On our show. We have Todd Partain, the director producer of the documentary
Eyes in the Dark the Sasquatch experience the pleasure to have him joining us.
Also the Mouth of the South Henry May and the former Secretary of State James
Baker neglected group we have tonight. Hey, let's start us off with some
news, mister, Oh, some news. Well, let's see now our
good friend Lauren Coleman, he's going to be on the Coast Coast AM tomorrow
night. That will be at the one am Eastern midnight Central usually usually George
Nori has the gifts the kirtchins of a logical gift song for three hours,
like the last three hours of the show. So it'll be from two am
or three am to six am Eastern. No, no, no, no,
two am to five am Eastern one am before am Central. Don't you
hay time zones? Yeah, I really do. Here's a little interesting news,
and I'm on the Dover Demon. Those of you we are not familiar
with the Dover Demon. It's it was some kind of a creature which was
seen in Dover, I think, Massachusetts. It was about four feet tall
with a thin body and arms glowing eyes and a huge egg shaped head with
some kind of weird looking creature that doesn't not at all attractive. No,
no, it doesn't. And you're putting that on a eHarmony dot com A.
Yeah, sure, thirty years since that creature was seen in the Dover
area, No wonder it's ugly April twenty first, April twenty second, nineteen
seventy seven. So thirty years this this this weekend. You know, I
want to hear this is kind of an anniversary for us. Sean, this
is our six month anniversary tonight, exactly six months ago the chief as you
didn't even send me flowers. We had Tim Cansty on. He was our
first guest and he's been on since the so you know, this is kind
of a special night for us. Guys. It's reminding everybody that the third
season of The Sasquatch Experience starts July first with Todd Nie. Yeah, a
great show. It's going to be a great show. Every show we have
is great. Yeah, but speaking of great shows, that we might as
well start kicking one off. Tonight, we got Todd Partain with us and
who sent me a copy of his documentary, and folks, it's well worth
the price of admission to see this. I enjoyed it, and it couldn't
have gotten here in better timing because I received my copy yesterday because for some
reason, the postal service thought it was funny to mail my mail to my
grandparents in Florida. Yeah, so it finally got here and I watched it,
and it was well worth the way, and I enjoyed every minute of
it. So, without further ado, welcome to the show, Todd Partain
the Sasquatch Experience. Thank you so much. It's a pleasure to be here
tonight. Guys. It's the pleasure to have you. You know. The
one thing, and I was talking to you before we went on air,
it is the one thing I appreciated the most of a documentary, you know,
minus the interviews, what was the the you know, the the retelling
of the encounter that you and your family had, you know, and in
the trailer, and one thing you said to me that was really important.
I never saw anything because I was too scared. But but even without seeing
anything, that must have been one truly horrifying experience. It was absolutely horrifying,
and it's left such a mark on me that even at this very moment
as we speak, just to think back on it and to talk about it
is you know, I've got the chills once again. You know, you
get the goosebumps from it. And I mean, it was just it left
such a mark on me that you know that it's brought me to this place
that I'm at today, you know. So it's a it was. It
was a heck of an experience, especially for a kid that was five years
old, and you know, just very traumatic. And but at the same
time, it opened my mind probably to a lot of things that I never
would have had my mind open to had I not had that experience. So
in a way, I'm you know, it was kind of a bad thing,
but in the same way it was it was a good thing. You
know. I think, like a lot of people who have had a subsquatch
sighting or or something in that nature, you spend a lot of your time
wanting to relive it because it's a it's such a rare and special event that
even when it's a terrifying event, it's it's something still that you're just like,
you know, you can never forget about it. And I guess it's,
uh, you get hooked and you know, very much like if you
ever watched Terry and the Henderson's which is coming out on Tuesday. Yeah,
by the way, Yeah, if you ever watch that movie, you know
there's a there's a point there where the guy describes how he got hooked on
Bigfoot. And you know, odds are if you do have an experience,
you're probably gonna have one. If you're lucky, you have more than one.
But then you spend the rest of your life like just you know,
it's it's an addictive thing. It's really a you know, it's it's just
really I don't know, it pulls you in, It pulls you into the
whole a whole other world of conjecture. And the odd thing about it was,
I didn't really talk about it a lot when I was a kid,
and it was only here in the past five or six years or so that
I really started to explore what happened that night, go over it with my
family and and bring it out into the open and discuss it. And it
unlocked a lot of memories. Uh, my younger brother, you know,
he had shut the whole thing out and had forgotten about it, and we
just kind of we opened the door back up you know, and he would
call me up later. He lives quite a ways away from me, and
he called me because, you know, I remember some more stuff about that
night. He goes, you know, I'd forgotten about it and shut it,
blocked it out of my mind. And I was like, yeah,
that's a you know, I was never able to really do that. How
your parents and you know, still relate to that situation. For your mother,
that must have been truly terrifying. It was truly terrifying. I've never
in my life actually witnessed my mother lose her composure and and actually show fear
in front of me, you know, but that night she did, and
I mean it was obvious reasonably. So yeah, and you know, when
you're a kid and you're when you're five years old, and you see fear
in your mother's faith and you know, and your grandmother, and it's obvious
that you know, and they're and they're talking and and furtively, you know,
speaking about what they need to do, and they're running around and and
trying to find a gun and and all this other stuff. I mean,
you realize you've got a lot to worry about, and it's a pretty terrifying
experience. Yeah, just I mean, just an awful, awful thing.
But at the same time, you know, something that's just will always be
there, It will always be in my mind. And just go over the
story of the Encarnor for us. Okay, Well, it was about nineteen
seventy five. We were every about every other weekend or so. I was
about five years old. Me and I had an older brother, his name
was Keith. A younger brother, his name's Kirk. We would travel up
to Arkansas my grandfather and we would visit him. My grandfather was the sort
of the town police chief if you want to call him that, more like
a probably more of an Andy Taylor at Maybury kind of situation than you know,
any kind of a big time thing because of a small town in glen
Wood. It was called Glenwood in Arkansas, and he lived. He had
just acquired a trailer house on the side of a mountain at nearby Keddo Gap,
which is right next to Glenwood. Now, anybody that does any kayaking
or canoeing knows that area, well, in this area in Louisiana and Arkansas
and whatnot, because that's just a prime area to go canoeing and kayaking and
it's just a beautiful place. But back then it was largely an unpopulated area
and my grandfather had just got in this place, and I remember we went
up and I remember we drove up a mountain, you know, and it
was pretty harrowing getting up there. And we got up there and we played
outside. I remember we weren't allowed to go very far away from the actual
trailer house. And it was kind of an interesting day. You know,
We're surrounded by the woods, and you know, kids are kids no matter
where you go. We're doing kids stuff, you know, And there was
kind of a different feeling in the air. Can't really describe it, but
there was that, you know, kind of a I don't know, it
was just almost like the you know, like when the hair stands up on
the back of your neck. I don't want to say that we felt like
we were being watched, but there was a different feeling about where we were
that day. But you know, as a kid, you just you don't
really you just kind of shut that out and just go and do your kids
stuff and play and fight with your brothers and do all the normal stuff you
do. Well, it started getting dark, and my grandfather deputized my father,
and he would do this pretty regularly when we went to visit and my
father and my grandfather was his father in law. They would go out on
patrol, in patrol the area of Glenwood, Arkansas and Cattle Gap, and
they were gone on patrol, and so it was just me and my two
brothers and my mother and my grandmother. We were all in there and we
were doing typical you know, getting late kind of stuff. We got called
in. There was one point I would like to make while we were outside
playing, there was at one point like just right before we get called in,
and it might actually have had something to do with us getting called inside.
We heard a loud call of some kind and it was I seemed to
remember even discussing with my older brother and he said it was an owl or
something, but thinking back, it was way too loud and way too strong
to be an owl. And it was about that time my mother stuck her
hit out and said kids, get inside. And so we got inside,
and you know, it wasn't like it was, oh, there something to
worry about. It was like, oh, come on in, it's getting
dark. You know, it's time to get something to eat. So we
did that and we were going about our business and my older brother was sitting
on the couch eating a sandwich, and I myself and my younger brother,
Kirk, who was about a year younger than me, so he was only
about four years old at the time. We were sitting at the table eating
our spaghettios and alphabet soup or whatever it was, and we noticed that my
older brother sitting on the couch kept putting his hand up over his eyes and
shielding his eyes like a person would do if they were shielding their eyes from
the sun they're outside. And thought that was pretty odd, you know,
so asked him what was going on? And in me my mother seeing what's
going on? Keith, what's what's the problem, And he goes, there's
something looking at me through the window and the door. Now, the door
to that trailer home had the old jeluice type windows that crank open, just
a bunch of glass loovers and there's a little there's a little crank on the
inside there and you crank it and the little lovers would open for ventilation and
whatnot. And the top loover, the loovers in there they had some kind
of diffused glass in them, but the top one apparently had been broken out
and replaced, and it had a clear pane of glass in it. Well,
what he saw was looking at him to the top loover of the glass.
Now, this we hadn't we hadn't heard any noise. There was no
no indication that anything was outside at all. And of course, you know,
there was a like a there was a little porch out on front this
trailer that had just been put in. It was made out of two by
fours and pretty solid. I remember it was stained with a red stain.
But so we we all reacted to this, you know, immediately upon hearing
it there was something looking inside. And of course my mother was like,
oh no, there's nothing out there. And so my mother immediately walks up
to the door, she looks out and just she just let out a gasp,
and her reaction was just one of she turned around and you know,
looked at my grandmother and just to see the fear in her face that I
saw that night, I will never forget it, because that was instantly when
that was when the adrenaline just kind of shot through me, you know,
and I immediately was I was immediately terrified because I could tell she had seen
something that had just terrified her. So she had let out a gas and
she went immediately when we started talking to my grandma, and they were very
animated, and my grandmother went over the door, but apparently she didn't see
anything, or if she did, I don't remember if he actually saw anything
or not. But I remember they got a blanket and they attached the blanket
somehow over the door so that this creature could not see it anymore. Well,
apparently that made it pretty mad because it started making noises. The thing
I remember after that was there were grunts. It sounded like like a growling,
a really low growl. And the thing that I remember the most is
the breathing. You could tell it was something huge outside because it was it
was breathing, and you could just tell from the It reminded me still even
today, of like when you hear a bull or a horse breathing. It
was that kind of a huge, kind of a sound of you know,
there's there's a large lung capacity that's going on there. And there it was
pushing on the doct memories, pushing on the trailer house a little bit,
and I can remember it it hitting the side, slapping almost like a slap,
and it did that for a little while, kind of along the front,
and then apparently it worked its way around the trailer. And at this
point, my mother and my grandmother, you know, they're searching for weapons.
So they go and they get they find a shotgun, but they don't
have any shells for it. The only thing they can find are some thirty
eight caliber bullets, and of course the bullets aren't going to work in the
shotgun, and the thirty eight is of course gone with my grandfather because he's
on patrol with my dad. So there's you know, there's not a lot
they can do in the way of protecting us except just get us. They
got us under the dining room table. I remember being hunkered under the dining
room table with my two brothers, and there's not my memory kind of I
lose. There's a part of my memory that I lose. I think it
was because I was so terrified. There's like a part of my memory that
kind of disappears right there. I remember being under the table, being terrified
out of my wits. You know, I will not look at any window
in the house because I'm just I'm terrified, because I don't want to see
what this is. And I wasn't thinking Bigfoot at the time, you know,
I thought was that the devil was outside. You know, I had
no idea what it was. Only it was the Boogeyman was outside. And
so whatever it was, it came around to the back door. Now,
on this particular trailer house, that back door was right by the table that
we were all cowering under, and I can remember it pulling on the doorknob,
and I can remember pushing, and the strange thing, the odd thing
that strikes me is that it never put its arm through a window. It
never pushed on the window, and I've always thought that was a very odd
thing. So it pulls on the doorknob, It pushes on the doorknob,
it doesn't turn the doorknob. That particular door was actually the lock was broken
on it. It would not lock, and had it turned the doorknob,
the door would have opened. But it didn't turn the doorknob. So we
have that going on. We've got, you know, terrified kids, And
after a while it seemed to kind of, you know, get tired of
bothering us, and then it kind of moved on. Now, the only
other structure within probably a mile of that place at the time was an old
shack. You'd say it was an old house, but it was really dilapidated.
It was more of a shack than anything else. It was abandoned and
I guess it was being used for storage. But whatever this creature was,
it moved on to that location and just tore the heck out of the place.
We could hear it, like tearing stuff apart. I don't recall ever
hearing a scream or anything like that, but it was. It was pretty
radical night, you know, obviously, and so they got us in the
bed, got us under the blankets and everything, and pretty much you know,
the next the next morning is about the next thing I remember after that,
and that next morning, you know, we'd beat a hasty retreat.
Normally we stayed the we stayed Friday night, we stayed Saturday night, we
didn't leave until Sunday. Well, this was a Saturday morning, and I
thought it was odd because I wanted to stay because we had just gotten there,
you know, the evening before, and we always stayed, you know,
the entire weekend when we went up there with my grandfather. Well,
that next morning we were gone and I remember we were getting out and you
know, the parents were loading up the station wagon and and we were stopped
and he saw the damage outside, and I mean we stopped to take a
look at it, you know, the kids, me and my brothers did,
and that's when we saw the footprints. The first thing that immediately grabbed
my attention that that morning was when I stepped out on the porch. I
was told my dad told me, the watch where you're stepping, because there's
holes in the porch. And sure enough, there were these big holes stomped
through the porch and one of the steps had been stomped through, and I
mean it was just, you know, it was obviously something with a lot
of strength or weight had been on there. Yet we never heard it make
a sound until it got angry, and then of course we saw those meal
the footprints, and I mean that was That's always been the clincher for me.
I could have written the whole thing off as a bear. I could
have written it off as you know, a large cat. But you know,
the image of those tracks will always be in my head. As a
matter of fact, the one that was closest to the stairs is the one
I focused on and it was a it was a huge human footprint. I
mean that's what it looked like to me, just a very large human footprint.
And I can remember this. The soil there was a I want to
say it was like a shell, like a crushed shell, kind of slate,
kind of stuff, like a very fine flakes of rock basically, and
you could see it really well. You know that that it was not any
It could not have been anything but a humanoid type footprint. The toes had
a grade on them, just like a human foot does. It was long,
it was very long, and of course I'm five years old, so
I mean it looked huge to me then, but I'm sure it would still
have looked huge to me now. The thing that I also got my attention
was that, you know, I certainly wasn't leaving any tracks in this soil,
and neither could I couldn't tell that my father was leaving any really deep
discernible tracks. If these tracks were about maybe an inch deep inch and a
half deep. Yet you know my father was walking around, he was barely
leaving a mark, and I just thought it was very you know, that
image stuck in my head, and that's when you know, the first mentioned
between me and my older brother of you know, it was a bigfoot,
that's when that first comes to mind. And that was the first time I
didn't even registered in my mind that we possibly had been dealing with Bigfoot,
not just you know, some monster from hell or something. But that's pretty
much. That's pretty much my story. My older brother, who was the
first one to see the eyes looking through the window, he passed away several
years ago, about probably three years now, And one of the things that
bothered me was I had never really gotten his story down on tape. Really
well. I did sit down with them years ago and get everyone to tell
their version on videotape, and the tape was handed over to a production company
for another movie that I know at least one of you guys that's familiar with.
We never got the tape back and so I lost it. So the
record that I have of his his actual experience, I lost. And it
came to really, I came to really station, you know that. You
know, I've lost my grandfather, so I can't get his version of the
story anymore. My little brother's on the other side of the country, so
you know, it's kind of impossible for me to get him down on tape
again. So let me sit down and get who I can get, my
parents and myself, and so I did that and and it was it was
it was after that that I heard about the Texas Bigfoot Conference and I said,
you know, I gotta, I gotta go down there. And my
wife's like, are you crazy? What are you talking about? Bigfoot conference?
And I said, they're having a bigfoot conference. You of course,
my wife, you know, practical, you know joker that she is,
well, what is bigfoot going to be there? You know, well,
no, but a lot of people that you know are interested in it will
be there. And so I went down and I interviewed some folks, and
you know, I was a really lucky guy I met. You know,
bigfooters are some of the greatest people that you'll ever meet, because these folks
sat down, you know, took time out of their day to sit there
and let me fiddle around with my video camera and and you know, my
little kit and gear and all that, and they let me put mics on
them and they sat there and they told me their stories. And I don't
think there's anything more interesting than that. And to me, the whole purpose
of what I was doing. I've accomplished that, and I want to keep
doing it, and that is to get people's stories down first person, from
their own lips, so that the world will know that there are people out
there who have seen this thing. There are people out there who have experienced
it in one way or another, and it's and it's it changes your life
to a certain degree because it lets you know that there are things in the
world that you know that we in our modern so called society, that we
ignore or we try to you know, poo poo or whatever and call it
nonsense, but you know, in fact it's true. And so that's basically
been the focus of what I've been working on. Now touched, I think
back to just the sighting for a minute, and how long if you were
to give an approximation of time, do you think this whole ordeal lasted.
I think we're probably talking about somewhere in the neighborhood of about thirty minutes.
That's a pretty long time. I mean, most experiences of sightings, encounters
you don't hear of, you know, lasting that long. And I think
that's just, you know, a very rare in itself and unfortunate that you
had to go through such an ordeal, but you're very observant, you're able
to take some details from that and then later on really go back and do
a more thorough and investigation. I think that's remarkable. Well, you know,
it's it was. It's an obsession. I mean it was. It's
always been an obsession of mine to know what happened that night, because the
first thing I wanted to do is I wanted to you know, when you're
a kid, you can you deal with things. I don't know what it
is about when you're a child, you can deal with things better without becoming
obsessed about it really badly. But I guess I was obsessed to a certain
point because it was after that experience a couple of years later when I really,
you know, became a good reader and everything, and I would go
to the library and I would seek books out on cryptids. Of course,
you know, they weren't called cryptids back then, they were just called monsters.
And so you know, I thought out books about sea monsters and lockmous
monster and Bigfoot and everything I could read, because I guess I wanted to
ask myself the question, is it possible you know that what happened that night,
that what I think happened that night happened. And the thing that,
you know, I always go back to the footprint. I could have written
it off as anything else that hadn't been for the footprints, and the footprints
were just I mean not a bear track. I mean, I've made a
point in my life to you know, really check out bear tracks. I've
actually gone and where there was a place in Doverley, Louisiana where they had
a black bear running around, and I actually went out and took a look
at some bear tracks there one time, just so I could see bear tracks
with my own two eyes, so that I could say to myself, you
know, could could have been in a black bear or something of that nature.
But but after seeing the bear tracks that I've seen, bears do not
have the gradient toe structure that that was present on those tracks. Bears tend
to have a toe structure that's longer in the middle in sort of grades downward
on both in both directions to the left hand end, right hand side.
These tracks were I mean, they were just humanoid. And I don't know
any other way to put it. I mean, I can I'm not a
scientist. You know, I'm not a I'm not a bigfoot expert, and
some people think that I am. But I'm just a guy that had something
very strange happened to him when he was a kid, and I've been obsessed
since that day of final out, you know, you know what the deal
is. So that's how I got into the whole Bigfoot thing. And I
know there's a lot of people who've you know, they've read books and gotten
into it, and I, you know, wish I was. I wish
I had the luxury of being able to say that Bigfoot doesn't exist, because
there's a lot of people that I've encountered since I've pretty much come out into
public with what happened when I was a kid, and I've encountered a lot
of people that are like, oh, come on, you know, I
don't believe in such a thing. And you know, I don't feel like
I have to prove to anybody that Bigfoot exists, because I know that Bigfoot
exists just from my own experience. I've just made up my mind that was
made up for me. Actually, my mind was made up for me back
in nineteen seventy five. So it's not even a question to me of who's
right who's wrong. I think there's people out there who know the truth,
and there are other people out there who or bath have been misled by all
the negative media attention that Bigfoot gets and all the you know, all the
bad stuff that we have to deal with in this field of the hoaxing and
everything else. That really is just pushing back the definition the eventual classification of
this unclassified primate or unclassified hominide, I should say. And it's really all
there is to it. And you know what's really funny about this whole thing
is is, you know, guys, I'm just I'm a telephone lineman.
You know, I'm not a scientist. I'm just an ordinary Joe. I
did the film because it was something that needed to be done. I mean,
I've worked in the media before, and that was the reason I had
the equipment to do what I did, and I had the equipment laying around.
I used to shoot wedding videos for a living. Before that, I
worked for the cable company make TV commercials. But I kind of gone on
to the telephone company because I needed to make a living. But that question
was always in the back of my mind and just every time that I would
think about it, like, you know, I gotta take my video equipment.
I got to get this stuff down because I mean, I was participated
in a project one time where we kind of got filmed on it and everything,
but it wasn't I didn't feel like they told the story the way it
needed to be told. And that's what I want to do. I want
people to be able to tell their story firsthand and do whatever we got to
do to make it, you know, interesting for people to watch, and
just to get it out there so that other people who have had an experience,
who in the past were afraid to talk about it, are willing to
come forward. And I've met as a result of just doing this. I've
met people, I've gotten emails from people. There are people that you know
who eventually I will go out and I will meet with these people and do
what I can to get their stuff down as well. That incident, you
know, I've always felt that that incident, guys, was a warning.
I think it was trying to tell us to get out of it. It's
territory. The trailer house had not been there very long at all, from
what I understood, it had just been there for just a few days,
the soil was still disturbed. We're plumbing and whatnot had been put in.
I always got the feeling that we were being told to get out. You
know, if you want to go I can't go into the psychology of a
sasquatch, but because I just don't know, but I just I get the
feeling. Whatever was there that night, had it been a bear or what
not, any other large creature large enough to do with that creature did it
could so easily have pushed a window in. Yet, whatever this creature was,
not only did it come to our front door so quietly that we didn't
even know it was there. When it did make itself known, or at
least when it realized that we had discovered it and blocked its view, and
he either got angry or decided to make an example out of us. It
worked on us there, and then it came to the other door. So
this thing had a recognition of what doors were for that. You know,
there are little things like that to stick in my head that I'm just like,
you know, that to just make you wonder about the mentality that was
at work there that night. I mean, obviously, if this creature had
really truly wanted to hurt two women and three young boys. It could have
easily done so, but it obviously didn't want to take it to that level.
It wanted us to know it was there. I think it wanted us
to know it was angry, certainly, and then it pretty much demonstrated.
I think it demonstrated to us what it could do by attacking the other structure
that was there that it knew was uninhabited. It sounds like intimidation tags to
me. Yeah, I've always felt that way. I feel like it was
there to let us know, Hey, this is my spot, I'm in
charge here. You're in my territory, and I want you out. And
you know, that strategy worked perfectly because my grandfather got rid of the place.
From what I understand, the next time we went to see him about
a month or two later. I mean, he was in a completely different
spot. He was out in the middle of a cowpass, so, yeah,
a whole different ill. He got away from the mountains and kind of
got out in the in the meadows a little bit better. Yeah, we've
got some questions from our chat room from Bill Green. Hey Bill, you
know Bill, Yeah, Bill, everybody knows Bill yeah, question for Todd,
Hey, Todd, I still enjoy watching your documentary, still thinking about
doing other documentaries about Bigfoot. Absolutely, it is my It is my goal
as a matter of fact, to do that. You know, the only
thing that's holding me back is funding. I had to promise that life.
I said, you know, this is going to fund itself. I said,
you know, I have to make I make back the money that it
costs me to make the documentary. And then you know, if I have
a few hundred dollars left over, then that one can go into the next
one. And as soon as we do that, as soon as we pass
the break even point, I'm definitely gonna jump right back out there and do
something else. And I mean, I just though there's already people that I
have. I've got relatives in South Louisiana who want to take me out and
show me a spot, and they have a There's actually a guy down there
who's a disc jockey for a radio station says he saw a sosquatch across the
road in front of him, and there's a place down there where they've been
having some activity. I'd like to go down and document. There's a lady
in East Texas that I plan on talking to. There are several other people
as well that I just really want to go sit down with and get their
story. And you know, it's it's my dream to be able to put
all this stuff down and just get it out to people. Eventually, I
would like to develop a website where you can go and basically just get the
get peoples. And by the way, Faults he does have a temporary website.
It's www dot Bigfoot channel dot com. If you want to order the
DVD from there, you can. He's got some reviews of the DVD,
so if you guys are interested, that's big www dot Bigfoot channel dot com.
And we've got another question from the chat room from monster Hunter. During
your making of the documentary, did you ever come across anyone playing tricks?
Anyone playing tricks? Well, you know what I really what I did was
I sought people out who you know at the convention, who had had experiences.
I let them tell their story, and then I went out with a
friend of mine who just a huge guy. Just I mean, and if
you get the documentary, there's a whole segment about the poor guy at the
end. He's a friend of mine. From just from junior high and just
all my life. I've known this guy. He's this huge guy. He's
got shoulders like a he's just a big guy. And he was perfect.
I knew from the beginning he would be perfect to play Sofsquatch for me.
And he did it without hardly any convincing it all. And he was really
excited about at first, but he found out, you know that it wasn't
just the most fun in the world. And we even had an experience with
some police and everything else that was kind of interesting. But uh, he
he was just he was just great the whole time. And uh, we
just tried to you know, do a little bit of a recreation whenever we
could and whatever we could do. We shot a little film, shot a
lot of video, and we just tried to make things as interesting as we
could. And that's just all from from Telcom school, you know, we
just tried to break upreations were amazing, especially of the Scuok them cast and
that was really interesting how you had him lying down and reaching over for the
fruit there. Yeah, we actually, you know, researched as much as
I could about the Scuok them cast, and I spoke you know with Rick
Noll at least you know, once or twice about it, and uh,
basically just got all the information I could and we just recreated, you know,
did the best job that we could with what we had. And we
didn't have much because we had you know, we had basically a budget to
you know, pay for happy meals and and you know, oh yeah and
the kids, oh yeah, used my kids the special features. So yeah,
old, there's something else. Well, what the person you don't see
is my oldest daughter. She's thirteen, and she she actually shot a lot
of that stuff. She shot some of the film, some of the motion
picture film, and she shot some of the video as well. Her name
is Morgan, and she did a great job. I never really got her
on camera because she just wasn't there for a lot of it, but when
she was there, she was just the greatest help. My son shot a
lot of video. He he basically he documented a lot of the behind the
scenes footage. There was just so much I couldn't put in there because I
just didn't have the time. But he just did so much work and a
lot of the stuff I shot, and of course he acted in the thing
as well, and did a great job of that. My little girl,
my youngest, she's five, and she was in it too. But the
family really helped out. My wife has been so patient because my wife is
you know, she doesn't want to have anything to do with bigfoot or anything
like that. She doesn't like to even go outside a lot. She says,
she's a city girl, and she refuses to go into the woods with
me and do anything like that. But she had a lot of patience.
She understands how important this is to me. And her biggest thing was,
you know, how much money is just going to cost us to do this?
And I said, you know, I said, I've already got,
you know, the biggest pluses. I've already got the video equipment from when
we used to do wedding videos. And I said, so I've got that
angle covered. I've got you know, pretty good, you know, pretty
good little equipment package here that I can work with. It's old, but
it's still good, and you know, we do what we can with it.
You know. I wanted to experiment with on the recreations. I wanted
to try to recreate the old look of people's memories, and I thought film
would be the best way to do that, and I really try to,
you know, kind of mimic without without trying to exactly mimic, but kind
of halfway mimic the Patterson footage a little bit, and actually learned quite a
few things that really that really told me. It really convinced me that the
Patterson film is definitely the real deal, just from experiences I had making the
costume and doing everything I could to make it realistic and realizing that looking back
at the Patterson footage, you know, there are just things about that footage
that I don't know if anyone else has ever brought up, but as a
guy who's you know, made a costume in his garage, you know,
trying to be what I as realistic as possible. And what we didn't want
to do was use a gorilla costume, because it became evident to me very
quickly when I was getting ready to shoot the recreations that there was no way
I was going to be able to afford a Hollywood quality sosquatch costume because those
were, like, you know, at least two thousand dollars and up.
There was no way I was going to use a gorilla costume because most of
the guerrilla costumes are just really let's just face the guys who are just ultra
cheesy. Yeah, and the people that try to, you know, do
hoax videos with gorilla costumes. I mean, it's just so obvious that that's
what they're wearing. You know, You've got a baggy gorilla costume, and
I mean it's just obvious. So what I wanted to do is I wanted
to say and so you know, I got to find the right person.
And of course I knew who I wanted to do it from the beginning,
and I talked him into it, and it didn't require much talking into because
he's he's just the greatest guy. He's willing to try things, and you
don't meet many people like him. He's a true friend, I mean,
because he went through so much, the fitting of the costume and everything.
Basically what we did was I wanted to get something that was as tight as
possible so that it would adhere to the actor's body and whatnot to try to
simulate you know, the Patterson footage really as much as possible. And well,
yeah, it looked great, you know, the costume looked great.
The phone number folks who three four seven, nine, five eight and we
got a phone. We've got a phone call. We got caller four O
four Area CO. You're on the air with the Sasquatch Experience and filmmaker Todd
Partey on the air. Yes, okay, yeah, I don't know,
a very interesting topic, actually have a you know, I don't know if
the Sasquatch exparents or or what it was. It was a long time ago
when I was in the Boy Scouts and we were camping up at uh In
Chicken Market back of the battlefield, and you know, we did, you
know, late night time came and we did the snipe. You know,
you know a snipe. I know, as I tell you, go out
look for the snipe. It's not really any such thing as a snipe,
you know, fund said by all. And you know, we're out there
and me and my friends Squiggly get get separated and you know, from the
rest of the group, and we're kind of lost it, kind of scared,
and then all of a sudden we get accosted. We're still not sure,
I mean, we still talk about to this day. We're not sure
exactly what it was. All I thought was a big Harry Paul holding me
down as what what looked like a sasquatch anally raping Squiggy and then it then
it held Squiggy down and alien raded me. Thank you. How did it
feel to be anally raped by a sasquatch? We'll find out next week.
I hope he used lube. I take that. Take that was Lenny.
I hope it was Lenny. I I don't know right in that right away,
Squiggy throw a red flag. You're not sorry. It makes things a
little interesting, you know. I a full moon tonight. I think this
morning and said waxing or whatever. I don't even want to get into waxing
raped by estash, my lord? Hey you what happily? Happily We've got
a couple of questions from the chat room, stayed by the bill. The
Monster Hunter wanted to know if you're going to do any conferences or anything to
promote the DVD. Well, you know, I don't. I'll do anything
anybody offers me. I mean, if if if they want me to come,
sure, man, I'm there. I mean, I understand there's going
to be one in Oklahoma? Is that right? And no, be Oklahoma
probably in October, and that'll be Oklahoma. Yes, And October, Henry.
I believe our good friend, uh Steve Coles, the Squatch Detective,
is going to be the master of ceremonies for that festival. Yeah, well,
I think that'll be great, and I'm going to try to attend.
Even if I'm not there to speak or anything, I'm definitely going to try
to attend that it's at all possible. So yeah, I'll definitely, I'll
I think, you know, you're gonna find me at Sasquatch conferences and Bigfoot
conferences just because I want to be there. And yeah, definitely I'll be
promoting and I'm sure i'll have some copies there to sell or whatnot. But
but I think the main reason that I'll be there is because I'm going to
want to meet some people and get their stories on tape, because you know,
this is not the end for me. This is you know, it
was during the making of this this documentary about halfway through that I found out
I had cancer. Yeah, and I don't want to get too much into
the details, but it kind of knocked me out for a while there for
about five or six months, the chemotherapy. But but I came back from
the cancer and you know, the thing about once you get cancer, you're
you're never really it's not a cure, you're never really cured. You're just
kind of in remission. And I'm in remission. And I got to be
honest with you. You know, there were a lot of other things that
saved my life. A great wife, kids, people praying for me,
and everything else. But the thing, one of the things that brought me
through was I knew I got to finish that documentary. You know, whatever
else happens, I'm gonna finish that thing and I'm gonna see it through the
completion. And so it's kind of it's kind of funny to say, but
this documentary actually saved my life in a little bit because it gave me the
determination, not not so much of the support and love like my family got,
but it was a thing that I knew. It was like a job
left undone that I had to finish and I wasn't about to get It was
one of the things that let me go, you know, you're not about
to give up. You're not You're not going to give up, Todd,
because you love your wife, you love your kids, and you're going to
be there for them and you're gonna finish the Bigfoot documentary. It's gonna happen.
So that's one of the things that you know, kind of got me
through all that. So we had, you know, we had a lot
of interesting adventures while we were making the documentary. I can tell you some
pretty funny stories, but probably the most hilarious one was that, Oh,
by the way, Monster Hunter, he goes he actually goes by Indy.
He's an invite to Utah for a squatch fest that will be Indy. Can
you tell me where that's going to be at? We have Allio, We
have all the details of squatch Fest of seven on the on the blog sasquatch
Experience that blogspot dot com for our listening. Right as soon as we get
that information, we'll pass that along to you as well. I appreciate it.
Ohio is a pretty good jount for me. But you know, I'll
certainly try. I mean, we have another question from Corey, but before
we get to that, I want to make a point here. You were
mentioning about your homemade costume. Well, you know, also in reference to
the parison gimmeon movie, But well, Doug Hichick spoke at the will Creek
Symposium a few years ago, and he made the point, you know that
the only the only, the only way that that footage could actually be,
you know, so good to you know, it's so so well hoaxed,
would be if you take somebody it was about six foot seven, cover them
in glue, WI should probably kill them. Anyway. They'd take over thirty
thousand hairs and glue them onto the body, one at a tie. I
agree completely with that statement because just from my experience personally doing what I could
with you know, what we did was the way that I constructed the costume.
I wanted it to be skin tight because I wanted to muscle groups to
kind of show up a little bit. What I didn't want, you know,
death for a bigfoot costume would have been for it to be baggy.
And so what we did was we went and got some black long John thermal
underwear that were about a size too small for my actor, and I had
him put them on to make sure they were skin tight on him as tight
as I could get them. And then I went back and put the hair
on. And what I did was we went bought hair extensions from Walmart and
I just wiped them out. I mean, let me tell you something.
You get some strange looks when a guy walks into Walmart and buys every hair
extension they got off the shelf in the women's you know, HbA section there,
And I mean, you talk about get some strange looks. I got
quite a few. But we got some sprague blu and I glue that puppy
together. We used an old ski mask for the hood and just did what
I just did what I could was what I had, and what I discovered
was looking back at the Patterson Gimlin film, It's got to be real,
guys. It just absolutely positively has to be real. Because as tight as
tight as as I got that costume, and it's as much as I trimmed
the hair to try to simulate muscle groups, it's just nowhere near what the
Patterson Gimlin footage was still to this day. And I'll tell you one thing.
There's one thing that probably no other human being is ever brought up,
and if they have, I'm sorry, But and this is kind of it's
actually kind of funny, and people could make jokes about it. But the
thing that really causes me to believe that the Patterson footage is real is that
the bigfoot has a butt crack, right, there is definitely a separation between
the gluteus maximus muscles. And I couldn't achieve that with my costume, just
for the simple matter of that, and just about no matter how tight you
make something on somebody, you don't really get a good delineation of the separation
between the glue between the butt cheeks. Let me, let's just say it,
you know, come out and say it. You don't really get the
good delineation. And there are frames of the Patterson footage where it is very
clear that the creature you're watching has let's just say, a crack. And
yeah, and there's just I don't know of any other way to duplicate that
unless you did exactly as you mentioned earlier, took a human being and actually
glued hair onto their body. You know, a very large human being,
not just tall, not just a six foot seven individual, but a six
foot seven individual with a huge, huge girth, just a huge It would
have to be a huge individual, and you're gonna have to put all this
stuff on them. I just I don't see how it could just be possible.
I mean, because there's the parts that would have to be padded the
rear end and the breast and everything. If you if you made a costume
like that, it would be so constrictive and restrictive in movement that then I
just don't think that it would work. Do you still have the costume or
was it destroyed when you were taking it off? Game? Because it sounds
like it's as much as you put through putting it together. Sounds like when
you peel it off, Hime, it probably didn't come off in one good
piece. And it actually it came off really well. I mean we got
an in and out of that costume several times. It wasn't easy. The
glue tended to shrink when the costume was off of him. I wasn't allowed
to bring the costume into the house obviously because of the hair shedding. Oh
so I had to keep it in the garage and it would get quite hot
in the garage, and the costume would shrink every time we every time we
used it, and every time that the costume hung and was empty for a
while, it would shrink. And so every time we went out and put
it back on Tiger, who was my actor friend, we had to stretch
it. I mean, it was like it sounded like it was ripping.
I mean, that was the stretching that had to go on. He had
to literally force himself into it every time, and especially the hippiece, it
would get really small and we would have to pull and tug. And there
are actually photos on the if you go to bigfoot channel dot com, there's
actually a photo gallery showing him in a great deal of pain as I stretch
and pull the head piece over his head trying to fit it to him.
That costume, interestingly enough, has actually become more famous than anybody. It's
on loan right now. In New York City. The Phoenix Theater Ensemble,
through Lauren Coleman, requested that somebody loaned them a Sasquatch suit for a play
that they're putting on called On the Verge. It's kind of off off Broadway
play and apparently a YETI makes an appearance in that play, and they needed
a costume, and they had a shoe string budget and they just needed they
needed a costume. So I told Lauren, I said, sure, no
problem, I'll send it up to them, because you know my plan is
to make another one anyway, So send the costume up there. It's being
used. I think their play actually starts on the twenty seventh, and it's
going to run for about six weeks. And then after that, guess who
wants to costume after that, Your friend Lauren Coleman. He wants it for
his International Cryptozoology Museum in Maine, in Portland, Maine. He's gonna put
it in the museum. So it just really shocked me. I mean,
here's something I made in my garage for fifty bucks, and it's it's going
to be on you know, in New York and in a museum it may
I mean, you know, it's really amazing. Just that's something I made
in my garage has made that kind of a journey so well, at least
we'll have a good home after that, you know, on display Coleman's museum
for Oh yeah, I'm sure Lauren a piece of Sasquatch history. Yeah,
I'm sure Lauren's going to take good care of it. And you know,
I'm probably gonna end up sending him a couple of more movie props that I
use. There's a there's a footprint that I had to construct because there wasn't
during the opening sequence of the documentary. There's a point where the camera pans
down and you see a footprint in the ground. Well, I wasn't able
to put a footprint in the ground that was satisfactorily. I mean I tried.
I made a fake foot for the shot, went out and pounded it,
jumped up and down on it, you know, did everything I could,
and I couldn't make an imprint in the soil. So I ended up
having to make a wooden cutout which I had to bury in the ground with
a shovel to simulate a footprint. I'm probably have sending that to Lauren as
well if he wants it. But if you're out there, Lauren listening and
you want that, just you know, drop me a line and I'll send
a seat for the museum. But uh, it's been a it's been an
interesting journey. The first night we went out to shoot the recreations, we
were out shooting and we just goten finished a sequence and Tiger had just taken
his his hood off to take a break because he was getten kind of hot.
And about the time we were in a park, in a public park
down by the river here in Boser City, Louisiana, and we hear a
car rolling up and about that time we see the flashing lights come on and
this police officer gets out of his car. In the world, are you
guys doing that? Here? We have one works been todd from the chatter
Jim. Jim asks he'd like to know what the other adults thought the experience.
What the other adults that you're talking about my day you're encounter. I'm
sorry. Yeah, my parents, well, you know, they've just kind
of they just kind of accepted it, you know, and just kind of
went on for being what it was. My father, you know. The
funny thing about that, You know, when you're five years old and your
parents are trying to keep all their conjecture and everything away from you. But
my mother stated several times that when she looked out, she saw a hairy
face, she saw the eyes, and she described it as looked like,
you know, a big harry hippie. They would have been. You have
to understand, my mother is an Arkansas hillwoman, and when she says she
saw a big hairy hippie, yeah, that's that would probably be the way
she would describe what she saw. So Henry, that would have been the
perfect time. Then the show is California dreaming. Well, anyway, we're
gonna go ahead and wrap things up here. We want to thank you very
much for coming on the show, and the documentary is great. I just
watched it the other day again and Henry's wore out of his copy. Is
what he's trying to tell you. I enjoy the appreciate you sending that to
us, and appreciate you being on the show. Thanks. Folks listening out
there, please get this DVD. It's important that you watch it. And
one thing we didn't touch on as much as I would have liked to,
because there's so much talk about with it are the interviews with Rick Noll and
Bob Shane, which is really funny because I knew Bob Strane was in the
field, but I never knew why. I never knew up to this point
that Bob Strane had an encounter. Would you know you learned something new every
day? Yeah, Bob's a hidden treasure, he really is. Oh yeah.
And speaking of Bob, Bob and Kathy are co producing with myself the
new show and the former Sassage Experience. A light time slot the new Wednesday
night show Let's Talk Bigfoot, hosted by Melissa Hovey and Teresa Hall starts this
Wednesday night at ten pm, right Henry in Eastern nine Central, and then
be sure and tune into that because their first guess will be none other than
the controversial MK Davis. Oh boy, and they'll be debating his recent findings
on the Paterson Gimblin film, which how old is it this year, Henry?
Forty years this year forty years old? Amazing and no one can still
prove without a shadow of doubt that it's a hoax. And I think that's
extremely That says a lot for the tenacity of the film. I've always been
offensitter on it because and you know, up to this point, I don't
know why for me, the clarity's not there. But listening to m K
Davis, MK really brought, you know, brought me around to us seeing
the things he was pulling out of the film. And once you truly sit
down with MK and let MK talk before we start throwing judgment at him,
the man makes sense. I don't agree with his recent findings that it's you
know, a native person, but you know that's MK's you know, that's
MK's opinion. He's entitled to that. But I won't take away from him
the fact that he's done incredible work on the film, right, Yeah,
that speaks volumes. So again, Tom, I want to thank you very
much, and we love the documentary and we're hoping to see more. Well.
Thanks, guys, had a great time, and that that is my
plan to continue doing what I'm doing. Well, as long as you do
it, you always have a spot here in the show. So thank you,
kin, I'll keep doing it as long as I'm above ground. There
you go, all right, all right, take it easy, Todd Tanks
for joining us heatary. Who do we have on next week? We're hoping
to get on them Williams on next week. She is the founder of Oregon
bigfoot dot com, which has just recently undergone a renovation. Looks great.
I can't wait. I hope we do get on the winners because I'd love
to talk to her. Yeah, because because we're on the kick with documentaries.
I really loved organ Bigfoot volume one and really and I'm anticipating volume two,
which I really hope comes out soon. I really enjoyed it, thoroughly
enjoyed the documentary. You know, just and a lot of people don't know
that I've been dab, you know, dabbling the idea of doing a documentary
myself. I just don't have the time. And for those of you out
there, Missus Forker is very tight with the dollar. She don't like to
part very much with it. She controls my big footing budget. Need I
say more? And so maybe one day there'll be a Pennsylvania Bigfoot documentary if
I get together with someone like Cohorts up here in PA. You know,
just bigfoots all over all over the United States. Every state has their own
Bigfoot stories, their own sightings, and there's so many of them out there.
I encourage you, the listeners to actively seek them out and read up
on them as much as possible. I think, you know, if you're
truly going to be an asset to the field, that you need to read
read read before you start opening up the apple and start talking about how you
saw squog and get raped sasquatch. I won't get off that run. I
don't like callers that you know, use our show as a form for their
antics. Well, yeah, there we have going on about this because we're
still being archive. Even though the Live Feet is over, we still have
thirty minutes of tape left to go before they kill me. But so much
to talk about with Bigfoot, and it's so hard to cram it into an
hour, you know, and week after weeks, just great to have a
new, something new to talk about. Henry and Todd, your sighting was
your encounter rather sighting, even in parison Gimmon movie. Although I know we
don't really like to talk about it very much because it's been beaten like you
know, it's been beaten up so many times. There's just nothing fresh to
talk about with it. And others would argue with me about that, But
Henry, I've been in this field for ten years. You've been doing this
for quite a long time. You know. After a while, you just
get really tired to talk about the Patterson film. It's there's so much more
out there to talk about. And you know, guys like Todd and MK
Davis and Ricknall guys like that to go out there. And I do say
MK Davis because MK Davis does do active researching. He's been out to California,
he's been out the Bluff Creek. But you got to get out there
to find the evidence and to talk about that and to talk about and discuss
the evidence. We're not going to get anywhere talking about a forty year old
film anymore. We just have to start fresh. And as I said before,
my advice to the new researchers getting into the field is read and find
yourself a mentor. That's really important. Eric Altman in Pennsylvania has truly been
a great asset to me in terms of going over evidence with me, going
on excutition with me, and just keeping my head level. And that's important
because once you start becoming an enthusiast to Bigfoot, sometimes you start losing your
judgment meter and it's important to keep that calibrated at all times. You can
often die into your own bowl than you canbine to someone Else's my only advice.
Henry has been a wonderful show tonight. Always to be doing these shows
with the six month anniversary. I expected flowers and candy, but at least
they got a phone call. And we've only lost two shows. Nels was
our first two shows. Yeah, Henry's been crying for months that we've lost
and we've lost two shows. And actually we lost two shows because they were
our fault, right, and we thought we lost a third. Fortunately for
us blog Talk Radio was able to find it. We had to thank George
Hackworth from blog talk Radio, our host Liaison, who was able to get
on that fast and find it, find that show and get it reposted to
our archives. I know a lot of people. We got a lot of
feedback on they were upset that we lost Don Keating's show. We don't lose
it. You know, we did this show for the fans. Fans listen
to us, to fans, for the enthusiasts, and anybody out there who
would like to be a guest in our show, and you know you're an
active researcher, you know, just give us a call during the show one
three four seven nine or or email us. It's a Sasquatch Experience at blogspot
at gmail dot com or go to our blog Sasquatch Experience dot blogspot dot com
com. We're easy to get a hold of, and we will just love
doing the show. Yep, We're gonna keep on. Henry gets eaten by
Sasquatch and next week we got Autumn Williams hopefully, and folks, we're gonna
go ahead and wrap things up and until next week is on behalf of Sean
Porker and James Baker. You all be good or be good at it,
bond squatching folks. This has been the Sasquatch experience.