1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:03,600 So by the way, we'll do the Garcia fert That's what I wrote today. 2 00:00:03,680 --> 00:00:07,799 Yes, yes, that's personal countdown is on to fight time. Let's 3 00:00:07,839 --> 00:00:12,640 do it here. We give fight No. He is your host, DJ 4 00:00:12,919 --> 00:00:21,199 leaves Well. We get ready for an intriguing rematch between the former undisputed junior 5 00:00:21,239 --> 00:00:26,039 Wiltawake champ fighting a fighter that many believe may have beaten him the first time 6 00:00:26,079 --> 00:00:32,200 around. Josh Taylor Jack catterall ready to fight in the Matchroom Slash Top Rank 7 00:00:32,320 --> 00:00:35,679 main event that is coming from Leeds, England on Saturday. We're ready to 8 00:00:35,679 --> 00:00:40,399 preview that intriguing super middleweight. Christian Mobilia is back. We're gonna preview his 9 00:00:40,479 --> 00:00:45,439 fight news, nostalgia and more. 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Off the Tyson Fury Alexander Usik fight, 19 00:01:23,120 --> 00:01:26,719 as we figured, we've kind of moved off that we're headed for this 20 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:32,239 five versus five card which is next weekend right back in Saudi Arabia. But 21 00:01:32,439 --> 00:01:34,959 it's an intriguing action this weekend. But first, I know we want to 22 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:41,000 begin with something you broke earlier on Thursday. Not surprising but now official about 23 00:01:41,079 --> 00:01:46,400 Ryan Garcia and the B samples of his drug testing from his fight with Devin 24 00:01:46,439 --> 00:01:49,000 Haney in April have come back. Give us the update, my friend. 25 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:53,079 Go ahead. Yeah, like you said, TJ, not surprising. As 26 00:01:53,079 --> 00:01:57,120 I've stated prior when we've discussed this. I've stated before when I have discussed 27 00:01:57,120 --> 00:02:01,640 other positive drug tests. The athlete, at their expense, requests the B 28 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:06,799 sample to be tested. It is a virtual certainty that it's going to come 29 00:02:06,879 --> 00:02:08,439 back the same as the A sample. The reason they have the B sample 30 00:02:08,759 --> 00:02:13,039 is because there are times when it you know, very very rare, but 31 00:02:13,319 --> 00:02:16,960 just in case you need to have that extra sample there to test, and 32 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:21,319 just so people are clear at once again, because I find the ignorance on 33 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:24,039 social media to be mind boggling. It's not a separate sample. What it 34 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:28,599 is is when they pe and the cup, they take half and stick it 35 00:02:28,639 --> 00:02:30,919 in one vial that gets tested immediately, and they stick the other half and 36 00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:35,560 it gets frozen or stored properly, and if something comes up with the first 37 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:37,759 one, they've got the second one to fall back on, which was taken 38 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:40,759 at the exact same time. So in the case of Ryan Garcia, he 39 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:46,039 gave a sample on April nineteenth, and then he gave another sample after the 40 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:51,280 fight. And so those two samples, the final pre fight and the post 41 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:54,360 fight both tested positive for the band substance ostring, which is not permitted to 42 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:59,120 be in your system and is a adverse finding. And so he requested the 43 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:02,000 b samples to be tested. They were opened on Wednesday. I was a 44 00:03:02,039 --> 00:03:07,680 little surprised they got the result back in about twenty four hours because the combination 45 00:03:07,879 --> 00:03:10,080 of other people ahead of them, in line the fact that it's the weekend 46 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:15,080 coming up, that Memorial Day was on this week with next week Monday that 47 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:20,080 there was was explained to me by Thenny involved that there was a good likelihood 48 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:22,560 that we wouldn't have seen the results until the early part of next week. 49 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:24,759 But they got him back and again, like you said, no shock. 50 00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:29,240 It would have been a bigger story, a much bigger story, a much 51 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:32,719 bigger shock had something come back in the B samples and that they were negative 52 00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:38,120 for the Austrians. So it's just another brick in the wall in terms of 53 00:03:38,159 --> 00:03:40,719 his overall case. So okay, okay, pig Floyd. I like that 54 00:03:40,919 --> 00:03:46,400 slide slide that in there from the from the late seventies. What's interesting with 55 00:03:46,439 --> 00:03:49,120 what you brought up? And I know a lot about this and you obviously 56 00:03:49,159 --> 00:03:52,800 do as well, and you've been done doing a tremendous job reporting on this. 57 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:57,960 But where the B sample stuff began was probably twenty years ago or more, 58 00:03:58,360 --> 00:04:01,240 when these massive organizationations would do these tests and then people would claim, 59 00:04:01,639 --> 00:04:05,360 you screwed up my test, you did something wrong. So now as like 60 00:04:05,879 --> 00:04:11,439 a backup, a fail safe, they began to split off the sample to 61 00:04:11,439 --> 00:04:14,680 say, in the event that you're going to argue we screwed something up with 62 00:04:14,759 --> 00:04:19,399 your test, we still have these other samples another another sample that we can 63 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:24,560 also test and prove yes, you did or know you didn't have something in 64 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:29,120 your system. And that's the process that has now undergone in New York, 65 00:04:29,879 --> 00:04:34,040 and it's an insurance policy for both sides. Basically, it's allows the commission 66 00:04:34,199 --> 00:04:39,040 or the regulating people to have a separate example if there is a problem with 67 00:04:39,079 --> 00:04:43,240 the first one, and it gives the athlete the example also of a second 68 00:04:43,279 --> 00:04:46,199 thing to be tested in case that they really truly believe that there's a problem 69 00:04:46,199 --> 00:04:47,519 with the first one. So again not surprising. Now the question I've gotten 70 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:50,680 is what's next. Well, I'm gonna tell you what's next. Hey, 71 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:56,120 what's next? Go ahead? The New York Commission is aware of the results 72 00:04:56,720 --> 00:05:00,639 from both the A sample and the B sample because when the results are when 73 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:01,920 the lab report comes out. Now I have a people who are like, 74 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:03,839 well, why does Raykel have it? Because I know a lot of people, 75 00:05:03,839 --> 00:05:05,480 and I do a good job, and I've been doing this for a 76 00:05:05,519 --> 00:05:10,839 long freaking time. I have the documents that are the lab reports that state 77 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:15,399 specifically be sample positive adverse finding for ostering to both them. And just to 78 00:05:15,399 --> 00:05:18,279 backtrack for a quick second, the reason why they were able to turn this 79 00:05:18,319 --> 00:05:21,279 around in twenty four hours compared to the while that it took for the first 80 00:05:21,319 --> 00:05:25,360 tests. Was because when they're doing the first test, they're not just testing 81 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:29,480 for austering. They're literally testing for like over one hundred banned substances that are 82 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:32,000 on the water list. So it takes time to do this science to analyze 83 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:35,000 it for every single substance on that list. In the case of the b 84 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:41,560 sample, they're not concerned with other banned substance. They are literally only testing 85 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:45,480 for austering, So for that right, Yeah, So it's much much quicker 86 00:05:45,519 --> 00:05:50,040 to get the result back. So the Commission will in the next few weeks 87 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:55,240 they will schedule a hearing. Ryan Garcia will be required to attend the hearing 88 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:59,680 with his team. They'll be given the opportunity to make their position, their 89 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:01,680 case, their excuse, however you want to describe it. And in the 90 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:08,120 end, under the notion of strict liability, the Commission's not going to care 91 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:10,560 about why it's in a system, and they're going to care only that it 92 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:13,600 is in a system. Now, if he offers up some sort of significant 93 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:17,560 mitigating factor that shows a reason that could help him potentially when it comes time 94 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:23,399 to get the punishment. But it's almost a certainty then unless they do have 95 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:29,959 some kind of crazy or very very impressive proof of what happened, he's going 96 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:31,279 to be suspended. It's only a matter of how long is he going to 97 00:06:31,319 --> 00:06:33,920 suspend it again. It could be six months, it could be a year. 98 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:38,279 It potentially could be a licensed red vacation. I don't know if I 99 00:06:38,319 --> 00:06:43,399 see that taking place. And at that point they also will go through the 100 00:06:43,399 --> 00:06:46,199 process to determine whether they're going to make the result of this fight a no 101 00:06:46,319 --> 00:06:51,600 contest that's usual, or if they're going to make it into a disqualification loss, 102 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:56,759 which is what the Devin Hainey camp has been pressing for in terms of 103 00:06:56,759 --> 00:06:59,560 the letter that they sent not that long ago to the commission. Do you 104 00:06:59,639 --> 00:07:02,480 believe as we sit here subject to change. I mean, it's a holiday 105 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:06,079 weekend, who knows, June whenever they have this, even if it's July, 106 00:07:06,759 --> 00:07:10,600 do you believe that the Haines want to be present and want to be 107 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:15,800 heard as it stands right now, on overturn this to a DQ which is 108 00:07:15,839 --> 00:07:18,279 not that common. You've you've relayed, it has happened before. But from 109 00:07:18,279 --> 00:07:20,920 what you understand right now? Do you believe they want to be heard on 110 00:07:20,959 --> 00:07:27,839 that point? DQ? I think that the letter is their position. This 111 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:30,120 is not going to be hearing for Devin Haney. This is a hearing for 112 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:32,600 Ryan Garcia. So I mean not to say that they're not entitled to attend, 113 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:35,959 because these things are public, I believe. But if there would be 114 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:41,360 no call for anybody on the team Hainy to attend right because they're not going 115 00:07:41,439 --> 00:07:44,040 to be given the opportunity to speak, I don't believe it this type of 116 00:07:44,079 --> 00:07:47,639 hearing. But wouldn't common sense, wouldn't it be if they have someone representing 117 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:51,000 them, wouldn't that be the time if you were wanting, while this hearing 118 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:57,480 is going on, the outcome to be reversed to a dequalification, that would 119 00:07:57,519 --> 00:08:00,399 be the time to raise it, just in general terms, No, it 120 00:08:00,439 --> 00:08:03,759 would be the time to bring it up. You would think the Commission is 121 00:08:03,759 --> 00:08:09,279 in receipt of a very detailed nine page letter from the lawyer representing Devin Haney 122 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:13,759 explaining their position on why they believe that the result of this fight should be 123 00:08:13,839 --> 00:08:16,040 changed not to a no contest, but to a disqualification loss, and that 124 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:20,120 should serve its purpose. They don't need to make a further argument. That's 125 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:22,399 like the exhibit that they've submitted. Now, they make some valid points in 126 00:08:22,439 --> 00:08:26,720 there, and I'd like to hear what Ryan Garcia has to say. I'm 127 00:08:26,759 --> 00:08:30,800 not one to rush to the judgment, but the perspective of the Hani camp 128 00:08:30,839 --> 00:08:33,399 is that the reason they claim it should be made a disqualification is because it 129 00:08:33,480 --> 00:08:37,120 rises above the level of just your run of the mill feil drug test. 130 00:08:37,159 --> 00:08:41,240 They cite two foul drug tests now that they can cite A and B both 131 00:08:41,279 --> 00:08:46,759 positive. So in Assen four samples have been tested. All four are positive 132 00:08:46,759 --> 00:08:48,840 for Austrian. So that's the first thing. The second thing is although they 133 00:08:48,879 --> 00:08:52,799 agreed to a financial arrangement to go forward with the fight when he was overweight, 134 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:56,000 they took issue with his public comments that he missed a weight on purpose, 135 00:08:56,039 --> 00:09:01,120 which would be a violation of the commission. And then another aspect that 136 00:09:01,159 --> 00:09:05,759 they take seriously is the fact that on the The Zone documentary it is seen 137 00:09:05,799 --> 00:09:09,440 that Ryan Garcia is using an IV bag for rehydration apparently, which is illegal. 138 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:11,799 And the reason that is illegal is because you put the fluids in your 139 00:09:11,799 --> 00:09:15,879 system, it dilutes your year and so when you provide the sample, whatever 140 00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:20,279 levels of a banned substance would perhaps be lower than any threshold or any issue 141 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:24,200 in terms of being a fail test. So the combination of fail tests, 142 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:26,799 overweight on purpose, and oh, by the way, another violation of using 143 00:09:26,840 --> 00:09:31,679 an illegal IV bag. They claim that is that rises to a level above 144 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:33,440 your run of the mill drug test, and so therefore they should make it 145 00:09:33,480 --> 00:09:37,000 more punishable, which will be a DQ loss rather than there's just a no 146 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:41,600 contest. So that's their perspective. I don't have a law degree, and 147 00:09:41,639 --> 00:09:43,039 I do watch a lot of Judge Judy. Okay, maybe not a lot, 148 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:48,559 but that's a pretty compelling case right there. For those factors, stay 149 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:50,840 tuned on what they rule, and then we'll see. And I rely on 150 00:09:50,879 --> 00:09:56,799 you to give us the very latest reporting on when that hearing is going to 151 00:09:56,799 --> 00:10:01,639 be et cetera, et cetera. Most people stopped telling me that I'm lying 152 00:10:01,639 --> 00:10:05,440 about this. I've got the documents, daddy, Why why are you paying 153 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:07,799 that much attention to them? As you just say it. Any find the 154 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:13,720 documents and you report the truth. That's all you've been doing. So true. 155 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:18,279 I mean, if it's like Lieutenant Colonel Nathan Jessup on the on the 156 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:22,279 stand and a few good men. You can't handle the truth, that's your 157 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:24,440 problem. This is the truth, all right. I'm done with the nineties 158 00:10:24,519 --> 00:10:30,360 movies references at the moment. Shall we move on? Is Matt Trooms Saturday 159 00:10:30,399 --> 00:10:37,720 Afternoon US Saturday Night Primetime main event is Josh Taylor Jack Catterall Part two from 160 00:10:37,799 --> 00:10:41,000 Leeds, England. When last they fought two years ago, it was for 161 00:10:41,039 --> 00:10:45,919 the undisputed one hundred and forty pound title that Taylor had won. I believe 162 00:10:46,279 --> 00:10:50,600 I remember writing the recap about this because it was right before the time you 163 00:10:50,639 --> 00:10:52,360 and I hooked up on the on the Big Fight Weekend website. In the 164 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:58,039 podcast, I believe Catterall deserved the decision. It was a very close fight. 165 00:10:58,639 --> 00:11:01,600 I will say this. I owned staying in the UK. They are 166 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:03,720 very interested in this. These are names, They're interested in these names. 167 00:11:05,480 --> 00:11:09,159 I'm not as big on this. This is kind of past the shelf life 168 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:13,519 of when I wanted to see a rematch, particularly when Taylor has lost to 169 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:16,960 Taya Femo Lopez in the meantime and there aren't belts on the line. I 170 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:20,919 get it. This is what we do. We preview the most important fight. 171 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:24,519 But I'm kind of on this because I believe we can't change it. 172 00:11:24,559 --> 00:11:28,320 I believe it should have happened long ago. So go ahead and let's get 173 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:31,840 into it. I mean, we disagree on a lot of things and we 174 00:11:31,919 --> 00:11:33,879 do this show together, but I agree with you about that. I mean, 175 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:37,399 I thought I was getting swatted for saying that with you. This is 176 00:11:37,399 --> 00:11:41,440 the biggest fight this week. Okay, good, I like this going well. 177 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:45,120 It is the biggest fight this week, but this is not exactly the 178 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:48,759 biggest week. So look, you know, you can't deny that the fans, 179 00:11:48,759 --> 00:11:52,759 certainly over there in the UK, want to see the fight. And 180 00:11:52,759 --> 00:11:56,440 that's great because anytime you have a popular event that boxing fans want to turn 181 00:11:56,480 --> 00:11:58,600 out for in terms of buying tickets that supposedly sold out, that you know 182 00:11:58,639 --> 00:12:03,320 it's gonna to be widely viewed in the UK. Here in the United States 183 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:05,159 it's on ESPN Plus and the rest of the world that's on his own, 184 00:12:05,240 --> 00:12:07,240 so lots of people are going to get a chance to see the fight. 185 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:11,480 There's a clear rivalry. The fact that there's no belts at State. That 186 00:12:11,519 --> 00:12:15,120 doesn't really bother me because it's more of a grudge match than anything else. 187 00:12:15,159 --> 00:12:18,360 It's and then the fact of the matter is the winner of the fight is 188 00:12:18,759 --> 00:12:22,080 going to be positioned to fight for another title anyway, just based on the 189 00:12:22,120 --> 00:12:26,440 victory, whether it's an official eliminator not which this isn't, or for any 190 00:12:26,519 --> 00:12:28,200 kind of world title. But like you said, I mean, the first 191 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:31,279 fight I didn't really think was a very good fight. I kind of thought 192 00:12:31,320 --> 00:12:33,240 it sucked. To be honest with you, I was not impressed with the 193 00:12:33,279 --> 00:12:37,679 first fight. I was in the vast, vast minority that thought the tailor 194 00:12:37,679 --> 00:12:39,360 eked it out. But again, I you know, respect the people that 195 00:12:39,399 --> 00:12:41,960 thought that it was a Caterall victory, and that's fine. It was a 196 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:46,840 split decision officially, and so there's a reason for the rematch. But it 197 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:50,919 just shows you after fighting for the undisputed title, Caterall came into that fight 198 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:56,360 as the mandatory challenger that was up next after Taylor had unified against Jose Ramirez, 199 00:12:56,840 --> 00:13:00,960 and now here we are, you know what, two years later, 200 00:13:01,039 --> 00:13:03,639 in a couple of months, and now it's not for any of the belts. 201 00:13:03,639 --> 00:13:05,279 That just shows you how things change in boxing. Now they both have 202 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:07,840 had long act inactivity spells. I mean, if you take a look at 203 00:13:07,879 --> 00:13:13,159 Josh Taylor's record. Here's a guy that fought after two fights in two thousand 204 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:16,960 and nineteen, had one fight in twenty twenty. Now, granted that was 205 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:20,720 pandemic related, but it only went one round. He then didn't fight again 206 00:13:20,799 --> 00:13:26,200 for until the fight in twenty twenty one, which is when he defeated Jose 207 00:13:26,279 --> 00:13:28,679 Ramirez for the undisputed title when they unified all their belts. Then he fought 208 00:13:28,679 --> 00:13:33,600 the Caterall fight in twenty twenty two, which is the controversial decision. He's 209 00:13:33,639 --> 00:13:37,320 only had one fight since then. That was the only fight of twenty twenty 210 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:41,960 three, which was obviously a very poor performance in losing the one remaining world 211 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:43,679 title belt that he had and the lineal title to Taya Fimo Lopez. So 212 00:13:45,039 --> 00:13:48,879 you know, he's only had four fights since twenty twenty you know, one 213 00:13:48,919 --> 00:13:52,559 of them being the contract do you recall and keep me in the lane. 214 00:13:52,639 --> 00:13:56,080 Here, they were trying to make this fight like late twenty two. Oh 215 00:13:56,159 --> 00:14:01,320 yeah, early twenty three. One of them had COVID positive test that stopped 216 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:05,159 it, I believe. Then there was an ankle injury on another engine and 217 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:09,039 they are foot injury, and then the WBO, I believe is the one 218 00:14:09,039 --> 00:14:13,000 that stepped in and said you got to you gotta fight Taya Femo Lopez. 219 00:14:13,279 --> 00:14:16,399 Well, what happened was and it's a more lucrative fight for Taylor to go 220 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:20,960 fight that fight. So the fighter gotten postponed a number of times, like 221 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:24,759 you said, and then at some point when when Taylor had the foot injury, 222 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:26,720 they basically at the WBO were like, look, enough is enough, 223 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:30,039 the mandatory is doing. They ordered the Ta Femo fight. So that's what 224 00:14:30,080 --> 00:14:33,600 happened. So when that occurred, and he went and fought the Taya Femo 225 00:14:33,639 --> 00:14:37,559 fight, which was last June, and so he's coming off still even since 226 00:14:37,600 --> 00:14:39,879 that loss, it's an eleven month layoff. Now you take a look at 227 00:14:39,879 --> 00:14:45,480 Caterall. Once that fight was postponed because of the foot injury, Caterall switched 228 00:14:45,480 --> 00:14:48,399 promoters again. Remember he had only ended up with boxer and then because of 229 00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:52,159 the whole British broadcast situation. It's kind of a very you know, we 230 00:14:52,159 --> 00:14:54,360 don't got to get down in the weeds on that. But the bottom line 231 00:14:54,399 --> 00:15:00,840 is after after the fight with Taylor in twenty twenty two, he signed with 232 00:15:00,919 --> 00:15:03,919 mattrom He came back off like a fourteen to fifteen month layoff. He ended 233 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:07,759 up winning two fights in a row in twenty twenty three, in May fight 234 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:13,039 against Darrek Foley, which was just a very, you know, uninspiring, 235 00:15:13,399 --> 00:15:16,440 forgettable ten round decision win against just a regular kind of opponent. He didn't 236 00:15:16,440 --> 00:15:22,679 look particularly that good, although he clearly won. And then in October of 237 00:15:22,679 --> 00:15:26,960 twenty twenty three, they put him in with the corpse of Jorge Lenaris, 238 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:33,080 a one top notch fighter who he retired in a decision that actually Lenaris was 239 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:35,159 a little bit more competitive than I thought. It was like an eight to 240 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:39,120 four kind of fight. You know, Caterall still was the winner. But 241 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:45,399 the reality is they come into this matchup for this huge grudge match where Taylor's 242 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:48,600 coming off a loss and a long layoff of almost a year, and Caterrell 243 00:15:48,759 --> 00:15:52,720 is coming off of a not a long layoff, but a fight against a 244 00:15:52,759 --> 00:15:56,759 corpse that he looked pretty bad in even though he got the win. And 245 00:15:58,120 --> 00:16:00,919 it's like neither guy is on any kind of role. There's only not a 246 00:16:00,919 --> 00:16:03,200 lot momentum for me. Either got. But when you got this kind of 247 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:07,440 beef, this kind of grudge match, these kind of terrible things, and 248 00:16:07,519 --> 00:16:11,559 they've been salty, and I think sometimes and you've done this, and I've 249 00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:14,399 I've watched and done this some, but you've done it much more. Some 250 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:18,240 of it's contrived. I get the sense that a lot of this is contrived. 251 00:16:18,279 --> 00:16:22,919 I think Caterrol is genuinely ticked that he's had to wait this long because 252 00:16:22,919 --> 00:16:25,440 a couple of the problems were with Taylor, and then he fought somebody else 253 00:16:25,480 --> 00:16:27,000 and lost, and it took some of the luster and some of the dollars 254 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:30,720 maybe off this fight. That's my perception. But they're definitely salty at each 255 00:16:30,720 --> 00:16:33,360 other building up to this fight, so howday night, Okay, don't think 256 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:37,759 it's taking the dollars off. They're still getting highly, highly compensated. But 257 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:40,639 the thing is that if I'm caterall I'm pissed off about is number one. 258 00:16:41,080 --> 00:16:44,120 I had to slog through those two shit fights to get the rematch finally, 259 00:16:44,440 --> 00:16:45,720 and now I finally got the rematch, and I don't get a chance to 260 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:49,159 fight for the title right because he lost the title. So even if he 261 00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:52,960 was fighting for no belts but he had never lost in the ring, he's 262 00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:55,399 still at least to be able to say I'm the lineal champion, but he 263 00:16:55,480 --> 00:17:00,200 lost to Lopez, so you know, we'll see once again. I'm I'm 264 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:03,000 thinking of the first fight, which I thought was that, you know, 265 00:17:03,559 --> 00:17:07,160 if there hadn't been the they just given you know, the Caterall the decision, 266 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:10,440 he would have been the champion. Fine, but who knows that there 267 00:17:10,440 --> 00:17:11,680 would have been a rematch. It was a mandatory fight, so there was 268 00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:18,119 no automatic like rematch clause, and you know, I thought you got he 269 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:23,599 was fighting him in Glasgow, where Taylor is from, and it was dramatic 270 00:17:25,160 --> 00:17:29,079 because he knocked him down during the fight to Catterall, he scored a knockgown 271 00:17:29,079 --> 00:17:32,519 and then there were points being taken away from each fighter, which was bizarre. 272 00:17:33,079 --> 00:17:36,839 So there was a lot of intrigue to that. But the action couple 273 00:17:36,839 --> 00:17:38,160 of years ago. It's a couple of years ago, so we'll see if 274 00:17:38,319 --> 00:17:41,759 if we get good action on Saturday night, we'll find out. But the 275 00:17:41,119 --> 00:17:45,640 action of the first fight was pedestrian. Like here's the point, though, 276 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:48,799 TJ. This is the thing. The only reason this rematch is happening is 277 00:17:48,839 --> 00:17:53,640 because of the controversy of the decision. This is not happening because there was 278 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:57,400 a great fight, like when you talk about the possibility of us seeing a 279 00:17:57,440 --> 00:18:02,359 rematch between Alexander usse Entyson Feary, Yes, they've got a rematch obviously in 280 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:04,799 their contract, but without that, people would still want to see it because 281 00:18:04,799 --> 00:18:10,359 it was such an enthralling, exciting back and forth ebb and flow, you 282 00:18:10,359 --> 00:18:14,599 know, terrific fight. That's not why we're seeing the rematch between Josh Taylor 283 00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:18,799 and Caterall. It was a very pedestrian first fight with a bad decision in 284 00:18:18,799 --> 00:18:22,680 the opinion of most people, and therefore we're finally seeing And because it's bubbled 285 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:25,640 up for so long, as you mentioned, they've been very salty, a 286 00:18:25,720 --> 00:18:27,240 lot of bad words with each other, and so you know what, at 287 00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:29,799 the end of the day, they're going to take care of it in the 288 00:18:29,839 --> 00:18:30,960 ring. I hope it's a good fight. I hope they do what they 289 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:33,680 say they're going to do and come at each other and make it a battle 290 00:18:33,920 --> 00:18:37,400 instead of, you know, a pretty poor fight like the first one. 291 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:41,079 And the winner of the fight is going to position themselves for bigger things. 292 00:18:41,119 --> 00:18:45,480 Obviously, the loser of the fight's going to have to do some soul searching 293 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:48,240 and figure out what they want to do. I do suspect that if Taylor 294 00:18:48,319 --> 00:18:51,039 is the winner, I can't speak for Catall, but I'm very certain that 295 00:18:51,119 --> 00:18:52,279 if Josh is the winner, he's going to probably go up to welterweight, 296 00:18:52,319 --> 00:18:56,720 where he's wanted to go even before this fight, but the rematch was such 297 00:18:56,759 --> 00:18:59,440 a big deal that he decided to stick around in one forty for one more 298 00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:02,759 fight at least and go on from there. And so, you know, 299 00:19:02,799 --> 00:19:04,880 it tells you how big of a deal it is if Mattroom Boxing and Top 300 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:10,839 Rank we're able to get together and make this fight. It shows you how 301 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:15,160 they've split up the broadcast rights and worked on that, that it's a big 302 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:18,200 deal, and so there's money there, there's fan interest, and hopefully we 303 00:19:18,279 --> 00:19:22,839 get a good fight. I'll be watching it Saturday afternoon right again ESPN Plus 304 00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:27,200 in the United States, dizone in the UK for this matchup Saturday afternoon US 305 00:19:27,240 --> 00:19:30,599 time, and again will handicap at first mentioned on the bet Us Boxing Show 306 00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:37,640 one Eastern Time Friday. Also Patty Donovan, unbeaten Irish welterweight fighting Lewis Ritson 307 00:19:37,720 --> 00:19:41,079 in the co feature, Will handicap that fight as well. Donovan thirteen and 308 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:45,559 oh you know rising prospect contend that's a nice map, that's a nice matchup 309 00:19:45,559 --> 00:19:48,079 for the start, so will handicap will handicap that is well on the Friday 310 00:19:48,119 --> 00:19:53,759 show a couple of those. So that is Saturday afternoon US time, so 311 00:19:53,960 --> 00:20:03,200 Saturday night in Canada. Christian Mobili is an intriguing fighter at super middleweight on 312 00:20:03,279 --> 00:20:07,400 The Rise ten Round About with Mark Heffron. Let's preview that a little bit 313 00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:11,799 here is part of the preview podcast, and what are we looking forward to 314 00:20:11,799 --> 00:20:15,000 with Mobilly? A guy that you and I and many others are intrigued by 315 00:20:15,079 --> 00:20:17,920 right now at one sixty eight. I mean, Christian Mbilly is one of 316 00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:19,599 the most fun fighters to watch in boxing right now. He's a fun fighter 317 00:20:19,599 --> 00:20:22,920 to watch. He comes forward, he's exciting, he throws big punches. 318 00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:27,519 He's in great shape. He's got a very high level engine. As they 319 00:20:27,599 --> 00:20:30,720 say, he can go and go and go. He just never stops throwing 320 00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:34,279 punches. He is twenty six and oh he has twenty two knockouts and he's 321 00:20:34,319 --> 00:20:37,359 one of the better super middleweight contenders out there. He's not a guy that 322 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:41,119 a lot of people mentioned about fighting. He doesn't have the name value, 323 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:44,640 let's say, of a Benavides or even David Morrell or you know, like 324 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:47,519 Honi Mungia, you know, the kind of guy that that Canelo is going 325 00:20:47,559 --> 00:20:49,880 to look to necessarily. But he is able in my opinion. You know, 326 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:52,839 he's on that level of being able to contend with anybody. That's why 327 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:56,400 they call him the contender. He was an Olympian for France, although he 328 00:20:56,440 --> 00:21:00,720 fights now out of mostly out of the Mantra area in Canada, and so 329 00:21:00,839 --> 00:21:03,400 you know, he's staying busy. He just recently signed a co promotion, 330 00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:07,880 so he's been promoted by I the Tiger for quite a while, but now 331 00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:11,160 he's got top ranked as his co promoter and they've been showing his fights anyway 332 00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:14,799 as part of their ESPN Plus deal. So this is not a fighter that 333 00:21:14,799 --> 00:21:17,680 has not been seen if you pay attention to the cards that they run on 334 00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:19,960 ESPN Plus from Canada. So he's going in with Mark Cavron. It's you 335 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:23,440 know, it's it's not a big fight. Hef Ron has got some losses. 336 00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:29,279 He's not considered to be a very strong opponent from the standpoint where you 337 00:21:29,279 --> 00:21:30,920 think that Mobility is going to lose. But the idea is to see how 338 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:34,960 Christian mobility gets it done if he gets it done. And what it adds 339 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:37,920 to the intrigue of this is that, you know, although I'm always excited 340 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:41,319 when Micbilly fights because he, like I said, he's super exciting to watch, 341 00:21:41,599 --> 00:21:44,440 they already have a deal done where if he wins this fight and he 342 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:47,920 comes out without any particular injuries or problems, that he's going to take what 343 00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:51,880 would be considered the biggest step up of his career on August seventeenth, back 344 00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:56,680 in Canada, also on ESPN Plus, he will throw down with the contender, 345 00:21:56,759 --> 00:22:00,640 Sergey devron Cheko, who we know from a series of outstanding he you 346 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:03,680 know, came up on the short end of the twenty twenty three Fight of 347 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:07,759 the Year as voted on by the Boxing Writers Associated of America and that incredible 348 00:22:07,759 --> 00:22:11,400 battle with Heimi Mongia that was decided on a knockdown in the last round of 349 00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:15,119 the fight. And so Devin Chenko is, you know, he's probably the 350 00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:18,960 best five lost fighter in the world right now, I would guess something like 351 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:22,680 that or a guy that doesn't guys that don't have titles, very competitive middleweight 352 00:22:22,759 --> 00:22:27,559 title challenges with Triple G Right and Ranny Jacobs. So he fought all name. 353 00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:30,920 That's what's looming. And by the way, one more thing about mobility. 354 00:22:32,039 --> 00:22:34,319 In addition to the talent and the skill, let's hear it for activity 355 00:22:34,559 --> 00:22:37,640 like you and I like to talk about. I'm looking right at this. 356 00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:41,519 He fought in December of twenty twenty two and won by decision. He fought 357 00:22:41,519 --> 00:22:45,920 again in March of twenty three and one by decision. He fought again against 358 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:51,640 American demand Nicholson in September of last year, knocked him out, and fought 359 00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:56,400 in January of this year in Quebec City with Rohan Murdoch. We talked about 360 00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:59,599 that fight. He scored a knockout there, Raphael. That's one, two, 361 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:03,759 three four. This is his fifth fight in basically a year and a 362 00:23:03,839 --> 00:23:07,319 half. Let's hear it from ability and activity. We like that. And 363 00:23:07,319 --> 00:23:08,359 by the way, as it relates to different chemer, you said two time 364 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:11,359 world title challenger, he actually fought three times. Look, I was there 365 00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:15,079 at the Madison Square Garden. I thought he defeated Triple G that night. 366 00:23:15,319 --> 00:23:18,039 A lot of us at ringside thought he defeated Triple G. That was a 367 00:23:18,039 --> 00:23:21,240 tremendous battle. You know, he did not get to win. He lost 368 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:23,920 to Daniel Jacobs a couple of fights before that. It was very close in 369 00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:27,720 that fight. That was actually that was the last ever HBO fight that I 370 00:23:27,759 --> 00:23:30,759 attended. He got knocked down by Jacobs in the first run of that fight, 371 00:23:30,759 --> 00:23:33,039 but he came back strong and you know, it was a close fight. 372 00:23:33,079 --> 00:23:36,680 He ended up losing by split decision. The triple G fight, like 373 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:37,640 I said, was super close on the cards. I thought he won, 374 00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:41,119 lots of us thought he one. And then he followed up the Triple G 375 00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:44,400 loss in his next fight. This is in twenty twenty, and he lost 376 00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:48,480 a more one sided decision to Jamal Charlotte when Jamal was still active in doing 377 00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:52,519 his thing. And he's had some you know, he lost to a Majar 378 00:23:52,599 --> 00:23:56,279 again, another close call to Carlos the Damas, who's now the WBC's midleweight 379 00:23:56,319 --> 00:23:59,039 champion. This was a non title fight, so he's had some tough luck. 380 00:23:59,079 --> 00:24:02,759 He lost among the in a great fight that that was super close. 381 00:24:02,799 --> 00:24:06,240 Also again, like I said, decided only by a knockdown on a body 382 00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:11,400 plush roast just stopping Mongia had him hurt bad earlier in that fight. Right, 383 00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:14,599 Yeah, he's coming off to win over the journeyman Vaughan Alexander. But 384 00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:18,279 you want to talk about strength of schedule and competing in those fights. He's 385 00:24:18,319 --> 00:24:23,000 the kind of guy devron Schenko that you know, if he gets this Mobility 386 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:26,559 fight, he will go in where there will be a lot of people that 387 00:24:26,599 --> 00:24:29,799 think he's gonna give him ability a very tough fight. It's certainly going to 388 00:24:29,839 --> 00:24:30,799 be a step up for him. But first, like you said, Mobility's 389 00:24:30,839 --> 00:24:36,000 got to take care of the business on Saturday against Mark Efron, the British 390 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:38,119 fighter who's got you know, like I said, he's got three losses. 391 00:24:40,559 --> 00:24:45,079 But like anytime you see Christian Mabilly in the ring, you know, it's 392 00:24:45,079 --> 00:24:47,839 a cool thing. It's exciting to watch. I mean, so I'm looking 393 00:24:47,839 --> 00:24:49,799 forward to that. You know, hopefully we get some good action. Hopefully 394 00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:55,880 we do. And you got heavyweights Macmudov and rov Khanan, the big guys 395 00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:57,960 are on the co feature fight here. Just give me something real quick about 396 00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:02,480 that as well. On this ESPN Plus, I had the Tiger Cards started 397 00:25:02,519 --> 00:25:06,799 nine in Canada, so that's that's the cod feature. So Macmandou was a 398 00:25:06,839 --> 00:25:08,480 guy with a lot of hype and a lot of people that thought he could 399 00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:11,960 do something. He was a big puncher, a big strong guy, a 400 00:25:11,039 --> 00:25:15,640 Russian fighter, but had been living and still lives in Montreal. And then 401 00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:18,559 he took his first loss. This is on the day of reckoning card back 402 00:25:18,559 --> 00:25:22,200 in December. He lost but to your boy A. G. Cabell, 403 00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:25,000 who scored what a lot of people thought was an upset at that time, 404 00:25:25,279 --> 00:25:27,000 and he got dropped three times, got knocked out of the fourth round. 405 00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:30,119 And you know, Caveall has gone on to do well because after that, 406 00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:33,200 as we saw in the card with Usick and Fury, he had a big 407 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:37,799 win in a title eliminator against Frank Sanchez on that undercard. But we'll see 408 00:25:37,799 --> 00:25:44,359 if mac McDuff can come back and potentially reassert himself and get another opportunity. 409 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:47,319 So he's fighting. You know Ruf Caanaan, who you mentioned. He's got 410 00:25:47,319 --> 00:25:51,160 some losses twenty seven to three. Probably best known, I guess to the 411 00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:55,599 United States public that in August of twenty twenty two he got stopped in the 412 00:25:55,599 --> 00:25:57,880 second round by Jared Anderson. But he has won three fights in a row 413 00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:00,839 since. Although you know, I was actually I looked up at his record, 414 00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:04,359 so since he lost to Jared Anderson, I was going in with Mackmanduf. 415 00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:06,880 You said, oh, he's got three wins in a row, so 416 00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:08,839 he's on the comeback trail. But I looked at the records of the opponents 417 00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:12,480 he fought as he goes into this fight against Macmandu. He has fought fighters 418 00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:17,799 with records of ten forty three and one. The next opponent that he defeated 419 00:26:18,079 --> 00:26:22,559 was twenty one eighty with seven draws, and then the next opponent that he 420 00:26:22,599 --> 00:26:25,720 fought was ten wins and nineteen losses. Wait, wait a minute, he 421 00:26:25,799 --> 00:26:30,000 fought somebody that has fought one hundred times with eighty losses, that still goes 422 00:26:30,039 --> 00:26:34,279 on, still does on. That's you know what I'm remembering about rov Connan 423 00:26:34,319 --> 00:26:38,759 and that Jared Anderson fight. You just jogged me. That is the night 424 00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:42,480 where I had work duties going with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers as part of their 425 00:26:42,559 --> 00:26:47,319 radio broadcast, and we were playing a preseason game in Indianapolis, and you 426 00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:51,359 and I were in communication. We did the preview podcast, and I want 427 00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:55,799 to say the over under was set at something like a round and a half. 428 00:26:56,480 --> 00:27:00,480 And this is the truth that in Indianapolis and downtown Indianapolis, you can 429 00:27:00,519 --> 00:27:04,920 get out of Lucas Oil Stadium on foot and get over to two of the 430 00:27:06,039 --> 00:27:11,680 huge hotels right by the convention center. In about five minutes, five to 431 00:27:11,759 --> 00:27:14,960 seven minutes, you can be out of the building and in the hotel. 432 00:27:15,279 --> 00:27:19,039 And I remember texting you that, Hey, I'm leaving, I'm headed to 433 00:27:19,079 --> 00:27:22,319 get over to the hotel and I'm going to try to catch some of this 434 00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:25,079 fight, and you were like, you better hurry up. They're starting, 435 00:27:25,519 --> 00:27:29,759 and you texted me while I'm at a traffic light crossing the street. It's 436 00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:33,599 over. Row Conon is knocked out by Jared Anderson in like the first minute 437 00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:37,480 of the second round, so maybe it goes a little longer. In this 438 00:27:37,559 --> 00:27:41,720 Coe feature you just jogged me on August of twenty so they're trying to resuscitate 439 00:27:41,839 --> 00:27:48,599 Macmandeuv after a very devastating to your boy at CAYD. Yellow could be in 440 00:27:48,599 --> 00:27:56,039 the fight again. That is Saturday night ESPN Plus from Canada after the Caterall 441 00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:59,680 Taylor fight is earlier in the day on ESPN Plus. If you have that 442 00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:03,079 in the States and adjust wherever in Canada. I don't know if it's ESPN 443 00:28:03,079 --> 00:28:07,559 Plus, if it's TSN or where else. It would be to see this, 444 00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:11,119 but my Billy is definitely worth it. All right, So good preview 445 00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:14,000 stuff. Now some more news. You already gave us news on the Ryan 446 00:28:14,039 --> 00:28:17,960 Garcia situation. By the way, We've got something on another positive drug test 447 00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:22,480 in a moment. But first, what is this I see from Queensbury Promotions 448 00:28:22,799 --> 00:28:26,480 that they're gonna put Joe Joyce back on the horse here and put him in 449 00:28:26,519 --> 00:28:32,000 front of dear God Rayphiel. What are we doing here? Derek Chesara is 450 00:28:32,079 --> 00:28:36,519 back. July twenty seventh. When last we saw Chessa, he was like 451 00:28:36,559 --> 00:28:42,640 an everlast heavy bag against Tyson Fury in what was a debacle of no, 452 00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:45,599 no, no. Does he fought since? Then? Has he fought since 453 00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:48,960 the Fury fight? Okay, but I must have missed it, But well, 454 00:28:49,079 --> 00:28:52,960 today he fought on the He fought on the undercard in August when the 455 00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:59,160 main event that night was Joshua versus Helenius. Okay, and Chesaora got a 456 00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:03,720 ten round decision win over the former world title challenger from America, Gerald Washington. 457 00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:07,920 So not a big name but a serviceable but solid journeyman title. Okay. 458 00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:11,480 When last we saw Joe Joyce, he was on the wrong end of 459 00:29:11,519 --> 00:29:15,000 a bunch of straight left hands, not once but twice from July Jiang. 460 00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:18,960 He's also won since. All right, so now these guys are gonna fight 461 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:22,640 in July, and this is uh again, I understand heavyweight, yes, 462 00:29:22,839 --> 00:29:26,039 and in the UK yes, but give me more, give me more. 463 00:29:27,039 --> 00:29:30,119 This will probably be a popular fight. They're putting it at the two Arena. 464 00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:33,559 That's not like some small hall. That's a big time arena where they 465 00:29:33,559 --> 00:29:38,960 have major fights. Uh So, Joe has fought once since that second loss 466 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:45,000 to Zang. He did win against Cash ally uh pretty much a shutout, 467 00:29:45,759 --> 00:29:48,680 even though it wasn't like a spectacular fight. And look the sours at the 468 00:29:48,759 --> 00:29:52,039 end of his career. He's talking about he wants to have three more fights 469 00:29:52,039 --> 00:29:53,279 and retire. I'm not sure what the magic of three more fights is, 470 00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:57,119 but one of them is supposed to be against Joe Joyce. Look in the 471 00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:03,279 UK, the fight between Joyce and chessaura at varying times. They've been calling 472 00:30:03,279 --> 00:30:06,839 each other out, and I watched their press conference d yesterday that it was 473 00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:08,359 just really never the right time. They both had other things going on, 474 00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:11,480 other bigger fights. Now they kind of need each other. Joyce needs a 475 00:30:11,559 --> 00:30:15,759 name, but a guy that's willing and the guy that they feel he can 476 00:30:15,799 --> 00:30:18,640 beat. Chosaura doesn't have a lot of options. He's one of the few 477 00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:23,200 guys that Jesaura in terms of the name British heavyweights who he hasn't faced because 478 00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:27,200 Chasaura's pretty much fought everybody else over the years, and so they're gonna make 479 00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:30,079 a fun fight. I mean, you can love it or hate it. 480 00:30:30,119 --> 00:30:33,319 I in a weird way. I kind of like it. I expected just 481 00:30:33,319 --> 00:30:37,039 a sloppy kind of slugfest. Now, Derek Chesaura has been in a lot 482 00:30:37,039 --> 00:30:40,279 of tough fights. You know, kind of probably should be retired at this 483 00:30:40,279 --> 00:30:42,640 point, but again not kind of probably he's been cashed. I mean, 484 00:30:44,759 --> 00:30:47,079 but listen, I got I have no say over that. I'm not the 485 00:30:47,119 --> 00:30:49,759 regulator. I'm I'm just the viewer and I'm gonna watch this fight. It's 486 00:30:49,759 --> 00:30:53,079 gonna it's on sky I mean, I'm sorry, it's on TNT Sports in 487 00:30:53,079 --> 00:30:56,200 in the United Kingdom, but it'll probably they haven't done the deal officially that's 488 00:30:56,240 --> 00:31:00,799 done yet, but it's gonna wind up in the United States being on ESPN 489 00:31:00,799 --> 00:31:03,440 Plus. Like a lot of those Frank Warren krts have been. I thought 490 00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:07,440 that one of the great quotes from Derek Tsorro understands his position in boxing. 491 00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:11,319 First of all, he's a funny guy to sore, a great sense of 492 00:31:11,359 --> 00:31:14,200 humor. And one of his quotes, I'm gonna read it to you because 493 00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:17,440 I wrote this in the piece on the notebook that I were writing about this 494 00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:19,880 particular press conference. So what I'm thinking is, by the time we finished 495 00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:23,000 the fight, someone's gonna have less brain cells left in their brain. I 496 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:26,599 don't mind that is the case. Let's be honest about it. It's a 497 00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:30,039 perfect fight for me, it's a perfect fight for him. And you know 498 00:31:30,079 --> 00:31:33,799 what, that pretty much sums it up. They're gonna be less brain cells 499 00:31:33,839 --> 00:31:37,039 promotion for late July. They're gonna bash each other up, and it's it's 500 00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:41,599 it's it's a fight that both guys, you know, Joyce with a win. 501 00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:44,359 I'm not saying it's gonna launch him into like another championship fight, but 502 00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:48,839 he certainly while I've nicely rebounded against a name guy was a popular fighter in 503 00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:52,680 the UK, and obviously if Jasora somehow managed to pull the upset, which 504 00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:59,039 we've seen Joyce upset by janyg twice, you know it'll I'm not saying it's 505 00:31:59,039 --> 00:32:00,279 gonna get him a world champ, it's a opportunity or anything like that. 506 00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:04,640 But you know, it'll it'll make his last two fights, he claims. 507 00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:07,640 The you know, it'll grease the wheels towards getting that stuff. But just 508 00:32:07,799 --> 00:32:10,440 it is what it is. It's two name heavyweights who are kind of uh, 509 00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:14,119 you know, maybe not at their best at well. The one thing, 510 00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:15,359 I'm just gonna be serious for a half second. The one thing that 511 00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:19,799 we always talk about too is sometimes fighters have to be saved from themselves too, 512 00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:22,759 from the people around them and or the British Boxing Board of Control, 513 00:32:22,839 --> 00:32:29,279 et cetera. So particularly whoever loses this fight, because Joyce took two rough 514 00:32:29,359 --> 00:32:32,119 knockouts and he's older, so let's just see, let's see what that looks 515 00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:37,039 like. I put like this considered Joyce Joyce to me, anyway, we're 516 00:32:37,039 --> 00:32:38,319 putting his age aside. It's not he's not that he's not even in his 517 00:32:38,359 --> 00:32:42,480 forties at this point. He's not the kind of guy where I'm thinking, 518 00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:44,720 oh my god, he has to retire. He's like looking at major, 519 00:32:44,759 --> 00:32:47,680 major damage. Because before the Jang fights, you know, he uh, 520 00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:51,039 you know, he was he was undefeated and he was doing his thing. 521 00:32:51,359 --> 00:32:52,519 You know, Chesaura has been in some rough goes. I mean for a 522 00:32:52,519 --> 00:32:58,880 long time. You know you wanted to be a beating against Tyson Fury and 523 00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:02,519 that fighting. Yeah. So again the thing about the story, because of 524 00:33:02,559 --> 00:33:06,720 his popularity, you want to see him be able in his later life to 525 00:33:06,759 --> 00:33:08,240 be able to go to a fight, go to a bar, not have 526 00:33:08,279 --> 00:33:10,359 to buy a drink, not have to buy a ticket. Everyone's gonna want 527 00:33:10,359 --> 00:33:15,480 to take a picture with him and is going to get in terms of popularity. 528 00:33:15,519 --> 00:33:19,680 I think he's mostly already there. The Fury fight certainly had mega mega. 529 00:33:19,839 --> 00:33:23,359 So if he's still gonna fight, like, enjoy that part later instead 530 00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:25,960 of maybe not being able to because you're not you're all messed up. So 531 00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:30,279 it is what. He's got little kids too, and you want to enjoy 532 00:33:30,319 --> 00:33:32,240 them growing up and have you know, some brain capacity. But we've we 533 00:33:32,359 --> 00:33:36,319 spent a lot of time on that. He's a fighter, by the way, 534 00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:42,559 dis just In Dan Rayfield reports on failed drug tests of all kind, 535 00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:47,000 shapes and sizes, not just Ryan Garcia. Correct here and here we go 536 00:33:47,079 --> 00:33:52,480 again. Go ahead, So lest anybody thinks that I have some kind of 537 00:33:52,519 --> 00:33:57,319 direct line to get every single piece of paperwork from VADA, which I wish 538 00:33:57,400 --> 00:33:59,559 was the case, but is not the case. I will now turn my 539 00:33:59,599 --> 00:34:04,519 attention way fel drug test that was conducted by Drug Free Sport, another agency 540 00:34:04,519 --> 00:34:07,199 that is less effective than VADA, but still if you are dumb enough to 541 00:34:07,199 --> 00:34:09,719 be able to not be able to cheat him out, you're gonna get caught. 542 00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:15,360 And that's exactly what happened with the women's WBA Junior Featherweight champion Erica Cruz, 543 00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:21,519 who fought to a split draw in her title defense against Nazarena Romero from 544 00:34:21,599 --> 00:34:25,719 Argentina that was on the Mexico card that Mattroom and Box Stars put on on 545 00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:30,199 May eleventh at Aguas Calientes, and she ended up fighting to a draw in 546 00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:36,239 that fight, and her Drug Free Sport test came back, which again, 547 00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:38,320 I have I got, as they say, teacher, I've got the receipts, 548 00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:42,239 I've got, you got, you got the d and the receipts again 549 00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:45,880 yep. So she didn't test positive for some unknown, weird looking substance where 550 00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:49,880 you got to look it up and say, what's this do She tested positive 551 00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:53,320 for like one of the old granddaddy's of steroids of anabolic steroids like the the 552 00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:58,880 old the old school, the o G stanazol. She tested positive for the 553 00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:02,119 meadow lightest abolites rather of stanazol. I'm not going to try to pronounce them, 554 00:35:02,119 --> 00:35:06,360 but they are two different ones. This was in a random urine test 555 00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:10,119 conducted by Drug Free Sport on April twenty ninth. Results or return this week, 556 00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:15,039 and she's looking at you know again, like with Ryan Garcia, she'll 557 00:35:15,039 --> 00:35:17,840 have the opportunity if she so desires to pay to have her be sample tested. 558 00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:22,159 I can't say I'm an expert on how things are adjudicated by the Mexican 559 00:35:22,199 --> 00:35:27,239 Commissions in terms of drug testing, but certainly as it relates to the to 560 00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:30,079 the world title that she holds. You know, if the if the results 561 00:35:30,079 --> 00:35:35,000 hold up, which they probably will as typically they do, the WA would 562 00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:37,360 strip her of the title. And you know, Cruz has been in some 563 00:35:37,519 --> 00:35:42,920 very good fights. I mean number one, that fight against the gal she 564 00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,840 fought on that May card was an exciting fight that was a draw. A 565 00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:50,280 lot of people thought that she lost that fight and the and her opponent you 566 00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:53,679 know, should have gotten the decision, but she had an absolute freaking war. 567 00:35:54,039 --> 00:35:59,559 If you go back to February of twenty twenty three where she she lost 568 00:35:59,599 --> 00:36:05,400 a round decision when she was in with Amanda Serrano at the Madison Square Guarden 569 00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:08,000 Theater. That was one of the most action packed women's fights you'll ever see, 570 00:36:08,199 --> 00:36:12,719 and that was for the undisputed title. And going into that fight, 571 00:36:13,639 --> 00:36:15,480 you know, if you ever thought maybe there's a featherweight that might be able 572 00:36:15,519 --> 00:36:20,599 to possibly defeat Amanda Serrano, you know, I thought, I thought going 573 00:36:20,599 --> 00:36:22,079 into that fight, Cruise had a pretty decent chance to do so. And 574 00:36:22,119 --> 00:36:24,920 if I remember, it was a very bloody, gory fight. Oh I 575 00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:30,760 believe too to Serrano getting the decision eventually, but there was blood everywhere. 576 00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:35,519 So that's that's that's her. And she also she has a loss, I 577 00:36:35,559 --> 00:36:40,719 mean, Cruise besides that incredibly you know, exciting, bloody battle against the 578 00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:44,760 Serrano that I just mentioned, you know, besides that, she hadn't lost 579 00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:47,079 for like years and years and years. You got all the way back to 580 00:36:47,199 --> 00:36:51,639 like twenty sixteen and like a four rounder, I mean, so she was. 581 00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:55,400 She's an accomplished women's boxer and has won world a world title and been 582 00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:59,280 in the ring with some of the top women out there and again, like 583 00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:02,280 any of these cases, it sucks when you see these athletes test positive for 584 00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:07,039 banned substances. But she didn't, like I said, she tested positive for 585 00:37:07,079 --> 00:37:09,320 the og stanazo, right. I mean, that's that's Ben Johnson shit. 586 00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:15,400 And what we keep talking about with these we would love to be I guess 587 00:37:16,039 --> 00:37:22,079 naive or somehow give people the benefit of the doubt. But when you when 588 00:37:22,119 --> 00:37:24,960 you keep seeing this happen, what happens a lot of times is they're taking 589 00:37:25,039 --> 00:37:29,719 something. I'm just saying this in general, whoever it is, boxers, 590 00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:35,079 track athletes, NFL players, whomever, they're taking something and they and especially 591 00:37:35,119 --> 00:37:37,519 if they know they have a fight in boxing, they're trying to cycle off 592 00:37:37,559 --> 00:37:40,320 of it, and they're trying to cheat the test by getting off of it 593 00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:44,719 in time. And then they get caught by a random test because they don't 594 00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:47,639 know the random test is coming. That's the whole point. And so I 595 00:37:47,679 --> 00:37:51,679 gotta say, I don't know the specifics on this case. I'm just saying 596 00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:53,559 in general, when you keep seeing this happen, a lot of times, 597 00:37:53,639 --> 00:37:59,159 they are aware they are taking this stuff and they're trying to beat the test 598 00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:02,000 somehow, someone on the timing of the test and they still get caught. 599 00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:07,639 I am about at the point where I'm done giving the athletes the benefit of 600 00:38:07,679 --> 00:38:12,440 the doubt, because I believe, in my experience of writing and covering and 601 00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:15,760 knowing about a lot of things that go on in this sport that they're doing 602 00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:21,440 it. And there's plenty of athletes out there that are doing peds who have 603 00:38:21,599 --> 00:38:27,039 smart enough strength coaches and science people and people that know better when to get 604 00:38:27,039 --> 00:38:29,960 them off the shit before they get the positive tests. Some of them are 605 00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:34,639 just too dumb and they get the positive test and they can't beat the system. 606 00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:37,039 But there's a lot of people, and you know, it's one thing 607 00:38:37,119 --> 00:38:42,000 is that we've seen a little bit more recently than we ever had before. 608 00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:45,119 Maybe it's because the sport's at a higher level now, is more women also 609 00:38:45,119 --> 00:38:46,559 failing tests that you used to be like the domain where you only saw the 610 00:38:46,559 --> 00:38:51,280 men that fell the test. But we've had Erica Cruz now with this particular 611 00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:52,760 test that we're talking about. We had not that long ago, we had 612 00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:58,800 the situation with Alicia Baumgardner and her foul test. So I believe you reported 613 00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:02,519 about that and wrote about that and talked about it. Uh huh, So 614 00:39:02,679 --> 00:39:07,079 just just while we're going over it one more time, when Canelo Alvarez tested 615 00:39:07,119 --> 00:39:10,639 positive before you and I hooked up, you wrote about that and talked about 616 00:39:10,639 --> 00:39:15,199 it when Jirell Big Baby Miller couldn't have it broke that also couldn't couldn't have 617 00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:21,880 the Anthony Joshuall fight in the summer of twenty nineteen. You broke that the 618 00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:27,480 Bomb Garway situation women's title when Lucas Brown tested positive and got stripped of the 619 00:39:27,559 --> 00:39:30,360 WBA title. I had that one also, Yeah, And so what I'm 620 00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:36,199 pointing out is once again not just the Ryan Garcia situation. Here's another one, 621 00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:38,599 kids, and you got the info and you've put it out there on 622 00:39:38,639 --> 00:39:42,559 your sub stack, and we're talking about it here with Erica kru By the 623 00:39:42,599 --> 00:39:45,800 Way, and more than likely she's gonna get stripped and gonna be looking at 624 00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:49,119 at least six months if done a year. I don't know. Again, 625 00:39:49,159 --> 00:39:52,320 I don't know the punishment standards in Mexico like I do in America, but 626 00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:55,679 certainly her belt is in major jeopardy unless he's got some kind of excuse. 627 00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:59,440 Now, in the WBC, for example, they don't go on by strict 628 00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:04,079 liabilities. So if they do their opposed investigation, and they deem that whatever 629 00:40:04,159 --> 00:40:10,239 the banned substance was was ingested without purposeful intent, then they can oftentimes not 630 00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:13,719 get tripped to their titles and that sort of stuff, And that's sort of 631 00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:16,320 what has happened over the time. But again, the sanctioning bodies, they 632 00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:20,679 don't control whether the box are going to enter the ring. They only control 633 00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:24,400 the rankings and the belts. So again, if you take that as the 634 00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:28,880 example in the case of what happens to say with connor Ben, like they 635 00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:32,880 couldn't suspend at WBC is because his first test was a WBC Clean Boxing Program 636 00:40:34,039 --> 00:40:37,320 test. They could only remove him from the rankings. The ones that could 637 00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:40,079 sit him down and prevent it from fighting was the local commission or the British 638 00:40:40,119 --> 00:40:43,679 Boxing Board of Control exactly. So we'll see. And by the way, 639 00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:45,639 you were writing and reporting on the connor Ben positive test too while we're adding 640 00:40:45,639 --> 00:40:47,639 to the list. I didn't break that one though, I got into the 641 00:40:47,679 --> 00:40:52,519 problems, but you were still writing and reporting on it and finding out information 642 00:40:52,599 --> 00:40:54,400 and have been all along, including when he was fighting in the United States 643 00:40:54,719 --> 00:41:00,400 why he was allowed to get around whatever with the license. So I'm just 644 00:41:00,639 --> 00:41:07,519 blaboring the point that it's not only about Ryan Garcia, right, even though 645 00:41:07,639 --> 00:41:10,880 I am the devil. But I would just say as all as you bring 646 00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:15,480 up all these past cases and there are others if we wanted to discuss when 647 00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:20,760 it comes to drug testing reporting not my first rodeo. Yeah, correct. 648 00:41:21,159 --> 00:41:25,320 And by the way, Ostereen is it naturally made by the body and he's 649 00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:30,320 got to do some serious explaining about how it got in there. Okay, 650 00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:32,360 a couple more, just real quick, and then the nostalgia and we're done. 651 00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:36,639 Speaking of ta Fimo Lopez. As we mentioned earlier, the June twenty 652 00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:42,199 ninth card in Miami. Top Rank has made it official and that also includes 653 00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:45,800 a couple of the interesting undercard fights. Real quick, go ahead. Yeah, 654 00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:47,719 So, as I had reported back a few weeks ago, TaiMo Lopez's 655 00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:53,320 title defense will be against Steve Claggett, a fighter from Canada who's a come 656 00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:57,559 forward fight usually makes good fights, So from an entertainment point of view, 657 00:41:57,559 --> 00:42:00,800 WHI should be good. But he also was probably the easiest opponent that he 658 00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:02,519 was offered. You know, as I reported a while ago, Top Rank 659 00:42:02,559 --> 00:42:07,320 basically gave Team Lopez four names and let them pick one of them with Steve 660 00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:09,880 Klaggett. But the others were the excellent up and comer at Top Rank Raymond 661 00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:15,880 Morettaya. There was the other contender, Kenneth Simms Junior, who was coming 662 00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:19,719 off of a WBA eliminator victory in a very good runs. Kenneth Sims is 663 00:42:20,039 --> 00:42:22,639 an excellent young fighter, and the other one was Elvis Rodriguez, who, 664 00:42:22,639 --> 00:42:25,960 by the way, had been with Top Rank as a as a young prospect. 665 00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:31,119 He left Top Rank he signed with PBC. He then left PBC after 666 00:42:31,159 --> 00:42:36,239 their situation ended and they obviously were having a lack of TV dates. But 667 00:42:36,519 --> 00:42:39,320 just on Wednesday, Top Rank announced that they had resigned Elvis Rodriguez, which 668 00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:42,599 was sort of had been the rumor that it was going to happen for a 669 00:42:42,599 --> 00:42:46,440 while, So they resigned Elvis Rodriguez, who's trained by Freddie Roach and you 670 00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:50,440 know, one of the better fighters out of the Dominican He's going to be 671 00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:52,559 on this undercard, not on the main card for ESPN purposes, but on 672 00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:55,440 ESPN ploss. He'll have his return with Top Rank on the card. So 673 00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:58,880 that happened this week also, But in terms of the main card, he 674 00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:02,639 got again. Lopez looking to maybe shake off what a lot of people thought 675 00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:07,280 was a very poor performance in a close victory against Jermaine Ortiz that took place 676 00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:12,920 recently. I thought Jermain Ortiz won that fight. Lopez comes back off that, 677 00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:15,840 and then you also have on the undercard, as we've discussed, you 678 00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:20,360 have the former w BO featherweight champion Robas Ramirez, who is looking to get 679 00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:23,400 a rematch with Raphael Espinoza after their very dramatic fight that took place at the 680 00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:28,800 end of last year where Espinoza scored a huge upset won the title. Originally, 681 00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:31,000 as I've talked about before, Top Rank wanted to make the immediate rematch, 682 00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:35,840 but the Espinoza team insisted on having an interim fight, So he's fighting 683 00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:40,039 Chirino this summer. And then you have Robasi Ramirez is going to be on 684 00:43:40,079 --> 00:43:44,840 the card fighting and again if he wins, and if Espinosa wins, Top 685 00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:47,280 Rank will make that rematch later this year, probably in the fall. But 686 00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:50,880 in terms of Ramirez, this fight is a ten rounder. Will fight a 687 00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:54,519 Mexican fighter named Brandon Leon Benitez, not a well known guy, guy with 688 00:43:54,559 --> 00:43:58,960 a good record. Thought twenty one and two with nine knockouts. He has 689 00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:04,320 won seven fights in a He's his one big win quote unquote was in twenty 690 00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:07,480 twenty two, he got a decision by split decision against the former WBO title 691 00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:12,159 holder Zoo Can from China, So at least he does have some you know, 692 00:44:12,159 --> 00:44:15,400 at least one good reputable victory on the record anyway, So that's the 693 00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:19,119 rematch that they're looking to make. But again, Robisi's got to take care 694 00:44:19,159 --> 00:44:22,039 of the business here. I'll off his Cuban fans probably there rooting him on 695 00:44:22,119 --> 00:44:24,719 in Miami. And if Espinoza takes care of business, we'll see that rematch 696 00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:28,559 in the fall. And then the other fight that will open up this tripleheader 697 00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:34,039 is you have the middleweight Nico Ali Walshed, obviously the grandson of Muhammad Ali. 698 00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:37,880 He's going to take on a fighter named Sona a Cal which, if 699 00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:44,119 you have followed the career of a Nico Ali, washed suffered a six round 700 00:44:44,119 --> 00:44:47,559 decision loss to a Cal. And now this is the rematch to try to 701 00:44:47,639 --> 00:44:52,199 interest even there. All right, So again that's at the end of June 702 00:44:52,199 --> 00:44:57,480 in Miami, top ranked show there with ta Fimo Lopez headlining. Yeah, 703 00:44:57,480 --> 00:45:00,599 I got ten months. He lost the fight to a cal August of last 704 00:45:00,639 --> 00:45:04,159 year, so he's had other fights since then. But now they've determined its 705 00:45:04,159 --> 00:45:07,360 time to make the rematch and see he can avenge that defeat. I almost 706 00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:09,559 hesitate to bring this up because we have not really even talked about this card. 707 00:45:09,559 --> 00:45:17,519 It is next week, but the WBC cruiserweight champ Noel mcalean is off 708 00:45:17,599 --> 00:45:22,840 the Don King pay perview with Adrian Broner and Blair Cobbs said to be in 709 00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:27,000 the main event. You've got the quick deats again on what happened here wise, 710 00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:29,400 he off, Well, you can you can love or hate the Blair 711 00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:31,960 Cobbs in Broner fight, but McKellan is an exciting fighter, been a good 712 00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:37,400 cruiserweight for a long time. Had a spectacular performance back in November when he 713 00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:43,239 won the vacant WBC titles. Scored a knockout against Iluna Magabu, very very 714 00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:46,519 good performance, and he was supposed to be defending the title against his mandatory 715 00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:52,519 Ryan Rozikie was also an exciting fighter from Canada and unfortunately this week he suffered 716 00:45:52,559 --> 00:45:54,840 a cut on over his right eyelid in his sparring session and that forced him 717 00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:59,320 off the fight. Now Noel mckallion. He's from Armenia, but he fights 718 00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:01,800 out of Miami and he has I guess when if you watch the Macabu fight, 719 00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:05,280 had a nice little cheering crowd there for him. So this fight's taking 720 00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:07,840 place in Hollywood, Florida, so he was excited to be basically fighting in 721 00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:12,760 front of his adopted hometown. And it's you know, it's unfortunate because there's 722 00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:15,360 some good action in the cruiserweight division, whether it's Chris pillm Smith or obviously 723 00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:21,800 McKellan getting getting his business going. He got Lawrence o'coley trying to win another 724 00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:24,559 title this weekend over in Poland. Or I take that back, he's going 725 00:46:24,639 --> 00:46:28,880 up the bridgeweight. I guess to fight go Coley is Bridgeway. Yes, 726 00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:30,599 yeah, so he's not in the cruiserweight division anymore. But anyway, the 727 00:46:30,599 --> 00:46:34,440 point is it's just anytime you have a guy that's like a week out of 728 00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:37,239 a fight get an injury, especially when it would look like a pretty good 729 00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:40,280 fight on paper, certainly in terms of the adding depth and heft to the 730 00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:45,679 Broner and Cobbs undercard, you know, it's disappointing. So unfortunately mckellyan's injured 731 00:46:45,679 --> 00:46:49,599 and hopefully they'll reschedule it soon when he'll get better. All right, lots 732 00:46:49,639 --> 00:46:52,559 of news. Let's wrap it with some nostalgia. It was I remember this 733 00:46:52,639 --> 00:46:54,559 fight and I don't again. I keep saying this to you. I don't 734 00:46:54,559 --> 00:46:59,440 want to accept it was thirty one years ago Wednesday, May nineteen ninety three, 735 00:46:59,599 --> 00:47:05,480 royd Own became a world champion for the first time, defeating Bernard Hopkins 736 00:47:05,519 --> 00:47:10,760 to win the vacant IBF middleweight championship. Tell me more about what we remember 737 00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:15,559 about May twenty two, nineteen ninety three, and that night also included a 738 00:47:15,679 --> 00:47:21,519 Riddick Bow heavyweight title defense as part of it, but it's more known for 739 00:47:21,599 --> 00:47:24,320 the Hall of famers Jones and Hopkins obviously going on, well, I mean, 740 00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:28,599 the main event was Riddic bo He was the heavyweight champion of the world. 741 00:47:28,639 --> 00:47:31,039 His promoter, manager Rock Newman, was from the DC area. They 742 00:47:31,119 --> 00:47:37,199 brought the fight to the gigantic RFK Stadium, which was very, very big 743 00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:42,440 and obviously way too big and wasn't really even remotely needed to have this type 744 00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:45,119 of fight because it didn't draw that kind of crowd. But remember he had 745 00:47:45,159 --> 00:47:49,760 defeated Evander to become the undisputed champion. He had had a garbage defense in 746 00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:52,079 the first run against the old and completely shot Michael Doakes. This was his 747 00:47:52,119 --> 00:47:58,119 second defense against the Journeyman nine loss Jesse Ferguson. That was the main event 748 00:47:58,159 --> 00:48:00,239 of this card. This was the fight that seated his second fight, the 749 00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:05,679 fan Man fight against Holyfield. So this was the final title defense of Rick 750 00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:08,039 Bow that was successful against Jesse fergus and he wiped them out in the second 751 00:48:08,159 --> 00:48:13,199 round. And in the co feature on HBO that night was the fight between 752 00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:15,719 as you mentioned, Roy Jones, young Roy Jones against Bernard Hopkins, who 753 00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:20,480 were not stars not you know, Roy was known because of his exploits as 754 00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:23,000 a United States Olympian and all the controversy about that, but this was him 755 00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:28,719 having gotten to twenty one to zero and getting an opportunity to fight for the 756 00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:31,480 title. Bernard was not a well known guy, but was highly ranked and 757 00:48:31,559 --> 00:48:36,199 you know had you know, done a good job in his previous fights leading 758 00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:38,119 up to this, and they matched them together for the vacant IVF title. 759 00:48:38,159 --> 00:48:40,960 Now, unfortunately it turned out to be a stinkeroo as they say, not 760 00:48:42,039 --> 00:48:45,880 a good fight. Now it's much more exciting and interesting to talk about because 761 00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:51,280 of the magnitude of the careers that Roy and Bernard went on to have as 762 00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:53,400 rivals and as pound for pound guys and make a lot of history and win 763 00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:57,119 a lot of titles and have a lot of big time fights. But the 764 00:48:57,159 --> 00:49:00,159 action of their twelve rounds is entirely forgettable. Now, Roy had an injury 765 00:49:00,159 --> 00:49:04,440 in that going into that fight that was revealed later. He basically fought him 766 00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:07,880 with one hand, but he still won one sixteen to one to twelve, 767 00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:10,280 and all three scorecards. Nobody disputes the decision. And if you take a 768 00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:14,719 look at the overall career arc of Roy Jones, you have to consider this 769 00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:17,639 one of his best wins. You know, there's this win, there's the 770 00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:22,360 James Tony win, There's the Virgil Hill knockout, there's the John Ruiz fight. 771 00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:24,719 There's maybe the balls he showed in the first Antonio Tarbor fight. I 772 00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:29,159 mean, Roy's got good wins. Reggie Johnson by shutout, you know, 773 00:49:29,639 --> 00:49:34,599 you know, Loua del val to the unified titles, but Bernard and Tony, 774 00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:38,559 who are top notch Hall of Fame type of guys, Roy basically, 775 00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:40,719 you know, made him look like he didn't belong in the ring with him. 776 00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:43,639 And we all know that Bernard went on to become one of the all 777 00:49:43,639 --> 00:49:46,079 time greats and become undisputed the middleway champ, the lineal champion of the white 778 00:49:46,079 --> 00:49:51,280 heavyweight score a bunch of big upsets, and like I said, it's a 779 00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:53,639 lot more fun to talk about what these guys did after their matchup than actually 780 00:49:53,639 --> 00:49:58,239 go back and sit through the agonizing twelve rounds of their fight in Washington on 781 00:49:58,239 --> 00:50:00,320 that particular night. But it was a great win for Roy. It got 782 00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:02,559 in the title. And the other thing that it's interesting, it's not so 783 00:50:02,639 --> 00:50:07,280 much about the action of the fight itself, but this was the fight where 784 00:50:07,599 --> 00:50:13,800 Bernard Hopkins became a guy that was very, very involved in trying to pursue 785 00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:19,920 fair rights for fighters and was a big time supporter when the legislation was brought 786 00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:23,079 by John McCain, the late senator from Arizona, to try to pass the 787 00:50:23,159 --> 00:50:30,559 Muhammad Ali reformat. And the reason was because Bernard found out eventually that HBO 788 00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:34,599 had paid Butch Lewis, who was his promoter at the time, something like 789 00:50:34,719 --> 00:50:40,679 six hundred thousand dollars for their part of the pie like the fee that was 790 00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:45,360 paid, not the perps. The package, a package that went to the 791 00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:49,719 be Hops side was six hundred grand. And out of that six hundred thousand 792 00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:53,000 dollars, Now, remember promoters do not have a fiduciary duty to the fighter. 793 00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:57,519 The manager does, but not the promoter. So what Butch Lewis did 794 00:50:57,519 --> 00:51:00,440 on that night was out of that six hundred thousand dollars that he got from 795 00:51:00,519 --> 00:51:06,599 HBO, he paid Bernard Hopkins sixty thousand dollars. And when Bernard Hopkins found 796 00:51:06,599 --> 00:51:08,840 out, he went fucking ape shit wild, as he should have. He's 797 00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:14,360 lucky because he was lucky that Bernard couldn't find him the problem. That is 798 00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:16,719 correct, So what when the ali Act passed? Now there's a lot of 799 00:51:16,719 --> 00:51:21,480 problems with the ali AK because the enforcement of it is very poor, but 800 00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:24,880 there's still a requirement now, especially you know for the televised fights at least, 801 00:51:25,119 --> 00:51:29,800 that there has to be a disclosure to the boxer or his team, 802 00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:31,880 you know, the lawyer of the manager, whoever, yes, what the 803 00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:36,559 network paid for the fight. So if the ali Act was in forced on 804 00:51:36,599 --> 00:51:40,239 that night in nineteen ninety three, Bernard would have seen six hundred grand as 805 00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:44,960 as a cavalier as Butcher Lewis was, he wouldn't have had the balls to 806 00:51:45,039 --> 00:51:47,199 only give him sixty grand. The you know, the rightful portion would have 807 00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:52,360 been much much larger. And so when you think about the reforms that have 808 00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:54,239 happened in boxing, it's not perfect, but it's a lot better now than 809 00:51:54,239 --> 00:51:58,199 it was in nineteen ninety three. And one of the reasons is because Bernard 810 00:51:58,239 --> 00:52:01,199 got fucked so bad again Roy Jones, by his own promoter, Butch Lewis 811 00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:06,360 that it helped lead to the Muhammad Ali boxing and format. So while the 812 00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:10,519 fight itself was shit, the result of the legislation that was born, in 813 00:52:10,679 --> 00:52:17,000 large part by the in my opinion, just horrible for treatment that Bernard received 814 00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:22,639 from his promoter, you know, immoral treatment that helped make this which is 815 00:52:22,679 --> 00:52:27,400 one of the other reasons why historically this fight's important because of what it meant 816 00:52:27,519 --> 00:52:30,199 in terms of that legislation. Not that I'll step off my soapbox. The 817 00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:37,000 historical significance, I'll add is all over the place for Hall of Fame fighters 818 00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:39,880 and for what happened after that and the reform attempts that were made. So 819 00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:45,840 move forward from that night seventeen years to May twenty second, twenty ten, 820 00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:50,280 which again was fourteen years ago Wednesday, on May the twenty second, the 821 00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:57,800 final fight, epic fight between Raul Raphael Marquez and Israel Vasquez. That fight 822 00:52:57,960 --> 00:53:00,760 was held, and you've always talked about this, and we've talked about it 823 00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:05,880 several different times. They had obviously tremendous second and third fights, the fourth 824 00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:08,599 fight and for so much but first, but the second and third were both 825 00:53:08,719 --> 00:53:12,880 fights of the year, right, So this is the fourth and final fight 826 00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:15,159 that we're talking about on the anniversary the quartet, if you will, of 827 00:53:15,239 --> 00:53:21,000 Rafael Marquez Israel Baskets. All right, So the first fight that they had 828 00:53:21,679 --> 00:53:23,559 was the fight of the year, and then the second fight was later that 829 00:53:23,639 --> 00:53:27,360 year and it trump did it. So the only reason why fight number one 830 00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:29,679 was not the fight of the year was because both of them took place in 831 00:53:29,679 --> 00:53:32,280 two thousands and seven. Had they taken place in separate calendar years, they 832 00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:35,519 all they both would have been the fight of the year, but one was 833 00:53:35,559 --> 00:53:37,960 in March, and then the rematch in August of seven. The second fight 834 00:53:38,039 --> 00:53:40,320 was the fighter of the year, and then the third fight in two thousand 835 00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:42,800 and eight was the fight of the year. In two thousand and eight, 836 00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:46,039 so the second and third where the bona fide actual voted on and picked by 837 00:53:46,079 --> 00:53:50,519 the organization of the BWA. I think Ring Magazine certainly when I was working 838 00:53:50,519 --> 00:53:52,199 at ESPN, et cetera, as the fight of the year, and the 839 00:53:52,199 --> 00:53:54,559 first fight kind of got left out on the cold because it was a different 840 00:53:54,599 --> 00:53:58,400 calendar year. So then they fought a fourth time, and that's the one 841 00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:00,400 we disavow. It's sort of like the boxing equivalent of like Star Trek five. 842 00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:05,280 It do you just forget about it? Doesn't Court or Rocky five, 843 00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:07,679 by the way, and we could go on and on down the list. 844 00:54:07,679 --> 00:54:10,159 So Caddy Shack two should be disavowed as well while we're talking about those. 845 00:54:10,239 --> 00:54:14,239 Yes, great Grease two. I think Grease too probably as well, Yes, 846 00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:16,400 very nice so but theres so anyway, the anniversary is of the fourth 847 00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:19,880 fight, but I said, let's talk about it, even though the fourth 848 00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:23,079 fight stunk and really probably shouldn't have happened, but just as a celebration of 849 00:54:23,119 --> 00:54:29,639 this great rivalry between them. It was Israel Vasquez's final fight. He retired 850 00:54:29,679 --> 00:54:30,960 at the end because he was a little messed up and probably should have had 851 00:54:31,039 --> 00:54:36,119 the fourth fight he had the eye problem and everything. They ended the four 852 00:54:36,199 --> 00:54:42,000 fight series two wins apiece. But the first three are the ones that really 853 00:54:42,039 --> 00:54:45,639 were the big ones. They were all for WBC one hundred and twenty two 854 00:54:45,679 --> 00:54:49,199 pound titles. The third, the fourth fight, was a non title fight 855 00:54:49,760 --> 00:54:52,639 or for a regional title if you will, at the featherweight limit. It 856 00:54:52,719 --> 00:54:54,960 was at the Staples Center on showtime. Again, it probably should not have 857 00:54:54,960 --> 00:55:00,159 happened, but it did. And if you go back and watch any of 858 00:55:00,199 --> 00:55:05,519 their first three fights, they're absolutely spectacular. I mean, they are every 859 00:55:05,519 --> 00:55:09,119 bit as good as the Gaddy Ward fights and the Burn Morales fights and Patio 860 00:55:09,159 --> 00:55:14,239 Marquez fights. Obviously, Raphael Marquez is the younger brother of Juan Maanuel Marquez. 861 00:55:14,559 --> 00:55:17,960 Raphael Marquez was voted into the Hall of Fame based a lot on his 862 00:55:19,079 --> 00:55:22,480 exploits as a long ragning bantamweight champion, but also because of the exploits that 863 00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:29,360 he had in the fights against Israel Vasquez, where you know, again, 864 00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:32,400 they put on some of the greatest fights you'll ever want to see. But 865 00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:37,000 the fourth one was a disappointing fight, but it was a great celebration of 866 00:55:37,039 --> 00:55:42,880 the fantastic rivalry that these two men had love it so again May twenty second 867 00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:45,039 special for those two reasons. That was Wednesday Thursday, as we released the 868 00:55:45,039 --> 00:55:50,320 podcast into Friday. Thursday is May twenty third, and Marvin Hagler would have 869 00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:52,719 been seventy years old. I know, we talked about Sugar Ray Leonard's birthday 870 00:55:53,360 --> 00:56:00,800 off the weekend and the recap podcast and the Marvelous One would have earned seventy. 871 00:56:00,880 --> 00:56:05,880 We lost him a couple of years ago. Again, we could go 872 00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:08,119 on and on, and we did a little bit the other night too about 873 00:56:08,119 --> 00:56:14,519 what the Four Kings meant and about Hagler's place in history as menacing a middleweight 874 00:56:14,639 --> 00:56:17,360 champion as there has been in the modern ERAa of boxing. I don't think 875 00:56:17,360 --> 00:56:22,760 that's I think he's got to be either one or one A in terms of 876 00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:28,480 what Hagler did from late seventies through the mid eighties, Yes, including the 877 00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:34,440 epic fight obviously for all time with Tommy Hearns where he eventually survived that Hallatia's 878 00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:38,199 first round and not turns out it stole some more on Marvelous Marvin Hagler. 879 00:56:38,239 --> 00:56:43,159 Please. Well, I figured if we were going to have our discussion a 880 00:56:43,199 --> 00:56:46,000 couple of last podcasts on the birthday of the great Sugar and Leonard. How 881 00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:50,360 can we leave out the great Marvin Hagler, which is his birthday was not 882 00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:52,480 that long after well, like you mentioned, very sadly he passed in March 883 00:56:52,519 --> 00:56:57,199 of twenty twenty one. But I will say this, in my time of 884 00:56:57,760 --> 00:57:00,440 talking about boxing, thinking about boxing, writing about boxing, and meeting all 885 00:57:00,519 --> 00:57:05,440 kinds of people in the business, fans around the around the world, I'm 886 00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:09,760 not sure there's another fighter that is universally beloved as Marvin Hagler. And that 887 00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:15,519 because there's even Sugary Leonard and Muhammad Ali and you know some of the biggest 888 00:57:15,559 --> 00:57:17,800 names, the Manny Packs and Floyd Mayweathers and Mike Tyson's and you know, 889 00:57:17,840 --> 00:57:22,599 pick the guys. There's some people that don't love them, that that are 890 00:57:22,599 --> 00:57:24,639 not fans of. There is that that that for different reasons, have have 891 00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:29,679 a negative h point of view about them. You know, this guy was 892 00:57:29,679 --> 00:57:31,079 a pretty boy, this guy duck this guy, this guy didn't fight this 893 00:57:31,119 --> 00:57:34,559 guy, this guy, you know, got arrested, this guy did this, 894 00:57:34,559 --> 00:57:37,639 this guy was on drugs. Whatever it was like they they looked down 895 00:57:37,639 --> 00:57:42,679 about certain aspects with Hagler, It's almost universal I've never met a person in 896 00:57:42,719 --> 00:57:47,039 the business, a fan, another journalist who did not have anything but massive 897 00:57:47,079 --> 00:57:52,760 respect and love for marvelous Marvin Hagler. He fought everybody, He made great 898 00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:54,840 fights. You know, he wore his kind of his heart on his sleeve, 899 00:57:54,920 --> 00:57:59,719 so to speak. Never dodged anybody, came up the hard way, 900 00:57:59,840 --> 00:58:01,840 or earned everything. He got, no and handed him anything, you know, 901 00:58:02,079 --> 00:58:06,280 basically fought his way out of the Philadelphia. You know, he was 902 00:58:06,280 --> 00:58:08,280 not from Philly, but he made his bones fighting in a lot of tough 903 00:58:08,280 --> 00:58:14,480 fights against a great middleweight group of contenders in Philadelphia in the nineteen seventies. 904 00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:16,440 A lot of people don't know this. He was born actually in New Jersey. 905 00:58:16,679 --> 00:58:21,519 Yes, they had eventually migrated to Brockton, Massachusetts. And you could 906 00:58:21,519 --> 00:58:23,199 get a lot of people on the trivia question that he wasn't born and bred 907 00:58:23,559 --> 00:58:27,440 in Massachusetts as a matter of fact. But where he made his bones as 908 00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:31,039 a boxer was in the fighting city of Philadelphia, where he fought everybody, 909 00:58:31,039 --> 00:58:35,599 and at the time it was a very stacked division and there was a lot 910 00:58:35,639 --> 00:58:38,440 of top quality talent there and he suffered you know, the draw here, 911 00:58:38,559 --> 00:58:42,440 the loss there, but he earned it. When he And the other thing 912 00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:45,199 is when he finally got to fight for the title the first time. This 913 00:58:45,360 --> 00:58:49,519 was in Las Vegas. This was actually on the undercart when Sugar Ray Leonard 914 00:58:49,519 --> 00:58:53,880 won the welter with Yeas Beneath. He fought against Anti Fermo in their first 915 00:58:53,880 --> 00:58:55,880 fight and he got a split draw, and a lot of people thought that 916 00:58:55,880 --> 00:58:59,360 Marvin got a robed that night. This was at the time when at the 917 00:58:59,360 --> 00:59:01,880 Furmo was the WBA and the WBC champion, which at that time was the 918 00:59:01,920 --> 00:59:07,320 undisputed title. This is in nineteen seventy nine. Did get raeb Howard Cosell 919 00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:09,880 went crazy that night on the under cart of that fight because he was scoring 920 00:59:09,920 --> 00:59:14,800 it along while he was calling it terrible decision. Marvin dominated the fight and 921 00:59:14,920 --> 00:59:17,920 Afermo bled all over the place the second half of the fight, and they 922 00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:22,199 robbed him, and so I think Marvin became a little more sympathetic and then 923 00:59:22,239 --> 00:59:27,519 he eventually became the champ and then he just broke people in half and broke 924 00:59:27,599 --> 00:59:30,480 him down. With the exception of Duran, you could not stand up to 925 00:59:30,559 --> 00:59:34,480 Marvin Hagler in the eighties. But the other thing about it was when he 926 00:59:34,519 --> 00:59:37,360 got the draw and didn't get the title and they didn't get an immediate rematch. 927 00:59:37,400 --> 00:59:42,920 Antefero ended up losing the title to Alan Minter, the fighter from the 928 00:59:43,039 --> 00:59:46,480 UK. And when Hagler finally got another shot, this is about a year 929 00:59:46,559 --> 00:59:50,639 later. It's like ten months later. He got another shot at the Center, 930 00:59:50,679 --> 00:59:52,519 but he fought three times in between there like as you say, let's 931 00:59:52,519 --> 00:59:57,679 hear it for activity back in those days. So Marvin went to England to 932 00:59:57,760 --> 01:00:01,039 fight him at the Wembley Arena right across from the Big Stadium where I was 933 01:00:01,079 --> 01:00:05,679 there when they had the wigh in for Anthony Joshua and clitchco. But they 934 01:00:05,679 --> 01:00:09,719 fought in that building and Marvin completely dominated, beat him up, cut him 935 01:00:09,800 --> 01:00:14,239 up and won by a third round knock. I remember watching that fight live 936 01:00:14,280 --> 01:00:16,320 and it's known more for what you were about to talk about next. Yeah, 937 01:00:16,360 --> 01:00:20,679 So he never one of the things that drove Hagler, that stuck in 938 01:00:20,719 --> 01:00:23,880 his craw as they say, and became like a big thing. That again 939 01:00:23,880 --> 01:00:29,119 I say he wore his emotions on his sleeve. Is he never got to 940 01:00:29,119 --> 01:00:31,599 be announced as the winner of the title and anybody hand them the championship belts 941 01:00:31,639 --> 01:00:37,400 in the ring because the lunatic fans in England in London that day started pelting 942 01:00:37,400 --> 01:00:39,760 the ring with beer bottles and debris, upset about the stoppage, which was 943 01:00:39,800 --> 01:00:44,280 a perfectly fine stoppage, and they had to like basically rush him out. 944 01:00:44,280 --> 01:00:47,039 And as I've heard Hagler talk about in interviews, you know, they made 945 01:00:47,079 --> 01:00:50,599 it seem like we did something wrong, like we were criminals and we had 946 01:00:50,599 --> 01:00:52,280 to like run and hide, even though they had done nothing other than have 947 01:00:52,360 --> 01:00:55,679 Marvin Hagler go in the ring and beat up their guy and win the title. 948 01:00:57,639 --> 01:01:00,000 So when he did that, he got developed. When he came back 949 01:01:00,880 --> 01:01:02,360 and he fought, you know, in front of a home crowd in Boston 950 01:01:02,559 --> 01:01:07,320 and started putting one defense after another together and went through like you said, 951 01:01:07,320 --> 01:01:10,360 where he was breaking guys apart. HBO at that time was becoming a major 952 01:01:10,360 --> 01:01:15,840 player. They gravitated towards Tagler. He signed with HBO. It became his 953 01:01:15,880 --> 01:01:19,079 home. He did most of his biggest fights on HBO, including as you 954 01:01:19,119 --> 01:01:21,880 mentioned, the Roberto Duran fight. Obviously the Hearns fight that was a close 955 01:01:21,960 --> 01:01:24,719 circuit, but they had the rights to it. I recently actually just watched 956 01:01:24,840 --> 01:01:28,840 which I hadn't watched a long time. Just for fun, I saw come 957 01:01:28,920 --> 01:01:32,760 up on my YouTube suggestions. I watched him beating up one the Mingo Rall 958 01:01:32,840 --> 01:01:36,239 Dan yep, and in a fight. There was a couple of fights before 959 01:01:36,239 --> 01:01:39,159 the Hearns fight that was actually where Marvin, in the first round suffered what 960 01:01:39,239 --> 01:01:43,079 is the only official knockdown of his career. But it was a slip. 961 01:01:43,280 --> 01:01:45,159 He got pushed. It was kind of a bullshit knockdown, but you know, 962 01:01:45,239 --> 01:01:49,159 he was all pissed off about that, but he ended up beating roll 963 01:01:49,239 --> 01:01:51,280 Dan up and stopping him in the tenth round. I mean, this is 964 01:01:51,280 --> 01:01:53,639 a guy who fought everybody, and even up to the last time when he 965 01:01:53,679 --> 01:01:57,920 fought mcgabi, when he was near the end, he still gutted out a 966 01:01:58,599 --> 01:02:00,920 very very tough win and stopped him. And it was only when he was 967 01:02:00,920 --> 01:02:05,960 basically all done, I shouldn't say all done, but done enough that Sugar 968 01:02:06,039 --> 01:02:08,760 Ray Leonard finally decided to end his long retirement and come out and fight him. 969 01:02:08,840 --> 01:02:12,800 And even on that night, a lot of people felt that Marvin defeated 970 01:02:12,800 --> 01:02:15,960 Sugar Ray Leonard. But this is a man who had a spectacular career, 971 01:02:15,239 --> 01:02:19,719 automatic first ballot Hall of Famer. I think I've said this on the show 972 01:02:19,719 --> 01:02:23,000 before. One of my greatest times I ever had in my career was when 973 01:02:23,280 --> 01:02:28,039 I was out in Las Vegas with my boy Brian Kenny from ESPN and we 974 01:02:28,039 --> 01:02:34,519 were covering the Winkie Right Bernard Hopkins fight for Sports Center. They actually hired 975 01:02:34,559 --> 01:02:37,199 Marvin to come out to Vegas and spend a couple days with us to be 976 01:02:37,239 --> 01:02:40,280 our guest analyst. Bernard was a huge fan of Hagler. Hagler was a 977 01:02:40,320 --> 01:02:44,159 big fan of Hopkins. They had a lot in common in their background and 978 01:02:44,239 --> 01:02:45,559 you know, coming up the hard way. So I got a chance to 979 01:02:45,679 --> 01:02:49,039 like hang out with Hagler for a couple of days and sit with him in 980 01:02:49,039 --> 01:02:52,320 the arena and have lunch with him and just hear some stories. He was 981 01:02:52,360 --> 01:02:57,199 a great guy, friendly, good sense of humor, kind of dry sense 982 01:02:57,199 --> 01:03:00,239 of humor. But just what my own regret is, I didn't get a 983 01:03:00,280 --> 01:03:04,639 picture with Hagler. I didn't get an autograph from Hagler. But we had 984 01:03:04,679 --> 01:03:08,360 a fucking blast and never heard your memories. And again he retired what at 985 01:03:08,440 --> 01:03:15,000 thirty three years of age thirty two I think, and he he never fought 986 01:03:15,039 --> 01:03:17,559 again after that night with Sugar Ray Leonard, which was surprising to me at 987 01:03:17,599 --> 01:03:21,119 the time as a fight fan, as a teenager, that we never saw 988 01:03:21,159 --> 01:03:23,239 Marvin Hagler again after that lost to Ray Leonard in April of eighty seven. 989 01:03:24,119 --> 01:03:29,559 But we have to say this, I know I repeatedly say this for all 990 01:03:29,559 --> 01:03:31,320 of the gen Zers, for all the sub thirty year olds, and again, 991 01:03:31,360 --> 01:03:36,719 think boxing began in two thousand and nine. Marvin Hagler was as menacing 992 01:03:36,760 --> 01:03:42,039 as any fighter before Mike Tyson. He was as menacing as any fighter in 993 01:03:42,440 --> 01:03:45,280 the eighties, let's say, the seventies, the eighties before Tyson came along. 994 01:03:45,320 --> 01:03:46,800 All right, I love doing this with you, and then we got 995 01:03:46,800 --> 01:03:52,719 to get out of here in just a second. Hagler in his prime or 996 01:03:52,239 --> 01:03:59,280 Canelo Alvarez fighting at middleweight. Who would you take Canelo in the modern day 997 01:03:59,360 --> 01:04:01,840 or Marvin in his prime. I mean, I think everybody knows that I'm 998 01:04:01,840 --> 01:04:04,800 a big Mchinelo Alvarest fan, and I have nothing but love for Canelo, 999 01:04:05,239 --> 01:04:10,039 but no disrespect to my man. That's not really even a fight. In 1000 01:04:10,039 --> 01:04:13,320 my opinion. I think Hagler beats him down. Hagler walks him down and 1001 01:04:13,320 --> 01:04:18,440 beats him down. Marvin Hagler, go back to Sugar Ray Robinson. Sugar 1002 01:04:18,519 --> 01:04:21,239 Ray Robinson, who had overall one hundred wins in his career, all those 1003 01:04:21,239 --> 01:04:26,239 world title wins, fought a bunches of middleweight Sugar Ray with the skills, 1004 01:04:26,360 --> 01:04:30,760 the artistry. We're talking Sugar Ray Robinson, not Sugar Ray Leonard. I 1005 01:04:30,800 --> 01:04:33,519 love these all time hypotheticals. You're still taking Marvin. Marvin breaks him down, 1006 01:04:33,880 --> 01:04:38,199 corners, body body work and then knocks him out. I don't I 1007 01:04:38,199 --> 01:04:41,239 don't forrob't know about that. I mean, I'm no expert on on on 1008 01:04:41,320 --> 01:04:45,000 the on the well, the welterweight version of Sugar Robinson, the videos just 1009 01:04:45,000 --> 01:04:47,320 don't exist. The middleweight version of Ray Robinson. There's plenty of videos to 1010 01:04:47,360 --> 01:04:50,360 look at, uh, you know, and I guess I would. I 1011 01:04:50,360 --> 01:04:54,639 would defer to some of the people that know a lot more than I that 1012 01:04:54,800 --> 01:04:59,079 regard Sugar Ray Robinson as the greatest fighter whoever lived period, that as great 1013 01:04:59,079 --> 01:05:01,320 as Marvin Hagler is, he lost to Sugar Ray Learner. Even as an 1014 01:05:01,360 --> 01:05:03,920 older fighter, I always thought that Ray won that fight, despite my love 1015 01:05:03,960 --> 01:05:08,639 for Hagler, even though I have love for Ray also, It'd be hard 1016 01:05:08,639 --> 01:05:12,159 to pick, uh, against Sugar and Robinson when he was in a prime 1017 01:05:12,199 --> 01:05:14,760 in his middleweight titled I don't know that. I don't know that Hagler didn't 1018 01:05:14,760 --> 01:05:17,000 win that fight. I don't know. I mean he again with the Yere's, 1019 01:05:17,079 --> 01:05:19,239 but I would have This is the butt I would have loved to see. 1020 01:05:19,360 --> 01:05:21,639 And I'm not I'm not saying that I think. I'm not. I 1021 01:05:21,679 --> 01:05:24,599 don't know who I think would win. I'd have to think about it. 1022 01:05:25,039 --> 01:05:28,079 But just from an action point of view, from a chin point of view, 1023 01:05:28,239 --> 01:05:30,360 from a hard punching point of view, from a desire point of view, 1024 01:05:30,559 --> 01:05:34,039 how about fucking Hagler and Galovekin. That's the fight. Oh yeah, 1025 01:05:34,760 --> 01:05:39,800 that's okay. And I think I take Hagler in that fight too. Maybe 1026 01:05:39,840 --> 01:05:42,559 I'm just biased because I'm a child at the age I don't it's okay. 1027 01:05:43,000 --> 01:05:46,440 Uh So Marvin again, rip to Marvin Hagler, who would have been seventy. 1028 01:05:46,599 --> 01:05:49,960 Man, We've had a busy show. Once again, we mention you 1029 01:05:50,000 --> 01:05:54,679 and I will do this on the bet Us Boxing Show Live on their platforms 1030 01:05:55,199 --> 01:06:00,920 one Eastern time on Friday. Look forward to that and what happens here with 1031 01:06:00,000 --> 01:06:04,239 the Taylor Catterall rematch. The Christian Mobili Fight. We're back to recap it 1032 01:06:04,320 --> 01:06:09,400 off the weekend on the Fight Preach Unit Recap podcast. Looking forward to that. 1033 01:06:09,440 --> 01:06:12,079 Other than that, my friend, have a great weekend. Let's watch 1034 01:06:12,159 --> 01:06:15,280 the action. I'll see you on the bet US show and then let's see 1035 01:06:15,280 --> 01:06:17,159 if we get some great fights to recap on this podcast. Peat Dan Raphaeld. 1036 01:06:17,639 --> 01:06:19,679 That sounds good. I will see you on the show. All right, 1037 01:06:20,400 --> 01:06:24,239 that's coming one Eastern time on Friday. Depending on when you're hearing us, 1038 01:06:24,239 --> 01:06:27,639 make sure you're following and subscribing on this podcast feed. As we preview 1039 01:06:27,719 --> 01:06:30,239 going into the weekend, we recap off the weekend. It is the big 1040 01:06:30,360 --> 01:06:34,559 Fight weekend preview podcast for Dan Rayfield. I'm TJ Reeves. Enjoy the fights.