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So welcome to it, and I'm real happy to get straight to 18 00:01:26.599 --> 00:01:30.000 it now. I know we were a little late on the live stream, 19 00:01:30.040 --> 00:01:33.480 but if you're catching the podcast, you don't care and don't know, so 20 00:01:33.599 --> 00:01:38.280 it's all right. Who do I have with me for this particular hour of 21 00:01:38.359 --> 00:01:41.480 discussion. Well, it's not going to be much of a discussion. I 22 00:01:41.519 --> 00:01:47.040 need an update from the vice president of the Mary Farrell Foundation, the editor 23 00:01:47.079 --> 00:01:53.079 in chief of the jfk fax blog but also author of various books, individual 24 00:01:53.120 --> 00:01:56.879 who I've referenced on the show many many times and had on the show a 25 00:01:56.920 --> 00:02:00.400 couple of times to talk about things like, oh, I don't know suing 26 00:02:00.439 --> 00:02:06.159 the CIA, Okay, over the Joe and Edes case, if that doesn't 27 00:02:06.239 --> 00:02:10.240 ring a bell. Obviously, I'm talking about mister Jefferson Morley and more than 28 00:02:10.280 --> 00:02:15.840 happy to have him here to discuss guess what the lawsuit right now, the 29 00:02:15.879 --> 00:02:23.080 Mary Farrell Foundation versus the Biden administration. Even though I pointed out that, 30 00:02:23.240 --> 00:02:27.439 you know, the presidential administrations in the past have had their interesting histories here. 31 00:02:28.159 --> 00:02:31.840 Well, let's talk about what's happening today. The Biden administration still dragging 32 00:02:31.879 --> 00:02:36.199 its feet over guess what the stuff that was deemed to be released in the 33 00:02:36.280 --> 00:02:40.599 nineteen nineties, the Assassination Records Review Board. We got away twenty five years 34 00:02:40.639 --> 00:02:46.400 to see documentation, and in twenty seventeen Trump didn't release it all, and 35 00:02:46.800 --> 00:02:53.439 then a few years later Biden didn't release it all. And well, we'll 36 00:02:53.599 --> 00:02:55.680 get filled in right now. I mean, we've talked about this before with 37 00:02:55.800 --> 00:03:00.840 Larry Hancock, with Jefferson Morley, with the law. Let's see, Larry 38 00:03:00.840 --> 00:03:05.120 Schnapp was on here. I think I couldn't get Bill Simpach, but I 39 00:03:05.120 --> 00:03:08.560 got Larry on here to talk about it, and I had other people discussing 40 00:03:08.599 --> 00:03:14.439 this on this show. But the latest regarding this whole situation, once again 41 00:03:14.759 --> 00:03:20.080 from the vice President of the Mary Farrell Foundation, Jefferson Morley, again author 42 00:03:20.120 --> 00:03:22.560 of many, many books. Go check them out. I'll give you some 43 00:03:22.639 --> 00:03:27.000 links in the show notes. Mister Morley. First off, how you doing 44 00:03:27.000 --> 00:03:30.719 tonight. I'm good, Chuck, Thanks for having me. Really happy to 45 00:03:30.759 --> 00:03:35.080 have you here because I want to get it straight from the horse's mouth, 46 00:03:35.159 --> 00:03:37.800 and no offense, mister Morley. But in that case, you are a 47 00:03:37.840 --> 00:03:44.680 horse, because you're a workhorse here when it comes to getting documentation out getting 48 00:03:44.719 --> 00:03:49.080 information out there, not just your own written work, but your work with 49 00:03:49.199 --> 00:03:54.400 the Mary Farrell Foundation. So what is happening currently with the Biden vi the 50 00:03:54.439 --> 00:03:59.599 Mary Farrell Foundation, or maybe it's the other way around in the legal case. 51 00:04:00.719 --> 00:04:04.560 So, on May twenty eighth, the Mary Farrell Foundation filed its latest 52 00:04:04.599 --> 00:04:14.120 brief in the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals in California seeking to overturn some rulings 53 00:04:14.159 --> 00:04:21.480 that the District Court Judge Richard Seaborg had issued in our case. So last 54 00:04:21.600 --> 00:04:30.480 year, Judge Seaboorg throughout several of our contentions that we made about the Biden 55 00:04:30.600 --> 00:04:39.279 administration's failure to enforce the JFK Records Act, and the judge kind of gave 56 00:04:39.399 --> 00:04:45.319 wide latitude, saying the president has the discretion to do whatever he wants with 57 00:04:45.560 --> 00:04:50.279 JFK records, And our argument was no. The JFK Records Act of nineteen 58 00:04:50.360 --> 00:04:57.639 ninety two was written very carefully to circumscribe the president's power and mandate that certain 59 00:04:57.720 --> 00:05:02.959 procedures had to be followed load when it came to the review and the release 60 00:05:03.160 --> 00:05:11.040 of records government records related to the assassination of JFK. So in this appeal, 61 00:05:11.680 --> 00:05:15.839 we took issue with the judge and we asked the appellate court, the 62 00:05:15.959 --> 00:05:24.800 higher court, to overturn the judge is ruling that President Biden was had the 63 00:05:24.879 --> 00:05:35.759 discretion to issue an executive order last June which basically turns over all questions about 64 00:05:36.120 --> 00:05:44.160 the release of JFK documents to the CIA and the NSSAY. And our contention 65 00:05:44.600 --> 00:05:50.399 is that that's not compliant with the law and that the judge, the lower 66 00:05:50.680 --> 00:05:57.600 the district court judge was wrong in ruling against us. So we're hoping that 67 00:05:57.680 --> 00:06:03.839 a three judge panel will review this matter and overturn what we think is the 68 00:06:03.879 --> 00:06:12.000 plain language of the law circumscribing the president's discretion when it comes to JFK assassination 69 00:06:12.120 --> 00:06:16.720 records. So, just to remind people listeners of the law in this case, 70 00:06:17.160 --> 00:06:24.639 the nineteen ninety two JFK Records Act said that all assassination related information and 71 00:06:24.720 --> 00:06:30.120 possession of the government should be released, and it's set a twenty five year 72 00:06:30.160 --> 00:06:36.240 sunset for that provision. So in twenty seventeen, all of the records that 73 00:06:36.279 --> 00:06:44.279 had been reviewed under that law were supposed to be released in full. That 74 00:06:44.319 --> 00:06:48.000 didn't happen in twenty seventeen under President Trump, it didn't happen in twenty twenty 75 00:06:48.000 --> 00:06:54.519 one or twenty twenty two under President Biden, and under Biden's executive order last 76 00:06:54.600 --> 00:06:59.879 June, it still didn't happen. And in fact, Biden turned over to 77 00:07:00.240 --> 00:07:05.560 the CIA and the NSA authority and the final decision over what of the last 78 00:07:05.639 --> 00:07:10.399 JFK records will be made public. Now people ask, well, how many 79 00:07:10.439 --> 00:07:16.680 records are still secret? You know, that's our best guess is that it's 80 00:07:16.720 --> 00:07:23.879 about thirty four hundred records. AFK records still contain the dection. But that 81 00:07:23.959 --> 00:07:29.279 thirty four hundred doesn't include JFK records which are known to exist, that are 82 00:07:29.319 --> 00:07:33.319 out there that the government has never acknowledged and has never put into the collection. 83 00:07:33.560 --> 00:07:38.079 So this is why we filed the losses, because we're trying to get 84 00:07:38.120 --> 00:07:42.079 the court to step in and say, you know, the government has to 85 00:07:42.240 --> 00:07:46.839 enforce the law in this case, which it clearly is not doing. If 86 00:07:46.680 --> 00:07:53.800 seven years after the legislative deadline, there's still thousands of JFK files out of 87 00:07:53.879 --> 00:07:59.399 public view, you know that's the laws not being enforced. The laws is 88 00:07:59.519 --> 00:08:01.680 defunct, really, right, So let me ask you a question here, 89 00:08:03.199 --> 00:08:07.079 because just to clarify what you were just saying, all right, and it 90 00:08:07.120 --> 00:08:11.199 may be forcing you to repeat what you just said a little bit, maybe 91 00:08:11.199 --> 00:08:15.360 a slightly different way, but let's just make this very clear. In ninety 92 00:08:15.439 --> 00:08:20.920 two, the law is passed, okay, So an executive office is created 93 00:08:20.600 --> 00:08:26.360 right within the executive branch of the government to determine the release of these records. 94 00:08:26.480 --> 00:08:28.360 Right. That doesn't mean that all of them got released, but they 95 00:08:28.399 --> 00:08:33.159 went through a very long process and even extended the life of the committee in 96 00:08:33.399 --> 00:08:39.240 order to determine what should be released. And then that sunset was set for 97 00:08:39.320 --> 00:08:43.639 twenty five years later, which turns out to be twenty seventeen. Many of 98 00:08:43.759 --> 00:08:46.559 us were waiting for twenty seventeen, not knowing who the president would be, 99 00:08:46.679 --> 00:08:50.639 not caring who the president would be, because this was a matter of law. 100 00:08:52.000 --> 00:08:56.639 Whatever was withheld in ninety two, ninety three, ninety four, whatever 101 00:08:56.759 --> 00:09:01.679 was going to be withheld should be released then, okay. Right, So 102 00:09:01.240 --> 00:09:05.039 Trump is in there and he kind of kicks the can down the road and 103 00:09:05.200 --> 00:09:09.399 pushes it a couple more years, gives them more time because an appeal was 104 00:09:09.440 --> 00:09:16.080 made to MN by various agencies right to hold off. So he kicks the 105 00:09:16.120 --> 00:09:20.159 can down the road, and we end up with President Biden. President Biden 106 00:09:20.240 --> 00:09:26.879 not only kicks the can down the road, but turns over through an executive 107 00:09:26.039 --> 00:09:33.879 order allegedly the power once again to determine what can and cannot be released back 108 00:09:33.919 --> 00:09:37.879 to the CIA, which the law in the first place, the spirit and 109 00:09:37.960 --> 00:09:41.080 the letter of the law seemed to me to do exactly the opposite. Take 110 00:09:41.120 --> 00:09:46.399 it out of their hands through a process and determine that these things should be 111 00:09:46.480 --> 00:09:48.799 released. Now, am I missing something here? No? No, No, 112 00:09:48.960 --> 00:09:54.960 that's exactly right, Chuck. Is the law was designed to force records 113 00:09:54.960 --> 00:09:58.519 that had not been you know, it was thirty years after the assassination. 114 00:09:58.720 --> 00:10:05.039 Most of the records related from the Morn Commission and the House Select Committee on 115 00:10:05.080 --> 00:10:11.080 Assassinations and the Church Committee, all the investigations of the JFK story. Ninety 116 00:10:11.120 --> 00:10:15.159 percent of those records were still secret thirty years later. And the reason was 117 00:10:15.759 --> 00:10:20.720 that these agencies, primarily CIA and FBI, but a lot of executive branch 118 00:10:20.759 --> 00:10:24.279 agencies had JFK material and they just said, we're not going to release it. 119 00:10:24.960 --> 00:10:28.399 So the law, the nineteen ninety two law, was a very strong 120 00:10:28.480 --> 00:10:31.320 law. It was a very good law. It was a common sensical law, 121 00:10:31.399 --> 00:10:37.200 which is, all information about this subject, the assassination of a president, 122 00:10:37.679 --> 00:10:41.240 should be made public. I mean, that's like, that's a no 123 00:10:41.519 --> 00:10:46.360 brainer. And that's why the law was passed unanimously by Congress in ninety two. 124 00:10:48.080 --> 00:10:50.120 Now, you know, and due to public pressure. Let's just make 125 00:10:50.159 --> 00:10:56.679 this clear too, due to public pressure. So now by the time twenty 126 00:10:56.720 --> 00:11:00.879 five years later came along, the public pressure was off, and both Trump 127 00:11:01.000 --> 00:11:07.000 and Biden just acquiesced to these CIA demands that we have to have more secrecy 128 00:11:07.039 --> 00:11:11.679 because of national security. Now, Chuck, I've read these records carefully. 129 00:11:11.799 --> 00:11:16.720 Okay, there may be in a few, very few handful of cases, 130 00:11:16.840 --> 00:11:22.279 there may be genuine, you know, current national security information that should not 131 00:11:22.360 --> 00:11:30.200 be made public, but not in three thousand documents. Okay. The overwhelming 132 00:11:30.320 --> 00:11:35.440 majority of these classification and redactions that we're still seeing in the JFKA records are 133 00:11:35.440 --> 00:11:43.200 not to hide any genuine national security information. They're to protect these agencies from 134 00:11:43.200 --> 00:11:50.600 embarrassment. It's that simple. The national security you know, rationalization is just 135 00:11:50.720 --> 00:11:56.720 that it's an excuse to hide things that you know are not in the interests 136 00:11:56.720 --> 00:12:01.399 of the CIA or the FBI. But to release that information would not harm 137 00:12:01.519 --> 00:12:05.879 national security. It would just inform the American people what was really going on. 138 00:12:07.480 --> 00:12:13.759 Right, But these agencies have the power to outlast presidents and get their 139 00:12:13.799 --> 00:12:20.159 way, And so you know, what we're trying to do through the Mary 140 00:12:20.159 --> 00:12:28.559 Farrell Foundation and through JFK Facts is force the courts to hold the executive branch 141 00:12:28.600 --> 00:12:33.519 accountable and say the plain meaning of the law that has to be administered by 142 00:12:33.600 --> 00:12:37.759 the president is that all JFK records should be made public as soon as possible, 143 00:12:39.120 --> 00:12:43.039 not indefinitely, not someday far in the future when the CIA decides it's 144 00:12:43.080 --> 00:12:48.759 okay with them. They all need to be released now. So that's what 145 00:12:50.639 --> 00:12:54.559 you know, that's what we're trying to do in court, and that's the 146 00:12:54.639 --> 00:13:00.600 message I'm conveying at JFK Facts on Substack, you know where we you report 147 00:13:00.639 --> 00:13:05.320 on this lawsuit and on new developments in the JFK case all the time. 148 00:13:07.159 --> 00:13:11.240 Is somebody has to establish accountability here, and that's what we're trying to do. 149 00:13:11.639 --> 00:13:16.200 That's you know, we're in court the judge has rejected some parts of 150 00:13:16.200 --> 00:13:20.879 our lawsuit, but other parts. I should say this, you know, 151 00:13:20.360 --> 00:13:26.360 while we are appealing certain aspects of the judges ruling, in other instances, 152 00:13:26.399 --> 00:13:31.320 the judge has said we can go to you know, to trial with the 153 00:13:31.360 --> 00:13:37.080 government on certain issues. So at the same time that we're appealing things that 154 00:13:37.120 --> 00:13:41.879 the judge opposed us on, we are also proceeding in court with discovery with 155 00:13:43.039 --> 00:13:48.320 the government to you know, find out more about the documents that have not 156 00:13:48.399 --> 00:13:54.000 been produced, the documents that have been destroyed, and really re established the 157 00:13:54.039 --> 00:14:01.759 accountability that was envisioned when Congress passed the JFK records. If you don't mind, 158 00:14:01.759 --> 00:14:05.759 I have a couple of live questions actually from UH from chat and also 159 00:14:05.840 --> 00:14:09.120 from Skype, UH, and I'll read them as they're written, if you 160 00:14:09.159 --> 00:14:15.919 don't mind. UH. But who does the National Archivist work for executive branch 161 00:14:16.080 --> 00:14:22.320 or legislative or both? Is the National Artivist is an executive branch agency. 162 00:14:22.480 --> 00:14:28.240 So the archivist is appointed by the president, and there's a new archivist who 163 00:14:28.320 --> 00:14:33.200 is appointed in the past year. So you know, this is a problem, 164 00:14:33.720 --> 00:14:41.519 is that the archivist really has no choice but to go along with presidential 165 00:14:41.600 --> 00:14:46.279 decisions and we have. You know, we support the National Archives because they 166 00:14:46.320 --> 00:14:50.440 are the source of our nation's history. They're the custodian and in general they 167 00:14:50.480 --> 00:14:56.639 do a good job. But if the President or the CIA says they want 168 00:14:56.799 --> 00:15:00.919 something to go a certain way. You know, the National Archives is a 169 00:15:00.960 --> 00:15:07.159 relatively small federal agency and they just don't have the cloud to make the stand 170 00:15:07.240 --> 00:15:11.159 up for the public interest and full disclosure. That's why we went to court. 171 00:15:11.840 --> 00:15:16.799 Another question that arrives to me on Skype, which is really interesting, 172 00:15:16.840 --> 00:15:20.279 and bear with me a moment, because this is a bit of a complex 173 00:15:20.320 --> 00:15:28.480 issue in my mind, what are the chances that the hold up on releasing 174 00:15:28.559 --> 00:15:33.799 documents is currently due to the fact that no one alive or active in the 175 00:15:33.919 --> 00:15:39.240 agencies at this point even fully understand what should be held as secret and what 176 00:15:39.360 --> 00:15:46.120 should not. In other words, have people already retired or died off that 177 00:15:46.240 --> 00:15:50.639 would have actually known the difference between what is safe to release and what is 178 00:15:50.679 --> 00:15:56.399 not. And this is part of the larger problem why they're being so resistant. 179 00:15:56.519 --> 00:16:00.360 That's exactly the way the question was written, I think I understand is 180 00:16:00.399 --> 00:16:04.519 meaning to you, Yes, you know, it's a fair question, but 181 00:16:04.639 --> 00:16:11.960 I think that you know, the CIA, it's obvious, but it's worth 182 00:16:11.960 --> 00:16:18.480 repeating, is an intelligence agency, so they have institutional memory. The people 183 00:16:18.480 --> 00:16:23.879 at the CIA who are controlling these documents, I believe, fully understand their 184 00:16:23.919 --> 00:16:30.279 importance. I don't think they're unaware or ignorant. I think that the knowledge 185 00:16:30.360 --> 00:16:34.960 of the importance of these documents has been handed down over the years through the 186 00:16:36.000 --> 00:16:41.399 CIA, So I don't While it is true that there are very few living 187 00:16:41.519 --> 00:16:45.559 people, in fact, no living people at the CIA who are around in 188 00:16:45.639 --> 00:16:51.200 nineteen sixty three, that doesn't mean that they don't understand the importance of these 189 00:16:51.240 --> 00:16:53.840 records. I would say, to the contrary, the fact that they are 190 00:16:55.000 --> 00:17:03.399 so determined to maintain secrecy over so many records for so long a period after 191 00:17:03.440 --> 00:17:07.200 the event itself, to me, indicates that, you know, they fear 192 00:17:07.319 --> 00:17:12.480 disclosure. They don't want to make this information public for some reason. And 193 00:17:14.640 --> 00:17:18.799 to me, the only reason that makes sense is after all this time, 194 00:17:18.279 --> 00:17:25.839 is that they fear embarrassment or damage to the CIA or the FBI or whatever 195 00:17:25.880 --> 00:17:30.319 it is. That's to me, that's the only explanation that makes sense. 196 00:17:30.759 --> 00:17:33.640 Okay, Look, and for live listeners, by all means, if you 197 00:17:33.680 --> 00:17:37.640 want to add in a couple of more questions. I don't want to barrage 198 00:17:37.880 --> 00:17:41.880 mister Morley with them, but if you have a few more that are relevant, 199 00:17:41.920 --> 00:17:45.400 by all means, go into the live chatroom at Ocelli dot com if 200 00:17:45.440 --> 00:17:48.079 you click on the listen live button. There's a chat room there, and 201 00:17:48.119 --> 00:17:51.720 you can even drop it in there anonymously if you like, not an issue 202 00:17:51.839 --> 00:17:56.160 any question that you have while I'm speaking with them. And I do have 203 00:17:56.200 --> 00:18:00.880 one more here, which is kind of directed at me because I reported something 204 00:18:00.920 --> 00:18:04.640 but mention your name when I reported it on the show a while back. 205 00:18:04.799 --> 00:18:10.599 So here's the thing before the last deadline. This is the way it's written. 206 00:18:10.880 --> 00:18:15.599 Before the last deadline. Chuck reported on something after being at a press 207 00:18:15.599 --> 00:18:21.079 conference that Jeff Held it calls you, Jeff. I guess he knows you. 208 00:18:21.839 --> 00:18:27.119 Anyway, the Jeff Held stating that there was a meeting with the CIA 209 00:18:27.400 --> 00:18:36.039 and mainstream news sources previous to the deadline date and release of some documentation. 210 00:18:37.240 --> 00:18:41.079 And I guess they're wanting to see if you would verify that or explain that. 211 00:18:41.240 --> 00:18:45.240 Yeah, please, yeah, let me let me say what the caller 212 00:18:45.319 --> 00:18:48.119 is talking about. And it's a good question. It's an important question. 213 00:18:48.240 --> 00:18:56.440 So what I reported in December twenty twenty two was that I held a press 214 00:18:56.480 --> 00:19:03.000 conference about latest revelations from the jaf K files and the impending Biden release. 215 00:19:03.640 --> 00:19:12.240 What the CIA did was they contacted four major Washington news organizations Washington Post, 216 00:19:12.319 --> 00:19:18.119 New York Times, CBS News, and NBC News, and they offered the 217 00:19:18.200 --> 00:19:26.759 reporters off the record briefings in which they presented their views about what I was 218 00:19:26.839 --> 00:19:33.519 saying. Okay, but not for attribution. This is the CIA's tactic is 219 00:19:33.000 --> 00:19:37.400 they tell the reporters, off the record, here's what you know, here's 220 00:19:37.400 --> 00:19:40.000 what's really going on, but you can't quote us. But if you want 221 00:19:40.039 --> 00:19:44.759 to use that information, So the reporters feel flattered, like, oh, 222 00:19:44.839 --> 00:19:48.799 you know, I'm talking to the CIA. I can't quote them, but 223 00:19:48.880 --> 00:19:52.920 I can count on the fact that their information is accurate or so this is 224 00:19:52.319 --> 00:19:59.400 what the CIA hopes to achieve, and this is how they get their views 225 00:19:59.440 --> 00:20:07.839 into major news organizations articles and reporting without having to be quoted by name or 226 00:20:07.240 --> 00:20:12.640 being held accountable for the claims that they are making. And so what happened 227 00:20:14.039 --> 00:20:22.880 in December twenty twenty two was the CIA was denying certain factual statements that I 228 00:20:23.039 --> 00:20:29.200 made, but only off the record, so I could never say I could 229 00:20:29.240 --> 00:20:33.839 never say, you know, if the Washington Post or the CBS News reported 230 00:20:33.880 --> 00:20:40.599 something and said according to the CIA, I couldn't respond and say, no, 231 00:20:40.720 --> 00:20:45.880 that's not true. They cleverly take themselves by not being allowing themselves to 232 00:20:45.920 --> 00:20:53.200 be quoted, they still get their perspective into the news reports without you even 233 00:20:53.279 --> 00:20:57.880 knowing that. It's like CIA approved information. So this is kind of the 234 00:20:57.920 --> 00:21:04.440 clever media streated ategy that they had for maintaining their own credibility. And I 235 00:21:04.599 --> 00:21:08.640 reported, you know, I tried to expose this because this is the way 236 00:21:08.680 --> 00:21:15.079 that they manipulate the press. Well, I was. I attended the zoom 237 00:21:15.359 --> 00:21:18.519 press conference that you did, right. And here's the thing. A couple 238 00:21:18.599 --> 00:21:23.599 of days previous to that news conference, I was given a heads up from 239 00:21:23.680 --> 00:21:27.559 somebody who I do not name, but I happen to know someone that works 240 00:21:27.720 --> 00:21:32.960 for CNN. And they didn't just give me their word. They gave me 241 00:21:33.000 --> 00:21:38.640 some other interesting evidence that they had been involved in a meeting that mostly focused 242 00:21:38.680 --> 00:21:45.279 on television producers of sorts. Okay, people that are involved in the production 243 00:21:45.359 --> 00:21:49.799 of television news and news programming. Let's call it and guess what. They 244 00:21:49.799 --> 00:21:55.079 had a meeting with TV people that the CIA conducted where they gave them the 245 00:21:55.119 --> 00:21:59.160 same kind of information exactly the same kind of thing you're talking about with the 246 00:21:59.279 --> 00:22:03.640 Washington Beeple. Well, they did this with the East Coast elements of a 247 00:22:03.680 --> 00:22:08.759 bunch of TV assets, let's call them. Okay, are you aware of 248 00:22:08.799 --> 00:22:12.599 that meeting? Have you ever heard of that? I have not. I 249 00:22:12.599 --> 00:22:18.319 mean, if somebody among your readers knows about that, please contact me at 250 00:22:18.559 --> 00:22:22.880 JFK Facts because that's the kind of thing we like to report on, is 251 00:22:23.400 --> 00:22:30.000 how does the CIA, you know, covertly intervene in public discussion to you 252 00:22:30.039 --> 00:22:36.200 know, get their point of view across and try and discredit other people who 253 00:22:36.240 --> 00:22:41.240 actually have factual information. So if if my friend who let's let's just say 254 00:22:41.599 --> 00:22:48.200 hypothetically worked with Don Lemon at one point, if if my friend who does 255 00:22:48.279 --> 00:22:52.799 listen to my show who did that, wanted to contact you, how would 256 00:22:52.839 --> 00:22:56.200 he get in touch with you? You can always get in touch with me. 257 00:22:56.279 --> 00:23:02.079 You can DM me on Twitter, Jefferson Morley. You can email me 258 00:23:02.519 --> 00:23:07.920 at Morley J M. O. R L E. Y J at gmail 259 00:23:07.000 --> 00:23:11.359 dot com. Okay, And you can always reach me through the through the 260 00:23:12.160 --> 00:23:15.920 about page on the website. Absolutely, and I'm going to give you guys 261 00:23:15.960 --> 00:23:22.839 links to the website and also to mister Morley's Twitter and a few other things 262 00:23:22.880 --> 00:23:26.119 in the show notes. And also I'm going to try and get that dropped 263 00:23:26.119 --> 00:23:30.079 into the chat room at o'chelly dot com. If you have information about this 264 00:23:32.079 --> 00:23:36.920 or other things that might revolve around these types of meetings, I think mister 265 00:23:36.960 --> 00:23:40.799 Morley would be very interested in hearing it and also is aware of how to 266 00:23:41.440 --> 00:23:47.359 protect a source as a journalist. Okay, so do that? What's that? 267 00:23:47.440 --> 00:23:49.920 I'm sorry, I do know how to do that. Yes, well, 268 00:23:51.079 --> 00:23:53.880 all inquiries will be held in complete confidence, right, so I wanted 269 00:23:53.920 --> 00:23:59.000 to just make that clear for listeners, okay, and we'll give you the 270 00:23:59.039 --> 00:24:02.799 links to that, like I said in the show notes. So as it 271 00:24:02.880 --> 00:24:06.640 stands right now, though this appeal is with the Ninth Circuit, do we 272 00:24:06.680 --> 00:24:10.960 have a date as to when it might be heard? Are there any particulars 273 00:24:11.400 --> 00:24:15.519 to further report that are more up to date, because quite honestly, until 274 00:24:15.559 --> 00:24:19.960 November again, I don't think we're going to see the major electronic media have 275 00:24:21.119 --> 00:24:25.799 anything to say, and who knows if they will say anything around the sixty 276 00:24:25.839 --> 00:24:30.119 first anniversary now of the assassination, but you know that some programming will be 277 00:24:30.160 --> 00:24:34.160 dedicated to it. Now. As to whether it's you know, the garbage 278 00:24:34.200 --> 00:24:38.359 of Hey, the Warrant Commission generally got it right, don't forget somehow or 279 00:24:38.400 --> 00:24:42.839 other, or you know whatever, Jerald Posner being dragged out once again, 280 00:24:42.880 --> 00:24:51.359 something like that. Outside of that, i'm goohead. So it's very hard 281 00:24:51.400 --> 00:24:56.279 to tell with the courts how long the appellate court will take to decide. 282 00:24:56.839 --> 00:25:02.240 You know, it could it could be It's very variable. It could be 283 00:25:02.279 --> 00:25:06.240 a few weeks, it could be a few months. So the lawyers basically 284 00:25:06.319 --> 00:25:10.799 told me, you know, just sit tight, It'll come when it comes. 285 00:25:10.880 --> 00:25:15.480 So we really don't know too much about that. What I will say 286 00:25:15.599 --> 00:25:22.000 is we are proceeding on the other parts of the court case, and I 287 00:25:22.079 --> 00:25:26.240 want people to there's one aspect of the case that I think really has a 288 00:25:26.279 --> 00:25:33.200 lot of potential for really telling us something very new, and that is we 289 00:25:33.240 --> 00:25:41.599 are investigating the destruction of secret Service records. In nineteen ninety five, I 290 00:25:41.680 --> 00:25:47.839 had Vince Palamara on my show. He's the Secret Service expert, and you 291 00:25:47.880 --> 00:25:52.880 know, this was a he agreed. This was a very egregious case of 292 00:25:52.960 --> 00:25:56.559 record destruction, and it happened relatively recently. It didn't happen sixty years ago. 293 00:25:56.599 --> 00:26:00.680 It happened only thirty years ago. But that doesn't mean that a lot 294 00:26:00.680 --> 00:26:07.279 of people involved, who were involved are still alive. And at JFK Facts 295 00:26:07.440 --> 00:26:12.480 we are. We've just finished an excellent series which I would recommend to all 296 00:26:14.079 --> 00:26:18.000 readers or potential leaders, called Trail of Destruction. And in the Trail of 297 00:26:18.039 --> 00:26:25.200 Destruction series, Chad Nagel, who's a staff writer for the site, documents 298 00:26:25.359 --> 00:26:33.799 twelve instances in which government agencies destroyed JFK files or information after the assassination. 299 00:26:33.559 --> 00:26:41.119 And the series really brings home to you the scope of how hard people were 300 00:26:41.839 --> 00:26:45.799 in the government were trying to hide what they knew about the events that led 301 00:26:45.839 --> 00:26:49.839 to the assassination. And this wasn't in one agency. This was in the 302 00:26:49.880 --> 00:26:56.119 White House, the CIA, the FBI, the Defense Intelligence Agency, Army 303 00:26:56.200 --> 00:27:03.519 Intelligence, the doctors did JFK's autopsy. The Trail of Destruction is really wide, 304 00:27:03.559 --> 00:27:10.640 and it's really impressive, and it goes to show you the links to 305 00:27:10.680 --> 00:27:19.240 which people went to hide the real story, and it underscores the importance of 306 00:27:19.319 --> 00:27:23.279 what we're doing now, which is to try and recover the real history, 307 00:27:25.039 --> 00:27:30.400 right because the effort to hide the real story is so systematic and it's been 308 00:27:30.519 --> 00:27:34.440 continuous. What's interesting here, by the way, if you go to jfkfax 309 00:27:34.680 --> 00:27:41.720 dot substack dot com Trail of Destruction, if you go and search that, 310 00:27:41.240 --> 00:27:44.640 I put a link for it in the live chat room and I'll include it 311 00:27:44.680 --> 00:27:48.519 in the show notes. I believe it's a multi part series you can follow 312 00:27:48.559 --> 00:27:53.400 on the substack. But also we covered on this show with Carmine Savastano the 313 00:27:53.480 --> 00:28:00.759 proof that the d IA okay an agency not often mentioned, guess what destroyed 314 00:28:00.839 --> 00:28:07.039 seemingly everything only within a few years of the assassinations. It was all gone 315 00:28:07.079 --> 00:28:11.960 by like nineteen seventy three or something. I think my memory doesn't serve me 316 00:28:11.079 --> 00:28:15.440 entirely. Well there, but do you have any comment about that? Yeah? 317 00:28:15.480 --> 00:28:22.079 No. In our series, one of the one of the one of 318 00:28:22.119 --> 00:28:27.880 the stories that we tell is that Chad Nagel tells is the story that Carmine 319 00:28:27.880 --> 00:28:36.160 tells about how the DIA destroyed all of its Oswald records by nineteen seventy two. 320 00:28:37.079 --> 00:28:40.920 So yeah, it's another instant. Yeah, sorry, I said seventy 321 00:28:40.920 --> 00:28:44.680 three, but by seventy two it was already destroyed. Yeah, okay, 322 00:28:44.880 --> 00:28:52.359 So and you know, and and and note that these are intelligence entities, 323 00:28:52.119 --> 00:28:57.640 so Army Intelligence, Defense Intelligence Agency, CIA, SDI. You know, 324 00:29:00.039 --> 00:29:06.960 they're destroying information about the accused assassin. I mean, there's only one possible 325 00:29:07.000 --> 00:29:11.559 inference you can make, which is that they had that they were hiding damaging 326 00:29:11.640 --> 00:29:15.279 information, although there would be no reason if the information wasn't damaging, why 327 00:29:15.279 --> 00:29:19.480 would you destroy it? You know, there would be no reason to destroy 328 00:29:19.559 --> 00:29:26.359 it. So that's that's what has happened, you know, consistently over the 329 00:29:26.440 --> 00:29:32.720 years. And that's why it's so important to establish the principle that the JFK 330 00:29:32.920 --> 00:29:38.799 Records Act established that all assassination related records should be preserved and made public, 331 00:29:40.279 --> 00:29:44.079 right right, Okay, So look, before I wind up letting you go, 332 00:29:44.119 --> 00:29:45.200 because I don't want to take up too much of your time, I 333 00:29:45.279 --> 00:29:49.400 know you're very busy, not not only with you know, podcasting and authoring 334 00:29:49.440 --> 00:29:53.680 books, and you got a lot going on. And I really hope that 335 00:29:53.680 --> 00:29:56.880 I'm going to run into you in Dallas in November, because I'm going to 336 00:29:56.920 --> 00:30:02.039 be there with the Lancer con Prince I. I. I hope that you'll 337 00:30:02.279 --> 00:30:06.880 somehow attend that as well, because every time I see you do a presentation, 338 00:30:07.039 --> 00:30:11.759 it's always valuable information, you know. Just really quickly, a couple 339 00:30:11.799 --> 00:30:18.640 of things. One is, I have a question uh from chat and they 340 00:30:18.680 --> 00:30:22.640 they also kind of dovetail with something I wanted to ask you about. So 341 00:30:22.359 --> 00:30:29.279 yeah, I'll start there. Let's see where is it now? Sorry I 342 00:30:29.319 --> 00:30:32.480 lost track of it for a second. You know, the blind guy, 343 00:30:32.680 --> 00:30:36.119 the blind guy operating stuff live. You know, what are you gonna do? 344 00:30:37.680 --> 00:30:41.880 Yes, just just one second, I'll get it. Uh, well, 345 00:30:41.160 --> 00:30:45.359 let me ask you this other question while I'm looking. You know, 346 00:30:45.400 --> 00:30:48.640 I brought this up to that, uh, you know, the the tail 347 00:30:48.759 --> 00:30:52.920 end, the final blow sort of to the to the Joe and Edes lawsuits. 348 00:30:55.799 --> 00:31:00.119 Somebody didn't believe me when I said that it was Brett Kavanaugh who ruled 349 00:31:00.119 --> 00:31:06.960 against you in that case and kind of put that to sleep. I wonder 350 00:31:06.960 --> 00:31:10.839 if you wouldn't mind commenting on that really quickly. First of all, is 351 00:31:10.839 --> 00:31:14.720 that true? That is that a true statement I made? And secondly about 352 00:31:14.759 --> 00:31:18.319 it? Go ahead, yeah, definitely. So just to recap the story, 353 00:31:18.319 --> 00:31:23.119 In two thousand and three, I sued the CIA for the records of 354 00:31:23.200 --> 00:31:30.640 a CIA officer named George joann Edes who worked in the Miami station in nineteen 355 00:31:30.680 --> 00:31:38.200 sixty three and who handled whose Cuban agents had contact with Lee Harvey Oswald before 356 00:31:38.240 --> 00:31:48.000 the assassination, and who generated propaganda about Oswald before and after Kennedy's assassination. 357 00:31:48.160 --> 00:31:56.400 So Joeann Eedes was a guy and operations officer who was very closely linked to 358 00:31:56.480 --> 00:32:01.960 the events that led to the assassination, Oswald's anti as a pro castro activist, 359 00:32:04.000 --> 00:32:07.920 Oswald's trips to Mexico City. Johannid's was a guy who was in a 360 00:32:07.960 --> 00:32:16.400 position to know all about this and his his His work for the CIA in 361 00:32:16.480 --> 00:32:22.200 nineteen sixty three was concealed from the War and Commission and from the House Select 362 00:32:22.279 --> 00:32:28.400 Committee on Assassinations and only emerged in the nineteen nineties when the JFK Review Board. 363 00:32:28.400 --> 00:32:31.519 He got a few documents. So after that I sued the CIA for 364 00:32:31.559 --> 00:32:37.519 the rest of his files in two thousand and four and then again in two 365 00:32:37.519 --> 00:32:43.920 thousand and eight. I was got favorable court rulings that compelled the CIA to 366 00:32:44.039 --> 00:32:51.640 release more information about this, so that loss was still going on in two 367 00:32:51.720 --> 00:32:59.519 thousand and seventeen, some fourteen years later after it had been filed, and 368 00:32:59.559 --> 00:33:05.720 it came up one last time for review by the DC Appellate Court, and 369 00:33:05.839 --> 00:33:10.400 there was a three judge panel. One of the judges was Brett Kavanaugh, 370 00:33:10.960 --> 00:33:15.640 one was a judge appointed by President Trump, and one was a judge appointed 371 00:33:15.640 --> 00:33:22.640 by President Reagan. And Kavanaugh and the Trump judge ruled against me. Karen 372 00:33:22.680 --> 00:33:30.359 Henderson, the judge appointed by President Reagan, issued a very vigorous defense dissent 373 00:33:30.519 --> 00:33:37.039 in my support of my case, saying that I was completely right and that 374 00:33:37.119 --> 00:33:40.759 the court should rule my favor. But Kavanaugh and the other judge ruled against 375 00:33:40.799 --> 00:33:46.119 me, and that effectively ended the litigation and made certain that we wouldn't get 376 00:33:46.160 --> 00:33:51.480 any more of it. And here's one more part of the story. Jug 377 00:33:51.599 --> 00:33:59.079 this is true. The day that Brett Kavanaugh issued that ruling was the day 378 00:33:59.759 --> 00:34:05.880 that President Trump appointed Brett Kavanaugh to the Supreme Court. Yes, the exact 379 00:34:05.880 --> 00:34:09.679 same day. Yes, So yeah, let me let me let me say 380 00:34:09.679 --> 00:34:15.679 one more thing about that. Earlier in the lawsuit, back in twenty eleven, 381 00:34:16.000 --> 00:34:21.800 one aspect of the case came up to the appellate court and Kavanaugh was 382 00:34:21.840 --> 00:34:25.880 on that free judge panel as well. And in that case, in that 383 00:34:27.039 --> 00:34:34.079 ruling, Kavanaugh said that I was right and that all these documents should have 384 00:34:34.119 --> 00:34:39.039 been made public. So Kavanaugh ruled in my favor once, But when it 385 00:34:39.079 --> 00:34:43.079 came up a second time and he was on the brink of going to the 386 00:34:43.119 --> 00:34:50.199 Supreme Court, he actually changed his mind. And he and and and and 387 00:34:50.320 --> 00:34:55.519 he and he turned his back on his own decision and found grounds to rule 388 00:34:55.559 --> 00:35:00.239 against me. And what that told me, Chuck, was that, you 389 00:35:00.280 --> 00:35:05.480 know, Brett Kavanaugh, when it was like, you know, he could 390 00:35:05.599 --> 00:35:08.519 weigh in on half of a journalist like me who had a good claim, 391 00:35:09.079 --> 00:35:13.679 you know, he would do it. But when you know, when everything 392 00:35:13.800 --> 00:35:16.920 was at stake, his life ambition to go to the Supreme Court, Brett 393 00:35:17.079 --> 00:35:22.800 Kavanaugh was not going to rule against the CIA at that point, you know, 394 00:35:22.239 --> 00:35:25.840 because that would have risked his you know, that would have risked too 395 00:35:25.920 --> 00:35:30.159 much, would have risked his life ambition. Yeah, during a time when 396 00:35:30.159 --> 00:35:37.239 he was under greater scrutiny, in other words, is when his opinion suddenly 397 00:35:37.360 --> 00:35:44.920 changed for a more favorable point of view to the Central Intelligence Agency. Just 398 00:35:45.000 --> 00:35:50.800 coincidental act, Okay, anybody recognized the tongue in cheek as I said that. 399 00:35:50.960 --> 00:35:54.360 Okay, so last last thing about this, just really quickly for a 400 00:35:54.440 --> 00:35:58.679 listener who might say, well, who the hell's George joan Edes anyway, 401 00:36:00.000 --> 00:36:06.519 point out something. When the HSCA was getting liaisons together to deal with different 402 00:36:06.519 --> 00:36:10.159 agencies, they were told, look, we don't want people that were involved 403 00:36:10.199 --> 00:36:15.320 in any way, shape or form with previous investigations or the case previously. 404 00:36:15.400 --> 00:36:22.480 We need fresh personnel to deal with this, right, and George Joanides had 405 00:36:22.760 --> 00:36:27.960 previous knowledge. Was clearly a guy, from what we can tell, who 406 00:36:27.960 --> 00:36:31.840 should have had plenty of knowledge on the case and should have been disqualified from 407 00:36:32.000 --> 00:36:37.159 being a liaison with the HSCA. Not only that, but you know, 408 00:36:37.280 --> 00:36:43.039 mister Blakey had contended for many years that that couldn't be true because that would 409 00:36:43.039 --> 00:36:46.679 have meant the CIA had lied to him directly, because he was supposed to 410 00:36:46.719 --> 00:36:53.719 be assured that these people had no prior connection to the case. Am I 411 00:36:53.880 --> 00:36:57.599 just pulling this out of thin air, mister Morlears, Oh no, no, 412 00:36:57.639 --> 00:37:02.360 that's exactly what happened when I when I, when I told the story 413 00:37:04.039 --> 00:37:08.480 of who Joan Edes was to Bob Blakey, he changed his mind and he 414 00:37:08.679 --> 00:37:15.559 recanted. Up until that point, he had said for twenty years that he 415 00:37:15.679 --> 00:37:20.519 felt that the CIA had cooperated with his investigation, and some people on his 416 00:37:20.679 --> 00:37:24.639 staff didn't like that and didn't think that was true, but Blakey insisted that 417 00:37:24.719 --> 00:37:30.599 it was when he heard the Jornid story that they had actually given him a 418 00:37:30.639 --> 00:37:36.360 liaison with a guy who was deeply implicated in the you know, in the 419 00:37:36.400 --> 00:37:42.519 CIA's knowledge of Oswald. He felt totally betrayed and understood that he had been 420 00:37:42.679 --> 00:37:46.760 duped in a very serious way by the CIA and by Joean Ede. So, 421 00:37:47.440 --> 00:37:52.400 you know, Blakey himself, the head of a congressional investigation into the 422 00:37:52.440 --> 00:37:59.920 assassination, changed his mind about the CIA's integrity around the assassination story, base 423 00:38:00.360 --> 00:38:05.920 solely on the Joanneedi story because clearly it had been deceived in their level of 424 00:38:05.960 --> 00:38:12.519 cooperation specifically regarding this case. So okay, now, last thing, and 425 00:38:12.599 --> 00:38:15.000 this does come from the listener, and this will be the last thing, 426 00:38:15.039 --> 00:38:16.039 and then I'll let you go because, like I said, I know you're 427 00:38:16.039 --> 00:38:21.000 busy, and I really appreciate you taking the time to update us and also 428 00:38:21.039 --> 00:38:25.280 fill in some gaps for people that had questions. Last thing is uh, 429 00:38:25.559 --> 00:38:29.679 and I'm going to preface this by saying that, you know, the public 430 00:38:29.719 --> 00:38:34.639 pressure that was placed on Congress in order to get that unanimous passing of the 431 00:38:34.960 --> 00:38:38.360 law. And it is a law, not some you know, it's not 432 00:38:38.480 --> 00:38:45.239 some policy change. It was a law. Okay, it's not optional, 433 00:38:45.320 --> 00:38:51.039 it's a law. So here's the thing. That law came about in huge 434 00:38:51.559 --> 00:38:55.400 response to public pressure that was placed. Not only now everybody points to the 435 00:38:55.519 --> 00:39:00.480 JFK film and that final slide that says, you know, the ha CAA 436 00:39:00.480 --> 00:39:02.960 records they're going to be withheld until twenty twenty nine, and people said, 437 00:39:02.960 --> 00:39:07.320 what this can't be okay, But that was part of the outrage. The 438 00:39:07.440 --> 00:39:12.000 other part of the outrage. And you know, full credit to people that 439 00:39:12.039 --> 00:39:14.599 were local to me at the time because I used to live in New Jersey 440 00:39:14.639 --> 00:39:17.519 and New York in that area. You know, people that were involved in 441 00:39:17.559 --> 00:39:22.639 my area, like Bill Kelly and people like that were out there trying to 442 00:39:22.639 --> 00:39:28.360 get these documents released. For years. There were people working constantly to put 443 00:39:28.360 --> 00:39:37.960 pressure on legislative representatives to get something done regarding these records and the release of 444 00:39:37.000 --> 00:39:42.800 them on a wide scale. And it was the release the documents or I 445 00:39:42.880 --> 00:39:45.039 forget what the phrases were, but there were buttons, There was a campaign. 446 00:39:45.559 --> 00:39:51.800 There was a lot of activity here even before Oliver Stone's film. Now, 447 00:39:51.800 --> 00:39:58.639 when you combine these two things together, it created a noticeable public pressure 448 00:39:58.920 --> 00:40:02.440 on Congress to pass this bill. Now, as you said in you know, 449 00:40:02.559 --> 00:40:07.480 the thirty years that have now gone by since then, we have a 450 00:40:07.519 --> 00:40:13.280 situation where the pressure is much lower. But at the time this was the 451 00:40:13.320 --> 00:40:15.480 pressure that made things work. Now, this goes along with the question from 452 00:40:15.480 --> 00:40:21.920 the listener, is there anything that we can do to assist in putting pressure 453 00:40:22.679 --> 00:40:29.360 on the executive branch or even the legislative branch to honor the spirit and letter 454 00:40:29.599 --> 00:40:34.800 of the JFK Records Collection Act. And that's exactly how they said it. 455 00:40:35.800 --> 00:40:37.880 What do you say you have to say about that? Here's the answer. 456 00:40:38.360 --> 00:40:45.719 Yes, And I urge people to follow JFK facts on substack, because there 457 00:40:45.800 --> 00:40:50.519 is an effort afoot on Capitol Hill to do something about the JFK Records Act, 458 00:40:51.039 --> 00:40:55.519 and we are prepared to support that if it's a strong, effective measure, 459 00:40:55.679 --> 00:41:02.800 and the signs are good stimistic about that. So what people can do 460 00:41:02.960 --> 00:41:09.000 is uh to support the effort, is is go to JFK backs and follow 461 00:41:09.079 --> 00:41:15.480 the story look for developments about an initiative on Capitol Hill where we will be 462 00:41:15.599 --> 00:41:20.880 lobbying, you know, for an effective measure to implement full JFK disclosure. 463 00:41:22.320 --> 00:41:29.039 Also, people can go to the Mary Feral website Maryferreal dot org and that's 464 00:41:29.639 --> 00:41:36.920 Mary Farrell is F E R R E L L Maryferreal dot org. And 465 00:41:37.039 --> 00:41:43.360 we have a page about the JFK lawsuit. People can educate themselves about the 466 00:41:43.400 --> 00:41:47.119 issues there and they if they want to support the legal effort financially, they 467 00:41:47.159 --> 00:41:55.119 can also donate. So there are avenues to support full JFK disclosure, both 468 00:41:55.199 --> 00:42:01.639 in court and in Congress. And you know, this is active and going 469 00:42:01.679 --> 00:42:08.000 on today. It's not you know, something that's gonna happen or something that 470 00:42:08.079 --> 00:42:12.239 happened long in the past. We are working on this every day. So 471 00:42:12.840 --> 00:42:15.519 people can help by going to those two websites. There you have it, 472 00:42:15.679 --> 00:42:21.440 and I will provide you guys with a link in the show notes to the 473 00:42:21.440 --> 00:42:25.519 website, the Mary Farrell page for you to get educated further. And also 474 00:42:27.039 --> 00:42:31.719 JFK fax the substack page. I'm gonna have multiple links to that, specifically 475 00:42:31.760 --> 00:42:37.199 the one about evidence destruction but I'll also add another and I've got one last 476 00:42:37.239 --> 00:42:42.079 question from the live chat room if you don't mind, and we'll leave it 477 00:42:42.119 --> 00:42:45.159 at this because this is specific to Joe and Edes. Since we brought it 478 00:42:45.280 --> 00:42:50.119 up, they now have there's still questions in my mind about all this, 479 00:42:50.199 --> 00:42:53.679 by the way, and obviously you too, Otherwise you wouldn't have continuously sought 480 00:42:54.000 --> 00:43:00.360 more records if all the questions were answered. Okay, anyway, let's see, 481 00:43:00.440 --> 00:43:04.639 Uh, he was running a CIA operation in the United States, Joe 482 00:43:04.639 --> 00:43:09.159 and Edes. Uh, I guess op babysitter. Isn't that illegal? Okay, 483 00:43:09.559 --> 00:43:13.920 this is the question the way it's written. Sorry, George was running 484 00:43:13.960 --> 00:43:20.639 a CIA operation in the United States op op babysitter. I don't know. 485 00:43:20.840 --> 00:43:27.559 But anyway, isn't that illegal? Question Mark? Yeah, it was. 486 00:43:27.840 --> 00:43:31.400 But at that time, the CIA just ignored the law that said they couldn't 487 00:43:31.440 --> 00:43:38.679 run operations on US soil. The justification was foreig nationals right, that that 488 00:43:40.119 --> 00:43:46.880 these operations were actually being conducted in Cuba, and so they weren't they weren't 489 00:43:47.159 --> 00:43:54.480 directed at Americans. I mean, it's a it's a nonsensical rationalization for a 490 00:43:54.519 --> 00:44:00.800 blatant violation of the law. Right well again, it was the far to 491 00:44:00.840 --> 00:44:05.159 me, I shorthanded by saying it's the foreign nationals justification, where it's we're 492 00:44:05.199 --> 00:44:09.159 running this against people that actually belong to a foreign state and the operation is 493 00:44:09.199 --> 00:44:14.320 against that foreign state. But you know, when you come back at them 494 00:44:14.320 --> 00:44:16.400 and say, well, yeah, but US soil is US soil? Okay, 495 00:44:17.159 --> 00:44:22.079 Uh, you don't get a good answer on this. This is just 496 00:44:22.159 --> 00:44:24.400 well that's the way that was, you know, no, right, and 497 00:44:24.440 --> 00:44:29.119 I mean, you know the fact is I mean and this is this is 498 00:44:29.199 --> 00:44:34.159 part and person of the JFK story. You know, the CIA enjoyed impunity 499 00:44:34.199 --> 00:44:37.239 from the law, and they were not They did not feel bound by the 500 00:44:37.360 --> 00:44:42.960 law, even when the law quite explicitly, you know, barred them from 501 00:44:43.119 --> 00:44:46.320 mounting operations on US soil. Right, they just didn't obey. And so 502 00:44:46.880 --> 00:44:52.039 you know, we're now we're left with how do we deal with the consequences 503 00:44:52.079 --> 00:44:57.280 of that impunity? And the only the only real practical solution is you know, 504 00:44:57.440 --> 00:45:00.400 full disclosure. We just need to know everything that hap happen. You 505 00:45:00.440 --> 00:45:05.159 know, we can't change the past. We can't make the CIA to obey 506 00:45:05.239 --> 00:45:07.719 the law in the past. All we can do is get all of the 507 00:45:07.800 --> 00:45:12.639 record, you know, so that the people know the full story of whatever 508 00:45:12.760 --> 00:45:16.039 happened. Right, we're there yet, And that's and that's the bottom line 509 00:45:16.119 --> 00:45:21.000 here, and that's the point of the whole thing and the reason why the 510 00:45:21.480 --> 00:45:25.719 JFK Records Collection Act needs to be honored. Okay, it's just that simple. 511 00:45:25.800 --> 00:45:29.800 It is the law of the land. It should not be uh, 512 00:45:29.960 --> 00:45:35.239 you know, basically overturned by executive order. This is not the way this 513 00:45:35.360 --> 00:45:37.159 is supposed to go. And that's what the lawsuit is about, in my 514 00:45:37.320 --> 00:45:42.320 mind, in layman's terms. So there you go. And once again I've 515 00:45:42.320 --> 00:45:45.320 been speaking with Jefferson Morley, who is the editor in chief of the JFK 516 00:45:46.280 --> 00:45:52.079 Facts website first of all, but also the sub stack. There's going to 517 00:45:52.119 --> 00:45:54.639 be links to both of those things, the vice president of the Mary Farrell 518 00:45:54.639 --> 00:46:00.760 Foundation, which there will be multiple links to Maryferrell dot org pages in the 519 00:46:00.800 --> 00:46:05.639 show notes. And thank you once again, mister Morley for taking the time 520 00:46:05.679 --> 00:46:10.320 with us today to update us on the current status of the lawsuit which is 521 00:46:10.360 --> 00:46:16.199 now sitting in the ninth Circuit in California. And hopefully we will see some 522 00:46:16.599 --> 00:46:22.320 results and some movement very very soon. And we're even going to provide you 523 00:46:22.360 --> 00:46:24.719 with, you know, a couple of links. Maybe we can all add 524 00:46:24.760 --> 00:46:29.360 a little more pressure and turn up the heat once again. I don't know 525 00:46:29.400 --> 00:46:31.440 if we're going to get the Oliver Stone slash, you know, release the 526 00:46:31.480 --> 00:46:36.639 records moment that we got in the nineties, but we could still do a 527 00:46:36.679 --> 00:46:40.360 hell of a lot better than what's being done right now. So let's get 528 00:46:40.360 --> 00:46:44.679 to it people, And that's what I say. So again, thanks so 529 00:46:44.760 --> 00:46:47.639 much, mister Morley. And what is the latest book that do you have 530 00:46:47.679 --> 00:46:53.039 a book about to come out or My latest book is called Scorpions Dance, 531 00:46:53.320 --> 00:47:00.360 and it's the story of the CIA and Watergate, right, so I think 532 00:47:00.440 --> 00:47:06.440 readers will be interested in that. It's really about this very complex relationship between 533 00:47:06.519 --> 00:47:15.039 President Richard Nixon and CIA Director Richard Hilms, which I show was really this 534 00:47:15.119 --> 00:47:20.480 relationship is what gave us the Watergate scandal. And for people who are interested 535 00:47:20.519 --> 00:47:28.199 in JFK, these two men were also very interested, secretly privately in the 536 00:47:28.280 --> 00:47:35.519 Kennedy assassination and its causes. So the JFK story actually influences is in the 537 00:47:35.559 --> 00:47:43.920 background of the story of Watergate and the fall of President Nixon. So for 538 00:47:45.079 --> 00:47:51.079 listeners who are interested in JFK, the CIA, Watergate, these types of 539 00:47:51.119 --> 00:47:55.760 subjects. My book Scorpions Dance came out in twenty twenty two. Will I 540 00:47:55.800 --> 00:48:04.639 think the revelation and incorporate the layatest information, the latest revelations and really shed 541 00:48:04.719 --> 00:48:08.280 new light on the Watergate scandal. We did talk about it on the show 542 00:48:08.280 --> 00:48:13.039 here when the book was new, and I have a copy behind me on 543 00:48:13.079 --> 00:48:15.639 my shelf. It's one of the things that, yes, indeed, I 544 00:48:15.639 --> 00:48:19.519 do retain on that shelf I talk about all the time. And it is 545 00:48:19.559 --> 00:48:22.760 an interesting, very interesting book, well written. Of course, it's well 546 00:48:22.800 --> 00:48:27.239 written. It's Jeff Jeff Morley's an excellent writer, but it's actually loaded with 547 00:48:27.320 --> 00:48:31.760 a lot of interesting information and some new information that I wasn't fully aware of. 548 00:48:32.039 --> 00:48:37.599 Maybe we can arrange for a short chat about it again before November comes 549 00:48:37.599 --> 00:48:42.760 around, because I certainly wouldn't mind touching on that subject again and talking about 550 00:48:42.840 --> 00:48:47.679 how the assassination continued to affect a lot of things even a decade later, 551 00:48:49.800 --> 00:48:52.599 you know, as all that was going down. So yeah, go ahead, 552 00:48:52.679 --> 00:48:58.480 sorry, I'd love to do that. Check it's a longer discussion that 553 00:48:58.760 --> 00:49:05.440 is worth know its own show. But yeah, how the JFK story continued 554 00:49:05.480 --> 00:49:12.119 to resonate and affect politics long after it had happened exactly. That's a that's 555 00:49:12.159 --> 00:49:15.480 a very interesting story. So yes, I'd love to come back on and 556 00:49:15.480 --> 00:49:17.920 talk about that sometimes. Well, let's try and arrange that before November. 557 00:49:17.960 --> 00:49:22.960 But until then, go to JFK Facts either JFK facts dot com the website, 558 00:49:23.079 --> 00:49:28.000 or you can go to the substack, which is uh, let's see, 559 00:49:28.000 --> 00:49:30.719 I think it's substack dot JFK facts. Let me let me double check 560 00:49:30.760 --> 00:49:36.159 that address real fast, good, go ahead, Sorry, it's jfkfacts dot 561 00:49:36.280 --> 00:49:39.719 substack dot com. That's it. There you go, JFK Facts one word 562 00:49:40.199 --> 00:49:45.880 dot substack dot com. And again, one of the specific links, I'm 563 00:49:45.880 --> 00:49:50.320 gonna give you a slash trail of destruction, the destroyed. Okay, that's 564 00:49:50.360 --> 00:49:53.000 the way the link comes up. 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