1 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:10,080 The countdown is on to Fight Time. This is Big Fight Weekend. No 2 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:15,039 here is your host? D J leaves Well, well, well, we 3 00:00:15,160 --> 00:00:19,800 get ready to have a preview edition of the pod that doesn't really have fights 4 00:00:19,839 --> 00:00:23,399 to preview. Per see, we're gonna get ray Oh. That doesn't mean 5 00:00:23,440 --> 00:00:26,039 that you don't want to be here though, on the Big Fight Weekend preview, 6 00:00:26,120 --> 00:00:30,039 because it doesn't matter whether we have fight cards or not. We have 7 00:00:30,199 --> 00:00:34,200 news. We have Raoul Marquees, the former junior middleweight world champ who's an 8 00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:39,640 analyst with Showtime. He's gonna be here because he was at the Canello Charlo 9 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:43,479 kickoff press conference in New York. Two press conferences for the price of one, 10 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:46,719 because they did a second one in California on Wednesday. Everybody to talking 11 00:00:46,719 --> 00:00:51,600 about all those things. But you could hear about birthday parties on this here 12 00:00:51,640 --> 00:00:56,359 podcast. You could hear about twins driving lessons. You could hear about half 13 00:00:56,479 --> 00:01:00,640 naked women in fighters hotel rooms while Rayfield is talking to a fighter about his 14 00:01:00,719 --> 00:01:03,959 cat. You never know, including the nostalgia, and that's why we're here 15 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:07,959 each and every week, even if we don't have to fight cards. I 16 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:11,000 am merely the somewhat competent host T J. Reeves, insider Dan Raypheel from 17 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:15,879 Big Fight Weekend dot Com and his fight for each Unite a substack. We 18 00:01:15,959 --> 00:01:18,359 do have plenty to discuss. How are you feeling as we head of the 19 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:22,280 weekend. It's the it's not really the last week of summer, but in 20 00:01:22,359 --> 00:01:26,239 our household anyway, it's the last weekend of the summer because we start fifth 21 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:30,040 grade on Monday. Good for the little man. I have no sympathy in 22 00:01:30,079 --> 00:01:34,359 that regard because we've been back in for like ten days now in Florida, 23 00:01:34,359 --> 00:01:36,959 in a lot of parts of the country, and you're going earlier, like 24 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:40,280 we talked about, than a lot of places, including north of you. 25 00:01:40,439 --> 00:01:45,040 They don't go to laughter Labor Day, so I can identify, I know. 26 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:49,760 But now that was in eighty days in the classroom. You only got 27 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:53,079 so many days on the calendar to get that jammed in if you're gonna not 28 00:01:53,159 --> 00:01:56,439 do year round school. So that's how it works. So good luck, 29 00:01:56,760 --> 00:01:59,439 good luck with a little guy having to have a bed time and a wake 30 00:01:59,519 --> 00:02:00,799 up time and all that. Good luck with all of that, because with 31 00:02:00,879 --> 00:02:05,560 teenage daughters in my household, well, listen, we have a we have 32 00:02:05,599 --> 00:02:07,799 a wake up time and a dead time in the summer too because of his 33 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:13,919 activities. So we're just got to switch here, no concept whatsoever. Uh 34 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:17,919 And it was rough last week when we went back. So anyway, thank 35 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:21,159 you for finding us, however you've done so, make sure that you rate 36 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:23,199 us in review us. We could be coming back around at some point here 37 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:27,759 to bribing you again, but right now we do appreciate the ratings and reviews. 38 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:30,039 Apple Podcasts, Google podcast, Spotify, wherever you can rate us and 39 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:34,159 review us. Keep doing that. We go into the weekend with the big 40 00:02:34,159 --> 00:02:36,800 Fight weekend preview. We come off the weekend, Hey, we got to 41 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:39,280 get creative with the fight Freaks Unite recap. Ray Fields already said to me, 42 00:02:39,319 --> 00:02:44,280 what exactly are we recapping off the weekend? There is a there is 43 00:02:44,319 --> 00:02:46,680 a matchroom card. What is the card in England? There's a matchroom card, 44 00:02:46,719 --> 00:02:50,960 and there's and there's another card as well. There's a couple of smaller 45 00:02:51,800 --> 00:02:54,039 well not in our continent. They're not they're not in our in our in 46 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:58,759 our wheelhouse. Well, there's a there's a there's they're just not the level 47 00:02:58,759 --> 00:03:00,599 of shows that we're going to spend a lot of time like dissecting at all. 48 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:06,280 So there actually are two The Zone events on Friday Night. One of 49 00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:10,759 them is the ot X card, which is prospect oriented. Headliner is Kurt 50 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:15,919 Scobie versus Narcisco Carmona, junior welterweights and I And the second card is the 51 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:23,319 second of the few cards that it's like a small series that they're doing monthly 52 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:29,199 that Jake Paul and his MDP Promotions did a deal with the ZWN also for 53 00:03:29,319 --> 00:03:32,840 again sort of prospect ish Friday night fights ish if you will. So their 54 00:03:32,879 --> 00:03:38,439 main event on Friday is a also a hunger welterweight fight between Nestor Bravo, 55 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:43,400 who's an up and coming fighter against the well traveled Will Madera, who they 56 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:46,599 claim as a prospect in their press announcements, but he's not really a prospect. 57 00:03:46,639 --> 00:03:49,319 He's been around for a long time. The one thing that doesn't make 58 00:03:49,319 --> 00:03:51,560 any sense to me, to be honest with the TJ, is the following. 59 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:54,439 So I like the fact that they're doing these types of shows in addition 60 00:03:54,479 --> 00:03:57,759 to the bigger shows. You need, you know, you need to have 61 00:03:58,120 --> 00:04:01,439 sort of that proving, that growing ground, that middle class sort of ground 62 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:04,400 to build guys up and let people know who they are. And that's all 63 00:04:04,439 --> 00:04:06,840 good, kind of like Friday Night fights used to do. Work like a 64 00:04:06,919 --> 00:04:11,800 showbox so so excellently. But for the life I mean, I can't figure 65 00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:15,520 out why the Zone would put two events that are in largely geared towards the 66 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:18,639 exact same kind of fan at the exact same time. I get the fact 67 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:26,160 that in college football conferences have different network deals and Major League Baseball is more 68 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:29,000 regionally, uh, you know, goes around as far as you know, 69 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:31,319 the games on different markets. So if you have the the you know, 70 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:35,399 the the MLB package, you can watch everything or you know, NFL games 71 00:04:35,399 --> 00:04:40,079 around the same time but for the same network, the same broadcast or the 72 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:44,319 same platform. But two cards that are virtually identical in the type of show 73 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:47,120 they are on at the same time or roughly the same time. I don't 74 00:04:47,199 --> 00:04:50,600 quite understand that. So but anyway, so they didn't ask us. But 75 00:04:50,639 --> 00:04:53,360 that's a good that's a good point that you make. It. By the 76 00:04:53,399 --> 00:04:56,160 way, the Bravo Madera fight is in Orlando, not far from me. 77 00:04:56,240 --> 00:04:58,800 But my problem is when you and I are done here, I'm headed to 78 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:03,319 New York for Buck Football for the NFL with the New York Jets without Aaron 79 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:08,920 Rodgers playing in the game. So I'll be at the metal Lands Saturday night 80 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:14,240 while this is unfolding. But itch, you know the London there's a London 81 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:17,399 card with Dennis McCann and I note Baluda if that's how you say at the 82 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:24,399 junior featherweights and galia Fi is fighting in Birmingham, England and a flyweight vout. 83 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:26,240 That's what I was going to mention to you. But so we got, 84 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:28,079 we got a little bit. We got a little bit this weekend, 85 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:30,079 but it's not anything noteworthy to really preview. Yeah, so I mean galalia 86 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:33,480 Fi and Tommy Frank is a flyweight fight that headlines this Matchroom card. But 87 00:05:33,560 --> 00:05:36,879 match Room has that series that they call the Next Gen, which again is 88 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:41,839 their version of like a prospect oriented Joe and Yai is a top prospect. 89 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:45,879 He was a gold medalist in the twenty and twenty Olympics, but you know, 90 00:05:45,959 --> 00:05:47,560 he's only got a couple of fights under his belt so far. He 91 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:51,319 comes from a fighting family. His brothers were both or are both professional fighters. 92 00:05:51,839 --> 00:05:56,120 You know, his one brother, kaliphis the former world champion. Anyway, 93 00:05:56,480 --> 00:05:58,360 those are not the kind of shows that we're going to spend a lot 94 00:05:58,399 --> 00:06:00,959 of time dissecting here on the on the the Preview podcast, so we'll let 95 00:06:00,959 --> 00:06:04,040 the fans know those are happening. All three of them are on the Zone. 96 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:08,920 And the one you mentioned when they can in Blueta, that is a 97 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:12,240 BT sporter. I guess I think they're calling it TNT sport now in England, 98 00:06:12,399 --> 00:06:15,920 but not in America. Anyway, Let's get onto the news. That's 99 00:06:15,959 --> 00:06:20,480 right, Queensberry Promotions has that when they have renamed that cable channel Warner Discoveries 100 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:26,439 involved, and they've rebranded it like TNT in the in the American lexicon as 101 00:06:26,439 --> 00:06:30,839 a cable outlet or now a streaming service. It's TNT sport instead of bt 102 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:35,120 sport over in the UK. All right, with that, your thoughts on 103 00:06:35,199 --> 00:06:42,079 Canello and Charlo not once, but twice doubleheader and that was both New York 104 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:47,199 and in California for both of those, listen. I mean they went to 105 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:51,759 the news conference typical as they do with these major fights. They faced off. 106 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:55,360 That was good to see them. Anybody that watch will notice that, 107 00:06:55,480 --> 00:06:59,439 without question, Charlo is the bigger human being. He's taller, he's sticker, 108 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:01,720 you know, and this is the guy who's coming up two weight classes, 109 00:07:01,759 --> 00:07:04,279 which I never really thought was going to be that big of a stretch. 110 00:07:04,319 --> 00:07:09,000 And I say that because even though Cannello has been a top fighter both 111 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:11,560 at one hundred and seventy five and one hundred and sixty eight, you know, 112 00:07:11,639 --> 00:07:14,160 he spent a long, long period of his career at one hundred fifty 113 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:16,120 four pounds doing his thing, winning titles, and then became a middleweight. 114 00:07:17,199 --> 00:07:19,600 The size difference, if you didn't know that Charlotte was the young, dispeeded 115 00:07:19,639 --> 00:07:24,360 dream at adweight champion, you would never realize that there was some sort of 116 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:30,959 supposed massive size disparity between the two, and Charlotte is actually when you staying 117 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:34,000 him next to his twin brother, a Jamaal Charlotte, who's the WBC's middleweight 118 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:38,319 champion, he's a little bit smaller than his brother, so his brother is 119 00:07:38,319 --> 00:07:42,399 a big guy also relative to Canelo. You know, look, I'm excited 120 00:07:42,399 --> 00:07:44,680 for the fight number one, and we will talk about it a lot as 121 00:07:44,720 --> 00:07:48,199 the fight grows closer. In the September September thirtieth on Showtime pay per view, 122 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:51,399 also with our friends at ppeb dot com, at the Team Mobile arena. 123 00:07:53,279 --> 00:07:56,439 So it's an interesting matchup. And and I actually in terms of the 124 00:07:56,439 --> 00:07:59,040 news conferences, you know, it was not a lot There was not a 125 00:07:59,040 --> 00:08:01,720 lot of heat. Like I wrote a column in my Substack newsletter that was 126 00:08:01,759 --> 00:08:05,720 sort of the theme was, you know, they brought the love, not 127 00:08:05,839 --> 00:08:09,920 the heat, you know, and I get that they were acting respectful. 128 00:08:09,959 --> 00:08:15,240 Canello has always been the kind of guy who will act respectful and courteous towards 129 00:08:15,279 --> 00:08:18,199 his opponent unless you get in his face and start with him and then I'll 130 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:20,600 cut you down, like you know, Darth Vader and Obi Wan kenobi Uh 131 00:08:22,839 --> 00:08:24,720 and Charlo. But I listen, I kind of expected it to be some 132 00:08:24,959 --> 00:08:30,240 fireworks because Charlo, if you're familiar with him at all, just like his 133 00:08:30,319 --> 00:08:33,039 brother Frankly, it's got a hair trigger temper, doesn't take a lot of 134 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:37,080 shit, goes off at the drop of a dime. You know, has 135 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:39,039 a little bit of a swagger and a little bit an attitude, whether for 136 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:41,320 show where it's just part of the you know, it's part of his actual 137 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:46,600 personality whatever. He's always got something to say. So I was a little 138 00:08:46,639 --> 00:08:50,240 surprised where he came with the love and the respect, and you know, 139 00:08:50,399 --> 00:08:52,440 Canello and Eddie renosso his trainer and manager, their legends of the game. 140 00:08:52,519 --> 00:08:56,559 And you know he was on his best behavior. So I don't know if 141 00:08:56,600 --> 00:08:58,879 that was because maybe he's a little nervous. I don't know if that was 142 00:08:58,919 --> 00:09:01,320 because he doesn't want to poke the there and why why Ryle Canello up for 143 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:05,080 no reason? I mean, he saw what happened. Perhaps what happened when 144 00:09:05,639 --> 00:09:07,639 the last time Canelo was in a PBC event was back when he fought Kayla 145 00:09:07,679 --> 00:09:11,759 Plant and at the opening press conference got in his face and you know, 146 00:09:11,879 --> 00:09:15,879 he ended up walking away with a giant cut, bloody cut under his eye. 147 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:18,679 Thankfully didn't and didn't pact the fight. So the bottom line was Charlotte 148 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:22,720 and Canello were very respectful. They didn't trash talk each other at all. 149 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:28,799 And my perspective on it was this, I don't want to see the guys 150 00:09:28,039 --> 00:09:31,159 put hands on each other before the fight. You say that for the ring, 151 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:33,639 that's when you get paid. And I don't need them to curse each 152 00:09:33,639 --> 00:09:35,519 other out and call their mom's bad names and say terrible, vulgar things the 153 00:09:35,559 --> 00:09:41,320 way David Denebatis and Kayla Plant handled themselves building up to their fight, but 154 00:09:41,519 --> 00:09:43,240 I could do with it. I could do with me a little bit of 155 00:09:43,519 --> 00:09:46,679 humorous trash talk, a little bit of pump my chest and that sort of 156 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:50,000 thing. Find the way that Errol Spence and Terren Scrawford did. They were 157 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:54,559 very respectful through the entire promotion from day one through the post fight press cards. 158 00:09:54,879 --> 00:09:56,639 But they had their say about the fish fry and the big fish and 159 00:09:56,720 --> 00:10:01,320 this and that. I mean, you know, they certainly beat their chest 160 00:10:01,320 --> 00:10:03,840 a little bit. And so to me, there's like that happy medium. 161 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:05,960 I don't need the nonsense of the punches and the cursing and the vulgarities, 162 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:09,720 but I'd like a little more heat than than than there than there was at 163 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:13,639 the New York Cress. It was a little subdue, subdued for your life. 164 00:10:13,639 --> 00:10:20,600 It looked more like a board meeting bo b o a r D or 165 00:10:20,679 --> 00:10:24,159 b O r e D. You seem to be b O r e D 166 00:10:24,519 --> 00:10:28,039 with what looked like a bal A r D. And then the second press 167 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:33,080 comments on Wednesday that they had in Beverly Hills was maybe a little spicier, 168 00:10:33,279 --> 00:10:37,639 a little more to it, but it was it was a business. So 169 00:10:37,799 --> 00:10:41,960 hopefully the heat will pick up and I hope people recognize that that's a good 170 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:43,840 matchup. You got, you know, a huge star and Canelo. You 171 00:10:43,919 --> 00:10:50,000 got an outstanding fighter in Charlot who is also undisputed in his weight division. 172 00:10:50,519 --> 00:10:54,279 Again, it's not the greatest fighting they could have made. I mean, 173 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:56,960 I'm not knocking the fight. I like to fight. I'm going to fight. 174 00:10:56,960 --> 00:11:00,840 I actually made my flight reservation a couple of days ago. We will 175 00:11:00,879 --> 00:11:03,000 would have liked to see the Bena VID's fight instead, I think, but 176 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:05,159 I'm good with the Charlotte fight. The one thing I will say that was 177 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:09,200 interesting TJ. And I was glad that Brian Custer, who was the moderator 178 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:13,080 of the press event, you know, who was obviously the host of the 179 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:15,879 Showtime Championship Boxing events and will host a pay per view. You know, 180 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:18,639 Brian does an excellent job when he when he does some of the Q and 181 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:22,399 A of his own questions, not not other questions from other media members. 182 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:26,840 But he had read some stories and I had seen that there has been, 183 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:33,399 and this is widespread, some criticism of Canello and that he's not quote unquote 184 00:11:33,399 --> 00:11:35,200 he's not the guy he used to be, and that maybe he's on the 185 00:11:35,279 --> 00:11:37,919 down slide a little bit. Maybe he's a little bit in decline. He's 186 00:11:37,960 --> 00:11:39,759 only thirty three, but he's at a very long career term pro as a 187 00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:43,879 team. And just even though he beat Golovkin in the rematch, even though 188 00:11:43,919 --> 00:11:48,039 he beat John Ryder in their fight that took place earlier this year, prior 189 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:50,840 to that, he had lost the B ball. You know, he didn't 190 00:11:50,879 --> 00:11:54,240 really look sharp the way he had against Plant in any of those three fights. 191 00:11:54,120 --> 00:11:56,440 And uh, you know, so he asked them straight up, you 192 00:11:56,480 --> 00:12:00,240 know, are you on the decline essentially? And you know, I've you 193 00:12:00,279 --> 00:12:05,080 know, Canello didn't get mad about it, didn't you know, make defensive 194 00:12:05,399 --> 00:12:07,320 comments. He was like, look, number one, he's talked about his 195 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:09,879 you know, he didn't say it specifically, but he had a risk injury 196 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:13,440 that that has hampered him. He ended up having surgery that I'm sure impacted 197 00:12:13,519 --> 00:12:16,519 him in the last three fights to some degree. Says he's good now and 198 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:20,639 that he's glad that people underestimate him because it will just make the victory that 199 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:22,840 much sweeter. So that's definitely going to be a storyline going to the fight. 200 00:12:22,919 --> 00:12:26,480 What's Canello got left at his age and the and the wear and tear 201 00:12:26,559 --> 00:12:30,120 and the sixty fights or so in his career against you know, a still 202 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:33,279 prime Charlot who's also coming off an injury of his hand broken in two places, 203 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:37,080 as well as a what will be I guess about a fifteen month laoff. 204 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:41,320 So there's there's definitely stuff to talk about, but the press conferences itself, 205 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:45,480 we're not exactly the type of thing people are still gonna be talking about 206 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:48,679 next week, okay, but they went and had both. By the way, 207 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:50,360 you'll hear from Raoul Marquez, who was right there for the New York 208 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:56,240 press conferences as we made mention, and he has a long relationship with little 209 00:12:56,360 --> 00:13:00,679 Small Charlow's youth. Charlo's in the same gym with him in Houston. You'll 210 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:03,919 you want to hear that story. And Marques also relates to Jamil Charlow breaking 211 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:07,240 his hand and having to come back from that himself. So you're gonna find 212 00:13:07,279 --> 00:13:11,240 those comments fascinating. Before we get to the conversation I had with Ralph Marquees 213 00:13:11,279 --> 00:13:16,320 of short time, you have reported two of the undercard fights are set for 214 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:18,799 this I don't know if they officially got announced yet, you would know that, 215 00:13:20,039 --> 00:13:22,039 but you were reporting it earlier in the week, go ahead and give 216 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:24,639 the peeps the details here on the preview pot right, So neither of the 217 00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:28,480 fights have actually been formally announced, but it's it's shaping up like what should 218 00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:33,919 be maybe not the biggest names, but two entertaining fights that will probably be 219 00:13:33,759 --> 00:13:35,679 good when the bell rings, and which is really all I can ask. 220 00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:39,000 I would have liked to see some other higher profile stuff on the card, 221 00:13:39,039 --> 00:13:41,679 but I can't really complain about this. The co feature, I think is 222 00:13:41,679 --> 00:13:46,639 a terrific fight. It's Hazers Ramos Junior, the junior Middleway who remember was 223 00:13:46,679 --> 00:13:50,840 supposed to be in the co feature on the Spence card against Crawford and that 224 00:13:52,279 --> 00:13:54,440 because he hurt his hand, they had to rejigger this, you know, 225 00:13:54,559 --> 00:13:58,559 the fights, and he got sidelined because of that. He was on the 226 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:01,159 plant then Avidia's card in the co feature anyway, so they're bringing him onto 227 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:03,960 this by the way that you know that PBC has got a lot of eye 228 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:07,519 hopes for this guy. They keep putting him in co feature of these big 229 00:14:07,559 --> 00:14:09,879 pay per view fights. So that's the number one. He's only twenty two 230 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:13,960 years old, he's undefeated twenty no with sixteen knockouts, just a tremendous prospect. 231 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:18,240 I had him on my prospect list at the end of twenty twenty two. 232 00:14:18,240 --> 00:14:22,559 Anyway, he's taken on Ericson Lubin and Ericson Lubin is a guy that 233 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:24,840 will fight anybody, I mean, and he's a very good fighter himself. 234 00:14:24,879 --> 00:14:28,360 Also a former my former prospect that you're actually going back several years ago. 235 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:31,240 So Luban, you know, he's he's stopped this to a couple of times. 236 00:14:31,279 --> 00:14:35,639 He has a loss in a tremendous battle with Sebastian Fundora where he was 237 00:14:35,679 --> 00:14:39,200 stopped, but he's, you know, he's come back from that, and 238 00:14:39,559 --> 00:14:41,799 this is just this is just a good what we say, we'll call it 239 00:14:41,840 --> 00:14:45,519 a good scrap, you know what I mean, just a solid, a 240 00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:50,360 solid fight, and that that should be some some very good entertainment value. 241 00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:54,080 And and speaking of which Lubin and Fundora we should not forget, which was 242 00:14:54,159 --> 00:14:58,519 two fights ago for Lubin was a tremendous battle, had Fundora down and then 243 00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:01,879 Fundora eventually stopped him. So you talk about scraps. If we get anything 244 00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:05,879 like that from Lubin in response, that could be that this could be a 245 00:15:05,919 --> 00:15:09,679 really good fight. Yea, Luban Fender was a bona fide, you know, 246 00:15:09,799 --> 00:15:11,919 fight of the Year candidate in twenty twenty two. He has won his 247 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:16,600 only fight since then, which was a very nice knockout against Luis Arias, 248 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:20,200 who was not a top level contender. He's now got four losses, but 249 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:22,559 he's only been stopped one time, and that was by by Ericson Lubin. 250 00:15:24,399 --> 00:15:26,080 So this is just you know, this is a good fight. When I 251 00:15:26,159 --> 00:15:30,879 when I posted about that on Twitter and wrote about it in my notebook on 252 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:33,360 my substack the other day, pretty much all the commentary from people was, 253 00:15:33,679 --> 00:15:35,320 oh, this is a good scrap, that's a good fight, Like I 254 00:15:35,399 --> 00:15:39,240 like that fight. In other words, boxing fans never agree on anything that 255 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:41,000 was seemingly one thing that they did all sort of, uh, you know, 256 00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:45,360 unanimously think like this is a quality fight. The other fight, again, 257 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:46,720 these haven't been announced yet, but that'll be coming probably in the in 258 00:15:46,799 --> 00:15:50,240 the in the you know, the next couple of weeks at least, another 259 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:56,480 middleweight fight between two up and comers, the undefeated twenty year old Elijah Garcia, 260 00:15:56,919 --> 00:15:58,360 who has you been making a name for himself. He's fifteen, oh, 261 00:15:58,399 --> 00:16:03,399 with twelve knock outs. And uh Armando Rozendez, who is not as 262 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:07,120 well known. He's fourteen one with ten knock guts, but he's fort a 263 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:11,360 very big win when he stopped Jared Hurd, who was coming back the former 264 00:16:11,440 --> 00:16:14,720 junior middweight unified champion, was you know, perceived as a pretty big upset 265 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:17,440 at the time. Uh and uh And Garcia, you know, he stopped 266 00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:22,600 the undefeated Emil clar Vidal. Uh and uh. You know it's it's just 267 00:16:22,039 --> 00:16:26,759 again another I take the back. Garcia was the one that stopped Emil car 268 00:16:26,919 --> 00:16:30,919 Vidal, but just a just a good just a good matchup. You know, 269 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:33,759 they're both coming off those wins. Him then Vidal Razendez obviously with the 270 00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:37,240 victory over Jared Hurd. Uh. And they're both young because the other guy's 271 00:16:37,240 --> 00:16:41,759 only twenty four years old. So these are the middleweight division is kind of 272 00:16:41,039 --> 00:16:45,000 to use your word, bereft at the moment of top top names. But 273 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:48,919 these are two guys that are on the upswing and one of them may be 274 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:52,159 able to step into the to the spotlight in one hundred and sixty pound division. 275 00:16:52,159 --> 00:16:52,759 They're going to have a chance to be in front of a lot of 276 00:16:52,799 --> 00:16:56,919 people because obviously a lot of people are gonna be watching this event. So 277 00:16:56,360 --> 00:16:59,519 two good undercard fights so far, and they'll be a third one that they'll 278 00:16:59,559 --> 00:17:02,080 add to the pew and then of course the rest of the fights. That 279 00:17:02,120 --> 00:17:04,200 thought I had you know, some for the probably the preliminary streaming fights all 280 00:17:04,279 --> 00:17:07,880 that, but so far, so good. We like all of that. 281 00:17:08,279 --> 00:17:15,559 Let's rock along here with more insight on the first of the Canelo Charlot press 282 00:17:15,599 --> 00:17:19,640 conferences and do that as we continue. As mentioned, I think the last 283 00:17:19,680 --> 00:17:25,680 time I was around this man was at the Parking GM lobby shortly after Terrence 284 00:17:25,759 --> 00:17:32,279 Crawford had just beaten up Errol Spence in the World Welterweight Showdown and Raoul Marquez 285 00:17:32,319 --> 00:17:33,720 stopped me in the in the lobby, and we have the same look on 286 00:17:33,839 --> 00:17:40,000 our faces. I think we're still stunned a month later at how Terrence Crawford 287 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:41,960 dominated that fight. It's good to have you back on the Big Fight Weekend 288 00:17:42,039 --> 00:17:45,359 podcast. Great to see you. I can see you right now while we 289 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:48,160 do the conversation, and let's let's just begin right there. Have we have 290 00:17:48,279 --> 00:17:52,839 we accepted the fact that Bud Crawford did that to Errol Spence. I think 291 00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:56,960 we do what a dominant amazing performance. Yeah, I agree. I think 292 00:17:56,079 --> 00:18:02,599 there's finally was a closure for me this past a couple of days because I 293 00:18:03,160 --> 00:18:06,440 you know, I've been trying to ask different people, you know, whatever 294 00:18:06,559 --> 00:18:11,559 information I could get because I am stunned, you know, the way Crawford 295 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:15,000 dominated Aero Spence. Look, and I don't want to take anything from Brett 296 00:18:15,039 --> 00:18:18,039 Crawford. He's a hell of a fighter. He's a great fighter, but 297 00:18:18,759 --> 00:18:23,079 I just didn't think he would wipe out Ero Spence that easy. I was 298 00:18:23,400 --> 00:18:27,720 with Derek James this past weekend, you know, since he's got Jamil Charlie 299 00:18:27,720 --> 00:18:32,160 who's gonna fight Canelo Alvarez. I was there for the big press conference, 300 00:18:32,839 --> 00:18:36,880 and it really comes down to man TJ. Comes down to what I've said 301 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:40,920 all along, Like it was a fifty fifty. I thought a Errow would 302 00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:44,319 pull it. But that day when he woke up, it just wasn't his 303 00:18:44,480 --> 00:18:48,400 day. It wasn't his day. That's what That's what Derek told me. 304 00:18:48,599 --> 00:18:51,799 Just he had a bad day, you know, and Crawford had a great 305 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:56,200 day. Again, not taking anything from him. He did great. He 306 00:18:56,359 --> 00:18:59,920 dominated him from the beginning. He's a hell of a fighter. He deserves 307 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:03,799 it. But you know, like just like everybody else was, you know, 308 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:07,960 we're stunted the way it happened. It was so easy. He made 309 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:11,119 it look so easy, made it look like sparn, like just another day 310 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:15,759 at the part at the office, no big deal for Terrence Crawford, and 311 00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:18,240 it was a fight he had been waiting on for years and boy didn't make 312 00:19:18,279 --> 00:19:22,039 the most of it. And it opens up everything, including potential rematch. 313 00:19:22,079 --> 00:19:26,839 And again, I love Raoul's inside as a former world champion at junior middleweight, 314 00:19:26,319 --> 00:19:30,480 so much to talk to him about. Okay, so you led me 315 00:19:30,599 --> 00:19:36,160 in perfectly. I'm checking out all the coverage from showtime and online of the 316 00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:41,680 first of the two press conferences Canello and Jamel Charlo on Tuesday. There's my 317 00:19:41,799 --> 00:19:45,880 man, Raoul Marquez right there with Brian Campbell talking to the fighters. So 318 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:49,319 they've kicked off the media tour for the September thirtieth showdown. You were right 319 00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:52,920 there, you spoke to both of them on the set with Brian. What 320 00:19:53,160 --> 00:19:56,359 was your impression of the kickoff? Let's start first with Canello? How'd he 321 00:19:56,400 --> 00:20:00,400 look to you? What did you think Vanello looked great? Man? He 322 00:20:00,559 --> 00:20:03,759 looked like he's in a zone. He looks like he's hungry. You know, 323 00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:07,359 he he realizes that maybe his last couple of fights, he hasn't looked 324 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:11,400 the best. You know. But sometimes a fighter, me being a fighter, 325 00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:17,039 you need some motivation like like this kind of motivation a guy like Jermail 326 00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:22,359 that is trying to you know, great history by moving up two weight divisions 327 00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:26,400 and taking away Canelo's titles. So I think I was very motivated, very 328 00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:30,680 respectful. There was a lot of respect towards each other. And you know, 329 00:20:32,079 --> 00:20:33,319 it seems like he's he's ready to go. He's in shape already. 330 00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:37,759 Jermail Charlo, as you mentioned, will have to jump up not one, 331 00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:41,480 but two weight classes. There were a lot of people observing this. They 332 00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:47,079 thought he looked bigger already even before training. What was your impression being around 333 00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:51,200 him and what about the challenge of moving up from one fifty four to one 334 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:53,000 sixty eight. I mean sometimes you move up a couple of weight classes, 335 00:20:53,079 --> 00:20:56,359 as you know, in the lower weight classes, yes, and it's like 336 00:20:56,480 --> 00:21:00,599 eight pounds, this is like fourteen pounds to the bigger weight class, a 337 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:03,400 bigger weight limit. What was your impression being around Jamal charlobout carrying away. 338 00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:07,839 Hey listened for Jamal it's you know, it's there to be great, you 339 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:11,079 know, and he's, uh, you gotta take risks. You gotta take 340 00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:15,359 risks in the sport, you know. And honestly, it's two weight classes. 341 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:18,920 I mean, it's a big challenge that many people have done it, 342 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:25,039 you know, Tommy Hearn's, Sugar Ray Leonard Roy Jones are the only ones 343 00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:27,160 that have done that being able to do that in the past. But if 344 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:32,720 you notice on the in the in the stair down the size difference, you 345 00:21:32,799 --> 00:21:37,240 know, it's not you really can't see it. I mean, Charlo Jamel 346 00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:40,279 is a tall guy. He's got the advantage with the height, the reach 347 00:21:40,799 --> 00:21:42,119 and he and I know this guy's you know, the twins. I know 348 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:45,839 them since they were little, when they were at the gym walking around working 349 00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:48,839 out. So I grew up with this guy's when I used to get trained 350 00:21:48,839 --> 00:21:52,839 by Ronnie Shields. And you know, the work ethic is unbelievable. You 351 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:56,079 know, they never won the big tournaments, but they always came back and 352 00:21:56,160 --> 00:22:00,680 they were always there working, trying to learn, trying to learn. And 353 00:22:00,799 --> 00:22:03,799 I think that's easy. It's easy to say now did you see something out 354 00:22:03,839 --> 00:22:08,079 of them as teenage years coming up that said to you, one or both 355 00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:11,200 of these guys can be big time fighters. Did you see it? Yes? 356 00:22:11,319 --> 00:22:15,000 Absolutely. I always say that because of their work ethic. You know, 357 00:22:15,079 --> 00:22:18,039 sometimes they didn't win the big tournaments, but they were there coming back. 358 00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:21,359 They were always there coming back for training to learn. They will sit 359 00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:25,920 there and watch me one das even Ivander Holyfield when running trading because they wanted 360 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:27,599 to learn and get better. And look at him now. But you know, 361 00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:32,319 getting back to Jamal, this is a hell of a challenge. It's 362 00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:36,200 not like when I was one fifty four and I moved to one sixty. 363 00:22:36,799 --> 00:22:40,799 You could see the size difference when I fought somebody like Arthur Abraham, even 364 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:45,880 Jovanni Lorenzo, And would you see him and Canelos up to each other. 365 00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:49,839 You really don't see any size difference. I look at it as Jamal being 366 00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:55,200 more like a one sixty pounder moving up to one sixty eight. He's been 367 00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:57,519 one fifty four. Like the past three years, he's fought once a year. 368 00:22:57,839 --> 00:23:02,279 When he fought Rosario in twenty twenty, he only had to make one 369 00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:07,079 fifty four one time, and then he fought, Uh, what's the other 370 00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:11,279 guy? Daniel? Both times Castagnol drawn, then Costigna a following year, 371 00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:15,400 So find once a year. You only made one fifty four once and that's 372 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:18,839 it. Trust me. He's not walking around at one fifty four. I 373 00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:21,480 know he walks around at least at one eight one eighty five. So he 374 00:23:22,039 --> 00:23:25,160 is naturally a big guy. So I look at him more like maybe a 375 00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:27,359 middleweight going up to super middleway. That's the way I look at this fight. 376 00:23:29,079 --> 00:23:30,559 Love this man's insight with us for a few more minutes on the Big 377 00:23:30,599 --> 00:23:33,920 Fight Weekend preview. Again, we don't have big time, blockbuster fights, 378 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:37,279 but I love Raoul Marquez's insight on all things with It's just one more. 379 00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:41,759 Did you ever he had a hand injury that he's trying to recover from, 380 00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:45,000 broken in two places the left hand, Jabel Charlo, Yeah, I don't 381 00:23:45,039 --> 00:23:48,559 know if you can relate a story in your own career where you had to 382 00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:52,079 come off a hand injury and what you have to go through psychologically, et 383 00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:55,839 cetera to be ready to as much less get in there with a future Hall 384 00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:59,000 of Fame fighter off a hand injury. Can you relate anything like that or 385 00:23:59,079 --> 00:24:02,680 what is your what is your absolutely him coming off the hand injury? Well, 386 00:24:02,759 --> 00:24:06,519 look, I mean nowadays with all the doctors and all the good things 387 00:24:06,599 --> 00:24:07,920 that all the therapies they could do. You know, I had I had 388 00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:12,640 hand surgery both of my hands. After I want to see the your boyd 389 00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:17,160 campus fight. I had handswurged because I had problems with both of my knuckles. 390 00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:18,640 I was off for eight months, you know. Then I came back 391 00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:22,000 on ESPN and I found a tough, really tough guy about the four is. 392 00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:26,279 But all of that is mental, you know, going through the rehab, 393 00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:30,079 you know, going through UH, you know in the gym, you 394 00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:33,519 know when you're punching UH. And I'm sure like he feels real confident now, 395 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:38,319 like how his hand is now to be four only he would be able 396 00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:41,799 to tell you what goes on in camp. But I'm sure mentally, I 397 00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:45,519 think he's gonna be ready because he's been out for a while too, being 398 00:24:45,559 --> 00:24:48,359 able to rest that hand and be ready to go. He talked about it. 399 00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:52,920 He has no problems, and that's that's that's very important when you're going 400 00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:56,799 into especially a big fight against Canelo Varas. No doubt, this is why 401 00:24:56,839 --> 00:25:00,559 we love the insight of this man and a couple more before we get you 402 00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:03,279 out of here. Oh, by the way, Geo marquees moving up the 403 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:07,799 ranks. Geo got a t KO win this past weekend. Dad in the 404 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:12,759 corner, I've joked with you about this before. Are you as still at 405 00:25:12,839 --> 00:25:17,400 this moment as anxious and as nervous with him getting in there because you can't 406 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:19,480 fight for him, you can't throw the punches. How is that going now 407 00:25:19,559 --> 00:25:23,240 that you're six fights in and it was very successful this past weekend. Well, 408 00:25:23,279 --> 00:25:26,279 you gotta realize it's my son, you know, it's how it's gonna 409 00:25:26,279 --> 00:25:27,400 be nerve breaking. But I know how hard he works in the gym. 410 00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:30,480 I know how hard we worked together. I know how hard we work on 411 00:25:30,599 --> 00:25:36,720 different things, different situations. And he rose to the top. Man. 412 00:25:36,839 --> 00:25:38,599 He did what he had to do. When you find on a platform like 413 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:42,920 that overtime boxing, which is a great platform. It was telebouts on the 414 00:25:44,039 --> 00:25:45,920 zone box, and we were very excited. I think, you know, 415 00:25:47,039 --> 00:25:51,319 Giovanni fought a hell of a fight. Man. He looked explosive. You 416 00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:53,720 know, he was good with his jab, his fast combinations from different angles. 417 00:25:55,079 --> 00:25:59,160 He dropped the nick give a tone in the first round. Towards the 418 00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:00,720 end of the first round, he probably could have finished them, but he 419 00:26:00,799 --> 00:26:03,640 didn't. You know, the bell saved him. But he came back in 420 00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:07,079 the second round and he right off the bat he didn't let the tone get 421 00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:10,559 his momentum. You know, we started off with the jab fast combinations and 422 00:26:10,599 --> 00:26:14,119 then you know, the referee stopped the fight, and I wonder, I 423 00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:18,640 love these kind of questions too. What does he do well right now that 424 00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:21,519 you're very impressed with and what does he need to get better at? Give 425 00:26:21,559 --> 00:26:23,440 me both six fights, but listen what I think he does very well. 426 00:26:23,559 --> 00:26:26,720 And you know people might not think it's you know, a lot of people 427 00:26:26,799 --> 00:26:32,400 not looked like it's that that important. Taking the pressure the you know, 428 00:26:32,519 --> 00:26:34,240 so every time Jobanni fights, you know, because he's my son, he 429 00:26:34,319 --> 00:26:37,240 gets a lot of exposure, he get a lot of tension, and you 430 00:26:37,279 --> 00:26:41,960 know, being on this platform, you know, he beat it on Showbox, 431 00:26:41,039 --> 00:26:45,519 on Showtime. You know, so every fight he fights, there's still 432 00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:48,160 people wanting to see. They want to check out. Let's see with Romer 433 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:52,400 because his son is about this fight got a lot of attention and I like 434 00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:56,759 the way he's so focused and relaxed. That's everything, because when you get 435 00:26:56,799 --> 00:27:00,960 a fighter that's real tense and tight and nervous, he's not gonna perform the 436 00:27:02,039 --> 00:27:06,200 same I'm telling you. And that's what makes Giovanni perform the way he does 437 00:27:06,279 --> 00:27:11,559 because he's so relaxed, so just like another day at the gym. And 438 00:27:11,839 --> 00:27:14,920 that has a lot to do also with me, because I talked to him. 439 00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:18,160 I try to put this in his head and stood this in his head. 440 00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:21,200 You know, feel yourself, you know, just have fun out there, 441 00:27:21,519 --> 00:27:23,240 you know, do your best. Be relaxed, don't load it up 442 00:27:23,279 --> 00:27:26,880 with every shot, change the speeds of your combination, put everything off. 443 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:30,680 You know, we're good off the jab. Just make him feel like at 444 00:27:30,759 --> 00:27:34,920 home and you know that he's loved, and of course he is, and 445 00:27:36,079 --> 00:27:40,200 that all that plays out. It's so important. Now, what does Jiovanni 446 00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:41,680 have to work out? There's little things, you know, sometimes when he's 447 00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:45,359 throwing his shots, you know, he might have the chin a little bit 448 00:27:45,599 --> 00:27:48,279 too up. Maybe work a little bit more on his defense. There's always 449 00:27:48,759 --> 00:27:52,079 room to grow, no matter what. He's going to be a world champion 450 00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:56,599 one day, and I'm still gonna be trying to improve with defense, with 451 00:27:56,799 --> 00:28:00,200 power, there's a lot of stuff. You could always be improving. You 452 00:28:00,319 --> 00:28:02,839 never you could never be too good at boxing. That's the way I look 453 00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:04,680 at it. This guy's a former world champion. He would know as he 454 00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:07,440 brings his son along. And one more on that. How do you weigh 455 00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:11,000 right now that you want to keep him active and you also want to be 456 00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:15,960 on a plan of a little better competition, increasing better competition. How do 457 00:28:17,039 --> 00:28:19,480 you weigh that in the matchmaking and in the early part of the process eight 458 00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:23,079 fight, ten fight, twelveth fight with where you want to be? Oh 459 00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:26,160 yeah, sooner or later. I mean, he's gonna you know, I 460 00:28:26,279 --> 00:28:30,200 think we've been matching Giovanni the right way. You know that some people expected 461 00:28:30,279 --> 00:28:32,759 this guy that he fought the last time to go to distance with Giovanni. 462 00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:34,839 He was pretty durable and Jovanni got him out of there. So that shows 463 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:38,319 you the level of fighter that he is. He's done much better. I 464 00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:42,559 think the way I look at it, the way i'd matched Silvanni. Whatever's 465 00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:45,559 next, you know, I look like to like to look at the opponents. 466 00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:49,559 Some guys might be really strong and powerful. Some guys might be slick 467 00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:53,319 and just awkward, and those guys that want to make you look bad and 468 00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:59,039 hold you. So we try to fight different styles. So whenever he fights 469 00:28:59,119 --> 00:29:02,240 the big challenge, he's you know, he's able to adapt to any kind 470 00:29:02,279 --> 00:29:06,240 of style. And I also based it. Look Giovanni sprawls with of course, 471 00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:11,240 Stevenson Shakour like the work that Giovanni gave him. So Chakur hired Giovanni 472 00:29:11,319 --> 00:29:12,799 for his of course last fight, so he was in camp with him for 473 00:29:12,799 --> 00:29:18,079 about a month in Vegas. He's part of Shocky Foster. He's part of 474 00:29:18,319 --> 00:29:21,240 a lot of guys, you know, even Alston Trout, you know, 475 00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:25,480 like who's older and a veteran and heavier. You know, he also coming 476 00:29:25,559 --> 00:29:26,680 up to me and telling me, man, you your sin is. He's 477 00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:30,880 pretty good. He's gonna be all right. He's part Devin Haney. We 478 00:29:30,039 --> 00:29:33,200 also got the respect for Bill Haney and his you know, his son. 479 00:29:33,559 --> 00:29:37,200 Hey, Giovanni's doing good, keep it up. So when Giovanni sprawls those 480 00:29:37,279 --> 00:29:42,359 kind of guys and you know, he does well. He hangs in there 481 00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:47,960 with only five amateur fights for six. That gives us hope. You know 482 00:29:48,039 --> 00:29:52,359 that that that's motivating, that's motivating. So we're we're excited I'm very excited, 483 00:29:52,799 --> 00:29:55,079 and you know, like I said, Giovanni, I think is very 484 00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:59,319 marketable. People like him. You know, the kid knows how to fight, 485 00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:02,599 he's smart, and he's Raal Marquez his son. I love it. 486 00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:08,039 I love it. Raoul Marquez the broadcaster. I'm still I'm loving it. 487 00:30:08,799 --> 00:30:12,440 You're part not only of the Spanish call a lot of the times on Showtime 488 00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:17,480 Boxing, but also the Showbox series. Yes, so Showbox is coming back 489 00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:22,000 in September, September fifteenth. This is San Antonio. These are junior featherweights 490 00:30:22,119 --> 00:30:26,200 Rafael PetroSA, Ramone Kardenias. The one thing we know about this series and 491 00:30:26,279 --> 00:30:30,359 you love being involved is a lot of the times Gordon Hall, the matchmaking. 492 00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:33,759 It's a fifty fifty fight in the main of so many times. I 493 00:30:33,839 --> 00:30:37,079 know you love it, hey man, This fight sometimes are better than the 494 00:30:37,079 --> 00:30:41,759 big fights because this guy's want to be where the big fights. They want 495 00:30:41,759 --> 00:30:42,880 to get to the big fights, and this guy's, like you said, 496 00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:47,640 it's fifty fifty fights. They're always exciting. They come to fight. There's 497 00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:51,440 gonna be knockdowns, there's gonna be blood, there's gonna be guys being hurt, 498 00:30:51,799 --> 00:30:53,759 because that's what people like to see. That's what we will pay to 499 00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:56,680 see, and that's what you're gonna see on Showbox. And don't forget we've 500 00:30:56,759 --> 00:31:02,559 had over I lost the but over maybe I think it's like over eighty now 501 00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:07,440 over two world champions, future world champions that went through Showbox. And that 502 00:31:07,519 --> 00:31:10,359 shows you what kind of series it is because they when they step in their 503 00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:15,079 ring, that's their opportunity to shine and show the boxing world. You know, 504 00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:18,799 other talents because they want, you know, a big time promoter or 505 00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:22,079 big time manager or a big time TV netwere to pick them up and take 506 00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:26,119 them, take them the right route. So this guy's man there, mano 507 00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:30,559 a mano macho. They go at it, they go at it. I 508 00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:33,200 love it. Listen. I could talk to you all afternoon, but I 509 00:31:33,319 --> 00:31:36,880 love doing this because you've been great with me before. You were at the 510 00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:41,160 Louis Baton store buying shoes when we do one of these, and I showed 511 00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:45,559 that to you in Vegas. And remember Raoul today is trying to do this 512 00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:48,359 interview while the plumber is coming to the Marquez house because they've got a plumbing 513 00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:52,279 problem. I hope it's not a flood. But Raoul's like listen, we 514 00:31:52,359 --> 00:31:55,519 gotta wrap this up really quick because I got the plumber coming. I am 515 00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:57,880 not going to stand away. I go out of town. I go out 516 00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:00,880 of town for a couple I've been I've been pretty busy, by the way. 517 00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:04,160 I've been on the road ever since I saw you. That I had 518 00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:07,319 Shoapbox, I had Giovanni's fight, Then I had a show in Washington, 519 00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:09,359 DC. That I had the press conference in New York. So I'm finally 520 00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:13,000 home. But I'm home, and you know when I when I leave, 521 00:32:13,119 --> 00:32:15,160 this stuff starts falling apart. Now I'm back in town. I gotta fix 522 00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:17,599 it. Now, you got to fix the plumbers. We're doing it. 523 00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:21,599 I gotta get back on later on too. When it gets closer to the 524 00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:23,759 Canelo Charlos, I could break it down. I'm ready to break it. 525 00:32:23,839 --> 00:32:28,119 We want the breakdown from you. I got a good breakdown. I gotta 526 00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:30,599 go breaways. Great to have you. You gave us great stuff today on 527 00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:34,119 the Big Fight Weekend UH Preview podcast. We look forward to having you. 528 00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:37,200 We look forward to Giovanni's next fight. Just real quick, how soon do 529 00:32:37,319 --> 00:32:39,160 you think he'll fight? Next month? Might it be October? I think 530 00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:45,240 we're looking at something in October. Possibly we'll know something very soon. All 531 00:32:45,319 --> 00:32:47,839 right, good on that Raoul Marks. Followment Raoul Marks ninety two because he 532 00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:53,400 was on that ninety two Olympic team. Find him on Showbox the series Showtime 533 00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:59,839 Boxing's coverage and including an esponol love it. Thank you always, good luck 534 00:32:59,839 --> 00:33:01,279 with everything, including the plumber. We'll do this again, Thank you, 535 00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:07,359 Raoul. All right man, thank you, love his insight, and again 536 00:33:07,559 --> 00:33:13,480 he will be part of that Canelo Charlo broadcast in Spanish also Showbox. Before 537 00:33:13,519 --> 00:33:15,680 that, as we were mentioning with Raoul Marquez and I thought it was some 538 00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:21,119 fascinating insight that he's been around the Charlo twins since they were little guys and 539 00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:24,279 through the youth. And he said the thing in that interview that impressed him 540 00:33:24,359 --> 00:33:29,000 was they would lose in tournaments and they would be back at the gym trying 541 00:33:29,039 --> 00:33:30,599 to get better. It didn't defeat them to go try to play another sport 542 00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:34,920 or go do something else. He saw some resiliency in both of them. 543 00:33:35,559 --> 00:33:38,720 And he agreed with you about Charlo being thick. He's in his words, 544 00:33:38,759 --> 00:33:42,640 he thinks he's walking around it like one eighty is what he looked like. 545 00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:47,920 To him one eighty or one eighty five. So that was what my whole 546 00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:52,279 thought. Who knows he would have to lose a lot. You're right to 547 00:33:52,319 --> 00:33:53,599 get down what is sixty eight if that's the case, to get down to 548 00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:55,720 that in a couple of months. If that is the case, So a 549 00:33:55,799 --> 00:34:01,119 lot. We've given you a lot on Kenello and Charlo. Let's get to 550 00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:06,319 the news, and you broke this story. Essentially, you found it out 551 00:34:06,359 --> 00:34:12,480 from multiple sources that the women's undisputed junior lightweight champion, Alicia Baumgarner, had 552 00:34:12,519 --> 00:34:19,119 tested positive for not just a banned substance, but essentially a serious performance enhancing 553 00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:24,880 steroid, among other things. Apparently, So obviously this is a controversy, 554 00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:29,360 and how much longer, depending on her appeal, will she hang on to 555 00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:32,719 her titles as she tested positive just days before her last fight. So give 556 00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:37,800 me, give me the latest, including what you have learned even since what 557 00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:42,360 you reported back on Wednesday. So my experience with this is that unless there's 558 00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:46,559 some massively mitigating circumstance, she will probably be stripped of her titles without question, 559 00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:51,519 probably be suspended in some former fashion. You know, it's unfortunate, 560 00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:54,599 it's just funny. Like that, when you break a story like that and 561 00:34:54,639 --> 00:34:58,360 then suddenly, like within a half an hour, they're putting out statements submitting 562 00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:01,920 it. Basically, Alicia put out her own statement and Naturum put out a 563 00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:07,599 statement, which is her promoter. So this was a This was not a 564 00:35:07,679 --> 00:35:10,480 VADA test. This was done by an outfit called Drug Free Sport, which 565 00:35:10,599 --> 00:35:15,719 is a company that Natchroom has contracted for some of its events. They have 566 00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:20,000 a little bit of a different protocol in terms of how they report results compared 567 00:35:20,039 --> 00:35:22,320 to VADA. Vada is more much more transparent from the standpoint, not that 568 00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:25,199 they call me up or other media members up or anything like that, but 569 00:35:25,519 --> 00:35:30,719 when you test positive a VOTA test, the promoter of the event gets a 570 00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:36,159 notification. Both fighter camps get a notification, the Association of Boxing Commissions gets 571 00:35:36,159 --> 00:35:42,000 a notification. Whatever the commission that's overseeing the event would get a notification. 572 00:35:42,039 --> 00:35:44,719 So if the fight was in like England for example, like we've seen happen, 573 00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:47,000 the British board would get it, the ABC would get in America. 574 00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:50,199 But let's say the fight was in New York, the Nework Commission would get 575 00:35:50,199 --> 00:35:54,199 a notification, and whatever commission's overseeing the fight in drugs free sport. My 576 00:35:54,360 --> 00:36:00,199 understanding is that just goes to the promoter and also to the to the camp 577 00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:05,159 of the fighter that tested positive, not even necessarily the camp of the fighter 578 00:36:05,199 --> 00:36:07,159 that didn't test positive. So that's one of the things I don't like about 579 00:36:07,199 --> 00:36:12,480 it. I also think they largely rely on your in testing as opposed to 580 00:36:12,559 --> 00:36:16,119 blood testing, which is Avada does both, but be that as amet she 581 00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:22,840 was. She had had her fight against the rematch with Christina Leonardo two, 582 00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:25,719 who she defeated to avenge the one loss that she had had early in her 583 00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:29,639 career. This was back in mid July in Detroit, a homecoming fight for 584 00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:32,719 Alicia, and people were asking because I had written the particulars of what the 585 00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:35,840 timeframe was, and I'm just looking her to make sure I have it right. 586 00:36:36,159 --> 00:36:39,880 So she won the bout on July fifteenth. She had submitted to the 587 00:36:40,119 --> 00:36:44,519 to the earin tests on July twelfth, so three days prior to the fight. 588 00:36:44,599 --> 00:36:45,199 So people are saying, well, why did they let her fight if 589 00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:47,599 she gave the drug tests on the twelfth. When I try to explain to 590 00:36:47,639 --> 00:36:51,440 people, if you're in a drug testing protocol, they're testing you regularly. 591 00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:55,119 Throughout with every few days ever, you know whatever. And so there's constantly 592 00:36:55,239 --> 00:37:00,199 tests being sent to a lab to be tested that you wouldn't necessarily get back 593 00:37:00,199 --> 00:37:04,320 in three days. They do take time to do the results on and so 594 00:37:04,599 --> 00:37:07,280 the situation there was it wasn't enough time to get that particular result back before 595 00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:09,960 the boxing matches. Okay, let me stop you on that point. I 596 00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:14,639 mean, I understand what you're saying, but this is twenty twenty three, 597 00:37:14,679 --> 00:37:16,559 and I'm gonna give you some personal experience money on this money. That's all. 598 00:37:16,599 --> 00:37:20,800 It's true, yes, true. And here's the other thing. What 599 00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:24,360 is the purpose of having a prefight drug test if you are not going to 600 00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:30,360 punish someone for whatever you found before they fight. I mean what she had 601 00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:36,519 because she had multiple other prefight drug tests don't so would she have had one 602 00:37:36,679 --> 00:37:40,119 that week or would it have maybe been a week had she had both? 603 00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:45,440 Both of the women had multiple. It's like a rolling situation. Then again, 604 00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:46,880 it's random, so you don't know exactly when. But and I'm making 605 00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:52,159 up the days, but she could have had a test on Sunday, another 606 00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:54,559 test on a Wednesday, and then another test on the din of the fight, 607 00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:58,719 and the Wednesday, result didn't come back and till till a couple of 608 00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:02,559 days ago. So now I did find it unusual that she gave the sample 609 00:38:02,599 --> 00:38:07,280 on July twelfth. It was sent to the Smartle Lab in South Jordan, 610 00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:09,559 Utah, which is a lab the test for It's one of the WATA accredited 611 00:38:09,639 --> 00:38:13,559 labs in the United States. They do all kinds of testing for all kinds 612 00:38:13,599 --> 00:38:16,320 of sports. Very busy obviously, but they didn't get it till July twenty 613 00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:20,440 one, so it took like, you know, eight or nine days to 614 00:38:20,559 --> 00:38:25,079 get from the collector to the Actually terrible, that's terrible. And now the 615 00:38:25,159 --> 00:38:29,519 other part of it was this. So so they got the sample on the 616 00:38:29,559 --> 00:38:32,159 twenty first, the results came back on the tenth. Now that's not unusual 617 00:38:32,199 --> 00:38:35,840 for it. They'd be ten days. It takes time unless you're gonna pay 618 00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:37,679 a premium, and they're not gonna pay for okay, so let me let 619 00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:40,440 me help, not just you, I'm saying to the audience, let me 620 00:38:40,519 --> 00:38:44,239 help in my own situation. I'm revealing this on the podcast, not just 621 00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:50,320 birthday parties and other things. So I see an interracronologist. I have an 622 00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:52,840 issue where I need to see an intercronologist, and the intercronologist wants to do 623 00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:55,679 blood work, and it's always on me that I got to get the blood 624 00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:59,440 work done the week before the appointment. Or guess what, Rayfield, they 625 00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:01,440 can cancel the appointment and charge me for the appointment. So I have to 626 00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:05,719 be responsible. As a mid fifties year old, I got to be responsible 627 00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:08,159 to get my blood work done. So in my case, they are testing 628 00:39:08,519 --> 00:39:14,800 testosterone levels exactly what we're talking about like this. So I went and got 629 00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:17,920 my blood test on a Wednesday morning at a local lab, at a reputable 630 00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:22,199 national lab, at seven o'clock in the morning. I will have you know 631 00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:31,199 that the next afternoon, roughly probably about thirty hours hold hold on. Thirty 632 00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:37,639 two hours later, am still going to finish? Thirty two hours later, 633 00:39:37,119 --> 00:39:42,320 they had my test toss. You know why because they were testing for one 634 00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:45,159 thing. No, no, no, no, they weren't incorrect. They 635 00:39:45,199 --> 00:39:49,039 were testing for multiple different types of testosterone and different things in my body. 636 00:39:49,079 --> 00:39:52,960 It's called three, it's called SAH, it's called different things. But it's 637 00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:55,440 all based on testosterone, is what they're testing for. Correct, But I 638 00:39:55,559 --> 00:40:00,159 was being tested for numerous other things and numerous other drugs and take drugs in 639 00:40:00,199 --> 00:40:04,199 my system. They're looking at the level of those drugs, all of it 640 00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:07,880 all on them saying to you in the present day, it should not take 641 00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:12,960 ten days to get to the lab. I'm not it's not on trial. 642 00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:16,079 It should not take a month to get the result. Which was ah, 643 00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:20,559 well, you said August the tenth. They were notified August the tenth after 644 00:40:20,639 --> 00:40:24,119 a July twelve test. That's virtually a month that they were notified of what 645 00:40:24,199 --> 00:40:29,360 the AST sample on the twenty first. From the twenty first to the tenth 646 00:40:29,559 --> 00:40:34,000 is not an exorbitant amount of time. Remember, they're testing for dozens and 647 00:40:34,119 --> 00:40:38,519 dozens of banned substances, narcotics, all kinds of different things in the blood. 648 00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:40,440 I mean, I'd rather, you know, in the in the urine 649 00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:46,119 sample, not just maybe maybe the union maybe the urine sample take takes longer 650 00:40:46,159 --> 00:40:50,320 than the blood sample in terms of that on being able to do all of 651 00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:52,199 those types of tenting about that, by the way, And I want to 652 00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:53,800 address this too, because a lot of people were, you know, and 653 00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:58,599 this was part of Alicia's own statement where she's trying to make her case why 654 00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:02,440 this is nonsense with it isn't nonsense because just because she says it doesn't make 655 00:41:02,519 --> 00:41:07,239 it true. Just because you tested negative in a test a few days prior 656 00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:13,000 to your positive, you tested positive, and then after that on the night 657 00:41:13,039 --> 00:41:16,000 of the fight, I guess she tested negative. So I mean a negative, 658 00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:22,400 a positive, a negative. The negative does not negate the fact that 659 00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:24,840 you had a positive in there because the CIST, the substance that she used, 660 00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:30,119 could have been fleshed from the system between the two tests. That's the 661 00:41:30,199 --> 00:41:34,960 whole point of it is you're trying to I'm not again, I'm not saying 662 00:41:35,039 --> 00:41:37,639 she tried to do this. I'm not making that inference. I'm just making 663 00:41:37,679 --> 00:41:42,119 the point that it is conceivable for Alicia bomb Gunner, any athlete to go 664 00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:46,079 through a testing program have negative tests come on either side of a positive test, 665 00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:51,239 but it doesn't mean that you didn't take something or have something that caused 666 00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:53,320 and triggered. The one other important point, and you know this, is 667 00:41:53,559 --> 00:41:58,320 they began to not only have a prefight test, but have an immediate post 668 00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:00,360 fight test, because a lot of times we take the prefight test and then 669 00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:05,320 think I'm free and clear and take something else in the hours or the days 670 00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:07,840 before the fight. Uh, and so that's why you have post fight tests 671 00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:10,880 as well. Has got some splaining to do. She's got some big time 672 00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:15,480 out about it. I mean, uh, whatever, the this is a 673 00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:20,159 this is a muscle building steroid. Period, It's what it is. It's 674 00:42:20,199 --> 00:42:22,519 a muscle building steroid. I am very familiar with a lot of these things, 675 00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:28,679 and that's exactly what this is. And if she's got significant level enough 676 00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:31,199 to flunk a drug test, and that means and it's what's unfortunate about it 677 00:42:31,199 --> 00:42:35,719 is that, unlike our society where theoretically you're you're innocent up proven guilty, 678 00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:39,280 in the world of drug testing and then combat sports in particular, because of 679 00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:43,519 what's happened over all these years of their being positive tests, as you are 680 00:42:43,559 --> 00:42:46,920 guilty till you're proven innocent because the test typically doesn't lie. Again, is 681 00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:52,039 it possible that it's an accident. Is it possible that it was a mistake. 682 00:42:52,199 --> 00:42:55,840 Is it possible that it was contamination. Yeah, it's possible, But 683 00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:05,679 generally speaking, it's not an accident. It's not contamination. It's people either 684 00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:09,760 take it on purpose or they are given something and they're not aware of it, 685 00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:13,000 but it's somebody on their team that gives it them, but that does 686 00:43:13,159 --> 00:43:16,159 not change the responsibility. And we've talked about this before, but the concept 687 00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:22,400 of strict liability. You are responsible for what goes in your body. Period. 688 00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:25,400 It something comes up that's not supposed to be there, that is your 689 00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:30,400 problem, not anybody else's. So you know, I hope that she can 690 00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:34,559 come through this and explain it and and and it's not what it looks like. 691 00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:37,719 But if it walks like a duck and it quacks like a duck, 692 00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:42,239 you know it's usually a duck. So you know, I don't wish bad 693 00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:46,559 on her. She's been a very good fighter, obviously, but she got 694 00:43:46,679 --> 00:43:50,679 caught. We're gonna be blushed. She got caught, and she's gonna be 695 00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:53,599 tainted for this, for getting caught with it unless it certainly puts her undisputed 696 00:43:53,679 --> 00:43:59,719 championship accomplishment in doubt as the bottom line, And so you know, they'll 697 00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:01,440 go through the process. I'm always willing to keep an open mind about these 698 00:44:01,519 --> 00:44:07,079 things, and we'll see what the what the commission has to say and what 699 00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:08,840 comes of this. But you know, it's not a good look. Then 700 00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:10,920 it's unfortunately, you know, the thing I was thinking about, By the 701 00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:13,920 way, and I'm sure that it's not the only one, and I don't 702 00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:17,159 can't say I know every single positive drug testing situation that's ever happened, but 703 00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:20,599 it struck me that it was like the first time I could think of where 704 00:44:20,639 --> 00:44:25,239 a top level female boxer had tested positive for a banned substance that was this 705 00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:30,679 type of substance you know in a screen going into a into a significant fight 706 00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:32,840 for you know, a world championship. It's it's mostly the men. I 707 00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:37,199 mean, it's not that it's never women ever, but this was like maybe 708 00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:40,280 one of the highest profile ones I can think of that involved a female boxer. 709 00:44:42,199 --> 00:44:45,519 And it's not necessarily like a weight loss situation where you're trying to cut 710 00:44:45,599 --> 00:44:49,760 weight make a weight weight loss enhancing drug. Again, this is a muscle 711 00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:52,000 building steroid from everything I read about it. And I know a lot about 712 00:44:52,039 --> 00:44:55,360 this stuff from a lot of days of doing sports media and the stuff that 713 00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:59,840 I take and don't take from my own personal health. I know a lot 714 00:44:59,840 --> 00:45:00,840 of about that. I have to get you tested to do this show. 715 00:45:01,639 --> 00:45:05,599 The good news is neither one of us have to get tested. I should 716 00:45:05,639 --> 00:45:08,079 be tested as to why I keep sitting with you every Thursday night into Friday 717 00:45:08,079 --> 00:45:10,800 and every Sunday night in a Monday. Maybe that's at scan. I'm not 718 00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:15,199 just her, but anyway, I need an MRI. We certainly gave a 719 00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:19,400 lot of attention to that, and rightfully so, and we will wait for 720 00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:22,159 more of your reporting. And I want to think about that. By the 721 00:45:22,199 --> 00:45:24,480 way, Yeah, I reported on the on the band substance, which was 722 00:45:24,519 --> 00:45:29,559 mestro, a loan that she tested positive for. In her own statement that 723 00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:35,280 she put out, she actually said she tested positive for mestel and another steroid 724 00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:37,760 called neth and alone. So I didn't see. I got a copy and 725 00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:42,159 people can look at my Twitter if they want where I posted the paperwork. 726 00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:45,199 You know, people accuse me of like making shit up and whatever. I 727 00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:46,760 don't care about that, Like you shouldn't put it out because it's like a 728 00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:51,159 hippolo. I'm not down by hippolo because I'm not a doctor. I'm a 729 00:45:51,199 --> 00:45:53,159 third party journalist that was able to get a hold of something and you know, 730 00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:58,760 it's none of your business and I'm demonstrating that she tested positive. Here's 731 00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:00,039 how I know. Boom correct, I'm with you. But the thing is 732 00:46:00,119 --> 00:46:07,920 the letter that was sent to to their team was just about the mestrolne I 733 00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:10,400 don't have a copy of a letter that says she tested positive for men alone, 734 00:46:10,639 --> 00:46:14,360 but she said it in her own statement. So take that for what 735 00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:16,519 it's worth. Two of them. Yes, I get that. Okay, 736 00:46:16,639 --> 00:46:20,440 let's get to some fight news and then we've got some nostalgia, and then 737 00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:23,519 we are done. You've got some reporting and some things that you have found 738 00:46:23,599 --> 00:46:29,480 out. Interesting names. Let's begin with Zerdo Ramirez, former one hundred and 739 00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:32,320 sixty eight pound world champ. When last we saw him, Dmitri Beevil was 740 00:46:32,679 --> 00:46:38,039 beating him decisively in a light heavyweight title challenge. He will fight Joe Smith 741 00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:42,280 Junior, who again, when last we saw him, unless I have it 742 00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:46,400 wrong, Arthur better Be beat him badly and took his title off of him 743 00:46:46,559 --> 00:46:50,559 in a unification fight at light heavyweight. All right, what have you learned 744 00:46:50,599 --> 00:46:52,559 about these guys? They're getting together and when and what do we know? 745 00:46:53,199 --> 00:46:54,719 Yeah? So, I mean, like you said, they're both coming off 746 00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:59,079 one side of losses, one by decision, one by knockout. Of course, 747 00:46:59,159 --> 00:47:01,519 Zerdo was supposed to fight in March, but he was so dramatically over 748 00:47:01,559 --> 00:47:05,800 the one hundred seventy five pound weight limit by like almost eight pounds, and 749 00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:07,440 he never even came to the official weigh in and the fight was canceled and 750 00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:12,800 they ended up having to go forward with a much reduced event because they just 751 00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:17,199 put the undercard on. So I my sources have told me that they are 752 00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:21,440 in the process of finalizing this fight. That and it's a good matchup. 753 00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:22,440 I mean, even though they're coming off losses, that's fine. There's still 754 00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:24,880 two of the better fighters that have been light heavyweights over the last number of 755 00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:30,119 years. That day will do a fight. It'll be early October, you 756 00:47:30,159 --> 00:47:31,400 know, official date to be announced. They're gonna have a fight in a 757 00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:37,159 in Las Vegas. That's the site. And because Zero obviously is never gonna 758 00:47:37,159 --> 00:47:40,880 make light heavyweight again, whereas Joe Smith could still fight a light heavy if 759 00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:44,199 he wanted, part of the deal was it's going to be a catchweight, 760 00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:45,760 so it's not going to be at the full cruiserweight limit. But they're gonna 761 00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:49,400 do the fight, and this is one of the things they're still dickering around 762 00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:51,400 about. I don't think there's like a big argument about it. They're just 763 00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:54,440 having actually determined. But it'll be at a weight somewhere in the one nineties 764 00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:59,159 and that's really an accommodation to Zero, who was going to be moving up 765 00:47:59,199 --> 00:48:01,320 to cruiserweight at some point fully anyway. And for Joe Smith, who's the 766 00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:05,320 smaller, uh, you know, he's not really so much smaller based on 767 00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:07,280 the fact they both were light heavyweights for a long time, you know, 768 00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:09,840 because Zerno, remember one, is world title as a super middleweight, not 769 00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:14,119 as a light heavyweight the way that Joe Smith did. So the weight situations 770 00:48:14,159 --> 00:48:16,119 and accommodation for Zero, I had a lot of people like tweeting, why 771 00:48:16,119 --> 00:48:19,199 isn't it at one seventy five? Well, who cares? Not a title 772 00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:21,559 fight? One guy's moving up and wait, anyway, he's not going to 773 00:48:21,599 --> 00:48:23,639 even be at the full cruiserweight limit. So they're gonna have a nice matchup. 774 00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:27,639 It'll headline at his own Golden Boy card somewhere, you know, in 775 00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:30,320 the in the one hundred and nineties in terms of the weight, and the 776 00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:34,159 winner will obviously take a big step forward and the loser is gonna have some 777 00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:37,440 big problems because they'll have two losses in a row and you don't have to 778 00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:40,119 figure out what they're gonna do. But that that, you know, it's 779 00:48:40,199 --> 00:48:44,840 kind of like the uh, the Dmitri Bevo loser sweepstakes because they both got 780 00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:50,519 beat by Bevil. You know, uh, Zero getting basically shut out essentially 781 00:48:50,599 --> 00:48:52,760 in the in the fight that we just talked about. And then Joe Smith, 782 00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:54,559 you know a few years earlier, also lost the decision to people. 783 00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:59,280 I was actually at that fight in Turning Stone. Uh. He almost stopped 784 00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:00,480 a Bible late in the fight, but he couldn't get enough done in the 785 00:49:00,519 --> 00:49:05,679 twelfth round. But that was a solid matchup. So anyway, good fight 786 00:49:06,119 --> 00:49:07,360 if you ask me, I like the matchup should be a good, exciting 787 00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:15,079 fight. Continuing, you've also learned unification at middleweight involving Janna Beck and and 788 00:49:15,199 --> 00:49:20,559 basically the next week now that we're talking about this in October, October fourteenth, 789 00:49:20,679 --> 00:49:22,239 correct, tell me more. Yeah, So this is going to headline 790 00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:25,719 an ESPN event. It's going to take place in Texas. They haven't I 791 00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:30,320 haven't learned the exact venue yet. I don't think it's like that site signed 792 00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:31,360 yet, but it will be in Texas, which is kind of weird because 793 00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:38,079 jannabec Almacanooley is from Kazakhstan. He will be unifying. He's the WBO champion. 794 00:49:38,119 --> 00:49:44,519 He will fight the newly crowned IBF title holder from Germany named Vincenzo Gulatari, 795 00:49:44,599 --> 00:49:47,039 who was probably, for my money, maybe the most anonymous world titleder 796 00:49:47,079 --> 00:49:52,840 in the entire sport. Remember when Triple G vacated the WBA and the IBF 797 00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:58,639 titles they were to be fought for. Well, Aristonia Lar really was just 798 00:49:58,679 --> 00:50:01,559 elevated to the full WB from the regular champion, but the IBF belt was 799 00:50:01,639 --> 00:50:09,679 vacated. So uh this uh Gulatari fought against the top ranks undefeated Esteva Falco, 800 00:50:10,039 --> 00:50:14,280 that took place in July in Germany, and uh, you know, 801 00:50:14,559 --> 00:50:17,559 and he won the belt and so this will be his first defense. I 802 00:50:17,599 --> 00:50:21,480 mean, it's kind of like when there's nothing else going on in the weight 803 00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:22,679 class, what are you gonna do? You're always looking for what's the biggest 804 00:50:22,719 --> 00:50:25,360 money fighting, While this is not a mega money fight by any stretch of 805 00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:30,519 the imagination, in a in a weight class that's sold, to use your 806 00:50:30,559 --> 00:50:35,679 word, your favorite word, bereft of top guys, Uh, at least 807 00:50:35,719 --> 00:50:38,880 if they partial to devoid you like bereft, But devoid also works too. 808 00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:44,679 It's devoid, keep going devoid. So if these guys unify at least the 809 00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:47,800 winner will do something to help raise their profile, you know, because Gulatari 810 00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:52,400 has never fought outside of Germany. Uh Jannebec. You know, he's a 811 00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:55,239 good fighter, but he's not uh not does not have any particular fan base 812 00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:58,760 here in the United States, even though this is where he fights. So 813 00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:01,239 but you know what, as a as a top rank ESPN main event, 814 00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:04,800 I'm down for a unification fight. What the heck? Nothing wrong with that. 815 00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:07,159 So, you know, we'll see if they can unify their titles, 816 00:51:07,159 --> 00:51:12,119 and hopefully it'll be a good fight. And I watched the Gulitary Thalkal fight 817 00:51:12,199 --> 00:51:15,440 that's on. You know, it was made of help by the uh the 818 00:51:15,599 --> 00:51:20,719 German promoter on YouTube, and uh it wasn't like a barnburner, but it 819 00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:23,360 was certainly watchable. It was a pretty solid fight. So it is what 820 00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:25,199 it is, you know. And this is a year where we've seen, 821 00:51:25,199 --> 00:51:28,719 you know, the last couple of years, lots of unification fights on disputed 822 00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:30,480 fights, so uh, you know, this will be to unify two of 823 00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:35,960 those titles and we'll see what goes from there. Now I feel like I'm 824 00:51:36,039 --> 00:51:40,239 selling again the the Ginsu stake knives or whatever else that we wait, wait, 825 00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:44,599 now it's flexile that Jerry Seinfeld was joking about, right that he sees 826 00:51:44,639 --> 00:51:47,519 the flexile. How much would you pay now twenty ninety five? But wait, 827 00:51:47,599 --> 00:51:52,880 there's still more Rayfield news about October. You got you gotta tell the 828 00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:54,360 people why you're bringing up Seinfeld because we got to see him. We got 829 00:51:54,480 --> 00:52:00,079 to see him in Las Vegas, his show at Caesar's Palace, and he 830 00:52:00,159 --> 00:52:05,119 went on and on for about five minutes about flex Saul the great glue like 831 00:52:06,079 --> 00:52:09,519 tape and substance that helps seal everything up. And the infomercials and the commercials 832 00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:13,760 brilliant is always from Jerry. So that was one of the best parts of 833 00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:15,920 the whole week, was seeing I mean, look, I enjoyed being at 834 00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:19,039 Spence Crawford. I we're digressing here. I like being at the fight, 835 00:52:19,119 --> 00:52:21,760 of course, but you know, that's like a bucket list thing. Go 836 00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:25,760 see Jerry Seinfeld that Vegas and concert. I've never seen Jerry perform live. 837 00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:30,000 I've watched him. I watched on the show where you see the little segments 838 00:52:30,079 --> 00:52:32,719 or you've maybe seen a special right on TV that he was fantastic. He 839 00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:36,239 was tremendous and by the way, he's coming to Meyer. He's coming to 840 00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:38,679 Tampa for the one night only at the end of September. While we're doing 841 00:52:38,719 --> 00:52:42,679 schedule stuff, he's going all over the country. So Seinfeld maybe come into 842 00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:44,880 a city near you, peeps, check it out. But he was in 843 00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:46,519 Vegas when we were out there. But anyway, how much would you pay 844 00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:52,320 for the fight news for rayphel Uncovering fight Matchups nineteen ninety five. But wait, 845 00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:55,960 there's more the next week in October October twenty feet, you've got Alexis 846 00:52:57,119 --> 00:53:00,920 Rocha back in action. Tell me more about what you found out, because 847 00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:04,239 we've seen Rocha's last couple of fights was good as a welter weight A mean 848 00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:07,199 more, this is another good matchup. I mean again, not superstar names, 849 00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:12,079 not big world championships, but at least what should be a fun fight. 850 00:53:12,639 --> 00:53:15,000 Rocha, who's won a bunch of fights in a row since his one 851 00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:22,360 lost to Rashidi Ellis back a couple of years ago, back in twenty nineteen, 852 00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:25,440 I believe it was. Anyway, he's gonna take on the undefeated Giovanni 853 00:53:25,519 --> 00:53:30,119 Santion, who's like, what's the thirty one and zero? He's with top 854 00:53:30,199 --> 00:53:32,039 ranks, So this is things. Two good things. One a solid fight 855 00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:38,360 between two welterweight contenders, and two another example of the fact that that rival 856 00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:42,199 companies like Top Rank and Golden Boy, who get along pretty well these days, 857 00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:45,400 are able to make a fight together. Sometimes they put a Golden Boy 858 00:53:45,519 --> 00:53:49,079 fight. Top rank fighter goes on a Golden Way card, and there's been 859 00:53:49,119 --> 00:53:52,000 times when the Golden fighter goes on the Top Rank card. This is one 860 00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:54,199 of those times where the Top Rank fighter is going to go over and fight 861 00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:58,960 on a Golden Boy card. So it's ticketed for The data is supposed to 862 00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:01,280 be October twenty feet. Now, this was not anything that was like from 863 00:54:01,320 --> 00:54:06,119 anonymous sources. I spoke to Eric Gomez, who was the president of Golden 864 00:54:06,159 --> 00:54:08,039 Boy Promotions, who told me about this fight, and I confirmed it with 865 00:54:08,119 --> 00:54:12,800 the Top Rank people. So the data is supposed to be October twenty one, 866 00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:15,199 but that is pending them finalizing a site, which they do not have 867 00:54:15,679 --> 00:54:19,920 just yet. So the site is TBA. It's probably going to be the 868 00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:23,119 twenty first. And the interesting thing about this is Alexis Rocha, who is 869 00:54:23,199 --> 00:54:28,079 now twenty three and one, who's sitting there as the mandatory challenger for the 870 00:54:28,239 --> 00:54:31,400 WBO welterweight title held by Terrence Crawford as well as Crawford has all the other 871 00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:36,719 belts, but when they were making the fight between Crawford and Spence, he 872 00:54:37,159 --> 00:54:42,039 stood aside to allow the Spence Crawford fight to go forward to be for all 873 00:54:42,039 --> 00:54:45,000 of the belts, because he could have really pressed the issue and carried on 874 00:54:45,079 --> 00:54:47,760 about the mandatory and out of everything, but he was cool about it, 875 00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:51,920 and Golden Boy gets it. They're not looking to get Crawford stripped because A 876 00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:54,000 they would like a shot at Crawford if he stays around the way Glass because 877 00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:58,159 it's a lot of money, or B, you know, a more winnable 878 00:54:58,199 --> 00:55:00,920 fight. They'd be content if he had to go fight for title against somebody 879 00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:02,400 that's not as good as Crawford. So they're in a pretty good position. 880 00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:06,920 So he's going to risk that status against a guy that's thirty one and zero, 881 00:55:07,159 --> 00:55:12,480 but it's a good matchup. I mean, it seems to me that 882 00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:15,119 if you can't make these major world title fights for different reasons. Obviously in 883 00:55:15,159 --> 00:55:17,599 Wealight, one guy's got all the belts and you know, we're not sure 884 00:55:17,639 --> 00:55:22,239 what he's gonna do. Just get might as well make two contenders against each 885 00:55:22,239 --> 00:55:24,039 other, and that's what this is, hey, and again that would be 886 00:55:24,159 --> 00:55:27,880 Golden Boy in top rank trying to get together, as you made mention of. 887 00:55:28,239 --> 00:55:30,760 While we're on the subject, you know that Golden Boy is talking with 888 00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:35,519 Virgil Ortiz, who's been sidelined now a couple of times because of the blood 889 00:55:35,559 --> 00:55:37,599 disorder that he has. I'm still concerned. What do I know that this 890 00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:44,519 is career threatening. You're at least encouraged that they're talking to him right about 891 00:55:44,639 --> 00:55:46,880 returning. Nothing firm as of yet, though, While we're on the Golden 892 00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:51,760 Boy walterweight subject for Ortiz, right, So Virgil, as everybody knows, 893 00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:57,119 he had a withdraw from the fight against Danionist, the regular WBA welterweight champion. 894 00:55:57,199 --> 00:55:59,239 That was a fight that I think a lot of us we're looking forward 895 00:55:59,239 --> 00:56:00,559 to, supposed to take us on July eighth. It was actually the third 896 00:56:00,599 --> 00:56:05,519 time that the fight was postponed then canceled. One of the first one, 897 00:56:05,679 --> 00:56:08,320 remember, was when Standyonis had have the appendecked to me in the emergency situation. 898 00:56:08,639 --> 00:56:14,440 The next one was when Virgil was beset by his rob though blood disorder 899 00:56:14,559 --> 00:56:16,880 that caused him problems. And then the third one that happened a couple of 900 00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:21,960 days before they were supposed to fight, perhaps related to rob though but not 901 00:56:22,079 --> 00:56:25,760 specifically, but he fainted in the gym. The most people believe it was 902 00:56:25,840 --> 00:56:29,239 due to his trying to make the weight one hundred and forty seven pounds, 903 00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:30,559 but anyway, he ended up in the hospital and the fight got canceled. 904 00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:35,960 So Golden Boy is going to meet with Virgil and his team sometime this again 905 00:56:36,039 --> 00:56:37,719 what Eric told me when I spoke to him, sometime the next couple of 906 00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:42,280 weeks, to have a specific discussion about the particulars about his return, which 907 00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:45,320 they're planning to do in December. And at that conversation, you know, 908 00:56:45,480 --> 00:56:50,559 I'm sure they'll talk about potential opponents. They'll also solidify the fact that, 909 00:56:51,719 --> 00:56:53,199 even though it's not officially yet, I'm sure it will become officially. He's 910 00:56:53,199 --> 00:56:57,480 not going to fight at welterweight. This fight will be I'm sure junior middleweight. 911 00:56:57,480 --> 00:56:59,519 And that wouldn't shock me, to be honest with you, even if 912 00:56:59,519 --> 00:57:00,599 it was a little hired than that, just because it's not a championship fight 913 00:57:00,639 --> 00:57:04,480 or anything. If they did it at like one fifty five, one fifty 914 00:57:04,519 --> 00:57:07,639 six something, like that. But the good news is, as long as 915 00:57:07,719 --> 00:57:09,880 Virgil is healthy and by all accounts he's doing well and everything is good, 916 00:57:10,719 --> 00:57:13,679 we'll see him back in the ring, you know, one time before the 917 00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:16,320 end of this year, and hopefully a new weight class and he can get 918 00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:20,760 himself back on track because he's an outstanding young fighter and you'd hate to see 919 00:57:20,800 --> 00:57:22,400 it gets snuffed out before he gets the opportunity to fight for a world Tyler 920 00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:27,760 or have a bigger fight. One more news item than some Mike Tyson nostalgia 921 00:57:27,840 --> 00:57:30,559 before we are done, and that is and this is unfortunate. We're not 922 00:57:30,599 --> 00:57:32,800 going to revel in this. But it doesn't happen all the time. But 923 00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:38,199 Top Rank has cut loose some of their their fighters out of their stable because 924 00:57:38,199 --> 00:57:43,440 they haven't been performing or producing enough. I mean, that's just what happens, 925 00:57:43,679 --> 00:57:45,039 and every promoter this happens. So but it's uh, you know, 926 00:57:45,239 --> 00:57:47,760 everybody. Every now and then you got to kind of purge the roles because 927 00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:51,840 as you sign more fighters, you gotta gotta get rid of the ones that 928 00:57:51,840 --> 00:57:54,199 aren't performing, either in terms of wins losses, or or drawing or being 929 00:57:54,239 --> 00:57:58,239 a pain in the neck or whatever the case may be it ain't like baseball. 930 00:57:58,280 --> 00:58:00,679 We gotta guarantee contract or. You know, in the NFL they can 931 00:58:00,719 --> 00:58:02,440 catch you anytime, and in boxing most of the time promoters, if they 932 00:58:02,440 --> 00:58:06,480 so desire, they can cut you whenever. So Top Rank, based on 933 00:58:06,599 --> 00:58:09,000 recent results of fights that took place in July, they have released from my 934 00:58:09,119 --> 00:58:14,199 reporting the lightweight Carlos Beldaris, who's been a big disappointment. He was a 935 00:58:14,920 --> 00:58:17,400 Olympian, you know, he got he came in with a lot of hype. 936 00:58:17,679 --> 00:58:22,639 It was with Richard Schaeffer, suffered a loss in twenty nineteen, signed 937 00:58:22,679 --> 00:58:23,519 with Top Rank. They had high hopes for I'm a good looking kid, 938 00:58:23,639 --> 00:58:27,880 nice kid, you know, fun style, just never got to that level. 939 00:58:28,559 --> 00:58:30,519 You know. He won several fights in a row with Top Rank, 940 00:58:30,599 --> 00:58:32,599 five in a row actually, and then in a recent fight on July twenty 941 00:58:32,599 --> 00:58:37,719 eighth, the night before Spence Crawford on the Sinisa Strada undercard, you know, 942 00:58:37,840 --> 00:58:40,079 he lost and a guide that he had no business losing to. And 943 00:58:40,280 --> 00:58:45,920 here Albright, so he got the pink slip. And the other fighter that 944 00:58:45,039 --> 00:58:50,760 was on that same show, Xavier Martinez, he took on Andre's Cortez and 945 00:58:50,800 --> 00:58:52,679 that was a matchup that was sort of like a fifty fifties kind of fight 946 00:58:52,719 --> 00:58:55,679 where Top Rank had both guys and they just made the fight and Morten sure 947 00:58:55,719 --> 00:59:00,119 who was going to win, and Cortez stopped him in the round and they 948 00:59:00,199 --> 00:59:02,559 released him. Now, look, that was his second loss in a row 949 00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:06,239 in three fights he's had with Top Ranks, So I get that one. 950 00:59:06,559 --> 00:59:09,039 And then the other one was the heavyweight Stephan Shaw, who they co promoted 951 00:59:09,079 --> 00:59:14,039 with Loud Debella. He's still with de Bella, but he looked He's never 952 00:59:14,159 --> 00:59:17,199 really looked good in his recent fights. He got a six round knockout loss 953 00:59:17,239 --> 00:59:21,880 to Joseph Goodall back on July twenty second, and they were like, we're 954 00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:23,079 done with that. And Top Rank is, you know, very involved in 955 00:59:23,079 --> 00:59:27,639 the heavyweight division, as you know, with having recently signed Jolla Lave, 956 00:59:27,719 --> 00:59:30,719 the gold medal winner from the Olympics, and obviously they have Jared Anderson and 957 00:59:30,280 --> 00:59:36,119 Faa Jagba and you know several other heavyweights. Obviously they're the co promoter of 958 00:59:36,119 --> 00:59:40,760 the heavyweight champion Tyson Fury. But Shaw has been a disappointment big time, 959 00:59:40,840 --> 00:59:45,440 and that was just a terrible, terrible performance he had against Goodall. I 960 00:59:45,559 --> 00:59:47,800 think more more than just the loss. He didn't really look like he tried 961 00:59:47,840 --> 00:59:52,039 in that fight, and so he gets the pink slip also. So yeah, 962 00:59:52,400 --> 00:59:54,599 it's just it's part of the game. Unfortunately, Hopefully these guys will 963 00:59:54,599 --> 00:59:58,159 all, you know, be able to come back and hook up with other 964 00:59:58,159 --> 01:00:00,440 promoters in the case of Shaws with the Bell and you know, continue with 965 01:00:00,480 --> 01:00:04,880 their careers and reached the promised land. Just because you get released doesn't mean 966 01:00:04,920 --> 01:00:07,559 you can't go on to do big things. It happened plenty of times where 967 01:00:07,599 --> 01:00:10,440 guys get caught in, they find success elsewhere, go find another promotion, 968 01:00:10,559 --> 01:00:14,559 work hard to get back in there, a bit of nostalgia, and then 969 01:00:14,599 --> 01:00:19,239 we're done. Mike Tyson nostalgia. It was twenty eight years ago Saturday as 970 01:00:19,280 --> 01:00:22,119 we released the podcast that Tyson came out of the clink, The who'scal how 971 01:00:22,159 --> 01:00:25,280 many different metaphors we want to use? The lock up? The pokey you 972 01:00:25,360 --> 01:00:30,880 got anymore? Jason the cooler? Okay, I think I'm good. He 973 01:00:31,039 --> 01:00:36,400 came out of prison in Indiana and he fought Peter McNeeley in a much hyped 974 01:00:36,880 --> 01:00:39,400 pay per view that probably didn't deserve to be nearly as hyped as it was. 975 01:00:39,519 --> 01:00:44,159 But it was more about Tyson's return to the ring, and really all 976 01:00:44,239 --> 01:00:46,719 the build up and all the blustering before the fight, and the fight was 977 01:00:46,800 --> 01:00:51,559 like seven seconds, okay, or seventeen seconds or twenty seven seconds as longer 978 01:00:51,639 --> 01:00:54,639 than that, but it was actually eight quickly eighty nine seconds. It was 979 01:00:54,719 --> 01:01:00,239 over quickly. McNeeley tried to engage him for about three or four second It's 980 01:01:00,280 --> 01:01:02,199 what a mistake that was. And it was over a short time later. 981 01:01:02,320 --> 01:01:06,239 But don't you remember listening to all the pre fight where he was gonna rap 982 01:01:06,320 --> 01:01:10,760 Tyson in this cocoon of horror? I didn't remember that phrase. So the 983 01:01:10,800 --> 01:01:15,039 fight actually lasted two seconds less than when Mike knocked out Michael Snakes to be 984 01:01:15,760 --> 01:01:21,039 the undisputed are the lineal heavyweight champion. He was already undisputed when he knocks 985 01:01:21,039 --> 01:01:23,800 spins out and the two undefeated fighters. But I don't think people canna if 986 01:01:23,800 --> 01:01:29,000 they weren't around in nineteen ninety five. Remember, Mike had been in prison 987 01:01:29,239 --> 01:01:30,159 for for or you know, he had gotten out. He had been out 988 01:01:30,159 --> 01:01:35,719 of the ring for four years. He hadn't fought since his rematch victory against 989 01:01:36,159 --> 01:01:38,039 Razor Ruddick. They had had a tremendous first fight, a pretty good second 990 01:01:38,079 --> 01:01:42,480 fight, and then he you know, he went to prison for the rape 991 01:01:42,559 --> 01:01:45,880 conviction, and everybody knew he was gonna fight when he got out of jail. 992 01:01:45,920 --> 01:01:49,079 Obviously, he resigned with Don King, which a lot of people thought 993 01:01:49,119 --> 01:01:51,159 was a terrible mistake. And I think if he asked Mike, he would 994 01:01:51,199 --> 01:01:52,480 tell you the same thing based on the lawsuits and all the things that happened 995 01:01:52,480 --> 01:01:55,960 after that. But he was back with with with Don. They put this 996 01:01:57,039 --> 01:02:00,599 fight on at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas. It did. It was 997 01:02:00,679 --> 01:02:04,639 a back then. It was set pay per view, which is the old 998 01:02:04,760 --> 01:02:07,480 name for showtime pay per view, and like you said, it had no 999 01:02:07,599 --> 01:02:12,119 business being this big of an event. But Tyson was, you know, 1000 01:02:12,320 --> 01:02:14,960 the face of boxing. He was the biggest name in the sport. He's 1001 01:02:14,960 --> 01:02:17,320 one of the most famous people in the world period boxing sports, or just 1002 01:02:17,559 --> 01:02:22,800 in terms of any person out there. They drew a big crowd, and 1003 01:02:22,159 --> 01:02:28,320 the thing is this fight sold and one point five million plus on pay per 1004 01:02:28,400 --> 01:02:32,880 view, an absolutely gigantic number there had Remember at that time, there had 1005 01:02:32,960 --> 01:02:37,239 never been even a two million selling pay per view. Now there's been a 1006 01:02:37,280 --> 01:02:39,960 few with Canello and Floyd and pack Hill and Floyd and Connor and whatever, 1007 01:02:40,079 --> 01:02:46,440 Oscar and and Floyd very uncommon. Like the record at that time was it 1008 01:02:46,559 --> 01:02:51,719 still hadn't even been achieved when Tyson the Tyson holy Field fight hadn't happened yet, 1009 01:02:52,000 --> 01:02:57,679 Tyson versus Lewis hadn't happened yet. So one point five two I think 1010 01:02:57,760 --> 01:03:00,400 at that time, if it wasn't the all time record and it was like 1011 01:03:00,559 --> 01:03:04,199 in the top two or three, it was a gigantic event. Two things. 1012 01:03:04,320 --> 01:03:07,920 Number one, that the pay per view had really begun to take hold 1013 01:03:08,039 --> 01:03:13,159 in the early to mid nineties away from the closed circuit, and the internet 1014 01:03:13,360 --> 01:03:16,239 was still really new, and you didn't really have ways. You didn't have 1015 01:03:16,280 --> 01:03:19,679 a streaming way. In other words, to watch the fight, you had 1016 01:03:19,760 --> 01:03:22,679 to buy it through the pay per view to be able to get it. 1017 01:03:22,000 --> 01:03:25,119 So much show Brother Rayfield. I still remember this. I had the pay 1018 01:03:25,199 --> 01:03:29,039 per view. I bought the pay per view at my apartment. I was 1019 01:03:29,119 --> 01:03:32,960 not yet married. I would get married the next year. My fiance is 1020 01:03:34,079 --> 01:03:37,400 there other friends broadcasting friends of mine, and I kept saying, as they 1021 01:03:37,519 --> 01:03:40,119 got to the ring and they're doing the introductions, I'm like, get in 1022 01:03:40,280 --> 01:03:43,920 here in the living room of my apartment. I'm like, get in here 1023 01:03:44,320 --> 01:03:45,840 because this thing is about to start and it may not take very long. 1024 01:03:46,039 --> 01:03:49,239 And I had one media friend who's like, oh, what's the big I'm 1025 01:03:49,320 --> 01:03:52,280 like, get in here. This may take a minute, because we've been 1026 01:03:52,320 --> 01:03:54,239 over here for like forty five minutes or an hour waiting for this thing to 1027 01:03:54,320 --> 01:03:59,360 start, having some snacks, food, beverage, whatever. Get in here 1028 01:03:59,440 --> 01:04:01,079 for the start of it. And I was not wrong. Rayfield twenty eight 1029 01:04:01,159 --> 01:04:06,320 years ago, not exactly a difficult prediction to make, but the fact that 1030 01:04:06,400 --> 01:04:11,599 this fight did that kind of business against Peter McNeely, who was nothing more 1031 01:04:11,679 --> 01:04:14,360 than a club fighter. I mean, and I'm not trying to insult him, 1032 01:04:14,360 --> 01:04:15,880 but he could not fight at all. He had a great chick about 1033 01:04:15,920 --> 01:04:18,880 him. He could talk. You know, he went forward and try to 1034 01:04:18,920 --> 01:04:21,760 make a brawl, but you don't go and try to brawl with Mike Tyson, 1035 01:04:21,800 --> 01:04:24,880 who you know, we're looking to just get you out of there in 1036 01:04:24,920 --> 01:04:27,559 the first of the comeback fights. And you know it's funny, actually I 1037 01:04:27,599 --> 01:04:30,000 remember it after, you know, he became a celebrity after that loss. 1038 01:04:30,039 --> 01:04:31,920 He did a Pizza Hut commercial. Remember he got knocked out by the slice 1039 01:04:31,920 --> 01:04:36,920 of pizza, the very first box I didn't remember that until you just I 1040 01:04:38,000 --> 01:04:41,239 gott a YouTube that so so he had gotten knocked down by Tyson in the 1041 01:04:41,280 --> 01:04:45,239 fight, and his manager, Vinny Vecchioni, had got in the ring to 1042 01:04:45,360 --> 01:04:49,920 keep him from getting destroyed, and it ended up becoming officially a disqualification. 1043 01:04:50,000 --> 01:04:53,639 But I think we can all agree it was gonna end in the very horrible, 1044 01:04:54,639 --> 01:04:58,039 violent fashion for McNeilly. But what I was gonna tell you the very 1045 01:04:58,159 --> 01:05:02,079 first professional boxing card I ever covered, which we have discussed before. I've 1046 01:05:02,119 --> 01:05:05,719 told the story many times of how I got the blood of George Heckley on 1047 01:05:05,840 --> 01:05:11,000 my notebook from the punchrom Buddy McGirt in the main event that made me from 1048 01:05:11,239 --> 01:05:15,039 just a regular boxing fan to a lunatic boxing fan. And that was the 1049 01:05:15,119 --> 01:05:18,079 first boxing match in terms of professionals that I ever attended and the first one 1050 01:05:18,119 --> 01:05:23,559 I ever covered. But on the undercard was the post Tyson Peter McNeeley, 1051 01:05:24,079 --> 01:05:27,760 who was like, yes, Buddy McGirt was the name fighter on that show. 1052 01:05:27,840 --> 01:05:30,719 But in terms of the local build up to the event, because we 1053 01:05:30,760 --> 01:05:33,079 didn't have a lot of boxing cards, you know, in Saratoga Springs, 1054 01:05:33,119 --> 01:05:38,159 New York. The guy that was getting all the attention besides Buddy McGirt as 1055 01:05:38,239 --> 01:05:42,199 the former two division world champion future Hall of Famer, was Peter McNeeley, 1056 01:05:42,239 --> 01:05:44,800 not because he was any good, but because he was the guy that came 1057 01:05:44,840 --> 01:05:47,480 back and had gotten fame around the world because he was Mike Tyson's first opponent 1058 01:05:47,519 --> 01:05:50,719 of post prison, and so he was also on that undercard. So I 1059 01:05:50,800 --> 01:05:56,480 have the memory of one of the very first professional boxing matches I ever have 1060 01:05:56,599 --> 01:05:59,280 saw a scene was you know, in terms of in person, was Peter 1061 01:05:59,360 --> 01:06:01,280 McNeeley on that undercard And then of course, you know, we went forward 1062 01:06:01,320 --> 01:06:04,880 with the rest of the show. But yeah, that was that was a 1063 01:06:05,159 --> 01:06:11,000 humungous event. Huge. I wish people should go and check out some of 1064 01:06:11,039 --> 01:06:13,280 the build up if they can find that on YouTube, because it was it 1065 01:06:13,440 --> 01:06:16,360 was massive. We did, we did talk a lot about it. Let 1066 01:06:16,400 --> 01:06:20,000 me just say this, there was more build up for Tyson McNeely than there 1067 01:06:20,079 --> 01:06:24,599 was for Errol Spence Terren Scrawford by a ton Well, and again boxing was 1068 01:06:24,679 --> 01:06:29,519 much more mainstream. He was a worldwide star that had been in prison and 1069 01:06:29,599 --> 01:06:32,079 this was the first fight coming out of prison. And here's another thing, 1070 01:06:32,119 --> 01:06:34,679 because I remember defending this. At that time, I was doing five day 1071 01:06:34,719 --> 01:06:38,639 a week sports radio, and I kept defending this over and over again, 1072 01:06:38,679 --> 01:06:43,159 and I was right then. I'm still right thirty years later, thirty plus 1073 01:06:43,280 --> 01:06:47,960 years later, for all the talk from Don King and those around him that 1074 01:06:48,119 --> 01:06:51,960 Desiree Washington, the victim in this case, was was only in this for 1075 01:06:53,079 --> 01:06:56,480 money, to sell a book, to sell a movie, to sell whatever. 1076 01:06:56,639 --> 01:07:00,760 Desiree Washington gave one interview into my knowledge, one and one only ever 1077 01:07:01,000 --> 01:07:05,400 to like good Morning America or something. That's the only place she talked immediately 1078 01:07:05,480 --> 01:07:10,360 after the rape conviction. She has never had a book, never had a 1079 01:07:10,440 --> 01:07:15,519 movie deal, and they, I mean you know, they vilified her for 1080 01:07:15,679 --> 01:07:19,159 weeks that that was her only motive in this. It's thirty something years later, 1081 01:07:19,599 --> 01:07:23,960 never made a penny off of telling her story, wanted to go about 1082 01:07:24,000 --> 01:07:27,440 her privacy because something horrible happened to her, and wanted to get on with 1083 01:07:27,519 --> 01:07:30,599 the rest of her life. So that's that's now, thirty years later. 1084 01:07:30,039 --> 01:07:34,440 And not not to get on a tangent, but as as Tyson once told 1085 01:07:34,519 --> 01:07:39,480 me, and I'm not condoning it making excuses, I don't I'm not saying 1086 01:07:39,480 --> 01:07:42,119 I believe him. I'm just telling you what he said. I'm paraphrasing. 1087 01:07:43,400 --> 01:07:45,320 I didn't rape the girl, but I did enough bad ship in my life 1088 01:07:45,320 --> 01:07:50,039 that I deserved to be in prison. Okay, yeah, well that's that's 1089 01:07:50,079 --> 01:07:56,199 the philosophy according to Mike Tyson. But he did return from prison for that 1090 01:07:56,320 --> 01:07:59,480 fight with Peter mcnelian. By the way, a Saturday. I believe it's 1091 01:07:59,480 --> 01:08:08,880 Saturday, the anniversary of Alexander Usik defeating Anthony Joshua as that was the rematch, 1092 01:08:09,039 --> 01:08:12,760 the rematch last year. Let me double check on which exact day it 1093 01:08:12,920 --> 01:08:16,159 is for the weekend. That's yes, that's actually Monday. It's actually Monday, 1094 01:08:18,239 --> 01:08:20,640 but it was a year. It's the last time we saw us is 1095 01:08:20,680 --> 01:08:27,439 a year ago when he beat Anthony Joshua to retain unified titles. And now 1096 01:08:27,479 --> 01:08:31,000 we'll see him again here coming up next weekend for the first time since that 1097 01:08:31,119 --> 01:08:33,760 fight. So there you go. You've had plenty here on the program. 1098 01:08:34,000 --> 01:08:38,479 I'm looking forward to seeing us back in action against Duet. I don't think 1099 01:08:38,520 --> 01:08:42,680 it has got a huge chance to win. Save Your Savior Powder because we 1100 01:08:42,960 --> 01:08:45,760 got a Sunday night show and we still got a you next week that we 1101 01:08:45,800 --> 01:08:47,920 got to come up with material for again the Sunday night show. We're gonna 1102 01:08:47,920 --> 01:08:53,479 get creative because we don't really have big fight cards. If something dramatic happens, 1103 01:08:53,720 --> 01:08:56,319 we'll probably talk about it. Dan may have an interview, We'll have 1104 01:08:56,439 --> 01:08:59,880 other fight news. We will have something for you off the weekend. Even 1105 01:09:00,039 --> 01:09:02,159 though we were robbed of the due to the injury of the better BF Smith 1106 01:09:02,199 --> 01:09:06,520 fight this weekend for the unified light heavyweight titles. We don't have that this 1107 01:09:06,600 --> 01:09:10,520 weekend, but we will have a Fight Freach Unit recap in the meantime. 1108 01:09:10,640 --> 01:09:14,600 Enjoy your weekend. You're Saturday with light boxing. I'm headed to New York 1109 01:09:14,680 --> 01:09:18,880 again for Buccaneer preseason football game Saturday night. So I'll stay in touch with 1110 01:09:19,000 --> 01:09:24,039 you off the weekend and we'll do a Fight Freaks Unit recap on something off 1111 01:09:24,079 --> 01:09:28,239 the weekend. My friend, and as I say to our boxing fans and 1112 01:09:28,319 --> 01:09:30,800 friends, on Saturdays, when there's no boxing to speak of, call your 1113 01:09:30,880 --> 01:09:35,079 mother, Yes, please do get ahold of mom and grandma whoever else did 1114 01:09:35,079 --> 01:09:39,680 you want to get a hold of. Follow Subscribe to this podcast by the 1115 01:09:39,720 --> 01:09:42,840 way rate US Interview US, Apple Podcast, Google Podcast Spotify. 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