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Weird things Happened in the backyard and
weird weird, weird. Wow. Hello

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everybody, Hello, Welcome to today's
wonderful episode of Oh bhead So Said So

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Today, Ryan, Alex and I
and d D show her on the camera.

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Make sure the camera can see her. D D. Hey, Ryan

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and Jenny's precious little kitty d D
is here. She she couldn't be separated

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from us. We're gonna be talking
about one of at least Ryan and I's

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favorite things to this gus, which
is music. Music. If if you

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don't know, for those of you
that don't know, uh, Ryan and

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Ay, Ryan and all Yan and
Ryan and ally musicians. I I was

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thinking, we're all at the seagulls
from oh yeah, but they're in Australia.

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So yeah, they are in Australia. So we're talking music today.

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Um really, I mean, I
guess it's kind of gonna be a conversation

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about art in general. But uh, you know, the art that Ryan

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and I connect with the most would
be music. And I think it's probably

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it's the art form that we've explored
the most. You know, Yeah,

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so why are we talking about music
today? It's not it's not just because

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we want to talk about music because
we're interested in it. But um,

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we have come to find that art, music, whatever medium of art it

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is that you participate in, is
psychic. It is art is a psychic

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form. I fully believe. You
know, we've said, we've said many

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times on this show that we believe
everyone's psychic. Yeah, you know what

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I mean, like to some degree, and there are different abilities, different

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levels, YadA, YadA, whatever, everyone is psychic. Well think about

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that. I thought about it the
other day and this thought popped into my

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head. Well, hang on,
if everybody's psychic and art is a psychic

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medium, does that mean that everyone
on the planet is an artist? And

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I'm really into Rick Rubin, who's
this amazing, like one of the most

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prolific producers in American history, probably
just the history of the world. I

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mean, he's he is responsible for
you could pretty much name an artist and

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he has produced them at some point, Red Hot, Chili Pepper's jay Z,

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Like the list is endless. Anyway, he just came out with this

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book called The Creative Act, A
Way of Being Um, and it's it's

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just things that he has found over
the years to be true to him about

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art, and you know the art
form that he engages most in like us.

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When I was in elementary school,
that was how I thought you drew

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a boob. Look at Okay,
So for those of you that are watching

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the video, look at this.
This is what Ryan thought a boob looked

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like. We were in a computer
class in the third grade and I drew

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on Microsoft Paint when I was supposed
to be doing maybe speacon, I drew

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two very large all chemical symbols of
the sun, and my teacher caught me,

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and I got in trouble. Yeah, risen Early, you were Risen

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Early. So yeah, so so
no, this is not a boob.

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Uh this this picture is not a
boob, nor is it a record.

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But what it actually is, which
is super cool, this is the alchemical

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symbol of the sun. It's just
it's a circle with a dot straight in

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the middle of it. So that's
the cover of this of this book,

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in every single chapter also has that
symbol on it. So when I saw

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that, and you know, I've
seen many interviews from Rick Rubin, I'm

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like, hold up, this guy
is tapped in, I guess because of

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his book just coming out, but
like he's he's there are clips of him

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really viral right now? I've oh
yeah, like not like I've watched his

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interviews, but I've even seen a
few of his clips, not even knowing

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who he was until you, like, you know, showed me who he

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was. And yeah, I mean
I've only known about him for maybe i'd

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say like two years or maybe three
years at most. He's literally been doing

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this since before I was born.
In fact, many attribute him to the

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reason that hip hop became successful and
the way that it did. Basically,

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he tells this incredible story about how
he would go to see some of the

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very earliest hip hop artists and like
in the eighties and nineties maybe oh oh

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yeah, yeah, like early to
mid eighties, Like I'm talking the very

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beginnings, you know, like Queen
Latifa, like the Furious Five, like

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the first the very first rappers on
the scene. And so he would listen

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to the records that would come out
of these rappers, and then he would

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go and see them live and he
noticed something. He noticed that live they

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are capturing this like lightning and a
bottle type vibe that is like so palpable

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and so tangible and so strong.
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He was like, Okay, so
the source material is the same,

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but it just is not carrying the
same vibe. It's like it's almost too

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overproduced, too overthought about, and
there's no life in it anymore. And

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so he basically just had the idea. He was like, wait a minute,

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I bet if these songs were just
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we capture it in the right way, we can capture the vibe on the

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recording. And so he just rolled
the dice and just asked one of his

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favorite rappers that he was seeing live, like, Hey, do you think

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I could just like sit in with
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I have some ideas or whatever.
The guy asked him, like, oh,

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what kind of ideas? He told
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It became it became an extremely successful
record, and then from that point

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forward he has been instrumental in the
world of hip hop. And so many

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people don't even know about him.
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like, you know, a month
or two ago when he told me

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about him in it. And it's
mind blowing when you listen to him speak.

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Yeah, and even me like as
prolific as he is and as interested

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in music as I am. I
only heard about him a few years ago,

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and he's been around the whole time. He's produced Metallica. I mean,

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is he is massive. This is
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If he says in interviews all the
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he says he knows nothing about music. Nothing, he says, he says,

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I don't I don't really play yeah, yeah, yeah. He's like,

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I don't play very many instruments.
I don't know how to work a

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soundboard, I don't know how to
engineer any any of that. And people

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are like, what do you what
do you do? Then, the thing

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that he offers to the artist that
he works with is he understands the medium

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of art. He understands that it
doesn't come from us, it doesn't come

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from anything human. It's out there
somewhere else. It's in the collective conscious

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consciousness. And he literally says that
in this book many times. Um,

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there are examples of this idea,
going back even to Greek mythology, to

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Babylone mythology. Yeah. Uh of, Like you know, you guys have

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probably heard of the muses. Like
I've talked about the muses a lot because

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I believe that that concept is a
real thing. Right. It's like the

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Greek myth is all you know,
as we understand from an esoteric respective,

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it's all metaphor, but the metaphor
is true. You know that there is

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the concept that the gods are in
this case, you know, consciousness speaks

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through us through some active force or
as the Greeks would say, the muses.

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Music is like, yeah, I
mean it comes from somewhere else,

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it does, and and like it's
not like anybody knows exactly where it comes

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from. But I guarantee that every
person out there, even if you're not

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musically inclined or don't consider yourself a
musician, I know without a doubt you

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have had original music pop into your
head. For sure. You have two

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alex. Everyone does I promise what
you get? Mine's all classical. Do

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you play any instruments? No,
I can't. I mean you haven't been

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able to at the level that keeps
me entertained. Is that something you'd ever

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like to do or not? I
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Okay, yeah, no, that's
that's like super super comment. Well,

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let me ask you this since we're
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Is there an art form that you
feel most drawn to and and you

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might have to think outside the box
a little, Uh, probably what we

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do here, so like writing or
filmmaking. Absolutely, yeah, And this

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is this is totally art. And
that's another huge misconception. So I think

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that I think so many more things
are art than people realize. I think

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that, like even the person who
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the only thing they have energy to
do is watch TV. I think watching

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digesting processing. I think that's all
art. You know, Okay, follow

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me here, think about this outside
the box a little bit. You know,

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we said this on a previous episode. Everything that we experience in life

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is all our mind. Everything that
you see, everything you hear, it's

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all your brain orchestrating this beautiful symphony
of experiences around you. But it's all

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the computing power is happening right here
up in the top of your head,

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all of it. So everything that
you see and experience is literally your mind.

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So when you think about that in
that context, that like, Okay,

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everything I see here, everything that
I'm experiencing, it's like your brain.

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Even justin puting everyday life. It's
this beautiful symphony. It's a creation

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in its own like your your brain's
constantly literally creating your reality. Yeah,

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it's like the universe in itself is
one big creative act. And that's what

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this book talks about. That's why
it's called the creative act. The universe

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is literally a creative act. Yeah, and your life is very similar to

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the way a song is. There's
a beginning, there's an ending, there's

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highs, there's lows, there's a
chorus. And that's that's possibly psychologically why

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we like music so much is because
there's a finite beginning and a finite end.

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And then in this physical form you
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Wow, and like to take it
a step further, how many how many

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Biblical scriptures are there are like psalms? The psalms are supposed to be songs,

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songs, you know, and like
David played the Secret Chord before the

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Lord. He was a musician and
he could wow the king and the court.

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And then you know, the Hindus
supposedly believe that the universe is a

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cosmic song and dance, and that's
why Shiva's depicted as dancing and the voice

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of Brahma, Brahma Brahmas the singular
right, the voice of Brahma is singing

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ome, which is constructing reality.
And even it was it was a Plato

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I believe, or maybe it was
Pythagoras that said, all the celestial bodies

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in space are like different chords,
you know, the harmony of the spheres,

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like even the universe is making music
with the arrangements of the celestial bodies.

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And through intuiting that he figured out
the placements of you know, the

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divisions on the string to find the
scales. Yeah, yeah, and I

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think it was Pythagoras, even if
it was one hundred percent, was because

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he created what we know today as
like the modern twelve note scale, which

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is this is a hilarious little tidbit, but did you guys know that there

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is a note on every piano on
the planet. That is incorrect. There

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is a note on every It's just
the way that piano strings specifically resonate with

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one another. One note had to
be detuned by like sixteen cents. I

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believe a scent is like a fraction
of a semitone, so like almost imperceivable

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to the ear. So there is
one note on the piano that is sixteen

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cents off so that it resonates correctly. Or E minor. Uh, well

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E minor E minor is a chord, Okay, see um E flat would

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be the note that you're talking about. But I don't know the specific note.

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I don't remember it um, but
I know that like, like high

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level professional musicians are able to like
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properly with voice. It's really interesting
anyway that that was a little side tangent.

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But scientifically, we've proven that everything
in the universe, literally everything is

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frequency. Every it's light frequency that
has that has slowed down to create an

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illusion of matter of hard stuff.
Yeah. So like if you, if

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you just if that is your foundation
of understanding, it is not far fetched

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to get to the fact that art
is magic. Yeah, And I'm making

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that seem like a big leap on
purpose because hearing art is magic sounds like

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that's it. That's well, maybe
maybe not an episode title because it's specifically

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about music. Maybe music is magic. That's kind of what I was thinking,

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because because it it is, it
is magic. So what is magic?

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Magic is using higher knowledge, will
and intent to I guess you could

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say like manifests things in reality or
bend reality to your will or alter in

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some way the forces of nature.
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into that as well. Yeah,
you're you're changing your reality in one way

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or it's crazy when you think about
it, because you know, I've had

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a long time to think about this, like, you know, just trying

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to learn drums and always trying to
think about like how to allow realizing this.

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Realizing what we're talking about is what
allowed me to progress in the drums

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because you know, admittedly being self
taught at sixteen years old with no real

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professional lessons and when you're a kid
and you're immature, you just want to

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play with sounds cool. Oh yeah, you know. And then finally growing

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up almost thirty now we're making music
for single out by the way, it's

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out now. It just came out
yesterday for Us Covolini's The Storm by Us,

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which is twice born twice. Um, and I'm so excited for people

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to start picking apart when all of
it means. But um, I'll just

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leave it at that. But anyway, coming across this, like understanding like

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what Nick's talking about helped me excel
at the drums. It's like, it's

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not about having skill, it's not
about being good or being great at it,

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which is like cool, that's that's
that's that's that's level one. That's

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like the immaturity of playing a music, a musical instrument. It's adolescence.

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It's it's it's like being immature.
And I liken it too. How I've

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been playing a Jedi Survivor Fallen Order
so this week because I got a free

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on PlayStation. It's this month right
now. I think it's free and something

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about that. I was playing it
last night when you showed up, and

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there's a line in that that I
applied to this conversation. It perfectly fits

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from Star Wars. Yes, the
whole point of the game is Cal the

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kid who survived Order sixty six.
Yeah, he you know, he survives

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and then he's found by the ex
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the Force, and she's trying to
bring him on this mystical quest to go

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to ancient Jedi tombs. And these
these ancient Jedi were sages who in the

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words of Master Cordova, which is
the guy who's like through the hollow Crons

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he's you know, you're following his
messages, messages to find these tombs of

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these sages, these Jedi sages.
The point of the game is to learn

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from these sages so that they can
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Yeah, and that clicked in my
brain for this conversation. And when you

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understand that it's all about how you
perceive music and what it truly is is

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when you begin to connect with it
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like, to me, music I
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I used to think you had to
like be really good, you know,

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to play something. But now I'm
realizing it's about like being a vessel.

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It's about being a vessel. What's
about being a channel and and and deepening

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your understanding of it so that it
operates through you. You're not forcing it,

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you're not making it. Yeah,
it is using you, yea to

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make its entrance into this realm.
It's I It's like the force, it

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knows man. Yeah. It Another
thing that Rick Rubin said was that like

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everything in the universe has everything in
the universe produces something. Yeah, everything

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produces something from it. It's everything
has a purpose and from that purpose manifests

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a product bro and cabala Um,
which for anybody who doesn't know what cabala

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is, it's ancient Jewish mysticism,
so like like very esoteric Judaism. That's

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where you get the whole tree of
life and all that um. When I

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first found out about cabala I started
reading some of their texts like the yeff

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Far sets it's the it's hard to
say, the yef Fears that's a raw

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and the Zohar. And in one
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every created object in the material world, it has a hidden, invisible soul,

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which is exactly what you're saying.
Think about this couch. People say,

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a couch doesn't have a soul,
Well, yes it does. What

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is the purpose of the couch?
It has a reason to exists, It

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has a force behind this reality that
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So to say, even though it
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an organic it has an intent to
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That's the soul of the object,
and that could be applied to music

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or anything. Everything truly does have
an invisible spiritual purpose in another place and

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we're just reaching out and someone sat
around, Oh what if I made this?

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You know what. Sorry to cut
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about that physical soul, like non
organic god. Just having that soul is

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when you get into like the family
heirlooms or the lucky tokens, the things

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that you are giving that too on
purpose. Yeah, and then like the

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family heirlooms, where you hold something
inanimate but feel so much, that's rot.

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The Rosa Crucians called that vibroturgy,
which which is like being sensitive to

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the vibrations that are impregnated into an
object. That's the words. And it's

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like, dude, music is the
same. It's the same thing. Well

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art art in general. Yeah,
so so yeah, the thing he says,

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like everything in the universe has a
product. It produces something, and

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like a like a tree, it
produces fruit or or whatever, like a

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vine produces grapes or fruit or whatever. And he says that art is the

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fruit of humanity. It is what
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us. And uh so, when
when you start thinking about art in this

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frame of mind, from this reference
point, you will realize. Like I

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said earlier, I'm sure all of
you have had just an original song pop

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into your head out of nowhere and
you're like, where did that come from?

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a movie, or I know,
like everyone has a creative imagination in some

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way, shape or form. You
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in your brain or whatever it is
that is the fruit trying to find the

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place on the vine where it is
going to be able to spring forth into

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this world. And so every time
you have one of those things pop into

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your head and you don't do anything
with it, the fruit is still ready

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to be ripened and be picked from
the tree. So if it can't find

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its way through you, it's going
to go and find somebody else to come

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through. And you know that's happened
with me many times. I'll hear,

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dude, I M this past year
twenty twenty two, for Casey's birthday,

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I wrote her a song. I
made her a song, and it was

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just like a cute little song whatever, and this melody kind of popped into

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my head and I you know,
I made the whole song in a day.

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It just I'd worked on it,
maybe eight hours or so, and

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I just finished the whole thing and
I gave it to her. And then

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literally like a month or two later, Joji released his new album, and

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there's a song on it with the
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want to know something crazier about Joji, Well, remember all those years ago

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I was doing the mister Hollywood videos. Oh yeah, and then very shortly

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after, Joji comes out with a
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bro, this is what I'm saying. So it doesn't come from us,

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It's coming from another realm art inspiration. Let's be creativity, Yeah exactly,

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creativity. It's coming from a different
elm, or a different layer, or

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or you can even just say inspiration. Yeah exactly, That's what I'm saying.

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And in the ancient Greek Times they
described that by depicting these these like

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beautiful, like inspiring women whispering in
people's ears, whispering in their ears ideas

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and like every invention ever or every
I mean, you know, like we

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talked about how JR. Tolkien,
the entire Hobbit just popped into his head

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and He's like whoa. Okay,
I'm gonna write this downund live the hobbit

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exactly it is. It is art, inspiration, creativity. It comes from

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outside of us, and so the
most it's really weird. But if you

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listen to any actor, any performer, any musician, any artist in any

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capacity, they will all tell you
the key is getting out of your own

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way. Remember in the Nicholas Cage
movie I can't remember the name of it,

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the Unbearable Way of massive talent.
You remember that, and and and

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multiple instances in the film he said
verbatim the shamanic act of acting. Remember,

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yes, he's programming you, you
know, like this is a shaman

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shamanic. It is in every sense
of the word. It is magic.

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We are think about it like a
wizard we were talking about, yeah,

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thinking about I think about it like
a wizard who does subtle rituals to to

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gather magical power. Alex and my
wife fought as wizards the other day on

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one to switch that I want.
Yeah, yes, you did. That's

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profound, man. When you think
about it, Yeah, imagine it like

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a like a wizard. Imagine if
you're an artist. If you're an artist,

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you're like a wizard. You are
pulling something, You're pulling energy from

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another place, and you're materializing it. You are making it appear in this

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realm. Like with art, you're
seeing these these you could say, impressions

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in your mind. And then if
you're gifted like Casey is, you know,

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or whoever out there is gifted to
art, you see these impressions in

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your mind and then your coordination is
so psychically tuned to these impressions your body

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can just manifest it on paper with
paint and dies and all this. And

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like with music, you know,
when you really think out of the box,

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music is only possible because we have
you know, maybe through Pythagoras or

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maybe even the ancients beyond him,
discovered the principles of vibration and frequency,

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did a little bit of math,
figured out these scales, and then created

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these gadgets. I mean, instruments
are like gadgets to harness these vibrations and

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capture them into the material world.
And when you really think about it,

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it is psychic medium ship recording a
song because you're creating these arrangements of truly

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pre existing frequencies and vibrations, but
you're capturing it and like almost telling a

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story with it. Oh yeah,
man, I mean everything. One of

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the things I've learned doing the show
is that everything is metaphorical. Everything has

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a higher meaning. You know,
everything tells a story. Everything, every

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everything, everything has a subconscious layer
of symbolism, myth, and ritual.

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That's what I learned in my religious
studies in college. I took a class.

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It was called let me think of
the name, Yeah, religion in

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movies. I don't know, but
I don't know the name of the class.

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But the purpose of the class was. It was technically a night class,

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so we met once a week,
but it was for like three hours,

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and every class we would watch a
movie. And we were watching stuff

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like The Godfather, The Matrix,
and lots of other movies like some Gilliam

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Terry Gilliam. Does that sound right? No, I don't, he's a

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big director. But anyway, we
were watching these movies and then we would

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have to do these templates where we
had to analyze the symbolism, the myth,

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and the ritual. Not necessarily ritual
like they're in robes and plenty hats

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and doing spells. That's not the
that's not what the definition of ritual was.

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But what's up your spot on with
the director Terry Gilliam. He's a

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huge director. What is he directed? He's a British filmmaker. Let's see,

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he makes kooky money, Python,
Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas,

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Oh my god, Life of Brian
Parnassis, maybe Doctor Parnassus. Oh those

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are really I'm just those are some. Yeah, he's a big director,

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and we watched some of his films. They're they're usually koukie. Yeah,

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and he got a lot of like
Christolph Waltz appearances that anyway. So you

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know, in movies there's always a
subconscious myth ritual symbology. I think it's

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the same with art. But I'm
not saying that that's conscious necessarily from the

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creator. No, And I think
in most cases it is subconscious because I

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think I think that the psychic realm, whatever you want to call it,

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symbolic, but it's also subconscious.
I think that's how that's where our real

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psychic abilities they come from, the
subconscious, they come from beneath the surface.

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Think about it, bro, That's
what Carl Yung was trying to say.

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Why do you think every motherfucker dreams
and animals? Yeah? Because it's

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a universal symbol since primeval times.
Yeah, when we're being chased by saber

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tooths and shit. So, like
the subconscious mind operates in symbolism. Animals

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just happen to be universal symbols,
and that's why everybody has an alligator dream

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or a shark dream, or a
bear or a spider or whatever. But

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like what when Nick and I were
talking about this last night, I just

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I had this download. Like,
you know, that makes a lot of

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sense that the symbolism exists in the
realm subconscious. But then when you have

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individuals like us and many others who
are in Rick Rubin, you know,

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look at this book. It's the
alchemical boob when you when you have people

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who are finally not only aware,
knowledgeable of, but in tune with these

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subtle perceptions of the psychic world.
That's why folks like us with our podcast

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Symbolism and Twice Born Symbolism, and
Rick Rubin and many other artists are So

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it's like a compulsion, like a
desperate need to put these symbols on your

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work. And I believe that maybe
when you are an individual who is conscious

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of the of the necessity to incorporate
these occult symbols. It's because the psychic

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power of your creativity is trying to
find some sort of ritualistic ceiling of its

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energy. You know, oh absolutely, yeah, No, I think your

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spot on. But it's unconscious.
It's not no, it's unconscious. It's

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unconscious. It's it's whatever. It's
like, it's like scymatics, it's weird.

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It's like, yeah, it's like
the symbols and the lines and they

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just appear through you. You're like
when it comes to all of this psychic

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stuff, that's that's what you really
have to realize, is that it is

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not you, Like, it's a
different thing. So that's what. Yeah,

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I'm sure everybody has heard all these
artists say you gotta get out of

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your own way, you gotta get
out of your own way. And for

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a long time, like I didn't
even know what that meant. Yeah,

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but what it literally means is get
out of the way and just let it

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help. Be judgmental, be egotistical
about it. That's a problem that I've

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had that Nick's had to guide me
through with like recording drums, and it's

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it's it's not egotistical, Like what
I say, egotistical I mean in the

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reverse way of what you think,
like I'm having a negativity on myself,

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like a judgment like, man,
this isn't good an offer this or that,

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and next like shut the fuck up. Just play what you feel and

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we're gonna play. And most importantly, have fun. Yeah, have fun.

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Enjoy this, dude. We're we're
we're making music together. We've always

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dreamed of this, Like, throw
everything else out the window. If you

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have fun right now, it's gonna
it's gonna happen. And it's true.

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It is true. It's true.
I'm learning that over many of our sessions

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together. And the reason is because
it does not most people when they want

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to get good at an instrument and
when they want to create great works of

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art, even not an instrument anything, what they will do is they will

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practice the techniques. They will and
and that you know, you do have

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to do some of that stuff to
establish a foundation. It's like learning how

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to write. You don't. You
don't start by creating a massive, complex

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story. You start by literally learning
how to write. As a foundation,

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you start with like literally learning the
letters. Yeah, you start with the

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bare minimum basics. But people that
have been engaging in their art form for

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you know, maybe they're they're in
their intermediate phase. They're not quite a

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beginner, they're a little past that. Your first inclination is if I'm going

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to make impressive stuff, I have
to improve my skill level in order to

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match others who have created impressive stuff. It's like tagamal Z power scaling,

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bro. That's how I see it
now, Honestly, yea, Honestly,

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it's like it's a spiritual thing.
It's not a physical thing. It's not

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because I'm learning. Dude. The
more I now that I'm older and more

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mature and I'm trying to take it
really seriously, it's like I'm realizing that

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when I go back. We talked
about this last night. It's like working

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on the super advanced crazy stuff does
not enhance your understanding of the fundamental stuff

406
00:32:22.920 --> 00:32:30.160
in my experience, but working diligently
on the fundamental stuff is like the trunk

407
00:32:30.720 --> 00:32:36.039
that supports the entire tree being able
to nourish absolutely. You know. So

408
00:32:36.200 --> 00:32:40.960
if you if you are looking to
improve your skill level or whatever, rather

409
00:32:42.119 --> 00:32:45.039
than going and saying I got to
learn how to do more difficult stuff,

410
00:32:45.599 --> 00:32:50.119
don't do that. Focus on the
basics. Focus on the foundations like what

411
00:32:50.200 --> 00:32:52.039
we were talking about last night with
drums. We were like, you can

412
00:32:52.079 --> 00:32:55.279
do the most impressive stuff in the
world if you're not in the pocket,

413
00:32:55.599 --> 00:32:59.920
which for those of you who don't
understand as a when you're a drummer,

414
00:33:00.920 --> 00:33:04.880
you're the backbone of the music.
If you are not on time, pocket

415
00:33:05.000 --> 00:33:09.119
means but it just essentially means the
groove, you know, the main groove

416
00:33:09.359 --> 00:33:14.319
that's carrying forward the song, not
all the fancy fills and all that crazy

417
00:33:14.319 --> 00:33:16.640
shit. The pockets, the basic
part of the drums. Yeah, like

418
00:33:17.160 --> 00:33:22.519
you can, you can play the
most technically simple thing in the world,

419
00:33:22.599 --> 00:33:25.960
but if you are perfectly in that
pocket, it is gonna move people,

420
00:33:27.720 --> 00:33:30.319
move people. One of the best
examples of that that that every time I

421
00:33:30.400 --> 00:33:35.119
hear this song and there's there's a
bar downtown and my wife and I like

422
00:33:35.200 --> 00:33:37.759
to go downtown and walk sometimes,
and every you know, every time at

423
00:33:37.839 --> 00:33:40.599
night I walk by this bar,
there's these cheesy little live well I shouldn't

424
00:33:40.599 --> 00:33:45.319
say cheesy, but I just mean
like little live performers who are paid by

425
00:33:45.359 --> 00:33:50.400
the this U restaurant. And every
time I walk by at night, there

426
00:33:50.559 --> 00:33:58.400
is always a live band that plays
brickhouse. She's a brick Go listen to

427
00:33:58.480 --> 00:34:00.640
the pocket on that and tell me
it doesn't just move you to your soul.

428
00:34:00.839 --> 00:34:07.480
It's simple, it is, so
it's but it's yeah, but like

429
00:34:07.680 --> 00:34:12.159
when you hear a drummer play that
exactly in the pocket, Yeah, you're

430
00:34:12.239 --> 00:34:15.320
like he is not even doing anything
crazy right now, but like I want

431
00:34:15.360 --> 00:34:21.639
to move Yeah, that's that's the
foundation. There's a pocket in surfing too,

432
00:34:21.880 --> 00:34:24.840
it really, and it's what moves
you way. You're not in the

433
00:34:24.960 --> 00:34:30.159
pocket, you're not going forward.
Well, so surfing is art, So

434
00:34:30.760 --> 00:34:35.679
so what specifically is the pocket like
as is it like a state of mind

435
00:34:35.800 --> 00:34:39.880
or a literally a standpo It's a
spot on the wave that generates the momentum,

436
00:34:40.400 --> 00:34:45.960
So you would you basically like surfing
is going in and out of that

437
00:34:45.119 --> 00:34:49.159
pocket. But you always have to
come back to that pocket if you want

438
00:34:49.199 --> 00:34:52.079
to keep moving forward. If you
go too far out in front of it

439
00:34:52.239 --> 00:34:54.760
or too far behind it, you're
gonna lose the wave. Dude. That's

440
00:34:54.800 --> 00:34:59.280
cool, man, It's crazy the
amount of parallels there are. Man,

441
00:34:59.400 --> 00:35:01.840
It's like the whole life imitates art
thing. That's because life is art.

442
00:35:02.079 --> 00:35:07.800
Like literally, every honestly is art. Nothing but respect from surfing because I

443
00:35:07.039 --> 00:35:15.000
see that as like you're you're harnessing
the power of gravity and nature and you're

444
00:35:15.199 --> 00:35:20.719
literally just writing a wave like flying
over wall. It's amazing, it's incredible.

445
00:35:20.920 --> 00:35:22.400
It's just like ice skating. You
you might not know that, you

446
00:35:22.440 --> 00:35:25.519
know, it's fun. Man,
think about how long that wave traveled?

447
00:35:25.840 --> 00:35:30.079
Oh to be surf like thousands of
miles? Maybe wow? Do they really?

448
00:35:30.400 --> 00:35:36.880
Yeah? Man? Whoa like especially
some of the bigger breaks like that.

449
00:35:37.719 --> 00:35:40.559
Honestly, that is mind blowing.
And then you like and it's never

450
00:35:40.800 --> 00:35:45.199
that one wave is never going to
break again. You just surfed it.

451
00:35:45.559 --> 00:35:50.159
That's spiritual, dude, It's definitely
spiritual. Yeah, yeah, no,

452
00:35:50.599 --> 00:35:52.840
it absolutely A thousand percent is that's
That's That's what I'm saying, dude.

453
00:35:53.079 --> 00:35:57.960
Like everything is art. Everything in
the world is art. And and so

454
00:35:59.079 --> 00:36:00.840
when when you say, like get
out of your own way, what that

455
00:36:01.039 --> 00:36:07.840
means is allow yourself to be a
vessel the artist not I know. You

456
00:36:07.920 --> 00:36:12.960
know a lot of people take pride
in their art, and that's great.

457
00:36:13.159 --> 00:36:15.920
You should. You should take pride, but don't take pride for the wrong

458
00:36:16.000 --> 00:36:20.440
reasons. Don't take pride because like
I came up with this sick thing,

459
00:36:20.599 --> 00:36:25.079
bro, It's like, no,
be proud that you were used as a

460
00:36:25.239 --> 00:36:30.480
vessel. Take take pride in the
accomplishment through your effort. Yeah, but

461
00:36:30.599 --> 00:36:35.880
don't. But but my a big
thing that I've realized is so key is

462
00:36:36.239 --> 00:36:38.920
never comparing yourself to other artists or
own missions, because it's not about that.

463
00:36:39.400 --> 00:36:43.559
And what did I tell you,
man? When when we when we

464
00:36:43.639 --> 00:36:49.800
first started working on this uh twice
born, I was debating on whether or

465
00:36:49.840 --> 00:36:52.679
not we should announced the thing,
but we won't yet. But when we

466
00:36:52.760 --> 00:36:58.800
started working on it, one thing
that Ryan kept coming back with was like,

467
00:36:59.480 --> 00:37:01.760
man, I just think that like
so and so is better And I'm

468
00:37:01.800 --> 00:37:06.079
just trying to get to where,
like I'm I can at least be like

469
00:37:06.400 --> 00:37:08.760
this good, and like is anything
that I'm coming up with, Like is

470
00:37:08.800 --> 00:37:13.280
this even good? Like I feel
like it could be so much better this

471
00:37:13.559 --> 00:37:15.679
that the other, Like I feel
like someone else could do this better.

472
00:37:16.159 --> 00:37:22.599
And the thing that I told you
was nobody on the planet can make whatever

473
00:37:22.679 --> 00:37:24.719
you're going to make. Nobody I
don't. And that's not that has nothing

474
00:37:24.800 --> 00:37:29.800
to do with skill. It has
everything to do with the psychic realm,

475
00:37:30.480 --> 00:37:37.039
the downloads, the perspective is huge
because now this is where it gets real

476
00:37:37.199 --> 00:37:43.639
magical. Is so these ideas come
to you right as we call them downloads,

477
00:37:43.840 --> 00:37:46.639
inspirations, you can call them whatever
you want to call them. Then

478
00:37:47.039 --> 00:37:52.559
from that point forward, I see
it as you are being honored with an

479
00:37:52.599 --> 00:37:59.559
opportunity to bring something into this world. And so you now have the responsibility

480
00:38:00.119 --> 00:38:07.079
of bringing that idea into the world. But every moment leading up to that

481
00:38:07.320 --> 00:38:10.760
moment in your life is going to
in some way influence what comes next,

482
00:38:10.960 --> 00:38:17.079
how you manifest that thing into the
world. Every time that a girl dumped

483
00:38:17.079 --> 00:38:21.400
you after a date and you explode
it a CD in your hand, every

484
00:38:21.519 --> 00:38:29.079
kiss you've ever had, every time
you played freaking Hopscotch, everything influences your

485
00:38:29.199 --> 00:38:34.159
creations. And because of that,
no one in the world will ever make

486
00:38:34.199 --> 00:38:38.199
the art that you're going to produce. That being said, if you feel

487
00:38:38.360 --> 00:38:44.199
called to art in any way,
shape or form, look at it as

488
00:38:44.280 --> 00:38:46.920
a blessing. Look at it as
a gift, so that you are being

489
00:38:47.039 --> 00:38:57.360
blessed with a gift. Because too
many inspiration is fickle, it's so temporary,

490
00:38:57.480 --> 00:39:02.000
it's so unreliable, you could even
say, because you know it doesn't

491
00:39:02.119 --> 00:39:06.679
mash up with your schedule, right, it's like, hey, Manna,

492
00:39:06.760 --> 00:39:09.480
we're gonna get together on these days
and we're gonna write some songs together or

493
00:39:09.519 --> 00:39:15.079
whatever. It's like, okay,
but that doesn't mean that the ideas are

494
00:39:15.119 --> 00:39:17.800
going to come to you just because
you scheduled it out. That is why

495
00:39:19.280 --> 00:39:25.519
it's so important that when these downloads
come, you capture them somehow. It

496
00:39:25.639 --> 00:39:30.440
doesn't matter how you capture them.
It is your responsibility as an artist to

497
00:39:30.719 --> 00:39:36.960
capture it. So literally, earlier
today, I've been trying to work out

498
00:39:37.079 --> 00:39:39.920
this part in a specific in a
song that we're going to be recording today,

499
00:39:40.159 --> 00:39:45.239
and there's one part that I'm like
trying to figure out, and so

500
00:39:45.400 --> 00:39:47.519
I was like, you know what, I have a little bit of downtime,

501
00:39:47.599 --> 00:39:51.280
let me try to figure this out. I took a little walk outside

502
00:39:51.440 --> 00:39:53.960
barefoot. I just looked around at
the trees and like just kind of just

503
00:39:54.039 --> 00:40:00.239
walking around. And I wasn't even
thinking about the song. I wasn't thinking

504
00:40:00.280 --> 00:40:06.920
about anything. I was emptying my
mind, empty your mind, Yeah,

505
00:40:07.000 --> 00:40:09.880
yeah, I was emptying be water, water my friend. Yeah. I

506
00:40:10.440 --> 00:40:16.440
emptied everything in my mind and I
made room for something to come in and

507
00:40:17.639 --> 00:40:21.800
on my way back, walking back
here, something popped into my mind.

508
00:40:22.719 --> 00:40:29.239
There are ways that you can train, you can like like like fine tune

509
00:40:29.280 --> 00:40:32.119
the antenna. There are things that
you can do to fine tune that antenna.

510
00:40:32.519 --> 00:40:37.239
And so it's so funny because a
lot of musicians, a lot of

511
00:40:37.320 --> 00:40:40.960
producers, when they're trying to create
a great work, they'll do one of

512
00:40:42.000 --> 00:40:45.880
a few chemical terms. Yeah,
great work, the great work, and

513
00:40:45.440 --> 00:40:49.719
that is you know, you know
what great work is when you hear that

514
00:40:50.079 --> 00:40:53.400
when in the context of art,
you know, it's things like the Iliot

515
00:40:53.440 --> 00:40:59.519
in the Odyssey, Uh, citizen
Kane, you know like that. You

516
00:41:00.039 --> 00:41:02.239
know, the great works when you
hear them, see them, whatever,

517
00:41:02.280 --> 00:41:07.079
when you experience them. So,
if that's your goal is to make a

518
00:41:07.159 --> 00:41:12.000
great work, most musicians, producers, whoever it is, they'll do one

519
00:41:12.000 --> 00:41:15.840
of a few things. They'll say, Okay, so what's the genre that

520
00:41:15.920 --> 00:41:19.960
we're trying to be? What what
are we trying to sound like, what

521
00:41:20.079 --> 00:41:22.840
are we trying to look like?
Who are the inspirations? And what do

522
00:41:22.960 --> 00:41:27.719
we need to do to push the
envelope and really impress people. And they'll

523
00:41:27.719 --> 00:41:32.320
sit around and they'll toil on those
ideas and they'll they'll try to. They'll

524
00:41:32.400 --> 00:41:37.400
use different equipment, different whatever to
try to get you know, a quote

525
00:41:37.480 --> 00:41:45.320
unquote better sound. The beauty of
somebody like Rick Rubin is that when when

526
00:41:45.400 --> 00:41:51.920
he's in a room that is collectively
experiencing writer's block, he takes the exact

527
00:41:51.960 --> 00:41:55.159
opposite approach. He takes the approach
that like a yogi would take or a

528
00:41:55.320 --> 00:41:59.639
guru would take. He's like,
all right, let's do let's get a

529
00:41:59.719 --> 00:42:04.159
change of scenery. Let's let's go
outside being the sun for a little while.

530
00:42:04.239 --> 00:42:07.760
Let's come back in sage the room. Let's uh, why don't you

531
00:42:07.880 --> 00:42:09.840
just like try to, you know, pick up a book off the wall,

532
00:42:12.079 --> 00:42:15.320
flip open to a page, read
the first thing that you see,

533
00:42:15.960 --> 00:42:17.840
and it'll most likely speak to you
in some way. You want to hear

534
00:42:17.840 --> 00:42:22.559
a crazy story about that. Yes, little band that Ryan and I are

535
00:42:22.639 --> 00:42:27.119
obsessed with. Little band you might
have heard of called System of a Down.

536
00:42:28.119 --> 00:42:30.880
They had an album, little album
you might have heard of, called

537
00:42:31.000 --> 00:42:35.679
Toxicity Amazing. I think it's their
best album. Guess who produced it,

538
00:42:35.880 --> 00:42:37.639
Rick Rubin? Yes, And it
was like the platinum rock and roll album

539
00:42:37.719 --> 00:42:40.960
of two thousand and one. It's
one of the most groundbreaking albums ever released.

540
00:42:42.119 --> 00:42:45.800
Yeah, how about this? What's
the what's the song off of that

541
00:42:45.880 --> 00:42:50.360
album Toxicity? Well know, I
mean, I mean it's the viral one.

542
00:42:50.480 --> 00:42:53.719
How about this? This is crazy? This is crazy, dude.

543
00:42:54.039 --> 00:42:59.719
I've heard chop sue. Everyone has
Angels Deserve too. How about this?

544
00:43:00.760 --> 00:43:06.719
They get all the way up to
the part before the final like why have

545
00:43:06.800 --> 00:43:09.639
you forsaken? Like they get they
get all the way by the way hold

546
00:43:09.760 --> 00:43:15.000
up, okay, hold up up. Yeah, they get all the way

547
00:43:15.159 --> 00:43:20.599
up to right before that part,
and everybody in the room freezes. They're

548
00:43:20.599 --> 00:43:24.559
all like, wait, what what
what comes next? Like? What what

549
00:43:24.639 --> 00:43:28.280
do we do? What do we
do? After that? It was surged

550
00:43:28.360 --> 00:43:34.880
specifically was like I vocals. Yeah. Yeah. He's like, I don't.

551
00:43:35.280 --> 00:43:37.480
I don't know what the next lyric
is. I'm I don't. I'm

552
00:43:37.519 --> 00:43:42.239
not finding the inspiration. I just
don't know. Like I've tried some things

553
00:43:42.320 --> 00:43:45.679
and none of it works, And
like, I've been toiling over these lyrics

554
00:43:45.760 --> 00:43:50.760
for months. I can't figure out
this part Rick Rubin. He says,

555
00:43:51.599 --> 00:43:54.559
pick a book off the wall,
any book. He grabbed a book.

556
00:43:54.880 --> 00:43:59.039
He goes open it to a page, look at me in the eye,

557
00:43:59.320 --> 00:44:02.760
and point your finger on the page
he opened the book. He points his

558
00:44:02.840 --> 00:44:07.960
finger, he looks down, Father, into your hands. I commend my

559
00:44:07.079 --> 00:44:09.880
spirit, Father, into your hands. Why have you forsaken me? You

560
00:44:09.920 --> 00:44:14.199
know what? That's from the Bible, the Bible. Yeah, when he's

561
00:44:14.239 --> 00:44:15.800
on the cross, Yeah, why
have you? Why have you forsaken me?

562
00:44:15.880 --> 00:44:19.719
Father? Into your hands? I
commend my spirit, which is which

563
00:44:19.840 --> 00:44:23.519
is arguably like the big climax of
the song. It's yeah, why have

564
00:44:23.880 --> 00:44:29.880
you force? It's like the big
in your arm. Yes for say,

565
00:44:30.039 --> 00:44:35.519
dude, and then it talks about
becoming the sun. Dude. It's so

566
00:44:36.320 --> 00:44:39.840
weird that he was just like boom
point. But what is that? What?

567
00:44:40.079 --> 00:44:45.800
But again, that's just evidence of
for people who have incredible artistic or

568
00:44:45.880 --> 00:44:49.960
creative or I mean, let's just
call it what it is, psychic potential,

569
00:44:50.360 --> 00:44:53.559
because art is truly manifested, you
know, from another place. That

570
00:44:53.719 --> 00:45:00.400
just goes to show that there are
higher forces that are subconsciously compelling the person

571
00:45:00.079 --> 00:45:06.360
to capture the essence of the mysticism
to enhance the art. Because do we

572
00:45:06.400 --> 00:45:08.599
talk about this on the show all
the time? Art that's mystical art,

573
00:45:08.679 --> 00:45:15.039
that's symbolic, it's way better.
And I think that is because they're drawing

574
00:45:15.199 --> 00:45:17.199
from the true source. That's what
he calls it in the In the book,

575
00:45:17.239 --> 00:45:21.280
he calls it the source because he's
like, no one knows what it

576
00:45:21.440 --> 00:45:25.039
is. Nobody knows what it is. We know it comes from our collective

577
00:45:25.119 --> 00:45:30.679
consciousness, because these things only appear
to humans from what we understand. So

578
00:45:30.840 --> 00:45:34.480
we know it comes from the collective
consciousness, but we don't know what it

579
00:45:34.639 --> 00:45:37.320
is, where it is, how
it works, if it obeys the rules

580
00:45:37.360 --> 00:45:42.079
of time, which like he thinks
it doesn't and like it can't, time

581
00:45:42.239 --> 00:45:45.199
is literally a human construct it.
You know, it doesn't really exist.

582
00:45:45.320 --> 00:45:50.719
Time is a big ball, but
you know it. You have to you

583
00:45:50.840 --> 00:45:55.239
have to understand and accept that it's
not you. If you are an artist,

584
00:45:55.800 --> 00:46:00.719
you're it might sound a little weird, but you're a tool. You

585
00:46:00.840 --> 00:46:06.039
are a You are a utensil,
like you're a vessel. You're a vessel

586
00:46:06.159 --> 00:46:10.639
for it to flow. It's almost
like the human operating the instrument is another

587
00:46:12.039 --> 00:46:17.079
inst multilayered instruments that force of music. Absolutely, I fully, fully believe

588
00:46:17.159 --> 00:46:22.840
that, like we ourselves are instruments, and the things that we call instruments

589
00:46:22.280 --> 00:46:28.920
are man made extensions of our bodies
that allow us to just capture vibrations,

590
00:46:29.000 --> 00:46:37.960
capture the vibration. What what capture
vibrations mathematically? Bet? Yeah, what

591
00:46:37.039 --> 00:46:45.800
are you gigging about? My bodily
instrument makes some vibrations sometimes explain yourself please,

592
00:46:45.079 --> 00:46:50.039
like, yeah, why don't you
go into excruciating detail? And you

593
00:46:50.119 --> 00:46:52.559
know what, while we're saying weird
shit, I just have to say I've

594
00:46:52.559 --> 00:46:58.719
always been obsessed with rock, hard
rock and roll. Alright, alright,

595
00:46:59.199 --> 00:47:02.960
dude, rock card bro't Yes?
Yes, I think it's so funny by

596
00:47:02.960 --> 00:47:07.039
the way that it was like rock, and then what's harder than a rock?

597
00:47:07.079 --> 00:47:10.039
Like hard rock? Yeah? And
then like, what's even harder than

598
00:47:10.159 --> 00:47:15.000
like a really hard rock metal?
Yeah? It's like, what's harder than

599
00:47:15.079 --> 00:47:19.239
that heavy metal? Oh right,
yeah, it's like heavy dude, it's

600
00:47:19.280 --> 00:47:25.599
like what's after twice born? No, okay, I got another fun example.

601
00:47:25.639 --> 00:47:29.079
I told you this about this one
already, Alex. Are you familiar

602
00:47:29.159 --> 00:47:31.920
with the song ninety nine Problems?
Yes? Okay, So how about this?

603
00:47:32.119 --> 00:47:36.480
Do you remember how the song starts? Maybe by chance, it's it's

604
00:47:36.559 --> 00:47:40.519
really iconic how it starts. Do
you know off the top it's a piano?

605
00:47:40.920 --> 00:47:44.760
No, no, no, no
it So I'll just tell you the

606
00:47:44.800 --> 00:47:47.599
story. So Rick Rubin was working
with jay Z at the time. This

607
00:47:47.800 --> 00:47:52.519
was like the height of jay Z's
career. It's actually right before the height

608
00:47:52.880 --> 00:47:55.239
of jay Z's career because when he
released this album that he worked with Rick

609
00:47:55.320 --> 00:48:00.719
on, that's when he really exploded. Um, I mean, he was

610
00:48:00.760 --> 00:48:04.639
definitely huge before that. But anyway, they're working on ninety nine Problems and

611
00:48:04.840 --> 00:48:07.400
jay Z is like, you know, stuck. He's like, I don't

612
00:48:07.400 --> 00:48:09.599
I don't know how to like,
I just don't know how the song starts.

613
00:48:09.679 --> 00:48:13.719
I don't know how it starts.
You're talking about the lyrics, Yeah,

614
00:48:13.880 --> 00:48:16.039
it starts acapella. Yeah, I
know it starts. So he's like,

615
00:48:16.079 --> 00:48:19.480
I don't, I don't know how
the song starts, and and uh

616
00:48:19.800 --> 00:48:22.239
and whatever. And Rick's like,
let's go outside for a minute. Let's

617
00:48:22.320 --> 00:48:27.039
just step in nature, meditate for
a second. Nobody talked, nobody do

618
00:48:27.119 --> 00:48:30.239
anything, and and the funny thing
is is like that's jay Z was obviously

619
00:48:30.360 --> 00:48:34.719
like, all right, that's a
little woo woo like or you know or

620
00:48:34.800 --> 00:48:37.719
whatever. But he's like this dude
has Grammys all around his house from working

621
00:48:37.760 --> 00:48:40.480
with Johnny Cash. By the way, he looks like a hobo. Oh

622
00:48:40.559 --> 00:48:45.280
yeah, he looks like he wears
greasy shirts and he's barefoot all the time,

623
00:48:45.320 --> 00:48:47.519
and he's got huge hair and whatever. So he's like, let's go

624
00:48:47.599 --> 00:48:52.199
outside, let's walk around for a
little bit and don't talk nobody, you

625
00:48:52.280 --> 00:48:57.679
know, just just make room for
inspiration. Comes back inside sages the place

626
00:48:58.280 --> 00:49:00.400
and they're sitting there for a minute. He sits down on the couch and

627
00:49:00.480 --> 00:49:01.880
he's just like bobbing his head like
this, and then he goes, oh,

628
00:49:02.079 --> 00:49:05.679
dude. He's like, oh,
what if what if it starts off

629
00:49:05.719 --> 00:49:09.519
Acapello? And jay Z's like,
what do you mean? And he's and

630
00:49:09.639 --> 00:49:14.960
then he just wraps it acapello and
then he's like hit me. And then

631
00:49:15.039 --> 00:49:17.760
the song starts and jay Z's like, oh, that's it. That's gotta

632
00:49:17.800 --> 00:49:22.679
be it. It's one of the
most iconic songs, like, it's probably

633
00:49:22.800 --> 00:49:25.239
jay Z's biggest song ever, and
that's how it starts, and it's because

634
00:49:25.480 --> 00:49:30.719
Rick Rubin made room for the inspiration. So it's so funny, like the

635
00:49:30.840 --> 00:49:37.280
way we all try to get better
at art is actually so counterintuitive to making

636
00:49:37.440 --> 00:49:39.320
true great art. It's ego.
But you know, when you put it

637
00:49:39.360 --> 00:49:43.719
in those terms, you got to
remove the ego from it and just allow

638
00:49:44.400 --> 00:49:49.840
the pure meditative state of receptivity.
Yeah. Another thing is like a like

639
00:49:50.320 --> 00:49:52.840
childish Gambino. One of his biggest
songs ever is called three thousand and five.

640
00:49:53.280 --> 00:49:58.320
He's like, I woke up with
that song in my head, and

641
00:49:58.400 --> 00:50:01.039
you're in a fetus state when you
first wake up exactly. Oh yeah,

642
00:50:01.079 --> 00:50:05.239
I learned another really bizarre thing the
other day, dude. The day our

643
00:50:05.280 --> 00:50:08.440
song came out, I like pulled
out my phone and started streaming it,

644
00:50:08.920 --> 00:50:14.119
and I almost had a panic attack
because I was like, this sounds way

645
00:50:14.199 --> 00:50:15.480
too fast. I was like,
I don't I don't know. I thought

646
00:50:15.480 --> 00:50:19.639
the same thing, dude. I
woke up yesterday and my wife started playing

647
00:50:19.679 --> 00:50:22.119
it and I was like in a
half asleep state, and I said,

648
00:50:22.320 --> 00:50:27.519
are you is that sped up?
Dude? This is weird. This is

649
00:50:27.639 --> 00:50:31.920
really really it doesn't make sense to
me, but apparent I googled it because

650
00:50:32.039 --> 00:50:36.039
that happened more than once. I
would wake up listen to it and I

651
00:50:36.119 --> 00:50:37.800
would be like, why does this
sound so fast? And then I'd go

652
00:50:37.880 --> 00:50:40.599
and make coffee and eat and go
sit down and listen to it again,

653
00:50:40.639 --> 00:50:45.400
and I'm like, oh, okay, it sounds normal. Now, that

654
00:50:45.519 --> 00:50:49.119
was weird whatever. I thought that, like, maybe it was something with

655
00:50:49.280 --> 00:50:52.280
the program I was playing the music
through or something like that I did.

656
00:50:52.360 --> 00:50:55.960
I had no idea. So it
happened the other day after our song released,

657
00:50:57.039 --> 00:51:00.239
so yesterday, right, and I
was like, oh no, what

658
00:51:00.440 --> 00:51:05.119
happened? Like why does it sound
so fast? I googled it and apparently

659
00:51:05.519 --> 00:51:13.119
when you're fresh from rim sleep,
you hear things at higher speeds and higher

660
00:51:13.199 --> 00:51:16.760
pitches than they actually are in That's
so weird that we had the same experience

661
00:51:16.880 --> 00:51:22.000
of this. Well it is.
It is very weird, and it turns

662
00:51:22.039 --> 00:51:27.000
out it's like a real thing.
I googled it and there's tons of people

663
00:51:27.039 --> 00:51:30.280
online talking about why does everything sound
faster when I first wake up? You

664
00:51:30.320 --> 00:51:31.639
know what's the funny part about that? Is Nick and I? Okay?

665
00:51:31.679 --> 00:51:37.760
So again, the date today is
January twenty eighth, Saturday. Our song

666
00:51:37.880 --> 00:51:43.239
came out yesterday from our time here
recording January twenty seventh. But Thursday night,

667
00:51:43.360 --> 00:51:45.360
we both, you know, from
our remote locations. We kept checking

668
00:51:45.360 --> 00:51:47.400
on each other, like every hour
you still await, you still away.

669
00:51:47.760 --> 00:51:52.239
We played video games together till like
nine thirty, and then I'm gonna keep

670
00:51:52.280 --> 00:51:55.599
texting you till midnight, And we
stayed up till midnight and then texted at

671
00:51:55.679 --> 00:51:59.800
midnight. Got a lot of comments, messages, things like that we're engaging

672
00:51:59.800 --> 00:52:01.400
with people. I stayed up to
two am listening to the song on repeat

673
00:52:01.559 --> 00:52:06.400
and had phones while talking to people
in our discord about the song. Yeah,

674
00:52:06.800 --> 00:52:09.400
go to sleep, wake up at
like seven thirty. My wife is

675
00:52:09.480 --> 00:52:13.280
just waking up and hearing it released
for the first time, and I'm telling

676
00:52:13.280 --> 00:52:15.280
you, it sounded three times as
fast, and I panicked. Pan I

677
00:52:15.360 --> 00:52:17.480
literally was like, are you speeding
that up? That doesn't sound right,

678
00:52:17.480 --> 00:52:21.280
and she laughed at me. Yeah. I was freaked out. I was

679
00:52:21.280 --> 00:52:23.519
like, I do not remember playing
this ship that fast exactly. And it's

680
00:52:23.559 --> 00:52:28.679
fast already, It's very fast.
It's supposed to be a fast song,

681
00:52:29.199 --> 00:52:31.639
but like I heard it and I
was like, that's impossibly fast. Yeah,

682
00:52:31.679 --> 00:52:35.119
Like I cannot play this. How
did I do this? Yeah exactly.

683
00:52:35.159 --> 00:52:37.599
I was like something has to have
gone wrong here. Yeah, that's

684
00:52:37.639 --> 00:52:40.519
weird that we had that. I
wonder if that has anything to do with

685
00:52:40.639 --> 00:52:44.760
like the whole don't talk to me
until I've had my coffee thing. Oh,

686
00:52:45.000 --> 00:52:47.159
bro, gotta be wow, because
you're in a it's proven you are

687
00:52:47.320 --> 00:52:51.440
in a FATA brain wave state,
and then you wake up talking to you

688
00:52:51.559 --> 00:52:55.239
normally and it's just like you're talking. I can't handle. Yeah, I'm

689
00:52:55.280 --> 00:52:58.760
a bad I'm bad for that.
I'll tell my wife all the time,

690
00:52:58.800 --> 00:53:01.000
so you know, she she's got
the Capricorn brain. I'll wake up She's

691
00:53:01.000 --> 00:53:04.880
like, we need to do this
as and I'm like, stop, give

692
00:53:04.960 --> 00:53:10.119
me an I love you. Yeah
stop it is it is so I don't

693
00:53:10.239 --> 00:53:15.440
that's just like a weird random phenomenon. But um, yeah, the point

694
00:53:15.559 --> 00:53:21.880
the point here is that I think, at least for me, I have

695
00:53:22.079 --> 00:53:27.239
I'll just speak from my own perspective. I have been thinking about art the

696
00:53:27.360 --> 00:53:31.880
wrong way my whole life, and
just within the past you know, year

697
00:53:32.159 --> 00:53:37.920
or two because because so this is
I honestly had like you know why,

698
00:53:37.079 --> 00:53:40.440
right, what what? Because we're
finally actually making it, That's what I'm

699
00:53:40.440 --> 00:53:45.679
saying. So we're perceiving it in
a deeper way. It's weird because like,

700
00:53:45.800 --> 00:53:51.039
I never I never fully stopped making
music, even for the like four

701
00:53:51.199 --> 00:53:53.559
or five years where I wasn't making
metal music. I was making like low

702
00:53:53.639 --> 00:53:59.760
fi and hip hop and like electronic
music. Just it's just always like I've

703
00:54:00.119 --> 00:54:01.800
always had to do it. It
was in frequent, it was infrequent,

704
00:54:01.920 --> 00:54:07.320
but I just it always just kind
of came out of me, and I

705
00:54:07.559 --> 00:54:14.159
never I never like consciously noticed,
but it was always coming through downloads always.

706
00:54:14.880 --> 00:54:19.119
But the thing that would happen would
be I would have the download and

707
00:54:19.360 --> 00:54:23.199
then I would kind of fill in
the rest on my own and just like,

708
00:54:23.360 --> 00:54:28.199
Okay, so I got that part
from inspiration, and I'll just like

709
00:54:28.559 --> 00:54:30.440
fill out the rest with what,
like I think would sound pretty good or

710
00:54:30.480 --> 00:54:36.519
whatever with the process. And I'm
not gonna go too deep on this because

711
00:54:37.400 --> 00:54:42.000
you know what, dude, let's
just announce it. You announce what the

712
00:54:42.199 --> 00:54:45.760
twice the twice four? All right, we have an EP coming out.

713
00:54:46.480 --> 00:54:52.000
We have an EP, We have
six songs. I'm very excited. Yeah

714
00:54:52.199 --> 00:54:54.239
versus. Yeah, Today we're going
to record our final drum track and then

715
00:54:54.280 --> 00:54:58.880
it's just downhill from there. Yeah, it is, it is. We've

716
00:54:58.920 --> 00:55:04.599
been conceptual realizing this for two years. Yeah, from the very moment that

717
00:55:04.719 --> 00:55:08.880
we've been conceptualizing the podcast, we've
been conceptualizing this. Yeah, but music,

718
00:55:08.960 --> 00:55:13.519
as it turns out, takes a
lot more TLC. It does,

719
00:55:13.840 --> 00:55:20.480
and really that's because we're learning as
tender loving care. Yeah yeah, uh,

720
00:55:21.000 --> 00:55:23.719
it really does, and but that's
that's because we're learning how to do

721
00:55:23.880 --> 00:55:29.079
it ourselves. What you guys heard
with that single and what you're going to

722
00:55:29.199 --> 00:55:32.880
hear on the rest of our EP, which we hope to have out the

723
00:55:34.079 --> 00:55:37.519
last Friday of March, last Friday
of March, that's our goal. But

724
00:55:37.639 --> 00:55:42.880
we're gonna forgive ourselves if you can't
going to be able to. But anyway,

725
00:55:43.280 --> 00:55:46.920
it's up until this point, you
know, we've made music here and

726
00:55:46.960 --> 00:55:51.440
there, whatever, YadA, YadA
YadA. But now that we're finally doing

727
00:55:51.519 --> 00:55:58.039
this together, it took a long
time for us to learn how to do

728
00:55:58.119 --> 00:56:01.360
everything ourselves. What you got I
have heard in Covellini's the single and what

729
00:56:01.519 --> 00:56:08.119
you'll hear on the full EP is
literally for most part it's one hundred.

730
00:56:08.320 --> 00:56:12.440
There are some features, they're gonna
be some features, but other than features,

731
00:56:13.679 --> 00:56:19.079
Ryan and I did everything everything everything
you hear, like, we played

732
00:56:19.079 --> 00:56:22.440
all the instruments, I did the
vocals. I'm producing everything myself, and

733
00:56:22.599 --> 00:56:28.960
like I've been producing music for a
decade or more, but like as a

734
00:56:29.039 --> 00:56:35.199
hobby for fun, for fun,
never to do like a full serious release.

735
00:56:35.679 --> 00:56:37.599
I would release things on SoundCloud,
like little songs that make or whatever,

736
00:56:37.679 --> 00:56:39.880
but this was the first time it
was like, no, this is

737
00:56:39.920 --> 00:56:44.639
gonna be real and those are good. By the way, if it's monogne

738
00:56:44.880 --> 00:56:46.079
m O N O G O N, isn't there a period at the end?

739
00:56:46.320 --> 00:56:49.440
Yeah? I think so, But
y'all should go check that out like

740
00:56:49.519 --> 00:56:52.920
it's it's there's some great beats,
yeah and there, thank you. I

741
00:56:52.960 --> 00:56:55.440
appreciate that, and most of most
of it is like just psychic downloads.

742
00:56:55.519 --> 00:56:59.639
That was one of my favorite parts
about making beats is I could just do

743
00:56:59.760 --> 00:57:01.639
it. It would just come out
of me real quick and then boom,

744
00:57:01.719 --> 00:57:07.480
it's done and that's it. You
know. Um with Twice Born it was

745
00:57:07.639 --> 00:57:08.840
very different, but you know,
one hundred percent of it is me and

746
00:57:08.960 --> 00:57:12.840
Ryan. It's it is us making
everything. So it took a long time

747
00:57:12.880 --> 00:57:15.360
to figure out how to do it
all. We know now how to do

748
00:57:15.440 --> 00:57:19.519
it all, and now we're just
finishing so it'll it'll be out soon.

749
00:57:19.679 --> 00:57:22.480
But um, we are gonna do
when when the EP comes out, We're

750
00:57:22.519 --> 00:57:29.360
gonna do an episode with you guys
where we go over every song and we

751
00:57:29.519 --> 00:57:34.320
talk about all of the good little
esoteric goodies. We've spent a lot of

752
00:57:34.440 --> 00:57:38.880
time agonizing over every esoteric detail,
every little time. I am just so

753
00:57:39.199 --> 00:57:44.280
patiently waiting for when the people out
there start to ask what these things mean.

754
00:57:44.519 --> 00:57:46.280
Well, we're gonna tell you.
We're we're gonna we're gonna straight up

755
00:57:46.320 --> 00:57:49.440
tell you when the when the EP's
out, we're gonna do an episode.

756
00:57:49.480 --> 00:57:52.639
But what I what I will say
now, I want to save a lot

757
00:57:52.760 --> 00:57:58.960
for that episode. But what I'll
say now is every song on this EP,

758
00:57:59.639 --> 00:58:05.960
every part of every song on this
EP it has is all psychic downloads,

759
00:58:06.239 --> 00:58:09.320
all of it, every last bit
of it. I even considered calling

760
00:58:09.360 --> 00:58:13.360
the EP download, like the Greek
word for download or something like that,

761
00:58:13.519 --> 00:58:17.880
because like, the whole thing was
all one huge download. And I kind

762
00:58:17.920 --> 00:58:22.440
of when I started writing the first
song, it just appeared in my head

763
00:58:22.840 --> 00:58:28.920
and the whole song beginning to end
just flowed out of me, and I

764
00:58:29.079 --> 00:58:32.039
was like, this is magic.
It was the first time it fully connected

765
00:58:32.079 --> 00:58:37.880
in my brain, like, oh
am I even doing anything? Like am

766
00:58:37.880 --> 00:58:42.920
I important to this process at all? And when I finally gave in and

767
00:58:43.119 --> 00:58:47.599
was like, you're important, but
it's because you've been chosen to bring this

768
00:58:47.840 --> 00:58:52.239
specific idea forward. Yeah, And
like for anybody that doesn't play an instrument,

769
00:58:52.280 --> 00:58:53.679
it's not like you pluck a guitar
until you hear is sound you like,

770
00:58:54.000 --> 00:58:57.440
and it's like, yeah, let's
go with that. It's the opposite,

771
00:58:57.480 --> 00:59:00.400
and the same with drums. The
way I work, it's like you

772
00:59:00.559 --> 00:59:02.719
hear it in your head first and
then you just finally tune your body to

773
00:59:02.800 --> 00:59:07.400
actualize it, you know. Yeah. And like even when we first did

774
00:59:07.440 --> 00:59:09.440
our like writing together and we were
working on the second song or maybe it

775
00:59:09.519 --> 00:59:15.679
was the third opsianos m we,
Nick came over for a podcast weekend and

776
00:59:15.800 --> 00:59:21.599
he was like halfway done, literally
and halfway. For months and months,

777
00:59:21.800 --> 00:59:23.480
I'd be riding in the car,
I'd be hearing this rhythm in my head

778
00:59:23.519 --> 00:59:25.639
and I would even it would drive
me crazy, and I would even tell

779
00:59:25.639 --> 00:59:29.320
my wife like, man, I
just can't wait to get to the point

780
00:59:29.320 --> 00:59:31.440
to where me and Nick can like
write this stuff together, because you know,

781
00:59:31.519 --> 00:59:34.920
initially we lived who hours apart.
Nick was writing every bit of it,

782
00:59:35.000 --> 00:59:37.159
and then I'm slapping the drums on
there, and now it's kind of

783
00:59:37.199 --> 00:59:40.159
morphing and we're writing everything together and
growing. Yeah, because here's the thing.

784
00:59:40.719 --> 00:59:45.639
You get into a room with artists
or musicians or whatever, you're just

785
00:59:45.920 --> 00:59:51.599
multiplying the number of antennas, right
Like, even if even if somebody's in

786
00:59:51.639 --> 00:59:54.280
the room that's not an artist or
a musician, they're still an antenna.

787
00:59:54.400 --> 00:59:59.480
Yeah, they're gonna they could very
well pick up on things. He's not

788
00:59:59.559 --> 01:00:01.039
a musician, He's not. He's
just in the room. He's the same

789
01:00:01.079 --> 01:00:04.760
with Tom Barber from Darkoh. He's
I mean, he used to play drums

790
01:00:04.760 --> 01:00:07.719
a little bit, but he's told
me his process. Like they even they

791
01:00:07.800 --> 01:00:10.559
even do it on the song Dragon
Chaser hit him and his buddy Josh,

792
01:00:12.119 --> 01:00:14.320
He'll be like, yo, what
if you're just like black la la la

793
01:00:14.400 --> 01:00:15.960
la. Yeah, And then they
turn into a song and it's sick as

794
01:00:16.039 --> 01:00:21.239
fuck. That is how great works
come forward. They come through download any

795
01:00:21.280 --> 01:00:22.719
way possible. You just get that
idea out there, and then it's like,

796
01:00:22.800 --> 01:00:25.079
how do we collect it? How
do we harness it? Even even

797
01:00:25.480 --> 01:00:31.280
in writing the lyrics for these songs, what I will do is I think

798
01:00:31.280 --> 01:00:35.960
I'm comfortable with saying, at this
point we can let this one little little

799
01:00:36.199 --> 01:00:40.480
detail out there. Every song on
the EP is about a god from a

800
01:00:40.559 --> 01:00:44.599
different mythology. Yeah, that's all
I'm gonna say at this point. Right,

801
01:00:44.639 --> 01:00:47.039
that's why they sound soretically different,
But right, they sounds soractically different.

802
01:00:47.119 --> 01:00:52.400
So even with the lyrics, even
with writing the lyrics, I knew

803
01:00:52.480 --> 01:00:54.119
like, Okay, I want to
tap into the source. I want to

804
01:00:54.159 --> 01:01:00.639
tap into the you know, the
down wherever the downloads are coming from archetype.

805
01:01:00.840 --> 01:01:05.639
Yeah. Yeah, so I need
I need to spark inspiration. It's

806
01:01:05.679 --> 01:01:07.639
like smack and flint together. It's
like, you know, I need the

807
01:01:07.719 --> 01:01:10.880
spark. So what I would do
is, if I was writing a song

808
01:01:12.079 --> 01:01:15.239
like Covalini's, I'll talk about Covolini
since it's out or out. Yeah.

809
01:01:15.119 --> 01:01:21.800
I we decided that the song was
going to be about the Japanese god Rygin.

810
01:01:22.679 --> 01:01:27.840
So I was like, I have
to just do every bit of research

811
01:01:27.960 --> 01:01:32.119
I possibly can about Ryging so that
I can write from his perspective. That's

812
01:01:32.159 --> 01:01:39.400
why the song sounds so chaotic,
like it sounds like an angry, vengeful

813
01:01:39.599 --> 01:01:45.800
god being released from a prison and
instantaneously the second he gets out of that

814
01:01:45.920 --> 01:01:51.480
prison, unleashing his fury on people
who are say, well, he's the

815
01:01:51.519 --> 01:01:53.880
god of He's the god of lightning
and storms. He's the god of thunders,

816
01:01:55.559 --> 01:02:00.760
and so the story that I I
shouldn't talk about it too much because

817
01:02:00.760 --> 01:02:02.920
we're gonna do an episode about that. But basically, I just did a

818
01:02:04.000 --> 01:02:08.239
bunch of research about that god,
and I allowed the inspiration to come to

819
01:02:08.360 --> 01:02:14.159
me afterwards. So it's like I
would get all the foundation of knowledge about

820
01:02:14.239 --> 01:02:20.199
that god and then I would meditate
and just wait for the words to come.

821
01:02:20.440 --> 01:02:22.199
You know, this is honestly,
I just read this yesterday, because

822
01:02:22.440 --> 01:02:28.159
you know, full disclosure, Like
Nick is writing the lyrics and I'm giving

823
01:02:28.239 --> 01:02:30.079
him little ideas here and there.
He's like, yeah, that's cool,

824
01:02:30.079 --> 01:02:31.400
and then he'll run and he'll just
write it. And like I, you

825
01:02:31.440 --> 01:02:34.639
know, we've got so much going
on with the podcast, I'm not able

826
01:02:34.719 --> 01:02:38.280
to know every detail about every little
thing. And I saw the Covalini's lyrics

827
01:02:38.320 --> 01:02:40.599
for the first time yesterday when they
were uploaded, and I'm like, Yo,

828
01:02:40.719 --> 01:02:45.039
this is sick as fun. But
you really think you ever stood a

829
01:02:45.159 --> 01:02:47.199
chance against the one who holds lightning? And as a lance, that's what

830
01:02:47.280 --> 01:02:51.119
I'm like. I had no clue
that was in there. Really, no,

831
01:02:51.280 --> 01:02:53.039
it's all screaming. I don't understand
every word that's of screaming. I

832
01:02:53.079 --> 01:02:55.920
don't have the ear for that.
That's possibly I like the sound. That

833
01:02:57.119 --> 01:03:00.199
might be my favorite line in the
song. Yeah, that's that's it's it's

834
01:03:00.199 --> 01:03:04.719
like he's he's like cocky. He's
like, I'm the god a thunder like

835
01:03:04.880 --> 01:03:08.000
you. You you're rolling up on
the island that worships me, and you

836
01:03:08.079 --> 01:03:12.719
think I'm not gonna do something about
it. It's like it's cocky. It's

837
01:03:12.760 --> 01:03:17.199
like he he is drunk with his
his confidence, in his power. You

838
01:03:17.480 --> 01:03:23.400
really think you ever stood a chance
against the one who holds lightning as a

839
01:03:23.559 --> 01:03:27.639
lance? Like you think you got
it in you like that far, Let's

840
01:03:28.000 --> 01:03:30.400
let's grove, let's let's get it
popping in it's it's that's funny too,

841
01:03:30.440 --> 01:03:35.559
because he's a drummer. That's why
he bangs these war Japanese board drums to

842
01:03:35.679 --> 01:03:37.719
summon lightning and thunders. That's why
that's why the song says, bring the

843
01:03:37.800 --> 01:03:43.320
hammer down. He's bringing the hammer
down on the drum to call glory from

844
01:03:43.400 --> 01:03:47.320
the clouds in the form of lightning
and hurricanes and tornado. Because yeah,

845
01:03:47.679 --> 01:03:53.239
and so I'll save the source story
where I got that inspiration. I'll save

846
01:03:53.360 --> 01:03:57.280
that for the full episode. Yeah, of the twice born thing, but

847
01:03:57.920 --> 01:04:00.480
um, for sure, Yeah,
I think I think that about covers what

848
01:04:00.559 --> 01:04:01.559
we wanted to talk about. I
was gonna say that, Oh yeah,

849
01:04:01.559 --> 01:04:04.360
I never got to say the thing, Like the fun part about Oceanos was

850
01:04:04.960 --> 01:04:08.159
for weeks, I was like,
damn, I hear this thing in my

851
01:04:08.280 --> 01:04:10.519
head. And I would even talk
to my wife about it, like I

852
01:04:10.679 --> 01:04:14.199
hear this thing and she's like,
well, what's it sound like. I'm

853
01:04:14.239 --> 01:04:15.159
like, I don't know. Dot
dot dot dot dot dot dot dot.

854
01:04:16.519 --> 01:04:20.000
And then we get together and and
and we're and Nick is halfway through this

855
01:04:20.639 --> 01:04:25.880
crazy ass song and I'm like hearing
it in my head. And then he

856
01:04:25.920 --> 01:04:27.800
gets to this point he's like,
I don't know what's next, and I

857
01:04:27.880 --> 01:04:31.239
said, how about this? And
and then literally with your mouth, you're

858
01:04:31.280 --> 01:04:38.400
like, I've been thinking about something
like this. Don don dun bum And

859
01:04:38.440 --> 01:04:42.599
I was like, yeah that that
and then and then I just immediately recorded

860
01:04:42.639 --> 01:04:44.440
it and I was like, oh
oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

861
01:04:44.440 --> 01:04:46.480
that's it. That's it. And
then and then within like two minutes,

862
01:04:46.519 --> 01:04:48.960
you you were able to finish the
rest of done. It was the

863
01:04:49.440 --> 01:04:55.320
rest of the song is because dude, when you when the universe. Think

864
01:04:55.320 --> 01:05:00.079
about it like fishing, Like I
know that fishing sucks for fishes. I

865
01:05:00.159 --> 01:05:03.679
said fishes. That's correct, Okay, cool. Yeah, so it depends

866
01:05:03.679 --> 01:05:09.400
on if philosophers, if that's a
real word. Yeah, it's it's fishes.

867
01:05:09.480 --> 01:05:15.239
If they're all the same species.
But if it's like different, yeah,

868
01:05:15.320 --> 01:05:18.719
I'm pretty sure that's pretty But think
about it like a like a llure.

869
01:05:19.360 --> 01:05:25.000
There a little line is being dropped
and it's like all you gotta do

870
01:05:25.159 --> 01:05:27.639
is grab it. All you have
to do is grab it, and if

871
01:05:27.639 --> 01:05:30.679
your fish will die, But if
you're released a bunch of fishes, yeah

872
01:05:30.800 --> 01:05:34.760
yeah yeah, and you know what, they had a transformative religious experience.

873
01:05:34.840 --> 01:05:41.840
Man pulled out of the water acted
yes, okay, from another world exactly.

874
01:05:41.840 --> 01:05:44.440
There's a SpongeBob episode about that.
There is, Yes, there is.

875
01:05:44.599 --> 01:05:46.559
I'm loving all these SpongeBob references.
Bro, that's near and dear to

876
01:05:46.679 --> 01:05:51.280
my heart. But but but the
truth is, you have to accept those

877
01:05:51.440 --> 01:05:58.159
gifts with grace. You have to
accept them with excitement, like, oh,

878
01:05:58.400 --> 01:06:02.760
the gods are granting me a glimpse
him too, their world, Like

879
01:06:03.480 --> 01:06:09.480
because art is it transcends our five
senses. Just remember David played the secret

880
01:06:09.559 --> 01:06:14.360
chord that please the Lord. Yeah, esoteric it is, and that's that's

881
01:06:14.400 --> 01:06:17.199
what happened in that moment with It's
like trans medium ship. Honestly, I

882
01:06:17.400 --> 01:06:23.880
was in that moment with Opcianos.
I was able to latch on to the

883
01:06:24.159 --> 01:06:28.559
stream that you were connected to.
I was able to say, oh,

884
01:06:28.639 --> 01:06:31.119
yeah, let's follow it, and
we were able to latch onto it together

885
01:06:31.679 --> 01:06:35.320
and boom, the whole song got
finished just like that because we followed the

886
01:06:35.440 --> 01:06:39.760
stream. You know, life is
but a dream. You just merrily,

887
01:06:39.840 --> 01:06:42.960
merrily, merrily down there, like
you gotta go with the flow, be

888
01:06:43.119 --> 01:06:47.039
like water. This is all.
There are reasons that people say these things,

889
01:06:47.320 --> 01:06:50.639
and you might hear it like get
out of your own way, go

890
01:06:50.800 --> 01:06:53.920
with the flow, be like water. And you're like, what does that

891
01:06:54.000 --> 01:07:00.400
even mean? It literally means meditate
being ego death and empty your mind into

892
01:07:00.480 --> 01:07:04.360
your mind, medal the ego out
of it. You are not like you're

893
01:07:04.519 --> 01:07:10.119
just a vessel, like we have
learned this to be true. We're wizards.

894
01:07:10.199 --> 01:07:13.679
Bro oh hell yeah, hell yeah. I've always kind of seen myself

895
01:07:13.760 --> 01:07:16.599
as like a modern Merlin. Yeah, you're a modern Merlin man. Yeah.

896
01:07:16.760 --> 01:07:21.480
So, uh, music is magic
to artist magic to all of our

897
01:07:21.639 --> 01:07:27.480
artists out there. I hope that
this was like a cool insight, you

898
01:07:27.559 --> 01:07:30.360
know, and at very least it's
something for you to try out. Rather

899
01:07:30.440 --> 01:07:36.079
than focusing on improving your quote unquote
skills in whatever your craft is, focus

900
01:07:36.400 --> 01:07:42.119
on honing that antenna. Do things
like meditate, be out in nature,

901
01:07:42.280 --> 01:07:46.159
appreciate good art. You know.
Uh, find inspiration in random places.

902
01:07:46.280 --> 01:07:50.079
Pick up a book, flip to
a random page and read the first thing

903
01:07:50.400 --> 01:07:56.679
that appears. It's like, you
will find something. Just realize you have

904
01:07:56.840 --> 01:07:59.519
to come to terms with the fact
that it's not you. Yeah, it's

905
01:07:59.559 --> 01:08:00.840
not. It's not like we're saying, you know, don't develop skill.

906
01:08:00.960 --> 01:08:03.960
You have have you have to have
skill for the vessel to be strong.

907
01:08:04.199 --> 01:08:08.360
But it's like you just gotta have
the right attitude about it. Yeah,

908
01:08:08.400 --> 01:08:13.599
there are times to hone your skill
in your craft. But when it comes

909
01:08:13.679 --> 01:08:17.159
time to make great work, that
time is over. That time's over.

910
01:08:17.279 --> 01:08:20.199
You get out of the way,
make room for it to come through.

911
01:08:20.439 --> 01:08:26.520
Yeah, that's it. That's it. We love y'all, and uh stream

912
01:08:26.600 --> 01:08:29.680
that twice born shit. You know
what I'm saying. Hey, Cobelini's the

913
01:08:29.680 --> 01:08:31.640
storm. We are now on Apple
Music and Spotify and YouTube everywhere. It's

914
01:08:31.640 --> 01:08:35.119
every Follow us on Instagram or twice
Borne band, twice Born band, check

915
01:08:35.199 --> 01:08:39.439
us out. It's all linked to
our personal profile. So if you follow

916
01:08:39.520 --> 01:08:42.399
me on Instagram, I have twice
Borne LinkedIn there under the podcast link.

917
01:08:42.600 --> 01:08:45.279
Yeah, we are obnoxiously sharing tons
of twice Born shit. So we love

918
01:08:45.319 --> 01:08:48.720
you all very much. We appreciate
all the support. We're going to keep

919
01:08:48.800 --> 01:08:53.039
making music for the rest of our
lives. Hell yeah, love you guys.

920
01:08:53.600 --> 01:09:00.279
Bye guys, Bye guys. Weird
things but in the backyard, flits

921
01:09:00.479 --> 01:09:14.359
House said over us, descending,
God, it's so weird coming closer to

922
01:09:15.880 --> 01:09:25.640
players industry up like spiraling on the
inside of it. No one knows.

923
01:09:29.439 --> 01:09:50.159
Wow, it's come right over time. Shide ain't camp