Then he went and got his master's at Albany in economics and then became 934 00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:39,559 a forecaster at Disney and knew that was only going to be for a finite 935 00:57:39,599 --> 00:57:43,400 amount of time, but had a lot of fun down there and that his 936 00:57:43,519 --> 00:57:46,880 wife and then uh wound up up in Kenny Buck. Yeah, it is 937 00:57:46,920 --> 00:57:51,400 pretty cool. They are all the different paths. One last question for I 938 00:57:51,480 --> 00:57:57,119 guess both of you you have helped people kind of at at their lowest moments, 939 00:57:57,400 --> 00:57:59,760 So I would think that you got to have both of you have to 940 00:57:59,800 --> 00:58:01,880 have a certain level of strength, you know, to be able to do 941 00:58:02,039 --> 00:58:09,159 that. What scares you? No, No, I was letting I know 942 00:58:09,320 --> 00:58:13,440 you were, but I looked over merrily and she's like, I don't think 943 00:58:13,480 --> 00:58:16,239 anything. I don't think anything. Do you know what's funny? I probably 944 00:58:16,280 --> 00:58:19,639 had a lot of fears when I was younger. I've had a fear of 945 00:58:19,719 --> 00:58:22,039 flying, out of fear of my health. I had a fear, you 946 00:58:22,079 --> 00:58:24,039 know, all those things, and as I've gotten older, I really don't. 947 00:58:24,239 --> 00:58:29,480 The only thing I fear is things I can't control still, so you 948 00:58:29,559 --> 00:58:30,039 know, I mean, I don't mind the flying. I don't want, 949 00:58:30,079 --> 00:58:34,079 but yeah, you worry about other p your family's health, your parents, 950 00:58:34,239 --> 00:58:37,880 right, But other than that, I really have no fears. Yeah, 951 00:58:37,039 --> 00:58:40,760 I would think that that's probably the best way to live. And I always 952 00:58:40,760 --> 00:58:45,320 say to my kids with certain things, is you can go down the road 953 00:58:45,719 --> 00:58:49,360 of a million different scenarios of what could happen, but you don't know, 954 00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:52,800 So why burn calories doing that? And control what you can control. And 955 00:58:52,920 --> 00:58:58,239 what you can control is how you feel, what you think, your attitude, 956 00:58:58,480 --> 00:59:00,840 You control those things. Everything. This is gonna better. So and 957 00:59:00,920 --> 00:59:02,480 that's it. And if we didn't learn anything from COVID, it's yeah, 958 00:59:02,559 --> 00:59:07,639 that's we can control, Like, how did we handle the moments when we 959 00:59:07,719 --> 00:59:10,480 were scared during that period of time? How did we stay happy? Popped 960 00:59:10,559 --> 00:59:15,079 up? You know? Yeah? And positive? That that's really important. 961 00:59:15,360 --> 00:59:21,400 That's pretty deep. Yeah, nothing, not deep, actually honestly got And 962 00:59:21,480 --> 00:59:22,400 this is going to sound a little corny, you know what I fear. 963 00:59:22,599 --> 00:59:25,400 I'm I'm the luckiest man in the world. Yeah, I've got a great 964 00:59:25,480 --> 00:59:28,719 wife, a great family, a great job. I think every time I 965 00:59:28,800 --> 00:59:30,159 see you say something to that, do you realize it? He says that 966 00:59:30,199 --> 00:59:34,599 about you every time he sees you. Two he's so I'm not I'm not 967 00:59:34,679 --> 00:59:37,880 even trying to just say it to blow smoke up his ass, which has 968 00:59:37,159 --> 00:59:40,440 no bearing for me at all. But I would just say that every time 969 00:59:40,559 --> 00:59:45,679 that has stood out to me as to how complimentary he is about you. 970 00:59:46,239 --> 00:59:50,079 Every day he tells me how beautiful I am, smart, great, I 971 00:59:50,199 --> 00:59:52,920 love it. I have so many friends whose husbands don't do that. You 972 00:59:52,039 --> 00:59:55,280 don't, They don't champion each other that way. Yeah, but I think 973 00:59:55,320 --> 00:59:59,760 it's a genuine thing, and I think the consistency of it tells you that 974 01:00:00,079 --> 01:00:04,800 yeah, sorry, no, it's nothing. You mean me to marriage apologize 975 01:00:05,159 --> 01:00:08,079 that it's not not my place at all, necessarily didn't work for me. 976 01:00:08,960 --> 01:00:13,320 I fear. I fear when it's all gonna be over right, Yeah, 977 01:00:13,320 --> 01:00:15,679 I get older, my energy level's gonna drop. Yeah, and that's that's 978 01:00:15,679 --> 01:00:19,840 scary. Here's anti aging doctors. Now, don't worry about like that's like, 979 01:00:19,960 --> 01:00:22,519 that's what I don't want to get over. No, I can stop 980 01:00:22,599 --> 01:00:24,760 right now, be good. See, Okay, So that's the thing. 981 01:00:24,800 --> 01:00:28,199 It's like I always think that that's an interesting statement, because I go, 982 01:00:28,320 --> 01:00:30,840 you never want to stop going through time. You don't want to experience things, 983 01:00:30,920 --> 01:00:35,599 You want to keep going right. You just don't want it to end, 984 01:00:36,159 --> 01:00:38,239 right, And there's got to be a way in some infinite way, 985 01:00:38,800 --> 01:00:43,400 Like I I have these weird beliefs that like we're all energy, so energy 986 01:00:43,480 --> 01:00:45,840 is infinite, that you can't destroy energy. I don't know what happens. 987 01:00:45,880 --> 01:00:51,760 That's my same. Yeah, that there is no anything and most of the 988 01:00:51,800 --> 01:00:53,719 stuff with you know, I think there were great teachers on earth, and 989 01:00:53,920 --> 01:00:59,559 not to get to her, but like you know, Jesus was the wonderful 990 01:00:59,599 --> 01:01:01,719 teacher. There were great lessons and there were many things that I always thought, 991 01:01:01,800 --> 01:01:05,400 like going back through the Bible. You know, my my parents were 992 01:01:05,679 --> 01:01:08,400 pretty Bible based, and uh, I remember going back to the Bible, 993 01:01:08,440 --> 01:01:10,679 and I thought there are certain lessons in there, like you know, go 994 01:01:10,800 --> 01:01:15,320 forth and tell no one. And the reason is because they're just gonna put 995 01:01:15,360 --> 01:01:16,360 doubts in your head. So if you really want to do something, go 996 01:01:16,480 --> 01:01:20,320 forth and say nothing. You know, I mean, because just think about 997 01:01:20,320 --> 01:01:21,800 it. You know, all of a sudden, he puts your ear back 998 01:01:21,840 --> 01:01:22,960 on you. Yeah. Right, you have a week. It's gonna fall 999 01:01:23,000 --> 01:01:27,360 off. Believe me, man, I've seen this happen before. Negativity breeds. 1000 01:01:27,360 --> 01:01:34,559 Now keep your success right. The last said the better and everything that. 1001 01:01:34,960 --> 01:01:37,880 Steve and I disagree, disagree that why what do you mean I always 1002 01:01:37,920 --> 01:01:39,920 talk. I don't, I've I have no secrets. Well I don't. 1003 01:01:39,960 --> 01:01:42,719 I don't mean it like that. I'm just saying, like, when you're 1004 01:01:42,760 --> 01:01:45,800 gonna do something before someone comes in, Like if you were gonna go all 1005 01:01:45,800 --> 01:01:50,039 of a sudden YouTube you decide, hey, we're gonna be circu and circu 1006 01:01:50,639 --> 01:01:52,440 Right, I'm sure there are people going, but come on, husband and 1007 01:01:52,559 --> 01:01:55,840 wife working together. You guys are gonna kill each other. And I would 1008 01:01:55,880 --> 01:01:59,639 think that that kind of stuff. That's what I'm talking about. So keep 1009 01:01:59,679 --> 01:02:02,159 that's so you don't have it in your world until you need it. You 1010 01:02:02,840 --> 01:02:06,320 can't. You gotta just you know, grow in silence. Yea, our 1011 01:02:06,440 --> 01:02:09,800 family at Bosa don't do that. That's the dumbest decision. Every decision that 1012 01:02:09,920 --> 01:02:13,840 I've ever made, somebody would have said it was stupid, right, terrible, 1013 01:02:14,079 --> 01:02:15,519 right. But you got to make the decisions you think are best for 1014 01:02:15,559 --> 01:02:17,920 you. Uh huh. Has anybody ever come back and said, wow, 1015 01:02:19,199 --> 01:02:21,719 I was wrong? Oh my got my father. I love my father to 1016 01:02:21,800 --> 01:02:25,079 death, but whoa, that's huge man. I'm sorry advice he's ever given 1017 01:02:25,119 --> 01:02:28,119 me. I've done the exact opposite. And the way you said, you 1018 01:02:28,199 --> 01:02:30,840 know you're wrong, on that and he you know, it's it's unbelievable. 1019 01:02:30,920 --> 01:02:35,000 When you know you're going to be successful or you're gonna you want to get 1020 01:02:35,000 --> 01:02:37,599 to a certain point, you just do it. Yes, yeah right, 1021 01:02:37,880 --> 01:02:39,400 that's the drive in the hustle. But to have your father come back, 1022 01:02:39,599 --> 01:02:44,599 yeah right. Dad's are proud and they're very protective of their daughters and they 1023 01:02:44,639 --> 01:02:45,880 don't want to you know, and they want to be right. There's something 1024 01:02:45,880 --> 01:02:54,639 about being right. Oh my gosh, Steve that shot there. That's all 1025 01:02:54,719 --> 01:03:00,920 right. We'll end on that shot. How's that? Thank you? Circu 1026 01:03:00,039 --> 01:03:17,199 and Sircu. You can find them online at Circu law dot com. 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