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all of our shows add free. Okay, Mike, big direct that happened
happened this week between our two shows here that we do each and every week,
and so we're going to discuss it here. We already discussed it pretty
much like we went beat by beat on a game mess morning. So I
figured, instead, why don't we just kind of talk about our overall feelings
and what we're happiest about all that stuff. Why don't you go ahead and
start Oh yeah, I think I think that's a good approach, share because
it did kind of start off like a slow direct. I'm what was that
very first thing? Oh, it was Pokemon Deals, and then there was
yes, some other stuff that Sonic Superstars and like quantities and exactly I was
like kind of getting a little little nervous there, but gosh, it kind
of turned around fast. Then. Then the format for the show was kind
of here's like our big announcement that's very exciting, and then here's kind of
some filler for a bit, maybe not so exciting, and here's another big
announcement and filler. But the big announcements were really cool, and the new
stuff we got to hear about was was was super fun. But even you
know, I mean, the big attractions here are Mario RPG remake, which
as much as I freaked out, Jeff and I freaked out a lot,
I wonder how much I would have freaked out if that rumor wasn't spreading like
a weekend. I know, I yes, I was. Will it happens,
like, oh my god, it's here. Had I not known,
I would have yeh. I think I probably would have been like fewer because
there was some One of our listeners was saying, I forget, who's sorry.
They're mentioning that they asked us about this at some point, like do
you think they'll remake Mario RPG? Back when we were complaining about not being
nso we were both like nah, Yeah, like that would have been my
stance. Yeah, of course they're going to do that. Yeah, so
yeah, I just would never have thought it possible. But man, I
mean you could watch that the John Bond reacts. As soon as I heard
that music, I knew what it was and I just lost my mind.
I don't know if I think the closest to me forget that much was when
we got the three D Kurby game. You know, when that was announced
back when they had last time. I popped that hard. But man,
that is just still just so exciting, and it looks like they're absolutely nailing
it. You got that super squatching, crunchy Mario, a little Goblin,
got all the boys in there. They showed just this is a great trailer.
They know what the highlights of that game are, and we got to
see a lot of them very excited to play through this one again. And
then the other picks there. Yeah, two D Mario make that interest thing.
It looks like they're making it interesting. Yep. It it looks like
they are making choices, strong choices. There's been a lot of great stuff
of people like looking at the animation for Mario and when you do compare it
to the New Super Mario Brothers stuff, which someone has done for like a
lot of his like key movements, just like the butt stop or whatever.
The butt stomp in Wonder is an actual, like visual stylistic choice of his
butt coming down and big starting. But what's that stylistic but his stylistic butt
coming down and sparks shooting off of it and stuff. Yes, he grunts
and grinds that, buttu and it's like, oh man, it looks like
it's making an impact New Super Mario Brothers. As good as those games feel,
and I do think they feel pretty good, it feels disconnected looking at
what Mario is doing his but he just sort of comes just the sprite or
the three D model just falls down and doesn't really have any oomph to do
it. And that's and for Wonder everything works that way. It all looks
like it's so well thought out and it just looks gorgeous. I really am.
The more I watched that trailer, and I've watched it a bunch of
times now, the more and more I am into it. I love two
D Mario as much as I like three D Mario. I know you have
your preferences for three D Mario. Sure, but I mean, obviously I've
ever even people who will love three D mar More still love two D Mario
for the most part. I think that for me this was just like,
oh I am I am going to be super into this. This is reigniting
a passion for two D Mario that I sort of put to the side because
it felt like we weren't going to get one ever really, and I'm now
I'm glad that we're getting this and it looks so good, right, you
know, Yeah, I do like the three D Marios more more, but
I still like two D Mario games, right, But you know, the
stagnation of the new Supervirio Brothers series is sort of part of like where that
you know, gap lid in For me, so seeing this looking a lot
more just thing, I'm just how many different playable characters there are two?
You know, I mean, my mind races like, okay, so obviously
Mario and Yosi have that special interactional or Mario can ride Yo. See,
They're going to be sort of other interesting ways characters can interact with each other.
Specifically, how is Daisy going to control differently from Peach because we never
really played her in a game I was four. I mean, the fact
that Daisy is in there is really cool. Yeah, just gosh, just
a lot to be excited. But this is the perfect holiday game. We've
been wondered for a long time, what's the big holiday game. Obviously,
you know, we got similar things like like Mario RPG, but this is
clearly the flagship. I think it's going to be pretty strong one. Yep.
I am very much looking forward to this. This one is this is
the October release, right October twentieth. It's the same day as a Spider
Man too. I remember, yes, in that so in that range,
that is okay, fantastic. So I thought the second half this year was
already kind of getting pretty built up. It was not as heavy heading as
the first half of this year has been. And now it's getting more and
more filled out, and there's games I'm looking forward to every month for the
rest of the year, and a lot of times like like October, it
is there's multiple games I'm looking forward to. And that comes that's coming weeks
after the biggest game in the world in Starfield, So just gonna be NonStop.
It's just yeah, man, I mean it's looking more and more like
we are just gonna get to like the December and just be talked about this
was an all time great year. I mean because you know, like stuff
like this, there's there's a very little chance that this game is gonna be
bad. Even the new Super Mario Brothers games, despite like yeah, like
you said, the law of the staleness there and like the met visuals there,
where's there are still good games. This has the ability to be an
amazing game. And Mario RPG was just a remake of MARIOPG. Like again,
just looking at how what they're doing and knowing what game that is,
like, well, that's gonna be great. There's very little question there.
So yeah, I am just excited quick um this uh, this is the
image I was talking about that has those comparisons, right, And I mean
you just see there's so much more deliberate and it's like the the crouching one
here is like the most obvious. Where in the new Super Mario Brothers games
he just crouches and here he's like pulling down on his hat so much.
It's like there's so much more character there, just the facial expressions. And
that's like some people are like, oh I wish it looked more like those
like manual illustrations at least to have right now what it looks like. It's
pretty close. I mean, I think it's a video game interpretation of those
ideas, sure, but it's definitely informed by that kind of Mario and the
way he like the way he's he's an animation. Actually his run animation there,
like look at the like the sprint from New Super Mario. By this
way he's leaning forward, he's doing the Naruto run. The one from Wonder
is much more just like he looks in the instruction manuals in terms of just
like that happy stand up run. Yeah and again that but stops, same
thing. The hat falls down over his eyes. Uh. It just looks
so good. Just the expressiveness in general, it's a it's awesome. Gosh,
I'm excited for this, Kenn. I'll wait, yep, me too.
Uh okay, so more Super Mario RPG. Uh I am. So
we did talk about how like, oh that's um okay, here's what I'm
wondering. I think it looks great idea. I have seen small backlash in
terms of people saying I like the way the original looks, which is something
I completely can appreciate always happens. I mean, you ultimately were like that
with Links Awakening, and well I came around Awakening, it was like,
that's something different, and that's okay Advanced Wars. I'm like, I almost
I definitely prefer the original here. I'm like, I think they are doing
a pretty strong interpretation of the original art style and it works really well for
me. But I get if it doesn't work for everyone else. Yeah,
I mean I don't know, so, yeah, that's fair. But I
think for me this is maybe actually just a straight up upgrade. I mean,
you do, forget how jagged looking a lot of those We're going to
just make, as you know, Soco graphics models into sprites. Look,
it is a look, and it was cool at the time. This is
such a faithful translation of that. Anyways, I don't really have any problems.
You know, maybe some day too, I'm going to be like,
oh, like the original better for this or that it some sense too.
It's almost not even about that, Jeff. It is just about this game
being new again. Knowing people are going to be playing this game and talking
about it again, right, That's like a big part of the excitement.
Yes, and I mean, they definitely are trying to do exactly what you
said, like a straight up upgrade, like that's what they're going for.
Let me see if I can get this open image in new tab. This
is what it looks like. I'll move it down a little bit, move
it down real quick. You see it better, So it looks this is
what the new one looks like. And for people who are listening on audio,
it's set up exactly like the characters were on the original cover. Yes,
it's the cover art and you can see it. Like I think that
it probably would have been the wrong decision to go for exactly these silicon graphics
models that are on the cover of Super Mario RPG. I like them,
but they I do not think these actually play to a wider audience in twenty
twenty three. What we're actually getting feels like a smart interpretation of those models.
I'm glad. I'm glad that like they're letting Mario even be different,
Like he's off model from like New and from Wonder and from everything else.
Here he squatnched here just like he looks in here, and it's like okay,
so they're still like letting Nip stand out on its own. And then
I think Mallow and Gino looks so good. They look so good that I
kind everything else falls into place for me, Like that's really kind of where
it all comes together for me. So I'm I'm very very happy about Super
Mario Arpuci, a game that I've always loved, and apparently special Nick has
known that they were remaking this forever and didn't tell me about it. So
I think I'm pretty I'm pretty mad at my boy Nick over there. You
know. He says he just didn't know that we cared, but uh,
he should have known. He should have known. You should forgive you,
Nick, or forgive you an I don't know if I do. I don't
know. Let me forgive you, and my forgiveness is the only one you
need. God here right malow Gino? Like there was a Gino fan render
going around a betigo that looks good, you know, basically almost looks like
this. I'm ere a thinking man. God, I wish that was real,
And just like Pinocchio, my wish came true. He's a real boy.
Damn, he's a real boy. Um so God, I'm talking um
so Okay, those are the two games that I kind of needed like I
said on Tuesday, if I get those two, I'll ship my pants.
And I needed those two games for that. This director really really pop off.
They delivered. They're coming this year. Um, I'm very very happy.
The rest of the director is kind of whatever. It doesn't need to
be anything more than what it was though for me. Still some cool stuff.
That Penny something something from the Sonic Mania people. That three D platform
that looks Penny's a Breakaway, Penny's Big Breakaway something like that. Yeah,
so that that looks really cool. There's that go I'm on Inspire game that
was only in the jet and needs to direct that right, you know that
that is exciting. I mean, I don't know why. I'm just excited
about it, but I'm very excited about the idea of playing metal Gisslid one
and two, and you know, even the original version of three. Very
glad they had a switchstead of like holding onto it for years like they sometimes
do with these things these companies. So right, getting it like the Batman
one like took forever to come out, right, you know, we we
got that look at Pickman four we wanted, and we got the surprise drop
of Pickman one and two. I think Star Ocean second story are that looks
awesome HTT very cool looking. I think that every time I see HD two
D, I'm glad it's not just one interpretation of HTT two D. It
feels like they have different ways of applying those ideas depending on the game.
And what they're doing with Star Ocean's second story is fantastic. It looks so
intriguing. Yeah, I'm very very excited for that. So, yeah,
there's there's a lot to be exciting. Again, most of the stuff is
actually this year. I think Penny's Breakaway or whatever is actually twenty four,
right, right, four, And then there's like, you know, the
Princess Peach game and we didn't hear very much about and right, so these
Dark Moon next year. Yeah, Like I asked Jan today as we were
kind of wrapping up more Thantendo direct thoughts, and I'm wondering what you think.
Do those feel like they need to announce them now so that they are
on the books when they when and people know they're coming, so that when
the next Switch successor gets announced and starts taking up all the oxygen in the
room, people are like, well, we already know there's more Switch games
coming, that's those two and then they don't get lost in the shovel shuffle
of switch to announcements. Do you think that's what that's happening there, or
it's just this is just them getting out ahead of it for some other reason
maybe, I mean, you know, and like that Princess Peach game,
I think looks good, it could be really good, but does have something
of a very late release feel to it. And and I think I pointed
up before one of the last three DS games was a Luigi's Mentioned One remake,
right, so that feels very similar over here. I mean, yeah,
this this is probably the last big director we have without at least a
mention of new hardware. I feel like, and I'm not saying Next is
gonna have like a big blowout on that stuff, but it's going to start
feeling weird now if we don't hear it. Could it could very well like
the Next it could be in a world where Nintendo has mentioned it, Like
maybe it doesn't get mentioned specifically in the direct, but like it will be
looming larger because we'll we're probably gonna have a conference call with investors where it
gets brought up more explicitly, or they could start doing the actual teases.
And you know, the the the ongoing rumors that haven't changed all year is
that they are going to at least mention the next device before the end of
this year. What does that mean. I really really don't know. I
would expect it to mean something similar to what they did last time, which
is a teaser trailer that comes out this year and then sometime next year we
get the full blow out of them actually revealing what the system is and how
it works. So well, we'll see, but it does feel like,
yes, those games are wrapping up the switch and they kind of felt obligated
to do something with them now, even though it seemed too early for them
to be talking about them the way that they presented them, because other things
are going to force their hand. So yeah, that's that's where wrap and
that makes a lot of sense where where we're at with this so right,
and there's like certain games that have been ruined for a bit that we haven't
seen that I now kind of do expect for switch too. I think Metro
Prime four it is maybe a switch to probably a switch to game at this
point, and I think that the next three D Mario is almost certainly a
switch to game, If not a switch probably a switch launch game like that.
You know, it's so important them I think to have some kind of
big launch game. It certainly isn't going to be Zelda. It's not going
to be a two D Mario. So I think it's very likely that that's
what the three D Mario teams. But up to whether that's like somehow a
Donkey Kong related project also, I don't know. But whatever they're working on,
I bet Mario is a part of it, and it's going to be
a launch game. That sounds right to me. Any other thoughts about the
Nintendo Direct, Mike, you kind of went through and touched on all the
big games that I wanted to mention, So I'm good. A lot of
two D platformers. It's so very fun that we're gonna have that Sonic game
and Mario Wonder come at the same time and Disney Illusion Island, so a
lot of two D platforms for switch. A black card Vinyl who who watches
our stuff and follows us on Twitter and post some fun stuff. But he
did a TikTok I saw where he explained that Mario Wonder Sonic Superstars and Disney
Illusion Island all have four player co op, and all of them are local
only. There is no online co op for any of those games. And
it's like that is a weird and a little bit frustrating trend, especially when
it feels like online connectivity between for games like that have gotten to the point
where it should be like easy to pull off, not easy, it should
be a much better experience than it's ever been before. I remember we tried
to do Super Mario three D World a multiplayer with that, and there was
such a delay in everything that it really made that game feel very frustrated to
play. Yeah, I remember, no one had a good time. Actually,
no one had a good time. But it's like, you know,
do we go play games like street Fighter six? And obviously they're not going
to do net code like street Fighter six, but it took a while for
Capcom to get really good at this. Still though, it's like, we
know it's possible. I don't want them to keep trying to make it work,
but it feels like the trend is going in the other direction. I
don't know, what do you think about that? Yeah, sort of least
for this console, it does just feel that way, right, especially for
non fighting games. It's a bit of a bummer. Um personally, It's
just not gonna impact me too much if I play those games online. It
is probably gonna be a people locally, so I'll be okay. But I
understand people's frustrations there. Hopefully I can't. We always say it until the
next system will be better with some of this stuff. But I'm even sure
if its system related, that may just be developer related. It feels like
it's just people are think these companies are making choices about where they're investing their
time and efforts, and that they think it's not worth it. And it's
one thing for like the Disney Illusion Island team, which maybe is in a
giant team. Uh weird that you know Nintendo and Sega can't have online multi,
especially when they you know, Nintendo at least has done it in the
past, and it's kind of like, man, this is the next big
two de Mario game. Can't we get it there? All right? I
guess not online because there's like six playable characters now right mage I've had six
players support to host. That would rule that would be a nightmare, and
it would rule um okay, So that's the Nintendo direct. If you have
any questions, Sorry, Sandwich Jones. Maybe John Drake made that game in
a cave the scraps, Oh big, I'm gonna yell that just so out.
It was like with no context. The next time I see John Drake,
like fifty times, I'm gonna yell at Glad that line became a meme
because like the first time I saw that, it was like, that's really
strong delivery of that line. That was the line I kind of like was
so rattling theater. I definitely liked the looking one of those ones that I
just like yelled at myself randomly when my brain is like just barely firing in
the morning and I'm like trying to like my brain's like, oh, just
latch onto something from your memory. I'd like, here's a fun line.
Yeah, um okay, So that's a Nintendo direct. If you have any
more questions though about it, you guys want us to touch on any of
the other subjects or any of the other games that was one of your favorites
that we missed. Hey, this was super chat. We'll get to it
before the end of the show. Other stuff is happening this week, including
Xbox Series X and game Pass price increases. So fun, I'm gonna do
this for memory. Game Pass is going up from ten to eleven dollars,
ultimates going up from fifteen to seventeen. The Xbox Series X is going up
around the world, with some exceptions which include the United States and like Chili
and a few other countries. Yeah, what are you gonna what were you
gonna say? Nothing? What do you what made you think I was gonna
say something? You just you just took an intake of breath like you were
getting ready to say something. Um, and then I was just needed to
breathe. Weird, that's unfortunate. Um, seventy dollars for Ultimate Matches,
the price of PlayStation Plus Extreme whatever the fuck it's called the top tier one.
Um the eleven dollars for the base version of Game Pass. Uh yeah,
I guess that makes that's like a one dollar extra. I don't really
feel that too much, but we knew this was gonna come. Everyone knows
that prices go up for everything. I'm sort of at a point where I'm
like, yeah, this kind of makes sense. And yet if you feel
like that's too much, you want to cancel, you should just cancel.
Why wouldn't you go ahead cancel? It's like there's any like you don't lose
anything. Really, Yeah, you lose access to those games, but if
you want to play them, just resubscribe or buy the games that you're messing
out on. It's just it feels like, Okay, if they're going to
raise the price, I will be a little bit more conscious conscience about when
I am letting my subscription renew. And I think that's completely fair. I
don't know, how do you feel about it? It's hard to say,
because like it doesn't happen to us, and I almost have survivor's guilt at
the US always does exempt from a lot of these price increases for some reason.
But we are getting a price increases for game Pass and game bad they
have of the console. Yeah, I mean, look at you're right,
that's happening everything, and it does kind of suck. And also, I
don't know, I met this with so many of these things right where I'm
trying to balance my being upset with Also it seems like everybody's having a hard
time making money from everything, and of course it's like, oh, well,
you know, look at those billionaire CEOs. Can we maybe take from
that instead? That's not going to happen. So I understand everybody's frustration.
There's no way they spitted to a good thing. I guess no, it's
it's it's a price increase like those always a su price increase, and that's
that's bad. Yeah, it's bad, and it's they but they've happened on
everything, so I think I'm patch the point of being surprised. It's it's
like, oh, yeah, of course this is going to happen. Um
Bailey said, you know uh in chat Bileague Moon the price increase made me
realize how litt'll actually use game Pass and cancel it. That's always I think
the threat. Yes, you're going to have a lass subscribers who aren't thinking
about it very much maybe, and as soon as you increase the price and
make them think about how much am I actually using this exactly? Think that's
where it can get a little dangerous. Yeah. I think they know that,
and I think that they are willing to accept that that risk because Starfield
is coming, and I think they feel very confident about Starfield. I think
that's what is reflected by all this stuff because you know, they they're doing
this between E three and the release of Starfield, and they're doing it as
all this FTC stuff is happening. Clearly, they're just like, this is
the best move for us to make the most money going forward. And I
you know, that makes sense because of what they've said repeatedly, which is
we've pretty much saturated what we can do with game pass on console and that's
where the price is going up. PC game passes stay in the same price,
So they are looking to make money from the console audience while continuing to
gather new users on PC. And yeah, that makes a lot of spense,
especially when we know Starfield is going to actually move a significant number of
it's irresponsibly large. Irresponsibly large. Yes, So that's the other thing that
happened this week is the FTC versus Microsoft court case about the injunction. The
courtroom drama was part of this. There was a video where TAM was interviewing
Pete Hines. Yeah, and they like Tam was up there multiple times,
which is a very fun um. You know. The big takeaway here is
they are finally putting their executives out there to make the arguments we've heard all
along. The FTC is taking the position that we we kind of knew what
would they would take, but it still feels a little bit odd because we
know that Coal of Duty isn't really going to go exclusive, but the FTC
is arguing you said you wouldn't or basically like you've said some stuff along the
lines of, oh, maybe we won't make all the stuff exclusive with Bethesda,
and now all that stuff is exclusive, and it's like they never said
they wouldn't do that, really, but the FTC is just kind of using
that as an example, and so they're like, okay, so you're gonna
do that a Call of Duty. Even Jim Ryan has like now been shown
to say he knows that that's not going to happen, and like a private
email, he's like, this isn't an exclusivity play. They're not going to
take Call of Duty away from PlayStation and even if you know, no matter
what, we're going to be fine, and he's like, we're gonna be
better than fine. So it's like in his private emails, that's what he's
saying. If the FTC is kind of continuing to have to pretend like this
is something that could happen, and you know their arguments they're making are are
you know, effective to a point because they're talking to people like Pete Hines
and saying, hey, like, why are these games that you know when
you were an independent publisher came out and everything Now they're just on Xbox?
And what about this email where internal what you say said, hey, why
is call of duty get to be a're gonna acquire a call of duty and
that's going to continue to be on everything, but we're told we have to
keep putting stuff on Xbox. So internally Microsoft people are still having conversations about
these things. They don't have one consistent answer, and the FTC is trying
to exploit that. But in the end, we know Call of Duty is
not going to suddenly go and not be on PlayStation anymore. They're just not
going to do that. So the FTC's got to argue against reality a little
bit, and it's it seems like it's gonna have a tough chance overcoming that.
I just wonder, like, what is the who's the burden of proof
on? Is the burden of proof on the FTC to say that is something
that like will definitely happen or is the burden of proof on Microsoft to say
we are going to promise not to do that in the future. And I
guess that's going to determine actually what happens with this court case. Did you
follow it all today, Mike? Were you like looking at people tweeting from
the zoom call or whatever, fixing the tweets and it's you know, it's
a bit of back and forth mud slinging and not that you know, there's
there aren't facts in there. It's a little juicy, like seeing these private
emails, like Booty said, fuck right, you know this is I still
just don't know which way it's going. I really don't, so I am
kind of just sort of sitting over here waiting to like get the word on
where this is actually going. Of course, because we are getting so much
insider sort of communications, and because these executives have to answer truthfully, they
are I think most of them are under oath. I guess I don't know
exactly how that works. I don't pretend to be some courtroom expert. But
they are seemingly answer and truthfully when asked about things like Indiana Jones. They
are telling truth that they have not said elsewhere. For example, Indiana Jones
is going to be exclusive to Xbox, and it wasn't originally even through the
acquisition, going to be on PlayStation as well, and Microsoft renegotiated that deal
so they could get it exclusively on Xbox. It's like, oh, okay,
that's a pretty big change and a pretty big move. So it makes
some sense that game was so far out that it was going to be long
past that window of when it like felt right for games that that was working
on beforehand to they'll be going to PlayStation. Uh And but yeah, I
think that also probably doesn't help Microsoft's case too much. But I don't at
this point, who cares about that Indiana Jones exclusive to Xbox. Yeah,
I don't know. If it was that, Does that do anything for you?
Does that make it sound like they're going to give it extra love?
Oh? I mean, I don't know about extra love. I think that
I think all the bethetics stuff is gonna be getting a little extra love after
Red Fall. I think that's right. Yes, sure, So, I
mean there should be a lot of love going in today Indiana Jones game,
regardless of what platforms it's releasing on. They also at some point just I
forgot it was an Emo or what where they just straight up said they're expecting
new consoles in what twenty twenty eight is when we'll get the next up,
which is like about right, that's what eight years and that's kind of the
life that go. We're on now, Yeah, I think so it was
eight years for the PS the Xbox three sixty, right, was that eight
years? Um? I'm trying to not try to think Xbox three sixty was
two thousand five to when of the Xbox thirteen was eight years? So and
then the next was like seven is years because they were way underpowered, and
I think they went a little bit faster. So it's because because twenty twenty
right, so it's twenty thirteen to twenty twenty, So seven to nine years
feels like the time frame that we're in for these these console cycles now.
I always think it's funny when people are like, well, it's gonna be
five years soon, we're gonna get new console. It's like you still think
we're on like that. Games take longer than five years to make now exactly,
Yeah, but people are still likes took it had five years and then
I got a Super Nintendo it's like, how do you What the fuck are
you talking about? What are you talking about? So I understand that it
we kept that cycle for so long. Sure almost felt like something that had
to be right, but like we've almost been out of that site, that
that cycle for as long as we were in it, Like that's it's fine.
Yeah, it's crazy. So yes, seven to nine years, um,
it feels right. Twenty twenty eight is probably actually when we do get
the new consoles. Yeah, there's mid gen refreshes seem likely or possible at
the very least. I began to think they're a little bit more likely now
that I'm getting all these thirty frames per second game Before I was like no
way. Now I'm like, oh, Sandy, that's kind of where I'm
at two now, because it's like, oh, now here we are and
they couldn't solve they could selling promising sixty franks per second and I would show
up before I was like, what is the pitch going to be? Like
a k blah blah blah. No, I mean the pitch for the beginning
with sixty FPSA it turns out, well that was maybe just I don't want
to say a lie, but lie adjacent. That would be the actual sixty
FPS console for at least for the next few years before the next one comes
out, and with the cycle continues. I guess so, yeah, Indiana
Jones won't become the PlayStation. Is the short version of that? H's that
second? I'm sorry, but beefamorite chests is Jeff, look me in the
eye and tell a switch to in twenty twenty five? Now? Can I
just go ahead and say, I actually think it'll be insane if a switch
too does look about twenty twenty four. I don't think they can wait till
twenty twenty five. No way. I think it's coming out in late twenty
twenty or now. But it's Nintendo, and who knows. Y five just
seems irresponsibly long. Yes, I mean persisted that it still very good games
to me up, but it seems like it must be reaching me this This
direct felt so much like stamp on the switch. Now we've gotten the message
out about the games we need to get messages about for the switch out there.
We can begin to shift now in a really strong way. And it's
like doing doing that now and then waiting until twenty twenty five to actually launched
that thing that feels crazy. I don't think that's going to happen. I
think we are on the road to WrestleMania. We're on the road to a
new switch. Okay, those are the big stories I wanted to talk about.
I don't know if there anything else in this past week that stuck out
to you, Mike that we should hit up before we move on. Hey,
that fire Umboom Gameboy Vance games. I don't know. So he went
live happens whereas we went live. They always that always is how it works.
It's usually not right stuff. Maybe Babe, it haven happens. Yeah,
I think you're right. I think's always before Game of Science, right
nine o'clock. That's when NSO stuff happens for some reason. Fair enough,
it's like we shof Wednesdays. So in just a tradition, Okay, we
are going to come back, and when we come back, we are going
to do another game draft console draft. This time we are going to do
for portables, starting with anything that has game Boy in the title. So
we'll get to that, and don't forget all these super chats, Chef,
we should do that, and then before we of course, before we do
that, we'll read all the super chats. We have a Bob game.
I think we might have a Bop game, but we have a Bob game.
We'll do that as well. All Right, we'll get to all of
that right after this and we're back, Mike, I would like to hear
some super chats. Okay, big Jimbo Ryan says, how dare you say?
I have no riz observed? Hey, guys want to go play old
Boomer games and do karate in the garage. I also have pods, even
the alf one that's a lot of riz jet. You know what I think?
I just got rizzed up by Jim Ryan. Yeah, I'll get this
jump. Mat says, Hey, guys, now that we know starfiels thirty
fps on console, are you more convinced that we'll get mid gen upgrades at
the places Fox series X. Yeah? I was very much like that will
never happen Starfield, and now you know games like Jedi Survivor and M sixteen
like not doing great in a performance, But I was like, oh maybe,
yep, it's like that. That's where im as well. She hearing
Miamoto says, they locked me in a dark room, and now they're making
games with characters that aren't toads of hats. Please get me out of here.
Chris Pratt. I'm scared. Maybe they were only able to do this
Mariarpati remake because Shigi was busy working with Illumination. He didn't know this.
That's my head, Cannon, That's what I choose to believe. Tally says
thoughts about today's FTC trial activision threatened to pool call to you from Xbox and
Jim Ryan's internal email feel like the tip of the iceberg. Wow, inappropriate
Titanic jokes having there, But um, I don't know. It's like,
oh, this stuff that seems like bombshells and these things, It's like,
is it our bombshell? Right? I don't know what Judge cares about.
I have no idea what they care about. Yeah, I still need to
wait and see what happens here. David Cash SHERPG says, best podcasts out
there plus amazing Summer Gamefest covers. Thank you guys for the great content.
Honestly, it's always a blast listening to you too. Thank you, David.
Cast appreciate it. Thank you so much. I really appreciate that,
David. Yeah. Next one is from elk grug So, uh, sorry,
you're just updating it threw off my tire line of site. Oh,
Gregson, So what's the tin of game September. I'm just asking for up
zero g X. It's almost been twenty years. Well, it's not we're
not going to get some surprise big in that they didn't announce of this thing
for September. They're just but not have anything from first party in September.
Like you have Pickman and what's that July or August, then you're gonna have
Mario Tudi Mario in October. There might be a little bit of like space
between those things. Yeah. Then Kacl says rarely get to watch this live,
grubbed it amazing at Summer Game Fest and Mike nice Feet, So what
are your thoughts on if a new two D Mario is a big game for
a Nintendo. Yeah, it absolutely is. I know there's like some people
like that's not a big deal. That Look, they treated the new Super
Mario Brother games like big deal, and uh they're worse than this, So
this is absolutely a big deal. Plus it's been a while anyways, even
before the problem with the new Super Mario Brother games was really that they churned
four of them out pretty quick, like two of them specifically came out so
close to each other. It been a long time. Now, do you
think that this game Super Mario Brothers? Wonder it's going to sell more than
twenty million copies? Twenty million? Let's you know what, let's make it
easier. Let's say that might include let's if a deluxe version gets released for
the next Switch. So deluxe, Yeah, that's very lifetime for this.
Twenty million. I think twenty million seems seems very likely. I think it's
very likely as well. What's hoddesty at now, like forty thirty eight something
like that, honesty, I think it is a procheing thirty million, thirty
million game a little bit as I thought. Yeah, I think so.
I think so too. And twenty million copies sold for a sixty dollars video
game is bigger than just about anything else in the entire industry. Nintendo's going
to think of this as a very big game there. Two D marios historically
have always sold way better than the three D morrows. I don't think that's
necessarily going to continue into the future. I think three D games have replaced
two D games because there's been a new audience coming up that has played three
D games their entire lives, and to them that's just as easy as a
two D game. But two D still has a huge appeal. Two D
Mario has a huge appeal. There's a wider audience than ever for Mario after
the movie and the theme park. I think this two D Marrow game is
a massive release for Nintendo. Yeah, Isaac Spencer says, thanks for all
you do. Pickman is back, baby. Yeah likes even though I know
if I was going to for some reason play Pickman game before Pickman before it
comes up, it should just be Pickman three. Part of me it's like,
I really want to check out what this Pickman won on switches, Like,
have you looked into that at all? Do we know if there's mets
should in the way of gameplay improvements and things like that in this switch version
of Pickman one. I haven't. I tried to look into it a little
bit. I did see that it's based on the Wei like New Game Control
Plus or whatever the fuck they called it, and it has HD graphics.
I don't know about like if they've ported the Pickman three Deluxe controls exactly to
these I'm really hopeful. It seems like the kind of thing that they could
do. Ye, nintend Derek says, seeing Mario and Spider Man the same
day upsets me as a huge fan of both game series. I can't decide
which one I'm going to play first. What is your recommendation? This is
a pretty serious problem. Well for a person named Ninten Derek, I think
maybe you'll be a little bit happier with Mario. I mean, I feel,
I don't know's It is kind of funny because I do kind of get
like Spider Man is like the biggest newest thing and it's like doing all this
crazy stuff and this is a two D platform. Yeah, I'm still more
excited or Mario at this moment. Yep, get Mario first. Ary Wolf
says, I want to shout out Raincode, which comes out in a week
or so, a spiritual successor to dangan Rumpa, and it looks amazing.
It'll get buried, but I'm hyped. We have a lot of dangan Ropa
fans. I know the community did like a big dangan Ropa like playthrough or
whatever when it hit game pass, and it was funny to see like just
that community grow in there. I would play it if it Apparently it's very
long, And when you find that out, I was like, I'm probably
not actually gonna play it. Yeah, I mean it's one thing for you
to do a visual novel, let alone a very long one. It's like
fifteen to twenty hours. That's not that long. It's pretty long. You
spent that long enough book. What's the difference for a book with pictures?
I mean, listen, it brings a lot of books. Yeah, these
days, I'm doing audio books because I don't have the attention span anymore.
So a big rope is an audio book, I'll fuck them. I'll suck
at that. It's an anime, like even better than an audio book.
How about a visual novel, Burrito says super Mario RPG was the first ever
RPG I played circa ninety eight and it was set out really high bar I
played it on a CRT in black and white because it didn't have the color
pin. Yeah. We make feels like a life coming full circle. Yeah.
Man, uh when I played Mario RPG, so mariop wasn't my first
RPG. We would rent a final Fantasy three Slash six a lot, and
I loved it, but it was a little much for me at that time.
I was probably like nine. And also we rented Momacy six because RPGs
cost a lot more. They were bigger carts in terms of memory. Yeah,
supp was like eighty dollars, right, Super Mario RPG was maybe a
hundred maybe you remember it was also expensive. It was a bit easier talking
to my parents into that though, because it was Mario, right, so
you know, they're at least rg that. I never really owned it.
I rented it one hundred times. Yeah, I don't get it done.
But yeah, so this was mart was the first RPG JPG or otherwise that
I beat, and uh, you know, I've been playing D's ever since
then. It was a very special game for me. So yeah, there
is like kind of this emotional historical tie to it that kind of gets me
going. Charter Wolf says, don't forget the metacritic results are soom boys,
that's right, we're almost done with the second quarter of the year. Jeff.
Yeah, well you're in chat right now. What was our scores for
um Final Fantasy something? Oh? I know that, because okay, you
got it exactly right. Metacritic is an eighty eight. Okay, eighty nine,
I guess in e t eight, let's go all right on the money.
How are we so good at this? We're pretty good at this?
God damn it. Col right, cool, it's cool, they'll go up.
It's already has one hundred reviews, so that's at eighty eight. I
don't know, I say, Jeff, rushing to write his review. Six
out of five, six out of five, let's go next one here is
from but yeah, anyways, well about i'll wolf thing. So I think
probably next week we will have like the full results for the quarter and see
who won the quarter and then get ready for the next one. Exciting,
okay, so exciting. If I'm doing well, am I doing? Okay?
Wolf, you can go on, Mike. I'm just you got it,
you got you got one on, you got a couple one. Think
it's probably pretty close, actually, so I'm not sure he's winning. War
Rizzle says, I never played Super MARIOPG. Should I wait for the remaster
or play the original on a CRT? The remaster looks like it's going to
be so faithful. I think it's okay to just wait for that and play
that. Yeah, and if you played the original and then you get the
new one and you're like, oh, I just I feel like I just
played this. I don't want to play this again. I mean, the
original is still great. I would just make sure you get the physical version
so you could sell it or you know, do something else with if you
don't actually end up playing it. Robot Jim says, when might we see
response Star Wars Shooter? You've talked about this before, Jeff, what's going
on? Yeah, it's a good, good question. I haven't really the
ESK because it feels like it's just far off. So it doesn't feel like
it's in the cards. Um, So I don't know, but I'll look
into it. It's probably a ways off though. Then kcals Back says,
you had grub grumblings of maybe something in July A ten that related. Do
you think there's anything there like a Pokemon Presents. Yeah, I still don't
know. It's the way I was a phrase to me was direct in July,
but the way it was also phrased it made it sound like it's not.
It wasn't a general direct. We just got that general direct. So
do they do a small partner showcase? Do they do. They have a
pickman for like ten fifteen minute thing. I guess all that's possible. I
really don't know. The one thing I say that I also that I don't
think it would be. But this is me just guessing. Is the hardware
reveal. I don't think I'm hearing about that. I'll like, I planned
to like check in again here pretty soon. Now now that we're passing the
director, I was gonna check in next week about it. I'll see what
I can find out. But for now, I'll say something probably will happen
in July, but clearly the direct was the thing that just happened. Oh
grug says, what's your top three meats? I don't know if it means
specific cuts are just animals. It's animals. It's very easy, just you
know, chicken, pork, beef, right, Like, I'm not much
of a lamb guy now, I don't like, yeah, if I always
get specific, you know, give me chick, chicken thighs um, pork
shoulder. I kind of like a good work, give me carnetas, give
me tereso U Tenderloin's very good, Teresa's nice. Filaming you on of course,
like yeah, yeah, filet. Yeah, big beef tenderline. I
want to I want to get I want to make a freaking uh what's the
call? And you get the beef tenderloin you wrap it in the pastry though,
be a beef Wellington. I want ye. I used to like corn
beef a lot, and I think I like, uh god, what's the
other kind of thing that's just like the other deli meat that's exactly like corn
beef at least a bit more. Uh yeah, now I'm blanking on that
for some reason. Goddamn thing. I love it too, But why can't
I It's it's more a strawma. Yes, I think it's just better.
I love for drama. Yes, yeah, thank you everybody. Yeah,
a strong as with bacon. Fantastic pork belly. If you cook pork belly
really well, that's incredible. Oh yeah, yeah that's goods it meets out
there. Ye all right, Jeff. That's for super chats for now,
guys. If you want to send in more super chats, we will read
this before the end of the show. Thank you all so much. There's
been so much support lately, everybody who really really appreciate it. Thank you
for watching and contributing. Yep, it's it's it's really nice. It makes
a lot easier to kind of keep doing the stuff. It makes it easier
to afford take a mike to Margaritaville as well. Maybe maybe Monday, I
would love that. Let's uh, I gotta give Steph an answer about what
we're doing on Monday. So if we figure that out tonight, that'd be
great. Um, Okay, let's see here. We are going to fade
to this scene so that we can do closest to the messy pen Volume eleven.
I get to stop talking now and hand it over to our friend Turbo
Sean. So you guys just never had a really good Euro or you just
not prefer it. I've had I've had lamb meat before, and I I'm
always like, this is okay, It'd be better if it was beef.
Yeah, I've had some really good lamb Euros with like that. But is
it minty sauce? What is the kind of the Yeah? And it's very
cucumber ee right. I like it when it's like all working together very well,
and I enjoy it. But I when I'm traveling and I'm like in
Eastern Europe and there's like a lot of like schwarma stands. I find it
my hit rate with just saying chicken instead of lamb is much better. It's
much better. So that's just where I'm coming from, what I'm thinking about.
Mostly I wham. It's fine. It's just not my top three order
around. At school we had we had a euroshop, like right down the
street, so I have them. Okay, yeah, if you had a
legit euro shop, that's different. Is good. Anyways, enough of the
meat talk. We talked about our meat way too much around. Here is
time for everyone's favorite game show with the podcast Closest to the Messy Pin.
We have volume eleven. Here a Bop original power by Matacrack presented by me
Turbo Sean. It's been a couple of weeks since we've done one of these,
so just to inform a people who may be new to the show,
these are the rules. Every round, you will be given a certified older
in ten years retro game the goals who protect the game's metacric score. We
will use a Closest to the Pin scoring system, so the score difference between
your guests and the correct answer will be tallied at the end of each round.
At the end of the game, the lowest total score wins golf rules,
baby, and if you guess the exact number seven zero, you deduct
five points for your total score. So some risk reward involved there. Now,
before we get into the game, our resident statistician Benji Bob has presented
to us some fun facts. After ten episodes. Oh, let's see this.
As of right now, the official record stands with Mike having four wins,
five losses, and one tie. Jeff therefore conversely has five, four
and one. I'm on the board as one and oh with the unofficial one
that me and Mike. Yeah, we peop who've played at least for four
or five games. I think maybe I'll be considered an actual contestant to one
of these days. Um, the average score per game meaning at the end
of the game, Mike actually doing slightly better at seventy Jeff. That's the
real stat No, well, I mean, listen, because that's easy.
That's average. That's what's the means. The average could be so thrown off
by one bad game. There was that one a thousand points or whatever something
the audio listeners won't see. Here At the bottom, he notes that he
tossed out scores from the Bowling episode happens off. That's fair, that was
no idea that way, and keeping that in mind, the average margin from
guests to actual score Mike sing at three point seven six, Jeff at four
point five eight. So once again Mike does slightly better on the average.
I guess, m but this plays into a total exact guess is Mike has
three Jeff has had eight. Problem. Okay, So when I'm right,
I'm really right, and when I'm wrong, I'm really wrong. Okay,
I could live with that for forty total points deducted from your overall scores.
Though, largest margin of victory was an episode seven where Mike won forty to
sixty six. That sounds like what happened right there, Yeah, a Star
Wars episode. We also threw things off a lot. Biggest whists on a
score Mike thirty and Jeff twenty four. Again, I think that might have
been from the Star Wars up. We both did this twice apparently, so
we both have been off by I've been off by twenty four twice. He's
been off by thirty twice. O, Mike, where are you frozen?
There? There you go? Yeah, Mike a little hiccup. Yeah,
he's back trying my camera. Sorry, I was just actually smiling in place
for a while. That's you know what. I like that better. Let's
go back to that. Most commonly guest score was eighty nine. You guys
guess the seven times, which I'm a little surprised it's been only seven times.
You guys do hover around there a lot. Uh, it's a it's
a good score. As a reviewer, I'll say eighty nine. It is
a very strong score. I gave biboleshock infinite in eighty nine. Do you
regret that one? Yes? Oh whatever, great, it's so much more
phils than ninety though. Oh yeah, no, I want to go the
other way. Yes, definitely, Oh absolutely. Uh. Number of times
Jeff has brought up the guests the same scores your opponent rule? How many
times they brought a time Jeff has actually used to guess the game same score
rule one. This is irrelevant. This who cares it needs to be there.
It's a fun fact. It's just a fun fact about your stupid rule.
A number of times I have blamed Bob for something I did wrong twice,
and number of times I tell you the scores wrong twice, but he
knows this has never affected who won. So these most minor errors by clicked
one too many times and then times Jeff didn't full screen the game so was
cropped weird in the low window. Four point five times were good tonight,
We're good tonight, You're very good, Jeff. He whoever? Alright,
Well, moving on to the game itself. Jeff, one last time,
so Mike will be picking first. You need to tell me the score you
think forts Motor Sport for the original Xbox mayth or two thousand and five,
Man seventy three craig Reviews has Imcraig dot com Serious, I feel like you
didn't get I mean, he got a lot of higher scores later, remember
the three sixty ones popping up at the original Want to check real quick,
Mike, you are going first on this one. Yeah, he said that.
Yeah, I'm sorry, Yeah, you're well. You know also me
talking about it, and I just want to make sure. I want to
make sure. I was to turn my brain off to go. I'll think
about something else while you're doing this, all right, Yeah, you're about
Jeff, I will give I'm gonna guess an eighty six, eighty six.
Let me make sure not to miss click. Uh. Okay, that's a
good that's a good guess. That feels strong. But I think I'm gonna
go with an eighty four instead, don't. I thought your guess eighty nine,
and now I'm afraid to say eighty nine. All right, just going
a little bit lower there, Forts and Motorsport the original has a ninety two.
Okay, I thought we were all about Project Gotham racing on the original
Xbox that we're still getting our kudos or whatever. It was like, pretty
good. I was thinking for it's a horizon, all right. See,
yeah, it's a horizon the original asbot listen, I'm barely paying attention.
Clearly will come to my benefit here, all right. Game number two where
Jeff will be Jeff will be picking first. Fable three they're going first.
Who's going first this time? Yeah? Nobody released Day in October twenty six,
twenty ten, based on eighty eight critic reviews. Okay, I am
going to say this is tough because I know it's a bad game, But
does it get like that franchise rub of Like, I think I like this
because that's a franchise. I like I'm gonna say seventy nine. Okay,
yeah, I think this is a terrible game that probably got a better review
average and it deserved for who knows why reason. Seventy nine still might be
generous, though, I want to say more like a seventy five. Seventy
five all right, I hate this game. There's not too many games I
let like bother me for some reason, this game bothered me. I hated
it so much. All right, Well, Fable three. He's currently saying
at eight. That's just say what you're thinking. Just say what the say
what Microsoft said about the reviewers, the Fanboy reviewers, the fan Boy reviewers.
I want to know the context for that. Still, by the way,
it's game spots, family reviewers. Why do you guys dislike Fable three?
They oversimplified it incredibly basically just like mash a button the entire time.
The game is not very funny. The whole system was was blah. They
do the whole push the your pause button is like a place you can go
inside, but we weren't really right for that so forever it was really slow,
Yeah, really bad post game. I don't like Fable three at all.
We should be embarrassed as an industry that it got an eighty Metacritic.
Okay, tablet game number three. We're going back to Mikey. I need
you to tell me what you think. News Super Mario Brothers You has obviously
for the we you release date November eighteenth, twenty twelve, seventy critic reviews.
Yeah, this is tough. People liked this game. I remember most
of the iyer went towards New super Mario Brothers too. But you, I
think people liked to bad game. Oh baggings rough, but it's not fun
to play. Let's say, oh, come on, it's fun to play,
Jeff, It's like the same, it's fun to move around. The
game itself is pretty bad. Yes, the platformer is fun to platform weird
that people think it's okaye and everything else. Okay, I'm gonna say eighty
nine, God damn it. Okay, am I going with ninety, Jeff
going with the golden numbers. It was a good game. Get at you.
New super Mario Brothers You though, has an eighty or that sounds right
because like it's the people people were tired of it. It's a third one.
I think two Supermris two actually came out afterwards. Really okay, yeah,
I thought there was a bit more of a globe people will. I
remember there were some people upset that it was a launch game instead of like,
I don't know something more well, also from the reminder, eighty four
very strong score. Yeah no, also got docked for just people hating on
the Wii You and they're like, oh, I had to use a stupid
tablet and touch things. Oh it was after two, says Nick. I'm
gonna check this out now. I thought this was like the they were like
months apart or very true. For sure was the end of the year,
so I was assumed this was second. I'm gonna find out now. All
right, well you know what Jeff is picking first, so I can move
on to the next game here number four, we're doing the original Pickman released
for the GameCube December second, two thousand and one. Was it that I
didn't realize that earlier? Yeah, you was after New two. If I'd
known that, I would have maybe gone lower my bad thirty nine critic reviews
for Pickman one. Jeff, what do you think this is? Currently saying
Matt Crack. I get this is a tough one because there's so many factors.
I think people I like this game. I think a lot of people
like maybe convinced themselves liked it more than they actually did because of Miyamoto,
and it's been like a Miyamoto game. I'm gonna so I'm gonna go with
eighty three and it's like a right where I want to be because I do
know. I also think people, Jester, it seems pretty sound. Here
was an early Gamekee game. Some people were really thrown off by some of
the aspects. I know people didn't like the day night cycle a lot at
that point, but yeah, still the Tendo is still a good game.
I'm gonna say eighty two. Eighty two from Mike hanging out right around the
same spot got it all right. Well, the original pick Man received a
eighty nine. Okay, I'm doing I'm doing rough. That's ah, that
actually sounds right now. That's high and it sounds right based on the response
at the time of like it is high. It is high for that game,
Like I'm it was unique tied more time in the Oven, though the
idea wasn't quite there yet. Okay, well, the final game for the
Evening We're going back to Mike now, game number five. We're sitting here.
Twenty four points on board from Mike, twenty for Jeff. So it's
relatively close. Mike, I need you to tell me what you think.
The Elder Squirrels three Morrow Wind has original Xbox June six, two thousand and
two, thirty four Creak reviews. This isn't man. This has been a
tough game. It's very interesting because there are all games that you know,
like, did probably review well, but people really liked Marrow Wind. Was
the first time we had one of these on Xbox. Really, I feel
like it had to be probably pretty high. Actually, I'm gonna say I'm
not that high. I'm gonna say eighty eight. Eighty eight for mikey h
uh, I'm going to go with in eighty five. Okay, a little
bit lower there, yeah, a little bit less solid. It's still solid,
Okay, Okay, I just got to get it right down a little
bit. We'll see, very strategic there at that eighty five. I get
it. The Elder Scrolls three Moro Wind. No, No, you were
so close, Michael, you were so close. Final scores here at the
end. Mike with twenty five, Jeff with twenty two. Jeff is your
winner? Did you guys pick up on a theme for this one, since
we point out here just earlier games from other games is announced during Summer game
Fest week and month. Right, yere, I got it very fun.
That was a very good one. Yeah, that was very lost. Damn
it. We got other games that I can win tonight. Yep, that's
right? Wow can you can? I? Okay, we're gonna get set
up for our console drafts. So with that, mon we're gonna take another
quick break. It won't be lung. We'll be right back after this.
All right, we're back, and we are going to do another console draft
for people who haven't heard one of these before. What we do is we
take turns selecting video games. If I'm too high, I don't really give
a shit. I'll fix you while I'm explaining it. We take turns picking
video games to we each have twelve video games, and then we compare our
lists and have people vote on which lists they prefer. Basically, this is
our console lineup of video games. Which who has the best list? Do
you vote? One of us wins, and then one of us gets usually
gets pretty upset bec they lose, and that person's name is Mike Manati.
This time we are doing game Boy and game Boy Advance games or any of
the other handhelds that are out around that time, all right, and no
suggestions in chat, everybody, Yeah, but you listen to the mods will
fucking zap you if you put suggestion. Shoot you in the back. I
will take you to the alleyway and I will shoot you. He'll, they'll
They'll just destroy you. And you don't want it. You don't want it,
So let's just keep it cool. You could definitely comment on our picks,
though, I suggest Boomer choice. That's always our favorite, so feel
free to do that. These are gonna be a lot of Boomer choices.
My king boy, Mike, you won last time. That means I go
first this time. And it's game Boy, Gameboy Color, Gameboy Advance and
like other sensens I came out around then. If you're feeling really spicy and
need to have a game gear or Neil Joe Pocket Color or Tory Links game
in there, you go right ahead. Wonders Swan's get some Wonder Swan Color
games in there, all right. So I'm just gonna think, I'm gonna
stop, and I'm gonna think for a second, because last time I didn't
think and I forgot about the obvious game. But I'm also trying to think
about our audience, and I think my best bet to win as many people
over as possible is to say a Pokemon gold slash silver. Okay, and
look, I'm not gonna come in and say crystal. Uh the crystal would
have been my first pick. We should just say like one game for these
gens. Yeah, I was gonna say gold, silver, crystal, like
that's that's what I mean. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's that's okay.
Should I can I put Should I just put Crystal with that? Is
that gonna just put Crystal? I think that kind of gets the point.
That's what I'm trying to get across. Okay, Pokemon Crystal for the grub
boy. Now it's over to the Manati links. Yeah, and then I'm
just gonna get Pokemon Emerald. Then I'm not gonna I'm not gonna well wait
a second, yeah, oh uh yeah, I'll get Pokemon Emerald. Yeah,
okay, gold our goldsal silver, that's ds that's not this draft exactly.
Okay, that's okay, I go Okay, that seems like we got
that out of the way. Uh fuck. Um, so game Boy Advance
and Game Boy Um, I'm trying to think about, like, what is
going to have the big like because I think here's the thing with Game Boy
Advance. There are so many great games, but they're very like I think
they're very segmented, and there's like the Pokemon's obviously are popular with everybody,
but is there anything that just really hits with everybody? Um? Because I
don't know which ones, you know what, I'm just gonna go, h
the Legends Old a Minished Cap. Okay, Man, I hate to be
like boring counter pick boy, but my number two was going to just be
links Awakening DX. Okay, that's very good. M Um, gives you
keep promising you're gonna finish Minish cap. H Yeah, I gotta get my
save off my other computer. I should have just played it on the switch
because I'm a dumb bitch. Yeah, didn't you remember at the time,
because I said it'd be easier for me and now look at me. Now,
look at me. Now does it look like it's easier for me?
Well? No, God, I'm a dumb bastard. All right, let's
see here, I'll plug in the other computer. I'll get the save back
and I'll save it. Okay, I think, do I think? What
do I want to do? God, there are so many games that I
love. I think I just kind of I might have to mostly just go
with my heart. I think I'm gonna go with Castlevania Aria Sorrow. Yeah,
that's very smart. That's very smart, Jeff. It's like, it's
tough to like, pick just one of these, and in a slightly similar
vein, I think I'm going to go with this is hard because there's two
of these, and just when I think I like a little bit more,
but I think most people like Zero Mission more. I think I'll go with
Metroid Zero Mission. Okay, and I totally I think that's where I would
have gone as well. Um, okay, God, it's this is a
really tough one. There are so many games to choose from. M it
is, there's a lot of games. It's not like I'm turn you down
to my ear. What were you saying, I'm not trying to Yeah,
I know, I'm like, I'm not having a I'm thinking of games.
Is having probably the game of the game on pick exactly? Yes, I'm
thinking up so many Uh what what what is the one that's got the biggest
effect. I just I really don't know. I think there's ones that our
community brings up all the time, but it's that just like the Squeaky Wheel
or is that one or doesn't come up all the time because people because there's
a huge contingency of our voters that are actually going to care about it.
Yeah, I don't know for this one. That feels too early, but
I'm just gonna go for it. I'm gonna say Golden Sun. I thought
you're gonna say Golden Sun. Yeah, because again I'm thinking, like people
in our community talk about it constantly. I think that's a good pick.
I hope that's going to actually move the needle. I have no idea really
though. I think it's a good pick, and I'm gonna go against slightly
similar I'm gonna take Mario Luigi Superstar so really right now, right now,
because so I'm there aren't a lot of good Mario games actually, yeah,
like just straight up Mario games. But this is kind of scratching itch and
gets the RPG itch. So I like that. Oh okay, um,
all right, I'm thinking we're gonna do twelve games are basic we have four
each right now, so we still throw the way through. Yep, we're
we're we're moving through it. Um. And there's so many that like I
would we would move it for me, and I'm just not sure if it's
gonna move it for anyone else. Um, I'll save that, I think.
Uh, I don't know, I'm thinking because once I know that,
like I really love exactly and it moved the metal for people I don't know.
Mm hmm. Yeah, it's something. It's that's a good Okay,
I'm gonna go with Final Fantasy Tactics Advance. Okay, Okay, I think
this is your weakest pick so far. I think, well, I know
like like I do like Final Fantasy Tactics, think like like look down in
Advance, but Advance is very popular. Well, maybe that's a problem.
Maybe I'm too close to it because like I hear you and Jan even Dan
talk about times Advance, and I'm like, I thought, oh, okay,
maybe maybe I'm a found fancy snob Tactics fans owns and is beloved.
Yeah maybe I'm just sure you know, yes, but yes, there's a
lot of people out there like, no, Tactics is the real thing.
And I get that too. Chad actually seems to really like this pick though.
Okay, who knows. Well, I'm gonna go Tetris d X,
Tetris d X Tetris d X. Okay, I'll get the Tetris going here.
Yes, Oh, that was gonna probably have to happen eventually. And
why not? Um, et Tetris always helps. Yeah, it's like,
man, you can always just go into those game gear games. Jeff,
I, Hey, listen any any time now you watch out? Yeah?
Uh okay, Now do I want to do one of those? That's so
hard? How do you even pick one of those? I think I'm going
to go with. Yeah, it feels like an not a very good pick,
so let me help, let me just let me think for a second.
They're not very good pick. Well, it's just like I don't know
if people care about it or just me. Um, That's where I'm at
with a lot of my choices right now. But also I'm like I'm at
a point where we might be just digging deeper and deeper each time, so
I might have to start just getting into those and being fine with it.
Um, I'm yeah, I'm gonna I'm just gonna do It Warrior where Mega
Micro Games. Oh yeah, that's a very popular game. I think it
makes a lot of sense. Man, there's a lot of makes me think
some other things. But I think I think I am actually now going to
take Donkey Kong because I really want that more. I don't want you to
have. Yeah, it's definitely. It was like one of those ones I'm
like planning on getting, but I was like, when's the right time for
it? Okay? Mm hmmm, um, just say no mother three No?
Yeah, that think that's right. I think that's right. Yeah,
okay, too cute. Then I'm gonna go with Advanced Wars. I'm gonna
say fuck you Advanced Wars and to go a fire Emblem the Sacred Stones where
your wife who's now? Uh they are in fire Emblem Sacred Stones, you
have all the wife who's That's that's my big issue, bestie. Okay,
I think I'm going to probably God, I already covered there. You did
that. How many more do we have left? We have done one,
two, three, seven, so five left? Okay, m hmm.
It's interesting that everyone's like there's so much GBA, Like, yeah, there's
a lot of good GBA. I mean there's that there's so much good GBA
games and like you know, he's got Leaks Awakening and I you game Boy
Games ninety four, Yeah, and like those are the ones I would would
have picked. Um, maybe I'll get another game Boy on there, but
like there's stuff I feel like I have to counter pick as well. And
yeah it's tough. Okay, I am thinking, Um, I don't know
if I want to do that. I know people like those games. Should
I just start going? You know what, I'm gonna go with the games
that I know are good. I feel like they're deep cuts. Um,
but I'm hoping they went over like a couple percentage points here and there.
I'm gonna go with uh astro Boy Omega Factor. Okay, Okay, I
think I need to. I don't want to say that. I don't I
can say that, go ahead, Yeah, no, I don't want.
I mean, the game is so good, I think, but people don't
know it. But it's so good. Yeah you're right though, because like
you get it, you're getting some people saying what and then you're getting some
people are really excited. So I mean, yeah, it's gonna speak really
strongly to certain people. I'm going to take the Pokemon Trading card game.
Oh it's a good one. People as calling it your eye Hander moment.
Oh sure, yeah, that's yeah, I get that. I mean,
see, I didn't get that rub with Onhander like I thought I would.
No one, no one cared. Maybe Astro Astro Boy has bigger pool than
that for some reason, I don't know. Yeah, so I'm like,
okay, people reacting that with Astro Boy. Now it's like the other ones,
like does this play? I have no idea. Um, I guess
to counter that out Goo with Sonic Advance. M hmm okay, Mmmm,
why I want to do I'll do Kirby's Dreamland. Wait, yeah, just
Kirby's Dreamland. Okay, okay, well let's see here. I'll do I'll
do Metroid Fusion. Yeah. I figured you were gonna do that eventually.
He figured I wouldn't have to take both. Yeah, that's why. That's
why I'm saving him. Hmmm, dang it. Do people care? Uh?
This is hard for me because I know again it's like, is this
just because I'm so in tune with the series. I know that this is
the good one, and everyone else is gonna be like I don't really care
about that bat even? Just can I wait? What am I waiting for?
There's I feel like we're definitely gonna be pointed towards some like big things
that we are. Yeah missing here, definitely interesting. Okay, I got
one I want to do now? All right? Oh now you've got one?
Yeah again, I was still in the very heavy indie. Is this
just for me? Okay? I want which one? Do people live more?
I want Mario Golf for the Game Boy Vance. Okay, that's literally
the one I was just gonna pick. That's what I as you said,
I was kind of felt the energy out exactly what I was gonna pick.
Okay, Um, because I don't I don't think there's an obvious counter pick.
I guess yeah, but I don't know if that one even I don't
think I even helps me. I really don't think Mario Tennis helps at this
point, because I think Mario Golf is It's what people are still gonna think.
More people pick Mario Golf, and Mario Tennis doesn't actually peel off that
many people. Um, okay, well shit, I'm gonna go with uh
middle gear solid ghost babble. Oh this game. I have this game there
it is Mega Man zero three the best Mega Man zo okay um, that's
what I think, Jeff, Yeah, I think that's right. Yeah,
let me think here, I'm going to go with let's see where does that?
God, I don't know. Let me look what you have. Particularly
you want to read it, well, we were almost at the end.
No, I don't know if you want to read it out loud, yeah,
as you think out loud. The grub Boy has Pokemon Christal, the
Legends Older, the Minished, Cap Castlevania, Aria of Sorrow, Golden Sun,
Final, Fantasy Tactics, Advanced Warrior, were Mega Microgames, Advanced Wards,
Astro Boy, Omega Factor, Sonic Advance, Metroid Fusion, Metal Gear,
Solid Ghost Babble, The Minati Lynx has Pokemon Emerald Links Awakening DX,
Metroid Zero Mission, Mario and Luigi Superstar, Saga, Tetris, DX,
Donkey Kong ninety four, Fire Emblem, Sacred Stones, Pokemon Trading Card Game,
Kirby's Dreamland, Mario Golf Advance, and Mega Man zero three, and
now each are going to pick one more and I'm just not sure what is
going to make the biggest impact. Again, I said I would look at
your wors because I felt like there was stuff I wanted to counter pick.
But now I'm not sure if that's gonna actually do much. Yeah, I
already have that. That's fine. Um, do you have something strong in
mind for your last one? Are you still kind of don't mean he's strong.
I don't think I'm not. I just thought one of them, like,
I hope he doesn't take that yeah nything like that? Really, you
know what? This one just did well, and that's kind of a counterpick.
I'm gonna go with a Mega Man Battle Network. Okay, Okay,
I tell you. I just realized that the funniest one I could pick would
be Sure. I could maybe do it for the laws and maybe laws of
hell? Would he bok tie? Sure? Buck tie is a fun one.
I think fun. But I could just speak I'm not sure yet.
I could speak freely now, because like I could also be boring and just
counterpick some of your stuff. Like I could just do like circle the Moon
or harmony dissonance. I could do Warrior wear twist it. Yep, absolutely,
Warrio twisted. I think it's the safest choice if I wanted, yeah,
be really safe. Back ties maybe more fun choice. It's close,
right, now I don't want to throw it away. I think people people
are so weird about the game. I think people would pop for back Tie.
I'm gonna go with Boxed. I like this choice. I like to
go with it because I think your list is pretty strong. I think having
a meme pick is fun. Okay, So once again, the Manati Links
has Pokemon Emerald. Well, I'm doing this, Sean, if you want
to get a poll going. We never did do Mario Land too. I
definitely should have picked Mario Land. A good two would be very good.
God damn it. Uh, Pokemon Emeralds. Sorry. I was thinking about
doing Warrior Land, and then I was like, I already have Warrior.
Where am I gonna like lose the effectiveness of Warrior if I keep having stuff
with Warrial in it. I don't know I've been good. I probably just
overthought it. The Manati links Pokemon Emerald, Links, Awakening, DX,
Metroid Zero Mission, Mario Luigi Superstar Saga, Tetris, d X, Donkey
Kong ninety four, Fire Emblem, Sacred Stones, Pokemon Trading card Game,
Kirby's Dreamland, Mario Golf Advance, Mega and zero three, and Baktie The
grub Boy Has Pokemon, Crystal, The Legend of Zelda, The Menish Camp,
Pennsylvania, Aria of Sorrow, Golden Sun, Final, Fantasy Tactics,
Advanced Warrior, Were Mega Microgames, Advanced Wars, Astro Boy, A Mega
Factor, Sonic Advance, Metroid Fusion, Metal Gear, Solid Ghost, Babble,
and MegaMan Battle Network. All right, so now you guys can all
vote. If you are a podcast producer in the discord, there will be
a place for you to vote. That will be the binding one. We'll
put this up in chat on Twitter and all that and here in a second,
but for now, go ahead and feel free to log your vote.
If you're a podcast producer. How are you feeling, Mike, I think
this one could actually go either way. Yeah, it's really hard for me
to predict this. Heybor point out, So I'm yeah, Warrior at four
might have been a good one to do there. I thought about him,
thought about it. I know for some reason, it's like, I don't
know Warrior war is already there. I know they're very different. Rhythm have
ben come out. I don't think Rhythm have been would I thought that was.
I mean, there's some things that I think here Japan on Gayboy Vance
that's on the rhythm have been deepening on game Boy Advanced in Japan. I
here like the Phoenix rankings wh originally give advance, but we didn't get them
until they got ported to a thing. Like some people said, fire red
are leaf green for Pokemon. I think we're all happy. We're both happy
having our one Pokemon game. Uh. Curucua Current would have been a bold
choice, maybe a good one, and then Japan only as well. I
guess that's only Japan. Well now it's on NSL, so now it counts.
I Thus, I don't think I was going to be that bold about
that. Uh yeah, we're trying to ask pro Scare two could have been
cute. Yeah, uh so, yes, I was going to do Ninja
five. Oh. I thought Astrovoid might be a little bit more familiar to
people. I don't even know what Ninja five oh is. So it's one
of the best Game Boy Advance games. All right? Then, yes,
yep, this is this is the problem. That's the problem with you guys.
I don't know what that means. Mike. Uh okay, so everybody
you can you can vote again. We'll get the results here in a second,
I suppose in the meantime, Mike, should we just get into what
we've been playing and then we'll come back and wrap around to this. Uh,
yeah, we can do that, Jeff, for sure. Okay,
I almost did Drill Dozer as well be Hammer. I definitely considered it.
It was like it was between Ninja five, Oh Astro Boy and Drill Dozer,
and maybe drill Dozer would have been more fun, but I don't know.
I almost thought about I think I had two may Poke, I two
Pokemon games. I almost thought about doing the puzzle Pokemon Puzzle Challenge. Is
that the Game Boy Color one. I like that a lot, but as
a lot as Pokemon have you also a lot of a rout of that TCG
pick, Mike, I don't want to hear anything to the contract. The
Pokemon Trade Card game pick was very good. I think that I was pretty
happy with it. Yes, thank you. Some people try to go Kirby's
dream instead of like one of the later ones, and I was like,
maybe I should do one the later ones, but I don't know. Yeah,
I just went for the dreamline. And two that's on game Blayers as
well as a job and it's like it's it's good or something about one that
I do Actually, yeah, but I think you don't have any of you
have the power sucking stuff, so it's like it's also like, you know,
I'm not it's designed not around that. It is still fun, but
I don't know which one was the good Battle Network. I was just trying
to I just try to pick one that it's still good. I mean three
would be if I was about to be three, but I was like,
I don't what is absolutely awful? It's so bad? Okay, so awful.
That's actually three is what I selected there. Actually, okay, let's
see here and um but yeah, I don't know. I haven't played too
much, Jeff. Really, I still have its start up Office six even
though it actually came out today. So that's what I have been playing.
That's I'm in there. Did you have you even played the demo or anything?
No, I didn't even played the demo. You made that feature I
made the preview I did at New York Forever Ago, which was kind of
further into the game in the opening, so I'm way behind. I just
I think I mentioned it as soon as I came back for Summer Gamefest.
There was a big work project happening, right, so that's kind of wrapped
up now. And then like you know, I had it was a friend's
birthday yesterday, so I had people over my house like I was hosting for
that, So that took up all my time yesterday. Then today I was
tired, so I just like took an about to work and look up to
do this. So I haven't had chance to play sixteen really at all,
but it seems like it's I'm almost a little surprised, how well, maybe
it's working the whole. We're gonna make it an action game and now more
people are gonna play this who normally wouldn't like it. Seems like I'm actually
hearing a lot of people saying, I'm don't like fan fancy, but I'm
going to play this one. Yeah, And I think it's um both the
action gameplay and sort of the uh, we're gonna take this all really seriously
and not in a way that's annoying. Uh, it's definitely um shameless about
like taking inspiration from Game of Thrones. Clive is just exactly Jon Snow and
uh, and Clive's dad is exactly Ned Stark. These there's like zero difference
and so much like the Sean Bean that'd be great. Yeah, the basically
he sounds like Sean Bean. Like they really don't even try to hide it,
and I'm like, I think that's fine. Like they're they're doing we're
using shorthand, and it's like, this is not new to Final Fantasy,
like taking inspiration from popular things. They've done that a lot. This might
be the most explicit, but it doesn't hurt the game at all. And
what it does do is, like I think it gives them the confidence to
lead into thinking about the reality of Final Fantasy in some really interesting ways.
Now, I'm sure this is stuff that they've done in storytelling with like Final
Fantasy fourteen or whatever, but for me, this is new, like actually
thinking about what it would mean to a person to be able to summon these
giant monsters and what that means politically, and what it means for your relationships
to other people, and what happens if you lose that power, and how
do you feel about that and how do you fit in the world after that,
Like all that stuff is actually at least being touched on. I'm still
pretty early. I'm like six seven, maybe eight hours in and it's like,
I don't know how they're gonna, like if it's gonna pay off,
but they are at least dealing with it, and I find that to be
pretty fascinating. It's gives me a connection to these characters in a way that
I wasn't expecting necessarily, and then it's just fun to play. The combat
really opens up as you get more powers unlocked. The first set of powers
that you have when you because you're kissed by the Phoenix or whatever, like
your firepowers. They're cool and they're still useful, like once you start mixing
up with other stuff. But when you are able to mix it up with
other stuff, that's when it really comest comes to life and you can see
like, oh, this combat system is very good, very robust, and
it's going to keep getting bigger and more complex in a lot of interesting ways,
which was like the big question I had. It's like, I'm just
kind of hitting square a lot, and then occasionally, when I'm at my
meter fills up, I'll do these super moves and then when I get a
stagger, I'm just doing all that at once, and it's like, okay,
that all this is. It's like, no there's it's there's way more
going on, and that's a relief. I think the RPG systems themselves in
terms of like building out the character there, it's pretty slim h And I
think that's uh. I think that's maybe a little bit to the detriment of
the game. I think the idea of like building out my own Clive would
have been interesting. But it's, um it feels like the kind of thing
where like they wanted to focus on the combat, They wanted to focus on
the storytelling, the characters in the voice acting and all that stuff is very
good. I imagine as they kind of build on it from here, they
will then kind of turn back and think about what RPG elmets they want to
bring back in and make it fill it out again in the future. But
I'm really enjoying it. I'm I'm really liking it. I think that if
the story begins to fall off, as I've heard some people say in the
end it does, I might put this down if it's like really gonna be
fifty hours. But yeah, I see and like, you know, I've
seen one person saying then I'm like, well that could be an outlier.
Maybe more people where I hope it doesn't fizzle out at the end. I
mean, I'll say, what you're about fifteen, Like it has like a
weird third act, but then the actual ending lands are a fifteen I think
I said fifteen. Sorry, but uh yeah, So hopefully they do good.
But again, the story team is usually so good to be weird to
me. If they mess that up, the right happens, So we'll see.
I'm curious. I definitely need to start at as hopefully I have a
time to myself this weekend. The other thing is that active time more Christian
wants to hear about it, and it really is cool this, I mean,
this was this in the preview when you saw it, like no,
but this is the thing that's like based like it isn't this kind of like
what we had in a Pentiment right? Yes, the glossary from Pentiment.
Yes, And it's what it does is you hold down the touchpad at any
time and it will bring up this glossary of who's on the screen, what's
on the screen, and where you're at, and the the info cards it
gives you about all of these subjects is contextually aware of where you are in
the story. So it's like this person is feeling this and doing this because
of this, and then as the story progresses and something changes with the character,
those title cards will get updated or those info cards will get updated,
and I'll say they just experienced this, and now they're feeling this now that
I think that has some implications in terms of if you want the characters to
sort of convey their feelings through acting and emotions on the screen, you might
actually want to avoid act of time lore. Now, if you're very curious
to like, like dig deep in the way that you would like, this
information would be available to you if you were reading this as a book,
and so I think if you look at it that way, it's it's just
more color. It just adds more information, and overall the way it works,
I think it's just fantastic. I want more games to do this stuff
because I really liked the impentiment. I really like it here. Hopefully more
games are able to take this as a cube like this is a good way
to get people into your world and keep them there. It's kind of a
shame that you're the one telling people about the new Final Fantasy game. I
just got to kind of sit here and nod, Yeah, you fucked up,
Mike, I done fucked up. It's good. I think people are
really going to enjoy it. It's gonna have a hard time in like whatever
Game of the Year battle. It's going to be a lot of people's favorite
game this year, though. I think, hey, well, I mean
I bet it'll be in that nomination list. But you don't think it's going
to be able to like topple a Tiers of the Kingdom. Yeah, but
is that what it needed to do. I don't think it needed to be
Game of the Year. I think what it needed to do was set a
strong foundation for the future of Final Fantasy. And I think it's done that.
I think what it needs to do it's sell ten million copies. Maybe
that's a tower for a PlayStation exclusive. Maybe, Yeah, so like seven
million, it means it. So I've had sold seven million. That'd be
better than the seven remake, right, So it would be, And then
that would set it up nicely for when it comes to PC and probably sells
about two point five million copies on there. So yeah, I think it's
going to be just fine. I think this is going to be the game
that Square Nix wanted and needed. Yeah, thank you, Ben Starr,
I've just been you know, I talked about being Tears of the Kingdom and
haven't really done too much else on the switch. I want to I want
to actually start playing See three, the Pixel remaster, but I also feel
like I should start that on a stream first. That's what I do with
the other two, So I got a wait for that. But otherwise,
still is playing all Street Buyer six, put been be able to play more
Diabla four and just still really enjoying those games. Like it is funny because
Street per six does have all this content. But you know what I like
to do is I have this one character, Lily. I go in there,
I play ranked matches and that's how I interact with that game. That's
you know, basically all I'm doing. And it's a fantastic. It's really
snappy, it's easy even during work. They got right, I gotta just
do a few matches here. My brain is fried. It's a it's a
nice little thing, even though the menus are terrible and quitting that game is
a disaster. It's so hard to find it and then when you do,
it always freezes you. They say quit, so they gets like altep for
it. Uh, that's like oh n s second brag. I also did,
Yes, I am in platinum. I did rank up to plat how
did you get the platinum? So how would you get the platinum? You
were there, you saw it. I team. It was a lot of
fifteen Match Winter Street. It was incredibly impressive. It was amazing. It
was really good game play. It was a lot of fun to watch,
kind of watching you hit those uh the lie I haven't. I barely played
the game. So the big counters where it does a little cinematic where you
hit people with your little sticks. It looks like it feels good. It
looked amazing. It was a lot of fun to watch. It is.
It is just this is not my competition. He thinks he's gonna play when
the scrub league, he's platinum ring. That's not happening. I think I
get the I don't think I get to be a part of their little like
we're gonna be bad at happen. Yes, I don't think league. He
could be a coach. I could be a coach and out. I don't
know. I Uh, Platinum has been fun because it is like it has
been more fifty fifty and there's no more wind streak bonuses and Platinum, which
is fair at a certain point you don't what they really have that um,
but the progression does still seem like attainable, right it does. It'll be
longer, and you know, maybe this is just well, you know,
eventually you get place in two. How good you are? Maybe I can
improve. Maybe I'm not gonna be much better than Platinum, and maybe instead
of going to grind out Lily to Diamond, I'll be like, well,
what's get a different character to Platinum. That will be fun too. I'm
still playing Lily for now, and I might kind of throughout this battle pass
which is going on for a couple of weeks. But thanks to bed joining,
I have really enjoyed focusing on that one character I kind of learning about,
and you know, I play fun games a lot, but just really
getting into this one. I am learning more things that I understood before,
you know, talking to Sean and talking to Christian, like I know what
like plus or minus and frame data means and that and stuff like this.
There's so much content creation happening around this game, so it's a lot of
fun to watch these people really know what they're doing, Like I found the
number one Lily player on Twitch, and I will watch him a lot and
kind of just see what he's doing. And of course watching Maximilion dudes videos
are always really fun. So and that's also the fight thing about or the
fun thing about fighting games in general. It's why I would recommend even like
Mark Controls is fine. I want to throw any shade anybody wants to use
that. The nice thing about learning Classic Controls is, well, now you
are learning how to play all fighting games, right, It's not if you
want to play the next like Blaze Blue or King of Fighters. You know,
a lot of that stuff transfers a lot of those kind of skills.
So that's what's fun about this. Oh my gosh, look at that Turbostroun
just Strap said he's proud of me. No, that's weird. It's been
really fun. There's I checked, there's no embargo on it. We'll be
playing a little bit more Mortal Mortal Kombat one tomorrow, so that'll be fun.
Dress tests. Yeah, cited Emma in there. I'm a I'm a
whooped my ass at the preview. I will I'll see if she has a
code, we'll see it there. I think they are just kind of improving
people here and there. We'll see what happens. But uh yeah, we'll
be playing that on UPF tomorrow everybody, so that'll be fun, I think
too. I bet it's the build we play at Summer Game Fest. I
bet it's still those four playable characters in those three cameos, and it sounds
right, and that's fine. That was so much fun. Let's go.
That was so much What do those four characters did you like best? Because
that was actually really into Luke King. Luke King was my favorite. Yes,
Luke King was just felt great. It was super fun. It was
easy to get the hang off. It's what it was. Uh. And
then I really like Son yet because of the r ko um. She does
something. It's between an Arko and a diamond cutter. I was like looking
at it, like she almost jumps as high as Randy Orton, not quite
as high as he does. So it's a good Uh, it's a good
move either way. Okay, Sean, do we have the results of the
console draft. I am pulling them up right now. I think this is
a coin flip, and I think here's how it usually goes. I think
I start pretty strong and finish week, and I think you usually start week
and finish strong. I think that you started pretty strong this time, and
you kind of kept your momentum. And I think I've faded out so and
I don't know how strong my first couple of picks actually are compared to yours.
So I'll see it's fifty fifty. I really like your list like normal.
I think I first three counter each other out, yes, exactly.
And that's that's usually how it when I win. For if I if I
don't win with those first five, four or five, I usually don't win.
So uh yeah, that's why I'm not sure. All right, you're
right for the results. Yeah, let's do it, gentlemen. It is
fifty fifty fifty percent to fifty percent. Oh my god, how many votes
were there? Forty twenty twenty. I'm allowed to vote, right, No,
I'll vote for you. Do I want to do? We want to
give it to chat as a typebreaker, then yeah, I think so,
all right? Chat the chats fair? Alright, you're the tipebreaker. Look
at this. Your voice batter is this time loud. I thought it was
close, but geez, okay, I mean this is the one that would
be fifty fifty. I thought it was close. Yeah, I figured I
figured it was going to be okay, interesting, Let's make it fifty fifty
again, let's go incredible. Wow. Okay, all right, what is
your favorite game on either list? Though? Um me my favorite one?
Well, okay, if I'm being legit, my favorite game is Mario and
Luigi Superstar Saga. If you had picked the record links Awake and would be
that. I really don't know, right, all right, I forgot about
that. Really don't like the color makes Jeff retreat into the shadows. It
looks bad for links Awaken D. Specifically, it looks bad. It's a
bad use of color in that game. I think you're I still don't know
what you mean by I look at like Super Mario Brothers Deluxe looks really good
and crisp and colorful, because it looks like yes and links awakeny DX is
just like we're gonna take the gray scale and apply some color here and there,
and actually it looks kind of it's like muted colors. It's bad.
It looks bad. I think it's pretty. I like it, but I
don't know if I feel that strongly about it. But it's incredible would be
that you specifically dislike the DX much more than the You gotta put yourself in
my shoes of like playing Leaks Awakening on the Game Boy and falling in love
with it and then getting so excited for Links Awakened d X, thinking like,
oh, it's gonna be a full color remake, and then getting it
and it's like someone just replaced one color with another and it looks like crap.
I'm like, it was like very disappointing, and I got do you
feel similarly about Tetris d X? Uh? I never even liked gave Tetris
d X a chance because of that. Actually, I don't know you were
still against DA well, yeah, because they didn't they didn't look good to
me, Like yeah, yeah real. This was a lot of Game Boy
color games that started like hes as, like a black and white game,
and they added color, Like the Pokemon games are kind of like that as
well. So Donkey Kong ninety four hands at least more going on on,
like the title screen and stuff, and so I was like, more okay
with that. That one looked pretty good. That was the Super game Boy
Color Palezza that was not really game Boy caller. That's right, yeah,
yeah, because that was like basically the quote unquote Super Game Boy Launch game
was that. Yeah, totally. So they have promoted because it's like,
why are they Promolio so much? It's just a part of donkey calling.
Then you play it like, oh, let's freaking rules. Actually, look
at what do we want to close the poll? I haven't looked. I
don't know. Uh, it's only been going for two minutes, it says,
so let's give it three two or three more the vote. Everybody's there
going to wrap up the shows a vote now? Uh? Got a couple
more super chats? Yes, Mike, I was gonna ask you can you
read us the last handful of super chats? A chief met says, does
this mean it tend to acknowledges that Gino? Now? Oh he's egg acknowledged
And I'm really getting my hopes up now for him showing up and more stuff,
because it seems like it is still the Square Enix owns the right to
that character and mallow thing. But I was like, hey, they're working
nice, playing nice together. Now give me more Geno. I mean,
there really has been that loud, maybe small group of people yelling for Geno
and Smash Forever. They gave us like a little bit when they made the
Gino costume and Smash four, like, come on, now he's in a
quote unquote newer game. It might be a while still before we get the
next Smash. That's usually something that's like year two, year three for a
new system. But when that happens, and you know, I imagine that
game, it's not gonna be too different from just basically being a very nice
port of Ultimate, but with some new characters. I sure do hope one
of those new characters is Geno. I think that they are going to put
this game out and forget about Gino and Mallow again. Oh, don't do
that. I want to get my hopes up too much. Look at them,
they're just look at them. They look fantastic. They really do.
They're just such good characters. Uh, Ny Camps is okay, Sorry,
Jad Camp says no. Tenant for the Game Boy Advance Video cartridge, shaking
my head. Tennant, isn't that what movies? Is that a movie that?
Yeah? Tenant's the Christopher Nolan movie. Yeah, but it was there
a meme of like people because I used to sell like TV shows and movie
stuff for Gameboy Vance. Can't you get Shrek on Gameboy Advance? I should
have picked Shrek the movie, right, like, yes, Tenant, let's
say, yeah, Tenant for Gameboy Advanced Video Cartridge. That's I thought you
meant, like okay, Yes, that's a very funny because Christopher Nolan would
lose his mind if the if Tenant was available on a Gameboy Advance Chris cartridge
at like one forty four and two frames per second, Lassie and says,
I normally wait to get games in sale, but I'm getting Found Fancy sixteen
day one because of yoship. It's soaking in the demo. Yeah. See,
I bet a lot of just Found Fancy fourteen people are just immediately like
right there for Found for the sixteen, just because it's all of the people
that we like. Yes, all right, Jeff, you're ready to close
this bowl? Yeah I am. I'm going to close it right now.
And with fifty two percent of the vote, the winner is the Manati Links.
Well done, Michael Manaught. That's a win streak. That's shocking.
Yes, And I think that sounds about right that that your list beat it
out by about like four points. That seems about right, Yes, if
I think if you have maybe you replaced one of your weaker ones with Mario
lan two. Yeah, after boy with Mario lan two, I think that
would have been Yeah, obviously you could swing a ton when when it's this
close. So yeah, it was just one bad choice. Yeah, I
mean MegaMan Battle Network three maybe instead of malagam balto Nework. I honestly who
knows about that, but Super Mario Land two up there would have really made
a difference. Well, that was a lot of fun though. Any game
gear links, yeah, you know the two. I mean there are some
really good Neil Geo Pocket Color games, Like, I don't know how much
the audience cares about how good Capcom Versus S and K two actually was on
the Neil Pocket Color, right, I'm like, I love it? Oh
god, what are like we mentioned a bunch of them, uh droll Dozer
a Ninja five h h Like I was really I had to stop myself from
doing Tony Ox pro Skater two or three. I'm like, I love that,
but it's almost like, oh, it's like almost like impressive and not
necessarily like something that's actually great. I mean it's great for what it is
is what it is. Uh, yeah, I'm curious a box. I
hurt meer help me. I just don't know it's I mean, listen,
you one right, you gotta just take it. You gotta we gotta run,
gotta take you gotta dance with the one that brought you, Mike.
That's how it works, yes, and then you know that's how we do
this. We can do DS, three DSH PSP and Vita. Those will
be the pools we pull from. What's once again, I'll be interested just
how many PSP or VIDA games we pull from. There will actually probably be
some yeah, thing like I think there will be some. I should play
some PSP games. There's a lot of good DS and three DS games,
a lot, Yes, there's a lot. We should just do DS and
PSP and then three DS and we could probably just do DSMPSP. Yeah maybe
that, man, that might be more fun. Actually, but the house,
because you will, we could do some of the weirder picks. I
think that we can get more like PSP and VITA games on there. Right,
Yeah, that sounds good. Okay, uh Mike, any other games
you've been playing? Are we? Are we good to wrap up? No,
that's it let's wrap it up. Okay, I'm gonna hit the button.
Man, let me do that and then let me mute it. All
right, everybody? Uh, Mike, where can you? They find you
on the internet? Can you find me? Uh? Find me on Twitter?
Twitch to toe Uh and uh brain went dead? Yes, yeah,
I do that. Ninety sixty, it's gonna have a new episode of Well,
we have a new episode ninety si up now about my Universal and Disneyland
trip cleaning, you know, the one the space at the time with Jeff
Fat And then on July first, we're going to have our Goofy movie episode
where we recorded that. It was a lot of fun, so please be
excited. I'm Jeff Greb on Twitter. I'm Jeff Grebb on Twitch. I
streamed a little bit recently. I'm gonna stream some more if I can.
It's nice. The game looks so freaking good. What's that that Ebeneezer game
you're playing? Yes, Steam, that Metroidvania Christmas Carol Home. It really
it looks it looks really solid. Yeah, and it's got the Uh.
I know you're a big cozy game guy. I know that. Yeah,
but like this is cozy because like it's you'll see you because it's something you
like. We get it. It's not it's not cozy because they didn't add
any textures to all of the three D models, and like there's a you
know, a p because someone's wearing a scarf, and there's fires and you
could smell the nutmeg or whatever. This suck. Yeah, um yeah,
So yeah, I played a bunch of Steam next US games. So next
time I'll probably try to get that Zelda game work and I'll beat that and
then that'll be fun. But yeah, giant Bomp, everybody's beating it,
Jeff, everybody's beating look out because everybody's being damn boy, were you just
frying chicken in there? Thanks? Thanks Rouge, Thanks Rouge. We appreciate
that, Giant bo We've got a bunch of fun stuff happening. We'll be
doing upf tomorrow. We'll be playing a Crash Team Rumble, which is CP
artists like Crash Team Rags in which do insane thing that they've done. It's
a bad name. It's a bad names Vita. I can teach you guys
how to play it. Yeah, that'd be great. And then we'll be
playing a little bit of more combat one if we feel the need, but
you probably will because I think that'd be fun to do. So yeah,
I go, all right, Mike Anny plans for the weekend. God,
I hope some video. I kind of want just gonna catch up on stuff.
But I think I'm meeting up with the family one of these days.
And then no, no, yeah, we'll see. Well maybe going to
Toledo's d Thanks for watching, everybody till next time. Family all over the
same. What am I supposed to do? You know what? Seves?
I go to Tony Poncos. Oh yeah, so I love Tony Pocos.
Got a really good um co signed, the co signed Tolio screen and the
zoos green fuck you so chat. I'm into click this. Most people are
beating it right now. No, people are beating it right now. All
right. I came out real quick. Oh I was gonna go. You
all tell him I had to go to the bathroom get a drink back.
He's yelling at children right now, I think, actually, no, that's
like a real conversation. Might be talking to his wife speculating. Yeah,
that's that's not talking to children. Yeah, he's talking to a grown up
right now. You only yeah, you only yell at children, says the
talk to them. This is a real conversation. I'll be right back.
Well what listen? No fuck you? No, fuck you? Yeah,
okay, no fuck no. It's just just reading his sleeps. What's he
saying? I'm doing like a bad liver. I'm working here, so ok
he's mad. Okay, hello, all right, there we go. There
we have it. Um, they missed the anchovies or something. What's that
anchovies? What we watching? I figure out where you're talking about. Oh
yeah, I was talking about anchovies. Big anchovy conversation over here. Now
there's just like a list of stuff I gotta do after him. The show
got left the lawnmower route and it's gonna rain, so I gotta go puck
that away. And what else was there there was? Um, well,
I gotta should empty the cat litter. It's the other thing because the trash
was coming tomorrow. So got chores to do. You know, that's how
it goes sometimes. Yeah, yeah, all right, was Mike going potty?
He is? I don't know he was doing something he wanted us to
tell you that. I just no, So, my my, my lawnmower
is I have one of those battery powered lawnmowers, so I could be in
the middle of it, and then the batteries die and then I got to
charge him and it takes I get an hour for him to charge or whatever.
So then I start doing something else, and then I got distracted and
I didn't I didn't go out there and finish. Yeah, my brain happened.
So it's sitting out and I gotta go put it away so I can
finish doing it tomorrow. It's it's it's a thing. That's a thing.
But I prefer it because the electric lawnmowers are quieter, so I can do
I can actually mow my lawn a little bit later, and people don't mind.
That's what kids are for. Yeah, that's the six year old can
probably start mowing the lawn, right, I think allowance for sure. Yeah.
Sure. The children's crave from them for the minds. Yes, the
children crave labor. That's what they need. Absolutely, Mike, do you
have to potty Manadi? That's right? Absolutely? So the game so good.
This fucking looks that's game game. It looks good. Shut the fart
style wise, well, we'll do what the fuck? It looks good?
All right? Now? I think, Um, I like how it looks.
I think that Princess Peach in the opening cut scene looks a little weird.
I think all the battle scenes and all of the like walking around the
world stuff looks fantastic. It looks like my mind's eye sort of thing.
I think it looks awesome. Why am I Why are we black? I
don't know your screen when black? I don't know. I hadn't saved the
black. That's why good at this show? Smart? All right, smart?
Okay, so you're getting the game set up there. It is somebody
saying no visual show my camera show non video participants. Jet Baker said that
Bomp Fantacy sixteen will be its first final fancy. Um, I just some
dry cachy cereal eat ra. Do you see Lucy and TAM's follow up to
that? Yes, some the memos. When are they gonna well happen?
If they show you and lose your shit? What's going on? They show
me you you two? They have to shoot feel It wouldn't be the first
time Jeff has shown up in court. No, that's definitely remember that time.
Yes, yea, um share that was funny stuff. Yeah, so
that's always a good time. I love that. That's funny. For a
little bit. I don't even remember what it was, but I actually I
leaked that Battlefield twenty forty two was going to get delayed and all the investors
should like, it's gonna get delayed the next year, and it got delayed
like a month and a half and so like it didn't even go out of
the quarter or whatever, and so like an immediately went back up, and
I'm like, I never said along, its gonna be dead, just like
it's gonna get a delay here, and you all freak the fuck out because
that's what you do because you're bet investors. All right, they're very smart.
Let's let's bring it back in and get to the to the game.
Actually, should we do the super chants first? This is super chats first.
Okay, let me fix your camera real quick then and then we can
do that. Nope, that's wrong. Okay, there we go. Okay,
all right, everybody, let's see here. I am going to bring
up a Google sheet. Yeah, okay, quick question before you guys get
into it, so you don't argue about it. Can you do the handhelds
released at the time in case you want to that aren't game Boy yes,
I mean you canna that is gonna muddy things. I don't don't think anybody
probably won't play in case you want to chuck something on there from like yo,
you get to establish this after burner for the game gear or something wants
to put a game gear gear game, I'm to establish it's on the table
if you wanted to it is okay, okay, cool, okay, So
let's see here. Let's keep this up until you transition over. Thank you.
It's just such a fun gif. I've never seen this before. I
haven't either. I like it a lot. It just works. He just
work. You're responsibly big. You know you heard do you do you sign
him on? Can the funny? Now? I haven't watched that yet.
Actually I started watching it. I didn't finish. He says that there's no
fishing in star did see that? Yes, no fishing? Poll you can
like grab fish though, I think that's no fishing. That's no fishing.
I mean, I don't care. How do you think people caught fish before
they invented the fishing? They just fucking grabbing their bare hands. You go
go cat fishing in America, you just do you stick your hand in a
hole, and grow you pull it out stupid because I never said we aren't
sucking stupid. Yeah, there's a difference here, as I feeling annoyed that
the last Sonic game had a fishing mini game and the bethesta game doesn't.
Yeah, I remember you fish with picked the cat. I still haven't.
Oh yeah, yeah, I was waiting for I've been waiting for the draw
distance my game in the year edition. Yeah no, people actually accept the
draw distance, Mike. Here, I wanted to go back to it on
PC, like it looks really nice. Now you say people did you mean
like? Okay, but it does like just fix things. Yeah, that
actually sounds like a good better way to play that game, the last one,
Remember I did. That doesn't sound right, Okay, I did think
first he won the final first. Okay, all right, let's pack you
with the advantage. Okay, make a big puss.