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Weird things happened in the Weird Weird
Weird Welcome episode episode forty Showdy Am I

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dreaming? Are you? I don't
know? Yeah? Yeah, you keep

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dreaming dream We're gonna talk about dreams
today. I was pretty shocked to find

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out we haven't done a dreams episode
yet. Yeah. I know, it's

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like, we've talked about some interesting
dreams. I've definitely described some of my

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dreams. Uh, Emily came on
and talked about dreams. Alex loves talking

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about his dreams. That's true,
but we haven't done one like dedicated to

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the other day. When you were
like, we should do dreams, I

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literally pulled up my phone and I
was like, but I thought we did,

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and I went I looked through every
episode and he did. I was

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actually shocked. Yeah, well,
if you couldn't recall the number, it's

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probable that we didn't do it.
Yeaing meaning you are a walking blood so

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said so index that can pull for
any Yeah, it's only like the first

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twenty man like past that I don't
know right which one was the Moon the

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Moon Landing Conspiracy episode thirteen. Yep, that's exactly no way, was it

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really? Yeah? I looked out
of the other. It's only like the

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first few. Man, I forget
past that. I'm not some legend as

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you claim. No. No,
on Full Disclosure last week, I don't

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remember. I'm saying that I heard
it. Well, okay, on Full

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Disclosure last week, he pulled uh. He accurately picked the two one of

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Space Honesty episode Damn, which was
number eleven. Yep, you could.

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We could sit here for an hour
and you could ask me every single one.

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I don't think i'd get a single
one of them, like, not

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even our biggest ones, like our
big monumental episodes. Right, don't even

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think i'd remember. I remember the
first Stream of Consciousness six, right,

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Stream of Consciousness episode was six.
I'm pretty sure. No. Then,

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the one I'm thinking of is the
the one where we kind of aired everything

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out. The whole show took a
turn after this, and it was somewhere

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in the sixties. Oh, it
was like sixty seven or sixty eight.

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Yeah, yeah, and it was
called when Keeping It Real, Good Keeping

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It Real? That's right. Yeah, I remember that episode. Yeah,

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but I'm pretty sure the first Stream
of Consciousness was episode six. I'm gonna

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verify, honestly, I believe uh, Lisa and Algaib, dude, my

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favorite part of that movie, bro
mine or doing too spoiler, but you

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know what, like if you hadn't
watched it at this point, I pray

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for your soul. My favorite part
of that movie, and then then we'll

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move on. But you brought it
up, man, you opened this cannel.

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Dude, it was sixty eight?
What what what keeping it real goes

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wrong? Sixty eight? Yeah,
sixty eight. But what about the first

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stream of consciousness? Was it?
In fact? Number six? It was?

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It was? Yeah, it was
wow. I told you, man,

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just listen. No, I know
you're right. I just like verifying

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because it's fun for me. I
think my favorite part of that whole movie

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was was when he like basically declared
he was the Messiah and still are standing

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there and he's like got this big
smile and his tears are going down his

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face. He's like, what do
you foresee? Mandy? I was like,

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oh that that that hit deep.
Yeah. I mean that movie was

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like fucking masterpiece, Like, oh
my god, everything about it was so

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sick. I was honestly stunned.
A lot of how good it was didn't

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strike me until like the next after
day. Yeah, I was just thinking

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about it, That's what I'm saying. Like, you just leaving Shock,

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You're like, gosh, man,
it was so crazy. You go into

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a movie with some sort of expectation, right, and I went into that

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movie with the expectation it was gonna
be awesome, and when I left,

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I just was blank. Yeah,
no, honestly, yeah, I mean

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I knew based off of the first
one, like the first one was so

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good, and some people, some
people are like it was too slow or

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whatever, like so what even a
freaking you're an iPad kid, like on

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the YouTube feed. You gotta get
the next quick, little jolting fix.

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Like sometimes movies are slow. They
got to be playing some of the best

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movies ever are slow, Yeah for
sure, slow Burn, yeah, Godfather,

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Yeah, they got to be playing
their Temple run while grow up and

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that kills me. People. Man, the movie was three hours, good

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make it four and shut up.
Yeah, if it's a good movie,

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it is it necessary? Right?
The Lord of the Rings are some of

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the longest movies ever. Longo,
they're not They're not. I have many

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times in my life watched them all
back to back, and every time it's

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like that didn't seem like fourteen hours. Yeah, give me more, give

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me more. And it's like all
the people watching the podcast, remember in

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the beginning, the first uh,
the first thing we got was like,

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they need to be longer. Remember, they need to be longer, they

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need to be two hours. Yeah, okay, that's what I'm saying about

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the movies. You know what I'm
saying. Dog, I know you know

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what I'm saying. And speaking of
dreams, dude, Yeah, there was

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dreams in Doune. There were dreams, and dude, there were in fact

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the first movie, like before even
the opening credits and all of that stuff

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rolls. It's the whole dreams are
messages from the deep thing with them talking

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like dog, yep, you know
what I'm talking about it hearken dude.

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Okay, we're just gonna talk about
dude, that's fine. I went into

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the first one completely blind at your
recommendation. I only knew anything about the

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story that you had told me secondhand. About the book I knew. I

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looked up nothing. I did not
care to see the movie, but I

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was like, whatever, it's a
good movie. We had just moved in

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next door, you know. And
it came out like two or three months

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later. So I was like,
let's walk to the movies. And I

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left that movie and I was I
was so sure it was the best movie

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I had ever seen. And we
literally did an episode on it. Remember,

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Yeah, we did a Dune episode. Oh yeah, and what number

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was it? I don't know,
twenty one one? Find out the twenty

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one. God, it probably was
that long ago. It was because it's

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been like three years since the first
one came out. Yeah, and no,

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it was groundbreaking even then. I
mean, yeah, to the people

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who say it's slow, it's like, come on that there's exposition. They

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have to establish an entire cinematic universe. They have to immerse you in this

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exp your ants, like they have
to lay a baseline. And like,

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oh my god, it was twenty
one. Way I said, I only

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knew up to twenty I guess I
lied. Yeah you did, lie,

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dude, you went past your own
dude expectations. All right, I got

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a hard one for you, sorry, Nick to cut you off completely.

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Quiz time, Ryan Akira, we
just did that one. That's not fair.

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I know. Whatever was it.
It's been it's been a few months.

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Yeah, one twenty seven eleven.
Ah, ain't you tricked me.

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I told you, man, the
first twenty Wait, you know, I

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don't even know all them. That's
pretty like easy to remember though, because

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the movies are like one point one
one, two point two two? Uh

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you mean evang Gelian. Oh yeah, he's in the Kira damn it.

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It's a leap day, man,
we did We did those very close to

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each other. No leap day was
last year. I know. I'm just

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trying to like pull out any excuse
I can, man, give me a

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pass. Well, you know what, you know, what's a bummer,

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dude? Why do we have to
sleep half our life? A third?

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A third of our life? Why? Hey, speaking of that, I

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saw today when I was just like
looking into the general science of dreams that

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on average we actually dream about two
hours of night, so over the course

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of our life it amounts to god, I can't remember the numbers, like

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ten thousand hours of dream time or
something like that, but that's pretty crazy

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when you think about it. That
is crazy. Also, think about when

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you dream, it feels like you're
dreaming the entire time you sleep. Yeah,

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it does. You almost always like
wake up from a dream, right,

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I mean, I don't know,
I guess some people don't like dream

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or whatever, but like, you
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wake up at least it feels like
that. The way that works from like

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the brainwave perspective is, you know, so there's the five brain waves there,

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starting from the top. It's gamma, beta, alpha, Theta,

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and then delta, and we're in
theta when we dream. When you're in

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a deep sleep, you're in delta. So you know, we sleep on

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ninety minute rim cycles. Yeah,
so for the majority of the you know,

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seven and a half or eight hours
or whatever that we're sleeping at night,

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you're in rim for like ninety minutes
or something like that. You're technically

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not dreaming the whole time. If
you wake up naturally during a rim cycle,

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which is that rapid eye movement,
you're not dreaming. If you naturally

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wake up during that, you won't
come like WHOA, I was dreaming,

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You weren't. But if you're woken
up during that theta state, your dream

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was interrupted. That's when you tend
to be able to recall your dreams.

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M Yeah, because from what I
was seeing, it seems like the theta

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waves happen like before and after the
rim sleep, right, right, which

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is the delta waves, right,
right? Yeah, and uh, you

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know, we've talked a lot about
Theta wave and like being in that FADA

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state, and there's ways to do
that in waking life as well. But

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a lot of profound stuff about FATA
waves, which I'm sure we'll talk about,

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but as like a baseline, Okay, dreams, right, that's what

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the episode's about. Let's give it
the program. Guys. Dreams they're weird.

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It's it's a weird immeasurable thing.
Strange. What what other words can

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we use to describe mysterious? Serious
is another one that we cant They're kind

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of kooky, they're a little wuky, they're uky spooky at times. But

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it's like with some of the things
that we talk about, like there's hard,

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concrete like facts and statistics and stuff
to pull from. Uh. We've

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been requested many, many, many
many times to do a dream episode.

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We weren't like deliberately holding it off
or anything. It just never it never

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felt more research every night. Yeah, it would trying to be really for

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this moment, right, It's all
been leading up to this. I'm honestly

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no joke. I've been dreaming really
hard this week? Have you very vivid,

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very hard? Any about me?
I'm not gonna talk about those ones.

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Wow. I will say that one
of my favorite things is when you

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don't remember it when you wake up, but then you're like in the middle

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of your working day and you're like, oh my god, I had a

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dream last night. Yeah, it
all comes back to you like in the

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middle, and you got to stop
what you're doing to process what happened.

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But maybe that's just me. No, no, that that is. That's

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usually how I recount my dreams.
I've always wanted to do like the dream

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journal thing, you know, I
just never have committed to doing it.

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I know people like talk about it's
a good way to lucid dream regularly,

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and it's a good way to be
able to recat your dream's better and all

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this stuff. I've just never done
it. I straight up look him up

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on the spot. Oh. If
I have a dream that I'm like,

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this is this is symbolic. I
will wake up from the dream, grab

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my phone, which is probably not
great just blue light and stuff, but

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but then immediately research what did this
mean, and then get my answer and

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be like, Okay, go back
to sleep. Huh. A really good

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representation that I happened to see recently
of like Psychoanalysis of dreams. Was an

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episode of The Sopranos. Yes are
are both of you guys? In season

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three? Yeah? No, no, no, okay, Well, I

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won't spoil I circumstance, the one
with the car crash when oh she sorry,

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yeah Nick are you? No?
No, no, no, I'm

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in season three. I don't okay
no, So the one in one or

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end of one, beginning of two
when she's not he's not her client,

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but then she has the dream about
him in the car accident, she takes

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him back, She takes him back? Is that? But there's another one

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in season three, following a gruesome
event wither Yeah, yeah, And I

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thought it was really cool how like, again, we won't go into the

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events. I'm not gonna spoil anything. You can uncover your innocent ears.

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I'm just saying. I really liked
how the show illustrated like Freud's psychoanalysis of

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dreams, Like, you know,
this character, whoever she may be for

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Alex's sake, is talking to a
therapist about her dream, and it's actually

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really cool how they have these like
strange details that look like nonsense, but

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they actually meant something deep down on
a subconscious mind, you know. And

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that's that's how dreams work. It's
like every dream is symbolic, right,

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and if you're able to recall it
enough and pull it that thread, like,

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you'll find that everything has some sort
of deep meaning, especially animals.

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I mean, yeah, so animals
for sure, but I also feel like,

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you know, sometimes I'll have a
little bit to drink, watch the

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Sopranos all night and then have a
very mobster dream, like very soprano's dream,

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you know what I mean, And
I'm like, yeah, this is

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probably in symbolic. This is probably
just my drunk mind, yes, sorting

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it out kind of thing. Well, it is symbolic. It's symbolic of

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what you were watching on TV.
Okay, I'll buy that. I do

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have a I do have an animal
dream I want to talk about. But

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well, before we before we get
into recounting and telling like specific dreams,

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I want to just get like a
baseline about what we feel about dreams,

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what we think they are. They're
weird, right, they're they give me

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goose, They're kooky. But you
know that there's been a ton of discussion

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amongst I mean for sense antiquity from
philosophers and mystics and these scientists and like

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about like just trying to figure out
the significance of dreams, what they are,

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where they come from. Some people
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realm, that that like you know, is a constant and right, you

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know, sometimes you'll have like me
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night where she's like, I have
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doesn't look like school, but I
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school that we went to. I
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what I'm saying. Yeah, And
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a dream in school, it looks
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in the same place. That's a
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like, what does your intuition tell
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with the opinions of like like Rudolph
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realm. And they're not the only
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The Gnostics a bunch of different mystical
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we have the three or four distinctly
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complex. It's like on the lowest
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and then you have like the etheric
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astral body, and then the ego
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in these schools of thought is that
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etheric body stays with the body to
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how our body gets repaired, but
like when we're sleeping at night, Yeah,

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muscle recovery, your brain, rest
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The belief is that the ego and
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the dream realm, and then the
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body. But you recall your dreams
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of yourself, like exploring an actually
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mean that makes sense to me.
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or recounting, when that stuff is
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the things that your higher self or
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Right, there are seven distinct different
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I actually wrote them down, and
I'm glad that you asked that question.

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So Blavotsky further divides dreams into seven
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on our memory by the higher self, and are generally planned and clear,

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either a voice heard or the coming
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of realities caught by the brain and
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only half true. Dreams sent by
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or by the thoughts of very powerful
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Retrospective dreams of events. I'm sorry
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last one again? Dreams simp by
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or by the thoughts of very powerful
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their will? Number four retrospective dreams
of events belonging to past incarnations. That's

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very cool. I never thought about
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You know, like, that's super
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others who are unable to be impressed
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of which have been discussed above,
which I don't have it was a very

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long excerpt from from some Blovotsky book. And then seven dreams, which are

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mere fancies and chaotic pictures owing to
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external cause. And you know,
the digestion is in reference to like it's

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pretty much accepted that like going to
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you know, like you can cause
you to have distress dreams. Yeah,

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yeah, yeah, I don't be
having nightmares and you be stuff in

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yourself, dude. No, I
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way. I just tend to eat
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Yeah. No, I've always heard
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time you go to sleep, you
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haven't like verified it, but you
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but that's just me. You're immune. You have a superior I say

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it. I've never had bad dreams. Well, a cool thing. So

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commenting on the whole adepts thing.
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believe that when a person like reaches
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the realm of dreams and they basically
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they are like always astral projecting,
yeah, and in full control,

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like constantly, always lucid dreaming and
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with the Gnostic movement. There's a
modern reform. We know this. We

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just did a Gnostic episode came out
last week from the time we're recording this

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obviously, and like we know it's
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modern sort of resurgence of the movement
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a oun way Or. It's not
his real name, it was his name

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that he you know how a lot
of like Garus and stuff, they'll they'll

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I'm a spiritual master, and they'll
change their name, you know what I'm

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talking about, Like yeah, Ron
Dawstin, Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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He called himself Semiel a un way
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program of like Gnostic, the Path
of Awakening, and I followed it for

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months, like I got pretty far
into it. I've even quoted it on

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this show for many episodes. On
the Christmas episode even I read quite a

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bit from it. And the main
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the entire purpose of it was to
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so that that corroborates the the lot. Did you did you have results

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in lucid dreaming? I didn't really
try. I just wanted to study it

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from an intellectual perspective and I didn't
really care to do the practices. To

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be honest, Have you had lucid
dreams lately, like in the past that

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you can recall that weren't from childhood. I've never had a lucid dream really.

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I've had like two, but both
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a handful, but with I found
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to lucid dream it often turned into
sleep paralysis, and so I just kind

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of stayed away from it. It's
like the blim and Citi is the what

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in city is? You know?
I don't like horror movies. It's actually

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really dope. Let's talk about it
for a second, because it's it's on

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brand for the for the episode.
But in Cidious one and two, they're

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they're they're really very very good movies. They're not super scary. If you're

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like a horror freak and you're like
watch movies just to get scared. They're

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not going to really scare you.
But the story is fantastic. It's about

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this boy who gets like really sick
and he's basically trapped in the astral world,

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like he's he's in a coma,
but he's he's really there in the

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dream world and he's like basically being
tormented by a demon. And so Patrick

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Wilson like goes into the dream world
to find him. And Patrick Wilson is

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that Owen Wilson's brother. I don't
know the guy from Idiot. I've never

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questioned that. No, no,
no, Owen Wilson's the guy's from Kirchow

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saying that Owen Wilson's brother was in
Idiocracy. No, you know what it's

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about, you go ahead and finish. No, I do know what it's

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about. And I recently became even
more interested in that movie because I found

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out who made it, the guy
that did Silicon Valley. I didn't know

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that. Yeah, yeah, we
should watch it. I've never seen it,

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but I know all about it.
I know like what happens, I

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know the premise. I've just never
watched it. We should watch it.

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I'd be down it's been a long
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is like like kind of polarizing,
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It's like cult classic vibes. Yeah, for sure, continue about Insidious,

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So I'm cooked. I don't even
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It just was all about dreams in
the astral world and like they're,

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oh, oh, because sleep paralysis. Yeah, yeah, there were there

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was like demons like tormenting them in
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It wasn't sleep paralysis, but yeah, it reminded me of the movie.

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You know, like the theory that
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a spirit or a mind that is
really awake but is not necessarily trained properly

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would be like on the cusp of
lucid dreaming, but then would would fall

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back to sleep paralysis. Yeah you
know what I mean. Yeah, while

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we're on the topic, I had
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let's just go into that. If
you're cool of that. I've talked about

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it on the show many times.
I've gotten a lot of requests. I've

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seen it in the comments, I've
seen it in discord. Shout out to

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the Omi's shout out to it.
Yeah, Patreon dot com slash blets have

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said, so that's for you,
Alex. I've gotten a lot of we

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have gotten a lot of requests to
like talk about sleep paralysis because a lot

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of you out there have it too, and it's scary. It's like,

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it is scary. I've had it
a couple of times, have you.

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Yeah, I don't know. I'd
like to hear about your experience. Yeah,

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one, I can remember in vivid
detail. I've had it hundreds of

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times. I don't know why.
I don't know. The sleep is spooky,

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it's mysterious, it is, I
don't know why. I've just since

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I was around ten or eleven or
so. I've told this story before.

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But the first time it ever happened, let me just tell a couple a

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couple anecdotal sleep paralysis recounts, recalls, whatever that word is. First time

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it ever happened. I was probably
ten eleven. Me and my brother were

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in the living room watching TV.
I think we were watching MTV or so,

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you know, just like chilling in
the living room. It was late,

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and sometimes we would do that.
We would like just chill in the

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living room late at night and end
up just falling asleep in the living room

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right like whatever on a weekend or
something. So we're hanging out and watching

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the TV. I'm on the couch, my brother is next to me on

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the love seat. We're both just
like laying down watching TV whatever. And

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from my perspective, I'm watching the
TV, nothing has changed, there's no

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lapse, there's no nothing, and
I turn. I try to turn and

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like say something to my brother.
Body doesn't move. Uh oh yeah,

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And first time it ever happened.
I'm a kid. It's like what,

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like, what's what's you know?
I've never heard of it. No,

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Like so scary, So try to
move, couldn't immediately. I'm like internally

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panicking, but obviously my body cannot
move. And I just kept trying and

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trying and trying, and what happens
with me a lot. Eventually I'll be

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able to move, but it's like
very slow. It's like I'm moving in

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super slow mo. Oh god.
It's the worst feeling. So I'm like

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trying to turn and talk to my
brother to be like help, kid,

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Like I don't know what's going on. And I'm like turning super slowly and

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I open my mouth to say his
name. Nothing is coming out. I'm

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like, I feel my mouth open
like really slowly, and I'm like trying

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to say Robbie and nothing is coming
out of my mouth. And I just

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kept trying and trying and trying until
I erupted awake, screaming, like literally

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and you traumatize your brother even more. Yeah, and then like my parents

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woke up and came in like what
is going on? And Yeah, from

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my perspective, there was no lapse. It was like I never fell asleep.

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It was just like life continued and
I was paralyzed and couldn't move.

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And so that one wasn't like it
was scary because I couldn't move, but

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it wasn't spooky like there's demons and
spirits, but those happened very quickly.

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Afterwards. There was another one that
happened in the living room. I was

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home alone and I was in the
living room late at night watching TV whatever.

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Everybody else is asleep, and I
again, no lapse, no nothing.

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I just start hearing very quiet a
whisper in the room and it was

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like behind my head and I heard
it and I like turned around, I'm

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like, uh okay, and I
was moving like I wasn't I wasn't frozen

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or whatever. I just heard it. I turned around like okay, and

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the whisper continued and got louder and
louder and louder, until it was like

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a cacophony of sinister sounding whispers.
And then that's when I like froze,

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like everything froze when the whispers got
really loud, when I wanted to move

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and get out of the room,
that's when my body like froze. And

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it was but I didn't see anything. I think that was the next time,

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then the third or fourth time it
ever happened. This all was happening

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like within weeks of each other,
like not a lot of time passing.

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I fell asleep on It was a
weekend. I had stayed up late playing

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Super Smash Brothers with my friend from
down the street, and so I you

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know, it's the middle of the
day and I was like super tired.

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I fell asleep. I think literally
it was just my mom was home.

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Oh yeah, because Dad and Robbie
and Sissy were all riding dirt bikes.

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They went to the dirt bike track. Because I never did that. I

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just didn't want to tell I wasn't
interested. So I fell asleep in my

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brother's room because at the time,
the game cube was in there. And

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I fell asleep in his room on
his bed, playing the game cube.

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And all I remember is I am
laying on the bed, same thing,

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no laps, whatever. I see
the room all around me, vividly,

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just as if I'm awake. I
hear sounds in the house. Whatever.

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It's like, nothing's weird, it's
normal. I sweared to God. You

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remember Lord of the Rings. Might
have been two towers. I think it

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was two towers when Frodo falls into
the marsh, Yeah, two towers.

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It was two Towerska and he sees
those like green spirits. Yeah, well,

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one of them comes out of my
brother's closet, oh like slowly,

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and I see it, and I
immediately try to move in. Can't.

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I'm frozen. And so I'm just
s bearing witness to this spirit, this

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this literal like green, malevolent looking, scary spirit. It's like slowly floating

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around the room. Doesn't see me, doesn't notice me. Apparently another one

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comes in from the door, and
then another one that I don't know where

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it came from. I just noticed
it. There's like multiple figures like like

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green, like translucent, scary,
tattered, nasty looking like spirits or ghosts

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or something in this room, and
all at once, all at once,

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they all turned and looked at me
and started like slowly floating towards me.

406
00:30:59.799 --> 00:31:03.799
And when they got like close to
my face, I woke up, dang

407
00:31:03.359 --> 00:31:11.119
horrified. That's crazy. Yeah,
And I've had many experiences with sleep paralysis

408
00:31:11.119 --> 00:31:15.960
since then. A lot of them
are very spooky. Some of them are

409
00:31:17.000 --> 00:31:19.599
just literally like oh, I wake
up, or I think I wake up,

410
00:31:19.880 --> 00:31:22.640
and I'm just like frozen, I
can't move. Some of them are

411
00:31:22.720 --> 00:31:30.079
like way scarier demons, witches,
spirits. But you know, I have

412
00:31:30.279 --> 00:31:36.200
not had sleep paralysis now at this
point, like weirdly enough, like around

413
00:31:36.279 --> 00:31:41.559
the time that we started doing the
podcast. Wow, just like it rarely

414
00:31:41.640 --> 00:31:44.880
happens, it's happened, like since
we started the podcast, it's happened a

415
00:31:44.960 --> 00:31:48.359
handful of times. So it used
to happen like once a month. I've

416
00:31:48.400 --> 00:31:51.920
had it once vividly enough that I
could remember. I want to say I've

417
00:31:51.960 --> 00:31:53.920
had it twice. But there was
one that stands out in particular that I

418
00:31:53.960 --> 00:32:00.279
remember, and I was in this
like dark chap it just felt like this

419
00:32:00.440 --> 00:32:07.079
really old stone building with like stained
glass windows all around me, and it

420
00:32:07.119 --> 00:32:10.319
was dark like nighttime. Maybe there
was like moonlight coming through the windows,

421
00:32:10.599 --> 00:32:15.039
and there was this demonic figure standing
there like haunting me, like trying to

422
00:32:15.039 --> 00:32:19.160
torment me, and I just remember
saying Jesus over and over again. I

423
00:32:19.160 --> 00:32:22.440
would have been like eighteen when I
had this dream too, and I just

424
00:32:22.480 --> 00:32:28.200
remember like praying it away and I
won and I woke up. So could

425
00:32:28.200 --> 00:32:31.039
you, like while it was happening, could you like not move? I

426
00:32:31.039 --> 00:32:35.440
don't really remember that detail. I
just remember there being that figure there in

427
00:32:35.480 --> 00:32:38.599
the environment around me. Yeah,
And I just remember like in my dream,

428
00:32:38.720 --> 00:32:43.000
I was like praying yeah, you
know. Yeah, I've had it

429
00:32:43.079 --> 00:32:47.000
where it's almost like you're awaken you
see everything around you, and then there's

430
00:32:47.119 --> 00:32:52.160
just like dream stuff superimposed on top. And then I've had them like that

431
00:32:52.279 --> 00:32:57.319
where it's like you're somewhere completely different
and you're being like but it feels real,

432
00:32:57.559 --> 00:33:01.720
oh yeah, and you're being like
oppressed by some like dark entity or

433
00:33:01.720 --> 00:33:08.200
spirit or whatever. You ever had
it, Alex, sleep paralysis? No,

434
00:33:10.400 --> 00:33:15.200
it is, it is. It
is very very wild. Yeah,

435
00:33:15.240 --> 00:33:17.400
I've never heard of like a non
scary one, you know. Yeah,

436
00:33:17.559 --> 00:33:25.839
I always scary nightmares as a kid. Interestingly enough, the term nightmare originated

437
00:33:27.000 --> 00:33:32.160
in Europe during the Middle Ages.
It the term nightmare referred to a supernatural

438
00:33:32.359 --> 00:33:37.200
entity, typically female, that positioned
herself on top of a person's chest to

439
00:33:37.319 --> 00:33:45.000
suffocate them during sleep. Medical explanations
up to the twentieth century suggested that a

440
00:33:45.119 --> 00:33:49.880
nightmare was caused by stagnant blood or
vapors rising from the stomach and affecting the

441
00:33:49.920 --> 00:33:57.079
nervous system. So the the thing
about sleep paralysis is going back to like,

442
00:33:57.079 --> 00:34:04.400
like twenty four hundred BC is the
earliest one that I found. Going

443
00:34:04.440 --> 00:34:12.840
back thousands and thousands of years,
sleep paralysis has almost always been associated with

444
00:34:13.679 --> 00:34:19.480
like a malevolent entity, whether it
be a demon, a witch, a

445
00:34:19.559 --> 00:34:24.280
dark spirit, something like that.
It's almost always like that. Uh So,

446
00:34:25.199 --> 00:34:31.760
in yeah, twenty four hundred BC
in Mesopotamia they called them lilito,

447
00:34:34.000 --> 00:34:39.199
which is like a female demon.
Researchers believe that this is from early folklore,

448
00:34:39.440 --> 00:34:46.159
that the concepts of incubus, sucubis
and the nightmare descended from these like

449
00:34:46.320 --> 00:34:52.320
really really early accounts. It's like
a dark entity. It's almost always like

450
00:34:52.760 --> 00:34:58.599
choking you or it's like weighing down
on top of you. I've had one

451
00:34:58.639 --> 00:35:00.920
like that. Really, it was
like, yeah, like on my chest.

452
00:35:00.280 --> 00:35:04.159
Really I want to hear that.
I mean, I don't really remember

453
00:35:04.199 --> 00:35:06.559
that well. I just remember it
being like something was on top of me.

454
00:35:07.320 --> 00:35:12.679
Well, my nightmares is what prompted
my lucid dreaming as a kid.

455
00:35:13.159 --> 00:35:15.559
Really, yeah, the nightmares would
be so bad. I would realize that

456
00:35:15.639 --> 00:35:21.679
they were dreams. Like I was
like, this literally could not happen in

457
00:35:21.719 --> 00:35:27.679
reality. Therefore I'm dreaming. Therefore
I started changing what was going on to

458
00:35:27.760 --> 00:35:32.800
be more lighthearted and not scary.
I remember being like held at like gunpoint

459
00:35:32.880 --> 00:35:37.400
or sword point and being like,
wait a minute, and then turn it

460
00:35:37.400 --> 00:35:43.239
to flowers. Turn turned the sword. Yeah, turned the sword to flowers,

461
00:35:43.239 --> 00:35:45.559
and I was like, ha ha, you can't hurt me with flowers.

462
00:35:45.360 --> 00:35:49.159
That kind of thing. That reminds
me of Watchmen. Remember that movie

463
00:35:49.679 --> 00:35:52.280
when they're like putting the flowers in
the gun and then they get shot up.

464
00:35:52.840 --> 00:35:57.440
It's so brutal. Yeah. Yeah, there's a few more that are

465
00:35:57.519 --> 00:36:00.719
that are really cool. I wanted
to talk about. One of them is

466
00:36:00.760 --> 00:36:07.559
called ag rog. This is the
old hag phenomenon. Also called agrog was

467
00:36:07.599 --> 00:36:12.920
described by residents of Newfoundland in the
nineteen seventies. Believe your believers of this

468
00:36:13.039 --> 00:36:16.400
attribute paralysis, pressure on the chest, and other symptoms to blood that is

469
00:36:16.440 --> 00:36:23.079
stagnated or an enemy who wants to
harm the sleeper is another thing that kind

470
00:36:23.079 --> 00:36:30.119
of comes up a lot, like
some old cultures that believe in like witch

471
00:36:30.159 --> 00:36:39.760
doctors or what's the other like voodoo
type stuff and even theosophically like Blovotsky talks

472
00:36:39.800 --> 00:36:45.119
about, like the adepts that could
have ill intentions and kind of like sick

473
00:36:45.199 --> 00:36:49.679
these things. That stuff definitely does
exist, you know what I mean,

474
00:36:49.760 --> 00:36:52.519
like witches and all that. You
know, I mean, obviously it's mythologized,

475
00:36:53.039 --> 00:36:57.440
but I mean that that stuff's real, man, No, it absolutely

476
00:36:57.519 --> 00:37:00.800
is. I mean it's it's the
dark side of the coin, right.

477
00:37:00.199 --> 00:37:07.480
It's like we hear at this podcast
this community, like we've seen miracles,

478
00:37:07.599 --> 00:37:15.000
we've seen the light side of this
phenomenon of the soul, and you have

479
00:37:15.079 --> 00:37:19.679
to understand that, like there is
another side to that coin that is very

480
00:37:19.719 --> 00:37:24.480
it's just as real, right,
And it all comes down to your intentions,

481
00:37:24.920 --> 00:37:32.119
right, right, It's like this
the phenomenon is real, period and

482
00:37:32.199 --> 00:37:37.760
how you interact with that. It
all stems from your own personal intentions.

483
00:37:37.760 --> 00:37:42.000
If you connect to it with like
love and lightheartedness and a pure intention,

484
00:37:42.599 --> 00:37:47.159
then only good things come from that. But like it is powerful inherently period,

485
00:37:47.199 --> 00:37:55.119
and that power can unfortunately be weaponized
by by people or entities with ill

486
00:37:55.159 --> 00:37:59.840
intentions. Yeah, or rather that
like you know, the phenomenon as we

487
00:38:00.159 --> 00:38:05.000
understand it is good, but there
are dark forces too, you know what

488
00:38:05.039 --> 00:38:07.920
I mean, like that people connect
with. But my favorite example of like

489
00:38:09.119 --> 00:38:15.800
nightmares would be HP Lovecraft, you
know, because I don't know if we

490
00:38:15.840 --> 00:38:19.800
did talk about this on our HP
Lovecraft episode. No, I cannot remember

491
00:38:19.800 --> 00:38:25.239
what number thirty seven. I don't
know, it's gonna be some totally different

492
00:38:25.280 --> 00:38:31.000
number, but I think thirty seven
is actually untold Encounters. But anyway,

493
00:38:31.119 --> 00:38:40.000
so so you're good for up to
thirty seven now something like that. We'll

494
00:38:40.039 --> 00:38:44.199
just keep pushing the limit. But
we did talk about this on the HP

495
00:38:44.280 --> 00:38:52.119
Lovecraft episode. Like, people don't
realize how much this man changed the world

496
00:38:52.159 --> 00:38:58.920
through his dreams, you know what
I mean. The first like for him

497
00:38:58.960 --> 00:39:04.079
to create the Ulu mythos and you
know, just the general HP Lovecraft lore

498
00:39:04.559 --> 00:39:08.280
he received it through nightmares, actual
nightmares. And it's crazy when you think

499
00:39:08.280 --> 00:39:12.280
about that, these little stories,
these nightmares he was having in his head.

500
00:39:12.320 --> 00:39:15.639
He writes them down and he goes
and he publishes them, and one

501
00:39:15.679 --> 00:39:17.800
hundred years later, No, you're
not gonna turn on the TV and you

502
00:39:17.800 --> 00:39:22.000
know see all the greatest HP Lovecraft
hits, but a lot of the greatest

503
00:39:22.000 --> 00:39:24.960
horror hits of all time. You
go dig deep and you look at you

504
00:39:24.960 --> 00:39:30.920
know, interviews with the directors and
the authors of these stories. Stephen King

505
00:39:30.000 --> 00:39:36.960
for example, John Carpenter, Guillermo
del Toro, and many numerous others will

506
00:39:37.000 --> 00:39:39.960
tell you like, oh, yeah, I was completely inspired by HP Lovecraft.

507
00:39:40.159 --> 00:39:47.320
This guy changed the horror genre through
his nightmares. So that begs the

508
00:39:47.400 --> 00:39:52.320
question to me. You know,
sure, it's dark, it's spooky dreams,

509
00:39:52.000 --> 00:39:58.280
but is there's something real to dreams? You know what I mean?

510
00:39:58.320 --> 00:40:00.840
There's gotta be so much so that
one one person can have these haunting nightmares

511
00:40:00.840 --> 00:40:06.559
in his childhood, publish them,
alter the course of history for the next

512
00:40:06.719 --> 00:40:09.960
or not history, alter the course
of horror for the next one hundred years.

513
00:40:10.000 --> 00:40:14.360
You know that man was having some
powerful dreams, but that there's something

514
00:40:14.400 --> 00:40:15.719
to it. You know there's something
real. I mean I had a dream

515
00:40:15.719 --> 00:40:21.519
that literally became reality. Yeah,
that's another thing I wanted to talk about,

516
00:40:21.599 --> 00:40:22.800
precognition. Tell me about it.
No, I don't want to.

517
00:40:23.039 --> 00:40:25.440
I'm sure you like, I just
like, fine, Yeah, I don't

518
00:40:25.440 --> 00:40:28.239
want to go into it. That's
fine, that's but you just have to

519
00:40:28.239 --> 00:40:30.079
take my word for it. Yeah. No, That's another thing that comes

520
00:40:30.159 --> 00:40:37.199
up a lot, is like this
precognition phenomenon within dreams. But before we

521
00:40:37.280 --> 00:40:40.239
go to that, on the HP
Lovecraft thing, I got some nightmares talk

522
00:40:40.280 --> 00:40:44.480
about too. Oh yes, I
would love to hear about your nightmares,

523
00:40:44.519 --> 00:40:50.519
anything to like give me a peek
into your fascinating brain. Uh. But

524
00:40:51.519 --> 00:40:55.480
yeah, with the the Lovecraft thing, there's a couple of things a you

525
00:40:55.519 --> 00:41:00.280
know, saying you know there's something
to it, or like it means something

526
00:41:00.360 --> 00:41:05.559
like look at like Carl Jung like
his whole you know. He in his

527
00:41:05.639 --> 00:41:12.679
career he was one of the biggest
pioneers in dream analysis. Like he He

528
00:41:12.800 --> 00:41:20.480
is on record saying that he has
analyzed no less than eighty thousand dreams of

529
00:41:20.760 --> 00:41:24.639
from himself but mostly his patients.
Wow. That is wild. Oh yeah,

530
00:41:24.679 --> 00:41:30.800
no less And he says it very
likely was more but no less than

531
00:41:30.960 --> 00:41:37.599
eighty thousand, like deeply taking notes
and analyzing and cross referencing to understand these

532
00:41:37.679 --> 00:41:44.719
dreams. And like one of the
biggest things that he kind of pioneered in

533
00:41:45.159 --> 00:41:50.920
understanding dreams is archetypes, right,
you know, pulling like collective unconscious exactly.

534
00:41:51.360 --> 00:41:58.000
And and I mean Lovecraft's works are
so abstract, right, they're so

535
00:41:58.719 --> 00:42:01.280
it was the first of its kind, absolutely, it was the first.

536
00:42:01.400 --> 00:42:07.719
Yeah. And and that's what happens
when a new work like materializes in this

537
00:42:07.800 --> 00:42:14.000
world that is outside of the bounds
that anyone's ever seen before. Mm hmm,

538
00:42:15.079 --> 00:42:20.119
The world like morphs around it.
Right, It's like, whoa like

539
00:42:20.199 --> 00:42:24.960
this this new unique experience that that
no one there's there's never been anything like

540
00:42:25.039 --> 00:42:32.119
it. It completely warps everything around
it because it's so interesting and compelling.

541
00:42:32.880 --> 00:42:37.840
One that it could come from like
a human mind. And two, I

542
00:42:38.000 --> 00:42:45.440
feel like it resonates with people's souls
and with their spirits, right because they're

543
00:42:45.519 --> 00:42:50.639
like subconsciously picking up on the archetypes, and they're picking up on these like

544
00:42:50.800 --> 00:42:55.159
universal truths that are being told within
these stories, right, totally agree.

545
00:42:55.639 --> 00:43:00.960
Yeah, Like, if you if
you approach Lovecraft's work. From like a

546
00:43:00.039 --> 00:43:06.119
rudimentary standpoint, it's like what,
like, what are we talking about here?

547
00:43:06.239 --> 00:43:07.360
And it's deep too. There's another
layer to it because, like,

548
00:43:07.519 --> 00:43:13.840
you know, his main story,
they call it Cuthulhu. Even within the

549
00:43:13.880 --> 00:43:16.840
story, which you know, we
know that he at least the stories were

550
00:43:16.880 --> 00:43:21.800
inspired by his dreams. I'm sure
he didn't dream every word, you know.

551
00:43:22.280 --> 00:43:25.599
Yeah, But like even in the
story, there's these multiple perspectives going

552
00:43:25.639 --> 00:43:30.039
on different timelines that are happening.
It's like in the past when they're doing

553
00:43:30.039 --> 00:43:35.039
these rituals and worshiping these effigies of
Cuthulhu. It's like this cult Louisiana.

554
00:43:35.079 --> 00:43:38.119
And then there's another timeline of a
cop that's like investigating them, and then

555
00:43:38.119 --> 00:43:44.840
there's this other one of like this
young guy who's like analyzing this professor's notes.

556
00:43:44.920 --> 00:43:47.679
It's like three different things all converging
into one point, which was Cuthulhu

557
00:43:47.719 --> 00:43:51.800
being summoned and rising from the sea. You know. But even in the

558
00:43:51.840 --> 00:43:58.239
story, like the initiates in the
cult of Cthulhu and the people also involved

559
00:43:58.360 --> 00:44:02.599
were receiving mess just through dreams,
you know, So like he's dreaming of

560
00:44:02.639 --> 00:44:06.960
the story, and then in his
story they're dreaming of this deity, you

561
00:44:06.960 --> 00:44:08.360
know. So it's like the levels
just get deeper and deeper, deeper.

562
00:44:08.400 --> 00:44:14.360
It's it's very fascinating. But yeah, it's like he was incepting that into

563
00:44:14.440 --> 00:44:17.079
the story that like, these things
are being revealed to him through dreams,

564
00:44:17.079 --> 00:44:21.679
through dreams, yep, and therefore
the characters the same thing is happening with

565
00:44:21.719 --> 00:44:25.679
them. Yeah. Yeah, God, it's crazy. It is extremely groundbreaking,

566
00:44:25.800 --> 00:44:30.400
wild stuff. Young talks about that
a lot, how like they are

567
00:44:30.519 --> 00:44:37.159
messages from your unconscious, like dreams
are messages from your unconscious, particularly animal

568
00:44:37.239 --> 00:44:43.079
symbols, because animals have existed as
long, you know, as we've been

569
00:44:43.119 --> 00:44:45.239
around at least, right, could
be longer. I don't know. I

570
00:44:45.239 --> 00:44:51.400
mean, I'm not an expert here, but freaking it is a universally accepted

571
00:44:51.639 --> 00:44:58.199
symbol across pretty much every culture that
animals have some significant meaning, and and

572
00:44:58.480 --> 00:45:04.800
a lot of times this signific eificant
spiritual meaning comes from their behaviors observed in

573
00:45:04.920 --> 00:45:07.440
nature, like the hawk, you
know, the Egyptians or even the Greeks,

574
00:45:07.480 --> 00:45:10.639
you know, they depicted Zeus as
an eagle. Raw was a hawk.

575
00:45:10.719 --> 00:45:15.199
It flies above everything else, you
know, and they would intuit these

576
00:45:15.280 --> 00:45:17.559
meanings from the behaviors of the animal
and where they lie in the food chain.

577
00:45:17.800 --> 00:45:21.880
But that carries over into our dreams. Oh yeah, you know.

578
00:45:22.239 --> 00:45:25.320
Yung was big on that, like
the collective animal symbolism is universal. Oh

579
00:45:25.400 --> 00:45:29.239
yeah, And that took me a
while to accept, but it makes a

580
00:45:29.280 --> 00:45:34.119
lot of sense. Yeah, you
look at really any system of spirituality,

581
00:45:34.320 --> 00:45:40.440
even like exoteric Christianity, Like in
every system, the lion of Judah.

582
00:45:40.679 --> 00:45:44.199
Yeah, this is the lion is
the king of the jungle. You know,

583
00:45:44.239 --> 00:45:49.679
it's absolutely most powerful animal they could
conceive of from everything to ancient Aztec,

584
00:45:49.760 --> 00:45:55.360
Ancient Egyptian, Mesopotamian, Native American
indigenous cultures. It's it's like a

585
00:45:55.599 --> 00:46:05.440
universal accepted thing in any spiritual system
them that animals are are significant symbols,

586
00:46:06.639 --> 00:46:09.519
you know. And I find it
so interesting that through young or young however

587
00:46:09.519 --> 00:46:15.000
you pronounce it. Through his life, he started when he started like analyzing

588
00:46:15.079 --> 00:46:21.199
dreams and stuff, he started in
a more from like a more skeptical lens

589
00:46:21.679 --> 00:46:25.239
or maybe like a just just a
more grounded maybe we should say, like

590
00:46:25.280 --> 00:46:31.199
a more just strictly scientific lens.
And as he progressed in his career,

591
00:46:31.280 --> 00:46:36.199
as he analyzed more and more and
more and more dreams. You see in

592
00:46:36.239 --> 00:46:39.679
his works, in his writings,
you see him begin to talk about the

593
00:46:39.719 --> 00:46:46.639
soul and the spirit and the collective
conscious shadow. The shadow, Yeah,

594
00:46:46.960 --> 00:46:51.440
just like the four layers of the
archetype of mind or something like that.

595
00:46:51.840 --> 00:46:54.840
Is so he coined the term synchronicity. I didn't know that he coined the

596
00:46:54.920 --> 00:46:58.800
term. I knew he was like
a pioneer in bringing that about, but

597
00:46:58.880 --> 00:47:02.079
I didn't know he coined. I
don't know the he created the actual word,

598
00:47:02.119 --> 00:47:06.519
but I mean, for what it
is today, he branded it that

599
00:47:06.960 --> 00:47:12.000
through a dream. Yeah. And
originally when he was like noticing these synchronicity

600
00:47:12.079 --> 00:47:17.960
things, he even originally viewed it
as like a like a light form of

601
00:47:19.039 --> 00:47:22.800
psychosis. And then as he goes
on and on, he realizes like,

602
00:47:22.920 --> 00:47:24.960
oh no, this is a spiritual
thing. This is yeah, a message.

603
00:47:24.960 --> 00:47:29.119
By the end of his life,
he was a deeply devout gnostic slash

604
00:47:29.119 --> 00:47:31.119
occultist, like he was all in
on the spiritual angle. But it was

605
00:47:31.159 --> 00:47:35.119
either he had the dream. It's
been a long time since I've read this

606
00:47:35.159 --> 00:47:37.119
story, but I can't remember if
it was him that had this specific dream

607
00:47:37.199 --> 00:47:42.480
or if it was a patient.
But the dream was this golden beetle,

608
00:47:42.840 --> 00:47:45.039
like an Egyptian beetle, like you
see Kepri You know, I don't know

609
00:47:45.079 --> 00:47:50.800
what you'd call that kind of beetle, but a scare a beetle. He

610
00:47:50.880 --> 00:47:55.199
dreams of this golden beetle, right, and the next day or shortly after,

611
00:47:55.599 --> 00:48:00.519
he's in a session with a client
and he turned and he sees a

612
00:48:00.519 --> 00:48:05.199
golden beetle on the window. So
Jung is going crazy and he's like,

613
00:48:05.800 --> 00:48:13.880
Okay, there can't be a coincidence
between this profound internal event that I'm experiencing

614
00:48:14.239 --> 00:48:19.719
and then in real life shortly after, I'm witnessing what was profound to me

615
00:48:19.920 --> 00:48:24.239
internally in the external world. This
is this is a synchronicity, basically,

616
00:48:24.679 --> 00:48:30.639
is what he coined to that the
connection of events that are external and internal

617
00:48:30.880 --> 00:48:35.800
but they're not random. Yeah right, yeah, from a dream. Yeah,

618
00:48:35.840 --> 00:48:42.280
absolutely, he kind of He witnessed
a lot of precognition in dreams,

619
00:48:42.719 --> 00:48:45.920
in some of his own dreams like
that, and also in dreams that he

620
00:48:45.960 --> 00:48:52.119
observed of his patients. There's this
one like crazy and it's kind of dark.

621
00:48:52.480 --> 00:48:57.639
Warning. He had a he had
a patient that he had a session

622
00:48:57.679 --> 00:49:00.880
with and you know this is when
he was like deep smack dab in the

623
00:49:00.920 --> 00:49:06.719
middle of his like dream analysis stretch
where that's like all he was doing.

624
00:49:06.760 --> 00:49:10.480
That was his like brand of therapy. Like that's how he was, you

625
00:49:10.480 --> 00:49:17.880
know, therapizing people, was analyzing
their dreams. And this patient comes in

626
00:49:19.679 --> 00:49:23.159
and is telling him, I had
this dream that I went on a hiking

627
00:49:23.239 --> 00:49:29.760
trip and I was hiking to the
top of this beautiful mountain and I was

628
00:49:29.840 --> 00:49:34.320
with like friends and family and we
were hiking up to the top and when

629
00:49:34.360 --> 00:49:42.039
I reached the summit, I continued
climbing into the air. Oh but then

630
00:49:43.400 --> 00:49:49.679
he he fell from the mountain and
before he hit the ground, he woke

631
00:49:49.760 --> 00:49:52.679
up. That's a funny thing about
dreams, like you never hit the ground.

632
00:49:52.000 --> 00:49:55.119
You know. There was like this
wives table. True, I've had

633
00:49:55.119 --> 00:49:58.960
many of those dreams. Oh yeah, I'm falling and then I just never

634
00:49:59.039 --> 00:50:00.840
hit the ground. Yeah, there's
this old wives tale that like if you

635
00:50:00.920 --> 00:50:05.679
hit the ground in your sleep,
you'll die right in real life. Have

636
00:50:05.679 --> 00:50:07.960
you ever heard that? Yes?
Yeah, yeah, usually like jolt awake

637
00:50:08.039 --> 00:50:13.840
and stuff. But the patient,
you know, told him that dreaming whatever.

638
00:50:14.320 --> 00:50:21.360
And at this point he had started
like categorizing dreams and he he was

639
00:50:21.400 --> 00:50:29.119
studying precognition in dreams and even precognition
in the form of warnings, and he

640
00:50:29.239 --> 00:50:31.159
took this as a warning. He
took this as a warning, and he

641
00:50:31.280 --> 00:50:37.320
told the patient, I believe this
is a warning. I believe that you

642
00:50:37.519 --> 00:50:45.159
need to stay away from like high
elevations and like stay grounded for a while

643
00:50:45.239 --> 00:50:50.480
and whatever. Three months later,
that guy died falling off of a mountain.

644
00:50:50.840 --> 00:50:55.400
No way, that dude didn't listen. It was right before his eyes.

645
00:50:55.480 --> 00:50:59.960
Man, he dreamed it literally,
and he's going to a mountain.

646
00:51:00.840 --> 00:51:05.320
Yeah. He literally told ume in
that session like, well, I am

647
00:51:05.400 --> 00:51:07.559
planning on going on a big hike
in a few months, and you was

648
00:51:07.599 --> 00:51:10.840
like, yeah, I would call
that off. And the guy pretty much

649
00:51:10.840 --> 00:51:15.159
straight up told him like I think
I'll be fine, oh man. And

650
00:51:15.440 --> 00:51:19.039
I mean that was tough for me
because it's like, can you live your

651
00:51:19.079 --> 00:51:23.519
life because of a dream? Apparently
not? Apparently not. I mean,

652
00:51:23.559 --> 00:51:27.599
like you're gonna let it like dictate
everything. Well, he died, alex

653
00:51:28.280 --> 00:51:30.679
respect Oh you know what else,
This is even crazier. He fell on

654
00:51:30.719 --> 00:51:36.559
someone and killed them. Oh my
god. It was so catastrophic. That's

655
00:51:36.639 --> 00:51:39.239
crazy, that's wild, so here's
what I pull from it, Alex.

656
00:51:39.239 --> 00:51:43.039
It's a good point. Like,
you know, are you just supposed to

657
00:51:43.119 --> 00:51:47.440
take every dream as a warning?
Well no, even Yume would say,

658
00:51:47.800 --> 00:51:52.440
and he has said that, No, absolutely not. Like all dreams are

659
00:51:52.480 --> 00:51:57.880
not warnings. You should not like
morph your life around them. But the

660
00:51:57.920 --> 00:52:05.440
importance of getting to know your dreams
and your dream state is that you will

661
00:52:05.719 --> 00:52:09.880
eventually get to a point where you
can differentiate and you'll be able to tell

662
00:52:09.960 --> 00:52:15.119
like, Okay, this is a
warning, this is a symbol. I

663
00:52:15.159 --> 00:52:19.079
believe that because you know, I
pay attention to my dreams if I can

664
00:52:19.119 --> 00:52:22.280
remember them, and especially if there's
animal symbolism. Like a week ago,

665
00:52:22.280 --> 00:52:27.000
I had a dream that I was
laying in bed and I was tickling a

666
00:52:27.000 --> 00:52:31.119
happy monkey, really was he was
just he was giggling. And I looked

667
00:52:31.119 --> 00:52:34.840
it up, and you know,
like I anytime I see an animal,

668
00:52:34.840 --> 00:52:37.519
oh, you know, an alligator's
chilling next to me, Okay, I

669
00:52:37.519 --> 00:52:40.920
look it up. You know,
a dog bit my arm last night in

670
00:52:40.960 --> 00:52:44.199
a dream, I'm assuming, yeah, yeah, yeah, And I looked

671
00:52:44.199 --> 00:52:47.079
it up, and it means someone
betrayed you. Who betrayed you? I

672
00:52:47.079 --> 00:52:52.360
don't know, not me. It
wasn't me either. No, I just

673
00:52:52.400 --> 00:52:53.920
thought it was interesting. We'll find
out a bit by a dog. I

674
00:52:53.960 --> 00:52:59.440
also got my dog because of a
dream. Oh really yeah? Uh?

675
00:53:00.320 --> 00:53:02.599
Me and Olivia had been talking about
getting a dog for weeks, kind of

676
00:53:02.639 --> 00:53:06.559
on and off. Whatever, what
breed do you want to get? This?

677
00:53:06.599 --> 00:53:09.199
And that? And then I had
this dream man where this old couple

678
00:53:10.000 --> 00:53:15.639
brought me a black dog like a
puppy, a tiny little puppy, and

679
00:53:15.679 --> 00:53:17.320
said, this is yours, like, take care of it, and the

680
00:53:17.400 --> 00:53:21.519
whole rest of the dream I had
this black dog. And then I wake

681
00:53:21.599 --> 00:53:23.920
up the next morning and I'm sitting
and I'm looking on my phone and the

682
00:53:23.960 --> 00:53:30.000
breeder that my buddy got his dog
from had two black dogs left and they

683
00:53:30.000 --> 00:53:35.760
were on sale. And I'm sitting
there. Olivia just came home and I

684
00:53:35.760 --> 00:53:37.119
said, look, what do you
think? She said, let's do it?

685
00:53:37.519 --> 00:53:40.000
And I messaged her and there was
only one left, and I said,

686
00:53:40.039 --> 00:53:43.599
I want that one. Wow,
And it's the best dog I've ever

687
00:53:43.639 --> 00:53:47.760
had. I love your dog.
Can I just say that she's a sweetie?

688
00:53:47.800 --> 00:53:51.960
Can I just say that I really
like? Don't tell her she was

689
00:53:52.000 --> 00:53:55.639
on sale? Well, I don't
think she knows English. Bud, you'd

690
00:53:55.679 --> 00:53:59.960
be surprised. She knows a lot. Yeah, that's true. Dogs dog

691
00:54:00.039 --> 00:54:00.920
snow quite a bit. She knows
a lot. She's a good girl.

692
00:54:00.960 --> 00:54:07.639
That's that's interesting. Do you did
you like interpret that as direct like precognition

693
00:54:07.039 --> 00:54:16.960
or did you allow that dream to
inform the doggy that you purchased. The

694
00:54:17.119 --> 00:54:23.840
dream got me thinking, and then
the advertisement for the dog was complete.

695
00:54:23.920 --> 00:54:30.920
Algorithm happened. Chance, Yeah,
like synchronicity, if you will. And

696
00:54:30.960 --> 00:54:37.400
then the dream gave me the confidence
to follow through. But had Olivia said

697
00:54:37.440 --> 00:54:42.320
no, wouldn't have done it.
But it was literally like I'm sitting there,

698
00:54:42.320 --> 00:54:44.480
I said, what do you think
look at the picture? She said,

699
00:54:44.760 --> 00:54:46.480
let's do it. Yeah, Like
didn't even think about it for a

700
00:54:46.559 --> 00:54:50.719
second. I also had a dream
about the motorcycle before I got it,

701
00:54:50.800 --> 00:54:54.440
really and dude, no, because
I'm struggling with this thing, like my

702
00:54:54.480 --> 00:54:59.719
whole family doesn't want me to get
one. My mom obviously does not want

703
00:54:59.760 --> 00:55:04.119
me to have one. And I
had a dream I'm riding one and someone

704
00:55:04.119 --> 00:55:06.360
in a convertible pulls up next to
me and is like, dude, get

705
00:55:06.400 --> 00:55:08.199
it. You're gonna be fine.
Man. He just drives away. Becose

706
00:55:08.280 --> 00:55:12.760
Yeah, and I'd wake up and
I'm like, man, the guy drives

707
00:55:12.840 --> 00:55:17.760
up, He's like, get a
hold. But like I had a lot

708
00:55:17.800 --> 00:55:21.599
of nightmares as a kid. Really
me too, man, Yeah, a

709
00:55:21.599 --> 00:55:25.239
lot of abduction nightmares. Really like
I was abducted multiple times, three four,

710
00:55:25.400 --> 00:55:30.679
five times inducted by human noise.
Yeah, man, yeah in a

711
00:55:30.800 --> 00:55:34.440
van and I'm locked in a car
and I can't get out. Oh I

712
00:55:34.480 --> 00:55:38.840
had different abduction dreams. Oh no, I'm talking like child. Yeah,

713
00:55:38.880 --> 00:55:43.559
like child abduction dreams had a lot
then growing up, had a lot of

714
00:55:43.599 --> 00:55:46.519
high school dreams. And now my
bad dreams aren't like nightmares. They're like

715
00:55:46.719 --> 00:55:51.599
I wake up angry or like stressed
out, Like they're like all psychological.

716
00:55:52.280 --> 00:55:55.960
Like the other night, I had
a dream like I was getting my brother

717
00:55:57.079 --> 00:55:59.840
was driving me to the point where
I wanted to physically beat him up,

718
00:56:00.519 --> 00:56:04.800
which is strange because we have a
better relationship than ever. And I wake

719
00:56:04.880 --> 00:56:07.480
up so confused because I'm like,
man, I just spent like the last

720
00:56:07.480 --> 00:56:10.400
two hours like hating you, Like
this is so weird, you know,

721
00:56:12.440 --> 00:56:15.159
And I don't know a lot of
them are just so psychological, Like I

722
00:56:15.280 --> 00:56:19.079
just get so stirred up and I
have to like wake up and then like

723
00:56:19.119 --> 00:56:21.679
I try to talk him out with
Olivia and so that I can go back

724
00:56:21.719 --> 00:56:25.719
to sleep. But yeah, no, not like shockingly bad like wake up

725
00:56:25.760 --> 00:56:31.880
screaming, just like frustrating dreams.
So strange. It's probably telling you something.

726
00:56:32.000 --> 00:56:36.599
I mean, you know, maybe
there's something that you're like holding back

727
00:56:36.679 --> 00:56:42.079
and not saying to him, or
maybe there's some kind of unsettled thing within

728
00:56:42.159 --> 00:56:44.719
you towards him, or I don't
know. I feel like we've been doing

729
00:56:44.760 --> 00:56:47.119
pretty good, like better than ever. I mean, he's living with me

730
00:56:47.239 --> 00:56:52.679
right now. Yeah, big thing, he's in my space. Honestly,

731
00:56:52.719 --> 00:56:54.400
he's been great. I barely see
him. He goes to places pool all

732
00:56:54.480 --> 00:57:00.760
day, goes to the pool hall. He's a pool shark, phenomenally phenomenal

733
00:57:00.800 --> 00:57:04.679
at pool, puts the hours in, comes home, watches it on YouTube.

734
00:57:05.239 --> 00:57:07.840
Really yeah, and then like I'm
in bed when he comes home,

735
00:57:08.039 --> 00:57:10.880
and then I wake up, he's
still asleep. I leave for work,

736
00:57:10.920 --> 00:57:14.519
he leaves at some point and then
he comes back like late at night,

737
00:57:14.519 --> 00:57:16.760
like I've never seen him. Wow. So it's like it's not that's why,

738
00:57:19.360 --> 00:57:22.880
yeah, you want to see him
more, That's why you're frustrated with

739
00:57:22.960 --> 00:57:24.599
him in your dreams. Maybe it
could be. It could be. I

740
00:57:24.639 --> 00:57:28.639
mean I don't feel that way.
I feel like, you know, I

741
00:57:28.679 --> 00:57:30.360
feel like, now that he lives
here, I'm like, oh, I've

742
00:57:30.360 --> 00:57:32.079
got time. You know, I'm
not. I'm not stressed out about spending

743
00:57:32.119 --> 00:57:35.719
time with Year. I thought the
same thing when he came to boot Camp

744
00:57:35.719 --> 00:57:39.440
of Fun and it was over in
a flash. It really was like,

745
00:57:39.440 --> 00:57:43.119
like, no time. I love
how boot Camp of Fun turned into like

746
00:57:43.119 --> 00:57:47.519
a rude awakening that you're adults.
I mean that's an exaggeration. You know,

747
00:57:47.639 --> 00:57:52.239
we still had fun. It's just
we had fun, cooking dinner,

748
00:57:52.440 --> 00:57:58.039
no show, no exactly. I
just love the expectation that it's like two

749
00:57:58.119 --> 00:58:00.880
week land party straight right. Yeah, and now it's like, okay,

750
00:58:00.920 --> 00:58:04.920
we have jobs, Like are we
going to walk down? No, here's

751
00:58:04.960 --> 00:58:07.360
the reality. Jenny lives here too, and it would have been pretty whack

752
00:58:07.400 --> 00:58:10.159
if for two weeks we just blew
her off and left her to her own

753
00:58:10.400 --> 00:58:15.119
yeah devices, and we just you
know, I mean, we did fun,

754
00:58:15.199 --> 00:58:16.760
all hanging out together, the three
of us. Yeah, that's really

755
00:58:16.760 --> 00:58:21.599
what it was. But Jenny don't
be gaming like this, So we were

756
00:58:21.719 --> 00:58:23.920
gonna get her on the land.
Yeah. Yeah, I've been trying to

757
00:58:23.920 --> 00:58:27.679
get her a game. Bro.
But Bro, I don't know. I

758
00:58:27.719 --> 00:58:34.119
just find it so fascinating that,
like, how far back like the study

759
00:58:34.159 --> 00:58:38.760
of dream like, you know,
the whole concept of like oracles and witch

760
00:58:38.800 --> 00:58:45.719
doctors and like that kind of stuff, it all came from people having prophetic

761
00:58:45.840 --> 00:58:51.199
dreams. Yeah, I mean,
dreams are like pretty much every ancient religion

762
00:58:51.519 --> 00:58:55.719
or spiritual culture. I guess you
could say, ever hold some high regard

763
00:58:55.719 --> 00:59:00.880
towards dreams, like you know,
the entire cosmology of the Hindu. Let

764
00:59:00.880 --> 00:59:02.480
me just read it to you.
Yeah, it's very fascinating and I think

765
00:59:02.480 --> 00:59:07.000
it's very important, and I think
it's true. I got a question when

766
00:59:07.000 --> 00:59:07.960
you're done reading, Well, why
don't you go ahead and ask it?

767
00:59:08.000 --> 00:59:12.920
Now? I'm anticipating it. Well, do y'all ever ask for dreams I

768
00:59:12.960 --> 00:59:19.000
have before? I have not.
I haven't. No, I've always just

769
00:59:19.119 --> 00:59:22.119
kind of just let my I mean, like I said, I had a

770
00:59:22.119 --> 00:59:24.719
couple of stints where I tried to
influence my dreams. It didn't really turn

771
00:59:24.760 --> 00:59:28.840
out super well. I just always
kind of let them happen. But I

772
00:59:28.880 --> 00:59:34.440
have had as many times as I've
had sleep paralysis. I've also had like

773
00:59:34.599 --> 00:59:39.880
precognitive dreams, like a dream where
sometime in the future I will realize,

774
00:59:40.079 --> 00:59:44.760
oh my god, I dreamt this
exact scenario. I had one recently,

775
00:59:45.159 --> 00:59:46.559
really like just a few weeks ago, and it actually came true within a

776
00:59:46.599 --> 00:59:52.800
matter of days. Yeah, So
I'll keep it vague for the sake of

777
00:59:52.440 --> 00:59:59.719
who I'm going to talk about.
But there's this cousin of mine who he's

778
00:59:59.760 --> 01:00:02.800
just a older than me, and
we didn't really hang out much or anything.

779
01:00:02.880 --> 01:00:07.000
I mean, he's like probably twenty
years older than me, and I

780
01:00:07.440 --> 01:00:13.599
have not had the chance other than
like family holidays and gatherings and get togethers

781
01:00:13.599 --> 01:00:16.760
and things like that, like that's
when we get together. And I just

782
01:00:16.800 --> 01:00:21.159
had a vivid dream that we were
hanging out, and it was a really

783
01:00:21.199 --> 01:00:25.239
vivid dream. Like I woke up
thinking like that was really random, and

784
01:00:25.280 --> 01:00:28.480
I kid you not. Like two
days later, he called me on the

785
01:00:28.519 --> 01:00:30.920
phone. He hasn't called me since
I thought about it. I racked my

786
01:00:30.920 --> 01:00:36.320
brain. When was the last time
he called me? Twenty twelve? Wow,

787
01:00:36.400 --> 01:00:42.440
and two nights before I never dream
about him. I was complete.

788
01:00:42.599 --> 01:00:45.840
I felt it, I guess two
days in advance and I was shook by

789
01:00:45.840 --> 01:00:51.360
that. That was like last month. That yeah, that's it's so it's

790
01:00:51.519 --> 01:00:55.079
so abstract because you know, in
our like meat bodies, we think about

791
01:00:55.199 --> 01:01:00.880
time as completely linear, and spiritually
we know that it's not. And even

792
01:01:01.079 --> 01:01:08.639
like even not pseudoscience but whatever,
I don't quantum mechanics and stuff like that

793
01:01:08.679 --> 01:01:14.239
suggests that it's absolutely not. Like
time is not linear. It's it's more

794
01:01:14.280 --> 01:01:19.039
like a ball or a sphere or
something. And like you can your soul

795
01:01:19.119 --> 01:01:22.880
can pick up on things in the
future, in the past, like past

796
01:01:22.920 --> 01:01:30.480
lives dreams, Like that's another thing
that has been recorded throughout antiquity, you

797
01:01:30.480 --> 01:01:34.679
know, like people having dreams of
their past lives and then something strange and

798
01:01:34.719 --> 01:01:37.840
they're waking life kind of corroborates it, you know. But yeah, no,

799
01:01:37.920 --> 01:01:43.639
the precognitive dream thing is it's it's
a shock to the system when it

800
01:01:43.679 --> 01:01:49.159
happens, right. I just remembered
one what I just remembered one where I

801
01:01:49.360 --> 01:01:52.199
was, you know, I had
a dream, was in a waiting room

802
01:01:52.800 --> 01:02:00.320
with two of my deceased relatives and
they told me that I had answer mmm,

803
01:02:01.119 --> 01:02:05.440
And then I've woke up freaking out, calling Ryan, like I don't

804
01:02:05.440 --> 01:02:07.519
know what to do. We've talked
about that on it, Yeah, we

805
01:02:07.559 --> 01:02:09.400
talked about it. Yeah, And
I'm like, so that's where I'm like,

806
01:02:09.639 --> 01:02:13.920
you know, I haven't gotten checked
out. I don't know. I

807
01:02:13.960 --> 01:02:16.360
feel fine. I don't think I
have cancer. But it was just like,

808
01:02:16.480 --> 01:02:20.519
clear as day, this is what's
going on with you. And I

809
01:02:20.639 --> 01:02:22.840
was like, holy crap, No, I'm pretty sure you don't have cancer.

810
01:02:22.880 --> 01:02:25.119
Man. I had a dream that
I fought the Red Power Ranger one

811
01:02:25.159 --> 01:02:30.960
time. I mean different dreams,
but yeah, no, And I'm just

812
01:02:31.000 --> 01:02:36.719
like, it's interesting. Well,
let's let's hear what our Hindu friends over

813
01:02:36.719 --> 01:02:38.960
in India have to say about the
creation and origin of the entire universe.

814
01:02:40.639 --> 01:02:46.719
So Brahma. Brahma is the creator
and great magician who dreams the universe into

815
01:02:46.760 --> 01:02:52.880
being. The dream itself is maintained
by Vishnu, the preserver, who uses

816
01:02:52.920 --> 01:02:59.880
Maya, or the veil of illusion
between worlds veil Amaya right uses maya to

817
01:03:00.000 --> 01:03:02.199
it's been the complex web that we
know as reality. It is not that

818
01:03:02.239 --> 01:03:08.000
the world is itself an illusion,
but only our perception of it. While

819
01:03:08.039 --> 01:03:13.280
Brahma creates the universe, Vishnu is
the source of all creation and he also

820
01:03:13.360 --> 01:03:16.559
sustains and protects the universe, making
his role a lot more complex than that

821
01:03:16.599 --> 01:03:22.800
of Brahmas. Vishnu is the all
pervading one derived from vis in Sanskrit,

822
01:03:22.840 --> 01:03:28.039
which means to spread and to be
present everywhere. Even when there was nothing,

823
01:03:28.079 --> 01:03:31.280
there was Vishnu present as a nameless, formless, dormant energy. In

824
01:03:31.280 --> 01:03:36.000
this unmanifested state, even Vishnu was
not aware of his own being. He

825
01:03:36.159 --> 01:03:38.480
just was. But just because he
was not perceived does not mean he did

826
01:03:38.480 --> 01:03:44.519
not exist. And this nothingness,
when the first ripple of awareness stirred spontaneously

827
01:03:44.559 --> 01:03:47.239
and of its own will, the
formless energy became Vishnu, the supreme being

828
01:03:47.719 --> 01:03:53.239
parab Brahman para Brahman as para Brahma. Vishnu lies in a dream like state

829
01:03:53.360 --> 01:03:59.400
on the serpent Adi Sessha Ananta,
who is time without beginning or end,

830
01:03:59.519 --> 01:04:04.679
kind of like the Boris and nor
Smith. Ananta floats for all eternity on

831
01:04:04.719 --> 01:04:11.519
the waters of the kasher Cigar,
the ocean of cosmic consciousness. When Brahma

832
01:04:11.519 --> 01:04:15.760
begins the process of creation, it
is Vishnu who expands into everything and becomes

833
01:04:15.840 --> 01:04:19.079
part of everything. Now he is
Brahm on the cosmic consciousness as if he

834
01:04:19.159 --> 01:04:24.280
is seeing a dream. Vishnu watches
Brahma create the universe. By the act

835
01:04:24.320 --> 01:04:29.679
of watching his dream, Vishnu sustains
the universe. When Vishnu wakes from his

836
01:04:29.800 --> 01:04:33.639
dream, one cycle of creation ends. So the idea here, and keep

837
01:04:33.639 --> 01:04:42.719
in mind, Hinduism is the oldest
recorded religion. I'm not counting Shamanism.

838
01:04:42.800 --> 01:04:50.199
I'm not counting you know, mystical
wisdom traditions. I'm talking religion. Yeah,

839
01:04:50.280 --> 01:04:57.719
yeah, Hinduism is over five thousand
years old. It predates most religions

840
01:04:57.719 --> 01:05:00.719
we've ever heard of, you know. And back then, even before the

841
01:05:00.800 --> 01:05:04.920
rig Vedas and the Upanashad and the
Baga bad Ghita and all of these text

842
01:05:04.920 --> 01:05:11.119
of theirs were ever written down on
paper or stone, they were orally transmitting

843
01:05:11.159 --> 01:05:14.400
this message through the ages. It's
just a big freaking dream, man.

844
01:05:15.000 --> 01:05:17.519
We're all in the dream of God. It's an illusion. It's all a

845
01:05:17.599 --> 01:05:20.280
dream, bro, And the real
reality is in the mind of God.

846
01:05:20.800 --> 01:05:25.480
You know, crazy stuff. Yeah, life is but a dream. Yeah,

847
01:05:25.559 --> 01:05:31.039
literally, I love that. Like
looking back on that, like nursery

848
01:05:31.199 --> 01:05:35.679
rhyme song or whatever, like with
through this lens, it's like one of

849
01:05:35.719 --> 01:05:41.280
the most deep mystical things that I've
ever heard in my life, like flow

850
01:05:41.320 --> 01:05:44.000
down the river. Life is but
a dream, Like that's the kind of

851
01:05:44.000 --> 01:05:47.039
the message of it. You guys
know, Joseph Campbell The Hero's Journey,

852
01:05:47.280 --> 01:05:50.039
Oh yeah, a lot of like
Star Wars was based on his work,

853
01:05:50.079 --> 01:05:55.519
and Joseph Campbell basically wrote these incredible
books. I have not read them myself,

854
01:05:55.559 --> 01:06:00.639
but I've a lot of the material
in his books is the same material

855
01:06:00.760 --> 01:06:03.679
that's just like you know, esotericism. Yeah right, but he's kind of

856
01:06:04.159 --> 01:06:08.679
he's kind of putting out in a
knowledge that's a little more plain and easy

857
01:06:08.719 --> 01:06:12.239
to understand. But I thought this
quote was really cool from Joseph Campbell.

858
01:06:12.760 --> 01:06:15.880
Brahma sits on a lotus, the
symbol of divine energy and grace. The

859
01:06:15.920 --> 01:06:19.599
lotus grows from the navel of Vishnu, who is the sleeping god whose dream

860
01:06:19.639 --> 01:06:23.800
is the universe. Brahma opens his
eyes and a world comes into being.

861
01:06:23.920 --> 01:06:28.360
Brahma closes his eyes and a world
goes out of being. Mm. So

862
01:06:28.440 --> 01:06:31.960
again, it's just it's it's the
concept that this supreme mind or intellect is

863
01:06:32.440 --> 01:06:38.039
dreaming, dreaming us us. Yes, now think about it. If you

864
01:06:38.159 --> 01:06:40.920
have a dream. Right, I'm
not talking about God or Brama. I'm

865
01:06:40.920 --> 01:06:45.079
talking about us. You have a
dream at night, right. Isn't every

866
01:06:45.320 --> 01:06:50.320
part of your dream some archetypal representation
of a part of your psyche? Oh

867
01:06:50.400 --> 01:06:55.519
yeah, yeah, I mean it
comes from the same mind that experiences your

868
01:06:55.519 --> 01:07:00.199
waking life. So couldn't the same
thing be said hypothetic if we really were

869
01:07:00.440 --> 01:07:04.559
the dream of God or Brahma,
the supreme being, wouldn't that make us

870
01:07:04.679 --> 01:07:10.639
equal parts of that one mind?
Right? At the mystical truth? We

871
01:07:10.679 --> 01:07:14.159
all have that divine spark, right, We're all We're all in the same

872
01:07:14.280 --> 01:07:17.440
we're experiencing the same dream. Yeah, you know. Yeah. Jung talks

873
01:07:17.440 --> 01:07:20.800
about a dream that he had where
he was like wandering through a forest at

874
01:07:20.880 --> 01:07:27.920
night and he like happened upon this
man, and he as he got closer

875
01:07:27.960 --> 01:07:31.599
and closer, he realized that the
man was him. And when he awoke,

876
01:07:31.719 --> 01:07:38.679
he realized that basically if that man
was the one that woke up,

877
01:07:39.000 --> 01:07:41.800
that he would have been the one
that he was dreaming about. Like he

878
01:07:42.159 --> 01:07:45.159
realized that, like that man in
that dream, realm is just as real

879
01:07:45.239 --> 01:07:49.800
as he is, right, and
it's just a different perspective What was that

880
01:07:49.840 --> 01:07:54.000
movie we just watched with Nicholas Cage, the one with the dream I can't

881
01:07:54.039 --> 01:07:59.239
remember the title dream Sequence or dream
Scenario, dream Scenario. That movie was

882
01:07:59.320 --> 01:08:03.719
awesome. That movie was hilarious and
it was really good. And yeah,

883
01:08:03.760 --> 01:08:08.639
that that just comes to mind because
everybody was dreaming of this one guy,

884
01:08:08.679 --> 01:08:11.960
you know, and he started I
don't think he dreamed of himself, but

885
01:08:12.679 --> 01:08:15.640
high that reminded me of that.
Highly recommend that movie. It is funny,

886
01:08:15.720 --> 01:08:19.800
it's unnerving, it's weird, it's
it's one of a kind, gripping,

887
01:08:19.880 --> 01:08:21.800
Yeah, for sure, one of
a kind. Yeah, very good

888
01:08:21.800 --> 01:08:26.119
movie. If you want to get
all kind of like deep down a rabbit

889
01:08:26.119 --> 01:08:28.560
hole on a movie about dreams,
that's a good one. Yeah. I've

890
01:08:28.560 --> 01:08:31.399
got an idea. What your idea. I think we should all go home

891
01:08:31.439 --> 01:08:38.600
tonight and make an effort to try
and like ask for dreams about each other

892
01:08:39.239 --> 01:08:43.640
and see if we show up in
each other's dreams tonight. Let's all try

893
01:08:43.680 --> 01:08:46.920
to go to the same place in
our dreams tonight and hang out. Okay,

894
01:08:46.960 --> 01:08:49.960
and maybe we could like let's do
it here. Maybe we could record

895
01:08:49.960 --> 01:08:54.920
an episode of the podcast from What
Dream Podcast Studio, Dream tonight, episode

896
01:08:54.960 --> 01:08:58.239
one in the Dream Realm. Yeah, that'd be pretty cool, man.

897
01:08:58.560 --> 01:09:02.960
Last thing I wanted to talk about
personally was the significance of the blue lotus

898
01:09:03.000 --> 01:09:06.920
flower in ancient Egypt. So you
guys know the blue lotus flower. We've

899
01:09:06.920 --> 01:09:10.600
all tried it in tea. We
talked together on an episode before. I

900
01:09:10.640 --> 01:09:12.640
think, yeah, but this is
the dream episode. Yeah, I'm not

901
01:09:12.680 --> 01:09:16.199
trying to get with it. Don't
try to silence me. Man, you're

902
01:09:16.239 --> 01:09:21.319
oppressive, dude. You're giving him
sleep brouses right now. Dude, you're

903
01:09:21.359 --> 01:09:26.560
you're an oppressive spirit to him.
Get off his chest. Malevolent specter,

904
01:09:27.399 --> 01:09:31.119
begone, begone. If y'all want
to see sleep browses, demon, I'll

905
01:09:31.159 --> 01:09:34.279
give you sleep brows I'm sure you
will. He got a demon dog in

906
01:09:34.319 --> 01:09:42.439
him, that hell hound. Okay, okay, anyway, what were you

907
01:09:42.479 --> 01:09:45.840
saying right? Oh? Yeah,
an ancient Egypt, there was this sacred

908
01:09:45.880 --> 01:09:51.760
flower known as the blue lotus or
it's like nim fay circula or something like

909
01:09:51.800 --> 01:09:57.039
that, and it's this plant that
it is a type of lotus, and

910
01:09:57.600 --> 01:10:01.479
it was revered as a sacred symbol
of raw or the sun because it has

911
01:10:01.520 --> 01:10:06.479
this these blue petals and then it
has this kind of like golden center,

912
01:10:08.000 --> 01:10:12.520
and every night it grows in water. It grows by the nile actually like

913
01:10:12.560 --> 01:10:18.119
on the nile, and every night
it closes and it submerges under the water

914
01:10:18.439 --> 01:10:21.279
like kind of like how a flower
grows in mud, you know, and

915
01:10:21.319 --> 01:10:25.399
then every day it comes out of
the water and it blooms again. So

916
01:10:25.479 --> 01:10:29.960
it's symbolic of the blue sky around
the sun. Right. So it was

917
01:10:30.000 --> 01:10:33.880
a very sacred plant. And it
has psychoactive properties, not like you know,

918
01:10:34.079 --> 01:10:39.199
cannabis or psilocybin or something else that'll
make you, you know, freaking

919
01:10:39.319 --> 01:10:44.239
ripped. But it doesn't do all
that, you know, it can stimulate

920
01:10:44.319 --> 01:10:47.680
lucid dreams. So actually, in
Egyptian rituals, they would ingest the blue

921
01:10:47.720 --> 01:10:50.359
lotus flower, they would make it
into a tea or a wine. Maybe

922
01:10:50.399 --> 01:10:54.199
they would smoke it if they figured
that out, I'm not sure. And

923
01:10:54.720 --> 01:10:58.640
they would do these rituals where they
would try to induce lucid dreams to speak

924
01:10:58.640 --> 01:11:01.800
to the gods, because in ancient
Egypt ancient Greece, like you mentioned earlier,

925
01:11:02.039 --> 01:11:06.279
dreams were believed to be a form
of oracle where they could commune with

926
01:11:06.319 --> 01:11:10.119
the higher forces in the spirit world. So I just thought that was very

927
01:11:10.119 --> 01:11:14.000
cool. You can buy a blue
Lotus online. I'm pretty sure it's just

928
01:11:14.119 --> 01:11:15.600
completely legal to buy. You just
order it and if you're gonna make tea,

929
01:11:15.720 --> 01:11:19.319
make your tea strong, and if
you're gonna decant it and wine,

930
01:11:19.560 --> 01:11:23.760
do that for like twenty four hours
or more. Yeah, you got to

931
01:11:23.840 --> 01:11:28.319
use quite a lot of it.
I've I've had Blue Lotus tea two or

932
01:11:28.319 --> 01:11:30.520
three times now, and I didn't
feel anything. Yes, I felt a

933
01:11:30.560 --> 01:11:36.880
slight euphoric, like I remember feeling
very like what I can describe it,

934
01:11:36.960 --> 01:11:41.039
like what I can kind of compare
it to is like having like a buzz,

935
01:11:41.119 --> 01:11:44.439
like two drinks, where you feel
like it's easier to talk to people,

936
01:11:44.560 --> 01:11:45.920
You're a little more relaxed, that
kind of thing. I didn't feel

937
01:11:45.960 --> 01:11:49.720
any of that. I had that
and then kind of drifted into sleep,

938
01:11:49.720 --> 01:11:55.119
but it did not have like the
sleep effects that I was kind of going

939
01:11:55.159 --> 01:11:59.439
for. I would be curious to
buy some Blue Lotus and just make the

940
01:11:59.479 --> 01:12:03.520
most powerful tea that I could fathom
and just drink it and try to loose

941
01:12:03.560 --> 01:12:06.800
a dream and really do that.
We did, but I don't I don't

942
01:12:06.800 --> 01:12:10.439
know if we did. That was
that what we did that one time with

943
01:12:11.319 --> 01:12:16.239
Yeah Gottas. It tasted like a
burnt tire. It it was disgusting,

944
01:12:16.399 --> 01:12:20.800
it was brid I'm really interested in
the wine decanting thing me too, dude.

945
01:12:20.800 --> 01:12:25.000
That would be just ground up a
bunch of that might make it stronger

946
01:12:25.039 --> 01:12:29.399
and they might let the wine sit
in the flower for a long period of

947
01:12:29.439 --> 01:12:31.720
time. And that's what we'll try
next time. It's a very sacred plant.

948
01:12:31.760 --> 01:12:34.800
And I want to stress out there, like if you're there's no reason

949
01:12:34.840 --> 01:12:39.560
to be like concerned. It's very
safe. It doesn't make you hot.

950
01:12:40.760 --> 01:12:45.359
It just it can give you lucid
dreaming and it can give you like a

951
01:12:45.399 --> 01:12:48.079
different mood, you know, like
it's it's not gonna it's totally fine.

952
01:12:48.119 --> 01:12:50.840
Like if you're curious about trying it, just do it. Yeah, but

953
01:12:51.800 --> 01:12:55.920
yeah, I mean I would put
it like in a scale of things,

954
01:12:55.920 --> 01:13:01.439
I would put it like below and
kava in terms of even below. Do

955
01:13:01.560 --> 01:13:06.079
not get your your hopes up here, Like don't no, It's like literally

956
01:13:06.159 --> 01:13:09.520
the only reason you should try it
is to try to lose a dream.

957
01:13:10.359 --> 01:13:13.439
Like it doesn't really do anything else. I think it was also used as

958
01:13:13.439 --> 01:13:17.800
an as afrodisiac and sexual rituals in
Egypt. I could totally believe that,

959
01:13:17.880 --> 01:13:20.880
of course. And the other thing
is like at you know, pharaohs,

960
01:13:21.000 --> 01:13:26.279
kings and queens and people like that
would be apparently it has a really good

961
01:13:26.359 --> 01:13:29.159
smell. I mean I've only ever
smelled it dried out of a bag.

962
01:13:29.199 --> 01:13:31.319
I don't remember it smelling good.
But they would make like perfumes out of

963
01:13:31.359 --> 01:13:34.960
it, and it would It was
very popular and like the Egyptian elite to

964
01:13:35.039 --> 01:13:40.399
have it around and they would drink
wine at parties and you know that it's

965
01:13:40.439 --> 01:13:42.920
just cool, you know. On
the subject to dreams as an afrodisiac,

966
01:13:43.039 --> 01:13:48.960
right, I cannot confirm. I
don't know you're the Roman. Yeah,

967
01:13:48.960 --> 01:13:53.359
that's right. I'm gonna go with
yes, all right, but you heard

968
01:13:53.359 --> 01:13:58.239
it here, folks. According to
Alex, wine is officially an aphrodisiac.

969
01:13:58.560 --> 01:14:00.800
So I'm also thinking maybe the nightmares
as a child, where because I was

970
01:14:00.840 --> 01:14:09.800
going to bed full that came full
circle. Man. All right, y'all,

971
01:14:10.079 --> 01:14:17.520
Sweet dreams, sweet dreams, bod
night, guys. Weird things happened

972
01:14:17.560 --> 01:14:29.239
in the backyard of Bletsoe house.
You ship look up. It was so

973
01:14:29.520 --> 01:14:40.760
weird coming closer to my heart straight
up like smiring on the inside of it.

974
01:14:43.439 --> 01:15:30.159
No one knows. Man, it's
come right. Over go shading, happy happ