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Hi. My name is Tom Welling. I played Clark Ken on Smallville and

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you are listening to Always Hold On
to Smallville. Welcome to Always on the

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Smallville. In this podcast, we
talked about each and every episode of the

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Young supermand show they around two thousand
and one to two thousand and eleven on

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the WB and the c W.
I'm my host zackmarm drum by two guests

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for this podcast from Always Along to
DC's Legends of Tomorrow. Matt Ricks,

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you said it like it's the first
time you've said it, but I had

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to too be a beat to remember
the former host of Wilson Clark. The

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new podcast is super huh. Yeah. Yeah, it's been a lot,

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so many accolades on the podcast,
and we have joining us for the second

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time. Ray, what's up?
Ray? Hey guys, I don't have

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nearly as many podcast accolades. Good
for you always put on a small Bill

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guest. That's my only post,
that's right. Put that on the resume.

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I am available as a reference should
you this podcast twice ye. So

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you are also a famous Satana cost
player. I mean there's there's certainly more

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well known Satanna caust players, but
yeah, that is what if and when

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um, I'm sparingly like recognize that
conventions, it's usually what I'm wearing z

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Yeah, but that would resume for
real though. Yeah no no, but

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you know really you've been the MC
and A convention recently as well as well

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as many Yeah, I got to
interview nineties Flash John Wesley Ship. Um.

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I was dressed as Zatanna because I
wanted to lean into the DC theme.

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But yeah, that was a lot
of fun. When I can,

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I ask. I'm a big cosplay
fan and only only down but um,

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when you do Satana A do you
have like one Well let's start with this.

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Do you have like one main look
for Zatana or do you have like

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a few kind of like flavors.
I only currently have one. I'm looking

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to add flavors and we we'll can
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later too. But I originally started
caused playing her not because I was a

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comic book fan, but because of
her appearance in small Ville. I thought

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she's Yeah, I thought she's such
a fine character, and I was like,

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I want to know more about her, and then my original as a

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Tanna cosplay was based off of her
Small Villa appearance, and then I started

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going back in the comics and seeing
all the different iterations of her cosplay m

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sor I've ever costume, and so
my cosplay then has kind of taken shape

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based on the comic books, but
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comic books and her small vill appearance. I would love to do some of

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the other costumes that she's act.
She's had some really cool ones, especially

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let me actually wear pants, that
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question. I'm like, is there
one that you're like one day like that's

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my efforts, that's the one I
really want to do from a specific comic

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or artists or whatever. Yeah,
there's there's genuinely a couple, because she's

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had a couple of really cool Honestly, one of the more like the one

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one of the ones that I it's
gonna be a longer term goal because it'll

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be hard to get. But there's
a really great and I think it was

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from one of the cartoons when Zatanna
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he as Doctor Fate, Like the
helmet is really cool. I wouldn't do

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a makeup, which would be awesome. No makeup and wearing pants at a

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convention would be nice. So rad
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just for Halloween this year, and
I was fun. I was gonna do

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it for Comic Con. Didn't go
to Comic Cup blah blah blah. So

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I did it, but I got
this met. Let me just advise you

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do a plastic helmet. I had
a big metal one. It was you

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went metal, you psychopath? Where
else am I going to find a metal

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It was on eBay? What did
you get the right How did you get

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the right size? Oh it's it's
a one sizer forever, but but definitely

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definitely go go lighter and that type
of thing. Yeah, I was thinking

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about um three D printed, but
yeah, right on cool. Matt is

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also costplayed as a small green row. Yes, that's right at San Diego

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a couple of years ago. I
could tell only see that that'd be cool.

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The scrawniest green arrow you've ever seen. I just love that costume.

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That's awesome. I did. I
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sure how tall she is, and
it might just be because most of the

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noise is so short and so petite. But I just did a I guess

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a A short. Lena Luther was
my most reset saw those those are good.

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That was a fun photo. Yeah, we we leaned into what we

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all wished was Cannon. That was
super poor cool. My friends and I

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we were so gay about it.
It was amazing. But yeah, so

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you Ray found was a time out
through Smallville. That was your You're like,

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oh, this is a cool character. I'm gonna take this and dress

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up as her and whatnot. Yeah, I was filled with her through the

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DC Animated universe. She was on
episode of Batman nymated series and then a

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little bit obviously in Justice League.
Matt, I assume that's where you were

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introduced to her as well, Matt, correct, because we're the same person.

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Yes. And then if you guys
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Deini's Detective comics run where he did
like kind of standalone just like great little

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standalone Batman comics, but she was
featured in a couple of those, and

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those are really great. He also
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Yeah, and the Satana Canary,
I don't remember what that's called. I

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honestly think it was just Zatanna and
the Black Canary. Yeah, I had

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like a black magic subtitle or something, but really really cute book that's on

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my two YO lists. I haven't
gotten that one yet. Time good.

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But this is what small was doing
and over the course of its run,

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like introducing characters for the first time
in live action. That was very exciting.

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Right the season, Tona and I
am I'm actually shocked this episode is

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not called Satana like you have episodes
like Perry Zad right, Booster. It's

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like, why is this bizarro?
Why is it's not called yeah so hex

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right, it's a magical spell?
Right? It does not appear in the

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episode, right, I think Lois
and Or as Chloe says, hext at

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some point, but we're not counting
that. Okay, No, we're not.

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Okay, these are the rules.
I'm just saying this is the way.

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So in the deleted scenes, though
Chloe does say it at the end,

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and I want to talk about the
deleted scenes. Did y'all get a

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chance to watch the deleted scenes?
I did, Great. This is something

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I'm doing now as we wrap up
the show in the last two and a

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half seasons, I thought, you
know what, maybe I should send these

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two people to watch before we record
the podcast because how many times I've been

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like, well you don't when the
bbud there's a deleted scene, and my

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poor guests are like, wow,
I didn't I didn't know that. So

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I'm like, okay, well I'll
just talk about it by myself and get

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no feedback because I'm the only one
who seed it. Anyway, we've all

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seen them, and since there's so
many, let's just talk about them now

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before we come into the episode,
and then we can say, hey,

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this is what that was, because
that's always fun. When there's six minutes

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of deleted scenes. Now, that
might not sound like a lot, yeah,

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but as someone who watches the deleted
scenes when they exist before every episode

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of novel, let me tell you
they're usually maybe one or two usually two

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minutes or less. All Right,
you remember this is like a forty two

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minute TV show, so six minutes
is a big chunk, and I don't

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know where it went wrong. We
get the table read or the timing off

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the strip, but I can't believe
they shot all this extra stuff. So

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like a show like this isn't doing
a table read though, so like this

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this must be a page count situation, you know, um, and a

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few of these are tiny. But
then there's there's like, I think two

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like real meaty scenes in this there
are two scenes that needed to begin this

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episode. But let's just so there's
four. Uh. First leaded scene,

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very cute idea. Uh, it's
Chloe who is now in Lois's body or

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not. It's not a freaky Friday
situation. It's it's Chloe has become Lois,

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but also Lois exists as well.
She just happens to be out of

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town. So uh, Chloe pulls
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picture of herself to see if it's
and I thought this was clever to kind

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of see if it's like a quantum
leap situation. It's like, okay,

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am I do I see myself in
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the other people? What do other
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this? And I think that was
the reasoning for that. Okay, that's

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cute. That makes more sense than
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like, girl, you used let
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not seen quantum leap. Oh No, it's a good chow. I always

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gonna be one to break his heart
and tell him anyway. Uh, you

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know, smartphones didn't exist in two
thousand nine, so she couldn't just you

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know, take a picture of herself
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No, not in Kansas, No, No, not in Smallville No.

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So second scene, and these presumably
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the episode, because this one she's
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you know, just takes a picture. The second one, presumably right

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after that, it's Chloe as lois
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uh, looking for Zatana. She
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well, was you're here earlier than
usual? Right? Uh? And it's

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it's it's she's even her wardrobe is
at like weird, like it's like very

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Chloe esque. I thought, Um, but I did a different outfit here

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than it is later when she's got
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Oh, you know what, it
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a different I don't maybe, I
don't know. When this place, I

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thought I thought it was the same
outfit. I thought it was a different

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jacket. Oh that's what it was. A jacket. Good call, good

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call, Thank you. Ray.
Why there's a girl here, but then

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you know what, she can't find
Zatana. You know who she does find,

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Henry James Olsen himself at the Jason
Why is he here? Yeah,

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I don't this This would have been
his only scene. Porter and Ashmore showed

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up for this episode and then got
cut out. And this is druggy Jimmy,

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right. He looks like hell,
as you find out in later episodes,

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he's addicted to his bankkillers. And
it's actually a real good scene and

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a real necessary scene because the interesting
angle is this is Chloe and Jimmy thinks

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that it's Lois, and he's telling
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of what happened. He's like,
yeah, I can't move my wife to

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my back on me work. It's
the worst. And I guess because they

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have this rift right now, she
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Chloe. Let's figure this out.
So she's just it's left hanging there.

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But you know, I look,
I'm the last person who's like, give

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me more. Henry James eils in
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have been a good scene to have. H I agree. I when I

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was watching through all the billion scenes, I think of all of them that

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they're gonna include. One, it
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I think he should have been in
the damn episode. But two, I

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mean it just added a lot more
context to everything, especially when it comes

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up later with Clark and it's like, I'm not going to take side,

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and you know, I see both
sides of it. I think that was

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a really good kind of like clue
into what kind of m Clark was saying,

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um, because we get more of
Jimmy's perspective. So I think the

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I don't think you should have been
cut. I think it was necessary.

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I don't care much about Jimmy,
so I hear what you're saying, But

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I sorry, I totally valid.
Did they mentioned him to your point?

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Right? They mentioned him so much? Ye, Me and Jimmy made you

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and Jimmy jim And then he's not
even in there, not even the episode.

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And to know that he was there, he was on set, like

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they filmed the seed and they just
deleted it. Character. You're absolutely right.

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Yeah, he does have a good
line at the end of the delay

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tune, He's like, you know, right now, I just want to

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be anybody but me. You know
what, I mean, and I was

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just like, yeah I do.
I'm like, look at you, small

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Bill, Like, let's that's good
writing. Like I was so proud of

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them, and they just threw it
away. They threw it all away.

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Is a really long scene though,
Like I guess they couldn't really cut much

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of it down, and that's why
it gets gets why he gets exercised like

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this, right, yeah, I
would hope that this is the last thing

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they cut. They're like, all
right, we really yeah, we cut

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everything else we could, but we
tried to keep this but we couldn't.

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So so we have a little stippett. We have a full scene of a

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character who's not in the episode otherwise
of the you know, it's a very

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important scene for those characters, Chloe
and Jimmy. Our third deleted scene is

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an extension of a scene. And
I actually think this is actually ended up

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much better this way in the episode
cutting it because it's when it's when Clark

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first, you know, loses his
knowledge that he's he's Kryptonian and stuff,

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and Chloe is Lois is like,
aren't you gonna do something? He's like,

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you're absolutely right, Lois. He
pulls out of shoone he's like number

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one, Yes, I like to
report a crime. And they cut the

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commercial. I'm like, oh,
that's hilarious, right, and then the

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actually deleted scene continues on, and
you know, Chloe as Lois, you

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know, sees this and like takes
action, like tackles the guys took us

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a woman's burst and all that.
Clark comes over and he's like, ohoh

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wow, that was really brave,
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it's like it's just leaning into how
silly Clark is at this point. Um,

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I mean cute, but I think
they made the right choice cutting cutting

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out what about y'all? One hundred
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he gets his memories are raised,
it almost feels like he's playing more of

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a Christopher Reeve type Clark. Like
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but yeah, it's it's just it's
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that the joke you know, cut
to commercial there is is much stronger than

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then Chloe is tackling the guy.
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with this, Yeah, I don't
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What's Chloe? Right? I see
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I'm going to call her clothe Okay, thinking of Clark And even though that

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deliand scene um in my notes in
the episode, I have boring Clark is

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extra boring and cliche. Yeah exactly, I'm like, do we mean any

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more of that? We got the
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Yeah, let's go like fair enough
bad news for the future folks. Yeah,

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all right. So then so then
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scene is an entire scene with Chloe
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you know, they center New Mexico. She brings her a some burrow.

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She's like, hey, Coopleanos,
that's Spanish your birthday. I'm like,

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okay, that's that's cute. That's
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a very good scene. I was
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gonna like how are they gonna play
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I hadn't seen this before. I
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forgot because it was years ago when
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like, yeah, somebody hi checked
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these deadlines or whatever, and cho
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me. And the way Lois reacts
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happened, right, like thank you. Finally a character who's been living in

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this show for many years understands this
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uh, I really like how she's
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like the conversation they had here,
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between these two characters, especially because
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on this episode of Yes, Chloe
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many years on this podcast, Chloe
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many years, and they just like
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now you're gonna have a job and
all that stuff, and like that's

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that's kind of weird, and like
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and like Lois tells Chloe, Hey, you might have walked to mile in

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my shoes, but I've always been
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who I am today. I'm like, look at this, this is like

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these are some great scenes you're just
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I was, I was, Lady
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I want to see these characters in
areat how many times have characters died and

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come back and they and they delete
the like reunion scenes, like there's so

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many the leaded scenes on the want
to die. She's back, Chloe died

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and she's back, and there's the
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delete these scenes and it's like this
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think it was really important to kind
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I want Lois's life at least in
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good resolution to that. And they
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a tough one to cut. I
don't know what else you cut to include

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this, But I think this was
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I mean, I think the Chloe
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this been complicated and I think this
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needs like a resolution, but it
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in their relationship. But I think
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kind of this like back and forth
Enis with them and like kind of the

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high school crushing Clark, but even
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I think that verbal kind of resolution
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also kind of just like you said, acknowledging the fact that hey, remember

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when you did all of these things
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so I don't know, that's it. Yeah, it felt necessary. This

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was a really cool scene to see
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this and it ends and like clearly
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like I don't see that scene and
they did exit, like this is the

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one that I really wish they didn't
cut. You get that character development and

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kind of the like end of Chloe
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better way to phrase that, and
she also accused him him like hey,

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by the way, like Clark's totally
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this is important stuff. It's really
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I said the other the Jimmy scene, this, no, this is the

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one they should have considering Lois is
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obviously, and it kind of kind
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nice, good character stuff between the
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this is more important. I don't
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maybe they could have cut this so
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they could have cut and this episode
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oh, by the way, this
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like, oh, when the hecks
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your episode titled the episode would have
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we don't get the plus. So
I wonder if the writers are like always

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try to That's why I admitted that
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they like do this intentionally, but
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they do. Mina was too blind
to see the truth. There were two

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boys that fell to ear affected you
and the traveler who is sat here to

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kill him. You're a hero,
you save people, lashed tower sufficiently online,

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I'm Satanna. I give people what
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you were justined to kill each other. You'll never fulfill your great destiny until

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you meet your greatest challenge. Everything
that's happened to you, it is because

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of me. Fertaly found a way
out of this. I want this to

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be over all new next Thursday at
meat seventh Central. Hex was he seventeenth

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episode of Smallville's eighth season. It
aired on March twenty sixth, two thousand

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and nine. Was written by Brian
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That's something we're doing in season eight
is a ratings watch and ray.

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That's when I ask you, the
guest, what you thought the ratings were

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of this episode. Matt is very
familiar with this game. So to give

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you a couple context clues, Okay, right when to be the previous week's

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episode Turbulence three point four nine million
people watch that show and way back the

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season premiere just for context Odyssey four
point three four million. Oh god,

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so we've lost almost a million.
Well for good reason, but I think

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his Lex Luther's gone, Hey,
weal quick? Great when when watching Smallville

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like in order and whatnot, Um, what did you think of Darth Lex

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in the place of Mike ooh,
since since you brought up that he's gone

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because you're huge Rosenbomb fan, I
don't want to talk about it. Well,

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I think that's your answer. I
think that's your answer, folks it

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Yeah, no one's plan a the
first appearance of that, I would have

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had some stuff to say on your
podcast at um. But yeah, okay,

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so we were looking at three point
what million? Three point four nine?

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Last week? Okay, can I
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three point six two? Oh um, I'll go in between the two then

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I'll say three point five five.
I think it was. Was there a

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kind of can I can I have
another context? Clue? Ye? I

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don't know if you know this,
but in the advertising for this episode,

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was there any mention of our guests
are of like, oh, coming up

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next week, Zatanna or anything?
Must have been right. So, actually,

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the promo for HECKX is like a
combination promo of a lot of episodes,

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which is one of those like it's
like the next month of small Ville,

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Right, there's all kinds of episodes
in there, but Zatana's in there

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and she does say like I have
the power to grant you a wish and

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stuff like that, so okay,
people in the no would know who was

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coming up. Three point five isn't
my guess? Okay? Three point seven

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nine, Wow, that's Satana bump
there maybe so people were, oh,

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no, Michael Rosa moom but you
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have a big factor in these ratings, you know, I mean, it's

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just interesting contract these things, you
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the season was Bloodline. Lor Vanvert
came back as Supergirl four point four or

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five million because people were excited to
see Supergirl come back, right, yeah,

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higher than the premiere even yeah,
and then they just wrote her off

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the show again, immediately get her
out of here where he goes Moallville absolutely

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gosh, drop the ball on that
one, Smallville. But we're here and

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heck's episode for some reason not titled
Satana and Chloe is at the ASA clubs

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alone out in a balcony. It's
just kind of filling with her wedding ring

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because her marriage has gone to crap. I guess that's what's going on there.

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But hey, mysterious figure comes up
behind her hands or box from Clark

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and she's like, oh, Clark, you shouldn't have psych It's not Clark,

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it's Oliver. What did you think
of that? I like this little

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scene between the two. It's it's
hard not to put the like future husband

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and wife context on it watching this, you know, but it's it's cute.

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this was on the writer's mind at

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the time, but it does just
kind of show like how kind of organically

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that relationship first here as a friendship
and you know, working relationship, and

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how that developed. But it was
nice to see these these kind of early

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days of them for me. Yeah, that was what I was gonna say

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too. I like that, like
you said, organic relationship that they had

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kind of have things they genuinely started
as friends. I think that's cute.

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So friends who are often on the
same side of the superhero coin of like

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what we should do next and sometimes
right compared to Clark and sometimes wrong,

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but like a little more the pragmatic
ones, right. I think that's interesting

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about their relationship is like, I
don't think it hit any intention of getting

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these two together when they introduced either
these characters obviously, so they're just writing

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like people like people interacting and have
an interaction, so they're not like,

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hey, guys, they're gonna get
together with all that crap's gone, so

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they can just be natural and organic. I think it's the word here.

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H Clark is busy though. He's
with BArch and they're dealing with the crisis

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in Keystone, Keystone City being one
of the two twin cities that Central City

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is a part of, so some
flash references. They're pretty cool and a

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crisis reference. You know, that's
right. We will see bart again in

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this season finale, so it's not
just throwing out a name we're never gonna

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see again. We actually do see
him again. And what is here but

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the Tales of the Unexplained Book?
What is this book? No one loves

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props more than me, But what
where did this book come from? So

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this book is from Abyss a few
episodes ago. It's from the flashback when

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Coe met Clark. The first day
she moved, she lost a book.

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Clark stole it from the library because
nobody can check out a library book that

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fast. He literally stole it from
the library. He gave it to her,

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and this is him, you know, calling back to that. That's

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a good callback retroactive continuity, but
okay, cool, Well it's a story

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from season one though, are they
talking about it then? I don't know.

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I don't remember they're talking about the
book. Honestly it's this one,

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but it isn't. The story about
their first kiss and stuff is from season

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one, which we see in um
abyss. So anyway, it's if if

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bet a worst case. It's half
retroactive, so I give them credit there

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at least. So anyway, they're
paying attention enough though, I like that.

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Cool. Yeah, so that's pretty
cool. And we we get cut

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a cut away to Lois So when
they're having the time of her life and

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just I don't know what she's doing. She's she's living enough? No what

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with yeah with Rando? Who are
that from? People? But Chloe has

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his quote that was supposed to be
my life and I'm like, at the

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Watchington show it, I'm like,
well, yeah, actually that you make

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a good point. Yeah, how
did you feel about this? I was.

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I felt somewhat vindicated but also offended
at the same time. I didn't

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know how to feel. Um no, because because that was my criticism at

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the time. Like season eight,
they're really they're really doing louis Land a

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good job. But at the same
time, they could have handled that transition

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a little better. And I feel
like this is their attempt to kind of

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smooth that over, and like,
you know, I'm picking up with the

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pudden down right, They're doing it
pretty good. Um, all over things.

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Chloe jealous because she is, like
you were saying, right, like

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still not over this crushed thing,
really, And then Lois comes over here

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just you know, it's a fun
thing to say. But she's like one

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year, one year closer to the
sweet release of death, the biggest smile

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on her face. I love Lois
Lane. Oh man, that's cute.

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Though. That's cute, and I
we need to see more of this stuff.

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We need to see more of them. That's why I like that.

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The lead to see him like them
actually spending time together. I have fun

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together, like this bond that apparently
have almost family if you will. Yeah,

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yeah, Clark is not here because
he's busy. Lois drops on clothe

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They Hey, you know what day
plant, They're gonna They're gonna fly me

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out to Mexico. Uh so I
gotta go. I do. Look,

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it's like all right, leading into
leading into this vantage. Right, but

405
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she says, don't do anything I
wouldn't do. I'm like, that is

406
00:28:00.279 --> 00:28:03.720
good writing because she's literally going to
become her. I was like, get

407
00:28:03.799 --> 00:28:07.000
you. Yeah, I was picking
up, been down for this episode with

408
00:28:07.039 --> 00:28:10.960
this stuff. Okay, but then
Oliver has to go too, and she's

409
00:28:11.000 --> 00:28:12.440
buy her It is sad, she's
buy herself a little tr on, a

410
00:28:12.440 --> 00:28:15.039
little cupcake. I'm like, if
you saw somebody like this in a bar

411
00:28:15.519 --> 00:28:18.680
at her club by by themselves,
you and full start for them too,

412
00:28:18.799 --> 00:28:23.440
right. Yeah, yeah, I
haven't been that person, so don't even

413
00:28:23.519 --> 00:28:29.920
ask. Yeah, I have no
idea what that would feel like. Man,

414
00:28:30.680 --> 00:28:37.440
that couldn't be me, but shut
up. But we have our introduction

415
00:28:38.000 --> 00:28:45.720
to Zatana, the Mistress of Magic
and played by Surrenda Swan. Surrenda Swan

416
00:28:45.839 --> 00:28:49.759
who at the time I think she's
on stands for being in Tron Legacy.

417
00:28:49.880 --> 00:28:53.960
She was like one of the just
one of the background people in Legacy from

418
00:28:55.000 --> 00:28:59.160
Smallville. Uh. Now, of
course today most answer being Medusa in Humans.

419
00:29:00.759 --> 00:29:06.759
That's who that is. Yes,
sir, Wow, I purposely didn't

420
00:29:06.799 --> 00:29:11.039
look her up because I'm like,
YouTube will take care of this. Wow.

421
00:29:11.880 --> 00:29:15.160
Okay. Yeah, so really with
the DC casting huh with fellow Small

422
00:29:15.200 --> 00:29:18.880
Little guest star Instan Mount as black
Bolt. Right, yeah, there you

423
00:29:18.920 --> 00:29:22.640
go. They clearly that Marvel was
just watching small than like casting there the

424
00:29:22.680 --> 00:29:26.200
guest stars as the in Humans there, Ray, did you go deep on

425
00:29:26.799 --> 00:29:30.839
her the actress too? Like when
you first kind of responding to her?

426
00:29:32.720 --> 00:29:34.720
Not really? Um, I looked
up a little bit. I wasn't really

427
00:29:34.799 --> 00:29:38.759
much of a Tron fan. Um, I've yet to see in Humans,

428
00:29:40.039 --> 00:29:44.799
so I haven't either. When you're
doing fine in life, rightly, it's

429
00:29:44.839 --> 00:29:52.079
reputation proceeds it in Humans. Thanks. Ye. Now she was an episode

430
00:29:52.079 --> 00:29:56.640
of New twi Zone written by Jordan
Peel, which is pretty good as well.

431
00:29:56.880 --> 00:30:00.599
Yeah, I'm actually I'm genuinely interested
in that, so I'll have to

432
00:30:00.680 --> 00:30:04.039
watch that. I love The Twilight
Zone the first season. Little here miss

433
00:30:04.039 --> 00:30:07.279
the New twil Zone. Second season's
fantastic. I love the second season.

434
00:30:07.319 --> 00:30:11.480
The second season has been the first
season. Maybe we've got a third season,

435
00:30:11.559 --> 00:30:15.599
but there really so anyway, that's
just that's so like a Jordan Peel

436
00:30:15.680 --> 00:30:19.680
fan will enjoy the second season.
Well, I think you'll enjoy both seasons.

437
00:30:19.720 --> 00:30:22.119
But I just thought that I thought
the second season was stronger than two

438
00:30:23.119 --> 00:30:26.759
and she's in that one in an
episode I believe it was. I don't

439
00:30:26.759 --> 00:30:30.880
know if it was directed. It
was definitely written by Jordan Peel. A

440
00:30:30.039 --> 00:30:34.279
small Ville like suddenly this season,
and I think it's because of the a

441
00:30:34.599 --> 00:30:41.759
the lack of Rosenbaum frankly and be
the kind of like Lowis and clarkification of

442
00:30:41.880 --> 00:30:48.119
this show slowly, like just page
to screen Zatana. It was so exciting

443
00:30:48.200 --> 00:30:52.079
at the time when this episode first
came out, and and we'd had a

444
00:30:52.200 --> 00:30:55.519
few things like this this season,
you know, like Plastic not so much,

445
00:30:55.559 --> 00:30:57.480
toy Man a little bit closer,
and then it's her and by the

446
00:30:57.599 --> 00:31:02.599
end of the episode, she's like
screaming at the heavens and speaking backwards and

447
00:31:02.680 --> 00:31:06.559
it's like, Wow, they like
really went for this. This was thrilling

448
00:31:06.599 --> 00:31:10.119
to watch at the time. Yeah, I think of all of like the

449
00:31:11.759 --> 00:31:14.799
other DC characters they could have brought
in, I think it's so fun they

450
00:31:14.839 --> 00:31:18.039
brought in her. And I think
part of the reason that I responded to

451
00:31:18.759 --> 00:31:21.920
Zatana so much when she first came
on stream and then do this episode and

452
00:31:21.960 --> 00:31:30.359
then later ones was I liked the
idea of I mean, Clark isn't hurt

453
00:31:30.440 --> 00:31:34.200
by much and so I affected by
magic, and I think it's so fun

454
00:31:34.319 --> 00:31:41.519
that she has that power over him
because she's like, Okay, yeah,

455
00:31:41.519 --> 00:31:45.119
I'll kind of be your ally,
but you know, don't don't mess with

456
00:31:45.279 --> 00:31:49.440
me because like, you know what
I can do. I kind of like

457
00:31:49.519 --> 00:31:53.079
that she has that little edge on
him. I think that's fun. And

458
00:31:53.200 --> 00:31:56.519
she's in it for herself. She's
not really like a hero hero in the

459
00:31:56.559 --> 00:32:00.160
small though universe. She's still kind
of very much in it for herself and

460
00:32:00.279 --> 00:32:02.200
she's like, yeah, you know, at the very end, she's like,

461
00:32:02.279 --> 00:32:06.759
okay, Oliver, like maybe we'll
you know, I'll be on your

462
00:32:06.799 --> 00:32:09.000
side next time or whatever like she
had about it. And I think that's

463
00:32:09.000 --> 00:32:15.720
really fun. It is something that
I love about the the kind of DC

464
00:32:15.960 --> 00:32:21.799
dynamic with magic, where I mean, obviously there's like Justice League Dark and

465
00:32:21.880 --> 00:32:24.279
stuff. There are books that are
that focus on the magic and whatnot,

466
00:32:24.400 --> 00:32:29.519
But when you get like a core
Justice League er with a magic person,

467
00:32:29.599 --> 00:32:32.319
they're always like, all right,
you're the weirdo, but you're also I

468
00:32:32.440 --> 00:32:36.599
have to acknowledge the most powerful person
here, so like you tell us what

469
00:32:36.720 --> 00:32:38.119
to do for a second, and
then that's kind of the you know,

470
00:32:38.279 --> 00:32:45.279
what you're saying there, and and
this power that like she can put Superman

471
00:32:45.319 --> 00:32:52.519
in the corner like that. That's
that's so cool. M So she is

472
00:32:52.559 --> 00:32:55.440
at this party to talk to Oliver
Queens. It turns out, yeah,

473
00:32:55.480 --> 00:32:58.359
she's trying to get his He's trying, you know, he's trying to duck

474
00:32:58.400 --> 00:32:59.920
out. She's, oh, hey, kind of you look like a man

475
00:33:00.000 --> 00:33:00.599
and he needs a witch. She's
like, ah, yeah, but hey,

476
00:33:00.640 --> 00:33:04.440
why don't you talk to the birthday
girl over here? And I love

477
00:33:04.480 --> 00:33:08.440
how the pan was like, yeah, rough birthday, huh, well make

478
00:33:13.200 --> 00:33:17.559
how do we feel about her power? Is this a thing from the comics?

479
00:33:17.599 --> 00:33:20.599
I was going to ask y'all,
like the whole I can grant you

480
00:33:20.720 --> 00:33:22.720
a wish. I knew the backwards
speaking from the animated shows and whatnot,

481
00:33:22.759 --> 00:33:27.640
but I wasn't sure about her one
power is the wish thing? Hey?

482
00:33:27.759 --> 00:33:30.160
I think they had to nerve her
power a bit for her intro to Small

483
00:33:30.240 --> 00:33:34.240
though, because in the comics,
at least the ones that I had read,

484
00:33:34.359 --> 00:33:38.759
she's pretty dang powerful. Yeah,
but I think they kind of had

485
00:33:38.799 --> 00:33:44.119
to nerve and limit her powers somewhat
to almost like there's things like Mystic You

486
00:33:44.359 --> 00:33:46.480
and there's like Young Justice and things
like that, where her power isn't quite

487
00:33:47.519 --> 00:33:53.680
so powerful, so forgot about her
and Young Justice. That's yeah, So

488
00:33:54.240 --> 00:34:00.880
I think they kind of had to
make her not so overly powerful, especially

489
00:34:00.880 --> 00:34:07.079
because of her later appearances. She's
obviously more powerful. Um, but yeah,

490
00:34:07.119 --> 00:34:10.679
I think they kind of had to
limit her a little bit. I

491
00:34:10.800 --> 00:34:15.199
think I don't think it was too
bad of a small aplication, so to

492
00:34:15.239 --> 00:34:19.679
speak, because because later on we
see her like the chains and the backwards

493
00:34:19.679 --> 00:34:21.360
speak and stuff like, because we
get that, I'm like, oh,

494
00:34:21.360 --> 00:34:22.760
okay, she was just kind of
like keep it, keeping it close to

495
00:34:22.760 --> 00:34:27.920
the vessel to speak. Here,
there's also the kind of implication that not

496
00:34:28.079 --> 00:34:31.400
that this is as origin story as
it is for Clarke obviously, but like

497
00:34:31.719 --> 00:34:35.480
she hasn't had the book yet.
Like the implication at the end of this

498
00:34:35.719 --> 00:34:37.400
is like I've got some reading to
do if I'm ever going to catch up

499
00:34:37.440 --> 00:34:39.960
to Dad or whatever. And it's
like, next time we see her now

500
00:34:40.440 --> 00:34:44.559
there's license for her to be as
powerful as we need her to be,

501
00:34:45.000 --> 00:34:50.119
absolutely right, but right now she's
just gonna make sure Chloe has a better

502
00:34:50.199 --> 00:34:54.159
day tomorrow. She's like big wish, right, and so it's it's a

503
00:34:54.920 --> 00:34:58.039
it's a moment where where you know, it's a whole wish before you blow

504
00:34:58.039 --> 00:35:00.880
your candle thing, right, And
Chloe glances overseas sees Lois having a time

505
00:35:00.920 --> 00:35:02.880
for life, talking on the phone, waiting on an elevator, and it's

506
00:35:02.880 --> 00:35:05.880
like, I want that life,
right, and for that moment, that's

507
00:35:05.920 --> 00:35:08.000
what she wants. She makes her
wish. We see her go home.

508
00:35:08.519 --> 00:35:10.719
She goes home. She lays that
we've all been there. You've had it.

509
00:35:10.760 --> 00:35:14.719
You've had a night, sometimes a
really good night, sometimes really bad

510
00:35:14.800 --> 00:35:15.840
night, but you just flop down
on the bed and go to sleep.

511
00:35:16.440 --> 00:35:20.079
But I would have released taken the
tr off Fira. I would find that

512
00:35:20.119 --> 00:35:23.159
very immofiable to sleep with. But
anyway, and we've all had moments where

513
00:35:23.199 --> 00:35:25.800
we wake up and we look like
Erica Duran's and we're like, oh no,

514
00:35:29.320 --> 00:35:31.239
I would I would be like all
right, and that would you know?

515
00:35:31.280 --> 00:35:36.079
I would Yeah, yeah, I
think all three of us would be

516
00:35:36.119 --> 00:35:37.800
like, well, I get this
is I can work with this. Yep,

517
00:35:37.960 --> 00:35:40.559
let's go with it. I love
I love the reveal though, right,

518
00:35:40.559 --> 00:35:45.880
because like we see, like we
get she goes to sleep. Cut

519
00:35:45.960 --> 00:35:47.400
to the morning she puts her feet
into her slippers and her feet here too

520
00:35:47.480 --> 00:35:50.960
big for the slippers, right,
like, oh first hint, right,

521
00:35:51.159 --> 00:35:54.079
walks over to walks over to the
mirror, and then we pan off and

522
00:35:54.199 --> 00:35:58.400
she's like, oh my god,
I'm loss And I'm like, oh,

523
00:35:58.559 --> 00:36:01.679
look at that and the face expression, the little Alison Mack twitchy's facial expressions.

524
00:36:01.679 --> 00:36:04.679
I think your durance is a good
job with that. I want to

525
00:36:04.719 --> 00:36:07.519
ask you guys, you know,
the gold standard for an actor playing another

526
00:36:07.559 --> 00:36:16.360
actor playing a character is Tom Welling
playing Lionel Luther in transference. Like that's

527
00:36:16.400 --> 00:36:22.239
the most fantastic performance, right,
Um, what do y'all think of durance

528
00:36:22.360 --> 00:36:27.639
channel channeling Alison Macker. I think
it was good. Like you said,

529
00:36:27.639 --> 00:36:30.039
like the twitchiness, I think she
definitely had down Um. Also, I

530
00:36:30.119 --> 00:36:35.280
was noticing like her aligned delivery and
like her speech cadence, especially in some

531
00:36:35.360 --> 00:36:42.039
of the banter with Clark. It
was definitely like quicker um, whereas lois

532
00:36:42.159 --> 00:36:44.800
kind of whatever she's like talking with
Clark kind of takes the more. I

533
00:36:44.840 --> 00:36:45.960
mean, she has like a quick
wit, but she takes a bit more

534
00:36:46.000 --> 00:36:52.559
of a slow burn, whereas Alison
Mack is a bit more like you know,

535
00:36:52.840 --> 00:36:55.599
quick and flittery and chirpy, and
her quick kind of retort with him.

536
00:36:55.960 --> 00:37:00.480
So I think she definitely changed her
cadence that I noticed. Thought it's

537
00:37:00.519 --> 00:37:02.000
funny you said chirpi. It was
exactly the word I was thinking of.

538
00:37:02.239 --> 00:37:07.199
But yeah, absolutely, it's it's
it's a good performance. It's hard when

539
00:37:07.239 --> 00:37:12.760
you compare it to like tom As
as Lionel, because it's like, well,

540
00:37:12.800 --> 00:37:16.360
that's that's so that's two opposite sides
of the coin, where like these

541
00:37:16.519 --> 00:37:22.159
characters are very similar, as you've
pointed out for years now, So it's

542
00:37:22.239 --> 00:37:25.159
it's a more subtle thing. But
I think the writing really helps, and

543
00:37:25.320 --> 00:37:30.199
I think like Erica has done scenes
with this woman for years now, and

544
00:37:30.280 --> 00:37:36.119
she's just just just kind of can
pick up those little mannerism of things and

545
00:37:36.199 --> 00:37:40.360
those little uh line deliveries that I
bought. I bought really well. Like

546
00:37:40.679 --> 00:37:45.519
there is a noted difference at the
end when Lois comes back and you're like,

547
00:37:45.719 --> 00:37:53.159
yes, there's my girl. Okay, there's a little bit more confidence

548
00:37:53.599 --> 00:38:00.320
to to Lois even even now here
and obviously that scene especially, but yeah,

549
00:38:00.400 --> 00:38:04.039
there's there's a there's a little bit
more of the kind of not lost

550
00:38:04.119 --> 00:38:09.440
puppy dog but less confident um as
as Chloe, and I think she does

551
00:38:09.480 --> 00:38:13.519
a great job with it. Yeah, this is the perfect way to watch

552
00:38:13.559 --> 00:38:21.239
a Chloe episode, by the way, in current times so true. You

553
00:38:21.320 --> 00:38:23.000
know, even the episode, it's
it's telling you we're gonna have fun this

554
00:38:23.039 --> 00:38:25.639
episode, y'all because this is fun. The music is fun. You're like,

555
00:38:25.719 --> 00:38:30.960
oh, it's gonna be fun.
And we got the open credits to

556
00:38:30.079 --> 00:38:34.920
come back, and uh, Choe
as Lois. We're gonna just call her

557
00:38:35.000 --> 00:38:38.519
Chloe because that that's who she is, right she she calls Lois on the

558
00:38:38.559 --> 00:38:42.519
phone, I guess to I think
to make sure it's not a freaky Friday

559
00:38:42.599 --> 00:38:45.280
situation. Move great move, anything
weird going on there? No, And

560
00:38:45.400 --> 00:38:50.079
it works because Lois is in this
jeep in the desert or something she can't

561
00:38:50.079 --> 00:38:57.320
really hear. She's like, you
don't really sound like herself. I do

562
00:38:57.519 --> 00:39:01.079
love to like everything going well down. Yeah, except for like the human

563
00:39:01.159 --> 00:39:07.440
trafficking or in drugs or whatever.
Yeah, thing's fine, Matt, Should

564
00:39:07.480 --> 00:39:10.159
this be you're not yourself? Because
she says you don't sound like yourself.

565
00:39:10.199 --> 00:39:15.679
I don't know. I mean,
she's yeah, okay, well but but

566
00:39:15.960 --> 00:39:19.920
but the lion. The lion is
you're not yourself. It has to be

567
00:39:20.000 --> 00:39:22.159
there. Yeah, okay, well, I mean you don't sound like yourself.

568
00:39:22.239 --> 00:39:29.119
I'm like that, that does it
for me. But I I I'm

569
00:39:29.199 --> 00:39:32.159
not here to go against you know, the cannon of the podcast. So

570
00:39:32.719 --> 00:39:36.920
what do you think Ray You'll be
You'll be the deciding factor. Oh my

571
00:39:37.039 --> 00:39:39.000
god, there's so much pressure.
This is what I'm saying, Like,

572
00:39:39.480 --> 00:39:44.559
this is too much for us to
handle. It's pressure. I mean,

573
00:39:45.480 --> 00:39:49.840
I think statement wise, I think
you don't sound like yourself is a different

574
00:39:49.880 --> 00:39:54.239
statement. It's hard to argue in
the black and white there. All right,

575
00:39:54.320 --> 00:40:00.840
all right, judges say at no
dally Board audition, Sorry tally Board.

576
00:40:01.199 --> 00:40:05.199
But how are we doing on Chloe
Kills? Where are we with che

577
00:40:07.760 --> 00:40:13.199
So after determining this, uh,
it's it's just fun to see Lois talk

578
00:40:13.199 --> 00:40:15.519
to Lois on the phone like that. That's just a cool, fun visual.

579
00:40:15.559 --> 00:40:17.559
I'm cutting back and forth and that
also helps you see the two different

580
00:40:17.639 --> 00:40:22.000
kind of angles that Dereka Duran's taken
to it. But we take this and

581
00:40:22.119 --> 00:40:27.280
we go we go to work,
Chloe goes to work. Get this nice

582
00:40:27.360 --> 00:40:29.920
point of view shot of like her, you know, the being John Malkovic

583
00:40:30.039 --> 00:40:34.320
camp for going down the stairs and
people like, oh, hey, Lois,

584
00:40:34.400 --> 00:40:37.760
good to see guy. Here's your
coffee, here's your here's your don't

585
00:40:37.760 --> 00:40:39.559
worry. Don't worry, miss Lane. You'll remember my name one of these

586
00:40:39.639 --> 00:40:44.559
days. Love it? Who is
that kid? I want to give him

587
00:40:44.599 --> 00:40:46.880
a hug, but Clark I forget
what his name is, but Clark knows

588
00:40:46.920 --> 00:40:50.440
it. Later I'm like, excellent, yeah, yeah, just being in

589
00:40:50.440 --> 00:40:54.840
the wrong coffee to day or I
don't even Yeah, you're so right,

590
00:40:54.880 --> 00:41:02.440
it's funny. Can we talk about
Chloe's Lois outfit like it felt? It

591
00:41:02.599 --> 00:41:07.760
felt right to me as as a
Chloe outfit, But then Clark's line really

592
00:41:07.800 --> 00:41:10.039
confused me, where He's like,
I don't, you're kind of pushing how

593
00:41:10.119 --> 00:41:15.079
tight a short can be to be
dressed? Yeah, what are we saying

594
00:41:15.199 --> 00:41:19.679
about this outfit? What are we
saying about Chloe? This is lowest fitting

595
00:41:19.679 --> 00:41:25.239
into Chloe's clothes, That's what the
uh okay? I really didn't get that,

596
00:41:25.480 --> 00:41:29.480
but I thought they were saying like, yeah, Chloe always dresses,

597
00:41:29.599 --> 00:41:31.480
you know, more provocatively. I'm
like, Chloe, no, what you

598
00:41:31.599 --> 00:41:36.760
know? No, I said,
has bigger boobs? Cute Okay, I

599
00:41:36.880 --> 00:41:39.199
like that. That's that's what it
is. Yeah, it was like a

600
00:41:39.360 --> 00:41:52.400
foot taller Superman's Boy and that's Cannon. Justin Hartley isn't even chained up yet

601
00:41:52.440 --> 00:41:55.920
and you're already talking about boob could
come up. Yeah, have some respect.

602
00:41:57.000 --> 00:42:00.360
This is a a ton of episode. While you're not wrong, me

603
00:42:00.440 --> 00:42:07.559
and my fish net to say,
how dare you nice? Yeah, Chloe

604
00:42:07.679 --> 00:42:12.840
is admiring the desk here like Lois
all these press badges and then a picture

605
00:42:12.840 --> 00:42:16.920
with the Dolly Llama. Yep,
I love how cluttered Lois's desk is too,

606
00:42:17.039 --> 00:42:20.679
Like this is so hard. I
don't know, Like I question if

607
00:42:20.719 --> 00:42:22.719
that was did Erica Duran's meet the
dolli Lama because that looked like some pretty

608
00:42:22.719 --> 00:42:25.079
good photoshop for this shows standards.
If it was, I'm just saying,

609
00:42:25.199 --> 00:42:29.840
so I've seen some really bad photoshop
on this show, so maybe she did.

610
00:42:30.440 --> 00:42:34.079
But uh yeah no, I just
said. Clark comes in comments on

611
00:42:34.119 --> 00:42:37.199
a rototrope, as we said,
and I really I really like this energy

612
00:42:37.239 --> 00:42:39.239
here. I feel like we're getting
this insight into like their every day that

613
00:42:39.360 --> 00:42:43.119
we usually don't get between the two
of them. Clark just making this small

614
00:42:43.199 --> 00:42:47.440
talk and this or that, and
I uh, we find out that like

615
00:42:47.639 --> 00:42:54.679
Klois called Clark like five times and
clothes like, oh so you had time

616
00:42:54.719 --> 00:42:59.280
to do that, but not called
Chloe's sad birthday and Clark's like Chloe knows

617
00:42:59.320 --> 00:43:07.320
I'm dizzy, Like we've all been
there. Yeah anyway, UM, loved

618
00:43:07.400 --> 00:43:13.320
that. I loved this whole.
It's still this kind of brothers sisty energy

619
00:43:13.639 --> 00:43:15.840
between the two of them. I
don't say in like a creepy way,

620
00:43:15.920 --> 00:43:22.639
but like that kind of like I
don't know, I love you because you

621
00:43:22.760 --> 00:43:25.280
annoy me type thing, and it's
really fun. Again, the Lowis and

622
00:43:25.360 --> 00:43:30.639
clarkification of this show is kind of
raging Sepreme here his little line of like

623
00:43:30.079 --> 00:43:34.519
can't this wait till you're after lunch, pre dinner, post coffee snack break,

624
00:43:34.559 --> 00:43:38.559
and I'm like incredible, you know, perfect for both of them to

625
00:43:38.760 --> 00:43:45.159
know this, you know, like
how Clark took a Jimmy side in this

626
00:43:45.480 --> 00:43:50.199
uh in this breakup. I thought
that was very interesting because there's two sides

627
00:43:50.280 --> 00:43:53.440
every story. Some Davis shade coming
in. Yeah, yeah, that'd I've

628
00:43:53.480 --> 00:43:58.000
been wrong about the Davia's bloom of
zergular thing, but you know, you

629
00:43:58.079 --> 00:44:00.199
got a bloint. You know,
how can you be with someone doers for

630
00:44:00.280 --> 00:44:02.280
you? So I'm like, oh, wow, okay, And then hearing

631
00:44:02.320 --> 00:44:06.199
I was like, oh my god. You know they get a call,

632
00:44:06.480 --> 00:44:09.480
right, there's a standoff, please
standoff? And uh, she's kind of

633
00:44:09.480 --> 00:44:13.280
slow to slow to the game.
Clarks like aren't she the one usually taking

634
00:44:13.320 --> 00:44:15.880
me out the door? And then
and then Cloe is like, start your

635
00:44:15.920 --> 00:44:24.559
engines, small villain. I wrote
that down in quotations like start your engine

636
00:44:25.239 --> 00:44:32.360
small small bill like again, because
one of the main differences between these two

637
00:44:32.440 --> 00:44:37.519
characters, while with all their similarities, is that Lois is so confident,

638
00:44:37.079 --> 00:44:42.360
and that was the least confident.
However, I've heard Eric Ran says the

639
00:44:42.400 --> 00:44:45.079
word small bill um, and so
it was just it was very funny music

640
00:44:45.159 --> 00:44:51.840
start your engines small small though.
Yes, that was the first time it

641
00:44:51.960 --> 00:44:53.679
really clicked in for me. I'm
like, oh, Eric's great, and

642
00:44:53.760 --> 00:44:59.239
it's like Eric is really It's just
one of those dumb things. I was

643
00:44:59.280 --> 00:45:00.800
just kind of like in the episode
watching him, like oh, clue,

644
00:45:01.639 --> 00:45:07.159
but like then like, oh no, she's like the actress is doing some

645
00:45:07.400 --> 00:45:14.239
great stuff here. So we uh
we cut to Luther corp In Oliver's new

646
00:45:14.320 --> 00:45:19.320
office, Luther corp Um. You
know we feel about this off I think

647
00:45:19.400 --> 00:45:22.400
Alex and Lionel's offices were much cooler. I don't know, a great I

648
00:45:22.559 --> 00:45:27.960
always thought this looked real stupid.
This is real cheap looking. Yea,

649
00:45:28.920 --> 00:45:30.519
hey, it's better than the plane
that they've been on. We saw the

650
00:45:30.559 --> 00:45:34.440
plane ball in the last episode,
and I think maybe we're finally done with

651
00:45:34.480 --> 00:45:37.360
a plane. Maybe we're finally done
with Oliver hanging out on his plane in

652
00:45:37.440 --> 00:45:43.000
the runway, he said, with
hope in his eyes. Yeah again,

653
00:45:43.159 --> 00:45:45.480
I mean, you know where else
would a rich white guy hang out?

654
00:45:45.559 --> 00:45:49.840
Then put it in a hangar?
Like that's like, why is it on

655
00:45:49.920 --> 00:45:52.199
the runway? All that's he's just
on a computer, on a desktop computer

656
00:45:52.760 --> 00:46:00.920
on his plane doing research. So
ridiculous. Yea Wi Fi there, yeah,

657
00:46:00.559 --> 00:46:07.400
right, like we do. There's
a really long ethernet going from the

658
00:46:07.480 --> 00:46:13.480
airport into the Yeah, because we
don't have cell phones, so we gotta

659
00:46:13.519 --> 00:46:16.960
know we don't have phones. Dark
Ages of two thousand and nine. I've

660
00:46:17.039 --> 00:46:23.280
always hated that Queen in the Queen
Family decal that they put on the walls,

661
00:46:23.519 --> 00:46:25.960
Like that's what kind of kills this
set did? You not like it

662
00:46:27.039 --> 00:46:30.239
in his clock Tower set either.
I didn't mind it in the clock Tower

663
00:46:30.360 --> 00:46:35.039
set because it's I don't I don't
know why exactly, like I can't defend

664
00:46:35.199 --> 00:46:38.119
my choices. It's just like an
ascetic reaction. But I remember seeing this

665
00:46:38.599 --> 00:46:43.239
like for the first time and being
like, oh no, this once really

666
00:46:43.280 --> 00:46:49.079
beautiful set looks real stupid. Yeah, because Test's office is now Daily Planet,

667
00:46:49.639 --> 00:46:52.960
right, so so this which is
a great office that we built for

668
00:46:52.039 --> 00:46:55.639
Carrie Fisher and has done as well
ever since then, is that No,

669
00:46:55.800 --> 00:46:59.960
They've they've torned that down and rebuild
it. Sets the man, I think

670
00:47:00.199 --> 00:47:01.320
that's the same one. There's no
way. I don't know. I don't

671
00:47:01.320 --> 00:47:05.840
think we saw that office at all, like in season five or after the

672
00:47:05.880 --> 00:47:07.920
after that, but that's that's the
one office they have, Like, that's

673
00:47:07.960 --> 00:47:10.400
the office that Lewis and Clark are
in the like Homecoming. You know,

674
00:47:10.519 --> 00:47:14.440
I gotta pay I gotta pay closer
attention to that is sorry, let's go

675
00:47:14.519 --> 00:47:16.320
back to season five. Then let's
put this on hold. And yeah,

676
00:47:17.880 --> 00:47:21.280
no, I agree, And then
hey, if you're trying to not give

677
00:47:21.320 --> 00:47:24.400
away the fact that you're um a
green arrow, maybe not have your family

678
00:47:24.440 --> 00:47:29.199
crash with bows and arrows and then
green arrows, all these quivers on the

679
00:47:29.639 --> 00:47:32.360
wall, like what are you doing
mad? Anyway? Secret? I didn't

680
00:47:32.400 --> 00:47:36.960
he fail for this guy? Um? But he picks up this newspaper and

681
00:47:37.000 --> 00:47:42.719
it's this search for continues, search
continues for Luther murderer because they've Oliver killed

682
00:47:42.800 --> 00:47:45.280
Lex Suther a few episodes ago,
and he framed the toy man as we

683
00:47:45.360 --> 00:47:50.079
all know, with a monkey bomb. Yes, legs Uther died bomb in

684
00:47:50.159 --> 00:47:53.880
a monkey Yes. As I always
do, I freeze frame these and kind

685
00:47:53.880 --> 00:47:57.280
of read the newspaper and I'll post
the screen shot. But like, so

686
00:47:57.400 --> 00:47:59.000
I read the headline. I'm like, okay, and there's a Lex Uther

687
00:47:59.039 --> 00:48:01.320
picture. But then underneath this is
Lex Luthor donates one million dollars to high

688
00:48:01.320 --> 00:48:04.519
school. I was like what.
And it's like, is this from some

689
00:48:04.760 --> 00:48:08.400
leftover like somebody. They've been doing
really well about these newspaper proptily, but

690
00:48:08.440 --> 00:48:13.280
this time somebody just plugged that in
from season three or four. It's like

691
00:48:13.400 --> 00:48:15.039
Lex Luthor, CEO of Luther Corp. I'm like, oh, come on,

692
00:48:15.159 --> 00:48:19.320
man, he's dead in the first
headline, get with it. The

693
00:48:19.519 --> 00:48:22.679
art department was really busy. They're
making all this Satana stuff for this episode,

694
00:48:22.800 --> 00:48:28.199
you know. Sorry, So then
uh, Szatana comes in to meet

695
00:48:28.239 --> 00:48:30.599
to meet Oliver and h that's when
we kind of find out that guy she

696
00:48:30.719 --> 00:48:36.280
was really there to meet Oliver at
the party and find out that her her

697
00:48:36.320 --> 00:48:38.320
father is dead. And Oliver was
like, hey, I know what it's

698
00:48:38.360 --> 00:48:40.360
like to lose family. So you
know, there's a good connection here all

699
00:48:40.400 --> 00:48:44.760
these characters like kind of connecting on
their loss. I think it's a good

700
00:48:44.840 --> 00:48:50.360
kind of through line between all these
characters. Huh m hmm. It's the

701
00:48:50.480 --> 00:48:52.679
it's the DC comics way right,
Like they're all kind of orphans in in

702
00:48:52.840 --> 00:48:57.920
one way or another. I think
that I hear like dead parents. Yep.

703
00:49:00.079 --> 00:49:05.360
I love this idea that's introduced here
that like, um, her book

704
00:49:05.519 --> 00:49:08.760
was was collected by the Luthor's because
like we know that they've got so much

705
00:49:08.760 --> 00:49:12.960
stuff all like we've seen this happen
before, you know, Like it's just

706
00:49:13.480 --> 00:49:16.559
I thought that was a really nice
way to kind of keep the the Luther

707
00:49:16.760 --> 00:49:22.039
legacy alive here without having to use
the characters obviously. Yeah, I think

708
00:49:22.079 --> 00:49:24.119
so too. I mean, even
though we didn't see the auction where he

709
00:49:24.159 --> 00:49:27.280
bought this as you said, Mat, how many saves we've have? We

710
00:49:27.320 --> 00:49:32.119
been in some bimagical maps and you
know candidates. He bought this in season

711
00:49:32.159 --> 00:49:36.920
four. I think he would help
him with Yeah, right right, he

712
00:49:37.039 --> 00:49:42.000
outbid Clarie and the witch Boy.
You know. Oh but Oliver here,

713
00:49:42.039 --> 00:49:44.360
he's funny. He's like, can't
she just like well your nose or something,

714
00:49:44.400 --> 00:49:46.039
and fullest lot of that. It's
like cute, but I don't know

715
00:49:46.119 --> 00:49:51.159
that kind of magic, all right? And the big an interesting distinction here

716
00:49:51.199 --> 00:49:53.519
about how like she makes this.
Oliver is in charge of Luther Orp now

717
00:49:53.559 --> 00:49:57.440
because Luther Coorp and Queen's resubmerged.
And she's like, oh, well you

718
00:49:57.480 --> 00:49:59.760
could Liken get some of the stuff, right, And he's like, well,

719
00:50:00.079 --> 00:50:05.039
Lex's lawyers only near his private collection, like okay, So then you

720
00:50:05.079 --> 00:50:07.400
know later on he breaks into a
big building. It's his luth Grup on

721
00:50:07.480 --> 00:50:09.960
it. So yeah, that was
my question. And he does like a

722
00:50:10.360 --> 00:50:15.320
he takes out guards with like whatever, sleepy arrows and it's like, you'll

723
00:50:15.360 --> 00:50:19.360
get a Christmas bonus or whatever.
I'm like, so do you control this

724
00:50:19.440 --> 00:50:22.239
building? Yeah? Right? So
so so Ray, I don't know your

725
00:50:22.280 --> 00:50:25.719
feelings on one Roman nineteen eighty four
but I just starting to get a vibe

726
00:50:25.760 --> 00:50:29.599
of that from Zatana's powers here.
You know, this one wish thing.

727
00:50:29.800 --> 00:50:37.440
Oh she is certainly she's suddenly Maxwell
Lord, Yeah this is the way.

728
00:50:37.159 --> 00:50:43.800
Yeah, yeah, that's yeah,
that's interesting. Yeah. Again, I

729
00:50:45.119 --> 00:50:49.480
the wish thing works for the episode, but it still bothers me knowing how

730
00:50:49.519 --> 00:50:53.280
powerful she is in the comics,
like she explains it here, like and

731
00:50:53.400 --> 00:50:58.519
like she she is presenting herself like, oh yeah, I don't know any

732
00:50:58.559 --> 00:51:00.800
magic. This is the one thing
I could do. Is that also freaky?

733
00:51:01.039 --> 00:51:06.320
Right? Yeah, it's very media
freaky level. But again, I

734
00:51:06.440 --> 00:51:13.360
mean this is a bit more origin
story for her. The wish thing still

735
00:51:13.440 --> 00:51:17.480
kind of bothers me at this point. Okay, all right, powerful,

736
00:51:19.039 --> 00:51:21.880
you can do so much more.
Although I mean the only thing that I

737
00:51:22.000 --> 00:51:24.840
do kind of like about it is
the motivation of her father. That is,

738
00:51:24.880 --> 00:51:30.119
like our primary kind of storyline into
comics is going on and doing the

739
00:51:30.199 --> 00:51:31.719
magic and everything for her father,
trying to reconnect with him and everything.

740
00:51:32.440 --> 00:51:39.320
Um, and so I I guess
in a way it makes sense because she

741
00:51:39.400 --> 00:51:45.000
does have to learn to become more
powerful. Yeah. I don't know,

742
00:51:46.480 --> 00:51:51.639
when you were talking there, reminded
I think from that that is a ton

743
00:51:51.719 --> 00:51:53.719
of Black Canary. I don't know
which one comes first national title, but

744
00:51:53.920 --> 00:52:00.280
but in that book there's there's like
a reference to like it's not just about

745
00:52:00.280 --> 00:52:04.239
speaking the words backwards, it's about
it's about the inflection and like getting it

746
00:52:04.519 --> 00:52:07.920
getting it correct, like really kind
of studying the way you're saying these things,

747
00:52:08.440 --> 00:52:13.519
and like I that I so respond
to that, and I like the

748
00:52:13.679 --> 00:52:17.679
idea that like she can do that
a little bit here, but she really

749
00:52:17.760 --> 00:52:22.719
will have to go away and kind
of study the book and put the time

750
00:52:22.760 --> 00:52:28.519
in, right. Yeah, Now, I usually don't like magic in these

751
00:52:28.559 --> 00:52:30.400
things because I'm like, I'm over
sci fi guy then a fantasy guy,

752
00:52:31.039 --> 00:52:35.360
Wonder Woman nine tenty four being a
prime example, Like maybe should avoid some

753
00:52:35.440 --> 00:52:38.519
of those things. So the rules
are very vague, right, yeah,

754
00:52:39.000 --> 00:52:42.280
and you know you have to be
very clear tonight. I think they do

755
00:52:42.360 --> 00:52:44.960
a good job of making it clear
here what she is and is incapable of

756
00:52:45.119 --> 00:52:46.760
with the one, even though it
has it limits her powers as being over

757
00:52:46.840 --> 00:52:50.199
from the comics and other sources like
at least okay, you get what she's

758
00:52:50.199 --> 00:52:52.599
all about, right, but she
says its toll over here, She's like,

759
00:52:52.639 --> 00:52:54.920
oh, so hey, get me
this book, right, I'll grant

760
00:52:54.920 --> 00:53:00.320
you a wish. I'm sure there's
something you forget this right, or something

761
00:53:00.320 --> 00:53:04.639
you might have duney want to take
back right. And it's like it hits

762
00:53:04.679 --> 00:53:09.280
on Oliver regretting that he killed Lex, all right, and then I don't

763
00:53:09.400 --> 00:53:15.039
Yeah that well, this was just
a question that I had never wanted to

764
00:53:15.119 --> 00:53:19.039
get you guys, your thoughts on
it, Like what do we think?

765
00:53:19.199 --> 00:53:25.000
What's the implication here that he was
gonna bring Lex back? That have been

766
00:53:25.079 --> 00:53:30.639
interesting, Like I I'm not sure
how we're supposed to you'd think, like

767
00:53:31.159 --> 00:53:35.079
I'll save my family before they get
shipwrecked on that island, you know,

768
00:53:35.280 --> 00:53:39.599
like um, but but I with
the newspaper, Like I feel like that's

769
00:53:39.639 --> 00:53:44.119
there to kind of give us that
Like he feels guilty, you know,

770
00:53:44.239 --> 00:53:47.519
like that's why he's doing this thing, unless it's less about that and more

771
00:53:47.559 --> 00:53:52.440
of just wishing away his guilt.
Yeah, oh that's interesting too. Okay,

772
00:53:53.840 --> 00:53:59.400
of guilt, I like what I
like that better, frankly, or

773
00:53:59.599 --> 00:54:02.039
like guilt for killing you know,
Lex or whatever it is, Like he

774
00:54:02.199 --> 00:54:05.800
just doesn't want to live with his
guilt. I think he's okay with living

775
00:54:05.880 --> 00:54:08.920
with his actions. That's my thing. I'm like, I don't think this

776
00:54:09.039 --> 00:54:15.119
guy actually does. He's sad about
like maybe we're left that you're having to

777
00:54:15.199 --> 00:54:19.119
keep the secret from Clark because I
think it's still a secret, right yeah,

778
00:54:19.119 --> 00:54:22.039
But like, um, I don't
think he thinks it was the wrong

779
00:54:22.199 --> 00:54:25.519
move. I don't think he has
a regret. I just still think he's

780
00:54:25.559 --> 00:54:30.079
guilt. And oh, I like
your reading of that better. That's cool,

781
00:54:30.440 --> 00:54:32.800
right, you know what that makes
you think of Attack of the Clones.

782
00:54:34.039 --> 00:54:37.800
Rankin's like, I wish I could
just wish away my feelings. Yep,

783
00:54:37.599 --> 00:54:39.039
No, that's a good that's a
good take on it. Here,

784
00:54:39.159 --> 00:54:42.519
here's what I thought. I don't
know if this was because I wasn't posting

785
00:54:42.599 --> 00:54:44.840
or anything at least message cript on
site, mesage words anything back on the

786
00:54:44.840 --> 00:54:46.239
anybody think I was still lurking around
it right now? And then this was

787
00:54:46.280 --> 00:54:51.800
a big debate because like she presents
this thing to him like hey, I

788
00:54:52.119 --> 00:54:54.320
ran a wish and you kind of
hear her like disappearing sound effect and she

789
00:54:54.440 --> 00:54:58.039
Batman's out and he looks up and
she's gone, and people are like,

790
00:54:58.119 --> 00:55:00.280
wait, did the wish happen?
Did he resurrect Lex. Is this how

791
00:55:00.320 --> 00:55:04.519
we're gonna like bring Lex back?
Later the like Oliver like wish the lexis

792
00:55:04.599 --> 00:55:09.440
back. There was speculation like because
they blew up Lex beyond prepare and then

793
00:55:09.559 --> 00:55:13.679
a couple episodes ago, how are
we gonna fix this? They were like,

794
00:55:13.719 --> 00:55:15.599
well, maybe we can use this
loophole and bring him back. And

795
00:55:15.599 --> 00:55:19.079
I remember this was a thing back
at the time. There was discussion about

796
00:55:19.119 --> 00:55:22.920
how weird would that have been,
like six episodes later where they're like,

797
00:55:22.000 --> 00:55:25.559
well, remember that one scene in
your office, Hey, Matt, how

798
00:55:25.599 --> 00:55:28.320
weird would it have been if they
just said, well, we put you

799
00:55:28.360 --> 00:55:30.480
together from all these clone pieces and
you have memories. I don't, but

800
00:55:30.559 --> 00:55:34.599
I don't think that's him. I
don't. I don't know. We don't

801
00:55:34.800 --> 00:55:37.599
anyway. I mean, that's that's
its own thing. That's anyway, this

802
00:55:37.840 --> 00:55:40.239
idea was presented. The show is
leading into the Lex thing, all right,

803
00:55:40.239 --> 00:55:43.239
because he's looking at the paper and
he's still looking at it. So

804
00:55:43.320 --> 00:55:45.199
that's they were They didn't know they
were clueless. They were like, well,

805
00:55:45.239 --> 00:55:47.599
I'm gonna fix this. Well,
they didn't know. They were trying

806
00:55:47.760 --> 00:55:52.119
everything they could to give themselves some
options. But anyway, there we go.

807
00:55:52.280 --> 00:55:54.400
There's that um, Chloe and Clark
were out on the street as Lewis

808
00:55:54.480 --> 00:55:59.400
and Clark, she trips and almost
falls and Clark gives his hero catch and

809
00:55:59.519 --> 00:56:01.400
kinda stares into her eyes lovingly,
and she's like, wow, you never

810
00:56:01.440 --> 00:56:08.079
looked at me like that before.
God, Kloie, it's rough. I

811
00:56:08.199 --> 00:56:13.400
just this is the show I want
and not not her. It's it's like,

812
00:56:13.599 --> 00:56:17.320
oh, absolutely, I just feel
bad for Chloe, so I know,

813
00:56:17.559 --> 00:56:21.920
I know, like the girls comment
that she doesn't get over Clark until

814
00:56:21.960 --> 00:56:25.840
she gets under Ali her. Oh
I agree with that assessment. I agree.

815
00:56:28.400 --> 00:56:31.679
But this, this episode's cleaning up
some and then the um the Silvermanchi

816
00:56:31.719 --> 00:56:37.000
episode kind of again kind of can
change to clean up this mess. I

817
00:56:37.079 --> 00:56:40.079
love it too because and also it's
required because because the show is so convoluted

818
00:56:40.119 --> 00:56:43.800
with all these relationships with people who
were cousins and stuff, and it's like,

819
00:56:43.880 --> 00:56:46.159
you gotta have these episodes to clean
this mess up. So anyway,

820
00:56:47.800 --> 00:56:51.960
and again, Erica killing it with
facial expressions, the kind of twitchy like

821
00:56:52.360 --> 00:56:54.079
you see you can see the Alison
macisms, and in her performance there,

822
00:56:54.519 --> 00:57:00.199
um lois very Lois Lane passing off
money of the cops for the poker game.

823
00:57:00.239 --> 00:57:04.239
At love that so cute like this
this is this is like the lowest

824
00:57:04.280 --> 00:57:07.039
lane I'd love where she's kind of
got the town wired, you know,

825
00:57:07.239 --> 00:57:10.880
like everyone's quote unquote a friend or
in her pocket or whatever, you know.

826
00:57:13.360 --> 00:57:15.519
And and and Ray, what what
did you? What did you think

827
00:57:15.599 --> 00:57:20.159
was going on here? With this
guy yelling and screaming? Did you I

828
00:57:20.239 --> 00:57:23.760
couldn't quite catch what they were saying? What's going on? So basically,

829
00:57:24.960 --> 00:57:30.119
in order to get information about the
book, his wish was to know more

830
00:57:30.159 --> 00:57:34.320
about like dead languages. I guess
what was happening. And so he was

831
00:57:34.440 --> 00:57:39.679
screaming about Zatanna in latin um,
But what was it he knew what the

832
00:57:39.719 --> 00:57:43.280
book? Like? Did he did
Lex bite from him? Was that the

833
00:57:43.639 --> 00:57:50.000
thing they imply the way I understood
it, and somebody else they did this

834
00:57:50.079 --> 00:57:54.440
more clearly, but the way I
understood it was I guess at some point

835
00:57:54.639 --> 00:58:01.119
he had access to the book.
Zatanna's father had it right, and it

836
00:58:01.320 --> 00:58:07.599
was lost at auction. I think
this guy or maybe bought it on behalf

837
00:58:07.639 --> 00:58:12.800
of Lex at the auction, because
we I mean, why why the hell

838
00:58:12.840 --> 00:58:20.119
would Lex go to an auction holding
up the panels? Really? Or million

839
00:58:20.199 --> 00:58:22.760
for the thing. I don't know. Yeah, I feel like somehow through

840
00:58:22.960 --> 00:58:27.880
him or maybe he was the auctioneer
or something, I don't know. The

841
00:58:27.960 --> 00:58:32.880
thing that bothers me is, Okay, he's rambling on all crazy in Latin,

842
00:58:34.679 --> 00:58:37.880
and the next time we see him
he's fine and speaking English. Because

843
00:58:37.920 --> 00:58:45.519
you realized he didn't want that wish
anymore. Oh, what we're saying that

844
00:58:45.760 --> 00:58:51.559
these are the rules? Guy,
I like magic going up against these characters.

845
00:58:51.639 --> 00:58:53.840
But yeah, maybe we've been off
a little more that we could choose

846
00:58:53.840 --> 00:58:58.639
in this episode. I mean,
yeah, I guess he didn't. He

847
00:58:58.719 --> 00:59:02.880
didn't on it anymore. I don't
know, but you're right he was somehow

848
00:59:02.960 --> 00:59:07.519
familiar with the book and now he
knew like this is bad. I don't

849
00:59:07.559 --> 00:59:08.559
know if it was my head,
my head cannon try and connect God.

850
00:59:08.599 --> 00:59:10.280
So I was like, oh,
this is the guy that sold it to

851
00:59:10.360 --> 00:59:13.760
Lex or knew about it, and
that's that's how that's why she went to

852
00:59:13.880 --> 00:59:19.599
him. That was my understand because
he's very knowledgeable about the things. Yeah,

853
00:59:20.880 --> 00:59:27.480
we all missed the one line that
explains yeah a check. Yeah.

854
00:59:29.519 --> 00:59:35.760
So hearing Zatana as the guy screaming
up from his fire escape, Chloe's like,

855
00:59:35.800 --> 00:59:37.559
oh, that's the witch who when
you did this to me? And

856
00:59:38.360 --> 00:59:44.039
of course I think wiche woman.
This song good reference there, and Chloe

857
00:59:44.079 --> 00:59:45.960
starts selling Clark like oh well,
okay, I'm gonna do this. Why

858
00:59:45.960 --> 00:59:50.679
don't you use a superspeed here and
do that? And Clark's sake super speed

859
00:59:50.760 --> 00:59:52.840
because he thinks he's talking to low. It's like, we don't go a

860
00:59:52.920 --> 00:59:58.719
car. I don't understand. I
love this. It's me. I'm Chloe

861
00:59:59.039 --> 01:00:02.239
stood up to her up at the
formal Chloe, we still get over that,

862
01:00:02.599 --> 01:00:07.920
right, but this is the thing, right un Yeah, yeah,

863
01:00:08.559 --> 01:00:15.159
these wounds are still somehow fresh because
she keeps picking kissed you Kazaba was in

864
01:00:15.280 --> 01:00:20.360
in the world and like yeah,
so rattles off crypton Jarell, Brainy ac

865
01:00:20.440 --> 01:00:22.440
Fortress Chloe. He's like, oh
god right, oh damn it. Yeah,

866
01:00:25.119 --> 01:00:29.320
and oh this is where she says
hex to me. So almost the

867
01:00:29.360 --> 01:00:32.719
episode titles setting episode so close.
Um, we're getting really strict on this

868
01:00:32.840 --> 01:00:36.280
podcast. Wait, this is how
it is. Okay, the way,

869
01:00:36.440 --> 01:00:39.440
this is the way, still salty
about Clark not being at a party too.

870
01:00:40.480 --> 01:00:45.079
Oh you should be are you a
super speed? I was there for

871
01:00:45.239 --> 01:00:50.599
six hours? You're telling me you
couldn't stop by for ten minutes your oldest

872
01:00:50.639 --> 01:00:53.400
friend, I swear anyway, But
this is a this is a good uh,

873
01:00:53.760 --> 01:00:57.639
this is a good follow up conversation. I really like the conversation that

874
01:00:57.719 --> 01:01:00.599
they have kind of unpacking all this
stuff. Yes, is this where Clark's

875
01:01:00.679 --> 01:01:04.840
line is like, there's a whole
half of my life where this happens every

876
01:01:04.920 --> 01:01:07.800
day. Like I love that line. He's like, this is sick of

877
01:01:07.880 --> 01:01:12.719
this, you know, which is
the normalcy of Lois and him. Yeah,

878
01:01:13.000 --> 01:01:15.000
this episode is very meta in a
lot of ways. He like the

879
01:01:15.119 --> 01:01:20.239
Chloe being like I used to be
Lois and him being like, this is

880
01:01:20.599 --> 01:01:24.519
my Life's just bizarre now you know
I've been doing this for years is craziness.

881
01:01:25.000 --> 01:01:29.639
But we get that set up for
Clark's wish right, He's like,

882
01:01:30.079 --> 01:01:32.639
sometimes I wish I could just be
a normal reporter that a care in the

883
01:01:32.760 --> 01:01:37.360
world. All right, let's go
see his magician and see what happened.

884
01:01:38.320 --> 01:01:43.280
So they going the time to talking
to her dad. What I liked about

885
01:01:44.039 --> 01:01:47.079
the way that they kind of like
kept alluding to Zen Hannah throughout the episode.

886
01:01:47.119 --> 01:01:51.960
If you notice the image they use
for the advertisement, but also when

887
01:01:52.440 --> 01:01:58.239
Chloe as Lois first goes with the
Daily Planet and like googles her basically the

888
01:01:58.440 --> 01:02:04.280
image is actually it's it's a call
back to a pretty famous Zatanna comic book

889
01:02:04.320 --> 01:02:07.880
cover, um, which I really
liked. I like that they kind of

890
01:02:07.960 --> 01:02:12.920
had like comic book cover Zatanna throughout
the episode. I thought that was a

891
01:02:12.960 --> 01:02:15.639
lot of fun. The logo for
her Magic Show is I don't think it's

892
01:02:15.679 --> 01:02:20.480
exactly it's very similar to the logo
for for her books, and like what

893
01:02:20.559 --> 01:02:22.840
they used for merchant stuff for her
too. It's cool. Yeah, I

894
01:02:23.000 --> 01:02:27.719
like that a lot. I thought
that connection was really fun. Seriously though,

895
01:02:27.760 --> 01:02:30.840
that she has to be one of
the best adapted characters because they can

896
01:02:30.000 --> 01:02:32.639
they can just do the character like
here's here else she looks, here's what

897
01:02:32.760 --> 01:02:36.119
she does, like you know,
Booster Gold is another one that comes to

898
01:02:36.199 --> 01:02:39.320
mind because some of the other characters
have these these compromised costumes, are these

899
01:02:39.360 --> 01:02:43.440
compromised powers. You know, what
are you saying about? What are you

900
01:02:43.480 --> 01:02:46.480
saying about Doctor Fate? He you
know it was the helmet's little plasticy.

901
01:02:46.519 --> 01:02:52.880
Matt not gonna lie on the metal
myself, but I agree. I love

902
01:02:52.000 --> 01:02:57.159
the Doctor Fate costume, helmet looks
plasticy. I have the same criticism for

903
01:02:57.239 --> 01:03:00.280
Aero's death stroke. It's like,
that's a plastic you looking at it right

904
01:03:00.320 --> 01:03:05.440
there. Let's football, huh.
I've never had that feeling. I love

905
01:03:05.559 --> 01:03:07.360
Doctor Fate. I was super jazzed
when it happened on this show. But

906
01:03:07.480 --> 01:03:10.199
I hate that costume. Man,
you hate the costume? Yeah, I

907
01:03:10.280 --> 01:03:15.199
really do. Okay, what about
Hawkman's costume. I think that's a much

908
01:03:15.519 --> 01:03:19.360
better attempt to what they're doing there
from that episode. But if we don't

909
01:03:19.519 --> 01:03:22.159
get into it, I really like
the hawkgirl helmet with the with the crack

910
01:03:22.199 --> 01:03:24.239
in it. I think that's rad. Yeah, anyway, But Santanna Yah

911
01:03:25.320 --> 01:03:30.039
is in you know, short shorts
and fish nets and you know, a

912
01:03:30.159 --> 01:03:32.280
jacket and you can pull it off
very easily, exactly exactly, and you

913
01:03:32.320 --> 01:03:36.519
can even costplay it if you really
want, right, I mean, we

914
01:03:36.599 --> 01:03:40.000
canna do your best. So satanis
and they're talking to her dead dad as

915
01:03:40.039 --> 01:03:44.840
you do. I'm talking to the
picture there. You know we're gonna meet

916
01:03:44.880 --> 01:03:46.920
together soon father whatever. It's like
it's kind of ominous, you know,

917
01:03:47.000 --> 01:03:51.079
you're like, what's what's her planned? Yeah? They have to hash all

918
01:03:51.119 --> 01:03:54.320
this out. I think they did
a good job being very careful about explaining

919
01:03:54.400 --> 01:03:57.480
that, like, Okay, look, Satan was like, look, this

920
01:03:57.639 --> 01:04:00.400
is what you wish for, and
Chloe's like, I didn't want the usually

921
01:04:00.440 --> 01:04:01.880
and this I wrote this down.
She said, I'm not saying that she's

922
01:04:01.920 --> 01:04:05.199
your heart's deepest desire, but in
that moment, this is what you wanted.

923
01:04:05.239 --> 01:04:10.360
I was like, okay, So
I think that's very important they established

924
01:04:10.360 --> 01:04:16.039
that, right m H. I
loved that. You know, whenever Clark

925
01:04:16.239 --> 01:04:18.800
and and Chloe were being all accusatory, it's like, oh, you you

926
01:04:18.840 --> 01:04:23.360
have to lift this curse off of
Chloe, and Zatanna is like visibly kind

927
01:04:23.360 --> 01:04:28.400
of upset. She's like, exactly, hers, excuse me, I think,

928
01:04:29.239 --> 01:04:32.800
bitch, Like I don't even I
love that for her. It's like

929
01:04:32.880 --> 01:04:34.920
no, no, no, no, no, you wanted this. You

930
01:04:35.039 --> 01:04:39.320
live with it now, and if
you don't, we'll go away. But

931
01:04:39.480 --> 01:04:43.400
tell me you don't want it.
That's what I thought, And I love

932
01:04:43.519 --> 01:04:47.760
that I don't want it. It's
like, yeah, you still want this.

933
01:04:48.199 --> 01:04:51.800
It's almost like they called her like
this old crone and she's like what

934
01:04:53.280 --> 01:05:00.480
yeah, but uh, we just
we get to understanding the wish like you

935
01:05:00.519 --> 01:05:02.679
know, once you give up on
the wance, it goes away or it

936
01:05:02.719 --> 01:05:04.679
fades away. The next day,
it's like good for a day, you

937
01:05:04.760 --> 01:05:08.599
know that kind of thing. So
again, I let you have to establish

938
01:05:08.679 --> 01:05:11.679
rules with magic, right, otherwise
you're sitting here having these I mean,

939
01:05:11.800 --> 01:05:14.760
they did a decent job here,
and we're still having conversations about it because

940
01:05:14.920 --> 01:05:17.559
because here right, Clark is kind
of accusatory, comes up to right and

941
01:05:17.639 --> 01:05:20.280
she's like, oh, I wonder
what your wish would be, and then

942
01:05:20.320 --> 01:05:23.599
we hear like the sound effect,
we see the reflection of his eyes,

943
01:05:23.639 --> 01:05:28.480
and he didn't verbalize a wish or
anything, but it happened. He got

944
01:05:28.519 --> 01:05:30.480
his wish, you know what I'm
saying, yep, which Wade people think

945
01:05:30.559 --> 01:05:34.320
maybe all forgot his wish and Lex
Luthor is alive somewhere out there in the

946
01:05:34.440 --> 01:05:41.920
world. Michael's coming back mid day
now, it's not coming back y'all.

947
01:05:42.199 --> 01:05:45.280
So but no, it's like,
can you wish without your consents? Because

948
01:05:45.280 --> 01:05:47.440
that's kind of what happened there,
right. Clark didn't verbalize that, I

949
01:05:47.480 --> 01:05:51.159
mean, he wish for it outside
he almost got stay puff marshmallow to relate

950
01:05:51.199 --> 01:05:55.000
where it's just like, don't think
about the thing you want most, like,

951
01:05:57.519 --> 01:06:01.239
oh my god, ghos well,
I mean I think whenever like Chloe

952
01:06:01.400 --> 01:06:05.280
like blew out her little candle whatever
she didn't say, I want Lois's life,

953
01:06:05.320 --> 01:06:09.320
like out loud, like, oh, you're right. Still, I

954
01:06:09.360 --> 01:06:13.679
don't think any of the wishes are
actually verbalized. I think Z's magic just

955
01:06:14.679 --> 01:06:16.920
kind of was like if you had
a wish in that moment when she's kind

956
01:06:16.920 --> 01:06:24.199
of just like her woo. Then
it happens more intuitive, yes, intuitive,

957
01:06:25.960 --> 01:06:29.920
fair enough, which which leads even
more credence to Oliver resurrecting legs.

958
01:06:30.000 --> 01:06:34.440
But obviously that's not what happens.
But anyway, we get the whole thing

959
01:06:34.480 --> 01:06:39.199
about how she shop owner better understanding
that language is kind of a kind of

960
01:06:39.199 --> 01:06:41.559
a Monkey Paul thing for him,
I guess on that way, Yeah,

961
01:06:41.599 --> 01:06:44.880
so so be it. But they
leave right because because it's kind of Batman's

962
01:06:44.880 --> 01:06:46.440
Out again, that's what she does. She just Batman's Out disappears, right.

963
01:06:46.559 --> 01:06:48.880
We never actually see her go,
right, We just hear like,

964
01:06:49.039 --> 01:06:54.159
oh, there's fairy lights or something
in the right. Yeah, I don't

965
01:06:54.159 --> 01:06:56.920
know what that is. She has
teleporting powers in the comics, or she's

966
01:06:56.920 --> 01:07:00.039
just being stealth I don't know.
I think she's that would be magical.

967
01:07:00.960 --> 01:07:04.880
Yeah, I thought you. I
truly it sounds like it's like, you

968
01:07:04.960 --> 01:07:12.159
know, pixie dust, which is
fine. It's it's fine. Yeah yeah

969
01:07:12.239 --> 01:07:16.280
yeah. So they leave and uh, Chloe's like, oh I forgot the

970
01:07:16.320 --> 01:07:18.440
magic affects you like the rest of
us. I shouldn't have brought you.

971
01:07:18.559 --> 01:07:21.760
And Clark's like, helloa us,
what do you mean the rest of us?

972
01:07:21.880 --> 01:07:29.639
Like oh no, And then we
realized that his whist came true.

973
01:07:30.440 --> 01:07:34.960
He's not a superhero anymore. Um
amnis account plus one because he forgets I'm

974
01:07:35.000 --> 01:07:38.840
going to count ba because he forgets
those that he's Superman all that good stuff.

975
01:07:39.679 --> 01:07:43.679
And h Clark. I love how
Clark doesn't leave in Magic Awesome.

976
01:07:44.440 --> 01:07:46.719
Of course he wouldn't before all this
happened to him every day for the past

977
01:07:46.800 --> 01:07:54.519
ten years. You know. Two
questions for a what was the last time

978
01:07:54.639 --> 01:07:58.639
we like he dealt with magic?
Like was it? Was it? Which

979
01:07:58.719 --> 01:08:04.880
stuff? In season four? Uh? Yeah, yeah, wow, okay,

980
01:08:06.000 --> 01:08:11.519
there was, I mean the Countess
Isabelle throw Yeah, it's been a

981
01:08:11.599 --> 01:08:15.480
whole half a show ago. And
then mister Mix's fiddling from those football games.

982
01:08:15.719 --> 01:08:18.680
Do we count him as magic.
Yeah he's match yeah yeah. Season

983
01:08:19.960 --> 01:08:25.520
season of season four is the season
of Magic. Okay, And this is

984
01:08:25.560 --> 01:08:27.560
this is what we talked about the
leading team this right before that, right

985
01:08:27.560 --> 01:08:30.319
where like a crime happens and like
do something Clark, He's like, I

986
01:08:30.359 --> 01:08:31.600
will. He calls nime on one. We got the commercial. It's such

987
01:08:31.600 --> 01:08:36.039
a great like hero pose to pull
out a cell phone like that, so

988
01:08:36.520 --> 01:08:41.159
funny the phone too, But we
cut the confercion. We come back and

989
01:08:41.239 --> 01:08:45.119
and Coloy's the Daily Planet trying to
convince Clark of this. I love him

990
01:08:45.119 --> 01:08:46.880
in this because he's like, oh
yeah, I used to get you confused

991
01:08:46.880 --> 01:08:51.840
all the time too. Lois is
the tall one, right, that's hilarious.

992
01:08:53.039 --> 01:08:55.840
I don't I've found this very entertaining. You guys are down. I

993
01:08:56.079 --> 01:08:58.680
love the Christopher Reeve Clark Kent okay, so maybe that's why I love this,

994
01:08:58.720 --> 01:09:00.359
But you guys are down on this. I really loved this performance series,

995
01:09:00.439 --> 01:09:04.000
this character. So it was good
up until a point and it's got

996
01:09:04.159 --> 01:09:11.640
to be a little bit too caricature
e And that's it was like, okay,

997
01:09:11.680 --> 01:09:19.319
we get it, like you're you're
doing a bit run course. I

998
01:09:19.920 --> 01:09:24.920
think for me it's like, I
don't know this Clark kent on this show

999
01:09:25.279 --> 01:09:28.359
specifically, Like if this was like, you know, the first scene of

1000
01:09:28.439 --> 01:09:30.880
the New Superman movie, it'd be
like perfect, they nailed it, you

1001
01:09:30.960 --> 01:09:34.800
know everything, Okay, it feels
more like they're writing for comic Clark,

1002
01:09:35.840 --> 01:09:41.920
you know, a different version of
Clark. I see that. I feel

1003
01:09:41.920 --> 01:09:45.399
they're doing that a lot this season, especially with Lois honestly, because like

1004
01:09:45.479 --> 01:09:46.880
even this episode is like, oh
my god, it's Lois lay in their

1005
01:09:46.920 --> 01:09:55.119
hand around. I agree, but
I'm all for it exposed to look as

1006
01:09:55.159 --> 01:09:57.560
long as we all know, we
can agree to be cool with it.

1007
01:09:57.720 --> 01:10:00.439
But let's call it. It's like
Jimmy's Helois. God, she's worked her

1008
01:10:00.439 --> 01:10:03.279
for years. Lois Is worked her
for a year and a half maybe,

1009
01:10:03.520 --> 01:10:06.800
and you're like, oh my god, it's the lane. Like so there

1010
01:10:08.039 --> 01:10:10.800
they use They do that too.
They forget the writing for small little and

1011
01:10:10.840 --> 01:10:14.760
not just like a combook. And
Bryan Hugh Miller com book writer makes sense,

1012
01:10:14.960 --> 01:10:16.720
So I'm not gonna hold it against
him. But we see what's going

1013
01:10:16.760 --> 01:10:20.039
on, so backs upset about it. So no, that's just no,

1014
01:10:20.279 --> 01:10:25.760
it's been noted. Um, can
we talk about the rules. Let's talk

1015
01:10:25.760 --> 01:10:30.800
about the the scutest damn thing in
the world to me that he brings up.

1016
01:10:31.000 --> 01:10:33.880
He brings up like it's one of
your rules, the what and he

1017
01:10:34.079 --> 01:10:39.840
brings out the little framed thing of
like this, Oh man, you frame

1018
01:10:39.960 --> 01:10:45.239
this? Sorry, I am just
so so Alois and Clark shipper man,

1019
01:10:45.520 --> 01:10:49.560
and the early bits of this relationship
just kill me. And it's just so

1020
01:10:49.960 --> 01:10:57.119
cute, how just in spite of
himself, he is puppy dog in love

1021
01:10:57.239 --> 01:11:00.880
with her. He is he is. It's it. It's Curly and Lorie

1022
01:11:00.880 --> 01:11:02.600
in Oklahoma, you know, like
he can't admit it yet, but he's

1023
01:11:02.840 --> 01:11:08.479
He's got his little love us collection. He framed her dumb little notepad and

1024
01:11:08.720 --> 01:11:11.800
that's awesome. Rule number four.
If it's too good to be true,

1025
01:11:11.960 --> 01:11:15.000
it usually is. He knows it
off the top of his stupid head.

1026
01:11:15.199 --> 01:11:18.640
It's lemento from his first day of
work. Matt Okay, oh yeah,

1027
01:11:18.680 --> 01:11:21.720
that's all. Oh my god.
We'll get to that scene later, but

1028
01:11:21.840 --> 01:11:28.079
that's that's fantastic. And I can
see Chloe saying it like you framed this

1029
01:11:28.920 --> 01:11:30.600
like as like low anyway, it's
it's so good, it's so fantastic,

1030
01:11:30.800 --> 01:11:39.520
and it's another like nail in her
coffin too. Yeah, but they go

1031
01:11:39.600 --> 01:11:42.199
up to the roof. Uh als, we're not allowed to be up here.

1032
01:11:44.600 --> 01:11:47.439
You're so true, it is.
It's got a character tree. But

1033
01:11:47.760 --> 01:11:50.560
okay, I see if you're saying
right, because like it does like,

1034
01:11:50.640 --> 01:11:55.039
okay, we keep escalating it.
It's a bit perhaps it's like a sketch

1035
01:11:55.079 --> 01:11:57.399
that goes on too long on SNL. Right, it's like, okay,

1036
01:11:58.039 --> 01:12:01.000
gotta run the chords. Pretty okay, we get it, wrap it up.

1037
01:12:01.960 --> 01:12:06.039
That's a great way to put it
though, Like it's almost Sitcom Clark

1038
01:12:06.199 --> 01:12:11.079
here at this point, you know, yeah, because she locks you just

1039
01:12:11.239 --> 01:12:13.359
lock us up here? That's funny. He's like, did you just lock

1040
01:12:13.479 --> 01:12:17.600
us up here? Yeah? Okay, it's like literally been rusted through and

1041
01:12:17.840 --> 01:12:26.199
yeah I didn't think so It's like, all right enough usually annoys me,

1042
01:12:26.479 --> 01:12:30.159
but I liked the fly reference here. Oh my note is literally, don't

1043
01:12:30.159 --> 01:12:34.680
give me any guff about this flying
line. Didn't it didn't work for you?

1044
01:12:34.840 --> 01:12:36.960
I think. See. The thing
is at that point you were over

1045
01:12:38.039 --> 01:12:39.800
it, right, you were.
You're like, I'm done with your stick.

1046
01:12:40.039 --> 01:12:43.920
Okay, But me who has to
see it here every week and see

1047
01:12:43.920 --> 01:12:46.279
these terrible Superman references. Didn't actually
mind the thing where he says, can

1048
01:12:46.359 --> 01:12:49.600
I fly? Is that one of
my powers? No? Okay, well

1049
01:12:49.640 --> 01:12:53.560
I have a deadline, okays a
lady to get back downstairs to get back

1050
01:12:53.600 --> 01:12:56.520
to work. Oh I didn't hear
that correctly, Ray, Do you did

1051
01:12:56.600 --> 01:13:03.720
that line? Hit you bad?
It's just I uh, my notes are

1052
01:13:03.880 --> 01:13:10.720
calls nine one l I'm a regular
green arrow. Boring is extra boring and

1053
01:13:10.800 --> 01:13:17.560
cliche bad flying joke, like I
was annoyed, but also I just lived

1054
01:13:17.600 --> 01:13:24.560
my life kind of cranky. So
I mean, did you at least laugh

1055
01:13:24.600 --> 01:13:27.119
when she tried to hit him with
a pipe. Yes, No, I

1056
01:13:27.199 --> 01:13:30.560
love that because I would have too, and he just walked right out of

1057
01:13:30.600 --> 01:13:32.840
the lea. I would have kept
swinging. She stopped, and I would

1058
01:13:32.840 --> 01:13:38.319
have been like listen bit and just
smacked him face. I honestly forgot her.

1059
01:13:38.880 --> 01:13:41.079
Yeah, I honestly forgot how this
win. I was like, is

1060
01:13:41.119 --> 01:13:44.960
she gonna shena just like push him
off the building? But her too?

1061
01:13:45.520 --> 01:13:49.039
That was lowis and Clark that that
happened in a panic in the sky.

1062
01:13:49.439 --> 01:13:53.720
Yes, yes, I'll shook up. I'll shook up. Yes, I

1063
01:13:53.760 --> 01:13:56.640
couldn't. Wow, look at that
all right, it's an Elvis song.

1064
01:13:56.760 --> 01:13:59.520
Man, I love Elvis. So
anyway, you know who else did?

1065
01:13:59.640 --> 01:14:03.119
Anyway? We don't no how do
they get off the roof? Though?

1066
01:14:03.399 --> 01:14:12.560
How do the thoughts? But m
mmmm, I got you. I guess

1067
01:14:12.760 --> 01:14:15.840
it's assumed. I mean, he
just broke the door, does not not

1068
01:14:15.079 --> 01:14:18.239
do it? Well? You gotta
get under this the door to handle you

1069
01:14:18.319 --> 01:14:23.159
know. All right? I thought
that was enough to get them off the

1070
01:14:23.279 --> 01:14:26.359
roof. This is another moment,
by the way, too, where I

1071
01:14:26.560 --> 01:14:30.319
felt like Erica was like in the
pocket for Chloe to like just open the

1072
01:14:30.359 --> 01:14:34.560
door, Clark, you know,
like that kind of we don't have time

1073
01:14:34.640 --> 01:14:40.399
for this. This is so frustrating. Maybe her intern that whose names she

1074
01:14:40.439 --> 01:14:44.880
doesn't know, founder up there like
you. I was looking over for you.

1075
01:14:44.960 --> 01:14:47.800
You guys are on the roof,
Aul or Harry or whatever the hell

1076
01:14:48.079 --> 01:14:50.760
he said the name I get,
that's our head getting out. Intern was

1077
01:14:50.800 --> 01:14:56.960
looking for came up on the roof. Soul done. So then we get

1078
01:14:57.039 --> 01:14:59.880
Green Arrow, breaking to the Luther
Corp. Stories that Luther Corp. Doesn't

1079
01:14:59.920 --> 01:15:01.039
have access to only lacks. We
talked about that a little bit, but

1080
01:15:02.119 --> 01:15:05.000
I had completely forgotten about this whole
Green Arrow I didn't remember he was in

1081
01:15:05.079 --> 01:15:08.399
this episode, so this is a
fun little sequence for him. Of course,

1082
01:15:08.479 --> 01:15:16.920
not with the bow and arrow,
but yeah, yeah, but he

1083
01:15:16.960 --> 01:15:19.800
pulls out the Book of Destiny.
That's what I'm gonna call it. From

1084
01:15:19.880 --> 01:15:26.399
a from right, it's cool whatever. You can see Green Arrow do some

1085
01:15:26.439 --> 01:15:28.720
stuff because he really hasn't been doing
much of the season. It's nice to

1086
01:15:28.760 --> 01:15:32.199
see for a season where he's the
main character, a main character in the

1087
01:15:32.319 --> 01:15:36.560
cast, he barely does any hero
stuff. So God, is that true?

1088
01:15:36.600 --> 01:15:42.920
I guess. So, I mean
he was on a cop episode,

1089
01:15:44.720 --> 01:15:47.039
yeah, as as Green Arrow.
Yeah, once Chloe gets him on the

1090
01:15:47.119 --> 01:15:50.600
right path again. So yeah,
well he needed a watch tower to get

1091
01:15:50.640 --> 01:15:56.960
online, you know, yea,
so to speak. So he he takes

1092
01:15:57.000 --> 01:15:59.760
the book out to like an alley
somewhere, and um, did he start

1093
01:15:59.800 --> 01:16:01.319
this fire in the barrel? Was
there already? Was it gonna throw it

1094
01:16:01.399 --> 01:16:05.840
in? I'm not sure. This
kind of confused me too, but I

1095
01:16:06.039 --> 01:16:11.560
think he like he basically skimmed the
book and it's like, there's some dark

1096
01:16:11.640 --> 01:16:14.960
stuff in here. I guess I'm
gonna burn it for you, and she's

1097
01:16:14.960 --> 01:16:17.520
like, no, absolutely not.
And then we get you know, kinky

1098
01:16:17.680 --> 01:16:25.439
him and green leather tied up in
chains. It's all great. M my

1099
01:16:25.560 --> 01:16:31.079
notes for here, says h green
arrow, and ali Z appears and calls

1100
01:16:31.319 --> 01:16:34.720
all of her out. She's like
because he's like, oh, we've never

1101
01:16:34.920 --> 01:16:40.720
met before, and she's are you
talking about I lost the thing and then

1102
01:16:40.840 --> 01:16:46.279
you stole the thing? Hi,
I don't think blonde chiseled white man.

1103
01:16:46.520 --> 01:16:50.560
Yeah. Yeah, And then he
explains her magic and then my next note

1104
01:16:50.680 --> 01:16:59.880
is just magic chains, kinky.
Yes, the woman dressed like Stata chains

1105
01:17:00.079 --> 01:17:03.000
him up. What Yeah, it's
all kinky, but but so the dcs

1106
01:17:03.079 --> 01:17:08.359
sometimes it's fine, great, fair
enough. Yeah, and she knows more

1107
01:17:08.520 --> 01:17:14.800
imagine than she led on. Yes. I like that he decodes the spell

1108
01:17:15.039 --> 01:17:21.039
later on and figures it out like
bind him in chain or in steel or

1109
01:17:21.279 --> 01:17:25.119
bind it with steeler? How long
time to mull that over? I was

1110
01:17:25.159 --> 01:17:30.239
waiting to either die or get my
identity stolen? Here? Can we can

1111
01:17:30.279 --> 01:17:32.319
we prop watch for a second.
I think this book is really cool looking.

1112
01:17:32.560 --> 01:17:36.760
Okay, it's it's it's it's not
too it's not specific enough that like

1113
01:17:36.880 --> 01:17:41.279
we have to like remember what it
is, you know, Like I'm a

1114
01:17:41.359 --> 01:17:43.720
big Charmed fan. It's not the
book I had like that, we don't

1115
01:17:43.760 --> 01:17:45.840
spend too much time with it,
but like it looks old, it looks

1116
01:17:45.960 --> 01:17:49.920
properly tattered, it looks I don't
know that, it just it's a cool,

1117
01:17:49.960 --> 01:17:55.399
proper I really kind of dug it. I agree. I actually was

1118
01:17:55.560 --> 01:18:00.399
thinking to myself that I make my
own books, my zey. I'm sure

1119
01:18:00.439 --> 01:18:01.439
you can do it. If you
need help, let me know. I'd

1120
01:18:01.479 --> 01:18:06.039
love to help that. That'd be
fun to make. Do you have to

1121
01:18:06.079 --> 01:18:11.439
carry the whole time? That's okay, But it's light. It's not like

1122
01:18:11.520 --> 01:18:14.640
it's a giant tolls, not the
it's not truly the Book of Destiny,

1123
01:18:14.720 --> 01:18:19.800
which is yeah, it's like a
graduated journal. You got this. Yeah,

1124
01:18:21.199 --> 01:18:24.720
it's len be cut two of the
Hospital. Hospital was a plus one

1125
01:18:25.119 --> 01:18:30.039
for the shopkeeper. And this is
an actor Andrew McLeroy. And I was

1126
01:18:30.039 --> 01:18:31.920
like, this guy looks super familiar. I'm gonna look him up. So

1127
01:18:32.079 --> 01:18:36.359
I looked it up and he is
an Arrow but I can't find what episode

1128
01:18:36.399 --> 01:18:40.800
he's in. But I know he's
in Arrow because he looks super familiar and

1129
01:18:40.800 --> 01:18:44.439
I've seen him before. And uh, I guess some actors don't fill out

1130
01:18:44.439 --> 01:18:45.359
their im to be all the way
and this is one of those guys.

1131
01:18:46.560 --> 01:18:50.119
He's got his episode of Fringe on
here, so we have that. But

1132
01:18:50.960 --> 01:18:54.479
anyway, he was also in a
shout out to the guys who I'm always

1133
01:18:54.479 --> 01:19:01.159
on the Arrow spotlight on Christmas Hallmark
Exclusive facing. I don't know if it's

1134
01:19:01.199 --> 01:19:03.479
all working out with a title like
that. I think it is. That

1135
01:19:03.680 --> 01:19:08.079
was his last credit Spotlight on Christmas
from twenty twenties, So there you go.

1136
01:19:08.800 --> 01:19:13.000
H But he explains his whole thing. He's the magic guy and uh

1137
01:19:13.880 --> 01:19:16.199
um, he explains it's a life
for a life, right. So she's

1138
01:19:16.199 --> 01:19:19.159
trying to bring her dad back,
but it's on a cost, soul for

1139
01:19:19.279 --> 01:19:24.359
a soul, which is which is
something this show is not unfamiliar with.

1140
01:19:24.840 --> 01:19:29.119
Yeah, you know, I like
how they played into those. So in

1141
01:19:29.279 --> 01:19:32.359
order to resurrector Dad, she goes
to the Daily Planet. Roof's a reason

1142
01:19:32.439 --> 01:19:36.479
for this. We have the set. It's tall, and we have this

1143
01:19:36.600 --> 01:19:42.439
set. That's all. That's the
only reason. And the first half of

1144
01:19:42.439 --> 01:19:45.960
the day, Tom and Erica,
you'll be up here and then U the

1145
01:19:45.079 --> 01:19:53.920
barn was a really stupid option,
so we did this, not the bar,

1146
01:19:54.079 --> 01:19:57.479
you leave the barnet. She's on
top of that monorail you know,

1147
01:19:58.000 --> 01:20:02.039
not good now you mentioned Ghostbusters earlier, Matt. This is a shot director

1148
01:20:02.199 --> 01:20:06.399
like out of Ghostbusters of a tall
building and like the swirling around it with

1149
01:20:06.640 --> 01:20:10.840
with Lois and Clark on the street, like looking up yea, looking up

1150
01:20:11.079 --> 01:20:17.279
Clark. Sorry, yeah, very
very zual comings there there is no yeah,

1151
01:20:17.680 --> 01:20:24.800
there is no Lois, only Zulz. Chloe has to talk up Clark

1152
01:20:25.039 --> 01:20:27.279
right in order to be a hero
and all this stuff. And I don't

1153
01:20:27.279 --> 01:20:30.119
know if this contradicts his ending on
Chrystland for nurse that I've come to love

1154
01:20:30.199 --> 01:20:33.199
and accept. But it's like,
you know, Clark, you just don't

1155
01:20:33.199 --> 01:20:34.680
want to be a normal guy.
You want to be you want to be

1156
01:20:34.720 --> 01:20:39.359
reporting those stories and you can be
out there saving people. And that's like

1157
01:20:39.680 --> 01:20:43.560
that turns her back into Chloe because
she's found her purpose through that. That

1158
01:20:43.640 --> 01:20:46.399
tracks right, And then this turns
Clark back into Clark because that Clark,

1159
01:20:46.399 --> 01:20:49.239
you're the only person who can leap
up there in time to stop her and

1160
01:20:49.359 --> 01:20:53.479
all that stuff, and there literally
is no limit for you, Clark.

1161
01:20:53.840 --> 01:21:00.239
Yeah, this is a good depth
talk. Yeah, I was wondering when

1162
01:21:00.279 --> 01:21:02.439
would get to this. This doesn't
go against crisis for me though, because

1163
01:21:02.520 --> 01:21:08.680
he hasn't been Superman yet, like
that's still something that is innately in him

1164
01:21:08.760 --> 01:21:12.640
and something he needs to do.
I don't think that means he can't evolve

1165
01:21:13.199 --> 01:21:16.279
after he's been Superman for however long, for a decade or whatever it is.

1166
01:21:16.880 --> 01:21:20.239
I will accept that answer. Thank
you, welcome. I didn't want

1167
01:21:20.239 --> 01:21:24.199
it to contradict because I'm happy with
that it doesn't. And it really like

1168
01:21:25.600 --> 01:21:30.119
if he never actually went and did
it, that would be the contradiction,

1169
01:21:30.479 --> 01:21:32.840
you know, like that that would
be the you know, thing unfulfilled for

1170
01:21:33.000 --> 01:21:36.039
him. But he did, like
we know canonically, we didn't get to

1171
01:21:36.079 --> 01:21:42.439
see any of it, but we
know canonically he became Superman and did all

1172
01:21:42.520 --> 01:21:46.720
the wonderful things he's supposed to do
for humanity and the multiverse as him.

1173
01:21:47.479 --> 01:21:55.800
Yes, yeah, I agree,
and I and I again this is this

1174
01:21:55.960 --> 01:21:59.720
is me being awful. But I
liked Pep Talk. I thought it was

1175
01:21:59.800 --> 01:22:03.520
key. You um, too many
corny little moments for me, especially the

1176
01:22:03.840 --> 01:22:09.319
leap of faith that might have been
a step too far. I see it

1177
01:22:09.479 --> 01:22:14.000
was a leap too far, it
was, Yeah, I mean I liked

1178
01:22:14.119 --> 01:22:18.039
that it was the catalyst that brought
Chloe back to being Chloe Um so that

1179
01:22:18.159 --> 01:22:25.199
she realized she needed to kind of
be you know, that superhero support or

1180
01:22:26.239 --> 01:22:30.359
but yeah, there's like one too
many corny lines for me. But also

1181
01:22:30.479 --> 01:22:34.039
you know, I'm an asshole and
that's how did how did the upway hit

1182
01:22:34.079 --> 01:22:44.560
you? Right? I mean it's
not my favorite listen things that are there

1183
01:22:44.600 --> 01:22:46.439
are just a couple of things that
are like a little too on the nose

1184
01:22:46.560 --> 01:22:49.640
sometimes and I and I get it. It was a cw w B show.

1185
01:22:50.560 --> 01:22:54.720
These kinds of lines are going to
happen if to remember that this like

1186
01:22:54.920 --> 01:22:58.000
still kind of a tea and drama
you show, so it's going to be

1187
01:22:58.039 --> 01:23:03.359
those cliche moments. But yeah,
I felt like there's this, like again

1188
01:23:03.439 --> 01:23:09.279
one too many, a leap of
faith or up up in a way?

1189
01:23:09.560 --> 01:23:13.119
Okay, cheoge one, okay,
just one, you get one? And

1190
01:23:13.199 --> 01:23:16.079
then I get mad. I like
the up up in a way. I

1191
01:23:16.159 --> 01:23:23.439
think like that's that's a good call
to actually Superman. I yeah, this

1192
01:23:23.840 --> 01:23:27.039
look, this episode was delightful.
I quite, I very much enjoyed it

1193
01:23:27.479 --> 01:23:30.079
and I was just having a good
time watching it and the normal stuff that

1194
01:23:30.199 --> 01:23:32.199
upsets me was not upsetting me,
and I did and I felt these were

1195
01:23:32.960 --> 01:23:39.039
logical references as opposed to the thing
that gets me right talking about the CW

1196
01:23:39.199 --> 01:23:44.479
dialogue is like Clark Kent leaps tall
theories in a single bound like shut though

1197
01:23:45.239 --> 01:23:49.560
no one would say that in a
world without Superman. But okay, I

1198
01:23:49.680 --> 01:23:55.560
have to just say so Pep talk, and then I know it's to say

1199
01:23:55.680 --> 01:24:01.319
Clark yeats all the way up too. But then my favorite moment in this

1200
01:24:01.479 --> 01:24:09.199
whole freaking episode is Clark lands and
I think I read at the same time

1201
01:24:09.319 --> 01:24:15.359
Zatanna goes daddy and I lost it
and I'm like, girl, you know

1202
01:24:15.479 --> 01:24:21.399
that ain't your daddy, and like
she kept preferring to him as father,

1203
01:24:23.039 --> 01:24:29.439
father, father the whole episode daddy, and every fair and girl screamed,

1204
01:24:29.640 --> 01:24:33.840
I just you think it was an
a lib on set. I mean,

1205
01:24:36.159 --> 01:24:41.560
listen, I'm willing to give me
daddy now. Yeah, you got Tom

1206
01:24:41.680 --> 01:24:45.600
beefcake there, Now that's that's a
good He's did Tom think he was doing?

1207
01:24:45.640 --> 01:24:47.800
He visioned when he was jumping up
By the way he kept squinting,

1208
01:24:47.800 --> 01:24:53.520
I was like, what are you
doing? Eyes as I thought that was

1209
01:24:53.560 --> 01:24:56.600
the wind that they were blowing at
him in his hair too. Okay,

1210
01:24:56.760 --> 01:25:00.920
Yeah, and the bright light of
the Magic. Oh fair enough, you

1211
01:25:00.000 --> 01:25:03.960
guys gotta good good, you're doing
better. Yeah, this episode is eric

1212
01:25:04.000 --> 01:25:09.319
tight. I can find no flaws. But you know, he goes up

1213
01:25:09.359 --> 01:25:12.000
there and it is it is kind
of creepy because you see like this like

1214
01:25:12.199 --> 01:25:16.319
shape of a person's coming through this. John's Natara man. Yeah, he's

1215
01:25:16.319 --> 01:25:28.680
coming from the afterlife, right first
live action. It's so they lead into

1216
01:25:28.840 --> 01:25:30.680
and I was waiting for this,
uh, and they paid off when they

1217
01:25:30.760 --> 01:25:34.720
lead into Clark's character history of losing
his dad, because Latara is like,

1218
01:25:35.039 --> 01:25:39.159
what would you do of the person
you love and respected the most was taken

1219
01:25:39.159 --> 01:25:41.319
away from me? He's like,
I did, I lost my dad.

1220
01:25:41.359 --> 01:25:43.840
I didn't think I could continue,
but I had to let him go,

1221
01:25:43.960 --> 01:25:45.439
and you have to let him go. And I was like, there we

1222
01:25:45.560 --> 01:25:48.079
go, like this is some good
Superman stuff here, and just that whole

1223
01:25:48.199 --> 01:25:54.640
thing of like I love Chloe comes
up. I almost said Lois. Chloe

1224
01:25:54.760 --> 01:25:58.840
comes in and gets like kind of
captured by the magic essentially, and it's

1225
01:25:58.880 --> 01:26:02.000
gonna take her life in order to
exchange it. Ay, it's very sweet

1226
01:26:02.079 --> 01:26:06.000
that the Sitana's whole plan was like
I'll give my life to get him back

1227
01:26:06.159 --> 01:26:13.039
seemingly like she It's an interesting reversal
too, because I don't want to have

1228
01:26:13.119 --> 01:26:15.640
to do this, but I'm gonna
have to. Sorry, and I've already

1229
01:26:15.680 --> 01:26:18.880
got I've already got Green Arrow tied
up somewhere, and like, very easily

1230
01:26:18.920 --> 01:26:23.119
it could have been that, but
like it's it's more selfless. She's not

1231
01:26:23.239 --> 01:26:28.279
a villain. She just wants to
save her father because he seemingly gave his

1232
01:26:28.399 --> 01:26:30.960
life for her. It's lovely.
And then Clark bringing up the like,

1233
01:26:31.479 --> 01:26:35.359
this is not how this works,
Like you don't get to choose. The

1234
01:26:35.600 --> 01:26:40.880
universe will choose, and that sucks. Like that that is such a cool

1235
01:26:42.039 --> 01:26:46.239
It's such a bizarre, stupid sci
fi DC comics thing. But it's nice

1236
01:26:46.279 --> 01:26:50.119
that he gets to like kind of
impart this lesson, that this gets to

1237
01:26:50.159 --> 01:26:54.239
come back and be a teaching moment
for her and be a hero moment for

1238
01:26:54.359 --> 01:26:59.520
him. That's really cool to me. Yeah, yeah, I love that

1239
01:27:00.119 --> 01:27:01.520
ending moment. I mean, in
my notes again, because I'm snarky,

1240
01:27:01.600 --> 01:27:08.640
I just said Clark and z swapped
daddy issues, but it definitely goes deeper

1241
01:27:08.680 --> 01:27:13.199
than that. And I think that, you know, for Clark, some

1242
01:27:13.279 --> 01:27:15.960
of the other characters they have some
complicated stuff without their fathers and everything,

1243
01:27:16.560 --> 01:27:20.640
but I don't think Clark ever had
and you guys are correct me if I'm

1244
01:27:20.680 --> 01:27:25.600
wrong, But like somebody who had
a good relationship with their father that also

1245
01:27:25.720 --> 01:27:29.960
lost their father, I feel like
he finally found somebody that he could kind

1246
01:27:29.960 --> 01:27:36.399
of like impart what that feels like
two, but also the kind of have

1247
01:27:36.600 --> 01:27:41.319
that understanding. There's a lot of
empathy kind of shared between them because he's

1248
01:27:41.359 --> 01:27:44.479
like, no, I actually know
exactly how you feel, and it sucks.

1249
01:27:44.880 --> 01:27:48.000
Yeah, I don't know. I
just think it was really it was

1250
01:27:48.039 --> 01:27:53.560
a really cool momentum, and it
was again overly cliche dialogue about it.

1251
01:27:55.159 --> 01:27:58.199
He's speaking from the guilt of it
too, because like you know, like

1252
01:27:58.600 --> 01:28:02.239
in many ways he caused the heart
attack, you know, like they that's

1253
01:28:02.359 --> 01:28:06.600
that's where this comes from me And
however you want to interpret that. He

1254
01:28:06.960 --> 01:28:12.880
very much blames himself, like it's
just it's nice to see him do the

1255
01:28:12.960 --> 01:28:16.000
Superman thing and be like, this
is not what you want. Let my

1256
01:28:16.199 --> 01:28:24.800
mistake save you from doing the same
thing right. And the magic looks a

1257
01:28:24.840 --> 01:28:30.279
little stupid, but it's fine.
Once Choide gets gets start being stuck into

1258
01:28:30.279 --> 01:28:31.640
the vortex. I'm like, oh, oh, I could think of it

1259
01:28:31.720 --> 01:28:39.600
is like, there's no vortex there. Allison's just like cleaning. It looks

1260
01:28:39.600 --> 01:28:41.800
so good. After that point,
they were doing good. They were doing

1261
01:28:41.880 --> 01:28:46.039
good. It's fine. They don't
show it. They smartly don't like feature

1262
01:28:46.039 --> 01:28:49.520
it too much. It's yeah,
and she and she makes the right choice,

1263
01:28:49.920 --> 01:28:55.079
right, she didn't. It's not
some like you know, they couldn't,

1264
01:28:55.199 --> 01:28:56.720
like you said, they could have
easily made her like the villain of

1265
01:28:56.760 --> 01:28:58.840
the week and then still kind of
clean it up later. But no,

1266
01:28:59.000 --> 01:29:00.199
like, she makes the right choice. She doesn't have to be like forced

1267
01:29:00.239 --> 01:29:04.359
to do it. She does the
right thing. So she's more villainous than

1268
01:29:04.359 --> 01:29:08.399
the next one if I remember correctly. But she's more than mischievous, I

1269
01:29:08.520 --> 01:29:12.399
say, the next one for sure. Yeah. Portal closes all as well,

1270
01:29:13.239 --> 01:29:17.319
and then we cut to the same
shot of Chloe getting up in the

1271
01:29:17.399 --> 01:29:20.319
morning from her bed and it's her
feet and they fit into her slip version.

1272
01:29:20.399 --> 01:29:24.319
She goes to the mirror and she's
herself and probably have a first time

1273
01:29:24.399 --> 01:29:27.760
in her life. Chloe Sullivan is
happy with her life and who she's in

1274
01:29:27.760 --> 01:29:34.600
the mirror. I don't that's not
even a joke serious unfortunately, yeah right,

1275
01:29:35.800 --> 01:29:40.960
yeah, no, you're absolutely right. Oh man, But Clark is

1276
01:29:40.960 --> 01:29:45.039
there with a peace offering for missing
her on her birthday party, and uh,

1277
01:29:45.680 --> 01:29:49.319
that's funny. I think Clark is
great this episode to all these great

1278
01:29:49.359 --> 01:29:53.199
this episode. I just really love
what he's been down on, all these

1279
01:29:53.239 --> 01:29:58.239
different all these different vibes and no
amnesia by the way, say hey,

1280
01:29:58.239 --> 01:30:00.920
do you remember all that? Like, yeah, I do, so weird

1281
01:30:00.039 --> 01:30:05.119
day and they he makes a Dragnet
reference. He calls himself the just the

1282
01:30:05.199 --> 01:30:09.720
facts man version of himself and that's
a that's a dragnet reference. Is that

1283
01:30:10.319 --> 01:30:16.199
is? Yeah? Yeh drags in
the movie. So ghost Poster's connection on

1284
01:30:16.279 --> 01:30:19.800
him Park Kansas, super cool,
dude. He watched Dick at Knight when

1285
01:30:19.840 --> 01:30:23.880
he was a kid with his parents. Fine, sure right, Johnathan watched

1286
01:30:23.920 --> 01:30:28.640
Dragnet. I believe it. Anyway, they got some lines about responsibility and

1287
01:30:29.119 --> 01:30:31.359
empty and purpose, and I thought
this is a good unpacking of like,

1288
01:30:31.840 --> 01:30:33.800
yeah, this is what I need
to be doing. So I like this

1289
01:30:33.800 --> 01:30:40.039
seem between him quid. I like
it too. I also like the kind

1290
01:30:40.079 --> 01:30:43.079
of relationship stuff that they say about
it too, where they kind of both

1291
01:30:43.159 --> 01:30:45.720
turn each other's points against them of
like, I guess neither of us should

1292
01:30:45.720 --> 01:30:50.439
be living in the past and figure
out how we truly feel and move forward

1293
01:30:50.479 --> 01:30:55.319
with that. And it's again,
it's just one of those little little seedlings

1294
01:30:55.439 --> 01:30:59.640
basically of like you like Louis,
don't you, you know, like come

1295
01:30:59.720 --> 01:31:04.840
to Lois Lane is a part of
your life now? Yeah, yeah,

1296
01:31:05.279 --> 01:31:11.479
I like that Chloe is dancing around
the fact that she really wants Lois to

1297
01:31:11.600 --> 01:31:15.720
know. Um you should tell her, remember you should? I mean,

1298
01:31:15.800 --> 01:31:17.800
you know, it's like tell her, but you should like tell her,

1299
01:31:17.960 --> 01:31:21.439
you know, yeah, yeah,
very much because our lives will be a

1300
01:31:21.439 --> 01:31:30.880
lot easier. Please just dollars because
I can't. Um no, but there's

1301
01:31:30.880 --> 01:31:33.359
a good there's some good life lessons
here about the whole you know, like,

1302
01:31:33.520 --> 01:31:35.920
uh, if you you got to
focus on where you want to be

1303
01:31:36.039 --> 01:31:39.119
and not what could have been and
looking forward. I'm like, okay,

1304
01:31:39.279 --> 01:31:42.039
this is this is this is kind
of stuff I wanted them to discuss when

1305
01:31:42.079 --> 01:31:45.439
Loto was here, and they could
have moved past her that way instead of

1306
01:31:45.520 --> 01:31:48.560
like, ah, she's physical kryptonite. Now that's why that's how I moved

1307
01:31:48.640 --> 01:31:54.720
on. So the key is you
got to make your dad wear kryptonite skins,

1308
01:31:54.760 --> 01:31:57.960
dude, and then you can move
on and then you can get over

1309
01:31:58.079 --> 01:32:00.560
it. Yeah, yeah, that's
the only way out have. However,

1310
01:32:00.680 --> 01:32:03.159
Clark will be like, hey,
it's a ton I got this ex girlfriend

1311
01:32:03.199 --> 01:32:10.000
who's poisoning me. Now can be
fixed. Wow, thank god, that

1312
01:32:10.159 --> 01:32:13.359
wasn't the wish think about it.
That was like three episodes ago. That's

1313
01:32:13.399 --> 01:32:15.920
fresh his mind. So anyway,
I'll find a way for us to be

1314
01:32:16.039 --> 01:32:20.279
again. No matter what, It's
all right. I guess who's on his

1315
01:32:20.399 --> 01:32:26.640
mind though, Yeah, Lois Lane. It's still weird because like Koe and

1316
01:32:26.680 --> 01:32:29.159
Lois her cousins and she's like Clark
and all of a sudden required to love.

1317
01:32:29.199 --> 01:32:30.920
It's still weird. But that's how
we knew that Silver Van Shee episode

1318
01:32:31.920 --> 01:32:34.399
to clean all this stuff up.
But see it, just seeing them chilling

1319
01:32:34.439 --> 01:32:39.199
out talking in her living room like
this is that like good human interactions,

1320
01:32:39.600 --> 01:32:43.800
which I think are not frequent enough
on this show, and so this episode

1321
01:32:43.800 --> 01:32:47.239
has a good number of them.
Unless pretend that talent scene is in here

1322
01:32:47.279 --> 01:32:51.279
too. We'll pretend that Coy went
downstairs and got us somewhere from Lois and

1323
01:32:51.840 --> 01:32:55.960
yeah, I was following your footsteps
you know I'm the woman I am to

1324
01:32:56.000 --> 01:32:58.000
day because of you. I'm like, all right that that the latest scene

1325
01:32:58.079 --> 01:33:02.560
is now count Yeah and uh then
cut to Oliver and uh Zatana has come

1326
01:33:02.600 --> 01:33:08.359
to to to say she's sorry,
and Oliver, as we talked about he

1327
01:33:08.439 --> 01:33:13.000
deduced that bound by Steel Backwards is
what she said. That's pretty cool and

1328
01:33:13.399 --> 01:33:15.760
it's a it's a good rap up
him. It is very Batan, I

1329
01:33:15.760 --> 01:33:20.600
guess deducing that. What the hell? I just like him in the alley,

1330
01:33:20.680 --> 01:33:28.039
going like what did she say?
You know Batman would have gotten out

1331
01:33:28.039 --> 01:33:30.279
of those chains too, because he's
a famous because he trained with John Zatana.

1332
01:33:30.960 --> 01:33:36.680
Yes, now we all saw an
arrow. Oliver knows how to break

1333
01:33:36.720 --> 01:33:39.960
his thumbs or whatever. He gets
fine, don't worry about it. Yeah.

1334
01:33:40.840 --> 01:33:44.760
My favorite moment in this exchange between
Oliver and Zatana at the end here

1335
01:33:45.239 --> 01:33:46.800
is when she says that she just
wants us to happen again, and he

1336
01:33:46.920 --> 01:33:53.119
just goes, hey, here's the
thought, don't do it again. Oliver

1337
01:33:53.279 --> 01:33:57.560
was great in this episode. I
was really gonna brand very entertaining. This

1338
01:33:57.840 --> 01:34:00.880
is a great Oliver. I Also, it's just like there's the cute thing

1339
01:34:00.960 --> 01:34:03.920
with the card of like what am
I supposed to do with? Because she

1340
01:34:04.159 --> 01:34:09.840
hands it to him as like a
playing card, Yeah, to do this

1341
01:34:10.159 --> 01:34:12.560
like some magic spell or whatever.
He's like, no, it's your phone

1342
01:34:12.640 --> 01:34:15.760
number and flips if he flips it
over, it's not card he thought it

1343
01:34:15.880 --> 01:34:18.359
was. It was like, oh, it's a good version of the Doctor

1344
01:34:18.439 --> 01:34:21.439
Strange, like, no, that's
the Wi Fi password, you know,

1345
01:34:21.520 --> 01:34:28.319
like yeah, yeah, Like it
was cute. Wi Fi password is Alfred.

1346
01:34:29.199 --> 01:34:33.159
Yeah, and then you know,
she teases there's some other dangerous magicians

1347
01:34:33.239 --> 01:34:35.640
and things out there and if you
know, call me if you need help.

1348
01:34:35.680 --> 01:34:40.479
And we get to season eleven,
we'll see Constantine. Yeah, there

1349
01:34:40.520 --> 01:34:47.640
it is, and uh, it's
funny. On IMDb it says that Satanas

1350
01:34:47.640 --> 01:34:53.079
in three episodes and I was like, wait, she just sent them that

1351
01:34:53.279 --> 01:34:56.520
bottle of wine. Are they talking
about when she gets knocked out, when

1352
01:34:56.560 --> 01:35:00.359
her body double gets knocked out?
We're talking about when she gets knocked doubt

1353
01:35:00.439 --> 01:35:03.880
in uh chorus at the at the
funeral for Hawkman, I was like,

1354
01:35:04.039 --> 01:35:09.800
come on, y'all, that's not
that's not an episode of Zatana because it

1355
01:35:09.840 --> 01:35:13.760
has it has you know, Syrenda
Swan's IMDb and it has small Vol Three

1356
01:35:13.760 --> 01:35:15.640
episodes and I was like, did
I something? And I was like,

1357
01:35:15.760 --> 01:35:18.600
no way, I didn't miss this, but yes, it's uh is she

1358
01:35:18.800 --> 01:35:24.319
ever on a video? It says
no, no, she's not, but

1359
01:35:24.439 --> 01:35:27.800
it says uncredited. But that's a
body double. I can't really be her.

1360
01:35:27.960 --> 01:35:30.079
No way they got her back for
that. I don't know. Yeah,

1361
01:35:30.239 --> 01:35:31.720
so there you go. By the
way. Last word on Surrenda Swan.

1362
01:35:32.039 --> 01:35:36.039
She is currently in a show called
Coroner. It would look pretty good,

1363
01:35:36.359 --> 01:35:40.279
um thirty eight episodes. She looks
like she's the main character of that.

1364
01:35:40.680 --> 01:35:46.520
And she's also in Reacher with Alan
Richarson, Aquaman and really Christian So

1365
01:35:46.600 --> 01:35:49.159
I look at you. I gotta
watch Reacher. Looked like a good show.

1366
01:35:49.439 --> 01:35:54.680
I remember Vancouver or something. What
is the un It's very much possible

1367
01:35:54.720 --> 01:35:57.079
with both of them in there because
of the te shot of Vancouver as well.

1368
01:35:57.119 --> 01:35:59.760
It's probably watching. But I saw
the first shrailer for Reacher and I

1369
01:35:59.800 --> 01:36:02.239
was like, hey, guy looks
really familiar, and oh my god,

1370
01:36:02.239 --> 01:36:10.079
it's Socco man. He's like he
was always a big hug. He's he

1371
01:36:10.239 --> 01:36:15.840
He's a mountain of hi man giant. Anyway, been among him in person.

1372
01:36:15.880 --> 01:36:17.479
I haven't met him, met him
but he's been at conventions I've been

1373
01:36:17.479 --> 01:36:21.600
at and he's a big dude.
Yeah, the large many Yeah, when

1374
01:36:21.640 --> 01:36:26.439
they recast Captain Marvel, I think
he's a good choice. So just saying

1375
01:36:28.880 --> 01:36:30.880
I've seen a lot of fans online
saying that to him, Like, yeah,

1376
01:36:30.920 --> 01:36:34.039
I actually would he's got that anyway, child, Yeah that's interesting.

1377
01:36:34.079 --> 01:36:41.760
Patrick Warburton stool now so oh but
his like take era him would become so

1378
01:36:41.960 --> 01:36:45.560
gay. Yeah. Interesting. Anyway, let's get to the best scene in

1379
01:36:45.199 --> 01:36:48.119
Yeah, I'm glad certain just want
at least comes back for one episode after

1380
01:36:48.199 --> 01:36:50.840
this, so good. Get on. What do we got now, Matt,

1381
01:36:51.960 --> 01:36:58.399
we got finally, lowest g d
Lane is back here at the Daily

1382
01:36:58.520 --> 01:37:03.279
Planet. This is the cutest in
the world. She is. She's perfect

1383
01:37:03.399 --> 01:37:08.079
in this scene and playing the like
again this is what made me go,

1384
01:37:08.239 --> 01:37:12.399
like I want to know what this
interaction was between her and Chloe of like,

1385
01:37:12.520 --> 01:37:15.479
how did she learn all this?
Like she is up to speed and

1386
01:37:15.680 --> 01:37:18.640
fine with it and just wants to
mess with him, not like that's a

1387
01:37:18.760 --> 01:37:23.640
crazy thing. So magic's real.
No, just like, so you framed

1388
01:37:23.680 --> 01:37:28.039
it. Huh yeah, let me
see it. Let me is it.

1389
01:37:29.119 --> 01:37:33.279
It's it's really cute. But it's
still it's that it's that well they won't

1390
01:37:33.319 --> 01:37:40.279
they thing of like let's just let's
table this and and she doesn't really mean

1391
01:37:40.439 --> 01:37:44.199
like table this whole like maybe we
like each other thing, she doesn't really

1392
01:37:44.279 --> 01:37:47.359
mean it. He agrees, and
then she's a little hurt, but like,

1393
01:37:47.680 --> 01:37:50.039
let's add it to the rules.
I don't know, like it's all

1394
01:37:50.680 --> 01:37:54.560
this is the type of stuff I
watched c W shows for it, Like

1395
01:37:54.680 --> 01:38:00.960
this is awesome to me. And
she is like she's just like unbelieved.

1396
01:38:00.079 --> 01:38:03.359
Can't take your eyes off her.
In the scene. I love Erica Durants

1397
01:38:03.399 --> 01:38:09.399
here. I love that she was
like calling him out for being sentimental and

1398
01:38:09.800 --> 01:38:14.000
his like very very weak defans of
who's for my first day? It's like,

1399
01:38:14.279 --> 01:38:16.439
yeah, okay, if any would
have given that to you wouldn't have

1400
01:38:16.479 --> 01:38:19.079
a frame to Clark when we both
know it, Yeah, my first day

1401
01:38:19.199 --> 01:38:23.800
of sitting across from you, you
know, right, That's that's the thing.

1402
01:38:23.960 --> 01:38:26.760
Well, even that, like it
hit her message with a cheer squeaking

1403
01:38:26.760 --> 01:38:29.319
and call back to the premiere where
he was sitting in the cheers squeaking.

1404
01:38:29.479 --> 01:38:31.239
I'm like, oh, like these
guys, it's like poet reed rhymes and

1405
01:38:31.680 --> 01:38:35.000
uh, it's just it's very cute
like that. They should sell though.

1406
01:38:35.000 --> 01:38:39.199
I would buy that, like the
Lost Lanes Rules of Journalism, and I

1407
01:38:39.199 --> 01:38:43.279
think we should hang these up.
It's so good. That should be a

1408
01:38:43.359 --> 01:38:45.319
thing. I want to see that
in the comics somewhere. I want to

1409
01:38:45.359 --> 01:38:49.479
see that incorporated. That would be
so cool. Yeah, in Superman Legacy,

1410
01:38:49.840 --> 01:38:55.359
I want to see Lois give Clark
some rules so anyway handwritten. Yeah,

1411
01:38:55.800 --> 01:39:00.359
but yeah, they're gonna the romance
is uh is gonna be against the

1412
01:39:00.399 --> 01:39:05.079
rules now nowhere plays romance for now. It reminded me, honestly of Lewis

1413
01:39:05.079 --> 01:39:08.439
and Clark when there's so many times
of like, you know what, let's

1414
01:39:08.479 --> 01:39:11.399
just not talk about the dating word
or not, you know, like we

1415
01:39:11.880 --> 01:39:15.840
have to deal with this. It's
great. Yeah, and that's a great

1416
01:39:15.880 --> 01:39:20.279
in the episode is over there now
there's one more scene and they should um.

1417
01:39:20.800 --> 01:39:26.039
This episode was about Chloe, so
I guess it's appropriate that she's the

1418
01:39:26.119 --> 01:39:28.800
last scene. But Ray, what
do you think of this last scene in

1419
01:39:28.840 --> 01:39:33.159
isis where Oliver gives her her earpiece
and she's officially part of this. I

1420
01:39:33.319 --> 01:39:36.159
liked it. I thought it was
necessary, it was kind of it.

1421
01:39:36.359 --> 01:39:44.720
I mean it wrapped up her storyline
of like, Okay, I am Chloe

1422
01:39:44.760 --> 01:39:48.279
Sullivant and I am happy about it. And she's like, I lived out

1423
01:39:48.319 --> 01:39:50.880
what I thought was my fantasy and
I wasn't happy. I feel like it

1424
01:39:51.000 --> 01:39:56.720
was as a fun ending for the
episode. I like it. Yeah,

1425
01:39:56.760 --> 01:39:59.399
Oliver just say He's like, hey, you guys that got magic seemed to

1426
01:39:59.439 --> 01:40:00.159
get some clarity. Wish I would
have gotten some of that. And I

1427
01:40:00.239 --> 01:40:04.800
guess that confirms that he didn't like
lex is not coming back. I guess

1428
01:40:05.119 --> 01:40:09.840
he didn't get his wish. Yeah, um, this is so funny,

1429
01:40:10.520 --> 01:40:14.159
but that that was a thing,
or yes, that's I would have been

1430
01:40:14.239 --> 01:40:16.000
the same if I read that as
a kid, I'd be like, oh,

1431
01:40:16.199 --> 01:40:18.680
maybe that's gonna happen. Kid.
I was in college at this point,

1432
01:40:18.720 --> 01:40:21.239
but you know what I mean,
whatever, whatever they could do working

1433
01:40:21.279 --> 01:40:24.600
back in they had to do.
So. So yeah, we get our

1434
01:40:24.880 --> 01:40:29.319
pictures of publicity photo pictures of all
the Justice League members they previously mentioned,

1435
01:40:29.359 --> 01:40:32.479
Owledger sitting up there and among others, Marsha Man Hunter not a not a

1436
01:40:32.520 --> 01:40:34.720
member, I guess yet, or
I guess he doesn't have powers I forgot,

1437
01:40:34.880 --> 01:40:39.279
Yeah he doesn't. He doesn't have
powers right now, right until Doctor

1438
01:40:39.359 --> 01:40:43.399
Fate brings him back as jackets All
Connected Sam Green for two seconds. Yeah

1439
01:40:43.800 --> 01:40:46.800
there, he is actually not even
the first live action marsh Man Hunters the

1440
01:40:46.800 --> 01:40:53.960
guy from the Justice League from mash
Yeah, Watchtower Online, so this is

1441
01:40:54.319 --> 01:41:00.000
overwatched Watchtower Oracle, right, Zach, how do you feel about the watch

1442
01:41:00.000 --> 01:41:08.680
watch Tower evolution of Chloe? The
Oracle of of Chloe? That's fine,

1443
01:41:08.760 --> 01:41:13.359
I guess, okay, I mean
it's They clearly need to give her something

1444
01:41:13.399 --> 01:41:17.800
to do other than run Isis,
so she's more qualified for this because all

1445
01:41:17.840 --> 01:41:23.439
her like computer hacking and superhero sidekicking
over the years. I just, honestly,

1446
01:41:23.479 --> 01:41:26.880
I just would have preferred Chloe and
Lois work at the Daily Planet,

1447
01:41:27.000 --> 01:41:30.399
and I think two women can work
at a newspaper. But I'm a progressive

1448
01:41:30.439 --> 01:41:34.119
guy. What can I say?
So I have only there's only room for

1449
01:41:34.199 --> 01:41:41.439
one two women? Can two characters, three or four characters on the same

1450
01:41:41.520 --> 01:41:44.880
show. That seems that I don't
know, wait wait wait, think Race

1451
01:41:45.039 --> 01:41:46.880
is a good ending for for Chloe
because this is pretty much the role she

1452
01:41:46.960 --> 01:41:50.439
plays the rest of her time on
the show. I like it, and

1453
01:41:51.000 --> 01:41:56.880
I think the reason I like it
so much is because she was she figured

1454
01:41:57.000 --> 01:42:01.039
out. I mean I like figured
out, like you know those she found

1455
01:42:01.119 --> 01:42:06.319
out Clark's secret. She was shown
Clark's secret. Yes there's the Alicia factor,

1456
01:42:08.079 --> 01:42:11.720
but she kept it a secret and
she was really like hoping him,

1457
01:42:11.720 --> 01:42:14.840
praying that he would kind of like
bring it to her. And so I

1458
01:42:14.960 --> 01:42:23.399
think that the way she has been
so trustworthy and always kind of like sidekicky,

1459
01:42:23.600 --> 01:42:26.399
not like necessarily so I wouldn't even
call her a sidekick honestly, because

1460
01:42:26.439 --> 01:42:30.079
like she's been so smart and helpful, Clark was her more her sidekick,

1461
01:42:30.119 --> 01:42:34.560
and yeah, like he was just
she was the brain, he was the

1462
01:42:34.600 --> 01:42:40.159
bron right, So I think it
makes sense for her. It felt like

1463
01:42:40.199 --> 01:42:44.520
a natural progression for her because especially
after she accepted, you know, that

1464
01:42:44.720 --> 01:42:47.159
her life wasn't going to be what
she thought it was. To me,

1465
01:42:47.319 --> 01:42:49.439
this is like it's not gonna be
just thought it was going to be better.

1466
01:42:50.359 --> 01:42:57.680
Um, you're gonna be involved in
something huge. And again I think

1467
01:42:57.760 --> 01:43:00.760
that her character the whole time is
being set up as the brains of the

1468
01:43:00.840 --> 01:43:05.439
operation, so she should be in
charge of all the people doing all the

1469
01:43:05.560 --> 01:43:10.359
things. No, that's a that's
a good way to look at it like

1470
01:43:10.439 --> 01:43:12.720
that's a good life lesson, Like
you know what life is not what you've

1471
01:43:12.880 --> 01:43:15.880
always thought it was gonna be.
Yeah, but it might You're not better

1472
01:43:15.279 --> 01:43:26.800
m hm. It's it was she
call sign Watchtower Injustice. Oh I don't

1473
01:43:26.840 --> 01:43:30.039
think so, right. I don't
know she had a headset. She had

1474
01:43:30.079 --> 01:43:31.960
a headset, but I don't think
she had a call. I look at

1475
01:43:32.039 --> 01:43:38.159
us, we're such bad fans.
Three people are yelling at the from Justice

1476
01:43:38.239 --> 01:43:42.039
through what she must have had a
good name, right, Justice, everybody

1477
01:43:42.039 --> 01:43:44.720
else had a good name. I'll
look it up. Okay, but um,

1478
01:43:45.079 --> 01:43:48.199
let us know the comments. I
thought this is awesome and like like

1479
01:43:48.319 --> 01:43:53.520
you were saying Ray, like she's
the brains, he's the bron that's that's

1480
01:43:53.640 --> 01:43:58.800
oracle, Like that's Birds of Gray
Oracle. And they were never gonna,

1481
01:43:59.159 --> 01:44:02.399
you know, be regarding or whatever
on this show. But like from what

1482
01:44:02.600 --> 01:44:08.720
they were doing here and the way
that the role she played in his life

1483
01:44:08.840 --> 01:44:12.920
for so many years in this show, I thought this was an awesome pivot

1484
01:44:13.039 --> 01:44:16.439
for the writers of like okay,
newly for her, let's go, and

1485
01:44:17.039 --> 01:44:20.640
it served them well for years after
Like this this, I forgot that this

1486
01:44:20.920 --> 01:44:24.920
was the episode where we kind of
established that. But that was really cool.

1487
01:44:25.439 --> 01:44:27.720
Yeah, I think this is finally
when I was like, oh,

1488
01:44:27.800 --> 01:44:29.680
I guess they're not going to go
Chloe at the end of this show,

1489
01:44:30.319 --> 01:44:32.680
because I still thought they were gonna
kill her, but they had always hinted

1490
01:44:32.760 --> 01:44:39.039
this dark, terrible faith for her
either death or insanity or meteor power jail

1491
01:44:39.159 --> 01:44:42.359
or something, right, Um,
and yeah, but of course that's the

1492
01:44:42.439 --> 01:44:45.720
weirdest thing. There's this very like
Chloe centric Chloe's found sure she is,

1493
01:44:45.760 --> 01:44:47.760
she's found her place in the world, and she's happy now. Episode right

1494
01:44:47.880 --> 01:44:50.439
after they just started the whole like
her and Jimmy had still break up,

1495
01:44:50.479 --> 01:44:53.680
and the rest of the season she's
gonna be with Davis and it's gonna be

1496
01:44:53.720 --> 01:44:58.680
like ah, so um, it's
weird that it's it's here. Um,

1497
01:44:59.159 --> 01:45:00.920
but you guys, yeah, you
guys really sold me on the love and

1498
01:45:00.960 --> 01:45:03.680
the love and the Watchdower thing.
I don't like you guys, don't like.

1499
01:45:03.680 --> 01:45:05.760
I always kind of wanted to be
low us for a long so many

1500
01:45:05.880 --> 01:45:08.520
years and then I was like,
what did you do? And they were

1501
01:45:08.560 --> 01:45:10.319
just kind of like trying to figure
out some to do with her. But

1502
01:45:10.600 --> 01:45:14.279
you know what, She's how do
you argue it really? Did you know?

1503
01:45:14.800 --> 01:45:15.920
It did? Kind of address it
head on, like I gotta give

1504
01:45:15.960 --> 01:45:20.119
him credit for like here it is, so there you go? That is

1505
01:45:21.000 --> 01:45:27.119
X. The Superman legend begins in
a place called small Ville. Ever feel

1506
01:45:27.119 --> 01:45:30.319
like your life was supposed to be
something different than Secrets. I don't want

1507
01:45:30.359 --> 01:45:32.560
any record that I was here,
loyal t. I never bet against Clark

1508
01:45:32.600 --> 01:45:38.800
Kenned. What do you want the
world? Missus Kent? Destiny? Maybe

1509
01:45:38.840 --> 01:45:42.119
it's the time I stopped running from
who I really am? Clark Kent?

1510
01:45:42.319 --> 01:45:45.079
Will you marry me? No?
You can own every action packed episode,

1511
01:45:45.640 --> 01:45:54.079
Doomsday cover plus never before seen Boneless
features small Ville old season eight on Blu

1512
01:45:54.279 --> 01:46:01.439
ray and DVD. Hex got an
eight point three at ten, and Neil

1513
01:46:01.479 --> 01:46:10.279
Bailey from the Superman home page gave
it a one five. Neil is he's

1514
01:46:10.319 --> 01:46:13.520
not liking the show right now.
I thought it's a ton I would count

1515
01:46:13.560 --> 01:46:15.479
for something. I was kind of
shocked. I know he's been really low,

1516
01:46:15.520 --> 01:46:17.399
but I was like, surely he
liked this one. But nope,

1517
01:46:17.479 --> 01:46:21.479
one out of five from Neil.
But on the letter grade scale, Ray,

1518
01:46:21.600 --> 01:46:27.680
We'll start with you, what would
you give this episode? Mm?

1519
01:46:27.760 --> 01:46:31.159
Hmm, I don't know. I'm
really biased. I love the Tanne so

1520
01:46:31.279 --> 01:46:45.960
much. Um yeah, I'm looking
to say a minus simply because I wish

1521
01:46:46.039 --> 01:46:49.640
they would have had some of those
deleted scenes. It would have been a

1522
01:46:49.720 --> 01:46:54.800
solid A for me because it's tied
up some stuff. Had they had a

1523
01:46:54.840 --> 01:47:00.239
couple of those deleted scenes, then
fair odd episode. I love Satanna even

1524
01:47:00.279 --> 01:47:06.199
then a nerve for powers. I
understand why they did some of the other

1525
01:47:06.359 --> 01:47:14.439
like special effects and dialogue things aside
um. I loved it, but again,

1526
01:47:14.560 --> 01:47:18.039
horrifically biased because I loved it.
Yeah, great, what about you,

1527
01:47:18.079 --> 01:47:24.239
Matt, I just think the same
thing A minus everything. Um you

1528
01:47:24.359 --> 01:47:27.720
said, right, and be just
like the whole thing was super entertaining.

1529
01:47:27.760 --> 01:47:30.960
There's not much more you could ask
from an episode of Smallville until we get

1530
01:47:31.000 --> 01:47:35.520
into like the the really just like
a A plus material, you know,

1531
01:47:35.600 --> 01:47:43.439
but like this was great. We're
gonna give it a soliday. I love

1532
01:47:43.520 --> 01:47:48.880
this episode. I was not that
not that I was like I thought it

1533
01:47:48.920 --> 01:47:51.560
was gonna be bad, but I
was like, this was delightful. I

1534
01:47:51.720 --> 01:47:56.279
enjoyed this entire thing. The last
couple episodes here around, you know,

1535
01:47:56.439 --> 01:47:59.920
especially we're in the era of the
show where it's it's not gonna be good

1536
01:48:00.000 --> 01:48:02.119
anymore. This is it. This
is the last good episode of the season.

1537
01:48:02.720 --> 01:48:05.560
I guess we'll find out, but
this was just delightful and they all

1538
01:48:05.640 --> 01:48:09.000
when they ever real they bring in
a combat character, they really do an

1539
01:48:09.000 --> 01:48:12.079
excellent job. And I was just
so happy with this episode. Those of

1540
01:48:12.199 --> 01:48:14.479
lead to scenes should have been here, as you said, but I'm gonna

1541
01:48:14.479 --> 01:48:17.760
go with the A solid A from
me, So there have it, A

1542
01:48:17.920 --> 01:48:26.039
micuses for raid Matt and an A
for me. Tally Board plus one from

1543
01:48:26.159 --> 01:48:30.279
these account brings us to sixty five
because Clark forgot he was Kalil there for

1544
01:48:30.359 --> 01:48:33.760
a while. Hospital visit plus one
for the shop owner. That brings us

1545
01:48:33.760 --> 01:48:40.199
to one hundred and twenty seven.
And that's all I had. So sure

1546
01:48:40.359 --> 01:48:45.279
tally board this week, you you
weren't yourself doesn't count because you know letter

1547
01:48:45.319 --> 01:48:51.319
of the law. I guess he
I uh like first appearances of combat characters,

1548
01:48:51.359 --> 01:48:57.359
but I guess that's from yeah,
yeah, that was the Patreon stuff.

1549
01:48:57.439 --> 01:49:00.800
Yeah so yeah, So that's so
that's it. No more airplane Oliver

1550
01:49:00.880 --> 01:49:02.399
has a office now and he didn't
take a shirt off, so I mean,

1551
01:49:02.439 --> 01:49:05.720
like, you know, it's all
these potential well that would have been

1552
01:49:05.800 --> 01:49:12.279
the step forward one step back,
you know, but we need no shirt

1553
01:49:12.359 --> 01:49:15.920
and the chance for Oliver next time. So yeah, exactly or a drag

1554
01:49:15.199 --> 01:49:18.760
by the time we get to the
end of the ton Oh I just remember

1555
01:49:18.840 --> 01:49:25.319
that she gets so powerful her gift
baskets give us whole episodes, you know,

1556
01:49:26.279 --> 01:49:31.680
very good Bechtel test bass. Because
Chloe talks to Lois on the phone

1557
01:49:31.920 --> 01:49:39.119
about each other. Wow, that's
a thin pass. But yeah sure,

1558
01:49:39.760 --> 01:49:43.560
letter of the Law of my Friend. Yep, that's fine. So and

1559
01:49:43.720 --> 01:49:47.079
that's why this episode gets an A. So there you go, guys.

1560
01:49:47.199 --> 01:49:51.840
That is hex Ray. Thanks so
much for joining us again. Thank you.

1561
01:49:53.399 --> 01:49:56.880
If people want to find you other
on Instagram, maybe see you as

1562
01:49:56.920 --> 01:50:01.840
a ton of where can they go? I'm at Darth Ray Underscore cause fit

1563
01:50:02.119 --> 01:50:09.840
so Darth as Invader ray r E
Underscore c O S F T S very

1564
01:50:09.920 --> 01:50:13.319
good. So look out for you
and your mini cosplays and your many convention

1565
01:50:13.359 --> 01:50:15.680
appearances and all that over there and
a lot a lot of fun stuff.

1566
01:50:15.760 --> 01:50:19.479
So all the fun things literally just
followed. You can't wait to see if

1567
01:50:19.520 --> 01:50:26.039
you come up with this book or
not. And Matt, where can people

1568
01:50:26.079 --> 01:50:28.840
find you out there? What do
you do in these days? I'm lost

1569
01:50:28.880 --> 01:50:32.079
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1570
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1571
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1573
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really fun time. All Right,
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1574
01:50:50.479 --> 01:50:55.840
hot to clout. Yeah, thank
you again, pod Father. All Right,

1575
01:50:55.880 --> 01:50:59.560
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1576
01:50:59.560 --> 01:51:03.920
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1577
01:51:03.960 --> 01:51:08.920
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1578
01:51:08.960 --> 01:51:15.359
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